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• 79[01:02:56] <wr> what package can use on debian for free rdp?
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• 82[01:03:46] <BCMM> wr: client or server?
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• 89[01:06:45] <wr> BCMM, guess both, want to remote desktop to debian with GUI
• 90[01:07:24] <BCMM> wr: if you're shopping for both ends, why do you specifically want to use rdp?
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• 92[01:07:59] <wr> BCMM, its what i know, any other?
• 93[01:08:20] <BCMM> wr: vnc is certainly *the* popular, cross-platform protocol
• 94[01:08:45] <BCMM> and is also really easy to set up
• 95[01:09:08] <wr> BCMM, need something would work across reboots
• 96[01:09:23] <BCMM> wr: what do you mean by that?
• 97[01:09:39] <BCMM> when you reboot the computer, all of your running programs will be killed
• 98[01:10:05] <BCMM> you can not restart the remote computer, log in with ANY remote desktop system, and find your session still running
• 99[01:10:38] <wr> BCMM, if i reboot machine still connect and if pc is on wanna be able to enter that session
• 100[01:11:00] <BCMM> wr: ah, you want the server to start on boot up?
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• 102[01:11:25] <wr> BCMM, just like always
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• 104[01:11:38] <BCMM> that made things less clear, to be honest
• 105[01:12:32] <wr> BCMM, if pc is on wanna be able to connect, this is it
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• 108[01:14:16] <BCMM> wr: ok. do you want to use a regular X session, i.e. what you see remotely is also what you see on the machine's "real" monitor, or do you want a dedicated remote desktop, separate from whatever is on the local display?
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• 111[01:19:29] <wr> BCMM, wanna see just like i eas in front pc
• 112[01:19:59] <BCMM> right, but do you *also* want to be able to see it if you actually sit in front of the machine?
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• 115[01:21:02] <BCMM> there are two approaches here:
• 116[01:21:19] <wr> BCMM probably not, by tbe way have xfce
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• 120[01:22:33] <wr> BCMM, if am at home may sometimes wanna see both, on street no
• 121[01:22:52] <BCMM> 1) a session that can only be accessed remotely. you have to log in with a remote desktop client in order to see it. this is suitable for a headless machine, or even a machine where somebody else is logged on locally with a totally separate session.
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• 124[01:24:28] <BCMM> 2) you can also set it up so your normal desktop session is shared as a remote desktop. this is useful if you might start a session locally and then go somewhere else and use it remotely. the local screen shows the same session that you see in the remote desktop software. if somebody is sitting in your chair while you use it remotely, they'll see the cursor moving around the screen on its own and all that
• 125[01:24:37] <BCMM> i hope i have now been excessively clear...
• 126[01:24:46] <wr> BCMM, by what i understand this doesn‘t do sharing according to setup
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• 128[01:25:19] <BCMM> it looks like i've failed to make myself clear, and i don't think i'm going to be able to do any better. sorry.
• 129[01:26:20] <wr> BCMM, what happens is, many times am working on pc and have to leave lock screen abd then i need to remote access
• 130[01:26:43] <BCMM> ah, i see. so you want something that provides access to the already-running local session.
• 131[01:26:50] <wr> *and
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• 135[01:27:36] <wr> BCMM, i guess is more option 2
• 136[01:27:52] <somiaj> I just use ssh and tmux, but I rarely need access to the graphical tools running, just my shells.
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• 138[01:28:23] <BCMM> wr: the easiest way to do this would be to install x11vnc, and configure it to autostart when you log in
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• 140[01:28:46] <BCMM> wr: i don't use xfce, but i'm sure it has some kind of autostart system
• 141[01:28:56] <wr> BCMM, or ssh+rdp no?
• 142[01:29:31] <BCMM> rdp will be a bit more complicated
• 143[01:29:38] <BCMM> by which i mean i don't actually know how to get it working
• 144[01:29:57] <BCMM> linux *can* be an rdp server, but it's less well-supported than vnc
• 145[01:30:31] <BCMM> linux is more often used as an rdp client, because it is sometimes convenient to use the rdp server built in to windows
• 146[01:30:46] <wr> BCMM, have tried vnc but had troubles on setting up
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• 148[01:31:06] <BCMM> wr: you literally just need to run the command `x11vnc`
• 149[01:31:19] <BCMM> and then connect with any decent VNC client
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• 151[01:32:27] <wr> BCMM, ok
• 152[01:32:41] <BCMM> (important: this is ok on a friendly network, but if your computer is exposed directly to the internet, you want to give x11vnc some parameters. if you start it with no parameters, there will be no authentication.)
• 153[01:33:33] <wr> BCMM, yes i need that, what parameters put
• 154[01:33:51] <BCMM> i don't know, i always use it on a trusted network. it has a man page, though
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• 156[01:37:15] <wr> BCMM, will test this
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• 221[02:23:40] <acidtripper> any experienced in gpm?
• 222[02:23:53] <acidtripper> does somebody there know howto make gpm (general purpose mouse) to click on tty's?
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• 228[02:30:55] <eamanu> No =(
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• 248[02:43:30] <booyah> acidtripper: "click on tty" ??
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• 250[02:43:47] <booyah> you want to from software simulate mouse clocks in tty?
• 251[02:44:24] <acidtripper> click
• 252[02:44:25] <acidtripper> yes
• 253[02:44:32] <acidtripper> i cant make gpm click on ttys
• 254[02:44:37] <acidtripper> i mean using links broser
• 255[02:44:39] <acidtripper> click
• 256[02:44:40] <acidtripper> or mc
• 257[02:44:44] <acidtripper> mcedit click on the menus
• 258[02:44:47] <acidtripper> time ago could
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• 261[02:45:16] <acidtripper> haha booyah kicked me for flood :/
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• 263[02:46:48] <booyah> acidtripper: uhh just press the mouse button?
• 264[02:47:11] <booyah> Debian fucked up mouse in vim, and you need a setting to disable that. but probably not mc
• 265[02:47:24] <acidtripper> yes
• 266[02:47:29] <acidtripper> that way
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• 289[03:01:48] <mason> booyah: set mouse="" I think, in .vimrc
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• 304[03:19:29] <agio> I don't think debian changes any mouse settings?
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• 311[03:23:25] <mason> vim does
• 312[03:24:42] <agio> you mean defaults.vim ?
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• 328[03:32:06] <RoyK> agio: in .vimrc or /etc/vim/vimrc.local
• 329[03:32:34] <agio> I dont think debian changes either
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• 331[03:33:00] <RoyK> the "set mouse" is may be a bug
• 332[03:33:05] <RoyK> if you :set mouse=
• 333[03:33:23] <RoyK> in vim, it works, but I haven't made it work in the rc files
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• 335[03:34:02] <RoyK> but I haven't tried setting it to ""
• 336[03:34:14] <ryouma> i am running jessie. is firefox's file selection dialog box configurable to allow pasting a full path name instead of drililng down the hierarchy? when i attach a file in gmail html mode, it pops up this box.
• 337[03:34:23] <RoyK> perhaps one to try next time I come across a machine with mouse mapping in vim
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• 339[03:34:29] <agio> I thnk /etc/vim/vimrc.local doesn't do anything really other than call into /usr/share/vim/vimX/debian.vim - thats where debian sets stuff, but dont think they touch :set mouse?
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• 341[03:35:06] <ryouma> nm, i found it
• 342[03:35:09] <RoyK> agio: /etc/vim/vimrc calls /etc/vim/vimrc.local at the end
• 343[03:35:22] <agio> RoyK: yes you are right
• 344[03:35:45] <agio> ryouma: did you try file:///path/to/file in address bar?
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• 346[03:36:39] <RoyK> agio: (s)he said (s)he found it
• 347[03:37:53] <ryouma> agio: it's a dialog box, so no address bar. but there is a choice to create one.
• 348[03:38:56] <agio> what is the purpose of the /etc/defaults folder? what does it do that the regular /etc folder doesn't? is it so packages can copy their config files from?
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• 355[03:43:30] <RoyK> agio: quite a few packages store their configs there
• 356[03:43:53] <agio> but why? its a non-standard location?
• 357[03:44:04] <RoyK> agio: it's about the parameters used to start the daemons or whatever
• 358[03:44:12] <agio> seems like packages copy their configs from there?
• 359[03:44:24] <RoyK> agio: I don't care - it's been there for years so it'll probably be there for some time
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• 362[03:46:29] <RoyK> agio: I guess the defaults folder is just the default startup arguments for services, those that have to be passed to them and can't be set in config files
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• 365[03:47:25] <agio> looks like they take the form of shell vars too?
• 366[03:47:58] <RoyK> agio: yes, they generally do - is this a problem?
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• 368[03:48:52] <Guest5229> hi there
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• 374[03:49:54] <cybercrypto> :-)
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• 378[03:53:54] <lazerlemon> today I ran down a nigger in my car, it was a good feeling, they glow in the dark
• 379[03:54:14] <lazerlemon> it was a big zulu fucker
• 380[03:54:42] <lazerlemon> then we became best friends, got high off of gas and touched dicks
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• 384[03:55:57] <lazerlemon> in 1976 I pushed a feminist into a horses ass
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• 388[03:58:33] <lazerlemon> I fuck bowling pins
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• 391[04:03:34] <lazerlemon> anyone here
• 392[04:04:09] <awal1> !ops lazerlemon spamming
• 393[04:04:09] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: awal1 complains about a problem (see above)
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• 396[04:04:46] <lazerlemon> !ops lazerlemon is awesome
• 397[04:04:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: lazerlemon complains about a problem (see above)
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• 400[04:05:00] <lazerlemon> IM IMERVIOUS TO KICK/BAN/QUIETS
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• 410[04:12:56] <karlpinc> agio: There is no standard way to startup daemons, just as there's no standard way to configure network interfaces. Systemd has now put itself forward as the standard, but not only are there still plenty of sharp corners in systemd but repackaging everything to start daemons differently is not something that happens instantly.
