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11 [00:04:18] <fred``> my error: replaced-url
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17 [00:10:32] <rant> idk I havent fooled with it much, I messed a bit years ago with building digital turntables for scratching mp3s.. that sort of thing requires realtime operation
18 [00:11:41] <joepublic> fair enough.
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42 [00:21:25] <__m4ch1n3__> Huhu! I would like to enable bell audible with oga/ogg file playback instead of pcspkr beep in X11 """desktop enivorment""" is openbox-session & terminal-emulator is xterm
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48 [00:24:38] <__m4ch1n3__> is there some x-bell-however alternative i can update or something?
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50 [00:25:15] <__m4ch1n3__> *any
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89 [00:54:00] <ghormoon> hi, are nginx-extras in debian different prom nginx-extras from phusion repos? all what I find on the net for "unknown directive "passenger_enabled"" says to add phusion repos and install from there
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149 [01:09:13] <__m4ch1n3__> do I speak Chinese or what? lol :3
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153 [01:10:17] <joepublic> I dunno. Personally I don't speak ten words of Chinese. Not one of the languages I've learned.
154 [01:10:24] <fred``> 10
155 [01:10:26] <dfcnvt> Any one of you use automation with mouse, coordinates, sequence to specific pattern like AutoHotKey? Best alternative to Linux?
156 [01:11:35] <__m4ch1n3__> mouse buttons or relativ pointer?
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159 [01:12:40] <__m4ch1n3__> I want make /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/message.oga default audio bell sound without installing a full desktop enviroment. is there a way to do that with x11 tools?
160 [01:12:41] <dfcnvt> __m4ch1n3__: Any inputs by keyboard or mouse can be done automatically in AutoHotKey (AHK). I'm asking for the existing alternative to linux.
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162 [01:13:20] <joepublic> Well, in GNU/Linux the concepts of "the screen" and "the input device" don't apply, because there are zero or more of each and not "just the one"
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164 [01:13:37] <joepublic> So software such as you describe is less common within that environment.
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167 [01:14:07] <__m4ch1n3__> yes i understood that, my favourite is python-evdev, but it can only handle buttons and keys no relative stuff
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169 [01:14:59] <joepublic> there's something called autokeym replaced-url
170 [01:15:10] <joepublic> so, it's called autokey, not autokeym
171 [01:15:47] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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174 [01:17:21] <__m4ch1n3__> or try "apt-cache search evdev"
175 [01:18:10] <joepublic> Also possibly helpful might be the debian package wmctrl
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179 [01:20:58] <__m4ch1n3__> depends on what you want to do with it
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182 [01:21:39] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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185 [01:22:10] <nauticalnexus> Where would I get help for updating a package in Debian? Like.. grabbing the package, updating the source, and rebuilding the package
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189 [01:24:33] <joepublic> An observation, that's not the usual way. You need to do it this way for a specific reason, I take it.
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191 [01:25:01] <nauticalnexus> joepublic: yeah I want a .deb package :P
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193 [01:25:36] <joepublic> if you sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install packagename, that will update it.
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195 [01:26:00] <nauticalnexus> Nooo, no no, I mean.. I have Plasma 5.13.5. I want to get Plasma 5.14.2. It's not in the repositories yet
196 [01:26:13] <nauticalnexus> So I want to basically update it locally.
197 [01:26:36] <joepublic> And you want to build your own .deb file from upstream source.
198 [01:26:42] <nauticalnexus> Yes.
199 [01:27:04] <joepublic> this should get you started (or discouraged enough to try something else): replaced-url
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201 [01:27:32] <nauticalnexus> "discouraged enough to try something else"?
202 [01:27:48] <joepublic> the process is nontrivial.
203 [01:28:08] <nauticalnexus> This isn't my first time building a Debian package.
204 [01:28:19] <nauticalnexus> But this is definitely the largest one I've wanted to build.
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207 [01:29:12] <__m4ch1n3__> first you should get all build dependencies, "apt-get build-dep <pkg-name>"
208 [01:29:18] <nauticalnexus> did that
209 [01:32:19] <joepublic> testing is at 5.13.5; stable is at 5.8.6. You have this installed under stable?
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211 [01:32:36] <nauticalnexus> >.> <.<
212 [01:32:45] <nauticalnexus> I might or might not be on unstable
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214 [01:33:07] <joepublic> or, let us say, stable and unstable in a mix.
215 [01:33:38] <nauticalnexus> Yeah lets say that.
216 [01:34:12] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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220 [01:35:25] <joepublic> It's going to be tricky to match the way debian's maintainers have split plasma into separate packages, as indicated by the output of apt-cache search plasma|grep ^plasma
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222 [01:36:28] <nauticalnexus> wouldn't plasma-desktop pull in all of it?
223 [01:37:22] <joepublic> well, apt-show plasma-desktop and have a look at the dependencies. Many of those are bits of plasma supplied in various packages.
224 [01:37:52] <joepublic> that should of course say "apt show"
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226 [01:38:23] <nauticalnexus> Oh.
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232 [01:49:20] <trysten> I read that apt-get -f install would fix missing deps from a deb installed with dpkg -i. It's not working for me replaced-url
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235 [01:50:20] <rant> trysten: use gdebi to install debs with dependency resolution
236 [01:50:38] <joepublic> good answer.
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239 [01:52:00] <rant> it works on the commandline or as a gui
240 [01:52:07] <trysten> that's what i would have used but I wondered if there was a more debonic way. I suppose the debian way is to install the deps from the list lol
241 [01:52:25] <rant> yes not to use 3rd paty debs
242 [01:52:30] <agio> is that because dpkg can't read the control file and pull in dependencies as needed, i.e. generally only the apt* family of softwares can do that?
243 [01:52:34] <rant> but this is what gdebi is for
244 [01:52:48] <bites> apt install ./synergy-v1.8.8-stable-Linux-x86_64.deb
245 [01:52:55] <joepublic> dpkg just does what you tell it; it infers nothing.
246 [01:52:56] <dpkg> joepublic: no idea
247 [01:53:01] <joepublic> see?
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249 [01:53:19] <trysten> agio: apt-get -f doesn't automatically resolve dem
250 [01:53:19] <agio> lol
251 [01:53:29] <agio> ah
252 [01:53:31] <agio> ok
253 [01:53:34] <rant> dpkg, yinzersmite joepublic
254 [01:53:34] * dpkg pooshes joepublic aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere".
255 [01:54:42] <nauticalnexus> does dpkg have a gender
256 [01:54:50] <rant> dpkg, gender?
257 [01:54:50] <dpkg> I'm female
258 [01:54:56] <nauticalnexus> Ooooh snaaap
259 [01:54:59] <nauticalnexus> I'm interested
260 [01:55:05] <rant> dpkg, gender?
261 [01:55:05] <dpkg> I'm male
262 [01:55:09] <rant> :P
263 [01:55:09] <nauticalnexus> Never mind
264 [01:55:50] <rant> dpkg might be a liar
265 [01:55:50] <dpkg> wish i knew, rant
266 [01:56:02] <nauticalnexus> dpkg might possibly be female
267 [01:56:03] <dpkg> nauticalnexus: are you using Windows?
268 [01:56:10] <nauticalnexus> How is that relevant
269 [01:56:24] <nauticalnexus> dpkg might also be into other females
270 [01:56:24] <dpkg> nauticalnexus: I wish you would RTFM.
271 [01:56:32] <trysten> the problem is lack of libcurl3 in testing. makes sense, it's an older package
272 [01:56:32] <nauticalnexus> oh wow.
273 [01:56:40] <joepublic> the answer to many questions varies upon whether the asker is running windows.
274 [01:56:58] <nauticalnexus> I can tell you I'm 100% running some variant of Debian.
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279 [01:57:31] <joepublic> I am running wheezy-jessie-stretch-buster with extra packages on the side.
280 [01:57:37] <charliebrownau> Gday
281 [01:57:39] <joepublic> And I wish that wasn't a true story, but it is.
282 [01:57:40] <nauticalnexus> lol
283 [01:57:43] <charliebrownau> Happy halaween
284 [01:59:57] <joepublic> I forget what from wheezy, something to do with the "Task Coach" todo list software I think
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309 [02:18:38] <__m4ch1n3__> wtf is wheezy-jessie-stretch-buster lol
310 [02:18:57] <rant> !frankendebian
311 [02:18:57] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
312 [02:19:08] <__m4ch1n3__> loool
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314 [02:19:32] <joepublic> I actually support my own, so it's good. Haven't reinstalled this frankendebian for something like 3 or 4 years, either
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318 [02:20:22] <joepublic> But I confess that my sources.list and sources.list.d/* are great examples of "never do this"
319 [02:20:41] <nauticalnexus> using ubuntu ppa's on debian
320 [02:20:47] <nyov> joepublic: o7
321 [02:20:51] <nyov> same here
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323 [02:21:22] <joepublic> well, I want to say no, no ubuntu PPAs, but actually I can't say that for sure without looking.
324 [02:21:32] <nauticalnexus> lol
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329 [02:22:04] <nauticalnexus> I used to use an ubuntu ppa with Debian sid so I could have the absolute latest stable mesa
330 [02:22:10] <nauticalnexus> worked out.. pretty fine actually.
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334 [02:22:36] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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336 [02:22:40] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
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338 [02:22:51] <__m4ch1n3__> after every update
339 [02:22:57] <comet23> what is the right version of debian for the ps3?
340 [02:22:57] <__m4ch1n3__> *upgrade
341 [02:23:07] <nauticalnexus> o.O
342 [02:23:49] <joepublic> well "it's alive" depends on how the apt update process goes of course.
343 [02:24:02] <comet23> anyone???
344 [02:24:03] <comet23> =(
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346 [02:24:14] <comet23> i'm trying to install debian on my playstation
347 [02:24:21] <nauticalnexus> People still try to use Linux on playstations?
348 [02:24:44] <nauticalnexus> The PS3 barely runs its own system software..
349 [02:24:47] <comet23> my other computer broke, i can't afford a new computer (even a used one) and i have a ps3
350 [02:25:06] <comet23> from what i've seen it ran linux quite well
351 [02:25:11] <comet23> (a lot better than my rpi 3)
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353 [02:25:12] <joepublic> the let-me-google-that-for-you process reveals: replaced-url
354 [02:25:20] <__m4ch1n3__> has your ps3 a modchip?
355 [02:25:32] <comet23> no modchip
356 [02:25:37] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
357 [02:25:42] <comet23> joepublic: that says nothing about the processor
358 [02:25:45] <nauticalnexus> oboi
359 [02:25:48] <__m4ch1n3__> this not gonna work
360 [02:25:50] <l1nuxg33k> Depends on what version ps3 you have
361 [02:25:51] <nauticalnexus> lol processor
362 [02:25:56] <comet23> i have the slim
363 [02:25:59] <nauticalnexus> cpu is irrelevant
364 [02:26:03] <nauticalnexus> it's the same for every ps3
365 [02:26:13] <nauticalnexus> but for fun, it's a ppc
366 [02:26:25] <comet23> what i don't understand is what kind of ppc
367 [02:26:38] <nauticalnexus> think it's a 32
368 [02:26:44] <joepublic> apparently there is a #debian-ps3 channel on OFTC. huh.
369 [02:26:47] <comet23> thank you :)
370 [02:26:50] <nauticalnexus> but I don't believe any kind of standard ppc iso will work
371 [02:27:01] <nauticalnexus> the ps3's hardware is very very custom.
372 [02:27:15] <joepublic> nauticalnexus, perhaps you should read replaced-url
373 [02:27:15] <comet23> that's what i'm thinking too
374 [02:27:31] <nauticalnexus> joepublic: I know that you can run Linux on PS3's
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376 [02:28:24] <comet23> there are only 2 people on the debian ps3 channel lol
377 [02:28:29] <nauticalnexus> rip
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379 [02:28:54] <joepublic> good, good. that will serve to indicate the size and amount of community support you can expect.
380 [02:29:04] <nauticalnexus> Basically.
381 [02:29:27] <nauticalnexus> wasn't there another distro specifically for running Linux on PS3s?
382 [02:29:27] <comet23> thanks jerks
383 [02:29:31] <nauticalnexus> and ppc in general
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387 [02:29:42] <nauticalnexus> something dog linux
388 [02:29:50] <__m4ch1n3__> oh looks like there is a softmod
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390 [02:29:53] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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393 [02:30:05] <nauticalnexus> ah yes risk bricking your PS3
394 [02:30:05] <comet23> yellow dog linux is dead
395 [02:30:07] <__m4ch1n3__> but have no idea if the site is legit
396 [02:30:09] <nauticalnexus> YES that's it
397 [02:30:10] <comet23> no update since 2012
398 [02:30:15] <nauticalnexus> Wow that sucks.
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400 [02:30:24] <comet23> i've already gotten custom firmware on my ps3
401 [02:30:27] <nauticalnexus> Well what can you expect for a console from 2006 or something
402 [02:30:30] <comet23> nothing bricked
403 [02:30:37] <comet23> i expect it to last a lifetime
404 [02:30:42] <comet23> i am tired of spending money
405 [02:30:44] <nauticalnexus> pfffft
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407 [02:30:46] <comet23> i have no more money to spend
408 [02:30:53] * comet23 wishes he wasn't broke
409 [02:30:55] <nauticalnexus> Sorry but a PS3 isn't going to last a lifetime.
410 [02:31:00] <comet23> it lasted this long
411 [02:31:09] <nauticalnexus> Yeah so has my fat PS3
412 [02:31:17] <nauticalnexus> but it's overheating and slowly dying.
413 [02:31:22] <comet23> that's okay
414 [02:31:28] <nauticalnexus> overheating is okay.
