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12 [00:11:41] <Tech_8> hi
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29 [00:22:56] <format_c> Tech_8: hi
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73 [00:54:51] <Tech_8> hi
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76 [00:55:55] <annadane> !ask
77 [00:55:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
78 [00:58:12] <RoyK> annadane: (s)he only said "hi"…
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81 [01:01:32] <n4dir> the #bash bot is not so friendly when someone says hi ...
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84 [01:02:44] <Tenkawa> it is as long as you dont trigger it
85 [01:03:07] <Tenkawa> I come in channel and just say hi all the time
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93 [01:05:43] <DMIS_JNash> Guys, how do you define nameservers on Debian 9?
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97 [01:07:44] <azamet> hi all
98 [01:07:48] <Tech_8> hi
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100 [01:08:13] <azamet> the debian room is the best everybody is writing the other room users sucks i cant understand why people r so categorized
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102 [01:09:03] <CrunchyRoll> dmis_jnash replaced-url
103 [01:09:29] <azamet> who is using kali linux in this room guy i get an error on installing nvidia can anybody pls help me here?
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105 [01:09:33] <annadane> !kali
106 [01:09:33] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
107 [01:09:43] <annadane> !whynotpentesting
108 [01:09:43] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see replaced-url
109 [01:09:45] <azamet> i know annadane but they r not answering on that room
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111 [01:10:08] <annadane> try ##linux or the kali mailing lists/forums/whatever they have
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114 [01:10:56] <azamet> yes i was meaning that no one is answring in linux room but the !kali room is empty
115 [01:11:06] <azamet> i tryed /join !kali
116 [01:11:16] <annadane> it's #kali-linux
117 [01:11:25] <azamet> kali-linux room is not answering too
118 [01:11:34] <azamet> r u moderator from debian room?
119 [01:11:40] <annadane> well, we're versed in debian. we don't know what changes kali made to their system
120 [01:11:43] <annadane> no, i'm not
121 [01:11:58] <azamet> maybe someone is using debian and kali in this room
122 [01:12:15] <azamet> that for im asking here too
123 [01:12:26] <azamet> if someone can help me it will be very nice for me :(
124 [01:12:32] <Tenkawa> theres other ircnets too that might have un/official channels that can help
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126 [01:13:08] <azamet> i did not setup proxy or so i cant trust to other chat rooms here i never have problems with getting hacked etc
127 [01:13:23] <Tenkawa> ouch
128 [01:13:26] <annadane> by using kali for a desktop you're inviting yourself to all kinds of problems first of all. second, how long did you wait, sometimes it takes a little while for people to respond in irc generally
129 [01:14:01] <annadane> kali is an advanced pentesting distribution, not recommended for beginners
130 [01:14:32] <azamet> i hate that people is saying that what u r saying how should i learn it if i not install it?
131 [01:14:43] <annadane> fine, never mind
132 [01:14:54] <rant> azamet: you install something like debian, run that in a vm
133 [01:15:09] <rant> azamet: its way easier to test security and such using virtual machines anyhow
134 [01:15:29] <azamet> but i want to install the nvidia drivers on kali :D pls help me someone guys
135 [01:15:43] <DMIS_JNash> CrunchyRoll: I have been reading that all day to no avail
136 [01:15:56] <ayekat> azamet: you might not be the target audience of a pentesting distro like kali
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139 [01:16:34] <ayekat> azamet: and #debian is not the channel for kali end-user support (if any such thing exists)
140 [01:16:54] <rant> azamet: we can't help you with that. I'm on Debian stable, I've never even heard of Kali other than random people coming in here trying to get support for it. you need to talk to someone who uses Kali or talk to Nvidia, and if you can't get help from either of those groups, then you should try using Debian since you seem to think there is such support to be had here
141 [01:17:07] <DMIS_JNash> CrunchyRoll: I am running 9.5 with XFCE. I have a bridged interface br0. NetworkManager is overwriting nameservers. I am stuck.
142 [01:17:32] <matt|home> hi, im running into a slight issue. im trying to emulate a debian system with qemu on my desktop, and during the installation step its saying it cannot autodetect my network card, and asks me to choose myc orrect driver from the list. i do that, and t gives me the same error like it's not working. my driver is the r8169 realtek gigabit ethernet driver
143 [01:17:36] <matt|home> does anyone know how to solve this?
144 [01:17:42] <azamet> look the DMIS_JNash is using kali as u can see
145 [01:17:56] <DMIS_JNash> Nope. Not me.
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147 [01:18:08] <azamet> XFCE is kali linux
148 [01:18:24] <rant> XFCE is in a bunch of linux distros, its one of 7 DE in Debian
149 [01:18:28] <azamet> here u can see the download link replaced-url
150 [01:18:38] <DMIS_JNash> No, its just a desktop environment. Running Debian.
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152 [01:18:45] <azamet> but everything is same or not?
153 [01:18:50] <matt|home> "no ethernet card was detected"
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155 [01:19:14] <DMIS_JNash> the DE is the same, but not the core system
156 [01:19:30] <rant> azamet: its similar enough you wouldnt notice the difference if you just went and d/l Debian and installed it.. but from a support perspective it couldnt possibly be more different
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160 [01:19:57] <rant> azamet: trust me your life will be much simpler if you just go download and install debian stable then use one of our many virtual machines to run Kali
161 [01:21:09] <rant> if your interest in Kali is for security auditing and such, the nvidia drivers are totally irrelevant to that, and you can do all that penetration testing via a virtual machine much easier because you can create as many virtual servers and networks as you like and not need actual physical ones
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164 [01:21:49] <rant> you wanna build something solid, you gotta start with a stable foundation, Kali chose Debian for theirs, and you should consider doing the same
165 [01:21:54] <DMIS_JNash> I am stuck. I need to define nameservers.
166 [01:22:03] <azamet> i was planning to buy books etc and learn kali linux but first of all before i start learning i was planing to install the kali with drivers
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168 [01:22:17] <DMIS_JNash> stick with the core, Debian
169 [01:22:24] <DMIS_JNash> why run a fork?
170 [01:22:47] <rant> DMIS_JNash: are you using DHCP as a client on br0?
171 [01:23:04] <DMIS_JNash> Rant: No, static IP
172 [01:23:30] <rant> DMIS_JNash: are you planning on using this one static configuration and not hopping networks?
173 [01:24:07] <DMIS_JNash> rant: Static works fine. Bridging works fine. DNS does not work. This is a server dedicated to KVM guests.
174 [01:24:08] <azamet> on the kali room i get this error
175 [01:24:09] <azamet> #kali Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
176 [01:24:14] <azamet> how to fix that?
177 [01:24:22] <ayekat> azamet: #kali-linux
178 [01:24:25] <rant> join the right channel
179 [01:24:43] <rant> DMIS_JNash: what I'm getting at is, you sound like you have no need for network manager and its just being a PITA, so diable or uninstall it
180 [01:24:44] <azamet> im already on kali linux room but there is one more room i think named kali only
181 [01:24:50] <DMIS_JNash> rant: I can temporarily add nameservers to the resolv.conf file, but on reboot they get removed
182 [01:25:03] <DMIS_JNash> rant: agreed
183 [01:25:19] <azamet> ayekat am i safe on this chat room? will anybody hack me?
184 [01:25:20] <Tenkawa> oh
185 [01:25:32] <DMIS_JNash> rant: I purged it, and ran into issues with virt-manager accessing libvirt
186 [01:25:33] <rant> DMIS_JNash: just set it all up in /etc/network/interfaces even, because once its configured there n-m no longer manages it
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188 [01:25:58] <n4dir> DMIS_JNash: i don't know the subject well. I once ran in the problem that resolv.conf was overwritten, and used a "program" to do it. I forgot the name. Looking at: replaced-url
189 [01:26:02] <Tenkawa> He's's got the dnsresolv package still getting in the way
190 [01:26:15] <annadane> azamet. seriously. if you need to ask "will anybody hack me in this chat room" STOP using kali
191 [01:26:16] <n4dir> doesn't make it any better (in fact it seems to indicate that both your other approaches should work)
192 [01:26:27] <DMIS_JNash> rant: i know. but, the dns settings in /etc/network.interfaces is being ignored for some reason
193 [01:26:37] <awal1> any suggestion about how to center output of wikipedia2text?
194 [01:26:47] <DMIS_JNash> rant: removing networkmanager solves the issue but caused some other issues
195 [01:26:52] <n4dir> first lessons first, annadane : if you wanna learn to hack, learn to always be as loud as possible. Hacker rule number 1.
196 [01:26:52] <ayekat> azamet: you seem to have a rather skewed perception of "computer security" - I doubt you trying to fanatically get kali to run is the right approach
197 [01:26:52] <Tenkawa> DMIS_JNash: do a dpkg -k | grep dnsresolv
198 [01:26:56] <rant> DMIS_JNash: I doubt its n-m doing it then.. because afaik anything setup in interfaces is ignored by n-m
199 [01:27:05] <Tenkawa> does a package entry come up for it?
200 [01:27:16] <Tenkawa> er
201 [01:27:19] <Tenkawa> dpkg -l
202 [01:27:19] <dpkg> Files in package tenkawa-pr0n: /srv/tenkawa-pr0n/tenkawa.jpg
203 [01:27:25] <azamet> i mean my kali is installed on usb can they do anything to me?
204 [01:27:31] <rant> you mean dpkg -l dnsresolv
205 [01:27:33] <DMIS_JNash> rant: very possible. I just dont have an answer to the issue. strange.
206 [01:27:35] <rant> no need for grep
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209 [01:28:08] <annadane> "hacking" is a very broad topic. people wanting to "hack" should not use kali. pentesters should use kali. it is *not* a distribution for beginners. why not debian?
210 [01:28:13] <ayekat> azamet: again, please learn the basics first
211 [01:28:14] <Tenkawa> wow that was weied
212 [01:28:31] <Tenkawa> that output
213 [01:28:43] <rant> I normally just scribble real fast on a scrap piece of paper for pen testing :P
214 [01:28:53] <Tenkawa> what a meant to type
215 [01:29:05] <azamet> i think u did misunderstand me i was not asking if i can hack them i was asking if they can hack me and if im safe in this chat or not with booted from usb kali linux
216 [01:29:06] <ayekat> azamet: learn about operating systems and the network stack, and how they work, before diving into security topics
217 [01:29:21] <annadane> azamet, i know what you said. if you don't understand that, stop using kali
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219 [01:29:41] <ayekat> azamet: there is no point in trying to dive in heads-first into a topic you clearly seem to have non understanding about
220 [01:29:46] <rant> and stop watching hacker movies or whatever is putting such silly ideas in your head
221 [01:29:50] <ayekat> ^ this
222 [01:29:53] <rant> the gibson isn't real
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224 [01:30:21] <Tenkawa> ok lets try this again
225 [01:30:25] <litb> azamet, i'm already in your box. i see you have a /home directory.
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227 [01:30:37] <Tenkawa> dpkg -l | grep dnsresolv
228 [01:30:38] <dpkg> ii | grep dnsresolv 2.7-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
229 [01:30:53] <Tenkawa> type this
230 [01:30:57] <rant> Tenkawa: yes, you can lose the | grep
231 [01:31:17] <Tenkawa> i was trying to give him the command to run
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234 [01:31:26] <Tenkawa> so it didnt spam him
235 [01:31:33] <annadane> all these linux distributions are different, kali happens to be a very specific tool for pentesting and you're expected to know a bit about linux before using it. by comparison, debian is relatively beginner friendly and is intended as a general operating system
236 [01:31:33] <rant> I realize that.. but thats two commands.. and one isnt needed
237 [01:31:43] <Tenkawa> i know
238 [01:31:46] <RoyK> Tenkawa: rant is probably just ranting ;)
239 [01:31:58] <rant> RoyK: nevarrrr!
