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21 [00:12:58] <dka> I want to install docker within a docker image.
22 [00:13:02] <dka> I have the following error
23 [00:13:04] <dka> Err:6 replaced-url
24 [00:13:05] <dka> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F76221572C52609D
25 [00:13:05] <dka> Reading package lists...
26 [00:13:05] <dka> W: GPG error: replaced-url
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32 [00:14:02] <mutante> dka: step 1: search for they key: gpg --search-keys F76221572C52609D
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42 [00:15:40] <annadane> in future use paste.debian.net, pasting long stuff to the chan gets you kicked as you found out
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46 [00:16:07] <dka> Build log replaced-url
47 [00:16:09] <dka> Docker file
48 [00:16:12] <mutante> dka: step 2: import it into your keyring , step 3: apt-key update
49 [00:16:14] <dka> Dockerfile: replaced-url
50 [00:16:42] <dka> My Dockerfile is already getting the key as in the docker documentation debian install p
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52 [00:16:53] <dka> RUN curl -fsSL replaced-url
53 [00:16:53] <dka> RUN add-apt-repository \
54 [00:16:53] <dka> "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
55 [00:16:53] <dka> $(lsb_release -cs) \
56 [00:16:54] <dka> stable"
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58 [00:17:52] <mutante> dka: how about running the "curl" command there manually without the | apt-key add -
59 [00:18:17] <mutante> i mean it says the public key isn't available, so either that fails for some other reason or .. it's a different key
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62 [00:19:14] <mutante> that's kind of an ugly way they do it.. piping curl into other commands.. tssk tssk.. not really secure
63 [00:19:25] <mutante> there is gpg --recv-keys for that
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67 [00:19:45] <mutante> and i can even confirm that missing key is on keyservers
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74 [00:23:48] <mutante> dka: replaced-url
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81 [00:34:14] <vjacob> is there an easy way to install debian to a usb stick? Not talking about a bootable installer but actually installing it to the usb stick?
82 [00:34:41] <dka> I dont get how to add this to myu docker image
83 [00:34:46] <vjacob> preferably using the netinst installer method
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86 [00:37:29] <bites> vjacob: the same way you would install it to a hard drive.
87 [00:38:06] <vjacob> bites: whenever I do that I get an error in the installer about not being able to install to the usb
88 [00:38:48] <bites> vjacob: that's a different usb than the one you booted the installer from?
89 [00:39:00] <vjacob> yes
90 [00:39:13] <bites> what error exactly and at which stage?
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93 [00:40:44] <vjacob> Partitioning stage. Error: "Failed to partition the selected disk
94 [00:40:44] <vjacob> This probably happened because the selected disk or free space is too small to be automatically partitioned."
95 [00:40:57] <vjacob> this happens with numerous USB sticks
96 [00:41:08] <vjacob> so I am deducing that it is not just one stick but three
97 [00:41:41] <vjacob> that seem to be broken? Seems unlikely or rather improbable
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99 [00:42:22] <vjacob> bbiab
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103 [00:44:05] <dka> mutante, can you please help?
104 [00:44:08] <bites> dka: you put RUN apt-key adv --recv-keys F76221572C52609D in your dockerfile before adding the repository.
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106 [00:44:53] <mutante> dka: i dont know much about the "dockerization" part but this ^
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108 [00:45:25] <mutante> bites made it simpler than my version.. using just apt-key itself to --recv-keys rather than using gpg first
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110 [00:45:40] <mutante> i am just used to older method i guess
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128 [00:56:45] <bites> dka: why are you using deprecated instructions for installing docker?
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130 [00:57:29] <bites> dka: in line 87 you are already inporting a key to apt-key RUN curl -fsSL replaced-url
131 [00:57:56] <bites> dka: but in line 88 you use a different repository than described in the docker installation instructions.
132 [00:58:21] <bites> replaced-url
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134 [00:59:03] <bites> dka: and that's why you get the error. you get docker-ce as described here ^
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136 [00:59:16] <dka> I cant display that website
137 [00:59:26] <dka> But thanks
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143 [01:01:34] <bites> dka: add-apt-repository "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
144 [01:02:25] <dka> well, it does the same
145 [01:02:30] <dka> I have loaded the page
146 [01:02:31] <bites> dka: this is the command from the docker documentation. what you have in line 88, 97, 99 is wrong.
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148 [01:02:41] <dka> because of what ?
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150 [01:02:51] <dka> RUN curl -fsSL replaced-url
151 [01:02:52] <dka> is equal to
152 [01:02:57] <dka> RUN curl -fsSL replaced-url
153 [01:03:01] <dka> RUN sudo add-apt-repository \
154 [01:03:01] <dka> "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
155 [01:03:01] <dka> $(lsb_release -cs) \
156 [01:03:01] <dka> stable"
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159 [01:03:08] <dka> is equal to
160 [01:03:19] <dka> RUN add-apt-repository \
161 [01:03:20] <dka> "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
162 [01:03:35] <dka> I am now trying a build with : RUN apt-key adv --recv-keys F76221572C52609D
163 [01:03:47] <bites> just follow the instruction instead of the mess you have there.
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167 [01:06:01] <bites> you don't need to add the key. you need to add the right repository.
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171 [01:08:00] <dka> adding the key seems to work fine
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174 [01:08:25] <bites> yes, it removes the missing key error, but you are still adding the wrong repository in line 88.
175 [01:09:34] <dka> You mean this should be removed: && echo "deb replaced-url
176 [01:09:35] <dka> ?
177 [01:09:50] <bites> yes, that's why you had the error in the first place.
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181 [01:12:50] <dka> ok I have just stopped my build and restarted with the change
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184 [01:13:08] <dka> Can you validate this new image ? replaced-url
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192 [01:16:02] <bites> dka: looks good. i don't know if that image has the sudo command, but otherwise it looks fine.
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228 [01:54:29] <dka> I have this error when I run a command through ssh in CI : Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.
229 [01:55:46] <dka> This is my command: ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -p 1337 someone@somehost docker exec nginx_nginx_1 nginx -s reload
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235 [01:57:32] <rtmataeu34> hello
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292 [02:29:24] <n4dir> running apt-get upgrade i get errors for linux-image and linux-headers, postinst.d/dkms -> Could not find dkms.conf file. replaced-url
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300 [02:34:41] <themill> n4dir: does /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf exist?
301 [02:35:42] <n4dir> themill: yes.
302 [02:36:12] <themill> what's in it?
303 [02:36:27] <n4dir> a few comments, else it's empty
304 [02:37:19] <n4dir> -> "this is a stub file ... "
305 [02:37:31] <themill> yeah
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308 [02:41:05] <n4dir> the file being empty is the problem?
309 [02:41:13] <themill> no that should be ok
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312 [02:42:45] <hdb2> for those running virtualbox+vagrant, is using the upstream repos better/worse than stretch-backports?
313 [02:44:41] <karlpinc> dka: I don't know what you're trying to do but you could use either -t or -T (depending on what you want) to get rid of your ssh error. If all you're getting is output from the remote command I don't believe you need a tty, so you'd use -T to get rid of the error message. (Although I'm not clear on why you're getting the message in the first place.)
314 [02:45:20] <dka> karlpinc, I have tried with -T but I dont see anything coming in stdout
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316 [02:47:25] <themill> n4dir: do you know what module you're using dkms for?
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318 [02:48:05] <themill> (it seems to want "$dkms_tree/$module/$module_version/source/dkms.conf" which your locate did not report)
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324 [02:50:12] <n4dir> themill: i thought a bit. I think i tried it for the wireless chip ( Broadcom). That didn't work, and i gave up on wireless. I don't think i used dkms for anything else, but am not sure.
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326 [02:50:56] <n4dir> am not 100% sure.
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328 [02:52:02] <themill> n4dir: does "aptitude search ~ndkms~i" turn up anything?
329 [02:52:30] <n4dir> only dkms itself
330 [02:52:44] <themill> try removing dkms ;)
331 [02:52:58] <n4dir> Ok. Thanks.
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336 [02:54:06] <n4dir> side note: yesterday i realized that i have contrib and non-free enabled, but no packages of them installed ... (probably also for said broadcom chip).
337 [02:54:16] <n4dir> but yes, removing dkms worked. Thanks again. whew.
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339 [02:54:21] <themill> :)
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341 [02:56:04] <ictaco> hi, any luks users here? is there an advantage to keyfiles vs passwords, assuming both will be gpg pubkey encrypted for practical use
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448 [05:04:08] <karlpinc> ictaco: If you're really using the LUKS format the real key is encrypted on disk. Potentially more than once, once for each keyslot you setup. And each keyslot has a password. Now, as to why you'd want to use TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt instead of LUKS I can't say. Maybe if you want MS Windows compatibility? I also can't say which is "better". I've always gone with LUKS, having more conficence in the Linux side of things.
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479 [05:45:40] <ictaco> karlpinc: it says in the man page a key file may be used in lieu of a password
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482 [05:51:02] <nyov> a key file is nothing else than a file containing some "key material". It's "something you have" rather than "something you know"; you have to keep it secure, though.
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488 [05:53:43] <nyov> ictaco: if you want something more special, use a keyscript. that could be something which reads key-material from a usb stick, for example. and perhaps use gpg to decrypt it first, as you seem to want.
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493 [05:56:30] <nyov> Would someone using buster or backports, and having python-twisted installed, drop into a py shell real quick and test this import for me please: import twisted.web.http
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495 [05:56:49] <nyov> I believe it's broken, but maybe it's rather a local issue
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503 [06:03:26] <nyov> Nobody? I'd like to verify before filing a bug report.
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505 [06:04:35] <ictaco> I suppose then anything over 100 bits of entropy, either as a ~30 character password or raw urandom is good enough for encrypting a keyslot? maybe I'm overthinking it. I don't want to remember a password, so either way I'll be GPG-encrypting the private material.
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509 [06:05:22] <Unit193> nyov: Based on package name I presumed py2, I only have python-twisted-bin and python-twisted-core, it didn't error.
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512 [06:05:56] <nyov> Unit193: thanks. strange, I have an error both with py2 and py3 versions.
