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3 [00:00:56] <g0zzy> I installed linkchecker then uninstalled it with aptitude. A lot of python libs are still installed. I ran aptitude autoclean
4 [00:01:17] * g0zzy mean libraries that were installed BY linkchecker
5 [00:01:42] <format_c> g0zzy: aptitude purge removes all along installed dependencies
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8 [00:02:14] <g0zzy> Right, actually i normally run with purge. Don't know why i didn't
9 [00:02:43] <format_c> g0zzy: install it again, then purge it.
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15 [00:04:59] <g0zzy> No, I think they are still installed
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17 [00:05:22] <somiaj> it could be some of the libaries that got installed are suggested by other packages you have installed.
18 [00:05:45] <somiaj> autoremove only removes auto packages that other packges don't depend, recommend or suggest.
19 [00:06:16] <g0zzy> well they definitely came in as a result of installing linkchecker
20 [00:06:55] <g0zzy> replaced-url
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24 [00:08:32] <at0m> format_c: reinstall then purge? if anything remains, that i like to remove, i open aptitude, locate the package and "_" it if it still is marked as "c" (or is that just for config files?)
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28 [00:10:05] <format_c> g0zzy: I just realize, that the second installation doesn't require any dependency. Hence purge on this second try doesn't have the wanted effect.... logically :-(
29 [00:10:25] <g0zzy> Ah
30 [00:10:31] <format_c> at0m: I solely use aptitude as a command line equivalent for apt-get.
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32 [00:11:04] <format_c> at0m: the semi-graphical interface is IMHO somewhat lame.
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36 [00:12:50] <at0m> format_c: i use command line and ncurses interface both, both have their purpose here. for example i like to manually mark suggests for installation from within the ncurses interface. probably cos i dont actively know how to do that from console
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38 [00:14:03] <at0m> just reading man aptitude, "_" marks for purging as i suspected, no further specifics there
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40 [00:15:04] <at0m> "removes config and assiciated data files"
41 [00:15:06] <g0zzy> I ran aptitude why on python-enum34. It's telling me that it's down at the leaf end of a dependency tree started by something installed and a _suggestion_ of that something ;)
42 [00:15:13] <at0m> *asociated
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44 [00:16:05] <agio> I'm trying to install an lxc container and get basic networking into the container setup. I have setup the bridge in the host using lxc-net service, but inside the container there is no network interface present and still no networking. does anyone know how to bring up the interface inside the container? or any way to debug? e.g. if there are any log files which might contain the errors?
45 [00:16:06] <g0zzy> But it definitely came in as a result only of installing linkchecker
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48 [00:17:27] <format_c> g0zzy: Well bahm. Forgot to purge. Now you have to do it by hand if you want to get them off your box.
49 [00:18:18] <g0zzy> Is it the case that there will be a warning if any of those libraries is a dependency if i try to aptitude remove them?
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52 [00:19:20] * g0zzy will run a script against all 10 if that's the case
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54 [00:19:45] <format_c> g0zzy: you'll see if you try to remove them ... if something else "have to be" removed along.
55 [00:20:13] <format_c> So you'd carefully eval the activity summary before hitting "Y"
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63 [00:24:14] <lenarhoyt> Hi. I'm trying to run openvpn on boot and I've enabled it via rc-update, and it does start, and I've configured the default script to load all config files, however it does not seem to run any of them.
64 [00:24:42] <lenarhoyt> On the other hand, I can run the service directly via service openvpn@myvpnclient start
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66 [00:25:13] <lenarhoyt> this runs, as expected, the client specified in /etc/openvpn/myvpnclient.conf
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69 [00:25:39] <format_c> lenarhoyt: nowadays systemctl is the utility of choice to influence startup services
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71 [00:25:53] <format_c> systemctl status openvpn@myvpnclient
72 [00:26:31] <format_c> What is the output of this command?
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76 [00:28:09] <lenarhoyt> format_c: active (running)
77 [00:28:15] <format_c> Enabled?
78 [00:28:28] <format_c> Enabled != Active
79 [00:28:36] <lenarhoyt> format_c: Aha! no it's disabled
80 [00:28:40] <format_c> Enabled == Start on Startup
81 [00:28:49] <format_c> then systemctl enable openvpn@myvpnclient
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83 [00:29:40] <lenarhoyt> great, thanks a bunch. I'm goint to test it. If it fails I'll have to wait til tomorrow though because it will lock me out.
84 [00:29:49] <lenarhoyt> and no physical access to the server
85 [00:29:54] <format_c> good lick
86 [00:29:59] <lenarhoyt> thinks
87 [00:30:03] <karlpinc> lenarhoyt: Run an "at" job that reboots.
88 [00:30:11] <karlpinc> lenarhoyt: (or resets, or whatever)
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90 [00:30:18] <format_c> karlpinc: just wanted to suggest the same
91 [00:30:33] <format_c> kinda "reload in ..." on a Cisco box ;-)
92 [00:31:43] <format_c> lenarhoyt: you are wilcome ;-)
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107 [00:42:43] <akko> nine
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114 [00:47:27] <agio> has anyone got lxc containers working on debian?
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118 [00:50:17] <rant> nope, nobody has ever done it.. you'll be the first. :P
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121 [00:52:21] <rant> replaced-url
122 [00:53:38] <agio> that documentation is broken
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125 [00:54:47] <cesurasean_> hey guys, im trying to install kali linux on a laptop with a geforce gtx 1060 but when i try to install nvidia-driver, it gives me a stack trace
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127 [00:55:08] <cesurasean_> anyway to install the driver so xorg will load? i even tried from driver from nvidia website, and same thing. stack trace.
128 [00:55:27] <rant> cesurasean_: you should try installing debian, or go to a kali linux channel like #kali-linux
129 [00:55:49] <cesurasean_> kali is based on debian tho
130 [00:56:00] <rant> nobody cares
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132 [00:56:27] <rant> once they take our packages and modify them, what makes you think we can reproduce or troubleshoot the issues that arise?
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135 [00:56:56] <rant> not to mention kali is not meant to be used with such things, its for penetration testing, meant to be used as a tool, not a normal OS you install gfx drivers on
136 [00:57:35] <rant> !kali
137 [00:57:35] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
138 [00:57:39] <rant> !based on debian
139 [00:57:39] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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142 [00:58:48] <pagetelegram> Hi, on Deb8 whats a good article on getting the Gobi2000 GSM modem working? Gobi3000 works fine on my t420. However not working on my Getac b300 with Gobi2000. I gave my t420 to my mother so I might do a card swap if I can't get current setup working on Getac.
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144 [01:01:31] <rant> pagetelegram: replaced-url
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146 [01:03:33] <pagetelegram> Great thank you!
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148 [01:03:58] <rant> pagetelegram: yes, well see the "Discussion" tab as well, but for most things related to thinkpads, thinkwiki is an invaluable resource
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150 [01:04:49] <rant> from what I gather you're gonna need to do some manual firmware extraction for any hope
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152 [01:05:26] <pagetelegram> I see that. I might just grab the 3000 out, my mom aint ever need it.
153 [01:06:48] <rant> yeah idk.. I only ever used usb ones, and they werent terribly difficult to use
154 [01:07:02] <rant> I never had a machine with the optional mini pci module
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176 [01:24:10] <maxrazer> Does anyone know how to confirm that I installed deadbeef player with gdebi? I can't seem to get any command to run it.
177 [01:24:52] <maxrazer> I also couldn't figure out how to install it to /opt/deadbeef
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181 [01:31:06] <n4dir> i think you coul unpack the according *dep file and look where it will install. locate, which, etc probably won't work, as you seem to miss the correct packagename and/or path.
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185 [01:34:59] <maxrazer> n4dir, I don't really follow. gdebi asked me if I want to install and I said yes and I don't see any errors. My working directory was /Downloads. I can't find any command like "deadb..." that will run the program though.
186 [01:35:38] <rant> maxrazer: dpkg -L deadbeef
187 [01:35:53] <rant> that'll list the paths of the files installed
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189 [01:36:52] <maxrazer> Oh, you know what. I think it installed to /opt and that isn't in my path, so I can't run it.
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193 [01:37:24] <maxrazer> That command showed me a ton of paths, but at the top it said /opt/deadbeef
194 [01:37:42] <rant> so symlink the executable to /usr/local/bin or change your path
195 [01:37:46] <maxrazer> I used that path and was able to run it, thanks.
196 [01:38:01] <n4dir> once installed as a deb dpkg -L should work too, i meant to look at the deadbeef.deb package with dpkg -c *deb.
197 [01:38:12] <n4dir> i don't do that often though ...
198 [01:38:14] <rant> personally I'd symlink the executable, it'd be simple
199 [01:39:11] <maxrazer> So, put a symlink in /usr/local/bin to the /opt/deadbeef/bin/deadbeef and /usr/local/bin is normally already in the path, so it will show up from any working directory?
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205 [01:40:58] <n4dir> short ago i tried something like that with seamonkey. didn't work well, as there is (perhaps) more in /opt/deadbeaf than only bin/deadbeef ...
206 [01:41:12] <n4dir> i got help from here, but forgot what exactly i did. shame.
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208 [01:41:21] <n4dir> worth a try for sure.
209 [01:41:31] <maxrazer> Just adding /opt to the path would make sense right?
210 [01:42:03] <n4dir> iirc tried that too, but it would look for /opt/bin and such, not for /opt/deadbeef.
