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68 [00:44:07] <annadane> i can't seem to open imagemagick in i3 - the dmenu doesn't give anything and trying to open it from terminal gives bash: imagemagick: command not found
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78 [00:47:53] <bites> there is no imagemagick binary
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82 [00:48:49] <bites> if you are looking for the gui, it's "display"
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94 [00:53:39] <RoyK> annadane: just use gimp
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99 [00:55:10] <ntd> remind me: why are chanlimits a thing these days?
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103 [00:56:58] <bites> spammer flooding.
104 [00:59:05] <annadane> i don't really like imagemagick anyway, there's a million better photo viewers
105 [00:59:23] <annadane> and yes i know it's not just a viewer
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107 [01:00:41] <RoyK> annadane: imagemagick works well for batching stuff, though
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125 [01:21:22] <rant> how come I have to use the internal IP to reach my screen session via ssh/mosh when on the LAN when its working from outside? I am using an xfinity gateway/modem and its just a tad annoying to need two different connection profiles on all my devices
126 [01:22:59] <rant> and yeah, imagemagick is a horrible gui/viewer.. its for batch operations and scripting.. feh is better for a minimalistic viewer that can be scripted
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135 [01:30:25] * awal1 Likes v/h splitting feature added for 'guake' :) +1!
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172 [02:08:26] <MiekeReust> Why can't i use text-to-speech in Okular on debian Buster? I have all the speech installed (except Jovie which is NA)??
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271 [03:38:50] <tokam> I want to mine some conis for fun....
272 [03:39:00] <tokam> with the gdb debugger I get this info
273 [03:39:07] <tokam> [13.10.2018 03:36:53] [ info] Successfully connected to xmr.pool.minergate.com:45700
274 [03:39:07] <tokam> Thread 6 "QThread" received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
275 [03:39:12] <tokam> what can I do to solve the issue?
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279 [03:52:09] <tw> turn off advanced simd instructions in the application.
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298 [04:16:47] <anonnumberanon> Hi I do 'uname -a' but it doesn't tell me if I have Debian 7, 8, or 9. What do?
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304 [04:23:12] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: lsb_release -a or cat /etc/os-release
305 [04:23:30] <RoyK> the latter is the preferred for newer stuff
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307 [04:24:12] <anonnumberanon> ah I see
308 [04:24:31] <anonnumberanon> should I save that command or will it be gone later ^_^ ?
309 [04:24:51] <RoyK> the latter will probably stay for a while
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311 [04:25:20] <RoyK> lsb_release isn't in latest debian stable (stretch) without manual installation
312 [04:25:35] <anonnumberanon> uuu, Debian9.. Okay thanks!!!
313 [04:25:52] <anonnumberanon> yeah lsb release did not recognize as a command
314 [04:25:55] <RoyK> uname only tells you the kernel version
315 [04:25:57] <anonnumberanon> the latter did though
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318 [04:26:10] <anonnumberanon> Ah yes, uname only gives you Linux?
319 [04:26:17] <RoyK> uname -a
320 [04:26:30] <Kaminota> There is also /etc/debian_version (Just as a random note.)
321 [04:26:37] <RoyK> but then - the OS version isn't related
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323 [04:26:44] <RoyK> Kaminota: outdated
324 [04:27:32] <anonnumberanon> I'm trying to install something so I need the right version for the tutorial ^_^ ....
325 [04:28:04] <RoyK> Kaminota: it's non-portable, and in most unix systems, you want things to be as portable as possible - lsb_release and so on was somewhaat portable, but lacked a good syntax
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327 [04:28:53] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: usual issue - ask if there is something specific
328 [04:29:35] <Kaminota> Like I said, random note~
329 [04:29:36] <anonnumberanon> RoyK, well, I just may, you never know
330 [04:30:24] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: AFAIK the /etc/os-release has been standardised across a lot of platforms now
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335 [04:35:56] <tokam> what will happen if you put the ubuntu sources in a debian 9.5 system?
336 [04:35:57] <tokam> in apt
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338 [04:36:54] <allorder> bullshit
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340 [04:37:37] <tokam> allorder: I tested it on a server I do not use
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342 [04:37:53] <allorder> for testing ok
343 [04:38:02] <tokam> it works
344 [04:38:10] <tokam> it pulls new packages and sources
345 [04:38:14] <tokam> but I do not know how long it will work
346 [04:38:16] <allorder> but don't trust this temporary glory
347 [04:38:33] <tokam> will it totally kill the server?
348 [04:38:47] <tokam> or is there a chance to turn a running ubuntu out of a debian 9.5?
349 [04:38:59] <allorder> don't mix
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351 [04:39:07] <allorder> its a bit like alcool
352 [04:39:13] <tokam> I needed qt 8
353 [04:39:15] <tokam> 5.8
354 [04:39:19] <tokam> and had many issues to install it
355 [04:39:42] <tokam> downloading the ubuntu deb packages resulted in many dependency conflicts
356 [04:39:54] <allorder> you can't trust this machine anymore, thats all I have to say
357 [04:39:54] <tokam> than I had the stupid idea to change the apt/sources.list
358 [04:40:11] <tokam> and now I run apt-get update
359 [04:40:14] <tokam> apt-get upgrade
360 [04:40:33] <tokam> apt --fix-broken install
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365 [04:47:57] <allorder> replaced-url
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368 [04:49:23] <rant> ,v libqt5core5a
369 [04:49:24] <judd> Package: libqt5core5a on amd64 -- jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1; buster: 5.11.1+dfsg-9; sid: 5.11.1+dfsg-9; experimental: 5.11.2+dfsg-2
370 [04:50:35] <rant> if you needed 5.8 you needed to not use or reprogram.. if you needed AT LEAST 5.8, you could've tried to backport it from buster/sid or used a chroot or something
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376 [04:59:18] <tokam> I need avx instructions but my cpu does not support it
377 [05:00:00] <tokam> what is buster/sid?
378 [05:00:10] <tokam> can I somehow emulate avx instructios?
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380 [05:07:13] <allorder> buster = next release name, sid = unstable (always)
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383 [05:12:24] <tokam> allorder: interesting
384 [05:12:27] <tokam> thanks
385 [05:14:16] <allorder> replaced-url
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397 [05:23:50] <rue_bed> broken package: gimp, requires libbabl version 0.1.12 or later, but in debian only ver 0.1.10 is avialable
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509 [07:48:36] <at0m> had one of my machines rebooting at apparent random times. watchdog config fail. o)
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512 [07:53:15] <diogenes_> at0m, pastebin: inxi -Fx
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515 [07:54:05] <at0m> diogenes_: i fixed it, thanks. purged watchdog cos i dont really need it.
516 [07:54:21] <diogenes_> ohh
517 [07:54:23] <diogenes_> nice
518 [07:55:32] <at0m> "The watchdog program writes to /dev/watchdog every ten seconds. If the device is opened but not written to within a minute, the machine will reboot."
519 [07:55:57] <at0m> "The watchdog tool itself runs several health checks and acts appropriately if the system is not in good shape."
520 [07:56:21] <at0m> say, it can restart services if they hang or fail
521 [07:56:33] <at0m> or, ultimately, reboot the machine
522 [07:56:44] <diogenes_> at0m, and how it used to reboot? like normal reboot or like a sudden shurdown and then reboot?
523 [07:57:16] <at0m> diogenes_: graceful reboot, no special errors
524 [07:58:12] <at0m> i got this one time cos interface did not always come up on boot, or would hang some time while running. so i'd have the machine ping an external box, and reboot if the ping failed
525 [07:58:58] <at0m> cos if the interface failed, i couldnt ssh to it to go fix the machine either
526 [07:59:25] <diogenes_> oh ok, because on one laptop i also had random reboots but they were like sudden abrupt reboots like thunder from the cleear sky but it was a intel firmware bug
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528 [08:04:19] <__m4ch1n3__> at0m, tried remove and insert interfaces kernel module instead of reboot?
529 [08:05:32] <at0m> __m4ch1n3__: that issue was with an old kernel long ago, but i hadnt removed watchdog since. and the machine it pinged was recently removed
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559 [08:51:07] <pyex> hello, how can learn x11 application?
560 [08:51:51] <dutchfish> pyex, which one, or do you mean develop in it?
561 [08:52:09] <agio> or xserver?
562 [08:53:06] <dutchfish> at0m, replaced-url
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570 [08:56:17] <tedarek> ehy there. i need to install a bluetooth manager
571 [08:56:22] <tedarek> any suggestions?
