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0 [00:00:13] <jh001> that's the "mount"
1 [00:00:30] <somiaj> my wild guess is due to the crypto on the partition, systemd (again my guess here) isn't able to fully figure out the partition, and decides to keep trying instead of just giving up. Though can't find any details on this.
2 [00:01:05] <nyov> vmunix... which unix are you running? %)
3 [00:01:35] <jh001> somiaj: right - I suspect systemd has no idea about it
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5 [00:02:01] <somiaj> that was my suggesiton, let systemd know about this parittion, and then don't have it auto mount.
6 [00:02:01] <jh001> nyov: 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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8 [00:02:25] <maxrazer> I've noticed I'm having problems with LIBPNG in multiple programs. Two open source programs Clementine and FodQuake.
9 [00:02:36] <jh001> somiaj: hm. I'll have a look at that, thanks.
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11 [00:02:38] <somiaj> jh001: I did find this, replaced-url
12 [00:03:01] <somiaj> jh001: It is a way to just have your system ignore the drive, though might have to then do extra work when you actually want to mount it.
13 [00:03:06] <somiaj> maxrazer: what problems are you seeing?
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15 [00:03:27] <nyov> (probably wrong icc profile warnings)
16 [00:03:46] <nyov> jh001, sorry, I was joking. but thanks
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18 [00:04:58] <jh001> somiaj: nice link, thanks.
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22 [00:06:19] <maxrazer> somiaj, In Clementine it says iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile warning and I have to have the program running twice in order to start.
23 [00:06:35] <maxrazer> somiaj, In FodQuake it says it can't load libpng so taking screenshots will be disabled.
24 [00:07:03] <maxrazer> somiaj, Is it because I have too new of a version of libpng? I'm using the unstable updates.
25 [00:07:37] <somiaj> thouse are kinda unrelated issues, but should both be looked into. First the incorrect sRGB profile is quite common (my logs are filled with that), so I wouldn't look to deeply at that warning. As to why you have to run Clementine twice to work, I'm not sure there.
26 [00:08:22] <somiaj> The Quake one sounds like you don't have a link set up, or quake is looking for the libpng .so in a different place than it is on your system, or even a different version. Where did you get these two programs that are having problems (I don't recongize them as being in the debian repo)
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36 [00:10:30] <maxrazer> somiaj, FodQuake is a binary I downloaded and it is not packaged.
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38 [00:10:39] <maxrazer> somiaj, Clementine is part of Debian repositories.
39 [00:10:46] <nvz> I have a Debian 9.5 stretch install with lxde using pulseaudio and I cant seem to get sound to output to hdmi/displayport can anyone help? replaced-url
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41 [00:11:12] <maxrazer> What is that minimalist video player for linux that can even run youtube videos from a link?
42 [00:11:35] <relaxed> maxrazer: mpv
43 [00:11:39] <somiaj> you have to be careful with downloading binaries, they may not look for the same version of the libaries as you have installed. You can look at FodQuake closer and see exactly what libpng version (or libaray name) it is looking for. YOu may find it is looking for an older (or maybe newer) version of libpng than you are using.
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46 [00:12:14] <somiaj> maxrazer: as for Clementine, is this on debian stable? You may want to check the BTS on this taking twice to start issue. I think it is something else (not libpng) causing the problem, and that libpng warning you are seeing isn't the reason it is not starting the first time.
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48 [00:12:36] <somiaj> maxrazer: yea mpv (a good fork of mplayer) is nice, you can also use mplayer
49 [00:12:48] <nvz> maxrazer: i you want mmore of a gui there is smplayer that wraps mplaayer and mpv
50 [00:12:50] <maxrazer> somiaj, Yes, thats it, mpv thank you.
51 [00:12:50] <nyov> nvz: do you have pavucontrol?
52 [00:13:23] <nvz> nyov: yes but its not showing the hdmi even after killing/restarting pulse,says its disconnected
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54 [00:13:52] <maxrazer> somiaj, Perhaps it is not. I haven't checked BTS. I'm using the unstable updates. I believe the PNG part can be fixed by patching the png files themselves.
55 [00:13:56] <nvz> nyov: obviously its not disconnected or I wouldn be seeing the screen right now :P
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57 [00:14:13] <nyov> nvz: looks good from what I can tell. you can't activate it in the pavu config tab?
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59 [00:15:01] <nvz> nyov: nope
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62 [00:17:39] <nyov> nvz: well in the log it says "Card #0
63 [00:17:43] <nyov> Active Profile: off"
64 [00:19:10] <nvz> replaced-url
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66 [00:19:25] <nyov> somehow your output profiles are not available from what PA says. no clue why, though
67 [00:19:43] <nvz> yeah me either
68 [00:20:01] <nvz> it seems to think its not plugged in
69 [00:20:10] <nyov> might be the cable, or the screen?
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71 [00:20:37] <nvz> I have a VGA and two Display Ports.. I have the tv attached to a display port with a DP->HDMI dongle
72 [00:20:59] <nvz> I can try a different cable.. but the display is working fine
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74 [00:21:55] <nyov> maybe the dongle can't handle audio-packets or dp-hdmi conversion?
75 [00:22:09] <nyov> dunno, really
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77 [00:22:25] <nvz> Ive used it on this machine before with a different install using mate and a different tv
78 [00:22:35] <nvz> and a different hdmi cable
79 [00:22:44] <nyov> k
80 [00:23:18] <nvz> i had used speakers for months before realizing I could use HDMI
81 [00:23:46] <nvz> but on this current setup its actin strangely..
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88 [00:27:10] <nyov> could it be something with the video card drivers?
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90 [00:27:29] <nvz> ah.. yes.. probably.. heh
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92 [00:28:05] <nvz> nyov: now that you mention it I recall this video card works OTB but certain features like dual head require firmware.. thanks
93 [00:28:18] <relaxed> nvz: Look at the output of "mpv --audio-device=help" I play audio on my TV using, mpv --audio-device 'alsa/hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0' ...
94 [00:28:38] <relaxed> but yours will probably be different
95 [00:30:09] <nvz> lemme try a restart now that I've installed the firmware.. that was probably the issue
96 [00:30:17] <nyov> good luck
97 [00:30:27] <nvz> I forgot this card had firmware
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100 [00:31:10] <oo_miguel> I want to visualize some points from a csv file, is there anything beside gnuplot?
101 [00:32:35] <nyov> "visualize"... I like the specifics of that. Try matplotlib?
102 [00:32:38] <oo_miguel> hmm .. on the other hand I am happy with gnuplot, just keep forgetting the syntax, since I do not use it often. Maybe there is some more inutiuive fronentd
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106 [00:33:38] <oo_miguel> nyov: oh never tried this one. it looks very nice , thank you.. will have to remember the syntax as well however ...
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108 [00:35:31] <nvz> yes the firware is the issue. so the ATI Radeon R2E in the AMD G-Series SoC works OTB for display but I now know dual-head AND hdmi audio output require firmware-amd-graphics
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110 [00:37:04] <aloo_shu> nvz did that fix it?
111 [00:37:35] <nvz> yes, the firmware made pulseaudio able to detect it as plugged in and use it for audio output
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114 [00:38:31] <aloo_shu> probably alsa is detecting it
115 [00:38:53] <nvz> I would've been bangin my head off this for days if nyov hadn't mentioned the driver thing.. I totally forgot about that.. I dont usually think of firmware for gfx
116 [00:39:40] <aloo_shu> and pulse is not reacting very intelligently if alsa isn't working as expected
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118 [00:41:50] <aloo_shu> in any case, if pulse isn't working, checking alsa is a sensible next step
119 [00:41:52] <nvz> well it was playing through the internal speaker on the thin client before
120 [00:42:20] <nvz> do you not understand english or something? :P
121 [00:42:37] <nyov> nvz: nice! \o/
122 [00:42:49] <nvz> I said the firmware fixed it.. then you asked me if it fixed it and I said it did again
123 [00:43:10] <nvz> and yet you're still goin on as if there is a problem :P
124 [00:43:41] <aloo_shu> I understood. Did you understand that my comment was generic, not specific?
125 [00:44:03] <nvz> no I did not
126 [00:44:16] <aloo_shu> np
127 [00:45:00] <nvz> I dont like this lxde much at all.. but I let my brother try out the DEs in virtualbox and he said this one looked fine.. *shrugs*
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132 [00:50:14] <nyov> yeah, I think the firmware stuff is part of why I'm still stuck with fglrx myself. I wonder how much longer I can keep the xserver upgrade on hold...
133 [00:50:17] <nvz> having issues enabling multiarch: replaced-url
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135 [00:51:07] <nvz> the ign is cause I ran it twice.. thinkin it mustve been a mistake it gave a 404
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137 [00:51:24] <nyov> see the E: line
138 [00:51:47] <nvz> yeah I saw it.. just doesnt make sense.. thats the official mirror
139 [00:51:57] <nvz> and a round robin at that
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141 [00:53:10] <nyov> I'd check the sources.list file, may be it configured this wrongly
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144 [00:54:04] <nvz> replaced-url
145 [00:54:23] <nyov> also, temporary CDN errors seem to pop up here and there
146 [00:55:03] <nvz> that was made by the Debian firmware amd64 installer image
147 [00:55:10] <nvz> I never touched it
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156 [00:58:07] <nyov> ah, my bad. I thought the enabled architectures would be changing in there. I don't know where those are stored
157 [00:58:22] <nyov> but I would just try one of the fixed mirrors, for reference
158 [00:58:51] <nyov> as in, ftp.<country-code>.debian.org
159 [00:58:53] * nvz shrugs.. I'll try kernel.org
160 [01:00:51] <nvz> we've been telling users to switch from those to deb.debian.org yet the damn thing isnt setup properly :P
161 [01:01:15] <nvz> mirrors.kernel.org ftw
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163 [01:01:23] <nyov> :)
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170 [01:06:10] <nyov> that means you're the 3rd person in as many days here having a problem rooted in the CDN mirrors
171 [01:07:40] <nyov> maybe dpkg really does need to learn failover?
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174 [01:07:53] <yakiza> annadane: sup man
175 [01:08:01] <yakiza> /join #csharp
176 [01:08:15] <nvz> @.@
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182 [01:14:30] <aeyxa> debians broken, call an ambalamps
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185 [01:15:48] <aeyxa> replaced-url
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190 [01:17:59] <nvz> aeyxa: try a different mirror..
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193 [01:20:13] <aeyxa> this is the base debian image, lol
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205 [01:22:51] <aeyxa> replaced-url
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216 [01:27:47] <nyov> hmm. number 4 in as many days
217 [01:29:00] <_anb> is there an issue for fastly debian mirror? I'm getting error when updating the index: E: The repository 'replaced-url
218 [01:29:10] <nyov> aeyxa, _anb: replaced-url
219 [01:29:23] <nyov> _anb: yes, it appears so
220 [01:30:14] <_anb> Thanks, nyov. My mirror is set to deb.debian.org, so one box is affected, the other one is redirected to aws.
