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• 14[00:09:09] <at0m> sintax: rescue s on netinstall, would surprise me if it werent on dvd
• 15[00:09:14] <at0m> *is on
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• 26[00:14:57] <sintax> thanks let me check the other iso, i was using the live one
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• 40[00:27:39] <sintax> wow it's definitely a pain to get grub to reinstall from the graphical rescue menu
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• 60[00:53:44] <Henry151> howdy folks. I'm running debian on my thinkpad p51. I've got my HDMI output working for video with an xrandr command, but I'd like to figure out how to also route audio through that HDMI port, if it's possible. Any tips on how I might go about that?
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• 68[01:05:55] <mentor> Henry151: Pulseaudio usually handles HDMI, but you may have to turn, in pulseaudio, the hardware/card configuration to on, or dual analogue and HDMI or whatever
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• 84[01:25:26] <asciiascetic> hey all, just curious: A debian live system seems to detect and run my wireless device but the installer cannot find it. Is there anyway to load the module that the live system uses during installation?
• 85[01:26:34] <asciiascetic> nm, i'm a doofus
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• 109[01:35:14] <sintax> i'm incredibly confused as to why going into the graphical rescue menu proceeds to install the OS, and when i select install grub, it wants to repartition the disks, is this supposed to function like this or am i doing something wrong?
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• 129[01:45:12] <drwiii> how do i get around the clickwrap license on my new mouse
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• 132[01:46:06] <BCMM> drwiii: ... on a mouse? how?
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• 138[01:50:15] <drwiii> it has a limited warranty, and does not specifically list the GNU operating system as being compatible
• 139[01:52:38] <drwiii> i'm thinking of returning it for the $4 refund
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• 145[01:56:24] <sZbcE8qNfG> has anyone dealing with big data seen bitrot?
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• 147[01:57:12] <drwiii> is that the new dot com startup for rot13
• 148[01:57:36] <sZbcE8qNfG> no, bitrot is when the hard drive magically flips a bit and corrupts a file silently
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• 152[01:58:23] <drwiii> is that why they put accelerometers in the new computers?
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• 156[01:59:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> yes, that's exactly why
• 157[02:00:21] <drwiii> speaking of corrupting a file silently, is linus still coding while he's taking time off?
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• 162[02:02:31] <usney2> debian is the best distro eva!
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• 168[02:03:26] <sZbcE8qNfG> linus tech talks?
• 169[02:04:05] <drwiii> no the other guy, with the blank kit
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• 171[02:04:20] <sZbcE8qNfG> richard stallman??
• 172[02:05:19] <drwiii> richard had a blank kit, have you hurd?
• 173[02:05:59] <sZbcE8qNfG> replaced-url
• 174[02:06:23] <michael2> hi, I have installed debian minimal install + Xserver, but I don't have sound yet. how do I install sound on a minimal install?
• 175[02:07:15] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'm not 100% sure but i think apt-get alsa-utils --without-recommends?
• 176[02:08:15] <michael2> azizLIGHT: thanks, I'll try it
• 177[02:08:36] <azizLIGHT> No problem
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• 186[02:11:22] <drwiii> how can i compress this in a "free as in freedom" codec? replaced-url
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• 190[02:14:16] <drwiii> i need a one liner shell command, i'm used to the return key and i don't want to risk pressing enter again if something non-free happens.
• 191[02:16:24] <sZbcE8qNfG> apt-get install microsoft-windows-10
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• 194[02:16:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> don't forget to add non-free and $150 to /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 196[02:18:45] <drwiii> well that brings me to a more legit question, i'm using ubuntu on this laptop, is there a way to shift it to debian with apt, or is a reinstall recommended?
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• 201[02:23:07] <drwiii> i know that debsums -ac will give me a list of any dpkg's files that have changed
• 202[02:24:21] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'd reinstall
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• 204[02:25:24] <at0m> drwiii: there are some who dared changing repo's and go from there, but good luck finding any support or sensible answers if you run into problems with it
• 205[02:26:19] <at0m> drwiii: you might be able to migrate, say, db's from /var/lib, and some of /etc (though i would manually review) and /home
• 206[02:27:33] <at0m> drwiii: you can probably also use dpkg --get-selections on original then --set-selections on target machine
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• 208[02:29:03] <at0m> but i would review changes for the target in aptitude, solve conflicts there and manually check recommends, suggests etc.
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• 213[02:30:32] <drwiii> thank you, i've been trying to grasp how to call dpkg. i'm used to aptitude ever since i got back into linux (i used redhat and rpm a long time ago)
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• 218[02:33:15] <drwiii> that's a much better way than dpkg -l, which i was trying to parse with the shell
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• 220[02:38:00] <at0m> drwiii: yea you can dpkg --get-selections > original.txt then dpkg --set-selections < original.txt. if you then launch aptitude, you can manually resolve conflicts and what not
• 221[02:38:21] <drwiii> the library dependencies are going to be installed anyway, any package name starting with libsomething could be excluded from the initial installation run
• 222[02:38:22] <at0m> and when all is resolved, execute the installation
• 223[02:38:34] <at0m> yup
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• 226[02:40:46] <drwiii> then probably install any development libraries from the old install after all the programs and apps are running proper, since those wouldn't necessarily be tied to packages
• 227[02:41:17] <drwiii> ok, i'm glad i have something to try now.
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• 288[03:38:44] <wr> debian 10 will be release probably when?
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• 290[03:39:05] <sZbcE8qNfG> tonight at 12pm
• 291[03:39:16] <sZbcE8qNfG> 12am*
• 292[03:39:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> wait in line please
• 293[03:39:33] <sZbcE8qNfG> all downloads are queued in first come first served manner
• 294[03:39:40] <sZbcE8qNfG> 1 per customer
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• 296[03:40:16] <sZbcE8qNfG> you can torrent it probably faster....debian.version.10.trojan.iso
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• 302[03:42:22] <ball> Hmm... I only downloaded Debian 9.5.0 today!
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• 309[03:44:14] <drwiii> does anyone know how long it takes FSF to ship the trisquel membership cards? i've been waiting for two of them over the past year to arrive.
• 310[03:44:41] <sZbcE8qNfG> trisquel looks outdated in terms of fixes
• 311[03:44:55] <sZbcE8qNfG> the previously promoted one was seriously outdated before it was dumped
• 312[03:45:14] <drwiii> i was more interested in the membership card hardware
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• 317[03:46:24] <drwiii> they didn't know whether the membership cards were for i386 or x86-64 when i called
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• 319[03:47:13] <ball> drwiii: VAX ;-)
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• 322[03:47:52] <drwiii> i have a portable VAX already, isn't that what they run on those new bank cards with the chip inside?
• 323[03:48:07] <ball> drwiii: Oh! I do hope so!
• 324[03:48:31] <ball> Ah no, it's a PDP-8.
• 325[03:48:40] <drwiii> i don't know. what i do know is that bank ATMs run unfree software for whatever reason :(
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• 328[03:48:58] <BlAd373> hi everyone
• 329[03:49:06] <ball> Mornin'
• 330[03:49:30] <simbalion> Can anyone tell me why mpg321 is displaying this error when executed from a cron job? pulseaudio[19669]: [alsa-sink-ALC285 Analog] alsa-sink.c: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy
• 331[03:49:40] <BlAd373> some suggestion to install debian on lenovo legion y720 with 2 graphic card
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• 333[03:50:02] <ball> BlAd373: Never heard of 'em.
