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7 [00:02:43] <pink_vampire> xmodmap don't work in every application, is there better or more low level option?
8 [00:03:12] <LovinLinux> is there a way to connect linux computers together via network w/o a server? everything I found talked about NFS and a server
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10 [00:03:53] <LovinLinux> Im hoping for something like (dare i say it) windows where i can share folders between just about an win box on the nextowrk?
11 [00:04:00] <pink_vampire> LovinLinux: you mean like a node?
12 [00:04:36] <LovinLinux> node? not sure, like client to client if that makes sense?
13 [00:05:36] <n4dir> there is sshfs, if that is sufficient for your needs.
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17 [00:06:03] <LovinLinux> that might be, I saw something about sshfs but it wasnt totally clear to me.
18 [00:06:22] <LovinLinux> I really just need to share a directory on one deb box with another deb box
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20 [00:07:08] <LovinLinux> n4dir, would sshfs work for that?
21 [00:07:17] <n4dir> sshfs is straight forward. didn't do it in a long while. but i think just like:
22 [00:07:33] <n4dir> sshfs user@remote:/path /local/mountpoint.
23 [00:07:41] <n4dir> assuming ssh is running, of course
24 [00:08:10] <LovinLinux> that is indeed pretty straightforward. you mean ssh is running on the box that has the dir to be shared?
25 [00:08:11] <n4dir> so yes, for that it would suffice. And i could figure it out in a few minutes. It's dead easy
26 [00:08:33] <n4dir> Yes, on the remote needs to be a ssh server. all if i recall correct.
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28 [00:09:18] <LovinLinux> sorry for this question but... how can i tell if ssh is running on that box? and if its not, how would i inst it? apt install ssh?
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30 [00:09:47] <n4dir> not that sure. I think the metapackage (server and client) is called "ssh".
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32 [00:10:02] <n4dir> the client usually is installed per default, might well be the server too, i am not sure
33 [00:10:12] <n4dir> so do: apt-cache show ssh
34 [00:10:22] <LovinLinux> ok. well thats probably enough nfo to get me started. thanks!
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36 [00:10:40] <n4dir> yes, good luck. You will figure it out very quickly.
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39 [00:11:25] <LovinLinux> btw, thanks #deb, ##linux was... a bit miffed at my noobness. ahh well. cheers
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58 [00:23:09] <karlpinc> I think the package is openssh-server
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66 [00:28:24] <somiaj> and the package ssh should isntall both the openssh-client and the openssh-server
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95 [00:46:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> How do I list all files installed by a package?
96 [00:46:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> with full paths
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99 [00:48:25] <somiaj> Treylis: dpkg -L packagename
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101 [00:50:24] <bit1> TyrfingMjolnir, dpkg -L packagename , as somiaj pointed out .
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105 [00:51:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> apt-file the same thing?
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107 [00:53:50] <bit1> TyrfingMjolnir, yes apt-file list packagename
108 [00:53:53] <at0m> TyrfingMjolnir: almost, but apt-file doesn't require the package to be installed
109 [00:54:12] <at0m> apt-file list $package
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117 [00:59:37] <bites> a minor difference, dpkg -L lists directories separately, while apt-file does not.
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166 [01:36:15] <seemethere> If I had a patch for a debian package how would I go about submitting that patch?
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168 [01:36:39] <g0zzy> I'm wondering why NM never manages to get dhcp to get an address for my wired interface. Is it more likely to be a buggy modem-router (British Telecom) or a faulty nic?
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177 [01:38:33] <rant> g0zzy: that'd be mere speculation.. read the logs, examine the settings on the router.. etc.. dhcp has a pool, it can only lease as many addresses as are in the pool, there are also things like mac filtering and such
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181 [01:39:12] <rant> furthermore if you were to entertain speculation there are far more things that it could be.. the cable for starters
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184 [01:39:33] <g0zzy> I could try a different cable.
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186 [01:39:56] <rant> more constructive that speculation and simpler than log/settings examination is to use process of elimination and testing
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188 [01:40:16] <g0zzy> The router itself has not much config scope. Certainly no logs. Have just hard-reset it
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190 [01:40:28] <rant> your computer has logs
191 [01:40:41] <g0zzy> Yes. I'm watching syslog
192 [01:40:45] <rant> may not be as useful as server side logs but would tell you more than nothing
193 [01:41:13] <g0zzy> I see it timing out on dhclient
194 [01:41:39] <rant> thats usually due to not getting a response in time which suggests dhcp server or cable possibly
195 [01:41:57] <g0zzy> Shall try a different cable
196 [01:42:11] <rant> cable issues arent necessarily the cable itself, could be packet collisions due to network topology, interference, the cable is too long and signal is weak.. etc
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198 [01:42:33] <rant> by topology I mean using hubs on larger networks instead of switches for example
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200 [01:42:45] <rant> hubs can and will do nothing as far as timing or stopping collisions
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212 [01:48:05] <g0zzy> New cable didn't change anything. I am using powerline networking so that's another potential source of iffyness i suppose
213 [01:49:24] <rant> sure, I suppose.. never tried it
214 [01:49:58] <rant> especially if something else is also using that and its not being blocked
215 [01:50:23] <g0zzy> Actually everything else is wifi connected
216 [01:50:32] <rant> I noticed not too long ago our electric company switched meters that now send data to the company presumably over the power lines..
217 [01:50:51] <g0zzy> Right
218 [01:51:15] <rant> and our cable company uses networking over our cable lines, but puts a block outside to keep the boxes internal network from bleeding out of the house
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220 [01:52:35] <rant> that could become difficult to troubleshoot and would likely be my first guess as to the problem.. move the machine to the router, plug it direct if possible.. and see if problem persists
221 [01:52:48] <g0zzy> My router shows nothing connected via Ethernet. But it probably won't until it's given something an address ;)
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223 [01:53:22] <g0zzy> Yes, i'll do that when i can. Physically difficult now
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225 [01:54:02] <g0zzy> What about configuring non-dhcp via NM?
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229 [01:56:20] <rant> its doable.. but only if the problem is latency related
230 [01:56:43] <rant> helps to know what the routers dhcp settings are though so you can give an IP outside the pool but within the subnet
231 [01:57:41] <g0zzy> Yes, that's knowable
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233 [01:59:45] <rant> you using a desktop environment?
234 [02:00:26] <rant> you can just right-click on the nm applet and goto edit connections, select wired connection, click edit, goto the ipv4 tab, and pull down the Method: Automatic (DHCP) and choose static
235 [02:00:28] <g0zzy> Yes. It's a NUC
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237 [02:00:36] <rant> erm manual
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239 [02:00:51] <rant> then hit the add button next to the addresses box
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241 [02:01:08] <rant> fill in the address, netmask, and gateway
242 [02:01:17] <rant> and thats usually all you need
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244 [02:01:47] <g0zzy> I'll have a go. The pool goes from 64 to 253
245 [02:02:01] <rant> so anything from 2 to 63 should work
246 [02:02:14] <g0zzy> Will have a go
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248 [02:02:55] <rant> assuming it doesnt ignorantly have firewall rules to block things outside that pool :p
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323 [02:13:27] <g0zzy> Well i configured it but it certainly didn' appear (the address i used) on running ifconfig
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336 [02:14:02] <g0zzy> I also deleted 'Auto Ethernet' as that was insisting on using dhcp
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358 [02:15:29] <g0zzy> Ironically it used to have a static config in ../interfaces but i deleted that file on running into connection problems and thought i'd try my luck with NM
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394 [02:23:21] <g0zzy> Thanks for the help. Will try again tomorrow
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398 [02:24:30] <rant> hmm.. wget is giving me a connection refused on urls I can get fine in my browser even when I use the same --user-agent as my browser
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400 [02:24:35] <rant> never ran into this before
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403 [02:25:54] <rant> ah.. I had a proxy var set.. hmm
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409 [02:34:42] <rant> I wonder why that happens.. both curl and wget dont work when a proxy is set
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413 [02:37:20] <rant> then again maybe its just the proxy is down or unreachable.. cause I do seem to recall chromium not working with the system proxy settings
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421 [02:41:21] <rant> yep.. ff didn't work either..