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223 [01:32:15] <wintrmute> is anyone else having issues with apt-get update on stretch? W: The repository 'replaced-url
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225 [01:32:35] <nyov> Well. I will continue to use my trusted university's mirror. A single fail in the last decade. And a known-good routing to my server
226 [01:32:55] <nyov> wintrmute: yes
227 [01:33:11] <wintrmute> nyov: ok, thanks for verifying
228 [01:33:35] <nyov> fastly seems to have issues, again
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231 [01:34:20] <nyov> but it's free. so. *shrugs*
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234 [01:34:40] <ceptor> Just a quick question: the fastly mirrors seem to have some problems. Is this problem known?
235 [01:34:48] <nyov> ceptor: yes
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237 [01:35:02] <ceptor> okay, nevermind then. Is the reason known?
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239 [01:35:05] <paladox> Hi, replaced-url
240 [01:35:19] <nyov> ceptor: not that I'm aware of
241 [01:35:35] <nyov> paladox: yes, we know
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243 [01:35:40] <annadane> i've seen some discussion in #debian-mirrors on oftc, they're aware
244 [01:35:42] <paladox> ah ok
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246 [01:37:12] <nyov> ohmy. i shall /join #allthechans
247 [01:38:08] <balsaq> does gnome have built in screen shot function w/o installing anything extra?
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249 [01:38:48] <annadane> depends what you installed, i'm going on the assumption you used tasksel
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286 [01:54:50] <djdduty> Is there a problem with the package repository ATM?
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289 [01:55:13] <djdduty> running `docker run -it --rm debian:stretch-slim apt-get update` from multiple hosts in different areas is giving me failed to fetch errors
290 [01:55:17] <djdduty> And the pages are all 404
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292 [01:55:59] <djdduty> replaced-url
293 [01:56:17] <_anb> djdduty: yes, fastly mirror has an issue
294 [01:56:28] <_anb> you may change a mirror
295 [01:57:09] <djdduty> ah, thanks.
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299 [01:57:53] <djdduty> I don't really want to change the mirror, it's for a docker image being built by an automated system, so I'll just wait.
300 [01:58:19] <nyov> hm, can't they just change SRV records temporarily on deb.d.o?
301 [01:58:23] <annadane> ah dammit. i was just bit by this too lol. not sure which one to change to
302 [01:58:42] <nyov> replaced-url
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304 [01:59:13] <nyov> or use your friendly country mirror, if your machine doesn't travel ;)
305 [01:59:47] <djdduty> I'm sure quay's build servers are all readily fixed in the US... but I may be wrong.
306 [02:00:36] <nyov> djdduty, sorry?
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308 [02:00:57] <_anb> maybe the origin server is not strong enough to serve all the sad clients.
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311 [02:01:20] <djdduty> nyov It's an unrelated comment, I should probably just be using any US based mirror is what I meant.
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313 [02:01:28] <nyov> ok
314 [02:01:59] <_anb> If fastly could fail over to aws, amazon won't mind, I guess.
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316 [02:02:19] <nyov> deb.d.o should round-robin
317 [02:03:04] <_anb> DNS is not that smart.
318 [02:03:06] <nyov> but I guess once your dns resolver picked one, it will stay for a bit? or perhaps dpkg caches on that
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320 [02:03:25] <nyov> _anb: true, I guess.
321 [02:03:31] <_anb> It's also depends the recursive DNS server one is using
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323 [02:03:38] <annadane> what do people like for a graphical file manager with good key bindings - one that also can show thumbnails like pictures
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335 [02:08:50] <nyov> back when I used such things, it was thunar. because less dependencies than nautilus. but nowadays idk :(
336 [02:09:19] <annadane> see, thunar doesn't have good shortcuts
337 [02:09:27] <annadane> from what i've seen anyway
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340 [02:10:35] <annadane> i can't "just use mc" or whatever. i need to be able to actually see pictures
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344 [02:11:32] <RetardedRetard> i luv poopy
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352 [02:13:07] <nyov> annadane: spacefm looks different
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354 [02:13:14] <RetardedRetard> omg
355 [02:13:23] <RetardedRetard> i shit my pants
356 [02:13:28] <RetardedRetard> what the fuck
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358 [02:13:41] <annadane> !ops ^
359 [02:13:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: annadane complains about a problem (see above)
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362 [02:14:58] <RetardedRetard> i tried to let a turd but a monkey crawled out my ass
363 [02:15:16] <RetardedRetard> sorry, did i say a monkey? i meant a feral nigger
364 [02:15:19] <RetardedRetard> same thing really
365 [02:15:46] <RetardedRetard> !ops annadane is flooding my PM box saying she is gonna get me banned
366 [02:15:46] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: retardedretard complains about a problem (see above)
367 [02:16:12] <nyov> are they all so retarded in Piemonte?
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369 [02:16:52] <RetardedRetard> are you trying to track my location? all you did was determine what vpn i am on lol
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371 [02:17:44] <annadane> spacefm looks nice, thanks
372 [02:18:16] <nyov> I've only seen a screenshot of it ;)
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374 [02:18:43] <annadane> now if i can just switch between the navigation window thing and the files viewer
375 [02:18:52] <annadane> in doublecmd it's just tab
376 [02:19:01] <annadane> here you need at least 3/4
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381 [02:22:48] <RetardedRetard> cryptic1 is a nigger demon who bans people for being mentally ill
382 [02:22:50] <RetardedRetard> cryptic1 is a nigger demon who bans people for being mentally ill
383 [02:22:51] <RetardedRetard> cryptic1 is a nigger demon who bans people for being mentally ill
384 [02:23:08] <RetardedRetard> boycott #reddit-sysadmin
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402 [02:36:58] <seventwo> hey, i'm getting issues with debian/stretch dependencies resolving to 404s. seeing these sorts of things: E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
403 [02:37:01] <seventwo> any ideas?
404 [02:37:17] <nyov> seventwo: choose a different mirror for the time being
405 [02:38:21] <annadane> known issue, change mirror, yeah
406 [02:38:28] <seventwo> okay thank you!
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409 [02:39:19] <_anb> nyov: do you know is anyone contacting fastly? or it's a config issue made by the admin?
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411 [02:39:52] <annadane> "the outage seems to be caused by Fastly not sending the correct Host header, or apache2 not dispatching domains correctly" per one of the admins
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414 [02:40:27] <nyov> _anb: still digging it seems
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416 [02:41:23] <_anb> thanks
417 [02:41:43] <_anb> just realized, they use http instead of dns to do load balance
418 [02:42:16] <nyov> how do you mean?
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423 [02:44:58] <_anb> since "curl -I deb.debian.org/debian" returns 302
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426 [02:45:36] <_anb> it resolved!!!
427 [02:45:45] <annadane> yep. they just fixed a bunch of stuff
428 [02:45:55] <annadane> if you were affected, try your updates now i guess
429 [02:46:14] <_anb> anavel: do you know where is the discussion?
430 [02:46:49] <annadane> assume you meant to ping me. it's #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net
431 [02:47:03] <_anb> sorry, meant to at annadane
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434 [02:47:43] <_anb> thank you
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439 [02:50:19] <liamliamliam> hi
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444 [02:59:34] <liamliamliam> hello all
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448 [03:00:55] <fuxxy> Deluged overwrites the logfile on startup. Is there a way to rotate the deluged's logfile before startup?
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450 [03:03:40] <annadane> liamliamliam, hi
451 [03:03:45] <annadane> if you have a question, just ask. :)
452 [03:03:59] <liamliamliam> great, no question
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496 [03:41:53] <annadane> what are the other bad documentation packages besides the advanced bash scripting guide, or are they all decent?
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498 [03:42:17] <abrotman> bad documentation packages?
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500 [03:42:42] <annadane> debian has abs-guide and greycat has admonished it for being terrible
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502 [03:43:23] <abrotman> that's vague
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504 [03:43:47] <annadane> it is. sorry.
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506 [03:44:26] <abrotman> That's still vague, but okay
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508 [03:45:30] <annadane> just wanted to know if there were any other shoddy ones that people were aware of
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510 [03:45:52] <annadane> but there's always the upstream websites anyhow
511 [03:46:03] <PaddyF> annadane: i would say anything older than 1 year is behind the standards, no?
512 [03:46:18] <annadane> well... not for Stable
513 [03:46:27] <PaddyF> true
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516 [03:46:42] <abrotman> annadane: there are tons of crappy docs, and even packages without docs
517 [03:46:58] <PaddyF> but is language and documentation not excluded from update stops?
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519 [03:51:29] <abrotman> annadane: replaced-url
520 [03:52:04] <annadane> yeah
521 [03:52:43] <annadane> abs-guide *not* listed there ...
522 [03:53:29] <abrotman> Does it have bugs filed against it?
523 [03:54:05] <annadane> i'm not sure. i just know greycat's always said it teaches people to write bugs
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525 [03:54:27] <aloo_shu> tons of 'foo invokes foo, SYNTAX foo <arguments>, this man pagetelegram is a stub, thank you' - but I haven't used doc pkgs proper yet
526 [03:54:46] <aloo_shu> s/pagetelegram/page
527 [03:54:58] <aloo_shu> automplete sux
528 [03:57:09] <annadane> i'm sure things like perldoc are fine but it begs the question of who vets the quality of documentation in the packages
529 [03:57:20] <annadane> i'm definitely not smart enough yet
530 [03:58:02] <annadane> and by perldoc i mean perl-doc
531 [03:58:32] <abrotman> It's also possible ABS is 10 years old, have you checked upstream?
532 [03:58:48] <annadane> ,v abs-guide
533 [03:58:49] <judd> Package: abs-guide on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 6.5-1; jessie/non-free: 6.6-1; buster: 10-2; sid: 10-2; stretch: 10-2
534 [03:59:22] <annadane> 10 Mar 2014
535 [04:00:47] <annadane> i can ask greycat sometime i guess or #bash
536 [04:01:27] <abrotman> I'm sure ABS would accept patches
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566 [04:31:55] <nyov> how come judd does strange package sorting now? stretch after sid? and why not put the latest releases in front.
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568 [04:34:19] <annadane> it varies based on package i've noticed
569 [04:34:22] <annadane> and no i don't know why
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577 [04:44:22] <awal1> it accepts ñ no vocales with accents
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798 [08:25:09] <COOurb> I have RAID 1 with 2 HDD. There is one partition, and it contains Debian. How can I split this RAID in 2 regular disks and save OS?
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806 [08:31:26] <kts> I enjoy debian.
807 [08:33:20] <kts> Debian just works.
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819 [08:42:15] <inch> COOurb: If it is software raid, you can use mdadm to fail one of the disks and then remove it from the raid. Then partition the disk again. If you want to remove the raid from the other disk too, then copy everything elsewhere and re-partition.
820 [08:42:47] <COOurb> yes, it's software raid made when I've installed debian
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822 [08:43:41] <COOurb> is there 'master' disk in this type of RAID?
823 [08:44:02] <COOurb> Or it just don't care and will use first 'non-failed disk'
824 [08:44:03] <COOurb> ?
825 [08:44:18] <inch> It think so, yes.
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827 [08:44:54] <inch> But if /boot is not on the raid, make sure you don't remove that disk.
