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4 [00:01:50] <at0m> hi, do recent kernels still support floppies? i would expect floppy at /dev/fd0, but it only shows up in /dev/disk/by-*/ where i see it's supposed to be at some /dev/sdX
5 [00:02:09] <at0m> this is a usb floppy drive i've connected
6 [00:02:27] <woenx> I guess so, I've used a floppy disk with the latest ubuntu distro, so I guess it should work in Debian as well
7 [00:02:37] <at0m> cool, thanks
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10 [00:03:14] <LinuxFire> at0m fdisk -l
11 [00:03:20] <at0m> woenx: that was on parallel floppy connection on motherboard?
12 [00:03:40] <at0m> LinuxFire: doesn't show up. could be my floppies, too
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14 [00:03:41] <woenx> Mmm, not sure, it was a laptop with a floppy drive
15 [00:03:48] <at0m> ok
16 [00:03:51] <woenx> (yes, those existed)
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20 [00:04:31] <LinuxFire> if its usb its not going to be fd0 I dont think
21 [00:04:56] <at0m> woenx: yes, i had that on an IBM PS2 notebook back in the day
22 [00:05:21] <at0m> usb drive i still have is from a later laptop w/o onboard drive
23 [00:05:46] <woenx> by the way, why do you still use a floppy?
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26 [00:06:58] <at0m> i'm trying solve a problem on an old synth workstation, which goes "Insert Disk" no matter what I throw at it. tried different cables, tried 4 floppy drives i found in my old stock, and 10'ish different floppy disks replaced-url
27 [00:07:37] <at0m> so now i'm trying to confirm a floppy that's still ok by fdisk on a computer
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33 [00:09:17] <at0m> the synth has an excellent keyboard, using it as master keyboard in my setup, and some useable sounds. but to use its sequencer, it stores and reads MIDI files using floppy
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35 [00:09:59] <woenx> aha
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37 [00:10:06] <at0m> unfortunately no onboard user storage that i could then transmit/receive as sysex over MIDI cable
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40 [00:10:40] <at0m> so i'm on the floppy hunt again :D
41 [00:12:22] <at0m> it would be way cool if i could create midi files with qtractor or seq64, then take these with me on stage in that keyboard. wouldn't need to take a computer then
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44 [00:12:59] <at0m> or i can buy another hardware sequencer, but this thing does plain MIDI files
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55 [00:21:03] <at0m> i'll try to boot one of the old P4/AMD machines here tomorrow which has 'native' 3.5" floppy drive connection
56 [00:21:24] <at0m> still have a couple of these catching dust
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87 [00:42:23] <rant> last machine I built some 6 years or so ago now was one of those more modern 775 P4s with HT, and it was pretty nice
88 [00:42:54] <woenx> nice
89 [00:43:20] <rant> the idea was I could get the p4 3.2ghz for like $5 and the 775 could be upgraded to core2 arch later if need be
90 [00:44:26] <rant> I used it mostly as something to backup/restore drives when servicing machines and to play movies/tv while workin on stuff.. but it was pretty quick and was dirt cheap.. though a lot has changed in the last 6 years or so
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93 [00:45:49] <woenx> works quite well
94 [00:45:49] <woenx> I still use a core2duo with 2gb of ram as my home server
95 [00:46:15] <at0m> i use that as my main computer and music production machine ;)
96 [00:46:19] <woenx> I last upgraded 10 years ago, I think (except for hard drives)
97 [00:46:47] <woenx> someday I'll buy some more ram (it supports up to 8gb)
98 [00:46:54] <at0m> upgraded its video card and went from 4x250GB to probably 12TB
99 [00:47:02] <woenx> wow
100 [00:47:17] <woenx> well, I have a raspberry pi with two 4TB hard drives :)
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105 [00:48:05] <at0m> only reason i ditched out the P4 was its power consumption, 60W 24/7
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107 [00:49:56] <rk4> power consumption is a pro in cold places, but in hot you end up paying >1x. you pay once to use the energy, and a bit more to pump it out of the house
108 [00:51:06] <rk4> at least that's how i cost justify computers running 24/7 (:
109 [00:51:17] <at0m> :)
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111 [00:52:46] <rk4> i do like old computers a bit more than new in one aspect, in the time before EFI, and before intel management engine, i felt my system had less backdoors
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114 [00:54:23] <rk4> that saddens me a bit. on one hand Debian has become a very refined free OS, on the otherhand it runs alongside ever more proprietary software embedded into the HW
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127 [01:02:52] <at0m> rk4: what goes for it's development is that at least i've worked solely with linux the last 10-15 years. before i needed proprietary software/OS to do my thing. but that's long in the past now.
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186 [01:29:57] <kar_man> debian vs archlinux what is better
187 [01:30:23] <n4dir> per channel policy you may only ask "what is worse" here.
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190 [01:31:32] <joepublic> if you prefer to assemble your cars manually from bins of parts, and want to apply that to your operating system, arch is much, much better.
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193 [01:31:47] <kar_man> no, i'm looking for a slackware replacement
194 [01:31:56] <n4dir> that
195 [01:32:05] <n4dir> s a tough one, i would say.
196 [01:32:06] <joepublic> debian has all these pesky "just works" features that can tend to hide the underlying interactions.
197 [01:32:21] <rk4> read the DFSG, if you don't like em, maybe something else would be a better option
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199 [01:32:51] <n4dir> kar_man: what ar you missing in Slackware? That might offer a better idea what you might be looking for.
200 [01:33:35] <joepublic> I would say that arch is probably a little closer to the feel and ethos of slackware, but either one would replace slackware for many uses.
201 [01:33:48] <n4dir> i kinda agree.
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204 [01:35:05] <n4dir> rk4: who the bloody hell cares about debian; is also a good read.
205 [01:35:18] <n4dir> or watch.
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209 [01:37:05] <n4dir> joepublic: more a question than a statement, but perhaps the BSD OS
210 [01:37:13] <n4dir> es are more close to Slackware ...
211 [01:37:26] <kar_man> Debian installed it on a laptop a year ago. Not really like it.
212 [01:38:16] <joepublic> FreeBSD package management does kind of remind me of slackware, but it has been many many years since I actually ran slackware (along the time of potato or woody)
213 [01:38:27] <kar_man> But it is convenient, since all packages can be installed from the repository.
214 [01:38:55] <n4dir> joepublic: I never looked that close at FreeBSD (not at all at the others), but it
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216 [01:39:16] <n4dir> s user often mention Slackware as being ... "tolerable"
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218 [01:39:31] <n4dir> similar init system too, iirc
219 [01:39:38] <rk4> personally i'd look at nixos|guixsd, or debian+nix|guix. the functional package managers are an interesting innovation
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221 [01:40:49] <kar_man> I tested a lot of OS AIX, Slackware, Redhat, Centos, OpenSuse, FreeBSD, Solaris 8/10. But like Slackware, FreeBSD, Solaris
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223 [01:41:02] <n4dir> Then stick to them. Duh.
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227 [01:44:54] <kar_man> I'm tired of compiling programs from source :)
228 [01:45:40] <joepublic> like debian, FreeBSD provides convenient binary packages.
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232 [01:48:15] <n4dir> with slackbuilds it doesn
233 [01:48:32] <n4dir> t seem that difficult though.
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241 [01:53:06] <kar_man> slackbuilds nothing to do with if you are going to remake Slackware for authorization through kerberos. all packages have to be redone.
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244 [01:54:34] <kar_man> or if you are compiling programs for electronics for example.
245 [01:54:38] <n4dir> sorry, but my crystal ball is not here right now
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278 [02:20:17] <annadane> i'm trying to downgrade vim from backports to stable, and get neovim is already the newest version (0.2.2-3~bpo9+1).
279 [02:20:25] <annadane> with apt -t stretch install neovim
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282 [02:22:24] <agio> is neovim a package? how do you check?
283 [02:22:33] <agio> ,judd neovim
284 [02:22:39] <annadane> ,v neovim
285 [02:22:40] <judd> Package: neovim on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1.7-4; stretch-backports: 0.2.2-3~bpo9+1; buster: 0.2.2-3; sid: 0.3.1-1
286 [02:22:56] <annadane> sorry, i mean downgrade neovim*
287 [02:23:23] <agio> annadane: do you mind if I ask why you are using neovim in the first place?
288 [02:23:33] <agio> over regular vim - I mean
289 [02:23:53] <annadane> just to play with it
290 [02:23:56] <annadane> but can you answer my question?
291 [02:24:28] <joepublic> I think neovim provides vim, which may be the source of the confusion
292 [02:24:54] <agio> you mean "vim" as a virtual package?
293 [02:25:06] <annadane> never mind, got it
294 [02:25:07] <joepublic> I mean "vim" as something other packages might depend on
295 [02:25:12] <annadane> it's apt install neovim/stretch
296 [02:25:20] <annadane> not apt -t stretch install neovim
297 [02:25:28] <joepublic> good to know.