211 [01:42:44] <n4dir> as you see i am not really in the subject. Only trying to tell you: might be more difficult than you assume. Don't get nervous
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213 [01:43:17] <rant> no because most things that use opt use a windows Program Files style approach where each program has its own subdir rather than seperating its parts into bin/ share/ etc like /usr/local
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215 [01:43:46] <rant> which is why its simpler to just link the executable to /usr/local/bin or /opt/bin which is already in the path
216 [01:44:16] <rant> well /opt/bin isn't in the path by default but /usr/local/bin is
217 [01:44:37] <n4dir> i mean: ln is done quickly. Just try and see ...
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224 [01:53:31] <n4dir> for what it's worth: i used a wrapper script (? correct name) and put it in ~/bin
225 [01:53:36] <n4dir> exec /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey "$@"
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227 [01:53:49] <n4dir> and the shebang is all it contains.
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233 [01:58:14] <maxrazer> I added "/opt/deadbeef/bin" to my .profile
234 [01:58:28] <n4dir> works?
235 [01:58:28] <maxrazer> That works
236 [01:58:35] <n4dir> cool then. sorry for the noise
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238 [01:59:04] <maxrazer> Wouldn't there be a way to add /opt and just have it include all the subdirectories?
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240 [01:59:34] <n4dir> i asked here, and iirc jelly helped me with it. He was a bit astonished too. Perhaps only a seamonkey problem?
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245 [02:02:30] <maxrazer> It seems I have to do "source .profile" each time though.
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248 [02:05:19] <n4dir> .profile gets sourced when you log in. bashrc gets sourced each time you open a shell. Somehow like that
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288 [02:33:43] <annadane> btw i still get screen blanking even with xset s off && xset -dpms and exec i3 in .xsession
289 [02:33:52] <annadane> er, don't* get screen blanking
290 [02:33:58] <annadane> wait, do get screen blanking...
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292 [02:34:03] <annadane> lol. sorry.
293 [02:34:41] <annadane> but anyway i'm on xfce now so i don't really want to fool around with it just now, but any hints welcome
294 [02:35:54] <annadane> replaced-url
295 [02:35:56] <n4dir> annadane: did you try to run the xset command manualy yet? If that works, i would just put a script in ~/bin and start it via xfce autostart
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298 [02:36:34] <annadane> i still don't remember whether that itself works or not, i haven't vigorously tested it, but ok i'll consider that
299 [02:38:09] <annadane> n4dir, also xfce already has a control panel thing for power, i don't need it in xfce, i need it in i3
300 [02:38:15] <n4dir> annadane: like said the other day: iirc greycat explained that if using a display-manager, other stuff will get "sourced" when logging in. All very confusing, so i always go for the most easy solution (bin + autostart)
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307 [02:44:47] <annadane> yeah i'd just have to configure i3 to read the script or make the script such that it starts when i3 is started, i have to research how to do it
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318 [02:49:24] <annadane> oh wait no, it's really simple
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364 [03:24:55] <n4dir> annadane: you don't plan to say how?
365 [03:25:49] <annadane> i'm pretty sure you can just exec --no-start-up-id ./screenscript.sh
366 [03:25:59] <annadane> in .config/i3/config
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368 [03:26:19] <annadane> er, exec --no-startup-id "bash screenscript.sh"
369 [03:26:56] <n4dir> ah.i see (i for one don't know i3, as i am not much in tiling)
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399 [04:00:26] <agio> does anyone know how to ssh into a debian lxc image?
400 [04:00:32] <agio> container I mean?
401 [04:00:54] <agio> it seems sshd - by default - denies logging in!
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406 [04:06:08] <aloo_shu> I don't know off the top of my head, agio, just remember that for sshd first use, you may need to generate a key pair first. the man page (man sshd in a terminal window) should bring more enlightenment
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408 [04:08:03] <agio> its just a container with no access to the outside world, so I tried to enable password logins with: "PasswwordAuthenictaion yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted ssh service - but I still cant' log in to the container
409 [04:09:02] <nyov> if that's how you wrote it, no wonder it's not working :) spell-check it maybe
410 [04:09:18] <agio> I uncommented what was there
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413 [04:11:03] <agio> fixed \o/
414 [04:11:22] <agio> needed to add PermitRootLogin yes and restart sshd
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436 [04:25:13] <outoftime> I need newer version of Fifechan, deb package for stretch contain module for python2, I need it for python3. I have found how to build it with hands replaced-url
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449 [04:45:25] <golinux> outoftime: Not one of these? replaced-url
450 [04:49:16] <outoftime> golinux: I need it for python replaced-url
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456 [04:56:11] <outoftime> golinux: if you think I'm dumb ass about all this - I am. Point me to the right place, if you can, please.
457 [04:56:56] <nyov> ,v fifechan
458 [04:56:57] <judd> No package named 'fifechan' was found in amd64.
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461 [04:57:30] <golinux> I have never even heard about that. Just a librarian of sorts
462 [04:57:46] <golinux> bbl
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465 [05:00:25] <outoftime> nyov: fifengie
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467 [05:00:45] <outoftime> judd: fifechan is a part of fifengine
468 [05:01:30] <nyov> judd doesn't care
469 [05:01:47] <nyov> outoftime: you want a newer version of it, or what?
470 [05:01:49] <outoftime> replaced-url
471 [05:03:06] <outoftime> nyov: yes, I want to send few patches to unknown-horizons, but I need new fersion of fife for python3 to test it a bit.
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473 [05:03:39] <nyov> ,v python-fife
474 [05:03:41] <judd> Package: python-fife on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.3+r3-3; jessie: 0.3.5-1+b1; stretch: 0.4.0-3+deb9u1
475 [05:04:02] <nyov> looks like sid has 0.4.1 - is that the latest?
476 [05:04:04] <outoftime> nyov: buster have python3-fife
477 [05:04:09] <nyov> ,v python-fife3
478 [05:04:10] <judd> No package named 'python-fife3' was found in amd64.
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481 [05:04:27] <nyov> judd: y u no show buster
482 [05:04:46] <nyov> outoftime: I don't think so?
483 [05:05:05] <outoftime> nyov: replaced-url
484 [05:05:07] <nyov> oh indeed, there it is
485 [05:05:17] <nyov> so? install it
486 [05:06:48] <outoftime> nyov: it have different dependancies with stretch. I can broke existing system... that is what debian-reference sad...
487 [05:07:08] <nyov> hmm, okay
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489 [05:11:25] <n4dir> outoftime: if all you want to do is to a few tests with fife, running those in a debian testing or sid chroot isn't an option for you?
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491 [05:15:05] <outoftime> n4dir: actually, it can work.
492 [05:16:22] <karlpinc> outoftime: The usual way to approach a python problem is to make a virtual enviornment and install the latest python packages in it using pip. (or something)
493 [05:17:16] <outoftime> karlpinc: I now, but it require python3-fife which can be built with cmake replaced-url
494 [05:17:31] <outoftime> karlpinc: have now idea how pip3 will help in this situation
495 [05:18:11] <karlpinc> outoftime: You can also ask in #python if you don't get help here.
496 [05:18:58] <outoftime> karlpinc: I'm sure that is it about how to deal with library, not python.
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504 [05:27:39] <outoftime> karlpinc: I just can not imagine situation where I can miss something after such long term using python. Maybe it is just my pride as python dev, but still.
505 [05:28:03] <nyov> outoftime: want to have a backport for stretch?
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507 [05:31:05] <nyov> hm, perhaps not
508 [05:31:48] <outoftime> nyov: oh, really, thank you for an idea, I've started to read replaced-url
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511 [05:33:38] <nyov> fife depends on the newer version of fifengine, so you need to build both
512 [05:34:02] <nyov> apparently it takes some time as well...
513 [05:34:24] <outoftime> nyov: I need knowladge, I have time.
514 [05:34:39] <nyov> outoftime: well if you want to have a package, it looks like it built okay
515 [05:34:55] <n4dir> !ssb
516 [05:35:08] <n4dir> do : /msg dpkg ssb
517 [05:35:18] <n4dir> like simple sid backport.
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519 [05:36:18] <n4dir> usual approach is to first look in stable-backports if it is there. If it isn't, backport yourself (if possible)
520 [05:36:19] <nyov> how do I use this thing? 'import fife'?
521 [05:38:09] <outoftime> nyov: yes
522 [05:38:13] <nyov> buwäh SWIG bindings
523 [05:38:45] <nyov> import works
524 [05:38:52] <nyov> okay nice waste of time
525 [05:39:02] <nyov> rm *.deb
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527 [05:39:28] <nyov> unless you want the debs...?
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529 [05:40:00] <outoftime> nyov: deb in backports?
530 [05:41:18] <n4dir> outoftime: again, those are two approaches. The one is to look if the package is in debian-stable-backports, the other is to backport yourself (in that case nyov )
531 [05:43:02] <nyov> right. I can't upload backports to the archive. so I just built this locally
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538 [05:51:58] <outoftime> n4dir: replaced-url
539 [05:52:27] <n4dir> yes.
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541 [05:53:02] <n4dir> recommended way to build yourself is to use a chroot, i think, so you might just as well try what i said above.
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547 [06:01:27] <outoftime> n4dir: do you have some sort of a manual about how to do it (chroot into stretch to build *.deb)?
