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6 [00:06:03] <at0m> testingdebian: and the checksum of the .iso is correct, and you checksummed the burned/copied .iso?
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10 [00:06:33] <testingdebian> I checksummed the downloaded iso
11 [00:06:34] <testingdebian> but
12 [00:06:42] <testingdebian> I didn't check the usb stick iso
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34 [00:28:40] <Gerowen> AMD Radeon RX 480 graphics card; worked in previous installations on same machine, now machine won't boot unless I add nomodeset in grub which forces me to an un-accelerated 1024x768 resolution. Currently have kernel 4.18 and firmware-linux packages both pulled from Stretch backports.
35 [00:28:48] <Gerowen> Without "nomodeset", I get the system message about how it checked the system drive and then just a blinking cursor.
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37 [00:28:54] <Gerowen> With nomodeset added it takes a good 2-3 minutes and the screen flashes multiple times, but it does eventually boot to this low res mode.
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43 [00:34:10] <Gerowen> It works fine with the default packages until I install the new kernel from backports, but I have to have the new kernel for my Corsair Glaive mouse to work.
44 [00:34:22] <Gerowen> It works fine with the default packages until I install the new kernel from backports, but I have to have the new kernel for my Corsair Glaive mouse to work.
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72 [00:52:57] <qifan> HOW TO: Fix the flash screen ? after updating to backports
73 [00:53:01] <qifan> kernel
74 [00:53:21] <abrotman> the flash screen?
75 [00:53:33] <qifan> sure the screen flash alot reseting the signal
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100 [01:15:51] <ajrs> replaced-url
101 [01:15:53] <ajrs> help
102 [01:15:54] <ajrs> please
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104 [01:17:14] <AndyChow888> Try to install one of the dependencies, and paste what error messages you get.
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106 [01:17:57] <Brigo> XDD
107 [01:18:53] <annadane> ecks dee dee?
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112 [01:22:50] <jelly> !bat
113 [01:22:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
114 [01:22:54] <jelly> ajrs: ^
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118 [01:24:26] <annadane> another tragic crosspost. except this one has help going on both channels
119 [01:24:39] <annadane> they rebooted and will be back
120 [01:24:45] <awal1> why if I assign a given keyboard shortcut for a given program in .Xresources that choice primes over all other shortcut assigned for other apps in there config files?
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122 [01:24:59] <awal1> an example: yeahconsole*keyFull:None+F11 (for fullscrean yeahconsole-urxvt) .
123 [01:25:16] <awal1> so F12 for guake (fullscreen is ignored)
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125 [01:25:28] <awal1> i mean i wanted to understand why .Xresources have primacy
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127 [01:26:05] <awal1> jelly, graycat, old school guys, no idea? :P
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129 [01:26:20] <annadane> grey's not here on weekends and not at this time anyway
130 [01:26:32] <awal1> i see
131 [01:26:39] <annadane> jelly just doesn't sleep ever so that's a safe bet
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135 [01:27:02] <abrotman> why does Xresources have priority over your DE settings?
136 [01:27:19] <awal1> yes
137 [01:27:26] <awal1> that abrotman
138 [01:27:42] <awal1> no DE, but X + openbox/fvwm
139 [01:27:47] <abrotman> I'd guess it's lower level than your DE/WM
140 [01:28:02] <awal1> "lower level"?
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144 [01:29:33] <OscarFM> Hi all, GN
145 [01:30:01] <awal1> ok, I understand abrotman
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147 [01:31:13] <OscarFM> sugest me a minimal browser please.. if possible vim-like but with UI .. only luakit ?
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161 [01:36:29] <awal1> luakit is almost obsolete, OscarFM
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163 [01:37:10] <awal1> ,v luakit
164 [01:37:12] <judd> Package: luakit on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.03.25-1; sid: 2012.09.13-r1-8+b1; stretch: 2012.09.13-r1-8+b1
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167 [01:38:58] <awal1> links/2 is good
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171 [01:47:52] <squarecircle> anyone using DisplayLink devices and could help me debug my setup?
172 [01:48:01] <squarecircle> I have some trouble with mine
173 [01:48:18] <OscarFM> at sysctrl.conf ( 1 ) is true right ?
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179 [01:54:27] <squarecircle> I dont get the providers listet
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238 [02:28:03] <COOurb> Hey
239 [02:28:16] <COOurb> Is it possible to make OS based on Debian and then sell it?
240 [02:28:46] <annadane> sure
241 [02:28:51] <squarecircle> sure
242 [02:28:53] <annadane> free software allows the sale of software
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245 [02:29:37] <COOurb> should sources be open?
246 [02:29:45] <squarecircle> sure
247 [02:29:48] <COOurb> hm
248 [02:29:51] <COOurb> ok
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250 [02:30:18] <COOurb> And what actions developer of debian-based OS should take to provide sources?
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255 [02:32:25] <squarecircle> offer the sources for mail or download
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269 [02:37:57] <awal1> squarecircle, you want to build your own debian based OS for comercial purposes?
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272 [02:38:49] <squarecircle> awal1: COOurb wants to
273 [02:39:07] <awal1> ah, excuses
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276 [02:39:36] <awal1> COOurb, you want to build your own debian based OS for comercial purposes?
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281 [02:47:54] <COOurb> awal1: there is 'legal' debian-based OS in Russia called Astra Linux
282 [02:48:30] <awal1> and?
283 [02:48:33] <COOurb> And according to law, all government offices should move from existing OSes to some Russian OS
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285 [02:48:55] <COOurb> So this Os is approved by security service and some others
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287 [02:49:13] <COOurb> but it costs about 30$
288 [02:49:36] <COOurb> when MSWindows's price is about 60$
289 [02:49:46] <COOurb> BUT, we pirated all Windows
290 [02:49:52] <awal1> i heard about that
291 [02:49:57] <COOurb> and that's fine, nobody care
292 [02:50:31] <awal1> i mean, russia switching all admin office to gnu/linux based systems
293 [02:50:34] <awal1> good idea
294 [02:50:46] <COOurb> But if we will move to it (I mean, some Russian OS) we should provide proofs of legality of obtaining this OS
295 [02:50:54] <squarecircle> the rest of Europe moves the other direction though
296 [02:51:18] <COOurb> And I didn't find any sources
297 [02:51:27] <COOurb> and I don't wanna pay for this OS
298 [02:51:36] <astra`> 10:47:54 <COOurb> awal1: there is 'legal' debian-based OS in Russia called Astra Linux
299 [02:51:49] <COOurb> ya
300 [02:51:53] <COOurb> replaced-url
301 [02:52:02] <astra`> wtf?
302 [02:52:07] <astra`> lolol
303 [02:52:44] <COOurb> replaced-url
304 [02:52:52] <astra`> heh
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307 [02:54:09] <COOurb> also, there is a big problem with surveillance
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309 [02:54:27] <COOurb> I prefer some "non country based" linux
310 [02:54:34] <COOurb> and I use Debian at home
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317 [02:58:20] <astra`> so do i
318 [02:58:45] <astra`> ubuntu 18.04 and debian stretch
319 [02:58:51] <astra`> :3
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321 [03:00:38] <RandomSerb> is unity webplayer available for debian?
322 [03:00:49] <RandomSerb> Googling didn't help much
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325 [03:01:29] <zumba_addict> folks, I'm getting this message when installing a package - Media change: please insert the disc labeled
326 [03:01:44] <zumba_addict> next line is Debian GNU/Linux 9.5.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20180714-10:25'
327 [03:01:50] <COOurb> developer of AstraLinux said "nobody can force developer to publish sources of his work"
328 [03:01:51] <RandomSerb> zumba_addict, edit sources.list to remove the first repo line
329 [03:01:59] <zumba_addict> which directory can I find it?
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331 [03:02:12] <zumba_addict> apt?
332 [03:02:17] <RandomSerb> yep
333 [03:02:18] <zumba_addict> in /etc/apt
334 [03:02:19] <zumba_addict> cool
335 [03:02:26] <annadane> zumba_addict, comment out the cd lines
336 [03:02:32] <annadane> in other words put a # at the beginning
337 [03:02:35] <zumba_addict> will do. Thanks :)
338 [03:03:04] <zumba_addict> it worked! woohoo!
339 [03:03:11] <RandomSerb> :)
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342 [03:03:20] <COOurb> "No one has the right to force the copyright holder to publish the source code of the programs that are part of the operating system."
343 [03:03:23] <COOurb> wtf?
344 [03:03:59] <RandomSerb> COOurb, well, that's probably regarding proprietary os'
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347 [03:04:11] <RandomSerb> OSes
348 [03:04:34] <COOurb> so is it fine to Debian-based OS?
349 [03:04:40] <squarecircle> if the software is separately sold, its possible
350 [03:04:50] <COOurb> nope, full distrib
351 [03:04:58] <squarecircle> hm
352 [03:05:15] <COOurb> replaced-url
353 [03:05:28] <COOurb> in Russian, but you can translate it with google-translate
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355 [03:06:26] <RandomSerb> COOurb, as far as I know, debian main is GPL, which means all derivations have to be GPL.
356 [03:06:32] <RandomSerb> maybe I'm wrong, though
357 [03:06:43] <COOurb> sorry, I'm noob in it
358 [03:08:38] <RandomSerb> COOurb, Debian is licensed under General Public License, or GPL. And there's this rule in GPL: All code linked with GPL 3.0 source code must be disclosed under a GPL 3.0 compatible license.
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360 [03:09:23] <COOurb> So, can I say that we found inapropriate usage of GUN/GPL licensed source code?
361 [03:10:30] <RandomSerb> if you want your legal advisor to be RandomSerb from #debian on freenode, sure.
362 [03:11:21] <COOurb> hm, that's something
363 [03:11:36] <COOurb> because this Os already in use
364 [03:12:36] <COOurb> It is declared the Astra Linux licenses correspond with Russian and international laws and "don't contradict with the spirit and demands of GPL license".
365 [03:12:59] <agio> hi, I opened aptitude's TUI - to apply some updates, it immediately reported broken packages. but I never marked any packages for upgrades (yet) is it possible for debian to automatically mark packages itself? (say for urgent security updates)
366 [03:13:18] <COOurb> sec, afk
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369 [03:15:12] <RandomSerb> COOurb, so, this text you linked to is ambiguous. First it says that it respects both Russian and International law, then it says that per Russian low, it's intellectual property and no one can make them license it under GPL
370 [03:15:25] <zumba_addict> is there a debian package similar to pstree?
371 [03:15:53] <zumba_addict> apt-get install is saying no package
372 [03:16:05] <zumba_addict> omg, lol, my bad
373 [03:16:07] <zumba_addict> i
374 [03:16:11] <zumba_addict> i'm inside the container
375 [03:16:48] <zumba_addict> nope, it still fails
376 [03:16:51] <RandomSerb> COOurb, JSC NPO RusBITekh does not represent any rights and does not impose any restrictions on the software included in the operating systems that is not a development of JSC NPO RusBITech.Xiph.org Foundation License, etc.).
377 [03:17:30] <RandomSerb> so yeah, most likely their applications are going to be close-sourced, while the main OS is going to be still OpenSource.
378 [03:17:48] <RandomSerb> zumba_addict, tried apt-cache search?
379 [03:17:56] <zumba_addict> apt-get install psmisc
380 [03:18:00] <zumba_addict> oops
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382 [03:18:51] <zumba_addict> i'm good
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390 [03:28:23] <agio> does russia have copyright?
391 [03:29:19] <agio> like if you started pirating books, movies etc in russia, could you get sued?
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403 [03:47:47] <COOurb> back
404 [03:48:09] <COOurb> agio: only if you sharing these stuff
405 [03:48:15] <COOurb> downloading - legal
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408 [03:50:34] <annadane> torrents are both uploads and downloads
409 [03:50:39] <annadane> if you download something you begin seeding it
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502 [04:21:19] <COOurb> annadane: too hard for cops
503 [04:22:32] <COOurb> And most addresses from blacklist (yeah, in Russia we have such thing) are simple http, not torrent-trackers
504 [04:22:38] <COOurb> most == all
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515 [04:32:52] <zumba_addict> folks, i need libvirtd. How do I get it installed?
516 [04:33:12] <annadane> ,v libvirtd
517 [04:33:13] <judd> No package named 'libvirtd' was found in amd64.
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519 [04:33:34] <zumba_addict> i'm following this thread - replaced-url
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521 [04:33:56] <zumba_addict> the solution the guy did is install kvm
522 [04:33:59] <zumba_addict> how do I do that?
523 [04:34:10] <annadane> oh well kvm should just be apt install kvm
524 [04:34:17] <annadane> ,v kvm
525 [04:34:18] <judd> Package: kvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1:1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u25
526 [04:34:21] <annadane> errr
527 [04:34:22] <annadane> nooope.
528 [04:34:25] <zumba_addict> ok, i'll try i tnow
529 [04:34:31] <annadane> sorry. one sec.
