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124 [01:54:42] <bodqhrohro> How do I list installed packages that are in "recommends" section of some other installed packages but in no one's "depends"?
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128 [01:56:29] <bodqhrohro> Hopefully, it's a common use case, after figuring out that APT::Install-Recommends was overridden to "true" for a long time :D
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136 [02:08:13] <magyar> hi, I have an issue with the latest esr firefox on stable, I'm not able to press the hamburger menu
137 [02:08:26] <magyar> is there a way to revert back to esr 52?
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139 [02:08:53] <magyar> the update was to esr 60.2
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141 [02:12:11] <magyar> it seems to be something with opengl render
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147 [02:15:44] <magyar> it seems to work fine with amd graphics but for intel the opengl render is not working
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173 [02:53:34] <neo4> hi
174 [02:53:47] <neo4> does centos is good as a desktop?
175 [02:54:21] <neo4> there exists option to install centOS with a gnome desktop. What does it means, is it a good as a desktop OS?
176 [02:54:50] <Unit193> You're asking in the Debian channel whether another distro is a good desktop OS?
177 [02:55:38] <TheCryptek> xD
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190 [03:11:46] <neo4> Unit193: yes, I think you use many others distrous too
191 [03:11:59] <neo4> Unit193: what do you think about red hat and centOS?
192 [03:12:22] <neo4> Unit193: they looks like decent products, don't it?
193 [03:12:45] <Unit193> I think you might be better off asking in #centos about using it on a workstation. This channel is for Debian support.
194 [03:12:57] <Unit193> Or, perhaps ##linux.
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211 [03:31:47] <neo4> Unit193: ok
212 [03:32:15] <neo4> Unit193: what is difference between centos, fedora, red hat?
213 [03:32:22] <neo4> the last question
214 [03:32:34] <mason> neo4: Go to distrowatch.com and read about them.
215 [03:33:16] <neo4> Unit193: mason: what OS do both of you use?
216 [03:33:22] <mason> neo4: I use everything.
217 [03:34:06] <neo4> mason: see replaced-url
218 [03:34:14] <neo4> mason: do you have one?
219 [03:34:29] <mason> A youtube?
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221 [03:35:05] <neo4> mason: no, a red hat certificate
222 [03:35:39] <mason> neo4: Yes, RHCE. But that's not on-topic for this channel.
223 [03:35:54] <neo4> mason: ok
224 [03:35:59] <neo4> passed
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227 [03:41:16] <mason> neo4: What passed?
228 [03:41:38] <mason> bbiab
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230 [03:41:56] <neo4> mason: ?
231 [03:42:12] <neo4> mason: passed means bypass the topic
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242 [03:58:28] <michael2> my systems locked up - seems to have run out of memory
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247 [03:58:50] <michael2> how can I recover control?
248 [03:59:13] <michael2> <alt + sysrq + f> prints "sysrq: this operation is disabled"
249 [03:59:25] <michael2> why does debian disable OOM killer?
250 [04:02:22] <tomreyn> michael2: oom killer is not disabled in general, but some of the magic sysrq keys are disabled by default since it has been shown that they can provide an attack vector to a local attacker.
251 [04:02:34] <tomreyn> i.e. disabled for security reasons.
252 [04:03:13] <tomreyn> see /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf
253 [04:03:53] <tomreyn> (this path is from an ubuntu system, but i think this is the same on debian)
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257 [04:07:26] <michael2> tomreyn: ok, thanks for explanation :) do you know if I can recover from this situation?
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261 [04:12:18] <tomreyn> michael2: you can still use magic sysrq S U B
262 [04:12:53] <tomreyn> (to get a more 'clean' reboot)
263 [04:14:02] <michael2> no need for REI?
264 [04:14:03] <tomreyn> normally, the oom killer would be invoked automatically, so ideally you shoudl also be able to login on a tty and recover the situation from there.
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266 [04:14:16] <michael2> which I think is R, raw
267 [04:14:18] <tomreyn> REI is not usually needed, no
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269 [04:14:27] <michael2> E, tErm
270 [04:14:39] <michael2> i, kIll
271 [04:15:59] <michael2> yeah, if normally, the oom killer would be invoked automatically, something must have gone horribly wrong for the system to get into this state im thinking?
272 [04:16:06] <tomreyn> if the system is keeping tiself busy with swapping then consider resizing (actually shrinking) swap in the future so that the OOM killer will kick in earlier
273 [04:16:45] <tomreyn> modifying swapiness may also help
274 [04:17:26] <michael2> is the a way if I can confirm whether the current problem actually is caused by the OS constantly swapping?
275 [04:17:39] <tomreyn> obviously the goal should be to never swap in the first place *as the result of running out of memory*
276 [04:19:19] <tomreyn> if you can't get a shell now, dont have a serial / netconsole / TTY open with console messages, it's not so easy, but syslog may still hint on it after reboot
277 [04:19:44] <michael2> but a system that is swapping is just "annoyingly slow" right? this particular system is totally unusable - which I assume is a different problem again?
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279 [04:20:26] <tomreyn> sometimes 'annoyingly slow' can be equal to a DoS
280 [04:20:48] <michael2> tomreyn: I can switch to linux tty's - and I can see all the kernel messages - but system can't start a shell
281 [04:21:35] <michael2> so , what I mean is: in the tty's the kernel messages are being printed into the tty
282 [04:21:40] <tomreyn> so you better reboot and examine the situation afterwards.
283 [04:22:03] <tomreyn> what do the messages say then?
284 [04:22:31] <michael2> "out of memory: kill process (bash)
285 [04:22:49] <michael2> "killed process: awk"
286 [04:23:31] <tomreyn> maybe a misbehaving script which is stuck in a loop.
287 [04:23:48] <michael2> yes, I wrote the script
288 [04:24:08] <tomreyn> without a shell, you wont find out. so you can either keep the system in this effective DoS state where you may get a shell after some hours, or you can reboot it.
289 [04:24:39] <michael2> ok, I'll <sysrq + SUB>
290 [04:24:57] <michael2> btw. why no need for <sysrq + R,E,I> ?
291 [04:25:37] <michael2> isn't sending SIGTERM, SIGKILL a good thing?
292 [04:26:38] <tomreyn> if the system was still operable, it would be
293 [04:27:04] <tomreyn> but in its current state, just syncing and unmounting and reboting is probably the best you can do anyways.
294 [04:27:29] <tomreyn> i.e. services would currentl yhave a hard time doing their shutdown tasks anyways.
295 [04:27:39] <michael2> ah...
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297 [04:28:58] <tomreyn> so try to prevent the system from entering this state again in the future
298 [04:29:15] <michael2> I've completely lost control of system now... <sysrq + S,U,B> is not longer an option - what are the consquences of not running <sysrq + SUB>
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300 [04:29:37] <tomreyn> review your script, make sure the services are configured to never allocate more ram than is physically available
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302 [04:30:05] <michael2> yeah, Im keen to know what I did wrong
303 [04:30:27] <michael2> I can't sync - what does this mean?
304 [04:30:34] <tomreyn> the consequences oof not running sysrq - SUB are that you wont sync and unmount file systems, and wont reboot.
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306 [04:30:55] <michael2> what is syncing
307 [04:30:57] <tomreyn> sync means emptying the storage write cache
308 [04:30:57] <michael2> ?
309 [04:31:19] <RoyK> sync means "write everything to disk now!"
310 [04:31:28] <michael2> ah, ok but Im running ext4 - so that shouldn't matter right?
311 [04:31:44] <tomreyn> i.e. writing out data that was meant to be written to disk (but was cached for a while) now, not delay it further.
312 [04:32:31] <tomreyn> it can matter, if therE's anything in the cache
313 [04:32:41] <tomreyn> ...such data will be lost
314 [04:33:33] <michael2> so basically if I can't sync the harddisk write cache - it means its possible to have lost data, but because ext4 does journaling, I shouldn't need to fsck the disk? is that right?
315 [04:34:22] <tomreyn> you'll still need to fsck, since you have mounted file systems, i.e. their dirty bit is set, and they wont be unmounted cleanly
316 [04:34:40] <tomreyn> also, partial writes may have taken place in this state.
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318 [04:34:58] <michael2> is there a command to check whether a disk needs to be fsck'ed?
319 [04:35:33] <tomreyn> disks dont need to be fsck'd, file systems need to be. and not every file system works the same.
320 [04:35:34] <RoyK> fsck it
321 [04:35:47] <RoyK> michael2: smartctl -a /dev/sdX
322 [04:36:15] <RoyK> michael2: but just fsck the fs if it seems bad
323 [04:36:22] <michael2> does that do the fsck or tell me whether it needs to be checked?
324 [04:36:56] <RoyK> you can try a dry run
325 [04:36:58] <RoyK> read only
326 [04:37:01] <michael2> is it even possible to know if a disk has bad blocks without going over all 320GB's worth of blocks?
327 [04:37:21] <RoyK> but hey - just fsck the disk - it only takes a wee while
328 [04:37:25] <magyar> hi, I'm having issues with my lenovo laptop using stable and the new firefox ESR 60 version, only xrender works but not opengl
329 [04:37:25] <RoyK> umount first
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331 [04:38:24] <michael2> RoyK: ok I'll fsck. so `sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda` is the command to perform the fsck?
332 [04:38:53] <RoyK> michael2: no - smartctl asks the disk's controller how it's doing
333 [04:38:53] <tomreyn> dumpe2fs -h /dev/BLOCKDEV | grep '^Filesystem state:'
334 [04:39:18] <michael2> RoyK: ah, ok
335 [04:39:31] <tomreyn> ^ check file system state according to superblock
336 [04:40:05] <michael2> so do these commands check the filesystems state by inspecting the filesystem's journal?
337 [04:40:35] <RoyK> michael2: umount the fs, fsck it
338 [04:40:54] <RoyK> michael2: the journal isn't used if the filesystem is unmounted properly before checked
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340 [04:43:16] <michael2> tomreyn: ok, so by not sync'ing the disk controllers write cache to disk, I've potentially lost data. is this data that the operating system needs to function, or my data my programs may have been in the process of writing to disk. or both?
341 [04:44:20] <RoyK> ext4 only holds data for a few seconds at most before flushing them
342 [04:44:31] <RoyK> running "sync" will dump them to dosk
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344 [04:44:52] <RoyK> michael2: is this a realtime-database-system?
345 [04:45:05] <RoyK> michael2: or is it a regular file server?
346 [04:45:23] <RoyK> (or webserver or whatever)
347 [04:45:58] <michael2> and this data is being held on the storage chip of the hard disk itself right (usually in the order or 32/64MB)
348 [04:46:06] <RoyK> and again, run "reboot" and the filesystem will be unmounted or at least remounted read-only before the reboot
349 [04:46:41] <RoyK> touch /forcefsck ; reboot
350 [04:46:47] <tomreyn> michael2: can be anything, i wont know. usually thanks to journalling magic you dont actually have data loss, but this isn't guaranteed without syncing.
351 [04:47:34] <RoyK> tomreyn: the reboot command runs "shutdown -r now", shutting things down properly
352 [04:47:42] <michael2> the system is a laptop - no DB or server or SCSI - normal commodity laptop. its currently completely locked up - there is no chance of any control
353 [04:47:49] <michael2> or commands or anything
354 [04:47:58] <RoyK> then just reboot it
355 [04:48:01] <RoyK> no problem
356 [04:48:21] <tomreyn> RoyK: yes, but michael2's system is or was (not sure they sysrq-b'd yet) not responsive so there wont be "shutdown -r now"
357 [04:48:44] <RoyK> tomreyn: then sysrq+s,u,b
358 [04:49:13] <tomreyn> RoyK: that's what we discussed during the past 20 minutes michael2 hasn't yet decided to actually reboot ;)
359 [04:49:40] <RoyK> michael2: do you have a backup?
360 [04:49:48] <michael2> tomreyn: I was hoping it would restore to the point I could at least run <sysrq + SUB>
361 [04:50:08] <michael2> RoyK: yes, but I would lose a weeks work
362 [04:50:33] <michael2> if I needed to go back to backup - but I dont think that much data should be lost
363 [04:50:49] <RoyK> michael2: do you have an active terminal?
364 [04:50:51] <tomreyn> michael2: i see. keep in mind that the data loss will be minimal, some bytes, which pretty much all applications can recover from.
365 [04:51:10] <michael2> RoyK: no
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367 [04:51:23] <RoyK> michael2: then there's nothing to lose
368 [04:51:39] <RoyK> michael2: reboot the PoS and if it doesn't work, go on with recovery
369 [04:51:45] <RoyK> on another machine
370 [04:52:54] <michael2> thats what i figured, the data loss will be limited to only those processes which were actively in the process of writing to disk
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373 [04:53:16] <RoyK> michael2: alt+sysrq S U B
374 [04:53:44] <michael2> RoyK: that wont' work
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376 [04:54:04] <RoyK> if alt+sysrq B doesn't work, something is rather ba
377 [04:54:05] <RoyK> if alt+sysrq B doesn't work, something is rather bad
378 [04:54:10] <RoyK> power it off
379 [04:54:15] <michael2> yes, its bad
380 [04:54:24] <RoyK> poweroff
381 [04:54:27] <RoyK> poweron
382 [04:54:42] <RoyK> check if it comes up again
383 [04:54:58] <michael2> yeah, I have no other choice
384 [04:55:07] <RoyK> no
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386 [04:57:10] <michael2> wait I hit power button and I got a terminal back
387 [04:57:23] <michael2> I wll <sysrq + SUB>
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390 [05:00:54] <tomreyn> so the acpi signal made it operable again, happens sometimes.