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490 [03:14:01] <awal1> which utility is behind the blue screen we get notifications in tty?
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493 [03:14:49] <annadane> ncurses?
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497 [03:15:32] <awal1> i want to make if text only and don't get that blue "square" becauseone loses the previous output
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499 [03:15:42] <awal1> annadane, no
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503 [03:15:56] <awal1> something related to debconf if my memory is good
504 [03:17:13] <awal1> i asked time ago and i think jelly or graycat told me something about debconf
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506 [03:18:05] <awal1> greycat 0r graycat
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510 [03:19:17] <annadane> awal1, maybe dpkg-reconfigure debconf
511 [03:19:47] <awal1> for example the blue screen one gets when prompted if "restart services whithout asking" when you pass from a branch to another
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513 [03:20:29] <awal1> annadane, i will check that in my vm a bit later ok
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516 [03:22:37] <met> my guess would be /usr/bin/dialog
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534 [03:28:13] <awal1> dpkg-reconfigure debconf asks me to chose between dialog, console, kde/gnome, editor. I chosed console. lets see what happens durring upgrades
535 [03:29:03] <awal1> i guess needrestart uses debconf so i'll see how it will notify me
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583 [03:45:35] <michael2> this wiki page:
584 [03:45:36] <michael2> replaced-url
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586 [03:46:49] <michael2> refers to a helper "lxc-net" - but "lxc-net" isn't in my stretch repos?
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588 [03:47:20] <michael2> How do I get this lxc-net?
589 [03:47:46] <awal1> ,v lxc-net
590 [03:47:47] <judd> No package named 'lxc-net' was found in amd64.
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592 [03:48:20] <michael2> do you install it from inside the container?
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595 [03:48:54] <michael2> well, I guess you can't - the container doesn't have networking yet!
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639 [04:22:24] <tharkun> SerajewelKS: Thanks
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649 [04:31:11] <awal1> annadane, thanks for the trick. reconfiguring debconf solves my "issue"
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651 [04:35:56] <awal1> dpkg-reconfigure and 'console' mode chosen ; now i get notified in console mode, no more blue square bcoz of "dialog" mode
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653 [04:36:09] <awal1> met ^
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683 [04:51:10] <awal1> ,v wikipedia2text
684 [04:51:11] <judd> Package: wikipedia2text on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.11-2; jessie: 0.11-3; stretch: 0.12-1; buster: 0.13-1; sid: 0.13-1
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692 [04:54:20] <rant> hmm..
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699 [04:58:40] <rant> wish I had known about that about a year ago when I was doing shit the hard way(tm)
700 [04:58:53] <rant> I was making books and then converting the books to text
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703 [05:01:44] <rant> this would make greycat shit a brick.. heh..
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705 [05:02:15] <rant> its implemented in bash.. and its parsing wikipedia with sed
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735 [05:23:24] <James8> on a desktop i7-4770 is it worth the effort to compile your own kernel these days. much performace change?
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741 [05:32:57] <jim> James8, it could be, for example to enable features you want that weren't enabled before
742 [05:34:13] <jim> James8, it depends a -lot- on what you're trying to accomplish
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745 [05:38:11] <James8> thanks kim
746 [05:38:14] <James8> jim
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1057 [10:19:56] <jelly> !qotd0
1058 [10:19:56] <dpkg> <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes.
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1085 [10:42:22] <ws2k3> is there something wrong with zookeeper on debian 9? i ran apt-get install zookeeper received no errors during install. and service zookeeper status shows me Unit zookeeper.service could not be found.
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1094 [10:45:55] <ws2k3> lol. apt-get install zookeeperd :)
1095 [10:46:40] <Haohmaru> the zookeeper is dead, killed by one of the penguins
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1145 [11:23:26] <gerforce> dpkg: error processing package procps (--configure):
1146 [11:23:27] <dpkg> gerforce: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1147 [11:23:29] <gerforce> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
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1150 [11:24:17] <gerforce> i have encounterd this error, how can i fix it.
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1155 [11:26:25] <at0m> gerforce: post the full output and the command you used to get there. also, more info in the script at /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.postinst
1156 [11:26:40] <at0m> gerforce: pastebin, not post here
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1165 [11:32:24] <gerforce> at0m: here is the error:replaced-url
1166 [11:33:23] <at0m> like the err says: "See 'systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details"
1167 [11:33:58] <at0m> gerforce: if you need help with the output of those, pastebin them
1168 [11:34:34] <at0m> they will give more details on why the service fails to start
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1202 [11:59:49] <gerforce> at0m:alright,i'll check later. Have to go now. Thanks
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1244 [12:32:25] <Cariveri> Hi. Is php7.1.3 going to in one of the debian stretch upgades soon?
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1248 [12:33:31] <petn-randall> Cariveri: It's fairly unlikely.
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1250 [12:34:21] <Cariveri> So I would have to wait for debian buster somewhere md 2019?
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1254 [12:35:46] <Cariveri> petn-randall: thanks for your reply.
1255 [12:37:16] <petn-randall> Cariveri: Yes. If you need 7.1, you can always get it from 3rd party repos like replaced-url
1256 [12:39:07] <Cariveri> petn-randall: nice. So it is rather tustworthy then.
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1260 [12:43:42] <grady> i know how to split video files with ffmpeg, but only with time, how i can do that with filesize? like if i have over 10Gb file, i can split it from the half?
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1263 [12:44:19] <colo-work> grady, so that you can still view/decode the individual chunks of the video file?
1264 [12:44:40] <grady> yes?
1265 [12:45:01] <selckin> its a compression format, so exact half will never be possible, so might aswel do it on time half
1266 [12:45:42] <grady> but i dont know these times.. i just want to keep uploading my large videos to google photos :), there is 10gb filesize limit
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1268 [12:46:39] <grady> and i want do the splitting from termux :)
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1345 [13:44:41] <BCMM> grady: i think selckin might have misunderstood. you can definitely reduce the file size of a video by losing quality
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1348 [13:46:06] <BCMM> grady: that's what you want, right? keep the full length of the video, but reduce the quality?
1349 [13:46:51] <BCMM> grady: btw, you know that, despite the presence of apt, termux isn't a Debian environment, right? (unless you install a fake chroot with debootstrap)
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1361 [13:54:11] <grady> no, i dont want to reduce the file size, i want split it.
1362 [13:54:26] <grady> one to two or more
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1364 [13:55:39] <BCMM> grady: oh right, i misunderstood. you want to split it after the first 5GB?
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1366 [13:56:10] <Haohmaru> archive it in segments
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1371 [13:57:11] <BCMM> grady: do you need to be able to watch the segments individually, without first combining them?
