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19 [00:18:01] <antto> xorg 3GB "RSS" 3.5GB "VM-Size"
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21 [00:18:49] <antto> any easy way to restart this and keep all my opened programs?
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23 [00:20:10] <rant> thats what a session manager is for
24 [00:20:38] <rant> though I'm not really all too familiar with the use of them, but typically most DE come with one
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27 [00:21:02] <antto> oh, session manager
28 [00:21:14] <antto> but programs are re-started then
29 [00:21:30] <rant> I'm on MATE, and in System>Preferences>Personal>Startup Applications on the [Options] tab it has a setting to remember running apps
30 [00:21:38] <rant> yes
31 [00:21:43] <antto> i don't want that
32 [00:21:45] <rant> well technically a hibernate is a restart
33 [00:22:01] <rant> it completely powers off and reboots the kernel, but resumes with EXACTLY the same memory state
34 [00:22:13] <antto> then that won't help
35 [00:22:19] <rant> afaik there is nothing between the two
36 [00:22:24] <rant> nor could there be
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38 [00:22:32] <rant> either you're retaining state or you arent
39 [00:22:36] <rant> you can't have it both ways :P
40 [00:23:04] <rant> if you wanna have your cake and eat it too, you gotta have at least two cakes
41 [00:23:05] <antto> i think firefox is "sh*tting its pants" when i browse imgur for too long, and Xorg kinda receives a good portion of that "sh*t"
42 [00:23:23] <antto> i killed firefox, but.. i guess i gotta reboot the whole thing
43 [00:23:40] <rant> idk
44 [00:24:01] <rant> you may want to look into memory management.. how to flush cache, disks, etc
45 [00:24:08] <rant> there are even sysrq commands for much of that
46 [00:24:19] <rant> as well as shell commands
47 [00:24:32] <rant> that'd get you many of the benefits of a reboot without a reboot
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146 [02:17:34] <m_g_lewis> How do I find the version of Debian I'm running?
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151 [02:22:00] <awal1> lsb_release -a
152 [02:23:05] <awal1> m_g_lewis
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155 [02:26:12] <m_g_lewis> awal1: That gives me the Linux Mint version...I need the kernel version...
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158 [02:27:37] <csmall> uname -a?
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160 [02:28:49] <m_g_lewis> csmail: Thanks, that worked...
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164 [02:35:09] <csmall> m_g_lewis: Nice. I didn't see your original question but I thought that might be what you were looking for.
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278 [05:06:08] <velix> Can I make apt to download all packaged needed ?
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282 [05:10:06] <themill> needed for what? yes, apt downloads packages for you when you install things
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299 [05:40:25] <velix> themill: I want to install a LEMP in a DMZ.
300 [05:40:33] <velix> themill: which doesn't have internet access
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302 [05:43:19] <themill> velix: the simplest approach to that is to use a proxy like apt-cacher-ng to provide access. Failing that, tools like apt-offline
303 [05:43:33] <velix> thanks!
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305 [05:43:50] <themill> using the proxy makes doing updates easier
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307 [05:45:03] <velix> themill: Yeah, I understand this.
308 [05:45:12] <velix> I used it in the past for chroots (to save some bandwidth)
309 [05:45:36] <themill> :)
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311 [05:46:42] <SerajewelKS> i have a two-disk raid0, where the raid0 is part of a raid1. i may have to replace one of the disks in the raid0. is there a more efficient way to perform the resync given that only one of the disks in the raid0 needs to be replaced?
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313 [05:47:17] <SerajewelKS> or should i just do whe whole shebang? fail the raid0 out, destroy it, recreate a new raid0 with the working + replaced disk, add that to the raid1 and let it resync?
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317 [05:48:44] <SerajewelKS> would it work to fail the raid0 from the raid1, stop the raid0, then dd from the old disk to the replacement disk, reactivate the raid0, re-add the raid0 to the raid1 and let the write intent bitmap catch the raid0 up?
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400 [08:03:11] <velix> I don't know how to use apt-offline...
401 [08:03:16] <velix> I can't select the packages to download
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528 [09:25:29] <jelly> SerajewelKS, that might work but do you seriously want to risk some of your data to save on waiting a couple hours for rebuild?
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536 [09:28:25] <gkgk> pongo
537 [09:28:32] <pongo> hm tell
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542 [09:32:38] <jelly> !qotd0
543 [09:32:38] <dpkg> < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that.
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568 [09:46:16] <pongo1> hii
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572 [09:48:45] <jelly> yes, hi pongo
573 [09:48:48] <jelly> !ask
574 [09:48:48] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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691 [11:22:55] <turambar> hi. i have a question regarding the dummy module in buster. before when the system booted, it had "dummy" module loaded automatically and also automatically brought up dummy0 as an interface. now when moving to buster, dummy is loaded but the interface dummy0 does not come up automatically. i can of course add the interface manually and have to put it into state "up" but i want to have it brought up
692 [11:22:56] <turambar> automaticall
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698 [11:33:22] <Fox> !debian-next
699 [11:33:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
700 [11:33:35] <Fox> turambar: ^
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787 [12:49:42] <qzio_> Hellu, I wonder what have happened to the wireguard package in sid, it's there on replaced-url
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789 [12:50:18] <qzio_> well, my question is rather, How would I debug this further and potentially create a issue in a bug tracker somewhere.
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803 [13:03:05] <nyov> qzio_: perhaps you should elaborate on the "can't install" part?
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809 [13:03:44] <peaceguy> hello
810 [13:03:45] <peaceguy> people
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813 [13:05:33] <RoyK> hi
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815 [13:05:46] <peaceguy> hi RoyK
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818 [13:07:38] <qzio_> nyov: the package can't be found when I `apt-get install wireguard` wireguard-tools can be found, but not wiregurad or wireguard-dkms even though they are listed and are in the Contents-amd64.gz file
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821 [13:08:11] <peaceguy> can you run
822 [13:08:15] <peaceguy> wireguard?
823 [13:09:31] <nyov> qzio_: a new version was just uploaded to unstable, did you `apt-get update` before trying to install it?
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826 [13:10:49] <qzio_> peaceguy: yes.
827 [13:10:59] <peaceguy> ok
828 [13:11:18] <peaceguy> the programs are in that package
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830 [13:11:21] <peaceguy> so you can run them
831 [13:11:25] <qzio_> peaceguy: I can install wireguard-tools which gives me the wg/wg-quick CLI commands, but when I point'em at a configuration they just say Unable to access interface: Protocol not supported
832 [13:12:16] <peaceguy> can you load the kernel module for wg?
833 [13:12:23] <qzio_> nyov: did `apt update` just now, still same issue, maybe it's just the syncing of mirrors that I'm waiting for then/
834 [13:12:24] <laughingtiger> hi, I finally solved my sound problem. guess what, it's the infamous windows again.
835 [13:12:44] <nyov> looks like the -tools package is newer than the other two atm.
836 [13:12:46] <qzio_> peaceguy: I can't install wireguard-dkms so...? the module is usually loaded automatically
837 [13:12:51] <peaceguy> i need to copy my home dir lol
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840 [13:13:21] <peaceguy> yes maybe you should wait
841 [13:13:24] <peaceguy> and install later
842 [13:13:42] <laughingtiger> debian works fine from the beginning. windows 10 hijacked the bios, or the hardware resouces. I have to completely power off the goddamn windows, then debian has sound.
