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5 [00:03:45] <Tamer_Gamer> Hello World!
6 [00:04:57] <jelly> hello there person with an innocuous nickname and fresh new account
7 [00:05:23] <Tamer_Gamer> Hello,
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10 [00:06:58] <Tamer_Gamer> Question, What would be the best Data Recovery tool for retreving personal files on a Debian Stretch amd64 System? I tried "Scalpel" but doesn't quite do it...
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12 [00:07:27] <Kelsar> postrec
13 [00:07:38] <brigo> Tarrasquero, why not just cp?
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15 [00:07:52] <brigo> i meant, Tamer_Gamer , sorry Tarrasquero
16 [00:08:02] <Kelsar> no, photorec it was
17 [00:08:40] <jelly> and also "power cycle the system ASAP and boot a live image to limit further writes"
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19 [00:09:24] <usney> how do can I see the cursor in nano?
20 [00:09:30] <usney> it isn't showing up
21 [00:09:44] <brigo> why everybody is guessing a failing disk?
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23 [00:10:33] <Tamer_Gamer> That doesn't seem to show on replaced-url
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25 [00:10:59] <jelly> Tamer_Gamer: apt-cache search photorec
26 [00:11:00] <Tamer_Gamer> Sorry, @Kelsar that was meant for you...
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28 [00:11:06] <Tarrasquero> hehehe
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30 [00:11:21] <brigo> Tamer_Gamer, which one? photorec? now is calling testdisk
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32 [00:11:40] * Kelsar hasn't used it in a long time...
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34 [00:11:45] <Kelsar> backups ftw
35 [00:12:02] <jelly> if they has backups they wouldn't be asking for a data recovery tool
36 [00:12:07] <jelly> had*
37 [00:12:23] <Tamer_Gamer> @brigo, Yes photorec, i'll search testdisk though..
38 [00:13:19] <brigo> Tamer_Gamer, very nice program, it has a web with handy examples
39 [00:13:55] <Tamer_Gamer> @brigo, Thank you, its a match! Much Appreciated
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43 [00:14:26] <Tamer_Gamer> I'll be back in a bit.. Thanks Guys!
44 [00:14:31] <brigo> Tamer_Gamer, it was a team work. :)
45 [00:15:11] <Tamer_Gamer> :)
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54 [00:23:13] <usney> how can I decompress an img file in debian?
55 [00:24:05] <usney> how about how can I mount an img image in linux?
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58 [00:26:23] <mtn> usney: both easy to answer using google or similar
59 [00:26:29] <aloo_shu> usney: afaik img isn't a clearly defined format (maybe it was in the day of dos diskettes)
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62 [00:27:32] <Kelsar> usney: easiest variant is just mount fuu.img /mnt
63 [00:27:52] <Kelsar> depends ofcourse what is inside the image
64 [00:27:53] <aloo_shu> usney: but I'd loop mount it (probaly -o loop, wasn't it?) and pray that mount will guess the fs
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67 [00:29:15] <brigo> usney, the file command can tell you the type of file.
68 [00:30:06] <aloo_shu> in any case, mounting a file, not a block device, requires loop. man mount for a little self-study..
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75 [00:38:17] <usney> never mind I figured out how to copy the file to a usb stick from console
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77 [00:38:43] <usney> now just have to edit the file
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79 [00:39:00] <usney> wasn't able to edit it because the cursor wasn't showing up in nano like it normally does
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82 [00:43:17] <usney> I have a question about a script
83 [00:44:12] <usney> replaced-url
84 [00:44:18] <usney> what do I put for size?
85 [00:44:32] <usney> I changed it to the correct emmc dev
86 [00:44:39] <usney> but what should the size be?
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89 [00:47:18] <KNERD> Where can the 8.11 netinstall ISO be found?
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102 [01:01:54] <brigo> KNERD, try archive.debian.org
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104 [01:03:59] <bites> replaced-url
105 [01:04:10] <bites> KNERD: ^
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112 [01:12:31] <KNERD> bites: Thanks a bunch. I looke din the genral area while ago, but for some reason could nto find that directory
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129 [01:23:25] <Tamer_Gamer> exit
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136 [01:25:19] <sZbcE8qNfG> I want to mount my NAS shares using CIFS and give read/write access to all users on the local computer
137 [01:25:26] <sZbcE8qNfG> is the correct way dir_mode=0777?
138 [01:25:49] <sZbcE8qNfG> or is there a specific CIFS group I need to add each user and then use gid=cifs group in mount options
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153 [01:46:32] <Tamer_Gamer> Question... What does this mean? "/msg dpkg 9.5" or "/msg dpkg stretch" (...)
154 [01:46:54] <Tamer_Gamer> I see these in the topics list, but do not know what to make of them..
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156 [01:47:18] <KNERD> it will send you a provate message on information about those
157 [01:47:37] <Tamer_Gamer> Okay, thank you.
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159 [01:52:37] <Tamer_Gamer> KNERD, Another time.. Dinner is calling my name.. Sorry, i gotta run.
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184 [02:29:16] <bkeys> I have an armhf machine running wheezy; and I want to upgrade it to either testing or experimental, would anyone here know how to do that?
185 [02:32:29] <ham5> what an absurd question to ask
186 [02:32:39] <ham5> you mean would anyone here be willing to hold your hand
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191 [02:37:48] <ham5> replaced-url
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194 [02:39:46] <RoyK> bkeys: just google debian upgrade - you'll need to upgrade to the next version and then to the next etc, so wheezy -> jessie, jessie -> stretch, stretch -> testing
195 [02:40:23] <RoyK> bkeys: it might be easier to reinstall the thing on a new medium (sd card?) and migrate the config and data later
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197 [02:41:46] <RoyK> ham5 - the 101 on how to tell newbies to fuck off and read the whole internet before asking
198 [02:42:26] <ham5> ayyy you get it;) .. do people actually RUN experimental?? I thought it was for picking packages out of
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203 [02:48:41] <annadane> no one told him experimental is a terrible idea?
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206 [02:49:05] <annadane> guess i'll send a memoserv...
207 [02:49:07] <RoyK> ham5: then say so - just don't barf out out people like that
208 [02:49:16] <RoyK> ham5: be nice
209 [02:49:18] <bkeys> Back, had to mess with my router
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211 [02:49:22] <bkeys> Yeah no need to be a dick man
212 [02:49:25] <annadane> bkeys, do not use experimental
213 [02:49:29] <annadane> it's really not meant for use
214 [02:49:39] <bkeys> annadane: I just need something more up to date than this ancient wheezy image I got
215 [02:49:43] <annadane> testing/sid actually are, as much as they introduce risk the user should be aware of
216 [02:50:00] <annadane> well, can you update to jessie and then stretch?
217 [02:50:11] <RoyK> any sane man or woman only uses Sid, because it's the newest and fastest and coolest
218 [02:50:11] <annadane> that's the most logical approach
219 [02:50:19] <bkeys> I would if I knew how to do that, I keep looking online for example sources.list file
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221 [02:50:23] * RoyK ducks
222 [02:50:29] <bkeys> I don't know where to point apt to
223 [02:50:30] <annadane> okay, so you don't need Testing
224 [02:50:36] <annadane> let's do this
225 [02:50:44] <annadane> post your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net
226 [02:51:07] <annadane> you don't need testing and you should ***not*** ever use experimental for the entire distributuin
227 [02:51:10] <annadane> distribution
228 [02:51:12] <bkeys> What is the pastebin utility for debian called?