513 [06:06:15] <Unit193> I did that test on i386 though. :P
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515 [06:07:36] <nyov> `dpkg -S` on the failing files says package name is `python3-twisted`. Hm, I'll investigate some more :)
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517 [06:09:12] <nyov> I just notices I only tested the backports version, however. :/
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520 [06:10:47] <nyov> And why does it require python>3.6 anyway. Ouch, can't upgrade. Oh well
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522 [06:16:04] <nyov> ah, plot thickens. it seems to actually require a newer version of python-attr instead to work. eww
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524 [06:19:50] <themill> that's a trivial backport to make and does fix the problem
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541 [06:35:05] <nyov> I'll see about adding the dependency to the package, though I don't know how to best raise the required backports issue?
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553 [06:46:18] <themill> nyov: I've notified the uploader; via the backports mailing list is the normal way
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555 [06:46:49] <nyov> themill: thanks! and good to know
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557 [06:46:54] <themill> replaced-url
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559 [06:47:39] <furrywolf> I need to send a form to the local DMV, replaced-url
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562 [06:49:23] <themill> furrywolf: I know of nothing other than acroread that can deal with that sort of file; acroread from dmm works.
563 [06:49:37] <themill> !dmm pinning
564 [06:49:37] <dpkg> To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from deb-multimedia.org, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin "replaced-url
565 [06:49:41] <diogenes_> furrywolf, i suppose it's some crappy acrobat reader
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567 [06:49:55] <diogenes_> that workson windows only
568 [06:50:12] <jelly> ,v acroread
569 [06:50:13] <judd> No package named 'acroread' was found in amd64.
570 [06:50:22] <jelly> ,v acroread --arch i386
571 [06:50:23] <judd> Package: acroread on i386 -- jessie-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.5-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.5-dmo1; stretch-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.5-dmo2; buster-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.5-dmo5; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.5-dmo5
572 [06:50:24] <furrywolf> this is an oldstable frankendebian box. also, I do not have any intention of ever installing any adobe software.
573 [06:50:41] <furrywolf> if the answer is "nothing open-source can open this file", linux is failing badly. heh.
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575 [06:51:12] <diogenes_> furrywolf, you can use a vm
576 [06:51:12] <jelly> in case you did not notice, linux has been failiung badly in that regard for the last 25 years
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578 [06:51:31] <diogenes_> not failing for me
579 [06:51:32] <furrywolf> it's a bloody pdf file, not something weird...
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581 [06:51:45] <themill> that's not true
582 [06:51:55] <diogenes_> it's weird when the use their drm
583 [06:52:04] <themill> it's a very weird PDF file that relies on a javascript engine and a pile of other crap that only adobe implement
584 [06:52:23] <themill> istr it's also entirely undocumented
585 [06:52:32] <jelly> pdf: a container format for almost anything under the sun now, including several turing-complete languages
586 [06:53:17] <furrywolf> somehow I don't think the DMV will take "I can't open your file" as a reason for not renewing my permit...
587 [06:53:31] <furrywolf> which means I need to call them and request a paper copy mailed to me. bleh.
588 [06:55:59] <jelly> that may be an option to installing non-free software, sure
589 [06:57:16] <furrywolf> finally found something googling... a forum post that says "master pdf editor" can open them... but it's a ubuntu .deb... always fun.
590 [06:58:03] <annadane> i don't want to sound like a total idiot by saying "use wine" but...
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592 [06:58:35] <annadane> that is however waaaay too time consuming
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595 [07:02:35] <furrywolf> replaced-url
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599 [07:06:38] <furrywolf> oh well, too late to fill it in now... bbl, wolfy bedtime
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602 [07:09:05] <furrywolf> "Only non-personal identifying information is transmitted to Adobe" no one in their right mind would install any adobe software. it even admits now that it phones home.
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613 [07:17:49] <furrywolf> "master pdf editor" does indeed seem to open it.
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664 [08:17:14] <darxmurf> morning
665 [08:17:33] <darxmurf> anybody using LSI MegaRAID Tri-Mode SAS3508 ?
666 [08:18:10] <darxmurf> I can see it in LSPCI but it's not detected with storcli client Oo
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678 [08:28:52] <darxmurf> okay, all good with kernel 4.18
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750 [09:16:45] <__wrksx> mornin folks
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769 [09:33:27] <aksn> hi all. Since I upgraded my debian stable server's kernel to linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64, I'm getting this error: NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! (ping:31971). Does it make any sense to you?
770 [09:33:33] <__wrksx> Hey RoyK
771 [09:33:50] <__wrksx> I've finished backing up now time to shrink as come
772 [09:33:51] <aksn> I've seen there is un update to this kernel, but I'm just scared of booting it again
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776 [09:34:53] <__wrksx> Based on what u said yesterday, I understand there is no resizing a partition, you can only remove it and recreate it shorter
777 [09:35:01] <__wrksx> is that correct?
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802 [09:50:19] <__wrksx> resize2fs -P returns a size in blocks, is that correct ?
803 [09:50:51] <__wrksx> I'm worried because resize2fs -P returns 784562564
804 [09:50:51] <__wrksx> which I think is 2.9G
805 [09:51:07] <__wrksx> But the partition contains 2.9T data as reported by df
806 [09:51:20] <__wrksx> so I feel like I'm misunderstanding something
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812 [09:52:38] <__wrksx> Is the filesystem not containing the whole data? or is it just a table of 'pointers' to the file locations on the partition ?
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815 [09:52:56] <rgr> __wrksx: you can resize partitions.
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820 [09:53:56] <__wrksx> the fact that resize2fs -P returns 2.9G while df returns 2.9T is also weird
821 [09:54:05] <__wrksx> 10% exactly
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825 [09:54:54] <rgr> you need to go away and read. You wont get sane answers on here on the entire structure and design. Your Q made zero sense or rather could be interpreted in many ways. Partitions can be resized. But dont do it live even if supported... boot to sysresuce or something and mess with gparted. But backup first. Be careful with the units on those tools, they often use different ones and round up.
826 [09:55:08] <rgr> sysrescue.
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829 [09:56:18] <__wrksx> rgr I have no graphical interface
830 [09:56:48] <__wrksx> rgr but I'll read that's for sure, always a good advice
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832 [09:57:44] <__wrksx> what do you call sysrescue ?
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840 [10:05:24] <jelly> !qotd0
841 [10:05:24] <dpkg> perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor
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865 [10:27:54] <__wrksx> How can I know the size of a filesystem ?
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867 [10:28:46] <rudi_s> __wrksx: df
868 [10:28:54] <at0m> fdisl -l
869 [10:29:01] <at0m> fdisk -l
870 [10:29:31] <__wrksx> ty
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885 [10:33:15] <__wrksx> at0m, isn't that the syze of the partition ?
886 [10:33:21] <__wrksx> partitions
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896 [10:34:47] <rudi_s> __wrksx: lsblk
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907 [10:42:24] <colo-work> hm. on Jessie for i386, there is a package linux-image-3.16.0-6-amd64 available. also, linux-image-4.9-686 is available, but no linux-image-4.9-amd64 - is this deliberate?
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942 [10:56:46] <__wrksx> Okay I officially messed up my lvm setup
943 [10:56:50] <__wrksx> =)
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946 [10:58:05] <rgr> well, there's a surprise.
947 [10:58:08] <rgr> ;)
948 [10:58:33] <rgr> And trust me, a messed up LVM is a NIGHTMARE. If you dont know what you're doing, and you dont, do NOT mess with them.
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951 [10:59:41] <__wrksx> rgr right but you gotta start somwhere
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953 [11:00:10] <__wrksx> rgr and setting up LVM from empty disk space should be doable
954 [11:00:17] <__wrksx> so here I am learnin it
955 [11:00:17] <__wrksx> =)
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957 [11:01:04] <rgr> it should be trivial but not when you start tinkering. Then you will have a broken system.
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968 [11:02:57] <__wrksx> I think it's the resize FS step I forgot
969 [11:04:03] <__wrksx> One thing I am not quite sure, is what's the diff wetween my /dev/data/backup LV, and the /dev/mapper/data-backup device
970 [11:04:12] <__wrksx> and which one should I use
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986 [11:12:07] <__wrksx> rgr I think I fixed it, it really wasn't that messed
987 [11:12:07] <tralala> __wrksx, I use the /dev/group/volume names. They are both symlinks anyway, so it's a matter of preference.
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989 [11:12:22] <__wrksx> tralala, oh right, perfect ty
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991 [11:13:08] <__wrksx> rgr, actually I used incorrect syntax in lvextend and I wasn't extending my logical volume to the full size available (missing a +)
992 [11:13:09] <nyov> __wrksx: /dev/mapper/data-backup == /dev/mapper/VG_name-LV_name
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995 [11:13:31] <__wrksx> nyov, yeah tralala just told me, I shoudve check but thanks anyway
996 [11:14:04] <__wrksx> I used lvextend -l 100%FREE instead of lvextend -l +100%FREE
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1016 [11:21:38] <__wrksx> Okay now I simply want to mount my new partition using the fstab
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1018 [11:22:02] <__wrksx> but i have no idea what options, dump, and pass to specify
1019 [11:22:14] <__wrksx> pass will probably 2 actually
1020 [11:22:24] <__wrksx> but dump I have no idea
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1022 [11:23:14] <nyov> man fstab; but usually 0
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1024 [11:24:02] <__wrksx> right man fstab
1025 [11:24:07] <__wrksx> ty for reminding me
1026 [11:24:30] <__wrksx> I often forget man are not only for commadns
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1031 [11:25:44] <__wrksx> Okay man fstab told me a bit, but I have no idea what dumping a filesystem is
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1033 [11:27:05] <colo-work> there used to be a universal backup utility, called `dump`, to which that field is referring to.
1034 [11:27:10] <colo-work> you can just disregard it
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1042 [11:33:01] <__wrksx> colo-work, right thanks for the info
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1123 [12:34:02] <COOurb> can someone help me with vsftpd?
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1125 [12:34:16] <COOurb> i can't login with virtual user
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1129 [12:35:22] <COOurb> I've create db, table, entry with user, configured pam.d/vsftpd but still
1130 [12:36:07] <petn-randall> !ask
1131 [12:36:07] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1133 [12:36:32] <COOurb> Debian9
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1135 [12:36:48] <petn-randall> COOurb: Can you provide log output and your config? You can use replaced-url
1136 [12:36:50] <BCMM> COOurb: i mean, what happens when you try to login?
