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• 3[00:00:39] <SerajewelKS> if you wanted to get fancy you could RAID1 over magnetic and flash for swap, with the magnetic flagged write-mostly
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• 5[00:01:00] <SerajewelKS> which would allow the flash drive to fail without tanking the system, at a penalty of slower writes to swap
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• 9[00:01:41] <milanos> I could. The server doesn't do anything that import(mostly streaming for me and my buddies) so I'm not too worried
• 10[00:02:29] <SerajewelKS> yeah. the worry is that it could break when swapping back in something critical and take down the system in the middle of writing to the disk. though any disk could fail at any time, so...
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• 12[00:03:22] <milanos> True. I just need something for school. I don't to bring my laptop, but I cant use windows
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• 16[00:05:17] <SerajewelKS> hmm okay i triggered the read error with a check operation, but i don't see the log entries i saw previously about the system using the other mirror to try to correct the bad block
• 17[00:05:27] <SerajewelKS> md seems to be ignoring the presence of read errors entirely. that worries me a bit.
• 18[00:05:28] <milanos> Also, have any of you used Debian Hurd? I really want to check out hurd, but am not sure if its worth the download
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• 25[00:06:35] <SerajewelKS> hmmmmm unless it tries to read the block a few times and is successful on the second try...
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• 30[00:08:34] <SerajewelKS> using dd fails on that sector every time. grr.
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• 33[00:09:13] <SerajewelKS> maybe i need to fail that disk, clobber the dmraid metadata, and let it resync from scratch
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• 35[00:09:31] <n4dir> milanos: ages ago i gave hurd a try. That sure is a different beast.
• 36[00:09:38] <milanos> SerajewelKS: I have had that problem before. What I did was I partitioned the drive into two sides, then I just loaded half of the disk on each side
• 37[00:10:03] <n4dir> back then if the installation worked or not was sometimes due to the hardware used.
• 38[00:10:05] <SerajewelKS> milanos: .... what?
• 39[00:10:32] <n4dir> Uwe Hermann (or similar), a debian developper, had a blog entry how to run hurd in qemu, but i can never find the site
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• 43[00:10:52] <zleap> n4dir: yeah i had linux on cdrom at ome time and had to make floppy disks as the hardware support for cd's wasn't quite right
• 44[00:10:58] <milanos> SerajewelKS: I expanded the disk image, then loaded half of it on each partition. Then just modified the fstab and grub install
• 45[00:11:03] <zleap> this was pre 2.0.0 or 2.0.30 kernel era though
• 46[00:11:21] <SerajewelKS> milanos: are you sure you're responding to the right person? i don't know how that applies to my situation.
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• 49[00:12:05] <milanos> Ohh, I only read 1/2 of your thing, sorry
• 50[00:12:15] <n4dir> zleap: if i am not completely wrong the Hurd is not linux. :-)
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• 53[00:13:04] <outoftime> pringau: yes, I have tried what you have mensioned
• 54[00:13:05] <n4dir> debian kFreeBSD otoh is pretty straight forward.
• 55[00:13:05] <zleap> hurdis the fsf unux implementation it is older than Linux
• 56[00:13:11] <zleap> unix*
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• 59[00:15:35] <SerajewelKS> basically if md is noticing the read errors and trying to fix them by reading from the other drive and writing the blocks to the failing disk, i would expect to see "read error corrected" like i did yesterday
• 60[00:15:45] <SerajewelKS> but, while i see sda read errors, i do not see md say anything at all in the logs
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• 62[00:16:54] <SerajewelKS> which worries me that md has either decided to ignore the error (why would it do that during a check operation!?) or was able to retry the read and achieve success. but i want it to, on any read error, immediately try to correct it.
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• 67[00:20:04] <SerajewelKS> "If a read error is detected during this process, the normal read-error handling causes correct data to be found from other devices and to be written back to the faulty device." <-- this does not appear to be happening and i don't know why not
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• 72[00:21:57] <SerajewelKS> i guess i will try a repair instead
• 73[00:22:34] <SerajewelKS> my goal here is either to fix the problem on the bad disk by having it remap sectors by itself, or cause it to fail into the warranty thresholds in smartctl so i can RMA it
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• 84[00:26:10] <SerajewelKS> i'd feel better if md logged something saying that it's fixing read errors. i thought it did yesterday.
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• 86[00:26:44] <SerajewelKS> maybe it does if a read error is triggered during normal operation, but not during a check/repair?
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• 94[00:34:39] <Antares_> Приглашаю всех в интернет 12.11 на Наш День Рождения!
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• 99[00:40:14] <rant> !ru
• 100[00:40:15] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 139[01:08:58] <tytan> Hello everyone I noticed there are three DVD images available for debian-9.5.0 ... what's on disc 2 and 3? What are they used for?
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• 143[01:12:36] <dvs> tytan, more packages without going over the internet
• 144[01:13:01] <tytan> can I get a list of those packages so I know if it's worth downloading all discs?
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• 147[01:13:43] <dvs> tytan, if you have a working internet connection, I wouldn't bother.
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• 154[01:17:03] <awal1> ,v koi8rxterm
• 155[01:17:05] <judd> No package named 'koi8rxterm' was found in amd64.
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• 159[01:20:23] <awal1> what is exactly 'koi8rxterm' I see when I do "update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator"? If I run "koi8rxterm" via terminal I get an X message saying "koi8rxterm tried unsuccessfully to use locale ru_RU.KOI8-R by setting $LANG to "ru_RU.KOI8-R""
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• 161[01:22:03] <awal1> hm, ok it is a wrapper related with xterm
• 162[01:22:05] <awal1> nvm
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• 241[02:33:40] <outoftime> How to get better keyboard shortcuts for switching language in gnome. I've used to Ctrl+Left Shift, but when I'm pressing Ctrl+Shift+Arrow key instead of selecting region I have changed language...
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• 261[02:52:38] <rant> outoftime: what are you using to change the language? an applet or something?
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• 263[02:52:56] <rant> if its one of the DE's shortcuts you can configure it in the de's shortcuts prefs
• 264[02:53:35] <rant> alternatively you could scrap/disable whatever you're using now, find a command that changes it, and make a custom shortcut for that command
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• 286[03:08:46] <galaxie> Can somebody point out a plausible way to cross-compile something from Linux for use in Windows where the directions state to use Visual Studio for the Windows build?
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• 288[03:09:56] <galaxie> I have the latest stable version of WINE if that helps.
• 289[03:11:12] <SerajewelKS> mingw may be an option, which does not require wine at all
• 290[03:11:39] <SerajewelKS> however, if the code is C++ and the produced binaries have a C++ ABI, and need to interoperate with MSVC compiled binaries, that's gonna be a bad time
• 291[03:12:27] <galaxie> The project uses CMake. I'm currently looking at cmake-toolchains docs. Is that one way to go?
• 292[03:12:53] <SerajewelKS> it could be, i'm not very familiar with cmake, honestly
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• 446[06:12:14] <awal1> ,v numix-blue-gtk-theme
• 447[06:12:16] <judd> No package named 'numix-blue-gtk-theme' was found in amd64.
• 448[06:12:23] <awal1> :(
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• 451[06:16:44] <Unit193> That's a thing specific to Ubuntu since UbuntuStudio patched the usual Numix theme to follow Studio's blue overtones.
• 452[06:17:30] <Unit193> I have patched the color highlights too, you could adapt that patch to change the highlights color to whatever.
• 453[06:17:59] <awal1> not a a project from numix official team? a variant of numix-gtk-theme
• 454[06:18:44] <awal1> you are the maintainer of numix-gtk-theme?
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• 457[06:19:32] <Unit193> replaced-url
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• 459[06:20:10] <awal1> ok, thanks for the info
• 460[06:20:27] <awal1> i like numix theme but orange color disturbs me a bit
• 461[06:20:45] <awal1> that is why i use mate-themes (blue variant)
• 462[06:21:43] <Unit193> replaced-url
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• 465[06:23:24] <awal1> thanks i will check that after my dinner :P
• 466[06:23:59] <awal1> red, hm
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• 468[06:25:07] <awal1> i will follow your example and build something gray
• 469[06:27:54] <Unit193> I think it's a great theme, just needs a few small tweaks (smaller padding, slightly darker, and...Not orange.)