530 [04:34:33] <zumba_addict> oh ok
531 [04:34:36] <zumba_addict> thank you
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534 [04:35:20] <annadane> the thing is, your question really depends on more than "how do i install a package in the archive" which is usually apt install foo
535 [04:35:30] <annadane> it depends on whatever that thread recommends which may or may not solve your problem
536 [04:35:39] <zumba_addict> k
537 [04:36:01] <annadane> so libvirtd and kvm are all virtualization things; kvm itself is not a package but it's a component of virtualization technologies
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539 [04:36:39] <annadane> there's libvirt-daemon, which is closest, i guess, but it's kinda hard for me to follow a thread without knowing what the problem is; is it your thread?
540 [04:37:09] <zumba_addict> yup, it's installing it
541 [04:37:19] <annadane> if not, do you have exactly the same problem as the poster of the thread? if not, what actual problem are you trying to solve?
542 [04:37:21] <zumba_addict> not my thread, i just found it
543 [04:37:24] <zumba_addict> yes
544 [04:37:29] <annadane> okay
545 [04:37:38] <annadane> fair enough. sorry, i'm also quite tired right now
546 [04:37:45] <zumba_addict> it's ok :)
547 [04:38:57] <annadane> well at least they install minikube into /usr/local and not some insane other place
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549 [04:39:20] <zumba_addict> yup
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551 [04:39:40] <annadane> beyond the usual "don't blindly use sudo on github projects" but let's assume i guess it's trustworthy even though it usually goes against best practices
552 [04:39:58] <annadane> let me actually *read* the thread...
553 [04:40:03] <zumba_addict> found the solution. - replaced-url
554 [04:41:39] <annadane> i do *not* know that much about virtualization. it's possible i'm wrong, but maybe it gets the ball rolling for others to answer
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556 [04:42:42] <annadane> i'd rather be slightly wrong and give general, non destructive advice, compared to just having the question completely ignored especially now when everyone else is asleep
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558 [04:43:44] <annadane> ah, ok, that link recommends libvirt-daemon-system
559 [04:44:03] <zumba_addict> i think it's working now. I'm installing kvm2
560 [04:44:17] <zumba_addict> i'm also starting it this way - minikube start --vm-driver kvm2
561 [04:44:35] <zumba_addict> had a warning earlier saying kvm is deprecated
562 [04:45:05] <annadane> but yeah, "kvm" apparently isn't a package, it's part of a technology that other packages use
563 [04:45:11] <zumba_addict> got it
564 [04:45:23] <annadane> based on my very uneducated opinion
565 [04:46:05] <annadane> good luck getting better answers at this time, if unsatisfied try again tomorrow or use the mailing lists *shrug*
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572 [04:49:12] <zumba_addict> this worked too --vm-driver=none :)
573 [04:49:20] <annadane> i'd probably just put it in .local/share/applications rather than use sudo for a github project (you give it a lot of trust), but whatever
574 [04:49:22] <zumba_addict> looks like I really don't need vm just like docker containers
575 [04:49:31] <zumba_addict> will do
576 [04:49:54] <annadane> (that's per user, i don't know if you want it system-wide)
577 [04:50:05] <annadane> i'm going out for a few minutes
578 [04:51:31] <annadane> tons of github pages will say sudo install blah blah and it's like... your product may be completely fine but it kind of violates the point of privilege seperation and trust
579 [04:51:45] <annadane> i always always use tar archives and things like that when applicable
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591 [04:59:59] <zumba_addict> hmm, I can't find libvirtd.service in /etc/systemd/system and /usr/lib/systemd. Are there other places?
592 [05:00:15] <zumba_addict> systemctl status libvirtd does show status
593 [05:00:34] <zumba_addict> lol, Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
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595 [05:00:57] <zumba_addict> is /lib/systemd the default in Stretch?
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597 [05:02:37] <mason> zumba_addict: yes
598 [05:02:47] <zumba_addict> got it
599 [05:03:10] <zumba_addict> what system could that be that I was at? It was in /usr/lib/systemd/system
600 [05:03:15] <zumba_addict> centos, fedora?
601 [05:03:38] <mason> zumba_addict: RHEL uses /usr/lib/systemd/system
602 [05:03:45] <mason> So probably CentOS, yes.
603 [05:03:45] <zumba_addict> cool, thanks!
604 [05:04:05] <mason> zumba_addict: Note that on RHEL, /lib is a symlink to /usr/lib.
605 [05:04:17] <zumba_addict> gotcha
606 [05:04:20] <mason> So you're safe talking about /lib/systemd/system everywhere.
607 [05:04:55] <zumba_addict> thanks again :)
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609 [05:08:11] <Penguin> Can someone please explain to me why the files inside the chromium-widevine package don't match the file list provided at replaced-url
610 [05:08:35] <Penguin> It doesn't make any sense to me.
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615 [05:13:31] <agio> does anyone know how to make apt list the packages which are marked with an action , e.g upgrade or install?
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618 [05:16:51] <annadane> not sure i understand the question
619 [05:18:19] <annadane> there's apt list --upgradable...
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621 [05:18:49] <agio> thats just the packages with a newer version available
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623 [05:19:18] <agio> if I under right, apt "marks" packages with a pending action
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626 [05:20:28] <Penguin> Probaly use dpkg-query instead of apt.
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628 [05:21:28] <Penguin> Maybe dpkg --get-selections is helpful?
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633 [05:25:19] <n4dir> i'd probably just do apt-get upgrade -s, and get the list that way.
634 [05:25:32] <n4dir> but then: i never had the need for such a list.
635 [05:25:38] <agio> Penguin: thanks, that works
636 [05:26:53] <agio> n4dir: yeah, that works too, thanks
637 [05:27:25] <n4dir> --simultate is more easy to remember, -s is faster to type.
638 [05:27:41] <n4dir> probably a typo, hence i use -s ...
639 [05:29:49] <agio> does anyone know if this upgrade to firefox-esr version 60 is being forced on us? what I mean is, it seems to me suddenly out of nowhere - If I run these commands like `apt-get upgrade --simulate' apt/dpkg is reporting all this dependey problems around firefox-esr, but I never asked for the upgrade - I don't think?
640 [05:30:18] <agio> debian would never do that right?
641 [05:30:35] <agio> thats _very_ undebian like
642 [05:31:12] <n4dir> agio: you are a bit late though. The upgrade of firefox in debian stable sure happened a few weeks ago. .
643 [05:31:59] <n4dir> And i don't remember any dependency problems (neither experienced myself, not read about it somewhere).
644 [05:32:47] <agio> n4dir: when you say "upgrade" you mean: the new version of firefox-esr was uploaded to the apt repository, but its still up to us to choose whether we want to install or not right?
645 [05:33:27] <n4dir> Sure, but isn't that always the case? If you don't upgrade, you don't upgrade?
646 [05:34:08] <agio> right - so it must have been me that marked the firefox package for upgrade then, I guess...
647 [05:34:48] <n4dir> well: apt-cache update ; will probably make that happen.
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650 [05:36:08] <agio> you mean apt-get update? surely not? that should only refresh the local package lists?
651 [05:36:27] <n4dir> sorry, confusion, just awoke, yes, you are right.
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653 [05:36:51] <n4dir> agio: gotta say i don't really understand you. I did never mark any packages for upgrades or such.
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655 [05:37:02] <n4dir> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
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661 [05:38:27] <n4dir> what will get upgraded happens kinda automatically (assuming i ran apt-get update).
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663 [05:39:04] <n4dir> action on the user side is only required if a package shall not be upgraded. for example.
664 [05:39:10] <agio> n4dir: yeah then what happens if your internet goes down during the upgrade - apt will remember your selections and try to re-apply them at a later time
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666 [05:39:40] <n4dir> depends when the internet goes down. But yes, sounds right.
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669 [05:41:20] <n4dir> though again: i for one did never select anything.
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671 [05:41:38] <acidtripper> The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!' A nasty DHCPv6 packet can pwn a vulnerable Linux box
672 [05:41:41] <acidtripper> ""
673 [05:41:46] <acidtripper> did someone read that article?
674 [05:42:30] <acidtripper> A buffer overflow vulnerability in the dhcp6 client of systemd allows a malicious dhcp6 server to overwrite heap memory in systemd-networkd. Affected releases are systemd: versions up to and including 239.
675 [05:42:38] <n4dir> agio: you mainly want to understand what is going on, or you got an actual problem ?
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677 [05:43:08] <agio> n4dir: I got a problem,
678 [05:43:09] <n4dir> if the former: you can go very deep down that rabbit hole, but i sure am not the right person to speak about such.
679 [05:44:31] <acidtripper> more to love systemd and poettering
680 [05:44:33] <acidtripper> :D
681 [05:44:58] <Milkshake> who would acquire debian?
682 [05:46:10] <acidtripper> hahaha is not for sale
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684 [05:46:40] <agio> n4dir: I just want to unmark all those packages
685 [05:46:41] <Milkshake> do you allow mass migration from other guys?
686 [05:47:05] <acidtripper> but, will be benefited from this ibm melt
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688 [05:47:13] <acidtripper> topic is.. who'll buy canonical
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690 [05:47:19] <Milkshake> google
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692 [05:47:31] <acidtripper> mmm
693 [05:47:33] <acidtripper> microsoft
694 [05:47:34] <acidtripper> :D
695 [05:47:46] <n4dir> agio: you don't want to upgrade them? Then simply don't run apt-get upgrade (pretty sure that is a bad idea). So hold the ones you don't want to upgrade
696 [05:47:49] <n4dir> !hold
697 [05:47:49] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
698 [05:48:05] <acidtripper> is there any patch for this systemd bug?
699 [05:48:09] <acidtripper> out there?
700 [05:48:19] <rant> which systemd bug?
701 [05:48:36] <rant> oh that dhcp6 thing?
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703 [05:48:49] <acidtripper> yes
704 [05:48:54] <acidtripper> as i see is not ready yet
705 [05:48:55] <rant> its a one line fix, already solved upstream.. and doesnt effect you more than likely
706 [05:48:59] <acidtripper> i was checking security
707 [05:49:14] <acidtripper> solved when?
708 [05:49:17] <agio> n4dir: not hold, again that explicitly marks the packages to be "held" (I think) there is another way to just remove any current pending actions
709 [05:49:19] <acidtripper> is nothing published
710 [05:49:36] <rant> it was fixed upstream two days ago
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712 [05:50:09] <acidtripper> rant, why i don't se anything on security page
713 [05:50:13] <acidtripper> or upgrade
714 [05:50:13] <agio> and in security.debian.org/debian-security strectch-updates?
715 [05:50:15] <acidtripper> from apt
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717 [05:51:14] <n4dir> agio: not sure if apt-cache clean; will help then. But with that solution (which one ever) you will never again be able to upgrade. So setting the packages you sure don't want to upgrade on hold seems like the "correct" solution.
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719 [05:51:36] <rant> acidtripper: are you even using systemd-networkd?
720 [05:51:43] <rant> its not enabled by default in debian
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722 [05:51:59] <agio> n4dir: apt-cache clean - do you know what that does?
723 [05:52:00] <n4dir> aptitude has quite some voodoo skill, also know as supercow power. The bad news: i don't know aptitude ...
724 [05:52:02] <rant> you're probably just being annoyingly concerned about something that doesnt even apply to you
725 [05:52:54] <rant> acidtripper: because IT WAS FIXED UPSTREAM that doesnt mean it was fixed in Debian,. because DEBIAN DOESN'T USE IT
726 [05:53:53] <n4dir> rant: as far i hear it can be enabled in debian, and people do it. Hence i would assume that it is or will be fixed in debian too ...
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729 [05:54:14] <acidtripper> systemd-networkd is in repos
730 [05:54:32] <acidtripper> or im wrong?
731 [05:55:14] <themill> sure, it is going to be a lower priority than other bugs for the volunteers who do security uploads, however.
732 [05:55:28] <agio> n4dir: also, I think you meant `apt-GET clean' right?
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734 [05:55:55] <n4dir> agio: bare with me. You are correct.
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736 [05:56:16] <agio> n4dir: you're still waking up right?
737 [05:56:32] <agio> :)
738 [05:56:41] <acidtripper> it should be fixed as soon as posible. can't have software with that kind of bugs in repo
739 [05:56:44] <acidtripper> my thoughts
740 [05:57:00] <n4dir> agio: :-) (and worse, i got no quick way to run the command right now). Anyway: look here, for example: replaced-url
741 [05:57:13] <themill> acidtripper: there are lots of security bugs to be fixed. They get triaged by severity and a significant part of that is whether they are actually used or not.
742 [05:57:21] <n4dir> sounds as if that is what you ask for, though i still am stubborn and say: you will rather want !hold
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744 [05:58:08] <acidtripper> themill, ok.. but as they said were a few lines, woulnd't be so trivial to rebuild it, test and release
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746 [05:58:43] <themill> acidtripper: that doesn't make it higher priority than other bugs or suddenly make time for people to do this
747 [05:58:56] <acidtripper> ok
748 [05:59:19] <acidtripper> themill, is there any way to access that bugs an it's priority?