1137 [12:37:15] <BCMM> (also, do you absolutely have to use ftp, like you have clients that don't support any other protocol or something?)
1138 [12:38:32] <COOurb> BCMM: error 530
1139 [12:38:47] <COOurb> all my clients is me
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1141 [12:39:38] <BCMM> COOurb: have you considered using sftp instead?
1142 [12:40:02] <BCMM> ftp is horrid to set up, and is basically only used when one has client machines that can only speak ftp for some reason
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1144 [12:40:36] <BCMM> (note that sftp is SSH's file transfer thing. it's a whole different protocol from ftps, which is ftp over ssl)
1145 [12:40:43] <petn-randall> !ftp must die
1146 [12:40:44] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
1147 [12:40:57] <petn-randall> BCMM: I believe you were looking for this factoid. :) ^^^
1148 [12:41:20] <BCMM> petn-randall: not so much, really... it's more focused on why debian doesn't do ftp mirrors
1149 [12:41:38] <COOurb> so, does sftp need special client?
1150 [12:41:51] <BCMM> in practice ftp has two uses - anonymous read-only access (use http instead) and authenticated read-write access (use sftp instead)
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1152 [12:41:54] <petn-randall> COOurb: Most clients that support ftp also support sftp.
1153 [12:42:10] <BCMM> COOurb: i'd bet you already have the client installed
1154 [12:42:14] <petn-randall> *GUI clients
1155 [12:42:28] <COOurb> All client - windows
1156 [12:42:30] <BCMM> COOurb: on linux, the file managers that come with the major desktop environments do sftp. on windows, filezilla does it
1157 [12:42:48] <COOurb> I prefer TotalCommander
1158 [12:43:03] <BCMM> petn-randall: and that factoid mostly addresses the first use case, whereas it sounds like we're dealing with the second one here
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1161 [12:43:18] <themill> BCMM: only the third of the three sentences is about Debian.
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1163 [12:43:39] <BCMM> themill: they're all about http though
1164 [12:43:51] <BCMM> no mention of sftp between them
1165 [12:44:21] <themill> sure, that's the *why* not the solution
1166 [12:44:32] <BCMM> themill: ... what?
1167 [12:44:42] <BCMM> they all mention using http instead
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1169 [12:44:57] <BCMM> the factoid and the links are about why ftp is not the answer for anonymous download mirrors
1170 [12:45:00] <themill> the factoid talks about why not to use ftp which you had also been talking about
1171 [12:45:12] <BCMM> and i'm talking about why it's not the answer for authenticated access either
1172 [12:45:15] <themill> the next thing you need is something to replace it
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1174 [12:45:48] <BCMM> COOurb: there's an official sftp plugin for total commander
1175 [12:45:58] <COOurb> ):
1176 [12:46:10] <themill> (I'm not arguing that sftp isn't what is needed here, just explaining why the info in the factoid was useful, particularly greycat's wiki link)
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1179 [12:46:47] <COOurb> already deleted vsftpd
1180 [12:46:49] <BCMM> COOurb: as for server software, you can literally just install openssh-server and then log in with an existing username and password on the system
1181 [12:46:56] <COOurb> half-day wasted
1182 [12:47:15] <BCMM> themill: i agree that the factoid is useful, i'm just saying that it's aimed at a slightly different problem from the one here
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1184 [12:48:00] <themill> not any more btw
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1186 [12:48:07] <COOurb> BCMM: so, what for?
1187 [12:48:47] <COOurb> I already use ssh for running services
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1191 [12:49:19] <BCMM> COOurb: sorry, didn't understand what you meant by "what for"
1192 [12:49:57] <COOurb> why I should run openssh-server? how it will help me to get files in ftp-like style?
1193 [12:50:11] <BCMM> COOurb: if you already have openssh server running on the host, your sftp server is already set up
1194 [12:51:04] <COOurb> can't find it in installed/available packages
1195 [12:51:23] <BCMM> COOurb: ... what version are you running?
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1198 [12:51:54] <BCMM> and when you said you're already using ssh, well, how exactly?
1199 [12:51:56] <COOurb> nah, found.
1200 [12:52:02] <COOurb> putty
1201 [12:52:15] <BCMM> right, putty is the client - but what are you connecting to?
1202 [12:52:24] <COOurb> to my machine
1203 [12:52:36] <BCMM> are you using putty to log in to the same server you're trying to get file transfer working on?
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1205 [12:52:46] <COOurb> it doesn't have display or keyboard, so I useing Windows machine
1206 [12:52:56] <COOurb> yep
1207 [12:53:17] <COOurb> My main working machines are on Windows
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1209 [12:53:23] <BCMM> ok, so like 99% you're running openssh there (unless you installed dropbear or something, for some reason)
1210 [12:53:38] <BCMM> so it's probably all set up already, server-side
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1212 [12:53:49] <COOurb> but, how about users?
1213 [12:54:06] <BCMM> COOurb: the credentials you're already using in putty will work
1214 [12:54:07] <COOurb> does it support "non-OS" users?
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1217 [12:54:31] <COOurb> how about directories?
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1219 [12:54:47] <BCMM> COOurb: not as far as i know. you can create "real" users and restrict them from using the shell, though
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1222 [12:55:06] <BCMM> you can also restrict them to a chroot to make sure they don't find any files they aren't supposed to look at
1223 [12:55:11] <themill> COOurb: you said you were the only person using it earlier -- what do you need lots of users for?
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1226 [12:55:14] <COOurb> I think it's just dirty solution
1227 [12:55:24] <COOurb> to put all users in same namespace
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1229 [12:55:41] <themill> what does "all users" mean?
1230 [12:55:43] <COOurb> why? Because one user per machine
1231 [12:55:56] <COOurb> OS and non-OS
1232 [12:56:18] <BCMM> COOurb: not really - with vsftp, you would have had a process running as a single user for all connections
1233 [12:56:23] <themill> You might need to take a step back and explain what it is you're trying to achieve.
1234 [12:56:38] <BCMM> COOurb: and you just had to trust vsftpd to enforce access controls properly
1235 [12:56:44] <COOurb> BCMM: yes, but to login I have separate user
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1237 [12:57:48] <BCMM> COOurb: using openssh, when a login happens, you will get an sshd process running as the relevant user - you benefit from the kernel-enforced boundaries that protect users from other users
1238 [12:58:09] <COOurb> I just wanna setup ftp server for me and get know how to do it for future purposes.
1239 [12:58:34] <BCMM> when you have identified an individual or a service that needs access to a unique subset of data on the system, creating a user is absolutely the "clean" way of handling this
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1241 [12:59:10] <BCMM> creating users is not expensive
1242 [12:59:35] <themill> COOurb: You might need to take a step back and explain what it is you're trying to achieve. The goals you might have include things like "distribute files" and do not include things like "ftp".
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1244 [12:59:37] <BCMM> it's not windows where it'll spin up an appdata folder and a registry and whatnot just for creating a user
1245 [12:59:49] <BCMM> a user is fundamentally just a line in /etc/passwd
1246 [13:00:21] <BCMM> it's not a dirty solution, it's just a native one
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1249 [13:00:43] <COOurb> themill: file exchanging between my machines (local and remote) with getting know how it works/how it should be configured fo future use in someone's office
1250 [13:01:17] <BCMM> is total commander mandatory here?
1251 [13:01:19] <COOurb> BCMM: passwd not same as table in db
1252 [13:01:38] <BCMM> because honestly, if you have windows on the client machines, there's an argument for using samba
1253 [13:01:39] <themill> so depending on how you might do that, sftp or samba or nfs would be best. (and ftp is absolutely not the right solution)
1254 [13:01:52] <COOurb> BCMM: nope, but I hardly moving from applications I already use
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1256 [13:02:15] <BCMM> because, y'know, it works OOTB on windows *without* installing any additional software
1257 [13:02:21] <COOurb> no samba
1258 [13:03:05] <BCMM> so user accounts specifically have to be stored in a sql database?
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1260 [13:03:19] <themill> how many thousand machines is this for?
1261 [13:03:52] <COOurb> I think in these borders [service-data-users]. it means that each service has it's own users for they can handle only specified data.
1262 [13:04:14] <COOurb> BCMM: for a now - not. But what if they would be abou 300?
1263 [13:04:17] <COOurb> about*
1264 [13:04:23] <COOurb> or 1000?
1265 [13:04:48] <COOurb> now - for 3
1266 [13:04:57] <themill> put them in ldap and use samba (still definitely not ftp)
1267 [13:05:01] <COOurb> how can I start from 100 machines?
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1270 [13:05:18] <COOurb> guys
1271 [13:05:18] <BCMM> huh, looks like proftpd actually *does* do sftp authentication with a sql user database
1272 [13:05:26] <COOurb> it's not only "solve and gone"
1273 [13:05:27] <themill> You'd also be authenticating users not machines at that stage
1274 [13:05:27] <BCMM> but you're making your life harder just for fun...
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1276 [13:05:59] <BCMM> i'd like to hear more about why "no samba", tbh...
1277 [13:05:59] <COOurb> I wanna learn this sh*t, for future usage
1278 [13:06:09] <themill> there is no future usage of ftp
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1280 [13:06:18] <themill> it should have disappeared 20 years ago
1281 [13:06:33] <COOurb> like bbs, right
1282 [13:06:38] <BCMM> themill: it *should* have disappeared when they invented TCP
1283 [13:07:01] <themill> the rfc is 1985; I'm being generous
1284 [13:07:18] <BCMM> but yeah, 20 years ago is when ssh appeared, doing everything ftp does better
1285 [13:07:20] <COOurb> BCMM: I just don't like it.
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1288 [13:07:32] <BCMM> COOurb: i mean samba is kinda horrible, and i get wanting to avoid using horrible software where possible
1289 [13:07:40] <BCMM> but that's an equally solid argument against ftp
1290 [13:07:52] <BCMM> (or, y'know, windows)
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1292 [13:09:32] <BCMM> and if/when you actually do have an organization of 300 people using this, they're gonna ask why it doesn't just show up as a mapped network drive in My Computer like it has at every other place they've worked in the past 15 years
1293 [13:10:29] <COOurb> I can propose such solution for 500 people organization, But you know, if you propose - you should do it.