415 [02:31:34] <comet23> use it until it dies
416 [02:31:51] <nauticalnexus> I'd rather not because it's one of the last ones to have backwards compat
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418 [02:32:11] <comet23> i have a fat one and a slim
419 [02:32:26] <nauticalnexus> Oh so you know how slow it is
420 [02:32:30] <comet23> the slim i got for 'free' from a sonystyle store promotion
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422 [02:32:49] <comet23> buy a tv get 'free' ps3
423 [02:33:24] <comet23> ps5 will have backwards compatibility
424 [02:33:25] <nauticalnexus> "buy a tv and get an already outdated console"
425 [02:33:33] <comet23> this was in 2010
426 [02:33:34] <comet23> lol
427 [02:33:37] <nauticalnexus> they said that about the ps4
428 [02:33:44] <nauticalnexus> Hey, statement still stands :3
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436 [02:34:57] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
437 [02:35:21] <nauticalnexus> huh. interesting.
438 [02:35:31] <nauticalnexus> so it's still big endian yeah?
439 [02:35:42] <nauticalnexus> that's gonna suck.
440 [02:36:31] <nauticalnexus> Speaking from experience. Hope you like using outdated Firefox.
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470 [02:56:39] <comet23> stupid question, but can i run the same debian apps on red ribbon?
471 [02:56:44] <comet23> like i want to code on it
472 [02:57:48] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm if you can make petitboot run then you should be able run orginal debian
473 [02:57:59] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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475 [02:58:55] <ioummu> ppc64?
476 [02:59:21] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm powerpc port
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479 [02:59:56] <nauticalnexus> ioummu: ps3. so ppc, 32 bit
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481 [03:03:07] <__m4ch1n3__> petitboot github seems to be active, last release is from august so maybe you have luck
482 [03:03:11] <ioummu> apps are different
483 [03:03:23] <comet23> all of this stuff works
484 [03:03:26] <jken> !simple sid backports
485 [03:03:27] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
486 [03:03:36] <comet23> i'm just trying to find the one that i can have support
487 [03:03:44] <comet23> because i would like to use it as a regular desktop
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489 [03:04:00] <ioummu> debian for ppc64 big endian
490 [03:04:25] <__m4ch1n3__> *ppc32
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493 [03:04:47] <ioummu> no little endian
494 [03:04:59] <ioummu> 64 != 32
495 [03:05:27] <ioummu> then you can't to do it in simple way
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497 [03:06:09] <comet23> okay i am downloading gentoo
498 [03:06:14] <comet23> thanks everyone
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504 [03:09:43] <rant> I'd just switched from MATE to XFCE on Stretch and now opening chromium is telling me my keyring was not unlocked on login and repeats the dialog to enter a password numerous times, does anyone know how to address this? I dont use passwords, I use fprintd, only passwords are for the LUKS keys.
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624 [04:43:07] <rant> well I got things partially working.. not only was chromium popping up that dialog like 4 or more times on launch, but synaptic wouldnt work either.. after fiddling around with the session manager and adding some startup services I got synaptic coming up asking for a fingerprint then launching.. but chromium is still bitching
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645 [04:58:24] <rant> ps lists for MATE: replaced-url
646 [04:58:40] <rant> doesnt do that in MATE only in XFCE
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648 [05:01:20] <ross`> Anyone here use nginx? If so would you recommend that I use the debian package or install a later version?
649 [05:01:53] <rant> this is a debian stable support channel, we always recommend you use the debian packages
650 [05:01:57] <rant> ,v nginx
651 [05:01:58] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports: 1.14.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.0-1; sid: 1.14.0-1
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653 [05:02:39] <rant> the latest release is in stretch-backports anyhow
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655 [05:03:09] <rant> 1.14.0 was released 6mo ago and is the latest stable release upstream
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658 [05:06:42] * rant shrugs
659 [05:06:52] <ross`> rant: I appreciate your help!
660 [05:06:58] <ross`> Have a wonderful evening.
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662 [05:07:05] <rant> yeah well, I'd appreciate some too but I'm not gettin any :P
663 [05:07:22] <rant> I get no respect</rodney dangerfield>
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665 [05:08:51] <rant> everything that could possibly be needed for any sort of auth/keyring shit seems to be getting started with XFCE now, yet chromium is still bitching.. idk
666 [05:09:33] <rant> If I could figure this crap out, I'm ready to just remove MATE..
667 [05:11:03] <rant> only other thing I can think of is get rid of whatever keyring files are in the homedir and let XFCE start fresh.. I dont see any keyring config tool anywhere in XFCE
668 [05:11:45] <ross`> gpg?
669 [05:12:22] <rant> /usr/bin/gpg-agent --supervised is running when logging in either way
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672 [05:12:54] <rant> but in MATE chromium starts without issue, in XFCE it starts and I gotta cancel 4 dialogs saying keyring was not unlocked at login
673 [05:13:04] <aloo_shu> rant not sure if that is it, but xfce session & startup settings have checkboxes to enable gnome & kde services, respectively. could be that gnome-keyring needs to be running
674 [05:13:26] <rant> yes, thats enabled, and as you could see.. gnome-keyring is running
675 [05:13:50] <rant> XFCE: replaced-url
676 [05:14:53] <rant> yet in MATE chromium starts without dialogs, in XFCE it starts and I gott click cancel 4 times on this dialog saying keyring wasnt nlocked on login.. only passwords are my LUKS key and SSH key passwords.. everything else on this system uses fprintd.. and this isnt asking for a fingerprint
677 [05:15:15] <rant> I have no password to give it
678 [05:15:40] <__m4ch1n3__> rant, had same problem, no chromium logins without giving sudo passwd on start for keyring, its now fixed in testing
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680 [05:16:47] <__m4ch1n3__> in *chrome
681 [05:16:52] <__m4ch1n3__> not chromium
682 [05:16:56] <aloo_shu> hmm, five lines for gnome-keyring, is that started, or given up on it?
683 [05:17:56] <__m4ch1n3__> you have to unlock the keyring everytime you start the browser or you will have no access to saved logins
684 [05:17:58] <aloo_shu> or five instances?
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690 [05:20:00] <__m4ch1n3__> ... its a chrome/chromium issue
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702 [05:31:32] <rant> yes well it works in MATE
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704 [05:31:47] <rant> so I think its something about whatever keyring its talking about is not working in XFCE
705 [05:32:24] <rant> which as I said, only thing I can think of is hosing the settings and letting XFCE start fresh.. I could try making a new user with no config and see if it works
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710 [05:35:44] <rant> yes, a new user chrome starts without issues
711 [05:35:50] <rant> just as this user does in MATE
712 [05:37:35] <rant> so its some issue with the keyrings and them not working in XFCE or not being able to be used across multiple DE or something
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715 [05:39:00] <rant> cause I installed this system with MATE and it works, but after installing XFCE it nags me repeatedly saying the keyring wasnt unlocked at login
716 [05:39:08] <jken> Is it possible for apt to tell me all packages which place files in a particular directory
717 [05:39:09] <jken> ?
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719 [05:39:45] <rant> I know dpkg -S
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721 [05:40:30] <rant> i.e. dpkg -S /usr/bin
722 [05:41:02] <rant> so the answer is no, but dpkg can :P
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726 [05:44:33] <jken> I am trying to find what provides the file in this error:
727 [05:44:34] <jken> I: [pulseaudio] (alsa-lib)utils.c: could not open configuration file /usr/share/alsa/ucm/Intel HDMI/DP LPE Audio/Intel HDMI/DP LPE Audio.conf
728 [05:45:32] <jken> I had installed pulseaudio from sid on stretch, and things worked great until I had to update my system. So now I am trying to keep things entirely on stretch and backport pulseaudio 12.2-2 from sid-src
729 [05:45:43] <rant> ls -l /usr/share/alsa/ucm/Intel\ HDMI/DP\ LPE\ Audio/Intel\ HDMI/DP\ LPE\ Audio.conf
730 [05:46:19] <rant> yes well installing pulse from sid was a bad idea
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733 [05:46:42] <jken> thats why I am trying to do things properly now
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736 [05:47:11] <jken> I can't ls -l it, it does not exist.
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738 [05:47:51] <rant> jken: unless you reinstalled your whole system, the damage was already done
739 [05:47:59] <jken> rant, i did
740 [05:48:15] <jken> brand new stretch system
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742 [05:51:03] <rant> jken: why are you doing this in the first place? what is your original issue you did all wrong?
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744 [05:51:40] <jken> rant, no sound on my hardware, its an issue that was fixed upstream in pulse 12.2, which is only on sid/buster
745 [05:52:02] <jken> things worked perfectly when I installed the pulseaudio package from sid.
746 [05:52:11] <jken> but of course, frakendebian
747 [05:52:28] <__m4ch1n3__> "things worked perfectly when I installed the pulseaudio package from sid"
748 [05:52:36] <__m4ch1n3__> never tuch a running system
749 [05:52:39] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
750 [05:52:44] <__m4ch1n3__> *touch
751 [05:52:52] <rant> yes well installing pulseaudio from sid means you upgraded to sid
752 [05:52:57] <jken> now that i've gone back to a clean stretch installed, and did the proper backport compilation from sid's deb-src, pulse is saying it can't open that file for my hardware
753 [05:53:07] <rant> because it depends on libc6 > stretch
754 [05:53:07] <jken> rant, I've completely reimaged my device since then
755 [05:53:27] <jken> From a clean stretch image, I did this:
756 [05:53:30] <jken> !simple sid backports
757 [05:53:30] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
758 [05:53:39] <rant> yes I know all about ssb
759 [05:53:51] <rant> ,checkbackport pulseaudio
760 [05:53:52] <judd> Backporting package pulseaudio in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 11).
761 [05:54:03] <rant> I also know all about that too
762 [05:54:16] <jken> debhelper 11 is in stretch-backports, which judd does not check.
763 [05:54:36] <rant> ,v debhelper-compat
764 [05:54:37] <judd> No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64.
765 [05:54:45] <rant> ,v debhelper
766 [05:54:46] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.20120909; jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 10.2.5~bpo8+1; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 11.3.5~bpo9+1; buster: 11.5; sid: 11.5.1
767 [05:55:42] <rant> pulseaudio is not a driver framework.. it would not make or break your sound
768 [05:55:54] <rant> thats determined by alsa and the kernel
769 [05:56:00] <__m4ch1n3__> yeah alsa is the driver or?
770 [05:56:11] <jken> Yes
771 [05:56:20] <rant> alsa is both the kernel subsystem as well as userland utilities
772 [05:56:34] <jken> I've been around the block with the guys over in #pulseaudio, we determine it was an issue in module-alsa-sound that was fixed in pulse 12
773 [05:56:50] <rant> pulse is just a sound daemon for controlling sinks/sources and mixing at application level
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775 [05:57:11] <rant> well the thing is the file mentioned in that error is not provided by any package even in sid
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779 [05:59:25] <rant> no sound when using pulse..
780 [05:59:37] <rant> to say no sound on your hardware is inaccurate
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782 [05:59:51] <rant> however since this is merely a config file, if this is the only problem, its a rather simple one
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784 [06:00:46] <jken> I tried using the online debian package search tool, didn't find anything either, but was hoping I just was not looking in the right place
785 [06:01:10] <jken> I can't find anything by the name of that file online iether
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788 [06:04:17] <rant> jken: idk how but you got off down a rabbit hole that had nothing to do with your issue
789 [06:04:55] <rant> jken: if your sound wasnt working it had nothing to do with pulseaudio.. this is an alsa thing.. those config files are alsa configs, and being that you dont have them, as you now know.. doesnt matter than you have a new pulse
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791 [06:05:08] <rant> jken: what sid probably had that fixed your issue was a new kernel and new alsa
792 [06:05:37] <rant> jken: so you once again went all frankendebian probably for nothing.. although you did so less destructively this time around, it was just as pointless
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794 [06:07:25] <pingfloyd> holy XY-problem batman!
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796 [06:08:23] <rant> jken: can you as root do something like (aplay -l; aplay -L; lspci -nn; dmesg) > log then goto paste.debian.net and upload that file "log" ?
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798 [06:09:22] <rant> cause I got a hunch as to where your problem lies but I'd kinda like to know more about the lower levels here.. cause I'm pretty sure any pulseaudio woes are merely incidental if not irrelevant
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810 [06:24:05] <__m4ch1n3__> (aplay -l; aplay -L; lspci -nn; dmesg) | nc termbin.com 9999
811 [06:24:14] <__m4ch1n3__> lazy variant
812 [06:24:33] <rant> yeah well that was like 20 min ago and no response. so..
813 [06:25:03] <rant> they're probably off doing more stuff to futher complicate the issue
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818 [06:28:35] <__m4ch1n3__> pulse + jack + jack patchbay construct
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821 [06:35:23] <RandomSerb> hello
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823 [06:35:35] <RandomSerb> I've big timezone issues
824 [06:35:53] <RandomSerb> When installing debian, I didn't want to set my real location, to avoid changing system language
825 [06:36:00] <rant> I doubt that.. all timezones are roughly the same size :P
826 [06:36:04] <RandomSerb> so, I set USA
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829 [06:36:29] <RandomSerb> now, all my times in browsers, like facebook, google and others, are set to us timezone
830 [06:36:47] <RandomSerb> I ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, set proper timezone, restarted browser
831 [06:36:51] <RandomSerb> but still the same
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833 [06:37:09] <rant> does the system clock show the correct time?
834 [06:37:18] <RandomSerb> rant, yes
835 [06:37:31] <RandomSerb> I removed timezone from clock widget,and it shows correct time
836 [06:38:10] <RandomSerb> rant, milos@debian:~$ date
837 [06:38:10] <RandomSerb> Sat Nov 3 06:37:56 CET 2018
838 [06:38:22] <RandomSerb> so yeah, that's good
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840 [06:38:35] <RandomSerb> maybe reinstall chromium would help?
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842 [06:39:20] <rant> as ford said to those at the pub, when they asked if they should lie down and put a paper bag over their heads.. I say, "if you like"
843 [06:39:36] <rant> 'course they then asked "Will it help?" and he said "not at all"
844 [06:40:35] <__m4ch1n3__> did you logout after -reconfigure tzdata?
