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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
0 [00:00:03] <confusedlinuxuse> can im done asking, everywhere i asked this question i get yelled at, its like its some taboo forbiden knowledge, cant talk about hax, like how can u protect and secure yourself if you dont know how things work
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5 [00:02:33] <digdilem> that's why i suggested that channel. it's for security related questions. although what you're doing is what some folk will do to learn how to do bad things to, so it's not surprising there is a level of suspicion
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8 [00:03:34] <digdilem> poacher/gamekeeper paradox. you can't learn to be one without knownig a long about the other
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16 [00:09:25] <njsg> digdilem: I'd say suggesting ##security was a good diplomatic approach to this.
17 [00:11:05] <digdilem> thanks. didn't realise he'd left
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36 [00:29:44] <outoftime> Can a safely resize partition with liveusb?
37 [00:30:03] <outoftime> *can i
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39 [00:30:42] <mtn> outoftime: yes, but make sure to have backups, anyway
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44 [00:32:10] <outoftime> mtn, I can not see gparted and I do not have internet connection
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46 [00:33:12] <mtn> outoftime: oh, you mean the debian live disk or the netinstall?
47 [00:33:31] <outoftime> debian live
48 [00:33:54] <mtn> outoftime: not sure what it comes with and your wifi may need firmware
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51 [00:34:17] <mtn> outoftime: using another distro live disk might be better
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53 [00:35:21] <outoftime> mtn, forgot to pay for internet, will be offline for few days in time
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55 [00:35:51] <outoftime> *for internet in time
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57 [00:38:21] <outoftime> mtn, can you name few tools I should look for?
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59 [00:38:46] <mtn> outoftime: gparted or parted, as far as I know
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69 [00:41:41] <outoftime> I can see partx
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71 [00:43:18] <Aebian> window 6
72 [00:43:21] <Aebian> ups
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116 [01:08:22] <njsg> Is there any channel bot that can leave notes to users? There's two things I think are worth noting about outoftime's resizing question
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120 [01:09:48] <njsg> One is that resizing a partition is not the same as resizing a file system. It's a good idea to make sure the user gets the words right here. parted 3 for example can only resize partitions, older versions of parted were able to resize a few filesystems too.
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126 [01:11:09] <njsg> The other thing is that sharing the filesystem type might be a good idea.
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134 [01:15:37] <nyov> nshp: memoserv
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136 [01:15:51] <BCMM> njsg: if the user is registered, /msg memoserv help
137 [01:15:57] <BCMM> it's not a channel bot, it's a network-wide thing
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174 [01:44:27] <tjt263__> Hey, I've got an issue with a wireless NIC. Plug it in via USB. Indicator light turns on and off. Repeatedly appears briefly when ifconfig wlan1 || ip addr show wlan1 and the GUI says device nit managed
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177 [01:45:05] <tjt263__> tried all the simple remedies
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353 [04:16:12] <thorie> hi, i'm getting an error when creating a file: "No space left on device" but when i run `df -h` there's 70% disk space left on / ... any ideas why I might be getting this error all of a sudden?
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355 [04:17:30] <tomreyn> thorie: inodes. use df -i
356 [04:18:10] <themill> or you're looking on the wrong device
357 [04:18:54] <thorie> all of my IUse% is at 1% seems like i have enough... and wrong device? all of the entries in `df -h` show <30%
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360 [04:20:15] <tomreyn> then file system corruption or reserved space may explain it.
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362 [04:21:17] <thorie> alright i'll just randomly try rebooting
363 [04:21:23] <tomreyn> be sure to run df -h / -i against the very directory you tried to write to.
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369 [04:25:27] <thorie> alright rebooted and it seems like i can continue writing files again... that was weird, maybe the disk is bad... kind of annoying, it's a brand new vps i ordered
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371 [04:25:50] <nyov> hey, recently I cannot download any search addons anymore from addons.mozilla.org. did they disable that? or does anyone have a working User-Agent string with which it works?
372 [04:26:13] <nyov> "Your version of Firefox does not support search plugins." what a bunch of bs
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379 [04:31:02] <nyov> hm, looks like some search addons are simply disabled. weirdness
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398 [04:52:03] <LinuxGuy2020> I can not get "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" is not working for me. Does this not work anymore?
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400 [04:52:16] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
401 [04:52:16] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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403 [04:52:54] <petn-randall> LinuxGuy2020: ^^^
404 [04:53:17] <LinuxGuy2020> How much clearer can I be? It does one thing, adds i386 architecture for package installs.
405 [04:53:31] <LinuxGuy2020> Just say you dont know.
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408 [04:54:53] <LinuxGuy2020> Obviosuly you have no idea what that command does.
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418 [05:00:36] <nyov> it flashes the screen red+green and beeps the pcspkr *beeboopmeep* saying 'i don't work anymore'. so obvious, petn-randall, is your crystal ball at the repairshop?
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421 [05:01:40] <LinuxGuy2020> petn-randall can suck my cock
422 [05:02:08] <n4dir> nyov: that would be a good factoid
423 [05:02:58] <thorie> damn the error came back, still getting "No space left on device"
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425 [05:03:22] <nyov> thorie: what does `df -i` say?
426 [05:03:38] <thorie> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
427 [05:03:39] <thorie> /dev/ploop28303p1 32768000 64899 32703101 1% /
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429 [05:04:33] <nyov> what is ploop, FS?
430 [05:04:43] <thorie> no idea
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434 [05:05:02] <thorie> i'm not super technical
435 [05:05:21] <nyov> oh you say it's a vps? well uh hmm
436 [05:05:28] <petn-randall> LinuxGuy2020: Good luck finding support somewhere else.
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438 [05:06:58] <thorie> nyov: yeah i sent in a support ticket, but not sure what they can do about it
439 [05:07:31] <nyov> if it's brand new, maybe they do have some technical problem
440 [05:07:39] <nyov> with their host system
441 [05:07:50] <thorie> it was provisioned just 2 days ago
442 [05:08:20] <thorie> i wish there was a way to prove there is a hardware problem
443 [05:09:01] <nyov> I wouldn't think hardware problem per se. but some hypervisor limiting? I don't know what it could be
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445 [05:09:48] <nyov> but I'd ask for a replacement.
446 [05:10:11] <thorie> yeah that would be good
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515 [06:24:55] <Epakai> i did an install, grub failed. so i did replaced-url
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527 [06:37:28] <holycow> hi all
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529 [06:38:47] <holycow> anyone know what the deal is with nodejs?
530 [06:39:08] <holycow> debian repos seem to have 4.x and it seems to be on 10.x on nodejs.org
531 [06:39:16] <dka> I want to git clone using https without typing my password. I use git-credentials with git 2.11 on debian stretch. Git fail to use the credential even if they are tested valid locally. Any Idea
532 [06:39:32] <dka> holycow, you should install nodejs with nvm not using debian repo
533 [06:39:35] <holycow> dka: never used that, apologies
534 [06:39:49] <dka> replaced-url
535 [06:39:56] <dka> # wget -qO- replaced-url
536 [06:40:21] <holycow> oh
537 [06:40:36] <holycow> man that just goes against all my sysadmin intuition
538 [06:41:47] <holycow> dka: i appreciate the explanation, i was not really understanding why nmp / nodejs and stuff was not in repos
539 [06:41:50] <holycow> thank you
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542 [06:44:10] <dka> yw
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549 [06:47:23] <Epakai> got grub to boot, no kernel image installed so no entry generated. now i'm not finding the lvm under an encrypted partition. i think i know what i'm doing now though
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555 [06:48:56] <nyov> dka: why use https+password instead of ssh+key?
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558 [06:49:43] <dka> access_token expires, they are made to be renewed, they do not give ssh access
559 [06:49:50] <dka> they give access to git only
560 [06:50:08] <dka> I found them more appropriate for that task
561 [06:51:35] <nyov> no clue what you mean by that, but okay :)
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758 [09:18:04] <Haohmaru> also, connection with https is not exactly meant to be "fast and easy"
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761 [09:18:33] <srged> brondif: yeah im suing that
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763 [09:19:04] <srged> brondif: is adblock slowing me down ?
764 [09:19:24] <brondif> to much adds in youtube
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867 [09:21:27] <brondif> srged:very likely.
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874 [09:22:16] <brondif> the adds!
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880 [09:23:42] <srged> brondif: so the adblock is on, so no ads slow me down now. it must be something else
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889 [09:25:41] <brondif> srged:there is also malware site with crypto-currency wampires
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893 [09:26:35] <Haohmaru> huehue
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902 [09:28:06] <Haohmaru> the advancements in replaced-url
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952 [09:32:42] <brondif> how is the processor doing?
953 [09:32:42] <brondif> to load a https
954 [09:32:42] <Kaminota> srged, It could be DNS. Try a different provider.
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976 [09:38:55] <jelly> srged: browsers have developer tools now. Press F12, choose Network, press F5 or Control-r to reload the page and investigate where the slowness comes from
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980 [09:39:50] <jelly> both firefox and chromium have this functionality
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1214 [10:37:03] <zumba_addict> Hi folks. I installed docker with `apt-get install -y docker`. However, docker command still not found
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1218 [10:37:42] <nyov> zumba_addict: 'docker' is a System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications
1219 [10:37:47] <zumba_addict> oh
1220 [10:37:56] <zumba_addict> docker-ce
1221 [10:37:59] <nyov> you may be looking for docker.io
1222 [10:38:04] <zumba_addict> k
1223 [10:38:34] <nyov> ,v docker.io
1224 [10:38:35] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; buster: 18.06.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 18.06.1+dfsg1-2
1225 [10:38:43] <zumba_addict> didn't work
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1227 [10:38:55] <zumba_addict> i',m using minideb
1228 [10:39:00] <nyov> yeah. okay so that only exists in testing right now
1229 [10:39:30] <zumba_addict> apt-cache didn't return the docker i need
1230 [10:39:43] <zumba_addict> omg, I'm in big trouble
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1232 [10:39:58] <zumba_addict> i have to get up at 7am and it's already 4am
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1234 [10:40:03] <zumba_addict> i have a demo later
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1236 [10:41:26] <nyov> so what do you need
1237 [10:41:52] <zumba_addict> i just need the binary docker so I can deploy my container to a remote docker daemon
1238 [10:42:34] <nyov> what's your `cat /etc/debian_version`
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1240 [10:43:19] <nyov> and can you just add testing to your sources.list?
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1242 [10:43:24] <zumba_addict> one sec
1243 [10:43:38] <zumba_addict> i followed this, seems to be working - replaced-url
1244 [10:43:50] <nyov> then alright
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1248 [10:44:28] <zumba_addict> it is working
1249 [10:44:45] <zumba_addict> so many steps :(
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1253 [10:47:09] <laughingtiger> hi I've got no sound whatsoever on debian 9 ,computer is a asus fl8000un, don't know if this message is useful or not but pls help, I'm on the edge of trying ubuntu.
1254 [10:48:24] <njsg> laughingtiger: Did it work before? Did you just install debian?
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1259 [10:49:17] <laughingtiger> njsg, it's the first time I installed debian on this machine.
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1261 [10:49:22] <nyov> %) oh noes, help me or I'll switch to ubuntu!
1262 [10:49:29] <nyov> laughingtiger: `lspci -nn | grep "Audio"`
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1264 [10:49:50] <nyov> let us know what your soundcard looks like, please
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1266 [10:50:15] <laughingtiger> nyov, 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d71] (rev 21)
1267 [10:51:00] <nyov> snd-hda-intel, hmm should be workable
1268 [10:51:02] <laughingtiger> njsg, I also tried linux mint debian version, no sound either
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1271 [10:51:16] <njsg> laughingtiger: Did you unmute it?
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1328 [10:51:53] <laughingtiger> njsg, unmute? no the system icon is normal.