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1295 [13:10:52] <BCMM> total commander and filezilla are how you make Windows play nice with a unix network. your problem sounds more like how to make linux play nice with a windows network
1296 [13:11:19] <COOurb> And between idea and 'ready' there should be about 1-2 days
1297 [13:11:33] <COOurb> nobody will wait for week
1298 [13:11:44] <BCMM> but ftp is how you have a kludgy, obsolete, *non-native* solution on both ends
1299 [13:12:13] <COOurb> don't care about native
1300 [13:12:32] <themill> You already have a finished solution right now?
1301 [13:13:03] <BCMM> i'm telling you, users will...
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1303 [13:13:26] <COOurb> themill: nope. I didn't propesed it , so nothing worry about
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1305 [13:13:39] <BCMM> anybody who has worked in an office knows how to use an SMB shared folder. total commander has training costs.
1306 [13:14:04] <BCMM> a 500-seat deployment is *not* composed entirely of people who can learn a new application easily
1307 [13:14:06] <themill> If you think ftp is adequate, then use sftp instead and you've already finished. If you don't think sftp will cut it then nor will ftp and you should be using something nicer.
1308 [13:14:16] <themill> I'm not really sure why we're still talking about ftp.
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1320 [13:22:46] <opv> hi everyone. i'm having this issue where root sends out mails: "problem with defaults entries", on debian 9 machines. uncle google says it's because of a sudoers line in /etc/nsswitch.conf, but it isn't present on my systems. i'd be thankful for advice
1321 [13:23:14] <opv> those mails are usually paired with "unable to resolve host", even though dns works just fine
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1337 [13:27:54] <flashpoint> can debian be as "cutting edge" as arch?
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1340 [13:29:11] <flashpoint> the standard repos have 2 year old stable stuff
1341 [13:29:25] <BCMM> flashpoint: sid ain't bad. but you'll never get something as current as AUR without using something which enables random people on the internet to install software on your computer like AUR does
1342 [13:30:20] <flashpoint> every single one of you are random people
1343 [13:30:56] <themill> Debian does work to keep broken, unintegrated packages away from users
1344 [13:31:17] <flashpoint> ok can anyone have any degree of objectivity
1345 [13:31:26] <flashpoint> there is no perfect distro
1346 [13:31:33] <BCMM> flashpoint: sure, to some extent you can't trust anybody
1347 [13:31:51] <BCMM> flashpoint: but a package in Sid is there because a debian developer put it there
1348 [13:31:52] <flashpoint> I'm getting sick of systemd and more stuff is built for debian
1349 [13:31:54] <flashpoint> more software packages
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1351 [13:32:01] <flashpoint> yes
1352 [13:32:07] <BCMM> literally any member of the public can sign up to put stuff in AUR
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1354 [13:32:21] <BCMM> "DISCLAIMER: AUR packages are user produced content. Any use of the provided files is at your own risk." replaced-url
1355 [13:32:32] <petn-randall> flashpoint: If you don't like systemd, you're still free to use sysv init.
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1357 [13:32:36] <flashpoint> I think I have three
1358 [13:32:36] <BCMM> the bleeding-edge stuff gets their through crowdsourcing basically
1359 [13:32:54] <flashpoint> I'm used to bleeding edge now
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1361 [13:34:10] <BCMM> flashpoint: well, decide if Sid is new enough for you... for example, it currently includes kernel 4.18.8 and firefox 62.0.2
1362 [13:34:13] <themill> You don't often have people proudly proclaim Stockholm syndrome.
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1364 [13:34:32] <flashpoint> I actually fucking hate the userbase
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1366 [13:34:44] <flashpoint> I'm used to the packages that come in each day
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1368 [13:34:55] <flashpoint> the latest versions of stuff, there's plenty I don't like
1369 [13:35:00] <jken> Hello, I am using grub to boot my UEFI system, I have the grub menu hidden so just a splash image is shown on boot. Sometimes, maybe 1/20 boots, my system stalls on the grub background/splash image and does not proceed to boot. Does anyone know why this might be happening or how I can begin tracking the issue down?
1370 [13:35:04] <flashpoint> and I just told you
1371 [13:35:19] <BCMM> looks like arch is on 4.18.10 - not a huge difference
1372 [13:35:27] <flashpoint> also proud? maybe if I was the sole developer for EVERYTHING I'd be proud
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1374 [13:36:20] <BCMM> flashpoint: i suggest you look up the Debian versions of packages you care most about and decide for yourself if they're new enough
1375 [13:36:41] <flashpoint> probably gnome?
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1377 [13:37:04] <BCMM> flashpoint: 3.22
1378 [13:37:23] <petn-randall> jken: If you hit escape, does it then show you any details when it happens?
1379 [13:37:31] <flashpoint> 3.30.1
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1381 [13:37:39] <flashpoint> it has some large improvements
1382 [13:37:43] <jken> petn-randall, good question, hard to reproduce but ill see if I can find out
1383 [13:37:46] <flashpoint> is 3.22 the version in SID
1384 [13:37:55] <BCMM> huh how come unstable, testing and stable are all on the same major version for gnome?
1385 [13:38:07] <petn-randall> jken: Yeah, that's the annoying part about bugs that don't happen all the time.
1386 [13:38:54] <themill> ,v gnome-shell
1387 [13:38:56] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-3; buster: 3.30.0-2; sid: 3.30.0-3
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1389 [13:39:13] <BCMM> flashpoint: to be honest i don't know much about gnome - i gave you the version for the metapackage
1390 [13:39:14] <flashpoint> is sid experimental or something
1391 [13:39:15] <themill> BCMM: ^^ 'gnome' is just a metapackage
1392 [13:39:21] <BCMM> flashpoint: looks like the actual packages are newer
1393 [13:39:30] <flashpoint> which actual packages
1394 [13:39:40] <BCMM> flashpoint: sid is "unstable". "experimental" is a different distro, that you definitely should not try to use
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1396 [13:39:53] <flashpoint> the latest gnome has some pretty great updates
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1398 [13:40:10] <flashpoint> I'd say it's the most noticable upgrades I've seen in quite a few years
1399 [13:40:15] <flashpoint> I like it more
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1402 [13:40:31] <BCMM> flashpoint: debian has a gnome "metapackage". it doesn't install any files on its own, but it depends on the actual packages taht make up gnome, like gnome-shell and nautilus and so on
1403 [13:40:34] <flashpoint> it seems like whoever designs it listens to the userbase
1404 [13:40:45] <flashpoint> gnome shell
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1406 [13:41:55] <BCMM> flashpoint: looks like the shell, nautilus, evolution are all 3.30
1407 [13:42:12] <flashpoint> I don't care about evolution
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1409 [13:42:21] <flashpoint> that's the email thing?
1410 [13:42:23] <BCMM> i don't use gnome and don't have a clue how packaging works for it, so i don't know what makes them bump the metapacakge
1411 [13:42:33] <flashpoint> I'd guess changes
1412 [13:42:40] <BCMM> maybe just if the constituent packages change, maybe there's like one package somewhere holding the version back.
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1414 [13:43:05] <BCMM> but anyway i gave you bad information earlier when i looked up the package that's just called "gnome". sorry about that.
1415 [13:43:23] <flashpoint> I end up hating every distro I use
1416 [13:43:27] <flashpoint> I'm sick of distro hopping
1417 [13:43:41] <petn-randall> flashpoint: Then don't?
1418 [13:43:48] <flashpoint> I just want a daily that runs the stuff I want. a lot of people are on debian so that's one good thing
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1425 [13:44:47] <flashpoint> I haven't distro hopped for a long time, but the fuckheads in the arch channel have made me want to abandon arch
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1427 [13:45:02] <BCMM> flashpoint: well, what's actually wrong with arch? might be able to give some useful suggestions if we knew what sort of change you wanted to see
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1429 [13:45:07] <BCMM> is it just the community?
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1431 [13:45:14] <flashpoint> basically yes
1432 [13:45:57] <flashpoint> because it worked fine as a daily up until it didn't. when things don't work, you have to deal with "the community"
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1434 [13:46:07] <flashpoint> but really you have to deal with the few operators who are fucking dicks
1435 [13:46:09] <BCMM> this channel's always been alright to me. most of the rudeness seems to be reserved for people who come in here with problems that don't related to debian
1436 [13:46:37] <BCMM> flashpoint: well i've never been in the arch channel for long, but i've seen certain other channels with that issue
1437 [13:46:53] <petn-randall> flashpoint: Try to tone down your language and keep it nice and family-friendly in here please.
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1440 [13:47:01] <BCMM> it's the worst thing when a community is helpful and welcoming but but people in charge of it aren't
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1442 [13:47:23] <flashpoint> give someone a small amount of power
1443 [13:47:30] <flashpoint> and watch how petty they become
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1445 [13:47:47] <BCMM> flashpoint: anyway, i switched from gentoo to sid, because i was fed up of the compile times basically
1446 [13:47:57] <flashpoint> like that game papers please
1447 [13:48:01] <BCMM> i know i came from a pretty fragile distro, but i've been impressed with how much sid doesn't break
1448 [13:48:21] <flashpoint> arch never broke more than a few times
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1450 [13:48:41] <BCMM> i am occasionally irritated by lack of very recent packages, mostly with kde releases, but gentoo wasn't amazing on the front either, at least without running ~keyword
1451 [13:49:22] <BCMM> only thing is that sid problems are offtopic here, there's a channel over on oftc for that as mentioned in the /topic
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1453 [13:50:20] <BCMM> imho Sid is the overlooked rolling-release distro
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1455 [13:50:45] <flashpoint> underrated indie gem?
1456 [13:50:55] <BCMM> the opposite i think
1457 [13:51:00] <BCMM> i guess it's kinda boring?