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• 472[06:31:15] <dka> With Gparted, how can I format my WD HD external drive to FAT32 and have Auto mount ?
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• 475[06:37:21] <awal1> Unit193, a great theme sure (without orange). but I believe menta blue theme (mate-themes pkg) is from far the most polished gtk theme available in debian right now
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• 477[06:37:39] <awal1> you may want to try it
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• 481[06:38:52] * seekr supposes awal1 intended to write "...is *by* far the most polished..." :)
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• 485[06:40:33] <awal1> by far yeah :P
• 486[06:40:51] <awal1> bad english here; non english spoken :P
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• 491[06:42:05] <Unit193> replaced-url
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• 494[06:45:38] <awal1> no yep
• 495[06:46:02] <awal1> until now, I have not found any bug in that theme
• 496[06:47:21] <awal1> all applications, gtk2 $ 3, are 100% compatible, and all the websites I visit are also compatible
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• 500[06:49:35] <awal1> with numix, i have troubles with some apps and website regarding the "squares" for mark/unmark stuff
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• 507[06:55:55] <AlecTaylor> hi
• 508[06:56:14] <AlecTaylor> How do I get the `dpkg --get-selections` equivalent for a package I'm installing through `apt install`?
• 509[06:56:31] <netcrash> Hello, is there any tool to manage a active directory samba setup?
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• 513[06:57:57] <AlecTaylor> netcrash: replaced-url
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• 517[06:59:42] <AlecTaylor> Found it
• 518[06:59:43] <AlecTaylor> replaced-url
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• 521[07:01:36] <pingfloyd> AlecTaylor: you mean you want to see only the packages you explicitly installed?
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• 523[07:02:02] <AlecTaylor> pingfloyd: No, I was looking for debconf-get-selections
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• 525[07:02:13] <netcrash> AlecTaylor, I'm using Active Directory according to samba docs I can't use it with ldap, and must use Internal Ldap Backend
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• 596[08:28:47] <dka> i've disconnected ethernet and reconnected with a new cable
• 597[08:29:16] <dka> i can see the led on the back of the workstation close to the ethernet port, and I can see the led on my router, both are on, i have tested the new cable working
• 598[08:29:27] <dka> After rebooting my host, the ethernet card is disconnected
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• 611[08:44:58] <ikarosuusi> update broke wacom tablet
• 612[08:45:10] <ikarosuusi> it's recognized but it the pen seems to be "out of touch"
• 613[08:45:17] <ikarosuusi> I mean, it doesn't recognize the pen
• 614[08:45:27] <ikarosuusi> it shows the wrong picture in the gui and everything
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• 616[08:47:29] <hexer22> so u want help ?
• 617[08:47:55] <ikarosuusi> yeah man
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• 619[08:48:10] <ikarosuusi> I was about to draw
• 620[08:48:43] <hexer22> check inbox plz
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• 625[08:57:12] <hexer22> plz join #thehashers in freenode
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• 633[09:03:26] <sphalerite> I'm having lots of difficulty with debootstrap (its FHS assumptions break on nixos, where I'm trying to run it). Does debian distribute rootfs tarballs anywhere?
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• 770[11:04:58] <adri|2> hello, i want to ask something, i use old motherboard, but in bios options i can change ide mode to ahci sata mode. do you think this is a better choice for a debian 9?
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• 773[11:09:10] <moussa> AHCI has a slightly better performance IMHO, both should work but some seems to have problem with the BIOS set to AHCI specially when using USB stick
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• 778[11:12:14] <adri|2> Interestingly, this is an experimental mode. This is a socket 775 motherboard and comes wish IDE as a default mode
• 779[11:12:32] <adri|2> with *
• 780[11:14:32] <moussa> well i would start with AHCI, if it fails to boot change it to IDE
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• 782[11:17:29] <adri|2> works well, thanks moussa
• 783[11:17:41] <moussa> NP
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• 889[12:47:26] <maxzor> Hi, how can one check the qt packaging roadmap? (interested in pgmodeler with qt 5.9 lts)
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• 891[12:49:22] <jelly> maxzor: if there is one, it'd be around qt-kde packaging team's pages, replaced-url
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• 893[12:50:27] <maxzor> jelly thank you
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• 907[13:02:04] <at0m> hi, what tool could i use to batch remove EXIF info from pics?
• 908[13:02:42] <at0m> looked into convert, but that doesnt seem to do it?
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• 910[13:03:05] <nyov> at0m: exiftool ?
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• 913[13:03:59] <nyov> that is the libimage-exiftool-perl package
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• 916[13:05:39] <at0m> nyov: right, looking at it now, thanks
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• 919[13:06:21] <jelly> ,v exiv2
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• 921[13:06:22] <judd> Package: exiv2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.23-1; wheezy-security: 0.23-1+deb7u2; jessie: 0.24-4.1; stretch: 0.25-3.1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.25-3.1+deb9u1; buster: 0.25-4; sid: 0.25-4; experimental: 0.26-1
• 922[13:06:24] <nyov> at0m: if you want to batch-remove every exif tag, you should also look for jpegoptim, pngcrush and perhaps other similar tools
• 923[13:06:30] <jelly> ,i exiv2
• 924[13:06:31] <judd> Package exiv2 (graphics, optional) in stretch/amd64: EXIF/IPTC/XMP metadata manipulation tool. Version: 0.25-3.1+deb9u1; Size: 105.8k; Installed: 247k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 925[13:06:47] <at0m> ,v mat2
• 926[13:06:48] <judd> Package: mat2 on amd64 -- sid: 0.4.0-1
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• 928[13:07:03] <at0m> duh "metadata anonymizing tool"
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• 931[13:07:21] <at0m> that uses libimage-exiftool-perl
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• 963[13:52:57] <Jemt> Hi. How can I make the 'find' command exclude folders when I use prune ? find . \( -path ./skip/path/one -o -path ./skip/path/two \) -prune -o -exec echo '{}' \;
• 964[13:53:10] <Jemt> I can't figure out how to make it work with the -type switch
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• 967[13:54:01] <Jemt> I would expect something like this to exclude directories too:
• 968[13:54:02] <Jemt> find . \( -type d -o -path ./skip/path/one -o -path ./skip/path/two \) -prune -o -exec echo '{}' \;
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• 977[13:58:54] <Jemt> Oh, I just realized that the type switch must be placed after the prune part: find . \( -path ./skip/path/one -o -path ./skip/path/two \) -prune -o -type f -exec echo '{}' \;
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• 984[14:06:01] <basilic> hello all
• 985[14:06:29] <basilic> I try to do working a microscope G600 but I can't see it on lsusb or in cheese software
• 986[14:06:51] <basilic> If anybody already use it on debian I'm interesting by it's feedback
• 987[14:07:53] <petn-randall> basilic: It's connnected via USB? Then I'd check if it's properly turned on.
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• 989[14:08:14] <basilic> It's a microscope with screen
• 990[14:08:28] <basilic> but when connect on computer it's display USB
• 991[14:08:42] <basilic> I find a video on the net that a person use it
• 992[14:08:45] <basilic> on laptop
• 993[14:08:45] <petn-randall> basilic: If it doesn't show up in 'lsusb' that's a sign that the USB bus knows nothing about it.
• 994[14:09:13] <basilic> will try with another computer
• 995[14:09:15] <basilic> to sse
• 996[14:09:17] <basilic> see
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• 999[14:10:35] <basilic> seems an usb problem
• 1000[14:10:42] <basilic> I have change usbcom port
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• 1003[14:11:03] <basilic> and now I can see it
• 1004[14:11:50] <basilic> now that work
• 1005[14:11:52] <basilic> :)
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• 1010[14:19:25] <petn-randall> basilic: yay, congrats on getting it to work.