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393 [05:01:48] <michael2> yeah
394 [05:01:59] <michael2> trying for a shell now...
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410 [05:05:18] <michael2> wasn't able to get a shell - But I was able to <sysrq + SUB>
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412 [05:06:20] <Noldorin> Hi. I've got a RAID1 array that somehow lost a device. How can I fix this?
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416 [05:07:30] <gerforce> Noldorin: reconnect that driver
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418 [05:07:40] <Noldorin> gerforce, how do I do that?
419 [05:07:53] <Noldorin> I need to do something with mdadm
420 [05:07:57] <Noldorin> but I don't know what
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423 [05:09:54] <tomreyn> Noldorin: first of all you should try to find out why the device was dropped.
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425 [05:10:04] <Noldorin> yeah, I have no idea there
426 [05:10:13] <tomreyn> did you exmaine system logs?
427 [05:10:26] <SerajewelKS> check syslog for a message from mdadm
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429 [05:10:41] <SerajewelKS> if the device really is okay you can put it back with "mdadm /dev/mdN --add /dev/sdXX"
430 [05:10:46] <tomreyn> there's no point in reassembling a mirror raid if a device is bad.
431 [05:10:46] <SerajewelKS> substituting the proper devices, of course
432 [05:11:34] <SerajewelKS> i would suggest checking smartctl output for the drive that failed and looking for signs of failure, too
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434 [05:11:45] <SerajewelKS> if it says the device has bad sectors, there is your answer
435 [05:12:27] <Noldorin> how do I check the system log? I'm really new to this.
436 [05:12:35] <SerajewelKS> less /var/log/syslog
437 [05:13:19] <SerajewelKS> and poke around in there. if you want to see the SMART data for the drive, it's "smartctl /dev/sdXX -a"
438 [05:13:32] <SerajewelKS> but only on the drive (not a partition, i had one extra X in there)
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440 [05:13:40] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, tomreyn this might be relevant: replaced-url
441 [05:14:08] <SerajewelKS> 0 out of 2 mirrors means the whole array is gone
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443 [05:14:21] <Noldorin> there's no smartctl program
444 [05:14:22] <Noldorin> oh?
445 [05:14:45] <SerajewelKS> you have to install it, "apt install smartmon-tools" i think
446 [05:14:48] <Noldorin> but it shows up in cat /proc/mdstat
447 [05:15:04] <SerajewelKS> perhaps that was during early boot and the other device became available later?
448 [05:15:16] <SerajewelKS> was there a power cut or some other unexpected shutdown event?
449 [05:15:19] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, yeah probably
450 [05:15:22] <Noldorin> might have been
451 [05:15:27] <Noldorin> I suspect this happened a while ago
452 [05:15:31] <Noldorin> haven't used it recently
453 [05:15:41] <michael2> tomreyn: oh, man I just saw what I did to crash my system: I wrote a shell function,but inside that shell function definition - due to a copy paste error, I made that shell function call itself! infinite recursion :(
454 [05:15:47] <SerajewelKS> "non-fresh" usually indicates that, during a write operation, one drive was written to but the other wasn't and the array is therefore inconsistent
455 [05:15:56] <tomreyn> Noldorin: if the "kicking non-fresh /dev/sda1 from array!" is the only error message (make sure of this! check smart state first), then reassembling it should be fine.
456 [05:16:02] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: i would double-check the smartctl output
457 [05:16:07] <Noldorin> okay
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459 [05:16:22] <SerajewelKS> if you want to be paranoid, remove the device entirely, wipe the metadata, and re-add it so that it does a full resync
460 [05:16:35] <SerajewelKS> removing the device from the array, i mean
461 [05:16:41] <tomreyn> michael2: \o/ hopefully no lives depends on proper operation of this software.
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466 [05:17:11] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: can you share your /proc/mdstat?
467 [05:17:51] <Noldorin> Personalities : [raid1]
468 [05:17:51] <Noldorin> md0 : inactive sdb1[1](S)
469 [05:17:52] <Noldorin> 1953382469 blocks super 1.2
470 [05:17:52] <Noldorin>
471 [05:17:54] <Noldorin> unused devices: <none>
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474 [05:18:15] <Noldorin> eh, guess a 5 line paste is too much...
475 [05:18:41] <SerajewelKS> "inactive"
476 [05:18:47] <SerajewelKS> so the array isn't running
477 [05:18:51] <michael2> tomreyn: no lives (human, robot or animal) Ive had a crash like this in the past - there was a process attached to git task - it corrupted then entire git repo - (not keen to go through that again)
478 [05:19:26] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, tomreyn also, they're not smart disks aparently
479 [05:19:35] <SerajewelKS> really? that's very surprising.
480 [05:20:00] <SerajewelKS> what happens if you try to start the array?
481 [05:20:25] <tomreyn> Noldorin: pretty much every HDD and SSD support S.M.A.R.T. nowadays.
482 [05:20:46] <tomreyn> !paste | Noldorin
483 [05:20:46] <dpkg> | Noldorin: put your output on replaced-url
484 [05:21:09] <Noldorin> maybe because this is a USB drive? (yeah, I know it's not ideal)
485 [05:21:11] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: "smartctl /dev/sda -a" says what?
486 [05:21:18] <Noldorin> tomreyn, ah. no "it's okay up to X lines rule?"
487 [05:21:18] <SerajewelKS> hah. probably.
488 [05:21:30] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, among other things... SMART support is: Unavailable - device lacks SMART capability.
489 [05:21:49] <SerajewelKS> yeah, USB flash drives likely won't support it. USB HDDs should though.
490 [05:22:03] <Noldorin> so what now? :)
491 [05:22:12] <tomreyn> Noldorin: i don't know the maximum amount of lines you can post freely here.
492 [05:22:34] <tomreyn> buy actual disks
493 [05:22:41] <tomreyn> then try again
494 [05:22:43] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: for starters, run the array. mdstat --run /dev/md0
495 [05:22:55] <SerajewelKS> make sure it's working fine with the one disk
496 [05:23:06] <SerajewelKS> then share /proc/mdstat again
497 [05:23:39] <SerajewelKS> you could also show us "mdadm --detail /dev/md0"
498 [05:23:52] <tomreyn> mirror raid on storage media with unknown and most likely very limited amounts of writes is just a silly plan in the first place.
499 [05:24:38] <tomreyn> hdd's are cheap, ssd's are getting cheaper now.
500 [05:24:57] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, replaced-url
501 [05:25:17] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, running the array gives now output, exits fine, but it's still 'inactive'
502 [05:25:26] <SerajewelKS> if you're mirroring two USB flash drives, it's not really that unreliable since they'll have similar lifetimes. a bit unnecessary, though.
503 [05:25:42] <SerajewelKS> aha. all drives are gone.
504 [05:25:48] <SerajewelKS> it thinks sdb1 is a spare, not a member
505 [05:25:58] <Noldorin> oh heh
506 [05:26:03] <Noldorin> and I see, regarding USB drives...
507 [05:26:33] <tomreyn> yeah, you got data loss there
508 [05:26:47] <SerajewelKS> sda1 might actually be the "good" copy
509 [05:26:58] <SerajewelKS> despite it being "non-fresh"
510 [05:27:04] <SerajewelKS> sdb1 looks hosed, for some reason
511 [05:27:30] <SerajewelKS> you could try adding sda1, running it read-only, and getting your data off onto something else pronto
512 [05:27:39] <SerajewelKS> mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1
513 [05:28:13] <SerajewelKS> mdadm /dev/md0 -o -R
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515 [05:28:18] <SerajewelKS> then show us the detail output again
516 [05:29:05] * tomreyn will waste his time on other things, ttyl
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519 [05:29:54] <Noldorin> okay, thanks
520 [05:30:24] <Noldorin> $ sudo mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1
521 [05:30:24] <Noldorin> mdadm: cannot load array metadata from /dev/md0
522 [05:30:27] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, ^
523 [05:31:43] <SerajewelKS> can you run "mdadm --examine" on both drives?
524 [05:31:48] <SerajewelKS> partitions, i mean
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526 [05:33:34] <michael2> tomreyn: I've rebooted and Im now wanting to test if the disk need to be fsck'ed. but im running full disk encryption via dm-crypt + LVM. do I just run a fsck command against a partion that dm-crypt is exposing? e.g. /dev/mapper/laptop--vg-root ?
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529 [05:34:54] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, replaced-url
530 [05:35:44] <SerajewelKS> michael2: sdb1 definitely looks like it has problems
531 [05:35:54] <SerajewelKS> " Bad Block Log : 512 entries available at offset 72 sectors - bad blocks present."
532 [05:36:03] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: try "mdadm --assemble --scan"
533 [05:36:24] <Noldorin> yeah hmm
534 [05:36:27] <Noldorin> mdadm: Found some drive for an array that is already active: /dev/md0
535 [05:36:27] <Noldorin> mdadm: giving up.
536 [05:37:35] <SerajewelKS> try stopping the array: mdadm /dev/md0 -S
537 [05:38:19] <SerajewelKS> after this it should be gone from /proc/mdstat
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539 [05:40:30] <SerajewelKS> if that is the case let's try bringing the array back with only sda1: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1
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541 [05:41:18] <Noldorin> Sabaku, right
542 [05:41:39] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive - need all 2 to start it (use --run to insist).
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544 [05:42:33] <SerajewelKS> cool. --detail again?
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546 [05:43:30] <SerajewelKS> this is a 2TB drive? what kind of USB drives are these? magnetic?
547 [05:44:27] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, yeah
548 [05:44:31] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, replaced-url
549 [05:44:49] <SerajewelKS> okay so running a RAID on them is less crazy
550 [05:44:57] <Noldorin> good. thought so :-)
551 [05:45:01] <Noldorin> won't fail quite so quickly heh
552 [05:45:14] <SerajewelKS> whoa whoa
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554 [05:45:19] <Noldorin> ?
555 [05:45:23] <SerajewelKS> "Raid Level : raid0"
556 [05:45:40] <Noldorin> ha
557 [05:46:26] <SerajewelKS> that.... cannot be right!?
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559 [05:47:09] <SerajewelKS> can you run "mdadm --examine /dev/sda1" again?
560 [05:47:12] <Noldorin> certainly not what I set up
561 [05:47:14] <Noldorin> originally
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563 [05:47:14] <Noldorin> okay
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565 [05:47:40] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, replaced-url
566 [05:47:55] <SerajewelKS> yeah says right there raid1
567 [05:48:17] <SerajewelKS> well, let's start it read-only and see if it changes. maybe it didn't read the superblock? though that seems odd. *shrug* mdadm /dev/md0 -o -R
568 [05:48:21] <SerajewelKS> then --detail again
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571 [05:51:18] <SerajewelKS> if this doesn't work then i'm out of ideas
572 [05:51:55] <SerajewelKS> if it does, then the array will be available in read-only mode and you should copy this data elsewhere ASAP because sdb has bad sectors, and sda is possibly seriously confused
573 [05:52:09] <SerajewelKS> so you should replace sdb, and you should recreate the array from scratch and then copy the data back
574 [05:53:20] <SerajewelKS> i'd also strongly advise getting a UPS, because a power cut can do crap like this
575 [05:54:23] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, replaced-url
576 [05:54:25] <Noldorin> raid1 :-)
577 [05:54:37] <SerajewelKS> the bad blocks on sdb either were there, the power cut caused them, or the power cut caused corruption in the md superblock that falsely records bad sectors that don't exist
578 [05:54:48] <Noldorin> "were there"?
579 [05:54:54] <SerajewelKS> before the power cut
580 [05:54:57] <Noldorin> ah right
581 [05:55:31] <SerajewelKS> now mount the volume and poke around, see if everything is there
582 [05:55:44] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, it is indeed. very good, thank you.
583 [05:55:53] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, I have to copy elsewhere in order to get this RAID working again, right?
584 [05:56:09] <SerajewelKS> not necessarily, it depends how safe you want to be
585 [05:56:15] <SerajewelKS> is this data critical? do you have backups?
586 [05:56:20] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, yeah I do
587 [05:56:23] <Noldorin> it's synced from elsewhere
588 [05:56:25] <Noldorin> so no big deal
589 [05:56:39] <SerajewelKS> okay. next thing i would do is run a destructive badblocks test against sdb
590 [05:56:44] <SerajewelKS> i am assuming that sdb1 is the only partition?