1458 [13:51:04] <flashpoint> overrated boxoffice crap
1459 [13:51:59] <flashpoint> so you say that "crowdsourcing" means that the arch packages generally work fairly solidly
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1461 [13:52:36] <BCMM> i didn't say that
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1463 [13:52:51] <BCMM> i said the AUR gets you up-to-date packages by letting just about anybody upload packages
1464 [13:53:05] <BCMM> haven't used it and can't speak for the reliability of it
1465 [13:53:36] <flashpoint> ok
1466 [13:53:43] <BCMM> my assumption would be that it produces more packaging errors than debian's approach but i've got no proof of that
1467 [13:54:00] <BCMM> it's certainly a security issue, if you care about that sort of thing
1468 [13:54:16] <flashpoint> pia
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1470 [13:54:37] <flashpoint> PIA is the vpn I use, I have to have one
1471 [13:54:45] <flashpoint> because of germany
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1473 [13:55:26] <BCMM> flashpoint: not sure i understand. is that a question?
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1475 [13:56:02] <flashpoint> um. I have an easy to use networkmanager switch on and switch off thanks to AUR
1476 [13:56:06] <BCMM> as far as i know all of the protocols they offer should work in debian
1477 [13:56:14] <flashpoint> but I'm reinstalling because my comptuer was physically messed with in a hostel
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1479 [13:56:37] <darxmurf> this graphite and graphite web stuff for icinga2 is a pain in the...
1480 [13:56:59] <queip> ass
1481 [13:57:08] <flashpoint> so there's some kind of rootkit or whatever
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1483 [13:57:43] <nemo> hm. odd. after one successful reboot of my attempted ubuntu → devuan clean upgrade I appear to have init problems
1484 [13:57:49] <jken> petn-randall, was able to reproduce grub stuck on splash screen. Pressing escape, or any key, has no effect
1485 [13:57:52] <nemo> sooo screwit. gonna do a clean install.
1486 [13:58:06] <nemo> s/clean upgrade/live upgrade/
1487 [13:58:14] <nemo> but bodes poorly for my plan to do that to my dev server. ah well
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1490 [13:59:49] <flashpoint> how many people use SID
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1492 [14:00:04] <bites> 3
1493 [14:00:16] <flashpoint> this channel has a huge amount of "users"
1494 [14:00:34] <flashpoint> so... probably 1/3 of those are actual people? which is still a lot?
1495 [14:00:47] <BCMM> flashpoint: most of the people in here are probably running stable
1496 [14:01:01] <flashpoint> stable is several years out of date
1497 [14:01:08] <BCMM> flashpoint: Sid (codename for unstable) has its own channel over on oftc
1498 [14:01:19] <flashpoint> on what?
1499 [14:01:32] <BCMM> flashpoint: yeah, i suggested sid because you're used to the bleeding-edge arch thing
1500 [14:01:35] <flashpoint> I'm not joining other irc servers for his
1501 [14:01:36] <flashpoint> yes
1502 [14:01:40] <BCMM> flashpoint: different irc network
1503 [14:01:47] <BCMM> see the /topic
1504 [14:01:52] <flashpoint> that's more annoying
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1506 [14:02:16] <BCMM> all the specialist debian channels are there. #debian-gnome and so on too.
1507 [14:02:29] <BCMM> i think this and -offtopic are the only debian channels on freenode
1508 [14:02:46] <flashpoint> does it have the same ip obscuring stuff as freenode
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1510 [14:03:23] <BCMM> flashpoint: uh, what?
1511 [14:03:33] <flashpoint> the cloak thing
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1513 [14:03:45] <BCMM> flashpoint: ok two things: one, freenode cloaks are not a security measure. people can find out your IP while you're cloaked
1514 [14:04:02] <BCMM> flashpoint: two: you're on pia anyway! that *is* a valid method of obscuring your IP
1515 [14:04:22] <flashpoint> I thought, until my computer was physically accessed by some dicks in a hostel
1516 [14:04:31] <flashpoint> now I have to reinstall
1517 [14:04:39] <colo-work> obscuring your IP is useless anyway; I have a 50% of guessing it correctly on first try.
1518 [14:04:52] <flashpoint> ok don't
1519 [14:05:00] <BCMM> flashpoint: i really don't see how physical access is related to obscuring ip addresses
1520 [14:05:18] <BCMM> flashpoint: in any case, oftc has cloaks too. just don't rely on cloaks to hide your IP.
1521 [14:05:22] <flashpoint> the reason I want to reinstall is that I'm 99% sure there is a rootkit or two or more
1522 [14:05:43] <flashpoint> I don't WANT to reinstall
1523 [14:06:04] <flashpoint> this has been fine for probably 7 months
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1525 [14:06:50] <flashpoint> the problems with arch are: the operators in the channel
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1528 [14:07:09] <flashpoint> a lot of the "community" and the slight elitism
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1531 [14:07:50] <flashpoint> but as far as software goes it's good, is there a difference with debian? you asked what was "wrong" with arch
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1533 [14:08:20] <nemo> colo-work: I use a cloak just for the project association.
1534 [14:08:37] <nemo> colo-work: I'm kinda surprised about identifying it so easily though - /ctcp ?
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1537 [14:10:31] <flashpoint> I'd like to know how people do that too
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1540 [14:11:54] <BCMM> flashpoint: i don't know, because i don't know what it's like in the arch channel
1541 [14:12:17] <BCMM> flashpoint: i mean, maybe it actually is a playground of power-tripping oppers - in that case, i've not found debian to be the same
1542 [14:12:43] <flashpoint> I've been in here before and it's not been like that
1543 [14:12:44] <BCMM> flashpoint: or maybe you've done something to aggravate the ops, in which case you'll do the same here - i don't know
1544 [14:12:50] <flashpoint> no
1545 [14:12:58] <flashpoint> they aren't the same people
1546 [14:13:03] <BCMM> flashpoint: no offence meant, you understand - it's just that i can't know what your beef with arch ops is
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1548 [14:13:25] <BCMM> anyway, i've never really seen any drama in this channel
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1550 [14:13:59] <flashpoint> what's the latest version supported in this channel
1551 [14:14:06] <flashpoint> is debian rolling now?
1552 [14:14:09] <BCMM> flashpoint: this channel is for debian stable
1553 [14:14:17] <flashpoint> so it's not rolling
1554 [14:14:26] <BCMM> flashpoint: debian stable is not. it gets a major version every two years or so
1555 [14:14:33] <BCMM> flashpoint: sid is... pretty much rolling-release?
1556 [14:14:33] <flashpoint> I don't like that
1557 [14:14:44] <flashpoint> I prefer rolling
1558 [14:14:45] <BCMM> (sid == unstable)
1559 [14:14:51] <flashpoint> yes you said.
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1561 [14:15:00] <BCMM> testing is just the next stable
1562 [14:15:14] <BCMM> i.e. the distro that, after two years of testing, will become the new stable
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1564 [14:15:17] <Fox> do you prefer or do you need a rolling release ?
1565 [14:15:28] <flashpoint> I get it, it's not supported here, which makes this giant "userbase" totally unhelpful when it comes to SID help
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1567 [14:15:49] <BCMM> hmm, how do you actually get the number of users in a channel?
1568 [14:15:59] <BCMM> i'm not really prepared to manually count #debian-next
1569 [14:16:00] <flashpoint> it says so in my client
1570 [14:16:01] <nemo> BCMM: ask alis or check /names ?
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1573 [14:16:22] <flashpoint> it just says it at the top in my client. I don't do anything
1574 [14:16:34] <flashpoint> hexchat, that obscure indie client
1575 [14:16:37] <BCMM> yeah, my client has a list but no count
1576 [14:16:50] <flashpoint> damnit
1577 [14:16:56] <nemo> alis says 1213
1578 [14:17:18] <flashpoint> so if 1/3 of those are actual people it's about as much as the arch channel
1579 [14:17:38] <BCMM> nemo: oftc has alis?
1580 [14:17:42] <nemo> I suspect in any channel on freenode the majority are idlers
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1582 [14:17:53] <flashpoint> that's why I said divide by 3
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1584 [14:18:14] <flashpoint> then still most are idlers probably
1585 [14:18:14] <nemo> flashpoint: any channel, including arch 😉
1586 [14:18:30] <nemo> flashpoint: depends a lot on time of day ofc. 08:18 here on east coast of US
1587 [14:18:42] <flashpoint> just to make things clera I'm not any kind of arch fanboy
1588 [14:18:43] <nemo> 05:18 in california
1589 [14:18:48] <BCMM> 251 in #debian-next
1590 [14:18:52] <flashpoint> I just hate distro hopping so I stuck with one
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1592 [14:19:04] <BCMM> (my client has a gui version of /list i never learned to use before)
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1594 [14:19:45] <nemo> flashpoint: I use about 50% gentoo, 50% devuan these days
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1596 [14:19:55] <nemo> flashpoint: but since devuan is just a thin overlay over debian, I hang out here
1597 [14:20:01] <flashpoint> now it's time to move away from it because the channel is now worthless. if one op has a problem, they can just ban or quiet or whatever, and it's that stupid irc crap of "oh we could never undo another operators ban or whatever"
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1599 [14:20:17] <flashpoint> so it takes one single person to have a "beef" with anyone
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1602 [14:22:12] <BCMM> i don't think community issues are necessarily a bad reason to leave a distro. i just think i'm not in any position to know anything about arch's community.
1603 [14:22:40] <flashpoint> like any community most are just poeple who want to use the friggen software
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1605 [14:23:16] <BCMM> i don't think there's any way you're going to get more information about the suitability of debian or it's community other than by giving it a try at this point...
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1608 [14:24:21] <flashpoint> if this has a rootkit how do I get my photos and crap like that saved without infecting an external drive
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1611 [14:24:37] <BCMM> flashpoint: boot up from an external medium
1612 [14:24:38] <diogenes_> flashpoint, one good method to enjoy your distro is to avoid getting in contact with the comminity behind it :)
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1614 [14:24:49] <colo-work> use live medium to recover your data - grml forensic is a good choice.
1615 [14:24:52] <flashpoint> diogenes_, that would be PERFECT
1616 [14:25:08] <BCMM> flashpoint: if you don't have one already, there's a Debian Live dvd/usb image (works as an installer as well as a live system)
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1618 [14:25:33] <flashpoint> I need to find some completely clean computer
1619 [14:25:48] <versuchsanstalt> Is /boot/grub/grub.cfg supposed to be 0444 root:root, or is 0600 more reasonable?
1620 [14:25:50] <flashpoint> to make that usb installer
1621 [14:25:52] <BCMM> flashpoint: if you're worried about them compromising the hardware, you need to chuck the laptop, not do a clean install on it
1622 [14:26:05] <BCMM> flashpoint: if you just think your arch install is suspect, live USB is enough
1623 [14:26:12] <BCMM> oh right sorry.
