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• 4[00:00:45] <outoftime> bluenemo: so article replaced-url
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• 6[00:01:18] <bluenemo> hm. i see. I would have thought they were addressing all writes to resolv.conf
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• 8[00:02:05] <bluenemo> now I have # grep resolv /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/01_debian_cloud.cfg -> manage_resolv_conf: false lets see if that is picked up by cloud-init
• 9[00:02:14] <bluenemo> (which i think also does things during runtime)
• 10[00:02:48] <outoftime> bluenemo: can you provide link to docs?
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• 12[00:04:15] <bluenemo> outoftime, I found it here: # cat /etc/cloud/templates/resolv.conf.tmpl -> ## template:jinja \n # Your system has been configured with 'manage-resolv-conf' set to true.
• 13[00:04:16] <bluenemo>
• 14[00:04:40] <bluenemo> that "manage" sounded familiar so i thought I'd try that. it works for manage_etc_hosts
• 15[00:05:22] <bluenemo> after setting that and shutting down and booting again (because of another thing i didnt reboot) it seems to work so far.. but i'll keep an eye open.. sometimes it takes a while
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• 21[00:08:01] <Noldorin> hmm, is there any way to get the USB ID from a /dev/name ?
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• 23[00:09:26] <outoftime> bluenemo: tail -f works?
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• 26[00:10:14] <outoftime> Noldorin: replaced-url
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• 28[00:11:44] <Noldorin> outoftime, not quite. I want the ID of the form e.g. 1-1.1.1:1.0
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• 30[00:13:00] <outoftime> Noldorin: I'm now sure what you are talking about except VID:PID pair
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• 34[00:13:47] <Noldorin> outoftime, the directory names under /sys/bus/usb/devices/ are USB (bus) IDs... I want to get that, corresponding to a /dev/name (or failing that, corresponding to a VID:PID pair or equivalent)
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• 42[00:16:06] <bluenemo> sry my internet went away outoftime (in case you wrote sth before me saying "after setting..")
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• 45[00:17:34] <outoftime> bluenemo: just asked if tail -f shows changes in resolv.conf
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• 47[00:18:27] <outoftime> Noldorin: IMHO this is not debian question (OS), but linux question (kernel)
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• 49[00:18:38] <bluenemo> tail -f ? on syslog
• 50[00:18:39] <bluenemo> ?
• 51[00:18:59] <outoftime> bluenemo: no, on resolv.conf
• 52[00:19:46] <bluenemo> but tail -f wont show what process writes to it, does it?
• 53[00:19:56] <Noldorin> outoftime, yes, probably...
• 54[00:22:54] <outoftime> Noldorin: it is about mapping stuff, you probably will not found any docs in debian wiki. Just ask about mapping in #linux channel.
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• 56[00:23:56] <outoftime> bluenemo: no, it will not, it just confirms the fast at realtime
• 57[00:23:57] <Noldorin> okay sure, thanks
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• 61[00:25:32] <outoftime> Noldorin: last question was pretty clear, you can repeat it
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• 64[00:27:33] <Noldorin> outoftime, already got a reply, cheers
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• 68[00:31:12] <Nematocyst> I need to have both libfreetype6-dev and libfreetype6-dev:i386 at the same time. installing one removes the other and vice versa. how to correct this? (amd64 and i386 arch both added)
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• 75[00:34:08] <somiaj> Nematocyst: multiarch only works for binary libaries (not the headers). You can't have both installed at the same time.
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• 77[00:34:33] <somiaj> Nematocyst: is your goal to build something that depends on 32bit libfreetype or something that depends on 64bit. I personally have a clean 32bit chroot and clean 64bit chroot I use for building just for htis reason.
• 78[00:34:50] <Nematocyst> somiaj, yes, building wine
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• 80[00:35:25] <somiaj> are you trying to build a 32bit wine on a 64bit host?
• 81[00:35:34] <somiaj> Or are you trying to build a WoW64 build
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• 83[00:36:02] <somiaj> I build wine all the itme, but I use a clean 32bit chroot and only build a 32bit wine. I don't build a WoW64 wine.
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• 85[00:36:13] <Nematocyst> somiaj, i'm not sure. i want to test a patch in gdi32. using a testcase that is a 32-bit app
• 86[00:36:35] <somiaj> Nematocyst: also any reason why you are building wine, the winehq.org packages are actually quite good. Ahh you want to test a patch
• 87[00:36:41] <somiaj> I would just build a 32bit vresion of wine in a 32bit chroot.
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• 90[00:37:27] <somiaj> Nematocyst: replaced-url
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• 92[00:37:39] <Nematocyst> somiaj ok, thank you. spent too many hours on this toady, but i think i understand the issue fully now
• 93[00:37:40] <somiaj> that is a little dated, but those are some old notes for building a .deb package from a custom wine build in a 32bit chroot
• 94[00:38:00] <somiaj> I use to do that before debian and winehq started providing better wine packages. Now I just use the winehq packages
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• 99[00:42:00] <annadane> question about headers, do you need to restart after you install those? i just ask because i installed nvidia-driver from backports, it previously complained about missing headers, i installed those without rebooting and then the driver installed fine
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• 120[00:49:44] <annadane> also i guess i'll mention i have multiarch and installed headers-4.9.0-8-amd64 and not 4.9.0.8-all, i wonder if i should have installed the latter
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• 127[00:52:05] <annadane> apt didn't *complain*, in any event
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• 142[01:08:51] <annadane> well anyway i think i did it correctly
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• 154[01:17:35] <rcm888> outoftime, no sound
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• 160[01:22:32] <rcm888> no hdmi sound!
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• 162[01:23:17] <simbalion> Can someone explain to me what 'pulseaudio' does besides crashing and breaking things? Is it possible to run a debian system using ALSA alone?
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• 165[01:25:05] <rcm888> simbalion, replaced-url
• 166[01:25:43] <simbalion> rcm888: I don't know what that is?
• 167[01:25:48] <rcm888> no hdmi sound debian 9
• 168[01:25:59] <rcm888> 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u5 (2018-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 169[01:26:06] <rcm888> replaced-url
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• 174[01:27:10] <phogg> simbalion: it's possible, sure. A lot of things expect pulse but almost all of them work with also, too. For the rest there's apulse.
• 175[01:27:18] <phogg> s/also/alsa/
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• 181[01:31:40] <rcm888> pringau, read above
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• 192[01:42:28] <simbalion> phogg: Thanks
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• 196[01:44:50] <rcm888> why dmesg shows HDMI-A-1 where as xrandr shows HDMI-A-0 ???
• 197[01:45:15] <rcm888> whadda....
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• 240[02:11:12] <annadane> question about headers, do you need to restart after you install those? i just ask because i installed nvidia-driver from backports, it previously complained about missing headers, i installed those without rebooting and then the driver installed fine - and should i have installed headers-4.9.0-8-all instead of amd64 because i have multiarch enabled?
• 241[02:11:40] <annadane> or 4.9.0-8-i386 in addition, i guess
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• 255[02:18:04] <dvs> annadane, you shouldn't have to reboot after installing headers
• 256[02:18:25] <annadane> dvs, okay. and as for multiarch?
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• 258[02:19:00] <dvs> I'd install the i386 (not all)
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• 261[02:20:04] <annadane> hmm the only i386 package is linux-headers-4.9.0-8-all-i386
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• 277[02:28:39] <rant> anyone know how I might PERMANENTLY disable notifications and location and such in chromium? This is my damn web browser not a f'n cell phone.. I dont want these features.. ever.
• 278[02:29:07] <rant> has been royally pissing me off and the number of sites I wont visit anymore are growing exponentially :P
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• 285[02:33:12] <l1nuxg33k> Delete chromium
• 286[02:33:16] <l1nuxg33k> ?
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• 290[02:35:33] <rant> yeah I'm thinkin it may be time for a new browser
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• 292[02:35:44] <rant> one that doesnt give away so much power to web devs
• 293[02:36:12] <rant> I dont want sites to know if I'm lookin at em or not, where I am, send me notifications, etc..
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• 296[02:36:35] <rant> I think of websites like a news paper.. I look at the page.. it doesnt look at me :P
• 297[02:36:59] <rant> this soviet russia internet is getting on my nerves :P
• 298[02:37:48] <rant> in soviet russian, website views YOU!
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• 301[02:39:31] <dvs> ...and so do I!
• 302[02:39:59] <rant> well.. thats unfortunate..
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• 304[02:40:05] <rant> I did wipe front to back though..
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• 310[02:47:04] <Resilience> what's the difference between having exim installed and not having it as inhternal mail system? wat more can I do/know with exim?
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• 312[02:48:32] <somiaj> exim can be a full mta, but in many setups it is just a local mta only (for things like cron)
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• 314[02:48:43] <somiaj> you can set up exim to do lots of things. I have it setup to forward my mail through my gmail account.