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846 [13:14:03] <laughingtiger> thought I have to tell.
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849 [13:14:34] <nyov> crazy hardware
850 [13:14:57] <peaceguy> people
851 [13:15:04] <peaceguy> sorry i couln't manage it yesterday
852 [13:15:15] <peaceguy> what does a proper crypttab entry look like?
853 [13:15:32] <peaceguy> i want to use my existing encrypted partition as home
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855 [13:15:54] <laughingtiger> I really don't get it why this piece of junk still exists, during the confusing time, I played videos under windows, man it never stopped buffering, because windows 10 never stops updating itself, and it took forever to finish it. it was a pain in the ass experience, took the fun away totally from watching videos.
856 [13:16:32] <kopper> peaceguy: replaced-url
857 [13:16:42] <peaceguy> thank you kopper
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860 [13:17:20] <nyov> qzio_: you can grab the older wirguard package version from here: replaced-url
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862 [13:17:48] <nyov> make sure you grab the ones for your arch, though
863 [13:17:58] <kopper> laughingtiger: You watched videos on virtual windows?
864 [13:18:17] <laughingtiger> kopper, what? no, under real windows.
865 [13:18:42] <kopper> Aha
866 [13:18:48] <kopper> I think I don't get what you're on about
867 [13:18:54] <peaceguy> but
868 [13:19:04] <peaceguy> how am i supposed to know which of these parameters i do need
869 [13:19:06] <peaceguy> for my entry
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871 [13:19:24] <peaceguy> i might overlook something
872 [13:19:27] <laughingtiger> like the windows windows, the only reason I kept it is because it's a genuine version, like it matters.
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874 [13:19:30] <kopper> peaceguy: YOu have only encrypted home folder? Not root?
875 [13:19:35] <peaceguy> yes
876 [13:19:39] <peaceguy> root is not encrypted
877 [13:19:44] <peaceguy> only existing home partition
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879 [13:20:20] <kopper> Have you setup a key to automount it on boot?
880 [13:20:34] <peaceguy> yes i set up the key
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882 [13:21:51] <peaceguy> i heard
883 [13:21:56] <kopper> So you're crypttab entry should be something like this "<home_folder_partition> UUID=<home folder UUID> <path to key> luks"
884 [13:22:01] <peaceguy> i need entry in /etc/fstab and in crypttab
885 [13:22:19] <peaceguy> ok so folder = mount point
886 [13:22:20] <peaceguy> ?
887 [13:22:25] <peaceguy> path to key?
888 [13:22:28] <kopper> replaced-url
889 [13:22:34] <kopper> You can use that
890 [13:22:37] <peaceguy> ok thank you
891 [13:22:45] <blackflow> the first param in crypttab is arbitrary mapper name
892 [13:23:00] <peaceguy> /dev/sdx
893 [13:23:01] <blackflow> you use /dev/mapper/<that name> to mount the fs after LUKS unlocks
894 [13:23:15] <peaceguy> how do check
895 [13:23:17] <peaceguy> /dev/mapper
896 [13:23:18] <peaceguy> ?
897 [13:23:20] <peaceguy> what is it?
898 [13:23:28] <HicksD> is there any point having encrypted home if you're automounting via key ? Or is your key stored on something removable like usb stick?
899 [13:23:30] <peaceguy> how to check what file is it in /dev/mapper?
900 [13:23:32] <blackflow> it's where dm-* puts mapper devices
901 [13:23:43] <blackflow> peaceguy: it's wathever you define as first param of crypttab
902 [13:23:50] <peaceguy> ok
903 [13:23:56] <peaceguy> no the key is not stored
904 [13:23:58] <peaceguy> externally
905 [13:24:02] <kopper> HicksD: It helps if you're machine is shut down when you don't use it.
906 [13:24:05] <peaceguy> no man no
907 [13:24:08] <peaceguy> no HicksD
908 [13:24:09] <peaceguy> no
909 [13:24:11] <blackflow> you can name it "enc_home" for example, and then afetr LUKS unlocks, the unlocked block device will be /dev/mapper/enc_home which you use in fstab to mount /home from
910 [13:24:13] <kopper> Though the key is in unencrypted volume
911 [13:24:15] <peaceguy> i don't want to automount
912 [13:24:23] <peaceguy> i want to use the existing partition
913 [13:24:25] <peaceguy> as home
914 [13:24:28] <HicksD> kopper: it wouldn't if the key is on the root ;) but if it's external, that's fine, just checking :)
915 [13:24:29] <peaceguy> and not /home
916 [13:24:32] <blackflow> peaceguy: please don't hit ENTER so much
917 [13:24:35] <peaceguy> sorry
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920 [13:25:05] <peaceguy> i don't want to automount
921 [13:25:19] <peaceguy> i reinstalled so that home is in / partition
922 [13:25:27] <peaceguy> and i want to use existing home as home
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924 [13:25:37] <blackflow> you're hitting enter again...
925 [13:25:41] <peaceguy> so when i do cd ~ it goes to home
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927 [13:25:50] <peaceguy> i'm explaining
928 [13:26:05] <blackflow> explain it in one nice sentence
929 [13:26:31] <peaceguy> i reinstalled debian so that home is in root partition. i need to use the existing home partition as home
930 [13:26:54] <HicksD> out of interest, was there a reason you decided against encrypted root too?
931 [13:27:14] <peaceguy> i didn't need it so much
932 [13:27:17] <blackflow> you mean /home is not a mountpoint. Okay. and now you want to mount another partition, under /home ?
933 [13:27:30] <HicksD> it just makes thing simpler since installer can auto set everything up for you then
934 [13:27:43] <peaceguy> but i needed custom partition sizes
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936 [13:27:52] <HicksD> you can change partitions too during install
937 [13:27:55] <blackflow> just one point of observation... if you autounlock with a key that's not encrypted, what's the point of encrypting it at all?
938 [13:28:02] <peaceguy> bananas: if that would make the existing one act as home, then yes
939 [13:28:15] <HicksD> and if you wanted have home on separate encrypted volume that is auto mounted via passwordless key stored in the encrypted root.
940 [13:28:17] <peaceguy> no bananas
941 [13:28:23] <peaceguy> i want to use it, not automount
942 [13:28:54] <HicksD> what I mean is, once you have encrypted root, you could automount without issue, rather than having to manually do so each boot.
943 [13:29:03] <peaceguy> you misunderstood, i dont want to automount it i want it to be considered home by the system, so when i do cd ~ it goes there, it's mounted as home
944 [13:29:13] <blackflow> Here's a suggestion, as i've totally lost you and what the problem is. Can you please go back and explain in as few but informative posts, what exactly is the problem you want to solve?