• 1011[14:20:00] <basilic> not better resolution but bigger screen ;)
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• 1013[14:20:07] <basilic> that can be help
• 1014[14:20:08] <basilic> lol
• 1015[14:21:49] <basilic> and maybe measure software usable
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• 1084[15:36:52] <petn-randall> Hi, I'm running Debian stable with Thunderbird 60. I'm trying to install the "Compact Headers" extension via the Add-ons manager. However, it tells me that the version is incompatible with my version, and I need a version between 52.0 and 60.*. What gives?
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• 1115[16:00:38] <SpeedyG> petn-randall: you're saying debian actually provides software that is 'too new' :o
• 1116[16:00:41] <SpeedyG> thats a first :D
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• 1118[16:02:39] <dvs> ???
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• 1122[16:06:58] <petn-randall> SpeedyG: That's not what I said. Thunderbird 60.0 shipped in stable is within the range of 52.0 to 60.*.
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• 1125[16:10:46] <LtL> petn-randall: on thunderbird's homepage they have a compactheader addon they claim works with 52-60.* if that works with the debian thunderbird i can't say.
• 1126[16:11:48] <petn-randall> LtL: I could now download it from the extensions page via Firefox, and then do a "install from file" in Thunderbird. It now works (kinda). I don't understand why it doesn't work directly from the add-ons manager, though.
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• 1159[16:46:52] <VG234> I'm trying to run gnutypist (gtypist) on my phone using gnuroot, a debian install. In the terminal when I run gtypist I get: gtypist: line 42: line too long for screen. I believe this to be a display issue. when I type resize I get COLUMNS=71 LINES=21. Is there a way to make the screen size bigger?
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• 1164[16:50:23] <VG234> I've tried chaning TERM, but maybe I don't have the correct setting.
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• 1169[16:53:24] <BCMM> VG234: turn the phone to landscape? zoom out? what terminal are you using?
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• 1184[17:06:48] <VG234> BCMM: Phone is on Landscape when I launch gtypist. At the moment, TERM is set to screen. Tried vt100, xterm.
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• 1189[17:08:32] <VG234> BCMM: Good point, if I go to portrait, I get 43 columns. Still, the 71 on landscape does not seem to be enough.
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• 1226[17:42:57] <gre> hello
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• 1229[17:43:55] <gre> im typing sudo date --set 2018-10-09 but it doesn't change the date
• 1230[17:44:11] <gre> if i type date, it shows today not tomorrow
• 1231[17:44:39] <gre> did i forget something? (i have no ntpd running)
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• 1244[17:54:46] <peaceguy> hi all
• 1245[17:54:50] <peaceguy> i reinstalled debian
• 1246[17:54:59] <peaceguy> i have separate /home partition
• 1247[17:55:03] <peaceguy> so i mount it
• 1248[17:55:06] <peaceguy> so
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• 1250[17:55:11] <peaceguy> i need to make it function as home
• 1251[17:55:19] <peaceguy> like automount
• 1252[17:55:24] <peaceguy> can i do that?
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• 1255[17:55:56] <n4dir> peaceguy: if not too tired i think you ask for the file /etc/fstab
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• 1257[17:56:19] <phogg> peaceguy: Add an entry to /etc/fstab, make sure the auto option is used.
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• 1259[17:56:31] <n4dir> !help
• 1260[17:56:36] <n4dir> phogg: see ?
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• 1267[17:58:52] <at0m> peaceguy: that line in fstab would look like "/dev/sda3 /home ext4 auto 0 2", if sda3 is your home
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• 1276[18:01:37] <JordiGH> If I plug in an hdmi TV to my laptop and go into Gnome's sound settings and pick HDMI output, I get audio nice and dandy. But later on, after I unplug the HDMI cable, Gnome's (well, Mate's) audio tuner doesn't seem to control the laptop speaker's audio anymore
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• 1278[18:01:43] <JordiGH> I can apparently still control the audio if I go into Mate's sound panel and use the volume controls there.
• 1279[18:01:49] <JordiGH> To be clear, the Fn+F2 and Fn+F3 keys don't change the volume anymore, nor does the little speaker icon in the system tray.
• 1280[18:01:57] <JordiGH> I am using Pulseaudio, so I wonder if that's getting confused?
• 1281[18:02:15] <JordiGH> Huh, now the speaker icon has disappeared from the system tray. What's in charge of putting it there? Maybe I just have to restart that.
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• 1284[18:04:44] <chuuna> is it possible to restore nginx conf files via apt?
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• 1287[18:08:10] <phogg> chuuna: to the default?
• 1288[18:08:16] <chuuna> yes phogg
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• 1290[18:08:41] <chuuna> i tried with both apt purge nginx & install nginx again
• 1291[18:08:50] <LtL> !confmiss
• 1292[18:08:50] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 1297[18:10:44] <chuuna> E: Invalid operation reinstall
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• 1300[18:11:10] <chuuna> !ucfconfmiss
• 1301[18:11:12] <peaceguy> ok but it's encrypted
• 1302[18:11:19] <peaceguy> the /home partition is encrypted
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• 1306[18:11:46] <phogg> chuuna: reinstall is a valid aptitude command. What exactly did you run?
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• 1312[18:12:53] <chuuna> zsh: command not found: aptitude, then tried with apt-get and apt
• 1313[18:13:11] <peaceguy> you use zsh :D
• 1314[18:13:21] <peaceguy> is zsh best?
• 1315[18:13:39] <chuuna> oh my zsh <3
• 1316[18:13:40] <phogg> chuuna: apt, apt-get and aptitude are not always interchangeable.
• 1317[18:13:45] <peaceguy> :D
• 1318[18:13:50] <peaceguy> i heard
• 1319[18:13:57] <peaceguy> it's good to stick to one package manager
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• 1321[18:14:21] <peaceguy> phogg: will it work if the /home is encrypted?
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• 1324[18:15:17] <phogg> peaceguy: I don't know. You'd probably get prompted for whatever pass phrase is needed, but you may need some extra options.
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• 1326[18:15:40] <peaceguy> ok thank you i will try it now
• 1327[18:15:47] <LtL> chuuna: try apt-get remove --purge nginx
• 1328[18:15:59] <chuuna> ok, will do
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• 1334[18:18:29] <at0m> peaceguy: if it's encrypted, that will be via crypttab not fstab
• 1335[18:18:46] <at0m> not sure how that works though, i guess man crypttab
• 1336[18:19:02] <chuuna> ➜ ~ ls -la /etc/nginx │
• 1337[18:19:03] <chuuna> ls: cannot access '/etc/nginx': No such file or directory
• 1338[18:19:13] <peaceguy> ok
• 1339[18:19:23] <phogg> chuuna: sounds like purging worked
• 1340[18:19:26] <at0m> chuuna: well no, you purged it^^ now reinstall
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• 1349[18:24:25] <Longo> hi all
• 1350[18:25:16] <Longo> I am installing debian via netinstall CD, and although i had a wifi card in the machine, it wasn't possible to set up the network to do a proper net install
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• 1354[18:25:58] <Longo> As such, i got a warning about having "only a very minimal install", and i'm just hoping that doesn't mean a apt-getupdate/upgrade won't get me to a standard Debian CD install
• 1355[18:26:01] <phogg> Longo: wireless will probably require a firmware blob which is in non-free
• 1356[18:26:07] <Longo> like i may have perminently messed this up
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• 1359[18:26:26] <Longo> phogg yeah, and that sucks, but that's probably what that is :(
• 1360[18:26:50] <Longo> I'm not mad, although now you pointed that out, i'm more sympathetic. that sucks for Debian more than anyone
• 1361[18:26:53] <phogg> Longo: presuming you have a wired connection available to bootstrap it's just a matter of adding the source, apt-get update and then install the package you need and configure.
• 1362[18:27:29] <phogg> Longo: next time look here: replaced-url
• 1363[18:27:49] <Longo> Ah, well, unfortunately i'm installing this at a friend's house, and i don't have a long ethernet cable handy. And the router is downstairs -_-
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• 1366[18:30:10] <peaceguy> sudo mount /dev/sda6 mnt
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• 1368[18:30:21] <peaceguy> mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
• 1369[18:30:31] <peaceguy> i can't mount this encrypted partition
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• 1371[18:30:43] <Longo> ok now i'm kinda mad. the hell is this licensing the software i need for the hardware i bought. that's garbage "information should be illegal" logic that has totally screwed up computer science
• 1372[18:30:45] <peaceguy> how to automatically mount an encrypted partition?