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595 [06:01:12] <SerajewelKS> if this stuff is synced from elsewhere, why do you need a raid1? :)
596 [06:01:48] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, yeah, just one partition per drive
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598 [06:02:02] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, it wasn't originally synced from elsewhere :-)
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600 [06:02:19] <Noldorin> and this was kind of an exercise in learning about RAID... which I'm clearly deficient in still
601 [06:02:32] <Noldorin> <SerajewelKS> okay. next thing i would do is run a destructive badblocks test against sdb
602 [06:02:35] <Noldorin> so what do we do there?
603 [06:02:45] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: aha. okay, so what you want to do is run a scan of sdb looking for bad blocks. this will destroy all data, but presumably (1) it's gone and (2) sda1 has the data anyway.
604 [06:03:20] <Noldorin> yeah
605 [06:03:23] <Noldorin> sounds fair
606 [06:03:28] <SerajewelKS> badblocks -w /dev/sdb | tee $HOME/sdb-badblocks
607 [06:03:34] <SerajewelKS> (or some other path to store the blocks)
608 [06:03:43] <SerajewelKS> this will write garbage to the disk and try to read it back
609 [06:03:57] <SerajewelKS> if that process fails for any block it will get logged into that file so you have a record of where the bad blocks are
610 [06:04:36] <SerajewelKS> when it's done, we just have to recreate the partition table and add the disk to the array. it will be added as a "replacement" for the old mirror, and dmraid will resync its contents from sda1.
611 [06:04:51] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, this is just to verify the disk hardware is intact still?
612 [06:04:52] <Noldorin> okay
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614 [06:05:46] <SerajewelKS> right, we're making sure there actually are bad blocks and that the "bad blocks" recorded in the metadata were just corruption in the metadata
615 [06:06:00] <Noldorin> makes sense
616 [06:06:06] <SerajewelKS> which seems reasonable
617 [06:06:11] <SerajewelKS> given that the system thought it was a spare
618 [06:08:26] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, okay, so if badblocks succeeds, what are the next commands? sorry for jumping the gun, I just need to get some sleep now. maybe best to try this tomorrow (though we may not catch each other so...)
619 [06:08:39] <SerajewelKS> yeah i hear you, i need to sleep too
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622 [06:08:48] <SerajewelKS> are the two disks exactly the same capacity down to the block?
623 [06:08:54] <Noldorin> I believe so yes
624 [06:09:03] <Noldorin> same model
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626 [06:09:06] <Noldorin> so I'd hope so
627 [06:09:48] <SerajewelKS> if you have sfdisk, you can duplicate the partition layout from sda: sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
628 [06:10:01] <SerajewelKS> once that is done, i *think* you just need to shove sdb1 in the array
629 [06:11:03] <SerajewelKS> mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1
630 [06:11:09] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, okay, which is `mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1` simply?
631 [06:11:11] <Noldorin> heh
632 [06:11:19] <SerajewelKS> then peek in /proc/mdstat and see if the array is repairing/resyncing
633 [06:12:47] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, okay perfect. I'll give that a go tomorrow. thanks a lot for your help and patience.
634 [06:12:56] <SerajewelKS> np
635 [06:13:02] <SerajewelKS> btw, it won't resync in read-only mode
636 [06:13:17] <Noldorin> yeah, I'll make sure it's running in normal mode
637 [06:13:27] <Noldorin> just `mdadm /dev/md0 -R` will do that I guess
638 [06:13:35] <Noldorin> (maybe force?)
639 [06:13:39] <Noldorin> well, time to collapse unconscious
640 [06:13:41] <SerajewelKS> maybe
641 [06:13:47] <SerajewelKS> you could also redo our steps before
642 [06:13:58] <Noldorin> stop-start you mean?
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644 [06:14:10] <SerajewelKS> mdadm /dev/md0 -S ; mdadm /dev/md0 --assemble /dev/sda1 ; mdadm /dev/md0 -R
645 [06:14:13] <SerajewelKS> yeah
646 [06:14:19] <SerajewelKS> then add sdb1
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648 [06:14:31] <SerajewelKS> you may need to fsck the volume in the raid, it probably was not unmounted
649 [06:14:35] <Noldorin> with assemble in between maybe
650 [06:14:42] <Noldorin> okay
651 [06:15:17] <Noldorin> I'll hopefully figure this out
652 [06:15:18] <Noldorin> good night
653 [06:16:03] <SerajewelKS> night
654 [06:16:05] <SerajewelKS> good luck
655 [06:16:11] <Noldorin> ta :-)
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659 [06:24:58] <waveforms> Noldorin: She is a lowly Sylvan elf.
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710 [07:37:03] <man_in_shack> anyone know of a tool to download coverart for an existing music library?
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720 [07:46:42] <rshakin> morning all
721 [07:46:54] <klys> hello.
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723 [07:48:01] <rshakin> i know this is going to be a stupid question but how do i close access to dns port from outside ?
724 [07:48:11] <rshakin> with iptables
725 [07:48:35] <rshakin> i know stupid question but it's been a while since i had to do anything with iptables
726 [07:49:27] <klys> iptables -A ... -j DROP or something like that
727 [07:50:10] <rshakin> ok, it's drop hah that was the problem thanks
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766 [08:50:02] <fadavi> please see my question here: replaced-url
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770 [08:52:52] <Trieste> man_in_shack, I know Amarok had this feature
771 [08:53:02] <Trieste> though it's a bit of an overkill for just something like that I guess
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779 [09:02:37] <man_in_shack> yah
780 [09:02:44] <man_in_shack> i found glyrc
781 [09:03:32] <man_in_shack> spent literally the whole day rebuilding my music collection from backup flacs
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783 [09:04:02] <man_in_shack> so hopefully this will work for coverart
784 [09:04:36] <man_in_shack> then i gotta get exfalso replaygain plugin to run over the whole collection
785 [09:05:04] <man_in_shack> then see if it'll still all fit on a 32GB microsd (:
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816 [09:44:25] <thms> After upgrade, I fail back to initrams not matter if u use bootloader or not, how can i solve this ?
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830 [09:54:15] <taylorbyte> i'm trying to switch back to debian, im on debian bustar at the moment and having trouble getting html5 videos to play in firefox is there a missing package or something i need?
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834 [09:59:28] <klys> taylorbyte, do you have non-free sources enabled? flashplugin-nonfree?
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845 [10:13:00] <at0m> taylorbyte: debian doesn't support downgrades, but you can get buster support in irc.oftc.net/debian-next
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855 [10:21:13] <taylorbyte> klys: no i didnt have non-free but i think by looking at this replaced-url
856 [10:22:09] <taylorbyte> i though web pages that use the html5 player are not using flash at all tho
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859 [10:24:19] <klys> taylorbyte, stable releases have contrib
860 [10:26:05] <at0m> you do not need flash for html5, cos html.
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865 [10:29:46] <taylorbyte> at0m: that what i thought, so how can i get it to work the html5 player says "No video with supported format and MIME type found."
866 [10:31:50] <iflema> find a better video/site?
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868 [10:32:51] <iflema> thats nasty... another
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871 [10:33:46] <dnscat> Hello. I'm attempting to use the nouveau driver but I'm running into some issues. I've put blacklist nouveau in the modprobe.d dir but my goal is that I'm trying to use a second monitor via hdmi and I was told that nouveau must be used to do that
872 [10:33:58] <dnscat> I can paste my output too if need be
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874 [10:35:50] <dnscat> replaced-url
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881 [10:43:50] <dnscat> So I found out my graphics card is an Nvidia GTX 960M
882 [10:43:58] <dnscat> I'll just look into find the drivers for that
883 [10:44:03] <dnscat> payce!
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904 [11:06:45] <comphuse> Just upgraded the kernel to linux-image-4.18.0-1-amd64 on my buster laptop. Now I'm unable to start any virtual machine under libvirt+kvm.
905 [11:06:50] <comphuse> virsh reports:
906 [11:06:52] <comphuse> Just upgraded the kernel to linux-image-4.18.0-1-amd64 on my buster laptop. Now I'm unable to start any virtual machine under libvirt+kvm.
907 [11:06:55] <comphuse> audit trail shows:
908 [11:06:58] <comphuse> type=AVC msg=audit(1536743093.164:427): apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="/usr/sbin/libvirtd" pid=7306 comm="libvirtd" requested_mask="read" denied_mask="read" peer="libvirt-b4816d5b-4bce-4430-afe6-4fb8c5e0362a"
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915 [11:12:29] <pjboro> Hi, guys. I've googled for several minutes, but decided to join you here to ask this question: what is the most proper way of installing a newer version of python in debian? I'd like to install python 3.5.4 on Jessie. Should I use some ready package or compile it myself?
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919 [11:14:04] <comphuse> Now I'm not sure if I should use aa-logprof to allow libvirtd access to ptrace, or should I wait for an update.
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954 [11:41:39] <yokowka> heavenO everysoul!!!! who know, how to clear this system mesages two lines [ 2.617544] ACPI Error [\ PC10 AE_NOT_FOUND (20160831/P [ 2.617552] ACPI Error Method failed [ 02._BCL] (Mode ffff90881a9 AE_NOT_FOUND ??))))
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959 [11:44:30] <petn-randall> Hi yokowka!!!!!
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961 [11:44:47] <yokowka> heavennO petn-randall !!!!
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963 [11:45:20] <petn-randall> yokowka: Haven't we already talked about this a while ago? You don't have find a problem to every warning on the kernel log. This is likely a minor issue in your BIOS.
964 [11:46:32] <yokowka> yep, can you fix this bad system working??
965 [11:47:19] <yokowka> i mean biosystem
966 [11:47:20] <petn-randall> yokowka: Maybe. What issue are you having?
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968 [11:48:34] <yokowka> petn-randall, i wrotu direct you, look my message!!!!))
969 [11:48:48] <yokowka> wrote
970 [11:49:05] <petn-randall> yokowka: That's just a log message. If there is no issue, there is nothing to be done.
971 [11:49:48] <yokowka> petn-randall, let's go to one on one talk??
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978 [11:55:51] <petn-randall> yokoThere is no need. if you have a support issue, we should solve it in this channel. That way everyone can help, and everyone can profit from the solution.
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980 [11:58:47] <yokowka> best, then where to take a support issue, mybe you can look the team wiever??
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982 [11:59:00] <yokowka> *viewer
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990 [12:03:15] <petn-randall> yokowka: We've already talked about this is in the past. There is no issue.
991 [12:03:50] <yokowka> and no dessigion how to fix??
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994 [12:04:42] <neglesaks> Q: The "auto remove at ration" option for individual torrents, does that remove the torrent entry in the client or the entry AND the data (ie total removal)?
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999 [12:07:34] <Habbie> neglesaks, hard to say without more context but my experience in general is that it does not remove the data
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1005 [12:12:08] <neglesaks> ok. I'm not sure what additional context can be given... it's a fairly plain Deluge setup with two folders, one on the host system and one on an attached HDD. But if the general case if that merely the entry is struck, then that's fine - thank you :)
1006 [12:13:14] <Habbie> neglesaks, well, for example, you did not mention Deluge in your question :)
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1008 [12:13:34] <Habbie> neglesaks, i haven't used Deluge but i have used one or two others and those tend to just stop seeding at the ratio
1009 [12:13:47] <TvL2386> neglesaks: I think that's the seed ratio
1010 [12:14:01] <TvL2386> neglesaks: and it would be weird to automatically destroy everything after meeting that ratio
1011 [12:14:19] <TvL2386> neglesaks: I think it means: remove torrent from client and leaves the downloaded data untouched
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1014 [12:19:19] <hexhaxtron> Can someone suggest me a floss alternative to Shoutcast?
1015 [12:19:28] <yokowka> petn-randall, you helpful((
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1017 [12:21:32] <neglesaks> Ah. My bad. I assumed torrent client in quest is Deluge per default as per the channel name :9
1018 [12:21:52] <neglesaks> Thank you TvL2386 and Habbie.
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1020 [12:22:42] <Habbie> neglesaks, what does the channel name have to do with delug?
1021 [12:22:44] <Habbie> +e
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1024 [12:23:34] <neglesaks> oh dear. I apologize. I've marked the wrong channel. :( But your answer were helpful still.
1025 [12:24:55] <alive> nail clipper heh heh heh heh
1026 [12:24:55] <Habbie> haha ok
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1028 [12:25:27] <petn-randall> yokowka: That error is a purely cosmetical and only relevant for BIOS developers. You can ignore it.
1029 [12:27:12] <yokowka> it's not hood, when errors appear, and no matter what kinde of: cosmetical, instrumental, social etc. are them....
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1032 [12:30:39] <petn-randall> yokowka: That might be your opinion, but it's not the Linux way. Windows will hide those messages for you, Linux doesn't.
1033 [12:31:07] <yokowka> but, linux can or not hide??
1034 [12:31:43] <petn-randall> yokowka: Yes. Don't look at the logs.
1035 [12:31:49] <rgr> :)
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1037 [12:32:25] <rgr> or modify the logging level if the thing in question allows (eg vhost logging). But better to be informed generally...