240 [01:32:02] <Tenkawa> i just got some weird output
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243 [01:32:28] <rant> Tenkawa: you mean the bot?
244 [01:32:28] <RoyK> Tenkawa: then pastebin it all
245 [01:32:33] <litb> guys... anyone familiar with "perf" ?
246 [01:33:08] <RoyK> litb: thata was some time back, but ask away
247 [01:33:11] <RoyK> !ask
248 [01:33:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
249 [01:33:33] <litb> i'm trying perf record.. but it gives weird call-graphs. for example, for system calls, it prints the glibc "write" function just below some kernel function
250 [01:33:36] <rant> azamet: furthermore if you want nvidia drivers you're better off actually installing a system rather than running it from a USB live..
251 [01:33:45] <litb> leaving out like 10 intermediate functions, such as "sys_write"
252 [01:33:57] <Tenkawa> RoyK: I was answering someonelses q... i think i know whats going on
253 [01:33:59] <DMIS_JNash> rant: just purged networkmanager. testing.
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255 [01:34:07] <litb> sometimes, for some events, the callgraph is seemingly complete. but for most, it lacks a lot of intermediate frames
256 [01:34:23] <rant> DMIS_JNash: you could've just disabled it with systemctl for mere testing :P
257 [01:34:34] <DMIS_JNash> rant: yep
258 [01:34:35] <n4dir> DMIS_JNash: you can simply stop networkmanager from loading during boot, no need to uninstall it.
259 [01:34:39] <rant> I doubt its the problem though
260 [01:34:48] <litb> using the dwarf call-graph method (i have the linux-image..-dbg package installed)
261 [01:34:59] <rant> in my experience once an IF is in interfaces, n-m does nothing to it
262 [01:35:07] <azamet> on this freenode is the best room debian room the other rooms sadly full with basstards :(
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264 [01:35:22] <azamet> no one is answering and everybody is doing jokes
265 [01:35:34] <n4dir> azamet: might be an idea to install debian then?
266 [01:35:38] <DMIS_JNash> rant: resolv.conf works now
267 [01:35:42] <rant> azamet: yes well, here's a radical idea.. one you may have heard a dozen times already.. TRY INSTALLING DEBIAN THEN!
268 [01:35:42] <Tenkawa> doesnt dnsresolv save and restore the conf file?
269 [01:35:52] <Tenkawa> yay
270 [01:35:55] <DMIS_JNash> rant: networkmanager removed
271 [01:36:08] <azamet> i think i will install debian :/
272 [01:36:10] <rant> DMIS_JNash: hmm.. well thats odd..
273 [01:36:15] <Tenkawa> I hate networkmanager
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275 [01:36:21] <DMIS_JNash> n4dir: how do you sidable networkmanager from starting?
276 [01:36:25] <rant> azamet: I think you had a good idea.. you think of that yourself?
277 [01:36:36] <Tenkawa> first thing I do after an install is remove it
278 [01:36:54] <azamet> im already infected with 7 virus
279 [01:36:54] <n4dir> DMIS_JNash: i don't know the new init system systemd. Could look at wiki.debian.org, but then you might look for yourself.
280 [01:37:11] <azamet> i dont know what they will steal from my new installed kali :D
281 [01:37:12] <n4dir> it's straight forward though. One simple command
282 [01:37:17] <DMIS_JNash> n4dir: got. will do. thx.
283 [01:37:20] <matt|home> I am having a problem. I am trying to install debian in a qemu session, and it cannot detect my network hardware. I specify the /correct/ network driver during the installation step, but it still cannot detect it. Can somebody who is familiar with debian/qemu help me out please?
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285 [01:38:10] <DMIS_JNash> networkmanager works great for desktop. servers requiring bridging, not so much
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287 [01:38:21] <annadane> you can use kali much later once you learn the basics of linux and computers and networking and ......
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289 [01:38:26] <Tenkawa> using the gui builder or cmdline?
290 [01:38:31] <annadane> for now, please. debian stable is a lovely choice
291 [01:38:33] <matt|home> commandline.
292 [01:38:40] <matt|home> matt@vault-tech:~/Programming/GitProjects$ qemu-system-arm -M virt -m 512 -kernel vmlinuz -initrd initrd.gz -hda armlinux.img -netdev user,id=mynet0 -nographic
293 [01:38:45] <matt|home> that's the setup command im running
294 [01:39:16] <Tenkawa> what are you binding a netdev to?
295 [01:39:24] <azamet> okay i will create another usb now for debian install
296 [01:39:27] <litb> matt|home, dunno, but don't you need a "-device" for that netdev to actually use it?
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298 [01:39:32] <azamet> i need to go guys thank u all so much
299 [01:39:44] <matt|home> i dont know, im unfamiliar with qemu and debian. i just need to simulate an ARM computer
300 [01:40:02] <Tenkawa> yeah that netdev entry looks wrong but its been a few years
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302 [01:40:27] <matt|home> replaced-url
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304 [01:40:29] <matt|home> i was following that
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308 [01:42:06] <litb> looking at the kvm Virtio page, they say "-device virtio-net-pci,netdev=<the-id-you-have-in-netdev>"
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310 [01:42:19] <litb> see replaced-url
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313 [01:42:42] <nyov> he is using -netdev user though, so that "should" work (never did for me though)
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315 [01:42:45] <matt|home> uh
316 [01:42:57] <matt|home> i dont even know what netdev is, but if i need to change that argument
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318 [01:42:58] <nyov> -netdev user "Use the user mode network stack which requires no administrator privilege to run."
319 [01:43:02] <litb> others seem to say just "virtio-net" instead of "virtio-net-pci"
320 [01:43:24] <matt|home> should i be running qemu as root/sudo ?
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324 [01:44:20] <Tenkawa> yeah I think theres going to be some updates... this is some old docs.
325 [01:44:25] <matt|home> i know this is a qemu-specific question but i am asking on their official channel and nobody's there
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327 [01:44:39] <matt|home> sigh alright, i'll ask my friend when they get back
328 [01:44:43] <matt|home> thanks guys
329 [01:45:02] <nyov> try adding what litb mentioned: "-netdev user,id=mynet0 -device virtio-net,netdev=mynet0"
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333 [01:46:25] <matt|home> yep tryin now
334 [01:47:33] <nyov> i'm not sure actually if virtio is always available in the kernel?
335 [01:47:50] <matt|home> i juuuuust need it to work..
336 [01:47:56] <matt|home> please work -_-
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339 [01:49:05] <litb> matt|home, see replaced-url
340 [01:49:21] <matt|home> thanks
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420 [03:09:41] <rant> ,v virtualbox
421 [03:09:42] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-2
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429 [03:16:26] <GenTooMan> does debian now only install on new systems without the win10 "security" methods on them? I had some difficulty with UEFI but newer secure boot based systems seem to be even more difficult to install Linux on. Seems to make it hard to use a newer laptop. I've not heard of manufacturer bypass options for Win10 qualified machines either.
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452 [03:36:19] <m_g_lewis> Is there a GUI based application to take a snapshot of the entire system that is available in Debian Stretch?
453 [03:36:45] <agio> a GUI equiv. to dd?
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456 [03:37:49] <m_g_lewis> agio: Yes...
457 [03:37:54] <RoyK> m_g_lewis: the problem with snapshotting is that you need support in either lvm or zfs or btrfs or something - lvm works, but it's slow and well, slow
458 [03:38:06] <RoyK> m_g_lewis: btrfs is better - zfs just works
459 [03:38:28] <agio> cant you take a block level image ? aren't there cloning tools for that?
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461 [03:39:21] <RoyK> zfs snapshot is instant
462 [03:39:38] <RoyK> btrfs snapshot is almost instant, but things slow down after a while
463 [03:39:40] <m_g_lewis> Royk: Are btrfs and zfs GUI applications?
464 [03:40:02] <RoyK> lvm snapshots are pretty instant, but they slow down things rather a lot, as in really a lot
465 [03:40:48] <RoyK> m_g_lewis: you don't need a bloody GUI app to open a terminal and "zfs snapshot blah/blah@newsnap" - it takes less time to just do it by hand
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467 [03:41:30] <m_g_lewis> Royk: I'll check it out...Thanks...
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469 [03:42:19] <agio> btrfs and zfs are fancy filesystems
470 [03:42:38] <m_g_lewis> Oh...
471 [03:42:38] <RoyK> zfs is a wee bit more fancy than btrfs ;)
472 [03:43:18] <agio> I think you can do some fancy stuff with containers with zfs too
473 [03:43:44] <RoyK> stuff like docker integrates nicely with zfs
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476 [03:48:07] <agio> say on my disk I have 2 physical partitions 1) 250MB -> /boot 2) 300GB with an LVM . the LVM partition is split into 3 parts a) rootfs b) swap c) $HOME . and I want to re-install debian. during the install, can I somehow mount the LVM point the debian installer partitioner stage to install the new OS onto the a) LVM partition?
477 [03:48:58] <agio> or do I have to blow away the entire existing LVM scheme?
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480 [03:52:26] <aloo_shu> *should* see all LVM partitions - if it doesn't, I'd try expert install and make explicitely sure LVM support is loaded
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482 [03:53:57] <aloo_shu> I'm pretty sure I installed various ubuntu-ish linuxes on a pre-existing LVM, so let's assume ubuntu inherits the ability from debian
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486 [03:55:59] <aloo_shu> you could make a test and see if the live distro sees the LVM, if it does, chances are that so will the installer
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488 [03:58:56] <agio> "expert" mode sounds scary, lol
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494 [04:07:30] <agio> I'm want to setup networking for an lxc container - I just want to run a LAMP stack in it. any recommendations on best way to achieve this?
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496 [04:07:56] <agio> it doesn't need to be accessible to the outside internet
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520 [04:36:08] <camh> I'm having trouble installing linux-headers-amd64 from stretch-backports. I have a pin of /linux-(base|(image|headers)(-.*)?-amd64)/ to stretch-backports priority 991, but I get an error trying to install linux-headers-amd64:
521 [04:36:20] <camh> "linux-headers-amd64 : Depends: linux-headers-4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 but it is not going to be installed"
522 [04:36:55] <camh> apt-cache policy linux-headers-4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 says it's there with priotity 991
523 [04:36:55] <themill> !bat
524 [04:36:56] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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527 [04:38:45] <themill> (I suspect you need to add linux-headers-4.18.0-0.bpo.1-common to the pinning if you want this to automagical)
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529 [04:39:55] <camh> themill: I don't want to add specific versions to the pin. I would like a generic pin for the kernel from backports.
530 [04:40:07] <camh> paste of info is replaced-url
531 [04:40:15] <rant> why would that even be necessary?
