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129 [01:24:15] <johnjay> is it better to read the debian handbook or the debian reference?
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138 [01:28:58] <mpo> I don't think the handbook provides the necessary details.
139 [01:29:28] <mpo> It's an overview, not an in-depth reference.
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143 [01:31:36] <velix> Can stretch still run normal init files or are they gone completely?
144 [01:31:46] <mpo> Or let me raphrase: The handbook doesn't always provode the necessary details.
145 [01:32:00] <johnjay> ok
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164 [01:48:35] <awal1> conky fails to display (appear) sometimes on my openbox session even if in .xsession-errors I it indicates it is started normally, no errors. not sure how to debug that
165 [01:48:57] <awal1> conky fails to display (appear) sometimes on my openbox session even if in .xsession-errors indicates it is started normally, no errors. not sure how to debug that
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168 [01:50:17] <awal1> I start it via openbox 'autostart' file.
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170 [01:50:36] <awal1> I don't think it is an openbox issue, but conky itself
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174 [01:53:38] <velix> Anyone with an idea?
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180 [01:56:46] <johnjay> you mean lik systemd?
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184 [02:01:26] <velix> johnjay: Yeah, I've got some old autorun scripts on startup, which are sysv ... I don't want to port them :D
185 [02:01:38] <velix> johnjay: Doesn't Debian has some magic scripts to convert them?
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192 [02:06:08] <nyov> velix: I think systemd-sysv might handle them
193 [02:06:30] <velix> nyov: okay, I'll create a snapshot and will try it ;D
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197 [02:08:27] <jaggz> what was they "why" command to see rdeps?
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199 [02:09:44] <nyov> "why"? you mean `apt-cache rdepends` ?
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203 [02:11:04] <jaggz> oh I thought there was an aptitude why foo or something
204 [02:11:27] <nyov> perhaps there is. what are trying to look up?
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206 [02:11:31] <jaggz> rdeps :)
207 [02:11:40] <jaggz> why this package is installed (what depends on it)
208 [02:12:02] <nyov> aptitude why
209 [02:12:18] <nyov> as you said yourself %)
210 [02:12:31] <jaggz> ah.. lol. I tried apt why only.
211 [02:12:37] <jaggz> (apt doesn't support it)
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214 [02:14:11] <nyov> apt is relatively new. probably will support it eventually
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351 [04:11:42] <octet> has anyone tried debian+hurd? I am curious how it runs for you
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409 [05:05:51] <Mr_Queue> Lots of years ago. I think it's a massive waste of time really.
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411 [05:06:20] <octet> with all this CoC talk, I was thinking about alternatives in case things go awry
412 [05:06:50] <Mr_Queue> Nothing is going to happen.
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417 [05:08:15] <Mr_Queue> Kid's today don't remember what it was like on IRC 10 or 15 years ago....
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419 [05:08:27] <Mr_Queue> They don't remember Usenet, or even know it exists...
420 [05:08:45] <Mr_Queue> They don't have a clue how all these awesome projects started..
421 [05:08:49] <octet> I know of usenet. that is the thingy you use to downlaod movies with 40 rar files, right?!
422 [05:09:45] <Mr_Queue> But what they do know is they want their share of the pie.. No matter how they get it.
423 [05:09:52] <tyzef> Yo all ! on debian 4.9.0-8-amd64 i try to install VirtualBoX with Synaptic but it doesn't work... any idea ?
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426 [05:10:28] <Mr_Queue> I guess you did it wrong.
427 [05:10:54] <octet> try googling your error and check stackoverflow
428 [05:10:55] <Mr_Queue> Try and do it the correct way.
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451 [05:24:05] <tyzef> Mr_Queue you are right, i forgot to had "-t stretch-backports"
452 [05:24:13] <tyzef> thank you guy
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490 [05:49:59] <Mr_Queue> tyzef: New CoC says you should send me BTC so I feel involved.
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496 [05:54:13] <tyzef> Mr_Queue I don't get you
497 [05:54:31] <tyzef> CoC, BTC
498 [05:54:35] <Mr_Queue> Me either.
499 [05:54:41] <tyzef> hehe
500 [05:54:56] <Mr_Queue> Naw, I
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503 [05:55:26] <Mr_Queue> 'm tossing cheap shots at all this stupid Linux CoC flying around. I'm sick of it.
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571 [07:17:33] <darxmurf> ,prmomg
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581 [07:37:48] <darxmurf> s/,prmomg/morning/
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583 [07:37:58] <darxmurf> everything is under control this morning :D
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590 [07:41:40] <hexhaxtron> Help!!
591 [07:41:57] <hexhaxtron> I'm trying to boot Debian but it says: You are in emergency mode.
592 [07:42:08] <hexhaxtron> I press Ctrl + D but it won't boot... :(
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595 [07:44:36] <darxmurf> any other message before that ?
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597 [07:44:44] <darxmurf> like something wrong with the disks or other ?
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601 [07:47:48] <hexhaxtron> darxmurf, it says [ OK ] Mounted /home
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603 [07:50:00] <jelly> hexhaxtron: which debian release is this, and can you provide a screenshot
604 [07:50:19] <jelly> before pressing ^D
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637 [08:22:37] <mpo> Is it possible to put three DVD iso images on a single USB stick?
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639 [08:22:56] <mpo> And then install from that stick?
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648 [08:28:15] <jelly> mpo: not really, no
649 [08:29:00] <jelly> (I mean anything is possible but debian-installer is NOT able to easily find data in .iso images on a filesystem on a partition on an usb stick)
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651 [08:29:28] <mpo> That is what I was asking. Thanks.