1329 [10:51:53] <njsg> Maybe these things changed nowadays, but in the lack of saved settings, the default at least for some cards was to have everything muted
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1333 [10:52:44] <nyov> do you have any output with `lsmod |grep snd` ?
1334 [10:52:59] <njsg> Nothing suspicious muted in alsamixer or something else that shows the full mixer?
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1336 [10:53:48] <laughingtiger> nyov, should I put the output here ?
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1338 [10:53:54] <nyov> no please
1339 [10:53:56] <nyov> !paste
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1342 [10:54:02] <laughingtiger> njsg, no muted thing with alsamixer
1343 [10:54:07] <njsg> Another thing you might need to worry about is if you have more than one audio output device
1344 [10:54:12] <nyov> but if you see snd_hda_intel, it should be ok
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1347 [10:54:52] <laughingtiger> nyov, yes I see it
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1353 [10:58:01] <laughingtiger> I can't adjust notification sound in the system settings it always returns to 0%.
1354 [10:58:41] <nyov> next thing I would try is `aplay some.wav`
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1356 [10:59:32] <nyov> if alsamixer isn't muted, this should at least be able to play through alsa. unless PA is highjacking things
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1362 [11:00:46] <laughingtiger> nyov, I suspected pulseaudio too but don't know how to deal with it.
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1364 [11:01:13] <nyov> does alsamixer read "PulseAudio" as your soundcard?
1365 [11:01:46] <laughingtiger> yes it is
1366 [11:01:51] <nyov> hm
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1368 [11:02:08] <nyov> run it as root, see if anything *there* is muted
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1372 [11:03:01] <nyov> btw, I'm not very skilled at debugging sound, if anyone else knows better please step up
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1418 [11:05:07] <laughingtiger> nyov, anto-mute mode is enabled, and headphone is 0%
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1422 [11:05:27] <nyov> that should be okay though
1423 [11:05:54] <nyov> as long as master and PCM are up
1424 [11:06:01] <laughingtiger> oh
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1427 [11:07:32] <nyov> but use 'm' to unmute if you're unsure
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1430 [11:09:01] <nyov> well, I can't see the issue if the volume is all up and the card seems loaded :/
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1433 [11:12:43] <nyov> laughingtiger: do you have pavucontrol open? perhaps it's muted there somehow
1434 [11:13:13] <nyov> but that seems unlikely
1435 [11:13:28] <laughingtiger> nyov, no it's not installed
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1437 [11:13:44] <laughingtiger> nyov, can this be a hardware limitation?
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1440 [11:14:11] <laughingtiger> that this computer can only be used for windows?
1441 [11:14:13] <nyov> did it work in some previous OS?
1442 [11:14:27] <laughingtiger> everything works fine under windows 10
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1444 [11:14:56] <selckin> pavucontrol has much more understandable display of the settings
1445 [11:15:00] <selckin> try it
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1447 [11:15:21] <laughingtiger> selckin, ok
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1449 [11:17:03] <nyov> ,pciid 8086:9d71
1450 [11:17:04] <judd> [8086:9d71] is 'Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-soc-skl', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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1457 [11:18:54] <laughingtiger> selckin, everything seems ok in pavucontrol, but still no sound
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1460 [11:19:32] <selckin> play around till there is sound
1461 [11:19:36] <nyov> replaced-url
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1463 [11:20:31] <nyov> *does* look like an issue with the card, currently
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1468 [11:22:37] <nyov> some say sound volume is really low, others say headphones must be plugged in to get soudn from speakers. weird
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1473 [11:26:15] <laughingtiger> though one thing I forgot to mention is when I install debian it said sth like "load some file from usb,yes or no", I had to choose no, then the installation continues. could this be the cause?
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1478 [11:28:18] <laughingtiger> thank you guys. I'll play around till there's sound.
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1481 [11:28:45] <nyov> looks like a newer alsa driver version may help
1482 [11:28:51] <nyov> nvm
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1485 [11:31:09] <jelly> ,pciid 8086:9d71
1486 [11:31:10] <judd> [8086:9d71] is 'Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-soc-skl', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
1487 [11:31:18] <jelly> that sounds new
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1499 [11:36:58] <emilsp> Is it possible to list different dependencies for different install targets in the same deb file? Basically, I was hoping to make the same deb for both ubuntu and debian, but ubuntu gone and screwed up the name of libdbus
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1511 [11:44:06] <CodeHunter> Does anyone here use nvidia graphics with debian?
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1513 [11:44:55] <CodeHunter> I would like to have two screen and both separate from eachother, but as far as I can tell it combines the two as one long screen.
1514 [11:46:06] <CodeHunter> Could I be misunderstanding the setup?
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1535 [11:58:28] <laughingtiger> I tried ubuntu live, and got sound. thought I have to tell.
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1538 [11:59:16] <selckin> compare what you saw in pavucontrol
1539 [11:59:16] <nyov> laughingtiger: awesome :)
1540 [11:59:25] <laughingtiger> I think for a linux novice I'll have to stick with ubuntu for a while.
1541 [11:59:31] <laughingtiger> nyov, :D
1542 [11:59:41] <laughingtiger> nyov, thank you very much
1543 [12:00:00] <laughingtiger> selckin, and?
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1545 [12:00:14] <nyov> it's probably having a newer alsa driver database
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1547 [12:00:25] <laughingtiger> nyov, yeah.
1548 [12:00:26] <nyov> since your card seems relatively new
1549 [12:00:35] <nyov> you could try debian testing ;)
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1552 [12:01:17] <laughingtiger> nyov, that's a good advice. didn't know that.
1553 [12:01:34] <nyov> or just stick with what works
1554 [12:01:54] <laughingtiger> lol
1555 [12:02:39] <domovoy> your opinion about security: i ssh to 'example.org' with account 'foobar' using my ssh key. on example.org, ssh: 'PermitRootLogin no', 'PasswordAuthentication no', 'AllowGroups operator'. 'foobar' is member of 'operator adm staff users'. sudo: '%adm ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL'. What kind of security risk adding 'NOPASSWD:' introduce?
1556 [12:03:09] <laughingtiger> see you. I'm lucky to meet you guys.
1557 [12:03:16] <nyov> have fun
1558 [12:03:26] <laughingtiger> :D
1559 [12:03:37] <laughingtiger> thanks
1560 [12:03:40] <blackflow> domovoy: negates any usefulness of sudo, unless you limiti nopasswd only to some specific scripts
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1562 [12:03:56] <blackflow> domovoy: you can just as well login as root and remove the complication of not being root
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1565 [12:04:31] <domovoy> blackflow> i see, makes sense
1566 [12:05:13] <nyov> yeah the chance of privilege escalation from a user account with NOPASSWD looks somewhat higher, than ssh-ing in as root with a keyfile
1567 [12:06:19] <blackflow> what!
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1569 [12:06:51] <nyov> you disagree?
1570 [12:07:10] <domovoy> nyov> looks higher? i'd say it's exactly the same thing, as blackflow said, as long as you can ssh (as root or user with NOPASSWD), then you are root
1571 [12:07:11] <blackflow> what with? that sentence didn't make much sense. hence the "what!"
1572 [12:08:10] <nyov> i mean someone gaining unprivileged access to your box through a hack has an easier time to get root with a sudo NOPASSWD setup
1573 [12:08:35] <blackflow> logging in as non-root and then having full passwordless sudo ability make zero sense. the only illusion of increased security comes from having a username that is not "root"
1574 [12:08:58] <nyov> so I would go with a 'PermitRootLogin prohibit-password' instead
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1578 [12:11:29] <blackflow> or.... use non-root login and normal sudo, without NOPASSWD
1579 [12:11:41] <blackflow> because in that there _is_ slight security increase, yes.
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1597 [12:30:43] <nyov> I was assuming he wanted scripted access, otherwise it makes no sense after all
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1605 [12:35:33] <tdn> How do I configure my system to automatically lock user accounts for X minutes on failed login attempts?
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1613 [12:44:59] <deemand> tdn: Is it a standard system that utilises pam?
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1615 [12:45:37] <tdn> deemand, yes
1616 [12:45:49] <tdn> deemand, I assume it uses PAM. I have not changed anything from default
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1618 [12:46:51] <deemand> Yes, it's probably PAM. You can tell PAM the maximum number of failed attempts and the action to take. Here's a tecmint piece on it: replaced-url
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1632 [12:52:53] <zebulon-1st> hi. I use debian stretch. When I run lshw, I can see I have 4 "System peripheral" (all the "Core Processor xxx") with no specific module loaded. It is wrong or safe ? Thx
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1651 [13:04:33] <petn-randall> zebulon-1st: Sounds normal to me.
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1658 [13:08:39] <deemand> tdn: I think, I gave you the wrong howto. If it didn't work, have a look at the manpage of pam_tally. replaced-url
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1676 [13:18:12] <tdn> deemand, thanks
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1704 [13:38:50] <__m4ch1n3__> is there a way to get cpu temperature from commandline with onboard tools in debian?
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1707 [13:39:47] <fling> __m4ch1n3__: sensors
1708 [13:40:07] <colo-work> find /sys/ -type f -a -name "temp*_*" -exec grep . {} +
1709 [13:43:34] <deemand> That's nifty. Common people install lm-sensors.
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1711 [13:44:04] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm this is my sensors output replaced-url
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1717 [13:46:42] <__m4ch1n3__> the machine is a laptop btw with 4 cores cpu + intergrated intel gpu + nvidia gpu and all share 1 fan
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1730 [13:53:08] <__m4ch1n3__> find /sys/ ... output same, there are only 2 cores listed
1731 [13:53:12] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1732 [13:53:33] <__m4ch1n3__> lscpu says 4 cores, thats confusing
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1734 [13:55:10] <colo-work> could be hyperthreading
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1736 [13:55:42] <blackflow> __m4ch1n3__: which cpu model is that?
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1738 [13:55:49] <synthmeat> so, journalctl -u name.service --since='12 hours ago' gives me results only for the last boot. without --since, i can see it has much more logs from before too, storage is persistent. a way to get the command to actually do what i really want it?
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1742 [13:57:01] <__m4ch1n3__> blackflow, replaced-url
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1746 [13:57:49] <blackflow> __m4ch1n3__: yeah that's a 2-core HT chip, so what colo-work said - it's HT
1747 [13:58:25] <blackflow> __m4ch1n3__: in that you'll have 2 cores, thus 2 temp sensors, but lspcu will think there's 4 computing units. it's confusing like that, yes.
1748 [13:59:02] <blackflow> HT sucks anyway. openbsd dropped support for it. next gen i7 CPUs will not be HT.
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1751 [14:00:07] <colo-work> there are workloads that benefit tremendously from it, though.
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1753 [14:01:21] <blackflow> colo-work: same workloads would benefit even more with more actual cores. HT only adds some ~30% more cycles for HT optimized (fits in cpu caches) cpu-bound workloads.
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1755 [14:01:59] <blackflow> now, that's for intelware. I don't know how Power9 HT scales.
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1757 [14:02:17] <colo-work> sure, but if you can have 30% speedup by setting a bios/boot option, versus having 100% speedup by waiting for a cpu generation of two years in the future... I'd choose the former, most of the time 8)
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1759 [14:02:38] <blackflow> colo-work: right. because things are not black and white, but in general? HT sucks :)
1760 [14:02:50] <colo-work> the ordinary user won't need it
1761 [14:03:11] <__m4ch1n3__> shit and i bought the HT crap
1762 [14:03:46] <blackflow> common pitfal exacerbated by stupid linux tools reporting HT as a "core".
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1765 [14:06:16] <pagetelegram> What mobile broadband card is working out of box with Debian? For laptop that accepts such cards as I can't get my Gobi 2000 by Sierrea to work
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1767 [14:06:27] <blackflow> actually, what's worse, /proc/cpuinf says "processor", as if you had entire extra physical chip in there.
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1769 [14:07:48] <blackflow> so you have multi-socketed, multi-core, multi-threaded buzzword multi-sale of the very same wafer multi-cookie-cut.
