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1 [00:02:10] <agio> join #linux
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3 [00:02:18] <nyov> dave4925: likely you did not run apt-get update recently enough
4 [00:02:34] <nyov> dave4925: and the file apt is trying for has been removed
5 [00:03:28] <nyov> ,v tzdata
6 [00:03:29] <judd> Package: tzdata on amd64 -- wheezy: 2016d-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2018e-0+deb7u1; jessie: 2018e-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2018e-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2018e-0+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2018e-0+deb9u1; buster: 2018e-1; sid: 2018f-1
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8 [00:03:55] <dave4925> I do update before upgrade every time
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10 [00:04:26] <nyov> then perhaps it's a mirror issue?
11 [00:04:52] <nyov> E: Failed getting release file replaced-url
12 [00:05:04] <nyov> oh noes oh woes :(
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15 [00:05:22] <dave4925> hmm
16 [00:05:28] <dave4925> wget works though
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18 [00:05:29] <nyov> what was the archive-url again?
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20 [00:05:52] <dave4925> replaced-url
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24 [00:06:42] <nyov> dave4925: that is a CDN, it might rotate backends
25 [00:07:17] <dave4925> hmm
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27 [00:07:43] <nyov> dont have an issue here fetching it
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31 [00:08:55] <nyov> post your full aptitude console log if you can (I prefer aptitude for error debugging)
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34 [00:09:29] <dave4925> the standard output of the error?
35 [00:09:32] <nyov> s/post/paste
36 [00:10:17] <dave4925> oh... now it works lol
37 [00:10:30] <dave4925> whoever fixed it congrats
38 [00:10:31] <nyov> CDN...
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41 [00:14:35] <nyov> yay, found lenny again. lol
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59 [00:23:30] <litb> hello folks
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81 [00:47:37] <wr> replaced-url
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85 [00:48:47] <nyov> W: GPG error: replaced-url
86 [00:48:51] <nyov> damn.
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88 [00:50:47] <nyov> people should perhaps not write FIXME and TODO in the wiki when they have no intend to finish that. bad style
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91 [00:51:13] <nyov> i don't even know what's to fix there. looks complete :D
92 [00:56:03] <Kadigan> Hey. Quick question: I'm trying to use quota on my filesystem. Can I specify `grpquota` without also having to use `usrquota`?
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120 [01:09:36] <rant> !lenny
121 [01:09:36] <dpkg> Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. replaced-url
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124 [01:11:28] <agio> hi all. does anyone how to define thresholds for the colors used by sysstat/sar commands? or the man page which explains?
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130 [01:17:03] <agio> or whether or not this is even possible?
131 [01:18:00] <RoyK> agio: no idea but if you find out it'd be interesting
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136 [01:21:01] <agio> im guessing you'd have to write your own awk script ?
137 [01:21:50] <agio> the one im interested in is uptime. e.g. sar -q
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171 [01:42:02] <akko> dummy output on pulseaudio
172 [01:42:16] <akko> I remember that thing gave me A LOT of headaches in the past
173 [01:42:21] <akko> may someone help me?
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181 [01:50:08] <rant> help you with what?
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184 [01:52:09] <rant> agio: man sar see the ENVIRONMENT section variables S_COLORS and S_COLORS_SGR
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254 [02:47:51] <agio> ,sound
255 [02:47:59] <nyov> dpkg: tell me about fixing apt key expiry in pbuilder env
256 [02:48:04] <agio> whats the sound checklist?
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258 [02:48:38] <agio> ,alsa
259 [02:48:50] <agio> ,alsachk
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261 [02:49:17] <agio> ,chk
262 [02:49:23] <nyov> dpkg: tell agio about alsa checklist
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265 [02:50:02] <agio> ,alsa-checklist
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268 [02:52:35] <nyov> o/~ o/~
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270 [02:52:38] <nyov> !sing the alsa song
271 [02:52:38] <dpkg> o/~ o/~
272 [02:52:43] <nyov> \o/
273 [02:53:45] <agio> how do you use that bot? doesnt it have a help ?
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278 [02:54:12] <nyov> magic crystal ball
279 [02:54:22] <agio> why would sound work for root and not for a regular user?
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281 [02:56:06] <nyov> maybe something already sitting on it, like PA
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283 [02:57:40] <agio> yes, PA is installed. any idea how i can backtrace the problem? (no sound - sound works for root only)
284 [02:58:06] <agio> when i run `groups' is shows im already in audio
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287 [03:00:33] <nyov> do you have a file ~/.asoundrc ?
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289 [03:01:00] <agio> lno
290 [03:01:03] <agio> no
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293 [03:01:12] <nyov> ok good
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297 [03:04:08] <rant> agio: the , is for judd, wrong bot
298 [03:04:13] <rant> !alsa-checklist
299 [03:04:13] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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301 [03:04:27] <agio> rant: ah, thanks
302 [03:04:35] <rant> ,what are you
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304 [03:05:45] <rant> !judd
305 [03:05:45] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
306 [03:05:50] <rant> !what are you?
307 [03:05:51] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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309 [03:05:55] <nyov> agio: check /etc/pulse/default.pa for any strange config maybe. other than that I have no idea
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311 [03:06:35] <nyov> agio: and have my magic crystal ball: replaced-url
312 [03:07:38] <agio> nyov: bot factoid is cool, thanks
313 [03:07:50] <agio> should I killal pulseaudio?
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315 [03:08:16] <nyov> it will come right back. so you can try
316 [03:08:37] <nyov> helps when I have sound buffer issues, just doing a quick kill
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319 [03:09:00] <nyov> and all is good again
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327 [03:10:45] <agio> nyov: yes it worked!
328 [03:10:49] * awal1 wonders why, compared to some users, my debian always worked like a charm :P
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330 [03:10:57] <nyov> \o/
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332 [03:11:02] <nyov> !sing the alsa song
333 [03:11:03] <dpkg> o/~ o/~
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335 [03:11:26] <agio> \o/
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340 [03:15:06] <nyov> what do we take away from this... PA is like a microbe, killing it every once in a while will only make it come back stronger
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368 [03:47:51] <rant> ,v libphysfs1
369 [03:47:52] <judd> Package: libphysfs1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.2-6; jessie: 2.0.3-2; stretch: 2.0.3-5; buster: 3.0.1-2; sid: 3.0.1-2
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371 [03:50:05] <rant> hmm.. sooo.. I would like to build a debug version of the latest upstream hedgewars which depends on this libphysfs1 from buster/sid however I dont think just backporting it manually would be a good idea since I have the stretch-backports (latest upstream release version) of HW installed which is built against stretch's libphysfs1 2.0
372 [03:50:25] <rant> any thoughts/suggestions? anything I can do aside from an entire chroot here?
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381 [03:55:58] <nyov> rant: what speaks against rebuilding your stretch non-debug version against the newer libphysfs as well?
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383 [03:57:02] <rant> nyov: idk, I know nothing of this library but thats a major verion number difference..