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706 [09:14:28] <darxmurf> any difference between: if [[ condition1 ]] || [[ condition2 ]] and if [[ condition1 || condition2 ]] ?
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799 [10:22:42] <m712> where can i make a bug report for debian-installer?
800 [10:23:13] <m712> it shouldn't let you create a EFI boot partition on LVM or a crypted partition
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802 [10:23:24] <m712> i burned myself doing that
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804 [10:24:04] <Fox> m712: using reportbug maybe ?
805 [10:25:23] <m712> thanks, i'll try
806 [10:25:29] <Fox> yaw
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824 [10:38:56] <m712> well reportbug went through and i got a copy of the email in my inbox, but no tracking number yet
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857 [11:00:32] <m712> that sad moment when your hard disk is more of a bottleneck than your network in apt install
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869 [11:04:39] <Haohmaru> slow yer horses
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906 [11:33:04] <johnjay> is vsftpd the default ftp server in debian?
907 [11:33:15] <johnjay> i didn't know there was such a thing as a default ftp server but wiki says there is
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912 [11:34:27] <petn-randall> johnjay: Not sure what you mean with "default". There's a dozen to pick from, though IMHO vsftpd is the least worse ftp server.
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916 [11:35:44] <FinalX> why still bother with ftp in this day and age? at least use sftp (over ssh)
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918 [11:35:55] <FinalX> we disabled ftp for all of our customers a few months back as well in favor of sftp
919 [11:36:16] <FinalX> sftp has so many advantages over ftp..
920 [11:36:17] * petn-randall is guessing web designers.
921 [11:36:33] <FinalX> then they should update their software
922 [11:36:45] <FinalX> we have tens of thousands of webhosting customers as well
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925 [11:36:59] <FinalX> and hundreds of thousands of customers that upload to their homepage space
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928 [11:37:40] <FinalX> some were not so happy with the change, but almost all of them just adapted
929 [11:37:42] <Kelsar> sftp is not ftp over ssh, it is a totaly different protocol
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931 [11:38:04] <Kelsar> but yes, get rid of ftp
932 [11:38:05] <FinalX> i never said it's ftp over ssh, even though it's described like that in many ftp-clients like flashfxp.
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934 [11:38:17] <FinalX> hence the "has many advantages over ftp"
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937 [11:39:30] <FinalX> and if you're really still going for ftp, at least make it ftps.. (but really, don't.. use sftp)
938 [11:40:42] <johnjay> FinalX: to answer your question, sometimes android phones and virtualmachines make it more difficult than it needs to be to transfer files to them. then ftp is a useful solution
939 [11:40:59] <Kelsar> johnjay: no, it is not. Android has oob sftp support
940 [11:41:04] <FinalX> ^
941 [11:41:29] <Kelsar> also FTP is far more complicatednetwork wise to get to those devices. whils sftp only cares for one port, ftp always need multiple
942 [11:41:35] <johnjay> when you say oob you mean from the app store?
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944 [11:41:45] <Kelsar> android itself has sftp support
945 [11:42:04] <FinalX> things like the popular ES File Explorer also fully support it, and it works faster and more reliable than regular ftp (and most other protocols it supports)
946 [11:42:18] <BCMM> Kelsar: "sftp (over ssh)" is pedantic, but technically correct. the sftp protocol, by design, could run on other secure transports
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948 [11:42:29] <BCMM> i don't know if anybody actually does it, though
949 [11:42:31] <FinalX> plus it makes use of your regular openssh daemon so you'd be running a piece of software less, and gains all of its advantages too
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951 [11:42:54] <FinalX> (actually spawns sftp-server .. but still, point remains)
952 [11:42:59] <Kelsar> you can't do every setup with openssh... got some nice setups with proftpd too
953 [11:43:18] <FinalX> sure, but for general use you don't really have to
954 [11:43:24] <Kelsar> true
955 [11:43:47] <FinalX> and people often seem to confuse sftp with ftps, in my experience.. they're really a completely different thing
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957 [11:43:56] <johnjay> FinalX: ah well i don't interact with my phone on that level typically as I can't write and compile apps
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1084 [13:20:24] <moldy> hi
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1087 [13:21:00] <moldy> hi
1088 [13:21:04] <Kelsar> hi
1089 [13:21:05] <Kelsar> hi
1090 [13:21:48] <moldy> after system updates and a reboot, my resolution is down to 1024x768. any idea? replaced-url
1091 [13:21:51] <moldy> hi Kelsar :p
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1098 [13:24:41] <moldy> xrandr attempt: replaced-url
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1104 [13:27:30] <petn-randall> moldy: Does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" return something?
1105 [13:28:25] <moldy> petn-randall: replaced-url
1106 [13:28:44] <moldy> seems unrelated
1107 [13:29:48] <moldy> `xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1920x1200` works
1108 [13:29:59] <moldy> but why does it not do that automatically?
1109 [13:30:34] <moldy> replaced-url
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1137 [13:54:31] <jelly> abrotman: you lost your hat!
1138 [13:54:39] <jelly> here it is
1139 [13:54:59] <ssoollaarriixx> hi
1140 [13:55:05] <jelly> let me hang it up
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1143 [13:58:06] <abrotman> heh
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1158 [14:13:32] <ssoollaarriixx> hm, my wifi doesnt work on 9.5.0
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1161 [14:15:21] <ssoollaarriixx> where to paste the error?