945 [13:29:15] <peaceguy> ok
946 [13:29:16] <kopper> blackflow: There's no point, though I don't think it's the only thing to consider here. One being that not mounting home during boot might breaks stuff that relies on conf files in /home
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948 [13:29:53] <HicksD> you'll have issues with login for any user who has /home until you mount the home too, so you'd have to login as root, mount encrypted home, then login as regular users
949 [13:29:54] <blackflow> kopper: depends on when in the boot process it unlocks. typically it should be done before user logs in as their home dir is not touched until then.
950 [13:30:04] <peaceguy> in installer if i check use this partition as home, will that partition be formatted?
951 [13:30:18] <blackflow> peaceguy: the installer has a checkbox for that
952 [13:30:28] <kopper> blackflow: doesn't option "none luks" in crypttab do that? Ask password during boot?
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954 [13:30:31] <peaceguy> the partition gets an "f"
955 [13:30:40] <HicksD> plus encrypted root avoids issues with any information leaks due to log files, swap usage etc
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957 [13:30:44] <blackflow> kopper: yes, but a keyfile was mentioned earlier, so I observed :)
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960 [13:30:58] <HicksD> I mean, if you have no _real_ reason not to encrypt root, it would just make things easier all around on you to do so.
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962 [13:31:04] <peaceguy> could i encrypt root and still have custom partitions
963 [13:31:07] <blackflow> I'd just go (and I do) with FDE and encrypted root. least hassle, max protection of DATA AT REST.
964 [13:31:07] <HicksD> yes
965 [13:31:12] <kopper> blackflow: Yeah i know, I was expecting him to want automount and I didn't think all corners
966 [13:31:24] <HicksD> there's an option in the installer, I've not used it as I tend to go with one huge partition these days
967 [13:31:38] <HicksD> but you can do encrypted with various options and check partitons yourself
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972 [13:33:26] <peaceguy> ok thank you
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974 [13:33:43] <peaceguy> i will now move contents of that partition to another one, format it and bring back the data
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982 [13:40:22] <warai_otoko> could you please tell me what is wrong with this line in sources.list: deb replaced-url
983 [13:40:55] <peaceguy> firstly: contrib non-free
984 [13:40:57] <peaceguy> lol
985 [13:41:05] <warai_otoko> when running apt-get update it says can't find the source because this line is invalid -.-
986 [13:41:29] <peaceguy> for source use deb-src
987 [13:41:58] <warai_otoko> deb-src is also in there and is identical
988 [13:42:32] <peaceguy> maybe the url
989 [13:42:39] <peaceguy> i don't know about their url structure
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991 [13:43:25] <blackflow> why is contrib non-free a lol?
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993 [13:43:46] <peaceguy> sorry
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996 [13:45:05] <blackflow> warai_otoko: the correct URL is replaced-url
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1010 [13:51:13] <peaceguy> tar -cvf mnt/home.tar /media/home
1011 [13:51:21] <peaceguy> then just reinstall and extract it
1012 [13:51:24] <peaceguy> simple as that :D
1013 [13:52:05] <blackflow> a bit slow, but yeah, it works
1014 [13:52:23] <peaceguy> i done it, seems more straightforward
1015 [13:52:26] <peaceguy> i archived
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1017 [13:52:38] <versuchsanstalt> What's the rationale for /boot/grub/grub.cfg being set to 0444 by what's happening during apt-get upgrade linux-image?
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1019 [13:53:14] <versuchsanstalt> I've had mine set to 0400 and the upgrade process reverted it to 0444
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1023 [13:56:34] <blackflow> versuchsanstalt: I'd ask the question the other way around, what's the rationale of 400. it's not as if it contains info that shouldn't be readable to the root group and others, right?
1024 [13:58:36] <versuchsanstalt> blackflow: that's an excellent question.
1025 [13:58:49] <versuchsanstalt> My personal rationale is to accomodate auditors
1026 [13:59:50] <versuchsanstalt> and i'm trying to find out a process to make stuff easy for me while the audit process doesn't make ding ding.
1027 [14:00:01] <blackflow> fix the audit process.
1028 [14:00:44] <versuchsanstalt> I wouldn't care for ug, the only real question would be others actually.
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1031 [14:03:37] <versuchsanstalt> Why (as in: how) does the file end up being 0444 after the upgrade process? Would there be an elegant way to make future upgrades end up with it being 0400?
1032 [14:04:05] <jelly> it's likely grub-mkconfig / update-grub recreates it that way
1033 [14:04:08] <versuchsanstalt> An interesting side effect of these questions being answered would be a better understanding of the upgrade process for me, which I'd appreciate.
1034 [14:04:26] <jelly> versuchsanstalt: just run update-grub to confirm
1035 [14:04:30] <versuchsanstalt> jelly: thank you for the pointer.
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1062 [14:15:14] <versuchsanstalt> jelly: I just saw that, yes. Thank you again. You got me reading through a whole lot of shell scripts, that's great.
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1090 [14:25:59] <awilkins> Have the Jessie repositories gone offline now?
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1092 [14:26:40] <jelly> awilkins: no
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1095 [14:28:17] <awilkins> Having trouble with a docker container build that fetches package updates
1096 [14:28:28] <awilkins> Might be a DNS issue
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1098 [14:29:43] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1099 [14:29:43] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1107 [14:34:44] <RoyK> jelly++
1108 [14:37:16] <jelly> awilkins: that's applicable to apt-get update, too ^
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1113 [14:37:51] <awilkins> Ta jelly, think it's the docker container having no access to DNS though - perennial problem on Ubuntu esp. 18.04
1114 [14:38:28] <jelly> but you wouldn't ask here if your container was using ubuntu
1115 [14:38:42] * jelly points at the name of the channel
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1117 [14:39:29] <awilkins> Container is debian
1118 [14:39:51] <awilkins> But I apologize for the misplaced question (although AFAIK this will affect any systemd using distro)
1119 [14:40:00] <awilkins> (being used as the docker host)
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1122 [14:40:51] <jelly> if it's debian it's not misplaced, but if there's an issue with a non-debian host you'd have to figure that out separately
1123 [14:41:29] <awilkins> Yup. The repo is def. visible from the host so it's the container's DNS problem
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1125 [14:42:26] <awilkins> It's really docker's problem ... it's more easily fixable with dnsmasq because you can coax it into listening to extra addresses bt with systemd the only solution I've found so far is... to re-enable dnsmasq and disable the systemd stub resolver
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1148 [14:57:18] <RoyK> awilkins: conainer as in lxc?
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1157 [15:01:01] <bites> they said it's a docker container.
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1174 [15:15:31] <colo-work> what's the preferred piece of infrastructure these days to put a server machine into the "performance" CPU governor mode? (running Jessie and upwards)
1175 [15:15:46] <colo-work> Or will i just deplay a custom shellscript that iterates over sysfs nodes?
1176 [15:16:19] <petn-randall> colo-work: Do you have real-time applications that justify this? Otherwise the default "ondemand" will give you identical performance.
1177 [15:17:43] <colo-work> petn-randall, on our machines, there's only "performance" and "powersave" available, and the default of "powersave" yields ~30% worse performance for our workload
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1180 [15:18:02] <colo-work> (Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v3 CPUs with Linux 4.9)
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1188 [15:21:16] <HicksD> cpupower frequency-set -g govname
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1190 [15:21:43] <HicksD> there's a way to make a gov the default too but I don't recall what file it is
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1192 [15:23:28] <HicksD> I've been using the schedutil governer, not sure when that became available but it works a little better than ondemand for me
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1195 [15:24:40] <Fox> petn-randall: petn-randall did you get rid of your problem with iodine and unbound ?