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848 [06:40:45] <RandomSerb> __m4ch1n3__, no
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850 [06:41:06] <RandomSerb> lemme do it now
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852 [06:41:09] <rant> you may want to logout of facebook.. clear your browser cache, then login again
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854 [06:41:17] <RandomSerb> rant I did that
855 [06:41:32] <__m4ch1n3__> :D no logout session
856 [06:41:46] <__m4ch1n3__> X11 session
857 [06:41:57] <__m4ch1n3__> or service lightdm restart
858 [06:42:07] <RandomSerb> rant, I asked whether re-installing would help because, I've installed app from source, not from repo, and it's the only app showing proper time
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863 [06:43:24] * rant shrugs
864 [06:43:30] <rant> sounds like a PICNIC to me
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866 [06:43:50] <RandomSerb> yep, that worked! thanks.
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869 [06:44:48] <__m4ch1n3__> PICNIC?
870 [06:45:07] <rant> Problem In Chair Not In Computer
871 [06:45:13] <__m4ch1n3__> lol
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874 [06:46:16] <RandomSerb> lmao, well, yeah, kinda :)
875 [06:46:21] <rabbitear_sdf> problem in mind
876 [06:46:27] <rabbitear_sdf> not in chair
877 [06:46:37] <rant> also known as PEBCAK
878 [06:46:52] <RandomSerb> yeah, certainly, in chair of a person who worked on relevant part of debian :)
879 [06:46:53] <rant> Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
880 [06:47:15] <rant> when such things happen, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue
881 [06:47:21] <rabbitear_sdf> problem is education sucks.
882 [06:47:25] <RandomSerb> hnyjgtf
883 [06:47:50] <rabbitear_sdf> don't know how to setup a healthy living situtation
884 [06:47:56] <rabbitear_sdf> replaced-url
885 [06:48:11] <RandomSerb> well, I definitely should've known better, to log out and try again
886 [06:48:30] <rabbitear_sdf> oh well, learning
887 [06:48:42] <RandomSerb> btw, is it a xfce4 thing that I can resize my windows with mouse only by top left and right window corners?
888 [06:49:03] <RandomSerb> resizing by dragging left and right bottom corners doesn't work.
889 [06:49:16] <rant> works fine for me
890 [06:49:22] <RandomSerb> on xfce?
891 [06:49:23] <__m4ch1n3__> login in facbook :3
892 [06:49:33] <rant> no, on windows :P yes on xfce
893 [06:49:45] <RandomSerb> windows is not a de!! :P
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895 [06:49:53] <rant> is there a frame all the way around the window?
896 [06:49:57] <RandomSerb> hmm, could it be due to a theme I installed?
897 [06:50:03] <rant> probably, yes
898 [06:50:18] <rant> which is why I asked if there waqs a frame all the way around the window
899 [06:50:21] <RandomSerb> rant, how could theme have changed that?
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901 [06:50:35] <rant> because there is not a frame all the way around the window.. heh
902 [06:50:43] <RandomSerb> nope, there's no frame all around the window
903 [06:50:47] <rant> should I say it a few more times or are you getting it..
904 [06:50:51] <rant> heh
905 [06:50:54] <RandomSerb> yeah,I get it
906 [06:51:01] <__m4ch1n3__> sounds like a window decoration thing
907 [06:51:08] <rant> the frame is what tells the cursor its within a different context
908 [06:51:23] <RandomSerb> __m4ch1n3__, I would expect frame to still exist, but be invisible, given theming
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910 [06:51:31] <RandomSerb> rant, ^
911 [06:51:33] <__m4ch1n3__> xfce4 > setting > window behaviour maybe?
912 [06:51:35] <rant> click+drag on the frame is a resize, but click+drag on a window itself is not
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914 [06:51:49] <rant> no, it probably doesnt have one
915 [06:51:52] <agio> RandomSerb: what fixed the problem? re-installing chromium?
916 [06:51:57] <rant> you're thinking of skinning
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919 [06:52:04] <rant> themes arent merely skins
920 [06:52:24] <RandomSerb> agio, nope, logging out and logging in again
921 [06:52:34] <RandomSerb> actually service lightdm restart
922 [06:52:39] <RandomSerb> but I believe that's it
923 [06:53:22] <agio> is restarting your display manager the same as logging out ? what DE are you using?
924 [06:53:30] <RandomSerb> rant, yeah, I understand what's the issue. But, as I said, I would expect for all windows to always have a frame, just allow skins to make it transparent or something...
925 [06:53:41] <RandomSerb> agio, xfce
926 [06:53:59] <rabbitear_sdf> agio: yes
927 [06:54:07] <ioummu> var="w1 \"w2 w3\" w4"; exec $var wrong parsing! why?
928 [06:54:23] <rant> RandomSerb: nope.. some have only top frames, and some have the titlebar on side instead of top..etc
929 [06:54:29] <__m4ch1n3__> sure if tty7 is the only one where you logged in restart liǵhtdm will log you out
930 [06:54:40] <rant> RandomSerb: you're thinking of something that is merely skinned.. a theme is more than just a visual thing
931 [06:54:41] <RandomSerb> rant, well, I do understand. it just doesn't make sense
932 [06:54:55] <rabbitear_sdf> ioummu: in bash, that is "w1 (w2 w3) w4"
933 [06:54:57] <rant> RandomSerb: you're the one who chose the theme.. :P
934 [06:55:20] <RandomSerb> rant, I'm not talking about theme now. Rather DE design.
935 [06:55:24] <agio> must be DE specific? logging out and restarting your Xserver and window manager must be separate things right?
936 [06:55:38] <RandomSerb> and not design as in aesthetics, but system design
937 [06:55:48] <agio> the main thing about logging out must re-invoke all the systemd pam stuff - I guess?
938 [06:55:56] <rant> RandomSerb: you're thinking too narrowly
939 [06:55:57] <RandomSerb> agio, it logged me out
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941 [06:56:12] <rabbitear_sdf> when you quit X, you log out
942 [06:56:12] <RandomSerb> rant, how so?
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944 [06:56:18] <__m4ch1n3__> have autologin configured in lightdm, so restart lightdm logs me out and in
945 [06:56:23] <rabbitear_sdf> you have no session anymore
946 [06:56:27] <rant> RandomSerb: there has to be ways do draw windows with different frame styles.. consider transient windows and things like pull down menus and such
947 [06:56:50] <rant> RandomSerb: you just so happen to be using settings that treats all windows more like this
948 [06:57:34] <RandomSerb> rant, different frame styles as in: make top and right gray, but bottom and left frame side transparent, yeah, that makes sense. In that case, window would still have all the frames
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950 [06:57:47] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm qubes os has diffrent color themes for every vm domain
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952 [06:58:11] <agio> having no X session must be different to your user login though ? as far as logind and pam are concerned right?
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954 [06:58:15] <rant> RandomSerb: no.. then your apps menu or such would have space there where the frame should be and would be a floating window like any other
955 [06:58:15] <RandomSerb> rant, thanks for explaining, but, again, I do understand what's the problem. Makes perfect sense. What I'm saying is that this could have be done better
956 [06:58:23] <RandomSerb> on a system/DE side
957 [06:58:34] <rabbitear_sdf> it is a new day
958 [06:58:40] <rant> RandomSerb: no, it was a theme designers choice.. and your choice to use that theme
959 [06:58:43] <rabbitear_sdf> this is a beautiful day
960 [06:58:53] <RandomSerb> rant, not true, frame would still eb there, just transparent
961 [06:59:01] <rant> IT WOULDNT WORK THAT WAY
962 [06:59:06] <RandomSerb> why not?
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964 [06:59:23] <__m4ch1n3__> BECAUSE
965 [06:59:29] <rant> install sawfish and mate-panel and put a drawer on the panel..
966 [06:59:32] <RandomSerb> lol
967 [06:59:43] <rant> and watch how a pull-down drawer becomes a floating window
968 [06:59:50] <rant> because the wm is outdated and cant handle it properly
969 [07:00:00] <rant> that's what would happen if it werent designed that way
970 [07:00:24] <rant> everything that popped out content would be treated like a floating window, be spaced for the space of the title bar and frame even if you couldnt see em
971 [07:00:39] <rant> instead there are different types of windows and frames, and this is standard
972 [07:00:55] <rant> and its communicated via something called Extended Window Manager Hints (EWMH)
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974 [07:01:17] <RandomSerb> didn't know that. I'll look into it, just for the pleasure of knowing how it works
975 [07:01:20] <RandomSerb> thanks for explaining
976 [07:01:26] <rant> thus you can use apps and utils that send these hints to have consistent behavior across all environments
977 [07:01:37] <RandomSerb> unfortunately can't follow you know, as I obviously misunderstand the basics
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980 [07:02:07] <RandomSerb> s/know/now
981 [07:02:21] <rant> yeah well if you're new to freedesktop, linux, or FOSS, its understandable.. the "basics" are not so "basic" compared to Windows(tm)
982 [07:02:37] <rant> lots of moving parts
983 [07:02:50] <rabbitear_sdf> actually alot easier
984 [07:03:09] <RandomSerb> rant, the thing is I'm not new to linux and foss at all :)
985 [07:03:13] <RandomSerb> class of 2004
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987 [07:03:34] <RandomSerb> started with ubuntu when they were shipping installation CDs for free
988 [07:03:35] <RandomSerb> :)
989 [07:03:48] *** Quits: devbaka (~devbaka@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
990 [07:03:52] <RandomSerb> and the prerequisite was to order at least 50 :)
991 [07:04:01] <rant> yeah well back then all these standards werent in place
992 [07:04:03] <RandomSerb> for free, of coure
993 [07:04:09] <RandomSerb> *course
994 [07:04:30] <rant> but old WM like sawfish still recognized the different frame styles and such, its just that there was no freedestop EWMH
995 [07:04:52] <RandomSerb> rant, yeah. the biggest issue we all had is that we needed to download modem drivers for ubuntu. which we needed internet for, and consequently operating modems :)
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997 [07:04:59] <rant> nowadays things are more consistent
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1000 [07:05:20] <__m4ch1n3__> started with ubuntu too a decade ago, it was a 10/10 os, but it turned into a buggy poor mans debian tbh
1001 [07:05:22] <rabbitear_sdf> pppoe stuff?
1002 [07:05:34] <rabbitear_sdf> thats not modem drivers exactly
1003 [07:05:51] <rant> I been on Debian since like 2003, tried a few others before that
1004 [07:06:23] <RandomSerb> on a totally unrelated note: is there a reason that no fos community can come up with a decent DE and WM, other than not caring?
1005 [07:06:42] <RandomSerb> rabbitear_sdf, 56k modems
1006 [07:06:51] <RandomSerb> I'm in serbia, not western countries...
1007 [07:06:55] <rant> we got 7 of em in Debian alone, you not happy with any of em?
1008 [07:06:57] <rabbitear_sdf> serial port
1009 [07:07:07] <__m4ch1n3__> coaxial cable
1010 [07:07:09] <rabbitear_sdf> those drivers are long been done
1011 [07:07:17] <RandomSerb> em?
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1013 [07:07:26] <rant> them
1014 [07:07:30] <rant> as in DEs
1015 [07:07:35] <rant> we have 7 DE
1016 [07:07:57] <rant> KDE Plasma, Gnome Shell, MATE, Cinnamon, XFCE, LXDE, LXQT
1017 [07:08:17] <rant> not including all the other components you could mix and match to make your own
1018 [07:08:23] <RandomSerb> rant, I like xfce, feel totally comfortable with it. But, I know a lot more users would switch to Linux if it wasn't for crappy aesthetics
1019 [07:08:23] <__m4ch1n3__> full DE has lot garbage i dont need, switched to openbox-session + xterm
1020 [07:08:37] <RandomSerb> rant, unity? :)
1021 [07:08:41] <rant> ew
1022 [07:08:45] <RandomSerb> hahahaha
1023 [07:09:10] <rant> I just switched to XFCE today.. and I like it.. I had to configure the shit out of it.. like changing the apps menu to the whiskers menu, etc..
1024 [07:09:29] <rant> got my binary clock next to my sideways date text..
1025 [07:09:29] <RandomSerb> my top rated reddit question is an Unity DE decision making question for Ubuntu representative, it was live or something...
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1027 [07:09:58] <__m4ch1n3__> used xfce4 long time but dont rly need 90% of desktop utils
1028 [07:09:59] <RandomSerb> rant, I made my xfce look pretty much like windows
1029 [07:10:08] <RandomSerb> with left hand side dock
1030 [07:10:19] <__m4ch1n3__> fast slim wm + xterm
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1032 [07:10:33] <RandomSerb> __m4ch1n3__, you're too advanced then :)
1033 [07:10:50] <rant> RandomSerb: sounds nauseating
1034 [07:11:10] <__m4ch1n3__> na not rly, csgo framerate forced me, after some time i realized that its enough :D
1035 [07:11:38] <__m4ch1n3__> openbox gives me +20 fps more in csgo then full xfce4
1036 [07:11:53] <RandomSerb> rant, why do you all guys hate anything that reminds of Windows?
1037 [07:11:58] <RandomSerb> I really don't get it
1038 [07:12:18] <RandomSerb> I like Windows. And if it wasn't for web development, I'd happily be using windows...
1039 [07:12:33] <RandomSerb> to be perfectly honest
1040 [07:13:00] <__m4ch1n3__> its like cabel tv with 1000's of channels and analog tv with 3 channels :D
1041 [07:13:07] <__m4ch1n3__> diversity
1042 [07:13:08] <RandomSerb> anything programming related, let alone server related, on Windows, is just to much pain for one's soul
1043 [07:13:38] <rant> replaced-url
1044 [07:13:42] <RandomSerb> __m4ch1n3__, mind explaining that? I don't see any correlation
1045 [07:14:07] <rant> replaced-url
1046 [07:14:13] <RandomSerb> rant, lol, you made it look exactly like windows, except that your panel is on top lol
1047 [07:14:23] <__m4ch1n3__> windows has actually only one window manager, while linux has a whole shitload of wms
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1049 [07:14:47] <__m4ch1n3__> no
1050 [07:15:08] <RandomSerb> __m4ch1n3__, and if that one wm does the job, why is existence of dozens of others any good?