572 [08:57:03] <at0m> tedarek: graphical? most desktop environments have one, depends on your DE
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574 [08:58:29] <tedarek> at0m, not mine.. i'm using arch on this machine..
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577 [09:00:19] <agio> I've had blueman working but on debian, I've found it very hit and miss
578 [09:01:14] <tedarek> yeah.. i tried it
579 [09:01:18] <tedarek> it gave me some problems
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600 [09:14:28] <SpeedyG> I know general advice is to stick to the package manager nevertheless, this is a good guide on installing ipv6-aware fail2ban on debian :) replaced-url
601 [09:15:09] <SpeedyG> (and yeah... there's like 12 words of french in there... which I barely understand.. but still :D )
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658 [09:35:41] <nyov> SpeedyG: in french...
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660 [09:35:59] <nyov> okay not really. sorry
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662 [09:36:13] <SpeedyG> nyov: thats what I said... ;)
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664 [09:36:25] <SpeedyG> nyov: my french is horrible at best :D
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667 [09:37:02] <SpeedyG> but given that my webserver recently got an ipv6 address, this is a nice solution :D
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676 [09:41:21] <nyov> SpeedyG: better solution would be to apt-get source fail2ban, update/patch, dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg install... in my opinion
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678 [09:42:02] <SpeedyG> nyov: any good guides for that somewhere?
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680 [09:42:39] <agio> I've lost sound on my laptop, anyone know a good way to test/debug?
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684 [09:44:04] <nyov> SpeedyG: most are convoluted :( but for a simple package rebuild without autobuilder you could try replaced-url
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686 [09:44:51] <SpeedyG> thx
687 [09:45:07] <jim> hi... can I ask judd for a listing of what's in a package? (right now interested in the package x11-apps)
688 [09:45:11] <SpeedyG> from what I see, even in sid, still only fail2ban 10.2 is included.. and apparently no ipv5 support :(
689 [09:45:33] <SpeedyG> *ipv6
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692 [09:46:36] <nyov> SpeedyG: so they added ipv6 in 0.10.4?
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694 [09:46:53] <nyov> (a minor release??)
695 [09:47:10] <SpeedyG> nyov: not sure, the fail2ban github states as of 0.10 (no minor version mentioned there)
696 [09:47:31] <SpeedyG> but in the requirements/recommends in debain package list I see no ip6tables or any other ref. to ipv6
697 [09:47:49] <nyov> jim: yes hould be possible
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700 [09:50:25] <SpeedyG> anyway, for now it works, so I can go to the gym with a slight feeling of security ;)
701 [09:51:02] <nyov> jim: /msg judd file x11-apps --release sid
702 [09:51:43] <nyov> oh wait, that's not working
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705 [09:52:55] <nyov> jim: I think you'll need a path to do that. or use local tools (much better than irc for long listings)
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715 [10:03:30] <jim> nyov, yeah, dpkg -L package # is better, but only works for installed packages
716 [10:03:41] <n4dir> perhaps apt-file show <pkg>
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728 [10:11:49] <nyov> jim: if you have sources for the suite to poll, apt-file would work
729 [10:11:58] <nyov> apt-file show x11-apps --filter-suites=sid
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733 [10:13:51] <nyov> or you could browse sources from replaced-url
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738 [10:16:35] <nyov> SpeedyG: I checked, and ipv6 should be in since 10.0, so maybe a packaging problem?
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742 [10:19:18] <nyov> SpeedyG: you won't see any reference to ip6tables since there is only an iptables package
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811 [10:41:26] <dokma> I have a Logitech H600 wireless headset which works on my Debian box if I plug its receiver into a Win7 box shortly but after a while it stops working again.
812 [10:41:40] <dokma> Is there a way to see what the Debian box does or not to it?
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821 [10:47:09] <thm> on debian9, starting an openvpn server via systemd, why would that also start a /bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch, then timeout, and finally fail?
822 [10:47:18] <thm> I have no idea why I would need a user/pw for running a server with a static key?
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824 [10:49:27] <dokma> thm that's a question most easily answered from the code
825 [10:49:43] <dokma> just download the code and grep for the other exec
826 [10:49:53] <dokma> you will find all instances where it is started very easily
827 [10:50:02] <dutchfish> thm, as far as i know, it basically prompts you to elevate for root/sudo premission to open up that connection, with or without a key.
828 [10:50:05] <dokma> and from there you will see why it is started also very easily
829 [10:50:48] <dutchfish> thm, if you dont want that, there is networkmanager
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832 [10:52:58] <dutchfish> thm, networkmaganger can be setup to autoconnect over such a tunnel, with or without a key
833 [10:53:20] <dutchfish> networkmanager*
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854 [11:00:44] <dutchfish> thm, if this is a headless box as openvpnserver take a peak in this readme replaced-url
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860 [11:01:37] <thm> dutchfish: that readme I followed (at least I think), but it doesn't explain why the server would need a user/pw
861 [11:02:11] <dutchfish> thm, is your key passwordless??
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864 [11:03:05] <dutchfish> thm, if not you need to provide your own wrapper (insecure)
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866 [11:03:22] <thm> it is passwordless, generated like on this page: replaced-url
867 [11:03:54] <thm> running the very same cmdlineline that is in the unit file works like a charm, only when started via systemctl, I have this problem
868 [11:04:08] <dokma> thm I can't find any mention of systemd-tty-ask-password-agent in openvpn source code so it seems that it is not directly openvpn that asks for it to be started
869 [11:04:38] <dokma> As which use does it get started by systemd?
870 [11:04:42] <dokma> *user*
871 [11:04:48] <thm> root
872 [11:05:05] <thm> I think
873 [11:05:13] <dokma> pgrep -fla openvpn
874 [11:05:15] <dutchfish> thm, maybe you can paste (sanitized) your output of journalctl -u openvpn-server@$CONFIGNAME, hard to say what is going wrong
875 [11:05:19] <dokma> what do you get?
876 [11:05:53] <dutchfish> thm, i assume you have systemd's pam in place
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878 [11:06:18] <thm> dokma: 2791 /usr/sbin/openvpn --status /run/openvpn-server/status-my.log --status-version 2 --suppress-timestamps --config my.conf
879 [11:06:37] <thm> dutchfish: I don't know, why would I need that?
880 [11:06:48] <dokma> This is mine: 592 /usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon ovpn-vpn --status /run/openvpn/vpn.status 10 --cd /etc/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf --writepid /run/openvpn/vpn.pid
881 [11:07:15] <dutchfish> dokma, i have it 'ditto'
882 [11:07:27] <thm> dokma: seems you use openvpn@vpn.service and not openvpn-server@vpn.status
883 [11:07:36] <thm> dokma: seems you use openvpn@vpn.service and not openvpn-server@vpn.service I meant
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885 [11:08:41] <dokma> I don't know the difference. I have to google it.
886 [11:09:03] <thm> dutchfish: there's nothing in the logs that explains why /bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent is started.
887 [11:09:36] <dokma> Is there a verbosity setting?
888 [11:09:36] <thm> dutchfish: I already tried to get help in #openvpn, but they blame the packaging
889 [11:10:10] <dutchfish> thm, is this Ubuntu? because there are reports on the net about this
890 [11:10:31] * dutchfish is running Debian
891 [11:10:42] <thm> the net is full of people have the same or similar issues, but no real answers. and no, it is debian9 on virtuozzo.
892 [11:11:18] <dokma> thm which process is the parent of the started systemd-tty-ask-password-agent ??
893 [11:11:31] <thm> the shell executing the systemctl
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895 [11:11:55] <dutchfish> thm, have tried to comment out auth-user-pass in /etc/openvpn/yourconf
896 [11:11:56] <dokma> that is very strange
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898 [11:12:35] <thm> dutchfish: /etc/openvpn/server/my.conf only has dev, ifconfig, and secret entries, nothing else
899 [11:12:56] * dutchfish scratches head
900 [11:13:22] <dokma> can you try and start it without systemctl?
901 [11:13:34] <thm> without systemctl, works fine
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903 [11:14:10] <dokma> did you take a look into the systemctl startup scripts?
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906 [11:14:20] <dokma> systemd that would be
907 [11:14:26] <thm> there is no script, only the unit file.
908 [11:14:32] <dokma> the unit file
909 [11:14:43] <dokma> did you check it out to see what it does differently
910 [11:16:02] <thm> here's the current unit file(s): replaced-url
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918 [11:18:50] <dokma> thm how does your openvpn.service looks like?