1162 [14:15:49] <jelly> !paste
1163 [14:15:49] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1166 [14:17:06] <ssoollaarriixx> replaced-url
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1168 [14:17:48] <abrotman> Did you load the firmware package?
1169 [14:18:04] <ssoollaarriixx> abrotman: no
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1171 [14:18:28] <ssoollaarriixx> abrotman: if you mean during install?
1172 [14:18:32] <abrotman> ssoollaarriixx: start with the firmware-iwlwifi package
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1174 [14:19:17] <darxmurf> you need the non-free repo for it
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1176 [14:20:14] <ssoollaarriixx> ok thanks, isnt it still apt-get ?
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1180 [14:22:49] <darxmurf> yep it is
1181 [14:23:04] <darxmurf> try apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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1183 [14:23:26] <darxmurf> if not working, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
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1187 [14:25:39] <ssoollaarriixx> its weird that debian says its in flight mode just because I disable bluetooth
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1192 [14:30:12] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I got a desktop with Debian and all is working well but after sometime (some hours) I cannot see anything in the screen... When I turn my screen on it says "No Signal" but I can connect to it with SSH and the system is working without a problem. What's wrong with the No Signal thing?
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1195 [14:31:42] <abrotman> ssoollaarriixx: and your wifi isn't working
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1228 [14:50:08] <ssoollaarriixx> on wifi now thanks
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1231 [14:52:08] <ssoollaarriixx> I wish to debian my macbook air, I think the high sierre is too large
1232 [14:52:21] <ssoollaarriixx> has anyone tried this?
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1235 [14:54:06] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: Did you check the kernel logs? Did it suspend in between?
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1252 [15:00:02] <karlpinc> hexhaxtron: Check also the screensaver -- just in case.
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1316 [15:45:28] <ssoollaarriixx> how to copy iso to usb?
1317 [15:45:50] <greycat> It has to be a specially-crafted "iso" image that can also boot from a USB. Debian's installer images qualify.
1318 [15:46:12] <ssoollaarriixx> it is the mac netinst
1319 [15:46:41] <greycat> If you have a Linux system already, you can simply "dd" or "cp" it to the USB device. (Not to a partition. Not to a file system. To the whole device.)
1320 [15:47:23] <ssoollaarriixx> greycat: does the disk have to umonted?
1321 [15:47:30] <greycat> It has to NOT be mounted.
1322 [15:47:44] <greycat> If it's mounted, that'll screw everything up.
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1328 [15:53:56] <ssoollaarriixx> how would the dd go?
1329 [15:54:03] <greycat> !install guide
1330 [15:54:03] <dpkg> rumour has it, stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
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1334 [15:56:37] <themill> ssoollaarriixx: the documentation suggests using cp because that's a much simpler command
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1337 [15:58:54] <ssoollaarriixx> I see but you do net get any info on the process
1338 [15:59:06] <themill> info?
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1341 [15:59:28] <greycat> I think he wants a progress bar or something.
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1343 [15:59:39] <ssoollaarriixx> greycat: yes
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1345 [15:59:49] <ssoollaarriixx> I can use iostat?
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1349 [16:01:37] <themill> such things normally complete so quickly I don't bother with a progress bar; dd can do status=progress these days if you want
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1354 [16:02:32] <greycat> I've actually never booted an installer from a USB device. I still use CDs.
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1356 [16:03:01] <darxmurf> huh
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1358 [16:03:26] <darxmurf> netinstall on USB, always
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1362 [16:04:15] <themill> still waiting to see if this new fangled usb thing catches on?
1363 [16:04:52] <greycat> Well, I've still got most of a spindle of blank writable CDs, so there's very little incentive for me to go out and try to buy a USB thing that I can use.
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1365 [16:05:31] <greycat> Probably the first time I buy a PC and it doesn't come with a CD/DVD drive, will be when I have to switch.
1366 [16:05:33] <darxmurf> you can order it online if you don't want to go out :D
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1373 [16:08:01] <greycat> I actually do have one USB thingy here in a drawer at work. It says "512M" and "Made in China" among other things.
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1380 [16:11:47] <ssoollaarriixx> I ended up using: dd if=/home//Hentninger/debian-mac-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso | pv | dd of=/dev/sdb
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1399 [16:20:21] <SerajewelKS> ssoollaarriixx: if you're writing the whole file you don't really even need dd. pv </home//Hentninger/debian-mac-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso >/dev/sdb
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1407 [16:27:39] <themill> (first redirection not needed as an added bonus)
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1409 [16:27:55] <SerajewelKS> ah, right. though pv is smart about that.
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1412 [16:28:25] <SerajewelKS> if stdin is backed by a file it will stat() it to get a size, and then also give an ETA
1413 [16:28:40] <SerajewelKS> so "pv x" and "pv <x" are basically the same thing
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1508 [17:10:10] <deemand> Would it increase the security if I did just a minimal install with a kvm hypervisor and then run the desktop in a virtual machine?
1509 [17:10:22] <greycat> no
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1512 [17:11:16] <SerajewelKS> it would just give you a hypervisor which is protected from the VM
1513 [17:11:28] <SerajewelKS> but if you're not using the hypervisor for anything else then it doesn't really matter
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1515 [17:12:28] <greycat> All of the stuff that you're presumably trying to protect would be in the virtual machine, and would have exactly the same exposure as if it were in a real machine.
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1518 [17:13:03] <deemand> I could have a different image for the documents.
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1524 [17:15:26] <deemand> Maybe it's better to spin up a container for each app then.
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1531 [17:17:51] <petn-randall> deemand: If you're interested in such a thing, you should have a look at Qubes.