1051 [07:15:19] <rant> you show me a windows ss with a binary clock and the date sideways, with all the subtle monitors for temps, cpu, mem, disk, net, weather, et..
1052 [07:15:52] <RandomSerb> rant, what if I do? you obviously didn't play with windows in a while. It's really easy to get that..
1053 [07:16:04] <rant> heh.. perhaps
1054 [07:16:14] <RandomSerb> :)
1055 [07:16:19] <rant> I havent touched windows since like 2001 or 2002
1056 [07:16:32] <rant> when Win2k put me in an endless reboot loop after windows update
1057 [07:16:34] <RandomSerb> rant, well, then, I'll just repeat lol :)
1058 [07:16:42] <RandomSerb> rant, ohhhhh, the pain
1059 [07:16:50] <rant> I went to bestbuy paid $24 for linux cds and never looked back
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1061 [07:16:54] <RandomSerb> not the reboot loop, but win2k
1062 [07:17:28] <__m4ch1n3__> it does the job in a very limited way, in linux there are diffrent types of wms for diffrent use cases, like tilling wms e.g awesome wm, optimized to control everthing with keybd only
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1064 [07:18:25] <RandomSerb> rant, well the biggest problem, as I can see it right now, is that, even after all these years of growing linux community and linux awareness, you still can't compare easiness of use for noobish users between linux and windows. windows is much better.
1065 [07:19:48] <RandomSerb> __m4ch1n3__, granted there are some things that specific wms can provide you that on windows are just not possible. but I think we agree that users needing those, and needing being underlined, are scarce
1066 [07:20:14] <RandomSerb> so, you may friend, are living on a bleeding edge of wm tech :)
1067 [07:20:23] <RandomSerb> bleeding, literally :P
1068 [07:21:34] <RandomSerb> rant, replaced-url
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1082 [07:31:15] <rant> you got a lot of wasted screen space
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1084 [07:31:54] <rant> I like that this wm in xfce had a setting to remove the frame and title bar when you maximize.. freeing up that extra screen space
1085 [07:32:27] <rant> now if it could just remove that crap without maximizing I may not still be missing sawfish
1086 [07:32:45] <rant> it has no hook for toggling that without maximizing the window
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1091 [07:34:46] <RandomSerb> rant, a lot of wasted screen space? where(except for the left panel)
1092 [07:34:47] <RandomSerb> ?
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1099 [07:37:09] <agio> what WM does xfce use?
1100 [07:37:39] <__m4ch1n3__> xfwm
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1102 [07:38:14] <__m4ch1n3__> is default
1103 [07:38:54] <agio> that is the messiest desktop - how do you even use that?
1104 [07:39:21] <__m4ch1n3__> point and click
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1111 [07:41:31] <agio> assuming you can find the thing you want to click on :)
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1115 [07:44:40] <rant> RandomSerb: yes that whole space around the panel, then the large icon and text for the apps menu, the two side panes on hexchat, the titlebars, frames on the fullscreen windows..etc..
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1117 [07:47:41] <agio> rant: how big is your screen?
1118 [07:48:06] <agio> RandomSerb: how big is your screen too?
1119 [07:48:21] <agio> you guys seem to have maybe 2 desktops?
1120 [07:48:34] <agio> sorry, I mean displays?
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1123 [07:51:08] <rant> I have a 12.5in Lenovo Thinkpad x240 at 1366x768 and a Samsung UN24H4000AF 23.5in also at 1366x768 which gives me a total desktop size of 2732x768px
1124 [07:51:47] <rant> the TV will do 1920x1080 but the max res of the laptop is 1366x768
1125 [07:52:16] <__m4ch1n3__> close lid
1126 [07:52:29] <agio> ah, that makes sense based on your screenshot - sweet setup :)
1127 [07:54:26] <RandomSerb> agio, 1680x1050 + 1920x1080, both 22"
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1129 [07:54:43] <agio> rant: and you just switched to XFCE today? so your DE is less than 24 hrs old?
1130 [07:54:48] <RandomSerb> xdpyinfo | grep 'dimensions:'
1131 [07:54:48] <RandomSerb> dimensions: 3600x1080 pixels (952x285 millimeters)
1132 [07:55:11] <RandomSerb> agio, actually, no. why?
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1134 [07:55:57] <agio> RandomSerb: I meant rant, I think he said he switched just today?
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1136 [07:57:20] <rant> best I had in awhile.. I started with just an OrangePiLite on that TV, then an HP T520 Thin Client which was a huge step up from the AllWinner H3 SoC (Quad-Core ARM Cortex-A7 1.2Ghz w/ 512MB DDR3) to the AMD GX-212JC SoC (AMD64 Dual-Core 1.2Ghz w/ 4GB DDR3 & Radeon R2E Dual DP), then to this 4th Gen Core i5 4300U @ 1.9Ghz (Dual-core HT 4 thread) w/ 4GB DDR3, and a 256GB SSD
1137 [07:58:39] <rant> performance for things like media, gaming, browsing, etc.. have doubled easily each step.. but cost has also doubled :P
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1140 [07:59:32] <rant> I'd only paid $37 for that OPI Lite w/ hdmi cable, power cable, 8GB SD card, and wireless keyboard/trackpad remote
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1143 [08:01:02] <rant> there is currently one of those HP T520 Thin Clients for sale for $50.. if I had the money I'd get it.. they're nice the Radeon R2E works well with debian, they make a good media center kinda deal
1144 [08:01:37] <rant> I'd highly recommend to anyone in the market for such a thing right now.. nice lil workhorse for your TV and at that price you can't beat it
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1153 [08:07:34] <rant> my benchmarks showed it outperforming an Core2 E8400 3ghz w/ 4GB ram in many categories.. like crypto, disk IO, and such
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1161 [08:12:06] <__m4ch1n3__> ... flash drive
1162 [08:12:19] <__m4ch1n3__> is ofcourse faster then physical hd
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1165 [08:13:01] <rant> I only had an 8GB SSD, I tried it that way and with a USB3.0 SATA
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1178 [08:19:02] <__m4ch1n3__> ... on amazon there are used for ~50€, new 250-500€ in my region
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1184 [08:20:33] <__m4ch1n3__> 500€ for a thin client :) wtf
1185 [08:21:17] <rant> yeah they're decent.. have 4 USB2.0 on back with a VGA and dual display ports, can run up to two displays, have audio in/out and 2x USB 3.0 on front, has ethernet, has internal slot to add wifi or such (I just use a USB wifi).. Runs stretch really well and can drive two displays for a good media center type deal
1186 [08:21:57] <rant> if you can get one all said and done for less than you'd get a RPI3b + Cables & SD Card, its well worth it cause its way more powerful than that
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1190 [08:22:30] <rant> plus its amd64 SoC not arm
1191 [08:22:50] <rant> and can run two displays with radeon graphics that are supported OTB on debian
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1193 [08:23:28] <rant> though you need the firmware-amd--graphics to do dual head and DisplayPort audio, but it'll run a single display on VGA or DP without audio OTB anyhow :P
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1196 [08:24:32] <rant> but yeah the retail price is ridiculous, but aftermarket prices are often comparable to a full Rpi3B setup and it will far outperform that
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1200 [08:26:00] <__m4ch1n3__> looks also way more robust then rpi
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1209 [08:43:09] <charliebrownau> rant: Have they fixed the AMD free driver on Linux Debian/Ubuntu yet .... The FREE Driver ran like poatao compared to AMD GPU pro driver, the free driver worked with 2 screens, but it doesnt support FREESNYC or ATI/AMD control panel, at least with an R8 380
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1212 [08:49:19] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys i am following Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System
1213 [08:49:36] <InvisibleRasta> it says to download deboostrap.deb
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1215 [08:49:55] <InvisibleRasta> but i cant figure out which package is fr 64bit
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1217 [08:50:02] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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1219 [08:50:19] <InvisibleRasta> debootstrap_1.0.109_all.deb this one?
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1228 [08:53:17] <rant> charliebrownau: idk
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1230 [08:53:54] <rant> InvisibleRasta: when there is a _all its an arch independant package
1231 [08:54:01] <rant> ,depends debootstrap
1232 [08:54:02] <judd> Package debootstrap in stretch/amd64 -- depends: wget.
1233 [08:54:58] <rant> InvisibleRasta: as you can see it depends only on wget.. its all shell script
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1235 [08:55:30] <InvisibleRasta> should i boostrap wheezy?
1236 [08:55:40] <InvisibleRasta> as the wiki says?
1237 [08:55:41] <rant> InvisibleRasta: idk, is that what you want to do?
1238 [08:55:52] <charliebrownau> RANT: Linux fanboy to random pc windows gamer "you should run linux" . Random gamer: Can I play (Insert AAA GAME) with my two screen setup at 1440p 75hz and custom fan profile? .... Linux fan "linux runs on my pc fine"
1239 [08:55:53] <InvisibleRasta> is it old?
1240 [08:56:11] <rant> InvisibleRasta: heh, whatever wiki you are reading is apparently dated, Stretch is the current stable and Buster will be stable probably in Feb I would guess
1241 [08:56:25] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
1242 [08:56:30] <rant> InvisibleRasta: wheezy was two releases ago, jessie was before stretch
1243 [08:56:59] <rant> InvisibleRasta: well thats not a wiki thats the wheezy release notes
1244 [08:57:15] <rant> InvisibleRasta: and the main page of that document would tell you its release date
1245 [08:57:18] <rant> !wheezy
1246 [08:57:18] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
1247 [08:57:26] <InvisibleRasta> thats what i found searching for Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System
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1249 [08:57:52] <rant> InvisibleRasta: well as I said, Stretch is currently the stable release, 9.5
1250 [08:58:09] <InvisibleRasta> is there a newer wiki for this?
1251 [08:58:30] <rant> charliebrownau: yeah, well.. thats how it goes..
1252 [08:58:31] <__m4ch1n3__> charliebrownau, csgo runs on my setup way better on debian then in windows
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1254 [08:59:15] <rant> InvisibleRasta: if you were to replace wheezy with stretch in that url it'll probably be the same.. but again, this isnt a wiki its the release notes
1255 [08:59:35] <charliebrownau> The linux community wont grow more unless the linux pushers/fanboys admit linux lacks certain features and we find a viable way to offer/put these features into linux
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1257 [09:00:02] <rant> InvisibleRasta: replaced-url
1258 [09:00:52] <rant> InvisibleRasta: however thats the wrong arch mostlikely anyhow for your system
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1261 [09:01:23] <rant> InvisibleRasta: if you want good answers you gotta ask better questions. Why not stop this line of questions and tell us what kinda system you have and exactly what you want to do
1262 [09:01:30] <InvisibleRasta> complicated a bit.. only reason im looking for boostrap is cause i want t install on a btrfs subvolume... will the normal install on subvolume?
1263 [09:01:32] <__m4ch1n3__> valve moved entire development to sdl + source engine dropped directX support.
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1266 [09:03:35] <__m4ch1n3__> but lot games are not build on sdl and wont run on linux atm, like COD and other. Linux gaming wasnt a thing but it seems that it becomes a thing atm.
1267 [09:03:43] <rant> InvisibleRasta: all debootstrap does is download and unpack a debian base system to a directory with shell scripts and wget.. it has nothing at all to do with the underlying filesystems or anything.. you gotta know how to and set that all up yourself
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1269 [09:04:34] <InvisibleRasta> if i use the iso i can specify to install on @subvolume?
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1272 [09:06:11] <rant> InvisibleRasta: to the best of my knowledge the answer is no, Debian doesnt officially support or have tools for subvolumes though it does support install to btrfs
1273 [09:06:26] <__m4ch1n3__> hope intel sticks with linux for they future discret gpus ...
1274 [09:06:33] <rant> I dont even fully understand what a subvolume is personally, but seems to me like you'd have to set that up first before installing either way
1275 [09:06:37] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1276 [09:06:58] <InvisibleRasta> well yeah id have to setup the subvolume after
1277 [09:07:15] <InvisibleRasta> its basically a subvolume in a partition where u install
1278 [09:07:25] <InvisibleRasta> but usually installers don tpic them up
1279 [09:07:56] <__m4ch1n3__> light at the end of the tunnel is becoming visible, things could change soon
1280 [09:08:25] <rant> InvisibleRasta: there is a thread on debian-user forum from about 18mo ago talking about this replaced-url
1281 [09:09:38] <rant> InvisibleRasta: keep in mind if that is at all helpful that when they're talking about use of "testing" at that time what is now "stable" was "testing" so they're talking about our current release, Stretch
1282 [09:09:55] <__m4ch1n3__> valve does also lot sdl development btw and it becomes more and more comfy enviroment to build games, but its a long process
1283 [09:10:05] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1284 [09:10:32] <rant> __m4ch1n3__: could you perhaps take this to #debian-offtopic or somewhere? There are people trying to get support with debian issues at the moment and this is all off-topic.
1285 [09:12:49] <charliebrownau> <__m4ch1n3_ Ive been asking games for OpenGL4.x + SDL2 + OpenAL support for the last 5-8 years, it often goes on deaf ears, or they refuse or these choose a sh1t engine or they are too stupid and lazy to work out how to support it instead of some paid middlewear api........ Unity has made it easier, even then studios often refuse to clickie the linux button in unity
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1289 [09:15:28] <InvisibleRasta> tank you rant
1290 [09:15:30] * rant points to #debian-offtopic, a social channel.. this is #debian a support channel, where someone just came in asking for support installing debian.