• 1373[18:30:57] <Longo> fstab
• 1374[18:31:05] <phogg> Longo: What do you mean?
• 1375[18:31:13] <peaceguy> ok thank you
• 1376[18:31:23] <chuuna> thanks guys, worked now. I had to cd to other directory
• 1377[18:32:32] <peaceguy> can someone say what would be the proper way to tell debian while installing
• 1378[18:32:38] <peaceguy> to use the existing /home as /home
• 1379[18:32:43] <Longo> phogg: i don't know why everyone is okay with certain combinations of 1's and 0's being illegal. it's literally just information. it goes against the idea of freedom of speech. patents. copyright. insider trading law. it's all some or another form of illegal information.
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• 1381[18:32:57] <Longo> /offtopic
• 1382[18:33:15] <peaceguy> what?
• 1383[18:33:19] <Longo> I will try reinstalling with not-free-debian, although i will feel dirty and hate myself.
• 1384[18:33:35] <Longo> but at least it will work
• 1385[18:33:54] <phogg> Longo: People with something to gain lie to politicians about how things work. Welcome to life.
• 1386[18:33:58] <peaceguy> then remove anything non-free
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• 1392[18:34:39] <peaceguy> i'm in debian installer setting up partitions\
• 1393[18:34:54] <peaceguy> i have existing /home partition and when i set it to /home
• 1394[18:35:03] <peaceguy> to be used as a mount point for /home
• 1395[18:35:07] <peaceguy> does it format it?
• 1396[18:35:13] <peaceguy> the existing home partition
• 1397[18:35:38] <phogg> peaceguy: only if you tell it to make a filesystem. If you just say "use <device> as /home" then it won't.
• 1398[18:35:59] <phogg> peaceguy: but if it's encrypted already I expect you to have trouble
• 1399[18:36:08] <peaceguy> do i get the option for use as home, without setting the file sysyem
• 1400[18:36:12] <peaceguy> system*
• 1401[18:36:19] <peaceguy> ok
• 1402[18:36:50] <peaceguy> this should be more straightforward really
• 1403[18:36:56] <peaceguy> why trouble?
• 1404[18:37:12] <peaceguy> what kind of trouble?
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• 1406[18:37:53] <n4dir> peaceguy: the most easy way is probably to just put all in /; then edit fstab after installation and make the old /home home.
• 1407[18:38:14] <n4dir> most easy: not much fear to lose data when doing wrong.
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• 1409[18:38:38] <peaceguy> you mean set up / partition and don't use existing home at all
• 1410[18:38:44] <peaceguy> then just add it in fstab
• 1411[18:38:48] <peaceguy> i did it that way
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• 1413[18:38:57] <n4dir> it can be done with the installer, iirc, but i would not want to do it by try and error.
• 1414[18:38:59] <peaceguy> ledeni lol
• 1415[18:39:20] <peaceguy> i didn't touch existing partition in the installer i only used /
• 1416[18:39:27] <peaceguy> so how to add it to fstab now?
• 1417[18:40:12] <n4dir> pretty sure if you scroll up a bit there is a valid way to do it.
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• 1430[18:46:07] <HicksD> Anyone had an issue where starting mumble whilst another app (eg vlc or firefox) is playing back audio, will cause the just played audio to be played again, like a buffer is restarted and resulting in a few seconds delay and out of sync audio/video. When mumble is closed after a few seconds (buffer running out?) audio will cut out and then skip to be back in sync again.
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• 1432[18:47:02] <peaceguy> ok n4dir thank you
• 1433[18:47:21] <peaceguy> just someone said fstab is not the way for encrypted, will try anyway
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• 1441[18:53:02] <n4dir> someone was right. been ages i had an encrypted disk. I missed that, sorry.
• 1442[18:53:21] <peaceguy> no problem
• 1443[18:53:30] <peaceguy> this just got harder
• 1444[18:53:37] <peaceguy> now need to figure this
• 1445[18:53:42] <peaceguy> crypttab thing
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• 1447[18:55:35] <n4dir> the reason i gave up on it. too much fiddling when doing more than just booting it.
• 1448[18:55:57] <peaceguy> i just need to boot it
• 1449[18:55:58] <peaceguy> right now
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• 1451[18:56:19] <peaceguy> buy yes i think it's unnecesarilly not-straight forward too much unnecessary complexities
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• 1453[18:57:05] <n4dir> nah, that is just me, pretty lazy guy. You will get used to it, i guess. It was not impossible to understand it (via web,irrc)
• 1454[18:57:32] <peaceguy> what is not possible this problem or encryption
• 1455[18:57:34] <peaceguy> ?
• 1456[18:57:54] <n4dir> encrypted disks in fstab, doing chroot with them, such stuff
• 1457[18:58:02] <peaceguy> yes true
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• 1459[18:58:59] <n4dir> also, iirc, if you wante[ed] encrypted installation but no lvm, that was quite some clicking back and forth with the installer ...
• 1460[18:59:51] <peaceguy> yea yea!
• 1461[18:59:53] <peaceguy> so true
• 1462[19:00:01] <peaceguy> i did that just recently on my laptop
• 1463[19:00:09] <peaceguy> because i wanted custom partition sizes
• 1464[19:00:21] <n4dir> :-)
• 1465[19:00:22] <peaceguy> and to figure out how to encrypt home was quite a deal!
• 1466[19:00:23] <peaceguy> lol
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• 1468[19:00:26] <peaceguy> :-)
• 1469[19:00:26] <peaceguy> :)
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• 1488[19:13:38] <Longo> So after a bit of digging it seems i have an Intel wifi chip usually for a laptop, but it's in this desktop converter module thing
• 1489[19:14:09] <Longo> but tl;dr i didn't have the intel wifi drivers (i presume) on the inetinstall CD?
• 1490[19:14:28] <JordiGH> It probably needs a firmware blob.
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• 1492[19:14:38] <JordiGH> Debian is preserving your freedom by making your wifi unusable.
• 1493[19:15:08] <Longo> I appreciate that. I really do.
• 1494[19:15:12] <peaceguy> haha lol
• 1495[19:15:13] <peaceguy> true
• 1496[19:15:14] <JordiGH> lol
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• 1498[19:15:37] <peaceguy> can usb help? with the needed drivers?
• 1499[19:15:38] <JordiGH> Well, we probably should blame Intel for making the blob in the first place, not poor Debian.
• 1500[19:16:00] <peaceguy> companies are faulty of not releasing documentation for their devices
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• 1502[19:16:05] <LtL> Longo: you likely need firmware-iwlwifi ; for intel chips
• 1503[19:16:10] <Longo> But right now i just need to get the internet working on this thing :P so i can leave my friend's house and go hoooome :'-C
• 1504[19:16:13] <Longo> heheeh
• 1505[19:16:35] <Longo> LtL thank you for the searchterm! I'll try via USB as suggested
• 1506[19:17:22] <rant> while there are some trade secrets to be kept in the wifi world, I personally and I'm sure no on else, has ever bought something specifically because of the wifi OTHER than to avoid such binary blobs and feature limitations
• 1507[19:17:46] <rant> for the most part, for some time wifi has come built in to most everything and its not a key feature that decisions are made upon
• 1508[19:18:10] <JordiGH> Last time I looked into it, Intel thinks that in order to comply with FCC regulations, they have to give you a firmware blob so that you can't (easily) make your card transmit over military frequencies or whatever.
• 1509[19:18:12] <rant> so the whole need to protect the design specifics to compete on lower power consumption, etc.. is kinda moot
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• 1512[19:18:45] <rant> I dont think any f'n court would hold THEM liable in such event
• 1513[19:18:48] <n4dir> rant: well i once bout a netgear usb dongle as it was suppored straight from the kernel (compared with the build-in broadcom)
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• 1516[19:19:13] <JordiGH> rant: Well, you know, courts are have ruled that url linking is copyright infringement, so...