919 [11:18:54] <dokma> and does it work?
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921 [11:19:14] <thm> I added the ltrace to find out what openvpn does when run under systemd, but it only calls sd_pid_notify_with_fds() and sd_pid_notify().
922 [11:19:39] <thm> dokma: I could try that
923 [11:19:46] <dokma> can you pastebin your openvpn.service?
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925 [11:20:22] <dokma> if it works all you have to do is to try to change one into the other line by line until systemd-tty-ask-password-agent is gone
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927 [11:21:11] <thm> replaced-url
928 [11:21:39] <dokma> can you cat openvpn.service?
929 [11:21:43] <dokma> I do not have the @
930 [11:22:16] <dokma> That's the one that is enabled on my box and works flawlessly
931 [11:22:40] <thm> well, I can, but that's not a real unit, it loads the @ variants which are generated by a systemd generator
932 [11:22:57] <thm> replaced-url
933 [11:22:58] <dokma> This one is loaded on my system while the others are not
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935 [11:23:20] <dokma> % systemctl list-unit-files | grep openvpn
936 [11:23:21] <dokma> openvpn-client@.service disabled
937 [11:23:23] <dokma> openvpn-server@.service disabled
938 [11:23:25] <dokma> openvpn.service enabled
939 [11:23:27] <dokma> openvpn@.service disabled
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942 [11:23:50] <dokma> kicked for 5 line
943 [11:24:08] <dokma> That's a bit too squeamish
944 [11:24:34] <c|oneman> whats the difference between xrdp over xorg and xrdp over xvnc
945 [11:24:40] <thm> dokma: what does 'find /run/systemd/generator' give on your machine?
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949 [11:27:41] <dokma> thm: replaced-url
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951 [11:28:34] <thm> see, there is your @service
952 [11:28:40] <thm> it is auto-generated
953 [11:28:51] <dokma> thm: my company's telephony works on openvpn.service so I don't know where's the mismatch
954 [11:29:28] <dokma> all the @ variants are disabled
955 [11:29:41] <thm> it does not list the auto-generated ones
956 [11:29:48] <m_g_lewis> I added a repository with "apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa" but it is not in /etc/apt/sources.list...how do I remove it?
957 [11:30:37] <n4dir> perhaps in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
958 [11:30:47] <dutchfish> thm, for what it is worth, i followed your discussion, and i have the same outcome as dokma
959 [11:30:47] <dokma> thm there is no openvpn@vpn.service amongst the unit files
960 [11:31:05] <n4dir> m_g_lewis: well, in a file in that directory. sorry, i was unclear
961 [11:31:24] <dokma> thm did you try a clean reinstall? perhaps you have some leftovers from previous installs?
962 [11:31:32] <thm> gna
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964 [11:32:48] <thm> dutchfish: the only thing that can remain is some problem with the virtuozzo environment. I already hat to change the LimitNPROC thing for example. maybe something else is in the way
965 [11:32:52] <dutchfish> thm, is this a fresh install?
966 [11:32:57] <dokma> thm what do you get on: systemctl list-unit-files | grep openvpn
967 [11:33:36] <thm> dokma: exactly the same like you, but I think that is not relevant
968 [11:33:36] <dokma> dpkg -l | grep openvpn
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970 [11:33:37] <dpkg> ii | grep openvpn 1.2-13.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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972 [11:33:59] <thm> ii openvpn 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1 amd64 virtual private network daemon
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976 [11:34:20] <dokma> I have 2.4.0-6+deb9u1
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978 [11:34:42] <thm> dokma: doesn't make a difference, I tried both, the deb9u1 as well as the bpo
979 [11:34:44] <dutchfish> apropos, this is mine ii openvpn 2.4.6-1
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981 [11:35:44] <dokma> dutchfish: that one is from buster
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983 [11:35:51] <dutchfish> dokma, correct
984 [11:36:02] <dokma> mine is from stretch
985 [11:36:09] <dokma> but thm runs backport
986 [11:36:13] <dokma> lovely
987 [11:36:21] <dokma> but as he said it doesn't make a difference
988 [11:36:29] <dutchfish> ah ic, i have no problems (security) with mine
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996 [11:38:49] <m_g_lewis> dokma: Thanks, that's where the file was...
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999 [11:39:10] <dokma> m_g_lewis: ?
1000 [11:39:10] <dutchfish> thm, here is a thought, backport currently does not have all the bugs fixed in systemd, maybe you are running into one of those. Either stick to stable or testing. I think bpo is not a sane choice for this.
1001 [11:39:27] <dokma> he tried stable as well
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1003 [11:39:38] <dutchfish> mmm...
1004 [11:40:05] <dutchfish> dokma, i run both versions with success, but not on bpo
1005 [11:40:19] <dutchfish> because of systemd bugs
1006 [11:40:29] <dokma> interesting...
1007 [11:40:35] <thm> here, systemd is from stable, and openvpn I tried bpo and stable, no difference
1008 [11:40:39] <dokma> I only ever tried the stable one and it worked off the bat
1009 [11:40:57] <dutchfish> thm, maybe your problem is not in openvpn?
1010 [11:41:11] <thm> could very well be
1011 [11:41:16] <dokma> that's the worst option
1012 [11:41:20] <m_g_lewis> dokma: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is where the repository file was that was causing the error when I did apt update...
1013 [11:42:46] <dokma> m_g_lewis: n4dir helped you not me
1014 [11:43:11] <m_g_lewis> dokma: OK, sorry...
1015 [11:43:25] <dokma> no problem
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1019 [11:44:13] <n4dir> m_g_lewis: in general i would be rather shy when it comes to adding third party repositories.
1020 [11:44:25] <dokma> agio: first for a hardware test try it with a live CD
1021 [11:44:26] <n4dir> just as a sidenote.
1022 [11:44:45] <dokma> agio: knoppix or the like
1023 [11:44:57] <dutchfish> thm, just for the sake of completeness, i am curious to know what kernel you are running this on?
1024 [11:44:59] <dokma> if it does not work then it might be hardware
1025 [11:45:02] <agio> dokma: hardware is compatible - was working yesteerday
1026 [11:45:11] <dokma> but might be broken today
1027 [11:45:21] <dokma> I had to replace the speaker on my laptop
1028 [11:45:47] <thm> dutchfish: it's a vserver (virtuozzo), therefore a non-debian kernel 3.16.0-042stab133.2
1029 [11:45:59] <agio> i dont have a live cd though
1030 [11:46:02] <dutchfish> thm, thank you
1031 [11:46:11] <dokma> agio: do you have dual boot?
1032 [11:46:17] <agio> no
1033 [11:46:18] <m_g_lewis> n4dir: I'm trying to find timeshift and the repository I added was a Ubuntu repository but it was not secure...now I don't know where to find timeshift :(
1034 [11:46:30] <thm> dutchfish: but all other services I tried so far, including nginx, php, postfix, and many others, work well
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1036 [11:46:56] <jelly> thm: ask your provider to enable tuntap support inside the VPS, or get a fully-virtualized VM with own kernel, and not a container
1037 [11:46:59] <dutchfish> thm, sure, but is it secure would be the right question ....
1038 [11:47:25] <dokma> thm: then it's probably openvpn that is the issue
1039 [11:47:35] <thm> jelly: not sure if you followed the discussion, but openvpn works well with the same config when not started via systemd
1040 [11:47:46] <jelly> thm: I missed that.
1041 [11:48:24] <agio> isn't there some alsa command that just plays some sound into the alsa driver?
1042 [11:48:27] <dutchfish> i totally agree on jelly's first line on this
1043 [11:48:37] <jelly> thm: so put sysvinit back?
1044 [11:48:44] <agio> hah
1045 [11:48:48] <jelly> aplay
1046 [11:49:13] <agio> so aplay singleladies.mp3 is the command?
1047 [11:49:18] <jelly> !alsa checklist
1048 [11:49:18] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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1051 [11:50:21] <jelly> agio: aplay will not decode that mp3, it only deals with uncompressed formats
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1053 [11:51:30] <agio> so only .pcm ? does alsa-utils come with any demo sound files for testing?
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1058 [11:52:14] <nyov> agio: see 5)
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1060 [11:53:42] <agio> ah, thanks, yeah I am playing and no sound ...
1061 [11:54:02] <agio> I ran: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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1064 [11:56:22] <agio> pulse audio is running
1065 [11:57:07] <agio> ah - I get sound when I run the aplay command as root - what could cause that?