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1292 [09:16:27] <rant> InvisibleRasta: yes well as for the release notes you had, you probably want this instead replaced-url
1293 [09:16:53] <rant> InvisibleRasta: you havent said what your system is, but I highly doubt its IA64 or that you want wheezy, which is what you were reading
1294 [09:17:08] <InvisibleRasta> nah its amd64
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1297 [09:18:03] <rabbitear_sdf> lol
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1325 [09:49:11] <balance> hi
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1396 [10:48:18] <__m4ch1n3__> can someone explain why there are suddenly multiple evdev devices for a single physical address? replaced-url
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1401 [10:50:40] <__m4ch1n3__> e.g my roccat kiro mouse used to have 2 evdev devices for every phys path one, also the name string was same on both devices, now there is a "<name> Consumer Control" and "<name> System Control"
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1403 [10:52:03] <__m4ch1n3__> one path has 3 evdev devices the other 1, im not 100% sure but that may chagend with 4.18.1 kernel update
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1406 [10:56:45] <__m4ch1n3__> that totaly screwed my python-evdev macros code i was working on, also the additional devices seem to have no function, no events on evdev event loop ...
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1420 [11:00:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did the grub-update && grub-install /dev/sdb as proposed in this channel; the system still boots in grub rescue
1421 [11:01:40] <__m4ch1n3__> ? grub boots debian in resucue mode by default or what?
1422 [11:02:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> For this installation; yes
1423 [11:02:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did however manage to get an output of the hardware: HPProLiantDL320G5p\(445434-421\).lshw.xml
1424 [11:03:28] <__m4ch1n3__> you can change default grub entry in /etc/default/grub
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1426 [11:03:44] <__m4ch1n3__> GRUB_DEFAULT=<int>
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1428 [11:03:55] <__m4ch1n3__> int is menue entry index
1429 [11:04:14] <__m4ch1n3__> after that you need to execute update-grub
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1431 [11:06:05] <rabbitear_sdf> __m4ch1n3__: you lost your mind
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1433 [11:06:27] <rabbitear_sdf> __m4ch1n3__: maybe somebody can help you tomorrow
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1436 [11:06:52] <rabbitear_sdf> __m4ch1n3__: good luck with that fuzzing stuff
1437 [11:07:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most.
1438 [11:07:23] <__m4ch1n3__> if somehow its still not doing what it should, boot the debian installation iso medium , select rescue/recovery bla ... and then it should offer you at some point repair grub option
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1442 [11:08:40] <__m4ch1n3__> iso grub repair fixed grub for me every time screwed boot partion or grub
1443 [11:08:52] <__m4ch1n3__> *i
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1445 [11:09:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> It just asked for which NIC to use
1446 [11:09:40] <__m4ch1n3__> rabbitear_sdf, wut fuzzing stuff u talking bout?
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1449 [11:11:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> And I install the grub on the device itself, right? /dev/sdb
1450 [11:11:28] <TyrfingMjolnir> Not in a particular partition
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1467 [11:17:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT=0
1468 [11:18:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> The 0 of what?
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1471 [11:19:11] <__m4ch1n3__> 0 == first entry in your config
1472 [11:19:25] <__m4ch1n3__> 0 == first entry in menu
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1474 [11:19:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> Which menu?
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1476 [11:20:12] <TyrfingMjolnir> I see there is something in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
1477 [11:20:44] <__m4ch1n3__> grub menu, can you maybe paste your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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1480 [11:22:06] <__m4ch1n3__> if the line that starts with "linux" contains "single" then its rescue mode
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1483 [11:24:06] <__m4ch1n3__> cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep linux | grep /vmlinuz
1484 [11:24:39] <n4dir> oh, oh, oh. useless use of cat. grep filename
1485 [11:24:47] <__m4ch1n3__> true :3
1486 [11:24:52] <n4dir> :-)
1487 [11:24:58] <__m4ch1n3__> grep linux /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep /vmlinuz
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1489 [11:25:53] <__m4ch1n3__> how to do a logic AND with grub?
1490 [11:27:06] <__m4ch1n3__> or ignore whitespace at line start?
1491 [11:27:24] <n4dir> i would have to look it up to. I do know | grep foo\|bar ; \| being for "or" (perhaps paranthesis are missing)
1492 [11:28:31] <n4dir> grep ^[[:alphnum:]], or round the lines of that ?
1493 [11:28:41] <__m4ch1n3__> actually one grep would be enough, grep ^<ignore whitespace>linux
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1496 [11:29:23] <n4dir> most of the time i just grep a few times, so i don't have to search the web. So my knowledge is rather limited.
1497 [11:31:48] <n4dir> grep -v ^[[:space:]] ; might be worth a try.
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1499 [11:31:55] <n4dir> replaced-url
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1501 [11:32:50] <__m4ch1n3__> grep -E ^[[:blank:]]*linux /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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1506 [11:37:28] <ikarosuusi> when a new version of python comes out, my older version remains de facto
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1508 [11:37:47] <ikarosuusi> how come? have i personally set that up earlier or is it expected?
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1510 [11:39:27] <ikarosuusi> in this case it
1511 [11:39:49] <ikarosuusi> it's about 3.6 and 3.7 (small bluetooth keyboard typos)
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1514 [11:42:16] <__m4ch1n3__> every release has its own python3.6 or python3.7 directory, python is only a symlink to one of them
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1517 [11:42:41] <ikarosuusi> and it
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1520 [11:42:53] <ikarosuusi> and it's not governed by the system at all?
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1522 [11:43:19] <ikarosuusi> so you suggest I have personally created that symlink with giving the ln -s command?
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1524 [11:43:36] <__m4ch1n3__> which one is handled as the default "python" is
1525 [11:44:03] <ikarosuusi> or rather the default "python3"
1526 [11:44:48] <ikarosuusi> why are you giving me this trivial information?
1527 [11:45:18] <__m4ch1n3__> but you can add also a shebang line to your python code file e.g "#!/usr/bin/env python3.6" and it will be executed by the version
1528 [11:45:30] <ikarosuusi> oh well that's just completely irrelevant
1529 [11:45:58] <__m4ch1n3__> you are completely irrelevant :3
1530 [11:46:01] <ikarosuusi> well, not completely, I appreciate the effort to enlighten me.
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1532 [11:46:07] <ikarosuusi> :3
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1535 [11:47:09] <ikarosuusi> What puzzles me, instead of whats the structure for the command, is that during the initial installation of python3 there is a version to be downloaded, and that version is then symlinked by .. i don't know what.
1536 [11:47:26] <ikarosuusi> So, it might have been 3.4 for example, at that point in time
1537 [11:47:57] <ikarosuusi> So now I have 3.7 installed, but if I run python3 I get 3.6
1538 [11:48:09] <n4dir> often debian uses update-alternatives to make something default.
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1540 [11:48:29] <ikarosuusi> Have I personally caused that? Would the system, at it's default behavior, keep the symlink to the freshest or the oldest version?
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1542 [11:50:00] <ikarosuusi> __m4ch1n3__: my sincere apolocheese, I have a habit of blaming others for my own pains.
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1545 [11:52:53] <ikarosuusi> n4dir, during the installation procedure regarding the default apt usage?
1546 [11:53:44] <n4dir> ikarosuusi: no, on a running system update-alternatives is used (perhaps during installation, but sure behind the scenes. So without user action)
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1548 [11:54:19] <ikarosuusi> n4dir yes I was referring to user defined package installation procedure
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1551 [11:56:09] <n4dir> when it comes to window manager update-alternatives sets the last installed one to the default. No clue how it gets done for phyton (so probably this isn't of any help ...)
1552 [11:57:04] <__m4ch1n3__> LMFAO, #freenodeprivateinternetacess :3
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1555 [11:58:05] <__m4ch1n3__> private != privacy, actually you cant talk on any channel without rgistering
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1558 [12:00:50] <__m4ch1n3__> how would you gender the speaker in the youtube stream lol
1559 [12:00:56] <__m4ch1n3__> ?
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1568 [12:06:25] <__m4ch1n3__> *speaker*person
1569 [12:07:16] <ham5urg> I have prepared a usb-disk to be sent to the server site. How can I make dhclient to try each ethernet card without knowing its name?
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1575 [12:14:27] <__m4ch1n3__> why you dont know the interfaces if you can execute dhclient which needs uid==0 ?
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1579 [12:16:10] <ham5urg> Not all server are known to me. I don't know the predictable interface-name. The user shall just start the server with the USB-stick and plug any ethernet-cable into it.
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1581 [12:18:04] <ham5urg> I guess I will need replaced-url
1582 [12:18:20] <ham5urg> Without GUI, does thiw work?
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1584 [12:19:18] <ham5urg> I mean this replaced-url
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1588 [12:21:51] <celyr> Hiho
1589 [12:22:03] <celyr> I can't find the package for liburl3 man pages
1590 [12:22:13] <celyr> Help! :D
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1592 [12:22:20] <n4dir> ham5urg: fiddling with it, but not there yet. Look at it and try if it may be of use when enhanced: ip a | grep 'enp\|eth' | awk -F: '{ print $2 }'
1593 [12:22:41] <__m4ch1n3__> also servers usualy use static conf for local networks or not?
1594 [12:22:42] <n4dir> lots of assumption in there ...
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1601 [12:23:26] <__m4ch1n3__> ip -ts -o link | cut -d : -f2 | grep -v -E ^[[:blank:]]lo$
1602 [12:23:35] <__m4ch1n3__> list devices except lo
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1606 [12:24:05] <__m4ch1n3__> or
1607 [12:24:08] <__m4ch1n3__> ls -1 /sys/class/net/ | grep -v ^lo$
1608 [12:24:37] <__m4ch1n3__> dhclient -w $INTERFACE
1609 [12:24:48] <ham5urg> I understand
1610 [12:25:15] <ham5urg> thanks
1611 [12:26:57] <__m4ch1n3__> -w makes dhclient run in foreground until it finishes config device
1612 [12:27:07] <__m4ch1n3__> or fails
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1622 [12:31:29] <celyr> Anybody has idea how can I find the package containing the libcurl manpages ?
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1638 [12:38:50] <__m4ch1n3__> ham5urg, if [[ $(ping -c1 -W2 8.8.8.8 1>&2 >/dev/null ; echo $?) -ne 0 ]]; then echo "PING 8.8.8.8 FAILed" ; <do stuff here> ; fi
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1640 [12:39:35] <__m4ch1n3__> would determine if server has inet connection or not
1641 [12:40:09] <__m4ch1n3__> if not you could try next iface in list or do other fallback stuff
1642 [12:40:33] <__m4ch1n3__> or try dhclient -w iface again
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1649 [12:42:03] <n4dir> smartassing: you would do : if ping *; then ... ; no [[
1650 [12:42:07] <__m4ch1n3__> 8.8.8.8 is googl nameserver
1651 [12:42:18] <rabbitear_sdf> nope
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1653 [12:42:52] <__m4ch1n3__> $(ping -c1 -W2 8.8.8.8 1>&2 >/dev/null ; echo $?) -ne 0
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1655 [12:43:15] <__m4ch1n3__> it returns 0 if ping was sucessfull
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1657 [12:43:48] <n4dir> ping already should return an exit value, the if-loop tests that exist value. replaced-url
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1659 [12:44:05] <n4dir> sidenote only. go on with the real problem
1660 [12:44:41] <__m4ch1n3__> ping returns a shitload on output i could not figure out to mutte to make it bashscript usable, $? is the return value
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1663 [12:45:12] <__m4ch1n3__> it spams to stdout and stderr
1664 [12:45:30] <n4dir> probably redirect to /dev/null. though man mentions ping -q for quiet too.
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1670 [12:47:36] <__m4ch1n3__> thats what the mapage says, however
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1673 [12:48:32] <__m4ch1n3__> PING 8.8.7.7 (8.8.7.7) 56(84) bytes of data.
1674 [12:48:32] <__m4ch1n3__> --- 8.8.7.7 ping statistics ---
1675 [12:48:32] <__m4ch1n3__> 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms
1676 [12:49:18] <__m4ch1n3__> is the output of "ping -q -c1 -W2 8.8.7.7"
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1678 [12:49:51] <__m4ch1n3__> -q has no effect
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1685 [12:53:19] <__m4ch1n3__> ah there was still a redirect
1686 [12:53:22] <__m4ch1n3__> ping -c1 -W2 8.8.8.8 ; echo 0
1687 [12:53:22] <__m4ch1n3__> PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data.
1688 [12:53:22] <__m4ch1n3__> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=122 time=44.6 ms
1689 [12:53:22] <__m4ch1n3__> --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
1690 [12:53:22] <__m4ch1n3__> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
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1697 [12:59:08] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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1699 [13:01:07] <n4dir> $ if ping -q -c 1 8.8.8.8 > /dev/null 2>&1; then echo "works"; else echo "does not work"; fi
1700 [13:01:28] <n4dir> not clue if that is correct or not, i am lousy with redirection.
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1702 [13:01:40] <core7> andersk
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1705 [13:02:40] <greylinensuit> anyone know how to troubleshoot this: "W: replaced-url
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1709 [13:03:29] <greylinensuit> much appreciate, tried the man pages & wiki. they're just the default official repos
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1711 [13:05:14] <__m4ch1n3__> its anoying that it spams on stderr and stdout and ignores own silent option
1712 [13:06:53] <n4dir> yup, would be a nice and easy typable thing if not like that.
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1715 [13:08:34] <abrotman> greylinensuit: can you use `apt-key list` ?
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1717 [13:10:02] <__m4ch1n3__> so barckets & returning exit code with $? are redundant :3
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1719 [13:10:30] <__m4ch1n3__> thats nice
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1721 [13:11:22] <n4dir> main thing here is that [ or [[ is simply a command. As far i understand, of course.
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1724 [13:12:28] <pikaro> is there a reason why sudo on debian comes without --with-pam-login? it means that sudo -i doesn't start a new session as that user, e. g. resulting in a missing /run/user/ directory.
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1726 [13:12:37] <relaxed> [ is a command, [[ is bash builtin
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1731 [13:15:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: replaced-url
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1733 [13:15:42] <greylinensuit> thx
1734 [13:15:43] <n4dir> relaxed: good catch, though in the actual context it probably boils down to the same.