548 [06:01:59] <outoftime> n4dir: I have runned search by source packages replaced-url
549 [06:02:07] <n4dir> outoftime: it's straight forward. go to wiki.debian.net and search for debootstrap
550 [06:02:38] <n4dir> the bot of this channel probably knows too: do /msg dpkg debootstrap (for unknown reasons i can't trigger the bot myself)
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555 [06:03:32] <nyov> this is the easiest way. without using a chroot or buildd
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587 [07:07:33] <themusicgod1> When building a package which I'm trying to create (with debuild -us -uc -b)...lintian reports debian-changelog-file-missing / no-copyright-file ...but both are clearly there. What could I be doing wrong?
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627 [07:40:28] <DocScrutinizer05> ~dstats
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629 [07:41:41] <DocScrutinizer05> meh! please sort issues with apt by querying the bot op you asked to join the bot to your channel (or any other bot operator). A +q on a bot you invited makes no sense
630 [07:42:53] <DocScrutinizer05> I admit it might be tricky to find out who invted apt back in unixtime _time_added => 1071959959
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632 [07:43:38] <themill> um, no. it is there to do a function that does not include talking to you
633 [07:43:39] <DocScrutinizer05> but it defintely had to be a debian chanop or the chan owner
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636 [07:44:45] <DocScrutinizer05> themill: tell me what function that is and I configure the bot so it does what you want
637 [07:45:14] <themill> umm, I don't recognise you as the bot's owner.
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639 [07:45:36] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not the owner
640 [07:45:45] <DocScrutinizer05> just an operator
641 [07:45:52] <DocScrutinizer05> Tim riker is the owner
642 [07:46:04] <jim> maybe that means you can't change things about that bot?
643 [07:46:05] <themill> it should not respond to anything in this channel; it can't, so it is working fine.
644 [07:46:12] <tmg1|wicksell> aha. it's because i overrode install: in 'debian/rules', which must be where the copyright/changelog is put into the correct directory for packing
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646 [07:47:04] <darxmurf> morning
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649 [07:48:04] <themill> (also, you could just talk to us in #debian-ops about this rather than ranting about it)
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672 [08:21:07] <[jasper]> hej guys, I want to install postfixadmin with apt-get .... however my mail server is on a different docker container then my webserver.
673 [08:21:20] <[jasper]> how can I only install postfixadmin without getting all the extra stuff like postfix itself?
674 [08:21:59] <rant> ,depends postfixadmin
675 [08:22:01] <judd> Package postfixadmin in stretch/amd64 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5), dbconfig-common, replaced-url
676 [08:22:38] <rant> I'm not seeing where it depends on postfix
677 [08:22:51] <jelly> [jasper]: --no-install-recommends
678 [08:22:53] <rant> seems it only depends on things it actually needs to operate
679 [08:23:20] <[jasper]> thanks!
680 [08:23:23] <rant> is apt-get pulling recommends now too?
681 [08:23:32] <[jasper]> rant what do you mean? it doess install extra packages when I try to install it
682 [08:23:35] <rant> or are you using apt and when you said apt-get
683 [08:23:49] <rant> [jasper]: your question said "apt-get" not "apt"
684 [08:24:12] <themill> apt-get has installed recommended packages for about a decade
685 [08:24:27] <jelly> treachery!
686 [08:24:32] <rant> hmm.. goes to show how much I pay attention
687 [08:24:34] <rant> heh
688 [08:24:52] <Haohmaru> i guess that applies for synaptic too?
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691 [08:25:18] <[jasper]> rant: replaced-url
692 [08:25:20] <jelly> (and mod-php probably should not be the first choice in php APIs in stretch)
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695 [08:26:01] <rant> ,recommends postfixadmin
696 [08:26:02] <judd> Package postfixadmin in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: postfix-mysql | postfix-pgsql, virtual-mysql-server | postgresql | sqlite (>= 3.12.0), mariadb-server, zendframework, dovecot-core | courier-authlib-mysql | courier-authlib-postgresql, php-cli.
697 [08:27:22] <[jasper]> judd thatÅ› indeed what i see when I add --no-install-recommends to the command
698 [08:28:02] <[jasper]> I still don't really see how it would depend on a virtual-mysql-server but I guess I don't really mind installing that either
699 [08:28:04] <rant> I tried php once but it left me feeling like my face was melting, and everything looked like a kalidescope..
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701 [08:28:21] <jelly> [jasper]: aptitude might act stmarter than apt-get
702 [08:28:54] <jelly> [jasper]: the relevant option is -R or --without-recommends there
703 [08:29:25] <jelly> judd is just a bot
704 [08:29:28] <[jasper]> oh funny. I always thought those were kind of the same tools but the aptitude being a little smarter keeping track of things
705 [08:29:36] <jelly> judd: botsnack
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711 [08:30:32] <[jasper]> :p
712 [08:30:34] <jelly> I mean it may act smarter in this particular case. It figures dependencies out in a slightly different way
713 [08:30:40] <rant> [jasper]: apt, apt-get / apt-cache, aptitude, dselect, dpkg, etc are all totally different tools
714 [08:31:44] <[jasper]> jelly, I think Iḿ happy with apt-get install --no-install-recommends postfixadmin . This installs the following: libc-client2007e mlock php-imap php7.0-imap postfixadmin replaced-url
715 [08:31:50] <[jasper]> which sounds about right
716 [08:32:00] <[jasper]> thanks for the help guys!
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719 [08:33:13] <rant> o.O thats a horrible name for that package.. libc-client2007e
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722 [08:34:14] <rant> granted the devs seem to be calling it a "c-client library" which is stupid in and of itself.. but still..
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727 [08:35:49] <rant> they should've went with something more conventional like libuwimap-cclient or something
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730 [08:36:08] <rant> makes me think its part of libc when I see that name
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741 [08:45:23] <jelly> I had a similar reaction 20 years ago when I first saw uw-imap's library name
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746 [08:47:36] <jelly> however that means it's been "c-client" for 20+ years now and is probably not going to change
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749 [08:49:30] <rant> oh well.. thats them damn seattle folk for ya..
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789 [09:13:14] <anzipex> How to print installed package name and version of that package in one line?
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793 [09:15:05] <BCMM> anzipex: in this scenario, what do you already know about the package? i mean, is the package name your input here?
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798 [09:16:23] <anzipex> It's installed deb, so i can see it like: dpkg --get-selections | grep mypackage
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801 [09:16:46] <BCMM> anzipex: i mean, do you want something different from `dpkg -l packagename`?
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809 [09:19:40] <anzipex> Well, i see that `dpkg -l packagename` shows me name, version, architecture and description
810 [09:19:58] <anzipex> How to print only package name and version from this?
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812 [09:20:38] <anzipex> I guess i need something like awk
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816 [09:22:23] <rant> anzipex: dpkg -l | grep libc6 | awk '{print $2 " " $3}'
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819 [09:23:07] <anzipex> Thanks, that's what i needed :)
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828 [09:33:59] <jelly> rant: what's wrong with dpkg -l libc6
829 [09:34:57] <jelly> or dpkg -s libc6
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834 [09:36:48] <jelly> anzipex: slightly safer: dpkg -l packagename | tail -n1 | awk ...
835 [09:37:35] <rant> well the tail thing wont work with multiarch for one thing :P
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852 [09:45:35] <anzipex> jelly, i guess tail -n1 prints only 1 coincidence
853 [09:46:17] <jelly> just the last line, yes. dpkg -l foo can have more than one result on multiarch-enabled systems.
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857 [09:47:08] <jelly> and it always shows the header
858 [09:48:01] <jelly> omit it and see what happens
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879 [09:55:47] <anzipex> It prints all packages specified in grep
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1009 [11:36:39] <mjkr> any chance replaced-url
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1016 [11:43:09] <themill> highly unlikely from what I've seen -- not enough people care about doing the icky work to fix the bugs
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1097 [12:45:07] <[jasper]> hej guys, when I use apt-get install could it be that it makes use of environment variables I've before?
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1105 [12:47:11] <[jasper]> ok already found it!
1106 [12:47:19] <gst568923> hi guys I have a problem with Debian Stretch regarding vainfo and i965-va-driver
1107 [12:48:06] <gst568923> replaced-url
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1112 [12:51:58] <gst568923> the current packages are been removed: libvdpau-va-gl1, vdpau-driver-all, mesa-va-drivers, va-driver-all
1113 [12:52:32] <petn-randall> gst568923: nouveau is the driver for nvidia cards, seems as though you're doing something wrong.
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1116 [12:53:09] <petn-randall> gst568923: Let's start with the following: What are you trying to do, what steps did you take to accomplish it, what results did you get, and what did you expect instead?
1117 [12:53:17] <gst568923> petn-randall I have 2 GPU card: Nvdia GT 705 and Intel HD Graphics
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1120 [12:54:32] <gst568923> petn-randall I would like use Intel Video Hardware Acceleration because Nvidia GT 705 require a blob firmware that not work fine
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1122 [12:55:34] <gst568923> petn-randall Yesterday I have talked with mpv team and they says that is a problem of Debian package
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1125 [12:57:07] <petn-randall> gst568923: What CPU are you running? Do you know if you have "optimus" hybrid graphics?
1126 [12:57:57] <gst568923> petn-randall Quad core Intel Core i5-4460 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
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1128 [12:58:16] <regdude> Debian has packages like "harden-tools", is there a way to find exactly what is in them?
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1133 [12:58:56] <petn-randall> regdude: If you run 'dpkg -L <package>', it will list the files contained in that package. It needs to be installed, though.
1134 [12:59:23] <petn-randall> regdude: If you don't have it installed, you can run 'apt-file show <package>' to list it.