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1375 [13:58:58] <grady> yes
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1377 [13:59:30] <BCMM> it will certainly be easiest to just calculate a length from the desired file size
1378 [13:59:48] <BCMM> then you can use ffmpeg's segment feature
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1381 [14:00:29] <grady> but im not working just one video file, there is multiple over 10gigs files
1382 [14:01:07] <BCMM> with different bitrates?
1383 [14:01:53] <grady> perhaps
1384 [14:02:15] <DrJ> question: when I issue the date command I get the correct local time. However, my logs, such as /var/log/mail.log are 4 hours ahead
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1386 [14:02:43] <Haohmaru> logs from the future
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1389 [14:03:19] <DrJ> other logs in /var/log are the same, 4 hours ahead
1390 [14:03:34] <DrJ> my apache logs, stored in the user's home directory, have correct time
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1392 [14:03:37] <DrJ> any ideas?
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1394 [14:04:34] <Haohmaru> DrJ the command you ran, were you root?
1395 [14:04:44] <DrJ> yes, and I'm root right now running date
1396 [14:04:51] <DrJ> getting correct time
1397 [14:05:18] <DrJ> if I recall correctly I modified the timezone with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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1399 [14:06:20] <BCMM> grady: well, you can tell ffmpeg to stop after a certain size is reached. you can then take the resulting time and put it back in as the start time for another run of ffmpeg...
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1402 [14:07:06] <BCMM> grady: somebody has a script to do this replaced-url
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1407 [14:08:25] <DrJ> eh okay, fixed
1408 [14:08:28] <grady> i already looking that :)
1409 [14:08:36] <DrJ> systemctl restart rsyslog
1410 [14:08:39] <grady> it is close what i want
1411 [14:08:49] <DrJ> guess it doesn't start using the right time until you restart it
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1521 [15:03:51] <ikarosuusi> should I avoid appimage?
1522 [15:04:07] <ikarosuusi> smells fishy
1523 [15:04:24] <ikarosuusi> but lööv tuudii wants to do it
1524 [15:04:51] <ikarosuusi> and im not completely sure
1525 [15:04:56] <ikarosuusi> so doctor me on this one
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1532 [15:08:42] <tsglove> do it ikarosuusi
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1546 [15:16:41] <Antares_> replaced-url
1547 [15:16:57] <ikarosuusi> OK!
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1555 [15:25:06] <Antares_> replaced-url
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1563 [15:30:59] <ayekat> Antares_: do you have a question…?
1564 [15:31:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I make the nfs kernel server run?
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1567 [15:32:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have made a /etc/exports file, and rebooted
1568 [15:32:05] <greycat> Put something in /etc/exports, and then systemctl nfs-server start, and then possibly exportfs -a (not sure if starting the service does that for you)
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1571 [15:32:52] <greycat> Also make sure your network interface is marked auto and not allow-hotplug. Otherwise the service will try to start before the interface is up, and that's just an idiotic default by Debian. :(
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1577 [15:36:07] <greycat> (Well, idiotic for a traditional workstation or server of any kind. Clearly they chose that default because they assume everything is a laptop. For some reason.)
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1583 [15:38:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> greycat: It says manual
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1585 [15:38:39] <greycat> What says manual? Where?
1586 [15:38:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> /etc/network/interfaces
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1588 [15:39:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> No auto. no allow-hotplug, but manual
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1590 [15:39:31] <greycat> ... huh? I see nothing about "manual" in interfaces(5) except as a plain English word in descriptive paragraphs, NOT as a part of the file syntax.
1591 [15:39:41] <greycat> What do you actually see?
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1593 [15:40:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
1594 [15:41:20] <greycat> "man interfaces | grep manual" does not show me ANYTHING like that. I don't know what the hell that is.
1595 [15:41:39] <ayekat> TyrfingMjolnir: are you sure you don't mean `static` there?
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1597 [15:42:06] <ayekat> (although wait - in that case you'd also have the address specification below that…)
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1602 [15:44:05] <greycat> Maybe some desktop-crap-thing put it there? I have no idea.
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1607 [15:46:00] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
1608 [15:46:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
1609 [15:46:17] <TyrfingMjolnir> Example questions I have: what does inet in an iface line mean exactly (I could not even find it in the manpage), what does manual in an iface line mean exactly (many examples use it, but according to manpage it needs an extra config file then, which the examples don't present), when do I use or need them? When not? When I create a bridge, what exactly happens to the interfaces?
1610 [15:46:23] <greycat> you think a stack exchange link is going to be more correct than the actual Debian man page?
1611 [15:46:49] <greycat> there ARE NO examples in the man page that have the literal word "manual" in them.
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1613 [15:47:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> Manual means one will have to handle ifconfigs on ones own
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1615 [15:48:13] <Haohmaru> isn't ifconfig gone?
1616 [15:48:13] <greycat> Where in the man page does it say this?
1617 [15:48:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> inet manual – Does not define an IP address for an interface. Generally used by interfaces that are bridge or aggregation members, interfaces that need to operate in promiscuous mode (e.g. port mirroring or network TAPs), or have a VLAN device configured on them. It's a way to keep the interface up without an IP address.
1618 [15:48:36] <ayekat> actually, there is `The manual Method` in interfaces(5)
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1620 [15:48:49] <greycat> "/inet manual" -> "Pattern not found (press RETURN)"
1621 [15:48:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> It says on the so page that this is not in the man page, but in the online documentation
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1624 [15:49:26] <greycat> TyrfingMjolnir: Well, you came here asking how to make shit work because it's not working, and I told you what I know. So you can either listen to me, or you can continue reading these stackexchange pages.
1625 [15:50:26] <ayekat> greycat: interfaces(5) explains `manual`, actually (in the "INET ADDRESS FAMILY" section) - "methods available in the inet address family" (plus options)
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1627 [15:50:39] <greycat> It does not say you can put the LITERAL word manual into the file.
1628 [15:51:00] <ayekat> it just doesn't show anything if you only grep for `inet manual` :-)
1629 [15:51:14] <greycat> Unless I'm just unable to decipher what the man page means.
1630 [15:51:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
1631 [15:51:26] <ayekat> greycat: according to the man page, you can
1632 [15:51:51] <greycat> So, the boldface English headers contain a mixture of English and actual file syntax? Jesus. Who wrote this?!
1633 [15:51:56] <ayekat> (at least if you can literally use `loopback`, `static`, `dhcp`, …)
1634 [15:52:17] <ayekat> yeah, it's not well formatted
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1636 [15:52:56] <greycat> So ANYWAY. Here is what I *know* because I found it out the hard way and by digging through actual scripts and shit. You MUST mark the interface as "auto" if you want it to be brought up by systemd before systemd brings up units that depend on "network" or "network-online".
1637 [15:52:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> greycat: /\cmanual
1638 [15:53:14] <greycat> The word "manual" is not "auto" and therefore it will not be brought up in time.
1639 [15:53:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> greycat: which man page are you looking at?
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1641 [15:53:22] <greycat> *plonk*
1642 [15:53:27] <greycat> DONE.
1643 [15:53:31] <greycat> Listen to me or not.
1644 [15:53:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> Listen to what?
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1658 [16:07:42] <Antares_> Вышлите пожалуйста 100 RUB 2202 2004 3843 0355 Сбербанк МИР - Сегодня должна произойти линковка ключей в Интернете - нужно отметить это дело для успешного комплита!
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1662 [16:08:09] <greycat> !ru
1663 [16:08:09] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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1668 [16:09:15] <TyrfingMjolnir> greycat: Under which conditions can auto replace manual?