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1198 [15:25:37] <colo-work> "Need to get 1157 kB of archives"
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1200 [15:25:50] <colo-work> for a thingie that will echo a fixed string into a handfull of files
1201 [15:26:05] <HicksD> it has a few utils
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1203 [15:27:45] <colo-work> yeah, I'm just not sure I'll need them :)
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1218 [15:42:51] <petn-randall> Fox: I just set both interfaces directly for both daemons, yes.
1219 [15:43:10] <Fox> ok
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1249 [15:58:44] <han-solo> ip tun s # should show all the gre tunnels created, right ?
1250 [15:59:01] <han-solo> and, ip tuntap s # should show the respective others ?
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1286 [16:19:13] <Belliash_> hello, I got problem with apt-get ... when I try to run apt-get update I got the following error: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status
1287 [16:19:18] <Belliash_> Any ideas how to fix that?
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1290 [16:20:25] <han-solo> First hit from google, replaced-url
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1293 [16:21:01] <Belliash_> there is no status-old and nothing in /var/backups
1294 [16:21:17] <Belliash_> cannot overwrite this file, as there is no alternative
1295 [16:22:13] <babilen> dpkg: status-recovery
1296 [16:22:13] <dpkg> If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;;
1297 [16:22:50] <babilen> Belliash_: Also check your own backups for /var/backup contents
1298 [16:23:33] <babilen> Also what does "apt-cache policy apt" give you? → replaced-url
1299 [16:23:59] <Belliash_> replaced-url
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1301 [16:24:32] <jelly> Belliash_: how old is this installation? /var/backups/ is usually full of old stuff
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1303 [16:24:50] <Belliash_> replaced-url
1304 [16:25:04] <Belliash_> it is brand new ... I cannot find help anywhere with apt-get
1305 [16:25:19] <babilen> Doesn't look like Debian
1306 [16:25:25] <babilen> dpkg: raspbian
1307 [16:25:25] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1308 [16:25:31] <babilen> dpkg: very fubar status file
1309 [16:25:31] <dpkg> ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first
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1312 [16:26:00] <babilen> Belliash_: You might want to figure out what is going wrong with that one-liner .. Maybe execute it step-by-step and take it from there?
1313 [16:26:15] <babilen> If you require specific help then #raspbian is the place to go
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1316 [16:26:25] <Belliash_> Noone on #raspbian know why this is not working
1317 [16:26:28] <jelly> Belliash_: it looks very broken for some reason or other, if you don't have any data to salvage, reinstall
1318 [16:26:37] <Belliash_> this is fresh installation
1319 [16:26:38] <babilen> I've never had to recover those as /var/backups always sufficed
1320 [16:26:44] <babilen> Might just want to reinstall then
1321 [16:26:51] <babilen> Definitely easier
1322 [16:26:58] <Belliash_> thats what I already tried
1323 [16:27:09] <Belliash_> I thought this can be fixed somehow
1324 [16:27:30] <jelly> in this case, it's not worth the trouble
1325 [16:28:06] <Belliash_> I see, but how many times can I write fresh image to SD card? always got same problem
1326 [16:28:17] <jelly> might want to look at "dmesg" for errors and verify your hard disk is not broken
1327 [16:28:46] <babilen> Also look into the actual contents of your status file .. maybe something obvious meets the eye
1328 [16:28:54] <babilen> Still .. #raspbian
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1330 [16:29:25] <Belliash_> when I open it with nano it contains just ^@^@^@^@ and so on
1331 [16:29:38] <Belliash_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 424579 Jun 27 00:30 /var/lib/dpkg/status
1332 [16:30:05] <jelly> that sounds like a corrupted file or filesystem or bad media
1333 [16:31:01] <linuxthefish> hey, I have windows 8.1 on this laptop and it's bitlocker encrypted, will I have any problems resizing the windows partition and installing debian?
1334 [16:31:19] <linuxthefish> I'm not really a windows guy so I'm not sure if it will break upon being resized
1335 [16:31:35] <n4dir> as long you want to resize it to 0 ...
1336 [16:31:42] <linuxthefish> nooo n4dir
1337 [16:31:50] <jelly> linuxthefish: do you have backups?
1338 [16:32:16] <linuxthefish> jelly: not a backuo of an image of the partition, just important files
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1340 [16:33:07] <jelly> I have no idea how bitlocker works and I would not bet debian-installer was able to shrink such a filesystem
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1342 [16:33:29] <linuxthefish> yeah it didn't give me options for shrinking it, I'll try to disable bitlocker first
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1344 [16:34:12] <linuxthefish> the ideal situation would be bitlocker encrypted windows and luks encrypted debian, with luks encrypted external drive
1345 [16:34:19] <linuxthefish> before I go back to the UK
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1350 [16:34:53] <jelly> if you have an external drive, you might just install debian there
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1352 [16:35:13] <linuxthefish> jelly it's USB2 so it would be painfully slow
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1355 [16:36:05] <linuxthefish> I'll just image the whole disk then try installing debian and re-enable bitlocker, thanks for your help guys
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1360 [16:38:20] <linuxthefish> and I have power cuts every hour, so running off an external drive powered externally wouldn't work well
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1364 [16:38:43] <linuxthefish> I do have another recovery external drive with debian on if things go wrong :D
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1427 [17:19:32] <jhutchins_wk> linuxthefish: I know that one of the more recent releases of Windows included disk resizing capabilities - took a little while for Linux to get the ability to manage newer Windows partitions.
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1460 [17:38:06] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: windows' support for resizig things isn't really optimal to say it mildly
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1464 [17:41:36] <jelly> it doesn't have to be optimal, just good enough to shrink its own ntfs and the partition (and wherever bitlocker comes in)
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1475 [17:49:00] <phogg> Are there any Debian packages for strasis at this point? Or am I in a 'build it yourself' situation?
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1477 [17:49:21] <Donatas> clear
1478 [17:50:52] <Donatas> Anyone know whats the situation with intel hd 3000 family drivers and eye strain issues? Any known workable solutions ?
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1503 [18:10:29] <petn-randall> Donatas: Care to be more specific?
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1505 [18:10:47] <petn-randall> Donatas: How is the eye strain caused by the GPU?
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1530 [18:21:34] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: Strasis looks like proprietary third-party software.
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1534 [18:22:10] <Donatas> Yes, it must be GPU issue, since there are plenty of posts within intel website by literaly many linux users who use intel HD gpu drivers. Do not know exacly which models it does affect, but as far as I'm aware it affects quite a wide range. There is also a petition to intel to fix the issue, but not solutions yet.
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1537 [18:23:14] <Donatas> the issue is severe eye strain noticible very quickly, for example after switching from windows 10 os
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1540 [18:24:13] <Donatas> its not related to color, or brightness for sure. Some suggests its pwm backlight brequency issue, but intel-gpu-tools altough allow to set specific frequency, about 80 percent of users report that it does't solve anything
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1542 [18:25:32] <Donatas> ref. replaced-url
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1571 [18:40:00] <petn-randall> Donatas: I've seen a lot of handwaving, but not yet seen what the issue is supposed to be. I've been using Intel HD video for years now and have not noticed any issues that cause the vague term "eye strain".