1624 [14:26:16] <BCMM> i only read half your message
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1626 [14:26:26] <flashpoint> the software is definitely compromised
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1628 [14:26:46] <BCMM> versuchsanstalt: ... are you creating that file yourself or something?
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1630 [14:27:15] <flashpoint> there are two drives in this laptop
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1632 [14:27:26] <BCMM> versuchsanstalt: mine is also 0444, because that's how update-grub creates it
1633 [14:27:30] <flashpoint> man fuck it it's probably just going to happen again.
1634 [14:27:50] <BCMM> flashpoint: i mean, as often stated, physical access is game over
1635 [14:27:58] <flashpoint> yes
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1637 [14:27:59] <BCMM> but there are things you can do to make sure it's not quick and easy
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1639 [14:28:08] <flashpoint> like
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1641 [14:28:22] <versuchsanstalt> bcmm: nope, I am trying to find out how I can apply page 67 of the CIS Distribution Independent Linux Benchmark, it's an auditing guideline paper
1642 [14:28:25] <BCMM> with a bios password and appropriate security on the bootloader, you can make it so they'll at least have to take out your HDD to mess with things
1643 [14:28:44] <flashpoint> damnit
1644 [14:29:06] <BCMM> versuchsanstalt: well, i'm not familiar with that document. but it would be unusual for grub.cfg to contain any actionable intelligence.
1645 [14:29:16] <flashpoint> maybe it's time for an upgrade in computer
1646 [14:29:37] <BCMM> flashpoint: and with the above + full disk encryption, you can make sure you'll know if they mess with it
1647 [14:29:40] <versuchsanstalt> BCMM: I should check with a system with a pending kernel image upgrade, change it and see what happens
1648 [14:29:43] <BCMM> flashpoint: i don't see how that solves your physical security problem
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1650 [14:29:56] <BCMM> versuchsanstalt: check what exactly?
1651 [14:29:56] <flashpoint> there isn't a physical security problem now
1652 [14:30:10] <flashpoint> there was when I had to stay in a hostel
1653 [14:30:22] <flashpoint> with other scumbags who were living in it.
1654 [14:30:25] <versuchsanstalt> BCMM: check if the upgrade process fails on the file being 0400
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1658 [14:31:05] <versuchsanstalt> which it shouldnt, as i understand it
1659 [14:31:10] <flashpoint> people who live in a hostel permanently are probably living there for a reason
1660 [14:31:12] <BCMM> flashpoint: look, technically there are all kinds of persistent things that could have been done to your computer. you can hide malware in battery firmware these days... but unless your adversary is a government agency, i'd assume that any rootkit exists only as data on your hard drive
1661 [14:31:27] <flashpoint> that's what I assume also
1662 [14:31:43] <BCMM> if the nsa messed with your computer, toss the computer. if some guy in a hostel messed with your computer, zero out the hard drive
1663 [14:32:03] <flashpoint> that's what I want to avoid
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1665 [14:32:13] <BCMM> you want to avoid zeroing out the hdd?
1666 [14:32:16] <flashpoint> how can I safely extract my photos and other stuff like that
1667 [14:32:30] <BCMM> like i said, live medium, created on a clean computer
1668 [14:32:37] <flashpoint> I don't have a clean computer
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1670 [14:32:53] <BCMM> flashpoint: you can buy pre-installed media online
1671 [14:33:14] <flashpoint> the next few hours I have free
1672 [14:33:14] <flashpoint> that's when I want to do this
1673 [14:33:26] <versuchsanstalt> flashpoint: invest the time to get it right.
1674 [14:33:47] <flashpoint> are you german
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1676 [14:34:16] <flashpoint> this place is annoying.
1677 [14:35:38] <BCMM> flashpoint: for example replaced-url
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1679 [14:35:41] <versuchsanstalt> my nick is german, yes flashpoint.
1680 [14:36:17] <BCMM> i don't actually speak german, so you will need to check for yourself if that's debian live or just the installer
1681 [14:36:24] <flashpoint> I'm not german
1682 [14:36:38] <flashpoint> I am in the country though.
1683 [14:36:54] <versuchsanstalt> which city u at, flashpoint?
1684 [14:37:06] <flashpoint> the one full of whores and drugs
1685 [14:37:19] <versuchsanstalt> the _one_.
1686 [14:37:24] <flashpoint> the major one
1687 [14:37:25] <BCMM> flashpoint: i gave you a .de because shipping costs/speed, not because of any assumption about what languages you prefer to read :)
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1689 [14:37:47] <flashpoint> I can't get it shipped but thanks for the help so far
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1691 [14:38:07] <BCMM> well if you can't receive post, and you don't have a clean computer, it's hard to see an answer
1692 [14:38:21] <flashpoint> throw this out
1693 [14:38:29] <flashpoint> use it until I can get a clean one
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1695 [14:38:54] <BCMM> flashpoint: except... well, a rootkit technically could modify the installer image you download so that the fresh install is also compromised, but in practice, it probably isn't going to do so
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1698 [14:39:26] <BCMM> since it'd be pretty hard to write a generic method that compromises arbitrary install images
1699 [14:39:44] <flashpoint> I was thikning that writing it with a compromised system could be a problem
1700 [14:39:47] <flashpoint> putting hte usb stick into this, and then writing to it
1701 [14:39:48] <BCMM> again, the difference between doing it right and doing it well enough for the threat you're looking at...
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1705 [14:40:07] <flashpoint> I dunno, I don't know what they used, I didn't ask them.
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1707 [14:40:30] <flashpoint> if someone is doing that shit, it doens't matter what you say or do, you won't stop them or change their mind
1708 [14:40:48] <flashpoint> or get anything honest out of them. I know for a fact they were reading my stuff
1709 [14:40:55] <flashpoint> that's it
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1712 [14:41:29] <flashpoint> I don't know precisely how but I have about 80 ip addresses that my stuff was passing through
1713 [14:41:50] <flashpoint> so I left that physical place, and now I have this computer to deal with.
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1715 [14:44:16] <BCMM> flashpoint: in your situation, i would probably download the install image, reboot with init=/bin/sh, verify the sha512sum and dd it
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1717 [14:44:45] <BCMM> flashpoint: now, technically they *could* have given you a modified shell or modified sha512sum or a modified dd
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1720 [14:45:02] <BCMM> and if this was an abstract security exercise this would be the wrong answer
1721 [14:45:12] <BCMM> but in practice, they won't have done all of those
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1724 [14:48:03] <flashpoint> it's doubtful just to do the digital equivalent of sniffing someones' underpants
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1744 [14:57:58] <transhumanist> hi! running raspbian, is this the place to ask questions?
1745 [14:58:30] <transhumanist> never mind
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1749 [15:00:45] <flashpoint> BCMM, I should mention that it was connected to the wireless there for days
1750 [15:00:56] <flashpoint> so... I dunno how much is possible
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1753 [15:02:21] <flashpoint> plausible
1754 [15:02:27] <flashpoint> plausibility is the only relevant thing
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1789 [15:31:59] <n4dir> nemo: the general problem of unmet dependencies? the thread at forums debian sure is old.
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1791 [15:32:28] <nemo> n4dir: well. monitor resolution of 1152 instead of 1600
1792 [15:32:36] <nemo> n4dir: would rather avoid mucking about w/ X config
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1796 [15:33:43] <Guest28> buongiorno
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1798 [15:34:38] <__m4ch1n3__> Hi! How do I upgrade buster to sid?
1799 [15:35:20] <n4dir> !testing
1800 [15:35:20] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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1802 [15:35:50] <__m4ch1n3__> !unstable
1803 [15:35:51] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
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1807 [15:37:50] <Guest28> I have a contract ADSL2+ with my telephone operator, and my telephone system is as follows:
1808 [15:38:02] <Guest28> Uploaded file: replaced-url
1809 [15:38:05] <n4dir> anyway: you replace buster with sid in the sources list, run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade. You might want to install the package apt-listbugs, if it ain't installed already. __m4ch1n3__
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1811 [15:39:10] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm i did "sed -i 's/buster/sid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update" but i get some errors while update
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1813 [15:39:42] <Guest28> I would known if I change the contract ADSL2+ --> VDSL2 (internet + phone in VoIP) how can I do the "overturning telephone sockets"?
1814 [15:41:01] <themill> __m4ch1n3__: To be brutally honest, if you've got to ask, you shouldn't be doing this. You will always get some level of problems with upgrades in sid and you need to be able to deal with them yourself.
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1816 [15:41:57] <__m4ch1n3__> get 404 error for replaced-url
1817 [15:41:59] <n4dir> __m4ch1n3__: really a question for #debian-next (iirc, pretty sure, for sid you only need the main line, no security or such).
1818 [15:42:17] <__m4ch1n3__> ahh, k
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1820 [15:42:43] <themill> __m4ch1n3__: someone who knows enough about how Debian works to run sid would know that sid-updates makes zero sense
1821 [15:42:56] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
1822 [15:42:58] <nemo> n4dir: hm. monitor shows up as "unknown" maybe it's a question of updating whatever linux monitor database with a new entry
1823 [15:43:00] <themill> __m4ch1n3__: Perhaps spending your time learning about Debian first would be better?
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1828 [15:45:23] <n4dir> for example debian stable with stable backports and sid or testing in a chroot (via debootstrap, which makes a chroot rather easy). __m4ch1n3__ (if this is a test machine anyway: i guess thats fine).
1829 [15:45:29] <__wrksx> I have a user that is allowed to run a specific script using sudo -g
1830 [15:45:54] <__wrksx> I'd like if possible to allow him to run that script without typing sudo -g each time
1831 [15:46:03] <__wrksx> is there a way to do that ?
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1835 [15:48:42] <themill> __wrksx: 3 easy options: an alias, a wrapper script, checking within the script if it's the wrong group and exec sudo …
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1838 [15:49:29] <__wrksx> themill, right, ty for the suggestions
1839 [15:49:51] <__wrksx> I think the alias will be fine
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1898 [16:28:05] <Camusensei> The util-linux package doesn't provide /usr/bin/column. Is that because it's not in the .deb or is it because it detected that bsdmainutils already provided it so it did not install it?