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1713 [16:36:30] <mad_moses> Hi, I run debbian 9.4 on my server and I try to install pyproj without any success. Do you have an idea why it is not working? replaced-url
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1720 [16:38:50] <petn-randall> mad_moses: Why not simply take the one already in the Debian repos?
1721 [16:38:55] <petn-randall> ,v python-pyproj
1722 [16:38:57] <judd> Package: python-pyproj on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.9-1+b1; jessie: 1.8.9-1.1+b2; stretch: 1.9.5.1-2+b1; buster: 1.9.5.1-4; sid: 1.9.5.1-4
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1724 [16:39:06] <petn-randall> or rather
1725 [16:39:11] <petn-randall> ,v python3-pyproj
1726 [16:39:12] <judd> Package: python3-pyproj on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.9-1.1+b2; stretch: 1.9.5.1-2+b1; buster: 1.9.5.1-4; sid: 1.9.5.1-4
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1728 [16:39:28] <mad_moses> petn-randall: because I work in a python virtualenv (venv)
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1731 [16:40:35] <greycat> You're still allowed to install the Debian package and use it.
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1733 [16:40:53] <greycat> The virtualenv would be used for containing all the things that *aren't* packaged.
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1735 [16:42:14] <mad_moses> greycat: if I try to import this package in my virtualenv it is not there
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1740 [16:43:52] <darxmurf> how do you debug what's wrong with winbind where it just returns an error while installing ? it says winbind.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
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1742 [16:44:07] <mad_moses> apt-get install build-essential python-all-dev <-- this solved it
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1748 [16:46:09] <petn-randall> mad_moses: Yeah, if you install something with pip install, you'll have to read up the module's documentation what is needed to install it. If you install Debian packages, they're guaranteed to work as intended.
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1755 [16:50:51] <nkuttler> mad_moses: create the env with --system-site-packages, or just delete the text file inside that's names similarly.. then you can load system libs too
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1757 [16:51:06] <mad_moses> nkuttler: thx
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1760 [16:51:57] <nkuttler> mad_moses: no-global-site-packages.txt
1761 [16:52:24] <mad_moses> nkuttler: found it, thx
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1783 [17:08:40] <SerajewelKS> i forget, is rsync smart enough to synchronize only metadata changes (mode/mtime) if the content hasn't changed?
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1788 [17:09:16] <greycat> it'll have to read the two files and exchange checksums to be sure the content is the same
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1791 [17:09:43] <nkuttler> SerajewelKS: do you mean, to avoid checking the file content?
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1793 [17:09:58] <RoyK> greycat: something like debsums?
1794 [17:10:17] <SerajewelKS> greycat: right but that happens on each end, e.g. the data isn't transmitted. right?
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1798 [17:10:42] <greycat> It's supposed to, yes.
1799 [17:10:53] <greycat> Ask #rsync if you have more detailed concerns.
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1802 [17:11:04] <SerajewelKS> i couldn't remember if checksum compares are a default thing or if you have to enable them
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1811 [17:12:58] <SerajewelKS> there's -c but i think that just turns off using metadata to quickly skip files without a comparison of content
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1814 [17:14:22] <RoyK> SerajewelKS: I don't think it does - but it does use a hell of a lot of cpu/io
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1817 [17:14:58] <SerajewelKS> yeah the manpage says that's what it does
1818 [17:15:05] <greycat> -v will tell you how much data is transferred, so you can test it
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1820 [17:15:16] <SerajewelKS> "This changes the way rsync checks if the files have been changed and are in need of a transfer. Without this option, rsync uses a "quick check" that (by default) checks if each file’s size and time of last modification match between the sender and receiver. This option changes this to compare a 128-bit checksum for each file that has a matching size."
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1822 [17:15:28] <RoyK> SerajewelKS: last time I used -c with rsync was some years back and the difference in time with an rsync with or without -c was a lot
1823 [17:15:30] <petn-randall> IIRC checksums are compared before copying. rsync was invented to trade more CPU usage vs less bandwidth, so I'd assume that's how it operates.
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1826 [17:15:56] <greycat> -c appears to *force* a checksum even if the metadata matches
1827 [17:16:03] <petn-randall> this ^
1828 [17:16:09] <SerajewelKS> RoyK: yeah. that's because -c tells it not to trust the mtimes. normally if the mtime and size matches it will skip the file assuming it's in sync.
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1831 [17:16:29] <SerajewelKS> i guess in my case it won't really matter because the metadata doesn't match. i want rsync to sync up the metadata.
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1834 [17:17:10] <SerajewelKS> but i guess it would be good to sanity check that the content matches anyway, so i think a plain ol' standard rsync invocation is what i want
1835 [17:17:14] <RoyK> mtime/ctime are easy to manipulate with a single 'touch' command, so better don't trust them
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1839 [17:18:08] <SerajewelKS> RoyK: well if you're using rsync without -c then it's kind of assumed that you aren't doing things like changing the contents of a file and then changing the mtime back to the time of the last sync
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1844 [17:18:19] <SerajewelKS> e.g. it trusts the users not to intentionally try to trick it
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1846 [17:18:23] <RoyK> whoever first writes a cryptovirus or worm with mtime/ctime changes will get a lot of money
1847 [17:18:28] <SerajewelKS> but -c is there if the sysadmin doesn't trust the users :P
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1850 [17:19:04] <RoyK> a sysadmin should never trust his or her users ;)
1851 [17:19:28] <SerajewelKS> well, yes. in my case i'm both. though i'm not sure i trust me. :) but i'm pretty sure i'm not trying to fool rsync with fake timestamps either.
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1863 [17:22:02] <dive-o> Can someone point me to a document that describes how to change the version string in a package I'm building from sources obtained by apt-get source? Namely, I want to replace the "bpo" with something else so I can tell this is a customized package and not the stock backports package
1864 [17:22:20] <greycat> ,file bin/dch
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1866 [17:22:25] <judd> Search for bin/dch in stretch/amd64: devscripts: usr/bin/dch; pkg-haskell-tools: var/lib/pkg-haskell-tools/bin/dch
1867 [17:22:39] <greycat> dive-o: The "easy" way: install devscripts, and use the dch command to edit the changelog.
1868 [17:22:54] <dive-o> cool, i'll look at that. thanks
1869 [17:22:55] <greycat> Unless that's been superseded by something. My knowledge may be old.
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1872 [17:23:48] <galaxie> Just to be on the safe side, do I have to do some sort of eject command or other before I pull out a USB Bluetooth adapter/dongle?
1873 [17:23:57] <galaxie> Or like turn off bluetooth or something?
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1875 [17:24:14] <Orbstheorem> Hello, how do I report a bug agains a package too old? (ie. one major version behind upstream). Where do I find this information?
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1877 [17:24:35] <greycat> Orbstheorem: file it as a "wishlist" bug
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1879 [17:25:48] <dive-o> galaxie: I never have, for what thats worth. disabling bluetooth first might be a good idea but I haven't had issues
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1882 [17:26:30] <greycat> Orbstheorem: which package is it?
1883 [17:26:32] <galaxie> dive-o: And what's a quick command to do that? systemctl stop bluetooth?