229 [02:51:16] <bkeys> In fedora it was fpaste
230 [02:51:18] <annadane> paste.debian.net
231 [02:51:20] <RoyK> don't use testing/unstable on a system that you want to be stble - use it in a vm if you want to test something
232 [02:51:26] <bkeys> I mean the command line utility
233 [02:51:29] <annadane> right. stable is preferred, mostly
234 [02:51:33] <RoyK> btw, fedora is like Sid or perhaps Testing
235 [02:51:37] <annadane> well, you can pipe to termbin
236 [02:51:50] <annadane> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
237 [02:51:59] <RoyK> or pastebinit
238 [02:52:03] <RoyK> works for me
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240 [02:52:31] <themill> if you've got to ask google how to write a sources.list entry, then you don't know enough about debian to fix the problems you *will* get when running testing; sticking with a stable release is much more sensible.
241 [02:52:47] <bkeys> annadane: replaced-url
242 [02:53:00] <annadane> WTF firefox
243 [02:53:04] <annadane> "connection is not secure"
244 [02:53:11] <annadane> for termbin really?
245 [02:53:26] <RoyK> annadane: chrome says the same
246 [02:53:27] <bkeys> It said the same for chromium over here, it's not just you
247 [02:53:42] <RoyK> bkeys: perhaps use pastebinit
248 [02:54:03] <themill> looks like a self-signed cert done badly
249 [02:54:04] <annadane> !pastebinit
250 [02:54:04] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
251 [02:54:15] <themill> "Default Company Ltd"
252 [02:54:17] <RoyK> some certificate suppliers were blacklisted recently
253 [02:54:34] <annadane> basically you should apt install it first, you probably don't have it
254 [02:54:46] <bkeys> No I have it, it's installing
255 [02:54:49] <annadane> most systems will have netcat hence my general suggestion to blah blah | nc termbin
256 [02:55:21] <RoyK> someone should fix those certs at termbin, then ;)
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258 [02:55:37] <annadane> anyway, so you want something newer than wheezy, so what we're going to do is get you set up with the newest debian stable, which is Stretch, but you need to update to Jessie first and then to Stretch, you can't jump directly
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260 [03:00:31] <bkeys> Holy shit I just said to install pastebinit, why are you upgrading libc?
261 [03:00:39] <annadane> errrr
262 [03:00:56] <bkeys> Hell, I'll just type it out in a dang pastebin manually
263 [03:03:28] <annadane> !nopaste
264 [03:03:28] <dpkg> nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
265 [03:03:40] <annadane> dunno how those dependencies check out
266 [03:06:04] <bkeys> replaced-url
267 [03:06:15] <bkeys> there, holy crap
268 [03:06:21] <bkeys> Sorry but that was frustrating
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270 [03:07:46] <annadane> ok well that looks fine for updates to jessie
271 [03:08:04] <bkeys> Alright, I'll run an apt-get upgrade and see what that does
272 [03:08:07] <annadane> so apt update if you haven't already, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade? does that sound right to everyone else?
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274 [03:08:22] <bkeys> That's what I tried before I got here I think
275 [03:08:23] <annadane> and then reboot and then you can do the same with stretch, unless i'm missing something
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277 [03:08:56] <annadane> there *are* release notes for stretch but really, for generic wheezy > stretch updates i'm not sure it's necessary to read them
278 [03:09:20] <annadane> would love a second opinion, though
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281 [03:10:50] <annadane> AFAIK one can generally just execute those commands and seperate apt upgrade from apt dist-upgrade and it should be fine
282 [03:11:11] <annadane> they try to make it easy to transfer between stable releases
283 [03:11:21] <annadane> bkeys, oh, i guess, have backups before you do this
284 [03:11:24] <annadane> whatever you want to keep
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478 [07:19:00] <pongo> hi
479 [07:19:09] <gkgk> hi
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490 [07:44:38] <Kaminota> hello
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495 [07:51:11] <rydare> hi Kaminota
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501 [07:57:51] <gerforce> hi,there. When i try to do regular upgrade, it encounters an error. Details: replaced-url
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517 [08:14:45] <Kaminota> gerforce, Why don't you procps in the first place out of curiosity?
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532 [08:26:13] <gerforce> Kamilion: didn't find anything useful under /usr/share/doc/procps
533 [08:26:39] <rydare> gerforce: that link is 404 for me
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535 [08:26:54] <rydare> oops i was scrolled up
536 [08:26:57] <rydare> sorry
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541 [08:29:35] <gerforce> rydare: try this: replaced-url
542 [08:30:40] <Kaminota> 404 as well here. I think I misread it the first time though. 1 sec.
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544 [08:33:59] <gerforce> emm....
545 [08:34:30] <gerforce> i will try another upload link
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547 [08:37:33] <Kaminota> Can you show us the output of "sudo systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service" and "sudo systemctl status procps.service"?
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567 [08:56:23] <gerforce> Kamilion: here:replaced-url
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572 [09:01:13] <Kaminota> gerforce, have you modified any of the sysctl config files?
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575 [09:01:55] <Kaminota> Also, you keep pinging the wrong person.
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632 [09:42:40] <TheLemonMan> hello, it seems that after the latest firefox-esr update I cannot play YT videos anymore. Anybody else ha{s,d} this problem?
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636 [09:45:30] <themill> no problem with that here
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641 [09:49:38] <TheLemonMan> eh, it was a silly addon fault! I can finally listen some Simple Minds now :)
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643 [09:51:24] <themill> too easy
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645 [09:56:06] <ralpheeee> am running a windows tiling manager ...with libreoffice the fonts /text on the menu are very samll....can anypont me in the right direction?
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656 [10:04:12] <at0m> ralpheeee: this? replaced-url
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665 [10:09:16] <ralpheeee> at0m: no joy :(
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700 [10:32:26] <ralpheeee> ls
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717 [10:39:11] <hanxzavier> #flood
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743 [11:05:05] <darxmurf> any graphical app to browse a MTP device under XFCE ?
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747 [11:10:44] <darxmurf> hmm fine, I could mount it using jmtpfs
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751 [11:13:23] <darxmurf> hmm input/output error
752 [11:13:44] <darxmurf> 2018 and not able to mount a basic memory card from a phone :-/
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760 [11:18:33] <shriramv> Hello im new to debian and i would like to start contributing to it. How do i start?
761 [11:19:30] <darxmurf> ?
762 [11:19:46] <darxmurf> contribute in what ? Code ?
763 [11:20:42] <nyuszika7h> there seems to be an issue with the certificate for ftp.debian.org, it used to work fine
764 [11:20:44] <nyuszika7h> Err:9 replaced-url
765 [11:20:45] <nyuszika7h> server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
766 [11:21:01] <Kaminota> This might be the lazy answer, but here. replaced-url
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768 [11:22:21] <nyuszika7h> depth=1 C = NA, ST = NA, L = Ankh Morpork, O = Debian SMTP, OU = Debian SMTP CA, CN = Debian SMTP CA, emailAddress = hostmaster@puppet.debian.org
769 [11:22:22] <nyuszika7h> verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain
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824 [12:06:37] <notadeveloper> lol
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832 [12:10:49] <notadeveloper> asdf
833 [12:10:51] <notadeveloper> asdasd
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838 [12:18:37] <ralpheeee> are there any significant disadvantages of using systemd-boot on debian...am also not sure how future updates will effect systemd-boot...
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844 [12:36:08] <shriramv> darxmurf: yes. I am interested in becoming a debian maintainer, so i would like to know how and where to start. Also is there any pre-requirements?
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847 [12:42:52] <at0m> shriramv: replaced-url
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849 [12:44:20] <at0m> shriramv: also there is a package how-can-i-help, replaced-url
850 [12:45:13] <at0m> shriramv: how-can-i-help hooks in with apt, and prints outstanding issues with packages that apt has just handles
851 [12:45:16] <at0m> *handled
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858 [12:47:14] <shriramv> at0m:
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864 [12:48:41] <shriramv> at0m: thanks will look into how-can-i-help
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896 [13:21:34] <ashemta> bonjour a tous
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925 [14:01:18] <darxmurf> Salut ashemta, c'est un chan anglais par ici t'aurais pas trop de réponses en français :-)
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928 [14:01:44] <darxmurf> tu peux aller faire un tour sur #debian-fr
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942 [14:19:08] <ashemta> merci :) @darmurf
943 [14:19:20] <ashemta> @darxmurf
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947 [14:21:44] <ntd> what's STFU une francais?