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1736 [13:16:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: replaced-url
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1741 [13:17:55] <xVim> Hi, I got a fresh Stretch system and can't get xbacklight working. However writing the brightness directly to /sys/class/... works, so I want to write a Python script to automate this. However I need sudo to write to /sys/... Is there a way I don't need to enter my passphrase in my Python script?
1742 [13:17:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: lshw: replaced-url
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1744 [13:19:01] <__m4ch1n3__> curl -s 'replaced-url
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1746 [13:19:15] <__m4ch1n3__> there is only one bootable entry
1747 [13:19:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> ANd?
1748 [13:19:29] <__m4ch1n3__> and its not recovery mode
1749 [13:19:30] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is that a good one?
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1751 [13:19:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> It never reaches that one
1752 [13:19:41] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm should work
1753 [13:20:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> Goes straight to grub rescue
1754 [13:20:16] <__m4ch1n3__> if there is only one then its selected by default
1755 [13:20:24] <abrotman> greylinensuit: please keep it in the channel, I'm doing many things at once
1756 [13:20:43] <abrotman> greylinensuit: you could move the file aside, and reinstall the keyring packages
1757 [13:20:44] <xVim> Like if I create the Python script as root and then give a copy to the user? Would that work?
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1763 [13:21:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: The funny thing is that the installed USB works
1764 [13:21:27] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe you have other partitions with grub and bootable flag set, boot the debian iso, select recovery or rescue and then rapair grub
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1766 [13:22:06] <relaxed> xVim: edit the sudoers file (man visudo); then add to it--> usernamehere ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/pythonscriptname
1767 [13:22:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: That's what I have been doing
1768 [13:22:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I find out where there is grub
1769 [13:22:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
1770 [13:22:37] <relaxed> then usernamehere can run it as root without supplying the password
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1772 [13:22:51] <xVim> relaxed: Thank you, will do that :)
1773 [13:23:05] <greylinensuit> tried purging/reinstalling the keyring packages
1774 [13:23:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> sda1 is newly formatted
1775 [13:23:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
1776 [13:23:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> sdc is the debian installer DVD1
1777 [13:23:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> sdb1 is the newly installed system
1778 [13:23:49] <greylinensuit> aha, maybe the .gpg/.asc files were not binaries, going to export them as such and try apt-key add
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1780 [13:23:58] <__m4ch1n3__> sdb1 and sdc1 are bootable
1781 [13:24:00] <greylinensuit> again :)
1782 [13:24:33] <__m4ch1n3__> there is a * in the BOOT raw
1783 [13:24:47] <__m4ch1n3__> in replaced-url
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1785 [13:25:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> It now works for some reason
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1788 [13:26:45] <__m4ch1n3__> im pretty sure install media "grub repair" would fix that
1789 [13:26:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> I woud like to run samba4 on this box, how do I make sure I have latest samba4? do dist upgrade to testing?
1790 [13:27:27] <__m4ch1n3__> sdc1 is bootable and is empty,
1791 [13:27:31] <abrotman> dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir about ssb
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1793 [13:28:15] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: sdc1 is the installer disk image
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1795 [13:28:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> debian DVD1 9.5
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1800 [13:29:36] <__m4ch1n3__> sure? "/dev/sdc1 * 0 7089823 7089824 3.4G 0 Empty"
1801 [13:30:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> Affirmative
1802 [13:30:43] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm other partitions are to big for instal medium
1803 [13:30:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> However the USB is now removed and I have booted into the system
1804 [13:31:00] <__m4ch1n3__> then your done :)
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1808 [13:33:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I dist upgrade? Do I just do :s/stretch/buster/g in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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1810 [13:34:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> Or is there more to it?
1811 [13:34:25] <greylinensuit> used gpg -a --export to export the ascii-armored binary of the OpenPGP pub key block, in both .gpg/.asc, tried 'apt-key add' and copied into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, but still says N: Ignoring file 'E074D16EB6FF4DE3.asc' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
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1813 [13:34:54] <greylinensuit> oy
1814 [13:35:03] <jubo2> Yo and BIG Thanks for the best Server OS in these parts of the Laniakea Supercluster
1815 [13:35:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> What jubo2 said.
1816 [13:36:07] <jubo2> Got a question: Current PHP version in Debian Stable repo is 7.0.something and this is EOL on 2019-01-01 according to some info that I have received. Will the PHP be updated to 7.2 by then?
1817 [13:36:31] <greylinensuit> same with *.gpg
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1820 [13:37:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> jubo2: I still run php4
1821 [13:37:51] <jubo2> TyrfingMjolnir: how do you keep it safe and secure?
1822 [13:38:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> jubo2: How do you know if it's safe an secure in the first place?
1823 [13:38:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> I set up a nginx reverse proxy in front and added HTTPS
1824 [13:38:40] <jubo2> I ... uhh.. trust the people in charge of keeping it safe and secure
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1827 [13:39:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> And I build newer solutions in Angular, nodejs w/express, and swift w/kitura
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1843 [13:51:24] <yo9fah> hi all
1844 [13:51:29] <woenx> Hi. Does someone has some experience in growing RAID1 partitions after upgrading the hard drives?
1845 [13:51:34] <yo9fah> When you install gentoo, you just realize what apt update pkg means...
1846 [13:51:59] <woenx> I have /dev/md0 with 750GB but the new hard drives are 4TB, and I'd like to know if it's possible to expand the partition
1847 [13:52:01] <yo9fah> debian is the best
1848 [13:53:16] <__m4ch1n3__> yo9fah, do a system upgrade with emerge, if its done before 2019 you have luck lol
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1850 [13:53:50] <yo9fah> yeee
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1859 [13:55:08] <yo9fah> In my opinion, debian is the Father of all distro.
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1864 [13:56:23] <yo9fah> I installed debian core with my desktop desktop in 30 minutes...
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1866 [13:56:33] <__m4ch1n3__> of all debian based distros yes
1867 [13:57:19] <yo9fah> The gentoo lasts up to 20-30 hours..
1868 [13:57:40] <__m4ch1n3__> it compiles everything from source
1869 [13:57:40] <DiRaOL> Hi all! Is there anyone facing problems with Libreoffice and Debian (>= buster)? After updating my system I'm facing this error: "version `LIBO_UDK_6.1' not found"
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1872 [13:58:20] <yo9fah> if you're lucky and at the end it does not tell you that you have to reinstall the system again
1873 [13:58:30] <yo9fah> pfff
1874 [13:58:38] <__m4ch1n3__> the only problem i faced with libre was that it opened text file as default editorbefore i purged it :D
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1877 [13:59:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> Which transcoder to use?
1878 [13:59:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> Playstation media center appears to be deprecated
1879 [14:00:25] <__m4ch1n3__> transcoder? ffmpeg ofcourse
1880 [14:00:26] <yo9fah> With open firefox, debian sucks a maximum of 900MB ram...
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1883 [14:00:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> yo9fah: Same thing for arch
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1885 [14:01:06] <yo9fah> With open firefox, gentoo sucks a maximum of 1.2GB ram
1886 [14:01:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> ff take longer to launch than that competition, but at runtime, I find it nicer.
1887 [14:01:17] <yo9fah> mate desk
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1889 [14:01:49] <yo9fah> yeee
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1892 [14:02:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: ffmpeg does not work for my TV, alone that it is, some sort of media protocol is needed too
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1894 [14:02:56] <yo9fah> A sure example is exherbo which is actually a shame
1895 [14:03:02] <Thedarkb-M90> With Chromium, HexChat, Discord and a level editor open, Debian is using 1.2GB
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1897 [14:03:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> What is the best DLNA-compliant UPnP Media Server for debian 9?
1898 [14:03:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> best as in supports normal formats and does not eat all the resources available to man
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1902 [14:04:14] <kirk781> Discord is an electon app?
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1904 [14:04:50] <Thedarkb-M90> Yup
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1906 [14:04:54] <Thedarkb-M90> With a horrible EULA
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1908 [14:05:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> Just like popcorntime
1909 [14:05:45] <kirk781> Reminds me of some apps/games that required you to scroll down to the bottom of the EULA before they ungreyed the I have read the EULA box
1910 [14:05:48] <yo9fah> so, replaced-url
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1912 [14:06:46] <__m4ch1n3__> TyrfingMjolnir, if it doesnt work you dont youse it corect
1913 [14:06:54] <__m4ch1n3__> *use
1914 [14:07:14] <yo9fah> Congratulations to developers, on deb
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1917 [14:08:02] <__m4ch1n3__> transcoding != host media stream
1918 [14:08:31] <__m4ch1n3__> transcoding is convert one format to another
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1924 [14:10:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> transcoding would be converting without the user having to convert
1925 [14:10:46] <__m4ch1n3__> converting without convert :D
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1927 [14:11:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> transcoding would be converting without the user having to explicitly convert
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1930 [14:12:21] <__m4ch1n3__> sounds to me like you want host a media stream on local network, can your tv read rtmp streams?
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1933 [14:12:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> Samsung
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1935 [14:13:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> 8005e
1936 [14:13:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have no idea
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1944 [14:16:17] <__m4ch1n3__> you need a mediaplayer that is able stream media over network
1945 [14:16:41] <__m4ch1n3__> or a hdmi cable from pc to tv :3
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1947 [14:17:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> Yes\
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1949 [14:17:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> such as media tomb
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1952 [14:18:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> But which one is better from the debian 9 repo?
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1960 [14:20:56] <__m4ch1n3__> hdmi cable :D
1961 [14:21:00] <__m4ch1n3__> best
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1964 [14:21:43] <__m4ch1n3__> only tried once do that with sound over multiple devices, it was laggy af
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1966 [14:22:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> There is like 50m from the server to the screen
1967 [14:23:37] <__m4ch1n3__> dependes on your tv, apple tv shit has own protocol dependencies e.g, duno
1968 [14:24:09] <__m4ch1n3__> find out what your tv exactly supports, read the tv manual
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1971 [14:26:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> or ps4?
1972 [14:26:55] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1973 [14:27:01] <__m4ch1n3__> no idea
1974 [14:27:07] <__m4ch1n3__> dont own a ps
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1977 [14:28:00] <__m4ch1n3__> read the device manual, configure it like described in manual, then config debian
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1981 [14:29:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> UPNP and DLNA
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1983 [14:31:56] <__m4ch1n3__> apt-cache search dlna
1984 [14:32:07] <__m4ch1n3__> you will need a dlna server
1985 [14:32:14] <__m4ch1n3__> on debian
1986 [14:32:30] <__m4ch1n3__> and propably you will need to open ports
1987 [14:32:44] <__m4ch1n3__> or forward them to tv
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1989 [14:33:07] <TyrfingMjolnir> minidlna
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1991 [14:33:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> Open ports?
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1995 [14:35:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> Says something about local config here: replaced-url
1996 [14:35:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> Not exactly my use cas
1997 [14:35:34] <__m4ch1n3__> yes for local addresses
1998 [14:35:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> e
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2000 [14:36:09] <__m4ch1n3__> the tv must be able to connect to the media server on debian
2001 [14:36:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> That I got
2002 [14:36:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> There is an IP address
2003 [14:36:37] <__m4ch1n3__> would recommend static ip config for tv and debian so only 1 address is allawoed
2004 [14:36:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> Sure
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2007 [14:37:31] <danielboston26> So somehow sudo stopped working and i had to reinstall it now i am no longer included in the sudders file how do i either edit the file or add myself
2008 [14:37:44] <__m4ch1n3__> assume your router provides ip dynamic over dhcp
2009 [14:38:14] <danielboston26> ive tried adduser mark sudo and it says im added to the group but when i try to use sudo it says im not and the inncident will be reported
2010 [14:38:40] <__m4ch1n3__> logout and login again
2011 [14:38:41] <danielboston26> im using debian 9 if that makes a difference
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2013 [14:39:02] <__m4ch1n3__> after changing user grubs you have to close session
2014 [14:39:07] <__m4ch1n3__> grups
2015 [14:39:16] <__m4ch1n3__> before it takes effect
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2023 [14:40:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> Looks like it worked out of the box.
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2032 [14:48:03] <__m4ch1n3__> yes? my expirence with connecting non-linux devices to linux devices was usualy a pain in the ass
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2034 [14:48:53] <xVim> relaxed: I added 'myusername ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/mypythonscriptname' to the sudoers file, but still cannot run the script successfully without sudo (even after reboot). Any ideas why that could happen? I also tried it with (root) and (ALL:ALL) in front of NOPASSWD, same story.
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2039 [14:50:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> __m4ch1n3__: There is
2040 [14:51:09] <TyrfingMjolnir> I can see the server, but not its content
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2055 [15:01:12] <noodlepie> Max. recursion depth with nested structures exceeded at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.28/Storable.pm line 278, at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 271.
2056 [15:01:20] <noodlepie> E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i'
2057 [15:01:20] <noodlepie> E: Sub-process returned an error code
2058 [15:01:27] <noodlepie> What's up with it?
2059 [15:02:46] <noodlepie> I'm doing "apt update && apt upgrade (perhaps dist-upgrade)"
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2115 [15:41:14] <milkt> xVim, what script are you running? if script needs root privileges, you cannot run script successfully without sudo or as root privilege
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2117 [15:42:31] <xVim> milkt: I am running a custom python script that changes the monitor brightness by writing a value to /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness.
2118 [15:42:52] <xVim> Therefore it needs sudo privileges. It works fine with sudo, but not without
2119 [15:43:28] <relaxed> xVim: you have to use sudo, but it requires no password
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2121 [15:43:32] <xVim> I want that a normal user (without root privileges) can use the script too
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2123 [15:44:01] <xVim> Ah okay now I understand
2124 [15:44:04] <sahar69> try to add user to it but i dont know how
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2127 [15:45:11] <xVim> I thought that once I added the line in the sudoers file, I could run it without explicitly writing sudo (which didnt work)
2128 [15:45:36] <xVim> Thanks everyone for the help
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2130 [15:45:44] <relaxed> you're welcome
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2164 [16:05:59] <InvisibleRasta> hello, anyone tried installing debian on btrfs subvolume? is there a guide ?