532 [04:40:32] <camh> I would need to update the pin every time a new kernel comes out. prefer not to do that if avoidable
533 [04:40:37] <themill> camh: which is fine and all, but your pin is incorrect
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536 [04:41:21] <camh> themill: how so? The regex captures the package, and is properly shown in apt-cache policy
537 [04:42:04] <themill> please show that info
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539 [04:42:22] <camh> It's in the paste: replaced-url
540 [04:42:36] <themill> no, that does not show linux-headers-4.18.0-0.bpo.1-common
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542 [04:43:01] <themill> I suspect you also need to ensure linux-kbuild-4.18 is picked up
543 [04:43:11] <camh> ack. I missed that part of your suspicion before.
544 [04:45:07] <themill> (unrelated, but I'd also recommend pinning deb-multimedia below stable so that you only install from there packages you absolutely need)
545 [04:47:52] <camh> looks like I may need to pin linux-kbuild-.* too, and also linux-compiler.*. I think I'll just pin linux-.*
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547 [04:48:48] <camh> yeah, that's done the job. thanks themill
548 [04:48:54] <themill> np
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558 [04:55:08] <camh> oh no. dbndbs has gone. my re-install is not going well
559 [04:55:18] <camh> *dbndns
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564 [05:00:57] <camh> can anyone recommend a lightweight authoratative-only dns server from debian stable?
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575 [05:09:44] <outoftime> How bad is this "E: The repository 'replaced-url
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580 [05:11:02] <themill> outoftime: it means that you've got a completely made-up line in your sources.list
581 [05:11:32] <themill> !stretch sources.list
582 [05:11:33] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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585 [05:14:47] <outoftime> themill: /etc/apt/sources.list is autogenerated, I have only added few lists to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder. They only turns on non-free and contrib.
586 [05:14:50] <JNash_DMIS> I am back again. I still can't set static nameservers. I have read everything and tried everything. Help wanted.
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588 [05:15:47] <JNash_DMIS> It can't be this difficult to statically set nameservers on Debian, right?
589 [05:15:48] <themill> !show sources.list outoftime
590 [05:15:48] <dpkg> outoftime: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
591 [05:16:37] <themill> JNash_DMIS: how is your networking configured? (network manager, /etc/network/interfaces, dhcp, static IP?)
592 [05:17:20] <JNash_DMIS> themill: static via /etc/network/interfaces with a br0 interface
593 [05:18:32] <themill> What are you bridging?
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596 [05:19:43] <JNash_DMIS> themill: I am bridging for KVM guests
597 [05:20:03] <JNash_DMIS> themill: take a look replaced-url
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600 [05:21:48] <JNash_DMIS> themill: Here is the resolve.conf replaced-url
601 [05:22:20] <themill> That says that network-manager is looking after the configuration not
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603 [05:23:36] <JNash_DMIS> themill: Here is another replaced-url
604 [05:24:14] <JNash_DMIS> themill: NetworkManager is looking after the resolve.conf config, but not the interfaces
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606 [05:24:51] <themill> That doesn't sound like a good combination
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608 [05:25:40] <JNash_DMIS> themill: That seems to be the issue. If I remove or disable NetworkManager, it works. i can edit the resolve.config file and it will stay after reboot. With NetworkManager, reboot causes the resolve.conf file to be overwritten with nothing in it.
609 [05:26:46] <JNash_DMIS> themill: I know, but I don't know how to fix it. I need static ip addressing and bridging. As a result, I need static nameservers as their is no dhcp.
610 [05:27:11] <themill> Do you actually want network-manager doing anything?
611 [05:27:40] <JNash_DMIS> themill: No
612 [05:28:10] <themill> So any reason not to just disable it? (Assuming you can't uninstall it)
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615 [05:29:50] <JNash_DMIS> themill: I have tried to disable it. I have also purged it. Both seem to provide other issues. For instance, purging it causes virt-manager to break. Disabling it causes the resolv.conf file to locked.
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617 [05:30:29] <JNash_DMIS> themill: It feels like I am missing something small here. I am now bald from pulling my hair out.
618 [05:31:36] <themill> it looks also like you've got the resolvconf package there -- yet another thing that is trying to help
619 [05:32:07] <JNash_DMIS> themill: yes, agreed.
620 [05:34:53] <JNash_DMIS> themill: This is the error I get after disabling NetworkManager and then trying to edit resolv.conf "/etc/resolv.conf" E166: Can't open linked file for writing
621 [05:35:44] <JNash_DMIS> themill: And then the link still exists File: /etc/resolv.conf -> /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
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623 [05:37:06] <themill> removing that link and creating a plain text file there would be best
624 [05:37:26] <JNash_DMIS> themill: I dont know how to remove a link
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626 [05:37:30] <themill> rm
627 [05:38:15] <JNash_DMIS> themill: so, remove the link file or both?
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629 [05:40:20] <themill> the target (/var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf) is already gone, so just rm /etc/resolv.conf
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631 [05:41:19] <JNash_DMIS> themill: Ah, rm the resolv.conf file and then recreate it, right?
632 [05:41:33] <themill> yes
633 [05:41:40] <JNash_DMIS> got it
634 [05:41:44] <JNash_DMIS> standby 1
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636 [05:43:47] <outoftime> themill: replaced-url
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638 [05:44:57] <themill> outoftime: line 7 of /etc/apt/sources.list is wrong, just as I said
639 [05:45:40] <JNash_DMIS> themill: rebooting now to check the result
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643 [05:48:00] <JNash_DMIS> themill: I owe you a cold one. That worked!
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645 [05:48:16] <themill> :)
646 [05:48:40] <JNash_DMIS> themill: Thanks. I really appreciate the assistance.
647 [05:48:52] <themill> no worries, happy hunting
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658 [06:02:12] <jak2000> how to copy files from di1 to dir2 but only files that not exist in destination.....
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675 [06:14:55] <themill> jak2000: cp --no-clobber
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680 [06:18:25] <jak2000> how to copy files from di1 to dir2 but only files that not exist in destination.....
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689 [06:21:39] <themill> jak2000: cp --no-clobber
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694 [06:25:47] <jak2000> thanks
695 [06:25:48] <jak2000> worked
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741 [07:16:12] <karlpinc> outoftime: Security is not mirrored.
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743 [07:18:10] <outoftime> karlpinc: but when I'm using gnome's "Software & Update" tool it does. Is it a bug?
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745 [07:20:57] <karlpinc> outoftime: I don't know. Security updates always come from security.debian.org. Eventually they are put into the next point release.
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836 [08:53:01] <fredl> hi guys. I have a general networking question that's not neccesarily Debian related, is that okay?
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839 [08:55:54] <fredl> well lessee :) So I have in my network a Fritzbox router that's connected to the internet.... and a Linux server. Both their internal network connection is in the same subnet
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841 [08:56:30] <fredl> I would like to use the Linux box as a router though so I can watch network stats with ntopng
842 [08:56:58] <fredl> So since the Fritzbox does all the NAT, the Linux box has its default gw set to 192.168.178.1....
843 [08:57:19] <fredl> All other systems should have as default gw 192.168.178.2 (the linux box)
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847 [08:58:50] <fredl> The linux box has no NAT going on, but I made two changes to sysctl.conf, net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects=0
848 [08:59:10] <fredl> Now... when I try to use that setting and ping google.com I get:
849 [08:59:33] <fredl> From 82.197.215.233 (82.197.215.233) icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered
850 [09:00:15] <fredl> I have a very basic ferm firewall on the Linux server but nothing shocking
851 [09:00:29] <fredl> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 10545 packets, 7094K bytes)
852 [09:00:29] <fredl> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
853 [09:00:46] <outoftime> !paste
854 [09:00:47] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
855 [09:00:47] <fredl> So in fact it seems to SEE the forwarded packets and counts them
856 [09:01:05] <fredl> Oh... well it was 2 lines :)
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858 [09:02:06] <fredl> anybody?
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863 [09:02:58] <jim> here's another pastebin you might find handy: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999
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865 [09:04:38] <fredl> nc?
866 [09:04:56] <fredl> Oh, I have that
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870 [09:07:40] <jim> then whatever you pipe to... | nc termbin.com 9999 will be pastebinned, and the connection made to termbin with nc will return a url
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872 [09:08:01] <jim> which will be displayed on the terminal
873 [09:08:19] <fredl> Well that's all cool of course :) But it doesn't help me with my problem :P
874 [09:08:46] <jim> true... it merely makes some things easeir
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876 [09:09:05] <jim> easier even
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895 [09:30:42] <rant> ,v hedgewars
896 [09:30:43] <judd> Package: hedgewars on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.17-1; jessie: 0.9.20.5-12; jessie-backports: 0.9.22-dfsg-11~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.9.22-dfsg-11+b1; stretch-backports: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b2; sid: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b2
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950 [10:16:56] <Faket> Hey guys, I think dd messed up my usb keys... Can't have a propre partition table anymore, can't format the key... Can someone help me?
951 [10:18:11] <antto> what usb keys and what did you do?
952 [10:18:50] <Faket> I use dd to put my install iso on my keys
953 [10:19:09] <antto> usb flash storage?
954 [10:19:17] <Faket> but now, I have multiple partitions and I can't get ridd of them, yes usb flash storage
955 [10:19:47] <antto> okay, cuz "usb key" to me sounds more like some copy-protection usb dongle
956 [10:20:06] <Faket> Oh ok... :P
957 [10:20:11] <Faket> So no it's not protected
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959 [10:20:49] <antto> Faket the .iso of an installation can happen to have partitions and stuff.. did you install whatever it was successifully? and now you want to just use the flash stick for normal things?
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962 [10:21:24] <Faket> I have mutliple install on this key (dunno how it happens), but I'd like to wipe it all and put a new image on it
963 [10:21:37] <Faket> (and yes later i'd like to use it as a flash stick)
964 [10:21:52] <antto> just put a new .iso onto it with dd or other tool then
965 [10:22:10] <Faket> it's not working
966 [10:22:14] <antto> why?
967 [10:22:28] <Faket> I mean, i can do it, but then I still have the other iso on it
968 [10:22:37] <antto> check your dd arguments carefully
969 [10:22:49] <antto> does dd fail immediately?
970 [10:22:54] <Faket> dd doesn't fail
971 [10:23:11] <antto> wrong device path then? :/
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976 [10:25:10] <Faket> I just ran dd if=myiso of=/dev/sde ; sync
977 [10:25:14] <Faket> and my key isn't working
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979 [10:25:49] <antto> hm
980 [10:26:22] <antto> i usually use different arguments (not saying they are good..)
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982 [10:26:42] <Faket> replaced-url
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984 [10:26:47] <Faket> I have that on my key atm
985 [10:27:04] <antto> dd if=input of=output bs=32K conv=sync status=progress
986 [10:28:13] <Faket> 334495744 octets (334 MB, 319 MiB) copiés, 0.142704 s, 2.3 GB/s doesn't that sounds ridiculously fast? XD
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988 [10:28:21] <Faket> (I did the same with your options)
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990 [10:29:33] <antto> hm
991 [10:29:43] <Faket> Ok if i put another one it's doing something
992 [10:31:10] <Faket> but still, this doesn't seems to be bootable...
993 [10:31:22] <Faket> wth is hapenning...
994 [10:31:26] <antto> some of these devices afaik have buffers, so if your OS writes data to it, the flash stick may immediately tell the os "i'm done!" but it's actually not yet written it down.. it's just in a buffer
995 [10:32:22] <antto> is your iso corrupted btw?
996 [10:32:39] <antto> that won't explain the weird things, but..