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• 413[04:14:14] <agio> karlpinc: so are you saying the purpose of the /etc/defaults directory is to store startup configs for daemons?
• 414[04:14:57] <agio> or at least for those daemons which choose to follow that convention?
• 415[04:16:15] <mason> agio: Not just daemons. Also things like grub, one-shot keyboard set-up, etc.
• 416[04:16:40] <mason> agio: And it's hard to imagine that config going away, as that's a long tradition in Debian.
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• 418[04:17:09] <agio> but how is /etc/defaults differ to regular /etc ?
• 419[04:17:20] <agio> according to debian practices?
• 420[04:18:09] <mason> I'm not sure really. It's not described in hier(7).
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• 451[04:42:14] <maxrazer> Does anyone know of some good limited handbook for Debian that tells how to do many basic user things?
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• 454[04:45:12] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 455[04:45:42] <tomreyn> maxrazer: ^
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• 458[04:47:11] <ryouma> agio: /etc/grub has boot entries and stuff. /etc/default/grub has settings for grub. which isn't an answer.
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• 462[04:49:18] <maxrazer> tomreyn, Thanks, I'll take a look at that. It may be more what I'm looking for.
• 463[04:51:04] <maxrazer> I think it actually has way more than I want and not the things I want. I would expect a manual to have the things a user would commonly do, including additional programs to install. Tar/zip other things.
• 464[04:52:21] <maxrazer> I was thinking of making such a guide. Including mounting usb flash, formatting. user stuff.
• 465[04:52:46] <maxrazer> Maybe setting default sound card. All the things I run into.
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• 467[04:55:21] <tomreyn> the guide i pointed to is mostly a CLI guide / system administration reference. originally debian was primarily a server OS, and there are different desktop environments to choose from so amking a single guide wont work.
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• 469[04:56:03] <tomreyn> in case you're using gnome, replaced-url
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• 471[04:56:29] <awal1> dpkg: debian handbook
• 472[04:56:29] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
• 473[04:56:38] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 474[04:56:39] <maxrazer> I'm using DWM for my window manager.
• 475[04:56:56] <awal1> maxrazer debian handbook ?
• 476[04:56:59] <n4dir> all the things he mentioned can be done from the commandline, of course. And imho: should be done from there ...
• 477[04:57:24] <maxrazer> Yes, I want basic user commands you need to get around and use the internet and a guide for debian. I may create it.
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• 479[04:57:44] <n4dir> in general a good idea, maxrazer. Well: of course :-)
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• 481[04:58:16] <n4dir> wiki.debian.org sometimes is not what call perfect (for quite some subjects it is though ...)
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• 483[04:58:27] <maxrazer> tar xvf, unzip, lsblk, mount, unmount, fdisk or whatever is used to format a flash drive etc etc.
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• 487[04:58:39] <n4dir> maxrazer: look at forums.debian.net -> beginners guide or such. kelsoo and i gave it a shot, back in the days
• 488[04:58:43] <maxrazer> Set default sound card using only ALSA.
• 489[04:58:52] <n4dir> don't think it covers what you mentioned though
• 490[04:59:00] <ryouma> maxrazer: waht specifically do you awnt to do first? shell stuff?
• 491[04:59:46] <tomreyn> "Tar/zip other things" replaced-url
• 492[04:59:49] <ryouma> nm i see what you want
• 493[05:00:04] <maxrazer> I need to lookup formatting a usb flash drive, never done that before. I just feel like all these things I need to do should be in one place. A common user needs to be able to unzip a zip file or tar.gz from the internet. Many such examples.
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• 495[05:00:44] <maxrazer> But, something a person can familiarize themselves with and not have all the other very technical administration stuff unlikely to use. I might create a list and put it together myself.
• 496[05:00:53] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 498[05:01:54] <ryouma> maxrazer: general linux stuff, try to find an intro. advanced, try arch wiki. debian specific, the various handbooks and guides are pretty good and have some general ti9ps too.
• 499[05:02:11] <maxrazer> thanks, I'll bookmark that it may come in handy. I do want to lookup some shell scripting at some point too.
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• 502[05:02:39] <maxrazer> Yeah, a general Linux intro would probably work.
• 503[05:02:43] <ryouma> maxrazer: there are good scripting guides i think. advice: avoid the bash manual.
• 504[05:02:43] <n4dir> maxrazer: for shellscripting (seriously): use mywiki.wooledge.org. The web is full of crap
• 505[05:03:10] <maxrazer> I'm not exactly sure what I want to use the scripting for, but maybe for setting up the system and installing stuff after initial install.
• 506[05:03:24] <ryouma> yeah you want basic bash plus basic utilities
• 507[05:03:32] <n4dir> wooledge.org, and make sure to doublecheck everything in #bash
• 508[05:03:36] <maxrazer> I also want to create a guide for getting the system installed and upgraded to Unstable and also installing and configuring DWM.
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• 510[05:04:31] <ryouma> you might want to stick with stable at first
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• 512[05:04:54] <maxrazer> I used stable for a while. I don't think it is necessary.
• 513[05:04:54] <n4dir> like in : edit sources list, do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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• 516[05:05:27] <maxrazer> Yeah, and apt is kind of confusing because the man entry didn't have all the commands listed that apt-get has.
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• 518[05:05:50] <ryouma> maxrazer: ok, just thught it strange that you were asking some good basic questions and then wanted undstable. sometimes to fix things you need basic stuff.
• 519[05:05:54] <maxrazer> Other exmaples, people need to know about gdebi, and also where software installs and add to path or some solution so they can run it from a working directory.
• 520[05:06:26] <maxrazer> It is about what do I think a user needs to know and doesn't need to know and putting that all together.
• 521[05:06:30] <n4dir> if you cover all that, or even a part of it, you again will have a huge site which loads of info many don't care for.
• 522[05:06:42] <ryouma> maxrazer: got it
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• 524[05:06:54] <n4dir> i think going for wiki.debian.org and contributing there is the better option. I see your point, of course.
• 525[05:07:09] <n4dir> fun for sure.
• 526[05:07:31] <ryouma> if debian wiki becomes as good as arch wiki, you're doing a great job :)
• 527[05:07:48] * ryouma loyal debian user
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• 529[05:08:34] <n4dir> the mentioned handbook is very good though.
• 530[05:09:07] <maxrazer> So, if I go to wiki.debian.org and type "gdebi" it says returned no results. Don't you need gdebi if you just get a package from somewhere?
• 531[05:09:29] <n4dir> -- dpkg -i ***.deb
• 532[05:09:49] <n4dir> gdebi being sligthly more comfortable, of course
• 533[05:10:10] <maxrazer> Yeah, but dpkg is backend and no dependancies so can fail. I know you can use apt install ./file name
• 534[05:10:47] <maxrazer> I installed something with gdebi and couldn't run it because /opt/program/bin wasn't in my path.
• 535[05:10:47] <n4dir> but in general: don't install third party stuff (either add repos or install random *deb). Look at simple-sid-backport instead. -> /dpkg msg ssb
• 536[05:10:48] <ryouma> so why is apt-get insufficient for local packages?
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• 538[05:11:42] <maxrazer> n4dir, I know about the don't install third party stuff, but I can't decide on that. So, just get the source and build a non-package binary?
• 539[05:11:43] <n4dir> follow command to install dependencies: apt-get install -f ; iirc as said i hardly ever install third party and am not much in backporting either
• 540[05:12:23] <maxrazer> And then there are statically linked binaries which often work, but are pretty rare.
• 541[05:12:25] <n4dir> maxrazer: the usual recommendation is to create a backport yourself. /msg dpkg ssb will tell you how
• 542[05:12:56] <maxrazer> create a backport? Would that apply to debian unstable? So, create my own package from the source basically?
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• 544[05:13:18] <n4dir> you run stable, you add sid sources entry in sources.list. You backport from sid for stable
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• 546[05:13:46] <maxrazer> Yeah, I'm not sure about that approach. I think sid may be fine.
• 547[05:14:44] <maxrazer> Also, from now on its called Blinux, with a "b"
• 548[05:15:04] <maxrazer> Just wanted to let you guys know.
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• 550[05:18:22] <maxrazer> Creating .deb packages takes a while I think. Maybe there is a good tool to do it from source. I tried making my own package with a basic C program with a printf and I still couldn't get the package perfect.
• 551[05:19:23] <n4dir> as far i can tell: if you backport from sid, then you already got the debian/ folder and all the entries inside of the downloaded source code
• 552[05:19:33] <n4dir> so most of the work is already done.
• 553[05:19:57] <n4dir> go to forums.debian.net and look at "how to build a package the smart way" or similar. Its a good thread.
• 554[05:21:02] <n4dir> also lots of good entries about that subject at wiki.debian.org. For a noob like me the one created by the debian-women is the best ...
• 555[05:21:47] <maxrazer> I'm finding some threads called that, but they don't seem right.
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• 558[05:24:19] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 560[05:25:07] <n4dir> the debian wiki: replaced-url
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• 566[05:30:15] <maxrazer> n4dir, Ok, got it bookmarked thanks.
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• 568[05:31:46] <maxrazer> Can you uninstall applications with apt that were installed with gdebi?