828 [08:45:02] <COOurb> so if I fail with this, how to restore that manually failed disk back to RAID?
829 [08:45:16] <COOurb> how to check?
830 [08:45:32] <inch> mdadm --detail /dev/md0
831 [08:45:35] <inch> (or some other number)
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834 [08:46:23] <COOurb> I don't see any "boot"
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836 [08:46:44] <inch> Sorry, wrong check :-) Try df -h
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838 [08:47:54] <inch> Commands to fail, remove and add disks:
839 [08:47:59] <inch> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdX
840 [08:48:04] <inch> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdX
841 [08:48:05] <COOurb> no 'boot'
842 [08:48:08] <inch> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdX
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844 [08:48:20] <inch> Boot partition is not required nowdays.
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847 [08:49:18] <inch> So I guess you can fail either of the disk. If you have sda and sdb there perhaps you should fail the sdb if grub is installed in sda.
848 [08:49:36] <COOurb> how to check where grub is?
849 [08:50:41] <inch> grub is on the disk that as bios_grub or esp-partition.
850 [08:50:48] <inch> has a
851 [08:51:39] <COOurb> how to check?
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856 [08:55:29] <COOurb> hm, seams that mdadm removed failed disk automatically
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866 [09:00:39] <RenePaulMages> Hello ; How to use the following package replaced-url
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877 [09:09:27] <mad_moses> Hi, can someone recomend an openvpn server tutorial?
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884 [09:13:33] <PaddyF> i am using stretch. works really well for me. then i started using virtual studio code and it seems like it grabs python 2 instead of version 3 so that certain things dont work
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886 [09:13:47] <PaddyF> how can i resolve this, please?
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888 [09:15:03] <PaddyF> oh dang. its just a click and the selector opens. that was really dumb of me
889 [09:15:20] <SpacePenguin> mad_moses: check this openvpn installer: replaced-url
890 [09:15:48] <mad_moses> SpacePenguin: thx
891 [09:15:54] <SpacePenguin> np :)
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897 [09:18:15] <PaddyF> ah, wait. SpacePenguin is that resource trustworthy?
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901 [09:19:10] <winerr> hello any help ?
902 [09:19:22] <SpacePenguin> PaddyF: it is, but you can always check the code
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904 [09:19:59] <winerr> i have a problem with ssl handshake in a qt browser in wine
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907 [09:21:07] <PaddyF> SpacePenguin: can you suggest a code checker?
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914 [09:23:20] <PaddyF> i think i need the help of ##linux-beginners
915 [09:23:24] <SpacePenguin> PaddyF: but do you trust the code checker? :P
916 [09:23:38] <PaddyF> yeah :)
917 [09:23:55] <mad_moses> SpacePenguin: OpenVPN server seems to run and the script created a .ovpn file for the client. How can I load this file on my ubuntu desktop? Is there another easy way?
918 [09:25:51] <mad_moses> SpacePenguin: got it. sry replaced-url
919 [09:25:58] <SpacePenguin> add a vpn connection in the network settings and chose a ovpn file as config and authentication method
920 [09:26:07] <SpacePenguin> yeah
921 [09:26:12] <PaddyF> wow
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928 [09:27:48] <tarzeau> what to run after editing /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf to take effect?
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931 [09:28:42] <n4dir> PaddyF: shellcheck.net
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933 [09:30:05] <n4dir> well: it checks the code, it won't check if the (hopefully correct) code does nasty things. Which is what you probably asked for.
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949 [09:51:19] <PaddyF> n4dir: yeah :) i need to sponsor a code review or something like that
950 [09:51:33] <PaddyF> just kidding, i make too much fuzz
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952 [09:52:41] <n4dir> not that much in the subject, and still to tired to search, but something like set -x, but "tell me what you would do, but don't do it" would be nice.
953 [09:53:05] <PaddyF> oh yes
954 [09:53:13] <n4dir> PaddyF: well, if you would do it the other way around, just run random scripts, people would complain too ... that is: i don't think you make too much fuzz.
955 [09:53:32] <PaddyF> thanks
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957 [09:57:31] <mad_moses> SpacePenguin: this was to easy. I spend the hole day yesterday to do the openvpn setup ..
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963 [10:03:09] <SpacePenguin> :)
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966 [10:05:44] <SpacePenguin> you always learn something new when trying to set things up manually, so there's a positive side
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994 [10:32:46] <COOurb> what group I should be in to mount disks
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996 [10:33:02] <COOurb> also, splitting of RAID was fine
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1004 [10:38:54] <jim> COOurb, what dist is it?
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1007 [10:39:21] <COOurb> HDD disk with 2 partitions . fs is NTFS
1008 [10:39:29] <COOurb> moved from Windows machine
1009 [10:40:19] <jim> ok, so you must be running debian...
1010 [10:40:24] <COOurb> sure
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1012 [10:40:36] <COOurb> that's why I'm here
1013 [10:40:44] <COOurb> stretch
1014 [10:41:01] <jim> what is the node called? /dev/whatgoeshere?
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1016 [10:41:34] <COOurb> dev sda
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1018 [10:42:05] <jim> ok, ls -l /dev/sda
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1020 [10:42:42] <jim> usually, mounting is root only
1021 [10:42:47] <COOurb> hm
1022 [10:42:55] <COOurb> ok
1023 [10:43:41] <jim> could you show that line (output from ls -l /de//sda)?
1024 [10:43:46] <COOurb> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 окт 23 20:35 /dev/sda
1025 [10:44:10] <jim> as you can see the group is disk
1026 [10:44:17] <COOurb> ok
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1029 [10:44:40] <jim> is there only one filesystem on sda?
1030 [10:45:06] <COOurb> yeah, two partitions
1031 [10:45:24] <jim> oh, ok...
1032 [10:45:34] <jim> then, could you:
1033 [10:45:41] <jim> cd /dev
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1035 [10:45:54] <jim> ls sda*
1036 [10:46:34] <COOurb> sda1 sda2
1037 [10:47:01] <COOurb> forget it, I will erase all data from it anyway
1038 [10:47:18] <COOurb> now I need to create 1 partition with encrypted file system
1039 [10:47:20] <jim> well just one sec before you do that
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1042 [10:48:10] <jim> first, what does this say when you run it: echo "== $(which nc) =="
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1048 [10:51:51] <COOurb> bin nc
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1051 [10:53:10] <jim> ok, so nc is installed...
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1053 [10:54:20] <jim> could you run: fdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999 # which will pastebin the fdisk listing
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1055 [10:54:41] <COOurb> dude, I said forget it
1056 [10:56:25] <jim> what you're thinking of doing (or maybe what you already did) is not reversable... hope you have backups in case you need em
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1059 [10:57:57] <COOurb> yeah, I did backups
1060 [10:58:50] <jim> ok, that's a good thing, at least you don't have to worry... because you -can- restore from your backups
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1063 [11:00:06] <COOurb> The reason why I moved this disk to linux machine is that I will make a file storage from it
1064 [11:00:11] <COOurb> media stuff
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1066 [11:00:38] <COOurb> to listen my music/watch video everywhere.
1067 [11:00:43] <Pascal_1> Hello, i'm trying to upgrade my debian unstable with this command : aptitude update && aptitude full upgrade.
1068 [11:00:46] <Pascal_1> I can see there is some buggy packages :
1069 [11:00:49] <Pascal_1> libprotobuf17(1 bogue), libsane1(1 bogue), libgdbm6:i386(1 bogue), libsane1:i386(1 bogue), libtracker-sparql-2.0-0(1 bogue)
1070 [11:00:52] <Pascal_1> then i try to hold thes packages : aptitude hold libprotobuf17 libsane1 libgdbm6:i386 libsane1:i386 libtracker-sparql-2.0-0
1071 [11:00:55] <Pascal_1> but when i make aptitude search ~ahold or apt-mark showhold, only libgdbm6 and libtracker-sparql-2.0-0 are holded.
1072 [11:00:58] <Pascal_1> Is there a way to hold all the buggy packages to upgrade ?
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1084 [11:05:42] <n4dir> the channel bot has a factoid: /msg dpkg hold
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1089 [11:06:18] <n4dir> it is a bit different, and the only way i ever did (so no clue about aptitude and apt-mark, but seems they should work too)
1090 [11:06:45] <n4dir> you might want to give it a try, Pascal_1
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1109 [11:12:46] <Pascal_1> n4dir: thanks i will try
1110 [11:13:20] <Pascal_1> then after dpkg hold i could make aptitude update && aptitude full upgrade ?
1111 [11:13:32] <n4dir> i recall something like aptitude not respecting such, but too vague (hardly know aptitude)
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1114 [11:14:07] <n4dir> Pascal_1: would guess so, but aptitude probably has a -s option, like apt-get (-s like --simultate)
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1117 [11:14:45] <n4dir> back in the days people recommended against mixing apt-get and aptitude, but i think not anymore. So if aptitude doesn't respect, you might think about using apt-get for that.
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1119 [11:14:58] <n4dir> but don't take my word for it, i am just throwing ideas.
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1169 [11:51:45] <kts> There's no debug package for mpv in stable.
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1173 [11:53:17] <at0m> ,v mpv-dbg
1174 [11:53:19] <judd> Package: mpv-dbg on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2
1175 [11:53:48] <themill> ,v mpv-dbgsym
1176 [11:53:49] <judd> Package: mpv-dbgsym on amd64 -- stretch-debug: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; buster-debug: 0.29.1-1; sid-debug: 0.29.1-1
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1179 [11:54:32] <kts> So it's there. Which repo did I have to add.
1180 [11:54:46] <themill> !stretch-debug
1181 [11:54:47] <dpkg> The "stretch-debug" archive contains the automatically generated packages with debugging symbols for packages for binary packages in the stretch release. Ask me about <dbgsym>.
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1185 [11:56:49] <kts> deb replaced-url
1186 [11:56:53] <kts> like that?
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1191 [11:58:09] <petn-randall> !dbgsym
1192 [11:58:10] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
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1194 [11:58:40] <themill> or replaced-url
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1203 [12:02:05] <kts> awesome thanks!
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1216 [12:08:06] <shtrb> Does debian blacklist or disable the "unsecure wifi" in FF ? (what enable replaced-url
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1220 [12:11:14] <dustfinger> On debian systems are the usb character device node group ownership plugdev or usb? Or something else? I don't have a debian system here at the moment to check. On my gentoo box they usb character device nodes all have usb group ownership.
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1238 [12:22:50] <dustfinger> find /dev/bus -type c -ls should show you the group ownership of each character device. If someone doesn't mind running that when convenient and letting me know what the group ownership is I would appreciate their time.
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1242 [12:24:38] <jolt> dustfinger: root/root
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1248 [12:28:28] <dustfinger> jolt: thanks. I thought that might be the case. On Gentoo the ownership is root:usb.
1249 [12:28:53] <ukine> systemd is a file
1250 [12:29:09] <ukine> well it was or something, idk
1251 [12:29:24] <dustfinger> Debian uses plugdev for providing user level access to usb devices correct? How does it work then if the usb character device nodes are not owned by the plugdev group?
1252 [12:29:33] <n4dir> dustfinger: there should be "debootstrap" installable on gentoo though. just saying.