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1108 [12:24:01] <at0m> agio: is your user in the audio group? grep $user /etc/groups, or just run "groups" as $user
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1181 [13:16:23] <PaddyScribo> is there a way to throttle the nvidia GPU in my laptop similar to the powersave mode of my CPUs?
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1184 [13:18:49] <PaddyScribo> sometimes when a program (example: second life client) demands too much power from the GPU the system goes into thermal shutdown
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1187 [13:21:51] <allorder> you can't lower it in the game ?
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1189 [13:23:26] <PaddyScribo> it was just an example
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1198 [13:32:25] <jelly> with the closed driver there's nvidia-settings, dunno for nouveau. Probably depends on the card and the level of support mouveau people figured out for that card generation
1199 [13:33:32] <PaddyScribo> okay, will try with the nvidia driver
1200 [13:33:33] <jelly> also maybe clean/vacuum your computer
1201 [13:33:53] <jelly> oh that wasn't a suggestion to use the blob driver
1202 [13:34:24] <jelly> more like "investigate and ask in #nouveau if stuck"
1203 [13:34:27] <PaddyScribo> i have to use it else nvidia-settings wont run :)
1204 [13:36:05] <PaddyScribo> step 1: driver works, no battle with nouveau, now 2
1205 [13:36:45] <jelly> that's the fastest reboot of an x86 laptop ever
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1211 [13:40:04] <rcm888> who uses slax?
1212 [13:40:26] <jelly> !slax
1213 [13:40:26] <dpkg> i heard slax is a <Slackware>-based GNU/Linux Live distribution. replaced-url
1214 [13:40:34] <jelly> probably the people in that channel
1215 [13:40:48] <rcm888> jelly, only 5 people there
1216 [13:40:56] <rcm888> and they dont answer
1217 [13:41:19] <jelly> weekends can be slow in small channel
1218 [13:41:24] <jelly> s
1219 [13:41:32] <jelly> be patient.
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1221 [13:42:28] <jelly> if you have a question other than "who uses" maybe ##linux can help you with more generic answers
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1226 [13:44:58] <SpeedyG> nyov: ok, I might chech that on another box then and see if using the upstream package works
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1228 [13:48:37] <PaddyScribo> too bad, it only offers the "performance" and the "adaptive" level in that power mixer
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1231 [13:49:33] <jelly> does it still make things die with the default
1232 [13:50:07] <PaddyScribo> i havent tested yet
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1234 [13:50:38] <jelly> so why is it "too bad" then
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1236 [13:51:21] <PaddyScribo> cause the docs on the web suggested a "low power" option
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1239 [13:51:48] <PaddyScribo> or do i understand "adaptive" the wrong way?
1240 [13:52:09] <PaddyScribo> so far i believe it is like "on demand"
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1243 [13:53:18] <V7> Is it possible to move running xterm from different xterm?
1244 [13:53:20] <PaddyScribo> yeah, thats not good enough. a software can still drive me into a thermal shutdown
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1246 [13:53:46] <V7> I mean, a window's position of xterm
1247 [13:53:59] <RoyK> rcm888: well, this is a debian-specific channel ;)
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1249 [13:55:02] <jelly> PaddyScribo: let me be explicit: test before complaining
1250 [13:55:14] <PaddyScribo> jelly: roger
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1252 [13:56:44] <jelly> V7: xdotool?
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1255 [13:57:51] <jelly> figure out the windowid with xprop or something
1256 [13:57:57] <V7> bash: xdotool: command not found
1257 [13:58:00] <jelly> !installit
1258 [13:58:01] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
1259 [13:58:22] <V7> jelly: Looking for something which doesn't need an installation
1260 [14:00:25] * jelly shrugs
1261 [14:00:35] <phogg> V7: in that case no, it's not possible
1262 [14:00:46] <phogg> unless you happen to have xdotool or wmctrl already installed
1263 [14:00:46] <V7> Oh
1264 [14:01:05] <V7> So, there's no Xorg utility for that?
1265 [14:01:10] <V7> Preinstalled^
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1267 [14:01:21] <phogg> V7: there is, it's called your mouse
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1269 [14:01:51] <phogg> V7: what things are "pre-installed" isn't up to Xorg. That's up to you, the person who has root.
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1271 [14:02:08] <PinkBellyNagger> replaced-url
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1273 [14:03:00] <phogg> PinkBellyNagger needs a ban.
1274 [14:03:30] <PinkBellyNagger> sorry, that was a private pic I didn't mean to tweet it.
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1276 [14:03:48] <PinkBellyNagger> I linked the wrong one
1277 [14:04:11] <PinkBellyNagger> I should have been me showing my fist
1278 [14:04:24] <jelly> #debian-offtopic is that way PinkBellyNagger ->
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1281 [14:04:45] <jelly> keep this channel for tech issues
1282 [14:05:04] <PinkBellyNagger> I only have an issue with systmed
1283 [14:05:36] <PinkBellyNagger> and the sjw kernel mailing list stuff.
1284 [14:05:49] <PinkBellyNagger> I'm not fixing any more bugs
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1295 [14:14:57] <zChris> Hello, my brother had Stretch but upgraded to butcher. Now screenfetch says that the driver for X is llvmpipe, and in xorg nvidia cant load glx module.
1296 [14:15:10] <nyov> butcher xD
1297 [14:15:31] <zChris> Buster :P
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1299 [14:16:40] <nyov> probably a question for #debian-next
1300 [14:17:17] <zChris> alright off i go!
1301 [14:17:27] <jelly> !debian-next
1302 [14:17:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1303 [14:17:32] <zChris> invitation only :P
1304 [14:17:37] <zChris> aha
1305 [14:17:43] <zChris> oftc.net :(
1306 [14:17:51] <jelly> important piece of info that, yes
1307 [14:18:15] <jelly> also you need an account with OFTC NickServ to speak
1308 [14:18:29] <rgr> and there's never anyone there ;)
1309 [14:18:58] <jelly> except some 300 idle people
1310 [14:19:13] <zChris> well we can treat this problem as a regular debian problem :PÅ
1311 [14:20:16] <jelly> not really, because the regular solution is "use regular kernel and regular nvidia-kernel-dkms that actually work together on stretch"
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1313 [14:20:55] <zChris> alright, how can he downgrade to strecth?
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1315 [14:22:12] <jelly> can't be done, restore the whole system from a backup done before release upgrade to buster
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1317 [14:22:53] <nyov> well, downgrading packages manually is possible, but there is no such thing as release downgrade
1318 [14:23:03] <zChris> i found this replaced-url
1319 [14:23:06] <zChris> perhaps that will help
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1322 [14:24:43] <nyov> looks like something to test
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1325 [14:26:41] <nyov> woohoo, I finally managed to get rid of those ugly round gitlab avatar icons :D
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1327 [14:27:27] <PinkBellyNagger> Hey I'm here to hepl pm me if you like a good strong word on how to fix your system.
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1329 [14:28:15] <jelly> zChris: that's just for the kernel, not the whole OS
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1331 [14:28:56] <jelly> zChris: there's no simple way to downgrade. Reinstall is a sane option.
1332 [14:29:17] <phogg> zChris: you might be able to downgrade very carefully one package at a time. Maybe. It's really not supported and you have a better than even chance of rendering the system unusable.
1333 [14:29:55] <jelly> the insane option that will take a couple hours of your life away:
1334 [14:29:58] <jelly> !partial downgrade
1335 [14:29:59] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
1336 [14:30:19] <jelly> and when things still aren't 100% you're going to want to reinstall anyway
1337 [14:30:25] <V7> Just save all configurations and fully reinstall
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1340 [14:32:00] <at0m> V7: no db's? no /var/lib? );
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1342 [14:32:42] <V7> of course, +dbs
1343 [14:32:54] <V7> All sentitive data
1344 [14:32:55] <nyov> I think the SO answer looks superior to dpkg's factoid. I'd try that first
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1356 [14:38:45] <deicide-> what was the website to paste logs
1357 [14:39:25] <jelly> nyov: that factoid is not complete, one would also want to /msg dpkg not available (which is not taken care of in either of the answers at that SO link)
1358 [14:39:28] <jelly> !paste
1359 [14:39:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1360 [14:39:34] <deicide-> thx
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1377 [14:53:21] <isaki_> hi
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1416 [15:32:30] <isaki_> jj
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1440 [15:43:46] <isaki_> hii
1441 [15:43:51] <khalop> hello
1442 [15:44:00] <isaki_> nuuc
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1444 [15:44:06] <khalop> sorry
1445 [15:44:20] <isaki_> ok
1446 [15:44:29] <V7> Thank you very much
1447 [15:44:37] <khalop> thanks all
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1458 [15:54:15] <linux_user> Hello all!