749 [06:00:12] <themill> there would normally be notes at replaced-url
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751 [06:01:35] <acidtripper> thanks
752 [06:01:53] <acidtripper> maybe on 9.5
753 [06:02:08] <rant> its not a few lines its like a few chars.. on a single line.. first you need to BREATHE then you need to ask yourself 1) do I even use systemd-networkd and if the answer is yes, and you really care about a bug that is unlikely to even be a security risk in reality.. fetch the source, apply the diff from upstream, and rebuild the package
754 [06:02:26] <rant> if you really want help on how to do this, then just ask that, not get all worked up about why we havent fixed something nobody uses
755 [06:02:43] <n4dir> agio: assume apt-cache clean does what you want. As soon you run apt-cache update again, to check for security updates, that approach wouldn't work anymore. And i would say: one doesn't want to ingore security upgrades. Sorry, i can't put it any clearer.
756 [06:02:59] <acidtripper> sry 9.6
757 [06:03:39] <acidtripper> rant, ?? can't i ask a question?
758 [06:03:57] <acidtripper> it's part of the repo
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760 [06:04:17] <acidtripper> and as it's part of the repo must be fixed. who you are to decide if it's used or not by users?
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762 [06:04:35] <acidtripper> i can do it but i don't know where i cant talk
763 [06:04:44] <acidtripper> to ask and give the package
764 [06:05:23] <acidtripper> that was the main idea to build the package and help
765 [06:05:24] <rant> you are getting way too excited about a damn one line bug in something not used that was only DISCOVERED two days ago
766 [06:05:39] <rant> a bug that has no real possibility of being exploited
767 [06:06:12] <rant> it merely doesnt check the length of the data, allowing a malicious ipv6 dhcpd to write extra data to the heap
768 [06:06:43] <acidtripper> ahah not excited. it can be exploited with dhcp server, so it's possible to exploited. so if we are going to discuss a bug instead of fixing it we're going in a bad direction
769 [06:06:52] <n4dir> acidtripper: i assume you would write a bug-report and include the patch as a possible solution. Assuming there isn't already an existing bug report, then append the patch there.
770 [06:06:59] <acidtripper> bugs must be fixed, indepeent from your thoughts
771 [06:07:08] <rant> 1) you have to actually be using systemd-networkd, 2) you have to have a malicious ipv6 dhcpd, 3) something needs to actually act on the extra data.. or the worst that can happen is a buffer overflow that will result in the dhcp client / networkd crashing
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773 [06:07:33] <rant> yes and we fix bugs.. you're acting like its outrageous that this isnt fixed yet
774 [06:07:45] <acidtripper> isn't something critical to attack a dhcp client and take a server out of net?
775 [06:07:48] <rant> if you really care that much rebuild the damn package and forward it to the maintainer with the fix
776 [06:08:25] <acidtripper> ok, don't be in that defensive way.
777 [06:08:45] <acidtripper> same way systemd developer acts when they discover bugs..
778 [06:08:45] <rant> you're missing the big picure of how totally insignificant this bug is
779 [06:08:56] <acidtripper> insignificant or not
780 [06:09:00] <rant> and yes it should be fixed.. thats why it was fixed
781 [06:09:40] <rant> if you got issue with why debian hasnt imported a totally insignificant fix you either got problems you need to see a therapist about, or you should become a DM and help out
782 [06:09:47] <rant> cause thats what it comes down to.. time management
783 [06:09:59] <rant> there are far more important things to worry about than this
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785 [06:10:16] <acidtripper> therapist or just stop using systemd...
786 [06:10:23] <acidtripper> for example which important things?
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788 [06:11:05] <acidtripper> same thing happened with specter they took long time to fix it. when almost every distro had patched it. and same attitude... install unstable kernel was the answer
789 [06:11:33] <acidtripper> is not the idea. and of course if i can help in any way i'll do it
790 [06:12:19] <acidtripper> as i see is fixed, just have to be pushed
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800 [06:20:18] <rant> not important
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802 [06:20:58] <rant> lets say you're running a startup with a very lucrative webserver.. it uses this networkd.. I write a malicious dhcpd.. still not important
803 [06:21:04] <rant> because you're not getting your dhcp from me
804 [06:21:12] <rant> I gotta hack your router and dhcp server first
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807 [06:21:55] <rant> and even still after that monumental feat, the threat is still minimal especially if you just have stuff that is build into nearly every cpu and OS these days to prevent crap like this
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809 [06:22:53] <rant> even if buster releases in a few months with this bug.. you still have nobody to blame but yourself for being the only one who seems to care and doing nothing to help out
810 [06:23:30] <rant> but today.. mere hours after discovery of this insigificant bug. to be spending days going on about it when it would take minutes to fix.. is just ridiculous
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813 [06:25:37] <rant> if your stance is how to fix it for you, we can help with that.. its trivial.. if your issue is how debian does things, you;re in the wrong channel
814 [06:29:28] <n4dir> any talk including systemd never ends well ... (never starts well either). Eveyone seems so touchy.
815 [06:29:52] <n4dir> it was way worse a year ago though.
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820 [06:32:20] <rant> yeah.. well I hated systemd at first, now I'm ok with it.. its just I been hearing this crap about this irrelevant bug for over 24hrs now and its annoying
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822 [06:32:52] <rant> we're here to support debian issues, and this user doesnt seem to want a solution to anything just to get all worked up about something that is irrelevant
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825 [06:33:05] <n4dir> rant: yup, i read it, the actual thing here too, and i am already tired of it.
826 [06:33:49] <rant> it was a mere formality even issuing a CVE on this
827 [06:34:00] <rant> absolutely no-one is taking it seriously..
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832 [06:36:27] <n4dir> got you. I mainly wanted to say: i try hard to stay out of any discussions involving systemd. There is hardly ever a useful result (i mean: this goes back and forth for years now, pretty much always with the same content/arguments/etc).
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837 [06:38:01] <n4dir> same is valid for other subjects too, though, so if we get rid of that, we got the next problematic subject (apt-get verus aptitude, gnome versus kde, and what not).
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840 [06:42:47] <rant> I only chimed in cause I heard it enough already and its just bein disruptive.. making me look in here, and if anyone asked a valid support question I missed it because of all the nonsense about the dumbest CVE ever issued
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842 [06:45:41] <rant> if we actually shipped a distro that used that by default, and it were something with an above 1% chance of actually causing any sort of harm, it'd be different
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942 [08:39:27] <nezos> Two questions: 1) Anyone knows how much time I have to switch to nftables from iptables? I read the message and it seems that it should be done very soon 2) With iptables I was using iptables-save to make the rules permanent, is there such a tool for nftables?
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944 [08:42:47] <jelly> nezos: kernel does not break existing APIs quickly or lightly. You probably have like 5 years.
945 [08:43:09] <jelly> nezos: which message did you read?
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947 [08:43:10] <hexer22> 5 yrs ?
948 [08:43:19] <jelly> give or take
949 [08:43:27] <hexer22> Oh
950 [08:43:33] <nezos> jelly the message during the upgrade with apt
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952 [08:43:48] <jelly> upgrade from what to what?
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954 [08:44:03] <hexer22> Which distro do u use ? jelly ?
955 [08:44:04] <nezos> apt update
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957 [08:44:35] <nezos> it created legacy versions of iptables
958 [08:44:36] <jelly> apt update just reads repo contents.
959 [08:44:49] <nezos> apt update -> apt upgrade
960 [08:45:03] <jelly> nezos: on which debian release?
961 [08:45:07] <hexer22> say "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
962 [08:45:11] <nezos> unstable
963 [08:45:16] <jelly> ah
964 [08:45:20] <jelly> !debian-next
965 [08:45:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
966 [08:45:26] <radkos> if i want to send logs (filtered by program name) to external central rsyslog server do i need to define this into clients server or in central server 'programname, isequal, myprogram -?dynmyprogtemplate' is enough?
967 [08:45:35] <nezos> ok thanks jelyl
968 [08:45:35] <jelly> got me worried there for a second
969 [08:45:48] <hexer22> metoo
970 [08:45:54] <nezos> sorry had to be more specific
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972 [08:46:09] <hexer22> !debian-next ?
973 [08:46:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
974 [08:46:28] <hexer22> What is it ?
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976 [08:46:40] <jelly> it's just what it says.
977 [08:46:53] <hexer22> What does it say ?
978 [08:47:03] <hexer22> Info ?
979 [08:47:17] <jelly> hexer22: do you not see the response from "dpkg" bot?
980 [08:47:28] <hexer22> noooo
981 [08:47:35] <hexer22> Which bot ?
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984 [08:47:51] <nezos> dpkg (nickname) is a bot
985 [08:47:52] <dpkg> okay, nezos
986 [08:48:05] <hexer22> nezos: oh
987 [08:48:07] <jelly> dpkg, forget (nickname)
988 [08:48:08] <dpkg> i forgot (nickname), jelly
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990 [08:48:35] <hexer22> Something like chanserv ?
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992 [08:49:51] <jelly> hexer22: replaced-url
993 [08:50:24] <jelly> not going to be a lot of help if you don't even see its messages at all for some reason
994 [08:50:50] <hexer22> I am on a tor network
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996 [08:51:09] <hexer22> Maybe thats y i dont see the bot
997 [08:51:20] <hexer22> 'S messagea
998 [08:51:21] <jelly> unlikely, the bot is responding on the same channel you're writing to
999 [08:51:33] <hexer22> I get it
1000 [08:51:45] <hexer22> Maybe it need a working ip or node
1001 [08:51:54] <jelly> that's not how irc works
1002 [08:52:01] <hexer22> Idk man
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1004 [08:52:39] <hexer22> jelly: what distro r u using ?
1005 [08:52:50] <jelly> we're in #debian, what do you think?
1006 [08:53:07] <hexer22> I mean under debian
1007 [08:53:20] <hexer22> I mean debian based os
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1011 [08:54:11] <jelly> hexer22: well, Debian is Debian, derivatives based on Debian are not Debian any more for the purposes of this tech support channel
1012 [08:54:35] <jelly> I'm writing this from a Debian 9 workstation
1013 [08:54:41] <hexer22> Oh
1014 [08:54:47] <hexer22> Nice ?
1015 [08:55:02] <jelly> and I'm late for work...
1016 [08:55:07] <jelly> !offtopic
1017 [08:55:07] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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1019 [08:55:55] <jelly> > <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.
1020 [08:55:58] <hexer22> How much people can this irc take ?
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1079 [09:25:48] <Milkshake> any stats for how much people download debian today?
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1089 [09:28:45] <PaddyF> Milkshake: maybe you find the right numbers here: replaced-url
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1093 [09:32:07] <PaddyF> !grub-pc
1094 [09:32:07] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. replaced-url
1095 [09:32:10] <PaddyF> !grub2
1096 [09:32:10] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. replaced-url
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1105 [09:40:07] <jim> PaddyF, are you trying to put grub on your machine? if so... do you boot legacy or uefi?
1106 [09:41:37] <PaddyF> jim: this uefi/efi topic needs more reading, i dont fully understand it
1107 [09:41:59] <PaddyF> on the other machine i want to setup chainloading
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1109 [09:42:14] <PaddyF> it has no net
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1111 [09:42:48] <jim> can you give it net temporarily if necessary?
1112 [09:43:05] <PaddyF> in theory, yes. but it would break my security agenda :P
1113 [09:43:17] <jim> ok
1114 [09:44:19] <PaddyF> on the other side, when i give it up in 5 days or just now ....
1115 [09:44:32] <jim> is there another way for you to transfer files to it? (you might be able to use apt-zip)
1116 [09:45:17] <PaddyF> one moment please, i think about it while i go for a smoke
1117 [09:45:28] <jim> ok
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1127 [09:52:26] <PaddyF> okay, i put a net on that box. so i need to look at some data first
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1164 [10:19:37] <jim> PaddyF, ok, what is it exactly you want to do
1165 [10:19:39] <jim> ?
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1167 [10:20:38] <PaddyF> i cant explain, its too much. and its unsorted
1168 [10:21:05] <PaddyF> other things add to that, e.g. a new ubuntu install crashed after switching the workplace
1169 [10:22:00] <jim> ok, what's one thing you want to do?
1170 [10:22:03] <PaddyF> i hope you did not wait for me
1171 [10:22:41] <jim> (I thought the net might be handy if you needed to install packages)
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1173 [10:23:32] <PaddyF> yes
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1175 [10:24:01] <jim> also... if we're not talking about actual debian (ubuntu instead for example), we might have to move
1176 [10:24:22] <PaddyF> no, its okay. i mentioned it as example
1177 [10:24:37] <jim> ok
1178 [10:24:38] <PaddyF> unless its illegal to have other distros next to debian :P
1179 [10:25:23] <jim> no, what they get grumpy about, is when questions are asked about other dists
1180 [10:25:32] <jim> it's because...