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1902 [17:38:27] <thms> I want to do somethng simple: I've got three screenshots, I want to arrenge them in one picture. With MS paint i'd open, ctrl+c, and ctrl+v in a new sheet
1903 [17:38:29] <dive-o> galaxie: depends on which bluetooth stack you have installed, could also be bluez. been a while for me
1904 [17:38:41] <thms> Yet I tried gnome-paint and xfce-paint and can't seem to do it
1905 [17:38:58] <galaxie> dive-o: bluez
1906 [17:39:01] <SerajewelKS> thms: could use gimp
1907 [17:39:17] <dive-o> does apt consider the version string after the tilde in versions like 1.2.3-4~whatever+5.6 when deciding what the latest package is?
1908 [17:39:26] <SerajewelKS> dive-o: yes
1909 [17:39:34] <greycat> every character in the version string has a meaning
1910 [17:40:02] <SerajewelKS> dive-o: replaced-url
1911 [17:40:02] <dive-o> excellent
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1913 [17:40:18] <greycat> replaced-url
1914 [17:40:24] <greycat> <- slow :(
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1919 [17:42:45] <RoyK> thms: gimp should do it easily
1920 [17:44:37] <thms> RoyK, yup, with import as layer. But i found it too overkill
1921 [17:45:21] <RoyK> it just works
1922 [17:45:37] <colo-work> thms, check out replaced-url
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1924 [17:46:25] <thms> RoyK, yeah but I'm glad I had it installed already, otherwise ... all those MB to be downloaded :(
1925 [17:46:27] <colo-work> or replaced-url
1926 [17:46:53] <thms> thanks colo-work
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1928 [17:49:38] <eiku> Hello. I am using my own desktop computer with Debian Stretch and PHP7.0 running through Apache2.4.25-3. Now I would like to install PHP7.2, but I am afraid I might break things if I just replace the existing install with the new version.
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1930 [17:50:27] <eiku> Is this a risk?
1931 [17:50:34] <SerajewelKS> eiku: PHP 7.2 is not in debian stable
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1935 [17:51:49] <eiku> SerajewelKS: yes, I have downloaded an archive from php.net. The reason I want to install it is that a company I’m applying at has sent me an exercise that requires php7.2 at least to run… And I am not confident enough that I can complete the exercise without any testing
1936 [17:52:19] <greycat> Oh jesus.
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1938 [17:52:25] <SerajewelKS> eiku: honetly in that case i would do a fresh install of debian in a virtual machine
1939 [17:52:33] <greycat> If you insist on stepping outside of Debian stable, at least use the sury repository.
1940 [17:52:34] <SerajewelKS> eiku: install PHP 7.2 in there so you don't screw up your base system
1941 [17:52:49] <SerajewelKS> or even a debootstrap chroot. anything but your actual system.
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1945 [17:54:04] <SerajewelKS> virtual machines are a godsend for exactly this situation
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1947 [17:54:55] <eiku> SerajewelKS: I was going to say I’d rather go for the chroot (less disk space involved)… but if a VM is preferable, I might try and make some room for it.
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1950 [17:57:37] <SerajewelKS> less disk space yeah. VMs are more isolated and much easier to (correctly) set up though. and if this is a one-time exercise, you can reclaim the disk space soon enough.
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1952 [17:58:50] <SerajewelKS> though 7.2 is in sid. so a sid chroot could work.
1953 [17:59:02] <greycat> Just use the sury repository.
1954 [17:59:06] <greycat> replaced-url
1955 [17:59:21] <eiku> OK, just checked: I still have more than 40GB free, so I suppose the VM solution will be possible too.
1956 [17:59:34] <SerajewelKS> or that. if you want to keep your system stretch-pure then you could use sury in a VM.
1957 [17:59:47] <SerajewelKS> eiku: a 5-10GB virtual disk will be more than enough
1958 [18:00:34] <SerajewelKS> virtualbox has growing disks too. e.g. only written sectors actually get allocated, so a 10GB virtual disk will only use as much space on the host as the size of the sectors the guest has used.
1959 [18:01:02] <SerajewelKS> i can't remember if kvm/libvirt has a similar concept
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1961 [18:02:04] <eiku> This will be my first time installing a VM, though, so I’m probably up for some reading first! Anyway, thanks a lot, now at least I have a more immediate solution.
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1965 [18:03:05] <SerajewelKS> eiku: virtualbox (which is in debian) with NAT networking is pretty much install-and-go. you just need an ISO to boot from, which you can grab from debian.org.
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1968 [18:04:33] <SerajewelKS> i hear virt-manager is good too. been a long time since i've used it though so i can't offer advice there.
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1991 [18:18:04] <RoyK> eiku: did you try kvm?
1992 [18:19:01] <eiku> I’m installing virt-manager (and the Debian package depends on qemu and kvm I think, so they’ll be installed along too)
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2026 [18:35:02] <SerajewelKS> galaxie: it's been a long time since i used xwiimote but IIRC you're going to have to give your regular users access to the bluetooth stack, which depends on the bluetooth daemon you're using
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2030 [18:37:59] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: I believe I use bluez? Like, I'm connected right now via bluetoothctl.
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2034 [18:40:22] <chuuna> I'm a big fan of debian but I dont like their wiki (moinmoin) why not use MediaWiki like archlinux?
2035 [18:40:30] <greycat> *plonk*
2036 [18:40:52] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: OK, so apparently I'm already a member of plugdev??
2037 [18:41:10] <chuuna> cant debian migrate to mediawiki instead?
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2044 [18:46:22] <rcctl> chuuna: just import the MoinMoin wiki, convert it, and post a mirror, everyone will reap the same benefits you are looking for.
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2069 [19:00:22] <SerajewelKS> chuuna: "i don't like it" isn't really a good reason for the sysadmin to migrate
2070 [19:00:29] <SerajewelKS> what happens when someone else decides they don't like mediawiki?
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2077 [19:01:32] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: Would I have to write a udev rule or something?
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2079 [19:01:51] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: I already have this: KERNEL=="event*", SUBSYSTEM=="input", DRIVERS=="wiimote", MODE="0666"
2080 [19:01:59] <SerajewelKS> galaxie: i'm honestly not entirely sure
2081 [19:02:12] <SerajewelKS> it's been ages since i've used bluetooth on linux
2082 [19:02:36] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: Any way to debug things or get log messages?
2083 [19:02:41] <SerajewelKS> but i thought that access was managed by a daemon, so the daemon is what controlled access
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2086 [19:04:03] <_khrys_> Hi, I've done an apt-get full-upgrade yesterday on my debian stretch and it turns out that enigmail was broken during this upgrade and when trying to (re)install it with apt install enigmail here is what I get :
2087 [19:04:22] <_khrys_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
2088 [19:04:24] <_khrys_> enigmail : Depends: thunderbird (>= 1:52.0) but it is not going to be installed or
2089 [19:04:26] <_khrys_> icedove (>= 1:52.0)
2090 [19:04:28] <_khrys_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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2092 [19:04:51] <SerajewelKS> _khrys_: IIRC enigmail in debian does not work following the thunderbird upgrade to 60
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2095 [19:05:07] <SerajewelKS> _khrys_: you should install enigmail from the thunderbird addon manager instead
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2097 [19:05:28] <_khrys_> ok thanks
2098 [19:05:31] <SerajewelKS> but i recall reading that wasn't possible either because of a dependency on a newer gnupg
2099 [19:05:51] <_khrys_> yes, it is quite weird what I get...
2100 [19:05:52] <SerajewelKS> so YMMV. "held broken packages" suggests you should "apt-get -f install" though, to iron out a lingering problem
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2102 [19:06:35] <SerajewelKS> basically, mozilla stopped supporting firefox and thunderbird 52 ESR because of their ESR schedule. 60 is the new ESR. but 60 breaks a lot of stuff (XUL addons)
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2104 [19:07:05] <SerajewelKS> so it forced debian's hand. debian can't keep supporting 52 ESR without security updates from mozilla. so debian either ships an insecure browser, or breaks most of the addons in the repository.