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• 1519[19:19:37] <peaceguy> lol
• 1520[19:19:40] <peaceguy> hi JDredd :D
• 1521[19:19:56] <peaceguy> sorry
• 1522[19:20:02] <rant> yeah sure, I bought a hawking usb dish cause it used a zydas zd1211 atheros knockoff, that supported monitor and had fw in debian.. cause I too had a broadcom hybrid radio at the time
• 1523[19:20:30] <JordiGH> Hey, how can I determine what program is in charge of handling media key button presses?
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• 1525[19:20:43] <JordiGH> 'Cause I want to restart that program.
• 1526[19:20:51] <rant> JordiGH: you mean merely linking to a copyrighted work without permission is infringement?
• 1527[19:20:53] <JordiGH> It's not changing the volume correctly at the moment.
• 1528[19:20:58] <peaceguy> desktop environment?
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• 1530[19:21:02] <JordiGH> rant: Yep, some courts have ruled that.
• 1531[19:21:05] <peaceguy> keybinds, or?
• 1532[19:21:05] <JordiGH> peaceguy: What part of it?
• 1533[19:21:17] <peaceguy> what de are you using?
• 1534[19:21:20] <JordiGH> mate
• 1535[19:21:24] <JordiGH> Matë
• 1536[19:21:26] <peaceguy> ok
• 1537[19:21:27] <JordiGH> mah'teh
• 1538[19:21:29] <peaceguy> ok
• 1539[19:21:30] <peaceguy> :D
• 1540[19:21:36] <rant> JordiGH: those courts should be burned to the ground right after the judges are swinging over em by a noose.. cause thats practically the same as a bibliographic citation
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• 1545[19:22:09] <JordiGH> I wonder if xev will help...
• 1546[19:22:12] <peaceguy> go to control center maybe
• 1547[19:22:24] <peaceguy> yes use xev to determine keycodes
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• 1550[19:23:01] <rant> JordiGH: its most likely the window manager mutter I believe
• 1551[19:23:19] <rant> JordiGH: when you say not doing it correctly, what does that mean.. not working at all?
• 1552[19:23:26] <peaceguy> search for mutter keybinds
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• 1555[19:23:53] <rant> keybindings are in System>Prefs>Hardware>Keyboard Shortcuts
• 1556[19:24:00] <JordiGH> Well... it seems to have some volume setting that it's storing internally, but it doesn't match my actual volume output from the speakers at all.
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• 1558[19:24:05] <peaceguy> replaced-url
• 1559[19:24:10] <peaceguy> replaced-url
• 1560[19:24:13] <JordiGH> mate-volume-control-applet does change the actual volume output correctly.
• 1561[19:24:14] <peaceguy> haha gnome lol
• 1562[19:24:30] <rant> JordiGH: you are probably using pulseaudio which has a master and per-app volume control
• 1563[19:24:31] <JordiGH> I don't think it's the wm.
• 1564[19:24:36] <JordiGH> I'm using compiz.
• 1565[19:24:46] <JordiGH> so even when i kill compiz, I still have something that is intercepting the volume keys.
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• 1567[19:24:47] <rant> JordiGH: then maybe mate-settings-daemon idk.
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• 1570[19:25:05] <JordiGH> I am using pulseaudio, but restarting it doesn't fix this either.
• 1571[19:25:13] <JordiGH> Well, I'm not sure how much restarting I can do.
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• 1573[19:25:38] <rant> actually it appears the wm is called marco.. but w/e
• 1574[19:26:02] <JordiGH> Hey, that worked!
• 1575[19:26:04] <JordiGH> mate-settings-daemon
• 1576[19:26:06] <JordiGH> !!!
• 1577[19:26:06] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
• 1578[19:26:14] <JordiGH> rant <3
• 1579[19:26:39] <Longo> omg i bet compiz is amazing these days
• 1580[19:26:58] <JordiGH> Haha, no.
• 1581[19:27:01] <rant> well the settings daemon I know is responsible for theming and such and is the only other thing besides the session manager itself that is monitoring anything
• 1582[19:27:03] <JordiGH> It's essentially dead.
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• 1584[19:27:10] <Longo> i remember trying out compiz-fusion back in the day, and it just blew me away. and it was so useful, actually, as a teenager i loved and adopted that shit into my very being
• 1585[19:27:12] <rant> but historically the wm would control keybindings
• 1586[19:27:18] <Longo> then i tried XFCE and forgot all about it
• 1587[19:27:33] <Longo> i left a lot of things behind... after xfce...
• 1588[19:27:39] <JordiGH> I wish people had realised that compiz is actually useful, not just pretty.
• 1589[19:27:41] <rant> I never found anything USEFUL in compiz.. heh.. it was cool looking, thats about it
• 1590[19:27:55] <JordiGH> The grouping plugin, the scale and expo plugins, the zoom plugin, the negative plugin...
• 1591[19:28:03] <rant> unless you were trying to get a tan on your lap by heating up your laptop.. then maybe it'd be useful
• 1592[19:28:05] <JordiGH> It's got a lot of stuff that's useful for managing and looking at windows.
• 1593[19:28:06] <Longo> yeah but seriously, it's the most sane way of doing multiple desktops for some people
• 1594[19:28:17] <peaceguy> :D
• 1595[19:28:17] <peaceguy> i have problem with my input
• 1596[19:28:17] <peaceguy> on desktop when i plug in headphones/monitor they don't work
• 1597[19:28:17] <peaceguy> so no music
• 1598[19:28:18] <peaceguy> lol
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• 1600[19:28:25] <Longo> i hate the virtual desktop. i really liked that i could "physically" flick between them. i dont know
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• 1602[19:28:50] <peaceguy> sorry
• 1603[19:28:55] <peaceguy> something happened
• 1604[19:28:59] <peaceguy> sorry
• 1605[19:29:11] <Longo> lol, hehe
• 1606[19:29:20] <n4dir> come one. saying wobbling windows wouldn't be useful sure is a stretch
• 1607[19:29:23] <peaceguy> what flood?
• 1608[19:29:25] <peaceguy> lol
• 1609[19:29:42] <peaceguy> haha lol wobbling windows i use openbox :D
• 1610[19:30:03] <JordiGH> peaceguy: Are you high?
• 1611[19:30:05] <Longo> haha, i forgot that part. 101 ways to wobble a sheet of glass. god so many hours of my youth..
• 1612[19:30:08] <JordiGH> 'Cause I wish I was.
• 1613[19:30:18] <uxfi> hello
• 1614[19:30:21] <n4dir> Longo: hours? months ...
• 1615[19:30:44] <peaceguy> no
• 1616[19:30:51] <peaceguy> why do you think that?
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• 1618[19:31:52] <Longo> i don't know man. i was in a settings trace for what seemed like years
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• 1620[19:32:06] <Longo> who knows how much time goes by when you have spinnung winduz
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• 1622[19:32:24] <rant> you might also be interested in..
• 1623[19:32:29] <rant> ,info tdfm
• 1624[19:32:30] <judd> No package named 'tdfm' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 1626[19:32:49] <Longo> Someone asked a legitimate question about how to find out what software controls the media button actions, and i felt that was lost in the convo
• 1627[19:32:52] <rant> hmm..
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• 1630[19:34:22] <rant> guess we have s3dfm now but tdfm seems to be gone
• 1631[19:34:56] <n4dir> ah, the 3d filemanager? rant
• 1632[19:35:22] <n4dir> well: the name seems to already indicate i am right. Tright it, but didn't work well
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• 1634[19:36:00] <n4dir> on another note a friend just informed me that icewm has kinda tiling options too. I forgot the details how to set it up though.
• 1635[19:36:15] <n4dir> not that i would care for tiling ...
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• 1637[19:37:23] <rant> idk used to be one I swear was called tdfm.. looked better than the screenshot of this s3dfm
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• 1640[19:37:36] <rant> googling and checking pdo however is making me feel insane
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• 1645[19:39:09] <Longo> I have "dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_20180825+dfsg-1_all.deb ; apt-get install -f" 'd the wifi drivers
• 1646[19:39:12] <Longo> from usb
• 1647[19:39:37] <Longo> but now i realise i have to set the wifi up manually, and this is a minimal install because i didn't have the internet during installation :/
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• 1651[19:41:14] <LtL> Longo: you'll need to reboot to load that firmware most likely.