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• 317[02:52:42] <Resilience> somiaj, yes, I know I can do it, bu I was asking about,whay good is for me running as a local MTA? cron can send me email, and waht else does it for me?
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• 324[02:59:25] <rcm888> no hdmi sound debian 9; 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u5 (2018-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux; replaced-url
• 325[03:02:41] <rant> rcm888: are you using pulseaudio?
• 326[03:03:01] <rcm888> rant, how to check?
• 327[03:03:50] <rcm888> default codec gone at all
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• 329[03:04:01] <rant> rcm888: if you installed a DE like MATE or Gnome or such, you probably are using pulseaudio if you dont know better
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• 332[03:04:21] <rant> it'd be a running process..
• 333[03:04:23] <rcm888> rant, xfce
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• 335[03:04:55] <rant> I ask because if you use pulseaudio, you'd select your card that way.. if not, you need to create an alsa config file to do it
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• 337[03:05:08] <rcm888> rant, /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
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• 339[03:05:18] <rant> yes well then you can just use their GUI
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• 341[03:05:54] <rcm888> rant, no sount
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• 344[03:07:08] <rant> I'm not sure what xfce uses, in mate its mate-volume-control which I find a fairly decent pulseaudio control program
• 345[03:07:28] <rant> but you just need to select hdmi output as the default output device
• 346[03:07:49] <rcm888> rant, replaced-url
• 347[03:08:15] <rant> though you could still set it in an asoundrc or such even using pulse audio if you are going to be using this fairly permanently as your output
• 348[03:08:16] <rcm888> hdmi output is detected as plugged in, but no sound!!
• 349[03:08:28] <rant> I already read that
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• 351[03:08:40] <rant> just because its plugged in doesnt mean the sound subsystem is using it
• 352[03:08:44] <rcm888> I recently removed windows 10, there was hdmi sound, working well
• 353[03:09:00] <rcm888> rant, I directed it to use it
• 354[03:09:24] <rcm888> show: all streams. output: hdmi
• 355[03:10:09] <rcm888> I use opensource drivers
• 356[03:10:24] <rant> yeah nothing in your paste indicates your actual setup
• 357[03:10:27] <Resilience> does dpkg-reconfigure still exists?
• 358[03:10:29] <rant> thats all hw information
• 359[03:10:38] <rant> your problem is userland.. either config or mixer
• 360[03:10:59] <rant> which you're not looking at or listening to me when I tell you you have to select the right card :P
• 361[03:11:12] <rant> you're saying you have, but nothing you've shown or said demonstrates this
• 362[03:11:23] <rcm888> rant, playback tab: vlc output: ati hdmi...
• 363[03:11:37] <rant> vlc does not control your sound
• 364[03:11:57] <rcm888> rant, mixer payback tab
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• 366[03:12:06] <rant> wrong tab
• 367[03:12:28] <rcm888> rant, which is right one?
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• 369[03:12:39] <rant> on mate-volume-control its the output tab.. idk what you're using
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• 371[03:12:49] <rant> you select which hardware device to output the sound to
• 372[03:13:05] <rant> the mixer can still control cards not active
• 373[03:13:32] <rcm888> rant, dont worry, im experienced with that mixer. it doesnt work!
• 374[03:13:58] <rcm888> rant, how to know if card is active or not
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• 377[03:15:22] <rcm888> rant, can y9ou get in discord?
• 378[03:15:28] <rant> rcm888: first of all you check aplay -L which will tell you I'm sure that pulseaudio is your default sound card
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• 380[03:16:54] <rant> pactl info will tell you the current pulseaudio settings
• 381[03:17:10] <rant> this is the software side of things.. all the commands you ran were the hw side
• 382[03:17:24] <rant> this is not a hw issue, which you alreaady know cause you said it worked in win10
• 383[03:17:30] <rant> you're looking at the wrong end
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• 390[03:19:16] <rcm888> rant, replaced-url
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• 396[03:24:55] <rant> if its not too much trouble, please use paste.debian.net in the future here
• 397[03:25:03] <rant> this site got popups and shit that is really annoying
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• 399[03:25:59] <rant> and yes as I been trying to explain all along, the system is using pulseaudio which is in turn using the built in analog audio, not HDMI
• 400[03:26:01] <rcm888> rant, ok.
• 401[03:26:05] <Kadigan> One'd think uMatrix came as standard in today's times...
• 402[03:26:06] <rant> so you need to tell pulseaudio to use the HDMI
• 403[03:26:23] <rcm888> rant, how to do this?
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• 406[03:26:59] <rant> again, I'm not sure and I'm doing other things right now.. I'd go to the sound icon in my systray, right click, go to prefs, it'd bring up mate-volume-control and I'd go to the output tab
• 407[03:27:15] <rant> if you gimme some time I can find a DE agnostic way, probably using pactl
• 408[03:29:10] <rcm888> rant, I have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin 0.2.4 as mixer
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• 411[03:31:38] <rant> THE MIXER DOES NOT MATTER
• 412[03:31:59] <rant> install pavucontrol or something
• 413[03:32:04] <rant> if you want my short answer
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• 416[03:32:30] <rant> I at least have that, and its not DE specific, and similar to my mate-volume-control
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• 418[03:32:55] <rant> the issue here is that the PA mixer itself if outputting the the internal sound card as its default sink
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• 421[03:34:18] <rant> rcm888: replaced-url
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• 427[03:38:01] <rcm888> rant, 3 alsa_output.pci-0000_01_00.1.hdmi-stereo module-alsa-card.c s16le 2ch 44100Hz RUNNING
• 428[03:38:07] <rcm888> no sound
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• 431[03:39:05] <rant> yes well once ALSA points to PA and PA to HDMI, this is where you start looking at the mixer and app itself
• 432[03:39:22] <rant> check that the mixer and tv or w/e its hooked to are not muted
• 433[03:39:26] <rant> etc
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• 455[03:47:24] <rcm888> rant, I tried everything - didnt help
• 456[03:47:53] <rcm888> rant, it might be driver problem
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• 460[03:50:38] <rcm888> rant, if it doesnt work out of the box - it is not gonna work at all
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• 465[03:57:49] <rant> yeah, thats not true when it comes to something knowing to use a particular sound output
• 466[03:57:54] <rcm888> somebody help! No hdmi sound amd rx560, debian 9!
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• 468[04:01:39] <rcm888> rant, you may go in discord, i'll show
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• 471[04:02:37] <rcm888> 2
• 472[04:02:37] <rcm888> down vote
• 473[04:02:37] <rcm888> accepted
• 474[04:02:37] <rcm888> The proprietary driver stopped being updated a while ago and is no longer compatible with the X server used in Debian 9 (or in any other recent distribution — for example Ubuntu 16.04 and later aren’t supported either).
• 475[04:03:07] <rant> idk what the hell this discord is you keep talking about
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• 477[04:03:34] <rcm888> rant, I may cast screen there
• 478[04:04:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1235
• 479[04:04:08] <rant> you may.. but idk what it is.. nor do I care :P
• 480[04:04:38] <rcm888> rant, what you said didnt help
• 481[04:04:57] <rcm888> what am i doing wrong?
• 482[04:06:05] <rcm888> linux always had big problems with sound, espacially with mixing and outputs
• 483[04:07:03] <rcm888> impossible to screencast with game sound and voice sound. real mess is required to to that
• 484[04:08:19] <rant> just take it back to square one if you have to.. stop pulse, use only alsa utils.. get just alsa working first
• 485[04:08:33] <rant> aplay is a player as well.. can be used to play sounds as a test
• 486[04:08:47] <rant> setting asoundrc to the hdmi is fairly simple and easy to find on google
• 487[04:09:50] * rant wanders off
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• 514[04:40:37] <rcm888> rant, I didnt get that setting asoundrc to the hdm
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• 516[04:41:16] <rcm888> I have plughw:CARD=HDMI,DEV=3 HDA ATI HDMI, HDMI 0
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• 518[04:41:54] <rcm888> and aplay -D plughw: 3,0 1kHz_44100Hz_16bit_05sec.wav - says device busy
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• 522[04:53:03] <rcm888> so why the hell hdmi sound is not working?
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• 539[05:07:53] <rcm888> all works relatively good except sound
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• 546[05:10:18] <tharkun> Good $DAY I need to convert an opus file that contains some audio to mp3. What is my weapon of choice within debian. Googles is a prick and is only pointing me to on line converters.
• 547[05:12:32] <awal1> rcm888, what happens with your sound?
• 548[05:13:06] <n4dir> tharkun: i ain't got it installed so can't check, but look at pacpl
• 549[05:13:22] <awal1> tharkun, winff
• 550[05:13:33] <awal1> i personally use winff-gtk2
• 551[05:13:56] <rcm888> awal1, no hdmi sound at all, plugged in - detected, chosen, but no sound...