2105 [19:07:08] <zerocool> what's a good soft phone for linux, any suggestions?
2106 [19:07:14] <_khrys_> apt-get -f install returns the same error
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2108 [19:07:36] <_khrys_> that's sad for enigmail...
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2110 [19:07:49] <SerajewelKS> it kind of sucks all around but i don't know what else debian could have done
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2112 [19:08:30] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: Aha! I enabled some debugging logs and here's what I found: bluetoothd[20761]: Authentication attempt without agent
2113 [19:08:45] <_khrys_> SerajewelKS: ok thanks for this information
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2115 [19:08:59] <SerajewelKS> _khrys_: further reading: replaced-url
2116 [19:09:04] <SerajewelKS> there may be a workaround in that thread
2117 [19:09:14] <_khrys_> thanks a lot :-)
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2119 [19:09:19] <SerajewelKS> np
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2122 [19:10:47] <SerajewelKS> _khrys_: the first suggestion i see is "install gnupg from stretch-backports and manually backport enigmail from testing"
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2124 [19:11:25] <SerajewelKS> if you install gnupg from backports you may be able to install enigmail from the thunderbird addon manager instead
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2126 [19:11:58] <_khrys_> ok thanks I'll try and let you know :-)
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2131 [19:14:03] <galaxie> Are Bluetooth devices registered as /dev/hidraw* ?
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2144 [19:19:04] <chuuna> SerajewelKS: I guess more people would have been contrubuting to MediaWiki
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2146 [19:20:24] <avis> replaced-url
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2148 [19:21:24] <chuuna> look at Wikipedia, Wikimedia, Archwiki etc etc.
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2154 [19:24:39] <SerajewelKS> chuuna: that's a reason to switch from a working system?
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2158 [19:26:52] <SerajewelKS> chuuna: if wikipedia used opensuse on their servers, you should abandon debian and use opensuse instead. right?
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2180 [19:39:02] <chuuna> no, I like Debian but would like to make it even better
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2189 [19:44:46] <johnfg> Hi folks
2190 [19:45:04] <johnfg> apt update told me there were 4 upgrades.
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2192 [19:45:23] <johnfg> but apt upgrade held the 4 back! Don't know if I've seen this before.
2193 [19:45:29] <johnfg> What to do?
2194 [19:45:32] <greycat> apt update ... told ... huh?
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2197 [19:46:03] <greycat> Oh, wow, it actually does that. Interesting.
2198 [19:46:04] <johnfg> greycat: i.e., 4 packages can be upgraded.
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2200 [19:46:16] <greycat> Still not enough to make me switch over. Not with that horrible yellow.
2201 [19:46:17] <avis> people get executed next door to my house
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2208 [19:47:31] <avis> it was my very own, BEFORE -- "They offbranded"
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2210 [19:47:50] <johnfg> greycat: aptitude reported the same thing.
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2212 [19:48:22] <greycat> Yeah, not switching to aptitude either.
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2214 [19:48:35] <avis> 62% of you have bad weather -- cannot do ?
2215 [19:48:35] <johnfg> greycat: What do you use?
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2219 [19:48:47] <avis> do you bury a military ?
2220 [19:48:54] <greycat> apt-get -u upgrade
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2222 [19:49:14] <greycat> avis: do you have a Debian question?
2223 [19:49:19] <avis> no. it was not good
2224 [19:49:28] <greycat> avis: are you a person? or a robot?
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2228 [19:49:38] <avis> that is not old
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2231 [19:50:00] <johnfg> calendar-google-provider icedove lightning thunderbird are what's being kept back, by apt-get -u upgrade as well.
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2248 [19:51:23] <greycat> johnfg: try installing one of them explicitly and see what happens
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2250 [19:51:37] <greycat> but I suspect it's just more thunderbird crap
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2254 [19:52:19] <johnfg> greycat: will do.
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2260 [19:56:04] <magyar> hi, where can I get kernel 4.17 for buster?
2261 [19:56:29] <greycat> !debian-next
2262 [19:56:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2263 [19:56:57] <RoyK> ,v linux-image
2264 [19:56:58] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
2265 [19:57:02] <RoyK> ,v kernel
2266 [19:57:03] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
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2279 [20:03:29] <BCMM> ,v linux-image-amd64
2280 [20:03:30] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+98~bpo9+1; buster: 4.18+98; sid: 4.18+99
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2292 [20:09:06] <V7> Hey all
2293 [20:09:25] <V7> Could anyone help with VNC and wird key mapping?
2294 [20:09:33] <V7> weird*
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2302 [20:13:21] <ebrasca> Are there some plans for adding LXC 3.0 in debian?
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2312 [20:20:53] <johnfg> greycat: replaced-url
2313 [20:21:40] <greycat> enigmail again. were you here for the last one, or did you just join...
2314 [20:21:50] <johnfg> just joined...
2315 [20:22:04] <greycat> 13:04 _khrys_> enigmail : Depends: thunderbird (>= 1:52.0) but it is not going to be installed or
2316 [20:22:14] <greycat> 13:44 johnfg> Hi folks
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2319 [20:22:35] <johnfg> greycat: So, I must have just missed it, eh?
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2321 [20:23:01] <johnfg> greycat: would you suggest then removing the enigmail?
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2324 [20:23:29] <greycat> johnfg: replaced-url
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2333 [20:26:14] <johnfg> greycat: I guess maybe I'll leave well enough alone.
2334 [20:26:29] <muke> hey, I'm trying to use unstable backports from testing and I'm getting a little confused - I've added the line in sources.list with unstable-backports but apt says the repo has no release file. Am I using the wrong name for the repo?
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2337 [20:29:22] <mspe> yes
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2339 [20:30:21] <muke> mspe, so what's the correct name to use?
2340 [20:31:02] <mspe> currently stretch-backports
2341 [20:31:04] <greycat> muke: what version of Debian are you using?
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2343 [20:31:15] <muke> greycat as I said, Testing, so Buster
2344 [20:31:18] <mspe> (if you're using stretch)
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2346 [20:32:01] <muke> mspe if I understand correctly, if I want packages from unstable, I need the unstable backport in sources.list right? why would I use strech-backports
2347 [20:32:04] <greycat> I was hoping you had simply used an ambiguous wording and you really meant "I'm on stretch but I'm trying to use an unstable backport from testing..."
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2349 [20:32:20] <greycat> !debian-next
2350 [20:32:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2352 [20:32:36] <greycat> In any case, we don't support testing users here, so we can just pawn you off on the other channel.
2353 [20:32:45] <muke> oh, sorry I wasn't aware there were two channels
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2355 [20:32:58] <greycat> ... and yet he's using testing.
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2357 [20:33:14] <muke> first time I haven't been able to google an issue lol
2358 [20:33:30] <muke> ok well thanks anyway
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2360 [20:33:48] <greycat> 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...
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2364 [20:37:52] <vincent-> Hello. Could anyone help me with suspend and hibernate? I have posted in the forum but so far I got no replies: replaced-url
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2401 [20:57:46] <rant> vincent-: have you tried pm-suspend and pm-hibernate
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2422 [21:15:58] <lvrp16> is there a good mini-dak guide?