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1903 [16:31:54] <petn-randall> Camusensei: It's not part of util-linux. There is no dynamic detection. Either the package ships it, or it doesn't. No two packages in Debian are allowed to ship the same file.
1904 [16:32:17] <petn-randall> *file = absolute filename with basedir, e.g. /usr/bin/column.
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1908 [16:32:41] <thms> When I create a jessie LXC, my base system doesn'(t have ping or any other thing, how do I tell to add that ? I don't have network ready :/
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1911 [16:34:09] <petn-randall> thms: How are you creating the container?
1912 [16:34:21] <Camusensei> petn-randall: you mean "not part of the util-linux debian package", right?
1913 [16:34:49] <petn-randall> Camusensei: yes
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1915 [16:34:58] <Camusensei> petn-randall: thank you for your answers :)
1916 [16:35:44] <thms> petn-randall, actually chrooted in it and installing the packages.
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1922 [16:38:28] <jolt> thms: I usually configure the network interfaces on the outside before starting and then installing the packages. Then I clone new machinces from that as a template
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1952 [16:52:27] <thms> OK guys, my LXC container has a public IP adress. I can SSH from the host to the container's. I can also ssh from the container, to the host. My host can go outside. But my container cannot go outside.
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1954 [16:52:52] <thms> How do I get my lxc to be able to talk to outside ? I've ip_forward set to 1
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1959 [16:56:36] <petn-randall> thms: you likely need the interface of your container and the physical interface to be on the same Ethernet bridge. If they don't belong to the same subnet, you'll have to set the proper NAT rules on the host.
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1961 [16:57:38] <ArminiusTux> Hi, I need help switching between OpenGL drivers on a multiGPU system.
1962 [16:57:41] <shredo> hi! have any of you ever tryed to authenticate over LDAP with not necessarily posix accounts and give a custom shell to any LDAP authenticated users over ssh?
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1969 [17:02:24] <thms> petn-randall, they belong to the same subnet and brctl show, show them on the same bridge
1970 [17:02:51] <thms> petn-randall, when you say ethernet bridge, you mean brtctl or osmething else ?
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1998 [17:20:37] <anzipex> How to install deb-package with default action of current version always "Y"?
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2001 [17:21:34] <themill> !confold
2002 [17:21:35] <dpkg> [confold] dpkg --force-confold will force dpkg to ignore any new versions of <conffiles> in packages, e.g. «apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confold" upgrade». Note that by ignoring changes to conffiles, you may miss out important changes and packages may be left in a non-working state afterwards.
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2004 [17:21:41] <themill> (if I understand your question)
2005 [17:21:51] <greycat> I think he wants the reverse, always use new.
2006 [17:21:56] <greycat> I could be wrong.
2007 [17:22:01] <themill> oh, possibly
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2010 [17:23:45] <themill> (and then there's ucf)
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2016 [17:28:05] <anzipex> greycat, yes i want to always use ne
2017 [17:28:10] <anzipex> *new
2018 [17:28:17] <themill> !confnew
2019 [17:28:18] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
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2021 [17:29:21] <themill> !man 1 dpkg
2022 [17:29:22] <dpkg> man 1 dpkg is probably at replaced-url
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2029 [17:34:53] <efraschilla> bcm4331 works in debian thank you all for this I was lost in obsd
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2038 [17:39:35] <anzipex> Thanks
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2090 [18:10:04] <outoftime> I have changed partions on HDD. I have changed grub.cfg via `grub-mkconfig` so it points to right partition. Looks like I have to run `grub-install` to change location inside `boot.img`. Never done this before, want to ensure that I understand things right. In order to set boot.img to /dev/sda I have to run "grub-install /dev/sda" if I want to load grub.cfg from /dev/sda5 I have to run "grub-install --boot-directory=/media/sda5 /dev/sda"
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2106 [18:20:39] <jelly> outoftime: or mount your / filesystem someplace, mount /boot under that, bind-mount /proc and /sys (and I don't remember, maybe /dev as well) into the same place, chroot into the root filesystem and just run "grub-install /dev/sda" there
2107 [18:20:43] <petn-randall> thms: Yes, brctl. If that's the case, you'll have to check your firewall.
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2114 [18:27:01] <flipchan> hey
2115 [18:27:05] <flipchan> where can i find the debian 8 package for mysql_ssl_rsa_setup ?
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2118 [18:28:26] <petn-randall> flipchan: replaced-url
2119 [18:29:04] <flipchan> "Sorry, your search gave no results"
2120 [18:29:10] <flipchan> its inside something else
2121 [18:29:34] <outoftime> jelly, so I understand things right?
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2127 [18:30:38] <petn-randall> flipchan: It means that there's no package in all of debian 8 that contains that filename.
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2135 [18:32:52] <annadane> maybe it got changed to something mariadb related... tracker might provide clues
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2137 [18:32:57] <jelly> outoftime: well... I don't really know if your thing works or not, but the chroot thing does.
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2140 [18:33:27] <greycat> annadane: jessie was still using mysql
2141 [18:34:18] <flipchan> cant seems to find
2142 [18:34:19] <flipchan> it
2143 [18:34:32] <flipchan> ppl say its in mysql-client
2144 [18:34:36] <flipchan> but nope
2145 [18:34:40] <outoftime> jelly, according to 'info grub-install' is have to work
2146 [18:35:04] <annadane> flipchan, maybe approach this problem from another direction: why do you need this package?
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2148 [18:35:24] <annadane> state the problem you're trying to solve and we can try to propose solutions
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2157 [18:36:49] <petn-randall> flipchan: oldstable ships mysql 5.5, where this command didn't exist yet. However, it already sets up a snakeoil certificate by default, IIRC.
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2198 [19:03:18] <tharkun> Good $DAY what would be my weapon of choice if I need to develop an android app on Debian?
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2213 [19:14:00] <petn-randall> tharkun: adb + Android Studio, I guess. replaced-url
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2217 [19:14:28] <tharkun> petn-randall: Will try it. Have you used it?
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2220 [19:19:35] <tharkun> petn-randall: Thanks
2221 [19:20:24] <petn-randall> tharkun: I've only used adb before to do things on my phone. I haven't done any app development.
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2223 [19:23:29] <warai_otoko> any IDE recommendation for an old powerpc Debian Jessie box?
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2228 [19:25:10] <tharkun> petn-randall: Thanks I will install adb to begin with. My daughters phone broke and she doesn't remember the email asssociated to her phone so this might just get me the info I need on this case.
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2231 [19:26:05] <tharkun> warai_otoko: I believe eclipse worked on Jessie but take that at face value. I've been using vim + make as my weapon of choice for a long time now.
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2241 [19:28:59] <petn-randall> tharkun: adb needs to be enabled on the phone, and it's not by default, so you might not get that far there, unfortunately. :(
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2249 [19:33:24] <velix> Sorry for asking in here, but #lxcontainers is very idle. Hi there. My host is Debian stable. I want to run my containers on their own network and want to only allow some ports (80, 443) go out to the normal network. My intranet doesn't have a DHCP and I can't assign new IPs to it. Right now, the containers don't get an IP at all. Can I create a "host only" network for this and bridge it to my normal eth0? Is dnsmasq fine for this? I've set
2250 [19:33:24] <velix> up a bridge using this, it's up and running: replaced-url
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2259 [19:35:33] <petn-randall> velix: You can *either* use a bridge, which is ISO layer 2, but then you need to provide IP addresses on your intranet. *Or* you create a local subnet on your host, which your LXC containers are on, and then use NAT. In the latter case you can of course not access any containers from the intranet unless you set up port forwarding.
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2266 [19:36:33] <velix> petn-randall: Okay. I'm using the latter case. But right now, lxc-ls --fancy shows, the container doesn't have an IP :/
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2269 [19:37:34] <petn-randall> velix: Well, you need to either set up a dhcp server local to the lxc network, or provide static IP addresses in the config of the lxc containers.
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2274 [19:39:10] <velix> petn-randall: Oh, so neither LXC nor dnsmasq has "fake" dhcp functionality?
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2276 [19:39:40] <velix> petn-randall: None of the tutorials says "you need to bring your own DHCPd" :(
2277 [19:39:45] <velix> s/says/say
2278 [19:40:03] <greycat> probably because everyone either already has one, or they assign addresses manually
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2283 [19:41:43] <velix> I see.
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2285 [19:42:58] <velix> I'll try it and thank you later ;)
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2290 [19:49:46] <petn-randall> velix: "fake" dhcp? dnsmasq ships the real deal.
2291 [19:50:20] <velix> petn-randall: Is it like a DHCP?
2292 [19:50:59] <petn-randall> velix: dnsmasq *is* a DHCP server, if that's your question.
2293 [19:51:08] <velix> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2294 [19:51:17] <velix> dnsmsq_feat_dhcp
2295 [19:51:41] <petn-randall> But you know that already from reading the package description.
2296 [19:51:43] <velix> t3- in #lxcontainers linked me to an Ubuntu howto. Perhapps this helps.
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2322 [20:08:04] <velix> Oh dear. I might understand, why people are using Docker :/
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2327 [20:12:26] <greycat> Well, it's no different from deploying a new server. In order for clients to reach it, it has to be addressable. You can either assign an address by hand, or have DHCP do it.
2328 [20:13:00] <velix> Yeah, since dnsmsaq seems to be a DHCP server, it simply doesn't want to get an IP from it :)
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2346 [20:24:12] <everdred> Hi all. I'm running Testing on my desktop and I just let apt remove consolekit and libpam-ck-connector in order to allow systemd to upgrade. Was this a bad decision?
2347 [20:24:35] <greycat> !debian-next
2348 [20:24:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2350 [20:25:52] <everdred> greycat: thank you for the heads-up. I will try there.
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2356 [20:29:39] <velix> Interesting. When setting the IP manually, it works and I can ping it.
2357 [20:29:49] <velix> petn-randall: Are you sure, dnsmasq has DHCP functionality?
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2362 [20:31:26] <velix> petn-randall: Yes, it has.
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2371 [20:35:40] <tw> it definite has dhcp capability, but you might have to set which interfaces it response on.
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2376 [20:38:38] <velix> I think, I'll start from scratch. Perhaps somewhere any script has set a config file...