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1540 [17:22:44] <deemand> Oh, Edward Snowden likes it. I'll check it out. Thanks, petn-randall
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1544 [17:24:06] <petn-randall> deemand: 2nd hand experience from a DD says that it's quite some work to set up, so YMMV.
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1549 [17:28:41] <deemand> Oh, the nvidia drivers seem to complicate things.
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1571 [17:39:31] <dob1> hi, I am trying to setup unison to sync 2 dirs, I am at the initial setup, it gives me this: props <-?-> props / what does this mean? considering that the local dir is empty, and there is any props dir anywhere
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1575 [17:41:44] <dob1> got it :)
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1586 [17:46:35] <SerajewelKS> dob1: you might also look into syncthing, depending on your needs
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1589 [17:47:39] <SerajewelKS> there's less config, as well as auto-discovery of peer node addresses, which may or may not be desirable depending on your use-case
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1595 [17:52:52] <dob1> SerajewelKS, I take a look thanks
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1606 [17:57:04] <SerajewelKS> dob1: it's most useful when your peers don't maintain fixed addresses, e.g. a laptop that can roam between networks
1607 [17:57:23] <dob1> SerajewelKS, I know git annex too that is similar
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1610 [17:57:58] <SerajewelKS> dob1: i haven't personally used git-annex so i can't say for sure
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1612 [17:58:37] <SerajewelKS> my use case for syncthing is it allows me to sync directories between my home server, my home desktop, my laptop, and my mobile phone regardless of which network they are on
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1614 [17:59:05] <SerajewelKS> i also use it to maintain shared folders with some friends and family
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1637 [18:08:51] <jhutchins_wk> ,v syncthing
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1730 [18:56:21] <Iarfen> hi!
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1821 [19:32:56] <temp39302> Hey, how can I change the version of a package with apt? I'd like to try an earlier version? I have an issue were my X crashes due to bug 908951. Until that bug is fixed, can I try the previous Libinput10?
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1824 [19:34:37] <greycat> !snapshot
1825 [19:34:37] <dpkg> replaced-url
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1827 [19:34:56] <greycat> temp39302: ^ grab the .deb manually from snapshot and install it with dpkg -i, or with apt install ./your.deb
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1829 [19:35:09] <temp39302> and will it update me when the package is updated in apt?
1830 [19:35:12] <SerajewelKS> note that downgrading packages is not technically supported, so it may or may not work
1831 [19:35:19] <SerajewelKS> temp39302: yes unless you "hold" the package
1832 [19:35:25] <SerajewelKS> !hold
1833 [19:35:25] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
1834 [19:35:26] <greycat> temp39302: oh, and you may also want to put your version on hold
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1836 [19:35:31] <greycat> SerajewelKS ninja
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1839 [19:35:39] <diogenes_> temp39302, maybe you could try xserver-xorg-input-synapticsand it will work better?
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1843 [19:36:09] <martian67> hello, how can i determine what is starting a systemd unit file?
1844 [19:36:22] <martian67> i have it disabled, i dont want to mask it, im trying to debug something else
1845 [19:36:24] <greycat> systemd is starting it
1846 [19:36:30] <martian67> yes, thanks, very helpful
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1849 [19:36:42] <temp39302> Thanks guys, I'll look into it
1850 [19:36:57] <SerajewelKS> disabled IIRC means it won't be auto-started by itself, but it may be started if another unit depends on it
1851 [19:37:06] <martian67> yes, i want to know what is doing that
1852 [19:37:15] <martian67> list-depends shows nothing
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1875 [19:46:31] <setuid> Is there a way to pass a preseed to a debian install, that _does not_ require that the preseed be available over http to complete successfully?
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1878 [19:47:18] <setuid> iow, --initrd-inject /tmp/my.preseed fails, unless I _also_ use --extra-args='preseed/url=replaced-url
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1884 [19:48:28] <setuid> seems that fully automated preseeding, requires that the preseed be actively available over http, otherwise it prompts for each question. I can pass those questions' answers in --extra-args='...', but then I'm basically sticking the entire preseed into extra-args, one item at a time.
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1902 [19:56:08] <raidghost> Can i set 2 SSD drives to raid 1 and make both bootable with the boot flag?
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1904 [19:56:16] <raidghost> or would that just mess up the system?
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1906 [19:56:49] <setuid> They're raid 1, they're already both bootable.
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1923 [20:06:28] <Iarfen> how I can dual boot with debian when using windows 10? I've installed debian but it doesn't works
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1925 [20:06:34] <Iarfen> I can't launch it
1926 [20:08:05] <frostschutz> raidghost, sure, you want it to boot with either drive missing
1927 [20:08:13] <D|nA> did you issue the command update-grub?
1928 [20:08:13] <raidghost> yes
1929 [20:08:18] <raidghost> frostschutz: thats my plan
1930 [20:08:19] <mtn> Iarfen: do you get the grub menu?
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1932 [20:08:27] <Iarfen> mtn: no, grub is not being loaded
1933 [20:08:44] <mtn> Iarfen: then grub is most likely not installed correctly
1934 [20:08:51] <raidghost> frostschutz: So i can replace the drive and still can be missing one drive
1935 [20:08:59] <Iarfen> mtn: how I can install it?
1936 [20:09:01] <greycat> could it be a Secure Boot thing?
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1939 [20:09:14] <martian67> ah it was a /etc/network/if-up.d/ script
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1941 [20:09:18] <Iarfen> I've to disable Secure Boot using the BIOS?