384 [03:57:23] <rant> and offhand idk if anything else on my system uses this library
385 [03:57:27] <nyov> ,i libphysfs1
386 [03:57:28] <judd> Package libphysfs1 (libs, optional) in stretch/amd64: filesystem abstraction library for game programmers. Version: 2.0.3-5; Size: 53.1k; Installed: 165k; Homepage: replaced-url
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388 [03:59:28] <nyov> ,depends libphysfs1
389 [03:59:29] <judd> Package libphysfs1 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0).
390 [03:59:34] <nyov> er
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392 [03:59:57] <nyov> ,v hedgewars
393 [03:59:58] <judd> Package: hedgewars on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.17-1; jessie: 0.9.20.5-12; jessie-backports: 0.9.22-dfsg-11~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.9.22-dfsg-11+b1; stretch-backports: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b2; sid: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b2
394 [04:00:35] <nyov> hmm. HW version isn't much different though.
395 [04:00:47] <rant> that tells you nothing
396 [04:01:37] <rant> hw revision numbers are drastic changes.. I been working with the devs for years now.. and I am using the stretch-backport which is the current release build.. the dev version is 0.9.25
397 [04:01:37] <nyov> just thinking out loud, but you are correct ofc
398 [04:01:58] <nyov> ok
399 [04:02:08] <rant> and I just ran cmake and its bitching about libphysfs saying its too old
400 [04:02:10] <rant> heh
401 [04:02:32] <rant> I'm trying to narrow down an input issue here.. its royally pissin me off :P
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403 [04:03:17] <rant> nobody seems to care about the joystick support.. but I hate using the keyboard.. its like knowing how to touch type and watching your father sit there hunting and pecking
404 [04:04:15] <rant> right now I'm having an issue where pressing right goes left and keeps going left until I press left, or pressing down goes up and keeps going up until I press up.. I've built SDL tests, checked xev, etc, etc.. near as I can tell the problem is in HWengine itself
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407 [04:04:58] <rant> I'm not sure right now when 0.9.25 will release, but I'd like to make sure this is fixed by then if not already, and maybe even figure out how to fix it in the current version
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409 [04:05:29] <rant> I can't stand to develop on the damn game when I cant test with a joystick
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411 [04:06:57] <nyov> HW with joystick? ugh. anyway, I guess I'd just not use a system-wide libphysfs for the dev build then
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413 [04:07:34] <nyov> unless I could build it in a way that it won't conflict with the current one, and that seems like too much hassle
414 [04:07:46] <nyov> but idk
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419 [04:10:36] <nyov> then again you said the version bumped from 2 to 3. why is the package name libphysfs*1* in the first place?
420 [04:11:13] <nyov> ah. soname
421 [04:11:38] <nyov> libphysfs.so.1 -> libphysfs.so.2.0.3
422 [04:11:39] <nyov> huh
423 [04:12:29] <rant> idk they've made a lot of bad choices in development imho.. and they're aware of and planning to address many of em just not anytime soon :P
424 [04:12:44] <rant> right now they're just trying to get 1.0 out finally
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426 [04:14:26] <rant> all bad dev choices aside they've made a great game with a lot of really nice a/v work the voices were what made me fall in love with the game years ago :P
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430 [04:20:19] <nyov> heh. I started out with the first Worms in `98, was a blast :D consequently I didn't get on very well with the cartoonish-style of later versions. But HW is a worthy follower of the theme
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432 [04:21:29] <rant> I'd never even heard of worms until after I found HW
433 [04:22:52] <nyov> oh wait... that was 96? holy cows... replaced-url
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437 [04:29:15] <rant> idk but seems like mono-runtime is horribly broken in stretch
438 [04:29:20] <rant> I can't seem to get anything to run with it
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440 [04:30:09] <rant> it always says this same error Unhandled Exception: System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly or one of its dependencies. File name: 'System.Core, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'
441 [04:30:42] <rant> I've tried various OpenSim builds, OpenRA, they all crash with this error
442 [04:30:54] <rant> googling it had gotten me nowhere
443 [04:31:23] <nyov> Hm. I had RA work, but don't ask me about mono -.-
444 [04:31:56] <rant> I'm talking about OpenRA not the Westwood Studios / EA version
445 [04:32:02] <nyov> me too
446 [04:32:45] <rant> idk, it wanted to install mono, but I told it no and installed it myself via apt
447 [04:32:53] <rant> cause who knows wth it'd have done if I let it do it
448 [04:33:10] <rant> really not /that/ interested in trying OpenRA
449 [04:33:51] <rant> if I really wanted to play that bad I could play the real thing.. I probably got a dozen different versions of it lying around
450 [04:34:52] <rant> I had been wanting to get OpenSim working though and I thought this was just an OpenSim issue, until i just tried OpenRA and got the same exact error
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453 [04:37:10] <nyov> well. my openra install is Version: 20151224.release *g* but it works
454 [04:37:30] <rant> how'd you install it? I d/l some appimage crap
455 [04:37:48] <rant> didnt see it in the package manager and the website said to download these app images
456 [04:38:37] <nyov> uh, good question.
457 [04:38:41] <nyov> Maintainer: Chris Forbes <chrisf@ijw.co.nz>
458 [04:39:18] <nyov> don't remember? only that there was an issue downloading assets back then replaced-url
459 [04:40:00] <rant> but you have a deb package?
460 [04:40:03] <nyov> yeah
461 [04:40:16] <rant> yeah this isnt a deb package its some one-size fits all thing
462 [04:40:27] <nyov> lol, idk where tf i got it from. maybe it was unstable-only?
463 [04:41:53] <nyov> nothing on snapshots.d.o either
464 [04:42:39] <rant> hmm.. apparently the fix for _THAT_ error is installing libmono-system-core4.0-cil which isnt pulled in by mono-runtime
465 [04:42:58] <rant> maybe opensim will work now.. cause OpenRA sure doesnt.. heh.. just moved on to a new error :P
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467 [04:44:30] <nyov> here's my apt-cache show openra: replaced-url
468 [04:44:47] <nyov> I guess they had a deb package at some point
469 [04:45:48] <rant> apt policy openra ?
470 [04:46:22] <rant> !openra
471 [04:46:28] <nyov> replaced-url
472 [04:46:29] <rant> ,i openra
473 [04:46:30] <judd> No package named 'openra' was found in stretch/amd64.
474 [04:46:50] <rant> apparently you manually downloaded it
475 [04:47:49] <nyov> I suppose I might have
476 [04:47:56] <nyov> would policy show if I removed the source in the meantime
477 [04:48:25] <rant> I believe so, it checks the current settings.. if the source is gone it would not show it
478 [04:48:41] <rant> apt does have logs though
479 [04:49:11] <nyov> okey.