1770 [14:08:12] <jelly> blackflow: now, will they have HT disabled because their HT implementation is buggy as hell (L1TF), or because of a technical choice?
1771 [14:09:17] <blackflow> jelly: I don't know, but I' think it's a "technical choice in that HT is overly complex, buggy and increasingly insecure" all-in-one packaged decision :)
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1773 [14:10:07] <blackflow> rumors abound tho: replaced-url
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1781 [14:11:37] <jelly> blackflow: score one for amd.
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1787 [14:13:46] <blackflow> jelly: which makes me wonder how is IBM doing it better with 8 threaded HT per power9 core... :) and if it's even better. I hear it's all the rage now in datacenters, _and_ supposedly secure.
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1790 [14:13:57] <jelly> pagetelegram: gobi2000 is a rather old 3G card, that ought to work...
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1792 [14:14:56] <jelly> pagetelegram: how does it fail? Is it visible in lspci? Can you open the serial port with minicom?
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1794 [14:15:28] <pagetelegram> Doens't out of box...I tried loading gobi_load from apt tho I think that is rather a windows driver wrapper. ANyhow been bouncing between distros. Linux sees it as a device, just network manager does not show it.
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1796 [14:17:16] <pagetelegram> lspci does not show it...it registeres thou as a USB device by the syste,m
1797 [14:17:35] <pagetelegram> I forget which command lists all usb devices
1798 [14:18:00] <blackflow> pagetelegram: seen this btw? replaced-url
1799 [14:18:08] <blackflow> pagetelegram: lsusb
1800 [14:18:09] <jelly> lsusb
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1802 [14:18:40] <pagetelegram> Yeah it's listed there usb device 02
1803 [14:18:57] <jelly> pagetelegram: which debian release are you using? apt-cache search gobi_load returns nothing on stretch (debian 9)
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1805 [14:19:34] <jelly> ,i gobi-loader
1806 [14:19:35] <judd> Package gobi-loader (contrib/admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: Firmware loader for Qualcomm Gobi USB chipsets.. Version: 0.6-1+b2; Size: 6.2k; Installed: 28k; Homepage: replaced-url
1807 [14:19:55] <jelly> does not sound like a driver wrapper.
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1814 [14:22:39] <pagetelegram> I'm on Fedora at the moment however I rather prefer debian since that's what I grew up on. WindowMakerLive is my favorite flavor tho that only is Deb8 atm.
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1816 [14:23:21] <blackflow> pagetelegram: so wait, you're testing this in Debian.... how?
1817 [14:23:24] <pagetelegram> THanks judd for the clarification
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1819 [14:24:18] <pagetelegram> I installed Fedora two nights ago after fails with Debian. I was on here three days ago with these questions so I'm happy to get some direction now as Debian is what I prefer to use
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1821 [14:25:22] <Fox> I've been using windowmaker for 18 years and didn't even know there was a WindowMakerLive distro :)
1822 [14:25:45] <blackflow> pagetelegram: so any solution given here would be void because you're not on Debian to try it out? meanwhile, have you seen that archlinux link? perhaps try to get it working without NM first? you know, solve one variable at a time.
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1824 [14:26:45] <pagetelegram> I did see that arch link and looking through it now. Thank you. I'm gonna get off Fedora and back on Debian soon. WindowMaker live by tomorrow. Thanks. I'd rather not have to buy a new 3g/4g modem card.
1825 [14:27:26] <pagetelegram> Fox, happy to turn you on to it.
1826 [14:27:49] <pagetelegram> And happy to know someone else prefers the ui other than me
1827 [14:28:13] <Fox> pagetelegram: I'm prefer installing windowmaker myself, on a stable debian release ;)
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1830 [14:28:40] <pagetelegram> Fox, the only other ui I like alot is the Unix Motif's CDE.
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1832 [14:29:04] <pagetelegram> The launch pad shares common history with at the time IBM OS/2 Warp 3
1833 [14:29:21] <Fox> hell, I remember using that on RS6000
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1835 [14:29:45] <pagetelegram> However only one deb distro uses it, it's author and project dropped from all existence.
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1837 [14:29:56] <pagetelegram> cdebian it was called
1838 [14:30:18] <pagetelegram> Never heard of RS6000
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1840 [14:31:46] <Fox> replaced-url
1841 [14:31:51] <jelly> I might have a Sun Sparc server or two from 2003 that run CDE (on Solaris 9 or so) in the basement...
1842 [14:31:54] <Fox> but we're OT anyway
1843 [14:32:54] <pagetelegram> I'm somewhat renewed to freenode, is there a vintage computing channel that you recommend for this chatter type?
1844 [14:33:05] <jelly> you don't have to switch distros to switch desktop environments
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1846 [14:33:16] <Fox> no idea pagetelegram
1847 [14:33:27] <papemco> Hello, just intalled mtp-tools, it can detect my mtp device in terminal but cant mount in thunar, what to do?
1848 [14:33:48] <pagetelegram> I know, my main concern right now is the broadband card support and using Debian as my preferred system
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1855 [14:36:55] <tdn> Is it possible to prevent suspend and hipernate system wide on a system? Users seem to be able to set their own settings in KDE Power Management. I would like to prevent this from happening at all.
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1858 [14:37:58] <blackflow> tdn: probably by adjusting polkit rules
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1874 [14:49:24] <tw> tdn: you can inhibit sleep and shutdown. it's part of logind.
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1876 [14:49:48] <tw> I don't know if that's the right approach, but I know it can be done that way.
1877 [14:50:18] <tw> it'd be /etc/systemd/logind.conf
1878 [14:50:59] <tdn> tw, will look into that.
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1881 [14:51:58] <blackflow> tdn: replaced-url
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1884 [14:52:17] <blackflow> was like first result for "adjust polit rules".
1885 [14:52:22] <at0m> tdn: or remove pm-utils ?
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1888 [14:53:34] <tw> does polkit use javascript <.<
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1890 [14:53:59] <blackflow> the rules are javascript snippets yes
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1893 [14:55:41] <tw> So instead of using shell scripts, we're using javascript now. I'm slow to follow along, interesting.
1894 [14:56:23] <colo-work> what the fuck
1895 [14:56:36] <colo-work> and... what is interpreting these snippets?
1896 [14:56:54] <blackflow> an ecma script interpreter, of course.
1897 [14:57:02] <jelly> wasn't polkit xml
1898 [14:57:29] <blackflow> those are actions :)
1899 [14:57:31] <jelly> JS everywhere! What could POSSIBLY go wrong!
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1903 [14:58:06] <blackflow> rules are JS (ECMA, more precisely), actions are XML.
1904 [14:58:29] <blackflow> would be nice if it was LUA instead.
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1911 [15:00:37] <blackflow> that's what you get when self taught web developers dive into system development. gods forbid if an audio daemon developer would ever consider writing critical OS middleware.
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1917 [15:01:43] <blackflow> and once you get into fifth stage of grief -- acceptance -- you'll see that using an expression langauge as JS for polkit rules - and polkit itself - ain't that bad after all.
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1919 [15:02:19] <n4dir> and one year later everyone will tell you how great it is, and how lousy the past was.
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1921 [15:02:37] <blackflow> true, true.
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1923 [15:02:45] <jelly> well it's not suprising coming from basically the gnome team at redhat.
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1928 [15:04:26] <blackflow> the freedesktop faction of it. :)
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1930 [15:05:42] <blackflow> problem is not that someone wrote such a critical piece with JS. problem is that nobody said "Whoa there Nelly, you can't! There be better tools, like LUA!" and wrote a functional, better, alternative before entire (free)desktop world settled on polkit.
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1933 [15:09:35] <n4dir> you don't hear that often of lua, but a friend of mine who was in programming tried and liked it a lot. Else he was mainly a perl guy, but tried languages all the time. It, lua, sure looked very clear to me. end of story time (i mainly miss that friend)
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1935 [15:10:52] <tw> Things don't get better on acceptance ;)
1936 [15:13:04] <blackflow> the advantage of LUA is that it's very light and embeddable into any application that requires scripting or an expression language. LUA is basically just syntax and programming rules. your app needs to define functions that actually do something.
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1959 [15:22:54] <xevilstar> hello, is anyone using displaylink successfully with debian buster xorg-server 2:1.20.1-4 (replaced-url
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1961 [15:23:17] <xevilstar> and adding it to the grub defaults conf .... no success
1962 [15:24:05] <xevilstar> wonder how is it possible to tweak the monitor resolution under wayland (so at least I see something)
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1965 [15:26:02] <xevilstar> wayland-scanner -v wayland-scanner 1.16.0
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1975 [15:34:26] <Fox> !debian-next
1976 [15:34:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1977 [15:34:35] <Fox> xevilstar: ^
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2018 [15:59:29] <Trel> Anyone have an issue with Debian in Hyper-V where the grub boot screen background comes up but not any of the text to choose install, etc?
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2021 [16:00:46] <Trel> Like this: replaced-url
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2024 [16:02:19] <dka> Debian, git v2.11, ~/.git-credentials not being used. Credentials tested valid. Anyone got an explanation?
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2039 [16:04:27] <Trel> dka: what's your git config look like, both the global and the one local to the repo?
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2047 [16:05:45] <dka> git config --list --global to get the global Trel ?
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2051 [16:07:19] <Trel> dka: believe so
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2057 [16:11:08] <dka> replaced-url
2058 [16:11:27] <dka> If you can find why my credentials are not used I tip you 10 bucks
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2066 [16:15:46] <Trel> dka: are you actually connecting to a hostname called private directly?
2067 [16:16:00] <dka> Trel I have edited them they are not correct
2068 [16:16:06] <jelly> Trel: no, but which hyper-v (which windows server version)
2069 [16:16:06] <dka> yes I am
2070 [16:16:19] <dka> the hostname exist because it can clone it, and it exist in my intranet
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2073 [16:17:11] <Trel> jelly: 2012 r2 is the server version, hyper-v should be the latest, and VM was created as a gen 1
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2105 [16:39:30] <Trel> dka: is it possible you need the FQDN? What's the search domain for your intranet?
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2109 [16:40:14] <dka> not possible
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2111 [16:40:56] <daniel-mcr> Hi, I'm using Debian 9 with Gnome 3, Software and Updates, Updates tab, when there are other updates dropdown cannot be selected, is this intentional?
2112 [16:41:08] <daniel-mcr> It is blank.
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2126 [16:46:18] <Trel> dka: have to ask as well, you use http or https when you push/pull from the repo?
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2129 [16:47:54] <Trel> Also, did you manually fill in .git-credentials or did it when you logged in the first time?
2130 [16:48:09] <dka> I manually filled it
2131 [16:48:13] <dka> with a echo "" >
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2135 [16:48:33] <dka> I use http and https, I got 4 gitlab instances
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2137 [16:48:46] <dka> if https, the SSL certificate is trusted
2138 [16:48:56] <Trel> well, if you're using https, the credentials in the file won't match
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2164 [17:03:50] <n4dir> i did a quick search, web and manpage, but no result. mocp the audioplayer doesn't show/play wma files. Is it possible to do it? besides converting the files.
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2168 [17:04:41] <fling> n4dir: try mpd
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2188 [17:11:13] <rek> hi guys, i'm on stretch i was wondering if i can set the encription and passphrase from terminal for an adhoc wireless connection
2189 [17:11:38] <rek> can i set everything in /etc/network/interfaces?
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2191 [17:11:45] <kirk781> Or, try a player with a GUI
2192 [17:12:00] <kirk781> Clemetine/Audacious plays all
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2194 [17:12:22] <rek> like like wpa-ssid myssid wpa--psk my key ?
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2200 [17:12:57] <n4dir> the problem is how to do it with moc.