1942 [20:09:27] <martian67> what is the debian safe way to disable an if-up script?
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1944 [20:09:40] <raidghost> not sure if i have to add some UEFI thingy to the boot thingy
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1946 [20:09:46] <raidghost> i selected not to force uefi
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1948 [20:10:07] <frostschutz> raidghost, so just install grub on both (or at least that was the traditional approach before uefi)
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1951 [20:11:18] <raidghost> frostschutz: had some issues on ubuntu with that kind of setup.
1952 [20:11:25] <raidghost> But it might have been just a ubuntu issue
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1956 [20:12:04] <HicksD> with lightdm if you lock your session and log in as a different account you get two xsessions, one on F7 and one on F8. you can also set the F7 session to autologin via lightdm.conf, but is there any way to get the 2nd session automatically started and logged in too ?
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1974 [20:17:32] <frostschutz> raidghost, that's when the initramfs sees a degraded raid - and decides to stop. It doesn't make any sense but I guess some users would never notice the raid failure otherwise - no idea. for raid to survive, you need monitoring, regular selftests, mail notification and whatnot
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1988 [20:22:32] <zleap> hello
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1997 [20:26:21] <zleap> is there a iso for debian with the non free drivers included?
1998 [20:26:37] <greycat> !firmware image
1999 [20:26:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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2001 [20:26:55] <zleap> thanks
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2003 [20:27:44] <raidghost> frostschutz: raid and lvm = no problem?
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2011 [20:33:52] <zleap> i am switching to debian as mint / ubuntu have made a mess of mounting file systems and arduino usb device support
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2013 [20:34:10] <zleap> well the above work on raspbian desktop
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2017 [20:34:54] <petn-randall> zleap: Do you know if it'll be different on Debian?
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2021 [20:35:30] <zleap> raspbian is based on debian
2022 [20:35:37] <zleap> so it should work
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2026 [20:36:07] <zleap> with mint my arduino just appears as a different usb device everytime
2027 [20:36:16] <zleap> where as rasbiann seems to be consistant
2028 [20:36:21] <greycat> sounds like a thing you could configure udev to do
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2032 [20:37:04] <petn-randall> zleap: Then again, Mint and Ubuntu are also based on Debian. It's not a guarantee for it to work ;)
2033 [20:37:25] <zleap> maybe they do something to make it work
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2035 [20:37:42] <zleap> i have a few netbooks here so will do a test install before i start
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2051 [20:44:54] <raidghost> for lvm to add and remove space, ext3 or ext4 ?
2052 [20:45:11] <SerajewelKS> zleap: does it need to show up as the same device every time? what's the issue you're running into?
2053 [20:45:25] <greycat> ext3 and ext4 are file system types. Those have nothing to do with LVM at all.
2054 [20:45:38] <SerajewelKS> zleap: for filesystems, you can usually target a UUID instead of a /dev node
2055 [20:45:59] <raidghost> greycat: i ment to hear that there was a filesystem that could ADD more space but not reverse
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2057 [20:46:32] <SerajewelKS> raidghost: ext2+ support online growing, i don't have experience with others to know if they also support it
2058 [20:46:37] <greycat> You're asking for a file system type that can be shrunk? Um, good luck.
2059 [20:46:50] <greycat> Growing, no problem.
2060 [20:46:52] <SerajewelKS> no linux-supported filesystem I know of supports online shrinking; the volume has to be unmounted first
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2062 [20:47:34] <SerajewelKS> if you can make the changes offline (with the volume unmounted), ext2+ support offline shrinking
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2080 [20:54:03] <jhutchins_wk> ,v syncthing
2081 [20:54:04] <judd> Package: syncthing on amd64 -- stretch: 0.14.18+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch-backports: 0.14.37+ds1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.14.49+ds1-3; sid: 0.14.50+ds1-1
2082 [20:54:09] <jhutchins_wk> .
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2084 [20:55:17] <petn-randall> IIRC ext4 support offline shrinking, and XFS does not supoort shrinking at all.
2085 [20:55:51] <zleap> with the arduino if the device name is the same each time (which it is under raspbian) it makes it much easier to write a python script to read serial
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2087 [20:56:25] <zleap> i can then use the arduino to measure temperature , send to serial (serial.print) and read from a netbook
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2089 [20:56:50] <zleap> i don't understand udev
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2094 [20:58:21] <zleap> but even the micro:but just works under raspbian
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2096 [20:58:46] <zleap> so i am hoping itjust works under debian in the same way,
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2100 [21:03:11] <raidghost> frostschutz: you said it would not be a problem to add grub to mdraid 1
2101 [21:03:16] <raidghost> The installer says something else
2102 [21:03:26] <raidghost> Count not install grub on /dev/mapper
2103 [21:03:51] <raidghost> could
2104 [21:03:59] <raidghost> could not install grub on /dev/mapper
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2106 [21:05:48] <zleap> thanks for the help i need to switch to other pc to download the iso, chat later
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2117 [21:09:35] <will_haven> The following packages will be upgraded:
2118 [21:09:35] <will_haven> dctrl-tools hostname.... wut
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2120 [21:10:07] <will_haven> any reason why sid wants to change my hostname?
2121 [21:10:20] <greycat> read the changelog
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2125 [21:13:29] <dka> In /etc/resolv.conf I have `search example.vn` on first line. Does that mean that if I have an host in my network name foobar and I have in /etc/hosts a mapping to foobar. Should I be able to access foobar.example.vn ?