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949 [14:23:28] <ntd> there's judgment due to the reason why people find the french language annoying is the french people speaking it, who actually understand english but pretend that they don't
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952 [14:27:00] <gregor2> It says error unknown filesystem Entering rescue mode... grub rescue> if i try to boot
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954 [14:27:09] <gregor2> What happened there?
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956 [14:27:50] <darxmurf> huh sounds like there is something wrong with your disk or boot config
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959 [14:29:40] <gregor2> i tried to set up a raid
960 [14:30:19] <gregor2> that hard drive should stay as it is but i had to reconfigure the sata controller
961 [14:31:12] <gregor2> from ICSE to IDE
962 [14:31:31] <gregor2> probabably that was what i did wrong?
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964 [14:32:26] <mawk> ntd: you say "tg"
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970 [14:38:24] <gregor2> sorry
971 [14:38:36] <gregor2> AHCI to IDE
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982 [14:46:33] <gregor2> please help
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987 [14:48:42] <petn-randall> gregor2: Then switch it back to AHCI? Why do you want to use IDE?
988 [14:49:24] <gregor2> Its to late
989 [14:49:49] <gregor2> I already did that and the problem is still there
990 [14:51:00] <petn-randall> gregor2: Only if you changes something in between. What did you do exactly?
991 [14:51:45] <gregor2> I actually want to config a raid
992 [14:52:12] <petn-randall> s/changes/changed/
993 [14:52:25] <gregor2> I had to switch to ide to use onboard raid controller.
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995 [14:52:34] <gregor2> So first i did that
996 [14:53:23] <gregor2> then i tried to boot and i saw grub the first time but the ioperating system did not boot.
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998 [14:53:38] <petn-randall> gregor2: Well, did you makes backups? If the RAID controller did it right, most of the data will be gone.
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1000 [14:53:55] <gregor2> sadly not
1001 [14:54:20] <gregor2> But it was not my intention to use that drive for the raid
1002 [14:55:27] <gregor2> and the partitions of the drive are still there i can see them in debian installation disk
1003 [14:56:12] <gregor2> the swap partition is still there and also somehow it can boot into grub recovery.
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1006 [14:57:09] <gregor2> I suppose if the raud controller had used that disk for its raid it would have erased that to.
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1008 [14:57:58] <gregor2> Also i was able to tell the raid controller wich disks to use
1009 [14:58:09] <gregor2> this one was not among them.
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1013 [15:02:31] <gregor2> What now?
1014 [15:02:46] <RoyK> gregor2: is this fakeraid?
1015 [15:02:48] <RoyK> !fakeraid
1016 [15:02:48] <dpkg> Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. replaced-url
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1018 [15:04:49] <gregor2> Really?!
1019 [15:05:02] <gregor2> Is that fakeraid really existing?!
1020 [15:05:07] <RoyK> what sort of controller is this?
1021 [15:05:09] <RoyK> gregor2: it is
1022 [15:05:11] <gregor2> Dont scare me
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1024 [15:05:30] <gregor2> ga-970a-ud3p
1025 [15:05:44] <gregor2> Dont tell me that all of my data is gone.
1026 [15:05:58] <gregor2> What did this thing to my hard drive?
1027 [15:06:27] <RoyK> I don't know, but I'm quite certain that it's fakeraid
1028 [15:06:55] <RoyK> unplug the drives and hook them up to another machine if you don't have a backup
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1030 [15:07:23] <gregor2> There is no reason for it to touch drives not specified by me!
1031 [15:07:30] <gregor2> Even if its fake!
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1033 [15:08:47] <gregor2> I cant do that either.
1034 [15:08:57] <gregor2> I dont have another machine.
1035 [15:10:06] <RoyK> how much data is it on this thing that you don't have a backup of
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1037 [15:13:04] <gregor2> i dont know
1038 [15:13:11] <gregor2> everything basically
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1041 [15:13:44] <gregor2> But dont you think that i will be able to restore it?
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1043 [15:14:11] <gregor2> Because it does not seem that bad, the partitions are still there.
1044 [15:14:26] <petn-randall> gregor2: I'd set it all back to the settings at the beginning, then boot a live system and investigate if the data is still there.
1045 [15:14:28] <gregor2> I hate fakeraid
1046 [15:14:54] <RoyK> gregor2: the data is probably on the disks - if it'd be me, I'd get a large, fat drive and dd the disks' data over there and start reconstruction
1047 [15:15:00] <gregor2> I cant mount the filesystem because i only have debian 7 live
1048 [15:15:10] <petn-randall> gregor2: The partition header is only one sector, just because the header is intact doesn't imply that the filesystems are there.
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1050 [15:15:31] <petn-randall> gregor2: Then get a Debian 9 live.
1051 [15:15:37] <gregor2> Well
1052 [15:15:43] <gregor2> Ok
1053 [15:15:48] <RoyK> gregor2: how big are these drives and how many of them are there?
1054 [15:15:53] <gregor2> but that will take a while.
1055 [15:16:16] <gregor2> I have one 1TB drive where the data is on
1056 [15:16:22] <gregor2> But obviosly
1057 [15:16:48] <gregor2> i also have 4 4TB empty (intended for the raid.
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1060 [15:17:37] <gregor2> Befor i download and burn debian 9 live i want to ask a fiew things
1061 [15:17:51] <RoyK> ok - hook up those 4TB drives and, using mdadm, create a raid5 or raid6 on them, and then dd the 1TB drive to a file on that raid
1062 [15:18:02] <RoyK> make sure you use lvm on top of the raid
1063 [15:18:09] <RoyK> it'll make things easier later on
1064 [15:18:11] <gregor2> Is lvm?
1065 [15:18:23] <gregor2> Whats that?
1066 [15:18:32] <RoyK> !lvm
1067 [15:18:32] <dpkg> [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (replaced-url
1068 [15:18:38] <gregor2> Ok
1069 [15:18:53] <gregor2> What do you think happened to the drives
1070 [15:19:00] <RoyK> no idea
1071 [15:19:02] <gregor2> And what caused it?
1072 [15:19:13] <gregor2> Was it the fakeraid?
1073 [15:19:24] <RoyK> but now, the important thing is to get the data out of the drive and see if you can recover it
1074 [15:19:36] <RoyK> and don't address drives like IDE in BIOS
1075 [15:19:45] <RoyK> it went out of style 15 years ago or so
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1077 [15:20:09] <gregor2> ok
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1079 [15:20:25] <gregor2> Wait a second
1080 [15:20:43] <gregor2> I have an installation cd for debian 9.
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1082 [15:20:50] <gregor2> Cant i use that?
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1087 [15:22:53] <gregor2> it actually says cant umount /target invalid argument.
1088 [15:23:20] <gregor2> and unable to read superblock.
1089 [15:23:53] <gregor2> what does that mean?
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1094 [15:27:36] <petn-randall> gregor2: That usually means the data is corrupted. But hard to say without specifics.
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1096 [15:29:11] <gregor2> I have one good news
1097 [15:29:40] <gregor2> I hadanother drive plugged into the board while configuring the raid.
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1100 [15:30:06] <gregor2> Everything is still there on that one.
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1103 [15:31:35] <gregor2> What could happen by the way if i accidentally press the wrong button on partition disks in a debian installation disk?
1104 [15:31:51] <blackflow> kittens would die.
1105 [15:32:03] <gregor2> Could that produce that outcome?