1181 [10:25:45] <PaddyF> yep, i understand
1182 [10:25:55] <jim> while they might be derived from debian, they're otherwise different
1183 [10:26:24] <PaddyF> they better have their own channel or web forum
1184 [10:26:25] <jim> so answers which would normally be applied to debian might not work on other-dist
1185 [10:26:36] <jim> right
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1187 [10:27:28] <jim> if they did allow the other dists, they'd have to understand them all, and that's not very scalable
1188 [10:27:45] <PaddyF> yes :)
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1190 [10:28:20] <jim> so I guess one thing I saw is you want to get grub working?
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1192 [10:29:04] <jelly> that's a good technical, but there are also social reasons why we actively point users of derivatives to their respective support channels
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1265 [11:11:59] <radkos> any idea on how to escape ^M kinda characters in rsyslog
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1267 [11:12:11] <radkos> any rsyslog option to enable/disable?
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1308 [11:35:56] <jelly> radkos: they ought to be escaped by default?
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1312 [11:37:11] <jelly> radkos: logger $'dis just\none message'; grep dis /var/log/user.log | tail -n 1
1313 [11:37:28] <jelly> Oct 29 11:36:23 burek jelly: dis just#012one message
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1315 [11:38:24] <hexer22> jelly: whats this ?
1316 [11:39:27] <jelly> hexer22: this is a tech support channel for Debian distribution
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1320 [11:40:33] <hexer22> jelly: not this channel , the command that u typed aboue
1321 [11:40:39] <hexer22> Ve*
1322 [11:41:07] <jelly> hexer22: that was for radkos
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1325 [11:41:43] <hexer22> jelly : whats does that command do ?
1326 [11:41:59] <jelly> hexer22: man logger
1327 [11:42:17] <hexer22> jelly: man logger ?
1328 [11:42:36] <hexer22> jelly: explain plz
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1332 [11:42:56] <jelly> hexer22: yes, instead of asking me what "logger" does, you can look up its documentation on your own. man command opens manual pages
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1336 [11:43:33] <hexer22> jelly: thank you for your explanation
1337 [11:43:38] <hexer22> Lol
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1339 [11:44:09] <sh00p> I am using rsyslogd and logrotate, so naturally I have these /var/log/foo.log, foo.log.1.gz, foo.log.2.gz and so on.... If I unpack foo.log.1.gz using gunzip, I get a foo.log.1, but then logrotate stops working... It appears it cant rotate foo.log since there is already a foo.log.1
1340 [11:44:23] <sh00p> Does anybody know of a setting that will not inhibit the rotations?
1341 [11:44:39] <jelly> sh00p: why do you want to unpack old logs?
1342 [11:44:44] <jelly> uncompress*
1343 [11:44:50] <sh00p> jelly, to look at them
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1345 [11:45:02] <sh00p> I've realized now its better to copy them to somewhere else, and then unpack, and inspect
1346 [11:45:03] <jelly> sh00p: use zless, zgrep
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1348 [11:45:39] <jelly> or uncompress to stdout and pipe the output to desired tools
1349 [11:45:47] <sh00p> jelly, ok, I didn't know of these utilities... I can learn to use them, but is there no 'fool-proof' way?
1350 [11:45:47] <jelly> gzip -dc foo.gz | less
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1352 [11:46:45] <jelly> sh00p: there are many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, leaving unusual files around as root is one
1353 [11:46:49] <hexer22> what is the use of piping it to less ?
1354 [11:46:56] <hexer22> Jelly ?
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1356 [11:47:41] <hexer22> theraspberry : hi
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1358 [11:48:00] <jelly> hexer22: less shows text contents one page at a time. Apps like that are called "pagers". Less is a pager.
1359 [11:48:07] <theraspberry> hi
1360 [11:48:37] <BCMM> hexer22: less allows you to page through the output easily. if the output is very long, then not using less will mean the file just scrolls off the top of your terminal at lightning speed
1361 [11:48:39] <hexer22> jelly: ohk
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1365 [11:49:13] <hexer22> BCMM: thanks for the info
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1393 [12:08:06] <strk> I'm lost with the update-alternatives command, can you help ? I want gnome-replaced-url
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1395 [12:08:18] <strk> I'm tempted to do this manually but knowing there's a command tells me I should use it
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1397 [12:08:31] <strk> what I tried: update-alternatives --set gnome-replaced-url
1398 [12:08:34] <strk> which returned:
1399 [12:08:38] <strk> update-alternatives: error: alternative /opt/firefox/firefox for gnome-replaced-url
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1402 [12:08:57] <strk> then I seeked for "register" in update-alternative(1) manpage, but found nothing :(
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1515 [12:27:17] <bachler> have you checked /etc/alternatives?
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1518 [12:29:03] <strk> yes, for doing it manually I would have done it there
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1520 [12:29:23] <strk> anyway, now I did it manually and still have problems with desktop, maybe one of those things "update-alternatives" would do, additinoally to the symlink ?
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1526 [12:30:13] <strk> interesting, there's a README in /etc/alternatives
1527 [12:30:22] <strk> all it says is to "read the update-alternatives(8) man page"
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1529 [12:30:35] <strk> but: No manual entry for update-alternatives in section 8
1530 [12:30:41] <strk> it is in section 1 ... :/
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1543 [12:35:59] <bachler> hm, yeah that README seems wrong then. Altho, im on buster, and my /etc/alternatives/README refers to update-alternatives(1)
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1545 [12:36:56] <strk> this is Debian GNU/Linux 9.1 (stretch)
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1547 [12:37:22] <strk> anyway the manual symlinks did work in a sense (sensible-browser now correctly starts firefox)
1548 [12:37:45] <strk> BUT, Mate still thinks the preferred browser is Chromium, not even seening the presence of Firefox, which I installed from binary package downloaded from mozilla.org
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1550 [12:37:52] <strk> how to I teach that to Mate ?
1551 [12:38:10] <strk> do I need a .desktop file referenced by /home/share/applications/gnome-mimeapps.list ?
1552 [12:38:21] <strk> and, how do I trigger re-reading that file from desktop after editing it ?
1553 [12:38:34] <bachler> hmm, now that I think about it I probably have the same issue but for xfce4 and firefox/chrome but on arch
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1555 [12:39:20] <bachler> will need to look into this to solve that as well
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1557 [12:39:30] <strk> it looks like dropping a firefox.desktop file in the appropriate place did it
1558 [12:39:42] <strk> /home/share/applications/firefox.desktop
1559 [12:39:50] <bachler> interesting
1560 [12:39:53] <strk> I copied it from the firefox-esr package, just changed the path
1561 [12:40:04] <bachler> So it is working as you expect now then?
1562 [12:40:40] <strk> almost fully
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1564 [12:40:44] <strk> the important thing ye
1565 [12:40:52] <strk> I can click on terminal URLs and it will open firefox now
1566 [12:40:59] <strk> what's still not working is the icon
1567 [12:41:04] <strk> the .desktop file references icon by name
1568 [12:41:06] <strk> not full path
1569 [12:41:24] <strk> so now I've to figure out how to either add the /opt/firefox/<whatever> to the path searched for icons
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1571 [12:41:29] <strk> OR copy the icon to appropriate place
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1573 [12:42:08] <bachler> Globally: /usr/share/icons/ or in your home folder : ~/.local/share/icons
1574 [12:42:11] <bachler> perhaps
1575 [12:42:21] <strk> I have /opt/firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default/default{16,32,48,64,128}.png
1576 [12:42:29] <strk> a symlink would do you think ?
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1578 [12:42:41] <strk> (and I guess they must be called "firefox.png" in global dir ?)
1579 [12:43:02] <strk> the /usr/share/icons/ dir is full of subdirs
1580 [12:43:08] <PaddyF> somebody on a chat said that /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow are deprecated. but he ignored my question about the successor. could you tell me, please?
1581 [12:43:37] <bachler> yeah, I would try and figure out what it needs to be named (maybe path as well) and then symlink it into my local icons path.
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1585 [12:45:35] <bachler> PaddyF: What are you trying to achive?
1586 [12:46:01] <PaddyF> i dont want to publish my securing efforts
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1592 [12:47:35] <bachler> ok, I understand, anyway, I would point you in the direction of, iptables, probably, perhaps ufw
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1594 [12:48:11] <PaddyF> somebody said they can walk around iptables
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1596 [12:48:24] <bachler> I for one, would trust iptables more than hosts.allow.
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1598 [12:49:04] <PaddyF> thats why i planned to use mutliple techniques
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1600 [12:50:36] <bachler> ok, I dont think I have ever used hosts.allow and hosts.deny. When I want to restrict access I usually use iptables.
1601 [12:50:51] <PaddyF> yes
1602 [12:50:59] <bachler> If you have IPv6, dont forget ip6tables as well
1603 [12:51:09] <PaddyF> roger
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1613 [12:59:51] <strk> FYI: :/usr/share/icons/mate/48x48/apps# ln -s /opt/firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default/default48.png firefox.png; update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/*
1614 [12:59:54] <strk> worked
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1617 [13:00:05] <bachler> cool.
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1674 [13:39:43] <plouescat> Hey guys, can I ask here to troubleshoot a wifi issue? i get an answer from the kernel "IPv6 ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP) WLP2s0 link is not ready"
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1679 [13:43:11] <Brigo> plouescat, if you are using debian this is the channel where you should ask.
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1681 [13:43:52] <plouescat> I am and I do then :)
1682 [13:43:53] <Brigo> plouescat, that message is not an error.
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1684 [13:44:41] <Brigo> plouescat, it is just telling the wlp2s0 is not connected with the ap.
1685 [13:44:52] <plouescat> it's working fine with my router at home but as soon as I'm trying to connect to another wifi it's failing
1686 [13:44:58] <Brigo> how are you trying to connect?
1687 [13:45:59] <plouescat> the GNOME network manager
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1689 [13:46:53] <Brigo> plouescat, is there any more logs? you could check journalctl -b for logs from boot time.
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1691 [13:47:20] <Someguy123> I'm trying to debootstrap from ubuntu, but I'm having a problem: replaced-url
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1693 [13:47:35] <Someguy123> following this: replaced-url
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1696 [13:47:55] <Someguy123> debootstrap'd debian stretch (amd64) using the repo on that page
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1699 [13:48:11] <themill> why do you want dselect?
1700 [13:48:15] <jelly> Someguy123: which ubuntu, which version of debootstrap, why do you care about dselect?
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1703 [13:48:46] <Someguy123> ubuntu 18.04, debootstrap 1.0.95ubuntu0.1 (from apt)
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1705 [13:48:58] <Someguy123> jelly: I'm just following the guide on the wiki :P
1706 [13:49:36] <themill> about time to turn the brain on rather than blindly copy+pasting, then
1707 [13:49:37] <jelly> Someguy123: dselect there is just a placeholder for "use any package manager, like apt or aptitude or whatnot"
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1709 [13:49:41] <Someguy123> I'm just trying to install debian stretch onto the disk from ubuntu 18.04 live server (because that's the only thing I'm able to PXE boot onto this server)
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1711 [13:50:19] <jelly> themill: perhaps they are lucky and have no idea what dselect is, at all
1712 [13:50:22] <radkos> if my rsyslog tag is lets say apt[history] how in the output template i can place it as %PROGRAMNAME%/%syslogtag%.log where %syslogtag%== history
1713 [13:50:35] <radkos> i would like to extract the part which is in brackets
1714 [13:50:44] <Someguy123> jelly: huh, I assumed dselect was the script to set up apt and the repos
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1716 [13:50:59] <Someguy123> I haven't touched debian for a long time, but I need it for proxmox
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1718 [13:51:22] <Someguy123> and I'm limited to ubuntu for netbooting these servers, so gotta debootstrap
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1721 [13:52:57] <Someguy123> jelly: themill so I assume after debootstrap, really all I have to do is set up grub
1722 [13:53:02] <plouescat> @Brigo I might see something
1723 [13:53:05] <Someguy123> unsure if debootstsrap actually installs a kernel
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1726 [13:55:12] <plouescat> it's emitting a warning right before registering "bridge firewalling"
1727 [13:55:28] <n4dir> pretty sure it doesn't install a kernel. There might also be other things missing you need, check if they are installed after "chroot" Someguy123
1728 [13:56:07] <plouescat> bridge: filtering via ARP/ip/IPC6 is no longer available by default
1729 [13:56:16] <Someguy123> yeah boot is empty, so no kernel
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1731 [13:56:29] <Someguy123> and no fstab so I guess I need to set that up
1732 [13:56:29] <n4dir> probably the task "standard", for example (you probably will want that, i can't remember about debootstrap, but it really is very minimal9
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1734 [13:56:49] <Someguy123> it's been too long since I did anything like this, fond memories of my gentoo and slackware days
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1736 [13:57:20] <n4dir> Someguy123: i sure ran in more detailed how-to's bout installing via debootstrap. The wiki page is a bit dense.
1737 [13:57:25] <Someguy123> I've dealt with plain old ubuntu on my servers for so long, and OSX on the desktop, I've gotten rusty at building linux installs from recovery environments
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1739 [13:58:11] <plouescat> also avahi-deamon is failing to loaf (chroot.c open() failed no such file)
1740 [13:58:41] <n4dir> !debootstrap
1741 [13:58:41] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
1742 [13:58:57] <Someguy123> ah, thanks for the article
1743 [13:58:57] <n4dir> Someguy123: might be the last link has a bit more detailed info.