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2127 [21:14:19] <jhutchins_wk> dka: TIAS
2128 [21:14:31] <dka> what is TIAS?
2129 [21:14:50] <SerajewelKS> try it and see
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2132 [21:15:58] <will_haven> nothing in the changelog regarding hostname recently
2133 [21:16:12] <greycat> The changelog of the PACKAGE that is being updated.
2134 [21:16:20] <greycat> A sid user should know how to do these things.
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2136 [21:16:49] <will_haven> bloody hell we have a live one here
2137 [21:16:59] <greycat> *plonk*
2138 [21:17:14] <dka> jhutchins_wk, seems not too.
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2142 [21:19:39] <mrslaughter1775> So I got a live usb with non-free working on my Dell Inspiron 7559 (mostly). One thing I'm having problems with is my system freezing at seemingly random times, and waiting for it to respond yeilds nothing. I have to hard restart when it happens. Any ideas?
2143 [21:19:56] <jhutchins_wk> dka: There are rules for what triggers applying the domain to a search, how many dots need to be in a hostname, etc. Check the man page.
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2148 [21:20:25] <jhutchins_wk> mrslaughter1775: Could be any number of things.
2149 [21:21:28] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, run: inxi -F | nc termbin.com 9999
2150 [21:21:38] <diogenes_> share the link here
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2161 [21:31:48] <mrslaughter1775> diogenes_, I'll attempt it now. Give me a couple minutes while I restart.
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2181 [21:42:11] <mrslaughter1775> diogenes_, Output is bash: inxi: inxi not found and bash: nc: nc not found
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2184 [21:42:41] <mrslaughter1775> Ran from debian's default Terminal found in Utilities
2185 [21:43:02] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, ok just run: inxi -F and pastebin the output
2186 [21:43:05] <diogenes_> !pastebin
2187 [21:43:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2188 [21:43:10] <mrslaughter1775> Roger
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2190 [21:43:38] <greycat> If he doesn't have nc, either he's not running Debian, or he has seriously broken his install. nc is in a package marked "important".
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2193 [21:44:25] <greycat> inxi is "extra" so is rather less likely to be present
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2195 [21:44:46] <greycat> Also I'm going with the odds that it's "mr slaughter" and not "mrs laughter".
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2197 [21:45:14] <diogenes_> greycat, lol, Sherlock Holmes :)
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2203 [21:47:41] <mrslaughter1775> diogenes_, replaced-url
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2206 [21:48:09] <greycat> spoiler alert: it says: bash: inxi: command not found
2207 [21:48:46] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, first run: sudo apt install inxi
2208 [21:48:47] <mrslaughter1775> I figured it would since I couldn't use it the first time around, or the nc that was piped to it
2209 [21:48:56] <mrslaughter1775> Roger. Brb.
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2211 [21:49:07] <greycat> Yeah, I'm not surprised by the second result. But I'm still very surprised by the missing nc result.
2212 [21:49:23] <greycat> ... what the hell is he doing.
2213 [21:49:29] <diogenes_> greycat, soon we gonna find out everything :)
2214 [21:49:33] <greycat> rebooting into windows every time he wants to chat?>
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2217 [21:50:37] * greycat scrolls back ... hmm ... this is a "live", he says, so god knows what it actually is. Or why there's no netcat.
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2219 [21:51:34] <diogenes_> any ideas on that Mr. Sherclock? i think it's maybe some sort of debian-based
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2221 [21:52:59] <greycat> we could point him to replaced-url
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2227 [21:54:57] <mrslaughter1775> diogenes_, replaced-url
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2230 [21:55:36] <diogenes_> what about that one Mr. Sherlock?
2231 [21:55:55] <greycat> mrslaughter1775: this would be significantly easier for everyone if you would chat from Debian instead of rebooting back into Windows(?) every time you want to report results to us.
2232 [21:56:08] <mrslaughter1775> How?
2233 [21:56:10] <mrslaughter1775> Wait...
2234 [21:56:15] <mrslaughter1775> I can use webchat.freenode
2235 [21:56:20] <mrslaughter1775> My apologies.
2236 [21:56:25] <greycat> mrslaughter1775: What are you actually running (it doesn't seem to be regular Debian), and why didn't you try the installation advice on replaced-url
2237 [21:56:58] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, write on a paper the following commands: 1. sudo apt update 2. sudo apt install inxi 3. inxi -F pastebin or use what greycat suggested
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2239 [21:57:08] <diogenes_> so you got a whole bunch of options
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2244 [21:58:09] <raidghost> I thought it was possible to have two /boot partitions 1 on each ssd direct on drive
2245 [21:58:12] <mrslaughter1775> greycat, I did try that wiki. Nobody ever said that I didn't. The problem is that I needed Wi-Fi out of the gate, so I used another iso that includes firmware so I can utilize Wi-Fi. I'm deployed overseas and I really don't want to make Debian my main OS on this laptop until I know for sure that it will work.
2246 [21:58:25] <raidghost> But neeh. The isntaller complains about been two /boot . it doesnt like it and i have to fix it.
2247 [21:58:39] <mrslaughter1775> That is my problem. I'm overseas without my Win10 usb to reinstall and I'm connected to garbage barracks Wi-Fi.
2248 [21:59:09] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, are you in Afghanistan or Syria?
2249 [21:59:17] <mrslaughter1775> Neither
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2252 [22:01:14] <mrslaughter1775> I'll jump back to the usb and attempt to do what was suggested. Just nervous that it will freeze up on me in the middle of performing those actions and trying to chat online (which is why I was jumping back and forth).