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1076 [13:16:29] <BCMM> sometimes with ACPI it's not so much that Windows hides the errors, but that the firmware only behaves incorrectly with Linux... is this definitely not one of those errors that's fixed by lying to ACPI about what OS you're running?
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1082 [13:22:38] <abrotman> sometimes a newer kernel and/or BIOS will help
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1100 [13:49:55] <dpkg> <enouf> abrotman: you're a turd for insulting retarted people
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1117 [14:05:50] <jolt> hahaha
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1134 [14:24:18] <abrotman> Ah, he was always good for a laugh ..
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1139 [14:26:25] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
1140 [14:26:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc3-686 (4.19~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1);
1141 [14:26:27] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1149 [14:35:49] <petn-randall> BCMM: Linux already does that, and behaves bug-compatible to Windows regarding ACPI implementation. For the exact reason that every mainboard manufacturer tests their hardware against Windows, and nothing else.
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1172 [14:52:43] <oiaohm> petn-randall: not exactly correct on the ACPI either. bug-compatible to Windows with vendors drivers loaded. Yes board vendors make ACPI that is unstable even under windows until you install their drivers.
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1180 [14:56:37] <leonardobbh> Hello for all! I have a question! I bought a Dell Server model T130 and i was installed the last version Debian 9.5 with Xen
1181 [14:56:55] <RoyK> do people still use xen?
1182 [14:57:48] <ntd> T130?
1183 [14:57:54] <ntd> or 310?
1184 [14:58:14] <at0m> RoyK: replaced-url
1185 [14:58:35] <leonardobbh> the Kernel version 4.9.0-7 installed show a kernel panic when is loading with Xen
1186 [14:58:50] <leonardobbh> without Xen load no problem
1187 [14:59:06] <RoyK> at0m: I haven't used it for 10 years or so - I prefer kvm
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1189 [14:59:37] <leonardobbh> But when i put NOPTI on grub.cfg load Xen with no problem
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1191 [14:59:49] <leonardobbh> sorry my English...
1192 [14:59:52] <at0m> RoyK: whatever floats your boat. i don't use either.
1193 [14:59:59] <leonardobbh> ok ok!
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1197 [15:00:57] <leonardobbh> my question is: samebody knows what happen with this kernel?
1198 [15:01:16] <RoyK> leonardobbh: do you have an existing xen setup and want to add nother node, or what's the deal?
1199 [15:01:19] <leonardobbh> KVM is very good too
1200 [15:02:27] <leonardobbh> RoyK - old kernel version work perfect
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1202 [15:02:36] <RoyK> file a bug
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1204 [15:03:27] <leonardobbh> when i run dist-update on Debian... generate this problem
1205 [15:03:31] <oiaohm> leonardobbh: replaced-url
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1208 [15:04:23] <babilen> leonardobbh: You might want to ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net - A bug report would also be appreciated
1209 [15:04:36] <leonardobbh> very good
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1211 [15:04:48] <leonardobbh> i will search this problem
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1213 [15:05:11] <oiaohm> leonardobbh: what version xen? 4.8 or newer I hope.
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1216 [15:05:53] <atralheaven> Hi, I can't install debian, after selecting the install option, a black screen appears and then nothing happens. I googled and tried some of the ways that I found, but I had no success
1217 [15:06:07] <leonardobbh> yes
1218 [15:06:10] <leonardobbh> Xen 4.8
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1220 [15:06:42] <BCMM> petn-randall: sorry, i'd forgotten what the default acpi_osi setting was. should have said that sometimes you need to pretend to have a *specific* version of windows
1221 [15:07:03] <BCMM> due to windows implementing _OSI incorrectly
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1223 [15:07:18] <leonardobbh> Thanks All
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1228 [15:08:41] <atralheaven> I know it has something to do with the graphic card (1060) and the recent kernel version (debian 9.5 stable), but I don't know how to solve it
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1232 [15:14:12] <babilen> leonardobbh: Please ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) about it as we are quite interested in hearing more about your issue
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1238 [15:17:09] <leonardobbh> ok ok
1239 [15:17:13] <leonardobbh> babilen: ok
1240 [15:17:21] <babilen> tas
1241 [15:17:23] <babilen> *thanks
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1243 [15:20:06] <atralheaven> any ideas about the black screen problem...?
1244 [15:20:35] <babilen> atralheaven: You could try the text installer
1245 [15:20:51] <atralheaven> I did, no difference
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1247 [15:21:35] <babilen> 1060 sounds like pretty recent hardware? Is that Kaby/Coffee/... lake?
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1249 [15:23:37] <atralheaven> is there a way to disable nvidia graphic card for installation process? I don't have this option in bios
1250 [15:24:00] <ntd> atralheaven, afaik poweredge servers don't provide PCIE aux power
1251 [15:24:12] <ntd> can a 1060 be powered by the pcie lane alone?
1252 [15:25:01] <atralheaven> I don't know
1253 [15:26:03] <ntd> real easy: does the 1060 have power input connectors?
1254 [15:26:15] <ntd> are they connected to the psu?
1255 [15:26:56] <jelly> dear pulseaudio, why do you keep switching chrome browser processes back to builtin audio instead of usb audio
1256 [15:27:37] <atralheaven> ntd it's a laptop, I can't see it
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1258 [15:27:56] <ntd> ah. a "powerdge t130 laptop"?
1259 [15:27:57] <ntd> i see
1260 [15:28:49] <ntd> maybe the flux capacitor is broken
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1263 [15:30:34] <ws2k3> will openssl go to 1.1.1 on strech?
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1265 [15:30:51] <rant> ,v openssl
1266 [15:30:52] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.0h-4; sid: 1.1.1~~pre9-1
1267 [15:31:31] <rant> ws2k3 prob not
1268 [15:31:43] <rant> why?
1269 [15:31:56] <ws2k3> rant cause of tls 1.3
1270 [15:32:05] <petn-randall> ws2k3: No, only bugfixes go to stretch, not feature updates.
1271 [15:32:44] <rant> ws2k3 you could backport it
1272 [15:32:54] <rant> dpkg ssb
1273 [15:32:54] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1278 [15:36:21] <themill> that's unlikely to work out, given how borked much openssl stuff is in sid atm
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1280 [15:38:03] <FinalX> petn-randall: not entirely true, is it? jessie got 1.0.2 in backports, while jessie had 1.0.1; though 1.1.1 is a whole different thing from 1.1.0 as opposed to what 1.0.2 was to 1.0.1 ..
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1282 [15:39:50] <rant> finalx jessie didnt get that backports did
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1286 [15:40:29] <FinalX> sure, but stretch might still get it in stretch-backports, too
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1288 [15:40:45] <FinalX> it'd still be stretch, in regular repo or not
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1291 [15:41:09] <themill> no, it won't be in stretch ever; it's unlikely to land in stretch backports from what we can currently see
1292 [15:41:13] <rant> likely if what was said about a new tls spec is true and it effects browsing or such it will prob be officially backported
1293 [15:42:12] <jelly> which draft of tls 1.3 do they support anyway
1294 [15:42:31] <rant> regardless one can easily backport it themself
1295 [15:42:33] <jelly> because last time I looked, TLS 1.3 was not close to finished
1296 [15:42:38] <FinalX> themill: I also think that, but then again, in this particular case, there will be a lot of interested (big) parties.
1297 [15:42:43] <FinalX> it's not draft.
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1300 [15:43:08] <FinalX> it was out of draft for weeks now, and yesterday was the final release of openssl 1.1.1 with the same final version of TLSv1.3 as was in -pre9
1301 [15:43:11] <themill> FinalX: being interested doesn't make it work
1302 [15:43:36] <rant> yes well thats what would hold up 1.1.1 is itnot being out of pre release state upstream
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1304 [15:44:07] <FinalX> how is it not? I just said it was out of pre release state since yesterday.
1305 [15:44:32] <rant> its 9am here.. so...
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1307 [15:44:41] <abrotman> bed time for you?
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1309 [15:44:56] <rant> yesterday isnt 6mo ago is all im sayin
1310 [15:45:25] <rant> i just woke up 3hrs ago.. hardly bedtime.. heh
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1338 [16:07:09] <majest1c> I tried installing Realtek HD audio drivers from their own homepage. I followed the install instructions but of course, as always I get errors. replaced-url
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1346 [16:10:20] <rant> majestic how is audio connected? hdmi?
1347 [16:10:58] <rant> realtek snd is pretty wel supported by snd-hda-intel
1348 [16:11:45] <rant> it may just be misconfigured or if its super new need a newer kernel
1349 [16:11:49] <majest1c> rant: I connect my audio with audio-jack
1350 [16:12:44] <rant> are you sure its not working? ie checked its using right output and not muted?
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1352 [16:13:02] <majest1c> I really dont feel like reinstalling the whole operating system. I want to solve this, how hard can it be. It only says "Dummy output" when I choose audio output. Im sure this realtek will solve things.
1353 [16:13:54] <majest1c> rant: I believe the error prohibited the audio driver from installing correctly, so that's why nothing has changed after trying to install the driver.
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1355 [16:14:24] <majest1c> So its not muted or anything, when I change sound in GNOME gui it says "Dummy output" and increases/decreases volume. I need to install that audio driver correctly if I'm gonna have audio output
1356 [16:15:54] <rant> that driver failed to compile, its prob not needed, and def not supporrted here
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1358 [16:16:29] <rant> you should prob be using stock hda intel driver
1359 [16:16:53] <rant> show the audio line from output of lspci -nn
1360 [16:17:21] <majest1c> rant: replaced-url
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1362 [16:17:49] <rant> im on android and you could paste a single line here
1363 [16:17:57] <majest1c> Its several lines
1364 [16:18:08] <majest1c> 00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller [8086:160c] (rev 09)
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1366 [16:18:26] <majest1c> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller [8086:9ca0] (rev 03)
1367 [16:18:36] <rant> hmm
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1369 [16:20:13] <rant> im not familiar with this kinda thin usually a second one is a modem audio or somethin but doesnt seem like thats case here
1370 [16:20:35] <rant> gimme a sec to check those ids against kernel
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1372 [16:22:26] <majest1c> rant: Thanks
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1376 [16:24:00] <rant> yes well my laptop is nearly dead and fingerprint reader was givin me crap but i got in and both those are aliased under snd-hda-intel
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1379 [16:24:21] <rant> however it is possible it requires firmware
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1381 [16:24:46] <rant> is snd-hda-intel loaded in lsmod?
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1383 [16:25:03] <rant> any errors in dmesg?
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1385 [16:26:32] <majest1c> rant: No its not loaded
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1387 [16:27:17] <majest1c> rant: The only two red marked things in dmesg are; 2.053750] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-216f.hcd (-2)
1388 [16:27:24] <majest1c> and; [ 5.291406] psmouse serio1: synaptics: Unable to query device.
1389 [16:27:30] <rant> modprobe snd-hda-intel && dmesg
1390 [16:28:13] <majest1c> rant: That gives me "No such file or directory" along with other things
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1392 [16:28:22] <majest1c> rant: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:192 kmod_module_parse_depline() ctx=0x556aa907c010 path=/lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko error=No such file or directory
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1394 [16:28:35] <majest1c> rant: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'snd_hda_intel': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
1395 [16:29:11] <rant> you prob broke something with that 3rd party crap.. reinstall your kernel
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1398 [16:29:48] <majest1c> rant: So reinstall the whole operating system?
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1400 [16:30:08] <rant> no id try just the kernel for now :p
1401 [16:30:59] <rant> though there is no tellng what else you may have broken trying to hack in a 3rd party audio driver
1402 [16:31:08] <majest1c> rant: Sorry I dont knwo how to reinstall the kernel though,
1403 [16:31:43] <rant> but looks to me like you never got past compiling it so unless you did other steps i doubt you did too much damage
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1405 [16:32:12] <rant> with a package manager like synaptic or apt
1406 [16:32:25] <majest1c> I'll reinstall the kernel, and reinstall the OS, I need to have audio in 30 minutes. What command should I run to reinstall the kernel
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1408 [16:33:00] <rant> apt update
1409 [16:33:00] <apt> extra, extra, read all about it, update is replaced-url
1410 [16:33:14] <greycat> majest1c: apt-get --reinstall install pkg1 pkg2 ...
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1412 [16:33:17] <rant> be sure youre cache is up to date then
1413 [16:33:29] <rant> what greycat said
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1415 [16:34:33] <majest1c> Whats pkg1 pg2 ... ? Should I replace them with all the packages?
1416 [16:34:45] <greycat> whatever is the name of the package you are attempting to reinstall
1417 [16:34:55] <rant> greycat to bring you up to speed this user had downloaded drivers from realtek but ive confirmed their vend prod codes in modinfo for snd-hda-intel
1418 [16:35:04] <rgr> they are examples and not at all helpful. Are you online with that broken kernel?
1419 [16:36:09] <rgr> reinstalling the kernel wont alter the stuff hes modprobing will it?