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2212 [17:17:28] <__m4ch1n3__> if you use network-manager on your system maybe try nmcli
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2215 [17:18:06] <__m4ch1n3__> nmcli network-manager commandline interface
2216 [17:18:13] <__m4ch1n3__> *=
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2218 [17:18:43] <rek> will use wpa_supplicant.conf
2219 [17:19:01] <rek> i use only /etc/network/interfaces
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2224 [17:22:32] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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2226 [17:23:55] <rek> doesn't talk about encription
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2238 [17:29:01] <nemo> does anyone know of a stretch backport of gimp 2.10 ?
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2240 [17:29:16] <nemo> I found: replaced-url
2241 [17:29:46] <nemo> but I wasn't sure how reliable opensuse would be in I added it to my sources
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2243 [17:30:36] <greycat> judd claims a backport of gimp from sid would have unsatisfiable build deps
2244 [17:30:54] <greycat> doesn't mean it's not possible, but it would probably take some serious effort
2245 [17:31:15] <nemo> greycat: #gimp notes gimp pretty much always needs latest babl/gegl
2246 [17:31:25] <nemo> greycat: so I'm gonna guess the repo mentioned in that opensuse project provides those as well
2247 [17:31:35] <nemo> presumably "at-your-own-risk"
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2249 [17:31:59] <nemo> greycat: I did run into a lot of unsatisfiable build requirements although I'm not sure how many are firm and fast
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2251 [17:32:02] <nemo> (aside from those 2)
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2253 [17:32:41] <nemo> greycat: replaced-url
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2256 [17:33:02] <nemo> couple of those are possibly not real errors
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2260 [17:34:09] <nemo> greycat: doesn't look like there's *too* much here replaced-url
2261 [17:34:17] <nemo> greycat: maybe I'll just add it, note down what it upgrades
2262 [17:34:20] <nemo> and if it blows up, revert
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2266 [17:37:13] <n4dir> nemo: i know stevepusser well from forums.debian.net. As far i can tell what he does he does well ( i even wanted to point you to the MX/Mepis community repos and check if it gimp exists there).
2267 [17:37:39] <n4dir> i for one am not a big fan of adding third party in general though (hence ain't got much experience with it)
2268 [17:37:40] <nemo> n4dir: kk. well. trying it now, here goes...
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2270 [17:37:49] <nemo> n4dir: yeah, I tried doing my own build first but...
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2273 [17:38:05] <nemo> n4dir: they have a flatpak too, but just... ew
2274 [17:38:09] <nemo> bad enough I have to rely on this
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2276 [17:39:52] <nemo> n4dir: I guess I just need it until march ☺
2277 [17:39:54] <n4dir> like said: as far i can tell (and it sure ain't very far ... :-) )
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2279 [17:40:17] <n4dir> but he does have a reputation.
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2283 [17:42:37] <jelly> nemo: also those builds are actually for stretch and not some random ubuntu release like ppa
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2285 [17:43:22] <nemo> jelly: yeah, I was using example of PPA 'cause I'm busy transitioning all my ubuntu machines to devuan, which is basically debian
2286 [17:43:27] <nemo> jelly: so there's a mild learning curve there
2287 [17:43:48] <nemo> jelly: but I stayed on ubuntu 14.04 for a long time, basically due to PPA backports
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2289 [17:45:05] <nemo> jelly: just today I learned that the reason both my tower and my laptop were lacking graphics accel is 'cause debian does not install firmware-amd-graphics by default
2290 [17:45:25] <nemo> I'm guessing ubuntu does - and never occurred to me to look for that error buried in dmesg - Xorg log was telling quite another story
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2294 [17:46:15] <jelly> firmware is sadly not free software, and Debian will never enable binary-only firmware installation by default
2295 [17:46:20] <nemo> oh well, I'll leave all the -dev packages in place, I'll probably need them eventually
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2297 [17:46:37] <nemo> jelly: I'm thinking in ubuntu it is covered by the checkbox in the installer asking about installing non-free stuff for graphics and such
2298 [17:47:12] <greycat> Debian is not Ubuntu.
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2300 [17:47:18] <nemo> greycat: sure sure.
2301 [17:47:34] <__m4ch1n3__> nemo preportary firmware for gpu is in contrib/non-free sources, you have to edit your sources.list first, or install from unofficial firware iso
2302 [17:47:37] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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2304 [17:48:02] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: yeah. I fixed both of 'em, it's all better. it was just being unaware since the radeon driver was installed and there was no clear way to tell that was the prob
2305 [17:48:09] <__m4ch1n3__> *proprietary gdamnit
2306 [17:48:12] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: I mean, it was super obvious in dmesg, but I normally check the xorg log ☺
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2308 [17:48:41] <nemo> anyway, now I know. it'll help me when support Hedgewars users in future - I've asked them totally wrong questions it seems
2309 [17:48:59] <nemo> like "is radeon installed" and "does glxinfo say direct rendering is enabled" (turns out these days that's "yes" due to CPU emulation)
2310 [17:49:16] <nemo> can ask 'em to check for this error in dmesg too
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2312 [17:50:46] <__m4ch1n3__> glxinfo | grep "server glx"
2313 [17:51:04] <__m4ch1n3__> if it says mesa then its software emulated
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2322 [17:52:33] <__m4ch1n3__> else it would return something like "server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation"
2323 [17:52:39] <jelly> nemo: yeah, debian will never have that, core debian documents state the focus on free software
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2325 [17:52:51] <jelly> and users.
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2329 [17:54:00] <nemo> jelly: not a big deal, just need something or someone to tell me
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2331 [17:54:15] <nemo> jelly: the installer could perhaps have mentioned it "hey, we're putting radeon on here, but don't expect it to work or anything" 😉
2332 [17:54:29] <nemo> but not a big deal. now I know. one more linux fact tucked away
2333 [17:54:59] <nemo> and #radeon was definitely the place to go, #debian and #devuan were equally confused by the mildly misleading glxinfo/Xorg log
2334 [17:55:21] <__m4ch1n3__> yes but all drives from contrib/nonfree run like a charm, xserver + nvidia driver in debian repository eaven supports prime synchronistation
2335 [17:55:32] <nemo> wassat?
2336 [17:55:51] <nemo> what's the state of FOSS nvidia these days, is it getting better?
2337 [17:55:58] <jelly> no
2338 [17:56:13] <nemo> I had to ditch it on my home computer 'cause I'd bought a couple of linux games on steam
2339 [17:56:25] <nemo> kinda wishing I'd gone amd but, eh, maybe next card
2340 [17:56:27] <jelly> amd is the right way to go if you don't care about GPGPU and want free drivers
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2342 [17:56:53] <__m4ch1n3__> vsync on laptops with intel integrated intel gpu and discrete nvidia gpu when running nvidia driver only, without gpu offloading
2343 [17:56:53] <nemo> jelly: well, I'm not hugely worked up about blobs, except they have an annoying habit of integrating like crap and crashing randomly for inexplicable reasons on updates
2344 [17:56:58] <jelly> anecdotal evidence, nouveau is not very stable
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2347 [17:57:30] <jelly> uptime with nvidia blob and GT220 and GT730 cards: 2+ weeks
2348 [17:57:44] <jelly> uptime with nouveau: never more than 3 days
2349 [17:58:29] <__m4ch1n3__> glx performance is so bad
2350 [17:58:40] <nemo> jelly: yeah, nouveau was fine w/ simple stuff, but it couldn't handle, for example, The Witcher 2
2351 [17:59:03] <nemo> jelly: Hedgewars was fine, but then, our graphics are pretty damn primitive.
2352 [17:59:08] <jelly> nemo: it couldn't handle the first Portal, for me
2353 [17:59:09] <nemo> I was surprised that Planetary Annihilation was fine
2354 [17:59:22] <nemo> jelly: hm. I played Portal 2 on nouveau last year
2355 [17:59:24] <nemo> maybe has improved
2356 [17:59:40] <__m4ch1n3__> can play csgo with 100fps in debian on my laptop when running nvidia driver only, in windows you cant do that and csgo runs at 40-50 fps
2357 [18:00:00] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: what you're using for a desktop environment probably matters a lot too
2358 [18:00:04] <nemo> some are more demanding than others
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2362 [18:00:24] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: like... good luck playing a demanding game *and* using a composited window manager on an intel card
2363 [18:00:47] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
2364 [18:01:13] <nemo> jelly: also... this non-free amd firmware might be an older card model thing? I did not have to install it on my SO's laptop when I moved her from ubuntu to devuan
2365 [18:01:27] <nemo> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Carrizo (rev c8)
2366 [18:01:30] <nemo> (her card)
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2368 [18:01:57] <LaScoumoune> hello la team
2369 [18:02:00] <nemo> salut
2370 [18:02:20] <jelly> nemo: probably all amd branded cards all need fw. Newer intel also need it.
2371 [18:02:27] <nemo> jelly: hm
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2373 [18:02:36] <jelly> some really old ATI might have not
2374 [18:03:13] <jelly> nemo: devuan is not debian, I have no idea what their policy wrt firmware is.
2375 [18:03:48] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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2377 [18:04:18] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: yeah, that's what I installed - eventually, on my 2 older machines - I mentioned it above
2378 [18:04:26] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: but, *her* machine I never installed it
2379 [18:04:34] <nemo> and yet it seems to be handling the AMD card fine
2380 [18:04:42] <nemo> not a peep in dmesg, and xorg seems fine too
2381 [18:04:46] <jelly> might be already there.
2382 [18:05:05] <nemo> jelly: lol. you're right. WTH - did I really forget I installed that?
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2385 [18:05:29] <jelly> again, it's not debian, they might be doing hw detection and installation where needed
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2387 [18:05:44] <jelly> who knows
2388 [18:06:00] <nemo> jelly: naw. it's basically same install as here. I'm now up to 5 devuan machines - and they are very very close to debian. barely any changes
2389 [18:06:17] <nemo> jelly: I must have just forgotten. bah. that would have saved me some trouble on these 2 new ones
2390 [18:06:18] <jelly> it would be one of the more obvious things to help with user friendliness
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2392 [18:06:36] <nemo> jelly: well mentioning it at least, but yeah, I'm almost positive they don't. I'll have to ask
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2394 [18:06:49] <jelly> #debianfork is over there ->
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2396 [18:07:45] <nemo> btw, installing that opensuse gimp repo does seem to have worked fine
2397 [18:08:01] <nemo> just had to remove the mypaint distro packages from my failed build-it-myself
2398 [18:08:13] <__m4ch1n3__> ubuntu has jockey-gtk which detects hw and installs non-free firmware, but if you try install bumblebee or cuda or stuff like that you need fix lot config files manualy, in debian everything runs after installation
2399 [18:08:37] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: they also do something similar in the installer itself, pretty sure...
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2401 [18:09:01] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: but I'd swear I did a clean devuan/debian install on her machine. I must just have a crappy memory for what I installed
2402 [18:09:36] <nemo> yay. so nice to be on gimp 2.10 - PSDs are way more readable in it, layer groups etc
2403 [18:09:49] <__m4ch1n3__> devuan is a debian derivate without sytemd or?
2404 [18:10:02] <jelly> !devuan
2405 [18:10:03] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
2406 [18:10:06] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: yeah, but it's a very small number of packages, so it's basically stock debian
2407 [18:10:28] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: 95-98% stretch I'd say
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2409 [18:10:34] <jelly> nemo: it's NOT debian, stop saying that
2410 [18:10:51] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
2411 [18:11:14] <nemo> fine, it's not at all debian, but they don't change much 😝
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2413 [18:11:41] <jelly> good
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2438 [18:25:00] <tjt263> does this look right? replaced-url
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2441 [18:25:27] <tjt263> just to assign multiple ips to a single interface
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2443 [18:26:17] <tjt263> seem to be able to ping the addresses, but they don't show up in the local arp cache
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2450 [18:28:49] <jelly> tjt263: they won't show up in arp output on the very same machine, kernel shortcuts that traffic and it doesn't go out the interface
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2452 [18:29:32] <tjt263> damn. can it?