• 552[05:14:08] <awal1> pactl for convert audio files? n4dir
• 553[05:14:20] <n4dir> pacpl
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• 559[05:16:50] <awal1> ah pacpl, i thought you was referring to pactl, becoz that is for control pulseaudio; excuses, i misread you
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• 561[05:17:23] <n4dir> no problem. happens all the time. btw: i checked at packages.debian.org, and pacpl seems to work for opus.
• 562[05:17:27] <awal1> rcm888, chck if pulseaudio is installed and check stuff with pavucontrol
• 563[05:17:39] <awal1> winff should too
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• 565[05:18:27] <rcm888> awal1, I said - it all installed and detected, but no sound
• 566[05:19:18] <awal1> hm, i don't see opus listed in winff-gtk2 presets
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• 568[05:20:38] <awal1> rcm888, yep, verify with pavucontrol if something is mutted somewhere
• 569[05:21:20] <rcm888> awal1, it is not mutted anywhere.
• 570[05:21:34] <rcm888> awal1, where is pulse config?
• 571[05:22:09] <rcm888> I have dmesg hdmi-a-0, but sound set to hdmi-a-1
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• 578[05:23:13] <zumba_addict> Good evening folks. I need to activate or add php support to my currently running Nginx. It's on Debian 9. What package should I install? I tried `apt-get install php5-common php5-cli php5-fpm` but it failed
• 579[05:23:49] <awal1> rcm888, have you verified with pavuctl?
• 580[05:24:04] <zumba_addict> one sec, I found this - replaced-url
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• 583[05:25:46] <tharkun> n4dir, awal1: thanks, I used audacity and it seems it did the trick I will recall those for later stuff. Thanks again
• 584[05:25:46] <awal1> in fact I am not really good at sound stuff; I just suggested pavucontrol because many people end solving many sound stuff via it. if it doesn't help, wait...someone may help later
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• 588[05:27:22] <tharkun> !audio
• 589[05:27:22] <dpkg> Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
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• 594[05:36:00] <zumba_addict> I'm good now. That link worked for me
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• 600[05:41:36] <awal1> tharkun, I forgot 'ffmpeg' pkg
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• 602[05:42:46] <awal1> you ccan just do "ffmpeg -i yourfile.your-actual-for-format newfile.opus"
• 603[05:43:35] <awal1> example "ffmpeg -i tharkun.avi tharkun1.opus"
• 604[05:43:41] <awal1> :P
• 605[05:44:13] <awal1> ffmpeg -formats for check supported formats, man ffmpeg for more options
• 606[05:44:44] <awal1> as you see, you just need ffmpeg , no extra gui stuff
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• 614[05:57:25] <rcm888> you know, it ceratainly crappy opensource drivers
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• 616[05:58:03] <rcm888> it is, because under windows everything works fine.
• 617[05:58:48] <rcm888> It also might be old hardware (Phillips TV), but TV works fine under windows
• 618[05:58:59] <BenderRodriguez> crappy open source drivers is pretty much the standard fare in linux
• 619[05:59:41] <rcm888> I do: aplay -D plughw:1,3 1kHz_44100Hz_16bit_05sec.wav - and it goes into loop, but no sound!
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• 621[06:00:42] <rcm888> nobody cares in AMD for giving good documentation for their hardware?
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• 624[06:01:20] <rcm888> And also PC speaker beeps, instead of error sound. is it sadistic joke or something?
• 625[06:01:34] <rcm888> rofl
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• 628[06:01:52] <somiaj> I like my simple pcspkr.
• 629[06:02:13] <somiaj> Anyways, what radeon/amd card do you have? What dirver are you ousing? And did you install the additional non-free firmware?
• 630[06:02:54] <rcm888> RX 560
• 631[06:03:12] <rcm888> not supported for debian 9 anymore.
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• 637[06:05:50] <rcm888> Driver "amdgpu"
• 638[06:05:59] <rcm888> may be I need to add something else?
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• 640[06:09:33] <somiaj> do you have the package firmare-amd-graphics installed from non-free?
• 641[06:10:39] <somiaj> You can get a newer kernel and newer firmware from stretch-backports, might help on newer cards
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• 644[06:12:58] <rcm888> somiaj, no such package
• 645[06:13:32] <rcm888> firmare-amd-graphics
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• 647[06:15:18] <somiaj> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
• 648[06:15:19] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1
• 649[06:15:20] <somiaj> !non-free
• 650[06:15:20] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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• 652[06:15:23] <somiaj> you need to enable non-free
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• 654[06:15:34] <rcm888> it is enabled
• 655[06:15:40] <rcm888> how to clean apt-get cache?
• 656[06:15:52] <rcm888> reload list form new
• 657[06:15:53] <somiaj> what is the output of your 'apt policy' at paste.debian.net
• 658[06:16:08] <somiaj> did you run 'apt update' after adding non-free to your sources.list?
• 659[06:16:49] <rcm888> replaced-url
• 660[06:16:55] <rcm888> yes
• 661[06:17:13] <rcm888> apt-cache search finds it. but apt-get install says no such package
• 662[06:17:37] <somiaj> what is the output of apt policy firmware-amd-graphics
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• 664[06:18:25] <somiaj> I'm unsure about all the amdgpu-pro packages
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• 667[06:19:39] <rcm888> firmware-amd-graphics: Installed: 20161130-3 Candidate: 20161130-3
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• 669[06:20:25] <rcm888> firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version (20161130-3).
• 670[06:20:53] <rcm888> may be I need distinct driver for hdmi sound?
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• 675[06:24:45] <rcm888> !non-free sources
• 676[06:24:46] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 679[06:26:03] <rcm888> how to add stretch-backports?
• 680[06:27:15] <somiaj> !stretch-backports sources
• 681[06:27:21] <somiaj> !stretch-backports
• 682[06:27:21] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
• 683[06:28:01] <somiaj> You may also have firmware provided for the amdgpu-pro driver. The firmware debian shipps works with the amdgpu kernel module provided by the linux kernel. If using the amdgpu-pro driver it may not be an issue.
• 684[06:28:27] <somiaj> are these amdgpu pro drivers, and varous other packages like mesa, etc, made for debian stretch?
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• 692[06:34:30] <rcm888> will try it
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• 711[07:02:14] <darsie> dpkg has dead links about adobe flash
• 712[07:02:14] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, darsie
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• 715[07:03:36] <darsie> Ohh, the dot should not be in the URL."Read more on replaced-url
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• 717[07:05:10] <awal1> adobe flash is not available on debain stretch
• 718[07:05:28] <awal1> pepperflash also no
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• 720[07:06:18] <awal1> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
• 721[07:06:19] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
• 722[07:06:41] <awal1> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
• 723[07:06:43] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
• 724[07:07:41] <awal1> darsie ^
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• 726[07:08:21] <darsie> replaced-url
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• 728[07:09:56] <awal1> do you really need adobe flash?
• 729[07:10:10] <darsie> gnash didn't work.
• 730[07:10:39] <awal1> everday more hundresds of multimedia contetnt in the web is ported to html5
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• 744[07:23:16] <Nautilus> I have debian on a Thinkpad/Lenovo X230 and have a question. Today a friend plugged into the displayport and there was no video present. One thing I found via google makes me think it's not worth the effort, wondering if anyone has feedback or updated info: replaced-url
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• 773[08:13:55] <SerajewelKS> i have a raid1 with max_read_errors at the default of 20. there is a member device with errors at 1528. why would this member not be automatically marked failed?
• 774[08:17:00] <SerajewelKS> i'm guessing that these values don't mean what i think they mean, but i'll be damned if i can find any documentation on what they do mean
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• 776[08:17:59] <rcm888> somiaj, you know, that shit didnt work...
• 777[08:18:30] <rcm888> I ended up with black screen and had to delete firmware-amd-graphics of 2018
• 778[08:19:12] <rcm888> and then enter recovery mode to reinstall removed firmware-linux, because network stopped working lol
• 779[08:20:34] <rcm888> you said " You may also have firmware provided for the amdgpu-pro driver. The firmware debian shipps works with the amdgpu kernel module provided by the linux kernel"
• 780[08:20:45] <rcm888> can you tell me more about this?
• 781[08:22:58] <rcm888> amdgpu-core_18.30-641594_all.deb This package can only be installed on Ubuntu 16.04
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• 789[08:29:04] <somiaj> rcm888: Is those amdgpu-pro packages you are using made for debian?
• 790[08:29:24] <rcm888> somiaj, I installe amdgpu, now cant remove it
• 791[08:29:36] <somiaj> anyways, I was just giving you info on how to get the firmware if using the debian kernel/packages and amdgpu driver provided by debian. I'm unsure about this third party stuff you are using.