1420 [16:36:09] <rant> kernel is linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64
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1422 [16:36:41] <rant> it should fix anything the 3rd party crap may have corrupted
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1424 [16:37:12] <rant> he shouldnt be getting file not found modprobing snd-hda-intel
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1426 [16:37:36] <greycat> it's snd_hda_intel not snd-hda-intel
1427 [16:37:41] <majest1c> I just ran "apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64"
1428 [16:37:44] <majest1c> did i fuq up?
1429 [16:38:13] <rant> did it reinstall?
1430 [16:38:21] <majest1c> anyways Im determined to reinstall the OS anyways, I need the audio to work. Its reinstalling now
1431 [16:38:28] <rant> heh
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1433 [16:38:35] <jelly> greycat: you can actually modprobe or modinfo either with _ or with -
1434 [16:38:57] <rant> yes well offhand i see no reason sound would work on stock kernel
1435 [16:39:25] <rant> you just prob had it misconfigured
1436 [16:39:53] <rant> or missing firmware
1437 [16:39:55] <jelly> apt: forget update
1438 [16:39:56] <apt> jelly: i forgot update
1439 [16:40:10] <jelly> apt: stretch
1440 [16:40:19] <jelly> apt: wheezy
1441 [16:40:19] <apt> [wheezy] what fire_hawk thinks Debian 3.0 should be dubbed; Wheezy is the toy penguin from Toy Story 2.
1442 [16:40:34] <rant> but cant tell if you got your system fubar with 3rd party crap we cant suport
1443 [16:40:35] <jelly> apt: you're SO old and going back to being muted
1444 [16:40:55] <rant> heh
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1446 [16:41:10] <majest1c> It ended with "Setting up linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64-dbg (4.9.110-3+deb9u4) ..." now Im back in the terminal
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1450 [16:41:48] <rant> tim doesnt come on anymore but hes still reachable by email i talked to him recently
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1453 [16:41:54] <majest1c> What should I do though, reboot? Should the audio work now or what? Because when I choose audio output now it still says "Dummy output"
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1456 [16:42:38] <rant> you should try again to modprobe snd-hda-intel
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1458 [16:43:03] <majest1c> rant: Now it outputs nothing, I just ran the command
1459 [16:43:11] <acovrig> what group(s) does a user have to be in to be able to ping (otherwise they get “ping: socket: Operation not permitted”)
1460 [16:43:28] <rant> now check dmesg to see if anything new is at the bottom
1461 [16:43:31] <greycat> You need to put the setuid bit BACK ON THE PROGRAM that you removed it from.
1462 [16:43:55] <rant> if not then you can now do basic alsa troubleshooting
1463 [16:44:00] <greycat> Oh, huh, Debian's ping isn't setuid any more...? How did they do that.
1464 [16:44:15] <rant> heh
1465 [16:44:25] <bites> my ping still is.
1466 [16:44:26] <rant> i wondered that myself
1467 [16:44:29] <greycat> acovrig: there is not supposed to be any special group membership required to run ping.
1468 [16:45:07] <greycat> OK, checking a few systems, /bin/ping is setuid in wheezy, but not in jessie or stretch.
1469 [16:45:17] <greycat> acovrig: if you are on wheezy or older, and if you removed the setuid bit on /bin/ping, put it back.
1470 [16:45:22] <rant> i had that issue not long ago unable to ping as user wnd thought wtf?
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1472 [16:46:03] <bites> it can be either setuid or capabilities on debian, i think.
1473 [16:47:24] <majest1c> rant: I'll reboot the laptop
1474 [16:47:25] <acovrig> greycat: I’m on stretch 9.4 with ping utility, iputils-s20161105 with /bin/ping having these perms: -rwxr-xr-x owned by root:root
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1477 [16:47:42] <acovrig> I’m guessing if it was SUID, I’d have an “s” after the last x on ther permissions?
1478 [16:48:21] <jelly> acovrig: no, the first x wouldn't be x but s
1479 [16:48:30] <rant> why the heck would you reboot? heh
1480 [16:48:45] <rant> that dont help troubleshoot..
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1482 [16:49:21] <greycat> the changelog mentions "Remove setuid bits on binaries if setcap succeeds during reconfigure", whatever the hell THAT means... bug #778500 isn't much more clear to me
1483 [16:49:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1485 [16:49:41] <ksk> mhhm, Im on 9.5 and /bin/ping is setuid.
1486 [16:49:42] <bites> check with getcap /bin/ping it has to be either cap_net_raw+ep or setuid.
1487 [16:49:43] <rant> now theyre gonnq have a way harder time seein output of driver in dmesg
1488 [16:49:49] <jelly> acovrig: that is, -rwsr-xr-x. If it had the setuid bit set but not user-executable bit, the s would be uppercased, eg. -rwSr-xr-x
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1491 [16:50:30] <jelly> bites: it may also be none of those, but then ping won't work for normal users
1492 [16:50:38] <rant> majest1c i told you to check dmesg not reboot
1493 [16:51:00] <greycat> wooledg:~$ /sbin/getcap /bin/ping
1494 [16:51:00] <greycat> /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep
1495 [16:51:03] <bites> jelly: yes, that seems to be the problem. that's why i asked them to check.
1496 [16:51:22] <rant> point was to load correct driver and see if it output anything in kernel buffer indicating an issue
1497 [16:51:29] <jelly> greycat: yay, 21st century linux features
1498 [16:51:31] <majest1c> rant: [ 2.041855] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: no codecs found!
1499 [16:51:35] <majest1c> That's the error
1500 [16:51:47] <jelly> majest1c: try a newer kernel.
1501 [16:52:00] <rant> bo wait no
1502 [16:52:09] <acovrig> isn’t getcap a SELinux thing?
1503 [16:52:13] <rant> thete are two cards remember
1504 [16:52:14] <acovrig> or Apparmor?
1505 [16:52:22] <greycat> Trying the backport kernel would be a lot less dangerous than trying to build some 3rd party drivers.
1506 [16:52:31] <rant> thats only one of them.. the 1b one
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1508 [16:52:54] <ksk> acovrig: capabilities are a thing in linux to allow certain users certain things that would otherwise need root
1509 [16:53:00] <majest1c> rant: [ 2.036227] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
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1511 [16:53:08] <majest1c> rant: [ 2.036144] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:03.0: bound 0000:00:02.0 (ops i915_audio_component_bind_ops [i915])
1512 [16:53:12] <majest1c> Those two are yellow marked
1513 [16:53:30] <ksk> "man capabilities"
1514 [16:53:32] <rant> show them your lspci -nn again in pastebin before flowing any advice
1515 [16:53:35] <acovrig> ksk: interesting, that’s handy; also interesting, getcap /bin/ping returns nothing on my system (proxmox)
1516 [16:53:48] <rant> look at the bus addtesses on those messages
1517 [16:53:55] <greycat> !proxmox
1518 [16:53:55] <ksk> !tell acovrig about proxmox
1519 [16:53:55] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
1520 [16:54:01] <greycat> PROBLEM FOUND!
1521 [16:54:14] <rant> one is 03 the othet is 1b
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1524 [16:54:39] <rant> only one of those is your actual card youre concerned about
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1526 [16:54:55] <majest1c> rant: replaced-url
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1528 [16:55:04] <majest1c> Thats my lspci -nn output now after reinstalling kernel
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1530 [16:56:35] <rant> anyone know what that brodwell vs wildvat crap id?
1531 [16:56:40] <rant> is*
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1534 [16:58:01] <rant> id think the 03 broadwell one is the actual sound card
1535 [16:58:21] <jelly> acovrig: is your system a debian container inside a proxmox host, or _the_ proxmox host?
1536 [16:58:32] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: how is the raid reassembly going?
1537 [16:58:37] <rant> either way run alsamixer and or aplay -l and paste that
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1540 [16:59:03] <rant> majest1c pastebin aplay -l
1541 [16:59:09] <majest1c> rant: replaced-url
1542 [17:00:23] <rant> and you dont have hdmi audio like through a tv?
1543 [17:00:38] <rant> cause its not showin the analog
1544 [17:00:51] <rant> just the digital
1545 [17:00:55] <majest1c> rant: No hdmi, its only analog, its a laptop, Dell XPS 13 (9343)
1546 [17:01:18] <rant> hmm..
1547 [17:01:25] <majest1c> You see the audio jack there; replaced-url
1548 [17:01:43] <rant> im in woods on tiny crappy cell phone
1549 [17:01:50] <majest1c> Ah that sucks =/
1550 [17:01:52] <greycat> replaced-url
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1553 [17:02:27] <greycat> It also says "Before installing Debian, update the BIOS to version A02 or later. That fixes some major bugs with trackpad and audio."
1554 [17:02:58] <rant> ah
1555 [17:03:37] <rant> bios bugs.. that does happen </ford prefect>
1556 [17:03:53] <majest1c> I have the latest bios update. This one did not come with Debian preinstalled. It came with only windows. Then I installed debian 9, the audio worked great. Then I installed windows and debian 9 stretch along. So now I have dual boot and here I am with audio issues. My sound didnt work in windows but I installed that Realtek HD Audio driver and it started working. Then I figured I'll try the same in debian
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1558 [17:05:22] <rant> sounds odd.. im still not clear on the two audio devices its the wildcat one havin issues
1559 [17:05:37] <rant> thats the one that said no codecs found
1560 [17:06:00] <rant> both are aliased by snd-hda-intel
1561 [17:06:13] <majest1c> rant: I need to switch from hdmi to analog somehow
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1563 [17:06:45] <rant> yeah well thatd ne easy if there was analog
1564 [17:06:50] <majest1c> playback devices says only hdmi, that's weird since I only have analog output
1565 [17:06:57] <rant> its not showin it
1566 [17:07:18] <rant> you dont have an hdmi por didplayport?
1567 [17:07:38] <rant> bah. hdmi or displayport?
1568 [17:07:46] <majest1c> I have a minidisplayport
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1570 [17:08:06] <rant> well thats what it sees as hdmi
1571 [17:08:13] <majest1c> Damn
1572 [17:08:47] <majest1c> So can't I install a new kernel or something
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1574 [17:09:01] <majest1c> that maybe can recognize my analog output when installing?
1575 [17:09:12] <rant> sure you could try that but i am not sure thats the issue
1576 [17:09:23] <majest1c> rant: Where do I find the name of the newest kernel?
1577 [17:09:34] <greycat> you *have* the current stable kernel.
1578 [17:09:49] <greycat> if you wanted to try a stretch-backports kernel, that's a whole different repository
1579 [17:10:05] <rant> nobody figured out what that other device is?
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1583 [17:11:52] <rant> the 1b bus address one
1584 [17:12:44] <rant> im on an ancient chinese phone on kitkat kinda hard for me to mulitask right now to look into that :p
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1587 [17:13:18] <greycat> He said he had it working out of the box with stretch, but then he reinstalled or something. So it ought to work with the standard stretch kernel *now*.
1588 [17:13:18] <majest1c> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller [8086:9ca0] (rev 03)
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1590 [17:13:24] <rant> idk if thats the anakig sound or just a modem
1591 [17:13:39] <rant> yes wtf is that
1592 [17:13:54] <rant> cause its the other one thats working
1593 [17:15:04] <majest1c> If I want to reinstall my OS, can someone give me a link to a correct iso file of the latest Debian 9 Stretch stable which will install everything I need
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1595 [17:15:27] <majest1c> I will just do it the hard way, it takes less time
1596 [17:15:32] <rant> thats the only device showin errors and may be whete the problem lies
1597 [17:16:09] <rant> when you answer what that is youll know if you need something else or not
1598 [17:16:17] <greycat> rant: replaced-url
1599 [17:16:53] <rant> yeqh but is it saying no codecs found the reason his sound dont work
1600 [17:17:08] <rant> or is it irrelevant to the issue
1601 [17:18:00] <majest1c> Do you guys see any solution to this or should I proceed to reinstall?
1602 [17:18:00] <rant> cause if THAT is his analog sound controller he needs additional software in form of firmware codec or newet kernel
1603 [17:18:16] <greycat> installing firmware certainly wouldn't hurt
1604 [17:18:37] <greycat> but I think your obsession with this particular device is just a red herring
1605 [17:18:42] <rant> if not then its prob just some bios option overriding the analog
1606 [17:18:50] <majest1c> I can check bios
1607 [17:18:51] <jelly> also, alsa sometimes gets regoressions. what worked on 3.16 jessie kernel might be slightly broken on a 4.9 stretch kernel
1608 [17:18:58] <rant> its the only thing comlaining
1609 [17:19:24] <rant> so it seems to be the thing to focus on
1610 [17:19:39] <rant> as its generating the driver message
1611 [17:20:33] <rant> i dont have enough scrollback but he pasted that 1b wildcat thing sayin no codecs from dmesg
1612 [17:21:05] <rant> yet the 03 broadwell u thing is working
1613 [17:21:11] <majest1c> [ 2.041855] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: no codecs found!