997 [10:33:02] <Faket> antto I tried with multiple iso's, my problem isn't that it's not booting, my problem is that on this computer I have multiple partitions on the usb stick
998 [10:33:08] <Faket> It should'nt be that way
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1000 [10:33:38] <antto> after you write an ISO to it, it may have multiple partitions - that's not a problem by itself
1001 [10:33:56] <antto> the iso can contain a partition table, or not..
1002 [10:33:59] <Faket> No it's not, but it seems to be one for my other computer...
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1004 [10:34:14] <Faket> usually I don't have any trouble doing that
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1009 [10:36:38] <Faket> I just put the linuxmint iso on my key, ahd it's booting on the xubuntu iso, which should'nt be on the stick anymore
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1014 [10:42:18] <Faket> I'm wondering if it's not my computer here who is doing shit
1015 [10:42:53] <Faket> I just pluged my usb stick in my laptop and it seems to be on the state I want it now, gparted fixed the problem I couldn't fix on my desktop computer
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1020 [10:45:55] <antto> hm, in situations like that, it's not a bad idea to take a step back, and look at the whole issue and see if you're not forgetting something silly
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1022 [10:46:59] <Faket> The only thing I could do right now is rebooting this desktop, but it should'nt be the way
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1025 [10:47:19] <linuxthefish_> hey, how can I fix a NTFS disk that shows the exclamation mark in gparted?
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1027 [10:47:42] <shtrb> Is it "bad flag" or "locked" ?
1028 [10:48:06] <linuxthefish_> I get the error message when clicking on info: "Unable to read the contents of this file system! Because of this some operations may be unavailable. The cause might be a missing software package. The following list of software packages is required for ntfs file system support: ntfs-3g / ntfsprogs."
1029 [10:48:17] <linuxthefish_> however ntfs-3g is installed
1030 [10:48:33] <linuxthefish_> I'm on debian 9.2 :)
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1032 [10:49:00] <shtrb> file ntfsfix
1033 [10:49:36] <shtrb> what about ntfsprogs ?
1034 [10:50:07] <Faket> On my laptop, I see a 8Go stick, on my desktop I see a 1.76Go stick, something is wrong somewhere
1035 [10:50:34] <antto> Faket where are you seeing this?
1036 [10:50:49] <linuxthefish_> yeah shtrb I ran it and I still get "Unable to read the contents of this file system!" error in gparted
1037 [10:50:51] <shtrb> linuxthefish_, try mounting manually sudo mount -t ntfs-3f /dev/pattion some/good/location
1038 [10:51:25] <Faket> antto Gparted for example
1039 [10:51:42] <antto> Faket windows for example might tell you that drive E:\ is "300MB" while it's actually a 700MB CD, and that's normal
1040 [10:51:46] <shtrb> maybe you have a hibernet bit set (mount normally complain about that )
1041 [10:52:00] <shtrb> *hibernate
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1043 [10:52:04] <linuxthefish_> shtrb, if I do that I get "unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3f'"
1044 [10:52:08] <Faket> Both are on debian buster
1045 [10:52:21] <shtrb> *3g not 3f
1046 [10:52:22] <shtrb> sorry
1047 [10:52:34] <linuxthefish_> whoops lol
1048 [10:52:37] <Faket> And I dd the same way on my laptop this time, I got an install stick of debian_buster working
1049 [10:53:05] <Faket> I think my desktop is doing shit
1050 [10:53:10] <shtrb> linuxthefish_, check in dmesg and syslog to see errors if they are (also make sure you put the correct path and parttion)
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1052 [10:53:25] <antto> Faket no idea then.. do you have any other storage devices plugged into the computers for which you might be forgetting maybe?
1053 [10:53:27] <linuxthefish_> yeah it mounts fine shtrb but I wanted to resize it in gparted and create a new ext4 luks encrypted partition to move my data to
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1055 [10:53:32] <linuxthefish_> i'll have a look
1056 [10:53:43] <Faket> antto I don't understand the question...
1057 [10:53:48] <Faket> I have some others device yes
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1059 [10:54:28] <antto> i mean, it's possible that you're plugging this usb stick, but then you are writing an ISO to a different usb stick..
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1062 [10:55:13] <Faket> Nope it isn't
1063 [10:55:33] <linuxthefish_> Faket if you dd or write an image to the USB drive then it will have the partition table of the smaller image
1064 [10:55:45] <antto> i've had a series of failures with some cheap usb3.0 usb flash sticks, they got very hot and stopped working literally after minutes
1065 [10:55:57] <Faket> let's asume i don't have any problem with dd
1066 [10:56:14] <linuxthefish_> thanks shtrb nothing I can see, I'll try resizing and checking in windows then see what happens :)
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1068 [10:56:24] <Faket> why my 8Go freshly formated usb stick is working fine on my laptop and is doing shit on my desktop?
1069 [10:56:34] <linuxthefish_> antto everyone knows the $1 aliexpress 32gb sticks are the best ;)
1070 [10:57:02] <antto> nah, we got them from a local store
1071 [10:57:11] <shtrb> linuxthefish_, unmount and verify nothing uses it also check the other resizing options (like parttionamanager)
1072 [10:57:32] <linuxthefish_> thanks, I'll give it a go and if no luck I'll give windows a try
1073 [10:57:54] <linuxthefish_> I need to get all my data encrypted before getting back to the UK
1074 [10:57:56] <shtrb> everything just not to have windows :D
1075 [10:58:35] <shtrb> Isn't that illegal ?
1076 [10:58:53] <linuxthefish_> shtrb it's illegal not to give them the password
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1078 [10:59:19] <linuxthefish_> it's not illegal to 'forget' it or have them not find your drives
1079 [10:59:29] <shtrb> lol
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1081 [11:00:25] <linuxthefish_> I'm so sorry officer I was playing around with this thing called linux after watching a youtube video and it seems to have encrypted my pc by accident, I don't know how it happened
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1084 [11:01:51] <shtrb> linuxthefish_, replaced-url
1085 [11:02:21] <linuxthefish_> pff I can't type my password when drunk, drugs would be no good
1086 [11:02:44] <linuxthefish_> ah crap I can already hear the sirens, got to go!
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1102 [11:09:14] <quazgar> Hi, is there a way to undo an accidental Magic SysRq "remount-ro"? I tried `mount -o remount,rw /dev/mapper/kubuntu--vg-root /`, but it fails with `/: mount point not mounted or bad option.`. mount says: /dev/mapper/kubuntu--vg-root on / type ext4 (ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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1123 [11:21:38] <nyov> quazgar: I don't think so, at least I also didn't manage to remount / as rw in the past
1124 [11:22:57] <shtrb> is it a systemd thing ?
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1131 [11:26:25] <nyov> no. sysrq is replaced-url
1132 [11:26:49] <shtrb> I know what sysrq is, I'm asking if sysrq malfunction is because of systemd
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1137 [11:28:05] <nyov> you mean systemd accidentially doing sysrq commands? now that would be bad :D I think by accidential he meant 'human error'
1138 [11:28:29] <quazgar> yes, brain-finger-coordination :-)
1139 [11:29:00] <shtrb> nyov, systemctl restart systemd-remount-fs work (can do some damage )
1140 [11:29:12] <nyov> anyway, root seems to be immune to remounting from what I can tell
1141 [11:30:19] <shtrb> quazgar, it's systemd it works in mysterious ways
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1143 [11:30:59] <nyov> which is weird, but at least my experience. and no, I don't use systemd
1144 [11:31:12] <shtrb> duavean ?
1145 [11:31:22] <nyov> sysvinit
1146 [11:31:27] <shtrb> wow
1147 [11:31:32] <shtrb> nice
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1149 [11:32:10] <nyov> xD perhaps.
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1151 [11:32:44] <nyov> the upgrade isn't always straightforward to keep it around, but it works for me
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1154 [11:33:14] <nyov> except for horribly broken cgmanager. now that package sucks :(
1155 [11:34:37] <quazgar> On the Edge E130 keyboard (google for pics), the SysRq key is right next to the AltGr key, which I use together with "u" for Ümläuts. So it's easily possible to press AltGr+SysRq+U :-/
1156 [11:34:54] <shtrb> quazgar, can you see some other lines around that error ?
1157 [11:35:20] <quazgar> shtrb: no, also no `journalctl -f` lines
1158 [11:35:52] <quazgar> but thanks for the confirmation that it didn't work for you either, nyov
1159 [11:35:58] <shtrb> very intellectually chalenged thing , can you do unmount /dev/mapper and then mount again ?
1160 [11:36:20] <shtrb> unmount /dev/mapper/kubuntu... and then remount again as you did
1161 [11:36:22] <nyov> quazgar: yeah, sorry. I had similar trouble with a VM in recent past.
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1163 [11:36:33] <nyov> shtrb: can't unmount /
1164 [11:36:54] <quazgar> shtrb: I could try, but I guess that would bring my system close to crashing down. It can't hurt though, it's ro anyways now :-)
1165 [11:38:01] * shtrb checks if the sun is still up because someone is unmounting root
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1174 [11:42:44] <jelly> quazgar, there's no other way than a reboot
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1177 [11:43:11] <shtrb> there was the mtab ignore option
1178 [11:43:13] <nyov> I might remember this incorrectly, but I'm almost certain this used to work in the long ago
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1181 [11:45:42] <shtrb> quazgar, did the unmount + remount worked ?
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1183 [11:46:36] <nyov> obviously not :D that would require unmounting /dev and /sys first
1184 [11:46:37] <shtrb> or just remount with "-n"
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1189 [11:49:57] <shtrb> `mount -n o remount,rw /dev/mapper/kubuntu--vg-root /
1190 [11:50:51] <COOurb> hi, did you hear about YOLO framework?
1191 [11:51:20] <shtrb> also known as login to kde with root ?
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1234 [12:25:28] <shtrb> to remount ext4 you need to fsck after a sysrq+u
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1237 [12:26:11] <shtrb> systemd-remount-fs did not work but fsck + mount -o remount,rw /dev/mapper/root / worked
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1239 [12:26:26] <shtrb> nyov ^
1240 [12:27:04] <nyov> interesting
1241 [12:27:30] <shtrb> it also disconnected my wifi in the progress but I blame network-manager for that :D
1242 [12:29:20] <shtrb> I also found it does "org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object" but I have no idea what harm it did
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1250 [12:35:20] <nehemiah> Is there a way to run a script with root privileges on user login. For clarity, this would be after the user logs in using lightdm.
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1252 [12:37:03] <diogenes_> nehemiah, you can try to add your command to /etc/rc.local andit will run as root on login
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1255 [12:38:08] <shtrb> isn't rc.local dead ?
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1257 [12:38:42] <diogenes_> shtrb, i use a debian based :) so in my case that works
1258 [12:38:57] <diogenes_> that's why i'm not sure it will run on debian
1259 [12:40:18] <nehemiah> Maybe I asked too soon. It seems that systemd supports user sessions.
1260 [12:40:27] <nehemiah> That would probably be the way to go.
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1262 [12:40:49] <shtrb> nehemiah, you can create a unit for per user (.local/... ) or you could work with logind
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1264 [12:41:31] <shtrb> ~/.local/share/systemd/user
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1266 [12:42:53] <nehemiah> shtrb: Yes, I think I'll give that a shot.
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1270 [12:44:19] <shtrb> fair notice systemd is evil
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1287 [12:54:00] <mrig> Hello, do you have any thoughts on python, is it best to use the packaged version?