298 [02:25:41] <agio> hmm, wonder when neovim was uploaded to repo?
299 [02:25:47] <agio> must be pretty recent?
300 [02:25:48] <annadane> check the tracker
301 [02:25:53] <agio> how?
302 [02:25:57] <annadane> tracker.debian.org
303 [02:26:08] <agio> thanks
304 [02:26:29] <annadane> september 17 2016, accepted to unstable
305 [02:26:37] <annadane> and experimental before that but that doesn't really really count
306 [02:27:06] <agio> when did it hit stable?
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308 [02:28:08] <annadane> well, when stretch released
309 [02:28:25] <annadane> it was in testing at the time of freeze, and...
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312 [02:29:43] <agio> so why did you need to use the command `apt install neovim/stretch' instead of just the usual: `apt install neovim' ?
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314 [02:30:14] <agio> do you have some other archives in your sources?
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316 [02:30:39] <n4dir> annadane: i think you can also do something like apt-get install pkg version=
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318 [02:30:40] <annadane> well, stretch and stretch-backports
319 [02:30:55] <annadane> and i don't know, i didn't even try apt install neovim
320 [02:31:01] <n4dir> i would need to google the exact syntax myself. Your version is much easier to remember anyway.
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328 [02:36:49] <agio> n4dir: if I type: apt-get install foopackage=<HIT TAB HERE>, my shell provides completion suggestions for all possible version numbers
329 [02:37:18] <annadane> which shell?
330 [02:37:42] <agio> and shows URL of the achive that the version is hosted in
331 [02:37:45] <n4dir> agio: way cool. never heard of that (but then, i probably had to do the version= thing 2 or 3 times at all)
332 [02:37:50] <agio> annadane: zsh
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352 [03:02:09] <bindi> hello, anyone used nmcli to connect with a 3g modem? i seem to be stuck in umts mode
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354 [03:03:56] <annadane> anyway, as far as neovim is concerned, it's supposed to offer improvements over vim, one can easily look up a comparison online
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360 [03:05:41] <__m4ch1n3__> can you see the matrix with neovim?
361 [03:05:57] <annadane> ...yes.
362 [03:06:06] <__m4ch1n3__> nice
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366 [03:06:41] <agio> annadane: I don't have an opinion either way, I was sincerely just asking because Im interested to learn
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368 [03:07:10] <annadane> yeah just trying to explain
369 [03:07:30] <annadane> the motivation behind forking it. they want to, AFAIK, introduce newer technologies
370 [03:08:04] <annadane> curiously neovim is in backports and vim (and emacs) isn't
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376 [03:10:56] <agio> when i run `apt-cache policy neovim' it shows neovim in stretch, release archive
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378 [03:10:57] <agio> I don't have backports enabled
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380 [03:11:21] <agio> v 0.1.7-4
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383 [03:11:47] <__m4ch1n3__> vim is nerd lvl over 9000
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385 [03:13:18] <agio> and tracker.debian.org doesn't seem to explain when this version entered stable?
386 [03:13:43] <annadane> packages only become stable when stable is released
387 [03:13:58] <annadane> packages in testing enter a freeze and stable is released when RC bugs are close to 0
388 [03:14:39] <agio> ah, I think I see.
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391 [03:15:50] <agio> so basically what the tracker was calling "testing" on 21st April 2017, is now actually stable
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393 [03:16:42] <annadane> well, right, because testing is testing the new release
394 [03:17:02] <agio> when did stretch become stable?
395 [03:17:07] <annadane> july 2017
396 [03:17:20] <annadane> sorry, june
397 [03:17:22] <annadane> june 17 2017 IIRC
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399 [03:17:59] <agio> right, so after june (or july) 2017, any references by the tracker to "testing" would subsequently be referring to "buster" right?
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401 [03:19:04] <annadane> yes
402 [03:19:31] <annadane> which is why of course you want to put code names ("buster") in your sources list and not release names ("testing") so you don't get nasty surprises
403 [03:19:54] <agio> yeah, thats what I do
404 [03:20:16] <agio> but testing and unstable have their own codenames too right?
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407 [03:21:19] <annadane> yes but unstable is always "sid"
408 [03:21:28] <annadane> testing changes based on the name of the next release
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410 [03:25:14] <agio> oh, was sid the naughty neighbour boy in toy story?
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414 [03:26:49] <annadane> something like that
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423 [03:33:19] <agio> does the tracker have the date when stretch became stable?
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430 [03:35:35] <annadane> i don't know
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470 [04:09:41] <grub> on installing kali linux from usb i get error: grub-dummy failed execute fatal error how to fix this or how to reinstall grub from live usb? replaced-url
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476 [04:17:36] <awal1> dpkg: kali linux
477 [04:17:36] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
478 [04:17:42] <awal1> grub ^
479 [04:18:13] <grub> i know this is wrong room but kali linux room is dead like every day
480 [04:18:22] <grub> i just try my luck here
481 [04:18:28] <grub> i hope i distrub no one
482 [04:18:39] <awal1> dpkg: based on debian
483 [04:18:39] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
484 [04:18:57] <awal1> grub, no one will talk about kali here; sorry for you
485 [04:19:15] <awal1> check @debian-offtopic
486 [04:19:33] <awal1> try #debian-offtopic
487 [04:19:47] <grub> thank you very much
488 [04:20:09] <bindi> How do you configure wwan0 for debian (raspbian to be specific but that shouldn't matter)?
489 [04:20:33] <bindi> interfaces shouldn't be touched because of dhcpd. the usb modem is in NCM mode
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492 [04:22:23] <awal1> dpkg: raspbian
493 [04:22:23] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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495 [04:23:23] <grub> can you pls give me another kali linux rooms which i can ask there?
496 [04:23:52] <grub> this is so sad that debian users are so helpful but not kali users they are extreme selfish :D
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498 [04:24:22] <SerajewelKS> grub: most people in here won't even know. there's hundreds of distros based on debian; we don't know them all nor their chat locations.
499 [04:24:25] <bindi> sigh I know you might be deterred by all the raspberry noobs, but lets just pretend that I'm trying to use it with debian. same packages no?
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501 [04:24:42] <SerajewelKS> it would be better to check the kali website and use those channels
502 [04:25:12] <bindi> it's more systemd related i think, because that's where dhcpd comes from, right?
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504 [04:25:42] <Beggar> hi
505 [04:25:47] <bindi> its also fairly new so using google isn't that much helpful, in interfaces file you could set wwan-apn
506 [04:26:24] <Beggar> i did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and changed to GMT-3 but in date command it shws GMT+3, is this a bug?
507 [04:26:29] <Beggar> I am using Stretch
508 [04:27:32] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: did you reopen the shell that you're running date from?
509 [04:27:52] <dvs> Begger: Where do you live? Iceland?
510 [04:28:01] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: also what does "echo $TZ" say?
511 [04:29:19] <Beggar> say nothing, the var is empty
512 [04:29:35] <Beggar> No I did not reopen the sheel, I will check it.
513 [04:29:54] <Beggar> dvs Are you against people from Iceland?
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516 [04:30:36] <grub> kali linux official room is dead like everytime
517 [04:30:38] <dvs> Begger, no, If you live in Europe then GMT+3 sounds right
518 [04:30:44] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: please keep it civil, there is no need for such accusations
519 [04:32:16] <Beggar> dvs I feel you hate me, for some reason I am sure you hate iceland people... I can tell by your tone...
520 [04:32:36] <dvs> ???
521 [04:32:40] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: chill the hell out
522 [04:32:43] <Beggar> SerajewelKS, no insults taken sorry for my bad english I was not tretening nobody, at least was not my intention
523 [04:33:09] <Beggar> Sorry for the misleading joke.
524 [04:33:14] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: if your english is poor then perhaps you should not be jumping to conclusions about the intentions of other people
525 [04:33:28] <Beggar> I am from Brazil, not Iceland.
526 [04:33:40] <dvs> Ah, ok
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529 [04:34:14] <Beggar> Man, this channel had better days, where you could joke and people would not take it literal O.O
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531 [04:34:50] <SerajewelKS> i mean when you accuse someone of xenophobia as a joke, you gotta make it damn clear it IS a joke...
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533 [04:35:28] <SerajewelKS> and it usually goes better if you have some rapport with the other party
534 [04:35:41] <SerajewelKS> anyway
535 [04:35:49] <SerajewelKS> about your timezone issue, usually restarting the process will correct the problem
536 [04:36:14] <Beggar> My most sincere apologies, I am bad with the language at times, too much time without interaction, really sorry.
537 [04:36:18] <SerajewelKS> if it does not then the timezone reconfiguration probably was not successful. what is the content of /etc/timezone
538 [04:36:51] <SerajewelKS> no worries, no harm done. just seemed to be getting off the rails.
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540 [04:37:06] <Beggar> I linked the content of ETC/GMT-3 to the localtime after it failed with reconfigure tzdata.