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1109 [15:33:51] <Trieste> Hi, I'd like to run a version of nginx with a specific 3rd party module, I've successfully compiled it so, but now I wonder if there's a better way to handle the install then just to do `make install`, so that it doesn't collide with the package manager or anything else
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1111 [15:35:13] <empty_string> usually ./configure --prefix=/opt/custom-nginx will set things up right, or usually make DESTDIR=/opt/custom-nginx install will also work
1112 [15:35:45] <empty_string> (nothing special about /opt/custom-nginx, just an example. you could install it to a user home directory or to /usr/local)
1113 [15:36:13] <petn-randall> Trieste: Best thing is to create a Debian package. Next best thing is to use stow or checkinstall. I'd avoid running `make install` as root at all costs.
1114 [15:36:16] <petn-randall> !stow
1115 [15:36:16] <dpkg> well, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
1116 [15:36:17] <petn-randall> !checkinstall
1117 [15:36:22] <Poster> yeah I usually go with /opt myself, it makes it pretty glaring there, if needed you can symlink binary names out or add it to your path
1118 [15:36:26] <petn-randall> !checkinstall
1119 [15:36:26] <dpkg> CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. replaced-url
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1123 [15:38:02] <Trieste> thanks!
1124 [15:38:35] <Trieste> I'll check out CheckInstall, and if that doesn't help I'll just prefix it to /opt :)
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1129 [15:40:48] <gregor2> isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sda2, iso_blknum=16, block=32
1130 [15:40:57] <gregor2> what is that?
1131 [15:41:11] <greycat> Hardware level read error.
1132 [15:41:31] <gregor2> And now?
1133 [15:41:38] <hexhaxtron> Anyone using Webmin? I can't login with other users... I did all the steps on the FAQ but no good...
1134 [15:41:47] <greycat> !webmin
1135 [15:41:47] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
1136 [15:41:55] <jelly> greycat: which command or action resulted in that, and where did you read it
1137 [15:42:02] <jelly> gregor2: which command or action resulted in that, and where did you read it
1138 [15:42:15] <gregor2> I tried to mount a drive.
1139 [15:42:15] <hexhaxtron> !free whcp
1140 [15:42:15] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
1141 [15:42:28] <gregor2> Have you followed my problem earlyer?
1142 [15:42:39] <hexhaxtron> greycat, which one do you suggest?
1143 [15:42:52] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea. I administer things by ssh-ing in.
1144 [15:43:13] <gregor2> I cant boot
1145 [15:43:31] <gregor2> it says rescue grub if i try
1146 [15:43:36] <jelly> gregor2: no. That just looks like doing "mount" without a -t filesystemtype and mount trying the iso9660 (cdrom) filesystem
1147 [15:44:02] <gregor2> now i booted into a installation cd and tried that
1148 [15:44:13] <gregor2> the message is from syslog
1149 [15:44:24] <jelly> did you tell mount command which -t to use
1150 [15:44:48] <jelly> if you didn't, that's normal
1151 [15:44:50] <greycat> at this point I'm suspecting he didn't type ANY commands at all; he selected something from a freakin' menu
1152 [15:45:04] <greycat> he sure seems unable to communicate "I typed ____"
1153 [15:45:53] <gregor2> i typed mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
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1155 [15:46:11] <greycat> OK. As jelly says, try it with an explicit -t type option.
1156 [15:46:25] <gregor2> i tried it right now
1157 [15:46:26] <greycat> What kind of file system is /dev/sda2 supposed to have? ext4? ext3? btrfs?
1158 [15:46:41] <gregor2> it says invalid argument
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1160 [15:46:47] <greycat> WHAT DID YOU TYPE
1161 [15:46:59] <gregor2> what you told me to
1162 [15:47:08] <gregor2> mount -t ext4 /dev.....
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1164 [15:48:03] <gregor2> debian 9 should be installed there
1165 [15:48:16] <gregor2> but i cant boot anymore
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1167 [15:49:04] <petn-randall> FYI, gregor2 played around with raid settings in the BIOS. I suspect it wrote its raid header somewhere onto the disk and corrupted the data. (an no backups)
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1169 [15:49:25] <gregor2> Yes
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1172 [15:49:43] <gregor2> but why did it write the header there?
1173 [15:50:05] <gregor2> I never told the bios to use that drive?
1174 [15:50:44] <RoyK> gregor2: as I said - dd the drive's data onto something else and after that, we can talk about recovery
1175 [15:50:52] <gregor2> ok
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1177 [15:50:58] <gregor2> i will do it!
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1179 [15:51:12] <RoyK> gregor2: probably it'll work
1180 [15:51:25] <gregor2> Can i actually do that with a installation disk or does it has to be a live
1181 [15:51:29] <RoyK> gregor2: and hopefully, you've learned a lesson: BACKUP YOUR DATA
1182 [15:51:55] <RoyK> gregor2: the install cd should do
1183 [15:51:58] <gregor2> That was actually what i was about to try.
1184 [15:52:02] <gregor2> ok
1185 [15:52:09] <gregor2> i will use the install cd
1186 [15:52:11] <RoyK> raid isn't backup
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1191 [15:56:01] <petn-randall> raid helps with uptime, not intential or accidental data loss.
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1193 [15:57:12] <RoyK> petn-randall: exactly
1194 [15:57:32] <jelly> why are you saying this, noone asked if raid was backup or made noises that sounded like that
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1197 [15:58:08] <RoyK> jelly: gregor2 apparently tried to configure a raid to "backup his data", and it failed
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1204 [15:59:08] <greycat> I don't see anything from gregor2 in /lastlog backup
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1206 [15:59:40] <RoyK> 15:51 < RoyK > gregor2: and hopefully, you've learned a lesson: BACKUP YOUR DATA
1207 [15:59:43] <RoyK> 15:51 < gregor2 > That was actually what i was about to try.
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1210 [16:00:25] <jelly> yes, but not on the same disk
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1215 [16:01:09] <jelly> creating a new raid array as a place to put backups of some other disk is a completely sane thing to do
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1221 [16:02:41] <RoyK> jelly: well, something went wrong, and I for one have tried to help gregor2 get out of this mess
1222 [16:03:19] <jelly> that's fine. I'm only whining about the uncalled "raid is not backup"
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1224 [16:03:48] <greycat> It's very difficult to tell what happened because he keeps speaking in vague terms with pronouns like "that" and "this", but near as I can tell, he reconfigured RAID on a live system, and then was confused when he lost data.
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1229 [16:05:01] <gregor2> Well
1230 [16:05:02] <greycat> Granted, that conclusion is based mostly on what petn-randall said, since nothing gregor2 said is clear.
1231 [16:05:28] <gregor2> Frpm my opinion i just trusted the motherboard.
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1235 [16:06:34] <gregor2> In any menu i never said to touch that drive, wich is now corrupted.
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1237 [16:07:10] <RoyK> gregor2: forget about that now - just 1: don't use fakeraid, 2: create a raid5 on those 4TB disks, put lvm on it, and a filesystem on top, and mount it: 3: get the data out of that old drive, all of it - ddrescue is fast and safe.
1238 [16:07:27] <RoyK> gregor2: and if you're lucky, perhaps it's possible to recover the dat
1239 [16:07:29] <RoyK> gregor2: and if you're lucky, perhaps it's possible to recover the data
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1241 [16:08:04] <petn-randall> greycat: Give them the benefit of the doubt, gregor2 is trying to respond to follow-up questions. That's already a lot better than people that refuse to answer in here. They made a mistake, and they're living up to it.
1242 [16:08:33] <jelly> smarter server board firmware WARNS YOU when you try to switch the intel controller from AHCI to RAID mode
1243 [16:08:52] <jelly> apparently this firmware was not one of those
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1246 [16:10:00] <gregor2> so
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1250 [16:11:00] <gregor2> Now i have connected all of the drives to the mutherboard the 4 4 TB
1251 [16:11:18] <gregor2> And the one i want to backup.