480 [04:49:42] <rant> seems they package it with appimage now though
481 [04:51:50] <nyov> seems I still have a deb package
482 [04:52:33] <nyov> the 24.12.2015 release xD
483 [04:52:53] <nyov> here it is: replaced-url
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485 [04:52:58] <rant> none of the appimage website or openra website suggest wtf the dependencies for this crap is
486 [04:53:09] <rant> just says Mono 4.0
487 [04:53:24] <rant> Mono is not a thing.. its like a million little pieces
488 [04:53:38] <rant> kinda need to be more specific than that
489 [04:53:43] <nyov> that's why I pasted you the package info
490 [04:53:55] <rant> ah right.. didnt think of that :P
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493 [04:55:02] <nyov> or you can try the old deb version. didn't manipulate it any, promise.
494 [04:56:44] <rant> yeah that worked.. I just had to install a buncha libmono-system-* crap from that pkg info
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496 [04:57:15] <rant> these assclowns would have you install 400 packages instead of just telling you which 4 you need
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498 [04:58:54] <rant> damn.. this is just like the real thing with less suck
499 [04:59:02] <nyov> \o/
500 [04:59:37] <nyov> yeah, I went through dune in about a day again, back then
501 [04:59:44] <nyov> good times
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503 [04:59:46] <rant> I was tellin my brother about this cause he plays this a lot.. and was askin me about hackin on it recently.. I said look into OpenRA prob even easier to hack since its open source
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505 [05:00:29] <rant> yeah idk what dune is.. I seen one that I guess is like tiberian sun..
506 [05:00:35] <rant> is there a RA2 version?
507 [05:00:53] <nyov> replaced-url
508 [05:01:29] <rant> red alert 2 had like ability for soldiers to dig in, better unit control..etc
509 [05:01:38] <pingfloyd> rant: the predecessor to Command and Conquer
510 [05:01:45] <rant> personally I like the classic RA
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512 [05:02:05] <rant> ah I started with RA, never even player Command and Conquer
513 [05:02:17] <pingfloyd> C&C and the predecessor to RA
514 [05:02:24] <rant> yeah I know that much
515 [05:02:29] <rant> just never played it
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518 [05:03:19] <rant> hmm its letting me queue builds/training and RA didnt do that IIRC
519 [05:03:23] <rant> RA2 did
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521 [05:04:44] <nyov> too bad there is no open-source version of Earth2140 with tcp/ip multiplayer...
522 [05:05:20] <rant> hmm also is showing me enemy capabilities.. telling me they are getting gps..
523 [05:05:25] <rant> RA didnt do that either
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565 [06:01:24] <lazerlemon> hey
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568 [06:02:13] <rant> hay is for horses
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570 [06:02:37] <lazerlemon> which I have just been killing
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572 [06:02:46] <lazerlemon> we got horse pussy lip steaks
573 [06:02:52] <lazerlemon> horse rectum tacos
574 [06:03:01] <Unit193> lazerlemon: Please quit.
575 [06:03:04] <lazerlemon> we just shoot that horses asshole right off
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578 [06:03:23] <rant> do you have any debian issues to discuss?
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635 [07:18:21] <Kadigan> Damn, I don't get it. I had root SSH/sFTP access working just fine... then I added a line for "Match Group" (to chroot a different group of users), and now I can't connect w/ root. It seems to log in just fine, but then... just lingers, until my sFTP client (FileZilla) disconnects due to inactivity. /var/log/auth.log doesn't show anything suspicious - just new sessions being opened, then closed after a short while.
636 [07:18:51] <Kadigan> I can log in via SSH just fine, by the way. Only sFTP doesn't want to work.
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638 [07:23:17] <Kadigan> Ah, nvm. It seems there's a conflict between internal-sftp and sftp-server I had no idea about.
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781 [09:24:20] <shtrb> morning people , anyone have an internal sim reader which works with stable (network manager is not a must be a nice feature to have ) ?
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787 [09:28:05] <expert975> Is our kernel linux libre or are there blobs?
788 [09:28:22] <shtrb> kernel itself is GPL but you can get blobs
789 [09:28:41] <shtrb> You also have blobs on hardware (if you care)
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792 [09:30:53] <expert975> shtrb: so the kernel is not linux libre then?
793 [09:31:01] <shtrb> it is
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798 [09:32:15] <expert975> shtrb: about the hardware blobs (firmware?), what can be done about them?
799 [09:33:32] <shtrb> buy different hardware
800 [09:33:40] <shtrb> or build one
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808 [09:38:57] <shtrb> expert975, are you afraid of kernel contamination or you wish to be as free as you get on debian ?
809 [09:39:29] <expert975> shtrb: I want to use only free software
810 [09:39:35] <shtrb> if you care about as free as you get you just get the main source in apt.
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813 [09:39:46] <shtrb> !apt
814 [09:39:47] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
815 [09:40:13] <shtrb> !main
816 [09:40:14] <dpkg> Debian's "main" archive area consists of <DFSG>-compliant packages, which do not rely on software outside this area to operate. These are the only packages considered part of the Debian distribution. replaced-url
817 [09:40:19] <shtrb> expert975, ^
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819 [09:41:09] <n4dir> well: debian probably has had it's kernel in free, and iirc gnu.org thought otherwise. That problem is solved though (again:iirc)
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821 [09:41:39] <n4dir> though i would agree that with debian without contrib/non-free it's pretty close to a free system
822 [09:42:03] <expert975> n4dir: could you define 'pretty close'?
823 [09:43:20] <n4dir> sure: i for one am not planning to investigate the whole problem any further. So: for me it's ok, and more i neither know nor care
824 [09:43:50] <n4dir> that is serious, not sarcastic or such. It's just me. ok ?
825 [09:44:00] <expert975> Debian is not endorsed by FSF only because it hosts the non-free repo, correct?
826 [09:44:23] <n4dir> iirc gnu.org has the main problem that debian does *offer* contrib and non-free, and thats it. So: fine for me too.
827 [09:44:29] <shtrb> FSF is no longer free either
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829 [09:44:36] <n4dir> expert975: as far i know yes.
830 [09:45:12] <n4dir> say: i don't think much about the hardware level. Not that i wouldn't care, but it is beyond me.
831 [09:45:16] <expert975> shtrb: how so?
832 [09:45:44] <expert975> n4dir: I would love to tinker with the hardware, since I'm into that kind of stuff
833 [09:45:44] <shtrb> politics , DFSG was not contaminted with that yet
834 [09:46:01] <shtrb> expert975, take a look on open hardware
835 [09:47:13] <n4dir> expert975: i do hear now and then that you can "flash" something (something, huh? perhaps replace the BIOS with a free one, like said: beyond me).