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1255 [12:30:03] <n4dir> well: won't help with that.
1256 [12:30:39] <dustfinger> n4dir: LOL! I had to look that package up. Funny!
1257 [12:31:19] <n4dir> also pmount is a handy tool.
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1259 [12:31:57] <dustfinger> Is there a reason why debian does not give the plugdev group ownership of the usb character device nodes?
1260 [12:33:36] <dustfinger> I am confused how it works. How does a non root user access a usb device if the ownership of the character device node is root:root. Let's say for simplicity that the device is a storage device. How does the user write to the storage device without root privledges?
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1264 [12:34:35] <dustfinger> Or would the user need to change the ownership of the character device node to a group that they are a member of. Like plugdev or usb.
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1272 [12:41:40] <ukine> _systemd_is_evil, ?
1273 [12:41:49] <negev> hi, i'm struggling to exclude a directory with tar. the manpage says it's a POSIX regex format so this: --exclude='^\/data\/.*' should work but i must be missing something
1274 [12:42:04] <ukine> stretch it out a little
1275 [12:42:20] <ukine> slink
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1288 [12:49:11] <ukine> yo pepe
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1290 [12:49:51] <petn-randall> ukine: Do you have a Debian support question?
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1295 [12:51:55] <ghormoon> hi is it somehow from ssh commandline (~C) possible to find out when last packet/keepalive/whatever was received?
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1300 [12:57:14] <ukine> well openibis is working
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1303 [12:59:29] <kts> Does bugfix occur in stable?
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1305 [12:59:41] <kts> I found a bug in mpv.
1306 [12:59:44] <ukine> sure does
1307 [13:00:01] <ukine> kts want a short tut?
1308 [13:00:12] <kts> What's tut?
1309 [13:00:17] <ukine> tutorial
1310 [13:00:30] <kts> Of cause.
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1312 [13:01:03] <ukine> first thing i do on a Debian install as root as soon as i can is login as root, apt-get install unattended-upgrades, reboot
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1315 [13:02:02] <coruja> (which is not recommended for average users at all)
1316 [13:03:00] <ukine> if you're on stable, it should stay stable, unless you're computer's a potato or hotdog :)
1317 [13:03:29] <ukine> last time i remember linux being this great was squeeze
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1319 [13:05:11] <kts> dpkg: warning: while removing unattended-upgrades, directory '/var/log/unattended-upgrades' not empty so not removed
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1322 [13:06:28] <kts> I foolishly install unattended-upgrades and remove it immediately.
1323 [13:08:40] <ukine> well if this works it might..hhold on to your butts.
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1330 [13:10:27] <kts> How do I cleanly uninstall the said package?
1331 [13:10:52] <shtrb> how did you remove ?
1332 [13:10:56] <shtrb> apt-get or something else ?
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1334 [13:11:02] <shtrb> you can do dpkg --purge
1335 [13:11:18] <kts> apt purge unattented-upgrades
1336 [13:11:23] <ukine> lel
1337 [13:11:25] <kts> dpkg: warning: while removing unattended-upgrades, directory '/var/log/unattended-upgrades' not empty so not removed
1338 [13:11:25] <dpkg> kts: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1339 [13:11:29] <shtrb> that should be as clean as it gets
1340 [13:11:39] <ukine> everything's gonna get stretchy as heck
1341 [13:11:47] <shtrb> kts, it could be bceause of discover
1342 [13:11:57] <shtrb> I actually removed discover partly because of that
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1344 [13:12:23] <kts> I might as well clean install again.
1345 [13:12:25] <ukine> *******
1346 [13:13:15] <shtrb> kts, it could be also only logs + gz there
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1355 [13:18:53] <ukine> lockheed's workin here
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1371 [13:26:27] <ukine> DrWatson, please understand.
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1390 [13:43:47] <ukine> lenny potters! sorry. steamblowing. i'm done.
1391 [13:44:07] <ukine> for now.
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1406 [13:53:37] <petn-randall> ukine: This is a Debian support channel. Please keep off-topic banter to other channels where it's more appropriate.
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1443 [14:17:53] <ocx32> quick question, when i mount my nfs share, it mounts ok, but when i try to touch or read a file or anything on that fs it takes like 2 minutes and hangs on the command then after the 2 min everythign becomes very fast... client and server are on VMs same machine.. any idea?
1444 [14:18:23] <petn-randall> ocx32: Did you check the kernel logs and nfs server logs on both sides?
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1446 [14:18:49] <ocx32> [10785.838040] FS-Cache: Netfs 'nfs' registered for caching
1447 [14:19:08] <ocx32> [11963.245264] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
1448 [14:19:08] <ocx32> [11963.245284] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period (net ffffffffb4bedd80)
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1464 [14:34:01] <Gordio> HOW!? Preparing to unpack python3-all_3.6.6-1_armhf.deb ...
1465 [14:34:02] <Gordio> python3-all depends on python3.7; however:
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1471 [14:37:53] <petn-randall> !bat
1472 [14:37:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1473 [14:38:08] <petn-randall> Gordio: Can you provide all of the info above in a single paste? Then we can help you. ^^^
1474 [14:38:18] <rany> Gordio: python3-all is meant to install all python3 versions
1475 [14:38:32] <rany> this is what it is intended for
1476 [14:38:51] <Gordio> rany: but it required by python-apt etc... How I can use only python3.6?
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1478 [14:39:36] <petn-randall> Gordio: Hard to say. What release are you running?
1479 [14:39:40] <Gordio> petn-randall: thx. It's long story :D In basics - I build python3.6 for stretch
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1482 [14:39:50] <Gordio> *try to build
1483 [14:39:58] <themill> good luck with that
1484 [14:40:27] <Gordio> themill: Thx >XD
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1493 [14:46:29] <DeeJayTwo> Hi, i'm stuck with a bunch of libocct packages that won't upgradre nor uninstall..
1494 [14:46:51] <DeeJayTwo> any idea?
1495 [14:47:41] <DeeJayTwo> Whenever I try to upgrade (apt upgrade) I see the upgrade kind of happening and it finishes with no error but the upgrade doesn't really happen.
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1503 [14:51:53] <rany> DeeJayTwo: did you try installing library to upgrade it
1504 [14:52:00] <rany> forexample apt install libocct-data-exchange-7.3
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1520 [14:58:27] <project2501a> guys, theoretically speaking: if i have two dell screens with a built-in soundbar each, couldn't i use each screen as a left-right speaker?
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1525 [14:59:07] <Haohmaru> do they appear as two sepparate audio interfaces?
1526 [15:00:00] <Haohmaru> you might potentially have issues with tiny amounts of delay (not good) or worse - long-term clock desync
1527 [15:00:01] <cryptodan> you might need something like jackd running to separate the audio over hdmi interfaces
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1530 [15:02:41] <karlpinc> Haohmaru: That is very interesting. How is it that you are able to know about this stuff? Is there someplace to RTFM?
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1537 [15:05:09] <Haohmaru> karlpinc well, if you have, say.. one audio interface with 4 channels - all is good, but if you have two interfaces each with 2 channels - that's not quite the same, each interface has it's own independant clock and they are free to drift away.. in scenarios like that, there are audio interfaces which can be "sync'ed" together to fix that problem
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1543 [15:06:50] <karlpinc> Haohmaru: The "sync" is done with software or do the 2 audio interfaces have to have the same hardware?
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1545 [15:07:08] <cryptodan> good chips do it at the hardware level
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1547 [15:07:47] <karlpinc> So you would have to have the same chipset in both audio interfaces?
1548 [15:07:52] <Haohmaru> karlpinc you can't do much from software, it's done at clock level
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1551 [15:10:26] <Haohmaru> karlpinc perhaps this (i haven't read it) replaced-url
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1556 [15:12:22] <Haohmaru> it should be more or less, they can all generate their own clock as usual, but they have the option to send that clock out to another device and/or use a clock signal coming from outside
1557 [15:12:48] <Haohmaru> thus one device can generate the clock and the others will use that, then they can't drift away (long term)
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1564 [15:16:08] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: How is the clock supposed to desync? There's only one clock on machine.
1565 [15:16:23] <Haohmaru> petn-randall which one?
1566 [15:16:25] <Haohmaru> ;P~
1567 [15:18:08] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: Where are there two audio clocks that can desync? The host is feeding both soundbars via HDMI or displayport, the clock is on the host machine, not in the displays.
1568 [15:18:24] <Haohmaru> well, if these dell soundbar things work thru hdmi - i don't know, maybe hdmi itself has ways to carry wordclocks or synchronization
1569 [15:19:03] <cryptodan> the clocks would be controlled by the crystals on the hdmi video card
1570 [15:19:09] <Haohmaru> petn-randall i was thinking the soundbars are actually USB devices *shrug*
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1573 [15:19:27] <Haohmaru> then it might be all fine
1574 [15:19:29] <petn-randall> Even then, how is the clock supposed to drift? There's only one.
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1578 [15:20:09] <Haohmaru> not sure.. USB -> DAC ..
1579 [15:20:21] <Haohmaru> a DAC will need a sample clock
1580 [15:20:29] <cryptodan> process plant issues not every motherboard or chip is tested for issues
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1583 [15:23:30] <petn-randall> Sounds like you're making claims about something you know very little about.
1584 [15:24:03] <Haohmaru> possibly
1585 [15:24:16] <ukine> computers are crazy complex huh
1586 [15:24:24] <ukine> what with every phone in a pizza box
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1588 [15:25:41] <Haohmaru> i wonder why wordclock exists then.. my audio interface has it even
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1591 [15:27:28] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: That only makes sense if you have more than one source. If you hook up two soundbars to a computer, you only have *one* source: the computer.
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1593 [15:28:22] <Haohmaru> right.. well my first question was "<Haohmaru> do they appear as two sepparate audio interfaces?" and i assumed "yes"
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1595 [15:28:31] <Haohmaru> that was my big mistake ;]
1596 [15:28:36] <cryptodan> dual hdmi ports could be seen as multiple sources
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1598 [15:29:17] <petn-randall> Those are sinks, not sources.
1599 [15:29:19] <Haohmaru> if you can set one of them to 44.1kHz while the other one to 48kHz then they likely have sepparate clocks
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1602 [15:30:31] <cryptodan> i see them as sources as you could define what goes out of the hdmi ports via jackd and other sound processing daemons
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1607 [15:31:28] <Haohmaru> not sure what you mean with "sources" and "sinks"
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1610 [15:33:11] <jair> hello all, I am wondering if there is a simple way to keep my dns as before using whatever I set in resolv.conf instead of that > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53)
1611 [15:33:51] <greycat> !override dns
1612 [15:33:52] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
1613 [15:34:27] <jair> greycat: thank you for the info
1614 [15:34:49] <jair> greycat: but I am not talking about overwritting this file
1615 [15:35:05] <jair> greycat: I am more interested in why the change? what it's the point?
1616 [15:35:17] <greycat> Well, start by reading replaced-url
1617 [15:35:21] <petn-randall> jair: Did you check the wiki page yet?