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1256 [16:11:58] <gregor2> also there is a dvd drive with a debian 9.1 amd64 DVD-1
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1258 [16:12:08] <gregor2> Now
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1260 [16:12:37] <gregor2> i was just about to create a file system on one of the 4 Drives
1261 [16:12:56] <RoyK> gregor2: are all four plugged in?
1262 [16:13:03] <gregor2> but you said it would be a better idea to make a software raid?
1263 [16:13:05] <gregor2> Yes
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1265 [16:13:14] <RoyK> pastebin output of lsblk
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1267 [16:13:29] <RoyK> gregor2: it's easy to create a software raid on those
1268 [16:13:39] <RoyK> keep in mind that you can't boot off a software raid5
1269 [16:13:45] <gregor2> All 4 are recognized and the one to backup to. also a dvd drive and a Debian installation disk is present
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1271 [16:14:09] <gregor2> Cant i boot of a software raid 4?
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1273 [16:14:13] <gregor2> Sorry
1274 [16:14:20] <jelly> you can boot from raid1
1275 [16:14:23] <gregor2> i mean raid5 ?
1276 [16:14:37] <gregor2> But raid 5 is not possible?
1277 [16:14:50] <darxmurf> you can boot from any raid
1278 [16:15:02] <jelly> well it really depends on the boot loader
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1280 [16:15:06] <gregor2> But not software raid right?
1281 [16:15:10] <RoyK> darxmurf: really? does grub support booting from raid5 now?
1282 [16:15:17] <darxmurf> and if you can affort it, I would recommend RAID6
1283 [16:15:33] <jelly> and the boot loader has to be written on a contiguous piece of disk that firmware can read and understand
1284 [16:15:34] <darxmurf> On my side I'm using hardware RAID, not software
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1286 [16:15:37] <RoyK> obviously, but with four drives, that seemed a bit overkill
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1288 [16:15:44] <darxmurf> RoyK: true
1289 [16:15:49] <RoyK> darxmurf: then don't mention it
1290 [16:16:02] <RoyK> darxmurf: since linux then doesn't boot from a raid, but from a single block device
1291 [16:16:13] <Tamer_Gamer> Hello World!
1292 [16:16:16] <petn-randall> RAID6 still has benefits over RAID10 on four disks. In the former, any 2 disks can fail without data loss.
1293 [16:16:48] <gregor2> what?
1294 [16:17:02] <RoyK> gregor2: things like NAS boxes usully use a small RAID10 or RAID1 for the root and RAID-5 or RAID-6 for the rest. It's not hard to setup
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1296 [16:17:15] <gregor2> i see
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1298 [16:17:21] <darxmurf> but performances are better on a RAID10 system
1299 [16:17:28] <RoyK> iops is better
1300 [16:17:39] <gregor2> RoyK: that was exactly what i wanted to know.
1301 [16:17:42] <jelly> iops is crap on any large sata device.
1302 [16:17:54] <gregor2> I dont even vcame up with that myself.
1303 [16:17:56] <petn-randall> darxmurf: Writing has a lower latency, but otherwise read speed is the same.
1304 [16:17:58] <jelly> with 4 disks, 4 x crap is still crap.
1305 [16:18:03] <gregor2> Ok
1306 [16:18:05] <gregor2> now
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1308 [16:18:29] <RoyK> gregor2: then create a small raid, like 50GB or so, RAID-1, on partitions on all four drives
1309 [16:18:33] <RoyK> four 50GB partitions
1310 [16:18:39] <RoyK> 4-way RAID-1
1311 [16:18:57] <RoyK> or perhaps RAID10
1312 [16:18:59] <gregor2> My Motherboard most likely uses fakeraid so i probably use a software raid anyway.
1313 [16:19:00] <RoyK> your choice
1314 [16:19:14] <RoyK> gregor2: use swraid - it works
1315 [16:19:35] <darxmurf> or buy a dedicated card :D
1316 [16:19:42] <gregor2> RoyK why do you want a raid for the backup by the way?
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1318 [16:19:54] <jelly> gregor2: if it's on a motherboard, and if you're not 100% sure you paid for hw raid with a battery backed or flash-backed memory, it's fakeraid
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1320 [16:20:05] <gregor2> I could set it up how i wanted it in the first place.
1321 [16:20:13] <RoyK> gregor2: just trying to help you - if you create a good raid now, you can keep it for lter
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1323 [16:20:27] <gregor2> Yes
1324 [16:20:38] <gregor2> That is what i am thinking now.
1325 [16:20:49] <gregor2> How to create the raid then?
1326 [16:20:50] <RoyK> so - what about this:
1327 [16:21:03] <gregor2> yes
1328 [16:21:08] <gregor2> make the deal
1329 [16:21:32] <RoyK> create a 50GB partition on each drive
1330 [16:21:42] <RoyK> let's call them sd[cdef]1
1331 [16:21:51] <RoyK> or tell us what they're named
1332 [16:21:55] <gregor2> they are called abcd
1333 [16:21:57] <gregor2> in fact
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1335 [16:22:05] <RoyK> ok, go on
1336 [16:22:11] <gregor2> sda sdb sdc sdd
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1338 [16:22:28] <RoyK> that's the drives - the first partition will be sda1 etc
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1341 [16:22:45] <RoyK> then another partition on each drive, taking the rest of the space
1342 [16:23:03] <gregor2> The only thing i can come up with is the installation disk
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1344 [16:23:14] <gregor2> partition disks
1345 [16:23:16] <RoyK> press alt+right
1346 [16:23:20] <gregor2> there is this meny
1347 [16:23:31] <RoyK> then you should get a console
1348 [16:24:02] <gregor2> yes
1349 [16:24:24] <RoyK> run fdisk /dev/sda
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1351 [16:24:47] <RoyK> check that it's the 4TB drive and create a new partition there, 50GB, and then another with the rest of the space
1352 [16:24:53] <RoyK> repeat for the other 4TB drives
1353 [16:25:23] <gregor2> ok
1354 [16:25:31] <gregor2> i dont quite get it
1355 [16:25:43] <gregor2> why 2 for every drive?
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1357 [16:25:51] <RoyK> one for the forthcoming root
1358 [16:26:01] <RoyK> and one for the forthcoming data raid
1359 [16:26:14] <RoyK> since linux can't boot off a software raid-5
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1361 [16:26:34] <gregor2> Thats ok
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1363 [16:26:53] <RoyK> if you have a separate root disk, don't bother about partitions
1364 [16:27:00] <RoyK> gregor2: do you have a separate root disk?
1365 [16:27:14] <gregor2> my plan was to use the 1 TB disk for linux i am now about to backup
1366 [16:27:30] <gregor2> Linux actually already was installed there.
1367 [16:27:44] <RoyK> you'll probably need a working linux system to do recovery
1368 [16:27:57] <RoyK> don't write anything to that 1TB drive before it's recovered
1369 [16:28:06] <gregor2> i know
1370 [16:28:14] <RoyK> installing debian on an usb stick will work, though
1371 [16:28:19] <RoyK> and make things a bit easier
1372 [16:28:19] <gregor2> ok
1373 [16:28:35] <gregor2> i would use a live disk if that is possible
1374 [16:28:45] <RoyK> should work
1375 [16:28:48] <gregor2> or if i dont even need that one
1376 [16:28:57] <gregor2> just the installation disk
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1378 [16:29:13] <gregor2> lets just see what we will need
1379 [16:29:24] <jelly> some live disks have more/all the useful tools for recovery purposes, grml.org is a nice example
1380 [16:29:25] <RoyK> the installation disk is very limited in terms of what sort of software installed
1381 [16:29:38] <gregor2> ok
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1384 [16:30:05] <gregor2> so how to create a software raid now?