836 [09:47:44] <n4dir> friends of me are much in it, but i hardly listen ... :-)
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838 [09:48:07] <expert975> shtrb: I've been searching for that and closest thing to that I've found at a reasonably was Raspiberry PI
839 [09:48:09] <shtrb> expert975, they are not x86 to my knowledge but you can play with it nicely ( replaced-url
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842 [09:49:31] <shtrb> I think there where blobs even there
843 [09:49:32] <OS-41167> join #offsec
844 [09:49:36] <OS-41167> oops
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857 [09:56:29] <shtrb> expert975, also replaced-url
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909 [10:45:39] <fenwick17_> Hello, having an issue with my panels in KDE. For some reason whenever I reboot, the clock and system tray move to the left. If I move them back to the right and lock widgets. They will still move to the left on reboot
910 [10:45:57] <fenwick17_> Ooops, ignore that. Wrong channel
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913 [10:47:38] <rant> heh
914 [10:47:58] <rant> I've had that happen on Gnome2 and MATE for years.. it doesnt ALWAYS happen but it happens
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923 [10:58:14] <Luyin> hi there, I'm trying to install debian testing for arm64 on an HPE Proliant Gen10 Microserver. I've already been here about a week ago with the same problem. Last time I was told to try putting the iso on the usb drive again because it might have been corrupted. Now that I did that, I get the same error I got before: I insert the drive, start the server, press F11 to get into the boot menu, select the usb
924 [10:58:16] <Luyin> drive, and end up with this: replaced-url
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931 [11:02:09] <rant> how are you putting this ISO on the usb drive?
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935 [11:03:29] <rant> also note this channel is for Debian stable support, testing/unstable is #debian-next on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) but your current problem is likely just a matter of properly writing the usb drive and thats not really a branch related issue
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937 [11:03:57] <rant> Luyin: if you are merely putting an ISO file onto a filesystem, that doesnt make the drive bootable
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939 [11:04:43] <Luyin> rant: I used dd: `sudo dd if=Desktop/debian-testing-arm64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M status=progress`
940 [11:05:10] <Luyin> rant: right, sorry for the wrong channel
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943 [11:06:51] <rant> Luyin: well that should work.. but fwiw on a linux system you can also use cp debian.iso /dev/sdb
944 [11:07:32] <rant> Luyin: as an extra step you may want to verify the ISO against the checksum on the site you downloaded from then also verify the written media
945 [11:07:57] <Luyin> done that too :)
946 [11:07:58] <rant> Luyin: just to be sure you're not having any unexpected issues somewhere between the mirror and the drive
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948 [11:08:32] <rant> Luyin: well then you're looking at either a problem with the original file or a problem with the hardware booting over USB
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950 [11:08:49] <rant> Luyin: have you verified the ISO or drive itself either with a VM or another machine?
951 [11:08:58] <rant> is it the correct arch for the machine?
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953 [11:10:07] <Luyin> the ISO I verified from the same laptop I've downloaded it with, and put it on the drive. the one I'm at right now
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956 [11:13:32] <rant> I mean verified by booting it not by checksum
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959 [11:14:17] <rant> we already covered that you checksummed the ISO and drive.. that doesnt rule out that the ISO worked to begin with
960 [11:15:06] <jelly> Luyin, does this model have iLO?
961 [11:15:40] <Luyin> rant: no, I haven't tested that yet. I wanted to with a spare laptop, but I just realise that this doesn't have an arm chip. so I'm not sure how I would do that
962 [11:15:57] <jelly> Luyin, also, can you force it to do legacy boot and not uefi boot?
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964 [11:16:20] <Luyin> yes, jelly, I can
965 [11:16:23] <rant> arm chip?
966 [11:16:32] <rant> the iso is amd64 you said
967 [11:16:39] <Luyin> someone on another channel just said it's not arm but amd64 :-/
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969 [11:16:50] <Luyin> that would explain a lot
970 [11:17:02] <rant> thats what I'm getting at.. perhaps you have the wrong arch
971 [11:17:17] <jelly> ah, did not even notice that
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975 [11:17:40] <Luyin> I'll find that out first. if it is, I'm gonna slap myself for mixing that up m(
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980 [11:19:06] <rant> jelly: what? IS this machine an arm? I'm watchin a movie and playin a game here.. I'm barely payin attention myself :P
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982 [11:19:32] <jelly> unlikely
983 [11:19:39] <Luyin> rant: it has an AMD Opteron chip, and according to Wikipedia, that's amd64, not arm :-/
984 [11:19:45] <Luyin> so I probably messed this stuff up
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986 [11:20:29] <rant> yes you got the wrong ISO
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1000 [11:26:19] <Luyin> ok...when I can use amd64, I won't use debian but arch directly. :D
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1004 [11:34:26] <Luyin> yeah, the arch iso works. so it definitely was the wrong arch before. thanks for the help everyone!
1005 [11:34:40] <Luyin> since my further questions won't relate to debian anymore then, I'm out of here! bye!
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1018 [11:39:34] <rant> what?
1019 [11:40:34] <shtrb> he said thank you
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1021 [11:41:30] <rant> I thought he said I'm dumb as a sack of hammers
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1023 [11:41:44] <diogenes_> lol
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1101 [12:41:34] <fenwick17_> I am using KDE with my debian 9 build, and noticing a lot of my settings aren't persisting through reboot. Such as widget placement in the panel, and volume settings. Is there a way to get them to persist?
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1111 [12:56:07] <jhutchins_wk> KDE has had a Settings option to save the current session, and has had options to save the session when closed. No idea what the current options are.
1112 [12:57:01] <jhutchins_wk> The transition from 3.5 to 4.x destroyed 10 years worth of contacts, I run xfce now.
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1114 [12:57:04] <shtrb> start new, start from previous
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1116 [12:57:23] <jhutchins_wk> shtrb: Is that an option on the greeter?
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1122 [13:00:24] <shtrb> no in systemsettings
1123 [13:00:33] <shtrb> for KF5
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1143 [13:10:07] <shtrb> jhutchins_wk, systemsettings -> startup -> desktop session (start new, start manually saved, restore previous session)
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1256 [14:45:54] <introom> hi
1257 [14:46:00] <introom> wheere can i install: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
1258 [14:47:10] <apollo13> what is that and why do you think you need it
1259 [14:47:28] <nkuttler> ,v xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
1260 [14:47:29] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:12.9.0-1; jessie: 1:13.0.0-1+b3
1261 [14:47:45] <nkuttler> install an obsolete os?
1262 [14:47:51] <apollo13> :D
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1264 [14:47:57] <introom> E: Package 'xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse' has no installation candidat
1265 [14:48:09] <shtrb> introom, why do you need it ? (maybe it is supported by some other package) ?
1266 [14:48:09] <apollo13> yes, we are aware of that; why do you think you need it?
1267 [14:48:13] <nkuttler> sometimes it's also possible to forward-port packages, but i doubt you need it
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1269 [14:49:25] <introom> long story. i am using vmware fusion (host machine: mac), and the guest os is debian sid.
1270 [14:49:30] <eamanu> HEllo debianers!
1271 [14:49:38] <introom> running with i3 on xorg.
1272 [14:49:46] <apollo13> i3 still exists? wow
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1274 [14:49:56] <introom> the problem is, paste from host to guest works from time to time.
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1276 [14:50:10] <introom> i suspect maybe i am missing some driver, or other facilities.
1277 [14:50:17] <apollo13> did you install open-vm-tools
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1279 [14:50:28] <introom> i have to do a `echo "" | xsel" to manually activate the host-to-guest paste support.