1744 [13:59:13] <Brigo> plouescat, i should see the entire log for understand what is happening. Can you paste it in paste.debian.net?
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1748 [14:01:58] <Someguy123> what networking system does debian stretch use?
1749 [14:02:12] <BCMM> Someguy123: ifupdown and/or networkmanager
1750 [14:02:15] <Someguy123> there's so many these days that I never know where the network config is on each system I deal with
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1752 [14:02:38] <Someguy123> so it does use the classic network/interfaces
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1754 [14:03:10] <BCMM> Someguy123: /etc/network/interfaces is there. by default, anything not explicitly listed there will be handled by networkmanager
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1756 [14:03:41] <Someguy123> does debian use enp2s0 or eth0?
1757 [14:03:43] <BCMM> (as opposed to previous setups where it might have been dhcp by default in interfaces
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1759 [14:04:03] <Someguy123> I mean DHCP would work in this case, we have a DHCP server which also hands out static IPs
1760 [14:04:28] <BCMM> there's absolutely nothing stopping you from removing networkmanager (or never installing it, if your doing something minimal like debootstrap) and doing stuff with /etc/network/interfaces same as ever
1761 [14:05:14] <Someguy123> logging into one of our native proxmox systems, it appears it might be eth0
1762 [14:05:21] <Someguy123> instead of the ubuntu enp2s0
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1764 [14:06:33] <BCMM> Someguy123: i have good old "unpredictable" network names on Sid
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1766 [14:06:54] <PaddyF> lets start a new distro that does not use network manager
1767 [14:07:18] <Someguy123> BCMM: hmmmmmmmm
1768 [14:07:23] <jelly> !proxmox
1769 [14:07:23] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
1770 [14:07:29] <BCMM> PaddyF: that's already debian.
1771 [14:07:49] <Someguy123> jelly: I'm aware, I'm only asking support for the base debian setup
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1773 [14:08:02] <Someguy123> once I have debian set up, I can deal with the proxmox part
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1775 [14:08:24] <n4dir> BCMM: pretty sure that you will not get networkmananger if you disable "desktop" during tasksel, usual installation.
1776 [14:08:25] <Someguy123> I'm stuck using ubuntu recovery so I have to install debian by hand, and then put proxmox on top of that
1777 [14:08:58] <BCMM> "You can install Proxmox VE either on your hardware from USB or CD-ROM using our ISO image, or alternatively on top of an existing Debian installation." ah ok, that actually is a thing then
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1779 [14:09:03] <PaddyF> !live
1780 [14:09:03] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
1781 [14:09:11] <Someguy123> BCMM: yes, yes it is
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1783 [14:09:32] <Someguy123> I'm forced to use ubuntu to install debian because we use MAAS for deployments and haven't gotten a licence yet
1784 [14:09:36] <radkos> any idea on how i can use $!metadata!filename into file location at rsyslog
1785 [14:09:36] <radkos> ?
1786 [14:09:43] <Someguy123> the catch of MAAS community edition, is that you are only able to install ubuntu
1787 [14:09:52] <BCMM> is this a debian-derived distro that just has an extra repo on top of stock debian, instead of feeling the need to reinvent everything?
1788 [14:09:56] <Someguy123> so dirty hack - boot ubuntu recovery and debootstrap :)
1789 [14:10:02] <BCMM> perhaps the world isn't completely insane yet
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1791 [14:10:20] <Someguy123> BCMM: proxmox is a virtualisation system, it uses debian base, but ubuntu kernel AFAIK
1792 [14:10:42] <Someguy123> so it's sort of a hybrid setup
1793 [14:10:49] <BCMM> Someguy123: debootstrap isn't particularly dirty really. it's quite a nice way of getting a minimal install to build on top of
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1795 [14:11:08] <BCMM> reminds me of the best parts of gentoo
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1797 [14:11:18] <Someguy123> BCMM: in this case it's dirty because I'm skipping around the fact MAAS expects me to pay for it to install non-ubuntu systems :)
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1799 [14:12:01] <Someguy123> we will be paying for it soon, but still trying to make sure it actually works for what we need
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1801 [14:12:40] <plouescat> hey sorry I got disconnected. I'm still trying to troubleshoot my Wi-Fi. i'm at the coffee shop so I can only connect with my android
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1803 [14:13:04] <Someguy123> and he's gone again :P
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1811 [14:16:56] <zhangj> KDE global shortcuts don't work，Does anyone know this reason?
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1813 [14:17:51] <zhangj> I can't use ALT+F2 ,Any global shortcuts
1814 [14:18:04] <zhangj> what should I do?
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1817 [14:19:29] <Someguy123> BCMM: what's the package name for the debian kernel?
1818 [14:19:45] <zhangj> How can I find the log of KDE's global shortcut invalidation?
1819 [14:19:51] <BCMM> Someguy123: linux-image-amd64 (for example)
1820 [14:19:54] <Someguy123> is there anything I need to install for mdadm software RAID + LVM to work?
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1824 [14:20:47] <Someguy123> BCMM: got it :)
1825 [14:21:05] <BCMM> Someguy123: you should be looking at something like replaced-url
1826 [14:21:21] <Someguy123> ah, that looks like a much better guide
1827 [14:21:22] <BCMM> Someguy123: the debootstrap wiki page is only good for setting up a chroot basically
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1832 [14:23:28] <Someguy123> BCMM: thanks for that link, the wiki should really link to this
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1835 [14:23:53] <BCMM> Someguy123: perhaps it should, but on the other hand, that *is* the first document you should be reading if you're installing debian
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1842 [14:26:15] <zhangj> Regarding the KDE global shortcuts are not responding, how should I view this log?
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1845 [14:28:57] <Someguy123> BCMM: knowing I had to use debootstrap, the first thing I googled was debian debootstrap
1846 [14:29:01] <Someguy123> and landed on that wiki page
1847 [14:29:26] <Someguy123> I had assumed that the debian install guide would only cover a normal live cd install
1848 [14:29:34] <Someguy123> since debian isn't gentoo or arch
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1855 [14:34:05] <n4dir> Someguy123: usually a live CD isn't used for installing debian, and i am pretty sure that a lot of people recommend highly against using the liveCD for installing.
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1860 [14:35:37] <BCMM> n4dir: what's wrong with using the installer included in Debian Live?
1861 [14:35:48] <papemco> i used a live cd and no problem
1862 [14:36:28] <n4dir> BCMM: it was known to not work well. I don't know any more details than that.
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1865 [14:38:12] <n4dir> some recommend so wildly against it, that i am astonished they didn't edit the factoid mentioned above. Perhaps others see it different.
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1867 [14:39:53] <papemco> n4dir, is this the case even for debian 9.5? or earlier versions?
1868 [14:40:55] <BCMM> i assume this position must be at least a bit controversial, from the fact that debian continues to ship "live install" images
1869 [14:41:00] <BCMM> and encourage their use on the website
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1871 [14:41:12] <n4dir> papemco: as far i know that is the usual recommendation, and it is still valid (for 9.5 too). It was only a sidenote. Sooner or later you will run in it here, and can ask for details then.
1872 [14:41:36] <papemco> bien
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1874 [14:42:07] <n4dir> papemco: and you sure are not the only one who has got good experience (well: from what i hear).
1875 [14:43:08] <papemco> n4dir, well, i dont know!! but i have never found any issue!! what issues are common with it? may be i dont pay attention to them?
1876 [14:43:55] <n4dir> papemco: really sorry, i don't remember more.
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1879 [14:44:19] <n4dir> greycat is sure among the people who had their say on the subject.
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1881 [14:45:01] <AquaL1te> sup debian community! thank you for being here :) now that ibm has taken over redhat i'll probably keep an eye on this channel and project activities. first impression of debian 9 is much better than in the past. then i couldn't remove gnome-games without removing gdm was well :) now i can (y)
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1888 [14:53:28] <RandomSerb> what do I need to do in my sublime_text.desktop so that it's recognized as a text editor?
1889 [14:54:02] <mad_moses> Hi, I would like to see if this package is installed on my debian system. Can I do this without a root access? libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
1890 [14:54:25] <n4dir> apt-cache policy <pkg-name> mad_moses
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1892 [14:54:54] <jelly> mad_moses: or dpkg -s packagename, or dpkg -l packagename, lots of ways
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1894 [14:55:02] <mad_moses> thx
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1898 [14:56:28] <RandomSerb> MimeType=text/plain; doesn't help
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1902 [14:59:34] <Fox> RandomSerb: maybe you'll find inspiration out there replaced-url
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1917 [15:06:47] <RandomSerb> Fox, /usr/share/applications/defaults.list doesn't exist on debian stretch
1918 [15:07:54] <greycat> ,file usr/share/applications/default*
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1920 [15:07:58] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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1924 [15:09:18] <RandomSerb> on the other hand, using MimeType editor (xfce4) works just fine
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1926 [15:10:01] <pragomer> I created a desktop-starter for a bash script, I am under stretch with cinnamon desktop. My .desktop-File is this one: replaced-url
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1928 [15:10:30] <pragomer> I can start the program from terminal, but there is no starter with the icon in cinnamons menu. any idead what I did wrong?
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1930 [15:11:36] <RandomSerb> actually it doesn't :/
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1932 [15:12:27] <RandomSerb> pragomer, make sure to use proper category
1933 [15:12:51] <RandomSerb> type should be application, if I'm not wrong
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1935 [15:13:46] <pragomer> it is application, or not?
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1944 [15:17:44] <AquaL1te> i would like to explore the possibility to do some package development for debian. at the moment i'm doing fedora stuff, there they have an amazing tool called 'mock': replaced-url
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1948 [15:19:20] <n4dir> pbuilder, i guess, but i think there are even more. AquaL1te
1949 [15:19:50] <pragomer> is it possible that desktop starters dont work for bash scsripts?
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1951 [15:20:31] <AquaL1te> n4dir: nice! i'll check it out! i also saw sbuild. and of course, i'll check the debian maintainers guide. but this is just quick and dirty exploration :)
1952 [15:20:35] <greycat> AquaL1te: there are a few Debian devs here who might answer, but there are more of them in the #debian-mentors and #packaging channels on the OFTC network.
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1955 [15:21:04] <AquaL1te> greycat: nice!
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1961 [15:26:36] <n4dir> AquaL1te: besides lots of info you will find in the debian wiki, this site also has quite some tips: replaced-url
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1968 [15:36:06] <Someguy123> replaced-url
1969 [15:36:11] <Someguy123> has anyone ran into this before? ^
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1973 [15:36:43] <Someguy123> at first I thought I had to make the partition bootable, but googling tells me that GPT partitions don't have boot partitions
1974 [15:36:51] <Someguy123> I have a 200mb EFI system partition on each disk
1975 [15:36:57] <Someguy123> and I have /dev/sda1 mounted to /boot/efi
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1978 [15:38:37] <Someguy123> hm, maybe I need grub-efi
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1981 [15:40:30] <Someguy123> yeah no, installing grub-efi didn't solve it replaced-url
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1983 [15:41:43] <Someguy123> judging by the physical volume errors, I think it might be getting upset about the fact that it's inside of a chroot, and I used MAKEDEV, so the LVM devices for / don't exist
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1986 [15:43:28] <Someguy123> ah, I see the problem, sda2 is missing from my mdadm device o_O
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2000 [15:51:23] <AquaL1te> which rss feeds are recommended for debian to keep in the loop? i already have dpn (debian project news), are there any others (besides security stuff)
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2003 [15:52:53] <annadane> not rss but do subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org
2004 [15:53:35] <annadane> yeah i guess you said besides security stuff. still good to know
2005 [15:53:37] <PaddyF> AquaL1te: feed readers like liferea have a few examples added. like the debian planet
2006 [15:54:09] <PaddyF> i think slashdot is in there, too
2007 [15:54:39] <AquaL1te> annadane: i prefer to use apt plugins to notify me of security stuff :) filters out all the stuff that i don't use anyway. PaddyF: i use the rss app from nextcloud, but i'll have a look at the suggestions in liferea
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2019 [16:00:40] <hiroshi> Hello folks. is anybody using xen + xen-tools in debian 9 ? I'm trying to create a pvhm vm but I don't know where is the option in xen-tools or xen wiki
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2024 [16:01:51] <hiroshi> xen-create-image --help = no info about pvhm , by default it will create a vm "type": "pv"
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2028 [16:03:54] <Penguin> Why would the actual contents of a package be different from the filelist on packages.debian.org?
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2030 [16:04:16] <greycat> The file lists on the web page are known to be incomplete. I don't know why.
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2032 [16:05:06] <Penguin> It's not that it's incomplete; it's just wrong.
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2035 [16:05:51] <Penguin> I installed the chromium-widevine package and it doesn't contain the plugin file. The filelist for the package on the website shows that the plugin file is included, but it's wrong.
