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2 [00:00:32] <somiaj> so you want a windows vm. There are some methods give a vm full access to your gpu so you can do such a thing. Such methods are not easily supported in debian. Even sid may be a bit dated on some of the libaries needed for this. But I'm unsure, its been a year or two since I last looked into the details.
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4 [00:00:54] <jmcnaught> sudo -i
5 [00:00:57] <somiaj> but I use wow just fine with wine, there are various patches you can add to wine to improve profrmance
6 [00:00:59] <jmcnaught> oops sorry
7 [00:01:00] <somiaj> jmcnaught: password:
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10 [00:01:15] <somiaj> jmcnaught: never mind my bad joke
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12 [00:01:28] <jmcnaught> somiaj: heh i have too many keyboards :/
13 [00:01:49] <HicksD> tmroland: two gpus, one can be integrated. Use virt-manager and set it up for pci passthrough. Caveats are your hardware needs to support iommu groups and your gpu uefi vbios
14 [00:02:30] <HicksD> but you can get native windows performance in a vm (the perf hit is negligable even for games)
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19 [00:03:53] <HicksD> it's "easy" to get going when you know how, but there's quite a few quirks depending on hardware that may put a spanner in the works.
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24 [00:05:52] <HicksD> tmroland: replaced-url
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93 [00:35:20] <tmroland> hi
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103 [00:38:39] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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106 [00:39:42] <tobiasBora> For some reason, mbsync failed to sync with one of the mail servers of my university. I get an error "error:141A318A:SSL routines:tls_process_ske_dhe:dh key too small"
107 [00:39:57] <tobiasBora> (while thunderbird and co still connect well)
108 [00:40:28] <tobiasBora> I saw on the internet that it was possible to use RSA instead of DHE
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110 [00:40:49] <tobiasBora> and I'd be happy to use RSA if it solves the problem
111 [00:40:59] <tobiasBora> However, I can't find how to configure it using mbsync
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113 [00:41:04] <tobiasBora> any idea?
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117 [00:42:35] <tmroland> sorry, im not into this kind of stuff
118 [00:42:38] <tmroland> new to linux
119 [00:42:40] <tmroland> good luck
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136 [00:55:24] <HicksD> trying to rebuild the 4.17 kernel version from source in stretch (using backported version) and the build gives the following error after some compilation time replaced-url
137 [00:55:42] <HicksD> any idea what may be causing that?
138 [00:56:25] <HicksD> following replaced-url
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233 [02:06:06] <HicksD> If anyone runs into the above, looks like it was CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS being set in the config from boot.
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262 [02:27:22] <psudo-greek-elec> Hello all, I have observed something unusual and was wondering if anybody hear has seen something similar, googling turned up nothing.
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264 [02:29:20] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it, instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
265 [02:29:32] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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279 [02:44:57] <psudo-greek-elec> I say to thee again
280 [02:45:02] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it, instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
281 [02:45:06] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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348 [03:33:31] <xavier_> hello, i'm looking for an old game (created eg 15-20 years ago), in 2D, you scroll around and you can fetch weapons (no sound), named maybe xkill. you could transform into other monsters (alien), and your goal was to survive. any clues ?
349 [03:33:59] <xavier_> you could take caffeine and it will make you faster
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393 [04:18:08] <mason> It's all Greek to me.
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536 [05:46:37] <awal1> at which percentage of ram usage the system appeals swap?
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543 [05:47:08] <lisbeths> how do I download the deb file from this package: replaced-url
544 [05:48:54] <awal1> i still have 2gb of ram free; why swap is used yet?
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546 [05:49:15] <awal1> a few mb but used
547 [05:49:35] <awal1> !ops bbaren1
548 [05:49:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: awal1 complains about a problem (see above)
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553 [05:52:42] <lisbeths> I figured it out
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604 [06:41:51] <COOurb> how to display full route table, with metrics?
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612 [06:49:26] <jhutchins_wk> COOurb: ip route show, but I'm not sure about metrics.
613 [06:49:49] <COOurb> well, it doesn't show metrics
614 [06:49:54] <jhutchins_wk> COOurb: route
615 [06:50:24] <COOurb> yep, but they all 0
616 [06:50:33] <COOurb> I'm just wanna know how how routing works with VPN
617 [06:50:42] <COOurb> I have two entries with 0.0.0.0
618 [06:51:21] <COOurb> in Windows VPN route has lesser metrics, so I think that's why it 'executes' firts
619 [06:51:30] <COOurb> first*
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630 [07:03:53] <iwkse> hi, any idea when bitcoind 0.16.3 is going to be available on debian repos? replaced-url
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639 [07:13:57] <jhutchins_wk> ,v bitcoind
640 [07:13:58] <judd> Package: bitcoind on amd64 -- buster: 0.16.2~dfsg-1+b1; sid: 0.16.2~dfsg-1+b1
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646 [07:17:27] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it, instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
647 [07:17:29] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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656 [07:23:10] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it, instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
657 [07:23:12] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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679 [07:45:01] <dka> I am using chrome, how can I prevent chrome from having the wrong dns in cache? I am using chrome incognito mode and it can go on a website, while the other is doing wrong dns resolution.
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697 [08:06:53] <mdk> dka: have you checked chrome://net-internals/#dns ?
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700 [08:09:04] <dka> mdk yes.
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703 [08:10:29] <mdk> dka: didn't helped? I no longer use chrome but as far as I remember I had to close the tabs opened on the wrong address before flushing, else the tab repopulated the cache with the wrong resolution (are you speaking of a wrong resolution, not a wrong resolver?)
704 [08:13:04] <dka> it appear that I have not added the dns to public dns zone. And that I use a manual dns in /etc/hosts . Chrome is ignoring it.
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707 [08:14:41] <mdk> dka: to check the zone you can use dig, like `dig +short example.com @the.resolver`, the resolver being given by `dig +short NS example.com` if you don't know it.
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711 [08:16:18] <dka> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
712 [08:17:17] <dka> replaced-url
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719 [08:21:12] <dka> i think dig always bypasses the /etc/hosts file, as it's a tool to query name servers
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725 [08:24:52] <luna> replaced-url
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735 [08:32:11] <mdk> dka: yes dig bypass the /etc/hosts file it was to check f you added correctly the hostname to the zone
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738 [08:32:36] <dka> how can I force chrome/ff to resolve with /etc/hosts?
739 [08:33:23] <mdk> dka: as far as I know, /etc/hosts should work too, a coleague of mine used it like two days ago
740 [08:33:53] <mdk> no special configuration, but I may miss something that changed recently
741 [08:33:54] <jhutchins_wk> dka: Check /etc/nsswitch.conf, see if hosts lists files as the first resolver.
742 [08:34:13] <jhutchins_wk> dka: You might have a DNS cache program installed.
743 [08:34:23] <dka> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname
744 [08:34:47] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, so that says search the hosts file first
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747 [08:35:57] <dka> yeah
748 [08:35:59] <dka> that's not doing that
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759 [08:41:06] <`ani`> hello. does anybody in here know about Taler?
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776 [08:51:52] <Ulrar> Hey, I have a problem with jessie, replaced-url
777 [08:52:19] <Ulrar> On one of our VM, I assume the IP bloc might have been banned ? It's OVH so I wouldn't be surprised
778 [08:52:32] <Ulrar> But since there aren't any officials mirrors for security ..
