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1 [00:00:14] <annadane> maybe if you play the rock too loudly
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4 [00:00:36] <davide1> touché
5 [00:01:00] <annadane> i forgot to mention the fact that bug report actually has a fix which you can probably apply yourself, i think it's message #14
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7 [00:01:39] <davide1> yeah i saw that but i'll just wait for the update
8 [00:01:40] <davide1> thanks
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87 [00:49:09] <annadane> davide1, sorry, math is REALLY hard. make that, like, 3 hours from now
88 [00:49:56] <annadane> (it's 6:49 pm my time, if it starts at 9 it should finish around 9:50 or 10)
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91 [00:50:11] <annadane> plus whatever mirror adjustments
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97 [00:52:05] <annadane> except the time just changed. which i forgot about, again, forget it, i give up
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107 [00:54:50] <glassresistor> im on debian stretch using gnome3 and having issues where i can see the lid close event in /proc/apci and it changes from open->close->open but its not respecting my logind.conf file and locking
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113 [00:56:29] <glassresistor> i've set HandleLidSwitch=lock and it doesn't lock but when i restart logind it my screen blanks, it works fine after restart though
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141 [01:11:46] <hanasaki> thoughts on diagnosing why the gnome screen saver/lock doesn't kick in?
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159 [01:24:41] <kale> how do i open a staroffice document in libreoffice?
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173 [01:29:47] <Epx998> I got a sendmail bug with 8.12 - sendmail fails in test due to owners of /var/run/sendmail - does this get fixed in 8.15?
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180 [01:33:10] <Epx998> hmm guess these are using 8.15
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260 [02:22:01] <__m4ch1n3__> huhu! I am confused is xman actually like man?
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262 [02:22:40] <__m4ch1n3__> can i give it a command name as option and open its manual on init?
263 [02:23:18] <__m4ch1n3__> looks like there is only a -helpfile option
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268 [02:27:43] <en1gma> i have an older celeron 2.53ghz with 256mb ram. im getting ready to install the 32bit live version. is there a way i can do a cli setup and not even mess with gui at all?
269 [02:28:05] <en1gma> if i make it persistent on a usb stick
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271 [02:29:00] <__m4ch1n3__> life version is the opposite of an installation :3
272 [02:29:11] <__m4ch1n3__> *live
273 [02:29:55] <kale> en1gma: just download the minimal install iso
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275 [02:31:55] <__m4ch1n3__> yes you can also prevent x startup with an boot option, think the option was "text" but not 100% sure
276 [02:31:56] <phogg> __m4ch1n3__: run it without options and start clicking. Welcome to the cutting edge of pre-GNOME X.
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278 [02:33:09] <__m4ch1n3__> phogg, :3 thats not what i want
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280 [02:34:07] <__m4ch1n3__> or how do I enable man mousewheel scrolling in xterm
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286 [02:37:41] <en1gma> crap just downloaded devian live regular and am already installing it to usb stick
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289 [02:38:26] <en1gma> so at boot screen i guess is where i will enter "text". maybe i will try and boot up all the way to see if it will even run at all
290 [02:38:59] <en1gma> if i can make it persistent so it will boot to console every reboot that would be great as then i could just ssh over wifi to it and it could be headless
291 [02:39:23] <en1gma> trying to boot debian live
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294 [02:42:17] <__m4ch1n3__> what do you mean with "installing it to usb stick"
295 [02:43:14] <__m4ch1n3__> do you flash the iso on the usbdrive or do you run the installation with usbdrive as installation target?
296 [02:43:36] <en1gma> using startup creator in ubuntu
297 [02:44:12] <en1gma> i would like the usb drive to be more like a real install of debian
298 [02:44:18] <__m4ch1n3__> debian isos are hybrid isos, the ubuntu creator will produce some notworking shit for sure
299 [02:44:22] <en1gma> instead of playing around with persistent
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302 [02:45:06] <__m4ch1n3__> dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX
303 [02:45:26] <__m4ch1n3__> notice of has no number at the end
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306 [02:45:48] <__m4ch1n3__> if usb is sda eg then /dev/sda
307 [02:45:57] <__m4ch1n3__> not /dev/sda1
308 [02:46:05] <en1gma> while sda is mounted or do i need to unmount first
309 [02:46:35] <en1gma> ok will do that now. 1 min
310 [02:46:50] <__m4ch1n3__> ehm not sure, try it it will fail instantly or work
311 [02:47:25] <__m4ch1n3__> btw you cant mount /dev/sda
312 [02:47:33] <__m4ch1n3__> only partitions on it
313 [02:47:43] <en1gma> yea but /dev/sda1 is mounted right now
314 [02:47:45] <__m4ch1n3__> /dev/sda1 e.g
315 [02:48:00] <__m4ch1n3__> then unmount it
316 [02:48:10] <en1gma> k 1 sec
317 [02:48:35] <__m4ch1n3__> it will destroy all data and partitions on it
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324 [02:50:44] <__m4ch1n3__> there will be "persistent" option in live, think its not longer supported
325 [02:50:49] <en1gma> you sure of=/dev/sdb1 and not /dev/sdb
326 [02:51:06] <en1gma> so what is best way to "install" to usb flash
327 [02:51:08] <__m4ch1n3__> <__m4ch1n3__> notice of has no number at the end
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329 [02:51:24] <__m4ch1n3__> NO NUMBER AT THE END
330 [02:51:36] <__m4ch1n3__> for of=
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333 [02:51:58] <en1gma> crap
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335 [02:52:25] <en1gma> lol. im good with gparted anyhow. :)
336 [02:52:36] <__m4ch1n3__> it flashes the iso with partition table on the drive, this also means that drive will be not writable, except you del. the partions
337 [02:52:54] <__m4ch1n3__> so no persitence
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347 [02:56:54] <en1gma> 'sudo dd if=debian-live-9.5.0-i386-xfce.iso of=/dev/sdb'
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349 [02:57:08] <__m4ch1n3__> the usb-startup-creator stuff is obsolet
350 [02:57:23] <en1gma> yea but you know what it boots fine. so onto the real problem
351 [02:57:43] <en1gma> how do i stop gui upon boot if i were to tell the box to reboot and start ssh
352 [02:57:46] <fassl> change block size for speeeed
353 [02:57:52] <__m4ch1n3__> not sure if it works or if you need absolut path to iso
354 [02:58:02] <en1gma> persistent os some tricky way to "install-usb"
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356 [02:58:27] <en1gma> block size? example?
357 [02:58:34] <__m4ch1n3__> bs=1M
358 [02:58:44] <en1gma> installing to old sandisk cruizer 8gb
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360 [02:59:03] <__m4ch1n3__> dd if=/bla of=/bla bs=1M
361 [02:59:06] <en1gma> 'sudo dd if=debian-live-9.5.0-i386-xfce.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M' ?
362 [02:59:16] <en1gma> ok
363 [02:59:38] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe you should make iso path absolute
364 [03:00:00] <__m4ch1n3__> /full/path/file.iso
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366 [03:00:43] <__m4ch1n3__> there is no output while dd runs and it will take some time
367 [03:00:54] <fassl> and sync afterwards before you plug it
368 [03:01:00] <fassl> *unplug
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370 [03:02:00] <en1gma> ok now doing 'sudo dd if=debian-live-9.5.0-i386-xfce.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M'
371 [03:02:31] <en1gma> sync is unmounting?
372 [03:03:28] <fassl> it shouldnt be mounted, i meant type and execute "sync" after dd
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376 [03:04:20] <__m4ch1n3__> no its waiting till all buffered data is physically written to drive
377 [03:04:39] <en1gma> ok cool. still writing
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380 [03:05:01] <__m4ch1n3__> it makes sure you dont remove it to early
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386 [03:05:31] <en1gma> i found a good guide i been using to make persistent installs but i would rather have one to install minimal to a usb stick
387 [03:05:43] <en1gma> as a real hdd/ssd
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389 [03:05:58] <__m4ch1n3__> persistan bootable usb was 2012
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391 [03:06:10] <en1gma> but if persistence works and it can somehow boot me to console every boot that will be just as good
392 [03:06:25] <en1gma> this box im playing with is from 2005
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395 [03:06:28] <en1gma> 2006*
396 [03:06:32] <en1gma> lol
397 [03:06:35] <__m4ch1n3__> you can make a install with target usbdrive, but its not good idea
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403 [03:07:07] <en1gma> so i can use this debian live usb (that we working on right now) to install to another usb stick?