• 1652[19:41:15] <Longo> Does anyone know of a good tutorial to figure all this stuff out? I mean, do i need to reboot now i installed the drivers? :P
• 1653[19:41:26] <Longo> ah, ok, haha, i was thinking
• 1654[19:42:01] <LtL> Longo: why the -f fix broken package business?
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• 1656[19:42:54] <LtL> Longo: previous wifi packages?
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• 1658[19:45:02] <LtL> Longo: anyway, that firmware should work on most intel wifi chipsets, works on my t-530 lenovo intel wifi.
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• 1660[19:45:58] <Longo> ah, it never booted back up -_-
• 1661[19:46:08] <Longo> it sits at a flashing "_"
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• 1663[19:46:15] <Longo> After the grub screen
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• 1665[19:47:06] <Longo> I think it's because my boot disk isn't my first hard drive in the SATA heirarchy
• 1666[19:48:02] <LtL> Longo: probably fix that in BIOS
• 1667[19:48:07] <Longo> oh
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• 1669[19:48:21] <Longo> that would be way better than opening up the case, i'll try i!
• 1670[19:48:26] <Longo> thanks again!
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• 1672[19:48:47] <LtL> Longo: welcome sir
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• 1810[21:19:40] <Psy-Q> on an upgrade from stretch to buster, can i prevent installation of that nvidia driver uninstaller that pops up?
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• 1814[21:23:50] <Psy-Q> otherwise i just purge it after the upgrade's done :)
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• 1816[21:24:20] <annadane> what nvidia driver uninstaller
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• 1823[21:26:53] <Psy-Q> when you upgrade, it installs some detection and uninstall script that tries to uninstall the proprietary nvidia driver installed via nvidia installer. "nvidia-installer-cleanup"
• 1824[21:27:01] <Psy-Q> it installed itself unbidden and wanted to remove my driver
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• 1826[21:27:47] <Psy-Q> and the upgrade couldn't continue unless i agreed to uninstall the driver (it would error out at that package)
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• 1828[21:28:26] <annadane> you can try #debian-next on the irc.oftc.net network unless someone knows the answer here, this chan is mainly for stabe
• 1829[21:28:28] <annadane> stable*
• 1830[21:28:36] <Psy-Q> ah ok, thank you!
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• 1832[21:29:41] <annadane> because i'm not sure i can answer that question simply, otherwise i would, it's not that i'm refusing to help because the question is about testing, we do sometimes answer those questions in here (and direct people to the other channel/network if the question becomes more complex)
• 1833[21:29:52] <annadane> Psy-Q, or you can apt hold nvidia-installer-cleanup
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• 1835[21:30:06] <annadane> er
• 1836[21:30:08] <annadane> apt-mark hold
• 1837[21:30:30] <annadane> but in your case that may not do it
• 1838[21:31:08] <Psy-Q> alright, thank you. i understand, i asked the question over there and will see what happens. i'll read up about hold too, i usually don't (knowingly) have held packages
• 1839[21:31:36] <rant> the nvidia driver will have to be upgraded or uninstalled
• 1840[21:32:04] <rant> ordinarily I'd be all for tossing an exit 0 at top of a script in a package to ignore its errors.. but this isnt a case where that'll work
• 1841[21:32:12] <Psy-Q> hmm, it's currently installed via nvidia-installer and there's no newer version in the repos for it to upgrade to
• 1842[21:32:39] <Psy-Q> maybe i'll just let it install what it wants, purge it afterwards and then upgrade to the newer driver again when all is done, could be safer
• 1843[21:32:50] <rant> yes well no matter how its installed the thing is your X/Wayland and Kernel are gonna change and the driver will no longer be binary compatible with the system
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• 1845[21:33:11] <Psy-Q> ah, that's a point. i was going to reinstall it from the installer anyway afterwards, but that makes sense
• 1846[21:33:14] <rant> doesnt matter if its newest, it must be recompiled against the new kernel
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• 1849[21:34:43] <Psy-Q> thanks! :)
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• 1858[21:40:37] <Longo> Hi all :)
• 1859[21:41:03] <Longo> When i try to format a disk using "Disks", my screen goes glitchy and the system hangs
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• 1861[21:41:27] <Longo> Any.... any ideas?
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• 1864[21:42:29] <SerajewelKS> get you get to a tty with ctrl+alt+f1?
• 1865[21:42:34] <SerajewelKS> (after the hang)
• 1866[21:42:39] <SerajewelKS> assuming this disk is not currently mounted?
• 1867[21:42:51] <SerajewelKS> can* you get
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• 1875[21:45:20] <Longo> rebooting, one second :)
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• 1877[21:46:35] <Longo> ok trying again
• 1878[21:46:38] <rant> windows refugees..
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• 1883[21:47:02] <Longo> hm
• 1884[21:47:08] <rant> you realize that unless its absolutely necessary (almost never is), rebooting makes troubleshooting way harder
• 1885[21:47:09] <Longo> this time... it just worked.
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• 1887[21:47:28] <Longo> rant - haha, yeah that would make sense :P
• 1888[21:48:54] <Longo> ok trying again with an encrypted partition.
• 1889[21:49:12] <Longo> "SMART is not enabled" - cheeky
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• 1895[21:51:43] <Longo> ok the colours are back, but i have a mouse this time
• 1896[21:51:54] <Longo> now everything is black
• 1897[21:51:58] <Longo> (except mouse)
• 1898[21:52:23] <Longo> By moving the mouse slightly, i can see the cursor icon change as i move over things - presumably things on the desktop
• 1899[21:52:52] <Longo> Ctrl+Alt+F1 resulted in my mouse dissappearin
• 1900[21:52:57] <Longo> now everything is black
• 1901[21:53:06] <Longo> i am scared to click
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• 1904[21:53:23] <Longo> i am scared to clicknumlock works
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• 1907[21:53:29] <Longo> *Numlock works
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• 1911[21:54:23] <Longo> so its probably the screensaver
• 1912[21:54:40] <Longo> I will reboot and disable that and see what hapoens
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• 1924[22:02:01] <Hauke> I would like to contribute some improvements to some debian packages, but do not want to take over maintainership, where do I find the process for drive by contributions?
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• 1942[22:12:36] <at0m> Hauke: replaced-url
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• 1948[22:14:07] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1949[22:14:16] <annadane> i feel like there's a better answer for this...
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• 1951[22:15:02] <KNERD> Anyone knwo what happened to the transcode application? Seems the site for it has been taken over by another replaced-url
• 1952[22:15:27] <KNERD> And not available in the Stretch repo
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• 1959[22:16:28] <at0m> !tell annadane about developer
• 1960[22:16:38] <at0m> annande: that isnt of much use either
• 1961[22:16:55] <n4dir> Hauke: best might be to get in contact with one of the projects, like python, perl, and so on (depending what kind of packages you exactly want to help with)
• 1962[22:17:01] <annadane> AFAIK anyone can contribute to salsa? i had thought the process was open
• 1963[22:17:04] <n4dir> probably via IRC or mailing list
• 1964[22:17:42] <n4dir> the other option would be to send bug reports and proposing how a package may be improved.
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• 1966[22:17:51] <n4dir> not "the" other, but another.
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• 1987[22:27:48] <Longo> hi hi
• 1988[22:28:13] <Longo> so it seems that if i format this secondary, 3TB hard drive with ext4, everything is fine
• 1989[22:28:37] <Longo> if i LUKS + ext4, i get this crash after about 7 seconds of whatever it's doing
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• 1991[22:29:07] <Longo> It could be the hard drive is bad, as i only just recently bought it so who knows
• 1992[22:29:09] <SerajewelKS> can you be more specific than "this crash"
• 1993[22:29:11] <wr> if i have two network managers installed like wicd and gnome will that cause any problems?