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2038 [16:07:54] <annadane> why has firefox-esr suddenly started, when opening a new tab, not putting the text input thing in the address bar? in other words, to be able to immediately type in a url without clicking on it
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2041 [16:08:48] <annadane> it's also possible it was like that before and i just didn't realize it
2042 [16:08:56] <greycat> annadane: I just tried it now; I pressed Ctrl-t and then started typing in the URL bar, and it worked for me.
2043 [16:08:58] <Fox> Penguin: and what does "dpkg -L chromium-widevine" show ?
2044 [16:09:13] <greycat> annadane: perhaps you've changed some setting or installed some add-on
2045 [16:09:14] <opv> hi all, i have a question. a package installs a binary with permissions 0755. I want the binary to have permissions 0750, so I chmod it. But as soon as the package receives an update, the binary's permissions are back to 0755. How can I remedy this situation, so that I still get updates, but the permissions remain 0750? thanks
2046 [16:09:22] <Penguin> Fox: It shows the actual contents of the package I installed, which does not include the plugin file.
2047 [16:09:54] <annadane> i think an extension got updated
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2049 [16:11:13] <Penguin> Fox: It does not match the filelist that is on the package page on the web site.
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2051 [16:11:54] <opv> annadane: i missed the start, but is your problem keybindings in firefox by any chance?
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2070 [16:20:59] <saper> I am building a trivial package with one shell script, does anyone know the "debian/files" file is documented?
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2082 [16:24:23] <mason> saper: replaced-url
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2094 [16:27:00] <saper> mason: I don't see where the file list is defined there
2095 [16:27:15] <saper> dpkg-genchanges: warning: package lftp-dummy in control file but not in files list
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2100 [16:29:22] <saper> I just want to have a one file (shell script) installed in /usr/bin and a manpage, it can't be that hard :)
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2105 [16:31:44] <greycat> !nmg
2106 [16:31:44] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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2111 [16:34:33] <saper> no, sorry, they are not good. I have found Debian Policy Guidelines which is the first document which describes "DEBIAN" binary package description directory; I probably need to make it a binary package.
2112 [16:35:19] <mason> saper: My point was, if you're going to go to the effort to make a package, rather than finding some other means to install, it's worth going through the full ceremony and making a correct package.
2113 [16:35:33] <greycat> If you're trying to find low-level descriptions that allow you to hack together a pacakge and circumvent all of the stuff that makes a Debian package actually good, my first instinct is to point you to #ubuntu. :-P
2114 [16:35:37] <mason> Otherwise, Ansible will be happy to put your script into /usr/local/bin for you.
2115 [16:36:35] <greycat> And I agree that if all you want is a script and its man page to be usable on the server, simply copying them into /usr/local/ is the correct approach.
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2120 [16:39:31] <bipul> Could anyone helps me to understand how 95 percentile has been calculated here ? replaced-url
2121 [16:39:48] <greycat> ... how is that related to Debian?
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2123 [16:40:24] <bipul> I'm installing load balancer on debian, and i though somebody knows here who has worked on it.
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2138 [16:48:37] <saper> greycat, mason: what I needed is a pure binary package only with "DEBIAN" directory. I can safely ignore all the guides and just use plain "dpkg-deb --build <directory>" and it worked
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2142 [16:50:14] <jelly> saper: but... but that is EVIL!
2143 [16:50:22] <saper> I also needed the package because that script conflicts with some other, well-known package and should prevent its installation
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2146 [16:50:46] <greycat> ... what.
2147 [16:50:47] <saper> jelly: :) it is documented in the policy at leat :)
2148 [16:51:06] * jelly looks at his /home/jelly/bin/dpkgb and says nothing else
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2153 [16:52:44] <jelly> if [ -f "$package/DEBIAN/control~" ]; then echo "E: tilde file found at \"$paket/DEBIAN/control~\"!"; exit 3; fi
2154 [16:52:59] <jelly> s/paket/package/g
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2156 [16:53:39] <jelly> hat must be 1998 code or so
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2161 [16:54:19] <PaddyF> before the existence of the Bash FAQ?
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2163 [16:55:00] <greycat> 1998 would predate even heiner's original hosting of it, yes
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2165 [16:55:38] <greycat> Well, I'm assuming you mean mine, not Chet's.
2166 [16:55:52] <greycat> Chet's bash FAQ is ... a bit different.
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2169 [16:56:18] <PaddyF> i mean the one at wooledge
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2172 [16:56:21] <jelly> bash was maybe at 3.0 then, approaching usability slowly
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2178 [16:57:44] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Bash has been around a LONG time - longer than linux.
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2182 [16:58:40] <greycat> I still remember the fun when bash 2.0 came out with the new ksh-compatible (( )) command that broke scripts with nested subshells.
2183 [16:58:45] <geri> hi where is the binary of docker_1.5-1+b1_amd64.deb ... installed?
2184 [16:59:03] <jelly> geri: dpkg -L packagename will show you installed package contents
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2186 [16:59:19] <mrig> Hello
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2189 [17:00:05] <geri> jelly: i see: /usr/bin but dont find the binary...hm
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2195 [17:01:32] <mrig> I would like to reinstall my debian system and am currently have the system and /home folder on different encrypted logical drives. When I boot from a usb live installer, these drives are not recognised at the disk partition stage; How can I install on the existing drive and reuse the existing home folder?
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2197 [17:02:07] <mrig> Should I tell the installer that the space is lucs some how?
2198 [17:02:12] <mrig> luks
2199 [17:02:40] <saper> what is the best way to indicate that a package depends on Bourne shell? (works with dash and with bash)
2200 [17:02:58] <greycat> There is no need to indicate that at the package level.
2201 [17:03:34] <greycat> Just use a #!/bin/sh shebang in the script.
2202 [17:04:05] <jelly> saper: you don't need to declare Depends: on packages that are Essential: yes
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2204 [17:04:29] <greycat> "a functional sh" is assumed to be present, and you don't need to spell that out in the Depends
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2207 [17:05:46] <Penguin> So how do I get the widevine plugin for chromium since the chromium-widevine package is busted?
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2222 [17:09:10] <SzbcE8qNfG> hello, how is the debian KVM performance when running a windows 10 VM?
2223 [17:09:24] <SzbcE8qNfG> I want to run debian and then use Windows 10 VM for XBOX streaming
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2225 [17:09:40] <SzbcE8qNfG> specs on the machine are intel i5 kaby lake with 8gb ram
2226 [17:09:54] <SzbcE8qNfG> the win10 machine is only for xbox one streaming....maybe some light league of legends gaming
2227 [17:10:25] <Serajewe1KS> for that kind of stuff i'd say it depends on how well GPU forwarding works
2228 [17:10:30] <Serajewe1KS> you'd have to try it and see
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2231 [17:11:20] <SzbcE8qNfG> the KVM VM and the host debian OS can share the same intel IGP GPU right?
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2233 [17:11:48] <SerajewelKS> pretty sure yes, the VM gets a limited context
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2242 [17:16:44] <SerajewelKS> GPU forwarding is one of those things that can be flaky depending on so many factors, so the only answer you're likely to get is "try it and see"
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2255 [17:22:29] <linuxconformer> why is debian using python2 by default?
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2257 [17:22:47] <linuxconformer> it's causing massive problems when i try to use python3/pip3
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2263 [17:23:48] <linuxconformer> sorry, disconnected
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2266 [17:24:27] <linuxconformer> anyone know?
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2272 [17:26:25] <linuxconformer> like why doesn't pip use pip3?
2273 [17:26:31] <linuxconformer> if i'm not sure python 2
2274 [17:26:34] <linuxconformer> i don't get it
2275 [17:26:59] <greycat> pip is *implemented* in python 3 even if you use it to build a python 2 module
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2277 [17:27:37] <greycat> or... no wait, I might be thinking of venv
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2282 [17:30:16] <greycat> There are python3-pip and python-pip packages. The latter is for Python 2.
2283 [17:30:29] <linuxconformer> i installed the former
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2285 [17:32:09] <greycat> python3-pip provides a program named /usr/bin/pip3
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2289 [17:32:45] <SerajewelKS> doesn't it use the debian alternative system?
2290 [17:33:30] <SerajewelKS> hmm no, pip is not a symlink
2291 [17:33:33] <SerajewelKS> it's just a copy of pip2
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2294 [17:33:42] <greycat> python-pip provides a program named /usr/bin/pip2 and a program named /usr/bin/pip but I don't have it installed so I don't really know how it works...
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2297 [17:34:19] <linuxconformer> a bit ridiculous it's so difficult to use python on debian...
2298 [17:34:29] <SerajewelKS> it's almost like making a new major release of a language without providing a way to specify in-script which version of the language it uses, thereby forcing version suffixes on the interpreter binary is a really awful idea
2299 [17:34:43] <SerajewelKS> linuxconformer: blame python. they screwed up the transition.
2300 [17:35:09] <SerajewelKS> python 3 is not fully backwards-compatible
2301 [17:35:21] <linuxconformer> i'm happy to blame them
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2304 [17:37:09] <SerajewelKS> note that /usr/local/bin is preferred before other paths in $PATH so you can always "ln -s /usr/bin/pip3 /usr/local/bin/pip"
2305 [17:37:16] <SerajewelKS> but note this can break things that expect pip to be python 2
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2313 [17:38:49] <PaddyF> how could i find out why DASH is named "Debian Almquist shell" when my brain wants to transform it to "alchemist"
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2318 [17:39:31] <jelly> PaddyF: read the documentation, changelog?
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2327 [17:42:25] <marshmallow> why kernel version is 3.16.0-6-amd64 (old kernel version) but /etc/debian_version displays 9.5?
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2329 [17:42:48] <PaddyF> "originally written by Kenneth Almquist in the late 1980s. Initially a clone of the System V.4 variant of the Bourne shell"
2330 [17:42:55] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: what's wrong with version suffixes on the interpreter binary?
2331 [17:44:04] <BCMM> PaddyF: basically because it's the debian version of the almquist shell (ash)
2332 [17:44:14] <PaddyF> yup
2333 [17:44:20] <jelly> marshmallow: the admin may have intentionally booted the older kernel. Or never rebooted after a debian 8 -> debian 9 release upgrade
2334 [17:44:22] <BCMM> (the other common implementation on Linux would be busybox version)
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2336 [17:45:22] <marshmallow> jelly: I've just rebooted and it still shows me that kernel version, but I know distro has been upgraded to the latest version
2337 [17:45:27] <jelly> marshmallow: or they have something unusual in their boot process. Could be lots of different reasons.
2338 [17:45:36] <PaddyF> busybox is more. a cut down glibc and coreutils and a shell, right?
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2340 [17:45:50] <jelly> marshmallow: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" and "apt-cache policy"
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2343 [17:45:57] <SerajewelKS> BCMM: nothing if it's mandatory
2344 [17:46:00] <PaddyF> originally for embedded systems and phones
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2347 [17:46:09] <jelly> !paste
2348 [17:46:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2349 [17:46:24] <SerajewelKS> BCMM: having "python" "python2" and "python3" but having "python" be unclear on which version it is is confusing and unhelpful
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2351 [17:47:02] <jelly> SerajewelKS: isn't it agreed it's going to be python2 until 2020, then switch to python3?
2352 [17:47:07] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: so, people should have had the foresight to never have a "python" executable, in case breaking changes happen in the future?
2353 [17:47:14] <jelly> there was a prominent PEP about that
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2356 [17:47:36] <SerajewelKS> it would be better to get rid of it altogether than have it switch... especially if we're gonna do this again for python4
2357 [17:47:43] <marshmallow> jelly: replaced-url
2358 [17:47:51] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: nobody should use unversioned python hashbangs, but it needs to be supported for backwards-compatibility really
2359 [17:48:15] <PaddyF> on my stretch system /usr/bin/python is a symlink to version 2
2360 [17:48:19] <jelly> marshmallow: your release upgrade is not completed
2361 [17:48:33] <PaddyF> not sure why you have a binary
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2363 [17:48:45] <marshmallow> jelly: missing apt-get dist-upgrade?
2364 [17:48:59] <jelly> marshmallow: what does "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" say
2365 [17:49:10] <SerajewelKS> it's just strange to me that python is about the only VM/language where i've seen this problem
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2367 [17:49:18] <jelly> marshmallow: did you follow the release notes for debian 9?