• 569[05:31:50] <n4dir> no problem. I only give some info i ran into during the years
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• 571[05:32:01] <n4dir> yes, you can easily uninstall them.
• 572[05:32:08] <n4dir> like usual
• 573[05:32:20] <maxrazer> Ok, you wouldn't uninstall with gdebi because that has to specify a local package.
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• 576[05:32:38] <maxrazer> But if you install with dpkg you can't uninstall with apt, right?
• 577[05:32:59] <n4dir> yup. not that clear how to put it in words. A try: as dpkg knows now about them, you just do it with apt-get, aptitude, now apt. What you have
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• 581[05:35:07] <n4dir> i think of apt-get, aptitude, apt as backends for dpkg. Might well be i am wrong there. Manpages probably know.
• 582[05:35:09] <maxrazer> Hmm. Actually I think you can. I think it was something about never use make install.
• 583[05:35:29] <maxrazer> The apt man page is missing a lot of apt-get arguments.
• 584[05:35:31] <Unit193> n4dir: Other way around, apt/apt-get, aptitude are the frontends.
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• 586[05:35:43] <n4dir> Unit193: thanks :-)
• 587[05:36:01] <maxrazer> And apt is sort of even more of a front end for apt-get and apt-cache
• 588[05:36:19] <Unit193> Also, yes if you dpkg -i somedeb.deb, you can apt-get purge package too, but I'd say you should apt install ./somedeb.deb as it takes care of deps too.
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• 590[05:36:38] <maxrazer> I've done apt install ./somedeb.deb before.
• 591[05:36:44] <Unit193> maxrazer: More user friendly perhaps, but it's more or less the same thing whereas aptitude is a different application.
• 592[05:36:56] <maxrazer> no more need for gdebi then perhaps.
• 593[05:37:08] <Unit193> It has a shiny gui...?
• 594[05:37:13] <n4dir> lol.
• 595[05:37:16] <maxrazer> gdebi never had a GUI when I used it.
• 596[05:37:24] <maxrazer> But when I look it up some guides show a GUI
• 597[05:37:42] <maxrazer> So, I don't get that.
• 598[05:38:00] <Unit193> It has both, actually.
• 599[05:38:11] <maxrazer> Well how to run the GUI?
• 600[05:38:28] <awal1> gdebi is already gui
• 601[05:38:30] <Unit193> Open a deb file with it? The binary is gdebi-gtk
• 602[05:38:31] <awal1> g=gnome
• 603[05:39:18] <awal1> i mean gdebi already contains the graphical interface
• 604[05:39:28] <maxrazer> I don't get why people say to use gdebi when apt-get works.
• 605[05:39:41] <n4dir> fun fact: i didn't know of the cli version of cli ...
• 606[05:39:43] <maxrazer> Ok, it has a GUI. I'll have to see if that helps.'
• 607[05:39:44] <Unit193> Because apt install ./file.deb is fairly new.
• 608[05:39:51] <n4dir> ups: of gdebi
• 609[05:40:02] <maxrazer> And I believe you can say apt-get install ./debfile too.
• 610[05:40:50] <maxrazer> I can't remember now, but there was an apt command I needed and it wasn't in apt man page, but it was in apt-get man page so I didn't know about it.
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• 614[05:42:52] <awal1> maxrazer, a good resume about dpkg vs apt and so
• 615[05:42:53] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 617[05:43:04] <maxrazer> Oh, I remember. It was stuff like install suggests. That wasn't listed in the apt man page.
• 618[05:44:00] <maxrazer> But, it is in the apt-get man page.
• 619[05:44:14] <jelly> a guide from 2011 would not know about /usr/bin/apt
• 620[05:44:18] <nyov> apt-get and apt are pretty much the same program now, I think? as apparently both have Super Cow Powaz now
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• 624[05:45:06] <nyov> I also didn't know about the apt-get install ./deb yet
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• 626[05:46:20] <awal1> apt wanna be a single tool combining apt-get and apt-cache , a user friendly tool
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• 628[05:46:54] <nyov> a good thing, in my opinion
• 629[05:47:02] <awal1> but it should be called other than apt. it is confusing
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• 631[05:47:23] <n4dir> assuming there will be a complete documentation too ... (well: there probably is).
• 632[05:47:37] <maxrazer> apt list exists, but not apt-cache list or apt-get list.
• 633[05:47:51] <maxrazer> I only see dpkg -l | grep packagename
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• 635[05:48:23] <awal1> it is confusing bcoz a non advised user may not now if apt (the new one) is the original apt, or the new one combining -get and -cache
• 636[05:48:33] <awal1> not know
• 637[05:49:29] <maxrazer> Also, how often do you need install recommend, or suggests, because that is not listed in apt, only apt-get
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• 639[05:50:00] <n4dir> pretty sure recommends get installed by default.
• 640[05:50:27] <n4dir> i don't remember i ever installed suggests. so lazy ... always the defaults.
• 641[05:51:03] <maxrazer> Hmm, maybe install suggests is installed by default?
• 642[05:51:15] <maxrazer> recommends is installed by default I found, since version lucid.
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• 644[05:51:24] <maxrazer> But what about recommends?
• 645[05:51:30] <maxrazer> I mean suggests
• 646[05:51:50] <awal1> well, if you do apt-get --install-suggests install something you may get at the end debian-based installed
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• 648[05:52:56] <awal1> years ago i did that installing xfce and I seriously ended with skolelinux at the end of the install
• 649[05:54:05] <awal1> well, it was more than --install-suggests, I followed an xfce tutorial in debian wiki
• 650[05:54:42] <maxrazer> For example with clementine I wanted to make sure the gstreamer plugins were installed, which are under suggests.
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• 656[06:01:08] <maxrazer> --install suggests is not listed in the apt man page for example, but it is an option.
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• 667[06:06:45] <ryouma> it feels a little strange to me to have a cli command, apt, that is intended for interactive use only, and not recommended for shell scripts, but recommended for use. i get that its interface will change and it is experimental, but it seems like there is a tradition of things being scriptable that should be honored, or something. never mind me, just being picky.
• 668[06:08:07] <wr> i don't know why but i never liked the debian-installer something about it.. i don't know...
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• 670[06:08:41] <awal1> At the end of replaced-url
• 671[06:08:51] <awal1> really a weird command
• 672[06:09:42] <wr> awal1, command seems to make sense
• 673[06:09:50] <n4dir> pretty sure $(command) is recommended over `command`
• 674[06:09:53] <awal1> that is the command I executed years ago without knowing what is means exactly and I ended havoing skolelinux distro
• 675[06:10:04] <wr> *command
• 676[06:10:19] <awal1> now I know what , it should be removed from that wiki
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• 679[06:11:37] <awal1> wr, it makes sens the command sure but it is not a good suggestion for users who just want a debian xfce desktop
• 680[06:12:14] <wr> awal1, any command that runs fine is a nice one, bash is geeky
• 681[06:13:16] <wr> awal1, there is a difference on installing xfce and all xfce packages
• 682[06:13:17] <awal1> wr, all command have sens but in that wiki tutorial context it is completely wrong and not appropriate
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• 684[06:14:06] <wr> awal1, it is correct, all packages
• 685[06:14:18] <awal1> wr, do you realize what that command does exactly?
• 686[06:14:30] <wr> yep
• 687[06:14:47] <wr> goes on cache and gets all xfce packages
• 688[06:15:07] <wr> for me make sense
• 689[06:15:17] <n4dir> if you want to install all xfce packages ; is already nonsense. install xfce, perhaps install xfce-goodies, perhaps go for tasksel
• 690[06:15:19] <wr> *makes
• 691[06:15:40] <awal1> lol, if I am a spanish spoken and I want xfce I am not sure I need task-chinese-t-desktop for example
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• 693[06:16:15] <awal1> it make sens sure, but the wiki should say something dufferent than all xfce pkgs
• 694[06:16:19] <wr> awal1, if you want xfce you do apt-get install xfce4 xfce-goodies if want all packages is maybe another story
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• 696[06:16:46] <awal1> wr, exact, xfce i just need xfce and it's goodies
• 697[06:17:11] <wr> awal1, it's written there "To install all xfce4 packages do:"
• 698[06:17:34] <n4dir> i ran more than once in such weird stuff at wiki.debian. probably someone who "wants to give back"
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• 700[06:17:41] <awal1> no all desktop tasks and all those thousands pkgs
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• 702[06:17:50] <n4dir> wr: it is written there, but it doesn't make any sense.
• 703[06:18:01] <awal1> wr, i think you dont get what i mean
• 704[06:18:02] <wr> yes it does
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• 706[06:18:12] <n4dir> perhaps if you want to learn chinese ...
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• 708[06:18:37] <wr> awal1, n4dir and it says "To install Xfce, do the following:" -> apt-get install xfce4
• 709[06:18:59] <awal1> wr, i understand what the command does exactly, it is wrong in the context where it is
• 710[06:19:08] <wr> nope
• 711[06:19:12] <awal1> just try it simulating with aptitude
• 712[06:19:12] <wr> your wrong
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• 714[06:19:23] * n4dir gives up
• 715[06:19:28] <wr> this debian is debian 1 - user 0
• 716[06:19:38] <awal1> aptitude -s install `apt-cache search xfce | cut -d ' ' -f1`
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• 718[06:20:00] <awal1> do you thinks an user who wants a complete xfce desktop will need all those pkgs?