• 334[03:50:17] <BlAd373> all time i try to install debian 9.5 with usb bootable
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• 336[03:50:36] <BlAd373> i used win32 and rufus
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• 338[03:50:51] <BlAd373> it block with black scree
• 339[03:51:07] <BlAd373> sorry my bad english
• 340[03:51:28] <BlAd373> it not recognize graphic card
• 341[03:51:46] <BlAd373> i try all distro debian but all same issue
• 342[03:52:26] <BlAd373> some procedure to install Debian without use graphics
• 343[03:52:57] <BlAd373> (ubuntu 18.04 and backbox install perfect)
• 344[03:53:09] <BlAd373> but i want put debian again
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• 347[03:55:40] <ball> I started a Debian installation today. Didn't quite have time to finish it. I was quite impressed with the installer though.
• 348[03:55:49] <ball> It seems both friendly and useful.
• 349[03:56:04] <sZbcE8qNfG> i've installed 4 distros...always keep coming back to debian
• 350[03:56:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> let's hope they continue the same standards into the next decade and not some bullshit like ubuntu
• 351[03:56:26] <BlAd373> replaced-url
• 352[03:56:44] <ball> sZbcE8qNfG: My daughter has had Linux computers but this one is for me to experiment with.
• 353[03:56:49] <ball> ...to learn a bit about it.
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• 356[03:57:49] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok,i hope you didnt install gnome 3
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• 358[03:58:55] <ball> sZbcE8qNfG: I chose the Xfce .ido
• 359[03:58:57] <ball> .iso*
• 360[03:59:08] <ball> ...since I've already used that elsewhere.
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• 362[03:59:40] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
• 363[04:00:23] <ball> I even had to find a mouse!
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• 365[04:01:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> yeah gnoe are the days of microsoft
• 366[04:02:29] <ball> ?
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• 368[04:04:29] <BlAd373> guy no body had my same issue?
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• 371[04:04:48] <ball> BlAd373: Sadly I can't afford a laptop.
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• 373[04:04:54] <ball> (I'm guessing that's a laptop)
• 374[04:05:06] <BlAd373> yes
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• 377[04:05:35] <BlAd373> it's laptop
• 378[04:05:39] <drwiii> Douglas Engelbart was seen playing Wii Sports with a keyboard
• 379[04:05:43] <BlAd373> gaming computer
• 380[04:06:06] <BlAd373> it's powerfull with hashcat
• 381[04:06:28] * ball wonders what a hashcat is.
• 382[04:06:50] <BlAd373> but now lenovo change my motherboard and i am in trouble
• 383[04:07:35] <BlAd373> ball, hashcat are one program for cracking hash
• 384[04:07:59] * ball immediately thinks of hash browns.
• 385[04:08:25] <BlAd373> I use a lot for wifi cracking
• 386[04:08:30] <BlAd373> my client
• 387[04:09:04] <ChmEarl> BlAd373, use nomodeset on installer cmdline
• 388[04:10:01] <BlAd373> tryed when i tab nothing uppen
• 389[04:10:13] <drwiii> does anyone use a trackball anymore? they seem to be better thought out than a mouse.
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• 391[04:10:21] <ball> drwiii: I have one somewhere
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• 393[04:10:25] <BlAd373> go in black screen
• 394[04:10:27] <ball> drwiii: Not sure where it went.
• 395[04:10:50] <ball> This is my second one. The first had a serial connector on it.
• 396[04:10:56] <ball> Worked a treat on my Atari ST.
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• 398[04:11:29] <BlAd373> i try again
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• 400[04:12:14] <drwiii> i'm using a thinkpad and i'm thinking about an office with a desk at this point
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• 403[04:15:08] <drwiii> i used a kensington expert mouse a long time ago, but I think it was serial. this laptop only has USB, and dongles are too much to manage.
• 404[04:15:39] <ball> I used to have the Mouse Systems PC mouse, with a shiny mouse mat.
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• 406[04:16:31] <drwiii> but wow, you should try one of those things if you can. you could spin the trackball up to the point that it would have physical inertia for the pointer, it's amazing.
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• 409[04:17:47] <ball> I'm too tired to think now. I should probably back away from the computer.
• 410[04:17:52] <ball> Goodnight!
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• 444[04:57:03] <lovepopsickle> is debian completely open source yet?
• 445[04:57:18] <petn-randall> lovepopsickle: What wasn't?
• 446[04:57:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> no it isn't
• 447[04:57:35] <sZbcE8qNfG> until it removes non-free, it isn't
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• 449[04:57:41] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: What makes it not open-source?
• 450[04:57:45] <spikeyball> how is this CoC movement going to impact debian?
• 451[04:57:48] <sZbcE8qNfG> including non-free
• 452[04:58:00] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: You're aware that non-free isn't an official part of Debian, right?
• 453[04:58:01] <lovepopsickle> so i heard they were trying how is that coming along?
• 454[04:58:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> it's not open-source.....it's open-source*
• 455[04:58:16] <sZbcE8qNfG> debian official mirros include access to it
• 456[04:58:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> there is no warning or anything
• 457[04:58:52] <sZbcE8qNfG> to the new user, it is "tricking" them
• 458[04:59:13] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: You have to explicitely enable it. How is that tricking them?
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• 460[04:59:17] <lovepopsickle> so how is debian better than ubuntu if they use non-free?
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• 462[04:59:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> have you read the debian wikis?
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• 464[04:59:28] <sZbcE8qNfG> or the debian howtos?
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• 466[04:59:40] <lovepopsickle> who you asking?
• 467[04:59:44] <sZbcE8qNfG> apt should warn them when they add the repo
• 468[05:00:21] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: How so? It's impossible for apt to know if the packages it download is truly libre, or not.
• 469[05:00:23] <nyov> they are sufficiently warned when they are able to add the repo %)
• 470[05:00:35] <sZbcE8qNfG> to the "average user"....it promoting non-free stuff
• 471[05:00:55] <petn-randall> [citation needed]
• 472[05:01:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> a simple warning would suffice
• 473[05:01:15] <sZbcE8qNfG> a "why"
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• 475[05:02:30] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: You're implying that Debian users are clueless to what they're actually doing. Those are not the users we expect or are catering the distro towards.
• 476[05:02:58] <petn-randall> In fact, Debian was it who pushed the separation of non-free firmware from the Linux kernel.
• 477[05:03:06] <sZbcE8qNfG> Debian provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 51000 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machin
• 478[05:03:23] <sZbcE8qNfG> official statement
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• 480[05:03:47] <spikeyball> Has debian put out an official statement on this post meritocracy / CoC?
• 481[05:04:10] <sZbcE8qNfG> listen, buy the quick pass as the TSA so they can anal probe you faster. Don't be waiting in line 5 hours
• 482[05:04:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> it is equivalent to that
• 483[05:04:31] <lovepopsickle> how is debian pure if it uses non free
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• 485[05:06:04] <sZbcE8qNfG> you do not comprimise your principles
• 486[05:06:09] <sZbcE8qNfG> too many people do that these days
• 487[05:06:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> if you give an inch, you will lose a mile
• 488[05:06:18] <petn-randall> spikeyball: Which CoC movement? You mean the Linux kernel? That's a different project.
• 489[05:06:52] <spikeyball> no, the post meritocracy stuf, linus apologizing and taking a time off, ted tso getting hammered, etc.
• 490[05:07:30] <petn-randall> spikeyball: What statement should Debian put out? It's a matter of an upstream project.