404 [03:07:36] <en1gma> gonna try and boot with it and see what happens
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409 [03:08:59] <__m4ch1n3__> you could yes, but the system will stuck/freez periodically for seconds because of slow usb read/write
410 [03:10:25] <__m4ch1n3__> working on system like that is like chinese water torture
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417 [03:11:44] <__m4ch1n3__> think usbsticks have no own controller, external usb-drive e.g has a controller
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419 [03:13:59] <en1gma> wow
420 [03:14:22] <en1gma> thats the fist distro today that i could actually do something on the desktop and not wait 20mins for a response
421 [03:14:45] <en1gma> ok so yep this is the disto i want. it didnt see my linksys usb wifi adapter
422 [03:15:15] <en1gma> ok so you think it will install to another usb stick?
423 [03:15:18] <en1gma> gonna try it
424 [03:16:05] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmmm .... for a very thin debian server 256ram may be o.k
425 [03:16:24] <__m4ch1n3__> but there are other lowendbox linuxes
426 [03:16:25] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
427 [03:16:45] <__m4ch1n3__> the system/iso is 70mb
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432 [03:17:26] <__m4ch1n3__> you could mybe boot it with toram option, but not sure, 256mb ram is prehistoric
433 [03:17:54] <__m4ch1n3__> did you rob a computer museum?
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435 [03:18:42] <__m4ch1n3__> 70mb and it has a desktop enviroment
436 [03:18:43] <en1gma> im basically wanting to use the box for some rtlsdr receivers so what they do is use alot of data on usb port and want to stream that over tcp/ip wirelessly.
437 [03:19:14] <en1gma> i would like to be able to use 3 or for rtlsdr devices but dont think the usb 2.0 spec will hold up to that many although it does on the rpi3
438 [03:19:34] <__m4ch1n3__> for a router box it should be enough, but then dont install a desktop on it
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443 [03:20:21] <en1gma> gonna try and use the "graphical installer"
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449 [03:21:01] <__m4ch1n3__> whole shitload on desktop daemons is loaded before X starts, so it will slowdown the machine if you dont start desktop too
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454 [03:22:46] <__m4ch1n3__> *desktop enviroment daemons
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462 [03:24:01] <en1gma> that gave me error. trying "debian installer"
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465 [03:24:38] <__m4ch1n3__> look at specifications replaced-url
466 [03:25:01] <__m4ch1n3__> this thing costs 10$ and will run better then your machine propably
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468 [03:25:14] <__m4ch1n3__> has twice the ram of your
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471 [03:25:46] <en1gma> gonna try and find my missing firmware "rt2870.bin"
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474 [03:28:13] <__m4ch1n3__> look under the sofa :§
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476 [03:28:32] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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483 [03:31:19] <__m4ch1n3__> apt-cache search rt2870
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485 [03:32:05] <__m4ch1n3__> wonder why it return firmware-misc-nonfree and not firmware-realtek
486 [03:32:06] <rant> it'll be in the last place you look
487 [03:32:17] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
488 [03:32:18] <bleb> so the debian installer asked me if i want to install some firmware for my wifi card from a cd
489 [03:32:24] <bleb> where would i find that firmware?
490 [03:32:44] <rant> bleb: are you using a thumbdrive or such to install?
491 [03:32:51] <__m4ch1n3__> in the contrib and non-free repository
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493 [03:33:06] <bleb> rant: yes
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495 [03:33:23] <rant> bleb: are you able to download a new image and re-write the drive?
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497 [03:34:21] <bleb> yeah i could
498 [03:34:23] <rant> replaced-url
499 [03:34:23] <bleb> i just put on debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
500 [03:34:37] <rant> ah..
501 [03:34:51] <rant> replaced-url
502 [03:34:57] <bleb> is DVD-1 relatively self-contained?
503 [03:35:01] <__m4ch1n3__> netinst withou wlan firmware :D
504 [03:35:24] <rant> you can use either.. the netinst is like 300MB and the DVD1 is like 3GB
505 [03:35:32] <rant> but both have the firmware on it already
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508 [03:36:09] <rant> best to use those if planning to install over wifi
509 [03:36:49] <__m4ch1n3__> but netisnt need to dl it from non-free first or? so it will only work if you have another iface that can connect internet without nonfree firmware
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511 [03:37:06] <rant> those images already have the firmware on them
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513 [03:37:29] <__m4ch1n3__> netinstall image has non-free firmware on it?
514 [03:37:33] <rant> it will work in the installer and install the firmware onto the system so it'll be ready to go
515 [03:37:43] <rant> the one I posted does
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517 [03:38:04] <bleb> thanks this is a big help
518 [03:38:15] <__m4ch1n3__> oh shit did not see that cuz of linewrapping
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521 [03:38:35] <__m4ch1n3__> yes the unofficial-netinst
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523 [03:38:57] <rant> the officially unofficial
524 [03:38:59] <rant> heh
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526 [03:39:51] <rant> its reversible, can be worn either way.. and is proven to make you look 10% cooler
527 [03:40:47] <__m4ch1n3__> that would make me 110% cool
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530 [03:42:22] <rant> yeah but it makes you 120% less cool for pointing it out so..
531 [03:42:33] <__m4ch1n3__> ath9k_htc firmware is opensource and free but its bundled in non-free firmware-atheros pkg
532 [03:42:52] <__m4ch1n3__> with other non-free firmware
533 [03:43:33] <Alisanta> replaced-url
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553 [03:53:46] <en1gma> installing to the usb stick. had to get wired lan since it didnt recognize my wifi adapter
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558 [03:56:41] <bleb> it recognizes mine but theres no option for username/password login
559 [03:56:54] <bleb> or web-portal login
560 [03:57:02] <bleb> which are the only ways i can get wifi here
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568 [04:02:24] <allorder> +
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572 [04:08:09] <bleb> i have an ethernet connection which _might_ work
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574 [04:08:42] <bleb> but when i select ftp.us.debian.org it says "bad archive mirror"
575 [04:08:51] <bleb> does this mean my ethernet connection indeed does not work?
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580 [04:10:41] <fryguy> what's the current recommended way of installing grub or another bootloader for purposes of booting on KVM? I'm running into some issues using grub2/gpt on a single partition disk, and not sure if I should just be going straight to UEFI or trying other things
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591 [04:18:37] <en1gma> only at 40% installing to usb stick
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608 [04:27:57] <fassl> fryguy, what issues?
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610 [04:28:35] <fryguy> currently, in seabios, hangs at "Booting from hard disk"
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612 [04:28:54] <fryguy> after doing a pretty basic debootstrap + install grub2 + grub-install
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614 [04:31:49] <fryguy> so i'm missing something, but i'm not sure what, and it hanging without any further output isn't giving me much more information to go on.
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618 [04:36:25] <k3g> I'm having an issue where my wireless interface seems to bind to a user. If my (nonroot) second account logs in first, the interface is then unavailable to my main account, no matter how I ifup ifdown or ip link set it.
619 [04:36:34] <fassl> can you take a look at the seabios debug info if its stuck there replaced-url
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621 [04:36:51] <k3g> From what I've googled, removing the permissions in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections ought to sort it out, but this file looks to be correct
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625 [04:39:32] <fassl> or maybe just try to change from sata or ide to scsi or vice versa
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638 [04:45:37] <ChmEarl> fryguy, does the single partition really have a gpt label?
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642 [04:46:01] <ChmEarl> fryguy, if it does, you need to add an ESP
643 [04:46:06] <fryguy> the partition was created via:
644 [04:46:07] <fryguy> parted $NBD mklabel GPT
645 [04:46:07] <fryguy> parted $NBD mkpart primary 0% 100%
646 [04:46:08] <fryguy> parted $NBD set 1 bios_grub on
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650 [04:48:42] <fryguy> so i either need to go back to MBR style, or go GPT + UEFI, can't really do anything "in between?"
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715 [05:50:30] <en1gma> the debian live install to usb stick is working ok accept i cant figure the best way to intercept the gui and get at a console with lan and wifi working
716 [05:50:55] <en1gma> if i tell the bootmanager to boot into "single" then it boots to console with almost nothing working
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718 [05:51:09] <en1gma> cant i boot to console with everything working except the GUI
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871 [08:51:39] <en1gma> debian live is not automatically connecting my wifi. can anyone tell me how to make this perm?