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2454 [18:29:51] <tjt263> i was setting up a thing for a little educational demo
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2456 [18:30:37] <tjt263> it kind of relied on that
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2458 [18:31:04] <tjt263> jelly: forgot to tag you
2459 [18:31:25] <fling> W: Size of file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_non-free_binary-armel_Packages.gz is not what the server reported 70212 70255
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2463 [18:33:40] <fling> Which package to install to get apt command? I only have apt-get.
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2465 [18:33:57] <tjt263> fling: aptitude, i think
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2469 [18:34:12] <tjt263> i'm not sure
2470 [18:34:16] <fling> aptitude is already the newest version.
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2473 [18:34:52] <fling> But I've not updated it since 2015 I think. It was turned off since then hmm hmmm.
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2475 [18:35:45] <jhutchins_wk> fling: What release are you on?
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2477 [18:36:44] <tjt263> actually, it'sjust apt
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2479 [18:37:06] <tjt263> apt-cache search apt shows it
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2481 [18:37:34] <fling> jhutchins_wk: Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
2482 [18:38:01] <fling> tjt263: apt is already the newest version.
2483 [18:38:11] <fling> -bash: apt: command not found
2484 [18:38:27] <greycat> PATH is screwed up?
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2486 [18:38:35] <tjt263> yeah, sounds like
2487 [18:38:40] <fling> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
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2489 [18:38:58] <rek> i don't find any way to set encription for an adhoc connection guys what do you think?
2490 [18:39:00] <tjt263> find / -type f -name apt
2491 [18:39:46] <greycat> ls -ld /usr/bin/apt; file /usr/bin/apt
2492 [18:39:49] <tjt263> you might have to update your /etc/apt/sources too, im not sure
2493 [18:39:51] <fling> /etc/cron.daily/apt /etc/logrotate.d/apt /usr/lib/apt/solvers/apt
2494 [18:40:08] <greycat> don't waste a lot of I/O doing a search when you already know where it's supposed to be
2495 [18:40:30] <tjt263> well it's obviously not where it's supposed to be
2496 [18:40:36] <greycat> ls -ld /usr/bin/apt; file /usr/bin/apt
2497 [18:40:43] <tjt263> takes like 30 seconds
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2499 [18:41:01] <fling> tjt263: replaced-url
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2502 [18:41:54] <fling> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/apt: No such file or directory \n /usr/bin/apt: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/bin/apt' (No such file or directory)
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2505 [18:42:36] <greycat> Well, sounds like it's time to reinstall the apt pacakge.
2506 [18:43:01] <fling> greycat: how to? I'm from gentoo.
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2508 [18:43:23] <tjt263> yeah, i was going to suggest that, not sure if it would bork up his current apt-get though
2509 [18:43:46] <greycat> Well, since apt is missing, you'll have to do it by hand. Download the appropriate apt binary .deb file from packages.debian.org (or wherever) and then do "dpkg -i apt_whatever.deb" on it.
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2511 [18:44:04] <tjt263> he can still apt-get he says
2512 [18:44:16] <tjt263> i think he said that
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2514 [18:44:23] <fling> Yeah I only used apt-get from the beginning and it still works.
2515 [18:44:40] <tjt263> if it says its current
2516 [18:44:50] <fling> apt 0.9.7.9 for armhf compiled on Oct 23 2014 15:56:30
2517 [18:44:50] <tjt263> check that you have the current repos
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2519 [18:44:59] <fling> How to check?
2520 [18:45:25] <tjt263> they may have chnged since 2015 or whatever ou said
2521 [18:45:38] <tjt263> cat /etc/apt/sources
2522 [18:45:48] <fling> tjt263: replaced-url
2523 [18:45:55] <greycat> Ohhhh. If apt-get is present then ... oh. OHH. Hey. Didn't he say he was on Debian 7?
2524 [18:46:10] <greycat> It's totally normal for apt NOT to exist on Debian 7.
2525 [18:46:12] <fling> greycat: yes it is what /etc/issue says
2526 [18:46:19] <greycat> wheezy only had apt-get
2527 [18:46:21] <fling> Then I'm good? ok
2528 [18:46:33] <fling> Don't I need to upgrade? :P
2529 [18:46:49] <tjt263> fling: not need
2530 [18:46:51] <tjt263> but probably want
2531 [18:46:59] <fling> tjt263: why?
2532 [18:47:10] <greycat> Wheezy is no longer supported (no security patches, etc.)
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2534 [18:47:27] <tjt263> well, i don't know. you tell me. if you don't care, then you don't care. it's just old
2535 [18:48:02] <tjt263> but you canprobably just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
2536 [18:48:04] <fling> But all these spectre meltdown scary things…
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2539 [18:48:24] <tjt263> back it up if you're concerned
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2541 [18:48:53] <greycat> back it up even if you're not concerned
2542 [18:48:59] <fling> tjt263: will do, it is bbb and I don't want to brick it :P
2543 [18:49:04] <tjt263> you don;t need to update/upgrade etc. i mean, it's working. its just not current
2544 [18:49:07] <fling> greycat: I am!!
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2546 [18:49:24] <tjt263> fling: what's bbb
2547 [18:49:31] <fling> BeagleBone Black
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2549 [18:49:41] <tjt263> oh. i don't know snnything about hat
2550 [18:49:48] <fling> There is probably some magic in ways it is doing usb networking and other things.
2551 [18:50:06] <fling> But I don't know for sure it might just still work if I upgrade.
2552 [18:50:08] <tjt263> is that like a rasp pi computer on a chip thing
2553 [18:50:40] <fling> tjt263: a fast arm mobo with a lot of i/o ports.
2554 [18:50:54] <fling> I've connected an sd card to it wanting to boot of the card.
2555 [18:51:17] <fling> But booted into debiand installed on mmcblk and I don't see the card in lsblk output
2556 [18:51:21] <tjt263> if it's asmall thing, you should be able to back it up in no time
2557 [18:51:24] <fling> Looks like something wrong with the connection
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2559 [18:51:46] <tjt263> mmcblk would be the sd
2560 [18:52:10] <tjt263> wait, what's a mobo
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2562 [18:52:12] <fling> tjt263: this one is the mmcblk on the mobo itself, not the slot
2563 [18:52:20] <fling> tjt263: motherboard ;P
2564 [18:52:24] <tjt263> oh gotcha
2565 [18:52:38] <tjt263> you kids and your slang these days
2566 [18:52:46] <tjt263> are you sure though
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2568 [18:53:01] <fling> tjt263: └─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 3,5G 0 part /
2569 [18:53:11] <fling> tjt263: I am sure I see my history from 2014
2570 [18:53:13] <tjt263> actually, i think android phones and tabs are the same
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2572 [18:53:26] <fling> tjt263: are the same to wha?
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2575 [18:54:01] <tjt263> the first sd (mmcblk) is soldered onto the motherboard
2576 [18:54:15] <tjt263> like nexus5 for instance
2577 [18:54:35] <fling> tjt263: I cleaned the card, replugged it and now I see mmcblk1
2578 [18:54:38] <fling> reboot time!!
2579 [18:54:44] <tjt263> cool
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2583 [18:56:57] <fling> tjt263: it works! :p
2584 [18:57:27] <tjt263> fling: nice one
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2586 [18:59:43] <flashpoint> where's the SID channel?
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2588 [19:00:17] <greycat> !debian-next
2589 [19:00:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2632 [19:23:41] <fling> grobi: is sid another thing?
2633 [19:23:49] <fling> greycat: ^
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2638 [19:24:47] <humpled> why does uname -a say Linux **** 4.9.0-8-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u5 (2018-09-30) i686 GNU/Linux when apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae says Installed: 4.9+80+deb9u6
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2642 [19:26:08] <greycat> because you didn't reboot yet?
2643 [19:26:09] <fling> humpled: you forgot to reboot
2644 [19:26:21] <greycat> also, fuck me, there's a u6 now?!
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2646 [19:26:31] <humpled> i did reboot though
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2649 [19:27:02] <fling> What is u6?
2650 [19:27:10] <BCMM> humpled: what do you get for dpkg -l "linux-image*" ?
2651 [19:27:14] <annadane> there shouldn't be a u6, latest is u5 afaik
2652 [19:27:27] <greycat> annadane: yeah, just did another update/upgrade to check and got nothing.
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2658 [19:29:32] <humpled> replaced-url
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2660 [19:29:43] <fling> How do I download updates without updating anything?
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2662 [19:29:58] <greycat> apt-get update
2663 [19:30:21] <greycat> Or perhaps you meant: apt-get --download-only upgrade
2664 [19:30:27] <fling> great!
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2666 [19:31:01] <humpled> replaced-url
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2672 [19:33:42] <tjt263> hey when you have multiple ips assigned to a single nic, how do you. use them? for instance
2673 [19:33:45] <tjt263> ping -c1 192.168.0.102 -I wlan0:0
2674 [19:33:48] <tjt263> ping: invalid source address wlan0:0
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2678 [19:34:09] <tjt263> i'm guessing it doesn't like the :
2679 [19:34:12] <jhutchins_wk> tjt263: One way is to set up a static routing table.
2680 [19:34:47] <jhutchins_wk> tjt263: Notice that that error message says invalid ADDRESS - you need an address, not a device.
2681 [19:35:02] <tjt263> jhutchins_wk: oh yeah? i thought that is what i had - a static routing table
2682 [19:35:15] <annadane> ii linux-image-amd64 4.9+80+deb9u6
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2687 [19:35:42] <annadane> well, i have no idea what's going on. i'll keep quiet
2688 [19:36:18] <fling> what is u6?
2689 [19:36:20] * fling ducks
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2691 [19:36:44] <annadane> compared to ii linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 4.9.110-3+deb9u5
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2694 [19:37:49] <greycat> 4.9+80 is ... huh?
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2696 [19:38:50] <annadane> i believe u is just minor revision but i'm not sure, i don't know the naming convention
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2700 [19:40:47] <greycat> well, the web page is just wrong then
2701 [19:41:36] <greycat> I don't know why it's saying 4.9+80 instead of 4.9.110-*
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2704 [19:44:21] <humpled> thanks, it's some comfort to know i'm not the only one who is confused
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2707 [19:46:27] <annadane> or i guess in the context of the numbering system it would be security Update
2708 [19:46:36] <annadane> (concerning what the u actually stands for)
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2711 [19:47:30] <annadane> because the kernel in debian wouldn't get updated except for security fixes
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2716 [19:48:33] <humpled> at least replaced-url
2717 [19:48:56] <greycat> 4.9.110 is higher than 4.9+80
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2720 [19:50:17] <greycat> wooledg:~$ if dpkg --compare-versions 4.9+80+deb9u6 lt 4.9.110-3+deb9u5; then echo "lower"; fi
2721 [19:50:20] <greycat> lower
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2736 [20:02:38] <bites> one is the version of the meta package and one of the actual kernel package?
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2739 [20:04:00] <greycat> Ah! You're right. He gave the URL to the linux-image-686-pae package instead of the linux-image-4.9.0-8-686-pae package.
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2750 [20:09:19] <humpled> oh because i thought it referred to the same kernel
2751 [20:09:45] <humpled> anyway thanks :)
2752 [20:09:52] <annadane> i'd have thought so as well
2753 [20:10:11] <annadane> i'm still not sure why that's different
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2767 [20:23:43] <tsglove> o/
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2779 [20:30:55] <outoftime> I have an issue with graphical installer. I have partitions for boot, root and home but I'm able to tell installer to use them
2780 [20:32:10] <outoftime> *I'm NOT able
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2783 [20:32:48] <Epakai> grub failed during install of 9.5.0. i have encrypted partition with lvm root, separate unencrypted /boot. got grub fixed i think. kernel loads, but i don't get prompted for password, and it fails to initramfs since the volume group can't be found. replaced-url
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2785 [20:33:14] <jhutchins_wk> outoftime: Do manual partitioning, pick their mount points, and decide whether or not to format.