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782 [08:54:40] <SPF> Ulrar: works fine here when using apt
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784 [08:56:34] <SPF> though, it's very slow
785 [08:56:43] <Ulrar> SPF: Yes, as I said it's only from one bloc
786 [08:56:57] <Ulrar> That bloc has been problematic from the start, I assume it was banned
787 [08:57:09] <Ulrar> maybe the previous owner used it for some bad things, I don't know
788 [08:57:39] <kerunaru> Same here
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790 [08:58:20] <kerunaru> Does anyone know what is happening? ^^U
791 [08:58:35] <at0m> Ulrar: ping on port 80?
792 [08:59:43] <kerunaru> No. It respond to ping but you can't browse to security.debian.org
793 [09:00:32] <kerunaru> apt-get says "Failed to fetch" for me...
794 [09:00:48] <at0m> using browser for s.d.o redirects me to replaced-url
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796 [09:00:58] <SPF> I just tried again and now it's fast -> Fetched 14.4 MB in 4s (3,023 kB/s)
797 [09:01:23] <at0m> works fine here
798 [09:01:38] <at0m> - the apt update, i mean
799 [09:01:42] <Ulrar> security.debian doesn't resolve to the same IP everywhere, btw
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801 [09:01:52] <Ulrar> so we won't get the same results : we're not querying the same servers
802 [09:02:05] <kerunaru> I'm not being redirected :S
803 [09:02:35] <Ulrar> No redirection, it's just a bit of DNS trickery
804 [09:02:40] <Ulrar> It's explained on the site
805 [09:02:49] <Ulrar> So I guess you're lucky, your local server is fine
806 [09:02:53] <Ulrar> ours isn't :(
807 [09:03:08] <Ulrar> But if I'm not the only one great, guess I'll wait and see if it gets fixed then
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809 [09:03:31] <SPF> dns lookup should give you multiple IP's to choose from, no?
810 [09:03:43] <kerunaru> I think now is working
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817 [09:09:00] <`ani`> I'm looking for people who have used Taler.
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836 [09:20:35] <Srdeg> Whats the simple way to have my debian9 do the updates/upgrades automatically ?
837 [09:21:01] <`ani`> are there channels specifically for server software and economy?
838 [09:21:06] <Ulrar> Srdeg: unatteded-upgrades
839 [09:21:42] <Ulrar> configure it to send you an e-mail when something goes wrong, then forget about it
840 [09:22:05] <Srdeg> Ulrar: thx i'll look into that
841 [09:22:50] <COOurb> haha, I get how OpenVPN creates routes with no metric
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843 [09:23:05] <COOurb> it just adds 2 routes with /1 mask
844 [09:23:07] <COOurb> for 0
845 [09:23:22] <COOurb> for 0.0.0.0 and 128.0.0.0
846 [09:23:27] <`ani`> I need to know about Taler. the #taler channel is completely dead, me trying to get a response for several weeks now.
847 [09:23:33] <mpo> Srdeg: There's cron-apt: ln -s /usr/sbin/cron-apt /etc/cron.daily/cron-apt
848 [09:23:51] <COOurb> `ani`: sorry, dunno about taler
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850 [09:24:18] <COOurb> Srdeg: crontab -e
851 [09:24:20] <mpo> Srdeg: that's if you want to have daily updates.
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855 [09:25:04] <Ulrar> `ani`: don't even know what that is
856 [09:25:33] <`ani`> it's a software system for transactional reports.
857 [09:25:41] <`ani`> economically focused.
858 [09:25:58] <`ani`> I'm trying to install it.
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860 [09:26:09] <`ani`> replaced-url
861 [09:26:22] <kerunaru> "GNU Taler is an electronic payment system"
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863 [09:26:31] <`ani`> yep.
864 [09:26:37] <`ani`> it's a GNU project apparently.
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866 [09:27:12] <kerunaru> It sounds like the libre implementation of Paypal to me
867 [09:27:14] <kerunaru> lol
868 [09:27:25] <`ani`> you can use it for whatever transfer.
869 [09:27:34] <kerunaru> Interesting
870 [09:27:36] <`ani`> it's not locked unto a specific transfer platform.
871 [09:27:45] <`ani`> I was going to use it for Bitcoin.
872 [09:27:56] <`ani`> I fail to install it though.
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875 [09:29:32] <SwedeMike> replaced-url
876 [09:29:38] <Ulrar> `ani`: If it's been packaged for debian, maybe email the maintainer
877 [09:29:50] <Ulrar> or see if they have a mailing list
878 [09:29:57] <`ani`> Ulrar: don't know, I just look for anyone that has used it.
879 [09:30:02] <`ani`> I'm actually not on Debian. :)
880 [09:30:13] <Ulrar> Maybe post on serverfault, worse case
881 [09:30:38] <Ulrar> But if there's noone on IRC and no mailing list, it's probably just dead
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883 [09:30:56] <Ulrar> maybe they moved to slack, that seem to happen for some reason
884 [09:32:15] <`ani`> Ulrar: maybe somebody knows how I could record a bitcoin transaction and just use that in court if necessary?
885 [09:32:20] <`ani`> are there other alternatives?
886 [09:32:52] <`ani`> would be nice to be able to match fingerprints of transactions.
887 [09:32:58] <kopper> SwedeMike: Like the package description says, it's for security updates
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891 [09:34:37] <Ulrar> `ani`: Sorry, I have no idea
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893 [09:35:23] <Ulrar> You should ask somewhere dedicated to that though, there's probably bitcoin communities, channels or mailing list somewhere
894 [09:35:35] <Ulrar> They'll know more about that than #debian :)
895 [09:35:46] <`ani`> I'm banned in most bitcoin-related channels.
896 [09:35:55] <`ani`> I'll see.
897 [09:36:34] <kopper> `ani`: Out of curiosity, why?
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899 [09:36:53] <`ani`> kopper: I need it to fingerprint transactions and prevent money laundering and such.
900 [09:37:17] <kopper> I was referring to the fact that you've been banned
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903 [09:37:21] <`ani`> lol.
904 [09:37:23] <`ani`> ask them.
905 [09:37:27] <kopper> But maybe that explains it
906 [09:37:28] <`ani`> I don't really care about it.
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909 [09:37:45] <kerunaru> Are you saying the mos bitcoin-related channels are formed by delinquents? O_O
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911 [09:38:01] <kerunaru> /:s/mos/most
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914 [09:38:48] <`ani`> they are probably formed by people with their own invented book of law.
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918 [09:39:14] <`ani`> what's a delinquent?
919 [09:39:41] <Ulrar> "(typically of a young person) tending to commit crime, particularly minor crime."
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921 [09:40:05] <`ani`> probably not.
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923 [09:40:18] <`ani`> I don't think many people on IRC commit heavy crimes on their spare time.
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925 [09:41:04] <Ulrar> Well deliquent means small stuff
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927 [09:41:13] <myoxo> Ulrar: I disagree with that definition. When referring to young delinquents, it's typically written "juvenile delinquents", non? In my opinion, small time crooks can have any age
928 [09:41:19] <`ani`> who cares.
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930 [09:41:31] <myoxo> I do
931 [09:41:33] <`ani`> if you mean downloading eeeeeleeeegaeeeeel music and videos.
932 [09:41:39] <`ani`> I don't give anything.
933 [09:41:40] <Ulrar> myoxo: We're clearly both French, that might have a thing to do with the way we hear that word
934 [09:41:49] <Ulrar> but that was the google define: definition that I pasted here
935 [09:42:17] <n4dir> there is a thing like illegal music?