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1615 [17:21:53] <rant> if thats just a modem or somethin its irrelevant
1616 [17:22:34] <rant> but if its the problem then we know which device to focus on to check alsa compat issues
1617 [17:23:32] <majest1c> rant: I think I will reinstall, don't you think?
1618 [17:23:42] <rant> id check bios though for sure cause you said it had worked once before and in my lappy i can disable all kinds of cram even my camera
1619 [17:23:55] <majest1c> What in bios should I look for though?
1620 [17:24:00] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, hey. just getting time for it now actually
1621 [17:24:00] <rant> id try newer kernel befote a reinstall
1622 [17:24:07] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, need to go back and look at my logs. :)
1623 [17:24:13] <majest1c> rant: greycat says I have the newest one
1624 [17:24:16] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: hah. ping me if you need help.
1625 [17:24:19] <rant> any audii settings that may be in there
1626 [17:24:21] <Noldorin> thanks
1627 [17:24:54] <majest1c> rant: uname -r gives output; 4.9.0-8-amd64
1628 [17:25:00] <rant> yes newest stable but you could try the 4.17 or w/e from bavkports
1629 [17:25:19] <greycat> replaced-url
1630 [17:25:28] <rant> i realky wouldnt guess at any solution till you know whats what
1631 [17:25:32] <majest1c> rant: I will try with this; linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
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1633 [17:25:55] <majest1c> apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
1634 [17:25:59] <rant> google those two devices and try figure out which one is even really the damn sound card
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1637 [17:26:04] <greycat> majest1c: I said you have the current stable kernel, and that the stretch-backports kernel is in a different repository
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1639 [17:26:47] <majest1c> Ill go into bios and see if there is some audio thing disabled
1640 [17:26:50] <majest1c> brb
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1642 [17:26:59] <rant> cause there is no way to know which errors matter if we dont know which is the card
1643 [17:27:19] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, err, I left badblocks running overnight, and it still hasn't finished haha
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1645 [17:27:40] <Noldorin> nothing found so far though :-P
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1647 [17:27:56] <Noldorin> did about 1TB (half)
1648 [17:28:18] <rant> im gonna have to reboot soon toi heh cause my batt is almost dead gotta swap batteries
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1651 [17:31:35] <jpablo> Hi there, I was trying of install debian, but cant understand why only show options of install from CD
1652 [17:32:11] <jpablo> I'm installing using USB, but in the list of installation dont appear select a network for end the process
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1655 [17:34:03] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: hah. well, writes take time, plus the verification, and it's over USB.
1656 [17:34:08] <Noldorin> yeah
1657 [17:34:13] <Noldorin> half is good enough
1658 [17:34:16] <Noldorin> I'm going to assume it's okay
1659 [17:34:20] <SerajewelKS> k
1660 [17:34:31] <SerajewelKS> if there are bad blocks, the resync will probably catch them
1661 [17:34:44] <SerajewelKS> and fail the drive out
1662 [17:34:52] <Noldorin> true
1663 [17:34:59] <SerajewelKS> i don't know if resyncing does read verification though
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1665 [17:36:51] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, I think my IRC log file got corrupted, rubbish. stupid Textual.
1666 [17:37:01] <rant> jpablo it considers the usb to be a cd
1667 [17:37:13] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, do you have a copy?
1668 [17:37:23] <Noldorin> or could just repaste the commands I need to run now
1669 [17:37:42] <rant> the installer was designed to run on cd and doesnt know the diff
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1678 [17:43:33] <jpablo> rant The machine does not have a USB drive
1679 [17:44:13] <jpablo> and I always install Debian with the netinst and end the process selecting a server
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1681 [17:45:49] <rant> it doesnt matter if you install from a ham n chees sandwich the installer calls it a cd
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1683 [17:47:03] <rant> and yes usually selectin a mirror is part of the procedd
1684 [17:48:05] * rant just installed a ham n cheese in his mouth ..
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1686 [17:50:23] <rant> if i were to guess you got a message saying something to the effect it couldmt load components from the cd
1687 [17:50:54] <rant> which prob means your install media is corrupt
1688 [17:51:08] <rant> and is why youre missing steps
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1690 [17:51:53] <rant> rewrite and verify your install media
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1693 [17:52:52] <rant> there will always be a 'cd' from which other installer components are loaded
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1695 [17:53:55] <rant> fyi to anyone im talkin to my batt is at 4% and will die shortly :p. pretty sure i got another charged battery though
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1723 [18:11:18] <HardlyHardware> Incoming stupid question...... Why did you choose Debian? What are the main advantages to you?
1724 [18:11:35] <kirk781> HardlyHardware, rock stable.
1725 [18:11:56] <kirk781> Also, acts as upstream for stuff like Ubuntu, Mint[?], Elementary OS.
1726 [18:12:21] <kirk781> One can switch to Debian Testing[I've] if newer packages are wanted[and it's quite stable either].
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1728 [18:12:37] <RoyK> HardlyHardware: upside: stability, downside: packages not really updated that frequently
1729 [18:12:44] <RoyK> nd don't use testing
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1732 [18:13:19] <RoyK> s/nd/and/
1733 [18:13:21] <HardlyHardware> Debian Sid is too dodgy?
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1735 [18:13:41] <greycat> sid is unstable, not testing
1736 [18:13:43] <RoyK> HardlyHardware: Sid is the kid that breaks toys
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1739 [18:14:18] <teclo-> some people complain that "Debian [stable] has old versions of everything"
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1741 [18:14:31] <teclo-> well then use Debian testing ;)
1742 [18:14:44] <RoyK> !testing
1743 [18:14:44] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
1744 [18:15:21] <kirk781> Is there any distro that updates things slower than Debian[Cent OS perhaps?] ?
1745 [18:15:28] <greycat> CentOS for sure
1746 [18:15:37] <HardlyHardware> moving target security.... ah that sounds like a decent reason not to use it
1747 [18:15:49] <RoyK> centos/rhel are incredible conservative
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1749 [18:16:14] <kirk781> Cent OS is quite lacking on packages too.
1750 [18:16:21] <RoyK> ubuntu is like debian being a 14-years-old and wanting to try out things earlier
1751 [18:16:26] <kirk781> Fedora is bleeding edge
1752 [18:16:34] <HardlyHardware> Tried fedora
1753 [18:16:36] <HardlyHardware> It broke
1754 [18:16:47] <RoyK> for server: debian
1755 [18:16:47] <kirk781> Ubuntu certainly is the most popular Debian-derived distro.
1756 [18:16:52] <RoyK> for desktop: usually ubuntu
1757 [18:16:55] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, well, poke me when you're back :-)
1758 [18:17:03] <teclo-> yeah CentOS is "slower than Debian GNU/Linux"
1759 [18:17:18] <RoyK> for server things needing newer things than debian stable: a VM with some fancy software
1760 [18:17:20] <HardlyHardware> So your not using Debian as a Desktop?
1761 [18:17:21] <kirk781> Reminds me; does anyone use GNU/Hurd ?
1762 [18:17:23] <teclo-> but well, CentOS is basically "The same as RHEL except we don't have to pay for it"
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1764 [18:17:46] <RoyK> kirk781: replaced-url
1765 [18:18:03] <HardlyHardware> GNU/Turd?
1766 [18:18:04] <teclo-> so I'd say you should use CentOS only if you must (or want to) have a machine which is "exactly like RHEL"
1767 [18:18:17] <HardlyHardware> Does GNU/Hurd even work?
1768 [18:18:25] <teclo-> or CentOS is useful if you wanna do the RHCE certification :P
1769 [18:18:30] <RoyK> HardlyHardware: see that xkcd ;)
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1771 [18:19:00] <teclo-> heh
1772 [18:19:12] <kirk781> RoyK, lol
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1774 [18:19:26] <teclo-> well GNU/Hurd boots, can be installed on a machine
1775 [18:19:47] <teclo-> but there's not much else in GNU/Hurd, almost no drivers except for NICs
1776 [18:20:12] <RoyK> kirk781: note the mouseover ;)
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1779 [18:20:25] <kirk781> RoyK, I saw it. "There's a man who believed it"
1780 [18:20:27] <teclo-> actually I'm not sure there's still someone "busy with it"
1781 [18:21:02] <teclo-> there was that Thomas Bushnell fellow
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1783 [18:21:08] <kirk781> It's been quite some time since I distro-hopped.
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1800 [18:30:08] <HardlyHardware> kirk781 Some one mentioned Debian is Ubuntu without the training wheels. Would that be accurate?
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1804 [18:31:15] <greycat> Distro comparisons should be done in a neutral channel like ##linux. You're going to get biased answers here.
1805 [18:31:22] <kirk781> HardlyHardware, lol yes. Ubuntu is one of the most user friendly distros[along with Mint]. A lot of people around me use Linux and nearly all of it is Ubuntu.
1806 [18:31:36] <kirk781> Ubuntu, atleast here, has become synonymous with Linux[ and coding]
1807 [18:31:52] <greycat> you misspelled coddling ;-)
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1810 [18:32:35] <kirk781> I hate Ubuntu because everything just works there. There's no fiddling about or things breaking down
1811 [18:32:40] <petn-randall> *culling
1812 [18:33:05] <HardlyHardware> greycat well I was thinking of trying Arch then I thought maybe I should just go for Debian since its the upstream of alot of distros
1813 [18:33:35] <greycat> If you've got enough time to kill, go ahead and try them both (all) and pick whichever you like most.
1814 [18:33:39] <kirk781> HardlyHardware, Arch is a rolling release distro and will require quite a lot of time to configure
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1818 [18:33:59] <kirk781> Though installing Arch leads to a lot of frustration, it teaches a lot as well
1819 [18:34:00] <petn-randall> HardlyHardware: I'd say it's a lot more stable than Ubuntu, but it also has a different development process than makes most software older on the release day.
1820 [18:34:03] <HardlyHardware> kirk781: I have some time but not unlimited.
1821 [18:34:10] <kirk781> Also, you can then say "BTW, I use Arch"
1822 [18:34:27] <damarusama> I can systemd start (process) but when I systemd enable (process) I get Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
1823 [18:34:40] <kirk781> For people with unlimited time, Gentoo is good. It makes people lose their will to live.
1824 [18:34:42] <greycat> damarusama: what is the actual name of the service you are attempting to enable?
1825 [18:34:56] <damarusama> ghost_blog-gnt-design.service
1826 [18:35:06] <HardlyHardware> Definitely don't have unlimited time
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1828 [18:35:09] <damarusama> it's a process that was created for a ghost blog
1829 [18:35:23] <damarusama> the file is there - not sure how enable is different than start
1830 [18:35:28] <HardlyHardware> Gentoo seems like mission impossible
1831 [18:35:41] <HardlyHardware> Compile every thing from source. Like BSD but not as straight forward
1832 [18:35:51] <greycat> damarusama: what does "systemctl status ghost_blog-gnt-design.service" say? Read EVERY single thing. Pastebin it if you can.
1833 [18:36:26] <HardlyHardware> Using Gentoo may remove some years from my life.
1834 [18:37:03] <damarusama> replaced-url
1835 [18:37:24] <damarusama> it says loaded but disabled?
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1837 [18:38:07] <greycat> it also says your service file is in /var/replaced-url
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1839 [18:38:47] <HardlyHardware> So Debian is Stable. Has problems some times. Needs more knowledge to fix issues. But not the same degree of time as Arch or Gentii
1840 [18:38:57] <HardlyHardware> So its more usable?
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1842 [18:39:02] <greycat> are you sure you typed the "systemctl enable" command correctly? the combination of _ and - in the filename would drive me batty.
1843 [18:39:29] <HardlyHardware> Plus has the advantage of being upstream to popular distros so helps with knowledge of how those distros work under the hood as well?
1844 [18:39:38] <damarusama> there is a a ln in my /var/systemd/system/ should I just have the file there?
1845 [18:39:42] <damarusama> let me try it again
1846 [18:40:19] <atralheaven> Hi, I wanted to install debian on my machine but after selecting install from the menu, a black screen appears and nothing happens. I googled and tried some of the ways I found, but I had no success. the graphic card is nvidia 1060 and I can't set my laptop to use only intel graphic card.
1847 [18:40:21] <greycat> ls: cannot access '/var/systemd': No such file or directory
1848 [18:40:32] <greycat> You are not using Debian. Find out where you should be.
1849 [18:41:03] <damarusama> greycat: sorry /lib/systemd/system
1850 [18:41:27] <greycat> *plonk*
1851 [18:41:57] <queip> atralheaven: try vga=... options to grub
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1855 [18:42:53] <damarusama> greycat: so I copied the file instead of having a link and that did the trick, enable works now
1856 [18:43:00] <damarusama> thanks for the suppor
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1858 [18:43:16] <queip> damarusama: he polnked you
1859 [18:43:24] <queip> plonked
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1861 [18:43:43] <atralheaven> may you tell me how? is it in a file or just "e" on grub list?
1862 [18:43:57] <atralheaven> and what should I set it to?