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1462 [15:55:41] <linux_user> I am going to install Debian and I am curious how reasonable it might be to install Debian with full disk encryption yet placing the boot MBR and /boot partition on a USB stick, so if I pull out the USB stick the system becomes unbeatable? I also intend to keep an encryption key on the USB stick and modify the boot script so I can boot it without tying in the luks password
1463 [15:55:45] <linux_user> what say anyone on that?
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1466 [15:56:11] <linux_user> tying=typing
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1473 [16:03:19] <cnx> hi i've just installed debian buster xfce on my new machine and wifi doesnot show up
1474 [16:04:41] <cnx> the card is realtek rtl8822be and i've installed the firmware-realtek
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1476 [16:07:44] <at0m> cnx: and you've determined the right interface for wireless? often something like wlx01234567abcdef
1477 [16:08:11] <at0m> cnx: and for buster, irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next
1478 [16:08:31] <cnx> default installation doesn't have ifconfig, but ip link shows only lo and ethernet
1479 [16:09:02] <at0m> the card is rtl8822be as per lsusb/lspci ?
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1482 [16:09:41] <cnx> yep it does show up on lspci correctly
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1484 [16:10:51] <cnx> now since the dawn of user-friendly gnu/linux desktop, i have no idea how to debug wifi problem :-(
1485 [16:11:43] <cnx> oh, one other thing, thee installer however doesn't recognize the card/didn't ask for firmware package
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1488 [16:13:08] <at0m> cnx: buster isnt here.
1489 [16:13:14] <at0m> dpkg: tell cnx about testing
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1493 [16:16:43] <cnx> at0m: i'm really sorry but i'm on ubuntu budgie live right now (that's the only live media i've got left) and not sure how to connect the really irc protocol
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1497 [16:19:00] <cnx> oh i think i still have my old machine
1498 [16:19:32] <at0m> cnx: irc protocol? what are you using now? replaced-url
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1501 [16:21:00] <at0m> cnx: you /are/ on irc, just not the right network for testing support. if you use a local client, just /connect irc.oftc.net then /join #debian-next
1502 [16:21:09] <cnx> thank you, i thought oftc only provide plain irc, heading to that now
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1509 [16:25:30] <rgr> what do you mean plain irc?
1510 [16:26:16] <at0m> i think irc:// uri got them confused
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1560 [17:16:11] <booyah> in xterm after inactivity the screen gets locked in some stupid way: I am back at the user login prompt. how to stop this?
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1562 [17:18:53] <cnx> how to create network interface for wifi card?
1563 [17:19:41] <BCMM> cnx: you know you're still on freenode, right?
1564 [17:19:42] <cnx> i have a rtl8822be which is recognized by lspci, firmware installed but doesn't show up on iw
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1566 [17:20:02] <cnx> BCMM: what do you mean?
1567 [17:20:34] <BCMM> well it's quiet here today, and about the last thing that happened on this channel was you getting directed to oftc
1568 [17:20:49] <BCMM> sorry
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1571 [17:21:38] <BCMM> cnx: is this about the same machine you mentioned on #debian-next? you don't "create" network interfaces for network devices. if the device and the driver are working properly, the interfaces just appear
1572 [17:21:53] <cnx> yes it is
1573 [17:22:05] <cnx> so what is the problem do you think
1574 [17:22:21] <BCMM> cnx: anything in dmesg|grep firmware?
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1579 [17:25:09] <cnx> sorry it took a while since i cannot recover from sleeping on that machine (damn)
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1583 [17:25:43] <cnx> dmesg | grep firmware only mention the gpu, bluetooth and ethernet
1584 [17:26:08] <cnx> but the radio card rtl8822be is for both bluetooth and wifi
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1594 [17:29:13] <cnx> BCMM: normally how is the interface created?
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1597 [17:30:45] <BCMM> cnx: i mean, i guess the driver just creates it when it gets loaded?
1598 [17:31:02] <BCMM> cnx: what kernel version are you on?
1599 [17:31:12] <cnx> i'm on 4.18
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1601 [17:31:33] <cnx> on fedora same kernel ver and wifi works
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1603 [17:31:52] <BCMM> well, distros patch stuff sometimes. but this should work from 4.14, upstream...
1604 [17:33:15] <tw> Is there a way to get sudo to parse arguments as a vector and not flatten to a string?
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1606 [17:33:24] <cnx> how could you find out that it should work since 4.14
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1609 [17:33:46] <BCMM> cnx: google.
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1611 [17:34:17] <cnx> also BCMM, it only doesn't work on Debian, Ubuntu and openSUSE work too
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1613 [17:35:15] <cnx> i think i will try to compile to vanila kernel
1614 [17:36:16] <cnx> does debian provide any guide for compiling kernel or we just do it and it won't be touched by dpkg?
1615 [17:36:16] <BCMM> cnx: you could also check if debian's kernel is built with CONFIG_R8822BE
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1618 [17:37:24] <Fenwick17> Hello, I am trying to install steam on my new Debian 9 build however running into an error, I have followed replaced-url
1619 [17:37:29] <BCMM> looks like no. it also looks like it's still a staging driver - perhaps debian has a different policy on those than fedora
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1622 [17:38:17] <cnx> /boot/config* says CONFIG_R8822BE is not set
1623 [17:38:25] <cnx> what should I do
1624 [17:39:11] <BCMM> cnx: building your own kernel looks like valid option actually
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1627 [17:39:37] <BCMM> you don't need to go to vanilla, though - you could just build debian's kernel with the config changed
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1629 [17:39:56] <Fenwick17> I have tried to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 and ibgl1-mesa-glx:i386 to see if that makes the steam install happy, but unfortunately not
1630 [17:40:26] <cnx> BCMM: lemme do some research and see
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1632 [17:42:25] <cnx> Fenwick17: which GPU do you have
1633 [17:42:47] <Fenwick17> cnx GTX 1080
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1636 [17:43:47] <Fenwick17> Currently using Nvidia 390.87 drivers
1637 [17:45:01] <cnx> it may have sth to do with the notice (the orange triangle sign)
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1639 [17:45:25] <cnx> steam pull lib-mesa-* which conflict with your current one
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1641 [17:46:07] <Fenwick17> Is there a way around that, or do I need to find the appropriate driver version for whatever steam wants?
1642 [17:47:31] <Fenwick17> Though I have seen for Stream Proton stuff you need 396 drivers
1643 [17:47:34] <cnx> i can't tell if this works, but have you tried to install libgl1-nvidia-glx for i396
1644 [17:48:47] <cnx> *i386
1645 [17:48:48] <Fenwick17> I have ran sudo apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 but that returned more unment dependency issues. Related to Depends: nvidia-alternative:i386 (= 384.130-1) and Depends: libnvidia-glcore:i386 (= 384.130-1) but 390.87-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed
1646 [17:49:02] <Fenwick17> Recommends: nvidia-kernel-dkms:i386 (= 384.130-1) or nvidia-kernel-384.130:i386
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1650 [17:53:01] <Alexey__> Всем привет!
1651 [17:53:21] <at0m> !ru
1652 [17:53:21] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
1653 [17:55:14] <cnx> Fenwick17: you may want to post that on /r/debian or wait for another time, today it's really quite here
1654 [17:55:38] <Fenwick17> cnx: No problem, I will do that :)
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1689 [18:15:45] <hexhaxtron> I want to run Debian on a USB Flash Stick as a complete system with which I can install new packages, keep personal files... Can someone pinpoint me to a webpage?
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1692 [18:17:29] <ArlequInOut> sure, replaced-url
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1700 [18:23:01] <JNash_DMIS> Anyone very good setting up bridging on Debian Stretch for KVM? I am struggling.
1701 [18:23:42] <JNash_DMIS> Maybe point me to a legit "How To" site...?
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1726 [18:39:28] <akko> a
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1728 [18:40:23] <RoyK> b
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1735 [18:44:50] <jelly> akko: is everything alright over there? Your last 5 lines were complete noise.
1736 [18:45:12] <jelly> (5 lines over 4 days, but still noise)
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1740 [18:45:53] <akko> jelly: sorry
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1742 [18:46:54] <JNash_DMIS> anyone strong with kvm?