872 [08:52:16] <en1gma> i have to tell it ip link down then ip link up then tell it 'wpa_supplicant' the 'dhclient wlan0'
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874 [08:52:21] <en1gma> then it connects
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890 [09:02:57] <tsarompy> en1gma: enable it through systemd
891 [09:03:12] <tsarompy> then again, you prob dont have persistent storage eh
892 [09:03:29] <tsarompy> i used wpa_supp forever but im a firm wicd fan now
893 [09:04:12] <en1gma> i have persistent storage working just cant figure out why i have to keep bringing iface up and down
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895 [09:04:27] <en1gma> and give it wpa_supplicant command and then dhclient
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899 [09:04:48] <en1gma> i made it to the gui and i even gave it a manual ip address so it dont even need dhclient
900 [09:05:17] <en1gma> you would think when you add the ssid in the gui network settings that it would save and autoconnect on reboot
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905 [09:08:46] <tsarompy> i think it does when you install
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908 [09:08:59] <tsarompy> i dunno though, i never use live stuff except to install
909 [09:09:36] <tsarompy> if you want to try wicd, its pretty great. it has an ncurses client (kinda like nmtui) and a gtk2 one with a systray
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911 [09:09:47] <en1gma> oh i couldnt do that because i didnt know how to use the rt2870.bin file i downloaded
912 [09:09:55] <tsarompy> what kind of card do you have
913 [09:10:04] <tsarompy> oh well you obviously have it working nevermind lol
914 [09:10:04] <en1gma> i put it on usb stick but i didnt mount it during driver needed in the install
915 [09:10:20] <en1gma> i have it working now just cant auto connect upon startup
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917 [09:10:42] <tsarompy> can you see if wpa_supp is running via systemctl
918 [09:11:27] <en1gma> im not to familiar with the exact commands. i been in networkctl a bit though
919 [09:11:36] <en1gma> systemctl list?
920 [09:11:37] <tsarompy> sudo systemctl status wpa_supplicant.service i believe
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922 [09:13:27] <en1gma> should i do it now when its connected or should i reboot it so its in a fresh state. i been tweaking it here in there
923 [09:13:33] <tsarompy> i think i had to encode my psk with wpa_passphrase and set it in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then systemctl enable wpa_supplicant.service then i added a tiny lil script in /etc/rc.d to start dhclient on boot
924 [09:13:46] <tsarompy> are your settings saving across reboots?
925 [09:13:53] <tsarompy> id hate for you to do a bunch of work then lose it
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927 [09:14:07] <en1gma> yes they are saving
928 [09:14:13] <tsarompy> honestly youd have an easier time using wicd or networkmanager lol
929 [09:14:18] <en1gma> i havent done anything perm to anything.
930 [09:14:25] <en1gma> wpa_supplicant.conf is set correct
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932 [09:14:44] <tsarompy> was the wpa service running when you checked it via systemctl?
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936 [09:14:59] <en1gma> i havent checked it yet because i think i should reboot. 1 sec
937 [09:15:15] <tsarompy> wait
938 [09:15:24] <tsarompy> check this out, this should point you in the right direction
939 [09:15:26] <tsarompy> replaced-url
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941 [09:15:37] <tsarompy> sounds like your wpa setup is fine, you just need to have it run dhclient on boot
942 [09:15:47] <tsarompy> that page will show you how to set it up wia /etc/network/interfaces
943 [09:15:51] <tsarompy> via*
944 [09:16:19] <tsarompy> but srsly, unless youre deadset on wpa_supp id use NM or wicd :P
945 [09:16:24] <en1gma> its booting now. gonna take a bit to get to the login screen. which is where i usually goto control-alt-f1
946 [09:16:39] <en1gma> everything is so quick in there compared to desktop gui
947 [09:17:05] <en1gma> can we do everything from a root enviroment on the cli
948 [09:17:09] <tsarompy> yz, my favorite environment is just tty with tmux
949 [09:17:22] <tsarompy> but i have KDE for when my lady needs the laptop :D
950 [09:17:39] <tsarompy> theres an awful system tray bug in kde on buster
951 [09:17:43] <tsarompy> damn tray keeps disappearing
952 [09:17:50] <en1gma> cool. i like it in there too. im usually on ubuntu but the only thing this old computer would boot on is debian live. nice minimal specs it has
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954 [09:18:24] <en1gma> i might have to check to see if there is a debian live for raspberry pi3 (i usually use that headless too)
955 [09:18:58] <en1gma> ok i see the login screen. note my usb wifi adapter has its blue light on so i know its kind of up already
956 [09:19:08] <en1gma> logging into a tty
957 [09:19:19] <tsarompy> you can run ps aux | grep dhclient to see if its running
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962 [09:20:23] <en1gma> k checking the ps aux command
963 [09:20:54] <en1gma> dhclient not running
964 [09:21:05] <en1gma> what was other command to check?
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968 [09:21:37] <en1gma> found it
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972 [09:22:29] <en1gma> wpa_supplicant is running and active
973 [09:23:13] <en1gma> if i were to give the command 'dhclient wlan0' it would not work
974 [09:23:35] <en1gma> it comes back with ping error and bytes failed or something
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978 [09:24:49] <en1gma> i was following this guide replaced-url
979 [09:25:14] <en1gma> im at the "to connect type the following command:"
980 [09:25:25] <en1gma> when i do those steps right there it connects
981 [09:25:50] <en1gma> the four sudo steps
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1018 [10:00:18] <en1gma> in debian where can i put these commands so it executes after startup >>>> replaced-url
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1020 [10:00:51] <tarzeau> en1gma: do you have debian stable? network-manager? using systemd for network setup?
1021 [10:01:14] * tarzeau remembers where he had S99autoexec.bat with good old sysv init...
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1025 [10:02:21] <en1gma> i installed debian live i386 xfce so i dont think it operates the same as network-manager per say
1026 [10:02:47] <en1gma> i installed to another usb stick but i think its acting like a full debian install
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1028 [10:02:56] <en1gma> everything is staying over boots
1029 [10:03:00] <fireba11> i386??
1030 [10:03:04] <en1gma> yeppers
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1034 [10:03:44] <fireba11> ah, pi3 ... there is a specialized debian for that afaik
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1049 [10:10:30] <tsarompy> sorry en1gma i got busy
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1051 [10:10:41] <tsarompy> were watchin movies tonight so im kinda doin a bunch of things at once
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1054 [10:13:34] <en1gma> its ok. still tinkering around
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1056 [10:14:14] <en1gma> im using the boot flag "single" so it boots me right to maint and i login root then give those same commands in link above and i get internet instantly
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1058 [10:14:20] <en1gma> replaced-url
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1073 [10:21:43] <tmroland> when is kernel 4.19 in sid?
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1077 [10:23:04] <n4dir> friday afternoon, 14:27.
1078 [10:24:31] <tmroland> great
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1080 [10:25:15] <tmroland> any way of safely migrating linux partitions from ssd 2 to ssd 1 ?
1081 [10:25:18] <tmroland> and being able to boot
1082 [10:25:21] <tmroland> norton ghost or something?
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1089 [10:29:24] <tmroland> guess clonezilla it is
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1099 [10:35:26] <smlb> Is php5.6-redis avalable only from backports on debian 9?
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1116 [10:46:25] <simbalion> Is it possible to specify for certain packages to never overwrite configurations when upgrading, without being prompted? In other words it should assume 'No'?
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1124 [10:48:58] <colo-work> for certain packages, I don't think so. for a specific invocation oft your apt tool of choice, it is.
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1127 [10:49:21] <colo-work> apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold ...