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1574 [18:42:57] <petn-randall> Donatas: Also further down there's a link to their response, and they've contracted a 3rd party to measure the two affected devices, and have not found any differences: replaced-url
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1579 [18:43:16] <petn-randall> So my suspicion that there's a lot of FUD involved seems to be true.
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1601 [18:54:22] <warai_otoko> dpkg: whoami
1602 [18:54:22] <dpkg> you're warai_otoko you donkey!
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1620 [19:08:35] <jelly> dpkg, behave
1621 [19:08:36] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, jelly
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1633 [19:18:09] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: It's not proprietary. See replaced-url
1634 [19:18:51] <mason> Yeah, the goal of Stratis will be inclusion upstream.
1635 [19:19:11] <mason> Mostly because of CDDL FUD, but either way.
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1637 [19:19:21] <phogg> I may have typo'd it when I wrote my original message, which does not help.
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1639 [19:20:00] <mason> phogg: Unless things have changed, the bits that will make Stratis a potential stand-in for ZFS are still on the drawing board.
1640 [19:20:13] <phogg> It's an interesting idea, but it seems hard to play with right now
1641 [19:20:43] <mason> I like that the design honors layer boundaries while still achieving a self-healing capability.
1642 [19:20:59] <phogg> Yeah. And the part where they chose XFS on top shows good sense.
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1648 [19:23:22] <_Vi> Is there some mnemonic for "build-essential" package name? I keep on forgetting and trying something like "building_essentials" all the time.
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1651 [19:23:53] <mason> _Vi: Puppet or Ansible or similar. :)
1652 [19:24:00] <greycat> For starters, _ is not legal in a package name.
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1654 [19:24:36] <_Vi> greycat, Yes, I remembered that after googling (and trying `build_essential`, `building_essential`, `build_essentials`).
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1659 [19:25:17] <_Vi> Maybe apt can warn about `_` if encountered in package name?
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1670 [19:29:20] <greycat> I guess you could file a wishlist bug for it.
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1673 [19:30:27] <greycat> It already appears to be doing content analysis of the string you supply, to guess whether it's a regex or a glob or a straight package name, so further lexical analysis to determine "this can't be a package name" should be conceivable.
1674 [19:31:11] <greycat> 'bash^sdf' -> "Couldn't find any package by regex" 'bash!sdf' -> "Couldn't find any package by glob"
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1686 [19:37:41] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: replaced-url
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1688 [19:37:51] <jhutchins_wk> .
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1690 [19:38:09] <jhutchins_wk> Ping
1691 [19:38:25] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry, stuck scrollbuffer.
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1694 [19:39:56] <jhutchins_wk> I hate it when developers think it doesn't matter if a project name is already in use as long as it's something different.
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1696 [19:40:40] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: Ah, stratis makes much better sense as a storage project, sorry, missed your update.
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1701 [19:44:25] <bolovanos> hithere - connecting to debian stretch from windows 10 using putty 0.70. I have problem with key misinterpretations. With terminal-type string "xterm", Home, End prints ~, instead of expected function
1702 [19:44:43] <greycat> This is why vi was invented.
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1704 [19:45:01] <bolovanos> with terminal-type string "linux" Home and End works, but F1-n does not work
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1706 [19:45:10] <greycat> Different terminals have WILDLY different behaviors, so vi just said "screw all that, I'm only going to use letters, ESC and Ctrl-letters."
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1708 [19:45:52] <greycat> Oh, and numbers for repeat counts and so on.
1709 [19:45:57] <bolovanos> greycat, is there any other compromise (like redefining key bindings?)
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1711 [19:46:11] <RoyK> greycat: or set -o vi and you're game ;)
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1715 [19:46:29] <greycat> Sure, there's 40 years of stuff in that gist. What is the PRECISE thing you are trying to do? What key in what context in what program?
1716 [19:46:32] <annadane> anyone have any good tricks for coloring the root prompt different from the unprivileged user?
1717 [19:46:39] <jelly> bolovanos: if your terminal is putty, use TERM=putty
1718 [19:46:44] <annadane> i guess i could also internet search
1719 [19:46:55] <jelly> don't lie to the poor terminfo library
1720 [19:47:30] <jelly> ls -la /usr/share/terminfo/p/putty*
1721 [19:47:31] <RoyK> annadane: i guess altering .bashrc to enable ls colouring would help
1722 [19:47:33] <greycat> I suspect the putty client's terminal emulator has a few different modes, so make sure you put it in the mode that TERM=putty expects.
1723 [19:47:42] <bolovanos> jelly, thank you!
1724 [19:48:00] <greycat> RoyK: ls coloring and the prompt have nothing to do with each other
1725 [19:48:06] <jelly> (note there are variations that do something with "fnkeys" as well)
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1727 [19:48:19] <RoyK> greycat: then alter PS1
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1730 [19:48:47] <RoyK> not hard
1731 [19:49:01] <annadane> for /root/.bashrc i guess
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1735 [19:49:25] <RoyK> yes
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1737 [19:49:42] <greycat> Don't forget to put literal \[ \] around the bytes of the coloring and sgr0 sequences.
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1742 [19:53:36] <n4dir> i worked around the coloring root's PS problem choosing a different approach PS1="ROOT# " iirc exit'ing root kept the colored PS1 for the user. too long ago, and i probably simply did it wrong ...
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1745 [19:54:08] <greycat>
1746 [19:54:12] <greycat> replaced-url
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1758 [20:00:33] <jelly> oh, it's like zsh %{ %}
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1761 [20:03:22] <m_g_lewis> Where do I get help for Knoppix?
1762 [20:03:41] <greycat> !knoppix
1763 [20:03:42] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
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1765 [20:04:25] <greycat> three users in their channel, confirming my suspicion that it's basically no longer a thing
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1769 [20:05:48] <ashleyk> how do you remove systemd
1770 [20:06:01] <zleap> erm
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1772 [20:06:15] <zleap> you could install devuan, which is debian minus systemd
1773 [20:06:16] <ashleyk> linode doesnt have devuan images
1774 [20:06:19] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
1775 [20:06:19] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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1777 [20:06:38] <zleap> ohh thanks
1778 [20:06:49] <ashleyk> greycat, thanks, im going to try that now
1779 [20:06:58] <ashleyk> stretch = debian 9, right ?
1780 [20:07:02] <jelly> right
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1782 [20:07:42] <jelly> well it's better if you install devuan, since then you get to ask questions in THEIR channel not here :-)
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1784 [20:08:49] <ashleyk> debian is more than just forcing systemd on people, as indicated by the dpkg answer above, which is nice
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1786 [20:09:51] <greycat> *sigh*
1787 [20:10:08] <greycat> Please don't troll us with this. We're very tired of it.
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1790 [20:10:36] <zleap> i will just stick to sysd, not really had any issues with it, sure it is a learning curve but i am guessing users have more control over things.