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1138 [13:02:41] <gst568923> petn-randall my pc is a dell inspiron 3847 and that is the specs of video card:
1139 [13:02:48] <regdude> petn-randall: thanks! that should give me a clue what it does
1140 [13:02:50] <gst568923> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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1143 [13:04:16] <petn-randall> gst568923: Ah, so it's a Desktop. And it has different video output connectors for integrated graphics, and the video card, right?
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1145 [13:04:51] <gst568923> petn-randall the command inxi return me:
1146 [13:04:57] <gst568923> Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller Card-2: NVIDIA GF119 [GeForce GT 705]
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1153 [13:06:15] <gst568923> petn-randall the video monitor connector are: VGA into motherboard and VGA/DVI into Nvidia GF119, I have connected the monitor into DVI
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1155 [13:07:22] <petn-randall> gst568923: If the monitor is connected to the nvidia graphics card, you need to use the nvidia driver, as the integrated graphics card cannot output video via the nvidia card.
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1157 [13:10:17] <gst568923> petn-randall If I force in bashrc export LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 export VDPAU_DRIVER=va_gl this is the output: replaced-url
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1159 [13:10:47] <gst568923> petn-randall Debian version is 9.5
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1171 [13:21:11] <gst568923> ?
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1173 [13:21:51] <petn-randall> gst568923: Did you read my last message?
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1176 [13:24:57] <petn-randall> gst568923: If you want to use the DVI output from the nvidia card, you need to use that driver. If you want to use the intel output, you need to plug the monitor into your mainboard.
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1180 [13:26:48] <gst568923> petn-randall I understand, can I use intel video decoding and redirect the output to the nvidia card via vaapi-copy?
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1182 [13:28:27] <gst568923> petn-randall I read a bit on the web and I have found VDPAU backend VAAPI but I don't understand fine what means
1183 [13:29:20] <jelly> gst568923: how does nvidia + firmware + vdpau for decoding fail?
1184 [13:29:44] <jelly> (on other words, why even bother with intel)
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1186 [13:31:21] <gst568923> jelly I tryed to extract firmware blog for NVD9 with this tool replaced-url
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1188 [13:32:39] <jelly> gst568923: when I had nvidia there was a way to slice it out of unpacked nvidia-installer files
1189 [13:33:34] <jelly> gst568923: NVD9 is a LOT newer than NV84-NV98 those scripts are supposed to be used with
1190 [13:34:09] <jelly> gst568923: replaced-url
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1192 [13:34:25] <gst568923> with that tool I was able to extract the firmware blob of an old version of the nvidia drivers, the latest driver version is not supported by that tool, so I tried (with the version "340.32") to insert in / lib / firmware but they give problems to the point that debian freeze
1193 [13:36:38] <jelly> sorry. replaced-url
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1195 [13:36:59] <jelly> but right, if it fails with newer versions, try to ask in #nouveau for help with that
1196 [13:38:59] <jelly> gst568923: which specific firmware files does your card want? My GT720 used to work well with files extracted way back in 2015
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1216 [13:55:03] <gst568923> jelly for extracting firmware you have used demmio?
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1219 [13:57:49] <jelly> gst568923: no, I used the script and nvidia-driver files, way back when
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1224 [14:00:28] <gst568923> jelly If the firmware extraction should fail, can I use vaapi-copy or vaapi?
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1228 [14:08:44] <gst568923> nouveau have a VAAPI built-in?
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1230 [14:11:26] <gst568923> should I reinstall mesa-va-drivers and libvdpau-va-gl1?
1231 [14:11:44] <beardy> !why is libpam-ssh-agent-auth not in testing
1232 [14:11:44] <dpkg> libpam-ssh-agent-auth is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
1233 [14:11:48] <gst568923> because mpv team says me to remove it
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1240 [14:17:20] <hexhaxtron> Can someone suggest me an alternative to cPanel?
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1251 [14:21:48] <Antares_> replaced-url
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1256 [14:24:46] <petn-randall> Antares_: Wrong channel?
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1291 [14:51:22] <karlpinc> hexhaxtron: All those web sysadm interfaces suck.
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1295 [14:53:36] <jelly> hexhaxtron: plesk?
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1299 [14:53:44] <karlpinc> hexhaxtron: You have to translate what they are doing into what the underllying daemons etc really need. This just adds another layer of complication on top of what you already need to understand. Plus there's never a way to add comments to record why you setup things as you did, unlike with config files, and so it's inevitably harder to work with as time goes forward.
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1302 [14:54:02] <jelly> hexhaxtron: are you prepared to pay money for it?
1303 [14:54:51] <darxmurf> jelly sorry to disturb again, you can maybe help a bit with this admin user config on my samba stuff ?
1304 [14:55:02] <jelly> karlpinc: "never a way to add comments" this is why you DOCUMENT things
1305 [14:55:14] <darxmurf> and how to add a user in the "BUILTIN\Administrators" group ?
1306 [14:55:14] <jelly> darxmurf: I'm not the right person for samba
1307 [14:55:34] <darxmurf> damn, nobody is the right person for samba ^^
1308 [14:55:48] <jelly> people in #samba channel might be
1309 [14:56:30] <darxmurf> well, I'm on it ^^
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1314 [14:58:31] <its_Mansoor> jelly suggest you to discuss in forums about SAMBA, about adding user to a usergroup, simplest way is using this command: "adduser username groupename"
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1320 [15:00:18] <jelly> its_Mansoor: darxmurf is asking about it, not me
1321 [15:00:46] <darxmurf> its_Mansoor: it's a bit more complicated as this server is an AD domain member and configured with kerberos and ldap...
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1326 [15:03:25] <jelly> then you ask you Enterprise Admin or Domain Admin to add it I guess
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1329 [15:03:56] <its_Mansoor> darxmurf then i'm not the guy who can help you LOL, spend little time on wiki and forum instead of irc, that would be much more helpful
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1331 [15:04:09] <anzipex> How to make dpkg-deb -I for all packages in folder?
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1334 [15:04:38] <anzipex> Something like: dpkg-deb -I /media/usb/*.deb
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1339 [15:06:51] <its_Mansoor> anzipex did you tried "for file in *.deb; do unrar e $file; done" ?
1340 [15:07:08] <themill> umm
1341 [15:07:20] <themill> anzipex: what are you wanting to achieve?
1342 [15:07:44] <its_Mansoor> anzipex sorry wrong command, i've wrote that for a unrar process and just replaced rar with deb, gimme a minute
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1345 [15:09:38] <its_Mansoor> anzipex this one should work "for file in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -I $file; done"
1346 [15:09:40] <anzipex> I just need to get all Package names in folder
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1349 [15:10:34] <its_Mansoor> note: you have to navigate to that path first, then run the command
1350 [15:10:58] <anzipex> That's what i needed
1351 [15:10:59] <anzipex> Thanks
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1353 [15:11:41] <its_Mansoor> yw
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1358 [15:13:04] <themill> anzipex: -W might be more useful than -I btw
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1363 [15:14:34] <anzipex> Hm.. Okay
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1370 [15:16:23] <dyl0n> hi
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1373 [15:17:38] <darxmurf> hi dyl0n
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1375 [15:18:27] <ppettina> hi guys!
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1377 [15:19:02] <ppettina> see: replaced-url
1378 [15:19:03] <ppettina> does anyone know why "pie" is disabled from the hardening options in the python3.6 package?
1379 [15:19:15] <ppettina> (or, who/where to ask)
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1383 [15:21:29] <themill> I have a recollection of that causing segfaults
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1394 [15:24:29] <jelly> ,v python3.6
1395 [15:24:30] <judd> Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.6-1; sid: 3.6.7~rc2-1
1396 [15:24:34] <jelly> ,v python3.7
1397 [15:24:35] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.1~rc2-1
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1410 [15:36:18] <ppettina> thanks themill, any chances of that being reassessed?
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1412 [15:37:26] <ppettina> (have raised a bug: replaced-url
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1416 [15:38:28] <themill> ppettina: some rationale as to why this is a good change to make would be worth including in that bug
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1419 [15:39:14] <themill> I'm not sure if testing to show that loading non-pie extensions still works would also be needed
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1421 [15:39:54] <themill> You're probably also more interested in python3.7 btw
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1425 [15:40:13] <ppettina> FYI python3 on Ubuntu Yakkety was shipped with PIE --- if relevant
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1430 [15:41:57] <themill> I thought it had the same maintainer
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1432 [15:42:51] <ppettina> indeed, at some point hardening with PIE became default, and I guess later was disabled upstream by doko?
1433 [15:43:20] <themill> looks that way
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1473 [16:11:28] <bolovanos> hithere
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1477 [16:14:25] <bolovanos> I would like to install monitoring/graphing tool (network, system, output html) on Deb 9. Is there something apt-get fast with free sources?
1478 [16:14:44] <bolovanos> I was about to install cacti - but it's non-free and long way to setup...
1479 [16:14:52] <bolovanos> what would you suggest?
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1482 [16:18:08] <nyov> bolovanos: netdata might fit those specs
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1485 [16:19:49] <nyov> package is netdata
1486 [16:19:55] <nyov> examples @ replaced-url
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1488 [16:21:41] <bolovanos> nyov, looks usable, thank you!
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1490 [16:23:59] <bolovanos> nyov, btw - by looking at demo - is it only realtime, or is there a chance to choos time frame?