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1386 [16:30:22] <RoyK> gregor2: bootable or not?
1387 [16:30:24] <jelly> and you want to be able to do gpt partitions, create and assemble md array, make filesystems, ddrescue the original disk to
1388 [16:30:30] <gregor2> Uhm
1389 [16:30:37] <gregor2> i dont now yet
1390 [16:30:48] <RoyK> then you'll have to decide first ;)
1391 [16:30:48] <gregor2> i thought that isnt even possible
1392 [16:31:15] <RoyK> gregor2: as I said, you can create some small partitions for a root raid-10 and leave the rest for the data
1393 [16:31:27] <gregor2> ok
1394 [16:31:47] <gregor2> no then lets just make a raid i will decide afterwards
1395 [16:31:50] <RoyK> that'll give you redundancy for the root as well
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1397 [16:32:04] <gregor2> yeah
1398 [16:32:06] <gregor2> i know
1399 [16:32:10] <RoyK> you can't decide later if you create one big raid5 now
1400 [16:32:38] <gregor2> is it by the way possible to make a raid larger later?
1401 [16:32:55] <gregor2> i am assuming smaller would be a problem
1402 [16:33:15] <RoyK> gregor2: I'd recommend installing debian on an 8GB usb pen drive and running it from there
1403 [16:33:27] <gregor2> yes
1404 [16:33:30] <RoyK> that way, you won't need those bloody partitions
1405 [16:33:53] <RoyK> and after recovery, you're free to use the 1TB drive for the root if you like
1406 [16:33:55] <gregor2> i will just make the raid for the backup it doesnt matter actually
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1408 [16:34:14] <gregor2> I think i would do that
1409 [16:34:17] <RoyK> ok
1410 [16:34:33] <RoyK> then mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abcd]
1411 [16:34:44] <gregor2> ok
1412 [16:34:47] <gregor2> well
1413 [16:35:04] <gregor2> Do i have to do anything befor creating the raid?
1414 [16:35:20] <gregor2> partitions?
1415 [16:35:23] <RoyK> so long as those drives are not in use, no
1416 [16:35:27] <RoyK> partitons are not needed
1417 [16:35:31] <RoyK> nor recommended
1418 [16:35:43] <gregor2> partitions are on top of the raid?
1419 [16:35:58] <RoyK> no, on top of the raid, you'll use lvm
1420 [16:36:15] <RoyK> partitions aren't needed at all except for the boot device
1421 [16:36:18] <gregor2> ok lets go
1422 [16:36:30] <jelly> lvm serves similar purpose as partitioning, but is more flexible
1423 [16:37:14] <gregor2> and this commant is right like it is?
1424 [16:37:38] <RoyK> gregor2: make sure the device names are correct
1425 [16:37:45] <gregor2> ok
1426 [16:37:53] <RoyK> cat /proc/partitions
1427 [16:37:56] <RoyK> check their size
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1429 [16:38:39] <jelly> is there a way to wipe intel rst metadata if the bios wrote it on all the disks?
1430 [16:38:40] <gregor2> Oh
1431 [16:39:19] <gregor2> It says /dev/sda appears to be part of a raid array
1432 [16:39:30] <jelly> that might be prudent to do (but if it's there, mdadm userspace ought to find it?)
1433 [16:39:36] <RoyK> gregor2: can you take a photo of the output?
1434 [16:39:43] <gregor2> Lol
1435 [16:39:53] <jelly> a screenshot!
1436 [16:40:04] <jelly> upload to imgur.com and show the URL here
1437 [16:40:04] <RoyK> jelly: from the installer?
1438 [16:40:54] <jelly> RoyK: well /sbin/mdadm is /sbin/mdadm, be it in d-i or a proper install
1439 [16:40:59] <gregor2> zI guess that is because i created a partition table befor
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1441 [16:41:22] <gregor2> i can confirm that sdabcd are the right drives
1442 [16:41:31] <gregor2> i checked it with parted
1443 [16:41:31] <RoyK> ok
1444 [16:41:42] <gregor2> i will just go on
1445 [16:41:46] <RoyK> go on
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1448 [16:42:38] <gregor2> active with 3 out of 4 devices.
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1450 [16:42:44] <gregor2> What does that mean?
1451 [16:42:51] <RoyK> gregor2: cat /proc/mdstat
1452 [16:42:57] <RoyK> probably resyncing
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1455 [16:43:33] <gregor2> no idea
1456 [16:43:53] <RoyK> gregor2: that'll take some hours with drives of that size, depending on their speed, but never mind, it works well even before it's complete
1457 [16:43:57] <gregor2> it says active raid5 sdd sdc sdb sda
1458 [16:44:09] <RoyK> and probably some ==>
1459 [16:44:14] <RoyK> and a percentage
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1461 [16:44:24] <gregor2> Yes
1462 [16:44:28] <gregor2> .5%
1463 [16:44:32] <gregor2> You know
1464 [16:44:44] <RoyK> then pvcreate /dev/md0
1465 [16:45:03] <RoyK> and then lvcreate 'dataorsomethingfine' /dev/md0
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1467 [16:45:07] <RoyK> erm
1468 [16:45:17] <RoyK> vgcreate 'dataorsomething' /dev/md0
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1471 [16:45:35] <gregor2> I probably dont need that right now because i doubt that for the time i will use it the drives probably are not going to break.
1472 [16:45:44] <RoyK> then lvcreate -L 2T -n recovery dataorsomething
1473 [16:45:54] <gregor2> what?
1474 [16:46:01] <RoyK> !lvm
1475 [16:46:01] <jelly> you're going to use the drives to make a bit-exact copy of the 1TB disk
1476 [16:46:01] <dpkg> [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (replaced-url
1477 [16:46:22] <gregor2> yes
1478 [16:46:32] <RoyK> gregor2: you need a volume group on top of a 'physical device' and on top of that, you want a logical device
1479 [16:46:39] <gregor2> What about making a copy just on one of them?
1480 [16:46:42] <RoyK> on that, you put a filesystem
1481 [16:47:06] <RoyK> and when that's done, dd the old disk's data over to a file on the filesystem
1482 [16:47:10] <jelly> gregor2: don't do that. Make a real filesystem and let the copy be a file on a real filesystem
1483 [16:47:12] <RoyK> after mounting that filesystem, obviously
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1486 [16:48:01] <jelly> otherwise, accidental reboot might show identical data on two different disks
1487 [16:48:31] <RoyK> gregor2: so - first step: vgcreate data /dev/md0
1488 [16:48:41] <gregor2> I mean just creating a ext4 on one of the disks and create the file there
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1490 [16:48:57] <RoyK> don't use ext4 with that large data sets
1491 [16:48:58] <jelly> gregor2: RoyK is telling you how to do that, but with lvm.
1492 [16:49:02] <RoyK> xfs is better
1493 [16:49:15] <RoyK> but then - this is temporary for recovery, so anything will do
1494 [16:49:25] <gregor2> yes
1495 [16:49:25] <RoyK> perhaps fat
1496 [16:49:42] <gregor2> thats why i would just use one disk without a raid
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1498 [16:49:52] <gregor2> i will redo that aftw
1499 [16:50:14] <gregor2> i will probably make a new raid after i got my files back
1500 [16:50:44] <RoyK> gregor2: just - please - do as I say - I work for free here, and I can't teach you everything
1501 [16:50:54] <gregor2> ok
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1503 [16:51:20] <gregor2> so after i typed cat /proc/mstat
1504 [16:51:25] <gregor2> what next
1505 [16:51:43] <RoyK> gregor2: that's just checking the status of the raid
1506 [16:51:50] <RoyK> 16:48 < RoyK > gregor2: so - first step: vgcreate data /dev/md0
1507 [16:52:02] <gregor2> thats what i have typed last
1508 [16:52:12] <gregor2> thats why i said
1509 [16:52:15] <RoyK> ok - what does vgs have to say?