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• 492[05:08:08] <sZbcE8qNfG> linus is good, i prefer him as a leader/stewardess over the kernel compared to trash like shuttlesworth
• 493[05:08:25] <spikeyball> i'm not saying debian should. i'm just curious if they did
• 494[05:08:30] <petn-randall> But that's not what the debate is about.
• 495[05:09:01] <petn-randall> Linus is still the BDFL of Linux.
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• 497[05:09:35] <sZbcE8qNfG> the statement should be: this is free software. If you install the non-free, it comes from non-auditable software
• 498[05:09:56] <sZbcE8qNfG> and could include questionable code
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• 500[05:10:01] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Uh, sure. Patches welcome.
• 501[05:10:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> simple as that
• 502[05:10:05] <sZbcE8qNfG> it's clear as day
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• 505[05:10:23] <sZbcE8qNfG> the user immediately understands what addding the non-free trojanrepo mean
• 506[05:10:38] <imMute> sZbcE8qNfG: "and in some [most?] cases, this code is already running on your hardware"
• 507[05:11:25] <sZbcE8qNfG> then debian has performed a trojan action
• 508[05:11:37] <sZbcE8qNfG> it should add itself to non-free
• 509[05:11:55] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Do you have a Debian support question?
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• 511[05:12:15] <sZbcE8qNfG> no, i provided an potential answer to someones question
• 512[05:12:16] <imMute> sZbcE8qNfG: I mean, the hardware already had *some* version of that firmware stored in it - debian is merely providing access to updates to said firmware.
• 513[05:12:32] <sZbcE8qNfG> that doesn't matter. 2 wrongs dont make a right
• 514[05:12:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> inform the user
• 515[05:12:42] <sZbcE8qNfG> and then take the action
• 516[05:12:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> yes or no prompt
• 517[05:12:51] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Except that all your statements are misleading.
• 518[05:13:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> respect the user, dont do behind the scenes crap
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• 520[05:13:05] <imMute> Then don't enable the non-free repos. Simple. It's already a yes/no prompt.
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• 522[05:13:42] <sZbcE8qNfG> hmm i didn't see that
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• 524[05:14:29] <imMute> It's a prompt while installing. I havn't actually used the installer in ~2 years (yay clonezilla), so I can't remember exactly what it said, but it's definitely a prompt.
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• 526[05:15:19] <imMute> replaced-url
• 527[05:15:52] <sZbcE8qNfG> bullshit
• 528[05:15:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> that prompt isn't there anymore
• 529[05:16:18] <sZbcE8qNfG> i've installed debian in several "non-free" computers and i never got that prompt
• 530[05:16:25] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Maybe you should use the installer, and then come back before making any more statements.
• 531[05:16:31] <sZbcE8qNfG> i did
• 532[05:16:34] <imMute> It's there in the Debian 8 installer. I've not used the Debian 9 installer, but I'd be surprised if it was gone (and the non-free repos automatically enabled).
• 533[05:16:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> i used both the netinstall and dvd isos
• 534[05:16:45] <sZbcE8qNfG> official mirror and checksumed
• 535[05:16:57] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: expert mode or not?
• 536[05:17:06] <sZbcE8qNfG> not
• 537[05:17:24] <petn-randall> Maybe it's only in the other then. Pretty sure it then just add it, at all.
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• 539[05:17:33] <sZbcE8qNfG> as I said, if you're a noob, debian takes advantage of you
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• 542[05:17:50] <sZbcE8qNfG> all i warn is a warning
• 543[05:18:30] <imMute> Are you sure the non-free repos are enabled when the prompt isn't displayed?
• 544[05:18:31] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Well, feel free to file bug reports and write patches to improve on this.
• 545[05:19:08] <sZbcE8qNfG> yeah i verified like 10 times
• 546[05:19:18] <sZbcE8qNfG> been installing in debian on my whole network
• 547[05:19:18] <imMute> How did you verify it?
• 548[05:19:23] <petn-randall> But you're ranting over something that never happened and never existed.
• 549[05:19:30] <sZbcE8qNfG> some console, some graphic....all non-expert
• 550[05:19:47] <petn-randall> I'm 100% sure that non-free is only enabled with explicit user consent.
• 551[05:19:52] <sZbcE8qNfG> nope
• 552[05:20:07] <sZbcE8qNfG> i had to add it after the installation to enable my wifi
• 553[05:20:20] <imMute> wait. what?
• 554[05:20:26] <petn-randall> ... you're agreeing with me.
• 555[05:20:39] <imMute> you had to turn on the non-free repo to make your wifi work? then debian is doing exactly waht you want.
• 556[05:20:50] <sZbcE8qNfG> no because apt doesn't warn me
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• 558[05:21:11] <sZbcE8qNfG> if i add non-free the first time, it shoudl show me a prompt
• 559[05:21:15] <sZbcE8qNfG> like it does in the installer
• 560[05:21:22] <imMute> apt doesn't have a clue what DFSG rules are or which repos are "free" and which ones arent.
• 561[05:21:23] <petn-randall> Neither does it when you add 3rd part repos. If you need hand-holding, Debian is not for you.
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• 563[05:21:32] <petn-randall> *party
• 564[05:21:58] <imMute> debian/apt didn't do anything behind your back - you explicitly turned on non-free repos.
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• 566[05:22:15] <sZbcE8qNfG> the official debian articles told me to!
• 567[05:22:16] <petn-randall> If you as root fiddle with the sources.list, it's expected that you're 100% aware of what you're doing.
• 568[05:22:25] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Again, [citation needed]
• 569[05:22:29] <sZbcE8qNfG> then at least remove the official debian articles/wikis
• 570[05:22:35] <sZbcE8qNfG> one sec let me link it
• 571[05:22:45] <imMute> sZbcE8qNfG: then submit a bug/patch to add the warning to the articles/wikis.
• 572[05:23:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> it was for one of the qualcomm or atheros firmware I believe....anyways I will look for it later, it's on my other machine :)
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• 574[05:24:51] <imMute> again, it's very unethical to claim that debian is "taking advantage" or "performing trojan actions" when it's just doing what you're telling it to do.
• 575[05:24:59] <petn-randall> Sure. Feel free to highlight me. I'll go to bed then.
• 576[05:25:34] <imMute> you clearly know what non-free software/firmware is, so claiming that you did it because a wiki told you to and then claiming that debian misled you is just ... wrong.
• 577[05:28:59] <sZbcE8qNfG> well if the wiki tells me to add it without the consequence, then it should be changed
• 578[05:29:16] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'll even accept a CSS dynamic overlay over the word "non-free"
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• 592[05:38:47] <lovepopsickle> if you dont use non free repos is the kernel 100 % open source?
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• 595[05:40:57] <imMute> lovepopsickle: I believe so.
• 596[05:41:21] <lovepopsickle> can you run a laptop pretty well with only free software?
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• 600[05:42:16] <imMute> definitely depends on the laptop. some of them, definitely not.
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• 602[05:43:13] <lovepopsickle> and unstable is usually used by most laptop users?
• 603[05:44:48] <sZbcE8qNfG> no
• 604[05:44:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> get a purism if you want to do that
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• 606[05:45:11] <sZbcE8qNfG> purism librem laptops or other certified laptops
• 607[05:45:28] <sZbcE8qNfG> if you buy mainstream, 99.999% cahnce it contains some non-free stuff
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• 609[05:47:21] <lovepopsickle> if I want to do what?
• 610[05:47:29] <lovepopsickle> use unstable?