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2214 [16:29:49] <doublehp> I am using buster and I don't find the package freecad which should be supported by Debian replaced-url
2215 [16:30:08] <doublehp> I have main contrib non-free
2216 [16:31:00] <nkuttler> !tell doublehp about debian-next
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2221 [16:37:41] <annadane> doublehp, replaced-url
2222 [16:38:08] <annadane> doublehp, packages can get removed from testing while they fix release-critical bugs
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2225 [16:38:47] <doublehp> annadane: any way to still get it ? from stable, or else ...
2226 [16:39:28] <annadane> doublehp, you can try installing it from unstable, running a mixed system like that is usually fine, just read what apt tells you and be cautious
2227 [16:40:10] <annadane> (fine if you're *already running testing*. users running stable shouldn't start running mixed systems with testing/unstable)
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2252 [16:57:13] <komunista> hi all
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2260 [17:00:35] <allan_wind> How do I run perf as a regular user? Is there no per user control, or do you have to do it system wide with /proc/sys/kernel/perf_event_paranoid?
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2302 [17:22:34] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Is there a substitue for rar, or a way to install it on debian 9? I don't see it in the non-free repository
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2305 [17:23:54] <annadane> there's an unrar package
2306 [17:24:03] <annadane> idk about free alternatives
2307 [17:24:31] <annadane> sorry, i misread your question
2308 [17:24:43] <RandomGuyOnIrc> ok thanks, I mistyped something
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2311 [17:24:52] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I see lots of packages with apt-cache search unrar
2312 [17:24:54] <annadane> rar is in debian. i see it - maybe your sources list is wrong
2313 [17:25:11] <annadane> post it to paste.debian.net?
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2319 [17:27:03] <RandomGuyOnIrc> annadane: I must have had fat fingers. I am seeing lots of rar related compression utilities.
2320 [17:27:53] <annadane> i'm sure there has to be free alternatives, if you care about that sort of thing
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2349 [17:40:50] <RandomGuyOnIrc> well according to various internet blocks, 'apt-get install rar' should work. But it does not. This is my sources.list file: replaced-url
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2357 [17:43:53] <Caretaker13> Hi. Running Debian 64-bit Unstable Cinnamon DE on laptop. Not very knowledgeable about sound stuff. Sound okay last night. Today did update, no sound at all. Cinnamon sound settings applet shows "Dummy Output" as only output device, instead of "Speakers" as previously. WTF? What to check?
2358 [17:45:29] <yo9fah> replaced-url
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2360 [17:45:34] <l1nuxg33k> Randomguy what does apt say?
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2364 [17:46:16] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have found cE: Package 'rar' has no installation candidate
2365 [17:46:36] <RandomGuyOnIrc> hmmmm cryptic corrupted paste
2366 [17:46:42] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Package 'rar' has no installation candidate
2367 [17:46:43] <annadane> !debian-next
2368 [17:46:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2369 [17:46:45] <annadane> Caretaker13, ^
2370 [17:46:45] <RandomGuyOnIrc> that is correct
2371 [17:47:22] <yo9fah> replaced-url
2372 [17:48:10] <annadane> (grumble, do you seriously need non-free software just for .rar)
2373 [17:48:21] <yo9fah> I installed yesterday.
2374 [17:48:35] <bites> RandomGuyOnIrc: you are missing contrib non-free in your sources.list line 7
2375 [17:48:41] <l1nuxg33k> What about unrar?
2376 [17:48:50] <EdePopede> rarcrack and unrarfree seem to be the only related packages
2377 [17:48:58] <Caretaker13> Trying to get registered there now.
2378 [17:48:58] <EdePopede> sry, unrar-free
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2382 [17:50:46] <EdePopede> from en:wp: Open format? No (decompression source code is available, but it's not free software due to the restriction that it must not be used to reverse engineer the RAR compression algorithm)
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2385 [17:51:23] <RandomGuyOnIrc> bites: thanks now it works
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2387 [17:52:47] <RandomGuyOnIrc> annadane: I am looking to create a library of compressed multimedia files. vlc is supposed to play nice with rar. Do you know a better way?
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2389 [17:53:36] <annadane> i don't know of a better way, i'm just surprised one would need non-free software for that sort of thing
2390 [17:53:47] <annadane> i'm sure there has to be free alternatives
2391 [17:53:54] <annadane> but i'm being kinda off topic so just ignore my rambling
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2393 [17:54:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have spent several hours looking. I would much prefer a free alternative.
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2395 [17:54:31] <RandomGuyOnIrc> finally gave up, and am hoping rar + vlc works
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2401 [17:57:05] <bites> hmm... even the p7zip rar module is non-free.
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2403 [17:58:32] <EdePopede> but... why even compressing media files? maybe made sense with DVD content (VOB/MP2), but i'm not sure up-to-date mp4 can be compressed by a reasonable ratio.
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2408 [18:00:23] <lxsameer> hey folks, how can I find a package that installs a certain file
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2412 [18:00:26] <danielboston26> I am having a issue i tried to install the nvidia drivers for my thinkpad and i screwed something up
2413 [18:01:08] <RandomGuyOnIrc> LoL, well I learn something new everyday. My mp4 files are already optimally compressed. It is silly to use rar bzip or anything else. This is what happens when you work all day on an asci terminal, and never do recreation on a linux gui.
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2415 [18:01:55] <danielboston26> Couldn’t; boot into GUI removed them now i can boot but can’t log into my user it just takes me back to logon screen]
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2417 [18:02:02] <annadane> lxsameer, apt-file
2418 [18:02:08] <danielboston26> How do i fix this?
2419 [18:02:25] <danielboston26> Do i have to reinstall xorg?
2420 [18:02:31] <lxsameer> annadane: thanks
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2423 [18:03:51] <danielboston26> ???
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2428 [18:05:08] <EdePopede> RandomGuyOnIrc: i'm curious. did you ever compare the size of a mp4 packed into a rar to one compressed with xz? i made my way through the years with gzip, bzip2, 7zip and then xz. whose compression ratio is just wow. (why i ask: i tested mp4->xz and found out it makes no sense at all)
2429 [18:05:19] <danielboston26> Anyone?
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2438 [18:07:47] <yo9fah> danielboston26: How did you install the nVIDIA driver?
2439 [18:08:16] <danielboston26> Apt remove and apt author move
2440 [18:08:23] <danielboston26> Apt autoremove
2441 [18:08:33] <yo9fah> I want to install myself. I have a laptop asus x55vdr
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2443 [18:09:33] <danielboston26> yo9fah:
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2446 [18:11:06] <danielboston26> Oh install misread what you wrote i used apt the included nividia driver’
2447 [18:11:22] <danielboston26> That’s not the issue i want. To know how i can fix xorg
2448 [18:11:54] <danielboston26> Do i have to remove xorg and reinstall yo9fah?
2449 [18:12:00] <yo9fah> no
2450 [18:12:06] <danielboston26> Ok
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2454 [18:12:28] <danielboston26> So how do i fix?
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2456 [18:12:50] <danielboston26> When i type in my password it just bounces me page to the login page
2457 [18:13:57] <yo9fah> a few years ago I was able to install the driver, but now I see there are other instructions
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2459 [18:14:52] <ca1ek> i've set up a samba server and it's so slow it fails to actually send a file
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2461 [18:15:14] <ca1ek> what do i need to change in the config so it's fast
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2465 [18:16:28] <danielboston26> so does anyone know how to fix my issue?
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2467 [18:16:42] <yo9fah> init 1 > Installl: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings
2468 [18:16:57] <yo9fah> nvidia-xconfig
2469 [18:17:00] <yo9fah> reboot
2470 [18:17:03] <danielboston26> i don’t want nvidia thats what broke it
2471 [18:17:05] <yo9fah> is ok?
2472 [18:17:14] <yo9fah> I see
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2477 [18:18:22] <komunista> please, why is nfs-common.service masked (in testing)?
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2481 [18:19:18] <komunista> is it not needed anymore? or replaced?
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2496 [18:27:03] <annadane> !debian-next
2497 [18:27:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2498 [18:27:07] <annadane> komunista, ^
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2500 [18:27:27] <annadane> (can we not just move the damn channel to freenode?)
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2506 [18:29:26] <komunista> annadane: thanks, but it is masked on stable too, then the question is relevant here
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2532 [18:40:30] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys i am following the deboostrap methd to install. from here: replaced-url
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2534 [18:40:43] <InvisibleRasta> i am getting stuck at running the command /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH stretch \
2535 [18:40:53] <InvisibleRasta> it jsut hangs without doing anything
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2540 [18:43:47] <mspe> you didn't copy/paste the two lines
2541 [18:44:01] <InvisibleRasta> /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd65 \ /mnt/ replaced-url
2542 [18:44:04] <InvisibleRasta> like this?
2543 [18:44:11] <InvisibleRasta> i think i ahve to remove the \?
2544 [18:44:23] <mspe> you can remove it, if you want
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2547 [18:45:46] <InvisibleRasta> mspe: replaced-url
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2551 [18:48:26] <InvisibleRasta> im not sure why i get that
2552 [18:48:27] <mspe> arch should be amd64 (not amd65) and you forgot one paramter before /mnt/, the release you want (stretch, jessie, sid, etc.)
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2556 [18:49:30] <InvisibleRasta> lol what a dumb typo
2557 [18:49:32] <InvisibleRasta> ffs
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2559 [18:49:36] <mspe> for example with stretch
2560 [18:49:38] <mspe> debootstrap --arch amd64 stretch /mnt replaced-url
2561 [18:50:01] * InvisibleRasta is feeling dumb.
2562 [18:50:36] <cryptodan_mobile> Ya need more coffee InvisibleRasta to bootstrap lol
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2564 [18:50:42] <mspe> you don't even need --arch if you're running the same arch as the target ^^
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2568 [18:53:24] <InvisibleRasta> by any chance you know how many GB's it pulls?
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2579 [19:05:00] <n4dir> i don't think you will even hit the GB
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2590 [19:08:57] <InvisibleRasta> n4dir: # debootstrap --second-stage
2591 [19:08:59] <InvisibleRasta> cat: /usr/share/debootstrap/suite: No such file or directory
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2595 [19:09:54] <InvisibleRasta> ah that is for different arch
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2601 [19:11:53] <peaceguy> hi all :)
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2603 [19:12:05] <peaceguy> i would like to disable completely the bluetooth and cups services
2604 [19:12:06] <InvisibleRasta> hola
2605 [19:12:08] <peaceguy> please help me :)
2606 [19:12:11] <peaceguy> hola InvisibleRasta :)
2607 [19:12:14] <peaceguy> hi neo4 :)
2608 [19:12:48] <neo4> peaceguy: hello! how is a young life?
2609 [19:13:00] <peaceguy> :)
2610 [19:13:05] <peaceguy> it is good, thanks :)
2611 [19:13:09] <peaceguy> how are you? :)
2612 [19:13:34] <neo4> peaceguy: try this
2613 [19:13:34] <neo4> sudo apt-get purge *cups*
2614 [19:13:55] <neo4> it should remove cups completely
2615 [19:14:05] <peaceguy> well could i just disable the service, to just stop it from starting?
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2617 [19:14:31] <peaceguy> rather to avoid removing packages
2618 [19:14:39] <peaceguy> hi Ticho_ :)
2619 [19:14:52] <neo4> peaceguy: try this
2620 [19:14:52] <neo4> sudo systemctl disable cups.service
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2622 [19:15:15] <peaceguy> and for bluetooth?
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2624 [19:15:27] <peaceguy> i did that command for bluetooth.target and bluetooth.service
2625 [19:15:40] <peaceguy> and i do suspend and when i wake up it says something about bluetooth
2626 [19:16:12] <neo4> peaceguy: maybe the same to use systemctl
2627 [19:16:24] <peaceguy> i did use systemctl
2628 [19:16:36] <neo4> you need to know which service runs blutooth
2629 [19:16:43] <neo4> peaceguy: what do you use?
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2631 [19:16:52] <peaceguy> like for bluetooth?
2632 [19:17:00] <peaceguy> i use debian 9.5
2633 [19:17:11] <neo4> peaceguy: I don't know I use ubuntu 16.04
2634 [19:17:39] <peaceguy> it should be the same pretty much
2635 [19:17:45] <neo4> there is probably the same
2636 [19:17:47] <neo4> yes
2637 [19:17:49] <peaceguy> i just don't get just disable *service should be it
2638 [19:17:53] <peaceguy> straightforward
2639 [19:17:55] <peaceguy> but it's not
2640 [19:18:20] <neo4> peaceguy: you can check the status by
2641 [19:18:20] <neo4> sudo systemctl status needed.service
2642 [19:18:31] <neo4> there you will see whether it disable or not
2643 [19:18:41] <peaceguy> yes i tried
2644 [19:19:07] <peaceguy> .service is loaded
2645 [19:19:07] <fassl> but just disabling it wont stop it afaik
2646 [19:19:10] <peaceguy> inactive
2647 [19:19:12] <InvisibleRasta> what package proveds deb-src?
2648 [19:19:14] <peaceguy> yes
2649 [19:19:17] <peaceguy> true fassl
2650 [19:19:27] <peaceguy> and target is active
2651 [19:19:30] <peaceguy> loaded
2652 [19:19:37] <peaceguy> i want to stop it from loading
2653 [19:19:38] <neo4> fassl: it will not run the service next reload
2654 [19:19:41] <peaceguy> starting on boot
2655 [19:19:46] <peaceguy> ok
2656 [19:20:07] <peaceguy> but i'm pretty sure i already issued the disable command
2657 [19:20:25] <neo4> disable, enable, start, start, stop, reload, status
2658 [19:20:40] <neo4> look at the status, to be sure
2659 [19:20:49] <peaceguy> i looked at status
2660 [19:20:55] <peaceguy> perhaps it changes after reboot
2661 [19:21:06] <neo4> there should be written disabled or enabled
2662 [19:21:10] <peaceguy> maybe stop then disable?