1491 [16:24:01] <nyov> of course there are tons more. so doing some research is probably best
1492 [16:24:48] <bolovanos> yes there are (going through replaced-url
1493 [16:26:04] <nyov> if you are on the demo-site, you can hover over the graphs to see a point in time measurement. drag and scroll for time-frames
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1528 [16:46:17] <emucla> bolovanos this may help you -> replaced-url
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1534 [16:48:27] <jelly> bolovanos: how many machines do you plan to manage?
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1536 [16:48:38] <jelly> 1, 10, 1000?
1537 [16:48:58] <bolovanos> emucla, neat, thank you :)
1538 [16:49:09] <bolovanos> jelly, at this moment just 1
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1555 [16:56:58] <jelly> bolovanos: look at something like monit, then
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1557 [16:57:49] <jelly> sorry, munin, not monit
1558 [16:58:03] <jelly> bolovanos: ^
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1584 [17:09:18] <filipdevuan_> hey im trying to use apt-get install but i get these errors even from root dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
1585 [17:09:18] <filipdevuan_> dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
1586 [17:09:18] <dpkg> filipdevuan_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1587 [17:09:29] <filipdevuan_> dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
1588 [17:09:30] <dpkg> filipdevuan_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1589 [17:09:35] <filipdevuan_> dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
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1593 [17:11:24] <greycat> filipdevuan_: Sounds like you are not using Debian stable. Please note that the 'su' command changed behavior in buster. It doesn't add /sbin and /usr/sbin to PATH any more. You have to do that yourself now. THANKS, RED HAT.
1594 [17:12:08] <filipdevuan_> oh great
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1597 [17:12:56] <filipdevuan_> so how am i supposed to add myself into sudoers group if adduser command not available
1598 [17:13:20] <greycat> PATH=/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin
1599 [17:13:43] <greycat> ought to be sufficient for 99% of cases
1600 [17:14:26] <bolovanos> jelly, that was a hit - up and running. Thank you!
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1602 [17:14:41] <filipdevuan_> fil is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
1603 [17:15:06] <jelly> filipdevuan_: you wouldn't by any chance by running Devuan instead of Debian would you?
1604 [17:15:06] <filipdevuan_> oh gosh im so fed up with this fking computers!!!! i wanna play diablo 3 and i have optimus graphics card. on devuan i have got problems with setting bumblebee up
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1606 [17:15:14] <filipdevuan_> here i have got problems with su and apt-get
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1608 [17:15:19] <jelly> just askin
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1610 [17:15:28] <filipdevuan_> manjaro and other have google DNS im fed up
1611 [17:16:04] <filipdevuan_> what distro can i use that won't piss me off all the time, windows 10 pisses me off too!!!
1612 [17:16:23] <jelly> optimus is the real problem, not distros
1613 [17:16:31] <filipdevuan_> i used devuan and id use it if there wasnt optimus in my fking laptop
1614 [17:16:31] <greycat> Well the obvious question is, why did you use a non-stable Debian?
1615 [17:16:41] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: Maybe you should pay someone to take care of your computer problems? If you really don't have any time to fix it?
1616 [17:16:46] <filipdevuan_> iv read on winehq that diablo 3 works gold on it
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1618 [17:16:57] <filipdevuan_> well is there any command to downgrade back to 9??
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1621 [17:17:03] <petn-randall> !downgrade
1622 [17:17:04] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
1623 [17:17:17] <jelly> filipdevuan_: short answer: no
1624 [17:17:21] <filipdevuan_> ok
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1627 [17:17:50] <filipdevuan_> hmm so if there is something not okay with 10 buster i guess its gonna be stable debian soon and in the future 9 wont be supported by debian anymore
1628 [17:17:50] <filipdevuan_> ?
1629 [17:18:19] <greycat> Probably not for another 6-10 months.
1630 [17:18:30] <greycat> !buster freeze
1631 [17:18:30] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see replaced-url
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1634 [17:20:05] <filipdevuan_> yeah i should blame myself that i bought dual graphics card but how could i have known that its such a pain here on gnu linux why nobody told me
1635 [17:20:07] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: Debian 9 will still be supported for at least a year after 10 is released, likely 5 years more if the LTS team picks up the work as they have done in the last two releases.
1636 [17:20:29] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: Did you ask anyone before buying it?
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1641 [17:20:52] <filipdevuan_> well nobody asked me if i wanna windows 10 with laptop ;/
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1644 [17:21:26] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: So you're complaining that nobody told you, even though you never asked?
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1650 [17:22:45] <filipdevuan_> im complaining that i have problems with playing diablo 3 on my laptop while windows 10 and arch distros are too convenient ;/
1651 [17:23:03] <filipdevuan_> id like to use debian not arch or m$
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1656 [17:24:18] <jelly> depending on your card, kernel and mesa versions and the phase of the moon, nouveau MIGHT work on testing or unstable right now
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1659 [17:25:06] <jelly> maybe if I buy that Thinkpad 25 I can get some experience with optimus
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1663 [17:27:57] <GroovyNoodle> test
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1667 [17:28:26] <jelly> GroovyNoodle: test failed
1668 [17:28:28] <filipdevuan_> don't bother this optimus is pain in the ***. i like devuan very much and winehq runs smoothly and everything but i have very big problems with setting the bumblebee and primus up and i just cant use my geforce on there!!!! that drives me insane
1669 [17:29:02] <filipdevuan_> i think im gonna reinstall this debian again later and get back to 9
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1674 [17:29:43] <filipdevuan_> but if its not gonna be supported because of 10 and i cant add myself to sudoers and i get bugs while using apt-get using su then i just dont know whats really going on with the world of gnu linux
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1676 [17:29:45] <GroovyNoodle> haha oops!
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1679 [17:30:50] <filipdevuan_> im just pissed off very much that i have something like nvidia geforce that i cant use on any distro without installing damn bumblebee
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1682 [17:31:07] <greycat> Debian 9 support will almost certainly continue for a few years after buster's release.
1683 [17:31:11] <filipdevuan_> so i end up using laptop with just intel integrated card and i overpaid
1684 [17:32:03] <filipdevuan_> another bollocks is that this nvidia geforce on this gaycer laptop fking overheats ***** junk stole my money
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1686 [17:32:56] <filipdevuan_> yeah sorry im just fed up with everything and another thing is google i installed manjaro and it has everything running out of a box
1687 [17:33:14] <filipdevuan_> and it has google in dns by default and i deleted it and system stopped running
1688 [17:33:41] <greycat> Install a simple resolver, and set your nameserver to 127.0.0.1. Done.
1689 [17:33:43] <filipdevuan_> so it seems like i cant really use this nvidia geforce without avoiding any **** corporates
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1692 [17:34:06] <filipdevuan_> is a resolver like a software??
1693 [17:34:11] <greycat> :rolleyes:
1694 [17:34:31] <jelly> it's a piece of software that makes dns work, yes
1695 [17:34:36] <filipdevuan_> btw does have red hat to do with debian 10???
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1697 [17:34:44] <filipdevuan_> what does*
1698 [17:34:47] <jelly> ?
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1700 [17:34:48] <greycat> Debian's su behavior was changed to match that of Red HAt.
1701 [17:34:57] <filipdevuan_> why??
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1703 [17:35:13] <greycat> Fucked if I know. There are mailing list threads but of course we're all just guessing.
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1706 [17:35:39] <greycat> The real question is why the hell do Red Hat users put up with that?
1707 [17:35:49] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: You do understand that Debian 10 is not released, and there are still a lot of library migrations going on, so there is no guarantee for things to work? Because that's the whole purpose of a pre-release suite, to test things and report and fix bugs.
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1710 [17:36:44] <filipdevuan_> no sorry i don't understand actually. :P well yeah ill get back to debian 9 and hopefully everything's gonna be okay... i shouldnt have done dist-upgrade
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1715 [17:38:38] <filipdevuan_> i had arch-antergos before and it was quite okay but my battery was running low after like 30 minutes (apparently because it was on nvidia card) while devuan lasts for like 3 hours
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1717 [17:38:55] <filipdevuan_> is it easy to resolve dns then
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1719 [17:39:12] <filipdevuan_> and btw why debian uses gnome???
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1721 [17:39:18] <filipdevuan_> isnt gnome red hat??
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1725 [17:40:27] <greycat> GNOME is not tied to a specific distribution, but many of the GNOME developers are also Ubuntu developers, I think. Maybe? I don't know, don't really care.
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1731 [17:42:42] <filipdevuan_> okay sorry for ranting here on the irc, im just trying different distros all the time and i was able to run bumblebee before on devuan but now im having some problems for some reason ;/
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1733 [17:43:27] <filipdevuan_> anyways i have to go now so have a nice day to you all :)
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1742 [17:47:03] <jelly> gnome and fdo is more a redhat thing than ubuntu
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1786 [18:13:05] <pagetelegram> I installed "gobi_loader" on a deb8 and at # 'gobi_loader' command not found.
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1794 [18:16:49] <jelly> pagetelegram: use dpkg -L gobi_loader to see package contents.
1795 [18:17:00] <jelly> !README.Debian
1796 [18:17:00] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
1797 [18:17:39] <jelly> it is somewhat unlikely the package name has an _ character.