1618 [15:35:33] <jair> petn-randall: calm down tiger, I will go check
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1620 [15:36:29] <themill> jair: using localhost would be a deliberate move such as installing a local validating dns server. Have you done so?
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1622 [15:36:55] <petn-randall> jair: Not sure why you assume I'm not calm.
1623 [15:37:00] * selckin puts 5$ on systemd
1624 [15:37:08] <jair> themill: if I have installed what?
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1627 [15:37:51] <themill> something like unbound
1628 [15:38:18] <jair> themill: a local validating dns server, man, all I am wondering is why do we have something some complex, before it was the resolv.conf file that's it.
1629 [15:38:26] <themill> um, no
1630 [15:38:44] <jair> the someone introduced the resolconf and then something even more weird
1631 [15:38:46] <jair> systemd
1632 [15:38:51] <themill> you only have this if you configured this.
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1634 [15:39:12] <jair> themill: hmm I just installed debian by defailt with the gui and network manager
1635 [15:39:30] <themill> doesn't sound anything like a default
1636 [15:39:54] <jair> themill: I see OK I will read about the wiki then sorry to bother
1637 [15:40:07] <petn-randall> jair: What does 'netstat -npl | grep :53' return?
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1641 [15:41:26] <themill> the actual contents of /etc/resolv.conf would be good to see too
1642 [15:41:44] <greycat> Also the output of "ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf"
1643 [15:41:56] <jair> petn-randall: > replaced-url
1644 [15:42:25] <greycat> Wow, someone actually turned on systemd-resolved?
1645 [15:42:30] <petn-randall> jair: And which OS release is this?
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1651 [15:43:06] <jair> greycat: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Sep 29 09:29 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
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1653 [15:43:22] <RoyK> !resolvconf
1654 [15:43:22] <dpkg> i guess resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
1655 [15:43:56] <jair> greycat: so i just need to remove or disable systemd-resolved
1656 [15:44:04] <jair> RoyK: thank you sir
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1659 [15:44:24] <greycat> jair: we need to understand what you are doing, what OS you are actually using, and WHY it has been enabled. It's not enabled by default in Debian as far as I'm aware.
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1661 [15:44:45] <cryptodan> jair: before you do that test your removal in a vm first so you dont break your installation
1662 [15:44:48] <greycat> But on the other hand, you appear to have a resolvconf package installed, which is something Debian created....
1663 [15:44:56] <sh00p> I'm messing around with an embedded system i'm deploying on. Got this weird message after trying to remount my / to rw
1664 [15:45:04] <sh00p> replaced-url
1665 [15:45:04] <jair> cryptodan: OK thank you all I am using buster
1666 [15:45:19] <jair> or debian 10
1667 [15:45:58] <greycat> Please someone tell me that buster doesn't turn on systemd-resolved by default.
1668 [15:46:20] <n4dir> for sure first time i hear that.
1669 [15:46:22] <petn-randall> greycat: buster doesn't turn on systemd-resolved by default.
1670 [15:46:26] <greycat> Yay!
1671 [15:46:45] <themill> dnssec by default would be nice though :(
1672 [15:47:10] <jair> alright gentleman Thank you as always. I will go to read
1673 [15:47:14] <jair> :(
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1678 [15:50:53] <jelly> greycat: you did not specify whether you'd prefer the served line to be true
1679 [15:51:20] * greycat can't handle the truth
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1685 [15:57:05] <jair> thank you very much all, I disabled systemd-resolved and made NetworkManager not to touch dns all good :)
1686 [15:57:14] <jair> Thank you!
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1689 [15:58:34] <petn-randall> jelly: Yeah, checking that would be $4.99.
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1716 [16:17:59] <Gordio> themill: you right. I build everyhting, but! after get conflict with python-apt and some other system packages.
1717 [16:18:37] <Gordio> themill: can you help me build package python3.6.7 that not connected with system packages, please.
1718 [16:18:46] <Gordio> I try checkinstall, but get error with libainstall :(
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1720 [16:19:40] <themill> Gordio: you're probably much better off with a virtualenv
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1741 [16:43:24] <[E]sc> i can't get chroot to work to fix my system, it's complaining about bin/bash not being there even when i point to it via chroot temp_dir/ dir_in_temp_dir/bin/bash
1742 [16:43:28] <[E]sc> how can i fix this?
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1744 [16:43:58] <greycat> Did you also include all of the shared libraries and so on?
1745 [16:44:38] <greycat> Plus the basic ld.so infrastructure (/etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig inside the chroot...)
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1747 [16:45:40] <[E]sc> greycat: they libraries should be there, but because my var, usr, root was all partitioned, when i used the liveusb, they all mounted to the temp_dir / "some random uuid" /
1748 [16:46:12] <[E]sc> do i need to tell it explicitly they're all there? if so, how can i do that?
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1754 [16:49:10] <greycat> So you are *not* creating a brand new chroot from scratch on a working system. You're trying to rescue a non-booting system by booting from alternative media and then mounting the non-booting system and then chrooting into it?
1755 [16:49:23] <greycat> !chroot
1756 [16:49:23] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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1758 [16:49:52] <greycat> If it turns out you also need your separate /var and /usr during this process, you should mount them in the correct spots.
1759 [16:50:02] <n4dir> i would assume that if usr, var etc is on separate partitions, you will have to mount all of them after you mounted the / partition but before you do the actual chroot
1760 [16:50:11] <greycat> yes, that
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1764 [16:51:01] <n4dir> iirc the main reason i gave up on such, and just put all in one partition. :-)
1765 [16:51:05] <[E]sc> greycat: yes, i'm trying to rescue my non-booting system
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1899 [18:19:28] <buu> Can I use apt to find a list of packages installed from a "non-standard" repo? Like deb-multimedia or something
1900 [18:20:31] <rany> buu: I don't think so.. but you can use cat
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1902 [18:21:10] <buu> oh?
1903 [18:21:20] <buu> How?
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1906 [18:22:29] <rany> buu: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/REPONAME_Packages|grep Package:
1907 [18:22:45] <Kohlrabi> buu: I think debian mutlimedia pacakges have "dmo" in the version string
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1913 [18:27:23] <buu> Kohlrabi: good point
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1922 [18:37:31] <blinker> there is any app to make linux binary work inside wine ?
1923 [18:37:51] <apollo13> uhm, why?
1924 [18:38:02] <apollo13> that seems like going in circles :d
1925 [18:39:13] <petn-randall> blinker: What would that accomplish?
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1928 [18:40:48] <blinker> i have a qt app its linux version work on linux and browsing https works but when its(this linux app) windows version i run with qt dll and req libeay and seay dll it give up with erro ssl handshake failed inside wine
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1934 [18:41:59] <petn-randall> blinker: If the Linux version works, why do you want to run the Windows version with wine?
1935 [18:43:02] <blinker> because voice works inside windows only :( they broke voice in linux version and voice only works in windows version
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1941 [18:46:17] <jhutchins_wk> Cruft kills.
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1948 [18:47:17] <blinker> ON debian only browsing works but voice is not working and both voice and browsing works in windows version. And browsing error ssl handshake failed in windows version in wine may be its not compiled with gnutls or openssl ?
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1950 [18:47:28] <jhutchins_wk> blinker: It might help to know what actual app you're working with.
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1953 [18:49:19] <jhutchins_wk> buu: dpkg -l
1954 [18:49:24] <jhutchins_wk> Gah.
1955 [18:49:37] <blinker> jhutchins replaced-url
1956 [18:49:38] <jhutchins_wk> buu: dpkg -l | grep bpo
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1958 [18:51:09] <jhutchins_wk> blinker: Do you expect me to download and install it to find out what the program is?
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1961 [18:51:59] <buu> jhutchins_wk: Yeah, thanks
1962 [18:53:36] <blinker> jhutchin if you take out qt packages from linux version and put it inside new windows version with voice .THAN I AM THANKFUL/ I dislike chromium in windows version replaced-url
1963 [18:54:19] <jhutchins_wk> blinker: I think youre best bet would be to conatct their support channels. This is not a Debian or Linux specific problem, it's specific to this package.
1964 [18:54:51] <jhutchins_wk> blinker: replaced-url
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1967 [18:56:28] <blinker> jhutchins they give up on linux version Released on June 06, 2018. viewer support for debian available from only third party available which are not reliable
1968 [18:57:00] <blinker> official viewer given up making linux version.
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1970 [18:59:22] <blinker> they use debian as there servers but do not make linux viewers anymore haha
1971 [19:00:15] <EdePopede> they are literally telling you GTFO. and you still want to support them?
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1976 [19:02:46] <blinker> edepopede what is GTFO who is telling who ?
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1979 [19:03:44] <EdePopede> blinker: if they stop developing a linux client they say they don't care about the part of their users running linux
1980 [19:04:11] <EdePopede> not even if they come up with an electron version (think skype)
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1983 [19:05:31] <EdePopede> or flash plugin. here for some reason adobe restarted the linux version after years.
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1987 [19:06:50] <EdePopede> and though i never used second life, if they show that attitude i wouldn't expect more support than with, say, facebook.
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1989 [19:08:08] <blinker> edepopede i however taken old viewer qt files and mixed it up with new bin file and launch voice on debian using wine .IT WORKS but its a headach to run copying and other initialtion.what is script i can add to run a particular voice exe to launch in debian with wine from a folder /home/winexe ?
1990 [19:08:14] <greycat> The politics around Flash are ... beyond me. We use Kronos at work. Old version didn't require Flash, and worked great. New version requires Flash. And the UI is atrociously bad. I can't even guess why they made it work that way.
1991 [19:09:58] <SerajewelKS> i have a d-i installed luks+lvm system, and whenever i reboot/shutdown systemd waits like 5 minutes to deactivate crypt/lvm, presumably because / is still in use
1992 [19:10:03] <blinker> can you give me a compiled version of stable wine with gnutls openssl and root certificates ? or any tutorial so as i can compile bymyself
1993 [19:10:14] <SerajewelKS> i'm not really even sure how to troubleshoot this
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2005 [19:18:33] <blinker> edepopede LD_PRELOAD=wine $home/path to exe dir/voice.exe how should i add it in linux starter file ./secondlife of viewer which will launch voice in wine automatically along with other plugins ?
2006 [19:18:37] <EdePopede> blinker: i think your best chance would be to get the ssl problem with the windows version fixed. if not by now, then you can expect them to lock the doors for older version at some point (again: think skype)
2007 [19:19:03] <EdePopede> blinker: does it work if you start it like this from the shell?
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2010 [19:19:19] <blinker> yea it works
2011 [19:19:32] <EdePopede> and how do you start it normally? .desktop file?
2012 [19:19:54] <EdePopede> you could try it with a wrapper script around the binary, if it is one
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2014 [19:20:35] <EdePopede> if it is started with a shell script, then you could backup it(!) and then modify the start process in that script
2015 [19:20:37] <blinker> i out old qt files from 3.7 and put sl viewer bin files from 5.1 and than launch viewer in debian and launch in another terminal slvoie.exe seperatly it works with both qt browsing https and voice same time in debian
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2017 [19:21:34] <EdePopede> blinker: i only have no idea how sl is supposed to be used :)
2018 [19:21:55] <EdePopede> but if this mixup works.. wow
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2024 [19:25:41] <blinker> edepopede it works on debian only .