• 792[08:30:08] <somiaj> You have it all pinned at 1000. You could remove that pinning or do other things to clean it up. But I don't know amd, I just see that you have some third party packages installed.
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• 795[08:35:28] <rcm888> i dont know how to fix database of dpkg
• 796[08:36:24] <rcm888> amdgpu : Depends: amdgpu-core (= 18.30-641594) but it is not going to be installed
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• 798[08:38:58] <hipodilski> hi i tried downgrading debian testing to stable (i know this is not supported) ... most packages upgraded to stable but i now have broken dependencies is there some script or something to fix them apart from apt
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• 800[08:40:03] <annadane> !partial downgrade
• 801[08:40:03] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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• 804[08:42:48] <hipodilski> the problems i have are not broken packages but rather many packages seem missing even though they should be there
• 805[08:42:52] <hipodilski> for example gnome-session
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• 810[08:45:20] <annadane> i um... am feeling tired and need to go to bed, but try apt policy gnome-session, if there's a version number under candidate it is at least found in the mirrors
• 811[08:45:47] <annadane> or just back up what you want and reinstall so you have a less broken system in general
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• 813[08:46:08] <hipodilski> installion (none), candidate none, version table
• 814[08:46:29] <annadane> yeah, dunno then
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• 819[08:52:45] <rcm888> what does it mean:
• 820[08:52:46] <rcm888> File not found - /var/opt/amdgpu-pro-local/./Packages (2: No such file or directory)
• 821[08:52:56] <rcm888> after apt update
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• 831[09:05:15] <hipodilski> how to change my AP using iwconfig?
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• 835[09:07:29] <hipodilski> how to change my AP using iwconfig?
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• 846[09:20:38] <hipodilski> anyways ifconfig iface down; iwconfig iface essid "whatever"
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• 858[09:31:56] <rcm888> somiaj, mint 19 works with hdmi sount out of the bos
• 859[09:31:58] <rcm888> box
• 860[09:32:29] <rcm888> there is something f*xd up in debian
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• 870[09:39:15] <rgr> hdmi sound works fine in debian .
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• 872[09:40:24] <at0m> just like freenode is a family friendly network
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• 898[09:57:23] <hexhaxtron> I can't start Apache...
• 899[09:57:24] <hexhaxtron> Oct 06 08:52:13 thunix.org apachectl[14748]: (99)Cannot assign requested address: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address [2a01:4b00:821f:5900:728b:cdff:fe56:9dc7]:443
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• 919[10:08:14] <OS-40376> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY patata6846+47654351sdxrt4wjh886
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• 922[10:10:32] <dka> how can i install unetbootin in debian ?
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• 924[10:11:56] <dka> debian stretch
• 925[10:12:53] <allorder> ucant
• 926[10:13:10] <allorder> google DD
• 927[10:13:29] <rgr> yes you can. go to their web page and get the tar. But may I ask why? a usb image and "cat" is all you need.
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• 929[10:13:46] <rgr> cat is was better than dd btw.. ;)
• 930[10:13:54] <rgr> s/was/way
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• 939[10:19:14] <themill> cp rather that either cat or dd, actually
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• 965[10:50:16] <digdilem> hexhaxtron, netstat -tulpn | grep LISTEN
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• 977[11:02:11] <jolt> PinkBellyNagger: probably binutils
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• 999[11:21:52] <LEI> Should I use nftables over iptables for new installations? Or is there yet another alternative production ready firewall for web servers?
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• 1002[11:25:44] <blackflow> LEI: which one you're most familiar with
• 1003[11:26:44] <LEI> iptables because legacy, I am using debian stretch right now and I just discovered nftables which claims itself neater — just wondering if I missing another
• 1004[11:26:59] <LEI> I'm*
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• 1006[11:27:49] <blackflow> there is no other, there's ideas about going BPF for packet filtering, but that's just ideas afaik
• 1007[11:28:01] <blackflow> *for network packet filtering, because PF in BPF is just that
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• 1010[11:29:37] <LEI> blackflow: I see thanks, I will give a go to nftables for personal projects
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• 1016[11:36:29] <blackflow> LEI: for me iptables work well and I don't intend to migrate to nftables until I see any significant reason to. The supposed performance, from what I read here and there, is _not_ improved over iptables, and the other new features/advantages of nft aren't appealing to me right now.
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• 1027[11:44:30] <LEI> blackflow: you're right might be too soon, especially for me because I am still not really familiar with iptables and networking in general: I struggle to build a good base config without copying blindlessly some rules :)
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• 1029[11:45:37] <blackflow> in that case it doesn't matter for you and you can choose to go with the newer?
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• 1032[11:46:48] <LEI> There might be more resources for good old iptables, but I am wondering why there is no mention of DROP in this wiki page for example wiki.debian.org/iptables
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• 1036[11:49:23] <blackflow> LEI: I suppose because the author chose to REJECT instead of DROP? :)
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• 1038[11:50:42] <LEI> Haha good catch, still I didnt find an in-depth write-up on how to setup a secure server (+ f2b for example), must search harder!
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• 1042[11:52:06] <blackflow> LEI: because there's no one solution. security is a process, not something you install or copy&paste. and firwalls are just a minor element in the picture.
• 1043[11:52:34] <blackflow> to "set up a secure server" is quite a lot more than iptables, and highly depends on the services involved.
• 1044[11:53:15] <blackflow> and fail2ban is just false sense of security, it may block random re-attempts but any serious bruteforce attempt will be distributed and f2b doesn't work there.
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• 1047[11:55:16] <blackflow> I use f2b to reduce annoyance, not increase security, and mostly for the mail server where stupid spambots don't understand the meaning of 5xx errors so they keep on trying from teh same IP. poof, blocked.
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• 1049[11:56:21] <LEI> blackflow: well I am still learning on the job; originally developing web applications and now trying to setup a public web server with some good practices. I am aware f2b is a last resort tool :P
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• 1052[11:56:53] <LEI> I will take any advice or good info source, thanks :D
• 1053[11:57:02] <blackflow> sure, as long as you're aware of its limitations and don't think it'll do much
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• 1058[12:02:00] <blackflow> LEI: rules of thumb for security: inside out (eg. strong passwords over fail2ban on password retries), in-depth (cover all possible intrusion vectors in all stages), principle of least privilege (if program X doesn't need to Y, don't allow it to; use as little programs as are needed to accomplish a task), obscurity (works like camouflage, move ssh from port 22 and get rid of automated attemps, for
• 1059[12:02:06] <blackflow> example, but be aware that a dedicated attack will find it on another port)
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• 1065[12:03:52] <blackflow> and remember containers are NOT security boundaries :)
• 1066[12:04:39] <LEI> blackflow: thx! I already do the SSH part with custom port, no root login, keys and such. Though how did you know I am trying out docker?
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• 1068[12:05:16] <blackflow> becasue it's all teh rage these days and new users think it's a panacea for solving all their problems. it was a lucky guess.
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• 1071[12:06:08] <blackflow> containers have a very limited and specific use case where they're useful. just randomly throwing stuff into docker because it's all the rage -- is completely wrong. it increases complexity.
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• 1073[12:06:18] <LEI> I just use it for the simplicity of deployment and management unification I guess ;)
• 1074[12:06:24] <blackflow> and docker? worst of all. attack the docker socket and you own the entire host.
• 1075[12:06:38] <LEI> good ol' lxc then?
• 1076[12:06:45] <blackflow> LEI: I read some buzzwords in there but no real problem that needs solving :))
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• 1078[12:06:56] <blackflow> well, why do you think you need containers?
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• 1080[12:07:35] <blackflow> you need containers if you want to isolate a program from teh rest of the system. isolate not due to security, but due to filesystem namespace issues. or ipc namespace. or user namespace.
• 1081[12:07:53] <SuppositoryAbuse> Hello this is Big Dawg the dealer man bringin' you the latest evolution of what the conservative control freaks like to call "substance abuse": recreational suppositories!
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• 1083[12:08:31] <LEI> For example I don't want to install the programs I run in a container on the host, avoiding package manager specific issues or manipulations
• 1084[12:08:33] <blackflow> but if you need to reduce the attack surface of a service using security features of docker, you can do so with system unit files and not increase complexity with docker. like, reduce capabilities, or give capabilities so you don't run as root, reduce visibility of filesystem, readonly + readwrite paths. apparmor or selinux profiles, etc...
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• 1088[12:09:08] <blackflow> LEI: right, that's the other use case, installing programms not immediately available for the distro, so you isolate them, so tehy don't pollute the host with their gods know what it does "make install" :)
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• 1092[12:10:46] <LEI> In this vein, also "reproducible builds" so if it works locally it should on any host
• 1093[12:11:04] <LEI> But I got your point and I will take a better look at those things thank you.