936 [09:42:26] <`ani`> maybe they burn baguettes. that's a felony in france right? disrespectful.
937 [09:43:30] <myoxo> Ulrar: Je ne suis pas francais, je suis norvegien. Mais je parle la langue sivilisée. Au moins, un peu.
938 [09:43:40] <Ulrar> depends on the amount of cheese you put on it
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941 [09:43:49] <Ulrar> myoxo: Ah !
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946 [09:44:20] <kerunaru> Maybe I used the wrong term...
947 [09:44:41] <Ulrar> kerunaru: You didn't mean to spark a debate about it ? That's unfortunate :D
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949 [09:45:03] <kerunaru> In spanish a person who breaks the law is a "delincuente" so I thought it can be translate as "delinquent" ^^U
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953 [09:46:01] <Ulrar> Well the word does exist, but I don't think it's often used in english. It it used a lot in French though
954 [09:46:22] <Ulrar> our politics love to call teenagers that
955 [09:46:22] <kerunaru> I see
956 [09:47:03] <kerunaru> And what is the general term for that definition
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958 [09:47:18] <kerunaru> I mean, "A person who breaks the law"?
959 [09:48:12] <myoxo> a criminal?
960 [09:48:12] <Ulrar> I don't know, probably something like criminal
961 [09:48:18] <myoxo> crook?
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964 [09:48:59] <kerunaru> ...
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966 [09:49:20] <kerunaru> What the...
967 [09:49:22] <myoxo> I see
968 [09:50:04] <kerunaru> Am I the only one seeing random ASCII chars?
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970 [09:50:28] <Ulrar> No, it was unreadable
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972 [09:51:14] <jolt> Somebody is running OTR on their chat?
973 [09:51:14] <myoxo> most of it was actual chars, but not conveying any meaning.
974 [09:51:31] <Ulrar> jolt: That could be it, indeed
975 [09:51:41] <myoxo> What is OTR?
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978 [09:53:31] <jolt> myoxo: Off-The-Record encryption, common for end-2-end encrypted chats
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980 [09:53:36] <jolt> especially over IRC
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984 [09:54:02] <myoxo> jolt: I see, thanks
985 [09:54:29] <Srdeg> I see inside a file that is commented with // instead of #. is that normal ?
986 [09:55:05] <jolt> Srdeg: Depends on the language
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988 [09:55:45] <Srdeg> jolt: its a file... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
989 [09:56:20] <Srdeg> so i am right to assume that to uncomment stuff there i need to delete the //
990 [09:56:27] <jolt> Srdeg: // and # are the most common comment styles. So yes, remove // to uncomment
991 [09:56:29] <Srdeg> ?
992 [09:56:42] <Srdeg> jolt: great thx
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1038 [10:18:45] <Srdeg> How do I setup UnattendedUpgrades to send me emails ?
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1040 [10:21:13] <kopper> Srdeg: replaced-url
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1044 [10:23:13] <Srdeg> kopper: yes but there doesnt explain how to setup the email part
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1046 [10:24:13] <Srdeg> kopper: i have installed bsd-mailx. but i cant find a guide as how to set uo the email and get it to work
1047 [10:25:12] <kopper> Apt part of the setup is explained there adeqately, if you read it.
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1049 [10:25:39] <kopper> I have no idea about bsd-mailx, I use exim4
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1056 [10:28:19] <Ulrar> We just install postfix everywhere
1057 [10:28:21] <Ulrar> it just works
1058 [10:28:34] <Ulrar> Srdeg: So, a lot of options, clearly
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1077 [10:39:34] <Ticho_> someone did a dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/irc ? :)
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1082 [10:42:48] <Srdeg> I try to send a test email using bsd-mailx and it just hangs, no output
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1088 [10:44:40] <colo-work> Srdeg, how do you invoke it?
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1096 [10:47:57] <Srdeg> colo-work: /usr/bin/mailx -s "testing" "tommasd@yahoo.es"
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1099 [10:48:20] <colo-work> Srdeg, it expects your mail body on stdin now
1100 [10:48:30] <colo-work> type something, and hit Ctrl+D
1101 [10:48:38] <colo-work> that should send the mail on its way
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1107 [10:50:03] <Srdeg> colo-work: it still hangs
1108 [10:50:27] <colo-work> does echo "hi there" | /usr/bin/mailx -s "testing" "tommasd@yahoo.es"
1109 [10:50:29] <colo-work> also hang?
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1112 [10:51:41] <Srdeg> colo-work: it didnt, i am yet to receive the message i my inbox
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1114 [10:52:02] <colo-work> does it still "hang", that is my question. NOTHING about the intended recipient side, yet.
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1116 [10:52:13] <JustASlacker> anybody having trouble updating openjdk-8-jre/jdk because it conflicts with ca-certificates-java ?
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1119 [10:52:27] <petn-randall> Srdeg: Did you accidentally hit ctrl+s? That freezes the terminal and you need to let it run again with ctrl+q.
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1123 [10:52:56] <Srdeg> colo-work: i answered that i didnt hang, that one went through
1124 [10:53:18] <colo-work> then you're supposed to look into your MTA's log now
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1126 [10:53:24] <colo-work> and figure out if it could deliver
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1131 [10:54:16] <Srdeg> colo-work: MTA's log ?
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1139 [10:56:05] <hos7ein> a
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1141 [10:56:13] <Srdeg> colo-work: how do i look into MTA's log ?
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1143 [10:56:52] <colo-work> it's probably going to end up in /var/log/mail.log. also, you should consult a generic howto that concerns itself with basic operation of a GNU/Linux system, and mail server software in particular.
1144 [10:58:02] <Srdeg> colo-work: /var/log/mail.log is all blank
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1149 [11:00:06] <jolt> Srdeg: depends on which MTA you use. Exim is default, and it uses /var/log/exim/mainlog
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1151 [11:00:52] <Srdeg> jolt: bsd-mailx
1152 [11:01:16] <jolt> Srdeg: thats a mail sending client, not a Mail Transfer Agent
1153 [11:01:42] <Srdeg> jolt: how do i know which MTA do i have ?
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1156 [11:02:39] <jolt> Srdeg: I just said Exim is the default
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1158 [11:02:46] <jolt> Srdeg: dpkg -l|grep -i exim
1159 [11:02:55] <jolt> see if that is installed
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1162 [11:04:17] <Srdeg> jolt: yes its installed, however /var/log/exim/mainlog is empty all blank
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1164 [11:04:48] <jolt> Srdeg: Well, then it's probably not configured. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config as root
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1167 [11:06:20] <Srdeg> jolt: replaced-url
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1170 [11:07:24] <jolt> Srdeg: Well, it depends. If you gonna have your own local mailservern, then the first, but I suspect you just want to forward emails to some other email address?
1171 [11:07:47] <jolt> Srdeg: If the latter, choose "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail"
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1176 [11:07:58] <Srdeg> jolt: i want the easy way to have emails sent to my inbox when upgrading fails
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1179 [11:09:04] <jolt> Srdeg: In that case, exim4 is probably overkill
1180 [11:09:40] <jolt> Srdeg: apt install nullmailer, it only sends email out
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1182 [11:09:53] <jolt> Srdeg: and then you can remove exim completely
1183 [11:10:24] <jolt> or if you still want exim, go throug this insane amounts of steps: replaced-url
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1187 [11:13:08] <Srdeg> jolt: done, i have just installed nullmailer.