1280 [14:50:29] <nkuttler> i3 best wm
1281 [14:50:30] <apollo13> though I am not sure if that is for vmware fusion or just esx & friends
1282 [14:50:39] <introom> i've installed open-vm-tools-desktop
1283 [14:50:48] <apollo13> and the services are up and running?
1284 [14:51:04] <introom> apollo13: other than i3, what's your choice?
1285 [14:51:26] <apollo13> introom: oh, I am using gnome but just because I am lazy
1286 [14:51:52] <introom> apollo13: any clean gnome instllation without pdf viewer, browser, or even file manager ?
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1289 [14:52:21] <apollo13> I don't follow; anyways I was only surprised that it still exists, that's all
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1291 [14:52:46] <apollo13> that said; debian sid might simply not work -- I highly doubt that sid is supported by fusion
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1295 [14:53:57] <choice> Hello! When I plug in my Android phone into my Debian laptop, it gives me a drive called 'Internal Memory'. Are my text messages in there somewhere?
1296 [14:54:05] <apollo13> no
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1302 [14:54:25] <apollo13> I mean it probably depends on the messaging app you use, but 99.99% no
1303 [14:54:35] <choice> I use the built in app
1304 [14:54:40] <choice> I want to backup my messages.
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1307 [14:55:42] <apollo13> you can probably use adb backup
1308 [14:56:22] <choice> Reading about it ... it sounds like that will create one huge file?
1309 [14:56:26] <apollo13> yes
1310 [14:56:46] <choice> And how do I parse it?
1311 [14:56:57] <choice> I want to have my text messages on my laptop to read.
1312 [14:57:06] <apollo13> you will have a hard time doing that
1313 [14:57:34] <choice> Why? There are no tools to handle the file?
1314 [14:57:47] <apollo13> afaik it is a zip file
1315 [14:58:00] <choice> That sounds good.
1316 [14:58:03] <choice> Let me try it ...
1317 [14:58:08] <apollo13> with all the apps and what not in there (maybe); then find the messaging app and it's sqlite database
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1319 [14:58:15] <apollo13> then you can maybe read the messages
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1321 [14:58:55] <apollo13> replaced-url
1322 [14:58:55] * choice runs apt install adb ...
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1324 [14:59:49] <choice> apollo13: Interesting. I will try with the full backup first ...
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1334 [15:01:39] <choice> Hmmm... 'adb start-server' and then 'adb backup -apk -shared -all -f backup-file.adb' gives me this: adb: unable to connect for backup: device '(null)' not found
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1341 [15:04:13] <choice> I had to enable use debugging
1342 [15:04:15] <choice> Now it works
1343 [15:04:32] <shtrb> it's not a true zip it's an internal format (but you can use gzip and sqlite )
1344 [15:04:33] <aloo_shu> sure
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1348 [15:05:39] <shtrb> choice, you have several db files you can get , but if you are lucky you can just do adb backup ... to get the entire content (depend on your phone)
1349 [15:05:45] <shtrb> you can than extract that file
1350 [15:05:49] <aloo_shu> oh thx for gzip+sqlite hint
1351 [15:05:52] <choice> So how do I extract the adb file now?
1352 [15:06:06] <choice> I had to enter a password. Maybe I should have left it blank?
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1355 [15:06:51] <choice> Hmm... it does not let me backup without a password.
1356 [15:06:52] <shtrb> the password is encryption
1357 [15:06:56] <choice> Yeah
1358 [15:07:01] <choice> So how do I extract the adb file?
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1362 [15:07:50] <shtrb> choice, you may can just copy the file itself (snoop around)
1363 [15:07:53] <NetTerminalGene> how can i check if a package in hold situation?
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1365 [15:08:18] <choice> shtrb: Double clicking it does not work
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1367 [15:08:33] <shtrb> double clicking ?! it's command line only
1368 [15:09:18] <choice> shtrb: But what do you mean with 'just copy the file itself'?
1369 [15:09:19] <shtrb> choice, replaced-url
1370 [15:09:30] <choice> I want to access the content of the file.
1371 [15:09:31] <shtrb> choice, adb shell + cp ...pathtofile
1372 [15:09:43] <shtrb> locally you work on it
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1374 [15:10:00] <choice> shtrb: adb shell gives me a shell.
1375 [15:10:10] <aloo_shu> what file do you need, choice?
1376 [15:10:11] <choice> shtrb: 'cp test' seems to be invalid
1377 [15:10:23] <choice> aloo_shu: I want to access the text messages.
1378 [15:10:36] <aloo_shu> oop
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1382 [15:11:23] <aloo_shu> I'd find an app that saves them to file for you, choice
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1384 [15:11:41] <shtrb> choice, replaced-url
1385 [15:11:44] <choice> aloo_shu: I think adb just did that. But it encrypted the file.
1386 [15:11:57] <aloo_shu> I know
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1388 [15:12:26] <shtrb> choice, but #android would know better
1389 [15:12:27] <aloo_shu> but adb backup files are often very incomplete
1390 [15:12:30] <NetTerminalGene> how can i see which version of package is installed?
1391 [15:12:42] <shtrb> NetTerminalGene, apt-cache policy
1392 [15:12:53] <aloo_shu> shtrb: you don't know #android :(
1393 [15:12:59] <choice> shtrb: Unfortunately they don't
1394 [15:13:15] <NetTerminalGene> shtrb, thanks
1395 [15:13:33] <aloo_shu> is your phone rooted, choice ?
1396 [15:13:40] <choice> aloo_shu: No
1397 [15:14:15] <aloo_shu> wait a sec
1398 [15:14:17] <shtrb> choice, try using the approach in the link I gave you (copy to sdcard and then pull )
1399 [15:14:20] <shtrb> aloo_shu, I got help there once
1400 [15:14:56] <choice> shtrb: I would like to automate my full phone backup and be able to read the backup.
1401 [15:15:09] <choice> So I can backup my phone every month or so.
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1403 [15:15:16] <choice> And be sure the stuff is actually in there.
1404 [15:15:23] <choice> And can read the text files on my pc.
1405 [15:15:30] <shtrb> choice, adb could do that for you (just make sure you can restore into a vm )
1406 [15:15:48] <choice> shtrb: I want to read the files in my Debian.
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1409 [15:15:58] <choice> I think all I need to do is decrypt the adb file.
1410 [15:16:26] <Dyl0n> q
1411 [15:16:26] <choice> Unfortunately the phone won't let me backup without a password.
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1414 [15:16:47] <shtrb> before that, try to restore to an android vm
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1416 [15:16:55] <choice> shtrb: Why?
1417 [15:17:06] <shtrb> because you can mount the filesystem of a vm
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1419 [15:17:13] <shtrb> and make sure the backup is valid
1420 [15:17:16] <aloo_shu> choice would this help? replaced-url
1421 [15:17:49] <choice> aloo_shu: I would prefer to backup the whole phone in one go.