1128 [10:49:26] <colo-work> should work
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1132 [10:49:56] <simbalion> The problem is the webmin control panel seems to be retarded and defaults to 'Y'
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1134 [10:50:20] <simbalion> I was hoping there might be a way using dpkg to prevent webmin or any other third-party tools from doing that
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1136 [10:50:35] <colo-work> you can shorten that sentence to improve its accuracy: "the problem is the webmin"
1137 [10:50:46] <colo-work> you should be going to kill the webmin
1138 [10:50:52] <simbalion> webmin is software
1139 [10:50:58] <colo-work> I know :>
1140 [10:51:06] <colo-work> and it's very bad at what it does
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1142 [10:51:16] <simbalion> But killing webmin does not prevent other third party tools from exhibiting the same terrible behavior
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1144 [10:51:37] <simbalion> colo-work: It's the only free control panel that doesn't hijack the entire system with custom configurations
1145 [10:51:39] <colo-work> you could try placing a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ that enabled the option from above by default
1146 [10:51:48] <colo-work> all "control panels" are junk
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1148 [10:51:57] <simbalion> colo-work: I agree but I have customers who want them
1149 [10:52:06] <colo-work> you have my symapthies
1150 [10:52:14] <colo-work> replaced-url
1151 [10:52:18] <colo-work> maybe that helps
1152 [10:52:21] <simbalion> colo-work: can you point me to docs on how to use apt.conf.d? That might solve my problem
1153 [10:52:54] <simbalion> oh I've seen this dir, when setting up unattended upgrades
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1163 [10:58:19] <simbalion> perhaps I should just remove the package-updates module from webmin entirely
1164 [10:58:23] <simbalion> that'd solve this I think
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1220 [11:36:38] <luxpir> xrandr not detecting monitors on new install. on another drive in same machine it picks them up fine - same grub. nvidia related - have installed the mesa-utils and nvidia-driver and blacklisted nouveau, and rebooted a few times etc.
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1224 [11:37:34] <simbalion> I solved my problem, I'm disabling package-updates in webmin using it's built in ACLs. That way customers won't be able to break their system by using webmin to deploy updates. I update their systems nightly anyway so there's no reason for them to
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1230 [11:41:59] <luxpir> xrandr listproviders shows 3 monitors, but xrandr -q shows just the one
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1302 [12:32:06] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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1307 [12:34:56] <dury> sony vaio vgn-bz11en doesn't support latest stretch kernel only 3.16.x why is that?
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1315 [12:38:06] <dury> anyone any idea why?
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1318 [12:39:42] <dury> it has the issue about tpm
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1321 [12:40:43] <dury> all right guys be back later have to run
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1337 [12:54:24] <Analima> replaced-url
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1353 [13:00:31] <luxpir> anyone got multimonitor setup working in i3/nvidia/debian netinst recently? it works on my other system/drive with the same HW
1354 [13:00:34] <tsglove> Good morning all o/
1355 [13:00:54] <luxpir> have just updated the linux-image-amd64 so will check that now after a reboot
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1357 [13:01:05] <Analima> replaced-url
1358 [13:01:22] <luxpir> it worked. rubber ducked myself back to life
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1373 [13:07:01] <petn-randall> jelly, thanks, didn't want to click on there since I'm at $work.
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1392 [13:19:55] <jelly> petn-randall: I did not click either, but the pattern matches other A* bots with very recent NickServ accounts
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1573 [15:08:05] <linuxconformer> guys i've got docker running on a debian server (docker-compose up -d), but it keeps stopping. Time until stop can be several hours to a day or two
1574 [15:08:11] <linuxconformer> any ideas why this could be happening?
1575 [15:09:55] <tharkun> What is the package name for the linux kernel?
1576 [15:10:33] <colo-work> linux-image-$somearch
1577 [15:10:37] <tharkun> linuxconformer: logs?
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1579 [15:10:41] <tharkun> colo-work: Thx
1580 [15:10:52] <linuxconformer> tharkun: which logs should i look at?
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1583 [15:12:38] <tharkun> linuxconformer: start with syslog and move my way around. First with the container and then with the host. Then I would move to other logs and look for evidence there on what is breaking stuff.
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1611 [15:29:15] <rabalaco> Hello, how can I install an older version of tar? I need tar 1.28, I have PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid"
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1613 [15:29:30] <greycat> !snapshot
1614 [15:29:31] <dpkg> replaced-url
1615 [15:30:07] <rabalaco> so I pick it and manually "dpkg -i" ? what happens with the current one? 1.30
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1617 [15:30:38] <greycat> You can only have one "tar" package installed at a time, so it will replace the current one with the one you ask it to install.
1618 [15:30:50] <greycat> If this breaks anything, it's oin you.
1619 [15:30:53] <greycat> on*
1620 [15:31:25] <rabalaco> how to revert to normality?
1621 [15:32:53] <greycat> Probably "apt-get --reinstall install tar" would work.
1622 [15:33:19] <joepublic> What would be the effect of apt[-get|itude] upgrade?
1623 [15:33:24] <rabalaco> thx, I will consider this
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1634 [15:38:18] <inch> rabalaco: Perhaps you could use overlay fs and chroot or mount namespace to have older tar installed in a temporary directory. Then you could enter the mount namespace or chroot to overlay mount to use the old version of tar.
1635 [15:38:50] <greycat> That sounds like a lot of work. I wonder what the actual goal is. Is the newer version of tar broken in some way? Has a bug been filed?
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1640 [15:41:12] <inch> Easiest way would be to dpkg --extract tar*deb some/directory ; some/directory/bin/tar ... if it fits the use case.
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1658 [15:57:26] <rabalaco> inch thx, could be useful
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1698 [16:20:26] <lazerlemon> how do I in debian open the terminal
1699 [16:21:14] <inch> Press Alt-F2 and type x-terminal-emulator
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1702 [16:21:38] <inch> But that works only in some desktops.
1703 [16:21:43] <joepublic> if you are in a graphical environment with a menu, you might also find it under something like "system tools"
1704 [16:21:59] <lazerlemon> now it says windows help -mozilla firefox
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1706 [16:23:23] <lazerlemon> oh wait thats f1
1707 [16:23:29] <joepublic> we are having a context noun problem. "in debian" means "in some unspecified environment in debian", and saying what page you have loaded in firefox is in this instance noise, not information
1708 [16:23:33] <lazerlemon> f2 is renaming a folder
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1710 [16:24:32] <joepublic> likewise, what actions "f1" and "f2" are distractions from what Alt-F2 does, which hopefully will bring up a dialog to let you enter the name of a command, x-terminal-emulator
1711 [16:24:57] <lazerlemon> I mean alt+f2
1712 [16:25:07] <lazerlemon> it is asking me to rename a folder
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1715 [16:25:46] <joepublic> okay. if you have some sort of menu in one corner of the screen, try clicking it and looking for the system tools section.
1716 [16:26:28] <lazerlemon> I have system tools
1717 [16:26:42] <joepublic> In the system tools section, a terminal such as "xterm" or "uxterm" should be listed -- that will open you a terminal.
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1721 [16:26:53] <lazerlemon> nah I dont see that
1722 [16:27:11] <joepublic> lxterminal, mate terminal, konsole
1723 [16:27:22] <lazerlemon> I have activate windows, backup and restore, character map, disk cleanup
1724 [16:27:35] <lazerlemon> files and settings transfer wizard
1725 [16:27:38] <lazerlemon> security center
1726 [16:27:47] <lazerlemon> scheduled tasks
1727 [16:27:52] <lazerlemon> system information
1728 [16:27:56] <lazerlemon> and system restore
1729 [16:28:40] <joepublic> To be honest, that is not a very debian-sounding list. I am not sure my knowledge is up to the task. Hopefully someone else can help.
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1731 [16:29:43] <lazerlemon> WAIT
1732 [16:29:50] <lazerlemon> i think i see the icon
1733 [16:30:13] <lazerlemon> ok now theres a black window
1734 [16:33:17] <trysten> can someone remind me of the cheap way to make deb packages? I thought there was a sort of cheat that looks at the system and makes a deb from what you just installed
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1736 [16:34:06] <lazerlemon> my mom deb dont want no packages
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1738 [16:35:26] <joepublic> trysten, are you talking about checkinstall?
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1740 [16:36:39] <joepublic> if so, that's a pretty apt description.
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1742 [16:36:55] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: Are you sure you have Debian installed and not something else?
1743 [16:36:56] <lazerlemon> sudo apt get dscription
1744 [16:37:05] <lazerlemon> sudo apt get description*
1745 [16:37:17] <lazerlemon> definetley debian
1746 [16:37:39] * joepublic observes the "Don't feed the trolls" sign
1747 [16:37:55] <lazerlemon> please stop trolling joe
1748 [16:38:09] <lazerlemon> my mom dont want no packages
1749 [16:38:59] <lazerlemon> i found the console
1750 [16:39:35] <lazerlemon> what should I type
1751 [16:39:38] <lazerlemon> in it
1752 [16:40:26] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: You asked for the terminal. Glad you found it.