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2027 [19:28:05] <SerajewelKS> i honestly didn't know sl was still a thing
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2030 [19:29:09] <EdePopede> maybe they finally introduced a nudist ressort ;)
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2032 [19:29:35] <blinker> ## Nothing worth editing below this line.
2033 [19:29:35] <blinker> ##-------------------------------------------------------------------
2034 [19:29:36] <blinker> SCRIPTSRC=`readlink -f "$0" || echo "$0"`
2035 [19:29:36] <blinker> RUN_PATH=`dirname "${SCRIPTSRC}" || echo .`
2036 [19:29:36] <blinker> echo "Running from ${RUN_PATH}"
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2039 [19:30:13] <greycat> "Nothing worth editing" except ripping out the entire script....
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2041 [19:30:39] <greycat> At least they got the quotes right. That's better than most.
2042 [19:30:47] <SerajewelKS> !paste
2043 [19:30:47] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2047 [19:31:59] <blinker> how i add wine $home/pathtodir/win slvoice.exe inside #!/bin/bash
2048 [19:32:00] <blinker> ## Here are some configuration options for Linux Client Testers.
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2056 [19:34:10] <EdePopede> blinker: with your preffered text editor... or what exactly to you mean with "how i add"? how you have to put the pieces together?
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2063 [19:37:26] <blinker> edepopede you can compile by adding qt dll from win version 3.7 replaced-url
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2065 [19:38:27] <blinker> you can tell me how to but i have no experience in that but a lot of time and curiosity to dig this haha
2066 [19:38:41] <greycat> Are you asking "How do I write a complicated shell script?"
2067 [19:39:05] <greycat> You practice with simpler ones first, and then work your way up to it.
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2069 [19:39:36] <EdePopede> "compile"...?
2070 [19:39:48] <at0m> /me reads something about .exe and "works on debian only" and goes on
2071 [19:39:56] <blinker> i am just a user not a programmer.But i have no knowledge to do that
2072 [19:40:20] <at0m> blinker: that "lot of time" will come in handy.
2073 [19:40:24] <greycat> I'm guessing he does not actually mean "compile" here.
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2078 [19:42:04] <EdePopede> blinker, you don't have to be a programmer to dig your hands into shell scripts. you can even get into using makefiles and ./configure and such without ever touching C or so... only it takes time and you should learn to fish if you're willing to to this
2079 [19:42:16] <blinker> well you are debian dev .your efficeint in compiling i am not . i just copy paste things but it works anyhow in my case i solved to work that on debian but could not get it to work inside wine. THERE IS SOME SSL HANDSHAKE PROBLEM. somewhere it was suggested if wine is compiled with gnutls or openssl it will work in it too
2080 [19:43:00] <EdePopede> blinker: even with copy/paste you should have a basic idea of what you're (doing|asked to do).
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2084 [19:44:09] <EdePopede> so the question now is, is your (i think this means the on from stretch) wine compiled with gnutls or openssl?
2085 [19:44:52] <greycat> I've been led to believe that the wine versions of Debian stable releases are hopeless for any real work.
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2088 [19:45:31] <greycat> You should probably be talking to the #winehq channel instead of us.
2089 [19:46:43] <jelly> ,v wine-stable
2090 [19:46:45] <judd> No package named 'wine-stable' was found in amd64.
2091 [19:47:15] <jelly> ,v wine32 --arch i386
2092 [19:47:17] <judd> Package: wine32 on i386 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 3.0.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.0.3-2; sid: 3.0.3-2
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2094 [19:47:23] <jelly> backports!
2095 [19:47:42] <blinker> i do not know . someone said that debian use openssl and wine use gnutls.I do not know if winestaging deb or stable deb is compiled with gnutls or not ,How to find it ?but i am having ssl handshake problem may be it is related to libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll
2096 [19:47:49] <greycat> #winehq topic says "Stable[3.0.3] Development[3.18] || Please upgrade to 3.18 before seeking help"
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2098 [19:48:17] <greycat> blinker: to find out, you can use ldd on the program. That will show you all of the shared libs it's linked against.
2099 [19:48:21] <jelly> yeah, that's devs for you
2100 [19:48:35] <jelly> still the version in backports isn't _horribly_ old
2101 [19:48:44] <jelly> ,v wine32-development --arch i386
2102 [19:48:45] <judd> Package: wine32-development on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 2.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0-3+b2; buster: 3.18-2; sid: 3.18-2
2103 [19:49:09] <jelly> no backport there, that's about the same as it was back when I used wine actively
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2106 [19:49:34] <rafalcpp> how to allow an user to edit certain one file as root (file is writable by root only) in a secure way?
2107 [19:50:03] <greycat> You really can't. Almost every text editor has some means of running arbitrary commands.
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2109 [19:50:14] <rafalcpp> greycat: that's sad
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2111 [19:50:17] <blinker> i added the required dll from new and old client but qt webkit connected and started but ends in ssl handshake error while opening https on wine
2112 [19:50:22] <greycat> You'd be better off changing the permissions on the file. Either make it group-writable and put the user in that group, or use ACLs.
2113 [19:50:46] <rafalcpp> ok that is an idea. Though, really no one written such secure mode for any editor?
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2115 [19:51:18] <greycat> Unix tools were generally not built to restrict you.
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2117 [19:51:26] <greycat> They were built to empower you.
2118 [19:51:43] <jelly> rafalcpp: configure sudo and give them sudoedit permissions
2119 [19:52:01] <jelly> for that particular file path
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2122 [19:53:54] <jelly> that's completely safe and obeys $EDITOR
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2125 [19:54:07] <jelly> or VISUAL or both.
2126 [19:56:10] <mason> ds
2127 [19:56:17] <mason> sorry, mt
2128 [19:56:53] <jelly> mt: command not found
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2130 [19:57:05] <mason> No, you've definitely found me.
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2132 [19:57:21] * mason is the kind of mistypes.
2133 [19:57:25] <mason> See? The king.
2134 [19:57:33] * jelly rewinds mason
2135 [19:57:38] <mason> Thank you.
2136 [19:58:00] <greycat> jelly: you don't have cpio installed?
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2138 [19:58:22] <SerajewelKS> it's also likely that whatever file you're editing as root, you can probably trick whatever reads that file into running things as root
2139 [19:58:31] <mason> I miss tape drives.
2140 [19:58:34] <annadane> they're not even close to each other on the QWERTY keyboard but then again i routinely type entire words when i meant to type other words
2141 [19:59:08] <jelly> greycat: I'll have you know I have not one but three mt alterinatives installed on this tapeless system
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2143 [19:59:39] <mason> Three! What are they?
2144 [19:59:48] <jelly> cpio, mt-st, and star
2145 [19:59:58] <jelly> star isn't even in debian any more
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2147 [20:00:16] <mason> Hrm. Didn't know cpio could do that, never seen star, not sure I've seen mt-st. Nifty.
2148 [20:00:30] <greycat> ,v star
2149 [20:00:31] <judd> No package named 'star' was found in amd64.
2150 [20:00:50] <mason> One of the few things I ever got into NetBSD was "mt asf", which I implemented as a cheat - rewind, then fsf
2151 [20:01:02] <jelly> star's actually great but noone cared about it in debian and upstream author was kind of hard to work with
2152 [20:01:19] <jelly> (it's schily ware)
2153 [20:01:21] <greycat> I use the upstream on a few systems.
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2155 [20:02:33] <jelly> star is one of the nicer tars I've ever used. It dealt with sparse files, ACLs, hardlinks, file ordering way back when gnu tar was missing all of that
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2157 [20:02:56] <blinker> edepopede INFO: LLPluginProcessParent::receiveMessage: plugin version string: Webkit media plugin, Webkit version 2.02.106681 (QtWebKit version 4.7.1) INFO: LLPluginProcessParent::receiveMessage: message class: base -> version: 1.0 INFO: LLPluginProcessParent::receiveMessage: message class: media -> version: 1.0 INFO: LLPluginProcessParent::receiveMessage: message class: media_browser -> version: 1.0 01ee:fixme:toolhelp:CreateTool
2158 [20:02:57] <blinker> help32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot 01ee:fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub 01ee:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub 01ee:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
2159 [20:03:21] <mason> While that's technically not over three lines...
2160 [20:03:22] <greycat> blinker: I'm fairly sure you've exceeded #debian's capabilities at this point
2161 [20:03:24] <mason> !paste
2162 [20:03:24] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2163 [20:04:26] <petn-randall> "fixme:toolhelp:CreateTool help32Snapshot Unimplemented:" kind of says it all. It's not implemented in wine.
2164 [20:04:28] <blinker> greycat libcurl version is: libcurl/7.54.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2l zlib/1.2.8 nghttp2/1.25.0
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2166 [20:04:52] <greycat> And why are you telling me this?
2167 [20:05:32] <blinker> how to fix it ?
2168 [20:06:09] <greycat> Ask #winehq.
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2170 [20:06:50] <petn-randall> Probably there no way, unless you start implementing API calls in wine.
2171 [20:06:55] <blinker> they have no idea either
2172 [20:07:05] <jelly> petn-randall: that's literally what wine is all about!
2173 [20:07:10] <EdePopede> options: a) use a newer version which has implemented what is missing in yours. if not available yet: b) file a bug report/feature request
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2175 [20:07:41] <petn-randall> jelly: Sure, but maybe blinker is not all about it.
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2177 [20:08:16] <greycat> What's it all about... jelly?
2178 [20:08:41] <jelly> blinker: do you know how to use winecfg to make wine pick some native dlls and some wine dlls for a particular .exe?
2179 [20:08:48] <blinker> This is problem and winehq says fixme are not errors really .app will still work " 01ee:fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub 01ee:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
2180 [20:08:54] <jelly> if not, ask the wine channel how to do that
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2182 [20:09:45] <jelly> getting a couple stubs may or may not be ok, it's really hard to say
2183 [20:10:06] <Coren> Heya. A quick Q. (Since Stretch, I think) systemd units for ifupdown are created from /etc/network/interfaces* as ifup@device.service from the /lib/systemd/system/ifup@.service templateish thing. *What* creates the actual service units?
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2186 [20:11:10] <no_gravity> Do you guys install avconv these days or ffmpeg?
2187 [20:11:48] <jelly> Coren: dpkg -L ifupdown... suggests automatic creation from /lib/systemd/system/ifup@.service template
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2190 [20:12:24] <jelly> no_gravity: ffmpeg is back in Debian, so ffmpeg
2191 [20:12:28] <greycat> ,popcon avconv
2192 [20:12:29] <judd> No package named 'avconv' was found.
2193 [20:12:31] <greycat> ,popcon ffmpeg
2194 [20:12:33] <judd> Popcon data for ffmpeg: inst: 40128, vote: 6787, old: 25485, recent: 7848, nofiles: 8
2195 [20:12:38] <greycat> Winner: ffmpeg!