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2369 [17:49:38] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
2370 [17:49:38] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2371 [17:49:43] <SerajewelKS> (probably also perl, but... it's perl, so i expect that to be a cluster)
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2373 [17:49:55] <jelly> marshmallow: ^
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2375 [17:50:11] <PaddyF> or gcc :)
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2377 [17:50:47] <BCMM> PaddyF: busybox is a minimal userland. i think it shares some developers with uclibc, but neither of them requires the other
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2379 [17:51:20] <BCMM> PaddyF: busybox provides, roughly, equivalents to the utilities you'd find in coreutils
2380 [17:51:24] <jelly> SerajewelKS: debian only ever has one perl5 at a time so that's not really something that can happen there
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2382 [17:51:41] <SerajewelKS> yeah i was thinking more of perl 6
2383 [17:51:41] <BCMM> PaddyF: plus a shell, and a few odds and ends like ps
2384 [17:51:45] <SerajewelKS> which is basically a different language
2385 [17:51:48] <PaddyF> BCMM: quite awesome for slimline systems
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2392 [17:52:53] <BCMM> PaddyF: yes. they're *much* smaller than gnu utils, and "good enough" most of the time
2393 [17:53:03] <PaddyF> :)
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2395 [17:53:37] <BCMM> (they're mostly posix-compliant, and do little beyond that - gnu likes to add features above and beyond what's needed for compatibility)
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2397 [17:54:37] <BCMM> busybox also has this weird multi-call binary thing, which is the usual way of building it. in that setup, things like /bin/sh and /bin/echo and so on are all symlinks to the single bb binary
2398 [17:54:40] <SerajewelKS> the thing that makes no sense to me is having "python" change. it should just forever be python 2, because we can't use "python2" in scripts in case somebody is running on old python that doesn't have that binary name. "python" and "python3" should be the only things to exist.
2399 [17:54:43] <BCMM> apparently this saves disk space
2400 [17:55:14] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: is there a plan to eventually remove python2 entirely?
2401 [17:55:17] <greycat> Saving "disk" space in a RAM file system is the main goal there.
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2403 [17:55:42] <SerajewelKS> BCMM: i would assume it will become unsupported eventually, at which point the "python" binary should just cease to exist.
2404 [17:55:50] <jelly> BCMM: yes, there is, upstream, and it's relatively sane and distros will probably keep up with it
2405 [17:55:50] <BCMM> it's a large, complex interpreter, and there could be security issues after eol
2406 [17:55:53] <SerajewelKS> otherwise, again, we have the same problem when python 4 comes out
2407 [17:56:16] <SerajewelKS> changing "python" to be version 3 will encourage people to use it when they shouldn't
2408 [17:56:16] <BCMM> jelly: yes, i know upstream has an EOL date. i was asking whether debian would be removing it
2409 [17:56:53] <jelly> BCMM: debian tends not to keep software with dead upstream
2410 [17:57:18] <jelly> that's one of the reasons for archive removal
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2413 [17:58:51] <jelly> there are some people making rumors about a "2.8" fork, they may have to rename it from "python" to something else and only time will tell how that turns out
2414 [17:58:56] <SerajewelKS> basically if the argument is "scripts should specify a version suffix" then we should let the "python" binary die with python 2 and force version suffixes
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2434 [18:06:18] <marshmallow> jelly: fixed, thanks.
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2449 [18:19:26] <linuxconformer> guys how do i install pip3 packages?
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2451 [18:19:41] <linuxconformer> i can't access any of them, get "command doesn't exist"
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2453 [18:20:48] <Linuxlars> python3 -m pip install
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2457 [18:21:29] <SerajewelKS> apt install python3-pip
2458 [18:21:50] <SerajewelKS> this package provides pip3
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2460 [18:21:56] <SerajewelKS> so then "pip3 install ..."
2461 [18:22:55] <linuxconformer> SerajewelKS: i tried that, it was a nightmare
2462 [18:23:07] <linuxconformer> Linuxlars: thanks, that worked
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2464 [18:23:22] <linuxconformer> so i have to run all python commands through python3 -m now?
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2466 [18:23:35] <linuxconformer> i hate python now
2467 [18:23:46] <SerajewelKS> linuxconformer: how was it a "nightmare"
2468 [18:23:56] <Linuxlars> that's what I use to do, to be sure
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2471 [18:23:59] <SerajewelKS> "pip3" and "python3 -m pip" should do basically the same thing
2472 [18:24:05] <SerajewelKS> if they don't then that warrants a bug report, i should think
2473 [18:24:19] <linuxconformer> it doesn't, pip3 install the package but then i get "command does not exist" whenever i try to run the packages
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2475 [18:24:31] <linuxconformer> and when i try to install pipenv, it breaks pip3
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2477 [18:25:37] <Linuxlars> Maybe it depend on versions. I use debian with python 3.5 and then i use python3 -m pip install, and it works
2478 [18:25:37] <SerajewelKS> linuxconformer: i just checked the source of the pip3 shortcut. they literally do exactly the same thing.
2479 [18:26:01] <SerajewelKS> from pip import main \n if __name__ == '__main__': sys.exit(main())
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2488 [18:29:30] <linuxconformer> SerajewelKS: it doesn't work, the packages install but i can't access them
2489 [18:29:41] <linuxconformer> and intsalling pipenv breaks the whole thing
2490 [18:29:47] <SerajewelKS> so it does work. but the place where it puts binaries isn't in $PATH
2491 [18:30:10] <SerajewelKS> linuxconformer: you should have exactly the same problems with "python3 -m pip"
2492 [18:30:14] <SerajewelKS> both execute exactly the same code
2493 [18:30:16] <linuxconformer> i don't
2494 [18:30:35] <SerajewelKS> then you have a python3 somewhere else that's not provided by debian
2495 [18:31:04] <SerajewelKS> what does "which python3" say
2496 [18:31:11] <linuxconformer> SerajewelKS wait are you saying i should be able to run "flask" after running "pip3 install flask"?
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2500 [18:31:33] <SerajewelKS> i'm saying that "pip3 install flask" and "python3 -m pip install flask" run exactly the same command
2501 [18:32:04] <SerajewelKS> *unless* you have an additional python3 command in your PATH somewhere other than /usr/bin/python3
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2504 [18:32:24] <SerajewelKS> because pip3 specifically calls /usr/bin/python3, while "python3 -m pip install flask" is going to run whatever python3 it finds in your PATH first
2505 [18:32:33] <SerajewelKS> which may not be debian-provided, if you installed python 3 from source some other time
2506 [18:32:44] <SerajewelKS> that's the only possible explanation i can think of for them doing different things
2507 [18:32:59] <SerajewelKS> which is why i want to know what "which python3" reports
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2509 [18:33:31] <linuxconformer> SerajewelKS: "/usr/bin/python3"
2510 [18:33:39] <SerajewelKS> okay. then both commands do the same thing.
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2512 [18:33:53] <linuxconformer> ok, but it does the same thing, but why can't i access the package commands, e.g. "$ flask"
2513 [18:33:58] <linuxconformer> *maybe it does
2514 [18:34:31] <SerajewelKS> did you run the install command as root?
2515 [18:35:16] <linuxconformer> SerajewelKS: for pip?
2516 [18:35:19] <linuxconformer> *pip3
2517 [18:35:21] <SerajewelKS> yes
2518 [18:35:30] <linuxconformer> yeah i think so, otherwise it didn't allow me to intsall it
2519 [18:35:45] <linuxconformer> i ran sudo apt install python3-pip
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2521 [18:36:00] <SerajewelKS> that's for installing pip3 itself
2522 [18:36:05] <SerajewelKS> did you run "pip3 install flask" as root
2523 [18:36:12] <SerajewelKS> because it *will run successfully* as your user
2524 [18:36:22] <SerajewelKS> but it will *not* have the permissions to install it for the whole system
2525 [18:36:30] <SerajewelKS> which includes creating the binary in your PATH
2526 [18:36:46] <SerajewelKS> sudo pip3 install flask
2527 [18:37:00] <letsfindout> SerajewelKS: not really a good idea to use pip for global installs
2528 [18:37:16] <linuxconformer> oh ok, so that's why
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2530 [18:37:21] <linuxconformer> thanks SerajewelKS
2531 [18:37:25] <SerajewelKS> letsfindout: depends
2532 [18:37:32] <linuxconformer> letsfindout: what if i want to use pipenv/poetry though?
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2534 [18:37:41] <linuxconformer> then it should be global, no?
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2539 [18:39:59] <SerajewelKS> if this is a single-purpose system (e.g. a VM just for doing flask stuff) then i would not really be shy about installing globally
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2542 [18:40:53] <SerajewelKS> the other option you have is to put your user-site binary directory in your user's PATH
2543 [18:41:05] <SerajewelKS> which is somewhere under $HOME/.local/lib/python...
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2556 [18:47:36] <letsfindout> linuxconformer: for pipenv, I would still do a user installation
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2560 [18:50:09] <letsfindout> linuxconformer: replaced-url
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2564 [18:51:40] <kiasan> hi all
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2654 [19:47:14] <LoRez> I'm attempting to get tinyproxy to run as a different user. The init script seems to dig around in the config to get the correct user/group combo and apply it to the PID dir, but something else is messing around with that and causing it to not be able to be considered configured by dpkg. Anybody have any pointers as to where I should look to fix this better?
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2696 [20:12:46] <PaddyF> usually, automount puts the pendrive in a user directory under /media. where do i put it when i need to mount manually?
2697 [20:13:22] <greycat> wherever you like
2698 [20:13:36] <petn-randall> PaddyF: Wherever you like, but most people put it to a subdir under /mnt/.
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2700 [20:13:52] <greycat> The "traditional" place for manual temporary mounts is /mnt but you can mkdir /foo or whatever you want as long as it's not in use.
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2703 [20:14:38] <inetz> PaddyF: Personally I use /mnt/tmp or /mnt/usb
2704 [20:14:54] <PaddyF> thanks :)
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2706 [20:15:30] <aloo_shu> hey, where do I find the web searchable pkg lists for wheezy? archive doesn't have them (yet), the links to main server don't seem to work
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2717 [20:18:30] <aloo_shu> link in question: replaced-url
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2719 [20:19:00] <greycat> wheezy *backports*? uh, good luck with that
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2721 [20:19:32] <greycat> even replaced-url
2722 [20:19:33] <jelly> aloo_shu: or just use apt
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2724 [20:19:53] <greycat> jelly: oh just wait until s/he admits that Debian isn't being used...
2725 [20:19:55] <jelly> instead of "web searchable"
2726 [20:20:08] <petn-randall> aloo_shu: replaced-url
2727 [20:20:09] <phogg> aloo_shu: might be on archive.debian.org
2728 [20:20:23] <aloo_shu> want a non-static new-ish ffmpeg for armhf, kernel of this android ties me to wheezy
2729 [20:20:48] <greycat> oh, that's better than I expected
2730 [20:21:03] <petn-randall> aloo_shu: How would that help you though? You still need the whole other userspace around it.
2731 [20:21:23] <jelly> debian/dists/wheezy-backports/ is still non-empty on my mirror
2732 [20:21:31] <petn-randall> !xy problem
2733 [20:21:32] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
2734 [20:22:08] <jelly> aloo_shu: which kernel is it then, some 2.6 horribly old thing?
2735 [20:22:49] <NetTerminalGene> IBM bought debian
2736 [20:22:57] <jelly> !slap NetTerminalGene
2737 [20:22:57] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across NetTerminalGene's face
2738 [20:22:58] <aloo_shu> petn-randall: that's why I want to check what's available through proper debian repos
2739 [20:23:05] <PaddyF> something is strange when i add the keys for the repositories for google's chrome and the spotify client - taken from the sources.list generator website
2740 [20:23:17] <petn-randall> aloo_shu: Again, how would that help you? What are you trying to achieve?
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2742 [20:23:24] <PaddyF> the google key gives me "no route to host" 1 of 3 sttempts
2743 [20:23:28] <jelly> PaddyF: those generator sites can be buggy
2744 [20:23:33] <PaddyF> and the spotify key has the wrong signature
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2746 [20:23:54] <greycat> PaddyF: I don't know spotify, but google-chrome-stable adds its own sources.list.d/ file when you install the .deb for it
2747 [20:24:06] <aloo_shu> jelly 3.2 afaik, maybe jessie would run with trickery, but chrooting into bash complains about old kernel
2748 [20:24:08] <petn-randall> PaddyF: Check it with the actual instruction on their website.
2749 [20:24:21] <PaddyF> okay, thanks!
2750 [20:24:26] <jelly> aloo_shu: complains and fails, or complains and works?
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2754 [20:24:37] <greycat> The file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list contains two comment lines, and "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
2755 [20:24:56] <aloo_shu> jelly complains & exits, iirc
2756 [20:24:57] <jelly> greycat: it also brings its own gpg keys
2757 [20:25:02] <PaddyF> greycat: yes
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2760 [20:26:20] <jelly> (they're heredoc'd in /var/lib/dpkg/info/google-chrome-stable.postinst)
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2763 [20:26:55] <PaddyF> i didnt install them yet
2764 [20:27:37] <aloo_shu> petn-randall: the aim is to concatenate images to movies/animated gifs, ffmpeg's image2 filter is behaving buggy, which is hopefully fixed in newer versions (folks at #ffmpeg could not reproduce my error, ffmpeg's at 4.x, wheezy straight is stuck at 1.x)
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2766 [20:28:43] <jelly> aloo_shu: and you don't want a static build because...?