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2386 [20:43:59] <velix> tw: you seem to be right. dhcpdump -i lxcbr0 doesn't give anything.
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2397 [20:46:16] <velix> This guy does the same thing as I do, but I don't see any IPs on lxc-ls: replaced-url
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2409 [20:56:51] <velix> Could this be a bug in a script?
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2413 [20:58:53] <velix> Wait what?? Sorry, this is not normal. replaced-url
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2428 [21:04:26] <velix> MAN! You'll never guess ...
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2430 [21:04:51] <velix> syslog has shown me that two new mac addresses have got an IP.
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2432 [21:05:01] <velix> I can ping both.... so lxc-ls iy buggy.
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2443 [21:10:22] <domovoy> hi, i can't get sending mails working. I installed bsd-mailx, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, chose "smarthost; no local mail", "submission.mymailserver.org::587" for smarthost, put "submission.mymailserver.org:login:password" in /etc/exim4/passwd.client. when i 'mailx -d myaddress@mymailserver.org' nothing seems to happen, i don't have any error in /var/log/exim4/mainlog, and _nothing_, _nothing at all_ in /var/log/mail.* on submission.mymailserver.org
2444 [21:10:22] <domovoy> (which is configured whith postfix and works well). I just the daemons on this host to be able to send me reports.
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2450 [21:15:37] <nyov> domovoy: update-alternatives --list mailx
2451 [21:15:40] <nyov> what does that say?
2452 [21:16:03] <domovoy> nyov> /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
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2455 [21:16:33] <nyov> okay, so it's the right binary
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2457 [21:17:29] <nyov> I don't know exim
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2460 [21:18:06] <nyov> never worked right, so i switched to postfix early :) glad that it became the default in debian
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2463 [21:20:30] <domovoy> nyov> ho, is postfix the default now? any good resource on how to set it up so that daemon mails are sent to foobar@mymailserver.org?
2464 [21:20:45] <greycat> exim4 is still the default
2465 [21:21:36] <nyov> greycat: no, really? postfix is default mailer in debian? I'm living in a parallel universe...
2466 [21:22:09] <nyov> is *not* default>? sorry, that is confusing
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2470 [21:23:39] <greycat> bsd-mailx depends on "default-mta | mail-transport-agent", and default-mta is a virtual package provided by exim4-daemon-light
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2472 [21:24:24] <jelly> nyov: not only is postfix not default, it never was
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2474 [21:25:09] <nyov> and here I was so certain. Man, talk about mandela effect
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2481 [21:26:16] <jelly> I'd say you were coming from a background with more ubuntu experience than debian if you thought so, it is one of their saner defaults
2482 [21:27:09] <nyov> No no, I thought it was around potato where I suddenly didn't have to wrangle out exim after an install. but obviously I'm wrong
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2484 [21:27:27] <greycat> exim has been the default for a *really* long time
2485 [21:27:45] <greycat> since before exim4 had a 4 in it, at least
2486 [21:28:00] <nyov> I suppose the installer got more sane and allowed me to choose postfix, instead
2487 [21:28:11] <jelly> it did not
2488 [21:28:11] <greycat> not the standard installer
2489 [21:28:33] <nyov> now you're pulling my leg...
2490 [21:28:34] <greycat> you are of course free to install postfix yourself, and many people do
2491 [21:29:01] <jelly> however, the base system does not come with ANY mta since... what, lenny? squeeze?
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2494 [21:30:50] <greycat> package cron has "Recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent" as far back as Debian 5, which is the farthest back I can easily check right now
2495 [21:31:35] <jelly> base doesn't come with cron either, but that's what often pulls in a MTA nuless tools are told to ignore Recommends
2496 [21:31:46] <greycat> O_o
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2498 [21:32:17] <greycat> It's got "Priority: important"
2499 [21:32:37] <jelly> so you get it if you choose the standard task.
2500 [21:33:00] <jelly> ain't nobody got time fo' that
2501 [21:33:43] <domovoy> well... maybe postfix _should_ be the default. i purged exim4, installed postfix, answer 2 questions, and guess what: it works
2502 [21:33:56] <nyov> :)
2503 [21:34:21] <jelly> it asks for like 4-5 questions by default, where are you getting your package from
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2506 [21:35:08] <domovoy> jelly> maybe the ones i haven't seen come from when i configured exim
2507 [21:35:20] <jelly> mailname would, yes
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2522 [21:41:08] <Eightynine> I'm using MATE and I don't have Synaptic in menu although it's install. How to fix that?
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2534 [21:50:13] <n4dir> Eightynine: the web says you can do it graphical for Mate (right click on Applications, then Edit Menus). I haven't used a menu in ages, but recall something like "update-menus" (should happen if you install a new app automatically, iirc) and (even more misty) working with appname.desktop ( .desktop being the important thing), perhaps i copied them to ~/.local/share. - I for one wouldn't bother but start it via command prompt.
2535 [21:52:18] <Eightynine> n4dir Do you use MATE?
2536 [21:52:38] <n4dir> nope.
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2539 [21:53:39] <n4dir> I seem to recall you asked the same yesterday, and no answer. Else i wouldn't have said anything (you got some searchterms for the web, the rest is too vague ).
2540 [21:53:56] <Eightynine> n4dir So what do you use and why not MATE? Just wondering.
2541 [21:54:30] <Eightynine> Sorry, I forgot I asked this before.
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2543 [21:55:04] <greycat> There are a plethora of desktop environments and window managers, and everyone's got their own unique preferences.
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2545 [21:56:06] <n4dir> Puh. I don't care much for the graphical WM or DE used. I don't do enough (i only start 2 or 3 apps. A webbrowser, a IRC client, a terminal and sometimes a mail-client). I could use Mate too, i guess it would do what i want. I start those by the command-prompt, and each app gets it's own desktop. So to me the WM DE doesn't matter, as all seem to offer that. clear as mud now, i hope.
2546 [21:56:42] <greycat> With that sort of setup, it wouldn't make sense to use a desktop environment.
2547 [21:56:57] <greycat> It would just be a lot of bloat that you never use.
2548 [21:57:05] <n4dir> yup. I pretty much stick to WM's for a few years now.
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2592 [22:21:50] <velix> root
2593 [22:21:51] <velix> 4j5ighu93j
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2595 [22:22:14] <Roedy> I have just updated my freebsd to 11.4 and now my Debian servers cant connect to it via NFS. I receive an IO error replaced-url
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2598 [22:22:23] <greycat> velix: time to change that password
2599 [22:22:33] <velix> greycat: ;)
2600 [22:22:38] <velix> 4j5ighu93j1
2601 [22:22:44] <annadane> all we saw were stars.
2602 [22:22:48] <annadane> (kidding. change it.)
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2604 [22:22:54] <velix> annadane: [x] done
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2629 [22:39:10] <Roedy> I have just updated my freebsd to 11.4 and now my Debian servers cant connect to it via NFS. I receive an IO error replaced-url
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2648 [22:53:30] <mason> Roedy: Do you mean 10.4?
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2651 [22:54:32] <Roedy> mason: sorry i meant from 10.4 to 11.2
2652 [22:55:02] <outoftime> Can I split existing root "/" partition using live usb? I can no see gpated when booting from liveusb
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2654 [22:55:59] <outoftime> Also I have internet connection
2655 [22:56:00] <mason> Roedy: 11.2 is willing to use NFSv4, so "man exports" on the FreeBSD box and maybe try allowing NFSv4 explicitly.
2656 [22:56:21] <outoftime> *have no
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2659 [22:58:53] <Roedy> mason: Alright. Ill try to do that.
2660 [23:00:28] <Roedy> mason: The strange thing is that older versions of freebsd is still working agains the 11.2. Its just my debian servers that dont. I even update one from jessie to stretch to see if that helped
2661 [23:00:54] <mason> Roedy: I assume the older FreeBSD is only trying NFSv3.
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2663 [23:01:04] <mason> Roedy: O
2664 [23:01:18] <mason> Roedy: I* am just guessing with all this, but it seems worth trying.
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2666 [23:01:50] <Roedy> mason: maybe, but If i ask debian to use v3, I get the same error. - I'll try your suggestion anyway
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2671 [23:05:46] <mason> Roedy: FWIW, rc.conf from an 11.2 box here: replaced-url
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2674 [23:06:23] <mason> I just fought through a couple minutes of captchas to read the pastebin, and I see that you were on v3 already. I'd make sure all the parts are running on the NFS server, as a next step.
2675 [23:06:40] <mason> (bpaste.net and others that don't require javascript are friendlier services)
2676 [23:06:55] <Roedy> ahh
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2684 [23:09:19] <mason> bbiab in any event - also check #freebsd, as the change is clearly on that side
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2686 [23:10:35] <Roedy> I already did. Sadly no one seems to have an idea :( - So I took a wild shot and asked here.
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2693 [23:16:36] <outoftime> !paste
2694 [23:16:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2701 [23:18:59] <outoftime> !paste
2702 [23:19:00] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2721 [23:26:00] <outoftime> I like to use replaced-url
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2734 [23:30:17] <confusedlinuxuse> hello
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2736 [23:31:26] <annadane> cutoffnamelinuxuse
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2747 [23:37:27] <confusedlinuxuse> i have a question about brute force, im testing a script that attacks using a password list, and changes ip using tor, itt is pretty slow, my question is, what are ways to speed up the process of brute force attack or is it impossible ? im using a small file 60mb and has 14344391 passwords . there are files out there over 60 gb, i cant even imagine how many passwords that shit has, anybody ever tried running a succesful brute force and how
2748 [23:37:27] <confusedlinuxuse> long did it take you
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2759 [23:45:42] <annadane> let me guess, you're on kali or parrot and not debian
2760 [23:46:10] <annadane> also that's not a debian question anyway
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2768 [23:48:05] <confusedlinuxuse> kali is debian based
2769 [23:48:31] <confusedlinuxuse> but ur right , the question doesnt seem to belong to any channel
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2771 [23:48:54] <annadane> !based on debian
2772 [23:48:54] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2774 [23:50:02] <confusedlinuxuse> yeah, the question is really just a general discussion subject, not a technical one
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2778 [23:53:08] <digdilem> confusedlinuxuse, ##security might have some answers to that
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