• 611[05:48:14] <lovepopsickle> i thought stable was basically software that took a long time to get put on that list
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• 617[05:50:01] <sZbcE8qNfG> if you want a laptop that works with basically any distro without installing any questionalble unauditable firmware/drivers, get a libre hardware laptop
• 618[05:50:06] <sZbcE8qNfG> like a purism librem
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• 620[05:54:37] <lovepopsickle> i was looking @ it ..it looks nice
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• 629[05:57:40] <lovepopsickle> pureos looks nice
• 630[05:57:52] <sZbcE8qNfG> no its shot
• 631[05:57:55] <sZbcE8qNfG> shit*
• 632[05:57:59] <sZbcE8qNfG> stick with debian
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• 635[05:59:58] <lovepopsickle> lol really
• 636[06:00:03] <lovepopsickle> thanks for the tip
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• 751[07:56:48] <n4dir> drwiii: it does play here. if that was the question.
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• 754[07:58:02] <drwiii> n4dir: thank you. i have a Debian VM installed but it doesn't have a desktop installed.
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• 756[07:58:28] <n4dir> sure made me smile. funny video, didn't expect that :-)
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• 758[08:00:09] <drwiii> someone pasted the youtube video earlier replaced-url
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• 762[08:01:58] <drwiii> you can use -filter_complex "[0:v]scale=320:240;[1:a]atempo=1.04" as an option for ffmpeg if you add the accompanying soundtrack as another input.
• 763[08:02:07] <diogenes_> lol, Stallman dancing like an ancient Egyptian
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• 766[08:04:00] <drwiii> it took me awhile to figure it out, but [0:v] is the video track of the first input, and [1:a] is the audio track of the second input. that's how you can do an audiovisual mashup.
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• 768[08:05:44] <n4dir> not easy to explain: i used lxappearance to change the gtk theme, using openbox. If i switch to a (gtk) app, it stays blank/white for ca. 4-5 seconds, then i see the usual interface. I checked a tk application, it doesn't have that problem?
• 769[08:06:02] <drwiii> i intend to license the audio program, i think it's a fun result.
• 770[08:06:06] <n4dir> question: is it *possible* that the problem is the change of the gtk theme?
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• 774[08:06:47] <drwiii> (this ffmpeg install decodes itunes' .m4a, this is a purchase.)
• 775[08:06:58] <n4dir> --- there are only 7 themes installed, but for the life of me i can't figure out which was the one i used before the problem. lol.
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• 826[09:19:03] <jaggz> is there a way to kill kded and have it come back without logging out my kde session? :)
• 827[09:19:19] <jaggz> it, and plasmashell, are gobbling up cpu like there's no bitcoin tomorrow
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• 829[09:19:30] <jaggz> I've restarted plasmashell so that's not it
• 830[09:20:06] <jaggz> I just.. hate having to re-set up all my windows and terminal sessions and vi sessions
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• 835[09:23:20] <owl__> hi, debian onion repos are "down" ?
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• 839[09:26:06] <owl__> wtf?
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• 910[10:42:38] <no_gravity> Is there a tool in the debian repos to compress PNGs?
• 911[10:42:59] <no_gravity> I tried all convert (imagemagick) filters but they all result in an image bigger then the original.
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• 914[10:45:07] <tseng> PNGs are already compressed
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• 916[10:47:16] <no_gravity> tseng: tinypng.com usually can recompress them and save 50% and more.
• 917[10:47:51] <no_gravity> I am experimenting with pngquant from the Debian repos now. So far results look good. Similar to what tinypng.com does.
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• 919[10:51:32] <no_gravity> So now I use: pngquant -o myimage.png myimage.png
• 920[10:51:47] <no_gravity> Is there a way that I have to write the filename only once?
• 921[10:52:19] <tseng> for a sequence of files, or for just the one?
• 922[10:52:26] <no_gravity> just one
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• 924[10:54:06] <tseng> it probably requires a source and destination, or may have a flag like --replace
• 925[10:54:26] <tseng> check the man page
• 926[10:54:42] <no_gravity> I checked the man of course.
• 927[10:55:07] <tseng> well, it's a better source than i
• 928[10:55:40] <no_gravity> But it has no such flag.
• 929[10:57:04] <tseng> you might want to use something like 'infile.png' 'outfile.png' though, or else it might try to write over your source image before it finishes reading it
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• 931[10:58:18] <no_gravity> 'pngquant -f -o myimage.png myimage.png' works nicely.
• 932[10:58:24] <no_gravity> Think I will put it in an alias then.
• 933[10:58:30] <no_gravity> Or a function.
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• 965[11:30:02] <monkey-b> hi there ! I'm using debian buster with kde and when getting in a folder containing a large xml file ~20MB with dolphin, QtWebEngine process goes haywire, consuming 100% on one core and filling up memory until crash.
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• 967[11:30:18] <monkey-b> does anyone has encountered this issue and found a workaround
• 968[11:30:19] <monkey-b> ?
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• 970[11:30:40] <monkey-b> i'll fill a bug for that but asking here first :-)
• 971[11:32:32] <mspe> you're gonna be told to go to #debian-next, which doesn't even exist on this server :s
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• 976[11:33:22] <monkey-b> oh :) i see
• 977[11:33:44] <monkey-b> here is only for stable?
• 978[11:34:05] <mspe> yes
• 979[11:34:23] <mspe> debian-next is on the server Open something
• 980[11:34:40] <mspe> an acronym in 4 letters starting with O, don't remember well
• 981[11:34:43] <monkey-b> i'll look for it
• 982[11:34:57] <monkey-b> thanks
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• 994[11:52:39] <myoxo> hi, does anyone know anything about sudden audio issues? I'm pretty sure everything worked fine until very recently, but now I get "dummy output" I adjust the volume. And no sound.
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• 1002[11:58:02] <myoxo> oh, some commands to list hardware and stuff and output: replaced-url
• 1003[11:58:15] <myoxo> the thing that confuses me is tjhat
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• 1006[11:59:55] <myoxo> most people who get these issues seem to not find their soundcard at all. From what I can tell, it's all there. Just not availale to the system? Alsamixer seems to find it.
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• 1024[12:18:07] <at0m> myoxo: if aplay -l sees it, alsamixer should. are you using pulseaudio and does alsamixer default to that? F6 to select the real card then
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• 1027[12:19:39] <myoxo> at0m: well, that's the odd thing - the gui-thing on the desktop doesn't find it.
• 1028[12:19:50] <myoxo> hangon, I'll try a printscreen
• 1029[12:19:59] <at0m> dont mind the gui thing for now, just alsamixer first
• 1030[12:20:26] <at0m> replaced-url
• 1031[12:20:59] <at0m> that doesn't even mention pulseaudio eh
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• 1035[12:23:50] <at0m> dpkg: tell myoxo about sound
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• 1037[12:24:10] <myoxo> tnx, will do
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• 1042[12:25:44] <drwiii> replaced-url
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• 1051[12:32:00] <myoxo> right, thanks for you help, guys! You've given me a lot of stuff to read and test, I'll try to muddle through.
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• 1132[13:35:36] <pldiem1> hi
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• 1136[13:36:37] <pldiem1> I cannot log in there is black screen, but if I plug external monitor there is blue screen, with gradient, with mouse available
• 1137[13:36:55] <pldiem1> here is my XOrg.0.log
• 1138[13:36:58] <pldiem1> replaced-url
• 1139[13:37:25] <pldiem1> yesterday I installed like 3 extensions to GNOME, but all worked yesterday
• 1140[13:37:33] <pldiem1> maybe that is the issue
• 1141[13:37:38] <pldiem1> what do you think?