1288 [12:54:28] <mrig> Are there reasons not to look at the latest version, for the stability if the systen?
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1293 [12:56:51] <Thedarkb-T60> Right, my PC locked up overnight.
1294 [12:56:59] <Thedarkb-T60> and wouldn't reboot this morning.
1295 [12:57:11] <Thedarkb-T60> Until I put it in recovery mode and it booted without a single error.
1296 [12:57:39] <Thedarkb-T60> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1309 [13:07:11] <cnx> mrig: i personally use debian's version, i mean, why not
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1313 [13:07:54] <cnx> anyone here compile kernel from linux-source package?
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1316 [13:09:03] <cnx> is the procedure simply copy the config from /usr/src/linux-config, make the debs and install them?
1317 [13:09:23] <SwedeMike> cnx: replaced-url
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1322 [13:10:54] <cnx> i'm following replaced-url
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1324 [13:11:00] <mrig> cnx: Yes I am doing the same, seems a little extreme to look for bleeding edge, just not sure when it comes to an actual programming language what would be considered best practice. Given the number of people still using python 2 I suppose keeping with the bundled version would not even be considered being conservative by some.
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1326 [13:11:27] <cnx> and used make deb-pkg, is it OK SwedeMike
1327 [13:11:39] <cnx> I'm in middle of the compilation
1328 [13:11:56] <mrig> This guy is also recommending adding spaces into file names, so I shall take with a pinch of salt :)
1329 [13:12:17] <cnx> mrig: i only write end-user programs, and any python >= 3.5 is enough
1330 [13:12:29] <mrig> right
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1333 [13:13:24] <mrig> ok yes I see, If the target user requires a more recent edition, then it is time to get out the latest.
1334 [13:13:27] <cnx> my preference is pretty much python and pip from debian, and everything else from PyPI
1335 [13:13:28] <mrig> makes sense
1336 [13:13:54] <mrig> Right yes, so a venv for all projects.
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1339 [13:14:07] <cnx> not really, IMHO it's more like we should try to provide compatibility as wide as possibly
1340 [13:14:52] <mrig> Ah ok, so you try to install a selection across the board in your shell?
1341 [13:14:57] <mrig> but using pip
1342 [13:15:06] <cnx> maybe i'm weird but i just install deps from pip, no virtual env
1343 [13:15:42] <mrig> venv seems to go against that which I have learned about the reason for having dynamic libraries.
1344 [13:15:54] <mrig> For c and c++.
1345 [13:15:58] <cnx> don't tell anyone but i ask my friends to test
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1352 [13:16:22] <cnx> cuz i also need testing on windows and macOS ne
1353 [13:16:23] <mrig> But for some reason this seems to be different in the python world some how.
1354 [13:16:29] <mrig> right yes
1355 [13:16:30] <cnx> (nose exhale)
1356 [13:16:51] <cnx> maybe with server people IDK
1357 [13:17:09] <cnx> i mean
1358 [13:17:29] <cnx> it's not even difficult to write sth compatible w/ both py2 and 3
1359 [13:17:55] <cnx> changes mostly are syntactic sugars, they are cool, sure, but
1360 [13:17:58] <mrig> I see, to learn to code for both.
1361 [13:18:30] <cnx> i think learning py3 is enough
1362 [13:18:37] <mrig> yes I see that you just include an extra two words in a class definition and it makes it compatible with both 2 and 3
1363 [13:18:43] <mrig> I am learning 3
1364 [13:18:45] <cnx> and do trial run if it works in py2 ne
1365 [13:19:03] <mrig> but being attentive to the differences when I can.
1366 [13:19:17] <cnx> *thumbs up*
1367 [13:19:30] <cnx> but hey any other python guys here
1368 [13:19:38] <cnx> DAE still do old style class
1369 [13:19:39] <mrig> just looking at jupyter at the moment two, bit blown away by it to be honest.
1370 [13:19:56] <cnx> i mean i still ``class foo:'''
1371 [13:20:19] <mrig> I am a die hard terminal fan, but this is quite a thing.
1372 [13:20:42] <mrig> of right no () after the class?
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1374 [13:21:14] <cnx> my classes don't inherit obj
1375 [13:21:23] <cnx> how is it, i mean jupiter
1376 [13:21:26] <mrig> what about inheritance, oh an after thought?
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1379 [13:23:02] <mrig> cnx: It is great when working academicaly, I have been working from a book, and the matplotlib is pretty cold with out an actual investment in the data that is concerned. Using this makes it much easier to store worked examples for referance.
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1382 [13:24:34] <mrig> I hate working in the browser but this is a little different somehow. Tempted to jump to emacs though for the same result.
1383 [13:24:43] <cnx> i think the new convention is class foo(obj): but not sure if it's OK to omit that
1384 [13:24:56] <mrig> I have learned that yes.
1385 [13:24:58] <cnx> jupiter looks cool, is it heavy
1386 [13:25:11] <cnx> ohhh heeeyyyy
1387 [13:25:13] <mrig> then the super is different for python 2 and 3
1388 [13:25:23] <mrig> heavy man.
1389 [13:25:32] <cnx> not sure how it works, but you can use basic emacs binding in firefox
1390 [13:25:52] <mrig> it is a spin of from ipython and emacs org mode I think
1391 [13:26:23] <cnx> i think it's something to do with .input, but anyway in gnome just open tweaks
1392 [13:27:00] <mrig> could be that the org mode code running ability came from the ipython not sure which way round it was
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1394 [13:27:57] <mrig> Would be cool to have ipython in the linux shell too.
1395 [13:28:10] <mrig> well in a linux shell
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1397 [13:28:33] <mrig> not need the browser part
1398 [13:28:53] <mrig> could run from a wm then too :)
1399 [13:29:24] <mrig> Oh I love this stuff. Very cool all of this :D
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1404 [13:31:17] <mrig> Oh, I should read a little more about ipython from the looks of it.
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1413 [13:39:53] <RoyK> cnx: I'd rather want vim bindings ;)
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1420 [13:44:00] <enoq> is /etc/aliases used for anything other than postfix?
1421 [13:44:14] <enoq> I want to redirect root to my account
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1425 [13:45:33] <RoyK> enoq: any MTA should use it - which one do you use?
1426 [13:45:56] <enoq> postfix
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1428 [13:46:36] <RoyK> then add root: your@accont.asdf to /etc/aliases and run newaliases
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1432 [13:49:23] <enoq> ok, thanks
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1434 [13:50:38] <RoyK> you can add multiple emails if you like - just separate them with commas
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1448 [13:59:45] <RoyK> enoq: newaliases creates the aliases.db hash from the aliases text file, so run that after modifying anything, or it won't work
1449 [14:00:43] <mrig> Oh darn, that is a shame, yes jupyter qtconsole with vim bindings would be nice :)
1450 [14:01:38] <jelly> enoq, the right side of an alias does not have to be a complete email address, it can be a local account
1451 [14:01:54] <enoq> yep, I know
1452 [14:02:12] <enoq> was just wondering how much of an impact that file has
1453 [14:02:57] <jelly> it's going to affect everything that sends mail by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail
1454 [14:03:25] <jelly> which is the usual way of sending email on unix
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1481 [14:24:46] <zenzink> hello
1482 [14:24:56] <zenzink> anyone?
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1523 [14:49:51] <rgr> if you have a Q ask it.
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1525 [14:50:34] <RoyK> rgr: zenzink left one minute after (s)he joined ;)
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1528 [14:52:40] <at0m> the benefits of tab-completion for nicks^
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1530 [14:53:16] <RoyK> at0m: doesn't work after the person left (at least on my irssi)
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1534 [14:54:03] <at0m> RoyK: indeed. tabcompletion fails, means nick left
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1537 [14:57:08] <at0m> (not that i never reply to users who already left:)
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1553 [15:09:26] <Li> are there any bash script to turn a specific wireless usb dongle into an accesspoint?
1554 [15:09:45] <Li> < couldn't do it manually! :(
1555 [15:09:47] <at0m> Li: have a look at hostapd
1556 [15:10:09] <Li> at0m: I've already been through many tutorials about hostapd and dnsmasq
1557 [15:10:14] <Li> nothing worked for me!
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1559 [15:10:25] <Li> could you suggest one really working tutorial?
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1561 [15:11:30] <Li> another issue when I go to turn on hotspot from the network gui it doesn't make any action
1562 [15:11:45] <Li> I found this tool nmtui seems promissing to get thing done
1563 [15:12:03] <at0m> does your wifi chip work for hostapd? cos some do not, they can't be used for AP. if i understand correctly, not all wireless chips can connect to multiple others at once - a requirement for AP's.
1564 [15:13:13] <Li> Mode:Managed Frequency=2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated
1565 [15:13:26] <at0m> that's of no interest
1566 [15:13:29] <Li> which command to confirm whether it supports ap or not
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1570 [15:13:56] <at0m> there's no command. there's a list of supported chips at replaced-url
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1572 [15:14:17] <at0m> if yours is not in the list, it doesnt do AP.
1573 [15:14:39] <at0m> that's a hardware limitation, no script is going to solve that.
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1576 [15:14:58] <Li> now this is interesting .. my tp-link dongle appears on debian as realtek!
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1578 [15:15:38] <at0m> does tplink even make wireless chips?
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1582 [15:17:19] <at0m> doesnt matter what it says on the box or who put their sticker on the dongle. it's what's inside that linux talks to.
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1584 [15:17:39] <Li> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter
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1588 [15:19:50] <at0m> i have rtl8191su that works as AP using driver=nl80211
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1590 [15:21:03] <at0m> Li: replaced-url
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1593 [15:21:56] <at0m> Li: another: replaced-url
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1598 [15:23:19] <Li> thanks .. I'll get into that
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1600 [15:23:41] <at0m> Li: get the firmware, if you haven't already, using apt install firmware-realtek
1601 [15:24:19] <at0m> lightx: that one supports the RTL8188EU, i'm not sure about RTL8188EUS but that's as good as i can find now
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1603 [15:24:48] <at0m> ompletion fail^ \o/
1604 [15:24:50] <at0m> c
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1629 [15:40:25] <linux_user> hello all
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1631 [15:41:13] <linux_user> I'd like to install debian but with a larger /boot partition (not 248MB, more like 10-12GB), where must I modify the ISO so it defaults to a larger size for guided partitioning?
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1644 [15:48:57] <TaZeR> linux_user: why would u want a 10-12gb boot partition?
1645 [15:49:09] <TaZeR> 1gb should be plenty to hold a bunch of kernels
1646 [15:49:19] <TaZeR> 512mb is enough for most
1647 [15:49:35] <P-G> Is there a way to install old versions of OpenSSL with apt? I've tried searching with apt-cache (madison|showpkg) but it only finds the version I already have.
1648 [15:49:55] <linux_user> because it isn't going to be just a bunch of kernels. I intend to use GRML and have ISOs there to boot as well. That is why. that said the person that PM'ed me this page, thank you! replaced-url
1649 [15:50:11] <TaZeR> ah i see
1650 [15:50:56] <linux_user> eventually I intend to use encrypted lvm and will put the /boot on a 32GB USB stick, with the password key for LUKS on the stick, then if I pull the stick out to use it else where the system is unbootable
1651 [15:51:46] <nyov> P-G: needs more info. which version is it you have, what version do you want? Generally speaking, you can get old version of stuff from replaced-url
1652 [15:53:01] <P-G> Nyov: I'm trying to install HPN-SSH, which says it does not (yet) support OpenSSL<=1.1.0. My install came with 1.1.0f.