1753 [16:40:36] <lazerlemon> yep
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1763 [16:45:57] <lazerlemon> ok so now im confused to hell
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1767 [16:46:48] <lazerlemon> i guess i should not look at the dependancies and just opeen the file
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1771 [16:47:09] <lazerlemon> but I know the file is just a program that does nothing visual when clicked
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1773 [16:47:50] <lazerlemon> oh I just realized its a service as well as a program
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1776 [16:48:05] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: Do you have a support question?
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1780 [16:49:56] <lazerlemon> i have disabled the service to see if anything misbehaves
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1785 [16:50:48] <petn-randall> What is "the service"?
1786 [16:51:11] <lazerlemon> alg
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1788 [16:51:34] <lazerlemon> so I opned a bunch of programs with alg disabled and they run fine
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1790 [16:51:42] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: Where does this service come from?
1791 [16:51:50] <lazerlemon> also no dlgs
1792 [16:52:00] <joepublic> more info about alg: replaced-url
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1796 [16:52:05] <lazerlemon> so ima put it in L0
1797 [16:52:38] <lazerlemon> for now
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1799 [16:52:44] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: I don't think you're talking about Debian.
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1803 [16:53:24] <lazerlemon> arp.exe is defineTley L0
1804 [16:53:27] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: This also isn't a microblogging site, it's a IRC support channel. So unless you have an actual support question, keep it to the other channels.
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1808 [16:56:04] <lazerlemon> i am not blogging
1809 [16:56:07] <lazerlemon> lol wth
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1813 [16:56:17] <lazerlemon> I have a support question
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1821 [16:56:48] <lazerlemon> I opned the exe file in reshack, it contains no dialogs, I opned the exe file, a dialog appears
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1823 [16:56:59] <lazerlemon> so it is L1 OR L2
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1825 [16:57:10] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: Neither exe files nor reshack are part of Debian.
1826 [16:57:16] <lazerlemon> the question is, how do I find where the dialog is
1827 [16:57:19] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: What OS are you running?
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1834 [16:57:21] <lazerlemon> probably with grep
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1836 [16:57:47] <lazerlemon> debian, windows 10
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1838 [16:57:50] <lazerlemon> kubuntu
1839 [16:57:57] <lazerlemon> windows XP
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1841 [16:58:07] <lazerlemon> windows FLP
1842 [16:58:14] <lazerlemon> err I mean XP MCE
1843 [16:58:21] <annadane> ...
1844 [16:58:26] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: All of those are offtopic, except for Debian.
1845 [16:58:27] <annadane> stop everything
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1847 [16:58:29] <Fox> what is he talking about...
1848 [16:58:30] <lazerlemon> right
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1850 [16:58:36] <lazerlemon> ima look in grep
1851 [16:58:56] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: So unless you have a *DEBIAN* support question, you need to go to other channels.
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1853 [16:59:04] <lazerlemon> im in debian
1854 [16:59:09] <lazerlemon> using grep
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1856 [16:59:18] <jelly> !ask
1857 [16:59:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1858 [16:59:19] <lazerlemon> ill have a question soon
1859 [16:59:22] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: But you haven't asked a support question related to Debian yet.
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1862 [16:59:59] <lazerlemon> ok here it goes
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1864 [17:00:08] <annadane> i have a debian support question. with regard to backports, what's the mailing list for only security fixes to backports? i guess this relates to the general backport announce list (don't remember which one it is) but i don't want to be spammed to death with 'foo uploaded to backports' for every single package
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1866 [17:00:16] <lazerlemon> how do I put wingrep.exe from windows 10 to a winXP vm
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1871 [17:00:39] <annadane> because security fixes are technically new uploads thus would probably fall within the rubric of the general uploads list
1872 [17:00:39] <Mathisen> anyone mind clearing this upp for me.. this is my partitions now replaced-url
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1878 [17:01:38] <petn-randall> lazerlemon: Again, not a Debian support question. Last warning.
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1880 [17:01:46] <annadane> apparently debian-backports-announce has security announcements but it's very very low volume
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1882 [17:01:54] <en1gma> since i couldnt get the wifi to auto connect on startup (since i didnt have the driver at install time for usb wifi adapter) i decided to get "debian-live-9.5.0-i386-xfce+nonfree.iso" and yep that had my wifi adapter driver. doing new install to usb stick
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1884 [17:02:23] <annadane> oh and debian-backports apparently isn't even package upload announcements anyway
1885 [17:02:38] <en1gma> hope after all is setup that when it reboots every time it will auto connect
1886 [17:02:42] <en1gma> wirelessly
1887 [17:02:59] <annadane> feel free to answer en1gma's question, mine is low priority
1888 [17:03:18] <en1gma> worked on that forever last night and couldnt get it to auto connect no matter what i did.
1889 [17:03:33] <en1gma> mine is not a question. mine is a statement.
1890 [17:04:08] <petn-randall> annadane: there's no dedicated backports security list, there's only the ones you mentioned. security in backports is handled by the backports team.
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1893 [17:04:16] <en1gma> if you want auto wifi then make sure you have the driver at boot time which means dont get the smaller debian live xfc
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1895 [17:04:21] <SchneeSchwarz> Mathisen: where your volume group resides does not matter for resizing the LVs it contains.
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1897 [17:05:08] <annadane> fair enough, backports uploads according to the tracker are pretty rare anyway and it's likely i'll round them up when i do my normal Stable packages updates
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1899 [17:05:31] <annadane> i've just been wondering how often to check (and i don't want to use unattended upgrades)
1900 [17:05:39] <Mathisen> SchneeSchwarz, thanks
1901 [17:05:42] <lazerlemon> I just need a place to think out loud
1902 [17:05:52] <lazerlemon> where someone will actually listen
1903 [17:06:08] <lazerlemon> is there a channel for that
1904 [17:06:14] <at0m> !chat
1905 [17:06:14] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
1906 [17:06:21] <bolovanos_> how can one on Debian 9 boot in rescue mode without / partition being mounted? As long as my prompt says grub (Advanced options > Deb ..(recovery mode) -> e add "rescue/enable=true" at the begining of file" > F10) but than still / is mounted ... I am proceeding with replaced-url
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1912 [17:08:55] <joepublic> Out of curiosity, what do you need to do that requires booting but not mounting slash? Depending on the answer, simply booting to a live GNU/linux media may do what you want.
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1914 [17:09:29] <trysten> joepublic: checkinstall was exactly what I needed thank you.
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1916 [17:10:03] <joepublic> you're very welcome.
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1922 [17:10:45] <lazerlemon> ##chat is dead
1923 [17:11:02] <annadane> too bad so sad.
1924 [17:11:05] <bolovanos_> joepublic, run zerofree to downsize dynamically allocated virtual disk... replaced-url
1925 [17:11:11] <annadane> don't interrupt people seeking actual support here
1926 [17:11:15] <lazerlemon> I guess ##chat in irc.rizon is my only option
1927 [17:11:20] <lazerlemon> where the retards live
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1931 [17:12:34] <joepublic> bolovanos_, I guess I am dense, but I am having trouble connecting that (basically something you do to a file) with booting while somehow not mounting anything.
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1945 [17:16:53] <bolovanos_> joepublic, it is described on that link. "You can’t actually use zerofree on your / partition while you’re booted into the standard Linux environment. Instead, you’ll want to boot into a special recovery mode where your normal root partition isn’t mounted."
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1954 [17:19:46] <joepublic> bolovanos_, yes, now I see. That's something you can do while booted to a live GNU/Linux environment if the recovery instructions on that page don't work for you.
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1957 [17:20:47] <bolovanos_> joepublic, how can I start it - do I need to download separate live debian to do it or not?
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1959 [17:22:06] <joepublic> bolovanos_, as I understand it, you want to zerofree the partition that is mounted as / in your guest OS in your virtualbox, right? If so, mount the live ISO in your virtual CD/DVD drive in virtualbox and boot the virtual machine to the live ISO.
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1961 [17:23:10] <bolovanos_> joepublic, yes you understand right. - already downloading iso, will test it then. thank you!
1962 [17:23:30] <joepublic> you're very welcome. Peace.
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1976 [17:30:02] <joepublic> bolovanos_, I suspect that once you are booten in the live environment you will almost certainly have to apt-get install zerofree
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2005 [17:50:30] <bolovanos_> joepublic, of course - although I am a "noob", but not that big. Anyway thank you for your concern :)
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2010 [17:50:57] <joepublic> It
2011 [17:51:21] <joepublic> It's just easy to get confused with three operating systems at once (host, guest-booted, and guest-installed)
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2091 [18:30:32] <annadane> i've installed yakuake and when i activate it, i get "a konsole installation is required to use yakuake." i apt install konsole and still get the same message
2092 [18:30:52] <annadane> maybe i should just reinstall yakuake
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2094 [18:31:30] <Dyl0n> Hi
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2097 [18:32:40] <annadane> k, fixed it i guess
2098 [18:32:57] <Dyl0n> I would like setup my usb-ethernet adapter for Wake on Lan, is it possible ?