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1189 [11:13:54] <jolt> then just configure that and move on with your life. I think it logs to /var/log/mail.{log|err}
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1226 [11:29:42] <pax> Hi guys. I´m looking for the command "partprobe" but in debian 9.x it doesn´t exist. Is there a command similar?
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1228 [11:30:40] <apollo13> apt-file search "partprobe" is your friend
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1231 [11:32:36] <BenNZ> pax: partprobe is in parted
1232 [11:33:52] <pax> apollo13: thx and sry.....I have to install apt-file :)
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1238 [11:35:46] <pax> BenNZ: perfect sry it is simple. :( I solved. :) thx
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1252 [11:40:21] <nmg> Hi, I'm trying to access the git repository for the package "check" but the repository in the debian/control Vcs-Git field, anonscm.debian.org, is no longer available. Any idea where I can find it? replaced-url
1253 [11:40:27] <conjunctivitis> anyone here who can help me with a systemback installation issue? i can run fine from a live usb key but after installation i get a blank screen after post (no grub menu or anything)
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1255 [11:40:43] <conjunctivitis> i have tried several times to reinstall grub manually and reinstall the system
1256 [11:40:57] <conjunctivitis> i am trying to install avlinux
1257 [11:41:17] <n4dir> did you edit fstab?
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1259 [11:41:25] <conjunctivitis> not manually
1260 [11:41:41] <conjunctivitis> i set up some options in the systemback installer for various partitions
1261 [11:42:00] <conjunctivitis> is on one partition, /swap is on another, /home is on a separate hdd
1262 [11:42:12] <conjunctivitis> *root is on one partition
1263 [11:42:28] <n4dir> if you don't even get grub, then that shouldn't be the primarily problem. my fault. (make sure it is correct anyway, once at it)
1264 [11:43:07] <n4dir> systembackup is a distribution?
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1266 [11:43:08] <conjunctivitis> yes i can't understand what's wrong. is it possible it's a hardware problem? i was getting persistent fs corruptions so i swapped out my old hdd for a brand new ssd
1267 [11:43:39] <conjunctivitis> no, systemback is a kind of backup and restore app to create live images and allow system restoration
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1269 [11:43:53] <conjunctivitis> not focused on data so much as distro freezing i think
1270 [11:44:22] <n4dir> lol.
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1273 [11:46:02] <conjunctivitis> n4dir: like if you want to make your own restorable system image
1274 [11:46:06] <n4dir> conjunctivitis: you want to create a live.iso as a backup-solution, including an installer ?
1275 [11:46:23] <conjunctivitis> n4dir: no, i use a niche-market audio-focus distro based on debian
1276 [11:46:47] <conjunctivitis> the guy who maintains it uses systemback to create the .iso image and for system installation
1277 [11:47:24] <n4dir> you might want to have a look at the very unofficial refracta-tools. fsmithred is the "developper". He is a friendly and helpful guy. - If you are happy with systemback or don't want to go that unofficial: just ignore
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1280 [11:47:41] <conjunctivitis> i started getting hdd corruption last week and my system was on a really old hdd
1281 [11:47:44] <n4dir> got a link for systembackup? sounds interesting.
1282 [11:48:07] <conjunctivitis> in the meantime there's a new version of my distro available so i bought a new ssd and have been trying to install but i can't get to grub
1283 [11:48:42] <conjunctivitis> replaced-url
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1287 [11:50:35] <n4dir> the site says "development and support ended" ? Anyway, try to get in contact with fsmithred (either at debianuserforums.org or in the #devuan irc channel). He knows the subject in and out (compared with me :-) ). good luck.
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1290 [11:52:46] <conjunctivitis> n4dir: yes i will, thanks
1291 [11:53:13] <n4dir> ask again here too, perhaps. This is not the most active time of #debian channel (still night in the US ... )
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1299 [11:56:18] <conjunctivitis> ok thanks
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1301 [11:56:31] <jcdutton> Hi. Is there any reason that stretch-proposed is full of updates, but stretch-updates is almost empty?
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1308 [11:58:04] <jcdutton> What i am looking for is any security updates to stretch.
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1329 [12:11:22] <babilen_> dpkg: tell jcdutton about point release
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1331 [12:11:48] <babilen_> jcdutton: They'll be part of the next point release
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1384 [12:45:56] <dka> I have a directory owned by root by group developer
1385 [12:46:02] <dka> I am in the developers group
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1387 [12:46:10] <dka> why cant I extract my tar ? Permissions denied
1388 [12:46:16] <dka> drwxr-xr-x 4 root developers 4096 Sep 26 17:42 .
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1400 [12:50:23] <n4dir> shooting in the dark it might be that the root directory has permissions which give the permission denied message? just an idea, i hardly ever run in that problem
1401 [12:50:30] <n4dir> dka: ^^
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1408 [12:51:39] <jolt> dka: only root can do that, You need "w" to write as developers
1409 [12:51:54] <jolt> dka: so set chmod g+w on it
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1423 [12:57:03] <Haohmaru> dafuq
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1433 [13:03:42] <blackflow> someone's probing for a (new) irc client vuln?
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1441 [13:08:56] <jolt> Yeah, it's the third nick with random blabber in a couple of hours
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1466 [13:26:54] <jelly> dka: the group only has read and execute permissions on that dir
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1470 [13:28:35] <jelly> dka: if you want members of group developers to be able to create new files and directories there, you'll want to chmod g+w, and more idiomatically chmod g+ws the directory
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1488 [13:40:00] <iwkse> ,v bitcoind
1489 [13:40:02] <judd> Package: bitcoind on amd64 -- buster: 0.16.2~dfsg-1+b1; sid: 0.16.2~dfsg-1+b1
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1552 [14:23:08] <mrslaughter1775> Hello, I am attempting to install Debian on my Dell Inspiron 7559. I've found a wiki dedicated exclusively for said laptop, but it instructs to 'Add the following line to the linux entry when booting:
1553 [14:23:08] <mrslaughter1775> modprobe.blacklist=nouveau' How do I get to said linux entry?
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1556 [14:24:37] <mrslaughter1775> I'm booting from live usb for now, because I have too much to lose on Windows. First I'd like to mess with it from live boot and figure out exactly how to configure the laptop to work (such as wifi and whatnot) so I'm not stuck with an essentially bricked laptop (I'm deployed overseas rn so it would be awhile until I could reinstall Win10))
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1571 [14:33:11] <Haohmaru> mrslaughter1775 i think that's in the "default grub config"
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1574 [14:35:39] <Haohmaru> am i the only one who disables mouse acceleration?
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1579 [14:36:10] <mrslaughter1775> Haohmaru, In my iso archive, I have located "grub.cfg". This is what you mean, I presume?
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1585 [14:37:18] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: when you boot and see the grub menu, then you can edit it, and add that line to the line that starts with linux
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1589 [14:38:54] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: Press "e" to edit, scroll down to the line that starts with linux and just append that after "quiet" or whatever your line ends with
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1595 [14:41:17] <Zgrokl> hello is there a way to know the macadress from the debian installer ?
1596 [14:41:18] <jolt> mrslaughter: to blacklist it permanenty you can try echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
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1598 [14:41:47] <jolt> Zgrokl: you mean while you run the installer?
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1601 [14:42:01] <mrslaughter1775> I apologize. Barracks Wi-Fi is trash.
1602 [14:42:17] <mrslaughter1775> I missed any answers that may has been posted.