1791 [20:10:44] <zleap> just a case of getting on with using it
1792 [20:10:50] <ashleyk> who is us and we? what i said wasnt a troll, but i guess if i ignored jelly's troll
1793 [20:11:07] <blackflow> YAWN
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1795 [20:12:01] <zleap> i think jelly was suggesting installing devuan will give you a sysv system, rather than trying to go from sysd to sysd which may have issues, if you have some specific setup that may be tied in to sysd too much
1796 [20:12:05] <n4dir> jelly: why not ask here? if you want to run debian with a different init ...
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1799 [20:13:00] <n4dir> besides there is also antiX and MX (or such), if that, debian-based but not debian, is the choice made
1800 [20:13:03] <jelly> zleap: no, I said "if you install devuan, you get to ask questions elsewhere", the implication being: devuan is not debian
1801 [20:13:10] <zleap> ah ok sorry
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1803 [20:13:38] <zleap> chat shortly
1804 [20:14:01] <greycat> Even looking at /topic #devuan it seems they're diverging quite a bit from Debian. Their first release was named "jessie" and was a straight port of Debian 8. Their second release is named "ASCII", so they're not even following Debian's code names any more.
1805 [20:14:17] <zleap> :(
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1807 [20:14:47] <zleap> so no homage to toy story then, which is where the code names from debian are from
1808 [20:14:50] <zleap> chat later anyway
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1810 [20:14:56] <annadane> it's fair enough to have legitimate reasons to want to remove systemd but some people want to do it simply because they heard second hand that it was bad
1811 [20:15:15] <n4dir> isn't that a reason as good as any?
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1813 [20:15:20] <annadane> i guess
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1815 [20:15:51] <n4dir> i mean the same seems valid for all x-versus-y wars, DE's, editors, mulitiplers, shell's ...
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1831 [20:21:11] <ashleyk> annadane, choices are always good
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1845 [20:27:41] <sujonboss> hii
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1850 [20:28:41] <jelly> ascii is still pretty much stretch w/ their bits
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1852 [20:29:35] <greycat> At the moment it looks like it's diverging the way mariadb is from mysql.
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1855 [20:30:42] <ashleyk> or like how debian has diverged from debian 7
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1857 [20:31:03] <greycat> *plonk*
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1859 [20:31:40] <ashleyk> i wouldnt say its like mariadb from mysql unless you are implying devuan is better
1860 [20:32:00] <ashleyk> more free, etc
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1863 [20:32:30] <ashleyk> the mob might not like you implying that
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1920 [20:52:04] <G10h4ck> Hi all!
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1923 [20:52:45] <G10h4ck> I am modifying a debian package that used to work to support more features, but I get an error that I am not capable of understand
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1926 [20:53:41] <G10h4ck> the log of the build is here replaced-url
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1929 [20:54:34] <G10h4ck> if you look for the line starting with /usr/lib64/qt5/bin/qmake i really don't understand from where it took that command!!
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1933 [20:55:58] <G10h4ck> as you can see in this paste in my debian.rules the command line is pretty different replaced-url
1934 [20:56:13] <blackflow> G10h4ck: that first link doesn't work, requires login
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1948 [21:01:37] <G10h4ck> I'll paste it elsewere
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1950 [21:02:28] <armin> hi, anyone a clue what the application on the right terminal here is? replaced-url
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1953 [21:02:51] <G10h4ck> blackflow here it goes replaced-url
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1958 [21:03:59] <armin> wow, i had no idea there are actually pastebins where you have to create an account before you can paste something...
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1962 [21:04:52] <G10h4ck> so i found that that command is inside a file named Makefile inside the upstream source archive
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1964 [21:05:17] <G10h4ck> but why the rules I defined are not onored?
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1967 [21:06:15] <blackflow> armin: that's s-tui: replaced-url
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1970 [21:06:45] <blackflow> G10h4ck: which debian package is that? I'm having hard time finding it
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1972 [21:06:52] <armin> blackflow: great, thank you.
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1974 [21:07:33] <armin> wow, even worse: that pastebin offers to install a program called "sticky notes" which says to come with an "automated installation utility" while when i click download i get a 7mb (!) zip (!) file... wtf, kde?
1975 [21:08:13] <armin> of course requires some apache/mysql/php stack. ;)
1976 [21:08:26] <armin> </rant>
1977 [21:08:53] <greycat> This is why I use lynx or other terminal browsers to open unsolicited IRC pastes. And the ones that require Javascript or otherwise don't work in lynx/links/w3m, well, guess what happens after that.
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1980 [21:09:32] <annadane> they're directed to /dev/plonk?
1981 [21:09:42] <blackflow> armin: that screen you posted, what's that i3wm with gaps?
1982 [21:09:57] <greycat> In many cases, yes. If they seem to be putting in an honest effort, then I might say "try paste.debian.net instead".
1983 [21:10:08] <annadane> probably i3-gaps
1984 [21:10:21] <blackflow> I want that user's i3 config :)
1985 [21:10:41] <annadane> replaced-url
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1987 [21:11:30] <blackflow> annadane: yeah I know gaps, but I want the config to shamelessly rip of the style and status bar plugins
1988 [21:11:36] <blackflow> *rip off
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1997 [21:15:41] <G10h4ck> blackflow it is not included yet but seems deleting that Makefile from source directory did the trick...
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1999 [21:16:07] <blackflow> G10h4ck: well I was gonna ask, since it's not an official package, what's your baseline for comparison...
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2006 [21:19:21] <G10h4ck> is the previous version that was building the package without errors, BTW the problem was that spurious MakeFile that i don't know how it got into the sourc edirectory...
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2009 [21:20:25] <G10h4ck> now i have a question about Build-Depends: it is specified both in retroshare-service-git.dsc and in debian.control, can i remove it from one of the files? It is annoying and prone to error copy pasting on both eanch time deps changes...
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2020 [21:27:45] <greycat> ,kernels
2021 [21:27:46] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc6-686-pae (4.19~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
2022 [21:27:47] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2041 [21:34:25] <zleap> hmm how do I get scratch to work in Chromium (debian 9) please, i get plugin not supported
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2044 [21:36:03] <jhutchins_wk> !chromium
2045 [21:36:04] <dpkg> Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Ask me about <pepper flash>. replaced-url
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2049 [21:36:59] * jhutchins_wk wonders exactly how many different plugins are available for chrome/chromium.
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2052 [21:37:34] * greycat wonders what "scratch" is
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2054 [21:38:40] <zleap> dpkg: thanks
2055 [21:38:41] <dpkg> zleap: my pleasure
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2071 [21:47:35] <zleap> there is no one chatting in #chromium-support
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2078 [21:49:21] <greycat> If "scratch" is replaced-url
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2093 [21:57:45] <G10h4ck> blackflow now it compile fine but it issems it is not installing the binaries, I have a file called debian.retroshare-service-git.install that contains debian/tmp/usr/bin/retroshare-service
2094 [21:58:06] <G10h4ck> in the log I get dh_install: usr/bin/retroshare-service exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
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2103 [22:02:22] <halp-plz> hey guys
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2105 [22:02:53] <annadane> hi. let me guess, you need help
2106 [22:02:59] <annadane> :P
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2109 [22:03:07] <greycat> He needs halp, whatever that is.