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• 1995[22:30:04] <Longo> SerajewelKS: sorry - the screen goes glitchy, changes colour. the mouse still sort of works. a few seconds later the mouse stops working, and so does the shift/num/capslock keys, so the system is totally hung
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• 1997[22:30:32] <Longo> And it seems to happen whenever I format with LUKS
• 1998[22:30:51] <SerajewelKS> sounds like your motherboard, PCI bus, or USB bus might be defective
• 1999[22:30:59] <Longo> ah poop
• 2000[22:31:10] <Longo> you're probably right
• 2001[22:31:19] <SerajewelKS> hard to say without looking at the system, but doing I/O to a USB disk shouldn't cause the display to freak out, ever
• 2002[22:31:53] <SerajewelKS> FWIW i had similar issues awhile ago and it turns out that my motherboard was making contact with my case and shorting
• 2003[22:31:57] <Longo> the whole system crashes. And the reason im installing stuff right now is that the system was previously b0rked after being pulled out of storage
• 2004[22:32:02] <SerajewelKS> might be worth making sure you have spreaders
• 2005[22:32:11] <Longo> all the clues point to an expensive fix.
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• 2007[22:32:14] <SerajewelKS> taking out all the components and reseating everything, looking for shorts
• 2008[22:32:35] <Longo> hm, yeah i'll do that as the next course of action
• 2009[22:32:41] <SerajewelKS> was the storage temperature-controller?
• 2010[22:32:45] <SerajewelKS> controlled*
• 2011[22:32:48] <Longo> there's a lot packed into this little computer
• 2012[22:32:53] <SerajewelKS> perhaps the system got too hot in storage?
• 2013[22:33:37] <SerajewelKS> if the drive just stopped working then i would suspect the drive, but the display/mouse having issues smells of a motherboard issue
• 2014[22:33:37] <Longo> it could have changed temperature dramatically. it was left in the garage over winter last year
• 2015[22:34:03] <Longo> It's an old machine. Perhaps the best thing to do is just buy a new mobo and move on with my life
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• 2017[22:34:16] <SerajewelKS> could be
• 2018[22:34:35] <SerajewelKS> generally if a computer is doing weird things that don't make sense, i suspect the motherboard
• 2019[22:34:37] <Longo> Here is a perhaps more interesting question, on the assumption i have a working system, it's purpose is to store the CCTV footage
• 2020[22:35:02] <Longo> Which is why i wanted the boot and storage drives to be encrypted, encase they get stolen and that video is somehow useful
• 2021[22:35:19] <Longo> or who knows what
• 2022[22:35:31] <SerajewelKS> you can't really encrypt /boot but you can encrypt / if you have a separate /boot
• 2023[22:35:36] <SerajewelKS> grub needs some way to load the kernel
• 2024[22:36:34] <Longo> but i guess an unencrypted boot with auto-decryption/mount is, like, no good?
• 2025[22:36:50] <Longo> frowned upon, but the long frowny faces of #security
• 2026[22:37:02] <SerajewelKS> the only way for encryption to really make sense is if a human enters the password during boot
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• 2028[22:37:11] <Longo> yeah
• 2029[22:37:12] <SerajewelKS> otherwise, the machine needs the key accessible, unencrypted
• 2030[22:37:19] <SerajewelKS> at which point the encryption is pointless
• 2031[22:37:34] <Longo> hm
• 2032[22:37:35] <SerajewelKS> like taping your front door key to your front door
• 2033[22:37:44] <Longo> hidden in plain sight
• 2034[22:37:50] <Longo> hehe, but i see what you're saying
• 2035[22:37:55] <Longo> i can't have my cake and eat it
• 2036[22:37:57] <SerajewelKS> except you can't hide it :)
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• 2038[22:38:12] <Longo> lol, just "in plain sight" :P hehe, ok
• 2039[22:38:27] <SerajewelKS> because the kernel needs to know where the key is to boot. which means you have to tell it. which means you could easily find it in the grub config file.
• 2040[22:38:41] <Longo> perhaps there could be two systems, one for auto-booting and storing data enencrypted, used following a power-cut in the middle of the night, for example
• 2041[22:38:42] <Hauke> at0m: n4dir: thanks, I will read through the links
• 2042[22:38:48] <Longo> and another for the encryption when someone gets there
• 2043[22:39:04] <Longo> selected manually via grub
• 2044[22:39:19] <Longo> but i don't think the CMS for managing the cameras will like that -_-:
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• 2046[22:39:37] <Longo> Sorry API not CMS
• 2047[22:39:43] <Longo> or... web... interface
• 2048[22:39:43] <SerajewelKS> it would be better to just have the system running on a UPS
• 2049[22:39:51] <Longo> oh
• 2050[22:39:55] <Longo> yeah it would
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• 2052[22:40:17] <Longo> and it only draws like 150W for all the cameras, and whatever the PC needs to store the data
• 2053[22:40:35] <Longo> I could do the UPS math to see if its in my budget
• 2054[22:40:43] <SerajewelKS> right, so just get a sufficiently large UPS to absorb a power cut of the desired lingth
• 2055[22:40:46] <SerajewelKS> length
• 2056[22:41:13] <SerajewelKS> bonus points, if the UPS battery falls to 50%, have it call/text someone responsible for the system
• 2057[22:41:45] <SerajewelKS> see nut-server in debian
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• 2059[22:42:19] <Longo> awesome! thanks a lot SerajewelKS :D
• 2060[22:42:23] <SerajewelKS> np
• 2061[22:42:26] <Longo> thats a way better solution
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• 2068[22:46:29] <Longo> I'm scared of buying a UPS that doesn't play well with Debian
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• 2071[22:47:00] <Longo> also why do they all have ethernet ports in them? the blurb says "to keep your internet up in a storm". how on earth does that work o_o
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• 2073[22:48:13] <SerajewelKS> the ethernet ports are, IIRC, for surge protection
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• 2075[22:48:38] <SerajewelKS> e.g. if you have a cable modem, you can surge protect the power to the modem but the cable line won't be protected
• 2076[22:48:57] <SerajewelKS> if the UPS has a pair of coax connectors, that's surge protection for the cable line. pass it through the UPS.
• 2077[22:49:08] <SerajewelKS> otherwise, you can pass the network cable from the modem through the UPS to your router
• 2078[22:49:30] <SerajewelKS> that way if there is a surge on the cable line, it might fry your modem, but the UPS will protect the router and the rest of the network from the surge
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• 2080[22:50:29] <Longo> oh, okay thats pretty neat
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• 2118[23:08:48] <annadane> hmm, the gnome metapackage has inkscape in Depends, why is it not installed then?
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• 2123[23:12:03] <annadane> oh, i'm an idiot. i installed gnome-core, not gnome
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• 2145[23:24:50] <factor> When I try to use the docker-ce package for Debian it says it needs to be on btrfs, does nay package exist for other fs say ext4?
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• 2161[23:34:45] <peaceguy> ///cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda6 dev/mapper/name /mnt
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• 2163[23:34:51] <peaceguy> gives
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• 2165[23:35:01] <peaceguy> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda6 dev/mapper/name /mnt
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• 2167[23:35:09] <peaceguy> Cannot use device /dev/sda6 which is in use (already mapped or mounted).
• 2168[23:35:49] <SerajewelKS> okay, so the volume has already been unlocked
• 2169[23:36:00] <peaceguy> yes it's mounted
• 2170[23:36:01] <rant> give output of lsblk on paste.debian.net
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• 2172[23:36:05] <peaceguy> i want to use it as home
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• 2174[23:36:27] <rant> then unmount it from /mnt and mount it to /home or bind mount it
• 2175[23:36:42] <peaceguy> wait if i mount it in /home
• 2176[23:36:46] <peaceguy> it will be used as home?
• 2177[23:36:49] <peaceguy> for existing user?
• 2178[23:37:00] <SerajewelKS> you will have to migrate all existing data over to it
• 2179[23:37:10] <SerajewelKS> and configure /etc/fstab to mount it automatically. but yes.