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1746 [18:47:19] <RoyK> o/
1747 [18:47:27] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: I know a fair bit
1748 [18:48:05] <JNash_DMIS> nice. are you aware of any "how to" sites that are accurate? I am running debian 9 stretch and need to enable bridging
1749 [18:48:11] <JNash_DMIS> i am struggling
1750 [18:48:34] <RoyK> bridging is rather simple, really
1751 [18:48:54] <JNash_DMIS> that is what I remember, but for some reason, I am struggling
1752 [18:49:23] <JNash_DMIS> wasnt there a change a a year or so ago to how networking was handled?
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1755 [18:50:48] <JNash_DMIS> here is what I have tried that is failing, auto eno1 iface eno1 inet manual then iface br0 inet static followed by the specifics
1756 [18:51:03] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: something like this replaced-url
1757 [18:51:08] <RoyK> that's my config
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1759 [18:51:29] <RoyK> just replace the interface names with your own - and the addresses etc - and you shold be game
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1763 [18:51:50] <JNash_DMIS> ah, maybe i need static instead of manual
1764 [18:51:54] <JNash_DMIS> thanks
1765 [18:52:00] <JNash_DMIS> i will give it a try now
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1767 [18:52:19] <RoyK> manual is used for ipv6, static for ipv4 - it's a bit confusing
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1777 [18:56:16] <JNash_DMIS> got it
1778 [18:56:20] <JNash_DMIS> rebooting now
1779 [18:56:27] <JNash_DMIS> fingers crossed
1780 [18:56:39] <RoyK> good luck ;)
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1784 [18:56:55] <JNash_DMIS> thx
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1789 [18:58:26] <JNash_DMIS> on boot, i get an error "failed to raise network interfaces"
1790 [18:58:49] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: what does "ip link list" have to say?
1791 [18:58:57] <JNash_DMIS> standby 1
1792 [18:59:12] <RoyK> any chance to pastebin that?
1793 [18:59:16] <RoyK> or a pic
1794 [18:59:25] <JNash_DMIS> lo, eno1, eno2... no br0 listed
1795 [18:59:36] <JNash_DMIS> this is a new dell r330 server
1796 [18:59:39] <RoyK> is bridge-utils installed?
1797 [18:59:58] <RoyK> pastebin /etc/network/interfaces as well
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1799 [19:00:21] <JNash_DMIS> yes, bridge-utils installed
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1801 [19:00:40] <JNash_DMIS> i dont understand pastebin
1802 [19:00:46] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: which debian version is this?
1803 [19:00:50] <RoyK> !pastebin
1804 [19:00:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1805 [19:00:51] <RoyK> !pastebinit
1806 [19:00:59] <JNash_DMIS> ah, got it
1807 [19:01:22] <JNash_DMIS> standby
1808 [19:01:46] <RoyK> ifup br0
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1810 [19:02:02] <RoyK> I need to see the config before I can debug this further
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1812 [19:02:40] <JNash_DMIS> debian 9.5
1813 [19:03:02] <RoyK> paste the interfaces file somewhere like pastebin
1814 [19:03:13] <JNash_DMIS> unknown interface
1815 [19:03:16] <RoyK> and full output of "ip link list"
1816 [19:03:24] <JNash_DMIS> ok
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1818 [19:03:38] <warai_otoko> what can I do when I can't compile my kernel on Debian Jessie:
1819 [19:03:41] <warai_otoko> debian/ruleset/local.mk:102: recipe for target 'kernel-headers' failed
1820 [19:03:53] <RoyK> apt install kernel-headers ?
1821 [19:04:05] <warai_otoko> system complains also about REPORTING-BUGS not found :-/
1822 [19:04:22] <RoyK> not sure - google it
1823 [19:04:39] <warai_otoko> isn't kernel-headers what I'm trying to build??
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1826 [19:05:27] <warai_otoko> it breaks explicitly when building these
1827 [19:05:33] <jelly> warai_otoko: investigate why it failed? How are you building?
1828 [19:05:43] <jelly> make deb-pkg ?
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1830 [19:06:03] <warai_otoko> some people suggest touch REPORTING-BUGS but where should this file reside?
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1832 [19:06:39] <jelly> root of the kernel source
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1834 [19:07:11] <jelly> warai_otoko: but which kernel are you trying to build and how exactly are you doing it
1835 [19:07:15] <jelly> !ask
1836 [19:07:16] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1837 [19:07:18] <warai_otoko> jelly: ok, then wish me luck because that's what I tried 👍
1838 [19:07:28] <JNash_DMIS> collecting the info now
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1840 [19:08:03] <jelly> warai_otoko: add some verbosity and retry if it fails again
1841 [19:08:03] <JNash_DMIS> Royk: collecting info now
1842 [19:08:09] <RoyK> ok
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1844 [19:08:18] <_2E0LNX> Q: Which is the correct channel to join to discuss installing Debian on a GuruPlug (armel) ?
1845 [19:09:39] <RoyK> _2E0LNX: #linux-arm, perhaps
1846 [19:09:43] <jelly> _2E0LNX: there's a #debian-arm over on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) but be patient
1847 [19:10:17] <_2E0LNX> thank you both, I'll check in with those two
1848 [19:10:23] * RoyK rebuilt a guruplug by removing the motherboard and replacing it with an orange pi ;)
1849 [19:11:04] <jelly> I think I have a dozen *pi boards around, none working well
1850 [19:11:09] <_2E0LNX> that's not exactly "rebuild" is it?
1851 [19:11:14] <RoyK> the old system was bricked and I lacked the cables - this one works now
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1855 [19:12:11] <RoyK> jelly: what whas the issue with those boards? I have several in production - works well, both at home for certain fun stuff and rpi for infoscreens
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1858 [19:15:18] <jelly> there's a serious pebcak with each one
1859 [19:16:04] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: replaced-url
1860 [19:16:33] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: The interface came up now. Strange. Possibly my typing.
1861 [19:18:16] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: Now onto nameservers
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1872 [19:27:00] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: Thanks for you help. I appreciate it.
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1877 [19:27:36] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK, Thanks
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1887 [19:40:56] <deepfreez> Hi, I have a project in github, how I find people to check my project and do some pull request?
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1889 [19:42:03] <SwedeMike> deepfreez: what is the project about?
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1891 [19:42:31] <SwedeMike> deepfreez: pull requests come from people who are interested in what you're doing and who want to enhance it.
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1893 [19:44:13] <deepfreez> SwedeMike, a tool to notify the clients if is a incident or something goes wrong with a part of a software : replaced-url
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1902 [19:50:15] <deepfreez> ah. right now I see in what channel i asked this question:D pfff it was for github channel, sorry.
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1975 [20:41:15] <Psyndrome> If i want to install windows over debian this will destroy the grub loader right?
1976 [20:42:24] <Psyndrome> I mean is there a safe way to do a dualboot without destroying this boot system
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1980 [20:45:31] <KdeKris> Anyone know where I can find the net-tools and wireless-tools packages for side loading onto Bodhi Linux 5.0?
1981 [20:46:17] <Javabean> personally my dual boot setup(win7 and debian kde) involves having 2 different drives and switching the cables between them to choose which os to use, Psyndrome
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1984 [20:47:11] <KdeKris> The drivers are installed, it shows the wireless card is recognized, but "lshw -C network" shows it's disabled, even though it shows enabled in the toolbar at the bottom.
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1993 [20:49:17] <Psyndrome> Sounds good but unfortunately my second drive is showing 0% health and it does not allow me to install windows or may be whatever it is
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1995 [20:49:29] <Psyndrome> Im just using it for information
1996 [20:49:57] <Psyndrome> with disabled warnings from smart system to be able to boot the system
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2000 [20:51:43] <at0m> KdeKris: see /topic #bodhilinux - tl;dr support via their discord server
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2002 [20:52:00] <Javabean> i would say to buy a really rather cheap SSD for windows's boot drive. been there done that. and switch the drives like i suggested already. i realise this is an extra cost on top of the rediculous price for windows, but ssd's are really rather cheap lately
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2004 [20:53:12] <KdeKris> Thank you at0m I tried #bodhi, but it was dead. I didn't think to try a different channel
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2007 [20:54:02] <at0m> KdeKris: to search channels on freenode, /msg alis help
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2010 [20:54:18] <at0m> i did /msg alis list bodhi
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2012 [20:55:01] <KdeKris> awesome, thanks for the tip
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2017 [21:00:01] <Psyndrome> thanks for the advices
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2030 [21:04:47] <litb> hello all
2031 [21:05:01] <litb> why can't i use "apt-get upgrade", but *can* use "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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2033 [21:05:51] <rudi_s> litb: "can use"?