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2103 [18:34:30] <no_gravity> Hello! Is there a downside of aliasing 'grep' to 'grep -E'?
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2111 [18:38:20] <jhutchins_wk> Dyl0n: No.
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2134 [18:50:50] <c0fe> on debian with lxde de is it possible to use network manager with openvpn plugin?
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2138 [18:51:28] <pagios> hi, pointopoint (Gateway IP) <-- in /etc/network/interface what does ppointtopoint mean?
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2152 [18:56:55] <petn-randall> c0fe: sure
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2157 [18:57:25] <c0fe> petn-randall: can't find the nm-connection-editor in the repo
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2162 [18:59:07] <c0fe> is it not available? or is it in backports?
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2165 [18:59:43] <bites> ,file bin/nm-connection-editor
2166 [18:59:47] <judd> Search for bin/nm-connection-editor in stretch/amd64: network-manager-gnome: usr/bin/nm-connection-editor
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2168 [19:00:01] <bites> it's in the network-manager-gnome package.
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2174 [19:02:33] <c0fe> is it possible to force VPN connection on the computer at all times? if there is any disruption to the VPN connection, then connection is stopped?
2175 [19:02:36] <petn-randall> c0fe: network-manager-openvpn provides the tools for it, and network-manager-openvpn-gnome adds some GUI elements to the GUI.
2176 [19:02:48] <petn-randall> c0fe: You can set that up too, yes.
2177 [19:03:02] <c0fe> petn-randall: is it possible to do that within /etc/network/interfaces?
2178 [19:03:05] <c0fe> or would it require nm?
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2181 [19:03:27] <petn-randall> c0fe: You can also set it up with ifupdown, yes. It's less flexible, though.
2182 [19:03:44] <c0fe> less flexible how petn-randall ?
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2184 [19:04:17] <Strogg> anyone remember how to ask dpkg (the bot) for the current apt keys?
2185 [19:04:37] <Strogg> I'm trying to import them from gpg but the server times out
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2187 [19:05:33] <petn-randall> Strogg: Why are you pulling them with gpg? They came with your installation.
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2189 [19:06:15] <Strogg> petn-randall: hrmm I haven't updated in a while and I got some warnings about keys. figured I just had to update them
2190 [19:06:27] <Strogg> I guess that all gets handle automatically and it's something else?
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2192 [19:06:52] <petn-randall> Strogg: It should get handled by the OS, yes. Can you provide the following:
2193 [19:06:53] <petn-randall> !bat
2194 [19:06:53] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2195 [19:07:05] <petn-randall> Strogg: 1 + 3 are enough.
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2206 [19:11:41] <c0fe> petn-randall: any ideas on how to install the GUI version of Network Manager? I see nmTUI and nmCLI
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2209 [19:12:13] <jhutchins_wk> c0fe: What desktop do you use?
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2211 [19:12:42] <c0fe> jhutchins_wk: LXDE
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2213 [19:13:12] <annadane> also curious about the answer to that question for xfce
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2215 [19:13:28] <annadane> or window managers generally
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2217 [19:15:12] <Strogg> petn-randall: I think my problem is solved. it seems like one of the keys stored is no more good. "no public key associated with this key ID". thanks for the nudge in the right direction. sorry for the noise
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2220 [19:16:19] <jhutchins_wk> I have network-manager-gnome on xfce, I believe it's the general-purpose applet.
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2228 [19:19:03] <jhutchins_wk> !network-manager
2229 [19:19:03] <dpkg> NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>. replaced-url
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2235 [19:20:50] <c0fe> jhutchins_wk: i have had issues where the VPN connection might get interrupted and a regular connection might happen exposing my IP, have you ever had that issues?
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2244 [19:24:44] <petn-randall> Strogg: Uh, ok. But the release keys should be valid for a very long time, which is why I'm curious why your system claims them to be invalid.
2245 [19:24:52] <Slashman> hello, does anyone know how to identify the threads from the same core when a CPU uses SMT? numactl gives me the physical CPUs but I would like to give a VM both hyperthreads from the same cores, it is the consecutive cpu numbers has given per numactl?
2246 [19:25:29] <Strogg> petn-randall: I'll see if I can reproduce it once my dist-upgrade finishes
2247 [19:25:43] <Slashman> wow, english, I meant "is it the consecutive cpu numbers as given by numactl?
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2249 [19:25:50] <petn-randall> Strogg: Ok. As long as you didn't ignore the invalid keys ... :)
2250 [19:26:37] <en1gma> well i installed debian-live-9.5.0-i386-xfce+nonfree.iso to my usb stick (gave me a "real" persistent. anyhow during setup i picked my wireless adapter and setup my wifi connection and it connected and updated.
2251 [19:26:46] <en1gma> so why is it when i boot into xfce i do not auto connect to wifi
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2261 [19:30:51] <jhutchins_wk> c0fe: The VPNs I use currently grant me access, including DNS, for specific networks. I don't use them to mask my ID. All I can say is that if it's important to you, check the VPN before you try to connect.
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2264 [19:31:30] <c0fe> jhutchins_wk: i use frootvpn but the connection can drop out much like with private internet access
2265 [19:31:33] <Strife89> Hello! I'm trying to follow replaced-url
2266 [19:32:37] <RandomSerb> is it bad if a full path to your website leaked?
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2269 [19:33:05] <RandomSerb> as in, is there a way to exploit that info?
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2271 [19:33:21] <RandomSerb> based on my experience there's not, but just asking
2272 [19:33:23] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: That question is too vague to give you an actual answer.
2273 [19:33:25] <Mathisen> RandomSerb, ##security
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2275 [19:33:41] <Strogg> RandomSerb: it's not great, and generally a bad thing, but not a bad thing by itself
2276 [19:33:48] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: Do you mean the path to your DocumentRoot on the filesystem?
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2279 [19:34:25] <RandomSerb> jhutchins_wk, yeah
2280 [19:34:34] <RandomSerb> Strogg, yeah, that's my understanding as well
2281 [19:34:35] <Strogg> One mildly bad thing probably won't compromise a system, but multiple mildly bad things probably will.
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2284 [19:35:03] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: It should be irrelevant if your server is adequately secured.
2285 [19:35:03] <Strogg> RandomSerb: think of it like a crack in a dam.
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2287 [19:35:22] <Strogg> the dam might not be breaking right now.. but it'd be better if that crack wasn't there.
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2289 [19:35:49] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: /var/replaced-url
2290 [19:36:08] <RandomSerb> jhutchins_wk, thanks. anyone can provide any example of how can one exploit that info?
2291 [19:36:28] <RandomSerb> as far as my reasoning goes, it's not useful at all if you can't access the system
2292 [19:36:33] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: Obfuscating the path is just an annoyance to other administrators, it does not improve security.
2293 [19:36:51] <RandomSerb> jhutchins_wk, exactly, my point. thanks!
2294 [19:36:53] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: If you have an exploit and need to write to somewhere, you'll know where it'll be on your filesystem to call it again.
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2299 [19:37:24] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, ok, true, but given you already have access to the system, it's just a matter of minutes, at most, until you actually find the website
2300 [19:37:50] <RandomSerb> so, I don't really think of it as a big deal, that someone knows the full path to my website on my system
2301 [19:37:55] <jhutchins_wk> If your webserver can write to the filesystem, that's your problem, not the path.
2302 [19:38:10] <RandomSerb> jhutchins_wk, let's say it can
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2304 [19:38:42] <RandomSerb> also what do you mean by filesystem?
2305 [19:38:54] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: Then knowing the path doesn't really matter.
2306 [19:39:14] <RandomSerb> jhutchins_wk, yeah
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2314 [19:41:38] <jhutchins_wk> If your server accepts files from the generral publlic on the web interface, you should quarantine the files until they can be checked.
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2317 [19:41:56] <jhutchins_wk> Same for ftp/sftp.
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2320 [19:42:37] <c0fe> does WiCD support OpenVPN or VPN connections like Network Manager does?