• 2180[23:37:13] <rant> provided you make homedirs for the user and the permissions for those dirs are accessible to that user
• 2181[23:37:25] <peaceguy> i installed
• 2182[23:37:34] <peaceguy> reinstalled * so that home is in /
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• 2184[23:37:55] <peaceguy> replaced-url
• 2185[23:38:01] <peaceguy> lsblk ^^
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• 2187[23:38:24] <rant> so switch to tty1, login as root, stop lightdm or any other DM, logout any users, move contents of /home to /mnt (where you have sda6 mounted
• 2188[23:38:33] <rant> then unmount /mnt and remount it to /home
• 2189[23:38:38] <rant> restart lightdm or w/e
• 2190[23:38:44] <peaceguy> w/e?
• 2191[23:38:48] <rant> whatever
• 2192[23:38:50] <peaceguy> ok
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• 2194[23:39:19] <rant> lightdm is prob most common these days but I have no way of know which if any of our dozen or more display managers you may be using
• 2195[23:39:31] <peaceguy> yes it's lightdm
• 2196[23:39:44] <rant> service lightdm stop
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• 2199[23:39:50] <peaceguy> ok thanks
• 2200[23:39:52] <rant> will hell ensure no users are logged in right now
• 2201[23:39:57] <rant> help*
• 2202[23:40:09] <peaceguy> ok
• 2203[23:40:10] <peaceguy> but
• 2204[23:40:25] <peaceguy> move contents of existing home
• 2205[23:40:26] <peaceguy> where?
• 2206[23:40:35] <peaceguy> sorry i didnt understand correctly
• 2207[23:40:37] <rant> you never did what I asked so idk
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• 2210[23:40:55] <peaceguy> but where?
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• 2212[23:41:01] <rant> we are assuming you have a cryptfs to become /home on sda6 and its mounted on /mnt
• 2213[23:41:08] <rant> if you'd pasted output of lsblk we wouldnt have to assume
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• 2215[23:41:17] <peaceguy> replaced-url
• 2216[23:41:22] <peaceguy> lsblk ^^
• 2217[23:41:35] <rant> oh ok.. well I'm half asleep then :P
• 2218[23:41:39] <rant> you did say that already
• 2219[23:41:41] <peaceguy> it doesn't matter where it's mounted
• 2220[23:41:44] <peaceguy> i want to use it
• 2221[23:41:45] <peaceguy> as home
• 2222[23:41:52] <peaceguy> that partiton
• 2223[23:41:54] <rant> it matters if you are unclear on the commands
• 2224[23:41:56] <peaceguy> and not home in /
• 2225[23:41:59] <peaceguy> ok
• 2226[23:42:11] <peaceguy> i did the thing in /etc/fstab
• 2227[23:42:13] <peaceguy> cant boot lol
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• 2229[23:42:17] <peaceguy> so i deleted that line
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• 2231[23:42:25] <rant> lsblk isnt showing this as being mounted currently
• 2232[23:42:31] <peaceguy> true
• 2233[23:42:38] <rant> and for a cryptfs you need both fstab and crypttab entries
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• 2235[23:42:45] <peaceguy> still cant mount using cryptsetup
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• 2237[23:42:57] <rant> cryptsetup is more for opening/closing/formatting
• 2238[23:43:00] <peaceguy> what should a crypttab entry look like?
• 2239[23:43:03] <peaceguy> oh ok
• 2240[23:43:05] <rant> you have the device open, now you have to mount it with mount
• 2241[23:43:12] <peaceguy> ok
• 2242[23:43:13] <peaceguy> but
• 2243[23:43:19] <rant> here is how this works.. lets back up make sure you understand this much..
• 2244[23:43:20] <peaceguy> i cant open it using cryptsetup
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• 2246[23:43:27] <peaceguy> ok
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• 2248[23:43:52] <rant> luks is creating an encrypted container on a physical volume.. and then when that container is opened (decrypted) the system can create a filesystem or mount that filesystem
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• 2250[23:44:04] <peaceguy> ok
• 2251[23:44:14] <rant> it does this by taking the physical volume sda6 and mapping it to a chosen mapper name i.e. /dev/mapper/mycrypt
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• 2253[23:44:22] <peaceguy> ok
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• 2255[23:44:33] <rant> sda6 is then still the physical disk, but its not redable by anything but luks
• 2256[23:44:39] <peaceguy> yes /dev/mapper/mycrypt is the faulty part of that command
• 2257[23:44:45] <peaceguy> ok
• 2258[23:44:55] <rant> /dev/mapper/mycrypt is now the unencrypted opened volume containing a readable fs
• 2259[23:45:02] <peaceguy> ok
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• 2261[23:45:14] <rant> so the crypttab contains the part where it mapps the physical sda6 to /dev/mapper/crypt
• 2262[23:45:27] <rant> and the ftab contains the part where /dev/mapper/crypt becomes /home
• 2263[23:45:41] <rant> i.e. crypttab does what cryptsetup does and fstab does what mount does
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• 2265[23:46:01] <rant> you need both for it to work
• 2266[23:46:07] <peaceguy> ok
• 2267[23:46:16] <peaceguy> so i just need entries in the two files
• 2268[23:46:23] <peaceguy> and those 2 commands
• 2269[23:46:23] <peaceguy> ?
• 2270[23:46:55] <rant> you dont need those commands once you've got the crypttab and fstab setup..
• 2271[23:46:59] <peaceguy> ok
• 2272[23:47:00] <peaceguy> ok
• 2273[23:47:02] <peaceguy> thank you
• 2274[23:47:07] <rant> you only need to cryptsetup and mount for time being to migrate data
• 2275[23:47:14] <peaceguy> ok but
• 2276[23:47:16] <peaceguy> you mean
• 2277[23:47:22] <peaceguy> migrate to home that is in / partition?
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• 2279[23:47:31] <rant> systemd will take care of mounting it at boot once its entered in crypttab and fstab
• 2280[23:47:32] <peaceguy> i dont need to migrate i want to use the current one
• 2281[23:47:37] <peaceguy> ok
• 2282[23:47:48] <rant> yes, you're migrating from the rootfs to the cryptfs
• 2283[23:47:53] <peaceguy> ok
• 2284[23:48:00] <peaceguy> let's make it clear
• 2285[23:48:01] <rant> so you can mount the cryptfs onto the rootfs in place of existing /home
• 2286[23:48:04] <peaceguy> it's not moving of files?
• 2287[23:48:10] <rant> it IS moving files
• 2288[23:48:17] <peaceguy> to another partition?
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• 2290[23:48:30] <rant> you will mount the crypt mapper /dev/mapper/mycrypt onto /mnt temporarily
• 2291[23:48:36] <peaceguy> ok
• 2292[23:48:40] <rant> then move /home/* to /mnt/
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• 2294[23:48:49] <peaceguy> ok
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• 2296[23:49:24] <rant> so that when you unmount /mnt and enter the device in crypttab and fstab and tell it to open that container, and mount its containing fs onto /home the data will be as it was
• 2297[23:49:35] <rant> but now on an encrypted volume inside a luks container
• 2298[23:49:46] <peaceguy> the result will be
• 2299[23:49:59] <peaceguy> the existing /home used as home dir for the user?
• 2300[23:50:15] <rant> yes the userland will not know the difference
• 2301[23:50:16] <TTT> hi, I'm running firefox on Sid, v62.0.3. I have uBlock origin & privacy badger addons, nothing else. It used to run fine, until maybe ~1 month/several weeks ago. Now I do anything, I get spinning disk, or very unresponsive UI. Maybe firefox itself got upgraded, maybe something else, I'm not sure
• 2302[23:50:25] <peaceguy> ok thank you
• 2303[23:50:26] <rant> fwiw and not to confuse you, but you don't actually need a partition or physical disk for a container.. a file can be a luks container
• 2304[23:50:35] <peaceguy> it's late i need to sleep, i will back to this tomorrow
• 2305[23:50:37] <peaceguy> return*
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• 2308[23:51:08] <rant> TTT: or maybe you're running sid, and something is buggy..
• 2309[23:51:10] <rant> !next
• 2310[23:51:10] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2311[23:51:15] <rant> !debian-next
• 2312[23:51:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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