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• 1095[12:11:07] <blackflow> that's not what reproducible build means, though. it's not about working locally AND somewhere else.
• 1096[12:11:17] <LEI> yes wrong buzz word
• 1097[12:12:12] <blackflow> right, so if you're not developing something for debian and want it to run with no extra hassle on other distros, then containers are there. but consider flatpak, snappy, podman, instead of docker.
• 1098[12:12:23] <blackflow> choose docker only if you really need docker.
• 1099[12:14:31] <LEI> I knew snappy, will look at this 2 too :)
• 1100[12:14:59] <blackflow> and yeah lxc, lxd, though they're a bit more virtualization-like. eg, docker is about containerizing a single process (or a master process that spawns sub-workers), where lxc/lxd is about giving you a full OS tree (sans the kernel) with all the facilities, as if it was a VM, but it's not hardware virtualized (shares kernel with the host)
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• 1103[12:16:07] <blackflow> though technically you can run a minimal, single (master) process, single-task oriented "container" under lxc/lxd as well.
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• 1109[12:20:12] <LEI> Then I'll probably not dive in lxc for my current needs, about docker I think one nice and streamlined feature is the ability to pull images from repositories ala git
• 1110[12:20:14] <LEI> o/
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• 1173[13:23:14] <jelly> enoq: existence for some of those @yourdomain.example.org are either mandatory or best practices. Use spam filtering.
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• 1177[13:25:14] <enoq> thanks
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• 1204[13:44:16] <outoftime> Who is paranoid? Who know what can cause playing song of touchpad click randomly after cleen install of xfce from live cd and gnome over it?
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• 1207[13:48:29] <petn-randall> outoftime: Is that a support question?
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• 1213[13:57:25] <outoftime> petn-randall: I think so, some unknown sound is playing randomly, sound looks like touchpad click. But now it disapeared. After shutdown for 7 hours.
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• 1222[14:03:26] <outoftime> BTW I have an idea, looks like it is the sound of gnome's notification
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• 1265[14:35:17] <SerajewelKS> i have a raid1 with max_read_errors at the default of 20. there is a member device with errors at 1528. why would this member not be automatically marked failed? i'm guessing that these values don't mean what i think they mean, but i'll be damned if i can find any documentation on what they do mean.
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• 1269[14:38:27] <SerajewelKS> one of the devices was spewing read errors causing the whole box to grind to a halt. i thought the point of raid1 was to kick out failing drives so they don't drag the whole system down
• 1270[14:39:13] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Do the drives have ERC?
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• 1273[14:41:09] <SerajewelKS> yes. the reads weren't resulting in timeouts though, they were resulting in straight-up read errors.
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• 1275[14:41:37] <SerajewelKS> for example: sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] tag#26 Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
• 1276[14:41:41] <SerajewelKS> blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 36000032
• 1277[14:41:44] <SerajewelKS> etc
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• 1279[14:43:02] <SerajewelKS> md was using the other disk to repair the read errors, which is good. but the whole time the box was choking on the bad disk.
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• 1281[14:43:24] <SerajewelKS> i assumed after some number of read errors md would kick the drive out but it did not
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• 1289[14:49:52] <blackflow> SerajewelKS: wait, md can't auto heal, it doesn't do data checksums
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• 1291[14:50:28] <blackflow> "md was using the other disk to repair the read errors" -- are you sure about that?
• 1292[14:51:34] <SerajewelKS> blackflow: yes. if one drive in a raid1 reports an unrecoverable read error, md will read from another device in the mirror and write that sector to the device with the read error.
• 1293[14:51:54] <SerajewelKS> this isn't md detecting damage on the sector, this is the drive failing to read the sector at all
• 1294[14:52:20] <blackflow> right. k.
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• 1296[14:52:49] <blackflow> but,having no data checksums, once the error started, I'd stop trusting the array at all.
• 1297[14:53:19] <SerajewelKS> that's part of the reason why i wish the kernel kicked out the bad drive
• 1298[14:53:28] <blackflow> which is the reason why I migrated from mdadm to zfs years ago.
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• 1303[14:55:52] <blackflow> SerajewelKS: what's that max_read_errors setting, part of what?
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• 1305[14:57:02] <blackflow> oh I see, /sys/block/md.../md/
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• 1307[15:02:58] <SerajewelKS> hmm it appears that read errors won't result in a device being kicked, only write errors
• 1308[15:03:21] <SerajewelKS> so if a device reports a read error, md will read another device in the mirror and write back the good data to the bad sector to try to fix it. if *that* write fails, the device gets kicked.
• 1309[15:04:09] <blackflow> iirc it was about correctible vs uncorrectible. so as you say it will resilver the sectors it failed to read at all, that's still correctible
• 1310[15:04:18] <blackflow> *correctAble
• 1311[15:04:54] <blackflow> though I'm not sure if mdadm is reallocating, or disk itself
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• 1313[15:05:37] <SerajewelKS> smartctl doesn't even show any reallocations on the disk with the errors, so presumably there was some transient damage that a rewrite was able to repair on the same physical sector
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• 1315[15:06:10] <SerajewelKS> i just found the documentation in md for the "failfast" flag which would switch on the behavior that i was expecting: the first read or write error on a disk, md kicks it out immediately
• 1316[15:06:43] <blackflow> isn't that a bit radical? you _do_ want redundancy in data as long as possible
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• 1319[15:07:01] <SerajewelKS> yeah that's why i'm not considering turning it on
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• 1321[15:07:25] <blackflow> I learned that once when , against all the odds, I had a situation where one disk failed, got replaced, and while the new one was resilvering, the other disk died.
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• 1323[15:07:33] <SerajewelKS> i *was* expecting though that after some number of read errors in a short period, md kicks the disk. because the whole system was largely unresponsive while md was faffing about trying to fix the sectors.
• 1324[15:07:47] <SerajewelKS> took me minutes to even get root
• 1325[15:08:19] <SerajewelKS> part of that was probably that i had the "good" disk marked write-mostly
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• 1327[15:08:42] <SerajewelKS> so md was really persistent in trying to read from the disk that was having issues... so some of that was on me
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• 1329[15:08:59] <SerajewelKS> as soon as i managed to clear that flag the system started doing a bit better
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• 1331[15:09:19] <blackflow> goes without saying, replace that puppy asap :)
• 1332[15:10:07] <SerajewelKS> yeah. the sticking point is that the drive is under warranty but the smart metrics aren't below the thresholds that are required for a warranty replacement.
• 1333[15:10:31] <SerajewelKS> i do have backups so i'm going to run it for a few more days and see if the drive will become bad enough to warrant a free replacement
• 1334[15:10:43] <SerajewelKS> it's got 200 some days left on the warranty
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• 1337[15:11:18] <SerajewelKS> one side of the raid1 is a raid0 with 2x3TB drives that are ~2.5 years old. the other side is a brand new 6TB.
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• 1339[15:11:58] <blackflow> and the 6TB is failing?
• 1340[15:11:59] <SerajewelKS> the suspect drive is one of the 3TB drives. so if that goes south, i at least have a brand new disk to run the array until i can get a replacement.
• 1341[15:12:02] <blackflow> ah
• 1342[15:12:32] <SerajewelKS> will be degraded of course, but with prime shipping i can get a new drive here in 2 days
• 1343[15:12:50] <SerajewelKS> right now i'm scrubbing the array and running an extended smart test on the suspect drive
• 1344[15:13:06] <SerajewelKS> hoping that the test will push the metrics over the warranty threshold *crosses fingers*
• 1345[15:13:10] <blackflow> there's offline smart tests you can run on it, that will update some smart attribs that require offline tests. personally, I wouldn't trust that disk at all. it's okay while it's knowing that it can't read a sector. it's not okay if it could read but got corrupt data instead.
• 1346[15:14:06] <SerajewelKS> that is a scary prospect, though disks these days are pretty good about detecting damaged data
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• 1348[15:14:39] <SerajewelKS> maybe i should set the raid0 write-mostly :>
• 1349[15:14:53] <SerajewelKS> then it will only be used for reads if the 6TB disk fails
• 1350[15:15:04] <blackflow> ever since I started using ZFS, I see checksum failures at least once a year, so from personal experience I wouldn't say they're good at detecting silent data corruption.
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• 1381[15:39:23] <Franciman> Hi
• 1382[15:39:30] <Franciman> How can I create a cron job from script?
• 1383[15:39:34] <Franciman> from a script*
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• 1386[15:40:03] <blackflow> Franciman: drop a crontab file under /etc/cron.d/
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• 1395[15:45:36] <Franciman> blackflow, does the name matter?