• 719[06:20:04] <wr> thats another command, a different story
• 720[06:20:05] <n4dir> might just as well run the ` ... ` > output.txt awal1
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• 723[06:20:37] <n4dir> without the backticks, of course ...
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• 725[06:20:53] <wr> you guys need to train the bash
• 726[06:21:00] <n4dir> lol.
• 727[06:21:07] <wr> ehehehe
• 728[06:21:12] <awal1> bro, i give up
• 729[06:21:25] <awal1> you don't wanna understand my idea
• 730[06:21:41] <wr> awal1, there's no point, a apt-get install xfce is not apt-get install xfce4
• 731[06:21:42] <n4dir> 06:20 <greybot> The backquote (`) is used in the old-style command substitution, e.g. foo=`command`. The foo=$(command) syntax is
• 732[06:21:45] <n4dir> recommended instead. Backslash handling inside $() is less surprising, and $() is easier to nest. See
• 733[06:21:49] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 734[06:21:49] <n4dir> speaking of training bash
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• 736[06:22:22] <awal1> wr, i know
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• 740[06:23:45] <awal1> task-chinese is not an xfce pkg
• 741[06:24:07] <awal1> an xfce chinese user may need it yes
• 742[06:24:15] <awal1> but not a bulgarian one
• 743[06:24:17] <wr> awal1, is the wiki right?
• 744[06:24:49] <awal1> the wiki right?
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• 746[06:25:59] <awal1> the collaborator wrote the tutorial in a wrong way
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• 751[06:27:36] <awal1> in that time i was a newbie and i just followed that , I wanted to install debian wheezy (i think) but I ended with skolelinux
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• 753[06:27:57] <awal1> you think it is what an end user , a newbie wants?
• 754[06:28:08] <awal1> !skolelinux
• 755[06:28:08] <dpkg> Skolelinux is a Debian Pure <Blend> produced by the <Debian Edu> project, see replaced-url
• 756[06:28:22] <n4dir> probably it can be enhanced: "if you want to ... then do ... but you don't want that
• 757[06:29:28] <awal1> my wheezy minimal install became almost 7 go :D
• 758[06:29:45] <awal1> that is not correct wr :P
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• 761[06:31:22] <wr> awal1, true but only for you :P
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• 763[06:31:45] <wr> seems a nice debian replaced-url
• 764[06:32:22] <awal1> so happy here with my original debian; no need of devuan :P
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• 858[07:53:16] <wr> how can i disable the pc speaker beep on debian?
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• 864[07:57:27] <n4dir> modprobe -r pcspkr; or similar (if wrong, just use the web)
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• 947[08:57:45] <dka> How can I allow a group of user to mount the network drive without being root or in sudo group ? If I do with my user the mount command I have : `mount: only root can use "--options" option`
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• 1000[09:36:43] <martian67> err never mind wrong channel
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• 1036[10:00:56] <linuxconformer> guys i deleted /etc/nginx, and reinstalled, but now /etc/nginx doesn't exist
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• 1038[10:01:08] <linuxconformer> how do i install them again?
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• 1043[10:02:58] <kopper> Did you purge+install the nginx or just reinstall it?
• 1044[10:03:25] <linuxconformer> kopper: all i did sudo rm -r /etc/nginx, then apt remove nginx, then apt install nginx
• 1045[10:03:54] <kopper> Try apt purge nginx and apt install nginx
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• 1047[10:04:40] <linuxconformer> thanks man
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• 1049[10:04:56] <linuxconformer> kopper: oh that didn't work
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• 1056[10:06:37] <linuxconformer> got it
• 1057[10:07:32] <kopper> linuxconformer: Yeah you needed to purge nginx-common and nginx-full as well
• 1058[10:07:36] <kopper> Or that worked for me atleast
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• 1064[10:10:25] <turambar> hi. I'd like to know what the plan is with php and debian stretch. Stretch only comes with php 7.0 which is end of support by 3rd of December this year and Buster will release next year...
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• 1066[10:11:13] <woenx> Hi. I upgraded to debian jessie in an old laptop. Its graphics card is very old, an nvidia NV11M Geforce2 Go
• 1067[10:11:19] <turambar> So for several months there is no secure php version officially available via debian packages?
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• 1069[10:11:50] <woenx> Now the pictures doesn't take up all the screen (there are big vertical and horizontal bars). I tried installing the drivers, but they do not seem to be in the repository
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• 1071[10:12:53] <woenx> runnin nvidia-detect it says that I need legacy drivers that are no longer in the repository
• 1072[10:12:55] <woenx> what could I do?
• 1073[10:13:14] <linuxconformer> kopper: yeah that was it :P
• 1074[10:13:30] <turambar> woenx: which driver do you use? did you try nouveau? nv? do you really need the official driver?
• 1075[10:13:50] <woenx> I don't mind the driver as long as I get the correct resolution on the screen
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• 1077[10:14:13] <woenx> I'm currently installing nvidia-xconfig, to see if I can configure anything with the 340 legacy drivers
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• 1083[10:17:50] <woenx> great, now the x server doesn't start u_u'
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• 1085[10:19:12] <turambar> woenx: I would try nouveau if I was you
• 1086[10:19:37] <woenx> how can I install it?
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• 1090[10:20:20] <turambar> it's in the kernel itself :)
• 1091[10:20:48] <woenx> ah
• 1092[10:20:52] <woenx> how can I activate it then?
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• 1096[10:23:40] <woenx> grr, now I don't have a graphical interface
• 1097[10:23:43] <woenx> and no internet, great
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• 1101[10:24:44] <turambar> I didn't do it myself but usually you adjust xorg.conf accordingly in the driver section
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• 1103[10:26:18] <woenx> aha
• 1104[10:26:21] <woenx> let me reboot again...
• 1105[10:26:27] <turambar> make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed
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• 1110[10:29:59] <woenx> ok
• 1111[10:32:22] <dka> How can I mount a network samba drive as a non root user on Debian Linux?
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• 1117[10:37:57] <woenx> is it normal that the command startx doesn't exist?
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• 1122[10:39:35] <woenx> oh, I had to modprobe nouveau first
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• 1125[10:43:24] <woenx> Done! it turns out the nouveau driver was blacklisted, so it didn't start at boot
• 1126[10:43:29] <woenx> now I get the full resolution :)
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• 1128[10:43:56] <woenx> let's reboot again...
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• 1136[10:47:14] <woenx> now gdm doesn't start...
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• 1166[11:08:22] <turambar> woenx: what do the logs say?
• 1167[11:08:40] <woenx> I don't know, I had to blacklist nouveau again in order to get an X server again
• 1168[11:08:45] <woenx> otherwise, gdm didn't appear
• 1169[11:08:58] <woenx> but now the picture doesn't fill the screen
• 1170[11:09:04] <woenx> (as it happened initially)
• 1171[11:09:10] <woenx> so i'm sat the starting point again
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• 1174[11:10:58] <woenx> it's a 15 year old laptop with a 1600x1200 resolution
• 1175[11:11:05] <woenx> (which is quite good)
• 1176[11:11:32] <woenx> but I don't know how to change the current resolution...
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• 1180[11:12:28] <woenx> (now it's showing 1024x768)
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• 1184[11:14:17] <turambar> what does xrandr say? which driver are you currently using?
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• 1218[11:36:00] <linuxconformer> guys i can't kill the process created by "SCREEN -A -m -d -S some-process my-command"
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• 1220[11:36:07] <linuxconformer> should this be happening?
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• 1222[11:37:01] <Haohmaru> does it happen to be ran by a user with moar privileges than the privileges you got when you try to kill it?
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• 1236[11:45:08] <veek> how do i stop the debian mailinglist emails without unsubscribing (Xorg/mailman) has this feature
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• 1239[11:45:49] <selckin> so you can still send?
• 1240[11:45:54] <veek> yep
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• 1243[11:46:37] <veek> and not put my gmail under undue stress :p
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• 1246[11:47:18] <selckin> gmail can handle it, maybe make a filter to auto archive/delete them
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• 1249[11:49:04] <veek> seems wasteful i'll never read any of it..
• 1250[11:49:13] <veek> but with no other option.. :)
• 1251[11:49:25] <selckin> you give google enough privacy in return
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• 1254[11:53:36] <veek> is there a way to preseed CDROM from USB?
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• 1295[12:19:47] <flj> which debian 64bit x86 dvd iso version is the oldest you can download? Where do you do you download it?
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• 1300[12:21:38] <veek> i guess you could follow the hashes.. one sec while i ferret
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• 1303[12:24:07] <themill> !cd archive
• 1304[12:24:07] <dpkg> A repository for CD images of older Debian releases is at replaced-url
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• 1312[12:26:14] <veek> ah yep phew reddit has no frigging search of old posts
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• 1330[12:47:32] <flj> then the olderst version would be amd64 debian 5.0.10 dvd iso? Do you think the iso will install on an about 10 years old computer?
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• 1368[13:08:31] <BCMM> flj: are you looking for an old version specifically so that you can use an old computer?
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• 1372[13:09:50] <BCMM> because unless it's a 586 or something, the latest debian ought to work on it
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• 1375[13:11:16] <Gasoline> I have 9.5 installed on a 17 year old machine
• 1376[13:11:19] <Gasoline> runs great
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• 1379[13:12:06] <Gasoline> I am running cbpp though
• 1380[13:12:11] <Gasoline> with openbox
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• 1382[13:13:55] <flj> no, I have an old usb device which does not run on debian 9 if I do not install non free firmware. Which I want to avoid. Someone said the usb device ran on debian 3. I cannot find a debian 3 dvd iso. Therefore I will test debian 5 main. If the usb device runs. Then I know at some point there was a free software firmware.