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2037 [21:06:41] <litb> see replaced-url
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2039 [21:06:54] <litb> upgrade gives those errors, but dist-upgrade works
2040 [21:07:12] <litb> i thought upgrade means "update the system, but don't install new software"
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2042 [21:07:25] <litb> and dist-uprade is "upgrade, but also install new software if needed"
2043 [21:07:44] <litb> however, the error messages indicate that only package upgrades are needed, but are forbidden. no new software needed
2044 [21:07:56] <litb> so I don't understand what's wrong
2045 [21:07:59] <litb> (debian unstable)
2046 [21:08:06] <n4dir> plonk
2047 [21:08:51] <at0m> dpkg: tell litb about sid
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2051 [21:09:42] <litb> at0m, thanks
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2053 [21:10:12] <annadane> so there's a few different things going on here. if you run sid (and btw the channel for testing/sid is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) you need to be aware of the concept of package transitions which this probably is. often you just need to wait. in general, though, some manual package intervention may be required
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2055 [21:10:38] <litb> sorry about asking for sid here.. wasn't aware
2056 [21:10:50] <annadane> !tell litb about bat
2057 [21:10:53] <n4dir> and you sure will have to know how packagemanagement works.
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2059 [21:11:04] <annadane> if you're unsure, paste that output dpkg asks for in the channel i mentioned
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2061 [21:12:07] <litb> n4dir, hope i'm not yet in your killfile :)
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2063 [21:12:15] <annadane> also, check the tracker. tracker.debian.org
2064 [21:12:43] <annadane> in my estimation it's *probably* a transition but i'm not certain
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2067 [21:13:53] <n4dir> litb: you are not. I found no better way to tell you that if you ask that, then debian *unstable* is not for you.
2068 [21:14:07] <n4dir> nearly fell of my chair :-)
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2072 [21:15:24] <annadane> i'll refrain from telling people to not use sid if they're already on sid but yeah, anyone using sid should be prepared for held back packages and transitions and the bugs that result which could be anything from a minor annoyance to the display server not starting
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2074 [21:16:04] <annadane> 99% of the time it works fine but if one wants a totally hassle free experience and is on a computer valuable to their work stable is preferred
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2076 [21:16:27] <annadane> (but you'd have to reinstall. debian doesn't support downgrades like that)
2077 [21:16:39] <litb> i'm just not yet familiar with debian things. if things break or don't work, i'll be able to fix it. just like right now.
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2079 [21:16:48] <litb> i'm all for "learning by doing"
2080 [21:17:08] <annadane> sure. just have backups of your work and be prepared for downtime sometimes
2081 [21:17:23] <annadane> replaced-url
2082 [21:17:31] <RoyK> !dontbrakdebian
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2085 [21:17:57] <RoyK> dpkg: don't break debian
2086 [21:17:57] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
2087 [21:17:59] <annadane> the dontbreakdebian thing doesn't really apply if they're on pure sid
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2091 [21:18:34] <RoyK> annadane: Sid is the kid that breaks toys, remember?
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2094 [21:19:23] <annadane> still doesn't apply with regard to that page
2095 [21:19:25] <n4dir> it breaks for other reasons than the ones mentioned in the don't-break-debian factoid.
2096 [21:19:48] <RoyK> doesn't matter - use stable if you want something stable
2097 [21:20:01] <n4dir> and like annadane said: if at all. In my experience sid is way more stable than quite some other distros out there. And sure more stable than a frankendebian.
2098 [21:20:56] <n4dir> usually hits you if you got no time at all, though :-)
2099 [21:20:59] <litb> some of that apply perfectly also to sid. like "don't use make install" (at least not with --prefix=/usr)
2100 [21:21:00] <RoyK> n4dir: Sid is fine so long as you know it's clinically unstable ;)
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2103 [21:21:53] <annadane> it can be a fine desktop as long as you make provisions for not being able sometimes to have 100% of your system work and you're somewhat familiar with the internals like package management. it's bad if you need reliability, as i said
2104 [21:22:27] <RoyK> litb: hehe - make install with --prefix=/usr is a good way to fuck things up
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2106 [21:24:06] <n4dir> people told me what they always say. I (using computers for very short) thought: oh, fun. Let's have a look how quick i can break it. Did it in VBox. Didn't break, and i endet running Sid for quite some years. Had to recover from backup once, at minimum twice. But that is not a general case: might just have been luck
2107 [21:24:19] <n4dir> that is: still doesn't make it: yeah, go for it. No problems.
2108 [21:24:37] <annadane> one thing about the dontbreakdebian page is important, though, the fact that if you want new software you don't need testing/unstable necessarily. replaced-url
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2110 [21:25:21] <annadane> (as in, if you need one specific application which is newer, that's a bad reason to use sid. if you want all new stuff and are prepared for breakage, then fine)
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2113 [21:25:55] <annadane> testing/unstable users are still valuable to the community, as they contribute bug reports and patches
2114 [21:26:09] <annadane> !tell litb about newcomer
2115 [21:27:41] <at0m> annadane: i agree, but litb is in for a ride if they don't even know basic ~standard operation, let alone buglists or workarounds
2116 [21:27:50] <annadane> i agree
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2119 [21:28:28] <n4dir> the sledgehammer approach :-)
2120 [21:28:49] <annadane> package transitions and how to work around them is a must-know if one wants to run debian unstable (and to a somewhat lesser extent testing)
2121 [21:29:06] <litb> i've already installed that buglist plugin for apt
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2125 [21:29:27] <at0m> litb: that lists only the /known/ bugs :>
2126 [21:29:42] <at0m> but it's a good start :)
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2128 [21:30:49] <at0m> litb: and indeed, i see you're in #debian-next, if you have time to idle there you'll see the most common quirks pass on by
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2130 [21:31:16] <annadane> (also, IMO, for general use cases it's a hassle to run newer versions of debian anyway. stable is nice because you can afford to be lazy with updates, the system doesn't change suddenly from underneath you_
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2134 [21:32:15] <at0m> "why does 'su' eat my $PATH" was quite popular recently :)
2135 [21:32:35] <n4dir> on sid or testing i wouldn't upgrade less than once a week, rathe more often. annadane
2136 [21:32:52] <litb> this appears to describe the "package transitions" that you warn me about: replaced-url
2137 [21:32:54] <n4dir> i usually did it after login and before logout
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2142 [21:35:19] <annadane> i'm still having screen blanking on i3 (which i'd like to turn off). i have in my .xsession: xset s off && xset -dpms but it doesn't seem to do the trick
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2154 [21:41:01] <annadane> i know there's a wiki page on the order in which the config files are read on startup but i don't remember what it is
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2169 [21:48:02] <gkgk> hii
2170 [21:48:09] <herotoda13> hello
2171 [21:49:20] <litb> annadane, maybe the logind session-property "IdleAction" is set to something that blanks the screen after some time?
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2175 [21:51:32] <JNash_DMIS> anyone know how to configure DNS nameservers statically on Debian 9.5 Stretch running XFCE? I have read the Debian Wiki and still cant get it to work. It seems that NetworkManager is the issue.
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2177 [21:52:07] <pongo1> hii alll
2178 [21:52:29] <theraspberry> hiya!
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2183 [21:53:13] <annadane> litb, maybe. how do i check?
2184 [21:53:21] <n4dir> annadane: try if this helps, scroll down to "X sessions" replaced-url
2185 [21:53:28] <gkgk> check
2186 [21:53:38] <pkpkpk1> it may work
2187 [21:54:34] <litb> annadane, loginctl -a show-session
2188 [21:54:49] <litb> for me, it says "IdleAction=ignore"
2189 [21:54:56] <annadane> same for me
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2196 [21:58:54] <JNash_DMIS> how do you statically set the nameservers in Debian 9.5?
2197 [21:59:00] <n4dir> do the xset commands work if you run them from a terminal emulator after you logged in, annadane ?
2198 [21:59:02] <annadane> ok so according to greycat's wiki my .xsession is just incorrect, the way i made it
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2200 [21:59:21] <annadane> i don't know, i didn't notice
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2202 [21:59:42] <n4dir> i mean: if that works, just make them autostart ?
2203 [22:00:05] <annadane> "If you want to run various X client commands before your window manager or desktop environment is invoked (for example, xterm & or xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_R = Multi_key'), you can put them in .xsession before the exec YourWindowManager line."