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• 1397[15:45:45] <Franciman> the name of the file
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• 1405[15:46:58] <blackflow> Franciman: only in that you shouldn't clobber files installed by packages
• 1406[15:47:07] <Franciman> cool, thanks
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• 1421[15:59:00] <sujonboss> is debian a fall back
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• 1430[16:04:08] <blackflow> for what
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• 1477[16:39:28] <Jemt> Hi. Can someone explain to me how Apache is able to write to my websites access.log file when it has chmod 000 (not writable) ? No matter the permissions, Apache is always able to write to the log. I don't get it.
• 1478[16:40:31] <blackflow> magick.
• 1479[16:40:52] <abrotman> Jemt: ls -la /var/log/apache/ ; put it in a pastebin
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• 1483[16:42:04] <Jemt> abrotman: My vhost has its own local access log file located in /var/replaced-url
• 1484[16:42:32] <blackflow> obviously ls the dir where the logfile that shouldn't be written to, is.
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• 1487[16:43:16] <Jemt> replaced-url
• 1488[16:43:19] <Jemt> Here it is
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• 1490[16:44:23] <abrotman> oh wait, did you just change the perms?
• 1491[16:44:34] <abrotman> and did you SIGHUP or restart Apache?
• 1492[16:44:37] <Jemt> Someone else gave me a possible explaination: "writing to an open file descriptor doesn't check permissions, it was checked when the parent process opened the file at startup"
• 1493[16:44:47] <abrotman> Right, the handle was already open ..
• 1494[16:44:50] <Jemt> abrotman: Seems you figured it out too :)
• 1495[16:44:57] <Jemt> yes :)
• 1496[16:44:59] <Jemt> Makes sense then
• 1497[16:45:00] <abrotman> apache is a jerk about closing files
• 1498[16:45:14] <blackflow> like I said. magick. :)
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• 1500[16:45:19] <Jemt> Yes, obviously. Thank God, this was driving me crazy, hehe :)
• 1501[16:45:32] <Jemt> blackflow: :-D
• 1502[16:45:35] <abrotman> Jemt: if you SIGHUP, I think Apache will do what you expect
• 1503[16:45:43] <Jemt> Great, thanks
• 1504[16:45:50] <abrotman> if not just restart it
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• 1510[16:50:08] <Jemt> abrotman: Restarting it , or even stopping and starting it again, did not change anything. What the ..
• 1511[16:50:23] <Jemt> I'm desperate now. Trying to restart the machine while preserving chmod 000
• 1512[16:50:30] <Jemt> (is that an invalid chmod I wonder?)
• 1513[16:50:36] <blackflow> I keep telling you, magick. :) now jokes aside, what do you want to achieve?
• 1514[16:51:19] <Jemt> I want to understand what's going on. I'm just puzzled.
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• 1516[16:51:44] <Jemt> And I really don't like when fundamental things misbehave. I must be doing something wrong here.
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• 1520[16:52:20] <Jemt> Perhaps chmod 000 causes permissions to be inherited from the folder (?)
• 1521[16:54:47] <Jemt> The only explaination I can come up with, is that Apache has a process running as root that does the logging - this is obviously not done by replaced-url
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• 1524[16:55:03] <blackflow> Jemt: I think the logfiles are opened by the master process yes
• 1525[16:55:23] <blackflow> but what do you want to achieve, what's with 000 chmod?
• 1526[16:55:25] <Jemt> Okay. I suppose that makes sense
• 1527[16:56:16] <Jemt> blackflow: I just wanted to make sure the file was 100% read-only. Does not make sense in real life
• 1528[16:56:29] <Jemt> Changing it back to 600 now :)
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• 1530[16:57:36] <blackflow> thing with permissions in linux... you can delete root's files in your home folder just fine which is totally unintuitive.
• 1531[16:57:43] <jelly> Jemt: there's always chattr +i
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• 1533[16:57:55] <blackflow> DAC sux, it's a broken model. MAC is the only sane way to do permissions.
• 1534[16:59:03] <blackflow> chattr +i usually leads to another kind of WTF, where that +i ain't obvious from a simple ls
• 1535[16:59:06] <jelly> blackflow: if root put their files in your home and did not want you to be able to delete them, they'd have chmod +t the directory
• 1536[16:59:37] <blackflow> jelly: yes I know the workarounds but deleting other user's files in your home dir is counter to the regular meaning of permissions and ownership
• 1537[16:59:40] <Jemt> blackflow: Yes, I wouldn't expect that :)
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• 1540[17:00:11] <Jemt> Thanks Jelly
• 1541[17:00:17] <abrotman> Jemt: use lsof or fuser to see what's using it?
• 1542[17:00:51] <jelly> blackflow: it's counter to someone's expectations but easily explained
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• 1544[17:01:31] <abrotman> Jemt: why not just turn off the logging in the apache config?
• 1545[17:01:47] <jelly> permissions on files cover their contents. Permissions on directory cover the directory entries.
• 1546[17:02:27] <jelly> abrotman: they did not state that was their actual goal
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• 1548[17:03:04] <abrotman> jelly: No, but that could be another solution ..
• 1549[17:03:26] <nvz> testes
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• 1551[17:04:00] <jelly> solution for what
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• 1557[17:05:14] <Jemt> My goal was not to turn of logging. It was simply to understand WHY Apache was able to write to a file. I was expecting Apache to be running under the replaced-url
• 1558[17:05:47] <jelly> not really, children write their own lines to logs
• 1559[17:06:10] <Jemt> jelly: With chmod 000 it must be the root process writing to the file, right ?
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• 1561[17:06:41] <Jemt> lsof reveals that root does have a handles open to the file
• 1562[17:06:42] <jelly> however, the main process is the one opening log files when it's able to, and pssing those open file descriptors to clone()d or fork()ed worker processes
• 1563[17:06:52] <blackflow> jelly: yes but with apache the logs are _open_ by the master process, no?
• 1564[17:07:04] <Jemt> Yes, so it does make sense after all :)
• 1565[17:07:12] <blackflow> before privilege drop and before the workers take over the log FDs. at least, afaik
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• 1567[17:07:27] <blackflow> ah you just said that. k
• 1568[17:07:31] <jelly> if you strace a worker process, you can see it writing to a log for a particular virtualhost
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• 1570[17:08:10] <jelly> and not, say, passing a message to a separate logging process
• 1571[17:08:18] <blackflow> then again, root shouldn't be able to write either, to files with no +w
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• 1574[17:08:34] <jelly> root can read and write files with mode 0
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• 1576[17:09:04] <blackflow> ah aparently it can, yes.
• 1577[17:09:39] <jelly> normal rules do not apply to root
• 1578[17:10:29] <blackflow> yeah, I can see that. but applications might _think_ they can't write. eg, vim will complain it's in readonly mode and refuse to write, if you open a u-w file, as root
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• 1582[17:11:00] <blackflow> evn though things like echo > into a file works just fine
• 1583[17:11:25] <blackflow> this is so bad :)
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• 1590[17:13:55] <blackflow> and then there's thewhole ACL thingthat will completely, utterly, unobviously and unintuitively mess with the permissions in a most vile way.
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• 1594[17:16:19] <jelly> at least ls -l warns you about existence of those
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• 1622[17:30:26] <ctcx> I'm just learning mailx
• 1623[17:30:39] <ctcx> After reading,
• 1624[17:31:04] <ctcx> if sending mail to localhost or someone else in LAN, no need to relay on external smtp
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• 1627[17:31:50] <ctcx> If sending to some address from commercial mails I do need to specify smtp=server
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• 1630[17:32:46] <ctcx> Now, say, if I'm only sending mail to domain.org addresses, is it enough to just specify smtp server, or must I also specify user authentication?
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• 1632[17:33:13] <ctcx> I do understand I need authentication if sending from domain.org to say gmail.com
• 1633[17:33:20] <ctcx> But what about the previous case?
• 1634[17:33:26] <Zevv> Hi - trying to install wine32 on unstable/sid fails for me because of problems with libopenal1-data: replaced-url
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• 1636[17:34:09] <blackflow> ctcx: I don't know what mailx does, but it can really do one or two of the following: talk to an MTA directly (in which case it could be able to send to, say, @gmail.com), need an MTA to actually send mail (eg. it's using local sendmail binary)
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• 1638[17:34:28] <blackflow> ctcx: so if it needs an MTA, depending on that MTA's config, it may or may not need authentication
• 1639[17:34:54] <ctcx> And that MTA is on my side or from gmail's side?
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• 1643[17:36:37] <blackflow> ctcx: that question doesn't make much sense. A program can either talk SMTP protocol itself, and then contact mail servers on port 25 itself, OR it can use an existing MTA do to that, and use it via, say, local sendmail binary.
• 1644[17:37:17] <blackflow> ctcx: quickly googling for mailx I see it requires an MTA and uses local sendmail binary.
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• 1722[18:19:53] <Noldorin_> could anyone kindly help figure out what's wrong with my (seemingly) borked RAID1 setup?