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• 1151[13:48:03] <VLetrmx> I just upgraded my packages and got a new version of firefox
• 1152[13:48:05] <VLetrmx> and it's great
• 1153[13:48:08] <VLetrmx> except there's no sound
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• 1155[13:48:20] <VLetrmx> I'm guessing this is because they made pulseaudio mandatory
• 1156[13:48:23] <VLetrmx> right?
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• 1174[13:57:17] <embrosyn> Hi guys, I'm following this wiki entry: replaced-url
• 1175[13:58:07] <embrosyn> My "newname" package should replace any version of "oldname" package.
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• 1181[14:00:46] <pldiem1> no answers, but I noticed something on the login screen, I do not have and option to switch between display managers, I had like GNOME, GNOME Classic, GNOME on XOrg
• 1182[14:00:58] <pldiem1> any ideas now?
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• 1184[14:01:22] <VLetrmx> replaced-url
• 1185[14:01:23] <VLetrmx> what the fuck
• 1186[14:01:35] <VLetrmx> that is the most retarded shit I've ever seen
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• 1188[14:02:05] <embrosyn> Hmm, pldiem1, as far as I can recall, you can't really pick between display managers on the login screen, but CMIIW guys.
• 1189[14:02:27] <pldiem1> I was able to do that
• 1190[14:02:40] <pldiem1> that is how I switched to Xorg, sometime ago
• 1191[14:03:03] <pldiem1> there were some issues with nvidia and wayland
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• 1194[14:04:11] <pldiem1> just like here replaced-url
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• 1196[14:04:23] <pldiem1> there is this gear next to Sign In button
• 1197[14:04:47] <embrosyn> I think you're referring to display/window servers here.
• 1198[14:05:17] <pldiem1> probably :)
• 1199[14:05:26] <embrosyn> However, sounds like your greeter config is broken.
• 1200[14:05:28] <pldiem1> so that button disappeared
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• 1203[14:08:25] <nyov> pldiem1: the only EE error lines in your config are these:
• 1204[14:08:28] <nyov> [ 9.305] (EE) modeset(G0): eglGetDisplay() failed
• 1205[14:08:29] <nyov> [ 9.305] (EE) modeset(G0): glamor initialization failed
• 1206[14:08:44] <nyov> so this may be the reason for the bluescreen
• 1207[14:08:46] <embrosyn> Hmm, internet suggests reinstalling your display manager (LXDM, SDDM, LightDM, etc.).
• 1208[14:09:00] <pldiem1> I just did systemctl restart gdm3.service
• 1209[14:09:08] <pldiem1> without .service
• 1210[14:09:16] <embrosyn> Did it do the trick?
• 1211[14:09:17] <pldiem1> and now I can see the gear
• 1212[14:09:22] <pldiem1> but only with 2 options
• 1213[14:09:25] <pldiem1> no Xorg
• 1214[14:09:41] <pldiem1> GNOME and System X11 Defautl
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• 1217[14:11:02] <pldiem1> I will try to reboot now
• 1218[14:11:11] <embrosyn> Reddit (replaced-url
• 1219[14:12:07] <pldiem1> nope, only 2 options
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• 1221[14:12:23] <embrosyn> Hey, at least the gear shows now :).
• 1222[14:12:54] <pldiem1> now some errors appear on my prompt
• 1223[14:13:34] <pldiem1> NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:01:00:): 16 Head 00000000 Count 00000703
• 1224[14:13:50] <pldiem1> and there a few lines like that
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• 1227[14:15:00] <nyov> VLetrmx: it does sound quite disgusting
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• 1229[14:15:39] <pldiem1> embrosyn: I do not have this file
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• 1232[14:16:19] <embrosyn> How about /etc/gdm3/custom.conf?
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• 1234[14:17:44] <pldiem1> daemon.conf and greeter.dconf-defaults
• 1235[14:18:20] <pldiem1> I looked at greeter
• 1236[14:18:26] <pldiem1> and there was no line like it
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• 1238[14:18:33] <pldiem1> but it was in daemon
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• 1245[14:20:27] <pldiem1> did help and now my login screen is freezed
• 1246[14:20:28] <pldiem1> :(
• 1247[14:20:35] <pldiem1> *didn't
• 1248[14:21:29] <embrosyn> Maybe it's a Ubuntu vs. Debian thing, but I don't have the daemon.conf file.
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• 1250[14:22:19] <embrosyn> A long shot, but NVRM indicates you're using nVidia hardware, how about switching drivers from proprietary to open-source or vice-versa?
• 1251[14:22:33] <VLetrmx> nyov, it's not even a straight forward matter to compile
• 1252[14:22:42] <VLetrmx> you need Rust and all sorts of other nonsense
• 1253[14:22:48] <embrosyn> And try rebooting after the conf change if you didn't already.
• 1254[14:22:55] <pldiem1> I am not switching
• 1255[14:23:01] <pldiem1> I did this replaced-url
• 1256[14:23:35] <pldiem1> only 2 options after restart
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• 1258[14:26:05] <embrosyn> Well, I have no idea what could you do next.
• 1259[14:26:08] <embrosyn> Anyone?
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• 1261[14:26:19] <nyov> VLetrmx: that's the whole *actual* problem of firefox. They added stuff and added stuff and ADDED stuff, and now they find it's too much to maintain. Now they must rip out stuff to make this BLOB maintainable again.
• 1262[14:26:33] <embrosyn> Are you sure both .desktop files have the same content pldiem1?
• 1263[14:26:38] <nyov> instead of taking a second to think about trying a more modular approach?
• 1264[14:28:03] <nyov> VLetrmx: and I agree, trying to compile this beast is nontrivial. I'd say you need to have masochistic tendencies to get it done
• 1265[14:28:09] <pldiem1> embrosyn: let me check
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• 1267[14:28:34] <embrosyn> I'm doing wild guesses here, you probably did it right, but who knows.
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• 1270[14:29:14] <nyov> VLetrmx: so their answer of "build your own Firefox with ALSA enabled (the code is still there)" is quite nasty
• 1271[14:30:15] <pldiem1> yeap, the same content
• 1272[14:30:29] <pldiem1> i didn't change anything and it worked
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• 1274[14:30:33] <pldiem1> for a few days
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• 1276[14:32:06] <VLetrmx> nyov, yeah I guess they don't care
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• 1278[14:33:21] <pldiem1> embrosyn: I was able to log in without choosing any on the two available options
• 1279[14:33:46] <pldiem1> I read the page you pasted
• 1280[14:33:51] <pldiem1> and someone wrote "GNOME on Xorg" will not appear if the default "GNOME" session is already using Xorg.
• 1281[14:34:02] <pldiem1> so I tried to log in
• 1282[14:34:04] <pldiem1> and it worked
• 1283[14:34:27] <embrosyn> Did we accidentally solve the problem? :)
• 1284[14:34:29] <pldiem1> but I am pretty sure that 's not the last time
• 1285[14:34:39] <pldiem1> yes, thanks
• 1286[14:34:47] <embrosyn> Haha, you're welcome.
• 1287[14:34:57] <embrosyn> Come back when it goes bad again :).
• 1288[14:35:02] <pldiem1> let me try to reboot and see if it will work
• 1289[14:35:09] <embrosyn> *dun dun dun*
• 1290[14:35:10] <nyov> pldiem1: did you try to login using a different option previously?