541 [04:37:38] <SerajewelKS> right, but what's in /etc/timezone
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543 [04:39:03] <Beggar> ahhaha Etc/GMT+3
544 [04:39:35] <Beggar> I tried GMT+3 in the tzdata reconfigure right now and it changed to GMT-3
545 [04:39:53] <Beggar> I do not know if it is something weird I am doing or if this is a bug
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548 [04:40:26] <SerajewelKS> don't know what to tell you there
549 [04:40:37] <SerajewelKS> i've never had an issue with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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552 [04:41:06] <dvs> problem solved.
553 [04:42:09] <Beggar> I could use GMT+3 in tzdata reconfigure and let it like that but... I fear I could be in trouble if in some update the time is changed to GMT+3
554 [04:42:47] <SerajewelKS> as far as i know all it does is change /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone
555 [04:43:02] <SerajewelKS> you can edit/link those by hand to the correct values/targets
556 [04:43:34] <Beggar> If I do that there is any chance of it being changed in some apt-get upgrade?
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558 [04:44:03] <SerajewelKS> i wouldn't expect it to
559 [04:44:16] <dvs> Yeah, link /etc/localtime to the correct file in /usr/share/timezone
560 [04:44:32] <SerajewelKS> debian is pretty good about not changing stuff that you've manually changed
561 [04:44:54] <Beggar> dvs, I already did it here, I jsut expect it not to break soemthing in upgrades.
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563 [04:46:02] <dvs> Beggar, ok, just make sure the /etc/adjtime and the system clock are set correctly too.
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565 [04:46:40] <Beggar> if I put ETC/GMT-3 in the etc/timezone the date shows GMT+3.
566 [04:46:43] <SerajewelKS> adjtime should always be UTC
567 [04:46:54] <SerajewelKS> so should the system clock
568 [04:47:23] <dvs> SerajewelKS, I set my adjtime to LOCAL because of Windows.
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570 [04:47:35] <Beggar> I have no /etc/adjtime dvs o0
571 [04:47:37] <danielboston26> where do i report a bug with a driver?
572 [04:47:42] <SerajewelKS> dvs: ah. i just told windows to use UTC.
573 [04:47:57] <Beggar> I forced windows in UTC too
574 [04:47:58] <rabbitear_sdf> danielboston26: to your city planner
575 [04:48:05] <dvs> Beggar, Well, there's a problem
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577 [04:48:27] <danielboston26> rabbitear_sdf, funny
578 [04:48:42] <SerajewelKS> adjtime IIRC is an artifact of using ntp, generally
579 [04:48:42] <danielboston26> a operting system driver for debian
580 [04:48:44] <rabbitear_sdf> k, next question
581 [04:48:49] <SerajewelKS> perhaps he's not using ntp
582 [04:49:03] <SerajewelKS> danielboston26: report it to whatever package the driver comes from
583 [04:49:09] <__m4ch1n3__> Beggar if a debian driver doesnt work its like 99% because the non-free firmware package is not installed for driver/wh
584 [04:49:27] <danielboston26> the latest nvidia driver is somehow screwing up the dm
585 [04:49:38] <rabbitear_sdf> whats this because
586 [04:49:49] <danielboston26> xorg starts fine but it won't log me in just bounces back to login screen
587 [04:49:52] <rabbitear_sdf> because you don't read the code, thats your because
588 [04:50:03] <__m4ch1n3__> not for me, it now supports eaven prime snchronisation on my primus gpu
589 [04:50:16] <SerajewelKS> danielboston26: check the X logs
590 [04:50:24] <Beggar> ntpdate included SerajewelKS ?
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592 [04:50:43] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: ntpdate has been deprecated for years... don't use it
593 [04:50:54] <rabbitear_sdf> because me, man, thats just you because
594 [04:51:10] <rabbitear_sdf> I'll go so far as to say, your a cousin
595 [04:51:20] <Beggar> __m4ch1n3__, wehat? o.o
596 [04:51:25] <SerajewelKS> rabbitear_sdf: do you have anything constructive to say?
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598 [04:51:33] <rabbitear_sdf> always
599 [04:51:38] <danielboston26> SerajewelKS, where are they located?
600 [04:51:41] <SerajewelKS> so far you've said nothing constructive
601 [04:51:42] <__m4ch1n3__> if something not worked for me with nvidia preporitary drivers a purge of all nvidia rel. pkgs rebot and driver reinstall fixed it for me
602 [04:51:56] <Beggar> SerajewelKS, I do nto know anymore what sets the clock here, but I do nto have ntpd running here now.
603 [04:51:59] <SerajewelKS> danielboston26: /var/log/Xorg.* IIRC
604 [04:52:02] <rabbitear_sdf> SerajewelKS: to you?
605 [04:52:07] <SerajewelKS> rabbitear_sdf: to anyone
606 [04:52:17] <rabbitear_sdf> SerajewelKS: why is that?
607 [04:52:19] <danielboston26> m4rley, the only fix was to purge the nvidia drivers and use the free driver that comes with debian
608 [04:52:47] <SerajewelKS> danielboston26: i forget the exact path but they are in /var/log and start with X
609 [04:52:51] <danielboston26> _
610 [04:53:05] <rabbitear_sdf> SerajewelKS: please
611 [04:53:35] <Beggar> WOW!
612 [04:53:50] <Beggar> I jsut did apt-get upgrade and it said to me... "libdrumstick1 tzdata" hmmm
613 [04:53:51] <Beggar> hahahaha
614 [04:54:03] <Beggar> Let me seee if it fixes things up
615 [04:54:24] <rabbitear_sdf> you will be fine Beggar
616 [04:54:29] <SerajewelKS> !ops rabbitear_sdf obvious troll
617 [04:54:29] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: serajewelks complains about a problem (see above)
618 [04:54:31] <__m4ch1n3__> Beggar, and i did loooot experiments until i got prime synchronisation work, de-installed the drivers hundert of times with countles xorg.conf variations
619 [04:55:01] <rabbitear_sdf> SerajewelKS: what you mean obvious troll?
620 [04:55:31] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: the latest update was just a data change
621 [04:55:47] <SerajewelKS> Beggar: my guess is that if there is a bug it won't be in tzdata, but in some other package
622 [04:56:17] <Beggar> I will jsut upgrade and restar and see if it changes anything I will need to upgrade anyways
623 [04:56:20] <rabbitear_sdf> so bsd rooms are best, for that kind of thing
624 [04:56:21] <Beggar> BRB
625 [04:56:45] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
626 [04:57:12] <rabbitear_sdf> not watching
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628 [04:57:22] <__m4ch1n3__> it only works if modesetting driver comes before nvdia driver in xorg.conf ^^
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630 [04:58:29] <__m4ch1n3__> but Xorg hase now native vsync support
631 [04:58:46] <__m4ch1n3__> for nvidia devices
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633 [05:01:02] <__m4ch1n3__> the nvidia*legacy* pkgs have broken dependencies for me
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637 [05:06:34] <Beggar> It did not work, but I made manually the changes and I will just pray that it do no change suddenly.
638 [05:07:02] <Beggar> thank you very much SerajewelKS and dvs for the help.
639 [05:07:43] <dvs> np
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641 [05:09:11] <Beggar> And dvs, please stop hatting people from Iceland <<THIS IS A JOKE PLEASE SMILE>> see ya people \o
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650 [05:13:24] <rabbitear_sdf> its a waste of energy to hate
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676 [05:32:27] <borrougagnou> Hi ! I have a problem, I got hacked by a chinese people, but I don't understand I can't write anything ! with Vim I have: `"<file>" E667: Fsynch failed` and with emacs: `"Write error: error input/output, /home/<user>/<file.txt>" ` but weird, I can do echo "foo" > bar in a newfile...
677 [05:32:59] <borrougagnou> how did he do that
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680 [05:35:12] <rk4> why do you think you got hacked
681 [05:35:30] <RoyK> borrougagnou: better calm down and run an fsck on that filesystem before you blame the chinese ;)
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685 [05:36:35] <RoyK> borrougagnou: check if filesystems on the systems aren't full
686 [05:37:05] <rk4> dmesg will be insightful
687 [05:37:23] <borrougagnou> It's not full I know that with df, because I thinking the same thing
688 [05:37:37] <RoyK> s/will/might/
689 [05:37:40] <borrougagnou> I know I'm hacked, I have proof with bruteforce
690 [05:38:04] <rk4> what is this proof
691 [05:38:11] <borrougagnou> I just unconfigured fail2ban unfortunately
692 [05:38:28] <RoyK> rk4: probably a red flag on his or her doorstep ;)
693 [05:39:36] <rk4> RoyK: i meant will :P messages in there helps build the picture of what is happening, sometimes if only by their absence
694 [05:39:36] <borrougagnou> my bad slash not working on IRC
695 [05:39:55] <borrougagnou> var-log-auth and -var-log-fail2ban.log
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697 [05:41:06] <borrougagnou> I found a lot of chinese ip requests and 1 success...