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1605 [14:42:39] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: at boot when you see the blue grub menu, Press "e" to edit, scroll down to the line that starts with linux and just append that after "quiet" or whatever your line ends with
1606 [14:42:40] <Zgrokl> jolt, yep
1607 [14:42:50] <jolt> mrslaughter: to blacklist it permanenty you can try echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
1608 [14:43:16] <jolt> Zgrokl: you can execute a shell in the installer, then run "ip l" to see all interfaces and their mac addresses
1609 [14:43:35] <mrslaughter1775> jolt, When booting from usb? It goes straight to a console screen though?
1610 [14:44:13] <mrslaughter1775> Hold on, let me verify. I'll be back in a few minutes; Going to try to boot from usb again and see if that grub screen pops up.
1611 [14:44:16] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: I don't know how it's setup, but you should see a grub menu somewhere during boot
1612 [14:44:35] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: or just add that blacklist file and see if it works
1613 [14:44:40] <mrslaughter1775> jolt, :thumbsup: I''ll give it a shot
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1621 [14:46:11] <Zgrokl> jolt, how, is there a shortcut ?
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1624 [14:46:38] <jolt> Zgrokl: I think you can just shift console with alt+f<n>
1625 [14:47:15] <RoyK> or just alt+left/right
1626 [14:47:16] <jolt> Zgrokl: Otherwise when it's started, press cancel and you'll get to a menu where all the install steps are
1627 [14:47:33] <jolt> Zgrokl: and there will be a shell something. If you don't find it you can reboot into rescue mode as well.
1628 [14:47:42] <Zgrokl> ok thx
1629 [14:47:51] <jolt> (select it on the install thingie menu)
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1682 [15:15:11] <mrslaughter> jolt, Good news. I had to switch to UEFI mode to be able to press e[dit] on the boot screen. After doing so Debian launched correctly with no hangs! :)
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1684 [15:15:41] <mrslaughter> Now I just need to figure out how to enable my wireless card.
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1688 [15:16:39] <DammitJim> Do you guys know if there are any known problems with regards to setting up a Debian server as a file server with samba shares and joined to Windows Active Directory Domain?
1689 [15:16:49] <mrslaughter> Also, is it possible to make a live usb installation persistent? If not I might either purchase a new laptop for dev work or get a actual desktop so I can still game with Windows.
1690 [15:17:06] <DammitJim> I have 2 servers I built where the ACLs seem to be all out of whack and my users can't create directories or read them
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1712 [15:24:30] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, about the wireless card, the problem use to be the lack of firmware.
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1715 [15:25:02] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, why do you need to make a live usb persistent? can't you install debian?
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1718 [15:25:47] <mrslaughter1775> Brigo, Of course I can. The problem is that I'm deployed overseas and won't be home for a few more weeks. If I mess up and can't get the wireless to work, it will be a real pain to do anything.
1719 [15:26:45] <mrslaughter1775> I'll still have my phone and be able to connect to freenode from there for help, but that's pretty inconvenient. I don't want to have no access to my Steam library for a few weeks.
1720 [15:27:09] <rafalcpp> it seems lib boost was recently updated, where is a changelog? from eg replaced-url
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1722 [15:27:27] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, these images should have the required firmware: replaced-url
1723 [15:27:28] <mrslaughter1775> That's why I'm trying to mess around with setting up the live usb first, before a permanent install.
1724 [15:27:29] <rafalcpp> nm, Im blind
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1728 [15:30:16] <mrslaughter1775> Thank you Brigo. I'll try to rewrite a usb with that image.
1729 [15:30:20] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, i can't see a secure way of installind debian or anything overseas.
1730 [15:30:36] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, ok, good luck
1731 [15:30:41] <mrslaughter1775> What do you mean?
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1734 [15:30:51] <mrslaughter1775> Why would it not be secure overseas, Brigo ?
1735 [15:31:09] <mrslaughter1775> I have access to wifi from a military base.
1736 [15:31:21] <mrslaughter1775> Which I assume to be pretty secure, though I could be wrong.
1737 [15:31:33] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, so you and the computer are together.
1738 [15:31:39] <mrslaughter1775> No reports of any issues though, and I've been here for 6 months.
1739 [15:31:44] <mrslaughter1775> Correct, Brigo
1740 [15:31:45] <Brigo> then i missread you :)
1741 [15:31:56] <mrslaughter1775> Ah, okay. :P
1742 [15:32:36] <Brigo> you are installing debian and windows dual boot
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1744 [15:33:21] <deadrom> hi
1745 [15:33:23] <mrslaughter1775> Well I'd like to, but I originally planned on just making it my main OS
1746 [15:33:33] <mrslaughter1775> But I kinda do want Windows for Steam
1747 [15:33:38] <deadrom> can I ask a hdmi attached display for its serial number somehow?
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1749 [15:33:55] <RoyK> mrslaughter1775: you get steam for linux as well, but not with as much games
1750 [15:34:18] <mrslaughter1775> RoyK, I understand. Maybe I should see which games are compatible first.
1751 [15:34:32] <mrslaughter1775> May be able to get away with making Debian my main OS.
1752 [15:35:20] <jolt> deadrom: maybe lspci,dmidecode or xrandr --prop
1753 [15:35:20] <mrslaughter1775> I'm guessing this would be the correct file, Brigo? /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64
1754 [15:35:41] <jolt> deadrom: But I'm just guessing. I don't have any terminals connected to my servers to verify.
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1756 [15:36:09] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, if it is the live what you want, yes.
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1758 [15:36:26] <mrslaughter1775> Brigo, Thank you for confirming.
1759 [15:36:43] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, np
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1769 [15:42:06] <jolt> deadrom: or maybe it says in the X log if you run some GUI
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1771 [15:43:16] <noodlepie> 🦋
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1775 [15:44:45] <jolt> deadrom: or looking around in /sys/class/drm/
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1789 [15:49:29] <deadrom> jolt: ah, all the wrong tools and no repos to reach out. i think I resort to "phone guy with remote and read it off the screen menu for me" ...
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1791 [15:50:45] <jolt> deadrom: yeah, good question though
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1797 [15:53:40] <mmfood> I'm having trouble with my wireless card on a macbook pro 5.5. I had it up and running for a while but then it just stopped working. I installed and modprobed the b43 module, but it isn't loaded on reboot for one thing, and even if I load it manually the card isn't listed in "ip link show"
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1808 [15:59:00] <jolt> mmfood: add the module name to /etc/modules, then it's loaded at boot. Maybe it needs some non-free drivers to work correctly?
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1811 [15:59:43] <jolt> mmfood: Maybe this is relevant? replaced-url
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1814 [16:02:41] <mmfood> jolt: I have the bcm4322 card so b43 should be it
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1826 [16:05:58] <mmfood> jolt: dmesg shows that the broadcom driver is loaded now
1827 [16:06:20] <mmfood> still only the ethernet card in $ip link show
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1837 [16:08:10] <Destiny625_> hi everyone
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1839 [16:08:48] <RoyK> ho
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1842 [16:09:37] <Destiny625_> somebody can help me to install drivers?
1843 [16:09:41] <Destiny625_> manually*
1844 [16:10:50] <petn-randall> Destiny625_: It helps if you explain you issue in detail, that'll save a lot of time back and forth.
1845 [16:10:53] <petn-randall> !ask
1846 [16:10:53] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1850 [16:13:19] <Destiny625_> i have trouble while installing my driver on kali-linux based on debian, i have the driver compressed in .tar.gz so i uncompress it and change directory to the path contains files of the driver, so i use the command make and the makefile is not reconize i don't know why so can i have some help please?