• 1291[14:35:27] <pldiem1> I had no options before
• 1292[14:35:39] <pldiem1> systemctl restart gdm3.service
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• 1295[14:37:18] <nyov> are you on GNOME3 now? or what is "gnome on Xorg" even?
• 1296[14:37:46] <nyov> from the glamor error in you log it may be that some 3D desktop thing isn't working (but I don't use GNOME3 so I can't say)
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• 1298[14:38:38] <pldiem1> I am pretty sure I am on gnome3
• 1299[14:38:49] <pldiem1> debian buster/testing
• 1300[14:39:12] <nyov> ok
• 1301[14:40:25] <nyov> embrosyn: is your question answered?
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• 1305[14:43:13] <pldiem1> nyov: there is, or at least was for me, such option like "GNOME on Xorg"
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• 1307[14:43:46] <nyov> yes I believe you. But what are the other options?
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• 1309[14:44:03] <pldiem1> replaced-url
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• 1311[14:44:22] <pldiem1> I had no Kodi
• 1312[14:44:33] <pldiem1> but I had 4 option
• 1313[14:44:40] <pldiem1> System X11 Default
• 1314[14:44:53] <pldiem1> GNOME used Wayland
• 1315[14:45:04] <pldiem1> that is why I switched to GNOME on Xorg
• 1316[14:45:06] <nyov> I wonder what the difference is between those. (except the wayland case which is obvious)
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• 1319[14:46:24] <nyov> embrosyn: section 7.6.2 here describes a use without version numbers: replaced-url
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• 1321[14:46:47] <nyov> so I'd say it's possible
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• 1335[15:04:33] <VLetrmx> "
• 1336[15:04:33] <VLetrmx> The point is to avoid people accidentally not installing Pulse Audio and having a broken/poor playback experience. They can always rebuild the package differently if they feel strongly about it. Linux developers are well placed to (a) feel strongly about the things, and (b) compile their own build."
• 1337[15:04:39] <VLetrmx> this is bullshit
• 1338[15:04:43] <VLetrmx> it's not straightforward at all to compile this
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• 1340[15:04:56] <VLetrmx> basically a security update just broke sound in my browser
• 1341[15:04:58] <VLetrmx> what the fuck
• 1342[15:05:05] <VLetrmx> this is a total fucking joke
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• 1344[15:09:21] <VLetrmx> I even just tried to obtain the source and build with apt-src and I can't build it because the rust compiler in stable isn't sufficiently new enough for firefox
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• 1351[15:13:26] <embrosyn> nyov, thanks for responding!
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• 1353[15:14:57] <nyov> embrosyn: I hope it works
• 1354[15:15:41] <embrosyn> We'll see once it builds :P.
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• 1364[15:31:52] <lovepopsickle> hi embrosyn
• 1365[15:32:00] <lovepopsickle> i guess you the guy who has the ppa for cinnamon :0
• 1366[15:32:03] <lovepopsickle> :)
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• 1384[15:48:41] <sZbcE8qNfG> with apache2, if you want it to read/write a folder outside of replaced-url
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• 1386[15:49:13] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'm thinking this is not secure, it also prevents regular users for copying files to that directory
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• 1407[16:06:58] <gkgk_> hii all
• 1408[16:07:26] <gkgk_> someone help me
• 1409[16:07:31] <pkpkpk1> hiiiiiiii
• 1410[16:08:15] <pkpkpk1> plz explain your problem
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• 1412[16:08:26] <gkgk_> sure
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• 1414[16:10:42] <BlAd373> hi everyone
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• 1416[16:11:00] <BlAd373> sorry my bad english
• 1417[16:12:11] <BlAd373> someone can please suggest the correct string for install debian 9.5 on laptop dualboot with nomodeset?
• 1418[16:13:36] <BlAd373> my string are linux /d-i/vmlinuz "${loopback}" nomodeset=0
• 1419[16:13:58] <BlAd373> i put nomodeset=0
• 1420[16:14:11] <BlAd373> but same i stack blackscreen
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• 1433[16:31:04] <diogenes_> BlAd373, you just add nomodeset and that's it
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• 1440[16:39:19] <BlAd373> ok
• 1441[16:39:25] <BlAd373> tnx
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• 1445[16:41:12] <LizaBorodina> hi my name is Liza
• 1446[16:41:42] <LizaBorodina> im wanna try emulate modem speeds on my debian. how can i do that? what command i need this?
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• 1449[16:42:13] <LizaBorodina> for example 56k connection speed or 28.8k and so one.
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• 1457[16:44:39] <bites> LizaBorodina: try wondershaper
• 1458[16:44:50] <bites> ,i wondershaper
• 1459[16:44:51] <judd> Package wondershaper (net, extra) in stretch/amd64: Easy to use traffic shaping script. Version: 1.1a-8; Size: 14.6k; Installed: 18k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1461[16:45:32] <bites> i think it's just a wrapper around tc.
• 1462[16:45:34] <LizaBorodina> thank you and what settings need for 56k?
• 1463[16:45:46] <LizaBorodina> replaced-url
• 1464[16:46:24] <bites> wondershaper <interface> <down in kbit> <up in kbit>
• 1465[16:46:31] <bites> wondershaper clear <interface>
• 1466[16:46:36] <bites> that's how you use it.
• 1467[16:47:01] <LizaBorodina> thank you :) what value for down and up in kbit for 56k?
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• 1469[16:47:16] <BCMM> LizaBorodina: what's it for? if it's for web site responsiveness, several browsers have that built-in
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• 1471[16:47:44] <LizaBorodina> yes nut im need for network interface
• 1472[16:48:19] <LizaBorodina> *but
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• 1483[16:56:49] <jetscreamer> how do i fix the 'nickserv doesn't identify me quick enough to autojoin #debian' thing
• 1484[16:57:04] <jetscreamer> works fine on oftc
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• 1486[16:57:30] <nkuttler> jetscreamer: sasl auth, see also #freenode
• 1487[16:57:45] <jetscreamer> ahh thankee
• 1488[16:58:26] <bonkano> Hi guys I realy need help
• 1489[16:58:42] <jetscreamer> any pearls on fonts with nvidia?
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• 1492[16:59:57] <bonkano> I've debian 9 stretch and my wireless adapter does'nt work
• 1493[17:00:36] <jetscreamer> i'd guess you need firmware but you might want to /msg dpkg smart questions, or whatever the factoid was
• 1494[17:01:11] <diogenes_> bonkano, you mean dongle or laptop wifi?
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• 1496[17:01:20] <jetscreamer> meh it changed. bad factoid, bad!
• 1497[17:01:54] <jetscreamer> brb testing pearl one
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• 1500[17:02:27] <jetscreamer> yay team!
• 1501[17:02:56] <jetscreamer> sasl++
• 1502[17:03:02] <bonkano> diogenes_, pc wifi
• 1503[17:03:25] <jetscreamer> have we got to chipset yet?