698 [05:41:17] <rk4> well that's fun, what was the success?
699 [05:41:24] <borrougagnou> 1 ssh connexion success
700 [05:41:32] <rk4> do you know what account
701 [05:41:36] <borrougagnou> root
702 [05:41:51] <borrougagnou> my password have 20chat
703 [05:41:54] <borrougagnou> *char
704 [05:42:01] <RoyK> rk4: dmesg is kernel stuff - not userspace, so something like unsuccessful logins don't go there
705 [05:42:43] <dvs> ...and that's why people shouldn't allow root over ssh.
706 [05:43:00] <rk4> RoyK: yeah....so if as he initially commented, if he's having IO failures due to a hardware failure, it'll normally leave a stream of error messages
707 [05:43:00] <RoyK> borrougagnou: why on earth would you allow root logins with password?
708 [05:43:17] <rk4> s/so if as/so as/
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710 [05:43:35] <RoyK> most system allow root login with key, though
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712 [05:44:27] <rk4> borrougagnou: so are they still logged in? :)
713 [05:45:21] <borrougagnou> just because I used this VPS for few time, and I share this server with other people, and I forget + don't have time to configure a little this server
714 [05:45:29] <rk4> borrougagnou: there's no easy way out of this. copy off all the content that was important to you, skipping or closely examining anything that's executable; and do a clean reinstall
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719 [05:47:08] <rk4> that is, if this really was a stranger logging in as root over ssh. maybe it was one of your other people[?]
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721 [05:47:33] <borrougagnou> rk4 > I want that, but the problem is my postgresql base... I don't add my ip into pg_hba.conf, so I can't access with my normal computer to this base and backkup absolutely all
722 [05:48:04] <borrougagnou> and how I can't write into file, I can't save the base...
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724 [05:49:59] <borrougagnou> but same with root user I can't write into file
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726 [05:50:52] <borrougagnou> how did he do that !
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728 [05:51:16] <rk4> this is a VPS correct? can you stop the VPS, and present its root disk to anothher instance [what provider is this?]
729 [05:52:57] <borrougagnou> what do you mean by another instance, and my provider is bad + don't have english language
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734 [05:54:00] <borrougagnou> with this VPS I can only access to VNC mode , reformat with list of distribution, and reboot, that all
735 [05:55:36] <borrougagnou> for information it's a shared VPS, not dedicated
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739 [05:58:25] <borrougagnou> ho and I forget for dmesg, my bad I have a lot of message who say: Buffer I/O error on device dm-XXX, logical_block XXXXXX
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743 [06:00:16] <borrougagnou> and also EXT4-fs warning (device dm-XXX): ext4_end_bio:323: I/O error 3 writing to inode 15773 (offset 0 size 0 starting block XXXXXX)
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754 [06:04:21] <borrougagnou> nobody?
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763 [06:11:48] <rk4> do you suppose the chinese logging in is incidental to your disk dying
764 [06:12:23] <rk4> ^ RoyK if we had IRC beer i think you'd owe me one ;)
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770 [06:22:08] <borrougagnou> :/
771 [06:22:59] <borrougagnou> I just looking for how to write
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814 [06:53:39] <pity> Hi, guys, I'm running into a problem. I packaged some code to deb, and upload to an internal source repo, now I can install the debs via `apt install foo`, the dependencies are automatically sovled. But when I run `apt build-dep foo`, it doesn't show any dependencies at all. I'm sure I add `deb-src` entry to the source list. Did I miss anythin?
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820 [07:00:08] <rk4> can you pastebin your control file?
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825 [07:05:19] <pity> rk4: I pasted here: replaced-url
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827 [07:07:02] <pity> rk4: Depends: dr-log, dr-tf, dr-motoman, libdr-tf-dev, libdr-motoman-dev these packages are all available in my internal repo.
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831 [07:11:36] <milkt> how can I get list of installed package, which is from contrib or non-free?
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835 [07:14:16] <__m4ch1n3__> synaptic has some filter criterias in left sidebar
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863 [07:33:39] <KNERD> I still got a Core 2 Duo laptop with 4GM of ram running. Got it at Best Buy on Clearance. It is a socketed chip which orognally came with a Core 2 horrible Celery. I was thinking of either putting in a Core 2 3.Duo 3Ghz or the Q9650 since the pricess on those have hit hr $40 mark
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934 [08:46:51] <soul-d> so i was smart and created a frankenstein with nvidia driver it mentioned something about incompolete libgl so i said ok to overwrite now ofcourse i came back to a black xcreen with xfce4-notifyd[1170]: segfault at ....error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.... intrestingly enough it was only the 30bit xserver (running multi head 30bit4k 24bit 1080p) that went black
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938 [08:51:16] <soul-d> still an xorg/firfox issue on that 30bit screen though it's realy slow and choppy for video playback but smooth if i set it to 24bit :(
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941 [08:52:24] <rant> KNERD: my father has been using a Core2Duo E8400 3.0ghz Dell Opti mini desktop w/ 4GB ram on Stretch.. I'd originally put Jessie on it a few years back.. works pretty good and he's not really considerate about how he uses it.. insisted on having MS Office, didnt like libre, and often leaves a buncha js hungry tabs open in FF.. He seems satisfied with it and thats sayin a lot considering I had to force it on
942 [08:52:31] <rant> him, he didnt want to leave windows :P
943 [08:53:12] <rant> would seem the Core2 can def still git r done
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945 [08:58:23] <soul-d> i just retired my q66000 and thats only cause of the power running cost
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950 [09:02:08] <charliebrownau> soul-d: Have you seen the 771 to 775 xeons for older core2systems
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953 [09:06:32] <soul-d> not irl but did check back then on the mod
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956 [09:07:45] <soul-d> did mistakenly buy a dell poweredge few years back that was from about that time power hungry they are
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958 [09:09:12] <charliebrownau> yeah some of those old dells souind like jet engines that chew almost as much power as a plane
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963 [09:14:06] <soul-d> anyone idea what nvidia did with libglib-2.0.so.... and it being incomplete maybe revert back to debian one :P , i know should not have pressed overwrite i am sorry
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968 [09:15:01] <soul-d> ah well at least deeplearning cuda works :)
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989 [09:39:48] <format_c> msg /dpkg bots
990 [09:39:59] <format_c> haha
991 [09:40:06] <format_c> !dpkg bots
992 [09:40:07] <dpkg> We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
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994 [09:41:15] <format_c> !dpkg fail2ban
995 [09:41:15] <dpkg> Fail2ban invokes system access restrictions after repeated logon attempts. It uses <ssh> and <iptables> by default, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. Fail2ban does not support <IPv6> (Debian bug #470417). replaced-url
996 [09:41:21] <format_c> ,v fail2ban
997 [09:41:22] <judd> Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; buster: 0.10.2-2.1; sid: 0.10.2-2.1
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1003 [09:45:20] <format_c> BTW fail2ban supports IPv6 up from version 0.10
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1096 [10:48:36] <rk4> pity: is it because pulling in the build dependencies would only pull down the things listed under build-depends?
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1099 [10:49:39] <rk4> milkt: the vrms package might tell you that :)
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1117 [10:58:39] <rant> pity: internal repo? you using a local mirror? perhaps you have a pin/priority or such issue. It could even be that you already have all the dependencies and thus there is nothing to fetch
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1123 [11:00:35] <agio> there is a ppackage, like "local apt-cacher" maybe they are using that
1124 [11:00:37] <agio> ?
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1131 [11:05:54] <milkt> rk4: thanks, best solution for me
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1152 [11:18:03] <ov3rmind> hello great guys, here is time to say good morning
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1165 [11:26:42] <Milkshake> ov3rmind: good morning. are you ex centos?
1166 [11:26:56] <ov3rmind> no
1167 [11:27:03] <ov3rmind> gentoo slack debian
1168 [11:27:15] <ov3rmind> some freebsd sometimes
1169 [11:27:18] <Milkshake> ok, we had too many ex centos here recently
1170 [11:27:40] <rant> you can have too many?
1171 [11:28:09] <Milkshake> i cant, im not greedy
1172 [11:28:26] * apollo13 uses centos and debian
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1176 [11:30:16] <ov3rmind> i like too much gentoo and debian
1177 [11:30:32] <ov3rmind> but some servers i preffer freebsd
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1181 [11:31:59] <ov3rmind> i am running one raspbian desktop
1182 [11:32:43] <rant> ov3rmind: the 3b?
1183 [11:32:58] <ov3rmind> yeas
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1185 [11:33:38] <rant> ov3rmind: hows that perform in your opinon? Both my brothers have one but its only that retropie, I never seen one running a desktop and all I got is an orangepi lite.