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1802 [18:18:17] <jelly> use the correct package name, pagetelegram
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1808 [18:21:35] <pagetelegram> It is called gobi_loader in the package manager. And references to it's execution is by same name. hmmm. Reinstaleld and still no such command
1809 [18:22:11] <greycat> ,file gobi_loader
1810 [18:22:16] <judd> Search for gobi_loader in stretch/amd64: gobi-loader: lib/udev/gobi_loader
1811 [18:22:21] <jelly> pagetelegram: run "apt-cache search gobi loader"
1812 [18:22:54] <jelly> that will show package names and short descriptions
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1814 [18:23:32] <jelly> and the judd bot says it has a dash in the name, not an underscore
1815 [18:23:58] <jhutchins_wk> Aren't underscores not allowed in package names?
1816 [18:24:13] <jelly> correct
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1821 [18:25:57] <pagetelegram> I am wondering if it is not in system path. I come from as a DOS user so I do not know how paths are handled in Deb systems or maybe I need to set attribute to executable?
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1823 [18:26:56] <pagetelegram> gobi-loader is the correct name....I mistaken for underscore. Still command is not found.
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1827 [18:28:18] <jhutchins_wk> pagetelegram: Have you checked for a manpage, or /usr/share/doc?
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1832 [18:29:41] <jhutchins_wk> pagetelegram: The file judd found would not be an executable program, but a system library.
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1835 [18:31:12] <pagetelegram> It is not in Man pages nor in the user/share/doc
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1839 [18:32:55] <jelly> ,file gobi-loader/README.Debian
1840 [18:32:59] <judd> Search for gobi-loader/README.Debian in stretch/amd64: gobi-loader: usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
1841 [18:33:07] <jelly> petn-randall: read /usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
1842 [18:33:19] <jelly> pagetelegram: read /usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
1843 [18:33:49] <jelly> install the package named "gobi-loader" before that, if it does not exist
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1861 [18:43:23] <katerino> I was trying to add a custom keyboard layout to Debian and instead of getting an extra layout option in settings like the guides online said would happen, that particular settings tab is greyed out.
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1864 [18:44:30] <katerino> I made a custom layout text file for X11/xkb/symbols/, then I added it to X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml.
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1866 [18:44:47] <katerino> Well, I mean I added the data about it to that xml file.
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1871 [18:45:27] <pagetelegram> Ok, I do not want to install Wine, is there a deb tool to unzip an exe like the Windows Legroom freeware tool?
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1873 [18:45:46] <pagetelegram> Something liek Unviersal extractor but for Deb?
1874 [18:46:41] <tradar> idk maybe 7zip
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1877 [18:48:01] <pagetelegram> cli level dtrx does this. Thanks
1878 [18:48:37] <katerino> Oof, I also did a possibly stupid thing and hit the only un-grey button in the keyboard layout settings tab, the default button. So now my keyboard settings are all reset.
1879 [18:48:52] <katerino> But I can't go back and change them again because of said greyness.
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1883 [18:50:19] <dazo> Hey, anyone know anything about the various freeze dates for the next big Debian update (Buster)? ... In the OpenVPN community we're working on the v2.5 release planning, and we want to see if we can manage to get that into the next Debian release ... so we're wondering what kind of time windows we need to target
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1885 [18:50:51] <greycat> !buster freeze
1886 [18:50:52] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see replaced-url
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1891 [18:52:06] <dazo> thx! Are there any docs which explains better what is allowed to change after these freeze dates?
1892 [18:52:15] <dazo> or rather, during those freeze dates
1893 [18:53:45] <greycat> There's a *tiny* bit of explanation of the different freeze phases on replaced-url
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1895 [18:53:58] <greycat> Presumably the buster freeze will follow the same pattern.
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1899 [18:57:03] <dazo> thx! I'll dive into that .... we will try to have a beta release ready right before Christmas .... but the RC would closer to the end of January and we could probably time the final release to right before the last hard date in Debian
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1904 [19:00:19] <dazo> how I understand it, and I might be too optimistic, we need to have the full release ready by 2019-02-12 (soft-freeze date)
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1926 [19:11:08] <jak2000> how to copy files but not overwrite if file exist, with cp command
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1928 [19:11:36] <JustASlacker> -n
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1930 [19:11:46] <JustASlacker> -n, --no-clobber
1931 [19:11:46] <JustASlacker> do not overwrite an existing file (overrides a previous -i
1932 [19:11:46] <JustASlacker> option)
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1934 [19:12:35] <jak2000> ok, thanks
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1954 [19:28:48] <clasick> if I install an application through .deb, how do I update it?
1955 [19:29:25] <greycat> by getting a newer .deb from the same source as the first one
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1965 [19:33:27] <RandomSerb> what's the difference between cd and dvd installation image, when downloading?
1966 [19:33:38] <greycat> the size
1967 [19:33:45] <RandomSerb> greycat: except the size?
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1969 [19:34:05] <greycat> that's literally it. the DVD images are bigger, and therefore have more (stale) packages on them that need to be updated after installation.
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1971 [19:34:57] <spackle259> RandomSerb: DVD images are ment for people wanting to live in the cave. All the packages that you would often install using apt would come preinstalled
1972 [19:35:33] <RandomSerb> spackle259: not for me probably. so, basically less bloatware, or what one may consider bloatware
1973 [19:35:34] <RandomSerb> ?
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1977 [19:36:29] <RandomSerb> also, this is the first time I'm installing debian. Do you have any suggestions for partition sizes/formats? I've 120gb SSD
1978 [19:36:31] <spackle259> RandomSerb: unlike windows linux doesnt really have crap popping out everywhere.. all it will do is have additional softwares that you may never touch.. i would instead just get the net version
1979 [19:36:38] <RandomSerb> and 2tb hdd
1980 [19:36:48] <spackle259> RandomSerb: cos you can choose your packages later down the line..
1981 [19:37:07] <spackle259> RandomSerb: I like keeping my root pertion seperate from home
1982 [19:37:24] <spackle259> RandomSerb: its easier when you are expanding or need more space for your home directory
1983 [19:37:43] <spackle259> RandomSerb: its also easier down the line if you ever want to jump ship or want to try a different os
1984 [19:38:30] <RandomSerb> yeah, makes sense. I'm probably not going to go for change. I've been using ubuntu for last 10 years, and it's becoming more and more awful.
1985 [19:38:40] <RandomSerb> particularly desktop environments
1986 [19:38:46] <clasick> greycat: does isntalling through .deb make packages show up through apt list?
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1990 [19:39:58] <spackle259> clasick: yep
1991 [19:40:05] <clasick> spackle259: oh nice
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1993 [19:40:51] <greycat> clasick: it would show up in dpkg's output, since dpkg is the lower level tool. Apt would not know about it.
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1995 [19:41:14] <spackle259> clasick: Just tested mine...packages i installed using apt can show up.
1996 [19:41:19] <spackle259> greycat: are you sure?
1997 [19:41:21] <greycat> Well, I guess "apt policy" would show it, but that's not much.
1998 [19:41:39] <greycat> spackle259: you said "using apt". *HE* said "from .deb".
1999 [19:41:47] <spackle259> greycat: also you could use apt to install deb packages too that you downloaded using your browser
2000 [19:42:06] <spackle259> greycat: example... apt install ./package.deb
2001 [19:42:23] <greycat> Right, that will install the package and its dependencies, one time.
2002 [19:42:36] <greycat> It will not allow the retrieving of updates, which was his question.
2003 [19:42:44] <spackle259> greycat: thats true
2004 [19:43:07] <clasick> okay, so the difference is that if I install using dpkg -i then it won't show up on apt's list but doing it on apt install ./package.deb will make it show up on both?
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2006 [19:43:33] <greycat> *SIGH*
2007 [19:43:40] <greycat> Just ... just do it and see.
2008 [19:43:47] <clasick> greycat: ok, got it
2009 [19:43:57] <spackle259> lol
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2031 [19:54:40] <project2501a> is there a debian scientific computing / bioinformatics channel?
2032 [19:54:46] <project2501a> (hi by the way! :)
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2036 [19:56:01] <RandomSerb> which usb creator supports that setting where you can choose old mode for boot?
2037 [19:56:42] <RandomSerb> I know only that if I create it certain way, it won't recognize my usb. if I switch that setting, it works properly. something related to old computers
2038 [19:56:51] <RandomSerb> most likely motherboards
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2040 [19:57:04] <spackle259> RandomSerb: You are talking about legasy system and ufed or something
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2042 [19:57:22] <RandomSerb> spackle259: exactly
2043 [19:57:23] <spackle259> RandomSerb: So whats your question exactly?
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2045 [19:57:41] <RandomSerb> do you know which windows usb creator allows me to change that setting?
2046 [19:57:47] <spackle259> RandomSerb: you have to be careful cos its based on the iso you are trying to create the image for
2047 [19:58:03] <RandomSerb> spackle259: what do you mean it's based on the iso?
2048 [19:58:09] <spackle259> RandomSerb: for debian you can use rufs i believe. let me look it up
2049 [19:58:10] <nyov> project2501a: i thinks so
2050 [19:58:25] <spackle259> RandomSerb: Rufus
2051 [19:58:32] <RandomSerb> yeah!
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2053 [19:58:35] <RandomSerb> that's the one I used
2054 [19:58:36] <RandomSerb> thanks!
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2056 [19:58:47] <Luyin> hi there, I'm trying to install debian stretch via usb stick onto an HPE Proliant Microserver Gen10. I think I'm not reaching the image, as I'm shown a shell that seems to belong to EFI. I've configured the BIOS to boot from USB first, but it doesn't seem to work
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2059 [19:59:13] <spackle259> You need to change your settings and if you have secure boot enable you have to disable that
2060 [19:59:19] <spackle259> Luyin: read the previous message
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2062 [19:59:41] <nyov> project2501a: #debian-science maybe
2063 [19:59:44] <Luyin> spackle259: which previous message?