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2789 [20:34:40] <ivanfr> hello
2790 [20:35:13] <ivanfr> can someone help me, I just installed debian for the first time and wifi doesnt work, I have the driver file in a usb but I dont know how to install it
2791 [20:35:29] <outoftime> jhutchins_wk, I'm already using manual partitioning during instalation, I can no find out how to assign mount points
2792 [20:36:03] <greycat> ivanfr: Totally depends on the device. In some cases you just need to install a non-free firmware package. In others, there may be actual drivers that need to be added. Drivers are NOT firmware; they are totally separate.
2793 [20:36:40] <ivanfr> I need a propietary driver for my intel wifi chip, I have it in my usb, but I dont know what commands to use to install it
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2795 [20:36:56] <greycat> What chipset is it, and what is this "driver" that you believe you have?
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2797 [20:37:04] <RoyK> ivanfr: you probably just need the firmware
2798 [20:37:22] <RoyK> meaning the propretary driver wrapped up in a blob interfaced by the linux driver
2799 [20:37:34] <RoyK> a lot of wifi stuff uses those things
2800 [20:37:51] <greycat> !firmware
2801 [20:37:51] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
2802 [20:37:52] <ivanfr> iwlwifi-3160-ucode-25.30.14.0.tgz
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2806 [20:38:40] <greycat> replaced-url
2807 [20:38:40] <RoyK> intel is usually quite open on their drivers, though, at least they used to be
2808 [20:38:48] <ivanfr> I tried allowing nonfree software in the installation but because I didnt have a internet connection it didnt let me do it, I guess it doesnt come in the iso
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2810 [20:39:05] <outoftime> jhutchins_wk, I already have required partitions on my drive I dont use partitioning tool from debians installer to partition my drive, I just want to addign mout points
2811 [20:39:12] <greycat> ivanfr: If this computer has no networking at all (no ethernet), then download the firmware-iwlwifi package instead, and install THAT.
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2813 [20:39:27] <greycat> ivanfr: otherwise, if you have ethernet, just follow the steps on that wiki page
2814 [20:39:35] <RoyK> ivanfr: might be a new pci-id on some new chipset subversion - that happens - then the driver won't find the driver automatically
2815 [20:39:51] <RoyK> ivanfr: check lspci -vvv
2816 [20:39:55] <ivanfr> yea I dont have any internet connection but I downloaded the file and I have it on my laptop now, just dont know how to install it
2817 [20:40:01] <RoyK> and google that pci id
2818 [20:40:04] <greycat> We'd need to know the actual chipset to give any more detailed advice. "lspci -nn" is usually what we use to get the PCI ID.
2819 [20:40:37] * RoyK guesses greycat may be more up to date on the syntax than himself
2820 [20:40:46] <greycat> ivanfr: download this INSTEAD of what you have done: replaced-url
2821 [20:41:10] <ivanfr> oh nice thanks, I assume that one is just double click
2822 [20:41:11] <greycat> ivanfr: copy that onto your system, and use "dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb" to install it.
2823 [20:41:17] <ivanfr> ah kk
2824 [20:43:17] <RoyK> We're All Here To Help (tm)
2825 [20:44:00] <outoftime> How to assign mount points using graphical installer?
2826 [20:44:02] <RoyK> (and quite a few times to ask for help when the shit hits the fan)
2827 [20:44:21] <RoyK> annadane: no idea - I don't use that
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2831 [20:45:24] <annadane> 'a' is not 'o'
2832 [20:45:51] <annadane> unless you really did mean to address me in which case i feel loved and wanted
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2835 [20:46:31] <outoftime> annadane, can you help me?
2836 [20:46:41] <annadane> very probably not, ask someone smarter
2837 [20:47:06] <greycat> I think you'll find that very few people here have ever used the graphical installer, or know much about it.
2838 [20:47:07] <annadane> for mount points though there's an option in the installer
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2841 [20:47:35] <n4dir> don't you get automatically linked from step to step if you choose to not use the whole disk ? outoftime
2842 [20:47:37] <annadane> well i use the graphical installer but i don't have it memorized where to specify mount points, maybe read the install manual
2843 [20:47:40] <Epakai> ok, i found out my initrd image is missing /lib/cryptsetup/askpass. what tells it to include that when generating the image?
2844 [20:47:40] <outoftime> annadane, lloks like I'm blind, because I can not see it
2845 [20:47:45] <annadane> or i could read it, and link the relevant section
2846 [20:48:55] <annadane> i'd think it would just be in the partioning step, no?
2847 [20:49:18] <annadane> before you commit to the install, it has a bunch of options... well, let me fire up a VM
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2849 [20:49:35] <outoftime> annadane, already ream manual, looks like I'm blindest man it the world
2850 [20:50:07] <ivanfr> greycat: I did that as root, then rebooted and the network manager doesnt seem to work
2851 [20:50:10] <annadane> i'm always deleting my debian VMs and it'd be good to keep some around for instances like this
2852 [20:50:37] <greycat> ivanfr: then you'll have to find out the exact chipset, using "lspci -nn" or some equivalent command
2853 [20:51:03] <greycat> you can also look for more missing firmware using "dpkg | grep -i firmware"
2854 [20:51:51] <greycat> Gah. I meant, "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
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2856 [20:52:19] <outoftime> annadane, I'm using debian-live amd64 fxce .iso
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2858 [20:52:31] <greycat> Oh god, it's an install attempt using a LIVE.
2859 [20:52:34] <annadane> oh, well. the live cd may be different from the installer then
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2861 [20:52:42] <annadane> yeah, if you want to *install* debian, don't use the live imahge
2862 [20:52:43] <annadane> image
2863 [20:52:48] <annadane> just use the netinst or the cd/dvd
2864 [20:52:48] <ivanfr> Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
2865 [20:52:50] <ivanfr> this?
2866 [20:52:58] <outoftime> annadane, but there are installer with it
2867 [20:53:04] <annadane> yeah, don't use the live image
2868 [20:53:11] <greycat> ivanfr: That's a start. What's the PCI ID? It's the 8 character hex string like [8086:0000]
2869 [20:53:13] <ivanfr> hmm yea I used the live image too btw
2870 [20:53:51] <ivanfr> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
2871 [20:54:01] <greycat> You didn't run "lspci -nn" :(
2872 [20:54:04] <ivanfr> oh sry
2873 [20:54:08] <ivanfr> lol
2874 [20:54:11] <outoftime> annadane, can you point me the right one?
2875 [20:54:17] <greycat> !firmware image
2876 [20:54:17] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2877 [20:54:23] <annadane> outoftime, does the target machine have internet access?
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2879 [20:54:45] <annadane> by which i mainly mean ethernet
2880 [20:55:03] <outoftime> annadane, only dsl which I can not configure via that live image
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2882 [20:55:33] <annadane> you probably want replaced-url
2883 [20:55:34] <outoftime> annadane, at least during instalation
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2885 [20:56:12] <annadane> copy it to a usb with cp or win32diskimager if on windows, do not use rufus/unetbootin
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2887 [20:56:36] <annadane> also upgrade your system after install because there's been kernel changes which won't be updated in the installer even with the netinst
2888 [20:56:40] <outoftime> annadane, im ussed to dd
2889 [20:56:44] <annadane> yeah, or dd
2890 [20:56:59] <annadane> (is also fine.)
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2893 [20:57:47] <outoftime> annadane, can i fix grub via live image, i need grub install and mkconfig
2894 [20:57:55] <greycat> If it's a laptop, I'd start with the unofficial non-free firmware installer instead.
2895 [20:58:09] <greycat> *way* too many things on laptops need non-free firmware
2896 [20:58:41] <annadane> yeah that would have been the more relevant question to ask
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2900 [21:00:44] <ivanfr> yea I cant find that
2901 [21:00:59] <greycat> !firmware image
2902 [21:00:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2903 [21:01:08] <fling> how to tell apt-cacher-ng to retry on 403 and 50x?
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2905 [21:02:04] <ivanfr> does this come with a desktop enviroment?
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2908 [21:02:33] <annadane> oh were you replying to ivan, ok.
2909 [21:02:48] <greycat> The netinst images do not contain a desktop environment; but you can INSTALL one from the network mirrors.
2910 [21:03:00] <outoftime> annadane, unable to locate grub-install via liveusb after apt update
2911 [21:03:19] <greycat> The DVD-1 images probably contain a few desktop environments, but I don't know which ones or how much of them.
2912 [21:03:20] <annadane> yeah, i wouldn't know. i'd ask someone smarter or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net
2913 [21:03:36] <annadane> (can we just MERGE THE GOD DAMN NETWORKS already)
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2916 [21:03:53] <ivanfr> ok
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2918 [21:05:21] <outoftime> annadane, is it freenode channel?
2919 [21:05:32] <annadane> no. irc.oftc.net, like i said
2920 [21:05:41] <n4dir> i mean: you could check if grub is installed at all, and if not install it.
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2930 [21:07:32] <outoftime> annadane, thank you for help
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2948 [21:15:40] <fling> annadane: merge networks?
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2950 [21:15:53] <greycat> Not likely.
2951 [21:15:59] <fling> annadane: like with a bot talking to both sides?
2952 [21:16:05] <annadane> because a lot of channels are on oftc and it becomes a pain to constantly direct people there
2953 [21:16:16] <greycat> You could maybe *bridge* them with a bot, yes, but a full merge? I don't see that.
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2955 [21:16:35] <annadane> i was being slightly facetious, it wasn't much of a serious suggestion
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2965 [21:20:05] <fling> how to tell apt to not ask questions while upgrading?
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2968 [21:21:37] <tw> fling: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get upgrade -y </dev/null >/dev/null 2>/dev/null ought to do it.
2969 [21:21:42] <alexbodn> hello friends, i've just installed a new router, opened a few port forwardings, and i found myself under a dos attack. aif is not enabled during boot on the forwarding target (as per service arno-iptables-firewall status), so i'm asking you how to enable it.
2970 [21:22:16] <greycat> tw: ... I would at least log output/errors to a file.
2971 [21:23:05] <annadane> the general is -y but... why would you ever want it to not ask questions
2972 [21:23:10] <annadane> the general answer*
2973 [21:23:24] <fling> tw: thanks
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2975 [21:23:27] <tw> annadane: the questions are regarding reconf.
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2977 [21:23:44] <tw> -y only helps you with apt.
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2979 [21:23:54] <annadane> oh, i missed context.
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2982 [21:25:12] <n4dir> for example when doing something like "deborphan | while IFS= read -r pkg; do apt-get remove --purge -y "$pkg"; done (to put it different: in a pipe). annadane
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2987 [21:25:37] <greycat> why are you removing them one by one?
2988 [21:25:46] <tw> fling: greycat is right about the logging bit, the point is just to get it to recognize that it doesn't have a controlling terminal, so it shouldn't try to give you any prompts.
2989 [21:26:18] <greycat> deborphan | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove
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2991 [21:27:16] <n4dir> hence the "in a pipe". with xargs you would also need -y (usually i do use xargs for that, i assumed read -r would be better. obviously not ... oh my)
2992 [21:27:55] <greycat> yours calls apt once for every package, which is really inefficient
2993 [21:28:07] <n4dir> okay, thanks for the info.
2994 [21:28:39] <greycat> xargs is OK in this case because we know the Debian package names can't contain whitespace or single quotes or double quotes
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2996 [21:28:59] <greycat> all of which make xargs fall over, burst into flames, die, and sink into the swamp
2997 [21:29:34] <n4dir> greycat: i don't fully understand the problems the factoid mentions about xargs. I need it seldom anyway, so i try to avoid it when i can think of a better method. Now i know that in that case it is fine ...