1186 [11:34:47] <ov3rmind> to light usage like some programming exercises and some navigation and irc is good
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1188 [11:35:55] <rant> ov3rmind: just dont do more than that or are you sayin its not really suited to more?
1189 [11:36:20] <ov3rmind> i am without pc here
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1191 [11:36:45] <ov3rmind> rasp is good to my actualy usage
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1193 [11:37:11] <rant> yeah well I had nothing when I'd bought my OrangePI Lite.. and had very little money so $37 for a whole sbc, card, cables, input devices, was what I needed at the time
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1197 [11:39:06] <winny> once you take away a modern web browsing experience and good video playback, any low end device is a sufficient desktop
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1200 [11:40:20] <rant> heh yeah well that sounds like the OrangePi Lite and the Raspi3b had better specs I thought it might run better
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1272 [12:22:42] <at0m> and rpi does 1080p video, and youtube-dl then mpv do better than the browser
1273 [12:23:35] <BCMM> doesn't even need to be "and then" - you can get URLs with youtube-dl instead of actually downloading, and then stream directly in mpv
1274 [12:24:04] <BCMM> (also some build of mpv have youtube-dl hooks, so you just do `mpv <youtube url here>` and it does it all for you)
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1276 [12:27:05] <purpleunicorn> if i download debian will my MacBook overheat? i think i can't even download debian i probably need a vm right?
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1282 [12:28:53] <milkt> purpleunicorn, do you mean downloading debian image/installer, or running debian on macbook?
1283 [12:29:07] <purpleunicorn> running it on a MacBook milkt
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1285 [12:29:23] <at0m> purpleunicorn: i installed debian (testing) on a friend's macbook pro that's no longer getting love from apple
1286 [12:29:35] <at0m> runs great on that core2duo
1287 [12:29:35] <milkt> I'm currently running debian on apple macbook, and not overheating and using fine
1288 [12:30:14] <purpleunicorn> how are you doing it
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1290 [12:30:29] <purpleunicorn> milkt i was literally going to buy a chromebook or something just for that
1291 [12:30:37] <at0m> i don't remember the name now, but there's a couple macbook specific tools you can install for the keyb and some specific functions
1292 [12:30:56] <purpleunicorn> could i use dual boot or migration assistant debian
1293 [12:31:10] <purpleunicorn> ah okay at0m
1294 [12:31:23] <purpleunicorn> i have a mid 2012 MacBook
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1296 [12:33:50] <milkt> I mostly used this replaced-url
1297 [12:33:51] <at0m> yea probably same core2duo
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1299 [12:34:43] <at0m> she was already using openoffice, so that was an easy migration. copied all her docs/pics/bookmarks over to an external drive, and installed debian on her macbook
1300 [12:34:46] <milkt> but need non-free network driver package, and additional package for keymap changing
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1302 [12:34:59] <at0m> then moved all back to her home and that was totally painless
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1304 [12:35:49] <at0m> apt show pommed (apple;) daemon for the hotkeys etc
1305 [12:36:11] <at0m> plus a macfanctld
1306 [12:36:24] <purpleunicorn> i swear i thought someone told me on here i can't install debian on a mac
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1308 [12:36:40] <at0m> tell 'em they are wrong
1309 [12:36:53] <at0m> dual boot may be harder, but full debian was easy as on any hw
1310 [12:37:23] <rant> yes well some people are stupid and as I recall macbook around that time did have some big issues, though they may have been resolved by now..
1311 [12:37:34] <at0m> plus the migration of her docs and bookmarks was easy
1312 [12:37:54] <at0m> since, she's got a fully supported machine again, with timely updates
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1314 [12:38:49] <at0m> afaik her wifi is broadcom, and gfx nvidia, so she's got non-free repo's, too
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1317 [12:39:15] <at0m> better than no-longer supported Apple i guess
1318 [12:42:03] <at0m> initially, she came to me "laptop is no longer supported, can you advise on a new one" well i made her old one new =)
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1329 [12:49:07] <rant> anyone have any thoughts on this.. I of course could probably find some work arounds but if I fullscreen VLC in XFCE on a dual head, the panel reappears on top of the video output as soon as I focus a window on the other head. I can imagine a buncha ways to work around it but I dont understand why it'd even do something like that
1330 [12:49:14] <n4dir> at0m: well, if you still got a powerpc, than it is not that easy (dual boot or single OS doesn't relate to the problems you may run into)
1331 [12:49:33] <n4dir> but at least you can make hardware else useless usable again.
1332 [12:49:47] <at0m> exactly
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1334 [12:49:55] <at0m> perfectly fine laptop
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1336 [12:50:30] <n4dir> i think what i got is called iMac, but it's just a chat note. Tried hard to make OS X (?) usable, but to no avail.
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1338 [12:51:46] <at0m> n4dir: iMac, like the CRT screen with built-in computer?
1339 [12:51:57] <rant> heh
1340 [12:52:13] <n4dir> at0m: yes, that thing.
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1344 [12:52:23] <at0m> oh nostalgia =)
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1346 [12:52:44] <rant> I think thats called nausea
1347 [12:52:44] <n4dir> i had an old one, which look like from space, it died, and now a rather modern looking one
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1349 [12:52:58] <at0m> but still CRT?
1350 [12:53:01] <rant> happens when you see or think about something disgusting.. heh
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1352 [12:54:07] <n4dir> not sure what a CRT is.
1353 [12:54:17] <rant> Cathode Ray Tube
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1355 [12:54:29] <at0m> purpleunicorn: make sure what cpu is in that macbook, but if it's 2012 as you say, i'm guessing core2duo which is perfectly supported (amd64 .iso)
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1357 [12:54:57] <rant> big bulbous display where electron beams are shot at a screen and bent by a big electromagnet to scan the screen
1358 [12:54:59] <at0m> cathode ray tube, like old TV's (as opposed to newer flatscreens, usually LCD)
1359 [12:55:01] <purpleunicorn> yeah it definitely supports 64 bit iso's
1360 [12:55:01] <n4dir> at0m: i guess so. I gotta admit: for the most part i ignore hardware.
1361 [12:55:31] <at0m> fishbowl display
1362 [12:55:31] <n4dir> at0m: ah, yes, the elder one was CRT then (out of space, funny colors, etc), the newer one is nearly flat
1363 [12:55:38] <at0m> cool
1364 [12:55:49] <n4dir> i still keep the older one, as it looks so funny.
1365 [12:55:55] <at0m> =)
1366 [12:56:04] <rant> yeah if you're amused by things that are aweful looking
1367 [12:56:13] <at0m> that old one is powerpc, iirc
1368 [12:56:17] <rant> and have a strong stomach
1369 [12:56:30] <n4dir> at0m: it is, but the newer one too. (newer is funny here)
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1371 [12:58:27] <n4dir> at0m: per chance, can you tell me anything about upgrading debian-ppc from old-stable to sid? Or better reinstall? Or better replace with, e.g, OpenBSD, once old-stable is stoneage?
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1373 [12:59:31] <at0m> n4dir: afaik, it's advised to dist-upgrade one version at once. so old-stable, stable, testing, sid
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1376 [12:59:56] <n4dir> yes, but there ain't no stable for the ppc anymore.
1377 [12:59:59] <rant> !ppc
1378 [13:00:00] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
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1381 [13:01:22] <n4dir> i asked in #debianppc , a while ago, but that channel sure is as silent as can be :-)
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1383 [13:01:42] <n4dir> well: still a few months to go. I will decide then.
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1405 [13:14:06] <EdePopede> how/why is the speech-dispatcher restarted all the time on a basically vanilla installation? just started mplayer inside of screen, wanted to change volume in pulseaudio mixer and BANG not only mplayer appears there but also s-d. i kill it regularly and also regularly it returns.
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1417 [13:21:20] <at0m> EdePopede: "Accessibility/Assistant" in your desktop environment?
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1429 [13:28:14] <EdePopede> nope. that's only the usual mouse/kbd settings to help some people. xfce btw. i would expect it around systemd or ibus or such a thing.
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1431 [13:30:20] <xsisec> hi guys I wonder how can I start qps minimized on startup ?
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1475 [13:53:18] <peaceguy> hi all
1476 [13:53:45] <peaceguy> i did rfkill block bluetooth but still after suspend it says about bluetooth firmware not being loaded, while i want to disable all loading of bluetooth
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1478 [13:53:54] <peaceguy> so rfkill and systemctl don't work
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1480 [13:55:28] <EdePopede> killing is always a good choice. c u later, speech-dispatcher.
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1482 [13:56:40] <peaceguy> rfkill?
1483 [13:56:55] <peaceguy> how to disable it autostarting so that i doesn't need to load any firmware?
1484 [13:57:20] <EdePopede> no, i want to *see* what happens. htop -> <K> <Enter> ;)
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1487 [13:57:49] * EdePopede shrugs
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1492 [13:58:17] <EdePopede> debian installation became rather bloated.