• 1723[18:19:55] <Noldorin_> it won't even mount
• 1724[18:19:57] <Noldorin_> it silently fails
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• 1736[18:24:24] <rcm888> how to fix broken packages? replaced-url
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• 1739[18:25:39] <abrotman> rcm888: where is your sources.list
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• 1750[18:32:11] <awal1> why aptitude still have 'Y' (yes) and no translation to other languages?
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• 1752[18:33:02] <awal1> S for spanish, O for french and so, like apt-get/apt?
• 1753[18:33:29] <awal1> apt-listbugs also
• 1754[18:33:32] <akko> it isn't necessary imo
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• 1756[18:33:57] <awal1> i think it is a choice made by dds
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• 1758[18:34:02] <awal1> not sure why
• 1759[18:34:10] <akko> what's dds?
• 1760[18:34:25] <awal1> dds/dms
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• 1762[18:34:54] <awal1> debian developers/maintainers
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• 1773[18:39:27] <stallman> grumble:
• 1774[18:40:08] <grumble> stallman: hm?
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• 1777[18:40:24] <stallman> what irc client you use
• 1778[18:40:25] <stallman> ?
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• 1780[18:41:14] <grumble> i'll reply in PM so we're not being overly off-topic in here
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• 1794[18:48:27] <Zevv> My problem seems to be that the available amd64 libopenal1 is at version 1.19.0-2, while all other archs including i386 are still a 1.19.0-1
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• 1812[19:08:12] <awal1> my wifi usb adapter is ot detected by my debian guest on vbox after adding 'net.ifnames=0' to cmdline. what can be the cause?
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• 1814[19:09:11] <awal1> well, iwconfig returns lists a 'wlan0' interface but I can not set it to monitor mode as usual. no sure what is happening
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• 1818[19:11:09] <plm> Hi all
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• 1820[19:11:57] <plm> I downloaded "debian-9.5.0-armhf-netinst", how I to do to install it on Qemu?
• 1821[19:12:06] <awal1> if I allow systemd predicate interfaces all works fine
• 1822[19:12:15] <awal1> hm, systemd...
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• 1825[19:13:43] <plm> I would like to install debian ARMHF (V7 arch) on Qemu, How I to do that?
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• 1838[19:17:44] <pagios> hi all, i would like to scale up my docker image which is running mainly nodejs and some backend code and make it dynamic, for instance if i get peak traffic, i would like to automatically spawn a new docker image, and route users to that docker image which in turn is reading some origin server and serving clients. I would like to know how can i orchestrate that (detect the traffic/views, spawn a new instance and route users
• 1839[19:17:44] <pagios> to use say using dns or whatever) Thank you
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• 1842[19:20:02] <plm> anyone?
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• 1872[19:39:37] <jak2000> for sleep/pause is correct:
• 1873[19:39:46] <jak2000> service mysql stop
• 1874[19:39:54] <jak2000> sleep 1000
• 1875[19:40:08] <jak2000> shutdown -r now
• 1876[19:40:40] <jak2000> run the command mysql (Stoping)while stopping wait 1000 ms and the restart? right
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• 1887[19:49:01] <rcm888> will hdmi sound work in 4.17?
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• 1889[19:50:03] <rcm888> Old software is no longer supported, new software is not yet ready!
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• 1891[19:50:52] <ntd> hdmi is working, apparently just not for you
• 1892[19:50:55] <ntd> hdmi sound
• 1893[19:51:07] <ntd> i had working hdmi sound on deb like... 2008
• 1894[19:51:09] <annadane> rcm888, slow down a bit and take your problem one step at a time, you're rushing a lot, i've noticed
• 1895[19:51:27] <ntd> no, def 2010
• 1896[19:52:14] <rcm888> 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u5 (2018-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1898[19:52:38] <annadane> rcm888, if you haven't found a solution to your problem, describe whatever you can of your problem, what you expect the outcome to be, what you've tried that hasn't worked, etc
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• 1900[19:53:15] <rcm888> RX560 works on windows , mint 19. tried everything, nothing helps
• 1901[19:53:44] <annadane> that possibly indicates a firmware issue? what does dmesg | grep -i firmware say?
• 1902[19:53:51] <annadane> (as root)
• 1903[19:54:02] <annadane> (unprivileged users aren't allowed to read dmesg)
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• 1905[19:54:53] <annadane> (also post it to paste.debian.net, not here)
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• 1907[19:55:15] <rcm888> replaced-url
• 1908[19:55:50] <annadane> ok, anyone know if realtek has anything to do with hdmi or if installing the firmware would help at all?
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• 1912[19:58:14] <pringau> that realtek is your network card, seems your HDMI might be in your GPU
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• 1914[19:58:36] <rcm888> opf course it is in gpu. rx560
• 1915[19:58:53] <rcm888> I have TV connected
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• 1921[20:00:11] <ctcx> Why doesn't configuring postfix's myhostname in main.cf take effect?
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• 1924[20:00:44] <ctcx> I'm getting "invalid HELO name" from mailx due to not having a proper FQDN in system, but modifying main.cf has no effect
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• 1928[20:02:17] <outoftime> Need help with figuring out what it wrong with Gnome. syslog: replaced-url
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• 1930[20:02:37] <VampiricPadraig> I am trying to find out what "up route add -net <YOUR NET>" is? Should that be my main IP address or something else, I am very confused.
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• 1938[20:05:12] <pringau> rcm888, sorry I hadn't noticed you mentioned the rx.. I was wondering, do you have it listed as an audio port?
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• 1943[20:08:08] <rcm888> I tried all ports wirh aplay -D
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• 1946[20:08:46] <pringau> VampiricPadraig, you should use -net xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy gw xxx.xxx.xxx.nnn
• 1947[20:08:53] <pringau> something like
• 1948[20:09:07] <pringau> up route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1
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• 1951[20:09:41] <VampiricPadraig> Ok, my situation is a little different since I have a server with a provider.
• 1952[20:09:45] <pringau> which is your network's name (the one with the .0 in this case) its mask and its gateway
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• 1955[20:11:27] <VampiricPadraig> pringau, I have the IP address itself, the gateway, netmask and the broadcast, but I have no idea which one I should be using for the -net.
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• 1959[20:13:13] <pringau> VampiricPadraig, I guess you are saying you have your IP. you might want to use a network calculator to ease your task and check which corresponds to your network
• 1960[20:13:23] <pringau> just to avoid typing it here
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• 1962[20:13:56] <pringau> or you can just mangle it a bit so we can help
• 1963[20:14:16] <VampiricPadraig> Yeah, That's what I am going to have to do. I wasn't planning on posting the IP address here. I'll play around with it anyway. Thanks pringau
• 1964[20:14:23] <mihi> plm, what machine type do you try to emulate? And what problems are you getting? I'm currently trying your image on -M vexpress-a15 and it is booting so far.
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• 1966[20:14:56] <mihi> (output is on serial console so switch to serial view with Ctrl+Alt+3
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• 1968[20:15:23] <pringau> VampiricPadraig, give it a try with searching "Subnet Calculator" I use it every time!
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• 1970[20:15:48] <pringau> -net will be "Subnet ID"
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• 1972[20:16:01] <pringau> the remaining will be mask gateway etc..
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• 1976[20:19:12] <pringau> rcm888, I guess I would try alsamixer.. just to rule out improper selection.. otherwise I would look into logs to understand if there is a problem with the RX firmware you have and by this giving you problems with the audio only. I am guessing that you have tried that cable before etc..
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• 1994[20:25:34] <VampiricPadraig> I got back into my server. Phew
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• 1999[20:27:39] <annadane> rcm888, or try dmesg or journalctl in continuous output mode, i forget the options, lemme look it up
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• 2001[20:27:59] <annadane> journalctl -f, try playing audio, see what messages result
• 2002[20:28:24] <annadane> and i guess dmesg -w
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• 2005[20:30:06] <pringau> yeap.. while playing audio or/and just after booting, in the case it is related with the GPU load
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• 2007[20:31:27] <annadane> "works in mint but not debian" either implies 1) needed firmware or 2) you need something newer than what's in stable, like backports
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• 2011[20:34:05] <outoftime> Is it good idea to remove /var/log/syslog and reboot machine to get only latest logs?
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• 2020[20:39:32] <karlpinc> !tell rcm888 about alsa-checklist
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• 2022[20:40:42] <karlpinc> outoftime: Not really. Eventually logs will rotate out and be deleted. Unless you installed an absolutely minimal system. The logrotate package takes care of log rotation.
• 2023[20:40:57] <bites> outoftime: you can just rotate it manually if you want logrotate --force /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog but i don't know why you'd do that, logs are always appended you they are timestamped.
• 2024[20:41:48] <karlpinc> outoftime: You do want to be running ntp. (The ntp package)
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• 2027[20:43:06] * karlpinc likes the lines "dateext" and "dateformat -%Y-%m-%d-%s" at the top of /etc/logrotate.conf
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• 2072[21:24:32] <outoftime> Looks like I have troubles with Nvidia driver... How to get free driver back?