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2256 [22:04:28] <frostschutz> raidghost, just select /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as grub install targets. /boot is fine as raid1 - with 0.90 or 1.0 metadata (perhaps 1.2 will just work nowadays, not sure). If the installer doesn't do that, you can do a regular single /boot and then migrate it to raid1 from the running system
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2258 [22:05:02] <frostschutz> raidghost, like this replaced-url
2259 [22:05:56] <mrslaughter1775> Alright, I'm on my live usb
2260 [22:06:02] <mrslaughter1775> Running commands now
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2264 [22:08:20] <mrslaughter1775> Here is my output: replaced-url
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2266 [22:08:58] <mrslaughter1775> I apologize for my ignorance. I didn't know that I needed to update apt on a fresh install. I'm trying to learn Linux by diving into the deep end.
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2285 [22:13:12] <mrslaughter1775> diogenes_: Well surprisingly I'm not having any stalling issues, at least not yet...I think when I last tried I forgot to append 'nouveau.modeset=0' to the linux line of grub (I think its the grub menu?)
2286 [22:13:55] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, yeah then it should be fine till you get back home
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2291 [22:16:12] <mrslaughter1775> diogenes_: Thank you for your help. Now I just need to test if I can get Steam and a few other programs working. If so, I'd feel comfortable getting rid of Win10 completely and jumping head first into Stretch.
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2295 [22:17:23] <diogenes_> mrslaughter1775, you're welcome, there should be good tutorials on steam also you can ask in /j #steam channel
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2297 [22:17:54] <greycat> I'd probably keep a minimal win10 partition on it forever, just in case.
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2299 [22:18:10] <mrslaughter1775> I was inspired to hop into a Unix based OS after reading a 60 page essay entitled "In The Beginning There Was Command Line".
2300 [22:19:35] <greycat> Yeah, that's a bit outdated now (BeOS is gone) but it's still a good read.
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2302 [22:20:05] <mrslaughter1775> greycat: Dualbooting seems quite tedious but I've only quickly glanced over a few tutorials. I know it involved reinstalling Win10 on a specially formatted HDD (GTP or something?) and then installing Linux, but since I don't have my Win10 usb and my Wi-Fi is so bad out here, idk if I could do that.
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2306 [22:23:09] <Nach0z> you don't need GPT for dualbooting
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2308 [22:23:22] <Nach0z> unless you plan on having a huge HDD, huge partitions, or a crapton of partitions
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2312 [22:25:58] <greycat> I'd be slightly surprised if his pre-installed Win10 laptop isn't *already* using a gpt disklabel. But then again, Windows is full of surprises.
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2315 [22:26:52] <Nach0z> greycat: iirc GPT isn't available for home and OEM versions of windows? but I could be wrong
2316 [22:27:01] <greycat> jesus... really?
2317 [22:27:05] <Nach0z> yeah
2318 [22:27:17] <Nach0z> I mean GPT was meant to cover enterprise-level limitations in MBR
2319 [22:27:24] <Nach0z> like, max disk and partition size and count
2320 [22:27:35] <greycat> Isn't gpt also mandatory for UEFI booting?
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2323 [22:27:53] <greycat> Is windows 10 "home" still doing legacy BIOS booting>?
2324 [22:28:06] <Nach0z> what, secureboot? not a clue actually. you might be right, and to be fair the last time I dealt with any of this was on a win7 machine
2325 [22:28:21] <Nach0z> so gpt could be available for home editions of 10 now and I just haven't read about it
2326 [22:28:21] <greycat> I know almost nothing about Secure Boot.
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2328 [22:28:42] <Nach0z> anyways, the point I was trying to make was more that dualboot is trivial, and most linux installer images will have the ability to set it up by default
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2335 [22:32:24] <mrslaughter1775> Well, so far everything seems to be working just fine. Steam is 50% complete and I haven't run into any (serious) errors?
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2337 [22:33:31] <greycat> Nach0z: stuff I'm reading says GPT is supported for booting if you're using a 64-bit version of Windows, and UEFI (not Legacy) to boot. Any other combo and it won't work.
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2341 [22:35:25] <Nach0z> interesting
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2363 [22:48:57] <mrslaughter1775> You know, I expected Linux to kill me like it did 3 years ago, but Debian doesn't seem too bad so far. Then again, I was experimenting with Arch back then...
2364 [22:49:13] <greycat> :-o
2365 [22:49:34] <mrslaughter1775> I bricked my laptop at least 10 times messing with it.
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2373 [22:51:07] <petn-randall> Nach0z: Windows 10 Home works completely fine and installs on GPT.
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2375 [22:51:59] <petn-randall> greycat: GPT and UEFI are independent, they just happen to be pushed for adoption are the same time. You can have UEFI/GPT, BIOS/GPT, UEFI/MSDOS and BIOS/MDOS. :)
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2379 [22:53:49] <jhutchins_wk> .
2380 [22:53:55] <njsg> Is there any know incompatibility between Smart Boot Manager and debian install DVDs?
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2383 [22:55:14] <bites> trying to put the debian installer on a multiboot usb drive?
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2385 [22:56:28] <njsg> That is, any reason why booting a debian install DVD through Smart Boot Manager would fail?
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2389 [22:56:59] <judd> Package: rdnssd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1+b1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; buster: 1.0.3-3; sid: 1.0.3-3; stretch: 1.0.3-3
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2409 [23:07:33] <mihi> njsg, you are trying this on a machine that cannot natively boot from CD/DVD?