• 1383[13:14:44] <flj> can you install debian 5.0.10 from an usb stick?
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• 1390[13:21:06] <BCMM> flj: can you boot your old computer from a USB stick?
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• 1392[13:21:37] <flj> yes. I also have a new computer.
• 1393[13:21:43] <BCMM> also, i find it unlikely that there is a usb device that needs firmware, but only on some versions of linux. are you familiar with the difference between drivers and firmware?
• 1394[13:22:53] <flj> probably not. The piece of software I have to add to debian is called firmware by the provider.
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• 1397[13:23:28] <BCMM> "probably not" to which bit?
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• 1399[13:23:53] <BCMM> and what does the thing they want you to add to debian look like?
• 1400[13:23:57] <flj> that I am able to tell a driver from firmware.
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• 1406[13:25:52] <flj> replaced-url
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• 1415[13:28:12] <flj> it is not about getting it running. It is about getting it running on free software.
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• 1418[13:31:29] <BCMM> flj: "firmware", in this context, usually refers to the software running *on the device*, not the software running on the cpu
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• 1420[13:32:59] <BCMM> flj: pretty much every part of your computer, mouse, hard disk, you name it, has non-free firmware. most peripheral devices load it from a ROM built in to the device.
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• 1423[13:33:29] <flj> the piece of firmware you add to debian is being moved onto the usb device when you connect the usb device. That is what I have been told.
• 1424[13:33:46] <BCMM> flj: right. a few devices don't store the firmware themselves. instead, the firmware has to be sent to the device, by the driver, when the device is powered on
• 1425[13:34:22] <BCMM> the linux driver is involved with sending the firmware to the device, but that doesn't mean the driver itself isn't open source
• 1426[13:35:39] <BCMM> the operating system itself is no less free than it would be while interacting with a scanner that loads the firmware from an onboard ROM instead of from disk
• 1427[13:36:25] <BCMM> but the scanner almost certainly *needs* firmware to operate. and it seems unlikely that an older version of the driver came with open-source firmware for that scanner.
• 1428[13:36:25] <Antares_> replaced-url
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• 1433[13:38:10] <flj> maybe you are right. It is not a problem. My policy is to make use of as most free software as possible. Also about hardware. Because I cannot get all hardware to run on free software does not stop me from trying to get free software devices. All my wifi cards are free software.
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• 1435[13:39:52] <BCMM> flj: i personally don't think that firmware is a "free software" issue. i think it's a "free hardware" thing.
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• 1437[13:40:32] <BCMM> and in many cases, if a wireless device doesn't require proprietary firmware in Debian, that just means that it has it's own way of loading proprietary firmware
• 1438[13:40:52] <BCMM> i.e. no firmware in /lib/ just means that the card doesn't need the OS's help to load proprietary firmware
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• 1453[13:45:03] <flj> if a device does as you say, uses non free software anyway, it is unacceptable. But it does not stop me from wanting to avoid to add a non free firmware file to debian.
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• 1457[13:46:27] <flj> the situation about hardware and non free software is unacceptable. Then you search for hardware which is able to run on debian main. Get a libreboot computer.
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• 1467[13:49:02] <flj> I will test debian 5.0.10. If it does not run then I will look for another usb device. Thanks. I stop.
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• 1520[14:16:20] <pagetelegram> xfce powermanagement installed. I just changed some settings now however default settings I have to cycle power bottom 3 times before coming out from sleep mode. Anyone else experience this or have recommended settings? I've had to do a hard reboot bc the computer would not come back out of sleep.
• 1521[14:17:47] <colo-work> most probably a firmware/BIOS problem
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• 1599[15:07:30] <jelly> Antares_: Interesting links are welcome on #debian-offtopic channel, but can you please avoid posting non-debian-support links here?
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• 1611[15:13:35] <jelly> ,checkbackport sssd
• 1612[15:13:36] <judd> Backporting package sssd in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
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• 1646[15:38:58] <rcm888> why os-prober doesnt detect btrfs??
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• 1654[15:43:21] <jelly> noone taught it to?
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• 1663[15:52:39] <SopaXorzTaker> TIL (not really today) that the recently-used files are stored in .local/share/recently-used.xbel
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• 1671[15:57:02] <rcm888> is there way to make update-grub detect btrfs??
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• 1674[15:59:19] <rcm888> is there way to make update-grub detect btrfs??
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• 1689[16:03:18] <keoegie> hi
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• 1695[16:04:21] <keoegie> I need to extract the files from an external cloned hd. The file extension is e01 through e27
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• 1700[16:06:03] <colo-work> `file yourfileofunknowndescent`
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• 1702[16:07:30] <greycat> you were actually able to parse that question? impressive.
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• 1704[16:07:51] <keoegie> colo-work, have more files
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• 1706[16:08:01] <keoegie> colo-work, is hd clone
• 1707[16:08:23] <colo-work> greycat, I tried, and was willing to risk a shot in the dark
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• 1710[16:08:30] <greycat> Nice effort.
• 1711[16:08:30] <Haohmaru> rcm888 maybe you need to have certain things first, like btrfs-tools btrfs-utils or something
• 1712[16:08:41] <colo-work> keoegie, `file *e[0-9][0-9]`
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• 1750[16:27:34] <n4dir> 6
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• 1761[16:31:25] <egs0> Anyone know where to download non-EFI installation images? replaced-url
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• 1763[16:31:56] <greycat> The Debian netinst images can be booted in UEFI or Legacy mode, if your computer has those options in its firmware.
• 1764[16:32:29] <jelly> but how do you coerce them to install in legacy mode even if they find UEFI firmware
• 1765[16:32:38] <greycat> Booting one in Legacy mode does a non-UEFI install, and installs grub-pc rather than grub-efi.
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• 1772[16:34:43] <petn-randall> this ^
• 1773[16:35:32] <petn-randall> If you really need to create a legacy install on UEFI only, or the other way around (which would be unbootable in both cases), you can always debootstrap.
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• 1780[16:36:39] <egs0> Hmm, how do you flash usb with netinstall legacy mode? Only seems to be EFI when I flash it normally
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• 1783[16:37:09] <greycat> You BOOT it in legacy mode by going into your computer's firmware ("BIOS") and choosing that option from the boot menu.
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• 1790[16:38:16] <egs0> Ah
• 1791[16:38:23] <goose> I'm attempting to change a password of a user. When I do, the terminal immediately returns the following lines, without letting me input anything: replaced-url
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• 1794[16:39:05] <petn-randall> goose: Is this on Debian?
• 1795[16:39:08] <goose> Yes
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• 1797[16:39:19] <petn-randall> goose: which release?
• 1798[16:39:23] <goose> stable
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• 1800[16:39:30] <petn-randall> stretch?
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• 1802[16:39:46] <goose> 9.5, not sure the codename
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• 1804[16:40:13] <petn-randall> yes, that's stretch. Does running 'systemctl' as root show any daemons currently failing? It should be in red.
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• 1807[16:40:58] <maxzor> hello, running 9.5 how can i know the sed version I am using? It does not support bracket repetition constraint nor negative lookahead...
• 1808[16:41:02] <goose> Yes: systemd-sysctl.service, vsftpd.service (Expected, I'm working on finding the config error for that one)
• 1809[16:41:26] <n4dir> maxzor: something like sed --version?
• 1810[16:41:26] <maxzor> embarassing, sed --version, right
• 1811[16:41:30] <maxzor> ty :)
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• 1813[16:41:38] <greycat> or "dpkg -l sed"
• 1814[16:41:38] <maxzor> says 4.4
• 1815[16:41:53] <SerajewelKS> is there a tool in debian that will write zero over every sector of a hard disk EXCEPT sectors that can't be read?
• 1816[16:42:12] <SerajewelKS> e.g. to prepare a disk to be RMA'd, without masking existing read errors
• 1817[16:42:31] <greycat> maxzor: you might want to talk to the ##sed channel instead of us, because that question sounds fairly advanced. (Portable POSIX sed only uses Basic Regular Expressions.)
• 1818[16:42:47] <maxzor> greycat, thank you
• 1819[16:43:20] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: What would the benefit be? You can always see unrecovered/reallocated sectors via the SMART data.
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• 1822[16:43:50] <SerajewelKS> indeed, i just have heard some vendors can be picky about it
• 1823[16:44:07] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Personally, I'd do a secure erase via ATA, and the RMA it.
• 1824[16:44:11] <petn-randall> *then
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• 1827[16:44:53] <SerajewelKS> oh hmm
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• 1831[16:45:50] <SerajewelKS> that means i have to trust the disk firmware, yes?
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• 1834[16:46:23] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: It will also erase any reserve sectors, which a wipe with /dev/zero will not.
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• 1836[16:46:32] <SerajewelKS> ah
• 1837[16:46:46] <SerajewelKS> i assume none of this will affect the reallocated count in the smart data
• 1838[16:47:06] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Btw, I just use LUKS on every physical disk, that way you only have to wipe the LUKS header (around 4k) to make the data unrecoverable. It's much easier to get that wiped cleanly than the whole disk.
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• 1840[16:48:00] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: IIRC it will reallocate any sectors marked as offline uncorrectable.
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• 1843[16:48:22] <SerajewelKS> right, same as wiping with /dev/zero
• 1844[16:48:28] <SerajewelKS> yeah the LUKS idea is a good one
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• 1846[16:49:01] <SerajewelKS> kind of a PITA to retrofit that onto a running server. maybe next time i do a data migration i can do that too.