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• 2076[21:26:33] <jhutchins> !nvidia
• 2077[21:26:33] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
• 2078[21:29:00] <annadane> outoftime, update-alternates --config glx and select mesa
• 2079[21:29:03] <annadane> err
• 2080[21:29:06] <annadane> update-alternatives
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• 2083[21:29:58] <rcm888> karlpinc, I have" hw:CARD=HDMI,DEV=3 \n HDA ATI HDMI, HDMI 0"
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• 2085[21:30:13] <rcm888> karlpinc, howto aplay -D ?
• 2086[21:30:34] <rcm888> aplay -d hw: 3,0 1.wav?
• 2087[21:30:44] <rcm888> aplay -d hw: 3,0 sound.wav?
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• 2091[21:36:15] <annadane> outoftime, and you'll need to reboot i think
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• 2109[21:52:45] <alt0id> hey does anybody know how can i install manually arch style on a drive that already has a home folder with the user data without partitioning or making new room on it
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• 2114[21:55:23] <outoftime> annadane: I have rolled back all changes, but I'll try your suggestion
• 2115[21:56:01] <outoftime> jhutchins: I have installed nvidia-driver accoriding to wiki, but I had some problems
• 2116[21:56:33] <plm> anyone can help me how to installe arm iso on qemu?
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• 2119[21:57:08] <plm> "14:11 < plm> I downloaded "debian-9.5.0-armhf-netinst", how I to do to install it on Qemu?"
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• 2139[22:07:02] <at0m> plm: i take it you went over replaced-url
• 2140[22:07:54] <at0m> plm: there's probably #qemu too here, in case you're not lucky here
• 2141[22:08:11] <n4dir> same here, not much of a clue about the subject, but it looks promising (you have to scroll down a bit):
• 2142[22:08:15] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 2143[22:08:49] <n4dir> plm: ^^
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• 2151[22:11:21] <plm> n4dir: thanks, I will to try that replaced-url
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• 2153[22:13:05] <plm> n4dir: There say "Running ARM programs under linux (without starting QEMU VM!)
• 2154[22:13:16] <n4dir> plm: thing is: i sure can't tell you how good it is. You might want to join #qemu anyway, as proposed by at0m
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• 2156[22:13:35] <n4dir> plm: yes, at the top they say that, scroll down a bit
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• 2158[22:13:40] <plm> n4dir: But I dont want to run arm apps on x86. I really want on qemu runing with debian armv7 - debian 9
• 2159[22:13:46] <plm> n4dir: ohh
• 2160[22:14:09] <n4dir> the other how-to i found is for ... i think debian- etch. So really, really old
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• 2162[22:14:21] <plm> n4dir: I was that that title is for everything bellow
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• 2164[22:14:30] <n4dir> ubuntu-wiki often has good info about such, but is not always 100 % for debian.
• 2165[22:14:31] <outoftime> alt0id: I have just moved home folder on new partition
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• 2167[22:14:55] <plm> n4dir: no matter if is debian or ubuntu, i need running late versino for armv7 on qemu
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• 2174[22:15:42] <n4dir> then perhaps search for ubuntu how-to's (too). Anyway: i said all i can say about the subject (would get into it, but none of my PCs is new enough to run qemu or such :-( )
• 2175[22:16:20] <outoftime> alt0id: also made separete /boot and root (/) partitions. To assign mount points you have to select partition and set FS, without it you will not be able to assign mount points...
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• 2182[22:18:46] <outoftime> annadane: /usr/lib/mesa-diverted is in manual mode
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• 2191[22:22:39] <outoftime> still can not login with nvidia driver
• 2192[22:22:49] <outoftime> But I have no error on login screen
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• 2194[22:23:04] <outoftime> Just can not pass it, even with correct password
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• 2202[22:27:13] <outoftime> replaced-url
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• 2236[22:54:00] <ws2k3> is rsyslog the default syslog server for debian?
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• 2243[23:03:42] <at0m> ws2k3: afaik, yes
• 2244[23:05:32] <zleap> ah hi
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• 2263[23:23:47] <Tom-_> !rsyslog
• 2264[23:23:47] <dpkg> rsyslog is an enhanced <syslog> daemon. With stock logging rules, it can be used as a drop-in sysklogd replacement. rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", but is not installed when upgrading from Debian 4.0 "Etch" (ref. §2.2 of the <lenny release notes>). replaced-url
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• 2272[23:29:53] <pringau> outoftime, have you created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d file?
• 2273[23:30:17] <pringau> sorry that is the dir
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• 2275[23:30:36] <pringau> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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• 2277[23:31:28] <pringau> or else
• 2278[23:31:28] <pringau> nvidia-xconfig
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• 2283[23:34:07] <pringau> :S maybe that is not needed anymore :S
• 2284[23:34:08] <pringau> replaced-url
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• 2293[23:41:27] <milanos> Hey
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• 2296[23:42:52] <SerajewelKS> how would i convert an LBA into a sector offset? i can't find anywhere that specifies the size of logical blocks.
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• 2298[23:44:18] <SerajewelKS> in particular, smartctl reports read errors for some LBAs and i'm trying to figure out where on the disk those blocks are
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• 2301[23:45:05] <SerajewelKS> *512 and *4096 (the "logical" and "physical" sector sizes, respectively) on the LBA and then dd'ing at that offset doesn't produce a read error
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• 2303[23:47:18] <SerajewelKS> ignore me, i figured it out
• 2304[23:47:30] <zleap> ok :)
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• 2306[23:51:01] <SerajewelKS> i found the sector offset of the partition, but now i need to figure out what raid0 sector that maps to so i can poke the outer raid1
• 2307[23:52:12] <SerajewelKS> the weird thing is that a smart test is reporting errors, but i just scrubbed the array overnight and it didn't trigger any I/O errors at all
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• 2309[23:53:02] <milanos> Hey, I'm thinking about installing debian on a flashdrive. I want to install testing and upgrading to sid. Is this a good idea?
• 2310[23:53:09] <SerajewelKS> guess i'll scrub the whole thing again...
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• 2313[23:53:30] <SerajewelKS> milanos: sid is not a good idea unless you are willing to report and help fix problems
• 2314[23:53:40] <SerajewelKS> and have the technical ability to do so
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• 2316[23:53:52] <zleap> there is a report tool in debian
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• 2318[23:54:08] <zleap> but yeah, sid is for developers mostly
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• 2320[23:54:43] <SerajewelKS> the debian-provided bug reporting tool IIRC requires a correctly-configured MTA on the system that can send mail to the internet
• 2321[23:54:48] <milanos> SerajewelKS: I have no problem with using a bug tracker.
• 2322[23:55:14] <zleap> ah right
• 2323[23:55:22] <n4dir> not really sure, but with the constant upgrades of Sid or testing a flashdrive might not be a good idea ?
• 2324[23:55:25] <zleap> hmm, i am still trying to get mutt working
• 2325[23:55:41] <SerajewelKS> n4dir: maybe not a flash drive from 20 years ago
• 2326[23:55:45] <zleap> i think sidux is a distro based on sid
• 2327[23:55:50] <milanos> mutt or neomutt?
• 2328[23:55:56] <n4dir> SerajewelKS: then i said nothing
• 2329[23:56:15] <SerajewelKS> as long as you're not getting cheap knockoffs of flash drives :)
• 2330[23:56:40] <at0m> just a thought on sid on a flash drive: sid has constant new packages, constant upgrades. flash medium doesn't like too much writes.
• 2331[23:56:41] <naos62> join #linux
• 2332[23:56:48] <SerajewelKS> i wouldn't put swap on a flash drive unless that's all you're using it for, for example
• 2333[23:57:32] <SerajewelKS> i'd be surprised if upgrading once a week would kill any recently-manufactured flash drive in under many years
• 2334[23:57:32] <at0m> running stable on a flash drive would make more sense - most only security updates there.
• 2335[23:57:50] <milanos> Nope. It has a fairly fast read speed. Not that great for write speeds.
• 2336[23:58:39] <n4dir> i also had the constant writes in mind. But i don't know that about hardware. black magic.
• 2337[23:58:44] <SerajewelKS> milanos: (swap on flash is actually a good idea over swap on HDDs. even with slower writes overall, swap spends a lot of time on random access.)
• 2338[23:59:02] <milanos> Ok, cool.
• 2339[23:59:24] <milanos> SerajewelKS: I actually have a 256G flashdrive for swap on a homemade server
• 2340[23:59:31] <SerajewelKS> just have to make sure you can tell when the drive is on its last leg so you can turn swap off before it brings your whole system down :)
• 2341[23:59:47] <milanos> Haha
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