1422 [15:17:59] <aloo_shu> ah
1423 [15:18:17] <shtrb> choice, and that's why I said setup an android vm and check the restore
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1425 [15:19:04] <choice> shtrb: I don't understand you reasoning behind that suggestion
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1427 [15:19:51] <shtrb> If you perform a full backup you can - 1) verify that you can restore into a vm 2) you can mount the vm as a filesystem and copy files
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1432 [15:20:36] <choice> shtrb: 1) If I manage to decrypt the backup I can do that too. And I need to decrypt it anyhow.
1433 [15:20:56] <shtrb> yes, but adb restore is the android way to restore
1434 [15:20:58] <choice> shtrb: If the encrpytion took place on the phone (which I am afraid might have happened) then 2) would not work.
1435 [15:21:16] <shtrb> you mount the vm not the backup
1436 [15:21:30] <choice> I somehow have the feeling the encryption uses a key that is derived from something inside the phone.
1437 [15:21:47] <choice> Then the whole operation is pointless to begin with.
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1441 [15:22:50] <choice> Unfortunately what I read online seems to confirm this.
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1445 [15:23:33] <choice> Or maybe not.
1446 [15:23:40] <choice> There seem to be some decryption tools.
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1450 [15:24:01] <shtrb> adb restore does the decryption for you
1451 [15:24:13] <shtrb> so is openssl that I suggested you few minutes ago
1452 [15:24:38] <choice> shtrb: You still mean the VM way? That is hard to automate.
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1455 [15:25:13] <shtrb> oh I missed you get an error for backup , make sure the adb-server is running as root
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1459 [15:25:31] <choice> shtrb: I got the backup running meanwhile.
1460 [15:25:41] <shtrb> ok it will take a while
1461 [15:25:49] <choice> It's pretty quick.
1462 [15:25:55] <choice> But it creates an encrypted file.
1463 [15:25:58] <choice> Thats the problem.
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1465 [15:26:21] <shtrb> it's few gbs (should be)
1466 [15:26:43] <choice> It's just 20MB
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1468 [15:26:59] <shtrb> too small
1469 [15:27:04] <choice> Why?
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1472 [15:27:53] <shtrb> because on average mine had been in the gbs
1473 [15:28:40] <choice> Looks like I have less stuff on my phone.
1474 [15:29:10] <aloo_shu> no, the .ab just has the app settings, not much more
1475 [15:29:46] <choice> aloo_shu: It's an .adb file
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1479 [15:30:28] <aloo_shu> the result of running adb backup, right?
1480 [15:30:45] <aloo_shu> tnat doesn't back up much
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1482 [15:30:58] <choice> Yeah
1483 [15:31:25] <choice> I wonder how to find out what is in there.
1484 [15:31:30] <choice> Since it's encrypted I can't :)
1485 [15:31:50] <aloo_shu> maybe gzip takes a password
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1487 [15:32:10] <aloo_shu> try man gzip or man gunzip to find out
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1489 [15:32:39] <choice> I'm pretty sure it's a propriatery format.
1490 [15:33:05] <choice> Opening it in a text editor, it starts with 'ANDROID BACKUP'
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1492 [15:33:13] <choice> I don't think that's a valid gzip file.
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1496 [15:34:29] <shtrb> dd if=mybackup.ab bs=24 skip=1 | openssl zlib -d > mybackup.tar try
1497 [15:34:54] <choice> I give it a 0% chance, but ok...
1498 [15:34:59] <aloo_shu> there is a package that runs on top of adb, dalvik debug monitor
1499 [15:36:14] <shtrb> choice, so ?
1500 [15:36:14] <choice> shtrb: openssl:Error: 'zlib' is an invalid command.
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1508 [15:40:24] <choice> I think I give up on this.
1509 [15:41:47] <`whoami`> Hello, I regularily lose my network connectivity (wireless AND wired ones), and can't find the reason. Not much info in /var/log/syslog ; /var/log/messages nor /var/log/debug (actually, no info at all, except from "perf: interrupt took too long (2504 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate" ; but i've read those messages were nothing to worry about..
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1511 [15:44:47] <`whoami`> any hint about where to look at would be hihgly appreciated
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1514 [15:45:48] <`whoami`> and my other computer doesn't lose it's connectivity, so it's probably not a router issue
1515 [15:45:50] <iflema> loosing connection or loosing DNS?
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1517 [15:45:55] <`whoami`> iflema: connection
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1519 [15:46:15] <iflema> `whoami`: how do you tell?
1520 [15:46:38] <`whoami`> like, i'm ssh'ed into that computer right now, and suddenly i'm unable to type anymore (it kinda freezes), and comes back after a short (well, several seconds) moment
1521 [15:47:16] <`whoami`> also, i'm connected to other irc networks, and i see my ping rate growing
1522 [15:47:19] <nyov> (nitpick: it's losing; from lost, not from loose)
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1524 [15:47:43] <`whoami`> ah, losing, ok.
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1526 [15:48:30] <iflema> luhzing
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1529 [15:49:57] <`whoami`> at first i thought it was because of sh*tty CPL (that's how I use my wired connection), but it happens when connected over wifi as well
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1531 [15:50:19] <`whoami`> and again: other computers on the network don't seem to be affected (well, the one i currently uses works just fine)
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1534 [15:52:28] <nyov> most NICs I know would at least log some kind of "connection established" for a wired card in dmesg
1535 [15:52:32] <choice> /quit
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1538 [15:53:36] <nyov> so you should see _some_ noise in the logs. similar for wifi I think. at least nm was rather verbose as I recall
1539 [15:53:40] <`whoami`> it happened like one or two minutes ago, but nothing in the logs
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1542 [15:54:13] <`whoami`> the last message from /var/log/debug is "Oct 21 15:18:48 mediacenter kernel: [ 8.803157] ieee80211 phy1: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht'"
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1545 [15:56:37] <`whoami`> it doesn't last long, only like ... 30-45 secs, but it's enough to drive me insane :p
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1645 [16:53:43] <ballin> what is the recommended way to automatically update debian? I'm on 9.5 as a desktop user. in other distros there is an occasional popup prompting the user to update. I am especially concerned about security updates. I see this is an option. replaced-url
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1649 [17:01:20] <Thedarkb-M90> Checking for zlib.h (zlib1g-dev)... found but does not link, please install it or set PKG_CONFIG_PATH right!
1650 [17:01:20] <Thedarkb-M90> To see the failed commands, set DEPENDENCIES_CHECK=verbose
1651 [17:01:25] <Thedarkb-M90> What do I need to install?
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1655 [17:02:56] <n4dir> ballin: i think unattended upgrades are slightly different. For example the package "pk-update-icon" seems to do what you want. gnome and kde are said to have such try-icons per default.
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1658 [17:03:43] <n4dir> i for one simply run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade regularly.
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1676 [17:14:12] <ballin> is there a rule of thumb about what gets updated in stable and what does not ? for example, firefox ESR got updated from 52.x to 60.x I believe.
1677 [17:15:59] <n4dir> as a rule of thumb i wouldn't expect much to be updated. stable pretty much stays as is ( besides security, but no higher versions or features and sure no additional applications)
1678 [17:16:14] <n4dir> it is not put in proper terms, but around the lines of that.