1493 [13:58:23] <peaceguy> yes
1494 [13:58:24] <EdePopede> replaced-url
1495 [13:58:33] <EdePopede> and why did it install those for me?
1496 [13:58:33] <rabbitear_sdf> nope
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1499 [13:58:53] <rabbitear_sdf> you have become rather bloated
1500 [13:58:56] <EdePopede> i am not in japan, i am not japanese, i can't even read those funny signs
1501 [13:59:09] <peaceguy> but bluetooth
1502 [13:59:18] <abrotman> EdePopede: Define bloated?
1503 [13:59:24] <peaceguy> just stop the service from autostarting
1504 [14:00:32] <peaceguy> where are those service files located in /etc anyway?
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1507 [14:01:26] <EdePopede> what about... installing tons of stuff needed (if so) by a minority, autostart it, no option to unselect on install (look at (at least old) suse installers) and no hint where to manage those things.
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1509 [14:02:10] <EdePopede> but on the other hand leaving out tools which are part of unixoid environments
1510 [14:03:33] <EdePopede> just right now firefox 60est ist hold back. together with some 50 or so localization packages. srsly. i had to insert my location AND my language during install. (and no, no distinction for root and default user)
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1512 [14:03:55] <peaceguy> yes!!
1513 [14:04:04] <peaceguy> we need an option to not install wifi and bluetooth
1514 [14:04:07] <peaceguy> !
1515 [14:04:22] <peaceguy> yes like
1516 [14:04:24] <peaceguy> xdotool
1517 [14:04:27] <peaceguy> wait i have a list
1518 [14:04:56] <rabbitear_sdf> peaceguy: you are good
1519 [14:05:08] <rabbitear_sdf> peaceguy: already done
1520 [14:05:11] <peaceguy> how am i good?
1521 [14:05:20] <rabbitear_sdf> what you say
1522 [14:05:31] <rabbitear_sdf> in english
1523 [14:05:33] <peaceguy> list with packages that are essential
1524 [14:05:40] <peaceguy> essential non installed packages
1525 [14:05:42] <EdePopede> abrotman: the best install procedure related to packages i've seen was in said suse installation many years back. it had selections for KDE/Gnome/Printserver/fileserver and such (here debian has the different ISOs), but i could select (and more important unselect) even individual packages
1526 [14:06:07] <peaceguy> if i for example omit printserver
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1528 [14:06:12] <peaceguy> cups still gets installed
1529 [14:06:25] <EdePopede> i don't even have a printer, nor did e ever use wifi.
1530 [14:06:37] <peaceguy> feh
1531 [14:06:39] <peaceguy> 1. feh
1532 [14:06:44] <peaceguy> so i need feh!
1533 [14:06:49] <peaceguy> 2. xdotool !!!
1534 [14:06:56] <rabbitear_sdf> I use apt
1535 [14:07:04] <peaceguy> 3. links2 !!!
1536 [14:07:32] <peaceguy> and other things
1537 [14:07:47] <peaceguy> ranger
1538 [14:07:49] <rabbitear_sdf> .
1539 [14:07:53] <peaceguy> xbacklight
1540 [14:08:00] <rabbitear_sdf> lol
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1542 [14:08:08] <rabbitear_sdf> shutup!
1543 [14:08:09] <peaceguy> package for monitoring baterry temperature
1544 [14:08:11] <peaceguy> lol
1545 [14:08:12] <peaceguy> why?
1546 [14:08:19] <milkt> well you can remove packages which you don't need after installation
1547 [14:08:22] <rabbitear_sdf> its fun ny
1548 [14:08:31] <peaceguy> but
1549 [14:08:37] <peaceguy> essential packages are not installed
1550 [14:08:39] <rabbitear_sdf> no buts
1551 [14:08:44] <peaceguy> i'm talking most essential utilities
1552 [14:08:47] <peaceguy> !!
1553 [14:08:47] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
1554 [14:08:50] <milkt> what essential packages
1555 [14:08:59] <rabbitear_sdf> I early voted
1556 [14:09:02] <peaceguy> xdotool ranger feh
1557 [14:09:09] <milkt> you can instsall afterward
1558 [14:09:11] <peaceguy> but we have firefox
1559 [14:09:14] <peaceguy> lol
1560 [14:09:16] <peaceguy> ok
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1562 [14:09:47] <EdePopede> it is a different thing with drivers (you may need to switch your graphics card), but for applications a selection on package group or even package level should be possible. with some smart decisions (i obviously don't need that japan stuff if i select european language)
1563 [14:09:51] <rabbitear_sdf> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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1565 [14:10:29] <milkt> did you installed with expert mode? I think there is more detailed option in expert mode
1566 [14:10:33] <EdePopede> in my case there is any need for office and java, both of which belong to the biggest installs.
1567 [14:10:52] <EdePopede> milkt: let me check the screenshots
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1572 [14:11:41] <rabbitear_sdf> yeah always use expert mode
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1579 [14:12:34] <EdePopede> where do the screenshots go from the installation procedure?
1580 [14:13:32] <EdePopede> nevermind, found them
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1587 [14:18:03] <rant> i never fooled with expert mode much but seemed to me like it was just the curses interface where it let you choose steps from the menu rather than go through them automatically but seemed like the exact same stuff to me
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1592 [14:18:48] <abrotman> Wait, you installed KDE, and are sad about extra packages being installed?
1593 [14:18:59] <EdePopede> i was able to to all the partitioning and filling fstab manually, does this sound like expert mode? it think the choice is made in the bootloader, so no screens from here.
1594 [14:21:17] <EdePopede> abrotman: i mentioned kde only with the "raw" choices suse allowed me to make: choosing one DE or packages for a server role for that computer. and no, KDE became bloatware. didn't even switch to 4, switched to xfce
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1596 [14:21:56] <abrotman> EdePopede: So I still don't understand how you think Debian is bloated?
1597 [14:21:57] <EdePopede> and even here i'm not sure what of the DE functionality i really use or even would need...
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1599 [14:22:57] <EdePopede> abrotman: installling tons of stuff which should be at the user's discretion.
1600 [14:23:26] <EdePopede> is it possible to have a list of packages which could modify what is installed?
1601 [14:23:38] <__m4ch1n3__> EdePopede, i realized that i dont need most of DE functionality and switched from xfce to openbox session
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1606 [14:24:57] <__m4ch1n3__> openbox cpu usage is literally 0
1607 [14:25:14] <peaceguy> i love openbox :D
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1609 [14:27:12] <__m4ch1n3__> deinstalled also desktop file utils, because its pretty rare that i use some flash drives or external usb hdd
1610 [14:27:14] <EdePopede> __m4ch1n3__, i don't guess the situation with WMs is comparable to what it used to be many years back? i looked at a lot of them in those days, even CDE and twm and such oldtimers. only it was a hassle with most of them in some manner. restarting after every change or no usable icon box or horrible menu editing possibilities.... used fvwm(95) for some time and with the new PC (more power!!!) finally gave KDE
1611 [14:27:14] <EdePopede> a try and used it for years.
1612 [14:28:45] <__m4ch1n3__> would say kde eats most resources
1613 [14:29:01] <EdePopede> and the thing is, i prefer to build a system *up* rather then looking trough the packages and uninstalling. only i prefer to have a usable X setting and networking beforehand. But then... letting in what a need, want, and like.
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1615 [14:29:28] <__m4ch1n3__> lol i also disabled networkmanager
1616 [14:30:00] <EdePopede> __m4ch1n3__ that's why i never made it to KDE4. looked at it once while it arrived and decided to stay with 3. until i found my way back do debian.
1617 [14:31:01] <wonderer> what is openbox?
1618 [14:31:22] <EdePopede> i have some starting issues with this PC sometimes (or at least had before erm... stitch (correct?)). some were network not being up. took me some time to find out what i had to do to activate the interface.
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1620 [14:31:31] <__m4ch1n3__> im actually on a efficiency trip :)
1621 [14:31:40] <abrotman> EdePopede: it you do the base install, it's like 400MB I think .. if you start adding packages, yes, it goes up
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1623 [14:33:02] <__m4ch1n3__> used lot compiz in the past
1624 [14:33:14] <__m4ch1n3__> with xfce
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1627 [14:34:45] <irinix> anyone here have experience running debian in vbox behind PDANet+?
1628 [14:35:03] <at0m> dpkg: tell irinix about anyone
1629 [14:35:20] <__m4ch1n3__> what is PDANet
1630 [14:35:27] <EdePopede> abrotman: only /usr/share/libreoffice is roundabout 840MB. when in the install process is the selection made? or is this choosing the netinstall ISO?
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1633 [14:35:46] <irinix> PDANet is a hotspot app for android, it's how my host os (win10) get's internet
1634 [14:36:26] <__m4ch1n3__> moved from vbox to kvm some time ago ...
1635 [14:36:27] <EdePopede> wonderer: openbox one of the numerous windowmanagers.