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1656 [15:53:48] <nyov> which install is that?
1657 [15:53:53] <nyov> ,v openssl
1658 [15:53:54] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.0h-4; sid: 1.1.1-1
1659 [15:54:16] <P-G> Debian 4.9.110-1.
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1667 [15:56:21] <P-G> Snapshot website shows 1.0.2l-1 as the most recent prior to 1.1.0. Would this be a good choice?
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1669 [15:57:51] <nyov> are you actually looking for openssl or libssl? yes 1.0.2 is the latest version shipped, before 1.1.0
1670 [15:58:28] <P-G> When I try to compile HPN-SSH, it says OpenSSL. I can't say for sure though.
1671 [15:59:10] <nyov> try installing libssl1.0-dev
1672 [15:59:25] <nyov> ,v libssl1.0-dev
1673 [15:59:26] <judd> Package: libssl1.0-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.2l-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.0.2l-2+deb9u3; buster: 1.0.2o-1; sid: 1.0.2o-1
1674 [15:59:35] <nyov> is 1.0.2 on stretch
1675 [16:00:35] <nyov> which I think you have. (4.9 would be etch - if it ever had a .9)
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1684 [16:05:48] <P-G> It seems like it compiled successfully, thank you. Now I just need to figure out how to actually install it. :p
1685 [16:06:01] <nyov> :)
1686 [16:06:18] <P-G> Are there any security implications associated with running this older version of libssl?
1687 [16:07:30] <nyov> well, if you have the suite stretch-security enabled, you're getting security updates of it. I'd say "safe enough"
1688 [16:07:59] <themill> assuming that it is dynamically linked against that library
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1690 [16:08:12] <soda__hobart> so I don't want to start a flamewar or anything, but is 'curl' pronounced like a lock of hair, or like The C Programming Language -- you -- are -- elle?
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1694 [16:08:48] <P-G> I pronounce it as one word, since that's how it's spelled.
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1698 [16:10:24] <soda__hobart> That would be the most efficient, I think.
1699 [16:11:35] <P-G> Nyov, would that be having this in sources.list? 'deb replaced-url
1700 [16:12:11] <P-G> I'm not sure what the dynamic linking is.
1701 [16:12:52] <nyov> P-G: yes
1702 [16:13:14] <P-G> If that's the association between libssl and something else, hopefully it would be done automatically on install?
1703 [16:13:16] <dvs> Is that even right?
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1706 [16:13:40] <nyov> verify your build binaries with ldd, that they actually make use of that libssl version you installed (but since it failed before, it probably does)
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1708 [16:14:04] <nyov> dvs: the debian-security path is optional
1709 [16:14:21] <dvs> ok
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1722 [16:25:05] <P-G> Are there any other settings I should look for when compiling OpenSSH?
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1726 [16:26:09] <APOLLO42O> © 2018 Ben Oliver | bfoliver.com by Ben Oliver is licen
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1733 [16:30:00] <nyov> P-G: if you don't know, you should be asking yourself if you really want to be doing a custom compile at all
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1736 [16:30:33] <nyov> but you can look how the debian package builds it
1737 [16:31:36] <mvaenskae> what is the correct approach to use for a synaptics touchpad? synaptics or libinput on xorg?
1738 [16:31:37] <nyov> replaced-url
1739 [16:33:02] <P-G> Ok, thanks. :)
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1742 [16:34:02] <P-G> I really don't want to do this, but supposedly HPN-SSH doubles transfer speeds... I couldn't find it in the repo.
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1778 [16:53:31] <nyov> P-G: so I dug around a bit on this HPN patch-set. Conclusion seems to be: it's relatively useless nowadays and not really faster than vanilla
1779 [16:54:00] <nyov> so I'm not sure where you got that info, but perhaps your setup differs from the standards
1780 [16:54:13] <nyov> specifically: replaced-url
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1782 [16:55:19] <nyov> also another note says AES-CTR-MT which this patch is based around is not really current spec. today, AES-GCM is more current state
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1793 [17:00:25] <P-G> I won't deny that this is all pretty much over my head. My research suggests the performance improvement is primarily due to increased buffer size and more intelligent scaling of said buffer size. Everything I've found suggests that those changes have not been upstreamed by OpenSSH, but I don't know for sure.
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1797 [17:02:08] <P-G> I can say this, on my test system with default sshd_config, I did experience more than a 100% increase in transfer speed. There may be various other factors involved so I will continue to test it periodically for a while.
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1800 [17:03:18] <nyov> okay then, ignore my comment. I've just wondered myself why it wouldn't be mainlined if it had such magic performance improvements
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1809 [17:06:52] <P-G> My question exactly, but I couldn't find anything difinitive on that. It seems like pretty much everyone on the end-user level is assuming the patches are old and already incorporated into OpenSSH, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
1810 [17:07:07] <nyov> and this said the performance mainly came from multi-threading the CTR cipher, but was negated by AES-NI's improvements in general
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1815 [17:07:37] <P-G> Yeah, I read about the cipher improvements, but that was fairly recent.
1816 [17:07:39] <P-G> I think.
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1818 [17:08:55] <nyov> well, if you see improvements, I guess go for it. no idea what the crypto world has to say about it:)
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1834 [17:16:05] <BCMM> P-G: pn-ssh isn't integrated upstream, at all
1835 [17:16:52] <BCMM> P-G: the optimised AES implementation is considered obsolete by some people because certain recent CPUs have hardware AES implementations available that are even faster
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1847 [17:18:38] <egrain> what does debian even mean?
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1849 [17:18:56] <nyov> gooogleit
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1852 [17:19:41] <egrain> nyov, i tried. wikipedia didn't tell me anything.
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1854 [17:19:52] <nyov> really?
1855 [17:19:57] <g0zzy> I don't get this. I was reading an old pata drive fine with a usb converter a hour or two ago and now it's saying there's a bad superblock. What could be afoot?
1856 [17:19:58] <egrain> maybe i should type in the actual question.
1857 [17:20:12] <pragomer> is there an opensource alternative to teamviewer that is recommended to be easy (e.g. without adding rules to my router)
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1859 [17:20:25] <egrain> debra and ian?
1860 [17:20:27] <egrain> what?
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1862 [17:20:40] <Ether_Man> Hi. Umm.. I have to ask because I'm stumped... But how do I reread the etc/network/interfaces after modifying during a netinstall (testing)? Service doesn't exist, nor does init.d, or ifdown/ifup, or systemctl :/
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1866 [17:21:22] <egrain> this is the actual meaning it seems. now i like the name a lot less.
1867 [17:21:28] <egrain> well, thanks anyway.
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1869 [17:21:53] <g0zzy> Teamviewer needs an organization as well as software to work
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1871 [17:22:22] <g0zzy> (which is why you don't have firewall issues)
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1903 [17:33:01] <g0zzy> I don't get this. I was reading an old pata drive fine with a usb converter a hour or two ago and now it's saying there's a bad superblock. What could be afoot?
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1907 [17:34:44] <at0m> g0zzy: have a machine with pata connection? always works better on low level than usb converters.
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1910 [17:35:20] <trysten> replaced-url
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1914 [17:36:56] <g0zzy> at0m: Well the only box i've got has just collapsed
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1916 [17:37:17] <at0m> g0zzy: the hardware? or the disk running the OS?
1917 [17:37:33] <at0m> trysten: short story long, replaced-url
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1920 [17:37:59] <g0zzy> The hardware. The odd thing is that parted doesn't like it but fdisk doesn't complain. But it won't mount
1921 [17:38:48] <veek> how do you disable the 'Detect and Mount CD-ROM' when preseeding via grub cmdline.. the: linux vmlinuz locale=en_GB.UTF-8 ... line; additionally, how do i specify file=/hd-image/files/preseed.cfg when my ISO is on /dev/sdb3/files and root=/dev/sdb1 - i appened that to linux but it's not mounting anything on /hd-image
1922 [17:40:16] <trysten> thanks at0m!
1923 [17:40:30] <RoyK> g0zzy: if you have a bad drive, don't use it read-write, just run ddrescue to get the data out first of all
1924 [17:42:01] <FinalX> theres better tools for it, dd interrupts on read errors by default
1925 [17:42:08] <FinalX> but, yes :P
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1927 [17:42:22] <RoyK> FinalX: ddrescue, not dd
1928 [17:42:38] <RoyK> !ddrescue
1929 [17:42:38] <dpkg> dd_rescue (packaged for Debian as ddrescue) is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. Unlike dd, dd_rescue will keep going on despite errors. It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards. replaced-url
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1931 [17:43:35] <RoyK> FinalX: I once spent three weeks to rescue a bad disk - 97% or so was reovered
1932 [17:43:51] <FinalX> oh, ok :) sorry
1933 [17:43:53] <g0zzy> Thanks. I don't see how this happened
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1935 [17:45:53] <g0zzy> Is there anything other than e2fsck i can try. That choked
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1937 [17:46:10] <RoyK> FinalX: it uses similar techniques as dd, but it starts out reading large chunks and if it finds bad sectors, it starts reading smaller and smaller parts, with a lot of retries and then (hopefully) ends up with something usable
1938 [17:46:15] <FinalX> g0zzy: RoyK just recommended ddrescue to you
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1940 [17:46:25] <FinalX> g0zzy: to try and recover whatever is recoverable
1941 [17:46:33] <FinalX> RoyK: ah, cool :)
1942 [17:46:40] <RoyK> but not on a live filesystem
1943 [17:46:46] <RoyK> make sure it's unmoutend
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1945 [17:46:58] <RoyK> and that you have sufficient space for it somewhere else
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1947 [17:47:37] <RoyK> just do the whole disk and then use kpartx to map it to loopback devices - then try fsck on them
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1949 [17:47:46] <veek> check smartctl for disk errors
1950 [17:47:57] <RoyK> better yet, ddrescue first, then make a full copy of the disk image - then fsck
1951 [17:48:21] <RoyK> veek: if it's an old PATA drive it shouldn't matter that much - I guess it won't be in use anymore
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1953 [17:48:53] <RoyK> veek: if smart data tell it's bad, the only way out of it is either ddrescue or some company charging you $1k to rescue it
1954 [17:49:00] <RoyK> or a lot more
1955 [17:49:09] <g0zzy> It's just weird, It was reading fine a few minutes ago
1956 [17:49:29] <RoyK> g0zzy: disks die like people - they don't plan on it
1957 [17:49:43] <RoyK> g0zzy: how large is the disk?
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1959 [17:50:14] <g0zzy> 250GB
1960 [17:50:16] <FinalX> if the disk is spinning rust and the head spins up but keeps spinning and ticking, often putting it in an airtight bag and then putting it in the freezer for a while helps .. just hook it up asap after taking it out, helped me recover data from 15 year old disks that wouldn't go anymore :P a few times in a row for some to recover all data
1961 [17:50:36] <RoyK> g0zzy: do you have 250GB available somewhere else?
1962 [17:50:44] <g0zzy> Oh yes
1963 [17:51:06] <RoyK> good - then start ddrescue - use a log so that you can continue the rescue if it's interrupted
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1965 [17:51:20] <RoyK> DO NOT mount the fs
1966 [17:51:26] <g0zzy> I'm just thinking that fiddling with the PATA->USB kit might work?