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1864 [18:44:10] <queip> atralheaven: just "e". google examples of using vga option in grub
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1866 [18:44:26] <damarusama> yeah I know how debian are so nazy about not helping other distro
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1868 [18:44:37] <queip> if you suspect this is graphical card related problem
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1871 [18:46:37] <queip> atralheaven: eg replaced-url
1872 [18:47:17] <atralheaven> damarusama: it's not just about debian channel, you should just ask in the right place, if your question is not related to debian.
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1875 [18:48:17] <atralheaven> queip: yes I suspect the graphic card, I will try that, thank you :)
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1877 [18:49:01] <queip> atralheaven: there exist other special grub/kernel flags to help, also doesn't debian installer have a key for safe mode? but if it fails before saying een that try grub things
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1891 [18:54:30] <sebboh> What thing is responsible for creating /dev/cpu/?
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1893 [18:54:51] <sebboh> in buster/sid, that is.
1894 [18:55:18] <petn-randall> sebboh: It's mounted/populated by udev.
1895 [18:55:26] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1896 [18:55:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1897 [18:55:38] <petn-randall> sebboh: This might be relevant if you have follow-up questions. ^^^
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1900 [18:56:05] <sebboh> thanks
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1917 [19:05:08] <HardlyHardware> So you use Debian as your Desktops?
1918 [19:05:15] <HardlyHardware> Or just servers as you were saying
1919 [19:05:43] <HardlyHardware> It sounds like it will be a distro closer to the metal so to speak than the buntus
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1921 [19:06:26] <majest1c> greycat: I reinstalled debian, but now its the same again. No audio...
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1923 [19:06:39] <ntd> well, if debian could only get their grub signed for secure boot *or* sign it and publish the setup key
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1927 [19:07:28] <majest1c> replaced-url
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1929 [19:07:36] <SopaXorzTaker> ntd, secure boot is an evil invention of Microsoft used to monopolize the market
1930 [19:07:50] <SopaXorzTaker> It's "secure" as in "securing the market share of crappy OSes"
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1932 [19:08:02] <HardlyHardware> yeah
1933 [19:08:07] <HardlyHardware> Glad Debian doesn't do that
1934 [19:08:27] <ntd> what?
1935 [19:08:31] <HardlyHardware> That requires putting Microsoft code into the Kernal to let it boot
1936 [19:08:33] <HardlyHardware> No thanks
1937 [19:08:41] <HardlyHardware> Rather just choose different hardware
1938 [19:08:47] <HardlyHardware> Or Coreboot or some thing
1939 [19:08:47] <ntd> publishing a signed grub or getting their grub signed would not be to debs detriment
1940 [19:09:27] <sebboh> HardlyHardware: I don't think it requires microsoft code. It just requires the bootloader to be signed and for that signature to be accepted by the secure boot code on the hardware.
1941 [19:10:20] <HardlyHardware> sebboh: From what i'd read about it. Microsoft was requiring a binary blob be placed into the kernel just to allow it to be signed
1942 [19:10:23] <sebboh> HardlyHardware: there are good reasons to give money to good hardware vendors and don't give it to bad hardware vendors, but "microsoft code in the kernel" isn't a thing related to secure boot.
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1944 [19:11:18] <sebboh> HardlyHardware: Oh! That is information I didn't have. Thanks. Could be. But who cares? I don't want M$ signing my stuff. :) I need a secure boot that will let me provide my own CA.
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1948 [19:11:42] <sebboh> (I don't know if anything like that exists, I just learned something about secure boot yesterday.)
1949 [19:12:00] <sebboh> cya
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1959 [19:17:55] <SopaXorzTaker> HardlyHardware, M$ wants their own binary blobs in the kernel?
1960 [19:18:06] <SopaXorzTaker> Could you refer me to a relevant article, that's really interesting
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1963 [19:21:18] <HardlyHardware> SopaXorzTaker: Read about it a long time ago. I think Redhat went along with it and patched their own kernal but it didn't make it into the upstream since Linus Tovards didn't particularly want MS code in the main kernal
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1965 [19:21:41] <HardlyHardware> Do a search about it
1966 [19:21:46] <oiaohm> HardlyHardware: I think you miss read.
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1970 [19:22:27] <oiaohm> HardlyHardware: Microsoft was mandating that all drivers be signed by a CA that would be placed in the signed kernels. Ie distributions own CA. Of course this purely nukes Nvidia driver install.
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1973 [19:23:16] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, but they agreed to sign RH's bootloader in the end
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1975 [19:23:28] <SopaXorzTaker> what was the condition, I wonder
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1979 [19:24:48] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: replaced-url
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1981 [19:25:33] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: the bootloader is signed and the Linux kernels it agreed to load in secureboot mode had to have module signing inside.
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1983 [19:25:43] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, but why?
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1985 [19:25:57] <oiaohm> It was the rules Microsoft had come up with.
1986 [19:26:05] <SopaXorzTaker> Why does M$ worry so much about the code running on "its" hardware
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1988 [19:26:36] <SopaXorzTaker> The more I research Secure Boot and such, the more I feel like I don't own my PC but am leasing it from someone
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1992 [19:26:58] <SopaXorzTaker> Also, Intel ME too
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1994 [19:27:24] <HardlyHardware> SopaXorzTaker: and Intel ME at your core
1995 [19:27:25] <oiaohm> Now if you replace the platform key and put in your own KEKs you would not have to have Microsoft setting rules.
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1997 [19:27:46] <oiaohm> But no bios makes the process of replacing platform key and KEK painless process.
1998 [19:28:24] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, the "KEK" abbreviation sounds like a stupid fascist meme. Does it actually stand for "Kernel Encryption Key" or something like that?
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2000 [19:29:11] <HardlyHardware> also sounds like another form for laugh. kek kek kek
2001 [19:29:19] <HardlyHardware> Maybe Microsoft laughs if it works
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2003 [19:29:45] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: KEK is UEFI "Key Exchange Key" Its the key that EFI itself uses to decide if your bootloader is acceptable or not.
2004 [19:30:14] <oiaohm> PK/Platform key is used to sign all the KEK that the system will accept.
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2007 [19:31:20] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, that sounds like PKI
2008 [19:31:26] <oiaohm> Of course Microsoft KEKs(yes Microsoft has more than 1) is being put in most UEFI installs by default and this is why distributions had to go hat in hand to microsoft and say please sign out bootloader.
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2011 [19:31:56] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: yep it a stack of PKI
2012 [19:32:11] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, isn't the PKI stuff inherently broken by design?
2013 [19:33:31] <oiaohm> X.509 certificate format that is used in UEFI is not broken.
2014 [19:33:42] <oiaohm> But the tree effect is a pain.
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2016 [19:35:21] <oiaohm> The public and private keys make it hard SopaXorzTaker. Since installed platform keys and the keys in the kek and keys in the bootloader and keys in the kernel are all public keys.
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2018 [19:35:49] <oiaohm> You need the private keys to sign anything as approved.
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2021 [19:40:42] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: replaced-url
2022 [19:41:02] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, I just have UEFI secure boot disabled
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2024 [19:41:09] <SopaXorzTaker> Thankfully Lenovo is not dumb
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2026 [19:42:27] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: some UEFI firmware the only way to disable secure boot is delete the platform key and boot in setup mode.
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2028 [19:42:57] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, how about not purchasing hardware that's defective by design?
2029 [19:43:32] <oiaohm> You pay more for that.
2030 [19:43:42] <oiaohm> A lot more like power pc motherboards.
2031 [19:44:09] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, well, I just got lucky with this Lenovo machine
2032 [19:44:18] <SopaXorzTaker> but God knows what's the Intel ME doing
2033 [19:44:46] <kirk781> I was trying to install Windows' on a friend's machine recently and UEFI was giving so many issues.
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2036 [19:46:37] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: the power pc the me equal is open source and you can replace it.
2037 [19:47:10] <oiaohm> kirk781: yep UEFI can hate everyone.
2038 [19:47:27] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, what about ARM?
2039 [19:47:33] <SopaXorzTaker> or RISC-V, even better
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2041 [19:47:45] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: there are no decent arm or risc-v chips for desktops yet.
2042 [19:47:58] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, well, there are decent arm machines and SBCs
2043 [19:48:03] <SopaXorzTaker> (see ODROID)
2044 [19:48:11] <SopaXorzTaker> Pine64, etc
2045 [19:48:24] <oiaohm> Most of those have hidden firmwares in them.
2046 [19:48:42] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, indeed, the bootloaders are in ROM and proprietary
2047 [19:48:45] <oiaohm> the power pc one you have the full silicon design
2048 [19:48:51] <oiaohm> full roms
2049 [19:48:53] <SopaXorzTaker> which PowerPC one?
2050 [19:48:55] <oiaohm> full everything
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2052 [19:50:31] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: replaced-url
2053 [19:50:41] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: its a full open platform.
2054 [19:51:16] <petn-randall> Hi, is there any tool in Debian to conveniently do DNSBL lookups? Constructing the correct query can be tedious, and also the result has to be checked by hand.
2055 [19:51:31] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, hmm
2056 [19:51:56] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, expensive as hell
2057 [19:52:13] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: I know.
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2059 [19:52:35] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: if you are needing complete validation you would pay that.
2060 [19:53:18] <FightingFalcon> well no
2061 [19:53:18] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, what prevents them from shipping different silicon, though?
2062 [19:53:26] <FightingFalcon> majestic says the link is deleted but its not
2063 [19:53:26] <FightingFalcon> sigh
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2065 [19:54:01] <SopaXorzTaker> I suppose designing and fabricating your own CPU from scratch, manually, without any computing devices whatsoever is the uber-paranoid way
2066 [19:54:34] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: since you have the full silicon design you could do destructive testing to make sure they are providing what they should be.
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2070 [19:55:08] <oiaohm> SopaXorzTaker: I don't really know way of inspecting silicon without cutting the chip into bits.
2071 [19:55:13] <SopaXorzTaker> oiaohm, well, even if you do
2072 [19:55:26] <SopaXorzTaker> there's still a probability of sneaking in a backdoor in SOME of the devices
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2075 [19:55:45] <SopaXorzTaker> like, if you order a large batch, you're likely to destroy only the very first chips
2076 [19:56:36] <oiaohm> Something that would be cool is if someone invented way of inspecting silicon without having to be destructive.
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2085 [20:02:04] <SopaXorzTaker> well, clear packages with a window that allows them to be put into a SEM and scanned?
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2087 [20:02:29] <SopaXorzTaker> also, what prevent one from altering say, a single transistor to make a hidden privilege escalation backdoor?
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2092 [20:06:04] <SerajewelKS> Noldorin: sorry i am back, what's up?
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2126 [20:28:14] <trysten> What is the proper way to populate authorized_keys on an automatically installed system? I couldn't find anything specific in the debianinstaller modules so i'm going to try to use d-i preseed/late-command to install the key
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2128 [20:28:48] <trysten> also, i don't seem to have debconf-get-selections. where does it come from?
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2133 [20:30:12] <RoyK> trysten: did you mean dpkg --get-selections ?
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2137 [20:32:14] <LtL> trysten: there is a debconf-set-selections but not *get* afaik
2138 [20:32:43] <bites> debconf-get-selections is in the debconf-utils package.
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2156 [20:45:29] <trysten> Excellent, thank you bites
2157 [20:45:54] <trysten> I suppose I should know the command to answer that question by now.
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2171 [20:52:19] <lindylex> Debian testing stop play videos on Facebook.
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2173 [20:52:52] <greycat> \o/
2174 [20:52:52] <bites> it's a good thing, right?
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2200 [21:13:22] <NetTerminalGene> debian protects you from facebook
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2204 [21:14:29] <HardlyHardware> about to trial Debian for a while
2205 [21:15:07] <HardlyHardware> about to trial Debian for a while
2206 [21:15:51] <NetTerminalGene> try
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2239 [21:37:06] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, hi
2240 [21:37:17] <Noldorin> SerajewelKS, so... my silly IRC client somehow managed to lost my logs from yesterday
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2242 [21:37:22] <Noldorin> where were we? :)
2243 [21:37:29] <Noldorin> (maybe you can just paste the logs for me?)
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2254 [21:43:37] <rant> Noldorin: you have a debian issue you care to discuss?
2255 [21:44:09] <Noldorin> rant, yeah, SerajewelKS and I were working on recovering my software RAID (on Debian)
2256 [21:44:44] <rant> disk failure/replacement rebuild?
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2268 [21:51:20] <jhutchins_wk> 1log
2269 [21:51:27] <rant> Noldorin: thing is this is a support community.. and you seem to be uding it like a private query window that user was active hours ago and obviously you dont know them that well or youd know their schedule and contact them privately.. my suggestion is you explain your issue as it stands and let others help you
2270 [21:51:41] <jhutchins_wk> !log
2271 [21:51:41] <dpkg> Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>.
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2273 [21:51:54] <Noldorin> !irclog
2274 [21:51:54] <dpkg> i heard irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
2275 [21:51:57] <Noldorin> ah nice
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2277 [21:52:44] <Noldorin> rant, well, it would take rather long to explain my current situation to someone new (I'm not even sure I could do it competently.) seems like it wouldn't be constructive, and rather just wasting someone's time.