• 1504[17:03:39] <diogenes_> bonkano, run: sudo lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3
• 1505[17:03:44] <diogenes_> pastebin the output
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• 1507[17:05:27] <bonkano> diogenes_, the commande does'nt give no result
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• 1509[17:07:53] <diogenes_> bonkano, ok then run: lspci -k | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1510[17:08:06] <diogenes_> you gonna get a link in terminal, share it here
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• 1516[17:11:50] <bonkano> diogenes_, replaced-url
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• 1519[17:12:39] <bonkano> diogenes_, that's the command output
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• 1523[17:13:56] <diogenes_> bonkano, bad news, your wireless card is not detected at all, i'd suggest you go to bios and see maybe it's disabled or run some live session of xubuntu and see if it works there
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• 1539[17:26:07] <bonkano> diogenes_, erverythonk is ok in my bios
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• 1543[17:26:45] <bonkano> diogenes_, is there any commands to detect it
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• 1546[17:26:59] <diogenes_> bonkano, yes
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• 1548[17:27:17] <embrosyn> lovepopsickle, yes, I am :)
• 1549[17:27:46] <diogenes_> bonkano, to try a newer kernel or the second option that i mentioned
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• 1551[17:29:05] <bonkano> diogenes_, can you help me to fix this problem?
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• 1556[17:31:14] <diogenes_> bonkano, as i mentioned already a couple of times, first we need to make sure that your wireless card is even alive, for that purpose i suggested you to go ahead and download a xubuntu iso, write it to a use drive, boot the usb drive into the live session and try to see if your wireless card works there, only after that we can think about the next step.
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• 1560[17:34:16] <bonkano> okdiogenes_, ok i'm trying to do it now but my connection is so slow
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• 1588[17:51:32] <nyov> random question: does python[3]-apt provide an interface to acces `apt-cache`'s /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin database?
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• 1592[17:52:28] <nyov> Or where is that file format defined?
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• 1595[17:52:56] <nyov> # file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin
• 1596[17:52:57] <nyov> /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin: APT cache data, version 11.0, little-endian, 81881 packages, 124317 versions
• 1597[17:53:11] <nyov> file knows about it :)
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• 1605[17:55:58] <LizaBorodina> hi im trying wondershaper -a wlp2s0-d 56 -u 48 is this correct for emulate 56k modem speed?
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• 1607[17:56:20] <LizaBorodina> or what value is need?
• 1608[17:57:58] <nyov> oohweeee. wondershaper. Now that's a blast from the past
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• 1610[17:59:25] <LizaBorodina> yes. is value is okay? or im use 33k?
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• 1615[18:00:38] <nyov> LizaBorodina: the README and manpage seem pretty informative. Idk myself
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• 1620[18:03:07] <LizaBorodina> im read man mage about wondershaper but not include example
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• 1624[18:05:19] <nyov> LizaBorodina: The script says values in kilobits, so I would say you got that right.
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• 1627[18:05:45] <nyov> assuming a 56k modem actually achieves that speed
• 1628[18:07:09] <nyov> If my brain even remotely remembers that stuff, I assume the issue with those pesky ppp links was always rather getting the MTU size correct or smth.
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• 1630[18:07:34] <nyov> which wouldn't be an issue for you now
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• 1632[18:07:52] <nyov> I'm rather surprised the script looks so simple to these eyes now :D
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• 1634[18:08:48] <LizaBorodina> so this value is not correct?
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• 1637[18:09:23] <LizaBorodina> im trying slow script on github but not working
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• 1641[18:10:38] <nyov> LizaBorodina: if you have an actual 56k link, you'll want to lower the values a bit, but otherwise I don't see why it wouldn't work
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• 1643[18:11:37] <nyov> do you have /sbin/tc ? (iproute2 package)
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• 1645[18:13:21] <LizaBorodina> yes
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• 1647[18:13:30] <LizaBorodina> i have
• 1648[18:14:10] <LizaBorodina> but after set this script, fast.com is measure Mibps not Kibps
• 1649[18:14:40] <LizaBorodina> after set modem-56k syntax in slow script
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• 1651[18:15:09] <LizaBorodina> im uploading screenshot for image hosting to see what is not working
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• 1653[18:17:47] <bites> LizaBorodina: where did you get the -a -d -u options from? man wondershaper explains the syntax exactly.
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• 1657[18:19:24] <LizaBorodina> youtube video about modem sound and speeds
• 1658[18:19:54] <bites> LizaBorodina: do you see any -a -d -u options in man wondershaper? man pages are a better source than youtube videos.
• 1659[18:20:07] <LizaBorodina> replaced-url
• 1660[18:20:32] <LizaBorodina> this video is include 56 for down and 48 or 33 for upload
• 1661[18:20:55] <bites> LizaBorodina: i'm talking about the command you pasted.
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• 1663[18:21:02] <nyov> LizaBorodina: you can also check if `lsmod | grep ifb` has loaded the ifb, and if `ip link | grep ifb` shows you an interface
• 1664[18:21:23] <LizaBorodina> im loading ifb :)
• 1665[18:21:28] <LizaBorodina> and working
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• 1667[18:23:59] <LizaBorodina> but RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory
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• 1674[18:27:31] <Tenkawa> uggh
• 1675[18:27:56] <Tenkawa> I wish someone would get the RTS5129 driver fixed
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• 1677[18:28:20] <pink_vampire> hi
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• 1679[18:28:56] <pink_vampire> is there a way to remap my keyboard?
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• 1685[18:34:49] <jhutchins> pink_vampire: Yes
• 1686[18:35:02] <pink_vampire> HOW?
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• 1688[18:41:17] <jhutchins> pink_vampire: Google.
• 1689[18:42:05] <pink_vampire> so there is no value of using the irc and asking for help.
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• 1691[18:42:21] <jhutchins> pink_vampire: Changing your locale can change the keyboard map, but you can also completely customize it. You can switch to dvorak, whatever you want.
• 1692[18:42:54] <jhutchins> pink_vampire: There is for some things, but nobody appears to be paying attention right now who knows the practical aspects of remapping keyboards.
• 1693[18:43:07] <nyov> LizaBorodina: then you will need some more lower-level debugging
• 1694[18:43:25] <nyov> LizaBorodina: are you certain you did it for the correct interface?
• 1695[18:43:51] <Tenkawa> thank goodness these new usb 3 sticks are tiny and lightning fast
• 1696[18:44:20] <Tenkawa> since this mmc driver is still all hosed up
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• 1698[18:44:54] <pink_vampire> i want to use the the left 4 buttons (like the arrows) an my PGUP PGDN HOME END
• 1699[18:44:56] <pink_vampire> replaced-url
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• 1702[18:47:53] <LizaBorodina> yes corect interface is wlp2s0
• 1703[18:47:53] <SerajewelKS> if i have a RAID1 where one disk is a regular disk and the other disk is a RAID0, would there be a performance advantage to setting either side as write-mostly?
• 1704[18:48:27] <SerajewelKS> i'd assume the RAID0 could read faster, so setting the physical disk as write-mostly would be beneficial?
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• 1741[19:18:43] <epsilon> SerajewelKS
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• 1743[19:18:59] <epsilon> SerajewelKS: the array is as fast as the slowest device
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• 1750[19:22:03] <SerajewelKS> epsilon: when writing, yes. that is not true regarding reads.
• 1751[19:23:05] <SerajewelKS> (and it's only true for writes in RAID1)
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• 1759[19:29:50] <leni536> Hi, are /lib/systemd/system/*.service files treated similarly to /etc/... config files on package updates?
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• 1762[19:32:39] <leni536> I get a notification when apt wants to install a new version of the config file that I already edited and offers different options to resolve the conflict.
• 1763[19:32:52] <leni536> I wonder if the same happens for service files too.
• 1764[19:33:02] <karlpinc> leni536: I don't know, but I'd bet not. You're supposed to make changes in /etc/systemd/...