2663 [19:21:13] <peaceguy> ok
2664 [19:21:18] <peaceguy> it says active
2665 [19:21:21] <peaceguy> so first stop
2666 [19:21:23] <peaceguy> ?
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2669 [19:22:15] <neo4> no, nothing I tried with apache, it's didn't show anything, just inactive
2670 [19:22:28] <peaceguy> hi tomcat8 :)
2671 [19:22:31] <peaceguy> hi mfrisch :)
2672 [19:23:25] <peaceguy> static what's static?
2673 [19:23:50] <peaceguy> says /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.target; static; vendor preset: enabled
2674 [19:23:54] <peaceguy> static instead of disabled?
2675 [19:24:00] <peaceguy> i should reboot now
2676 [19:24:23] <neo4> norm
2677 [19:24:36] <at0m> !reboot
2678 [19:24:36] <dpkg> You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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2683 [19:25:11] <peaceguy> because i want to see will it start with boot
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2686 [19:25:43] <peaceguy> hi fcanela :)
2687 [19:25:45] <peaceguy> hi tsglove2 :)
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2689 [19:26:15] <peaceguy> status command exited with exit code 3
2690 [19:26:18] <InvisibleRasta> how do i apt install linux-image-amd64/stable 4.9+80+deb9u6
2691 [19:26:20] <InvisibleRasta> ?
2692 [19:26:35] <peaceguy> it said unit not needed anymore stopping stopped target reached target stopped target
2693 [19:26:39] <InvisibleRasta> it gives me error
2694 [19:27:03] <fassl> just out of curiosity, could you just have done systemctl isolate graphical.target instead of reboot?
2695 [19:27:37] <peaceguy> right now i have no x running
2696 [19:28:16] <fassl> or whatever target you are on
2697 [19:29:07] <peaceguy> ok
2698 [19:29:10] <peaceguy> i will do it
2699 [19:29:12] <peaceguy> thanks :)
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2710 [19:36:19] <peaceguy> so
2711 [19:36:32] <peaceguy> why is rebooting/shutting down from console only sometimes slow?
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2715 [19:38:24] <at0m> peaceguy: any network mounts that fail to unmount?
2716 [19:38:32] <peaceguy> no
2717 [19:38:50] <peaceguy> and also there's a timer
2718 [19:38:59] <peaceguy> like 1 minute 30 seconds when shutting down
2719 [19:40:39] <peaceguy> i rebooted and it says bluetooth.target is active, but not bluetooth.service
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2722 [19:41:58] <peaceguy> hi ScottE :)
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2724 [19:43:27] <Sveta> "pdfedit was an editor for manipulating PDF documents; it is no longer available in debian"
2725 [19:43:31] <at0m> peaceguy: FYI, this isn't a social channel. we don't hi/bye much here. some people are in *lots* of channels, and may only check hilights.
2726 [19:43:38] <Sveta> what gui editor to modify pdf can i now use?
2727 [19:43:47] <at0m> ,v pdfedit
2728 [19:43:48] <judd> No package named 'pdfedit' was found in amd64.
2729 [19:43:49] <Sveta> and why is pdfedit no longer available?
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2731 [19:45:09] <jelly> judd: bug rm pdfedit
2732 [19:45:11] <peaceguy> sorry at0m
2733 [19:45:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2734 [19:45:18] <peaceguy> i just greet
2735 [19:45:28] <at0m> peaceguy: no need here :)
2736 [19:45:33] <peaceguy> ok :)
2737 [19:45:35] <peaceguy> sorry
2738 [19:45:39] <at0m> no worries
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2778 [20:09:21] <peaceguy> when i reboot there is a message bluetooth firmware failed to load
2779 [20:09:28] <peaceguy> how can i disable loading of bluetooth firmware?
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2838 [20:47:40] <KNERD> peaceguy: Why not just install it?
2839 [20:48:34] <KNERD> Just visit /etc/apt.sources.list and add in 'non-free' to the first URL listen then install it
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2844 [20:49:36] <peaceguy> KNERD: the firmware?
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2846 [20:49:49] <peaceguy> but i don't want to use bluetooth i want it to stop starting on boot
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2854 [20:52:26] <KNERD> well , if the firmware is not loaded, then you certainly are not using it
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2857 [20:53:14] <KNERD> agio: I upgraded my Debian 8 last night, and iFirefox is still pre version 59
2858 [20:54:09] <peaceguy> but the error about failed loading means something is trying to load it and i want to disable that
2859 [20:55:07] <blackpit> peaceguy: perhaps find what module it's trying to load and blacklist it
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2861 [20:55:14] <KNERD> Personally, I don't know. Maybe disable the device in BIOS, or a switch ? I mean you only see it during boot
2862 [20:55:19] <blackpit> you could also disable bluetooth in the BIOS
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2866 [20:56:37] <peaceguy> yes
2867 [20:56:50] <peaceguy> when i suspend and then wake it says that error kind of annoyinh
2868 [20:56:56] <peaceguy> annoying*
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2870 [20:57:38] <KNERD> Like I have this Toshiba Latop which asa a switch on the front of it which wil disable Wi-Fi & Bluetooth
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2873 [20:58:25] <peaceguy> i don't have a switch
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2875 [20:58:32] <peaceguy> bios is ok but i hoped for a command solution
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2877 [20:58:47] <blackpit> peaceguy: perhaps rfkill block bluetooth
2878 [20:59:01] <blackpit> rfkill list
2879 [20:59:20] <blackpit> check if bluetooth is shown there, and block it, maybe the error will go away
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2881 [20:59:31] <blackpit> not sure, never tried it, I have BT disabled in the BIOS on my laptop
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2883 [21:00:25] <peaceguy> cool i forgot about rfkill
2884 [21:00:28] <peaceguy> thanks everyone :D
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2901 [21:11:25] <Guest36> I would like to configure iptables this way replaced-url
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2903 [21:12:18] <pragomer> libreoffice 6.x icons are very blurry. any idea how to fix that?
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2915 [21:20:02] <KNERD> Guest36: You dont need a browser to configure IP atables
2916 [21:22:03] <Guest36> KNERD The browser has been opened only to test the HTTP connection
2917 [21:23:21] <KNERD> oh okay
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2919 [21:23:46] <KNERD> if you wan tto configure IP tables like that then just copy past those lines into the command line
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2990 [21:54:47] <hid3> Good evening everyone. What is the best alternative for lynx web browser? basically I need 'lynx -dump' functionality
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2994 [21:57:12] <saper> what's wrong with lynx -dump? You might also try w3m -dump
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2996 [21:59:23] <hid3> I'm getting "SSL error" with links and lynx
2997 [21:59:39] <hid3> probably something "not according standards" on that site but I won't be investigating it
2998 [21:59:44] <hid3> I only need the data from that site
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3014 [22:06:11] <noln> maybe elinks -dump
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3082 [22:39:01] <LinuxFire> Hows everyone doing tonight.
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3084 [22:39:34] <saper> Pretty well, thank you very much LinuxFire. And you?
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3086 [22:41:05] <LinuxFire> I just have a quick question. Ive been having some DNS issues with a site im working on was wondering if you you guys can get to it or if its still happening>
3087 [22:41:37] <joepublic> !ask
3088 [22:41:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3089 [22:41:40] <LinuxFire> replaced-url
3090 [22:41:48] <noln> LinuxFire, downforeveryoneorjustme.com
3091 [22:41:52] <annadane> ^
3092 [22:42:14] <joepublic> LinuxFire, resolves to 108.26.50.104 for me
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3094 [22:42:37] <noln> it's one of those things you'd never think you need, but when you have them, you think "how could I live without it"
3095 [22:43:07] <joepublic> another is iidrn.com ("is it down right now")
3096 [22:43:55] <LinuxFire> Ok so you are able to reach the site then jopublic
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3098 [22:44:20] <joepublic> I dunno, didn't try. You said you have a DNS problem; that's what it resolves to for me by DNS.
3099 [22:44:49] <LinuxFire> yeah wich is correct
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3103 [22:45:41] <peaceguy> hi LinuxFire :)
3104 [22:46:01] <LinuxFire> Hi peaceguy
3105 [22:46:06] <peaceguy> :)
3106 [22:46:08] <peaceguy> how are you?
3107 [22:46:18] <joepublic> linuxfire, When I instruct a browser to load that address, the connection times out.
3108 [22:46:24] <LinuxFire> Not to bad.
3109 [22:46:54] <peaceguy> :)
3110 [22:46:56] <LinuxFire> hmm ok thanks joepublic
3111 [22:46:57] <peaceguy> nice :)
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3115 [22:47:51] <annadane> i like the idea of the site name if it is what i think it is (can't access site lol)
3116 [22:48:04] <annadane> it reminds me of think penguin, a linux hardware vendor
3117 [22:48:04] <joepublic> hmm, wget says it is getting two IP addresses for your name, actually. 108.26.50.104, 192.168.1.178
3118 [22:48:14] <joepublic> that's probably not what you want, if I had to guess.
3119 [22:48:17] <annadane> (which i have not purchased from so not an advertisement and nor can i vet it)
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3123 [22:50:44] <LinuxFire> Yeah joepublic its gotta be something in the DNS setup for my A records
3124 [22:51:07] <joepublic> well, that's "a" problem, but probably not "the" problem
3125 [22:51:39] <LinuxFire> If you try replaced-url
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3128 [22:52:26] <LinuxFire> its very strange cause it works and then it dosen't
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3130 [22:53:15] <joepublic> with https, no. with http, "OpenPenguinSolutions is under construction"
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3132 [22:53:29] <LinuxFire> hmm ok
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3134 [22:54:15] <joepublic> you can do both parts of this if you have a vps somewhere; lowendbox has them and most have debian stable as a choice for OS.
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3140 [22:56:27] <LinuxFire> I just set up ssl yesterday it was working now its not.
3141 [22:57:25] <joepublic> My SSL Experience is limited to letsencrypt on apache2, and boils down to "run their script and pray"
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3144 [22:58:36] <LinuxFire> yeah im using letsencrypt
3145 [22:58:56] <LinuxFire> I think it might be a port issue
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3147 [22:59:22] <LinuxFire> cause https uses port 443 I believe
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3154 [23:03:15] <KNERD> Just pay the $9 a year, and be done with it
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3156 [23:04:22] <LinuxFire> try replaced-url
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3158 [23:05:11] <KNERD> that is not port issue, but seems to be DNS
3159 [23:05:25] <joepublic> I can now load the page.
3160 [23:06:01] <LinuxFire> great thanks joepublic port 443 was blocked at the router level
3161 [23:06:18] <KNERD> I am getting, "Server not found"
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3163 [23:06:34] <LinuxFire> hmm ok
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3165 [23:06:54] <joepublic> my goodness it sure is handy to have an offsite VPS to troubleshoot these things.
3166 [23:07:06] <KNERD> replaced-url
3167 [23:07:46] <LinuxFire> Ok so something is still hinky with DNS
3168 [23:07:57] <KNERD> yeah
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3179 [23:12:03] <woenx> Hi. Has anyone some experience in resizing partitions in a RAID1?
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3184 [23:13:15] <fassl> why does it have a local ip as A record?
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3191 [23:15:36] <vlt> woenx: Yes.
3192 [23:15:36] <woenx> how can I resize a partition without losing data?
3193 [23:15:52] <vlt> woenx: Increase it.
3194 [23:16:11] <woenx> I have a RAID1 drive (/mnt/md0), with two 750GB drives in it.
3195 [23:16:27] <woenx> one of the drives broke (a few months ago) so I replaced it with a 4TB drive
3196 [23:16:32] <woenx> the partition still showed 750GB, obviously.
3197 [23:16:45] <woenx> Today I replaced the second 750GB drive by another 4TB drive
3198 [23:17:04] <woenx> so now I have two 4TB drives, but the /dev/md0 RAID partition is configured for 750GB
3199 [23:17:11] <woenx> and it's driving me crazy
3200 [23:17:53] <woenx> I tried to remove the drives from the drive (one at a time), delete the partition, convert the partition table to GPT (because it's greater than 2tb), and then re-add it to the raid
3201 [23:18:08] <woenx> which again is restored and shows the 750gb partition.
3202 [23:19:06] <vlt> woenx: Did you --grow md0?
3203 [23:19:24] <woenx> I think so, but it was already at the maximum capacity
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3205 [23:19:31] <woenx> I guess the underlying partitions have to be resized first
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3207 [23:19:51] <woenx> I'm trying the "parted" tool, but it's confusing...
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3213 [23:21:30] <woenx> but it just gives me assorted random errors
3214 [23:21:30] <woenx> now it's "Error: Could not detect file system."
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3219 [23:22:50] <seizer> woenx: try mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --size=max.
3220 [23:23:09] <woenx> but now one of the drives is outside the raid
3221 [23:23:19] <woenx> (and i've messed with it...)
3222 [23:23:54] <woenx> mdadm: component size of /dev/md0 unchanged at 732571904K
3223 [23:23:55] <woenx> mdadm: Limited v0.90 array to 2TB per device
3224 [23:23:58] <woenx> this is what I get
3225 [23:25:32] <woenx> I'm tempted of removing everything and creating the raid from scratch again... but I don't want to spend hours restoring a backup
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3229 [23:27:43] <woenx> anyway, I've readded the resized drive to the RAID. Now it's going to take an hour and a half to sync.
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3242 [23:36:21] <minimal_life> Hi. I haven't used my Debin box for a while and when trying to update, I'm getting this message. Any ideas? The repository 'replaced-url
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3246 [23:36:57] <foobiebletch> Is there a good text on the ins and outs of debian? How it boots and works with linux, its drivers etc.
3247 [23:37:41] <minimal_life> It also comnplains about apt-get being deprecated and not to use it.
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3253 [23:38:58] <joepublic> foobiebletch, this document isn't too bad: replaced-url
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3256 [23:40:39] <foobiebletch> joepublic: wow that's a lot
3257 [23:44:08] <joepublic> minimal_life, it's possible that the example sources.list file here might help you: replaced-url
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