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2197 [20:12:52] <jelly> libav-tools probably
2198 [20:12:54] <no_gravity> Ok, going for ffmpeg
2199 [20:12:56] <jelly> or similar
2200 [20:13:04] <trysten> so.. i created half a raid on my system, copied my entire root fs and have been using it happily. when I tried adding the second drive to complete the raid array, I found it was too small! But there's no going back now. How do I shrink a raid partition?
2201 [20:13:06] <SerajewelKS> avconv lags behind ffmpeg and IIRC still has security vulnerabilities fixed in ffmpeg years ago
2202 [20:13:10] <annadane> ,popcon popcon
2203 [20:13:11] <judd> No package named 'popcon' was found.
2204 [20:13:11] <greycat> Well if he can't even be bothered to give us the correct package name, how are we supposed to take his polling question seriously....
2205 [20:13:11] <blinker> petn-randall 01ee:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub how to fix it ?
2206 [20:13:13] <SerajewelKS> avconv is dangerous unless you trust your input
2207 [20:13:31] <jelly> so is ffmpeg
2208 [20:13:36] <annadane> oh right i think it's popularity-contest... anyway, enough spam from me
2209 [20:13:37] <SerajewelKS> trysten: you can't shrink a filesystem online
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2211 [20:13:48] <jelly> SerajewelKS: they both have dozens of exploits on a monthly basis
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2213 [20:13:53] <greycat> popcon is the bot trigger word, popularity-contest is the package
2214 [20:13:57] <SerajewelKS> sure. the difference is that ffmpeg fixes them.
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2216 [20:14:07] <jelly> right now they do
2217 [20:14:26] <SerajewelKS> basically avconv is a poorly-maintained fork of ffmpeg
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2219 [20:14:43] <petn-randall> blinker: Stop asking, I already told you. a) You don't b) you learn programming and a deep understanding of Windows API calls and create a proper function out of that stub.
2220 [20:14:44] <d[10]> i'm try to install php7.1 on debian 9
2221 [20:14:55] <SerajewelKS> trysten: if the filesystem was resized to fill the raid device then you have to resize it offline
2222 [20:15:01] <d[10]> i haven't libc6 (>= 2.28)
2223 [20:15:04] <d[10]> what i do ?
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2225 [20:15:15] <SerajewelKS> trysten: if the filesystem is no bigger than the device you want to add, you can shrink the raid device online
2226 [20:15:37] <jelly> d[10]: you don't install packages for newer releases of Debian onto Debian 9, because that breaks your installation
2227 [20:15:50] <greycat> !deb.sury.org
2228 [20:15:50] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
2229 [20:16:24] <jelly> d[10]: never mix a release of debian with newer branches
2230 [20:16:25] <d[10]> jelly oh nice
2231 [20:16:42] <blinker> greycat WARNING: LLCore::HttpPolicy::stageAfterCompletion: HTTP request 06777BE8 failed after 0 retries. Reason: SSL connect error (Easy_35)
2232 [20:16:54] <greycat> *plonk*
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2234 [20:16:59] <annadane> *plonk*
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2236 [20:17:22] <jelly> blinker: greycat said they can't help you, best stop highlighting them asking for help
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2238 [20:18:03] <d[10]> greycat i'm try this
2239 [20:18:06] <d[10]> no success
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2244 [20:18:22] <jelly> blinker: your issue requires specific domain knowledge that not many people in here can provide -- try asking in the upstream channel instead
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2251 [20:22:04] <d[10]> greycat jelly solved thanks
2252 [20:22:14] <d[10]> the problem is ondrej ppa
2253 [20:22:18] <d[10]> remove and solved
2254 [20:22:25] <greycat> !ppa
2255 [20:22:26] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
2256 [20:22:35] <blinker> petn-randall http working but https not ..please solve why ? THIS OPENED INSIDE QT BROWSER replaced-url
2257 [20:22:43] <greycat> If you see "ppa", run.
2258 [20:22:55] <d[10]> greycat
2259 [20:22:56] <greycat> It's a giant red flag that says "DO NOT USE".
2260 [20:22:56] <d[10]> auehau
2261 [20:23:11] <d[10]> greycat have vulnerabilitys ?
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2263 [20:23:33] <jelly> d[10]: that's the same guy, and his docs pretty much say not to use the PPA as well, so yeah
2264 [20:23:58] <jelly> !ppa
2265 [20:23:59] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
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2267 [20:25:29] <blinker> a little help about ssl will make it work.and no one is providing it :(
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2270 [20:25:58] <apollo13> because the number of people in here caring for wine & secondlife is close to zero
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2272 [20:26:50] <annadane> i mean you were told it's extremely complex
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2274 [20:26:54] <blinker> edepopede your here ?
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2278 [20:27:01] <annadane> if it were easy to solve we wouldn't all be yelling at you
2279 [20:27:02] <jelly> blinker: there's only so many ways to say "we don't know", repeated asking for help after that is not productive. Do you have another question?
2280 [20:27:05] <annadane> oh well never mind
2281 [20:27:11] <jelly> that works, too
2282 [20:27:14] <petn-randall> woops
2283 [20:27:50] <petn-randall> I was getting tired of them asking the same questions over and over, highlighting random people in the channel. It was leading nowhere.
2284 [20:27:58] <annadane> i've been very guilty of that too, they'll learn in time
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2288 [20:29:34] <d[10]> jelly whats the user to phpmyadmin in debian ?
2289 [20:29:40] <d[10]> i'm try login with pass
2290 [20:29:44] <d[10]> but no success
2291 [20:29:45] <d[10]> root
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2293 [20:29:52] <d[10]> and my user danillo
2294 [20:30:01] <jelly> d[10]: probably a mysql user.
2295 [20:30:30] <d[10]> jelly i give only the pass
2296 [20:30:33] <d[10]> in installation
2297 [20:30:43] <jelly> I have no idea what happens if you install Debian 9 with mariadb-server without an explicit mysql root password and then install phpmyadmin
2298 [20:31:05] <jelly> !README.Debian
2299 [20:31:05] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
2300 [20:31:33] <jelly> dpkg: I don't know. See if there's a /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian.gz and zless it
2301 [20:31:33] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jelly
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2303 [20:31:41] <jelly> d[10]: I don't know. See if there's a /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian.gz and zless it
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2339 [20:51:16] <Surgo> Hey everyone, I seem to have trouble getting Steam games (particularly those ported to linux by Feral) to work properly; it seems like it's an issue with the nVidia drivers; I get decimal point framerates and lots of missing textures.
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2341 [20:51:31] <Surgo> I can't find any information on how I would go about diagnosing this
2342 [20:52:03] <greycat> Identify the chipset (lspci -nn) and make sure you have the appropriate firmware and possibly drivers for it.
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2344 [20:52:18] <Surgo> That I do, I've used nvidia-detect.
2345 [20:52:43] <Surgo> Hitman 2016 works "fine" (missing things still, but framerates are same as on Windows) using Vulkan
2346 [20:53:33] <Surgo> I've tried also running Doom 2016 using the compatibility layer, but it doesn't load at all without Vulkan enabled by command line, and when it does, it freezes on menu
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2351 [20:54:30] <Surgo> Chipsets are mostly AMD (I run Ryzen 1600x), the gfx chip is GP107GL
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2353 [20:54:55] <greycat> *blink*
2354 [20:54:58] <greycat> 14:52 Surgo> That I do, I've used nvidia-detect.
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2356 [20:55:37] <Surgo> Yeah, it told me to install nvidia-driver, so I did. I assumed that's all I needed to get the proper drivers?
2357 [20:57:14] <nyov> no comment
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2359 [20:57:48] <Surgo> That bad, eh.
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2361 [20:57:57] <jelly> Surgo: which debian release, which driver for that nvidia, if the non-free one which version and how did you install it?
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2364 [20:58:06] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2365 [20:58:06] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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2367 [20:58:41] <Surgo> added non-free repo, I'm on testing (buster), then installed using ``sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver``
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2369 [20:59:09] <Surgo> Then added i386 architecture for Steam, and pulled the appropriate packages to get it running
2370 [20:59:19] <jelly> testing, eh? I don't know whether nvidia-driver is broken in buster at present. Best ask in
2371 [20:59:24] <jelly> !debian-next
2372 [20:59:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2374 [21:00:26] <Surgo> Thanks
2375 [21:00:27] <jelly> some security features in kernel broke it about two months back
2376 [21:00:35] <Surgo> ...well damn.
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2378 [21:01:12] <Surgo> Think it's a good idea to downgrade to stable?
2379 [21:01:18] <jelly> show your dmesg to -next channel, if it's that they'll know
2380 [21:01:54] <jelly> there is no downgrade, you can reinstall but if your hw platform of choice is recent on the market stable may have other problems
2381 [21:02:11] <greycat> Ryzen is one of those shiny new things, I think.
2382 [21:02:26] <greycat> Bot doesn't even know what it is yet.
2383 [21:02:42] <Surgo> dmesg doesn't yield anything past the ~100 second mark at all.
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2423 [21:29:41] <notmyself> folks, if the "security support" for a debian release has ended, does that means it's repositories get shutdown or can i still donwload packages (although outdated and unsecure) from there??
2424 [21:29:51] <greycat> you can continue downloading
2425 [21:30:21] <greycat> Eventually it will be removed from the regular mirrors and moved to "archive".
2426 [21:30:25] <greycat> !archive
2427 [21:30:26] <dpkg> well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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2435 [21:32:40] <notmyself> greycat, thanks, i can use archive mirror normally as any other mirror right? or do i need some special package? (i mean, besides "tar" lol)
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2437 [21:33:01] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
2438 [21:33:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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2440 [21:33:24] <greycat> I don't recommend running old releases, though.
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2443 [21:34:11] <acf_> does anyone else have trouble loading replaced-url
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2445 [21:34:24] <acf_> or really any page on that site
2446 [21:34:47] <acf_> it crashes the page almost instantly
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2448 [21:35:03] <greycat> God, so many buster users coming in here now :( :(
2449 [21:35:17] <notmyself> greycat, hey very thanks :D i was rpeciselly going to ask for some example of "archive sources.list" till that
2450 [21:35:17] <greycat> People thinking that running something marked "testing" is normal.
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2452 [21:35:29] <notmyself> i do have to use meanwhile archive debian8 because legacy systems
2453 [21:35:33] <acf_> would you rather people not run testing?
2454 [21:35:38] <acf_> I thought that was the whole point...
2455 [21:36:24] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2456 [21:36:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2457 [21:36:27] <greycat> If you choose to help test Debian by running testing or unstable, kudos. As an unpaid testing guinea pig, you are expected to know how to file bug reports for the problems you've found. And to go to the #debian-next channel on the other IRC network if you want to talk about your feelings.
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2459 [21:36:51] <petn-randall> acf_: I'd ask in the above channel, it's where all the testing/sid users hang out.
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2461 [21:37:08] <petn-randall> greycat: No need to scold the very users that are helping make buster great.
2462 [21:37:20] <acf_> thanks. apologies for intruding. I'm just trying to figure out if this is worth filing a bug report for
2463 [21:37:41] <annadane> freeze is coming... :)
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2465 [21:39:27] <notmyself> greycat, how can i know if jessie have been already moved into "archive"? dpkg bot still gives me as example the "normal" sources.list of jessie
2466 [21:39:37] <greycat> It hasn't.