2110 [22:03:41] <halp-plz> apt-get install openvpn returns "openvpn: Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable"
2111 [22:03:53] <halp-plz> annadane: yes! exactly! :P
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2114 [22:04:16] <annadane> !bat
2115 [22:04:17] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2116 [22:04:30] <halp-plz> apt-get install libssl1.0.2 returns this package is already installed
2117 [22:04:42] <greycat> It said 1.0.0 not 1.0.2
2118 [22:05:00] <halp-plz> I thought it meant it has to be >=1.0.1
2119 [22:05:07] <halp-plz> I'll try to get that annadane
2120 [22:05:29] * annadane still thinks if you have aptitude it's better to just use aptitude but whatever
2121 [22:05:34] <greycat> libssl1.0.0 is an actual package NAME
2122 [22:05:55] <bites> it's going to be a jessie stretch mix probably.
2123 [22:06:28] <greycat> Yeah, libssl1.0.0 is a jessie package. Which makes one wonder why your openvpn would depend on a jessie package but not be able to pull it in.
2124 [22:06:45] <G10h4ck> replaced-url
2125 [22:07:25] <m_g_lewis> How do you get aptitude to fix broken packages? Or does it do it automatically?
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2127 [22:07:52] <annadane> it can but the idea is to investigate
2128 [22:08:08] <annadane> i have to constantly tell people "don't press y yet"
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2138 [22:12:11] <halp-plz> annadane greycat paste.debian.net/1046414/
2139 [22:13:32] <halp-plz> :)
2140 [22:13:40] <greycat> ,v openvpn
2141 [22:13:41] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.6-1; sid: 2.4.6-1
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2143 [22:14:12] <Psi-Jack> So, you're trying to use a foreign openvpn package?
2144 [22:14:22] <greycat> "openvpn version 2.4.6-jessie0" looks very, very wrong... oh! you are using some bizarre third-party repository
2145 [22:14:46] <halp-plz> well I guess, I wasn't sure
2146 [22:14:56] <Psi-Jack> build.openvpn.net explains everything.
2147 [22:15:02] <greycat> You're trying to use a third-party openvpn package that was built for jessie and depends on a jessie library.
2148 [22:15:25] <Psi-Jack> While on stretch. heh
2149 [22:15:28] <halp-plz> I was?
2150 [22:15:31] <halp-plz> ok
2151 [22:15:37] <greycat> You still seem to be laboring under the delusion that the stretch package libssl1.0.2 can somehow be used as a substitute for the jessie package libssl1.0.0
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2153 [22:16:00] <halp-plz> I was just pasting the output...
2154 [22:16:23] <greycat> Either use an openvpn package that is built for stretch, or add a jessie source so you can get the jessie library to use this 3rd-party openvpn-for-jessie package.
2155 [22:16:24] <halp-plz> IDK why you think it's necessary to call me deluded lol
2156 [22:16:34] <annadane> he's not
2157 [22:16:36] <halp-plz> hhm
2158 [22:16:56] <halp-plz> so you're saying the problem is my repos?
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2160 [22:17:06] <annadane> but um, openvpn is packaged for stretch, so just use the openvpn package via apt install openvpn?
2161 [22:17:08] <greycat> *plonk*
2162 [22:17:23] <annadane> yes and you should be very careful with 3rd party repos, they should almost never be used
2163 [22:17:25] <greycat> annadane: he'd have to remove the third-party sources first, and apt-get update
2164 [22:17:27] <halp-plz> annadane: well I did use the command "apt-get install openvpn"
2165 [22:17:47] <annadane> yeah, do what greycat said and then use the one for stretch
2166 [22:17:52] <halp-plz> ok
2167 [22:17:58] <Psi-Jack> halp-plz: How did you get this third party repo even setup?
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2169 [22:18:19] <halp-plz> well I guess it came included in the qubes debian 9 template
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2172 [22:18:45] <annadane> ...ugh
2173 [22:18:52] <annadane> i don't even want to know
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2176 [22:19:13] <halp-plz> annadane: ???
2177 [22:19:18] <halp-plz> something wrong?
2178 [22:19:30] <annadane> i'm just surprised qubes has a template for debian with that in it
2179 [22:19:38] <halp-plz> ah
2180 [22:19:45] <Psi-Jack> I would be too.
2181 [22:19:53] <Psi-Jack> So I doubt that's how. :p
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2183 [22:20:39] <halp-plz> Psi-Jack: it's a brand-new template, so I didn't add any repositories manuallly
2184 [22:21:11] <Psi-Jack> Well, I can't say much. I have never used, nor will I ever use Qubes.
2185 [22:21:40] <halp-plz> you should try it. It makes Xen really easy to play with
2186 [22:21:49] <Psi-Jack> Xen too sucks. So no.
2187 [22:21:54] <halp-plz> ok
2188 [22:23:02] <halp-plz> so, how do I solve this? Should I add another repo?
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2190 [22:24:25] <bites> halp-plz: openvpn is already included in debian. you can just remove the replaced-url
2191 [22:24:47] <halp-plz> oh cool, thanks bites!
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2195 [22:28:55] <tw> ,v linux-image-4.18.0-1-amd64
2196 [22:28:56] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.18.0-1-amd64 on amd64 -- buster: 4.18.6-1; sid: 4.18.8-1
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2202 [22:30:11] <at0m> ,v linux-image-amd64
2203 [22:30:12] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+98~bpo9+1; buster: 4.18+98; sid: 4.18+99
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2205 [22:30:52] <tw> Somehow I have this package installed on my stretch system and I don't remember asking for it.
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2207 [22:31:33] <greycat> friends don't let friends drink and sudo?
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2209 [22:31:47] <at0m> tw: didnt review the changes apt* proposed? or unattended upgrade?
2210 [22:31:52] <tw> That might be the case -_-.
2211 [22:31:53] <tw> replaced-url
2212 [22:32:07] <tw> Hey now, that was *one* time I told that guy to dump the output to /dev/null.
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2227 [22:36:50] <tw> I could totally believe I upgraded it, but the surprising part is that it isn't in stretch-backports.
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2231 [22:37:36] <annadane> a wizard did it
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2234 [22:38:32] <tw> It's definitely my fault: replaced-url
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2236 [22:38:45] <annadane> yer a wizard, tw
2237 [22:39:07] <tw> I just don't know how it picked up a non-bpo version.
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2257 [22:49:00] <tw> The only reason I noticed at all is dkms failed to find headers for it. I uninstalled the old linux-image-amd64 package and reinstalled from backports, which fixed everything.
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2259 [22:50:17] <annadane> off topic but i recently tried installing nvidia-driver from stable and it just didn't work at all, so many conflicting dependencies and the only thing i have installed from outside stable is streamlink from backports
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2261 [22:50:26] <annadane> nvidia from backports does install however
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2263 [22:51:07] <annadane> just really weird
2264 [22:51:09] <tw> Are you using a backports kernel? I'd noticed that too around the time 4.15 came out in backports, nvidia-driver from stable flaked.