1967 [17:51:36] <at0m> FinalX: i done that to get the head from the disks if it stuck to it. but only as last resort after i tried everything else
1968 [17:51:39] <RoyK> better run ddrescue first
1969 [17:51:46] <RoyK> then play with the disk later
1970 [17:51:53] <FinalX> at0m: yeah exactly :)
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1972 [17:52:19] <nyov> if the ata-usb adapter is borked, even ddrescue won't make much sense
1973 [17:52:39] <RoyK> nyov: give it a cold restart and check if you can find the disk
1974 [17:52:46] <FinalX> at0m: had one that just wouldn't spin up properly at all, no matter how i tried.. but after doing that a few times i managed to get it to spin up properly long enough for me to actually get like 95% of the data of
1975 [17:52:48] <FinalX> off*
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1977 [17:53:15] <FinalX> if you suspect that adapter to be borked, get a new one first or it might cause even more issues for the disk
1978 [17:54:00] <g0zzy> nyov: well it's just weird that the drive would fail in the last few minutes
1979 [17:54:25] <P-G> Nyov, this seems like the most authoritative explanation: replaced-url
1980 [17:55:29] <RoyK> g0zzy: it's nothing weird in disks failing - they do that all the time
1981 [17:55:32] <at0m> FinalX: and tap it firmly on its side, vertically, to get the head of. i wouldnt advise that to anyone. only before giving up on the disk =)
1982 [17:55:56] <RoyK> at0m: that will probabaly make things worse
1983 [17:56:12] <RoyK> at0m: that tip is very old - modern drives don't get stiction
1984 [17:56:17] <at0m> ok
1985 [17:57:13] <RoyK> in the old days, disks had coating that sometimes made the heads stick, but that only happened if the disk was shut down and cooled down
1986 [17:57:38] <RoyK> modern disks use contact heads and don't have that coating, and it certainly wouldn't stuck if it was spinning
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1989 [17:59:17] <FinalX> RoyK: i'm talking about like 8gb disks and stuff here that i took out of the computers i tossed in the attic and never looked at again until recently :p
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1991 [17:59:52] <FinalX> though they didnt get stuck either, they just wouldn't read the disk properly
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1999 [18:00:33] <RoyK> FinalX: just trying to help out here - if a drive fails, and is still readable, don't write to it - just ddrescue it
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2003 [18:01:55] <RoyK> g0zzy: any contact with the disk?
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2008 [18:03:39] <g0zzy> Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sde is what parted gives me. Perhaps just the partition table got corrupted?
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2011 [18:04:46] <RoyK> g0zzy: don't bother - just ddrescue all of /dev/sde
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2013 [18:05:05] <RoyK> g0zzy: it may work and it may not - good luck
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2015 [18:05:15] <RoyK> g0zzy: just don't try to mount it
2016 [18:06:09] <g0zzy> I can do that into a file can't i?
2017 [18:06:42] <RoyK> replaced-url
2018 [18:06:46] <RoyK> it's quite simple
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2024 [18:10:30] <g0zzy> Started. I can presumably loop mount the output and read it (hopefully) as the original fs?
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2031 [18:11:51] <at0m> g0zzy: later, indeed
2032 [18:12:55] <g0zzy> Fingers crossed. Will ddrescue read empty space too?
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2036 [18:13:55] <at0m> i dont know, check the link^^
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2042 [18:14:58] <RoyK> g0zzy: it'll make a full image of the disk with partition tables and all, so you'll need to use kpartx or something to map up the partitions later
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2044 [18:16:20] <g0zzy> Fortunately there's only one partition
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2051 [18:19:13] <RoyK> g0zzy: doesn't matter - it's not hard
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2055 [18:21:51] <outoftime> `gnome-keyring-daemon` consumes 95% cpu, is it normal?
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2057 [18:22:06] <g0zzy> But hang on - aren't i just going to get a file system image containing a corrupt partition table? How would i proceed to read that?
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2083 [18:40:51] <pragomer> using debian stable with my new tuxedo notebook. I installed backlight drivers and added this to /etc/default/grub so that I can control the keyboard backlight with the function keys:
2084 [18:40:52] <pragomer> acpi_os_name=Linux acpi_osi= acpi_backlight=vendor
2085 [18:41:22] <pragomer> but i want to be the light disabled when booting, per default it is always enabled. how can I change this?
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2095 [18:47:33] <rant> you'd probably have to write a script and put it in initrd to turn it off, then put another one, possibly as a sysd oneshot to turn it back on
2096 [18:48:55] <pragomer> what would have to be in the script? which command?
2097 [18:49:00] <rant> not a terrible idea really but if you're concerned about power loss during boot, your system is just slow :P I gotta type a really long rootfs passwd and scan my fingerprint and my system still boots from power button to desktop in 20sec
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2099 [18:49:16] <jhutchins> pragomer: Consider the various systems that control the hardware during boot. There's the BIOS, EFI, grub, the init OS running from the initrd, all that before it hands over control to the actual RW kernel and OS.
2100 [18:49:20] <pragomer> I tried xbacklight bus this seems not to work with nvidia drivers..
2101 [18:49:28] <rant> pragomer: hell if I know, whatever controlls your backlight.. something like echo "0" > /sys/foo/bar/baz
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2104 [18:49:50] <rant> if you have a driver its likely got a sys interface.. its different for each machine
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2107 [18:50:24] <rant> I meant to say in under 20sec.. but w/e
2108 [18:50:37] <at0m> g0zzy: at least you'll have time to tinker with the image on a disk that isnt about to die
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2115 [18:52:18] <jhutchins> rant: Scripts and sys files are only valid once the OS is up. During boot, other things control the system.
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2118 [18:53:39] <rant> news to me.. cause I use scripts to decrypt my rootfs
2119 [18:53:56] <rant> afaik its all the same, its just pivots root from a ramdisk to the actual disk
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2124 [18:57:20] <g0zzy> Just thinking ahead. Don't know what i'm going to do to make it readable. I'm betting on there being zero disk read errors
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2131 [19:00:43] <rant> I dont like that my machine boots in full bright at bios/grub stages, but you can't really fix that part, and its more eye strain than power saving as the machine boots insanely fast
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2134 [19:03:00] <jhutchins> jm Actually, grub does have some video control, it can set things like text colors, so it might be able to set backlight levels.
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2140 [19:05:14] <jhutchins> Unfortunately, this is still init-based, but: replaced-url
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2143 [19:06:54] <jhutchins> Ah, this covers systemd: replaced-url
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2160 [19:23:25] <rant> g0zzy: gpart may also be worth lookin into if you suspect its only the partition table, I've had luck with it before
2161 [19:23:30] <rant> ,i gpart
2162 [19:23:31] <judd> Package gpart (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions. Version: 1:0.3-3; Size: 38.2k; Installed: 77k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2165 [19:26:28] <outoftime> Is it good solution to use `update-alternatives` in order to replace python2 with python3 as default python version in the 9.5?
2166 [19:27:01] <apollo13> would be most certainly an interesting thing to try
2167 [19:27:07] <apollo13> and see what breaks :D
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2172 [19:29:37] <rant> outoftime: no, that'd be a pretty bad idea
2173 [19:29:38] <rant> outoftime: sure if you want everything in your system that runs on python to suddenly break if its not python3 compatible
2174 [19:30:22] <apollo13> outoftime: I think there is even a PEP specifying that python should stay py2
2175 [19:30:36] <apollo13> that said, programs requiring py3 should use python3 as sheband
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2177 [19:30:52] <outoftime> Actually, there is only one thing why I'd like to do so: install virtualevnwrapper
2178 [19:31:10] <apollo13> and why does that require py3 to be the default?
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2180 [19:32:13] <outoftime> apollo13: I guess bacause I have installed it with pip3 which is using python3...
2181 [19:32:27] <apollo13> outoftime: that makes no sense :)
2182 [19:32:34] <rant> using pip is usually a bad idea
2183 [19:32:37] <apollo13> (as rationale why you'd need py3 as default)
2184 [19:33:10] <outoftime> rant: I understand that, but anyway, what is the debian way to install virtualenvwrapper?
2185 [19:33:43] <rant> apt install virtualenvwrapper
2186 [19:33:44] <apollo13> I'd pip install it; everything in debian wrt pip/virtualenv is sadly broken beyond repair
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2189 [19:34:42] <rant> I can't comment on that as I never used it nor do I see its utility
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2192 [19:35:23] <outoftime> rant: omg, I'm so sily
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2194 [19:36:41] <outoftime> apollo13: If debian's version allows to make venv's, that I can use some venv to install new version of pip, etc.
2195 [19:36:51] <apollo13> outoftime: it does not
2196 [19:37:00] <apollo13> at least it did not for me in many cases
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2198 [19:37:50] <apollo13> ymmv, but I do not have a good experience with pip and venv on debian
2199 [19:37:53] <outoftime> apollo13: I'm trying to build unknows-horizons right now, I have made venv for it already
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2202 [19:39:00] <outoftime> apollo13: venv is not very good solution at all, in general
2203 [19:39:16] <apollo13> outoftime: oh venvs are relatively great
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2219 [19:50:27] <trysten> how do i `lsof -i` other users as a user
2220 [19:50:42] <jelly> be root, not a mere user
2221 [19:50:54] * trysten grins knowing he penned one of the worse questions of the hour
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2224 [19:51:35] <trysten> jelly: so i'll end up having to suid or something? Or I could have a service that runs as root to get the needed info and serve it to the user..
2225 [19:51:41] <jelly> or use ss or netstat if you're just looking for "which process has this tcp/udp connection open"
2226 [19:52:04] <jelly> you can still look up only processes for that very user
2227 [19:52:10] <trysten> jelly: actually I need to know the specific port of sshd processes running under other users
2228 [19:52:18] <jelly> then be root.
2229 [19:52:30] <trysten> i'm using ssh -R :
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2231 [19:53:58] <trysten> Do you think that running the script as root to parse the output of lsof is the way to go?
2232 [19:55:43] <jelly> if you only need lsof to run as root, run just lsof as root?
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2237 [19:58:09] <trysten> jelly: are you suggesting suid or something else
2238 [19:58:27] <trysten> jelly: (thanks for letting me bother you, you're awesome)
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2241 [19:59:22] <jelly> trysten: if you know how to write safe suid wrappers, good for you. I'd configure sudo to only allow running, dunno, "lsof -ni -p $(pgrep -d, sshd)"
2242 [19:59:43] <m_g_lewis> When I try to do a backup of Debian the files keep changing / vanishing...how do I mount it ro?
2243 [20:00:15] <valdyn> m_g_lewis: you dont need backups of files that keep vanishing...
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2245 [20:00:45] <trysten> i forgot i could configure sudo differently for different commands! thanks!
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2247 [20:01:09] <valdyn> m_g_lewis: be more specific about what exactly you are trying to do. Mounting ro is probably not the right approach.
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2253 [20:03:42] <jelly> m_g_lewis: which files keep changing/vanishing? How precisely are you doing a backup?
2254 [20:03:44] <jelly> !ask
2255 [20:03:44] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2256 [20:04:51] <jelly> depending on the services and apps running, remounting some filesystems read-only under their feet might have harmful consequences
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2258 [20:05:14] <m_g_lewis> valdyn: I'm trying to use Luckybackup to backup my Debian 9 system. I t uses rsync to copy files and I get errors...let me rerun the program and I'll get back to you...