1851 [16:13:30] <petn-randall> !kali
1852 [16:13:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1854 [16:13:51] <petn-randall> Destiny625_: As you're running Kali, you'll have to ask in their support channel. You can find the info about it above. ^^^
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1857 [16:15:02] <Destiny625_> i hasked in their channel and they sent me to deb comunity this is why i am here
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1859 [16:16:03] <petn-randall> Destiny625_: That is just wrong from them. We can't help you, sorry. Kali is using package versions that don't even exist in Debian.
1860 [16:16:45] <Destiny625_> arf okay, then sorry and thanks for your time, see ya
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1974 [17:21:49] <jelly> petn-randall: #kali-linux channel by policy shunts every issue not coming from their own specific compoents to upstream, and Debian is upstream for most stuff. This policy is incompatible with our own channel policy. (Trying to point that out over there can get you permabanned, tho ;-)
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1979 [17:23:16] <petn-randall> jelly: If they won't to put it on their users, it's their problem. *We* care about our users.
1980 [17:23:17] <jelly> bouncing users to and fro is unfortunate and bad form for everyone involved
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1984 [17:24:55] <jelly> so when it turns out a user is running Kali, I try to ask them to at least reproduce the issue in Debian and then they can get help here
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1987 [17:25:49] <petn-randall> Well, Kali is currently *some* snapshot from testing at some point in time. So they'd have to do quite some work to reproduce it, yes.
1988 [17:25:50] <jelly> conveniently for us, it's an offer seldom taken but... eh
1989 [17:26:35] <jelly> if I were a newbie and psuhed around that way I wouldn't think anything good about any of the parties involved
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2018 [17:36:12] <Parulidus> Hello! I joined this channel because of a related question: Where should I report about issues with software which I suffer in a Debian Stretch (stable) installation? Should I report them or am I requested to first dist-upgrade to "testing" because "stable" is kind of frozen for non-critical bug corrections?
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2022 [17:39:47] <RoyK> Parulidus: better ask here first
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2024 [17:40:11] <RoyK> Parulidus: then report a bug - upgrading to testing isn't recommended on a system you want to stay stable
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2026 [17:40:56] <RoyK> Parulidus: what sort of issues are you seeing?
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2029 [17:41:19] <RoyK> sometimes it's not even a bug, just a configuration issue somewhere
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2040 [17:44:56] <Parulidus> The KDE application Kmail, also integrated in Kontact, does not write any text into the list of emails being in a folder, when freshly installed and not at least once having touched the Theme configuration. I found this also reported on some Ubunut related forum, but by now did not find a bug report, so nobody might care about this by now.
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2045 [17:46:24] <Parulidus> Once I enter this Themes menu and in the Configure... Option I set some parameter forth and back, the text appears and teh problem does not appear again anymore.
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2047 [17:47:30] <jhutchins_wk> Parulidus: First search for existing bug reports. Add any comments to them. If none is found, create a new report. If the problem is with Stable, report it on Stable/Stretch.
2048 [17:47:41] <Parulidus> Another bug, I always have to click twice, and sometimes even three times on the button "Send Now". This button never reacts on the first strike.
2049 [17:47:43] <jhutchins_wk> !reportbug
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2051 [17:47:43] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
2052 [17:48:09] <jhutchins_wk> Parulidus: Be aware that since 4.x KDE is expected to be broken.
2053 [17:48:30] <RoyK> Parulidus: sorry, I have no idea about GUI issues - hopefully soeone else knows, or as jhutchins_wk says, search bugs and report if you don't find any. If the same thing happens on uubuntu, it's quite possible this is common between them
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2055 [17:48:45] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: does stable come with packages "expeced to be broken"?
2056 [17:49:22] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: if so - well - then stable is broken…
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2059 [17:50:53] <jmosco> anyone have success/failure getting 2 external monitors on a thinkpad t480s with debian-testing? I cant get it to work with 2 displays docked and undocked
2060 [17:50:57] <jmosco> so frustrating
2061 [17:51:11] <RoyK> !testing
2062 [17:51:11] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
2063 [17:51:29] <jmosco> I tried it on latest stable as well
2064 [17:51:31] <jmosco> same problem
2065 [17:51:45] <jmosco> figured I would try newer packages to see if the bug was in gnome
2066 [17:51:45] <Parulidus> Yes, I heard about the mess of KDE 4. Actually running very old hardware I started with SparkyLinux, with the Liqourix Kernel and LXQt desktop, after Debian and Gnome did not perform sufficiently well. Then I used the "kwin" manager inside the LXQt and it worked very well, then I tested Debian with a minimum plasma desktop and it is fast like the LXQt. Now I checked how KMail performs in comparison to Thunderbird and found quite
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2073 [17:54:15] <Parulidus> By the way, this is Plasma 5. And I am impressed. It is no more slow as in the last decade. Plasma 5 in Debian stable runs smooth like LXQt with Liqourix kernel. I was surprised myself. Times are changing. KDE is a nice contender again, in my opinion.
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2076 [17:55:34] <jmosco> I tried a live KDE image to test it out...
2077 [17:55:36] <jmosco> same
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2090 [18:02:49] <maxzor> Hello, how would you passthrough your screen output between two debian systems connected via usb c otg? Anything handier than xpra?
2091 [18:03:10] <Parulidus> Another question: I tried in a virtualbox to dist-upgrade from stable to testing, last week. KDE Kontact in testing did not start error free anymore. Should I already by now report those by dist-upgrade produced bugs, or is it to early and this should only be done when freezing of the Debian "testing" branch started?
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2100 [18:05:28] <jelly> Parulidus: ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, and verify a) there are no bugs filed already, b) no Qt or KDE related migrations going on
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2114 [18:12:44] <Parulidus> Thanks, I will also inform myself there, before submitting bug reports to the wrong place.
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2176 [18:38:14] <siwica> What is the easiest way to set up a private debian repository?
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2207 [18:49:30] <johnjay> siwica: you need to setup a web server then add the files that apt can understand i think
2208 [18:49:37] <johnjay> you might try replaced-url
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2305 [19:35:46] <askhl> Hi. I have debian 9.5 according to /etc/debian_version. Some packages give me conflicts. E.g. I would like python3.6 or 3.7, but it won't won't because it depends on libc6 >=2.25 but I have 2.24-11deb9u1.
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2309 [19:37:16] <askhl> So is that an error in the packaging system or do I need to enable something or do a larger upgrade or ..?
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2312 [19:37:46] <B4ND1T> Helo
2313 [19:38:03] <johnjay> askhl: did you upgrade from stretch?
2314 [19:38:06] <johnjay> er jessie
2315 [19:38:09] <johnjay> or install fresh?
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2317 [19:39:18] <johnjay> by the way i've compiled python3 before, it's not too difficult so you could try that
2318 [19:39:43] <askhl> johnjay: It was an upgrade
2319 [19:40:03] <johnjay> i've heard aptitutde has better algorithms for package management so you could try that instead of apt-get
2320 [19:40:03] <nkuttler> ,v python3.7
2321 [19:40:04] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.0-7
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2326 [19:40:18] <johnjay> ,v python3.6
2327 [19:40:19] <judd> Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.6-1; sid: 3.6.6-4
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2330 [19:40:55] <nkuttler> askhl: you must have mixed relesaes
2331 [19:40:57] <askhl> johnjay: Interesting. aptitude does suggest several ways of circumventing the problems.
2332 [19:41:16] <RoyK> askhl: what does lsb_release -a have to say?