1636 [14:36:38] <at0m> here, fluxbox on light or old machines. kde (not the meta-package!) on others, with fluxbox as fallback.
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1638 [14:36:57] <irinix> fluxbox is love, fluxbox is life
1639 [14:36:59] <__m4ch1n3__> fluxbox has no alt+tab switching
1640 [14:37:16] <at0m> __m4ch1n3__: sure it has. .fluxbox/keys
1641 [14:37:24] <irinix> if I could use fluxbox in seamless mode with vbox, i would be in heaven
1642 [14:37:28] <__m4ch1n3__> oh no wait, it was blackbox
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1645 [14:37:31] <__m4ch1n3__> true
1646 [14:37:47] <__m4ch1n3__> fluxbox has also a panel
1647 [14:37:52] <__m4ch1n3__> with taskbar
1648 [14:37:55] <EdePopede> which was the one with that cute water effect on the bottom part of the screen?
1649 [14:38:06] <at0m> /me doesn't do effects
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1651 [14:38:57] <EdePopede> oh i only remember it from back then when i tried 'em all out. liked it for some other reasons iirc
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1654 [14:40:08] <irinix> And why does debian refuse to default to numlock on?
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1658 [14:41:29] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe power saving because of numlock led :3
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1661 [14:41:38] <__m4ch1n3__> joke
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1663 [14:41:56] <irinix> lol, yes, let's save that .00001 watts
1664 [14:42:46] <EdePopede> my wireless keyboard doesn't have LEDs. so isn't it a bit more? or does logitech simply thinks it looks kewler without?
1665 [14:43:09] <irinix> logitech wants to push the Big ThirdPartySoftware agenda
1666 [14:44:51] <EdePopede> but yes, i don't understand this either. there has been the PC keyboard, then XT, then AT. and then M$ with its 3 extra keys, later media and makros. but still on a standard PC the numpad is forced into a clone of cursor keys mode.
1667 [14:44:53] <__m4ch1n3__> im sure there is a way to config numlock on by default, maybe with a udev rule
1668 [14:45:39] <irinix> well, I tried using numlockX but still everytime I reboot it's back to numlock off.
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1670 [14:46:32] <EdePopede> i type my digits there, so *should* i have some in my password i want to be able to use it. without first moving the cursor around the screen, especially on that LED-less keyboard. or after switching between X and tty (LED doesn't reflect the keyboard state then)
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1674 [14:48:46] <EdePopede> where is the numlock state stored actually? in a register on the kbd controller?
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1678 [14:49:04] <__m4ch1n3__> thats why i said udev rule, rule on dev is pluged in
1679 [14:49:15] <Allisora> MmMmM... replaced-url
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1682 [14:50:14] <__m4ch1n3__> but udev rules can be tricky
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1718 [15:05:05] <irinix> is it pronounced "reg-ex" or "re-jex"?
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1720 [15:05:42] <irinix> or "rej-ex"
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1722 [15:05:59] <irinix> (I use the last)
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1725 [15:07:03] <dvs> I also use the last.
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1728 [15:07:40] <irinix> 2/2 rej-ex confirmed. Let the holy war begin!
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1730 [15:07:53] <qman> I use "reg-ex", since it stands for "regular expressions", and "regular" has a hard G
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1732 [15:08:25] <irinix> but so much harder to say
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1734 [15:08:54] <irinix> pun not intended.
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1742 [15:13:36] <EdePopede> pronounced like German "Regentschaft" in opposition to English "regency". or regenerativ vs. regenerative. no problem with either of them. maybe a question of getting used to it.
1743 [15:13:49] <Annetia> Here you will find thousands of users who want sex - replaced-url
1744 [15:14:46] <irinix> So, is it Char or Char(Silent h)?
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1750 [15:15:42] <derby> Hi everyone. I'm using debian stretch and the tomcat service start does not work properly. The server is started but is returned "[FAIL] Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat8 failed!". How can I resolve please?
1751 [15:15:43] <EdePopede> you mean as in "KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!"? ;) but yes, ch is a bit special. greek inheritance.
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1753 [15:16:03] <derby> This is the log replaced-url
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1755 [15:16:06] <irinix> I much prefer the silent H.
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1758 [15:17:26] <EdePopede> irinix: are you in offtopic? never been there but maybe it would be a better place. users seeking support underway.
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1763 [15:19:09] <jelly> derby: does the process run after that?
1764 [15:19:34] <derby> yes
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1769 [15:22:09] <derby> jelly: but when i run "service tomcat8 status" i receive "[ ok ] Tomcat servlet engine is not running.."
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1780 [15:26:41] <derby> I think that "start-stop-daemon" at line 222 of /etc/init.d/tomcat8 does not work as it should
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1796 [15:36:09] <derby> jelly: I tried to add a not "!" to the condition and it seems to work as it should but I am not an expert.
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1826 [15:51:08] <Ansilera> MmMmMmM... replaced-url
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1855 [16:12:45] <pity> rk4: maybe, none dependencies are listed by `apt build-dep foo`, but they are listed by `apt install foo`.
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1857 [16:13:23] <rant> neither of those commands are for listing anything, they're for installing
1858 [16:14:26] <pity> rant: all dependencies are in my local mirror, but I'm running `apt build-dep foo` in a basic Debian system, none of those dependencies are installed.
1859 [16:15:03] <rant> is the package actually called foo or are you purposely being vague?
1860 [16:15:57] <pity> rant: the latter.
1861 [16:16:30] <rant> yeah well the look at apt policy and manpages and such and figure it out yourself then I guess
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1863 [16:16:55] <rant> because the kinds of things we'd need to tell you or that we'd need to see are specific to the secret package
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1866 [16:18:57] <pity> rant: this is my control file: replaced-url
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1870 [16:20:50] <pity> rant: here's the verbose output of apt install and build-dep: replaced-url
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1875 [16:22:24] <pity> rant: seems apt build-dep not recognizing the dependencies which apt install can
1876 [16:23:44] <Mariona> MmMmMmM... replaced-url
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1892 [16:34:25] <rant> jelly: your friend is back
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1895 [16:35:08] <rant> pity: idk but I see no documentation for Build-Depends it says this should be Depends same as the others
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1900 [16:37:17] <rant> nm I was reading the wrong section
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1911 [16:44:29] <pity> rant: maybe I put the dependencies in the wrong section, it should be in the source section, but not the package section
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1913 [16:45:16] <rant> pity: I see.. well sorry I am groggy and this isnt really an area of my expertise building packages and mirrors
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1918 [16:48:40] <pity> rant: thank you! you reminds me to compare other package, and I think that's the key, I'll confirm that tomorrow.
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1987 [17:28:56] <AquaL1te> isn't there a web dashboard for the debian bugs? i want to report a bug on a non-debian system. does that really go by mail + a specified mail format?
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1995 [17:34:29] <Epakai> AquaL1te: you can use reportbug with -o (output to a file) option, (maybe also --offline) on the affected system then send it from another machine
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1999 [17:37:34] <AquaL1te> Epakai: i have to install debian first then :P so i suppose this is really how it is
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2013 [17:43:19] <Epakai> the format isn't terribly complicated if you just want to send the mail. the maintainer can make necessary changes or requests if something is missing that reportbug would include
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2019 [17:48:33] <rant> AquaL1te: the standard headings really only need be a Package: foo \n Version: 1.0 lines at the top of the body and helps to do perhaps a dpkg -l foo bar baz and paste the output of that to show versions of other related packages perhaps, but really bare minimum you need only the Package and Version lines and some sort of information about what you did, what you expected, what happened, and any other
2020 [17:48:40] <rant> details you can give
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2027 [17:51:50] <pity> rant: I confirmed that. What I did wrong is I defined the dependecies in Package -> Depends, actually it should be Source -> Build-Depends.
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2071 [18:14:03] <AquaL1te> Epakai: quickly setup my raspberry pi with bugreport. the tui experience is quite nice. but still, would be nice to have a web interface for this :)
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2177 [19:28:36] <rocketmagnet> hi folks, i'm on a lenovo laptop and i sometimes want to use the external mouse - i find no option to disable the onkeyboard mouse when i plugin an external one :(
2178 [19:28:57] <rocketmagnet> also no fn-key for it :X
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2183 [19:33:36] <danielboston26> so there appears to be an issue if you use synaptic and then go back to using apt where it says your keys arent readable
2184 [19:34:19] <danielboston26> i guess this error can be safely ignored but shouldn't this issue be fixed by now? there are many bug reports about it
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2186 [19:34:24] <joepublic> Is such a general conclusion warranted?
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2190 [19:37:48] <danielboston26> joepublic, its confusing
2191 [19:38:10] <danielboston26> i like to use both synaptic and apt
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2193 [19:38:59] <joepublic> I use apt, apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, gdebi, gdebi-gtk, and sometimes tasksel, synaptic, and others.
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2195 [19:40:06] <danielboston26> joepublic, do you ever get that error?