2278 [21:52:55] <Noldorin> but now we have logs...
2279 [21:52:58] <Noldorin> anyone can see :-)
2280 [21:53:00] <Noldorin> including myself
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2283 [21:54:11] <jelly> maybe, but you're not paying that anyone enough to look at yesterday's logs at some indeterminate time to hunt for your issue
2284 [21:54:17] <jelly> summarize.
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2286 [21:54:32] <rant> yeah and youre the only one who cares.. we need you to ask a question cause were busy doin otjer things unlesd you wanna pay someone
2287 [21:54:52] <jelly> are you on mobile again rant
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2289 [21:55:21] <greycat> If a problem can't be explained in about 300 characters, then IRC is probably not the best place to seek help. Try a mailing list, Usenet, web forums.
2290 [21:55:44] <jhutchins_wk> I think he's off reading logs.
2291 [21:55:49] <jelly> Usenet still exists?!
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2293 [21:56:03] <greycat> It does, or so I've been told on mailing lists.
2294 [21:56:09] <greycat> I haven't personally used it in many years.
2295 [21:56:24] <rant> yeah i havent left the woods in like 2 days.. heh bout to leave now though very lil resources left here
2296 [21:57:05] * rant cant find his left sock
2297 [21:57:45] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: It still exists, but I don't think there's any free access any more, it's all by subscription.
2298 [21:58:17] <Noldorin> jelly, rant I'm not demanding your help though... I don't think you understand. I'm quite happy to wait until SerajewelKS is back ;-)
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2301 [21:58:37] <jhutchins_wk> Still used extensively for distributing pirated TV shows.
2302 [21:58:55] <greycat> Most people use bit torrent for that.
2303 [21:59:55] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: If you want to summarize where you are and what you need now, there are a lot of people here who might be able to help. 1124 current users.
2304 [21:59:59] <rant> yeah well thats not very polite to use this channel for that if that user wanted to give ongoing personal attention they wouldve had you do it privately
2305 [22:00:29] <jhutchins_wk> rant: Actually, even 1:1 help is best done here so it can be scrutinized by the crowd.
2306 [22:00:33] <Noldorin> rant, your nickname is rather accurate, I must say.
2307 [22:00:37] <jelly> well that's a bit disingenous, there's never 1124 active and clueful users at the same time
2308 [22:00:37] <Noldorin> jhutchins_wk, fair point
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2310 [22:01:22] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: If you'd like to type up a summary and pastebin it somewhere that would be a good way to re-start the process.
2311 [22:01:35] <Noldorin> first things first: is there any way to recover today's logs? I can only seem to get yesterday's
2312 [22:03:03] <Noldorin> that would help me write up a summary
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2323 [22:16:03] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: Those logs are statically generated, probably by a daily cron job. They're not dynamic.
2324 [22:16:18] <jhutchins_wk> I would guess the timestamps are GMT.
2325 [22:17:37] <Noldorin> right
2326 [22:18:09] <Noldorin> well, to the best of my memory, the next step I need to do is a block by block copy from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 (sdb1 is the partition for the disk that had its data corrupted).
2327 [22:18:11] <Noldorin> forget how though
2328 [22:18:34] <greycat> !ddrescue
2329 [22:18:34] <dpkg> dd_rescue (packaged for Debian as ddrescue) is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. Unlike dd, dd_rescue will keep going on despite errors. It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards. replaced-url
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2334 [22:20:54] <Noldorin> greycat, well my other partition is 100% okay. so I think I just need to do a block-by-block copy
2335 [22:20:58] <Noldorin> (the drives are identical)
2336 [22:21:03] <Noldorin> no?
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2339 [22:21:30] <greycat> How would I know? Do whatever you think is right. Make sure the partition you're copying from is NOT mounted read-write.
2340 [22:21:44] <trysten> How should I enable a unit file during installation?
2341 [22:21:56] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: rsync.
2342 [22:22:04] <Noldorin> greycat, okay fair heh
2343 [22:22:09] <trysten> like, from the preseed file I did a `systemctl enable unit.service` which obvoiusly didn't work because systemctl isn't online yet
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2345 [22:22:12] <greycat> Note, rsync copies files, not raw disk blocks.
2346 [22:22:14] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: Actually, this is/was a RAID?
2347 [22:22:17] <trysten> so is it safe to create the proper symlink manually?
2348 [22:22:18] <Noldorin> jhutchins_wk, yeah
2349 [22:22:31] <ctcx> If making changes to /etc/rc.local and /etc/profile, is it enough to just logout and login again, or do I need to reboot system?
2350 [22:22:43] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: In that case, you want to use the RAID software to re-initialize the disk.
2351 [22:22:53] <greycat> /etc/profile is read by login shells, so rebooting would be silly. /etc/rc.local is read at boot time only.
2352 [22:23:07] <ctcx> Thanks sir.
2353 [22:23:09] <greycat> Those are two entirely separate files, for two entirely separate questions.
2354 [22:23:17] <ctcx> Ouch
2355 [22:23:18] <ctcx> Sorry
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2359 [22:25:08] <Noldorin> jhutchins_wk, okay, so sda1 is actually my good partition right now: md0 : active raid1 sda1[0]
2360 [22:25:36] <Noldorin> can I just do a block copy to the bad disk?
2361 [22:25:54] <greycat> why are you copying TO a bad disk?
2362 [22:26:17] <Noldorin> greycat, it's not damaged hardware, just some bad blocks due to a power surge I think
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2365 [22:27:03] <greycat> so what you REALLY want is to treat this corrupted (not bad, not damaged) disk as a fresh blank disk, and simply add it to an existing MD array and let MD resync it?
2366 [22:27:09] <jelly> Noldorin: then just (re-)add the members and let md rewrite
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2368 [22:28:01] <Noldorin> greycat, jelly ah yes, you could be right. any pointers how to do that correctly? I'm afraid if I do it wrong, it will sync from the corrupted disk to the uncorrupted one, not vice versa as it should
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2370 [22:28:53] <jelly> your raid1 array has only one member at present. That will be the source, unless you somehow manage to nuke this array and create a completely different one
2371 [22:29:08] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: No backups?
2372 [22:29:32] <jhutchins_wk> Noldorin: Be sure to label the physical drives.
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2374 [22:30:00] <jelly> if you really want to and can identify problematic sectors, you can force remapping of bad sectors with hdparm tool.
2375 [22:31:01] <greycat> I think that he thinks that there are no bad sectors, only data corruption.
2376 [22:31:32] <jelly> <Noldorin> greycat, it's not damaged hardware, just some bad blocks due to a power surge I think
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2386 [22:38:46] <Noldorin> jelly, yeah I recovered it to that point last night. that's the good disk. so if I just add the corrupted disk now... it should repair it?
2387 [22:39:12] <Noldorin> jhutchins_wk, as in physically label?
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2389 [22:40:17] <greycat> google found me this replaced-url
2390 [22:40:25] <greycat> I have no idea whether it's good; I've never had to do it yet
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2398 [22:43:12] <Noldorin> greycat, good shout, thanks. the sfdisk command looks familiar
2399 [22:43:25] <Noldorin> (to what was recommended to me last night, that is)
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2403 [22:46:21] <Noldorin> greycat, anyway, good article. looks like everything is in order. I should improve my google skills... but thanks
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2429 [22:59:31] <Azrael_-> hi
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2436 [23:02:51] <Azrael_-> i'm running debian 8, are there anywhere packages for redmine available?
2437 [23:03:25] <at0m> ,v redmine
2438 [23:03:26] <judd> Package: redmine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; jessie-security: 3.0~20140825-8~deb8u2; stretch: 3.3.1-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; stretch-security: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; sid: 3.4.6-1
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2440 [23:03:52] <greycat> it's in jessie-security but not in jessie?
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2442 [23:04:32] <at0m> i don't know, that's what judd says
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2444 [23:04:36] <bites> don't see it on jessie.
2445 [23:05:13] <bites> weird
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2451 [23:05:49] <greycat> Looks like judd's just pulling our legs. Or paws.
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2455 [23:09:15] <Azrael_-> any suggestions how to get it properly installed using the package manager? :)
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2457 [23:09:48] <greycat> upgrade to stretch
2458 [23:10:07] <bites> that. you want to keep building a system you will have to upgrade soon anyway?
2459 [23:10:23] <Azrael_-> yay...... currently don't have much time to care about upgrading it
2460 [23:10:43] <greycat> then you don't have time to do this ... redmine thing either
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2463 [23:11:32] <ralpheeee> anyone using qutebrowser? i git cloned QB and ran the install scripts for the dictionary install ...everything workded well...however when cleaning "data: /home/ralphe/.local/share/qutebrowser" i noticed my dictionary were also deleted
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2470 [23:12:40] <mycel> hey! can anyone help me with my wifi? Everytime I disconnect eth0, wifi is not working anymore
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2480 [23:30:57] <abrotman> mycel: is it set to hotplug?
2481 [23:31:23] <mycel> abrotman: hmmm to be honest I don't know
2482 [23:32:11] <mycel> abrotman: I prepare a paste
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2484 [23:33:36] <mycel> abrotman: replaced-url
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2486 [23:33:59] <mycel> I see ...yes hotplug
2487 [23:34:11] <abrotman> got it?
2488 [23:34:48] <mycel> should I delete that line? problem is I tried like all the stuff I read in forums etc. ...
2489 [23:34:57] <abrotman> delete? no
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2491 [23:35:09] <abrotman> change "auto wlan0" to "allow-hotplug wlan0"
2492 [23:35:10] <TheCryptek> Change the line.
2493 [23:35:15] <evanesoteric> I found a stackoverflow thread where someone uses "apt install -t testing" where -t denotes the target to install from... Can I add Debian Testing and only use it for specified packages? What happens if I run "apt update; apt full-upgrade"?
2494 [23:35:26] <TheCryptek> @abrotman it's already "allow-hotplug wlan0"
2495 [23:35:37] <abrotman> evanesoteric: there's a man page for apt-get
2496 [23:35:50] <TheCryptek> in /etc/network/interfaces anyways
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2498 [23:36:03] <abrotman> TheCryptek: it's in there twice .. which one wins?
2499 [23:36:31] <TheCryptek> only other one I see is with eth0
2500 [23:36:44] <abrotman> line 9 and line 13
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2502 [23:38:06] <TheCryptek> Oh the auto wlan0 you're right.
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2504 [23:38:36] <mycel> soo ...I delete auto wlan0?
2505 [23:38:55] <mycel> is the order of any relevance?
2506 [23:39:23] <abrotman> hard to say .. delete the dupes
2507 [23:39:27] <TheCryptek> ^
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2509 [23:39:34] <abrotman> be explicit .. don't leave it to chance :)
2510 [23:39:38] <TheCryptek> You got to delete the dupes so you only have one to mess with.
2511 [23:39:46] <TheCryptek> Call the one left your "control"
2512 [23:40:05] <TheCryptek> if it doesn't work then change it to the other? Maybe?
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2516 [23:41:33] <mycel> well ... yeah ... heh - to be honest I totally lost track of everything. I have a static IP but in interfaces eth0 is set to dhcp ...I have a static IP for wlan0 but it is a different IP in the end
2517 [23:41:45] <abrotman> clean it up!
2518 [23:42:13] * mycel looks at all the mess and doesn't know how
2519 [23:42:30] <TheCryptek> This your first time messing with interfaces?
2520 [23:42:43] <mycel> yes
2521 [23:42:58] <mycel> at least having a problem with it ...
2522 [23:43:31] <TheCryptek> Take my advice, don't ask for someone to do it for you, ask them to teach you. Took me a solid 3 months to learn because the first two I kept asking for them to just do it for me. "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime."
2523 [23:44:21] <abrotman> What if they run out of fish?
2524 [23:44:26] <mycel> yes, that was my intention
2525 [23:44:29] <TheCryptek> <.<
2526 [23:44:38] <TheCryptek> abrotman: Then I hope they know how to hunt xD!
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2528 [23:45:35] <mycel> deleting auto wlan0 didn't do it
2529 [23:46:51] <mycel> it's unfortunately a headless system (don't have a monitor at hand)
2530 [23:47:16] <mycel> which makes trouble shooting even more complicated
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2536 [23:55:55] <dapredator> Hi everyone. Please correct me if I'm wrong, questions about debian buster should be asked in #debian-next?
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2539 [23:56:37] <bites> that's right
2540 [23:56:54] <abrotman> On OFTC
2541 [23:57:32] <dapredator> and how can I get there? I can't join there because it's invite-only channel :(
2542 [23:57:34] <mycel> abrotman: any idea how I can approach this?
2543 [23:57:41] <abrotman> dapredator: on irc.oftc.net
2544 [23:57:48] <abrotman> mycel: you'll have to paste your current file again
2545 [23:57:50] <dapredator> oh, thanks
2546 [23:58:14] <mycel> abrotman: I just deleted auto wlan0
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2549 [23:59:51] <mycel> replaced-url
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