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• 1848[16:49:42] <SerajewelKS> hdparm tells me "422min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 422min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT." i just issued a secure erase command and it only took 1.5min? is that normal?
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• 1850[16:49:44] <walnut_burl> goose: Do you have the right perms on /etc/shadow, and /etc/passwd. You read/write to /etc/shadow, Could also be account doesn't exist in /etc/shadow but does in passwd, you are using an external authentication and passwd isn't handling it correctly, or the account is disabled. SELinux can also create problems
• 1851[16:50:11] <goose> walnut_burl, thanks, I'll check
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• 1853[16:50:44] <SerajewelKS> all I/O to the disk (fdisk, hdparm) now hangs
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• 1858[16:52:29] <SerajewelKS> apparently the kernel has started killing requests to the disk because it's taking too long. i'm guessing the disk is still erasing but returned success to the erase command too early?
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• 1861[16:53:06] <egs0> greycat, do all BIOS have such options? I've got a ASUS P6T SE which is quite old, and cannot find any options regarding UEFI/legacy
• 1862[16:53:09] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Right, but any sensitive data on reallocated sectors will not be wiped with /dev/zero, but will be with ATA secure erase.
• 1863[16:53:20] <petn-randall> egs0: Then it likely doesn't have UEFI.
• 1864[16:53:23] <greycat> egs0: there is no standard of any kind, no.
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• 1866[16:53:42] <greycat> If it's a pure Legacy machine, then you should be able to simply boot the installer, and install Debian with no problem.
• 1867[16:53:45] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: right, i just meant w/rt the smart data... both will have basically the same effect on that. pending bad sectors get remapped.
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• 1869[16:53:59] <petn-randall> Oh yes, definitely.
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• 1872[16:54:14] <SerajewelKS> the stranger issue now is that the erase "completed" in 1.5 mins (for a 3TB HDD!?)
• 1873[16:54:34] <SerajewelKS> and now the disk is not accepting commands. the kernel has apparently marked the disk "offline" and all I/O to it results in "No such device or address"
• 1874[16:54:44] <SerajewelKS> so i don't know if it failed and i need to replug the drive, or if i just need to wait
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• 1877[16:55:36] <SerajewelKS> i'm using a USB-SATA bridge, so any goofiness of the bridge may also be at play here
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• 1879[16:55:40] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Jikes. How is the disk connected? I know of USB/S-ATA bridges that offline the disk on errors.
• 1880[16:56:12] <SerajewelKS> maybe the bridge has a 1.5min timeout for all commands. if the disk is offlined, will the erase still be in progress?
• 1881[16:56:28] <SerajewelKS> e.g. should i just wait the 422 minutes and then replug it?
• 1882[16:56:44] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Not sure, I'd replug it anyways.
• 1883[16:56:51] <SerajewelKS> hmm ok
• 1884[16:57:09] <SerajewelKS> maybe i should just take advantage of sata hotswap and plug it into this machine directly
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• 1886[16:57:17] <petn-randall> I'd also plug it into a "proper" S-ATA port if that issue happens again.
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• 1888[16:58:09] <SerajewelKS> the first bridge i tried couldn't handle disks >2TB so my trust in USB bridges isn't that high at the moment
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• 1898[16:59:38] <SerajewelKS> oh jeez. i don't think i have a spare sata cable here.
• 1899[17:00:11] <egs0> greycat, problem is the netinst flashed USB stick only contains a EFI dir and grub-efi, and the installation worked fine, however on bootup after the grub menu, the screen gets the "no signal input" which was the problem I had on another computer when I installed legacy mode instead of UEFI so I assume it actually install UEFI by default this time
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• 1901[17:01:29] <greycat> egs0: that sounds like the boot loader is fine, but there's some problem in the kernel's video or other really low level layers (ACPI?)
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• 1904[17:03:15] <SerajewelKS> ok, i wasn't using one of my other disks in this machine so i unmounted it, pulled the SATA cable, and i'm using that for now to do this erase
• 1905[17:03:33] <SerajewelKS> wide support for SATA hotplug is really nice
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• 1911[17:07:02] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: the command didn't return after 1.5min this time so i think it's safe to say it was the USB bridge doing USB bridge things
• 1912[17:07:19] <SerajewelKS> thanks for the pointers
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• 1924[17:15:03] <SerajewelKS> literally the first thing on this howto says "do not attempt to do this through a usb interface"
• 1925[17:15:10] <SerajewelKS> <-- this guy can totally read
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• 1929[17:17:30] <jelly> SerajewelKS: leave it running for 8 hours, it might be doing its thing.
• 1930[17:17:58] <SerajewelKS> it is now, i attached it directly with a sata cable
• 1931[17:18:03] <jelly> ah
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• 1933[17:18:14] <SerajewelKS> apparently using USB bridges can brick the hard drive completely
• 1934[17:18:22] <jelly> whoopsies
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• 1936[17:18:39] <SerajewelKS> i'm lucky that it just made the secure erase fail
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• 1939[17:18:56] <SerajewelKS> that will teach me not to ignore the big red warning text on these articles
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• 1944[17:25:42] <keoegie> hi, i try umount, but dont work, because msg umount: ewf1: block devices are not permitted on filesystem
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• 1999[17:52:23] <rcm888> I have screen blinking. found some uncertain articles on the web. but still cant understand where is the problem
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• 2001[17:53:38] <Voldenet> have you tried using another screen
• 2002[17:54:17] <rcm888> Voldenet, under ms works normally
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• 2005[17:56:59] <Voldenet> Can't help if it's xorg issue, I only use the terminal
• 2006[17:57:46] <SerajewelKS> what kind of display?
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• 2011[18:05:03] <rcm888> philips
• 2012[18:05:18] <rcm888> 1920x1050
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• 2019[18:06:40] <SerajewelKS> i mean what type
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• 2051[18:22:26] <tharkun> somiaj: Thanks I ended up with a dead battery after typing the PPid so I really hadn't a chance to take a look at your comment.
• 2052[18:22:44] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks for the head up on somiaj's comment.
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• 2056[18:24:10] <trysten> where is the documentation for wpa_supplicant extensions to /etc/network/interfaces file?
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• 2067[18:30:36] <jelly> trysten: if unsure start with
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• 2069[18:30:42] <jelly> !README.Debian
• 2070[18:30:43] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 2075[18:33:13] <trysten> Thanks jelly :D
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• 2078[18:34:20] <mason> trysten: There's also replaced-url
• 2079[18:34:37] <mason> trysten: That shows some basics that'll cover most networks.
• 2080[18:35:10] <mason> This one's an odd case in that you want to configure ifupdown, but it doesn't know about wpa itself, making the documentation a bit hard to find.
• 2081[18:35:30] <mason> trysten: But, once learned, you'll always remember it, because the actual syntax is trivial.
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• 2083[18:36:16] <mason> (Then you can relearn it all with added ceremonial syntax if Debian moves to netplan.)
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• 2094[18:42:34] <Roedy> I just found the manpage for pf on debian.com - Does that mean I can somehow install pf on my debian? replaced-url
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• 2097[18:43:12] <greycat> debian.com?
• 2098[18:43:24] <Roedy> org sorry
• 2099[18:43:50] <jelly> !kfreebsd
• 2100[18:43:50] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
• 2101[18:44:21] <jelly> Roedy: only if you install the non-linux variant of Debian with FreeBSD kernel.
• 2102[18:44:49] <Roedy> hmm. okay
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• 2132[19:01:05] <mason> Ooh, the "quality concerns" author must be the same person who was trolling the Wikipedia article for a while.
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• 2142[19:05:55] <keoegie> hi, mount: ewf1: failed to setup loop device: Permissão negada
• 2143[19:06:03] <keoegie> how to fix this problem ?
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• 2151[19:12:48] <g0zzy> Having a real problem purging and reinstalling mysql-server. It's simply not clearing out and cleaning itself
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• 2153[19:13:20] <greycat> It's probably a meta-package that brings in something with numbers in it.
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• 2155[19:13:45] <ntz> hello
• 2156[19:13:45] <greycat> Yeah, it's also transitional due to the mysql -> mariadb thing.
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• 2158[19:14:06] <greycat> mysql-server depends on default-mysql-server which in turn depends on mariadb-server-10.1
• 2159[19:14:09] <g0zzy> Yes, but what do we treat it as now?
• 2160[19:14:11] <dob1> hi, there is some doc to how to make jorunal persistent? related to debian, on google I find only forums
• 2161[19:14:18] <greycat> so the one you want to purge is mariadb-server-10.1
• 2162[19:14:26] <g0zzy> OK. Will try thanks
• 2163[19:14:31] <ntz> do you know about some GUI text editor for linux, that supports highlighting (by different colour) multiple patterns ?
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• 2165[19:15:07] <jelly> dob1: basically you just need to mkdir /var/log/journal and reboot
• 2166[19:15:37] <jelly> ntz: what do you mean by "multiple patterns"
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• 2168[19:15:53] <greycat> To be fair, those forums you found would probably also work for Debian. Debian uses systemd pretty much unchanged from upstream, other than moving stuff from /usr/lib/ to /lib/.
• 2169[19:16:21] <jelly> ntz: searching for two different things and having both highlighted at the same time?