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2065 [19:59:49] <nyov> project2501a: for a list, see replaced-url
2066 [19:59:56] <spackle259> You need to change your settings and if you have secure boot enable you have to disable that
2067 [19:59:57] <Luyin> spackle259: "change your settings"? could you be more specific which settings?
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2069 [20:00:29] <spackle259> Luyin: replaced-url
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2073 [20:01:11] <spackle259> Luyin: replaced-url
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2075 [20:01:28] <RandomSerb> Luyin: what do you mean by it does not work? won't boot from USB?
2076 [20:01:52] <spackle259> Luyin: And also it also matters how you make your image. cos debian specially says not to use livelinux and some other ones because they change the original image
2077 [20:02:08] <spackle259> Luyin: Corrupt it i mean
2078 [20:03:11] <Luyin> spackle259: I think I used dd to move the image to the usb drive
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2080 [20:03:51] <spackle259> Luyin: that works too.. i would make sure the secure boot is switched off. legacy support is enabled
2081 [20:04:01] <spackle259> Luyin: fast boot disabled
2082 [20:04:24] <spackle259> Luyin: UEFI boot disabled
2083 [20:04:35] <Luyin> RandomSerb: well I can reach "boot menu" and see three entries relating to my usb device: image replaced-url
2084 [20:04:44] <Luyin> spackle259: ok, I'll check that again. hang on
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2090 [20:09:37] <Luyin> hmm, now I get this: replaced-url
2091 [20:10:41] <spackle259> Luyin: Its possible
2092 [20:10:47] <Luyin> damn
2093 [20:10:55] <Luyin> I'll try the usb stick on a notebook to make sure it works
2094 [20:11:10] <spackle259> Luyin: good idea
2095 [20:11:50] <Luyin> hm... how do I shut down the server from that ^ screen?
2096 [20:11:55] <Luyin> is there some magic? :D
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2105 [20:17:58] <RandomSerb> Luyin: if you've physical access to the machine, just press power button
2106 [20:18:09] <Luyin> hmm okay
2107 [20:18:11] <Luyin> yes I have
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2114 [20:21:04] <rant> this isn't really important, but I been wondering if anyone might know if when using a luks encrypted rootfs if the system has logs of failed attempts on unlocking the rootfs..
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2126 [20:30:20] <Luyin> On a Linux machine, simply use the "cp" command, to copy an image to a USB flash drive << wtf. not dd?
2127 [20:30:30] <greycat> they both do the same thing
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2129 [20:31:21] <Luyin> hmmm I always thought dd "unpacks" the stuff in the iso properly or something
2130 [20:31:47] <Luyin> because when you simply copy it, you have a drive with one file, being the debian-1.2.3.iso, on it. and when you use dd, you get a bunch of files and directories
2131 [20:31:55] <greycat> No, it just copies bytes from one place to another. The only real "advantage" of dd is that you can tell it how many bytes to copy at a time (block size).
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2133 [20:32:11] <Luyin> oh okay
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2135 [20:32:32] <greycat> It's not dd that reveals the internal structure. It's mounting that does that.
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2142 [20:36:09] <RandomSerb> hi again. spackle259 it won't boot into usb
2143 [20:36:13] <RandomSerb> not sure why, though
2144 [20:36:19] <RandomSerb> I used rufus
2145 [20:36:49] <RandomSerb> perhaps I should've used dd mode instead of bios?
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2162 [20:48:09] <nyov> jelly: how did you manage to get killed :p
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2178 [21:00:06] <spackle259> Randy: was away from station for a bit... what did you use before?
2179 [21:00:23] <spackle259> Randy: sorry was ment for RandomSerb
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2191 [21:07:46] <RandomSerb> and yeah, I'm on debian :)
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2197 [21:13:23] <jhutchins_wk> The other advantage of dd is that you can use it to copy things like the MBR or the partition table that don't really expose themselves as files.
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2199 [21:14:32] <greycat> meaning, "you can tell it to copy only N bytes and stop"
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2203 [21:15:19] <greycat> which is not a useful feature when writing an image TO a device, but can be useful when trying to "wipe" part of the information on a device
2204 [21:15:41] <greycat> or to retrieve only the MBR (etc.) from a device
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2208 [21:18:48] <rnmhdn> what is print server
2209 [21:19:17] <rnmhdn> I don't need it if I'm not using a printer right?
2210 [21:19:17] <greycat> Usually CUPS. It's the software that controls printing jobs, or a computer dedicated to running such a service.
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2212 [21:19:31] <greycat> Oh, as an installation task? You can probably skip it, yeah.
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2214 [21:19:47] <greycat> You can always add more stuff later.
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2216 [21:19:55] <rnmhdn> yeah
2217 [21:20:05] <rnmhdn> I was just confused that it was checked by default
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2219 [21:20:30] <rnmhdn> It's fine to not install the debian DE right?
2220 [21:20:47] <greycat> Absolutely.
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2222 [21:21:29] <greycat> They wouldn't give you a choice, if it didn't work.
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2235 [21:25:00] <RandomSerb> hey. I just installed debian with cinnamon. But, it's kind of laggish. Should I go with xfce?
2236 [21:25:09] <RandomSerb> I've an old gpu, 1gb ram
2237 [21:25:14] <RandomSerb> could that be it?
2238 [21:25:31] <PackageCompare> If I am running Debian 8.7 and want to patch Spectre will that bring me to the latest Jessie Debian?
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2241 [21:26:23] <greycat> You should definitely update to the current jessie (oldstable) at the very minimum.
2242 [21:26:47] <greycat> Give some thought to updating to current stable, but jessie still receives LTS for the moment.
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2245 [21:27:22] <PackageCompare> greycat: if I stay on 8.7 does that mean the linux kernel doesn't get security updates?
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2247 [21:27:59] <greycat> You get whatever security updates the LTS team provides for jessie. Which should include kernel patches.
2248 [21:28:06] <greycat> !lts
2249 [21:28:06] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
2250 [21:29:16] <PackageCompare> Greycat: I guess I am asking.. If I was on 8.7 and applied Spectre patch do I get to stay on 8.7 or does it bring me to the latest.
2251 [21:29:35] <greycat> By the way, patching to current jessie LTS will put you on 8.10, not that the number really means anything except telling us how far behind on patches you are.
2252 [21:29:56] <greycat> I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish.
2253 [21:30:22] <PackageCompare> greycat: Patching my systems but staying on my current version. I guess its not possible.
2254 [21:30:27] <greycat> Are you saying you WANT to run a box with known security problems and leave the vast majority of them unfixed, and just cherry-pick a few?
2255 [21:30:36] <Tenkawa> i really wish they hadnt put the really bad rts driver in here for this realtek mmc adapter
2256 [21:30:53] <greycat> If you're going to cherry-pick security fixes, honestly, spectre would be pretty far down my priority list.
2257 [21:31:01] <Tenkawa> cant read 3 out of 4 cards in linux
2258 [21:31:18] <PackageCompare> greycat: I have Security scanner installed, I can see where my issues are at this time #1 is Spectre
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2260 [21:31:47] <greycat> Why would spectre be an issue? Do you have untrusted users logging in and running random software?
2261 [21:31:50] <PackageCompare> greycat: Yes I am ultimately saying cherry-picking
2262 [21:32:17] <PackageCompare> greycat: I know its a local user vulnerability but its urgency is listed in red and people don't like red
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2264 [21:32:53] <greycat> Oh, this is to satisfy idiotic managers.
2265 [21:32:57] <greycat> Well, good luck with that.
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2267 [21:35:01] <Tenkawa> yeah then managing it
2268 [21:37:02] <greycat> Well, if you WANT to stay vulnerable in every package except the kernel, I can't stop you. Disable unattended-upgrades, do your apt-get updates manually, do your apt-get install linux-image-*s manually.
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2278 [21:43:12] <binaryhermit> I thought debian 8 was oldstable and debian 9 was stable
2279 [21:43:49] <greycat> correct
2280 [21:44:14] <greycat> Not only is he on oldstable, but he's intentionally refusing to update it to the current patch level.
2281 [21:44:41] <binaryhermit> so you don't need to update to stretch to get security updates right now, but you should
2282 [21:46:26] <greycat> My position is that he should absolutely be updating to the current jessie (8.10 with LTS support). Updating to stretch (Debian 9.x) can be considered later.
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2284 [21:46:45] <greycat> There are legitimate reasons to stay on an old release.
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2286 [21:47:57] <binaryhermit> that's true
2287 [21:48:21] <binaryhermit> but you should be planning your escape path, IMO
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2290 [21:52:14] <PackageCompare> unattended-upgrades installs security patches for kernel and packages?
2291 [21:52:39] <greycat> Probably.
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2297 [21:55:48] <PackageCompare> Will this command upgrade me to 8.10 apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-base
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2303 [21:58:17] <greycat> no
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2307 [21:59:19] <RandomSerb> I can't believe how much faster is xfce compared to cinnamon
2308 [21:59:30] <RandomSerb> man this is fast
2309 [22:00:25] <antto> lxde is also gud
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2312 [22:01:24] <RandomSerb> to be honest, no reason to change anything given how good xfce is
2313 [22:01:48] <RandomSerb> anywho, how do I access sound settings in debian ? I can't seem to find it for the life of me
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2315 [22:02:06] <Tenkawa> in x or console?