1510 [16:52:15] <jelly> gregor2, RoyK: um, first step is pvcreate, did you do that
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1512 [16:52:33] <RoyK> jelly: except vgcreate runs pvcreate if the target isn't a pv
1513 [16:52:38] <gregor2> just without argument?
1514 [16:52:43] <jelly> RoyK: when did that happen!
1515 [16:52:51] <RoyK> jelly: 10 years ago? ;)
1516 [16:52:56] <jelly> TIL
1517 [16:53:24] <gregor2> ok now what?
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1519 [16:53:42] <RoyK> does vgs tell you you've got a volume group?
1520 [16:53:52] <RoyK> pvs should show your pv
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1522 [16:54:15] <gregor2> what should i type?
1523 [16:54:16] <RoyK> jelly: ?
1524 [16:54:18] <RoyK> lvs
1525 [16:54:18] <RoyK> vgs
1526 [16:54:20] <RoyK> pvs
1527 [16:54:22] <gregor2> just pvs
1528 [16:54:40] <RoyK> no vg?
1529 [16:55:42] <gregor2> device lvs not found
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1531 [16:55:46] <jelly> "today I learned" is a rough equivalent of "news to me"
1532 [16:55:59] <RoyK> ok :)
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1534 [16:56:16] <RoyK> gregor2: lvcreate -n recovery -L 2T data
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1536 [16:56:49] <RoyK> replaced-url
1537 [16:57:00] <RoyK> I've collected some notes on storage there
1538 [16:57:47] <gregor2> dont i have to specify the drive somewhere?
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1540 [16:57:51] <RoyK> jelly: TIL is to me "Tromsø idrettslag" <-- the football team of Tromsø, Norway
1541 [16:58:24] <RoyK> gregor2: no, the drive is a PV in the VG "data", so the LV you create will be placed on that drive, which is md0, consisting of four drives in a RAID5
1542 [16:58:45] <RoyK> lvm is a bit smarter than old partitions ;)
1543 [16:58:47] <gregor2> i see
1544 [16:59:04] <gregor2> volume group data not fpund
1545 [16:59:11] <RoyK> vgs
1546 [16:59:35] <gregor2> i never wrote data anywhere
1547 [16:59:38] <greycat> please tell me he didn't actually name it dataorsomethingfine
1548 [16:59:49] <gregor2> does nothing
1549 [16:59:55] <jelly> "data" has to be the same name as used in "vgcreate data /dev/md0"
1550 [16:59:56] <RoyK> then create that vg
1551 [16:59:57] <gregor2> lol
1552 [17:00:16] <rgr> gregor2: welcome to lvm hell. It's a nightmare ;) All well and good until something goes wrong..... ;)
1553 [17:00:17] <gregor2> All i did was the first command
1554 [17:00:27] <gregor2> No
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1556 [17:00:36] <gregor2> i dont want to lvm hell
1557 [17:00:40] <RoyK> gregor2: if you didn't create the vg, do that
1558 [17:00:42] <greycat> It's not hell.
1559 [17:00:45] <jelly> the first command wasn't "No"
1560 [17:00:47] <RoyK> vgcreate data /dev/md0
1561 [17:00:48] <superflit> any suggestion for a good monitoring/restart service manager?
1562 [17:00:56] <greycat> superflit: systemd
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1564 [17:01:01] <gregor2> mdadm
1565 [17:01:05] <jelly> superflit: systemd can be used for that
1566 [17:01:06] <gregor2> that was all
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1568 [17:01:18] <greycat> gregor2: you have to create a VG at some point
1569 [17:01:20] <RoyK> gregor2: vgcreate data /dev/md0
1570 [17:01:21] <superflit> gregor2: what if systemd is not enabled?
1571 [17:01:24] <RoyK> gregor2: vgcreate data /dev/md0
1572 [17:01:24] <RoyK> gregor2: vgcreate data /dev/md0
1573 [17:01:24] <RoyK> gregor2: vgcreate data /dev/md0
1574 [17:01:40] <RoyK> oops
1575 [17:01:40] <gregor2> How should i know?
1576 [17:01:48] <greycat> superflit: then daemontools or runit, but why isn't systemd enabled? Are you still on wheezy?
1577 [17:02:05] <jelly> superflit: then you switch to it, or use an older solution
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1579 [17:02:17] <RoyK> gregor2: just trying to help here - the page I posted above explains things
1580 [17:02:20] <gregor2> ok
1581 [17:02:26] <superflit> debian 9 but systemd disabled
1582 [17:02:29] <RoyK> gregor2: or just run that command I posted
1583 [17:02:32] <gregor2> volume recovery created
1584 [17:02:34] <superflit> systemd is still the better solution?
1585 [17:02:37] <jelly> superflit: how did you manage to disable it?
1586 [17:02:46] <jelly> (also, why)
1587 [17:02:53] <superflit> (old sysadmin)
1588 [17:02:57] <superflit> (sighhhh)
1589 [17:02:59] <greycat> Disabling systemd and then wondering "Hey, why don't I have a service manager" seems self-defeating.
1590 [17:03:06] <RoyK> gregor2: ok, so lvs will show you the recovery volume now, right?
1591 [17:03:19] <superflit> what is a good doc for managing it with systemd
1592 [17:03:20] <gregor2> yes
1593 [17:03:22] <superflit> ?
1594 [17:03:36] <RoyK> greycat: possbly a tourist from devuan
1595 [17:03:56] <jelly> superflit: systemd has its own issues but solves more technical problems than it creates
1596 [17:03:58] <RoyK> greycat: good, now make a filesystem on that thing, mkfs -t xfs /dev/data/recovery
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1598 [17:04:40] <gregor2> lol
1599 [17:04:45] <gregor2> mkfs not found
1600 [17:04:56] <RoyK> mkfs.xfs /dev/data/recovery
1601 [17:05:10] <jordanm> superflit: see the "Restart" option in `man systemd.service`
1602 [17:05:13] <gregor2> wow
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1604 [17:05:16] <jelly> superflit: best work with your sysadmin when choosing a solution, be it runit or old daemontools or something domain specific like java service-wrapper
1605 [17:06:02] <gregor2> and now
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1607 [17:06:21] <RoyK> gregor2: mount the filesystem somewhere, like 'mount /dev/data/recovery /mnt'
1608 [17:06:31] <gregor2> it is stuck
1609 [17:06:45] <RoyK> stuck?
1610 [17:06:57] <jelly> then wait until mkfs finished what it's going
1611 [17:06:59] <jelly> doing*
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1613 [17:07:15] <RoyK> jelly: mkfs.xfs usually finishes in a few seconds
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1616 [17:07:44] <jelly> there's an array rebuild going on, and 4TB sata disks, I have no idea how slow that might make things
1617 [17:07:54] <gregor2> it is not finished yet
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1619 [17:08:01] <RoyK> gregor2: wait it out
1620 [17:08:13] <jordanm> mkfs.xfs is generally fast because unlike extX, it doesn't have to write out all the inode tables on format
1621 [17:08:16] <jelly> and debian defaults to cfq iosched
1622 [17:08:16] <RoyK> gregor2: what sort of disks, btw?
1623 [17:08:25] <jelly> which is still horribly buggy
1624 [17:08:26] <gregor2> seagate
1625 [17:08:43] <RoyK> jelly: no, it doesn't default to cfq anymore - that was some time ago
1626 [17:08:57] <gregor2> this is very complicated
1627 [17:09:04] <rafalcpp> how to switch scheduler for network cards?