2467 [21:39:52] <greycat> Even wheezy hasn't been moved yet, or at least it hadn't the last time I checked.
2468 [21:40:00] <greycat> Jessie is still under LTS support.
2469 [21:40:19] <notmyself> so in theory i can still use normal mirrors?
2470 [21:40:46] <greycat> yes, apt-get update still works on wheezy. no change.
2471 [21:40:48] <notmyself> mmm that's odd, as i said, i tried connecting to main mirror earlier it couldnt find it, err 404
2472 [21:40:53] <notmyself> oh ok
2473 [21:42:02] <annadane> there was an issue with the mirrors which has since been fixed, that may have been it
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2475 [21:43:13] <notmyself> you sure? im talking about like i had the error half an hour ago
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2477 [21:43:39] <greycat> Probably just an issue with that one mirror. That happens fairly often.
2478 [21:43:57] <notmyself> ok then, gonna try canadian mirrors then
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2504 [22:03:37] <Fahrradkette> Hi everybody. I'm using Buster and like to have firefox-esr (52.9.0) playing mp4 (x264) videos. Is there a way to get it running with the default installed version?
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2507 [22:04:34] <greycat> !debian-next
2508 [22:04:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2510 [22:05:37] <annadane> esr 52 is eol, so enjoy your security vulnerabilities
2511 [22:05:38] <Fahrradkette> greycat: thanks a lot. appreciate it greatly :)
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2525 [22:08:59] <Fahrradkette> annadane: is there a package which tracks more recent builds of FF?
2526 [22:09:25] <greycat> Now I'm just confused. Do you want recent, or do you want deprecated and abandoned?
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2530 [22:11:05] <Fahrradkette> to be honest, just the default
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2535 [22:11:35] <greycat> The default is that you run STABLE, which has firefox-esr 60.x at this time.
2536 [22:11:42] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
2537 [22:11:43] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.2.2esr-1
2538 [22:11:50] <Fahrradkette> oh
2539 [22:12:01] <annadane> yeah i heard firefox on buster lags behind
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2542 [22:12:38] <DammitJim> With this whole Spectre vulnerability
2543 [22:12:45] <DammitJim> are you guys really disabling hyperthreading?
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2546 [22:13:43] <annadane> anyway if you want stable you most likely need to reinstall, downgrades are not officially supported
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2551 [22:15:23] <csehl> somehow i'm unable to find information about how to activate a specific theme with gfxboot
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2553 [22:15:37] <csehl> any pointers would be great
2554 [22:16:43] <Fahrradkette> annadane: thanks a lot
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2556 [22:17:21] <annadane> idk if you're on testing purely for firefox but replaced-url
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2560 [22:17:48] <annadane> before 60 it didn't have quantum technology but now stable has 60 so .....
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2565 [22:18:43] <annadane> (god, browsers suck)
2566 [22:18:46] <greycat> Unpacking an upstream tarball into /opt/firefox/ or wherever would be preferable to any kind of apt shenanigans.
2567 [22:18:51] <annadane> yep
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2569 [22:19:10] <n4dir> "browsers suck" qft
2570 [22:19:22] <annadane> the general way is /opt for system-wide or /usr/local for per-user
2571 [22:19:40] <Fahrradkette> I prolly go that route
2572 [22:19:46] <n4dir> annadane: why /usr/local for per-user?
2573 [22:20:06] <greycat> I... uh... that doesn't even make sense.
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2575 [22:20:23] <somiaj> annadane: /opt is more stand alone software that wants to live in some single dir like /opt/firefox, while /usr/local is for software that wants to split up like the FHS, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/share, etc.
2576 [22:20:35] <greycat> Yeah, I agree with that one.
2577 [22:20:48] <somiaj> though in either case neither are part of .deb packages and safe to use for local isntalls.
2578 [22:21:33] <n4dir> was always wondering why there is /opt and /usr/local. Finally i found out. somiaj : thanks.
2579 [22:22:01] <annadane> right. i'm a dumb.
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2602 [22:32:01] <nyov> and here I thought opt was for mounting my optical drives
2603 [22:32:24] <annadane> why don't any of us understand debian? :/
2604 [22:32:28] <Epakai> thinkpad x280, debian 9.5. i have encrypted lvm with separate unencrypted /boot. there's a long delay after grub screen until the cryptsetup prompt with just a flashing cursor. seems like i didn't have this on other machines. can it be reduced?
2605 [22:32:28] <annadane> i need to read moar
2606 [22:32:36] <antto> intuition is gonna get you lost in linux
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2615 [22:37:55] <phogg> 'man hier' is your friend
2616 [22:38:22] <greycat> NOBODY expects the Linux Intuition!
2617 [22:39:12] <antto> when some of the simplest random-looking combinations of symbols are akchually the deadliest commands
2618 [22:39:26] <nyov> it's a learning experience
2619 [22:39:29] <annadane> it's especially annoying when you knew about man hier but were like "oh yeah it's this anyway"
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2623 [22:40:31] <nyov> wait. /srv is officially recognized? I did not know hta
2624 [22:40:34] <nyov> that
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2626 [22:41:20] <greycat> I have one but there's nothing in it, and I have never used it for anything.
2627 [22:41:53] <annadane> mistakes are fine as long as they're not destructive
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2631 [22:42:34] <annadane> i think i was thinking of .local/share/applications which *is* per-user
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2634 [22:43:18] <n4dir> now i've seen it all.
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2638 [22:44:17] <n4dir> though i think i had menu entries in there ..., not applications itself. Might be i recall wrong
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2641 [22:46:18] <n4dir> annadane: like such /usr/share/applications/xterm.desktop
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2644 [22:47:07] <annadane> let's all shut up, Epakai has a question. :P
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2653 [22:52:23] <Epakai> i think it's unrelated to cryptsetup. I followed this replaced-url
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2658 [22:54:19] <Epakai> delay happens between steps 1 and 2. so either something wrong with finding the boot partition or maybe some delay in opening the initrd image
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2661 [22:57:16] <SerajewelKS> Epakai: maybe run a drive self-test, make sure the drive isn't failing?
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2670 [23:00:41] <aloo_shu> Epakai: no direct help, but you could spend some time with info grub (type that in a term) , learn the grub command line basics, and attempt manual boot - that, for example, would allow you to see if the initrd is getting loaded promptly
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2674 [23:01:32] <SerajewelKS> kernel is loaded before initrd usually
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2676 [23:01:42] <greycat> If the user interface of "info grub" isn't your cup of tea, try "info grub | less", or try installing the pinfo package and using "pinfo grub".
2677 [23:01:46] <SerajewelKS> i think?
2678 [23:02:06] <greycat> Boot loader, then kernel, then initrd.
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2720 [23:30:13] <n4dir> if i autostart a terminal and autostart gnu-screen, how can i (easily) also open a second screen window?
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2723 [23:30:53] <n4dir> is that even correct: lilyterm -e screen -t chat irssi &
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2729 [23:36:26] <taylorbyte> im trying to run a seperate /usr/local partition and would like to know how to configrue initramfs to mount it after root but before init? im not very familiar with initramfs in debian.
2730 [23:40:09] <at0m> n4dir: i put my lines in .screenrc. you can -e screen -c .screenrc2 if you need another one
2731 [23:40:47] <at0m> n4dir: but assuming you'll only use one screen session, add the windows/programs to .screenrc
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2734 [23:41:26] <SerajewelKS> taylorbyte: i *think* update-initramfs will make sure that critical volumes get mounted at the appropriate times
2735 [23:41:36] <n4dir> at0m: yup, i only will use one screen session. You can tell me what exaclty to put there? I failed with my searches.
2736 [23:41:47] <SerajewelKS> i think if you put the filesystem in fstab and run update-initramfs you should be okay
2737 [23:41:48] <at0m> n4dir: then screen -r or something alike to resume session if you open term again later
2738 [23:42:17] <n4dir> what i want is a) autostart irssi and b) open a second window (like ctl+a+c does)
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2741 [23:43:36] <mason> n4dir: replaced-url
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2744 [23:44:32] <taylorbyte> SerajewelKS: whats happening is systemd isn't starting my custom services and timers stored in /usr/local/lib/systemd/system i have a feeling fstab lines are mounted after systemd starts which is too late
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2747 [23:46:14] <at0m> n4dir: once .screenrc is set up, just "lilyterm -e screen -r" or -R or whatever options you want your screen session to start then resume with
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2750 [23:46:50] <n4dir> yes, but how do i make screen start irssi and open a second window?
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2753 [23:47:36] <SerajewelKS> taylorbyte: did you update your initrd after adding the fstab line though?
2754 [23:47:55] <SerajewelKS> sudo update-initramfs -k all -u
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2761 [23:49:36] <at0m> n4dir: a line with "screen -t 2 irc irssi" and a line "screen -t justaterm 1"
2762 [23:49:37] <maxrazer> Is there any way to recover if I type "exit" in a tty virtual terminal? The system stops responding to input, but keeps operating.
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2764 [23:50:11] <at0m> n4dir: with -t being the title as done with ^a,:title but preset
2765 [23:50:27] <taylorbyte> SerajewelKS: not sure its been a while since i lookd at my problem, thanks its good to get another opinion on irc, i'll try that shortly.
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2770 [23:51:30] <n4dir> at0m: let me try.
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2772 [23:52:15] <at0m> n4dir: you can always add new windows using a similar line within screen instead of ^a,c
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2774 [23:52:59] <pikolowali> hi all
2775 [23:53:00] <at0m> n4dir: so from within your current session, you can run "screen -t justanotherterm 7"
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2777 [23:53:30] <SerajewelKS> taylorbyte: it may or may not work. i've just noticed that if i do that, initrd seems to know about critical volumes, even ones buried in raid+lvm
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2788 [23:56:12] <n4dir> at0m: that didn't work.
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2791 [23:56:28] <at0m> n4dir: which what?
2792 [23:57:17] <at0m> running such screen lines in bash, or from .screenrc ?
2793 [23:57:23] <pikolowali> Since yesterday, I'm not able to boot my computer anymore. (I swear, this time I did nothing wrong, not even an upgrade). I'm facing a grub rescue issue. I tried to boot-repair with a Ubuntu live but the problem persists. Right now, I'm able to get to the grub page (even if Windows is not part of the list of choices, but whatever). The problem is: when I try to boot on my debian, I'm facing a "cryptsetup not found", so impossible
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2795 [23:57:54] <n4dir> i have "lilyterm -e screen &" in openbox and the lines you said in .screenrc. screen starts, but not irssi
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2798 [23:58:40] <n4dir> and it looks as if i had two instances of screen running now. screen -r shows so.
2799 [23:58:43] <pikolowali> I may have pretty bad explained my issue. To be clear, 1. grub rescue; 2. Boot-repair; 3. cryptsetup not found when booting
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2803 [23:59:34] <at0m> n4dir: oops i mistyped there. screen -t irc 1 irssi" - title should follow the -t option, followed by number and ending by the program to run
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