2321 [19:42:46] <jhutchins_wk> More commonly you want to lock down the addresses that can access the admin/upload interface.
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2326 [19:44:11] <jhutchins_wk> c0fe: I'd stick with NM, it's better supported/developed these days.
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2328 [19:45:21] <c0fe> jhutchins_wk: i see ok
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2330 [19:45:37] <c0fe> it just doens't pick up the default connection
2331 [19:45:44] <jhutchins_wk> Looks like the last release of wicd was 2014.
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2333 [19:46:04] <c0fe> that's my concern jhutchins_wk
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2338 [19:47:58] <c0fe> any ideas why?
2339 [19:48:02] <petn-randall> c0fe: Why don't you stick with network-manager? I'm wondering because you asked about it half an hour ago.
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2341 [19:48:19] <petn-randall> c0fe: Because nobody is maintaining it anymore.
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2343 [19:48:38] <c0fe> petn-randall: i installed network manager on my Debian LXDE but it doesn't automatically detect a network like WiCD had (wicd was already removed) but I can still access the internet
2344 [19:48:56] <c0fe> so network manager sees no defined networks
2345 [19:49:01] <c0fe> wicd did (its gone now)
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2347 [19:50:51] <c0fe> that's my concern, shouldn't network manager have automatically detected the existing network?
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2350 [19:53:01] <FuriousGeorge> i'm trying to get this script to not prompt me for a confirmation to run the update it is designed to run: replaced-url
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2352 [19:53:31] <FuriousGeorge> apt/aptitude get called two times in the script, once in check_deb and another in handle_deb... adding a "-y" is not helping
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2354 [19:54:21] <jhutchins_wk> c0fe: It's not clear what you mean by detecting the existing network.
2355 [19:54:47] <c0fe> jhutchins_wk: i installed debian 9 with lxde (fresh install)
2356 [19:54:58] <c0fe> jhutchins_wk: it has wicd and working network
2357 [19:54:59] <c0fe> yes?
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2359 [19:55:28] <joepublic> are you saying that you think that networkmanager should respect wicd's configuration?
2360 [19:55:30] <jhutchins_wk> c0fe: Did you read any of the links from dpkg earlier?
2361 [19:55:47] <FuriousGeorge> nm
2362 [19:56:03] <petn-randall> c0fe: If any network is managed by ifupdown (or wicd, I think), network-manager will ignore those.
2363 [19:56:18] <petn-randall> I'm sure about ifupdown, not sure about wicd.
2364 [19:56:21] <c0fe> joepublic: the thing is i purged wicd and i still have internet
2365 [19:56:36] <petn-randall> c0fe: So you need to unconfigure it in both for n-m to do its magic.
2366 [19:56:49] <joepublic> wicd "did something" and it remains having been done, even though wicd left after doing it.
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2368 [19:57:11] <c0fe> petn-randall: so purge out ifup and wicd and then run nm?
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2375 [19:58:45] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me allowing remote connects to MySQL?
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2377 [19:58:56] <hexhaxtron> I commented out the bind-address line and restarted the service.
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2381 [20:00:58] <petn-randall> c0fe: *unconfigure*
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2383 [20:01:26] <c0fe> petn-randall: how? i haven't done this before, i usually just used the big hammer
2384 [20:01:46] <joepublic> hexhaxtron, my server notes say I changed the line to bind-address = 0.0.0.0
2385 [20:01:56] <bites> hexhaxtron: have you created a user that can connect from something other than localhost?
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2387 [20:02:43] <petn-randall> c0fe: check in /etc/network/interfaces if the interface is listed there.
2388 [20:02:55] <c0fe> petn-randall: ok sec
2389 [20:02:55] <petn-randall> c0fe: Also in /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
2390 [20:03:06] <c0fe> petn-randall: ok will check
2391 [20:03:09] <c0fe> reinstalling
2392 [20:03:12] <hexhaxtron> joepublic, I tried that but no luck.
2393 [20:03:16] <hexhaxtron> bites, yes, I did.
2394 [20:03:35] <joepublic> do you connect but get denied, or fail to connect?
2395 [20:04:06] <hexhaxtron> joepublic, I tried with telnet. It says: Connection failed: Connection refused
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2399 [20:04:57] <joepublic> may pastebin see your /etc/mysql/my.cnf file?
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2401 [20:05:13] <hexhaxtron> joepublic, ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'thunix.org' (101 "Network is unreachable")
2402 [20:05:42] <joepublic> network unreachable means just that. mysql not taking the connection would be "connection refused"
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2404 [20:06:18] <joepublic> try it by ip address instead?
2405 [20:06:20] <hexhaxtron> joepublic, replaced-url
2406 [20:06:57] <hexhaxtron> joepublic, ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '88.98.194.163' (111 "Connection refused")
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2409 [20:07:39] <joepublic> do other services on the machine work?
2410 [20:08:04] <hexhaxtron> joepublic, yes, it works with SSH for example.
2411 [20:08:09] <joepublic> I ask because of hosts.allow/hosts.deny is all.
2412 [20:08:12] <bites> check with ss -tulpn is it listening on port 3306?
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2414 [20:08:32] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: If you comment it out, it won't listen to any ports on any interfaces.
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2416 [20:08:43] <hexhaxtron> bites, tcp LISTEN 0 70 127.0.0.1:3306 *:* users:(("mysqld",pid=5967,fd=71))
2417 [20:08:45] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: You can then still connect via socket on the local machine.
2418 [20:09:03] <joepublic> petn-randall, it says 0.0.0.0 in the pasted config file
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2420 [20:09:13] <joepublic> hexhaxtron, I don't see a public address listed there
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2422 [20:09:19] <bites> but it's only listening on localhost.
2423 [20:09:52] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: What does 'netstat -npl | grep :3306' give you?
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2425 [20:10:55] <hexhaxtron> petn-randall, tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5967/mysqld
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2431 [20:12:02] <joepublic> like it didn't take the config. perhaps stop mysql, count to ten, curse and/or pray briefly, start mysql
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2438 [20:13:04] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: Is that all the output?
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2440 [20:13:38] <petn-randall> Some daemons lookup all interfaces and bind on them individually.
2441 [20:13:53] <bites> ha, i bet it's overwritten by something in /etc/mysql/conf.d/
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2443 [20:14:15] <petn-randall> Or that.
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2448 [20:18:28] <c0fe> petn-randall: ok is what is in /etc/network/interfaces: replaced-url
2449 [20:18:44] <c0fe> nothing is in interfaces.d
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2451 [20:19:48] <c0fe> so should i just comment all of that out?
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2462 [20:25:19] <petn-randall> c0fe: which interface do you want to use with n-m?
2463 [20:25:46] <petn-randall> c0fe: You can comment it all out, but keep lines 7-8 like that.
2464 [20:25:46] <c0fe> petn-randall: de? lxde
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2466 [20:25:58] <c0fe> i want to have all connections run throuhg openVPN
2467 [20:26:52] <petn-randall> c0fe: I meant which network interface do you want to use with network-manager.
2468 [20:27:36] <c0fe> the NIC? Whatever is built into the board
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2470 [20:27:52] <joepublic> so, /dev/whatever then
2471 [20:28:23] <petn-randall> c0fe: I meant "enp0s3", I'm guessing that's the interface you mean.
2472 [20:28:35] <petn-randall> joepublic: network interfaces aren't in /dev/.
2473 [20:28:51] <c0fe> oh yes enp0s3
2474 [20:28:58] <Exagone313> Hi, is it possible on any of the debian websites (e.g. packages.debian.org) to check the version history of a specific package (or simply what is the latest build date)? I see that there is a link to a "debian changelog" but I don't know if it must be edited by the maintainer for each version.
2475 [20:29:34] <Exagone313> I guess package files are versioned somewhere, right?
2476 [20:29:40] <joepublic> Somehow I was thinking that this was to be a wireless interface
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2479 [20:31:13] <c0fe> well looks like it is working now
2480 [20:31:15] <c0fe> thanks everyone
2481 [20:31:42] <petn-randall> c0fe: Cool, glad it worked out :)
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2483 [20:32:19] <joepublic> Exagone313, snapshot.debian.org may have what you want
2484 [20:34:03] <mutante> Exagone313: you can use "apt-cache showsrc" to show details about a package, and in there is a "Vcs:" field that shows the upstream repo
2485 [20:34:26] <mutante> Exagone313: and then you could clone that upstream repo and read the entire history..