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3000 [21:31:03] <n4dir> s/better/different (as i have just figured out, it isn't always "better")
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3004 [21:31:58] <greycat> If you want to avoid xargs on general principle, you could do: deborphan | { mapfile -t a; apt-get -y --purge remove "${a[@]}"; } # assuming the list of packages is small enough to fit in a single invocation
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3007 [21:33:53] <n4dir> thanks
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3009 [21:35:14] <tw> tbh, structured data processing is one of the only things I really like about powershell over 'nix shells. I guess it's a requirement when windows command line processing behaves like an unruly child.
3010 [21:35:21] <tw> fixes all kinds of issues with escaping.
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3014 [21:36:32] <alexbodn> how could i enable arno-iptables-firewall to start on boot?
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3019 [21:39:37] <alexbodn> systemctl enable arno-iptables-firewall
3020 [21:39:46] <alexbodn> thank you
3021 [21:40:05] <greycat> If you needed to do that, the question becomes, who disabled it?
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3024 [21:42:24] <alexbodn> greycat: not me, so it got installed
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3049 [21:54:07] <rander2> hello all
3050 [21:54:12] <rander2> !audio
3051 [21:54:12] <dpkg> Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
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3060 [22:01:05] <elios> firefox has no sound what do?
3061 [22:01:39] <elios> stable main alpha cenaturi phi lambda
3062 [22:01:46] <greycat> install a browser that doesn't hate you, or install pulse audio which is all firefox 60.x supports now
3063 [22:01:56] <elios> ah
3064 [22:02:05] <elios> that's bad news
3065 [22:02:16] <Aaron> elios: adduser username audio
3066 [22:02:19] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. Anybody knows any good alternative for firefox. Quantum breaks all my configs and extensions. I use vim keys to navigate, noscript, adblock, and a total black theme overdrive. Any suggestions. I just need to browse.
3067 [22:02:37] <Rust3dCor3> Looking at pictures and videos would be nice.
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3069 [22:03:26] <rander2> I have problem with audio, alsamixer is all up, but I don't list nothing
3070 [22:03:34] <annadane> Rust3dCor3, waterfox is a firefox fork which supports some old extensions, not packaged for debian but you can get it from their site
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3072 [22:03:41] <elios> there are many nice browser but none of them has audio
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3074 [22:04:21] <rander2> neither hdmi , neither audio card
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3076 [22:04:37] <Rust3dCor3> annadane: do they hate me like mozilla or they are ok?
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3078 [22:05:02] <rander2> debian 9.5 amd64
3079 [22:05:04] <annadane> they're fine, they removed pocket and telemetry from ff
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3082 [22:05:34] <elios> opera still a thing?
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3085 [22:06:10] <Rust3dCor3> annadane: they support sync? not a big thing but its nice to have
3086 [22:06:14] <diogenes_> elios, try falkon
3087 [22:06:22] <elios> and it's freeware :O
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3089 [22:06:47] <annadane> Rust3dCor3, not sure
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3092 [22:07:35] <elios> diogenes_: diploid-aware genome assemby of single-molecule squencing reads? i already have that package.
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3095 [22:08:00] <elios> doesn't make a sound tho
3096 [22:08:04] <jhutchins_wk> ander dmesg | less, start looking for hardware and/or errors. Most sound chipsets should be compatible these days.
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3098 [22:08:22] <jhutchins_wk> rander dmesg | less, start looking for hardware and/or errors. Most sound chipsets should be compatible these days.
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3101 [22:09:19] <rander2> ok, I solved it, I installed mplayer
3102 [22:09:20] <at0m> Rust3dCor3: running ff 62.x, and using ublock, stylish and other add-ons just like before. admittedly, there was some transit period in which i missed some add-ons.
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3104 [22:09:50] <at0m> Rust3dCor3: i guess the addons needed to be adjusted to the new ff
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3106 [22:10:02] <greycat> re-released for the new API, yes
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3108 [22:10:13] <at0m> right
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3110 [22:10:30] <elios> can i run alsa and pulse aduio at the same time?
3111 [22:12:06] <elios> oh, you meant falKon with a k, nvm diogenes_.
3112 [22:12:37] <diogenes_> elios, yes, falkon with a "k"
3113 [22:12:50] <diogenes_> try the .appimage
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3115 [22:13:23] <towo`> elios, pulseaudio is running on top of alsa
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3117 [22:13:45] <elios> i don't know if i'm ready yet for another media browser.
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3119 [22:15:03] <elios> just the last one just got tons of updates and settings i'm not aware of.
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3122 [22:15:38] <elios> towo`: then why doesn't it work?
3123 [22:16:23] <towo`> "doesn't work" is saying zero and what is "it"?
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3129 [22:17:19] <Rust3dCor3> im really angry on myself because i didnt make any screenshot of my browser before firefox update
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3131 [22:17:28] <Rust3dCor3> and waterfox is just messing around
3132 [22:17:31] <Rust3dCor3> gah
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3134 [22:17:59] <greycat> you could install the older firefox until you find a replacement
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3136 [22:18:22] <elios> well i'm sure you can find a pic of the old layout easily
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3139 [22:19:07] <elios> or just downgrade
3140 [22:19:25] <Rust3dCor3> waterfox is ok. works well. but i totally forgot about my layout and making a downgrade didnt help anything
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3142 [22:19:33] <Rust3dCor3> i just need to redo my layout
3143 [22:19:49] <Rust3dCor3> at least i have my configs set propertly
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3145 [22:20:15] <Gigglebyte> I am experiencing difficulty in copying and pasting a director to a location on a memory stick. It just won't copy and I don't know why. I get a prompt that seems to indicate there is already a presence after I tried copying previously, so I delete the earlier iteration, and the same thing happens: not all files in the folder will copy.
3146 [22:20:20] <Rust3dCor3> God bless the Internet for such good people as You guys. I would seek information like years
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3151 [22:21:15] <elios> lol Rust3dCor3
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3155 [22:23:34] <jhutchins_wk> Gigglebyte: rsync. Make sure you flush the buffers after the copy, it'll be in RAM.
3156 [22:24:30] <Gigglebyte> How do I flush the buffers? Also, I continue to get an error indicating a file is already in the folder and therefore prohibited, but I don't see how that is possible. Since getting a System76 I have had nothing but trouble. Or should I say Cleavo since they don't make their own hardware.
3157 [22:24:55] <greycat> "sync", or simply wait long enough, and always always always make sure you cleanly unmount the file system before you remove the device
3158 [22:25:12] <greycat> the unmount can take a LONG time as it will definitely finish flushing the cached writes before completing
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3163 [22:28:35] <__m4ch1n3__> reboot an look what happens :3 no risk no fun
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3165 [22:28:43] <__m4ch1n3__> ups
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3167 [22:29:29] <annadane> i don't even want to ask
3168 [22:29:45] <at0m> __m4ch1n3__: please don't advise such risky sillyness
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3172 [22:31:19] <at0m> i suspect reboot will wait for sync, but dont want to risk a usb stick trying.
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3176 [22:32:17] <__m4ch1n3__> efi or bios?
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3191 [22:44:01] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is there a problem with the initrd generation process in the latest Stretch 4.9.0-8-amd64 kernel package? I see a busybox usage help screen during generation and if I try to boot that kernel, I get a panic.
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3193 [22:44:26] <Pegasus_RPG> "Kernel panic - not syncing: No working init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. See Linux Documentation/init.txt for guidance."
3194 [22:44:57] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: What happens if you run 'update-initramfs -k all -u' as root?
3195 [22:45:06] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Runs fine here on most of my machines.
3196 [22:45:09] <Pegasus_RPG> Booting into the previous version works
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3202 [22:46:23] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: I see the busybox usage screen again
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3205 [22:46:39] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Can you paste the full command + output to replaced-url
3206 [22:46:41] <Pegasus_RPG> ...for /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64 still waiting on the other one
3207 [22:47:15] <Pegasus_RPG> Oh crap I see it for both kernels. Now I can't reboot!
3208 [22:47:47] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: replaced-url
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3212 [22:48:49] * Pegasus_RPG smacks himself for using -k all
3213 [22:49:42] * Pegasus_RPG runs it again with -v
3214 [22:51:13] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: replaced-url
3215 [22:52:00] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: I've never seen this before. Which OS release are you running?
3216 [22:52:06] <Pegasus_RPG> Stretch
3217 [22:52:15] <Pegasus_RPG> It's been fine until the latest kernel package updatre
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3219 [22:52:51] <greycat> clearly being caused by something from outside that kernel package, though, since it affects initramfs for all kernels
3220 [22:53:02] <Pegasus_RPG> right
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3223 [22:53:54] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Did you leave something out in both pastes? I don't see any other kernel being updated.
3224 [22:54:10] <Pegasus_RPG> I tried reinstalling the latest kernel package for good measure but that now ovbiously had no effect
3225 [22:54:39] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: first paste: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64 and update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-7-amd64
3226 [22:55:10] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Ah, now I see it.
3227 [22:55:14] * petn-randall rubs eyes.
3228 [22:55:38] * Pegasus_RPG tries reinstalling initramfs-tools
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3231 [22:56:42] <Pegasus_RPG> nope, still getting the busybox usage page
3232 [22:56:42] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: I'd try removing busybox. Can you share the output of 'apt-cache policy linux-image busybox initramfs-tools'?
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3234 [22:57:45] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: replaced-url
3235 [22:58:01] <greycat> The only clue *I* could find was "For more details see switch_root(8)." so it seems something was invoking busybox as switch_root, but I couldn't find any call to EITHER switch_root or busybox in /usr/sbin/update-initramfs ... and then I gave up.
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3238 [22:59:16] <Pegasus_RPG> removing busybox got rid of the usage page, perhaps obviously, but now I'm afraid to test since the machine is not local. :P
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3242 [23:01:10] <Pegasus_RPG> Would anything in the verbose log of update-initramfs be useful? 'Calling hook zz-busybox'
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3248 [23:02:42] <SerajewelKS> Pegasus_RPG: maybe 'grep -r busybox /etc/initramfs-tools' can point you towards the script responsible
3249 [23:02:54] <Pegasus_RPG> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/zz-busybox doesn't mention switch_root
3250 [23:02:55] <SerajewelKS> though if you uninstalled busybox you may not see it
3251 [23:03:42] <Pegasus_RPG> Just /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf which has BUSYBOX=auto
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3254 [23:03:48] <Pegasus_RPG> SerajewelKS: ^
3255 [23:03:58] <Pegasus_RPG> So I guess I'm safe if I remove busybox and regenerate
3256 [23:04:09] <SerajewelKS> before you do
3257 [23:04:28] <SerajewelKS> what does 'file /boot/initrd*' say
3258 [23:04:41] <Pegasus_RPG> /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-7-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
3259 [23:04:41] <Pegasus_RPG> /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
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3261 [23:05:06] <SerajewelKS> hmm okay. so it looks like a valid archive but must either be malformed or be missing contents.
3262 [23:05:21] <SerajewelKS> you might copy both somewhere else before regenerating and compare their sizes after you regenerate them
3263 [23:05:21] <greycat> I think he already removed busybox and regenned once
3264 [23:05:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Those are after I removed busybox. Regenerating now after reinstalling it
3265 [23:05:27] <SerajewelKS> oh okay
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3267 [23:06:06] <Pegasus_RPG> Well shoot, it's working fine now. I guess reinstalling busybox was the trick.
3268 [23:06:10] <SerajewelKS> if you can definitively show that the others are different/defective in some way (compared to after removing busybox) then you can have a bit more confidence about rebooting
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3271 [23:07:03] <SerajewelKS> odd
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3273 [23:07:36] <Pegasus_RPG> very. I'm still nervous. Perhaps I'll set that to no, regenerate one of the kernels, set it to yes, regenerate the other, then at least I have options
3274 [23:07:46] <SerajewelKS> i had weird boot issues too, back when i didn't have a separate /boot, and / was in-LVM-in-RAID1. but it wasn't consistent.