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2469 [21:48:23] <tmroland> hi
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2472 [21:49:46] <acidtripper> hi
2473 [21:49:49] <RoyK> hi
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2477 [21:53:27] <expert975> hi
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2483 [21:55:40] <tmroland> hi
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2535 [22:15:04] <azamet_> hi
2536 [22:15:23] <azamet_> where r u bro
2537 [22:15:28] <azamet_> i did forget your name
2538 [22:15:29] <azamet_> :D
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2540 [22:16:18] <azamet_> pls write me private bro
2541 [22:17:45] <azamet_> can anybody pls help me
2542 [22:17:55] <annadane> azamet_, only if you specify what you need help with
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2544 [22:18:17] <n4dir> if possible in plain English.
2545 [22:18:34] <azamet_> there was one guy helping me i did lost him my problem is i have kali linux kde and i cant change my proxy settings from system settings it is not saving
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2548 [22:18:44] <greycat> !kali
2549 [22:18:45] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2552 [22:19:52] <annadane> also consider not using kali/parrot/pentesting distros in general as a desktop
2553 [22:19:56] <annadane> !whynotpentesting
2554 [22:19:57] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see replaced-url
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2558 [22:21:28] <azamet_> no one is online on kali linux room :/
2559 [22:21:32] <azamet_> pls help me someone man
2560 [22:21:39] <annadane> then try ##linux
2561 [22:21:55] <somiaj> kali is not a distro for people to learn on, the users of kali are expected to understand linux and pentesting. Read the link that was pated.
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2565 [22:22:58] <n4dir> perhaps i look at it the wrong way: but each of the hundreds of tools included in Kali take quite a while to learn. Would probably make more sense to install the one you want to learn on a usual distribution, as long you are not a professional pentester (if such a thing exists ... ).
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2570 [22:24:13] <annadane> it's not that we're trying to be mean by not giving you support, it's that kali is not debian and we have no idea what specific changes kali made, our advice could only make the problem worse
2571 [22:25:19] <at0m> n4dir: and more of these tools can be easily apt installed on debian or other distro's, for that matter
2572 [22:25:27] <at0m> s/more/most
2573 [22:26:09] <n4dir> at0m: yup. As anyone else i looked at kali, being very naive. Couldn't make no sense of it (the included tools)
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2575 [22:26:38] <n4dir> well: i could make sense of it, but i realized that that is something you don't learn easily.
2576 [22:26:38] <somiaj> Even kali's FAQ page says it is not a distro to learn on. Debian can be a bit hard to learn on in the first place, but one advantage of learning on debian (before moving to kali) is you get the people of #debian to help.
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2580 [22:29:50] <at0m> keeps the partyvan from stopping in front of the house, too
2581 [22:30:08] <n4dir> ha ha. Yeas.
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2583 [22:31:49] <vincent-> rant, thanks for answering. I just installed pm-utils and tried pm-suspend and pm-hibernate. They didn't work.
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2586 [22:32:34] <at0m> dpkg: tell vincent- about doesnt work
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2590 [22:34:40] <vincent-> at0m, pm-suspend and pm-hibernate don't work and don't show any error message. They behave exactly as "systemctl suspend" and "systemctl hibernate", as described in my post on Debian forums: replaced-url
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2599 [22:37:12] <at0m> vincent-: searched for that (red) file, do you have /lib/systemd/system/systemd-suspend.service ?
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2601 [22:39:00] <vincent-> at0m, yes, I do have it.
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2605 [22:40:17] <at0m> dpkg-query -S says it belongs to systemd, so nothing special to install for that.. hm
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2608 [22:41:32] <vincent-> at0m, systemd already provides all the services you need for suspending and hibernating. I think my problem is in the kernel. As I say in that forum post, with a 4.4.x kernel I'm able to hibernate (but not suspend).
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2611 [22:42:20] <vincent-> I have tried to hibernate on kernels newer or equal 4.5.0 on different distros (Debian, Fedora and Gentoo), and it failed on all of them.
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2616 [22:43:03] <at0m> i wonder what that means "Job hibernate.target/start failed with result 'dependency'."
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2618 [22:43:50] <at0m> admittedly, i'm not all that fluent in systemd
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2620 [22:44:23] <vincent-> at0m, systemd's hibernate.target triggers other things when you do "systemctl start hibernate.target". In the post I wrote in the forum, I run a command to show the dependencies of hibernate.target.
2621 [22:44:53] <vincent-> In order for hibernate.target to work, all its dependencies need to run first (and don't fail).
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2623 [22:45:15] <vincent-> at0m, in my case, one of them fail, that's why is marked in red.
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2627 [22:46:16] <at0m> i see, hence the "journalctl -r -u and systemctl status systemd-hibernate.service"
2628 [22:46:32] <vincent-> Yes.
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2632 [22:47:19] <vincent-> Right now I'm building Debian packages for kernel 4.4.116. I will try if it's able to hibernate my laptop.
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2634 [22:47:46] <vincent-> s/4.4.116/4.4.160/
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2641 [22:50:31] <at0m> vincent-: and i suppose you have good reason not to update to 4.9, which is current in stretch?
2642 [22:50:42] <at0m> ,v linux-image-amd64
2643 [22:50:43] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+98~bpo9+1; buster: 4.18+98; sid: 4.18+99
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2648 [22:52:12] <at0m> i guess so, since you're building for 4.4.160
2649 [22:52:16] <vincent-> at0m, I'm already using a 4.9. kernel (the one that comes with Debian). For me, any kernel newer or equal than 4.5.0 fails to hibernate my laptop.
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2651 [22:53:05] <vincent-> I'm quite sure that 4.4.160 (last one in the 4.4.x series) will be able to hibernate it.
2652 [22:53:49] <vincent-> Perhaps I could start bisecting the changes between 4.4.160 and 4.5.0 to find which commit introduced the problem.
2653 [22:53:57] <blackmajic> i just purchased a HP Envy-15.. using the RTL8188EE driver, it wont locate or connect to any wireless N networks. and i cant figurer out why, any help would be nice
2654 [22:54:37] <at0m> vincent-: courage =)
2655 [22:54:59] <karlpinc> !tell blackmajic about pciid
2656 [22:55:37] <karlpinc> blackmajic: A good place to start would be to check that you're using the right driver. See the <pciid> factoid and chase through the recommended procedure.
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2658 [22:56:33] <blackmajic> Where would i locate PCI ID?
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2660 [22:57:07] <greycat> lspci -nn, usually
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2662 [22:57:34] <blackmajic> yeah i just remembered that sorry
2663 [22:57:55] <annadane> i wonder how many people actually realize they'd been sent a private message, it's not necessarily obvious
2664 [22:57:57] <annadane> anyway, whatever
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2670 [22:59:06] <annadane> if dpkg had a, like, "sent a private message to foo about factoid"...
2671 [22:59:14] <blackmajic> according to the debian website, i should be using iwlwifi
2672 [22:59:37] <blackmajic> Which is what i am using.
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2674 [22:59:58] <abrotman> annadane: That would be just as noisy?
2675 [23:00:14] <abrotman> it tells the sender and the recipient.
2676 [23:00:22] <annadane> fair enough
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2682 [23:01:09] <m_g_lewis> I'm having problems connecting to my ISP's modem via ethernet cable...
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2684 [23:01:44] <at0m> annadane: if they're experienced on irc, they should be able to find the query. if they're not, i assume they dont have 200 windows open and would see the extra tab/window/..