2204 [22:00:31] <annadane> so i need to have that line apparently, now i just need to know how to exec i3, i don't know what name it goes by
2205 [22:00:58] <annadane> i3.desktop?
2206 [22:00:59] <n4dir> do ls /usr/bin/*i3* ?
2207 [22:01:11] <n4dir> pretty sure it is just "exec i3" , but ...
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2210 [22:01:44] <n4dir> sometimes you got a templet at /etc/X11/xinit
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2214 [22:02:57] <annadane> replaced-url
2215 [22:03:09] <n4dir> thats the spirit.
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2220 [22:04:22] <annadane> if that doesn't work i'll resort to putting the xset lines in .config/i3/config
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2224 [22:04:45] <annadane> well, no, if that doesn't work i'll ask here so i learn to do it properly
2225 [22:05:14] <annadane> i think it would work anyway, though
2226 [22:05:46] <n4dir> where is greycat when you need him. Pretty sure he once explained in long detail what happens when X gets started (including a display-manager, without display-manager, etc)
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2230 [22:07:00] <annadane> JNash_DMIS, i don't know much about it but you may find an answer here replaced-url
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2237 [22:10:42] <annadane> "The default search path (used when the environment does not contain the variable PATH) shows some variation across systems. It generally includes /bin and /usr/bin (in that order) and may also include the current working directory. (from the exec man page) and ls /usr/bin/*i3* has one entry /usr/bin/i3
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2243 [22:12:45] <n4dir> then exec i3 should do the job.
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2245 [22:14:31] <n4dir> i yet have to see a wm which doesn't use /usr/bin for the "exec" part in .xinitrc
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2256 [22:21:25] <annadane> from what i can gather on w.d.o/NetworkConfiguration the answer is "you can't" but i thought i've seen discussions of ways to make it static
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2258 [22:23:54] <annadane> JNash_DMIS, sorry. the relevant section seems to be replaced-url
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2261 [22:24:33] <Tech_8> hi
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2267 [22:31:51] <format_c> Tech_8: hi
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2274 [22:34:05] <newbsduser> hello guys, I have a rtsp:// live stream url. I want to check video output for this stream is healthy or not? How can I do that?
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2288 [22:41:46] <format_c> newbsduser: vlc understands nearly everything
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2291 [22:43:54] <newbsduser> format_c: how can use vlc on the command line for that purpose? I dont want to play rtsp
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2293 [22:44:32] <litb> in my experience, vlc option processing on command line is confusing
2294 [22:44:35] <litb> i recommend "mpv"
2295 [22:44:41] <Thedarkb-T60> Hey, I keep changing my DNS to google DNS because there's a DNS outage here in Ireland.
2296 [22:44:55] <newbsduser> if you can share an example, I will appreciate
2297 [22:45:08] <Thedarkb-T60> But when I put my laptop to sleep and wake it up, it deletes the 8.8.8.8 entry.
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2301 [22:47:53] <Tech_8> Thedarkb-T60: did you do the ip address ad dhcp or static, then just do the dns static to google?
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2303 [22:48:00] <Tech_8> and*
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2305 [22:48:10] <Tech_8> or*
2306 [22:48:11] <Thedarkb-T60> I used the network settings tool.
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2308 [22:48:34] <Thedarkb-T60> I just added the 8.8.8.8 entry to the list.
2309 [22:48:47] <Tech_8> ;like for ip settings did you choose static ip address for the pc, then put the DNS. Or did you do dhcp for the computer and static DNS?
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2311 [22:50:12] <Tech_8> if you did dhcp for ip for computer then put a static dns. Then maybe you can try static for the computer
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2313 [22:50:52] <Tech_8> cause if it set to dhcp, maybe its erasing it
2314 [22:51:48] <Thedarkb-T60> Tech_8, I didn't chose a static IP, no.
2315 [22:51:59] <Tech_8> try doing it all static for the computer
2316 [22:52:09] <Thedarkb-T60> I have a dynamic IP though.
2317 [22:52:18] <Tech_8> oh
2318 [22:52:26] <Thedarkb-T60> and I have no choice in the matter.
2319 [22:52:30] <Thedarkb-T60> I have an incompetent ISP.
2320 [22:52:32] <Tech_8> im not sure then
2321 [22:52:44] <Tech_8> maybe a bug in debian
2322 [22:53:18] <n4dir> I do it from the routers web interface.
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2324 [22:55:22] <bites> Thedarkb-T60: are you using networkmanager? nm will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf. a hacky way to prevent this is to chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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2326 [22:57:08] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, I'm using network-admin
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2328 [22:57:28] <Thedarkb-T60> My router's too locked down to support that n4dir
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2331 [23:00:52] <Tech_8> Thedarkb-T60: there might be a router setting to set dns
2332 [23:01:20] <Thedarkb-T60> Tech_8, It's a Zyxel running custom firmware that forbids it.
2333 [23:01:41] <Tech_8> oh
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2340 [23:02:47] <bites> so, try what i suggested? change resolv.conf to what you need then make it immutable.
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2343 [23:03:51] <bites> make sure that whatever that network-admin thing is you are using didn't create a symlink to /etc/resolv.conf
2344 [23:05:30] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, will do.
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2346 [23:06:24] <Thedarkb-T60> # Generated by NetworkManager
2347 [23:06:24] <Thedarkb-T60> nameserver 192.168.1.254
2348 [23:06:25] <Thedarkb-T60> nameserver fe80::1e74:dff:fe10:d764%wls3
2349 [23:06:25] <Thedarkb-T60> nameserver 8.8.8.8
2350 [23:06:25] <rant> newbsduser: try rtmpdump perhaps
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2352 [23:06:33] <rant> ,i rtmpdump
2353 [23:06:34] <judd> Package rtmpdump (web, extra) in stretch/amd64: small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP protocol. Version: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; Size: 50.1k; Installed: 142k; Homepage: replaced-url
2354 [23:06:38] <Thedarkb-T60> That's my /etc/resolve.conf bites
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2356 [23:07:00] <rant> or mplayer for that matter.. both work on the command line
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2358 [23:07:10] <Thedarkb-T60> I tried to make it all inverted but the carriage returns messed up the formatting.
2359 [23:07:28] <bites> make sure it's not a symlink. if it is, delete it, create a new file with just the nameserver entry you want.
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2361 [23:07:51] <bites> then do the chattr +i thing.
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2375 [23:21:22] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on resolv.conf
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2378 [23:21:44] <bites> told you to check if it's a symlink.
2379 [23:22:07] <bites> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
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2382 [23:22:59] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, Oh, you're right.
2383 [23:23:26] <Thedarkb-T60> I thought it would show up on ls -a
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2389 [23:29:09] <Thedarkb-T60> Thank you bites, worked perfectly.
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2391 [23:29:40] <Tech_8> Thedarkb-T60: does it stil do it when you put it to sleep?
2392 [23:29:54] <Thedarkb-T60> Tech_8, nope
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2394 [23:30:05] <Tech_8> nice
2395 [23:30:06] <bites> great. don't forget to chattr -i when you want to give control back to nm.
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2402 [23:34:59] <p3rror> Hello
2403 [23:35:21] <format_c> Hello p3rror
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2405 [23:35:35] <p3rror> How is going?
2406 [23:35:46] <p3rror> It seems that it is a long time that I did not been there
2407 [23:35:59] <p3rror> I lost my laptop and been disconnected for a while
2408 [23:36:14] <format_c> same for me every time I'm here :-D
2409 [23:36:39] <p3rror> = )
2410 [23:37:02] <p3rror> Well it is time to work hard now and restore all jobs that been done before
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2414 [23:37:28] <format_c> p3rror: oh yeah I can imagine
2415 [23:38:15] <p3rror> I don't like slack any more, I rather to be always in front of my prefered xchat interfaces
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2423 [23:44:58] <Rboreal_Frippery> I am making a plugin for a program that I would like to distribute in the easiest way for users. It is basically some files and a script that needs to be run, and nont of it requires root access. is there any kind of equivalent to a .DEB for non-root installations, or is the best way still to just provide copy and run script instructions?
2424 [23:45:17] <Rboreal_Frippery> (the only installation is to the users home folder)
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2427 [23:47:32] <annadane> just provide copy + instructions is best IMO
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2430 [23:50:06] <annadane> Rboreal_Frippery, or if you do want to package for debian, feel free... it might help people
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2432 [23:53:39] <jhutchins> Rboreal_Frippery: Might be interesting to learn the process.
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2435 [23:54:10] <annadane> if the program is already in debian, a plugin for it would be well served in the repository
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