3275 [23:07:56] <SerajewelKS> after moving to a separate /boot that's only in a RAID1 i haven't had problems
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3277 [23:08:36] <Pegasus_RPG> That's why I always have a separate /boot as ext2 on hardware RAID
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3280 [23:09:01] <SerajewelKS> so far it's fine with software RAID. supposedly grub supports linear LVM in RAID1, which is what i was using.
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3282 [23:09:32] <SerajewelKS> but it was a 3TB volume so all i can figure is that grub can only reach so far into a disk and maybe 3TB is too far (considering that msdos disklabels have a 2.7TB limit, so i'm using gpt)
3283 [23:09:56] <SerajewelKS> so my guess is that periodically, the kernel or the initrd would get allocated too far into the disk. but that's just speculation.
3284 [23:10:51] <SerajewelKS> i have a 512MB software RAID1 on all four of my disks now, and it's the second partition on all of them (just after the UEFI "BIOS boot" partition) and haven't had any problems since
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3290 [23:11:48] <aliray> hi, I was attempting an apt upgrade on my server and got an issue: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server"
3291 [23:11:54] <aliray> here is a more complete log:
3292 [23:11:56] <petn-randall> !bat
3293 [23:11:56] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3295 [23:12:06] <aliray> replaced-url
3296 [23:12:08] <petn-randall> aliray: Can you provide all of the above in a single paste? ^^^
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3298 [23:12:17] <aliray> petn-randall, ok
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3300 [23:12:30] <petn-randall> cheers
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3302 [23:13:45] <Pegasus_RPG> How can I add the kernel and initrd from the netboot media to GRUB to give me a fail-safe?
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3307 [23:15:02] <aliray> petn-randall, here is the log of the apt command: replaced-url
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3309 [23:15:39] <petn-randall> aliray: That unfortunately missing 2/3 of what was requested.
3310 [23:15:43] <petn-randall> *That's
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3312 [23:16:02] <aliray> petn-randall, it's coming... apt cache policy is hee: replaced-url
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3314 [23:16:33] <greycat> Well, it's pretty good. I would do what it says, and see "systemctl status mysql.service" and "journalctl -xn" for additional details on why it couldn't start mysql.
3315 [23:17:06] <aliray> petn-randall, and last: replaced-url
3316 [23:17:18] <greycat> So far all the evidence points toward something being broken in mysql space, not in apt space.
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3318 [23:18:03] <aliray> greycat, ... ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! ... failed!
3319 [23:18:03] <petn-randall> aliray: Yes, what greycat said. mysql-server is failing to restart, which is why the upgrade fails. You need to fix that first.
3320 [23:18:15] <greycat> aliray: well, that seems clear
3321 [23:18:19] <aliray> ok thanks for helping me pointing the problem
3322 [23:18:41] <aliray> is there some maintenance command I can run to make some space?
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3324 [23:19:03] <outoftime> annadane: I have same issue with netinstall about partitioning.
3325 [23:19:03] <greycat> probably removing all the .deb files that have already been installed would be a good start
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3328 [23:19:26] <greycat> other than that, it will depend on what 'df' tells you, and whether you have other huge files in /var/log or /var/tmp etc.
3329 [23:19:27] <outoftime> How to assign mount points to existing partitions via graphical installer?
3330 [23:19:46] <thorie> im getting an error "dpkg: error processing package phpmyadmin (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" any ideas why? installing phpmyadmin on debian 9.5
3331 [23:19:57] <aliray> greycat, like apt-get clean? Is it safe if there was an issue during the upgrade process?
3332 [23:20:11] <petn-randall> aliray: 'apt-get clean', blindly assuming it is due to too many packages. Though it might be something else.
3333 [23:20:19] <petn-randall> yes, it's safe.
3334 [23:20:34] <greycat> aliray: well, if you don't care about the lost bandwidth in re-downloading debs that AREN'T installed yet, and only care about "I don't want to have to spend a bunch of time thinking or looking around", then sure, apt-get clean MIGHT free up enough space.
3335 [23:20:34] <petn-randall> thorie: Can you provide *all* of the following in a single paste?
3336 [23:20:37] <petn-randall> !bat
3337 [23:20:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3338 [23:20:40] <petn-randall> thorie: ^^^
3339 [23:21:04] <n4dir> outoftime: what have you choosen when it comes to "partitioning"?
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3341 [23:21:56] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: (How) can I add the kernel and initrd from the netboot media to GRUB to give me a fail-safe?
3342 [23:21:57] <outoftime> n4dir: both manual and guided without raid and lvm have no options to assign mount points
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3345 [23:22:19] <outoftime> n4dir: Al least I can not see them.
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3347 [23:22:40] <n4dir> then i would go for "manual", outoftime
3348 [23:22:42] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: You can't, that's what regular packages are for.
3349 [23:22:49] <outoftime> n4dir: I have tried all options and no one seams to be what I need
3350 [23:22:51] <n4dir> oh, both. i misread.sorry
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3352 [23:23:12] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: and I love how nice they make the process. :)
3353 [23:23:22] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: If 'update-initramfs -k all -u' and 'update-grub', both as root, run through without error it should boot fine.
3354 [23:23:37] <Pegasus_RPG> okay thank you for all of your help!
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3356 [23:23:54] <petn-randall> That's at least how I test my machine before rebooting.
3357 [23:25:08] <n4dir> outoftime: replaced-url
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3359 [23:25:30] <outoftime> How to tell graphical installer do not use ethernet connection (it is just a stub without internet access) and let me configure dsl instead?
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3361 [23:25:42] <thorie> here is a paste of my dpkg errors: replaced-url
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3364 [23:26:26] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: I now only see these: replaced-url
3365 [23:26:38] <petn-randall> thorie: You got further than aliray, you're only missing 1/3 of the requested info.
3366 [23:27:03] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: Did you start it in Expert mode?
3367 [23:27:19] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Check why those files are there, it's not part of the standard install.
3368 [23:27:23] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: Expert will ask you about every step of the process.
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3370 [23:27:37] <n4dir> Pegasus_RPG: but it isn't needed here.
3371 [23:27:53] <thorie> oops here is some more info: replaced-url
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3373 [23:28:08] <n4dir> "A similar screen to the one shown just above will be displayed if you choose manual partitioning except that your existing partition table will be shown and without the mount points. "
3374 [23:28:20] <n4dir> assign the mountpoints and kinda done.
3375 [23:28:36] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: yes, I have thought that I have to use expert mode instead.
3376 [23:28:39] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: uhh, they don't. They must be created only during the initrd generation becuase they're not there afterwords
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3378 [23:29:27] <outoftime> n4dir: "If you select a pristine disk which has neither partitions nor free space on it, you will be asked if a new partition table should be created (this is needed so you can create new partitions). After this, a new line entitled “FREE SPACE” should appear in the table under the selected disk." I don't need to erase all data on /boot and /home partitions, that step is about to erase data
3379 [23:29:55] <outoftime> n4dir: more over, it is about remove partitions and create new one
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3381 [23:30:23] <n4dir> well: then don't choose a pristine disk?
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3383 [23:30:25] <outoftime> n4dir: what I need is just to assign existed partion to mount point and contitue installation
3384 [23:31:11] <n4dir> yes. that is clear.
3385 [23:31:16] <johnnyfive> Is package signing handled in buildd?
3386 [23:32:14] <petn-randall> johnnyfive: The signing of the repo? No.
3387 [23:32:17] <n4dir> i really wish this machine had enough horsepower to quickly fire up qemu and go through the partitioning part of the installer. It's most natural. Just take a deep breath and look at what you see.
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3389 [23:33:15] <johnnyfive> petn-randall, do you know what that system is called? i'm trying to learn how debian handles signing everything. I'm trying to convert a crappy shell script that runs bash commands with something more programmatic
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3393 [23:36:23] <Pegasus_RPG> is it bad when 'df -h' hangs? :P
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3397 [23:37:23] <johnnyfive> Pegasus_RPG, means you have hella bits to count. Which could be a point of pride maybe? bits are awesome
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3401 [23:38:24] <Pegasus_RPG> lol only 100GB partition in this system. it usually returns very quickly
3402 [23:38:54] <petn-randall> johnnyfive: "debian archive kit", dak for short, I think. It's not packaged in Debian, AFAICS.
3403 [23:39:17] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: That usually means there's a dead mount somewhere.
3404 [23:39:29] <petn-randall> Or a fauly disk.
3405 [23:39:46] <johnnyfive> petn-randall, awesome thanks for the tip.
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3407 [23:40:26] <Pegasus_RPG> whew finally returned
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3409 [23:40:46] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: is there some guide about expert mode?
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3411 [23:41:08] <Pegasus_RPG> Come to think of it, this system /did/ suffer a kernel hang earlier. I need to boot into rescue mode and fsck everything
3412 [23:41:28] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: not really. It will just ask you questions every step of the way.
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3414 [23:42:17] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: You can choose to proceed or go back to the setup menu at any time to skip a step for example. But be sure to do the steps in order they appear in the menu
3415 [23:42:53] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: so in your case, when it gets to the step of configuring interfaces, choose to start a shell instead to configure your DSL connection, then return to the menu and pick the step after configure interfaces
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3417 [23:43:23] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: I have no idea how to configure dsl connection from shell
3418 [23:43:52] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: though as n4dir mentioned above, you could just choose to go to the menu in normal mode after it tries to set up a network interface and fails
3419 [23:44:22] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: It doesn't fail.
3420 [23:44:24] <Pegasus_RPG> Do you have a DSL modem or router?
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3422 [23:44:53] <Pegasus_RPG> outoftime: so what is your problem then?
3423 [23:44:57] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: My internet provider allow access to his site even if you have no real internet access
3424 [23:45:29] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: that is why ethernet connetion do not fail, but you have to connect via dsl PPPoE
3425 [23:46:03] <Pegasus_RPG> oh okay. You can do that after Debian is installed. Assuming you're installing KDE or Gnome or other desktop environment, they all come with tools to configure PPPoE connections
3426 [23:46:34] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: I have tried xfce, it is really easy to do so with it.
3427 [23:47:14] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: But now I'm using netinstall, and I have not idea how to use it if I can not connect to internet
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3430 [23:48:22] <Pegasus_RPG> That's a tough one. You'll either need a DSL modem that does PPPoE for you, another machine that is already set up to do it and share the connection with the machine you're installing, or just download the full Debian installation DVD
3431 [23:48:52] <Pegasus_RPG> (so you don't need Internet access to install Debian)
3432 [23:48:57] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: I have an *.iso with xfce but without firmware
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3434 [23:49:56] <Pegasus_RPG> Use the standard Debian install iso to get at least the base system installed, then you can manually install xfce at the shell
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3437 [23:50:24] <Pegasus_RPG> (You'll need to tell it which ISO to look in for the xfce files. See apt sources for details)
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3444 [23:52:23] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: thank you. I'll take a break to think about an options to select best fit.
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3447 [23:53:25] <Pegasus_RPG> (you know, xfce packages, e.g. 'apt install xfce' should be all you need once you've added the right sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
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3449 [23:54:02] <Pegasus_RPG> Or read up on how to configure PPPoE from the shell :)
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3451 [23:54:53] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: yes, but is it for the future (DE). I'll look for some info about PPPoE and shell installation without gui at all. It should have much more options.
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3456 [23:57:17] <outoftime> Pegasus_RPG: but it will feel like archlinux, stable arch - debian, imho (from newbie who tries to install debian 3rd day...)
3457 [23:58:49] * Pegasus_RPG always installs his Debian systems using the text interface. The menus are the exact same as the graphical interface shows
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3459 [23:59:59] <Unit193> network-manager/network-manager-gnome should be able to configure pppoe I'd think, and Xfce is a bit ugly by default, but a good theme such as Greybird or Numix (greybird-gtk-theme, numix-gtk-theme) and a decent icon theme such as elementary-xfce can really spruce it up.
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