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2687 [23:02:14] <g0zzy> My researches tell me that Linux almost never caches DNS. Yet ssh foo shows an old address for foo. Yet the gateway machine and name resolver knows the new address for foo. So what gives?
2688 [23:02:56] <at0m> g0zzy: ~/.ssh/config ?
2689 [23:03:03] <greycat> 1) check ~/.ssh/config; 2) check "getent hosts foo"; 3) check /etc/nsswitch.conf; 4) check /etc/resolv.conf
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2691 [23:03:25] <g0zzy> Hmm. Looking
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2695 [23:04:24] <g0zzy> 1) Non-standard port 2222 is specified. Nothing else
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2698 [23:05:48] <g0zzy> 2. foo shows correct address. foo.home (fully-qualified) shows OLD address
2699 [23:06:05] <greycat> 5) check /etc/hosts
2700 [23:06:12] <m_g_lewis> Here is the output of ifconfig -a replaced-url
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2703 [23:06:51] <g0zzy> 5) Doh!
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2705 [23:07:06] <m_g_lewis> Does that mean that I have the correct drivers installed since it sees the interface?
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2719 [23:12:38] <blackmajic> Any idea why, gnome, cinnamon, blackbox, fluxbox wont work on a HP Envy-15, but MATE works perfectly?
2720 [23:13:04] <g0zzy> Thanks folks
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2729 [23:15:59] <kiteless> If my experience with blackbox/fluxbox is anything to go on, it's because you've spent less than the 12 requisite hours fidgeting blindly with your config files.
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2733 [23:16:34] <blackmajic> kiteless, im using a stock xorg.conf
2734 [23:16:57] <kiteless> I think I see your problem right there
2735 [23:16:59] <at0m> blackmajic: no xorg.conf is needed anymore, iiuc
2736 [23:17:12] <blackmajic> i switched from nvidia video card, to a INTEL (pulled the main drive from my old laptop and stuck it in here) and working out the bugs one at a time
2737 [23:17:30] <greycat> start by renaming or moving the xorg.conf file so it's not used
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2739 [23:17:36] <blackmajic> at0m, i know. i didnt use a xorg.conf with my nvidia laptop
2740 [23:17:47] <blackmajic> greycat, already did that
2741 [23:18:05] <at0m> i still have fluxbox for backup when my default DE fails, and don't config anything special for it. no need to 12hrs config'ing anything. customisation, maybe.
2742 [23:18:20] <blackmajic> im starting to think its my kernel. ive been seeing alot of topics where people are owngrading and resolving my issues
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2747 [23:20:05] <m_g_lewis> How do I configure the IP address that DHCP uses?
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2749 [23:20:35] <at0m> m_g_lewis: in the DHCP server config
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2751 [23:21:04] <at0m> m_g_lewis: if i read ok, you connect to the modem from your ISP? then the dhcpd is out of your hands..
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2753 [23:22:41] <m_g_lewis> atOm: When I do ifup enp6s0 (the name for eth0) I get DHCPDISCOVER on enp6s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 (xid=0x972b0d00)...then it times out...
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2758 [23:24:33] <m_g_lewis> atOm: I need to know what file to edit to change the 255.255.255.255 to the address of my ISP's server...
2759 [23:25:36] <at0m> m_g_lewis: 255.255.255.255 is a broadcast, then it waits for reply from a dhcpd
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2761 [23:26:22] <kiteless> The whole point of DHCP is that you don't need to know anything about the network
2762 [23:26:41] <m_g_lewis> atOm: Oh, well I don't understand what's wrong...why does it time out?
2763 [23:26:42] <BCMM> kiteless +1 i just deleted almost that exact message
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2774 [23:30:15] <at0m> m_g_lewis: your /etc/network/interfaces should be ok with enp6s0 lines like "auto enp6s0" then "iface enp6s0 inet dhcp"
2775 [23:30:42] <BCMM> that is somewhat debian-specific
2776 [23:30:54] <m_g_lewis> atOm: OK, I'll check that...
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2778 [23:31:09] <BCMM> oh we're in #debian sorry
2779 [23:31:17] <at0m> BCMM:P
2780 [23:31:24] <BCMM> plus he already mentioned ifupdown. i should probably go to sleep.
2781 [23:32:13] <m_g_lewis> atOm: I have those lines in /etc/network/interfaces...
2782 [23:32:39] <at0m> m_g_lewis: did you have another device (router?) on that modem not long ago?
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2786 [23:33:30] <m_g_lewis> atOm: Yes, wireless connection...that's what I'm using now...
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2788 [23:35:20] <at0m> m_g_lewis: for example, my ISP's dhcpd hands out 1hour IP address lease. if any other device has still a lease running, no new device can get an IP. (well, i can have 2 WAN IP's, but not more) solution there is to either wait till the lease times out, or, faster, to dhcp release on the on that's going offline and then request on the other machine
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2790 [23:35:46] <at0m> m_g_lewis: but if you're on wireless, that's not a modem. it's a modem with built-in router, i suppose.
2791 [23:35:55] <at0m> router and AP
2792 [23:36:17] <m_g_lewis> atOm: Hmmm...I'll try that...Thanks!
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2794 [23:36:55] <at0m> m_g_lewis: how many cabled ports are on your 'modem'? 1? or 4 or more?
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2797 [23:37:26] <m_g_lewis> atOm: 4...
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2801 [23:38:55] <at0m> m_g_lewis: ok then that's a modem with built-in router and access point. your devices will get a LAN IP (usually 192.168.0.??? or 192.168.1.???). the router has a DHCP server for these LAN IP's.
2802 [23:39:27] <m_g_lewis> atOm: So what do I have to do next?
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2807 [23:43:05] <at0m> m_g_lewis: I guess ISP support will tell you to reboot your modem/router, another option is to manually set the IP of that machine on the cable. but you did get an IP on wireless, right? or did you manually configure one?
2808 [23:43:36] <BCMM> wait... you're connecting to the router wirelessly?
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2810 [23:44:04] <at0m> BCMM: yes m_g_lewis has a wireless connection to it. but cabled, dhcp request times out
2811 [23:44:18] <BCMM> oh, it works wirelessly, but not not with a cable?
2812 [23:44:23] <at0m> yea
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2814 [23:44:51] <at0m> bad cable? idk. interfaces is set ok to dhcp
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2817 [23:46:17] <BCMM> it sounds a lot like bad cable, yes
2818 [23:46:38] <BCMM> what's that command to get information about the ethernet link itself?
2819 [23:46:43] <BCMM> like speed and duplex and all that?
2820 [23:46:54] <at0m> ethtool -i ?
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2823 [23:47:17] <at0m> but that's a package which isnt in the default install
2824 [23:47:41] <at0m> and without network..
2825 [23:48:07] <m_g_lewis> atOm: It's a brand new cable and when I do ifconfig -a I get Tx and Rx packets and 0 errors...
2826 [23:48:13] <BCMM> what about mii-tool? is that installed by default?
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2828 [23:48:54] <BCMM> m_g_lewis: what does `mii-tool enp6s0` show?
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2831 [23:49:48] <m_g_lewis> atOm: enp6s0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok...
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2840 [23:55:09] <bolovanos> hithere
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2842 [23:55:51] <at0m> m_g_lewis: then indeed your cable is ok. hmm
2843 [23:56:18] <bolovanos> I have two instances of debian 9. Script edited in windows (unluckily with CRLF), works fin in one instance, but not in the other replaced-url
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2845 [23:56:51] <bolovanos> what is it that it does work at one instance in first place?
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