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2261 [20:05:53] <jelly> m_g_lewis: filesystem-level consistency, if needed, is usually achieved with temporary read-only snapshots
2262 [20:06:38] <jelly> but that means your fs has to be zfs or btrfs or be on LVM with some free space in LVM VG to make snapshots
2263 [20:07:22] <valdyn> more likely just ignoring those "errors" will be safe enough
2264 [20:07:51] <jelly> and your backup solution has to be told how to make snapshots before, backup the snapshots and not the real filesystems, and remove snapshots after backup
2265 [20:07:53] <valdyn> m_g_lewis: ^ ^ but of course that depends on what you are exactly trying to backup
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2278 [20:20:09] <m_g_lewis> jelly: So I can't take a snapshot of an ext4 file system?
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2285 [20:24:50] <jelly> m_g_lewis: unless it's on lvm, no
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2288 [20:25:26] <m_g_lewis> jelly: Hmmm...that sucks!
2289 [20:25:33] <jelly> (or you use closed source solutions)
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2295 [20:28:14] <jelly> one of those closed source tools is replaced-url
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2297 [20:28:44] <apollo13> but you can convert ext4 to btrfs and then do snapshots from that :D
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2299 [20:29:22] <jelly> you can also shoot yourself in the foot more easily with a gun
2300 [20:29:41] <jelly> doesn't mean it's a good idea
2301 [20:30:21] <apollo13> fair enough, but a system without lvm sounds like a system that want a doover anyways
2302 [20:31:15] <m_g_lewis> jelly: OK, thanks, I'll check that out...right now I'm checking out System Rescue CD, it lets you boot from a CD or USB stick and take a snapshot of your system and restore also...
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2305 [20:32:09] <jelly> oh, if you want to do a cold copy, sure
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2391 [21:37:42] <annadane> how can i copy a file to an (apparently) read-only usb stick?
2392 [21:37:57] <karlpinc> annadane: Mounted read-only?
2393 [21:38:10] <its_Mansoor> annadane you can't
2394 [21:38:21] <annadane> i don't know. i just bought this
2395 [21:39:21] <karlpinc> annadane: You can dd the usb stick's partition to a file, mount the file loopback read/write, then unmount it and dd it back onto the usb stick. Or something like that...
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2398 [21:39:50] <annadane> uh. WTF. why do they even sell them like this
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2400 [21:40:24] <karlpinc> Er, the read-only-usb-stick part is confusing....
2401 [21:41:06] <annadane> Error while copying to "USB DISK". The destination is read-only.
2402 [21:41:09] <karlpinc> annadane: Did you boot off the stick, or is it mounted?
2403 [21:41:10] <nyov> it is a stick though, not an sdcard with write protection?
2404 [21:41:12] <annadane> (this is using thunar)
2405 [21:41:19] <mihi> annadane, what filesystem is on the stick? Maybe dirty and needs fsck?
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2407 [21:41:37] <nyov> that could be it
2408 [21:42:29] <annadane> karlpinc, no it's just mounted
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2410 [21:42:44] <annadane> and no, it's just a regular usb stick
2411 [21:42:49] <nyov> fsck.vfat it to toggle dirty bit if it's there. (though dmesg should report that being the case)
2412 [21:42:57] <karlpinc> annadane: Does findmnt say it's rw or ro?
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2415 [21:43:28] <annadane> USB 2.0 flash drive
2416 [21:43:42] <annadane> uh, one sec
2417 [21:44:20] <annadane> karlpinc, rw
2418 [21:44:27] <annadane> fs type is vfat
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2421 [21:45:22] <annadane> nyov, unmount it first?
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2424 [21:45:35] <karlpinc> annadane: If you try to ,say, "touch /some/file" that does not exist that's on the stick do you get an error from the command line?
2425 [21:45:47] <karlpinc> annadane: Yah, you'd want to unmount before fsck.
2426 [21:45:50] <nyov> annadane: I think so
2427 [21:46:24] <n4dir> not sure how thunar handles automounting ...
2428 [21:46:31] <annadane> karlpinc, cd to the stick and "touch lol" returns empty output, and the red light on it flashed
2429 [21:46:34] <n4dir> or filemanagers in general
2430 [21:46:42] <karlpinc> annadane: (If "touch" succeeds don't forget to remove the new file.
2431 [21:46:51] <annadane> and i can see it there displayed in thunar
2432 [21:46:58] <karlpinc> annadane: Well, it wrote then.
2433 [21:47:16] <annadane> maybe it's thunar being stupid and i can cp it from cli
2434 [21:47:22] <nyov> annadane: or perhaps it does have some tiny hidden write-protect switch? I have an usb stick with such a feature
2435 [21:47:23] <annadane> ("never rely on gui tools")
2436 [21:47:45] <annadane> well if it had that then i wouldn't have been able to touch, right?
2437 [21:47:50] <karlpinc> annadane: Could be that there's more than one usb stick mounted or something strange like that?
2438 [21:48:08] <annadane> my external hd is also mounted, i can try removing it
2439 [21:48:18] <nyov> ah, if the file is there, then it's probably tunar not having write access
2440 [21:48:20] <karlpinc> annadane: Right. If it really was read-only then you'd not be able to write to it.
2441 [21:48:46] <nyov> maybe is mounted root, and thunar has no access?
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2443 [21:48:53] <karlpinc> annadane: Is the gui running as the same user as the command line?
2444 [21:48:54] <annadane> so it's thunar to blame, probably. let me first try manually cping it
2445 [21:49:04] <annadane> er... yes? not sure
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2449 [21:49:39] <annadane> i'm logged in as my user and the user on the command line is the same
2450 [21:49:50] <annadane> (so yes :P)
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2452 [21:49:58] <n4dir> sidenote: pmount is a handy tool
2453 [21:51:15] <annadane> so, check my syntax? cp /path/to/file /media/annadane/blahblah, or cp /path/to/file /dev/sdc?
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2455 [21:51:27] <annadane> or is it /dev/sdc1...
2456 [21:51:32] <karlpinc> annadane: former
2457 [21:51:39] <annadane> /dev/sdc?
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2459 [21:51:44] <karlpinc> annadane: You don't want to copy to the raw device.
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2461 [21:52:05] <karlpinc> annadane: You want to copy to the mount point /media/....
2462 [21:52:09] <annadane> right
2463 [21:52:44] <karlpinc> annadane: If you copy to the raw device you write directly to the device and overwrite your file system. (!)
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2466 [21:53:52] <annadane> oh, um. it has spaces, i need to escape it
2467 [21:53:56] <annadane> or i guess use quotes
2468 [21:54:01] <karlpinc> annadane: Or ''
2469 [21:54:08] <annadane> (the filename doesn't but the usb path does)
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2472 [21:54:44] <its_Mansoor> annadane device path does not contain spaces, maybe you are going a wrong way
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2474 [21:54:53] <n4dir> or use a glob, that's were they are handy.
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2476 [21:55:04] <annadane> it's literally /media/annadane/USB DISK
2477 [21:55:28] <karlpinc> annadane: (How nice of them... :)
2478 [21:55:40] <annadane> single or double quotes doesn't matter right?
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2482 [21:56:10] <n4dir> cp file /media/annadande/USB*
2483 [21:56:10] <karlpinc> annadane: Single quotes everything (ish). Double let's things like $ reference variable values.
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2485 [21:56:25] <its_Mansoor> annadane strange. never seen thing like this before. which brand is made?
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2487 [21:56:30] <annadane> annadande...
2488 [21:56:49] <annadane> well ok, i'll just use single quotes then
2489 [21:56:58] <n4dir> way more typing.
2490 [21:57:20] <karlpinc> n4dir: yes, but the tab key still works....
2491 [21:57:23] <annadane> it's like 5 characters and it's already typed so HAH.
2492 [21:57:31] <n4dir> karlpinc: came to my mind too.
2493 [21:57:32] <its_Mansoor> annadane you can use quotes and also use the way n4dir suggested
2494 [21:57:51] <n4dir> many ways to skin a cat
2495 [21:58:16] <annadane> ugh i do have to escape the stupid file name, it has a (
2496 [21:58:23] <annadane> to the greycat wiki
2497 [21:58:42] <karlpinc> annadane: Use quotes again.
2498 [21:58:47] <annadane> oh, okay.
2499 [21:59:17] <annadane> there. copies successfully.
2500 [21:59:36] <karlpinc> annadane: Don't forget to umount before unplugging. :)
2501 [21:59:45] <n4dir> again: globs
2502 [22:00:39] <n4dir> well: on a german keyboard all quotes are hard to reach (*too, you might say, but at least that's only one)
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2504 [22:01:06] <karlpinc> n4dir: I find globs scarey because they may expand to something unexpected and unseen. So then when I use globs I always wind up typing "echo" in front of everything to be sure I get what I want. And then editing the "echo" away to run the command. Which sort of defeats the point of less typing.
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2506 [22:01:24] <annadane> or cp -i
2507 [22:01:31] <n4dir> good point. karlpinc
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2510 [22:02:15] <n4dir> like said: main reason is probably that i really got hard times to find the quotes, manly ' and `
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2512 [22:02:51] <karlpinc> annadane: Mostly I rely on tab completion. But... I alias cp='cp --strip-trailing-slashes' in `/.bash_aliases And do the same for mv. That way tab compleation does what I want with directories.
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2514 [22:03:20] <karlpinc> ~/.bash_aliases
2515 [22:03:37] <g0zzy> rant: [belated ;] thanks for that
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2520 [22:05:42] <karlpinc> info coreutils 'Trailing slashes'
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2532 [22:10:15] <annadane> thanks for the help
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2534 [22:10:45] <puze> Hi everyone, after formatting my secondary drive began to constanly read/write every one second or so. What could be the reason?
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2536 [22:12:24] <puze> my current fstab options are: UUID=6230f64c-e008-4470-a8e8-c628a47f65a9 /media/sdb ext4 defaults 0 2
2537 [22:12:52] <trysten> puze: watch lsof /dev/sdb
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2547 [22:15:32] <puze> trysten: nothing on the particular mount point :/
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2559 [22:20:53] <fedepancho> Hi, I have a python script that listens to a multicast socket. It runs fine when executed from typing "python camara.py" on my pi user prompt (its a raspberry with raspbian squeeze), but when executed by adding on /etc/rc.local :su pi -c 'python camara.py' I get -- socket.error: [Errno 19] No such device. It runs fine from promt, if it is executed as root, or as pi user. Any Ideas?
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2564 [22:23:09] <puze> 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors, oh well... :D
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2575 [22:29:40] <trysten> puze: you think that's why? disk fail?
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2577 [22:30:25] <puze> trysten: i don't think so, just 2 "unreadable" sectors
2578 [22:30:32] <puze> i will try to check for badblocks
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2580 [22:32:47] <RoyK> puze: using sngle disk or a raid?
2581 [22:33:18] <puze> single, just some old HDD from laptop. using it in T420 as a secondary HDD in cdtray
2582 [22:33:38] <puze> Moved out all data just to be safe
2583 [22:34:01] <RoyK> get the data out and setup a mirror
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2591 [22:44:36] <trysten> puze: lsof should tell you who is accessing the disk. anything in the kernel messages?
2592 [22:44:56] <puze> the error message that i have posted earlier
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