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• 2171[19:16:38] <dob1> jelly, no need to set max size or whatever? I was reading about this
• 2172[19:17:01] <ntz> jelly: yes
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• 2174[19:17:17] <ntz> like for example notepad++ can do, or ms word
• 2175[19:18:00] <ntz> you just select by mouse some pattern and in right click floating menu you can click on `highlight with style 1' or such like
• 2176[19:18:16] <ntz> or you can select from predefined colours or even from palette
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• 2185[19:20:53] <ntz> jelly: replaced-url
• 2186[19:21:00] <ntz> ^^ notepad++ in wine
• 2187[19:21:20] * jelly also has notepad++ in wine for some reason
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• 2190[19:22:01] <ntz> jelly: for me only this ability for highlighting multiple selections ... otherwise I use kate or kwrite since I am kde user ...
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• 2193[19:22:32] <ntz> but gedit, another `big five' editor doesn't have this ability .. no plugin making so
• 2194[19:23:40] <jelly> no idea, I usually use grep on logs.
• 2195[19:23:44] <jelly> or splunk
• 2196[19:23:46] * jelly hides
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• 2206[19:29:18] <hyper_ch> Hi, I'm having issues to debootstrap stretch... it keeps telling me that it can't get release file but the url provided opens just fine in the browser replaced-url
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• 2210[19:31:25] <jelly> hyper_ch: which os/release is the host?
• 2211[19:31:34] <jelly> or which version of debootstrap
• 2212[19:31:37] <hyper_ch> stretch live cd
• 2213[19:31:47] <jelly> is dns working?
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• 2215[19:31:56] <hyper_ch> yes
• 2216[19:32:05] <nyov> http_proxy= /
• 2217[19:32:07] <nyov> ?
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• 2222[19:32:15] <hyper_ch> apt installed openssh-server just fine and zfs
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• 2224[19:32:22] <jelly> hyper_ch: what happens if you debootstrap "stretch" and not "stable"?
• 2225[19:32:30] <hyper_ch> jelly: same
• 2226[19:32:48] <jelly> !which deb.debian.org
• 2227[19:32:48] <dpkg> To work out which CDN you are using through deb.debian.org: dig +short srv _http._tcp.deb.debian.org
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• 2229[19:33:08] <nyov> does debootstrap --verbose help?
• 2230[19:33:26] <hyper_ch> dig is part of which package?
• 2231[19:33:32] <greycat> dnsutils
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• 2233[19:34:04] <hyper_ch> jelly: 10 1 80 prod.debian.map.fastly.net.
• 2234[19:34:41] <hyper_ch> greycat: thx
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• 2237[19:35:21] <jelly> bah, that's a cdn again so not conclusive
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• 2240[19:36:13] <nyov> wellllll, just try it against a static mirror before debugging some possible cdn faults? :P
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• 2242[19:36:34] <hyper_ch> curl -o xxx replaced-url
• 2243[19:36:52] <jelly> that ought to be fine
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• 2246[19:37:00] <hyper_ch> when I run debootstrap --verbose --arch=amd64 stretch /mnt replaced-url
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• 2248[19:37:25] <hyper_ch> replaced-url
• 2249[19:37:32] <jelly> hyper_ch: and what does cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org resolve to for you?
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• 2251[19:37:45] <hyper_ch> when I curl now that fastly one cand cat it, I get the package list
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• 2253[19:38:03] <hyper_ch> jelly: the original deb.debian.net said it moved to the fastly site
• 2254[19:38:43] <nyov> maybe get creative with some debootstrap options then.
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• 2256[19:39:10] <jelly> debootstrap --download-only --arch=amd64 stable ./mnt replaced-url
• 2257[19:39:14] <nyov> just guessing, but perhaps gpg fault? --download-only --no-check-gpg --no-check-certificate ...
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• 2259[19:39:59] <jelly> hyper_ch: what does "dig +short cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org" say?
• 2260[19:40:16] <jelly> but even if it's the same IP as here, the IP might be anycast
• 2261[19:40:35] <dob1> ok I enabled the persistent log, but why it has to be disabled by default?
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• 2263[19:41:29] <jelly> dob1: probably because it's easier than choosing some random maximum size
• 2264[19:41:40] <jelly> as default
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• 2268[19:42:20] <dob1> jelly, they are in binary format now with systemd, there will be some rotation ?
• 2269[19:43:01] <hyper_ch> prod.debian.map.fastly.net.
• 2270[19:43:02] <hyper_ch> 151.101.12.204
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• 2274[19:44:19] <hyper_ch> so, how to use debootstrap now?
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• 2276[19:44:30] <jelly> right, same ip address as here but that's not saying much
• 2277[19:44:38] <jelly> hyper_ch: try a country mirror.
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• 2280[19:45:47] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2281[19:45:55] <hyper_ch> jelly: replaced-url
• 2282[19:45:56] <hyper_ch> same
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• 2285[19:48:48] <jelly> guess you'll have to use verbosity and debug then
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• 2287[19:49:26] <hyper_ch> jelly: verbose doesn't change anything
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• 2291[19:51:11] <hyper_ch> jelly: I can curl the file just fine replaced-url
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• 2297[19:54:43] <hyper_ch> any suggestion?
• 2298[19:55:21] <hyper_ch> is there a way to provide the release file manually?
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• 2300[19:55:37] <pagetelegram> Lost connection and not sure my question got through. It is a public interest project a group in Chicago are working on. Question here: replaced-url
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• 2309[19:59:39] <Fenwick17> Currently trying to install latte-dock in my KDE Debian build. Ran into a few issues and noticed the github page says "We recommend that you use at least Plasma 5.12.0" which I do not have yet. Anyone got much success getting it working on Plasma version prior to that?
• 2310[20:00:33] <hyper_ch> even the example in the manpages fails replaced-url
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• 2316[20:04:38] <jelly> hyper_ch: look at, and pastebin the contents of /mnt/debootstrap/debootstrap.log
• 2317[20:05:01] <hyper_ch> jelly: it segfaults
• 2318[20:05:43] <jelly> what does?
• 2319[20:05:45] <jelly> wget?
• 2320[20:05:58] <hyper_ch> replaced-url
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• 2323[20:06:37] <hyper_ch> yeah, wget seems to segfault... just tried to wget google.com --> segfault
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• 2327[20:07:37] <jelly> your live image may be broken, reboot and try again?
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• 2329[20:07:44] <hyper_ch> replaced-url
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• 2332[20:09:26] <jelly> hyper_ch: how much RAM does this machine have? Maybe there's not enough to boot and comfortably work with livecd
• 2333[20:09:41] <hyper_ch> 32gb
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• 2335[20:10:15] <jelly> boot it with "toram" boot parameter next time, let it slurp in and cache the whole image
• 2336[20:10:30] <hyper_ch> no idea what you mean
• 2337[20:10:45] <jelly> to can pass boot parameters when booting live cd
• 2338[20:10:49] <jelly> you* can
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• 2342[20:11:50] <hyper_ch> how? I'm now at the grub (?) main menu for the live cd
• 2343[20:12:14] <jelly> instead of pressing enter to choose an entry and start booting, press e
• 2344[20:12:29] <hyper_ch> does not do anything
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• 2346[20:12:42] <hyper_ch> debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-kde
• 2347[20:12:53] <hyper_ch> couldn't find a live cd without gui
• 2348[20:13:05] <jelly> maybe it's not grub but isolinux, dunno. I don't remember how adding boot params to isolinux worked
• 2349[20:13:20] <pagetelegram> what deb package contains maim?
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• 2351[20:13:32] <jelly> hyper_ch: can you press Tab key? Or just start typing toram
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• 2353[20:13:53] <jelly> judd: file bin/maim
• 2354[20:13:58] <judd> Search for bin/maim in stretch/amd64: maim: usr/bin/maim
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• 2356[20:14:25] <jelly> pagetelegram: ^ the eponymous package
• 2357[20:14:38] <pagetelegram> thanks jelly
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• 2361[20:15:01] <jelly> I'm being silly. It's just also called maim
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• 2364[20:15:30] <pagetelegram> referenced by another package according to deb8
• 2365[20:15:32] <clasick> why does debian's kde come with so many unnecessary packages?
• 2366[20:15:41] <greycat> ,v maim
• 2367[20:15:43] <judd> Package: maim on amd64 -- stretch: 3.3.41-1+b1; buster: 5.5.2-1; sid: 5.5.2-1
• 2368[20:15:48] <greycat> It's not in jessie.
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• 2370[20:16:06] <pagetelegram> gotcha, I'm afraid an upgrade will break what I got
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• 2372[20:16:23] <pagetelegram> brb
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• 2374[20:16:31] <greycat> ,checkbackport maim
• 2375[20:16:32] <judd> Backporting package maim in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 2376[20:16:39] <greycat> oops, forgot...
• 2377[20:16:51] <greycat> ,checkbackport maim --torelease jessie
• 2378[20:16:53] <jelly> pagetelegram: right, avoid doing release upgrades on the only remaining working computer
• 2379[20:17:00] <judd> Backporting package maim in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: slop.
• 2380[20:17:21] <greycat> ,checkbackport maim --torelease jessie --fromrelease stretch
• 2381[20:17:22] <judd> Backporting package maim in stretch→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 2382[20:17:32] <greycat> OK, you might be able to backport it from stretch to jessie.
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• 2386[20:18:18] <jelly> ,i maim
• 2387[20:18:20] <judd> Package maim (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: takes screenshts of your desktop. Version: 3.3.41-1+b1; Size: 25.8k; Installed: 76k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2388[20:18:27] <jelly> or use an alternative.
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• 2390[20:18:32] <jelly> scrot
• 2391[20:18:34] <hyper_ch> jelly: tab seems to have worked
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• 2394[20:19:11] <greycat> I use scrot fairly often. Not sure if maim has some extra features that he needs. Scrot is fairly minimalist.