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1680 [17:19:25] <ballin> i'm guessing mozilla stopped supporting 52.x and that prompted the update in stable
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1682 [17:20:46] <apollo13> I think pretty much all distros nowadays update firefox/chrome ESR even n LTS releases
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1685 [17:21:11] <apollo13> the probably also forbid dependencies onto those browsers because updates would most likely break that
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1716 [17:38:09] <Fenwick17> Switched over to XFCE recently, and ran `sudo apt-get remove kde-plasma-desktop` to remove previous DE. However, that left over the majority of the KDE applications. Is there an efficient way to remove them?
1717 [17:38:52] <BCMM> Fenwick17: autoremove
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1720 [17:39:40] <Fenwick17> BCCM: That worked a treat, I tried that before but it said nothing to remove. However, since rebooting it appears the packages are now listed
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1722 [17:40:13] <BCMM> Fenwick17: reboot shouldn't have changed that...
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1724 [17:41:25] <Fenwick17> BCMM: autoremove appears to have got rid of 94 packages, however they still show up in my whisker menu list, or some of them like "KDE Connect Settings" for example
1725 [17:41:45] <BCMM> i'm not sure what a whisker menu is
1726 [17:41:55] <Fenwick17> Application menu for XFCE
1727 [17:42:09] <Fenwick17> So I can still run a number of KDE applications
1728 [17:42:23] <Barones> Hi, I'm having a pretty bad time trying to install nvidia optimus + bumblebee on my system. I'm using debian 9.5, kern 4.9.0-8 and following debian wiki to install nvidia drivers. Here is some info about system and packages, replaced-url
1729 [17:42:46] <BCMM> Fenwick17: what happened before is that you removed just the metapackage. kde-plasma-desktop doesn't actually install any files; it's sole purpose is to depend on other packages.
1730 [17:43:20] <BCMM> Fenwick17: uninstalling the metapackage doesn't do anything, on it's own, but when you later do autoremove, apt will notice that the stuff it used to depend on now has no reason to be installed
1731 [17:43:43] <BCMM> if you have any kde packages you *did* explicitely install, as opposed to get just because of the metapackage, autoremove will have left those in
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1733 [17:44:32] <Fenwick17> BCMM: That makes sense, bit odd that a lot of the applications are still there after running autoremove
1734 [17:45:27] <BCMM> Fenwick17: still installed, or just still showing on a launcher?
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1736 [17:45:40] <BCMM> on some DEs you will need to log in again for the application launcher to update
1737 [17:45:58] <Fenwick17> BCMM: I will logout and back in again to test that, as currently I can still run them
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1739 [17:46:15] <BCMM> Fenwick17: do you want to get rid of *all* kde applications?
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1742 [17:47:20] <fenwick17_> BCMM: Logged out and back in, applications are still showing and can still run them
1743 [17:47:36] <BCMM> fenwick17_: if you want to get rid of all kde applications, you could try removing libkf5guiaddons5
1744 [17:47:54] <BCMM> which i *think* any GUI kf5 application should depend on
1745 [17:48:39] <fenwick17_> BCMM: That would cause 147 removals, and it seems a lot of that is KDE related stuff
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1766 [17:59:26] <d3c0> !hi
1767 [17:59:26] <dpkg> hello, d3c0
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1769 [18:00:10] <d3c0> how I configure proxy manually ?
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1785 [18:11:02] <at0m> d3c0: client? server? what proxy where?
1786 [18:11:26] <d3c0> I need config proxy to update from the repos
1787 [18:12:51] <at0m> d3c0: add to /etc/apt/apt.conf or a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ : Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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1791 [18:14:07] <aloo_shu> unless he's talking about mirrors as 'proxy'
1792 [18:14:29] <at0m> we'll soon find out
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1794 [18:18:57] <d3c0> atOm, thank you is working
1795 [18:19:06] <at0m> d3c0: you're welcome
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1854 [18:58:01] <Pongo1> All
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1892 [19:17:56] <guesOo> hi, yesterday I had a problem, where I could only create files on an ntfs partition, when I delete one file. I think the problem has something to do with MFT.
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1894 [19:18:45] <guesOo> does someone know how I can find out how much free entries there are in my MAT?
1895 [19:18:50] <guesOo> *MFT
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1898 [19:19:39] <guesOo> ntfs-3g tells me: No free mft record for $MFT
1899 [19:20:22] <guesOo> I thought the mft is dynamic.
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1904 [19:21:13] <guesOo> meaning, if there is free space, new entries can be created
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1924 [19:35:28] <JordiGH> I'm trying to remember what kind of modern thing there was instead of iptables.
1925 [19:35:49] <JordiGH> Maybe it's still iptables but now it's managed by systemd instead of some other thing?
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1927 [19:36:19] <SwedeMike> JordiGH: replaced-url
1928 [19:37:17] <JordiGH> Thanks, that's it!
1929 [19:37:32] <annadane> yeah nftables. supposedly there's an iptables compatibility layer so the old syntax still works
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1940 [19:43:01] <JordiGH> Man, nftables aren't mentioned at all in replaced-url
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1993 [20:18:14] <choice> I'm trying to make a backup of my Android phone to my Debian laptop. In a readable way. 'adb backup -all -f backup.ab' seems to create a backup. But it is encrypted and so far I did not manage to decrypt it. Did anybody ever do this successfully? Making a readable backup of an Android phone?
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2003 [20:27:46] <nyov> choice: think lower level. backup partitions, those will be mountable in linux
2004 [20:28:17] <choice> nyov: How can one do that?
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2006 [20:29:10] <nyov> I don't remember that tool... let me check
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2016 [20:33:30] <nyov> choice: phew, been a while. replaced-url
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2019 [20:34:02] <choice> nyov: Thanks. Let me take a look ...
2020 [20:34:11] <nyov> choice: not sure if that is still usable with modern? androids
2021 [20:34:32] <nyov> replaced-url
2022 [20:35:56] <choice> nyov: Nandroid needs a rooted phone.
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2025 [20:36:53] <nyov> uh, I guess. but how else do you get at *all* the data?
2026 [20:37:10] <dominik> Hi, after upgrading my Debian box, the /etc/init.d/networking script fails and times out on boot up
2027 [20:37:12] <nyov> for me backup == restore everything
2028 [20:37:23] <choice> nyov: Well, I only want data like the sms messages and contacts.
2029 [20:37:35] <choice> I think those are in fact the only pieces of data I need.
2030 [20:37:38] <nyov> then adb pull
2031 [20:37:41] <dominik> however, once logged in, I can run the /sbin/ifup -a --read-environment and it finds my wifi network
2032 [20:37:49] <choice> nyov: Pull what?
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2034 [20:38:02] <nyov> whatever you want to backup. why ask me?
2035 [20:38:07] <dominik> so I'm wondering why this very same command cannot be run during startup by systemctl
2036 [20:38:16] <dominik> does anyone know why?