• 1765[19:33:40] <karlpinc> leni536: I think there may be a README.Debian* in /usr/share/doc/systemd* or some such.
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• 1767[19:34:22] <leni536> Oh ok, thanks
• 1768[19:34:37] <leni536> I read up on that
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• 1782[19:45:28] <nnyby> hi, what would be the rsync equivalent of "cp -l"? I want to copy hard-links with rsync just like cp -l does
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• 1786[19:46:41] <nkuttler> um. hard links only make sense on a local filesystem?
• 1787[19:47:07] <nnyby> this is a local filesystem copy
• 1788[19:47:21] <nnyby> i'm using rsync for its --exclude capabilities
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• 1790[19:47:55] <nkuttler> -H, --hard-links preserve hard links ?
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• 1792[19:48:46] <nnyby> I'm looking at that.. does it behave just like cp -l? I want to create hard-links instead of copying files, not necessarily preserve existing hard-links
• 1793[19:51:35] <nkuttler> never used it
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• 1795[19:54:13] <nnyby> okay, well if anyone has experience with this I've opened a question here: replaced-url
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• 1807[20:11:08] <JustASlacker> hard-links is not the same a symlink
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• 1809[20:11:45] <JustASlacker> hrm, guess I didnt read that right
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• 1813[20:13:55] <hesco> I left a raw drive in a drive bay on each machine in my cluster, but have neither partitioned, nor built file systems on any of them yet. I have been searching /dev/ for these new drives, but find nothing definitive? How is it I can introspect my servers to identify these new disks? These machines are del r710s.
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• 1816[20:16:22] <JustASlacker> hesco: is there something in /dev/disk/
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• 1820[20:17:10] <hesco> there is a perc 6i (I think it was called) which was used somehow early on to pair two drives as a RAID array. The base system is built on that. But now I want to expose raw devices to a ceph installation, and am uncertain how to proceed? Do I need to head back to the DC to somehow expose these through the Perc piece?
• 1821[20:17:31] <JustASlacker> you could check dmesg, boot log or jounarctl for bootup messages regarding to those drives
• 1822[20:17:50] <hesco> JustASlacker: yes, populated with paths called by-*, by-id through by-uuid, plus a couple of other options.
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• 1825[20:19:27] <SerajewelKS> nnyby: rsync -H will *preserve* hardlinks (if two files in the source tree point to the same inode, then in the destination they will be made to point to the same inode)
• 1826[20:19:34] <JustASlacker> hesco: and what is in by-id for example?
• 1827[20:19:35] <nkuttler> hesco: doesn't the idrac interface have some insight?
• 1828[20:19:40] <SerajewelKS> it does *not* make everything in the destination tree a hardlink to the source tree
• 1829[20:20:12] <SerajewelKS> nnyby: perhaps you could use a combination of find and cp -l?
• 1830[20:20:22] <JustASlacker> there is a good #ceph channel on irc.oftc.net
• 1831[20:20:31] <JustASlacker> hesco: ^
• 1832[20:20:44] <SerajewelKS> nnyby: though if you're using a --delete option, find won't help you there
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• 1834[20:24:55] <hesco> JustASlacker: This: `for device in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do file $device ; done` shows me symlinks back to the optical drive, /dev/sda* and /dev/sdb*, but no sign of the new raw, un-partitioned drive.
• 1835[20:25:51] <hesco> nkuttler: pretty sure access to idrac involves another trip to data center and a reboot, not something I can check from this desk.
• 1836[20:26:11] <nkuttler> eh..
• 1837[20:26:16] <JustASlacker> this drive connected to a hardware raid?
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• 1839[20:26:24] <JustASlacker> hesco: check your boot log
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• 1841[20:26:51] <JustASlacker> also, idrac can be accessed over network
• 1842[20:27:06] <nkuttler> well, not if you haven't made it available :D
• 1843[20:27:10] <JustASlacker> some functions even from within linux
• 1844[20:27:49] <JustASlacker> well, anybody who does not connect ipmi/idrac deserves the extra trip
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• 1851[20:30:37] <hesco> JustASlacker: my intent was to expose this raw drive directly to ceph, although I have two devices configured using iDrac as a RAID0, visible at /dev/sda*
• 1852[20:31:56] <hesco> I was unsure of the security implications for exposing the idrac stuff over the network and so disabled that option. I do remember that from the initial build.
• 1853[20:32:14] <JustASlacker> sorry, gotta go. check #ceph
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• 1855[20:32:18] <hesco> JustASlacker: where would I find that boot log?
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• 1857[20:32:36] <hesco> thanks for your time and help with this. have a great day
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• 1887[20:56:50] <Akuw> hi
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• 1890[20:57:18] <Akuw> i just installed nodejs but when run node -v i got sudo: node: command not found
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• 1896[21:02:32] <nkuttler> Akuw: dpkg -L nodejs | grep bin
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• 1913[21:20:06] <DevilTiger_> is there a way to upgrade from a minimal install after you've installed? my network didn't configure right on install
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• 1930[21:34:12] <Akuw> /usr/bin /usr/bin/nodejs
• 1931[21:34:28] <Akuw> nkuttler: /usr/bin /usr/bin/nodejs
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• 1951[21:57:16] <karlpinc> DevilTiger_: Sure. You just install more packages.
• 1952[21:58:26] <DevilTiger_> i ended up just reinstalling. for some reason on the next install it was able to get an IP from dhcp and everything was ok
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• 1961[22:02:31] <zophyx> if i don't know my password then i am safe from being hacked
• 1962[22:03:13] <zophyx> UPP, Unknown Password Paradigm
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• 1976[22:20:57] <karlpinc> zophyx: You are never safe from being hacked unless you live in a cave with no net access and no way in.
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• 1980[22:22:28] <chocolate> what's the best package to radio stream text mode on debian?
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• 1982[22:22:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> use your browser
• 1983[22:22:45] <sZbcE8qNfG> and goto shoutcast
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• 1986[22:24:36] <karlpinc> chocolate: Dunno. But the debtags package may help you search.
• 1987[22:25:38] <zophyx> karlpinc: ah hah, your assumption of "life" being involved is a weakness in your qualification of "life", resulting in your exposure of yourself to me
• 1988[22:25:55] <chocolate> it seems to be icecast... proceed?
• 1989[22:26:03] <zophyx> no
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• 1991[22:26:19] <zophyx> i misspoke
• 1992[22:26:56] <zophyx> hmmm, #debian needs a spelling bot
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• 1999[22:34:51] <zophyx> only niggers question the superiority of the white mans' intelligence, because niggers are retarded by virtue of their inferior race, i mean i hate fucking niggers, and i hope every nigger here suffers the death of an infant in their family, if they even have a family, because outright rape resulting in procreation a weak semblence of homo sapiens sapiens behavior
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• 2001[22:35:29] <zophyx> oops,, sorry, wrong channel
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• 2025[23:02:16] <xloem> hi #debian ... I can't seem to access the debian repository hidden service at vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion ; is it running?
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• 2028[23:09:05] <bites> xloem: seems to be down.
• 2029[23:10:23] <srgg> was up yesterday - has been down since this morning
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• 2052[23:38:26] <cheapie> Hmm, booting Debian Live from a 2x DVD drive takes a while :P
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• 2054[23:39:11] <xloem> I don't suppose there's a mirror, or even a status page ;p
• 2055[23:40:37] <cheapie> xloem: Is your ISP censoring Debian mirrors or something?
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• 2068[23:57:11] <xloem> it's good to know it's not my system
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