2316 [22:02:25] <greycat> I use alsamixer because I don't use Pulse. If you use Pulse then I think it's pavucontrol or something.
2317 [22:02:43] <Tenkawa> same
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2319 [22:03:31] <RandomSerb> Tenkawa, x
2320 [22:03:50] <RandomSerb> greycat, I don't know what I'm using, to be honest
2321 [22:04:00] <RandomSerb> just installed stretch with xfce
2322 [22:04:35] <greycat> If you're using a Desktop Environment, then there is usually some audio control panel type thingy provided by that DE.
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2324 [22:06:57] <RandomSerb> greycat, yeah, I'm used to that. but there's none
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2326 [22:07:59] <RandomSerb> should I install pulse?
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2328 [22:08:26] <greycat> RandomSerb: a quick google search and reading one and a half forum posts followed by a local apt-cache search, says you could try installing xfce4-goodies
2329 [22:08:43] <greycat> replaced-url
2330 [22:09:08] <RandomSerb> greycat, tried, didn't help
2331 [22:09:08] <RandomSerb> xfce4-goodies
2332 [22:09:37] <greycat> well, do your own google search then, and maybe you'll get a more targeted result
2333 [22:09:37] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: Thre's a mixer applet/plugin. Unfortunately unmaintained.
2334 [22:10:34] <RandomSerb> greycat, I did, but couldn't find solution
2335 [22:10:37] <RandomSerb> hence asked here
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2339 [22:11:30] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: RIght click the bar, panel, Add new item, search audio.
2340 [22:11:54] <greycat> Funny, that's what it said in the forum thread that I linked to.
2341 [22:12:01] <greycat> I guess he didn't bother reading that.
2342 [22:12:22] <PackageCompare> If I mark my important packages as "Hold" with sudo apt-mark hold then when I do apt-get upgrade, they won'
2343 [22:12:27] <PackageCompare> won't be touched right
2344 [22:12:38] <greycat> !hold
2345 [22:12:38] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
2346 [22:12:53] <PackageCompare> thank you
2347 [22:13:01] * greycat notes the "fixed in stretch" clause...
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2353 [22:14:12] <PackageCompare> apt-cache policy will tell me what upgrade would install
2354 [22:14:13] <PackageCompare> right
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2357 [22:14:49] <greycat> "apt-get -u upgrade" will tell you what apt-get upgrade would install
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2359 [22:16:16] <PackageCompare> "apt list --upgradable" shows version numbers which I am looking for
2360 [22:16:34] <PackageCompare> Do correct me if I am wrong though (as in not the full list or what not)
2361 [22:16:44] <greycat> Don't know, never used that.
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2394 [22:36:53] <jhutchins_wk> I think the alsa applet is left over from an earlier release I had on that box.
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2399 [22:39:52] <karlpinc> greycat: Yah. the <hold> factoid could use an update to reverse the sense and say that aptitude hold is ignored ... _before_ stretch.
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2410 [22:45:48] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think both apt and aptitude display a message offering that after an update.
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2414 [22:47:50] <Tenkawa> what was the q?
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2427 [22:54:53] <annadane> bit of an emergency here, remember that usb stick i was talking about? now when i plug it in it's not even recognized, not in thunar, not via lsblk - just shows /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1
2428 [22:55:06] <annadane> do i have to mkfs.vfat it or is there something else i can try?
2429 [22:55:33] <greycat> you probably have to partition it first
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2432 [22:55:52] <greycat> (unless there's data on it that you want to recover)
2433 [22:56:12] <annadane> like, i copied two files to it (to /media/annadane/f-something-code), they were there, i unmounted it and ejected it safely, and now it just doesn't detect
2434 [22:56:15] <annadane> the files were there before
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2436 [22:56:53] <annadane> i still have the files, i can afford to lose the data on it, i just don't know why they vanished
2437 [22:56:53] <greycat> A lot of USB devices don't even bother with partitions. The whole thing is just one big file system. Have you tried mounting /dev/sdb yet?
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2441 [22:57:36] <annadane> mount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab
2442 [22:57:48] <greycat> give it a directory also
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2445 [22:58:00] <annadane> replaced-url
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2447 [22:58:07] <annadane> give it a directory?
2448 [22:58:14] <greycat> mount /dev/sdb /mnt
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2450 [22:58:19] <annadane> oh, right. i'm stupid.
2451 [22:58:23] <greycat> or wherever you throw temporary mounts
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2455 [22:59:03] <annadane> replaced-url
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2459 [22:59:49] <annadane> i'm still baffled they just vanished, i didn't even do anything
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2461 [23:01:45] <annadane> as i said, i still have the files. i can try mkfs.vfat and just copy them over again
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2463 [23:02:41] <annadane> (and i say vfat because that was the original filesystem on the stick)
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2465 [23:07:09] <nyov> what does, say, cfdisk say? any partitions it can see?
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2468 [23:08:09] <annadane> /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5
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2470 [23:08:33] <annadane> anyway, i have a backup stick, it detects this one for whatever reason ...
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2472 [23:09:14] <nyov> oh. I meant "cfdisk /dev/sdb" or whichever disk
2473 [23:09:40] <annadane> "select label type"
2474 [23:09:58] <annadane> should i just reformat the damn thing?
2475 [23:10:16] <nyov> could be a bad flash
2476 [23:10:26] <annadane> anyway, let me just use the one that works
2477 [23:10:37] <nyov> sure you can reformat it. but I wouldn't trust that it stays good
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2483 [23:13:17] <annadane> anyway, this one works. so never mind. (until it doesn't?)
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2485 [23:13:38] <annadane> what i did was: cp 'file name' '/media/annadane/USB DISK'. so it's not my copying method at fault
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2489 [23:15:10] <annadane> oh. i have a possible explanation. there was a storm last night and a consequent power flicker, that may have done it
2490 [23:15:39] <annadane> my actual external HD is fine, though, but maybe the usb stick is more flimsy
2491 [23:16:29] <nyov> wonder if it even still has anything on it
2492 [23:16:36] <nyov> file -s /dev/sdb
2493 [23:16:51] <annadane> can't right now, i have to do other things, other one works though
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2504 [23:24:36] <Rboreal_Frippery> creating a debian package, which depends on another package. (in this case, a system-wide plugin for GIMP) I have found that the system plug-in directory for GIMP itself varies based on the version of GIMP. Is there a standard way when making a package, to vary installation paths based on the version of another package, or should I just handle it in the postinst script?
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2506 [23:24:57] <Rboreal_Frippery> (or just make a separate package for my plugin for each version of gimp)
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2518 [23:31:56] <moopthemighty> ok so i got debian installed on a harddrive but i had to hard reset it and then booted into an initramfs and did the fsck and then did an e2fsck from another THREE different OS (no windows utilities) and im STILL getting a warning and an offer to drop to shell and fsck again but if i ignore it my system boots normal... also, is there a single utility to make a live usb from debian with persistance
2519 [23:32:02] <moopthemighty> that WORKS that I DONT have to "do it the hard way" ?
2520 [23:32:03] <moopthemighty> ive got a "grub2 boot USB" with an EFI partition and a 5gig boot partition following and a third partition for ISO and OS filesystem
2521 [23:32:08] <moopthemighty> but i cant for the life of me get the third partition to boot right
2522 [23:32:35] <moopthemighty> but at least I can use it as a portable grubUSB
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2525 [23:32:46] <s00x> hey, how can I create sh script as a shortcut?
2526 [23:33:25] <moopthemighty> ln -ls (file) (link to make)
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2530 [23:33:42] <moopthemighty> unless you are talking about a desktop thing then id ask in #gnome or #kde
2531 [23:33:59] <s00x> are .desktop files are related to gnome?
2532 [23:34:01] <moopthemighty> #ubuntu helps alot more with those types of questions IIRC
2533 [23:34:42] <moopthemighty> i wouldnt know, ive been out of the game for 10 years and im studying security more than user configurable stuff
2534 [23:34:52] <s00x> ok, thx!
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2537 [23:35:40] <annadane> there's .desktop files
2538 [23:35:45] <annadane> fairly simple to look up
2539 [23:36:09] <moopthemighty> dude, i cant even... unetbootin doesnt work, respin doesnt work, remastersys scares the crap out of me to use becuse its old...
2540 [23:36:50] <s00x> yeah, here's what I;m trying to achieve. I want to run .sh file which will choose correct .jar and then run that .jar. I know how to run .jar through .desktop: Exec=sh -c "java -jar /path/file.jar"
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2542 [23:37:24] <moopthemighty> this SHOULD be simple but I cant seem to get this third partition to boot right. syslinux didnt put the files id assume ... things have changed sublty in the past 10 years and i wasnt there for it and noww im lost... please help
2543 [23:37:34] <s00x> but why somehing like that: Exec=sh -c "java -jar $(/path/choose-correct.jar.sh)" doesnt work?
2544 [23:38:04] <moopthemighty> need to encapsulate the stuff after the "=" in ''
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2546 [23:38:37] <moopthemighty> var_assign = 'some_command "stuff to feed the hungry command" more stuff ' ;
2547 [23:38:47] <s00x> why i didn't need to with pure Exec=java -jar path/file.jar ?
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2551 [23:41:38] <moopthemighty> because that command doesnt have the quotes to confuse the interpreter
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2555 [23:42:32] <moopthemighty> java <option> <path> is expected and doesnt contain special characters
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