2486 [20:34:44] <mutante> f.e. apt-cache showsrc gnome-disk-utility | grep Vcs
2487 [20:35:04] <mutante> gets you git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-utopia/gnome-disk-utility.git
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2489 [20:36:07] <joepublic> ^ another excellent way to see the history.
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2495 [20:38:30] <Exagone313> thanks you both
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2499 [20:39:53] <Exagone313> heh an old cgit url and a redirection to a gitlab :P
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2552 [21:11:38] <tete_> hi, i'd like to know if it could be a problem to install openssl 1.1.1 (from testing repo) in debian 9?
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2554 [21:12:21] <greycat> ,v libssl1.1
2555 [21:12:23] <judd> Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.1-2; sid: 1.1.1-2
2556 [21:12:31] <greycat> ,checkbackport libssl1.1
2557 [21:12:32] <judd> Backporting package libssl1.1 in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
2558 [21:12:42] <greycat> You can attempt it, but if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
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2589 [21:38:25] <tete_> greycat, thanks, in that case guess its better to wait a couple of weeks until its (hopefully) published in stable
2590 [21:38:40] <greycat> ... what? You don't seem to understand what "stable" means.
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2592 [21:38:49] <greycat> Debian is not a rolling release.
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2594 [21:39:10] <joepublic> but if you want new stuff mixed in with your stable, backports is probably for you.
2595 [21:39:39] <greycat> There isn't a backport of this point release of this critical system library (checked with judd), but building your own backport of it may be possible (checked with judd).
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2597 [21:40:01] <tete_> ah ok, so there will never be a openssl 1.1.1 for debian 9?
2598 [21:40:09] <tete_> except maybe backports
2599 [21:40:12] <greycat> Correct. Unless maybe someone backports it.
2600 [21:40:34] <tete_> hm ok, so lets hope that someone creates a backport of it :)
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2602 [21:40:59] <greycat> !simple sid backport
2603 [21:40:59] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2608 [21:42:05] <joepublic> I might add the multi-part step 0, "make a backup and lower your expectations first"
2609 [21:42:51] <tete_> what do you mean with "lower your expectations" ?
2610 [21:43:34] <joepublic> sometimes people have blind faith that things will work, but this is not a thing suitable to such faith. It ought to work, but is untested.
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2612 [21:43:48] <tete_> thats why i am not going to build it myself
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2614 [21:45:56] <tete_> what is the process of getting something to backports? is there some kind of committee which decides which package will be backported and which not?
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2617 [21:47:13] <jhutchins_wk> tete_: There's a mailing list, I believe you can make requests there. You can also contact the package maintainer and see if they have interest and time to do it.
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2636 [21:55:53] <jhutchins_wk> tete_: Building software is an interesting and useful skill to learn though, including what can go wrong and how to work around problems. You might want to look through the build notes for the package in buster, see if there are any gotchas.
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2716 [22:42:08] <glaucom> hello all , good night
2717 [22:42:22] <glaucom> gnome with wayland, i need install driver NVIDIA ?
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2719 [22:42:52] <greycat> !debian-next
2720 [22:42:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2741 [22:53:49] <glaucom> gnome with wayland, i need install driver NVIDIA ?
2742 [22:54:10] <greycat> Try asking the testing/unstable support people.
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2752 [22:58:08] <Resilience> I hve put a file por dmesg in /etc/sudoers.d but it does no work, what am I doing wrong? /etc/sudoers.d/dmesg -> my-user ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/klibc/bn/dmesg
2753 [22:59:03] <greycat> If the actual goal is simply to let anyone run dmesg, replaced-url
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2757 [22:59:53] <Resilience> greycat, that's the goal, but I would rather prefer doing it the sudo way
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2760 [23:00:39] <joepublic> I suspect that dmesg is /bin/dmesg
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2762 [23:01:02] <greycat> I at the very least suspect that it's *not* /usr/lib/klibc/bn/dmesg
2763 [23:01:03] <magnulu> how do I know if my debian 9 uses locally defined dns servers, or if it uses dns servers from my router?
2764 [23:01:03] <Resilience> oe pugfantus maybe, but locate dmesg says that
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2767 [23:01:19] <Resilience> joepublic, greycat maybe, but locate dmesg says that
2768 [23:01:31] <joepublic> what does which dmesg say?
2769 [23:01:32] <greycat> Resilience: locate doesn't just show you commands. It shows you all kinds of crap. "type dmesg" shows you command paths.
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2776 [23:02:07] <greycat> wooledg:~$ type -a dmesg
2777 [23:02:07] <greycat> dmesg is /bin/dmesg
2778 [23:02:08] <Resilience> greycat, oh my, I did not know the tyoe command
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2780 [23:02:39] <greycat> wooledg:~$ type type
2781 [23:02:39] <greycat> type is a shell builtin
2782 [23:03:06] <Resilience> builtin/command, whatever :)
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2785 [23:03:16] <greycat> Yes, it's a command.
2786 [23:03:22] <Resilience> but thanks for te ,mmmm precission?
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2790 [23:03:52] <LtL> magnulu: cat /etc/resolv.conf
2791 [23:03:53] <SerajewelKS> builtin means it's part of the shell itself, not a separate binary
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2793 [23:04:05] <greycat> As a shell builtin, it can tell you about ALL kinds of commands (aliases, functions, builtins and external commands), not just external commands like which(1) does.
2794 [23:04:15] <SerajewelKS> e.g. /bin/echo exists, but many shells also have an "echo" builtin that does not spawn /bin/echo
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2797 [23:04:20] <Resilience> SerajewelKS, thaks, I knew it, that's why I calll it command
2798 [23:04:35] <SerajewelKS> yes. a builtin is a type of command.
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2801 [23:05:07] <SerajewelKS> "type" specifically tells you the type of a command, so "type type" telling you that it's a command would be kind of redundant :P
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2822 [23:11:12] <magnulu> LtL: how does this tell me? where does the nameservers listed there come from?
2823 [23:11:50] <greycat> replaced-url
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2826 [23:12:53] <greycat> For most people, resolv.conf is probably populated by DHCP.
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2903 [23:46:30] <mada> hi i have 2 of the same ssd on my computer, one with freebsd and one with windows. I want to install debian on top of the bsd one, but the installer shows only /dev/nvme0n1 and /dev/nvme1n1, same size, both "Unknown", so i don't know which to select
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2905 [23:46:35] <mada> how can i tell them apart?
2906 [23:46:48] <DammitJim> what syslog server do you guys recommend to run on Debian?
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2913 [23:50:13] <mada> seems busybox can only mount the efi partitions on each
2914 [23:52:52] <HelloShitty> Hello peeps
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2916 [23:53:09] <HelloShitty> How can help me setting up a port forward in my VPS?
2917 [23:53:27] <HelloShitty> I need to allow to port 113 to LISTEN connections from outside
2918 [23:53:33] <HelloShitty> How do I do it?
2919 [23:55:08] <bites> port forwarding you do on a NAT. is your VPS behind a NAT or just a firewall?
2920 [23:56:25] <HelloShitty> bites: how can I check that?
2921 [23:56:52] <bites> does it have a public ip?
2922 [23:57:01] <HelloShitty> I'm sorry, I don't know much about networking details
2923 [23:57:02] <HelloShitty> yes it has
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2930 [23:57:52] <bites> so it's behind a firewall if ports are blocked. the question now is if that firewall is on your VPS or something your provider manages.
2931 [23:58:10] <bites> which provider is that?
2932 [23:58:18] <HelloShitty> Aruba Cloud
2933 [23:58:30] <HelloShitty> I search a little bit about port forwarding
2934 [23:58:33] <HelloShitty> and I found this:
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2936 [23:58:42] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
2937 [23:58:51] <HelloShitty> but I don't want just use that blindly
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2939 [23:59:05] <HelloShitty> I need to know that using that is ok for what I need
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2941 [23:59:21] <HelloShitty> I'm using Debian 8 on that vps
2942 [23:59:23] <fassl> mada, i think you could tell them apart through partition types
2943 [23:59:38] <bites> you need to know if you are using ufw in the first place.
2944 [23:59:43] <mada> fassl: i did, also inside the EFI partition there's some microsoft stuff
2945 [23:59:44] <SerajewelKS> HelloShitty: unless there is something behind your VPS (your VPS is routing traffic for another machine) then "port forwarding" is not what you want
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2947 [23:59:57] <mada> i didn't realize there were later steps that showed partition types. Thanks
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