2333 [19:41:43] <RoyK> better use a vm or docker or something to avoid mixing releases
2334 [19:41:48] <nkuttler> askhl: and apt-cache policy
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2339 [19:43:13] <johnjay> in apt-cache policy what does 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now mean?
2340 [19:43:24] <johnjay> the other 4 entries say 500 so that's higher priority?
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2344 [19:44:17] <askhl> johnjay: aptitude does have some suggestions for solving the problem
2345 [19:44:19] <askhl> will revise
2346 [19:44:27] <askhl> RoyK, nkuttler: replaced-url
2347 [19:45:08] <nkuttler> askhl: try aptitude remove ~o
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2349 [19:45:35] <ChunkzZ> how can I update debian's kernel to the latest?
2350 [19:45:46] <nkuttler> ChunkzZ: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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2352 [19:45:55] <nkuttler> ,kernels
2353 [19:45:56] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc4-686-pae (4.19~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.8-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1);
2354 [19:45:57] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2355 [19:46:27] <askhl> Hmm! I actually had debian 'testing' registered, but missed it because it was in the apt subdirectory, not the main sources.list. The newer packages come from testing. But I don't otherwise use testing. That would explain the problem
2356 [19:46:33] <askhl> Sorry for the dumb question then
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2358 [19:46:35] <ChunkzZ> nkuttler, I'm on: Linux debian 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1
2359 [19:46:46] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: do you need a newer kernel?
2360 [19:46:51] <askhl> Now the question is whether I should upgrade the whole system to testing.
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2363 [19:47:03] <nkuttler> askhl: what do you mean, you missed.. apt-cache policy would output it
2364 [19:47:11] <nkuttler> askhl: testing is awful
2365 [19:47:14] <RoyK> askhl: why do you need a newer versjon of python?
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2367 [19:47:21] <RoyK> nkuttler: not as bad as Sid ;)
2368 [19:47:40] <nkuttler> ChunkzZ: well, newer version in backports, if you really need it
2369 [19:47:49] <nkuttler> RoyK: it is worse than sid
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2371 [19:48:03] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: why do you want a newer kernel?
2372 [19:48:14] <ChunkzZ> I was curious RoyK
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2377 [19:48:18] <askhl> The package that I really wanted was nwchem, which is affected by the same issue
2378 [19:48:24] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: then use a vm
2379 [19:48:36] <ChunkzZ> I have Debian 9 installed though...
2380 [19:48:42] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport nwchem
2381 [19:48:43] <judd> Backporting package nwchem in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libscalapack-mpi-dev (>= 2).
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2389 [19:50:52] <askhl> nkuttler: Actually I had already removed the extra sources when running apt-cache policy
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2391 [19:51:26] <askhl> Thanks to all of you for the help.
2392 [19:51:27] <nkuttler> askhl: aptitude remove ~o will then remove the testing packages.. if that's possible your system might get back into a useful state
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2394 [19:51:51] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: read the changelog to check if there really is something you need in the newer kernels - I guess you don't
2395 [19:52:43] <askhl> nkuttler: I think it's in a useful state now. None of the packages that refused to install are available anymore
2396 [19:52:57] <askhl> For better or worse :)
2397 [19:52:58] <RoyK> then reinstall
2398 [19:53:02] <nkuttler> !frankendebian
2399 [19:53:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
2400 [19:53:07] <RoyK> !sns
2401 [19:53:08] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2417 [20:01:40] <johnjay> what's the difference between the debian reference and the debian handbook?
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2420 [20:01:52] <B4ND1T> Helo,i need some help pls. I just installed a debian based os on my lenovo laptop . Everything working fine but with my touchpad i cant copy+paste . Touchpad us working but the right button works as same as left button . With keybord im also not able to copy+paste. Ctrc+ctrlv or ctrlinsert+shiftinsert doesnt work . Any solution pls?
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2427 [20:04:02] <askhl> B4ND1T: on my laptop, middleclick is upper right corner of the touchpad. Might that be the case?
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2429 [20:05:45] <B4ND1T> askhl no
2430 [20:06:10] <askhl> B4ND1T: OK :(
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2456 [20:18:15] <jhutchins_wk> B4ND1T: That might be more of a clipboard issue than a trackpad issue.
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2459 [20:18:43] <jhutchins_wk> B4ND1T: What apps are you trying to cut-and-paste between? What happens if you do it completely by keyboard?
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2463 [20:21:35] <B4ND1T> If i want to copy something from mozilla or terminal or anything
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2465 [20:22:06] <B4ND1T> Nothing happen
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2467 [20:22:26] <jhutchins_wk> What release, what desktop?
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2472 [20:24:10] <B4ND1T> Gnome 3.30.0 ubuntu
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2474 [20:24:21] <B4ND1T> Kaki sorry
2475 [20:24:24] <B4ND1T> Kali
2476 [20:24:29] <B4ND1T> :D
2477 [20:25:28] <BCMM> !kali
2478 [20:25:28] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2479 [20:25:57] <BCMM> (and ubuntu isn't debian either)
2480 [20:26:42] <B4ND1T> Based on debian?
2481 [20:26:52] <at0m> !based on debian
2482 [20:26:53] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2485 [20:28:01] <B4ND1T> Ahh ok i undestand sorry and thank you
2486 [20:28:13] <at0m> good luck!
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2493 [20:30:31] <B4ND1T> I already asked this in #kali-linux and they said i have to ask it here sry (
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2497 [20:32:23] <at0m> or maybe ##linux, that's more generic
2498 [20:32:27] <johnjay> classic buck passing
2499 [20:32:40] <at0m> johnjay: ping!
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2501 [20:33:04] <BCMM> B4ND1T: if you want to do stuff beyond pentesting, i strongly recommend getting a distro that isn't kali
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2503 [20:33:24] <BCMM> i assume it's at least somewhat good at it's actual job, but apart from that all reports seem to be that it doesn't really work properly
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2507 [20:33:53] <BCMM> (i mean no disrespect to the kali developers on that, since they're not *trying* to build a general-purpose distro)
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2509 [20:34:40] <at0m> right, crash&burn distro, rather
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2512 [20:34:56] <B4ND1T> I tried parrot too and i wanted to install blackarch but without success
2513 [20:35:14] <B4ND1T> Thanks for your answer0
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2516 [20:35:30] <at0m> B4ND1T: i wouldnt advise actually installing these pentest OS's, unless to a USB stick for occasional use
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2518 [20:36:02] <at0m> B4ND1T: and far most packages they come with are available for the "reguler" distro they're based on, too
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2524 [20:37:43] <B4ND1T> Also it would be better to learn with debian for example?
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2531 [20:39:01] <johnjay> B4ND1T: debian and fedora are the main distros i know, i'm using debian now purely by chance
2532 [20:39:03] <at0m> B4ND1T: at least you'll get a distro which has decent support and is heavily developed
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2534 [20:39:51] <RoyK> fedora is about as safe as running debian testing
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2537 [20:40:01] <RoyK> I mean - fedora is basically redhat testing
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2539 [20:40:39] <jhutchins_wk> To be fair ubuntu has reassonable support and wide exposure.
2540 [20:41:11] <side^effects> on a debian system with various backported versions packages, can anyone recommend a method of reinstalling the regular versions of all packages? hit a dependency wall with a package, it's not essential but wonder if i can revert all the backports to regular
2541 [20:41:34] <side^effects> the backports were all installed via the regular `stretch-backports`
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2545 [20:42:04] <jhutchins_wk> I'm surprised to see Manjaro at the top of the distrowatch list. I thought they'd sunk that ship.