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2418 [23:11:09] <mihi> njsg, tried it right now, and seems that indeed SBM has trouble booting? It first shows the menu to choose which ELTORITO boot image to boot, but both fail
2419 [23:11:33] <mihi> to be honest, I never tried any "isohybrid" images with SBM so fare
2420 [23:11:39] <mihi> *so far
2421 [23:11:42] <njsg> mihi: out of curiosity, is your image menu corrupted or are the image "names" displayed normally?
2422 [23:11:55] <mihi> the names look funky, yes
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2424 [23:12:14] <njsg> OK, I get that too. So at least it shouldn't be a BIOS/hardware issue...
2425 [23:12:19] <mihi> but I cannot remember any images where the names looked correct. Probably it tries to find an ISO9660 entry for them but there is none
2426 [23:12:37] <njsg> The same happens with gparted live CD/DVDs, apparently.
2427 [23:12:57] <mihi> I assume it happens with all "isohybrid" images (at least those with EFI support)
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2432 [23:15:22] <mihi> for the record, PloP boot manager works
2433 [23:15:30] <mihi> (not libre software though)
2434 [23:15:40] <njsg> What is PloP?
2435 [23:16:13] <njsg> Well, it'd be useful if I could find something like Smart Boot Manager that could boot from a floppy and then boot el torito CDs/DVDs
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2437 [23:16:25] <mihi> replaced-url
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2440 [23:17:35] <mihi> (there is a free as in beer version of it, although not open source. But works much better than SBM in my experience, and more features too)
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2448 [23:19:44] <njsg> Does Debian have any official floppy image to bootstrap the install CD/DVD?
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2454 [23:21:45] <mrslaughter1775> njsg: I'm EXTREMELY new to Linux, but I believe I read on debian's page that they do not support any floppy images of Strech. Take that with a grain of salt, but I'm 99% sure that I read it somewhere on their website when looking for isos to use myself yesterday.
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2456 [23:21:58] <Brigo_> njsg, floppy? really?
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2459 [23:22:37] <mihi> There used to be a floppy image (2 floppies IIRC) for Debian up to Etch (but no longer) -> replaced-url
2460 [23:23:09] <Brigo> i think the debian kernel doesn't even fit in a floppy.
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2465 [23:23:53] <mihi> that is not a limitation :) there used to be 7-floppy sets for (older) Ubuntu that used a modified GRUB (legacy) to load the kernel in parts :)
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2467 [23:24:27] <mihi> but honestly, today you would usually find easier ways (network boot? PloP? Copy installer to hard disk first?)
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2469 [23:25:21] <njsg> I guess the right solution would be hacking Smart Boot Manager so that it doesn't choke on isohybrid
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2472 [23:26:02] <mihi> yeah, or remaster the installer ISO to not use isohybrid (or even UEFI)
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2482 [23:29:19] <mihi> another option might be grub2's nativedisk support. Works probably on old hardware with plain old IDE/ATAPI cdrom, but probably not on anything newer (where probably it could boot from CDROM on the other hand)
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2485 [23:29:57] <mihi> so load grub, run nativedisk and chainload loopback.cfg (oops, there is an open issue FOR YEARS that the installer ISO does not contain loopback.cfg...)
2486 [23:30:31] <mihi> not sure if latest GRUB2 fits on a floppy, though (with all modules)
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2491 [23:32:15] <SerajewelKS> my /boot/grub is ~7MB, so i'm gonna go with no
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2495 [23:33:39] <SerajewelKS> the kernel is 4MB but that's not even the big issue. my initrd is 20MB and i don't have that much special stuff.
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2510 [23:39:42] <mihi> for comparison: mini.iso in etch (replaced-url
2511 [23:40:00] <AlexPortable> What would be the best way to let a server poll another (external) server to see if services are running?
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2519 [23:41:36] <SerajewelKS> AlexPortable: "best" is subjective, but i guess it would depend on several factors
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2521 [23:41:50] <SerajewelKS> e.g. if the services expose a TCP port then you could try connecting to it
2522 [23:41:56] <AlexPortable> firewalled
2523 [23:42:38] <SerajewelKS> then you could allow the other machine to ssh to it and run some commands to interrogate the service ("systemctl status servicename" for example)
2524 [23:42:42] <AlexPortable> my best bet: script that checks if service is up, writes it to API. other server contacts api ?
2525 [23:43:01] <SerajewelKS> or you could e.g. write a custom REST service that will do the interrogation and provide the result as either JSON or just using HTTP codes
2526 [23:43:28] <SerajewelKS> GET /service/mysql --> 204 if running, 404 if not running
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2528 [23:43:47] <SerajewelKS> many different ways to do it
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2532 [23:43:59] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure any one is better than another
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2535 [23:44:08] <AlexPortable> how can this prevent random people from querying ?
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2537 [23:44:29] <SerajewelKS> you'd have to restrict access based on something. source IP, HTTP authentication, etc.
2538 [23:44:59] <SerajewelKS> HTTP basic authentication is secure if performed over HTTPS
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2555 [23:52:55] <Vanfanel> Hi! I am following the instructions here to try and build an aarch64 rootfs on an x86_64 host: replaced-url
2556 [23:53:43] <Vanfanel> However, when I try to do the '/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage' step, it seems I am missing the debootstrap/debootstrap executable inside the hosted aarch64 system
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2558 [23:54:14] <Vanfanel> I am trying to run debootstrap/debootstrap while I am chrooted into my aarch64 filesystem
2559 [23:54:20] <Vanfanel> whay am I missing??
2560 [23:54:23] <Vanfanel> *what
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