2767 [20:29:05] <aloo_shu> petn-randall: imagemagick *might* do the trick, the difference though is that it's documentation is tons of options with little structuring and 0 examples
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2774 [20:31:54] <aloo_shu> jelly: if all else fails, static (at 4.0.8 currently) will be my choice, but I am for shared libraries for all the good reasons that do speak for them, namely space in my case. Android really exemplifies this: it's easy to have 12 apps on the device, which *all* do contain some ffmpeg each
2775 [20:32:23] <aloo_shu> that'd be 12x30MB wasted
2776 [20:33:02] <jelly> aloo_shu: and your system cannot spare 360MB?
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2778 [20:33:15] <aloo_shu> jelly no
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2780 [20:33:50] <jelly> what kind of a broken 4GiB flash machine do you have
2781 [20:34:01] <aloo_shu> 360MB, well used, can be an entire linux. graphic even
2782 [20:34:19] <jelly> I didn't ask for hypotheticals
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2784 [20:35:23] <jelly> a statically linked build is the simplest way around old userspace for a single binary
2785 [20:36:23] <jelly> and unless you have 12 debian chroots on that system, you'll be able to symlink or hardlink or PATH and use the same one
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2789 [20:40:21] <aloo_shu> jelly, don't try to judge my hardware. It does make sense to think about wastefulness before it is in the 10% of total range. And yes, static is the simplest way and what I will ultimately resort to, but I've not gone through the pain of building a proper debian that runs fine in a chroot, just in order to pack it with heavy static packages that could run under android native just as well. The way I'm running my debian is coming with an other limitation,
2790 [20:40:21] <aloo_shu> …4 fs in a file under vfat on sd. I think working with limitations is a very sane exercise.
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2799 [20:46:22] <aloo_shu> phogg: archive.debian.org just like that & without knowing your way around, has a rather uninformative landing page :)
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2801 [20:46:36] <phogg> aloo_shu: I didn't say it was going to be easy
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2826 [21:03:38] <aloo_shu> I've added wheezy-backports & wheezy-backports-sloppy to sources.list and will probe through apt now, all I had wanted was checking if it was worth the hassle with a quick web search
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2890 [21:39:41] <aloo_shu> ok, learned something, wheezy-backports found, added to sources, and --target parameter learned, no luck with newer ffmpeg, though (yet). But a different find: imagemagick has pretty decent documentation indeed - online. Would make a good info page to include in the debian package, or could fit as html in /usr/share/doc/imagemagick (as suggested in its man page)
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2893 [21:40:15] <greycat> there's a separate imagemagick-doc package
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2896 [21:40:58] <greycat> ... which it says is transitional to bring in imagemagick-6-doc because why would package names be sensible...
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2912 [21:51:19] <annadane> anyone have any idea why spacefm doesn't show thumbnails but thunar does
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2914 [21:55:05] <ruffni> hello there! i have created a file containing an encrypted partition (using cryptsetup+mkfs). i really like the idea of being able to mount/unmount the secret files in there, but i'm wondering why i can only decrypt it as root? is there an option to decrypt/mount that file as non-root user? what is the reason behind it?
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2917 [21:56:03] <mutante> ruffni: i guess the decrypting part doesn't actually need root.. just knowing the passphrase.. and that it's just about mounting as non-root .. and there are mount options to allow / do that
2918 [21:56:03] <SerajewelKS> ruffni: just make a script that can mount/unmount it, and give sudo permission on that script
2919 [21:56:26] <SerajewelKS> the decrypting part requires root because it creates a new device on the system
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2929 [21:59:54] <ruffni> not a fan of sudo (it's not installed and i'm not sure why i should... doing stuff as root needs the root pw).. cryptsetup complains: "Cannot initialize device-mapper, running as non-root user.", the mount part i figured out :)
2930 [22:00:25] <SerajewelKS> like i said, cryptsetup requires root because it creates a new device
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2932 [22:00:35] <SerajewelKS> you don't want random users creating a bunch of dm devices
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2935 [22:00:56] <SerajewelKS> sudo can be used to give specific users fine-grained access to run specific files as specific users
2936 [22:01:24] <SerajewelKS> if you are looking for a userland encrypted filesystem, you may want to look at ecryptfs or encfs
2937 [22:01:44] <ruffni> thanks! will look into it!
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2940 [22:02:24] <ruffni> so if i installed sudo, couldn't every user listed in sudoers file get UID 0 (i.e. sudo su)?
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2942 [22:03:34] <SerajewelKS> basically what you would want for your sudoers file is: "your_user ALL = (root) /path/to/script"
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2948 [22:05:02] <aloo_shu> got my image conversion goal finally. by and large, debian rocks. great tool to enjoy software freedom & squeeze the juice out of old hardware and/or otherwise limited (here: android) environments. thx for still maintaining oldoldstable, it doesn't need a high priority but it's great to have it. Consider how much useful & tweakable present day hardware is using the 2.6 kernel..
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2959 [22:09:32] <annadane> wheezy isn't even supported with LTS, no?
2960 [22:09:56] <annadane> pretty sure it's fully EOL
2961 [22:10:12] <mutante> no, ended May 31 2018
2962 [22:10:26] <annadane> so i'd reconsider "thanks for still maintaining"
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2964 [22:11:33] <annadane> anyone have any idea why spacefm doesn't show thumbnails but thunar does
2965 [22:11:49] <greycat> !elts
2966 [22:11:49] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
2967 [22:12:22] <greycat> Basically the plug has been pulled, and you're on your own at this point.
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2974 [22:18:23] <ruffni> hmmm.. after apt-get install encfs "Until these issues are resolved, encfs should not be considered a safe home for sensitive data in scenarios where such attacks are possible."
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3003 [22:35:23] <rant> hmm.. thats interesting.. so this elts is free for anyone to use?
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3010 [22:39:28] <squarecircle> Ohai. Does the current Debian supports the AMD FirePro V7900?
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3020 [22:44:46] <jhutchins_wk> ,v calibre
3021 [22:44:47] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; sid: 3.13.0+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.31.0+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.33.1+dfsg-1; sid: 3.33.1+dfsg-1
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3023 [22:46:41] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: heh - the version in Sid is older than that in backports?
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3027 [22:49:21] <jhutchins> RoyK: backports is 3.31, sid is 3.33
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3029 [22:49:55] <jhutchins> I just realized I haven't upgraded my desktop, only my server.
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3031 [22:50:23] <RoyK> jhutchins: sid: 3.13.0+dfsg-1 <-- from above - but then - sid is mentioned twice there
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3047 [23:05:38] <centrix> Hi. first hands on debian, when is the default iptables rules file? Deb 8.10.
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3054 [23:08:15] <RoyK> centrix: perhaps it's ufw? did you install this thing?
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3061 [23:10:12] <SerajewelKS> centrix: if you just did the install then there is nothing that manages iptables
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3065 [23:10:52] <RoyK> btw, debian 8, aka "jessie", is out of support
3066 [23:10:54] <centrix> RoyK, no. I did not. I was told to help out as squid3 is being bombarded from one IP filling logs...
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3069 [23:11:09] <SerajewelKS> RoyK: jessie is not out of support
3070 [23:11:14] <SerajewelKS> it's just not the latest release
3071 [23:11:19] <SerajewelKS> !jessie
3072 [23:11:19] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
3073 [23:11:21] <centrix> First came to my mind was to block that IP on firewall.
3074 [23:11:27] <SerajewelKS> oh wait what am i thinking of
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3076 [23:12:00] <centrix> But iptables is not running on that machine.
3077 [23:12:08] <centrix> Nor is it configured.
3078 [23:12:14] <RoyK> security support ends
3079 [23:12:16] <RoyK> 2018-05-17 but ask me about <jessie-lts>
3080 [23:12:27] <SerajewelKS> it's still in LTS though
3081 [23:12:48] <SerajewelKS> jessie is LTS until 2020 so it is supported on some architectures
3082 [23:13:14] <RoyK> cornholio: iptables is an interface to netfilter in the kernel - there'll be no running process for it
3083 [23:13:21] <RoyK> security support ends
3084 [23:13:26] <RoyK> oops
3085 [23:13:34] <RoyK> centrix: that last one was for you
3086 [23:13:48] <SerajewelKS> yeah. LTS is security support, just handled by the LTS team and not the debian security team.
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3089 [23:13:57] <RoyK> centrix: pastebin output of "iptable -vnL"
3090 [23:14:04] <RoyK> centrix: pastebin output of "iptables -vnL"
3091 [23:14:07] <SerajewelKS> technically supported, but upgrading to stretch soon is advised
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3104 [23:17:12] <centrix> RoyK, replaced-url
3105 [23:17:18] <centrix> It's simply empty.
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3109 [23:19:21] <centrix> When I try to start iptables (systemctl start iptables) the result is a failure: "Failed to start iptables.service: Unit iptables.service failed to load: No such file or directory."
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3111 [23:20:41] <centrix> I suppose the core of the failure is missing rule file.
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3118 [23:24:46] <somiaj> centrix: iptables isn't a service afiak, are you trying to use persistant iptable rules?
3119 [23:25:08] <somiaj> ,info iptables-persistent
3120 [23:25:09] <judd> Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: boot-time loader for netfilter rules, iptables plugin. Version: 1.0.4+nmu2; Size: 10.5k; Installed: 42k
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3122 [23:26:23] <shellhost> so, these messages are appearing in dmesg: replaced-url
3123 [23:26:26] <somiaj> looks like that is now linked with netfilter-persistent which is the name of the service file for persitant iptables rules, /lib/systemd/system/netfilter-persistent.service is the provided service.
3124 [23:27:01] <shellhost> this is the output of lscpi | grep 1c.5: 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #6 (rev f1)
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3126 [23:27:42] <somiaj> shellhost: could one of the devices in your pcie slot be going bad? Isn't properly seated?
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3128 [23:28:07] <RoyK> centrix: there is no service
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3130 [23:28:31] <RoyK> centrix: better install ufw if you haven't done this before
3131 [23:28:49] <RoyK> centrix: iptables is a wee bit complex - ufw makes that job easier
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3133 [23:29:24] <shellhost> somiaj: Could be, however this is a brand new notebook. I would need to be sure before opening and checking as it will void the warranty
3134 [23:29:27] <somiaj> or as mentioned use iptables-persistant, that includes a serivce and tools to save/export/reload rules.
3135 [23:30:05] <somiaj> shellhost: ahh this is a notebook. Under warnaty? Wonder if there is a way to test the hardware. What version of debian are you running?
3136 [23:30:27] <centrix> RoyK, I understand, but I know there is some "startup" rules file in CentOS that you can edit and reload. Is there something like it in Debian?
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3139 [23:30:50] <centrix> RoyK, Like /etc/sysconfig/iptables
3140 [23:31:35] <centrix> You let kernel read the tables by issuing "systemctl reload iptables"
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3142 [23:31:40] <RoyK> centrix: see above - iptables-persistent has it - ufw just makes it easier - up to you which one you choose
3143 [23:31:50] <centrix> OK
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3145 [23:32:07] <shellhost> somiaj: Debian Stable 9.5. The notebook is from Dell, so there's a Diagnostic tool embedded into the system, I ran it before and it didn't found any issues
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3147 [23:32:16] * RoyK prefers ufw for most things, but sticks to iptables for the more complex rules
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3151 [23:33:06] <somiaj> shellhost: try installing the newest kernel from stretch-backports. It could be the older kernel instretch is having trouble with your newer hardware.
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3154 [23:33:43] <somiaj> shellhost: is this one of those notebooks from dell that is built to run linux, or one built for windows?
3155 [23:34:16] <shellhost> somiaj: it's supposed to run both, since you can choose which system to use
3156 [23:35:06] <somiaj> Okay, just checking. I know only certain Dell's are certified to run Ubuntu. But that is from a newer kernel. I would first check out if the newer kernel from stretch-backports works.
3157 [23:35:10] <somiaj> ,kernels
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3159 [23:35:11] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
3160 [23:35:12] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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3162 [23:35:26] <somiaj> it could be the 4.18 kernel deals with that newer hardware better than the 4.9 default in stretch.
3163 [23:35:52] <shellhost> somiaj: in terms of updated kernel, I tried the many versions(4.15, 4.16, 4.17, 4.18) the issue still appeared.
3164 [23:36:39] <shellhost> only way that it disappeared was by using the pci=noacpi on grub, but that just disables advanced error reporting
3165 [23:36:47] <somiaj> I'm unsure, my first guess is hardware (or kernel icomadability) issue with the actual pci device in the slot that is timming out. Unsure if this is something that is under warnanty and you want Dell to check out. I don't know of any better way to check it out.
3166 [23:37:05] <somiaj> and it could be something that the self diagnostics doesn't detect.
3167 [23:37:34] <shellhost> well, if that's the case then I'm royally screwed
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3169 [23:37:52] <shellhost> I'm going to run the diagnostics again and try to contact Dell
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3197 [23:57:14] <centrix> RoyK, thanks for help. I need a sleep. I just temporarily blocked the IP with an iptable rule and will continue tomorrow.
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3203 [23:58:04] <shellhost> somiaj: all tests passed, pcie seems to be in good shape by Dell Diagnostic Standards
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3209 [23:59:22] <shellhost> somiaj: in your opinion, in a scale from 1 to 10, how severe is this issue?
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