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2548 [20:42:42] <jhutchins_wk> !partial downgrade
2549 [20:42:42] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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2551 [20:43:03] <B4ND1T> thank you very much
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2554 [20:44:01] <side^effects> jhutchins_wk: thanks
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2558 [20:45:01] <side^effects> this could take a while ... lol
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2560 [20:45:41] <side^effects> all backported packages have the expression `bpo` right?
2561 [20:46:09] <johnjay> nixOS has very nice atomic package upgrades
2562 [20:46:17] <johnjay> i wonder if that could be adapted to other distros
2563 [20:46:28] <jhutchins_wk> side^effects: They should.
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2566 [20:47:42] <side^effects> ty
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2654 [21:40:48] <Akuw> i need to connect to mariadb from language c program, i got fatal error: mysql.h: i installed dev package but still get message
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2657 [21:42:21] <jelly> Akuw: what's the full error message at build time? Start with the first one.
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2659 [21:42:59] <jelly> Akuw: which package did you install, which debian version, and how exactly are you building your code
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2662 [21:44:21] <jelly> Akuw: looking at "apt-cache search libmysqlclient dev" output, I'd probably first install default-libmysqlclient-dev in Debian 9
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2664 [21:45:02] <dob1> hi, using the -j LOG --log-level 6 option in iptables where I have to look for the logs? in journalctl -f ?
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2666 [21:45:36] <jelly> wherever logs from the kernel go
2667 [21:46:11] <jelly> before journald that would have been /var/log/kern.log
2668 [21:46:23] <dob1> jelly, and now?
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2671 [21:46:56] <jelly> no idea, if I knew I'd probably have said right away ;-)
2672 [21:47:19] <dob1> thanks anyway
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2692 [21:56:47] <dob1> why it has become more complicated insted of more simple? last time I was trying to rename an interface of an usb wifi dongle and it was a nightmare (thanks to predictable names, very nice to have an interface named wlax0432523bc). Now with the logs and journald...
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2706 [22:03:07] <Djomobil> Hi all, i've a problem with my VPS, when my server start it's blocked on black screen with this message : Booting from hard disk. Someone have an idea ?
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2710 [22:05:23] <at0m> dob1: maybe it was simpler before. but for sure, there's a whole lot new that comes with systemd that, me included, can't possibly have many years experience with. lots new to learn with systemd. regarding the choice of the OS, who am I to decide on such policies, I can only trust the management ;) made the right decision in the long term
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2713 [22:05:54] <n4dir> or change the os
2714 [22:06:15] <at0m> for that? nah
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2717 [22:07:30] <dob1> atomi, not to critic anyone or the community but imho the documentation is not complete, it needs more topics. Maybe because the are a lot of new things as you said and ppl start askings (and answering)
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2721 [22:09:09] <at0m> dob1: true, but to write these docs, you need some critical mass of people who understand the subject they're writing on
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2723 [22:09:32] <factor> Im trying to compile Linux headers package. but get error about REPORTING-BUGS where is this file suppose to be so I can make a dummy file to keep compiling make-kpkg
2724 [22:09:34] <at0m> that'll take time like for all of us
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2726 [22:10:01] <at0m> manuals, wikis,.. dont write themselves
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2729 [22:10:42] <factor> ahh found it in 4.4
2730 [22:10:58] <factor> seems to be missing nowdays in the kernel cauisng problems for debian kernel compile
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2732 [22:11:03] <dob1> at0m, it takes time, I know
2733 [22:11:20] <Djomobil> Someone have an idea for me please ?
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2738 [22:12:41] <at0m> Djomobil: that's on the bare metal? or past the hyper visor, booting a VPS? (didnt know VPS had screens)
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2742 [22:14:32] <Djomobil> at0m: VPS, is a virtual private server
2743 [22:15:01] <Djomobil> but when it's boot, lock at booting form hard disk.
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2745 [22:15:14] <Djomobil> i'm on rescue mode, but don't see anything from logs
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2749 [22:17:37] <at0m> Djomobil: we're on a different page here. where do you see that message? on some datacenter control panel, or on the physical machine, or ?
2750 [22:17:57] <Djomobil> physical machine when i open VNC
2751 [22:18:39] <at0m> you VNC to a VPS which fails to boot? it must be booted when you VNC, right
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2754 [22:18:51] <at0m> can you ssh to it?
2755 [22:19:11] <Djomobil> yes i'm on mode rescue
2756 [22:19:28] <Djomobil> so i can search in logs
2757 [22:19:34] <Djomobil> but don't find anything
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2760 [22:21:20] <Djomobil> at0m: can i pm u ?
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2762 [22:21:48] <at0m> Djomobil: sure, but that's not going to solve your issue
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2836 [23:00:55] <kruug> Is there a way to convince an (amd64) package to run on (armhf)?
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2839 [23:02:13] <johnjay> use qemu-system-x86_64?
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2842 [23:03:32] <kruug> That would be fun. The program I'm trying to install runs QEMU to emulate an arm system.
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2849 [23:04:48] <RoyK> kruug: or just get the source and build the package for whatever arch you have
2850 [23:04:59] <RoyK> kruug: Use the source, Luke…
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2855 [23:06:15] <RoyK> kruug: what sort of program is this, btw?
2856 [23:06:19] <kruug> replaced-url
2857 [23:07:05] <kruug> I want to run Audible on an RPi using Raspbian. Since Audible doesn't have a Linux program, I thought I would find a way to run the Android version on top of Linux.
2858 [23:08:08] <at0m> kruug: apt show anbox
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2862 [23:08:48] <kruug> at0m: tried it. Doesn't work.
2863 [23:09:03] <at0m> did you ask in #raspbian?
2864 [23:09:06] <kruug> at0m: anbox won't even start properly on the Pi.
2865 [23:09:13] <kruug> I did not. Wasn't aware of the different channel
2866 [23:11:02] <at0m> and if they have an .apk, you'll probably find an arm package instead of the amd64
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2869 [23:11:43] <kruug> Audible has an apk, shashlik does not, nor does it have an arm package.
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2873 [23:13:01] <valerius> !country .gl
2874 [23:13:01] <dpkg> Country codes are at replaced-url
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2916 [23:39:34] <format_c> Hi folks, I'm trying to make my experiences of a IPv6-only Internet connectivity. For that, I've just commeted out the iface ... inet dhcp command and left the iface ... inet6 auto alone.
2917 [23:40:14] <format_c> Unfortunately my /etc/resolv.conf doesn't get updated even though, my v6 router sends this option in the ND/RA message.
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2919 [23:40:46] <format_c> Is there a sysctl flag I've to set to get the resolv.conf updated by the kernel?
2920 [23:41:12] <format_c> or whatever would be responsible when the DNS server is signaled via the RA..
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2927 [23:46:00] <jhutchins_wk> !ipv6
2928 [23:46:00] <dpkg> Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. replaced-url
2929 [23:46:14] <jhutchins_wk> There's a lot that isn't implemented yet in ipv6.
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2936 [23:49:08] <format_c> The first URL replaced-url
2937 [23:49:26] <format_c> sorry the second URL.
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2943 [23:51:36] <format_c> Let me jump over to the ipv6 debian channel. Wasn't aware this is existing....
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2947 [23:52:32] <format_c> Haha. in #debian-ipv6 I can answer my questions myself ...
2948 [23:52:50] <format_c> I think I'm going to file a bug
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