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• 2397[20:19:27] <jelly> there's probably a dozen tools that capture screenshots
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• 2399[20:20:32] <kxze> I personally use flameshot for screenshots. It's pretty good
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• 2406[20:21:06] <hyper_ch> jelly: what does toram actually do?
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• 2409[20:23:14] <jelly> hyper_ch: reads the whole compressed filesystem from the cd/dvd image into RAM, so that one can run any command in the image without having to access the media later
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• 2411[20:23:32] <hyper_ch> this is so slow :(
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• 2414[20:24:20] <jelly> wait a couple minutes at boot, then can get rid of the usb stick or whatever possibly unreliable media you booted from
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• 2416[20:24:55] <hyper_ch> jelly: its being loaded remotely from me
• 2417[20:25:01] <hyper_ch> and I think it failed
• 2418[20:25:31] <hyper_ch> jelly: replaced-url
• 2419[20:25:53] <jelly> if you're on remote mgt and have crappy upload it's going to be horrible
• 2420[20:26:07] <hyper_ch> I have gigabit upload
• 2421[20:26:26] <jelly> and yet it failed
• 2422[20:27:19] <jelly> hyper_ch: I'd use grml.org live cd instead of debian, it's debian based, relatively small, and has many useful tools available by default
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• 2424[20:28:21] <trysten> is it just that samba is devloped by europeans?
• 2425[20:28:39] <trysten> It feels like everything is documented strangely
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• 2427[20:28:43] <jelly> trysten: people in #samba might confirm or deny that
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• 2434[20:31:51] <jelly> hyper_ch: those errors on the console kind of sound like your connectivity is a bit unreliable
• 2435[20:32:10] <hyper_ch> my connection is acutally pretty good :(
• 2436[20:32:14] <trysten> i'm pulling my hair out trying to get samba stuff to work on stretch that i have no problem with on jessie. I've read the changelogs and i've been reading debug output from smbclient for a while. Does anyone know about some kind of compatability table for smbclient etc?
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• 2439[20:33:24] <jelly> hyper_ch: there are many steps between your home and that machine hosted at hetzner
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• 2449[20:37:46] <jelly> hyper_ch: maybe you have too GOOD a connection and it's their network that is losing bits!
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• 2451[20:38:07] <jelly> hyper_ch: or maybe you just got dealt a machine with crappy hw
• 2452[20:38:21] <hyper_ch> jelly: thx
• 2453[20:38:38] <jelly> hyper_ch: maybe run memtest86 / memtest86+
• 2454[20:39:00] <nyov> hyper_ch: what are you actually trying to achieve there. debootstrapping a hetzner server?
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• 2459[20:39:13] <jelly> wget segfaulting is weird
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• 2462[20:40:17] <jelly> hyper_ch: grml also has a kind of nice grml-debootstrap and grml-chroot wrappers
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• 2467[20:45:08] <qqz> I am running Debian 9 and want to install a brother printer driver which is 32bit
• 2468[20:45:28] <qqz> The manual tells me to install ia32-libs or lib32stdc++
• 2469[20:45:52] <qqz> but actually dpkg complains about the 32bit architecture
• 2470[20:46:01] <qqz> what can I do?
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• 2475[20:48:03] <greycat> ia32-libs is very old
• 2476[20:48:06] <jelly> !multiarch
• 2477[20:48:07] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 2479[20:48:32] <jelly> qqz: first try to see if the vendor maybe has 64bit builds now on their web site
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• 2481[20:49:28] <qqz> no it does not have a 64 bit build for the printer drivers
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• 2484[20:50:22] <jelly> if they don't, you can install lib32stdc++6:amd64, or enable "i386" as above and install ia32-libs which pulls in a LOT of libraries
• 2485[20:50:44] <greycat> I think you mean lib32stdc++6:i386
• 2486[20:51:03] <greycat> or... no, wait.
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• 2489[20:51:21] <greycat> I was thinking of libstdc++6:i386
• 2490[20:51:38] <greycat> yours has a 32 stuck in the middle of it for some reason. never saw that before.
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• 2507[21:02:31] <hyper_ch> jelly: trying again with toram option but this time from another server at hetzner
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• 2650[22:21:00] <at0m> !anyone
• 2651[22:21:01] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 2655[22:21:48] <kxze> !smart questions
• 2656[22:21:48] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
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• 2658[22:22:10] <at0m> kxze: you can also /msg dpkg <item>
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• 2663[22:24:18] <kryl> Quelqu'un sait comment "refaire" une table des partitions si la partition unique prenait tout l'espace du disque et qu'elle n'a pas été touchée ? Sachant que cette partition était chiffée avec dm-crypt (sans LUKS) !
• 2664[22:24:38] <greycat> !fr
• 2665[22:24:39] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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• 2692[22:34:41] <kryl> Oups, I broke the bootsector (and the main table partition) of my HD, the whole first primary partition was crypted with dm-crypt. The data may be intact, and I know the password :-) . Is there a way to re-create the main partition ?
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• 2696[22:35:40] <greycat> If you simply mean the partition table, you can recreate the partitions *exactly* as they were before, and then things ought to work. But you would have to know the exact starting and ending points.
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• 2698[22:36:33] <kryl> that's it... and I don't know how to find them.
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• 2707[22:37:54] <kryl> I did it with fdisk, by removing and creating again a first partition with the full size of the HD (it was the case before) but in automatic mode and it was unsuccessful
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• 2712[22:38:21] <greycat> in the olden days, you had to reboot after modifying the partition table; I don't know whether that's still true
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• 2715[22:40:07] <kryl> I don't know too but I tried after rebooting in case of and it's still unsuccessful
• 2716[22:40:29] <kryl> and it's an external USB HD so it's not difficult to unplug it...
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• 2719[22:41:46] <rcm888> btrfs is not supported by grub2 / os-prober?
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• 2724[22:42:39] <rcm888> hellllooou
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• 2726[22:44:13] <kryl> with hexdump on /dev/sdb1 I get : 00000000 eb 52 90 4e 54 46 53 20 20 20 20 00 02 08 00 00 |.R.NTFS .....|
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• 2730[22:46:38] <karlpinc> kryl: I'm a little late here but generally the wise first step is to dd the whole drive to another drive. And then try to recover the backup.
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• 2735[22:47:46] <kryl> karlpinc, I know but it's 2TB :p
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• 2737[22:48:34] <kryl> I guess LUKS have headers but not dm-crypt raw... And maybe creating a new partition with testdisk (ntfs)... erased the first bytes of the crypted data ?
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• 2745[22:51:54] <Antares_> Споки рыбки!
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• 2755[22:56:08] <rcm888> btrfs is not supported by grub2 / os-prober?
• 2756[22:57:07] <at0m> !ru
• 2757[22:57:08] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 2760[22:58:32] <greycat> rcm888: I don't know. Try running it yourself, as root. The only documentation seems to be /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README
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• 2766[23:06:08] <rcm888> how to delete apt source (grub2)
• 2767[23:06:34] <greycat> That makes no sense. What are you trying to do?
• 2768[23:06:56] <rcm888> greycat, I dont understand where did I installed sources for grub2
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• 2770[23:07:23] <greycat> *If* you installed them, then you can simply remove the directories and files that "apt-get source" created for you.
• 2771[23:07:30] <rcm888> greycat, I did: sudo apt source grub2
• 2772[23:07:43] <greycat> OK, just remove whatever it created. No special steps required.
• 2773[23:07:48] <rcm888> greycat, /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README
• 2774[23:07:57] <rcm888> sorry
• 2775[23:08:01] <rcm888> greycat, pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
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• 2777[23:08:24] <greycat> By the way, you do NOT have to be root to run apt-get source (or apt source). It writes to the current working directory.
• 2778[23:08:40] <rcm888> greycat, I dont know what has it created
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• 2780[23:09:02] <greycat> Then do nothing. It can't be very much disk space.
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• 2782[23:09:23] * greycat tries it
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• 2784[23:09:44] <greycat> It's 64 megabytes. Bigger than I thought it would be, but not a terrible burden.
• 2785[23:09:47] <rcm888> greycat, I installed sources as root, I need to fix it
• 2786[23:09:56] <greycat> It's just FILES. You can just DELETE THEM.
• 2787[23:09:58] <greycat> Jeeeez.
• 2788[23:10:02] <rcm888> greycat, any idea how to do that?
• 2789[23:10:04] <greycat> rm
• 2790[23:10:46] <greycat> those files: replaced-url
• 2791[23:10:51] <greycat> wherever you were when you ran it
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• 2794[23:11:56] <rcm888> greycat, I found them in /etc ... why? shouldnt it be /src???
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• 2798[23:12:32] <greycat> IT WRITES THEM TO THE CURRENT WORKING DIRECTORY
• 2799[23:12:52] <greycat> You are supposed to be in your $HOME or wherever you want to examine and work with the source code when you run the command. As NON-root.
• 2800[23:13:01] <rcm888> greycat, ok. but it is wtupid
• 2801[23:13:07] <greycat> Then don't run it again.
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• 2807[23:16:29] <rcm888> greycat, ah ok, but why not /usr/src? similar to /usr/sbin/...
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• 2809[23:16:46] <greycat> Because you can't write to /usr/src as your normal login account.
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• 2811[23:16:49] <greycat> It runs AS YOU.
• 2812[23:16:53] <greycat> It writes to WHERE YOU ARE.
• 2813[23:16:57] <greycat> You run it AS NON-ROOT.
• 2814[23:17:21] <rcm888> greycat, how about sbin per user?
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