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2198 [19:40:38] <danielboston26> i should say this is my assumption from reading bug reports im not sure if thats actaully the problem
2199 [19:41:00] <danielboston26> it doesn't seem to affect anything so i guess its not a problem but still
2200 [19:41:25] <joepublic> I don't recall any recent key complaints from any of these, but then I wouldn't, necessarily.
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2205 [19:44:04] <danielboston26> to chnage the subject is there a way to tell which graphics system debian is using? i want it to use the nividia card not the intel graphics
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2275 [20:27:01] <anddam> hello
2276 [20:27:39] <Tom-_> hello
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2281 [20:29:34] <sysadmin_wannabe> sup hackers :)
2282 [20:30:17] <anddam> on PDO I cnnot find a npm package for amd64, while I see it for other archs. Why is this?
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2284 [20:31:22] <anddam> more importantly, is there a recommended way to install npm using APT or should I go with its own installer?
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2286 [20:34:13] <sysadmin_wannabe> isnt npm included in node?
2287 [20:34:38] <sysadmin_wannabe> honest question (i'm a noob)
2288 [20:34:57] <AimHere> sysadmin_wannabe, It's not bundled with debian, AFAIR
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2295 [20:37:19] <anddam> sysadmin_wannabe: I thought so, but I checked the content of packages for paths endign with "npm" to no avail
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2298 [20:37:33] <anddam> AimHere: is there a reason for that?
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2300 [20:38:13] <AimHere> anddam, well I mean it's not bundled with the 'nodejs' package, It has it's own one, npm, which is decoupled, but I'm not sure why you're not seeing it for amd64
2301 [20:38:37] <AimHere> I'm on amd64 and I have it as part of the npm package
2302 [20:39:00] <AimHere> But I've not apt-get upgraded recently, so I'm not sure if things have changed
2303 [20:39:05] <sysadmin_wannabe> yeah, is bundled on ubuntu I just assumed that would be the case for Debian as well
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2312 [20:44:42] <noln> pdo has a package nm for 'all' architectures
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2314 [20:44:51] <noln> , npm
2315 [20:44:58] <noln> ,npm
2316 [20:45:04] <noln> ,v npm
2317 [20:45:06] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; buster: 5.8.0+ds6-2; sid: 5.8.0+ds6-2
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2394 [21:28:46] <neo4> who uses node.js for write shell scripts? :)
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2396 [21:29:13] <neo4> yes, javaScript is good for write shell scripts)
2397 [21:29:24] <sysadmin_wannabe> really?
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2399 [21:30:15] <neo4> sysadmin_wannabe: yes, I did a script that accept a path to dir and extension and return list of files.
2400 [21:30:15] <neo4> replaced-url
2401 [21:30:30] <neo4> it looks like bash, only easier to write
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2403 [21:30:57] <neo4> javaScript suport regext, you can easy write shell scripts with node.js
2404 [21:31:10] <Kelsar> neo4: bash supports regex too
2405 [21:31:31] <Kelsar> and that one is not easy to read at all
2406 [21:31:35] <sysadmin_wannabe> python supports it too
2407 [21:31:44] <neo4> Kelsar: you need know sed, This is difficult. I more like javaScript
2408 [21:31:51] <Kelsar> no sed needed
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2410 [21:31:52] <neo4> Kelsar: one language for everything
2411 [21:31:57] <Kelsar> just pure bash, like 2-3 lines
2412 [21:32:29] <Kelsar> not even.. like 1
2413 [21:32:45] <Kelsar> ls /path/*.ext
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2416 [21:32:54] <shynoob> hoi
2417 [21:32:57] <neo4> sysadmin_wannabe: python is less used than javaScript. nobody will use python for front end development. everybody knows javaScript
2418 [21:33:00] <shynoob> how to know how many cores I have?
2419 [21:33:09] <neo4> I think shell scripts much better write in javascript
2420 [21:33:11] <neo4> :)
2421 [21:33:12] <Kelsar> neo4: wow, you are so wrong
2422 [21:33:12] <shynoob> if I were to use make -j(number) command
2423 [21:33:26] <Kelsar> shynoob: nproc will tell how many threads
2424 [21:33:50] <shynoob> it says 4
2425 [21:33:58] <Kelsar> sysadmin_wannabe, neo4 python is way more used in admin jobs then js for sure
2426 [21:33:58] <at0m> shynoob: grep processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l
2427 [21:34:01] <shynoob> so shall I run make -j 4?
2428 [21:34:08] <Kelsar> shynoob: should be fine
2429 [21:34:14] <Kelsar> if you got enough ram
2430 [21:34:22] <shynoob> I've got 8Gb ram
2431 [21:34:42] <Kelsar> c++ stuff can use up to 2G per job, so yeah, you are fine
2432 [21:34:52] <shynoob> Kelsar .. it aint make -j5?
2433 [21:35:05] <Kelsar> shynoob: would be fine too, not much of a difference
2434 [21:35:07] <neo4> Kelsar: js anywhere on any sites, where is pythont? More people who know javaScript
2435 [21:35:13] <shynoob> ohk
2436 [21:35:32] <Kelsar> neo4: i talked about sysadmin stuff, like "shell scripts"
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2438 [21:36:05] <neo4> Kelsar: ok :)
2439 [21:36:10] <Kelsar> use the right tool for the job
2440 [21:36:20] <Kelsar> aside that, imho js is a horrible mess
2441 [21:36:21] <neo4> I think python is going to die
2442 [21:36:35] <neo4> the future is for javaScript)
2443 [21:36:41] <Kelsar> you should leave your filter bubble
2444 [21:36:49] * annadane screams and runs away
2445 [21:36:54] <sysadmin_wannabe> LOL
2446 [21:37:00] <Kelsar> webassembly is a think because people are sich of js
2447 [21:37:04] <Kelsar> sick
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2449 [21:37:09] <annadane> !start an editor war
2450 [21:37:09] <dpkg> xemacs users can't think straight!
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2452 [21:37:14] <sysadmin_wannabe> every one has it's purpose
2453 [21:37:16] <Kelsar> vim!
2454 [21:37:39] <sysadmin_wannabe> and that depends who you ask, that's for sure
2455 [21:37:54] <Kelsar> but why use 17 lines of js in a shell script instead of one simple line...
2456 [21:38:03] <Kelsar> not even the ls is needed
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2462 [21:38:54] <EdePopede> reason #1: "everyone" does it now.
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2539 [22:23:44] <ham5urg> Hi all, anyone here who can tell how to configure a specific microcode for CPU at boot?
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2543 [22:24:56] <ham5urg> I installed amd64-microcode and got the neweset microcode. Due to spectre bug the performance is bad. My server is enclosed in a private net so I would like to downgrade to a specific microcode for best performance.
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2546 [22:25:28] <Kelsar> ham5urg: instead just disable the workarounds on kernel cmdline?
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2548 [22:25:39] <ham5urg> did not help.
2549 [22:25:46] <ham5urg> tried already
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2553 [22:26:18] <ham5urg> but when I install my software on Ubuntu 16.04 I get the performance.
2554 [22:26:38] <ham5urg> the only diff. I've found is the microcode
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2557 [22:27:17] <ham5urg> I need an actual debian (new libs) with the performance of old Ubuntu
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2563 [22:29:03] <ChmEarl> ham5urg, rollback to pre Dec-2017
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2565 [22:29:40] <ChmEarl> or better, pre Jan-2018
2566 [22:29:53] <ham5urg> Why this date?
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2571 [22:31:28] <ham5urg> ChmEarl, is there a page I can see older versions of replaced-url
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2585 [22:36:37] <ham5urg> I found this, but without dates: replaced-url
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2588 [22:37:09] <ChmEarl> ham5urg, replaced-url
2589 [22:37:09] <ham5urg> got it, there are dates behind the links
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2591 [22:37:28] <ham5urg> thanks
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2652 [23:11:33] <ham5urg> When I look at package "dpkg -l amd64-microcode" I got version 3.20160316.3. Now I took a look at replaced-url
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2660 [23:14:13] <mspe> in stretch-backports, you have amd64-microcode v20180524
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2666 [23:17:14] <VinAlencc> Hey guys, how are you? I'm facing a problem with LDAP & MigrationTools. After edit /etc/migrationtools/migrate_common.ph, when I run /usr/share/migratetools/migrate_passwd.pl I get this message replaced-url
2667 [23:17:34] <VinAlencc> Could you give an orientation, please?
2668 [23:17:38] <ham5urg> mspe: thanks
2669 [23:18:58] <VinAlencc> I know there is an OpenLDAP's channel, but I sent a message there and nothing.
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2717 [23:54:10] <sysadmin_wannabe> how can I get X,Y positions from screen?
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2724 [23:57:49] <annadane> from screen the package or 'screen' as in your monitor
2725 [23:59:56] <sysadmin_wannabe> monitor
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