2265 [22:51:15] <annadane> i'm not, no
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2268 [22:53:50] <__m4ch1n3__> hello, I installed the intel-microcode pkg, how can i determine if cpu uses microde or not and which version?
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2270 [22:54:18] <__m4ch1n3__> is there any kernel module that is loaded when microde is in use
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2272 [22:55:17] <__m4ch1n3__> *determine if microde is atm in use
2273 [22:55:34] <__m4ch1n3__> *microcode
2274 [22:55:37] <__m4ch1n3__> omg
2275 [22:55:37] <n4dir> isn't the point of stable-backports that you can install from there and have the dependencies met by either stable or backports?
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2278 [22:56:39] <annadane> yeah that is the point, nvidia-driver should work from stable
2279 [22:56:46] <annadane> but i was lazy and didn't investigate the dependencies
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2281 [22:57:08] <annadane> but whatever, at this point i'll ride it out until buster
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2283 [22:57:18] <n4dir> good choice too :-)
2284 [22:58:04] <tw> yeah, all this icd packaging and the variety of provider packages makes gl really confusing.
2285 [22:58:07] <annadane> re: microcode, good question, don't know
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2288 [22:58:28] <tw> proc/microcode has the current revision. iirc, you only ever have to write the microcode update once and it persists across reboots.
2289 [22:58:38] <tw> *proc/cpuinfo
2290 [22:58:45] <tw> you can grep microcode from cpuinfo
2291 [22:58:45] <annadane> you do need to reboot your system once after install though so it can load
2292 [22:58:52] <annadane> oh right cpuinfo
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2303 [23:01:14] <annadane> but the thing that was confusing was it was a LONG list of "can't install because blah conflicts with blah"
2304 [23:01:21] <annadane> not just one or two things
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2308 [23:01:54] <annadane> and it's one of those things where it's like, i don't remember what it was explicitly but something like "depends on 17 but 13 is to be installed"
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2310 [23:02:04] <n4dir> i usually forgot to use -t stretch-backports, but that seems too obvious.
2311 [23:02:11] <annadane> i do *not* have a frankendebian so it's weird
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2314 [23:03:01] <tw> I've done that dance before as well. At one point, it wanted a directory created by mesa, but if you had mesa installed, it would tell you it can't install some nv package for icd (shader compiler dispatch?).
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2316 [23:03:16] <tw> or it wanted to uninstall everything that used x11 to get there.
2317 [23:03:25] <tw> I should have documented that =/
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2319 [23:03:35] <annadane> so i installed nvidia-driver from backports, which installed a few things and then upgraded also a ton of packages
2320 [23:03:40] <annadane> (which is not unusual, mesa has a lot)
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2322 [23:04:38] <Psi-Jack> halp-plz: So, did you receive the "halp" you needed ? Hehe
2323 [23:04:56] <annadane> also oh hey kernel update.
2324 [23:05:01] <annadane> update your systems folks
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2327 [23:06:25] <Psi-Jack> 10-4.
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2329 [23:06:44] <annadane> the other thing which is silly is nvidia-modprobe and nvidia-persistenced appear on the list of apt list --upgradable, which is actually a downgrade
2330 [23:06:51] <annadane> nvidia-modprobe/stable 384.111-2~deb9u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 384.111-1~bpo9+1]
2331 [23:07:20] <greycat> Two arm64 KVM fixes, and one xen-netback fix? Not rebootin' for that.
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2335 [23:08:58] <annadane> watch those packages bite me in the ass later when i forget to remove them from apt-mark hold when buster releases
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2339 [23:10:16] <bites> -2 gt -1
2340 [23:10:31] <annadane> oh for the love of christ. hi. i have a problem which needs help
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2342 [23:10:37] <SerajewelKS> is there a tool that will zero only readable sectors on a disk? e.g. i have a disk that has some unreadable sectors and if they are written, they will be reallocated and no longer show read errors. i want to be 100% sure that the RMA will be qualified, so i don't want to zero unreadable sectors, but i would like to zero everything else.
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2344 [23:12:04] <SerajewelKS> if there's not a tool to do this, i wonder how complex it would be to rig something that uses a badblocks read test
2345 [23:12:14] <annadane> replaced-url
2346 [23:12:48] <annadane> do i need to file a bug for bloody nvidia
2347 [23:13:33] <annadane> also sorry that paste is scrolling off to the right
2348 [23:13:39] <annadane> let me termbin it maybe
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2351 [23:14:22] <annadane> replaced-url
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2353 [23:14:44] <bites> that's worse. ^^
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2358 [23:15:43] <bites> annadane: do you have i386 headers?
2359 [23:15:50] <annadane> bites, yes
2360 [23:16:32] <bites> and an amd64 kernel?
2361 [23:16:43] <annadane> yep
2362 [23:16:56] <greycat> the headers aren't particularly useful, then
2363 [23:17:10] <annadane> it was for... why did i install that again, it had a reason
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2366 [23:17:16] <annadane> oh, because i have multiarch
2367 [23:17:18] <bites> this is where it seems to get stuck.
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2373 [23:18:58] <annadane> so remove the headers and then apt upgrade again?
2374 [23:19:14] <bites> i would try that, yes.
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2376 [23:20:26] <Vonor> hi. trying to build the raspi3 image (replaced-url
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2385 [23:24:44] <annadane> bites, er, i just get the usual about no new packages when i apt upgrade, how can i get it to rebuild again
2386 [23:24:50] <tw> Vonor: my guess is you don't have binfmt-support installed, but you might get better luck out of the mint channel, or #debian-next on oftc.
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2388 [23:25:03] <tw> what with stable not being supported by this script.
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2390 [23:25:09] <annadane> like apt upgrade is just 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded with the 2 unrelated packages from nvidia before
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2393 [23:25:42] <annadane> oh i can apt install --reinstall
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2398 [23:26:23] <annadane> unless removing the headers... i may have already fixed the problem and now i just need to reboot
2399 [23:26:50] <annadane> well no, let me try --reinstall first
2400 [23:26:57] <annadane> without the i386 headers
2401 [23:27:06] <tw> Vonor: either that, or your script is not properly installing qemu-arm-static like so: replaced-url
2402 [23:27:18] <Vonor> tw, you were right. installed that package. re running
2403 [23:27:21] <tw> but my bet is on binfmt.
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2408 [23:30:37] <annadane> ok cool, answered my own question, rebooting
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2436 [23:46:55] <Donatas> Hole ubuntuphiles, how are ya?
2437 [23:47:19] <annadane> debianphiles, but hi
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2443 [23:49:33] <Donatas> :) Oh yes appologies, are the root structure of whole ubuntu edifice
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2448 [23:53:03] <ctcx> Could anyone help with sending mail with mailx?
2449 [23:53:20] <ctcx> I try using smtps
2450 [23:53:35] <ctcx> First get "error no nss-config-dir found"
2451 [23:54:04] <ctcx> So I specify this parameter to Firefox's profile directory, and I get "unknown error -8015"
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2457 [23:57:39] <rant> Donatas: you do realize this is #debian, which is a channel for support of debian stable, right?
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2459 [23:58:37] <bites> wait, i forgot my pitchfork.
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