2037 [20:38:21] <choice> nyov: Well, I guess 'adb pull sms-messages' would not work.
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2043 [20:40:43] <choice> My conclusion is that it is not possible to get the text messages from a non-rooted phone.
2044 [20:40:59] <choice> Google wants to tightly hold your data in their grip.
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2046 [20:41:45] <dominik> moreover, changing some settings in /etc/default/networking doesn't have an effect on the networking init script run during startup.
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2049 [20:42:10] <dominik> (e.g., I tried to set the verbosity to yes, but it isn't taken into account when rebooting...)
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2051 [20:42:29] <dominik> so I suspect there is something messed up with my startup scripts, etc.
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2054 [20:47:39] <annadane> dominik, by upgrade you mean jessie -> stretch or just a smaller upgrade?
2055 [20:48:01] <annadane> basically what i'm getting at is "what got upgraded"
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2058 [20:50:40] <choice> How do I tell find to only list files that I can read?
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2060 [20:50:48] <annadane> dominix, i guess you can also post the script to paste.debian.net and we can look at it
2061 [20:50:52] <annadane> er
2062 [20:51:08] <annadane> did they leave, or name change
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2079 [20:58:52] <JordiGH> How do you feel about Mono? Is it a security risk? An attack surface?
2080 [20:59:11] <apollo13> isn't literally everything an attack surface?
2081 [20:59:31] <JordiGH> That's what I think.
2082 [20:59:41] <JordiGH> I'm reading something that says, "don't install Mono".
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2084 [20:59:43] <apollo13> so isn't that question in itself rather rhetoric?
2085 [20:59:44] <JordiGH> I'm like, c'mon.
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2091 [21:01:27] <at0m> apollo13: there's a difference in size of attack surface between, say, wp and ssh
2092 [21:01:41] <BCMM> wp as in wordpress?
2093 [21:01:46] <at0m> yes
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2095 [21:01:59] <apollo13> at0m: sure, but we are talking about a programming language here
2096 [21:02:01] <apollo13> also libssh ;)
2097 [21:02:14] <at0m> CMS is always a big risk, libssh ;p is not
2098 [21:02:48] <JordiGH> Are they attack vectors or attack surfaces?
2099 [21:02:50] <at0m> apollo13: i was referring to the ssh server, not the lib so
2100 [21:02:53] <JordiGH> What's the dimensionality of the attack manifold?
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2103 [21:03:01] <apollo13> at0m: hence ";)"
2104 [21:03:44] <nyov> lol JordiGH
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2110 [21:08:39] <nyov> also "mono" isn't a thing. you can install mono libs as needed (at least when using debian pkgs), so the surface will vary depending on the installed software
2111 [21:09:12] <JordiGH> Well, they all require the mono-runtime package.
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2140 [21:19:11] <NetTerminalGene> i heard firefox sends some telemetry even if you disable it. is it same with firefox esr?
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2143 [21:19:56] <nyov> %) why would it be different? ESR=Extended Support Release
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2148 [21:21:02] <NetTerminalGene> nyov, maybe debian maintainer disable it
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2152 [21:21:59] <nyov> NetTerminalGene: maybe. but then you should ask about the debian package specifically. ESR releases are a mozilla thing
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2155 [21:22:22] <nyov> (and I don't know the answer to your question)
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2157 [21:23:12] <annadane> esr 60 has pocket and afaik mozilla doesn't heavily modify firefox so whatever your feelings on pocket are it *probably* also applies to esr in debian
2158 [21:23:28] <annadane> which can be disabled fyi
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2163 [21:26:46] <annadane> sorry i meant debian doesn't heavily modify it
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2195 [21:43:58] <dominik> Hi, does anyone know why during startup the networking.service script times out, but when I run it afterwards with `sudo systemctl start networking.service` it works perfectly fine?
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2202 [21:48:25] <dominik> in particular, I observe the following:
2203 [21:48:27] <dominik> replaced-url
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2205 [21:48:52] <dominik> and I don't know why it fails during boot, while it works afterwards...
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2207 [21:49:08] <dominik> if anyone has a clue about it, I'd be more than happy to learn what is happening here
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2232 [22:06:01] <JordiGH> dominik: Find anything in the systemd logs?
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2237 [22:08:51] <dominik> JordiGH: let me check
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2246 [22:17:23] <dominik> JordiGH: According to journalctl -xe, the networking.service script in fact times out during boot.
2247 [22:18:20] <dominik> and even giving it 5 minutes to complete, isn't enough during boot time. However, when I then run systemctl start networking.service once fully booted, it takes only 10 seconds to complete.
2248 [22:19:00] <JordiGH> It doesn't say at which step? :-/
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2252 [22:22:27] <Ameisen> How the heck do I stop Debian from automatically 'timing out' and sleeping after inactivity... it's not inactive
2253 [22:22:36] <Ameisen> I'm building some packages, so I'm just not directly using it
2254 [22:22:48] <Ameisen> but it is going to sleep, and then the building pauses
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2258 [22:23:59] <dominik> JordiGH: unfortunately, not. I'll reboot to see if I can get some more updated logs.
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2261 [22:24:14] <m_g_lewis> Ameisen: Somewhere in your menus there should be an application that controls power management...where depends upon your window manager...
2262 [22:24:33] <Ameisen> using gdm3+gnome+wayland atm
2263 [22:24:38] <dominik> JordiGH: thanks for your help!
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2272 [22:26:01] <antto> Ameisen check maybe in your screensaver also
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2282 [22:30:01] <m_g_lewis> Ameisen: I'm using LXDE so I'm not sure...mine is under XFCE Power manager...
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2285 [22:32:33] <PaddyF> did with time travel to the 90s or why do my ssh connections drop when inactive for a few minutes?
2286 [22:32:41] <PaddyF> the default is 120 minutes, right?
2287 [22:33:03] <PaddyF> s/did with/did we/
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2292 [22:36:13] <PaddyF> ping times are strange. i have no lag according to irssi but a self ping takes 4 seconds
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2303 [22:39:33] <at0m> PaddyF: /set lag_min_show
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2305 [22:39:55] <at0m> defaults to 3s afaik
2306 [22:40:11] <NetTerminalGene> how can i learn how much package my debian has?
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2308 [22:40:26] <NetTerminalGene> how much package installed
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2310 [22:40:45] <at0m> NetTerminalGene: one way is dpkg --get-selections | wc -l
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2312 [22:41:12] <NetTerminalGene> at0m, thanks
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2318 [22:48:32] <leachim6> sorry,
2319 [22:48:34] <leachim6> I lied
2320 [22:48:38] <leachim6> it was $2.96
2321 [22:48:50] <leachim6> replaced-url
2322 [22:49:25] <leachim6> whoops, wrong channel heh, sorry
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2376 [23:22:51] <Ameisen> Well, made the mistake of running apt-build on libreoffice
2377 [23:22:56] * Ameisen waits forever
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2388 [23:27:47] <kts> xfce screen brightness reset to 100 every reboot.
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