1628 [17:09:23] <RoyK> gregor2: find a beer or a soda - wait a minute
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1630 [17:09:37] <gregor2> now
1631 [17:09:49] <jelly> RoyK: I'm pretty sure debian 8 did, I don't have a debian 9 on a physical machine to check right now
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1634 [17:10:20] <greycat> jelly: how does one check?
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1636 [17:10:33] <gregor2> i have mounted it
1637 [17:10:51] <greycat> [ 0.576215] io scheduler cfq registered (default)
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1640 [17:11:07] <gregor2> now comes the dd part?
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1642 [17:11:20] <jelly> greycat: grep . /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler or similar
1643 [17:11:24] <gregor2> it is mounted now.
1644 [17:11:35] <greycat> noop deadline [cfq]
1645 [17:11:38] <jelly> yeah
1646 [17:11:56] <jelly> 4.17 bpo, however, woot. [mq-deadline] none
1647 [17:12:12] <gregor2> What now?
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1649 [17:12:35] <gregor2> dd /dev/sde /mnt/file.iso
1650 [17:12:36] <RoyK> gregor2: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/mnt/recovery.img bs=4M status=progress
1651 [17:12:46] <gregor2> i see
1652 [17:13:00] <RoyK> gregor2: bs=4M or so makes things a *lot* faster
1653 [17:13:19] <RoyK> otherwise, dd will use 512b blocks, which is slow, very slow
1654 [17:13:35] <jelly> greycat: elevator=deadline as boot parameter, or echo deadline into (all) the file(s)
1655 [17:13:45] <RoyK> gregor2: and it's not an iso ;)
1656 [17:14:01] <greycat> jelly: I think I'll just leave it alone for now
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1659 [17:15:27] <gregor2> the status....
1660 [17:15:31] <jelly> greycat: you don't have to mess with it unless you see significant io congestion (100 %util and above 1 second svctm in iostat)
1661 [17:15:40] <gregor2> i think it does not work
1662 [17:16:01] <RoyK> gregor2: which debian version is this?
1663 [17:16:04] <gregor2> status=progress
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1665 [17:16:09] <gregor2> debian 9
1666 [17:16:20] <gregor2> but busu=ybox it seems
1667 [17:16:20] <jelly> it's possible that dd is busybox' dd
1668 [17:16:26] <gregor2> yes
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1670 [17:16:29] <gregor2> thats it
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1672 [17:16:57] <gregor2> what if i leave that out?
1673 [17:17:02] <RoyK> then don't use status=progress
1674 [17:17:21] <gregor2> an now?
1675 [17:17:23] <RoyK> it'll take a few hours
1676 [17:17:26] <gregor2> let me guess?
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1678 [17:17:34] <gregor2> see you tomorrow
1679 [17:17:38] <RoyK> press ctrl+z
1680 [17:17:41] <RoyK> type 'bg'
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1682 [17:18:00] <RoyK> and you can monitor the size of the file with things like 'ls -l /mnt'
1683 [17:18:03] <gregor2> good
1684 [17:18:25] <RoyK> watch ls -l /mnt
1685 [17:18:33] <gregor2> already 10Gigs
1686 [17:18:35] <RoyK> watch is a command to do that
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1688 [17:18:57] <jelly> 1TB at 50MB/s is like 5 hours
1689 [17:19:06] <gregor2> well
1690 [17:19:10] <gregor2> like 1%
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1692 [17:19:21] <gregor2> Thats horrible.
1693 [17:19:21] <RoyK> well, there's a resync going on there
1694 [17:19:49] <gregor2> wouldnt this be faster without a raid?
1695 [17:19:57] <RoyK> no
1696 [17:20:02] <RoyK> but the raid is resyncing
1697 [17:20:14] <RoyK> when it's done resyncing it'll be pretty fast
1698 [17:20:40] <RoyK> but I guess you could leave it for some hours now and take a walk to the nearest pub or something
1699 [17:20:55] <gregor2> Omg
1700 [17:21:10] <gregor2> What are you planing to do afterwards?
1701 [17:21:42] <RoyK> as soon as the data is safely dd'ed over, you could reinstall debian on that terabyte disk
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1703 [17:22:04] <RoyK> and then use other tools to extract the data
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1705 [17:22:16] <gregor2> What i actually hoped for was that i can recover the old installation.
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1707 [17:22:39] <RoyK> that's possible, but unlikely
1708 [17:22:54] <RoyK> better stick to the hope of getting your data out of there
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1711 [17:23:29] <gregor2> ok now
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1713 [17:24:22] <gregor2> I dont think it will take 5 hours
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1715 [17:24:39] <gregor2> the file is 70 Gb now
1716 [17:24:50] <RoyK> gregor2: it'll take some hours
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1718 [17:25:05] <jelly> gregor2: hard disks are faster near the beginning and slow down towards the end.
1719 [17:25:14] <gregor2> Isnt it finished ....
1720 [17:25:17] <gregor2> i see
1721 [17:25:46] <jelly> your 1TB device might do 150MB/s sustained read at the beginning but like 60MB/s near the end
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1724 [17:26:05] <RoyK> gregor2: as jelly said, spinning rust is faster on the outer rim - there's about 2x as many sectors per cylinder there
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1726 [17:26:25] <RoyK> jelly: and the target is resyncing
1727 [17:26:29] <gregor2> ok but still
1728 [17:26:34] <c-101> Hello there, i think i found a problem in Qt5 packages in debian testing but i don't know against what component open the bug... anyone has insights into Qt in Debian?
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1730 [17:27:01] <petn-randall> Fun fact, if you apply 24V to the 12V rail, the drives should run twice as fast!
1731 [17:27:03] <gregor2> it has already reached 100 GB now
1732 [17:27:07] <jelly> gregor2: but hey, it might be finished sooner, and that's great
1733 [17:27:18] <petn-randall> Hi c-101, testing is supported on a different channel and network:
1734 [17:27:22] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1735 [17:27:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1736 [17:27:36] <petn-randall> c-101: Feel free to ask there, where all the other testing/sid users hang out. ^^^
1737 [17:27:49] <jelly> gregor2: so that's 10% in 10 minutes. 90 minutes to go if you're lucky
1738 [17:28:30] <gregor2> ok
1739 [17:28:48] <gregor2> Thanks for the help
1740 [17:29:06] <RoyK> gregor2: you could reduce the priority for resync on the raid
1741 [17:29:11] <gregor2> but can we now talk about what actually happened there?
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1744 [17:29:31] <c-101> well... it seems the mantainer of Qt (Simon Quigley) broke something, but there are multiple packets that are generated from a single source package, so i do not know what should i choose to report the bug
1745 [17:29:37] <RoyK> gregor2: I'm more into trying to get your data out of there
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1747 [17:29:46] <jelly> gregor2: the likely cause is fakeraid firmware overwrote some parts of some disks
1748 [17:29:58] <gregor2> why?
1749 [17:30:07] <gregor2> why did it?
1750 [17:30:09] <jelly> because you told it to
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1752 [17:30:16] <gregor2> I did not
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1754 [17:30:35] <gregor2> The raid controler is on port 0-3
1755 [17:30:39] <jelly> gregor2: switching from "native/ahci" mode to "raid" mode might have been enough to do that
1756 [17:30:49] <gregor2> This was nut plugged in thete
1757 [17:31:09] <gregor2> thats so silly
1758 [17:31:28] <RoyK> gregor2: cut it - we may help you to get the data out
1759 [17:31:36] <gregor2> yes ok
1760 [17:31:43] <gregor2> i dont mean you guys
1761 [17:32:12] <gregor2> I believe you but i find it stupid that the motherboard does that
1762 [17:32:21] <jelly> gregor2: firmware can have bugs and do what's not intended. This channel focuses more on solving tech issues than theorizing about root causes
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1764 [17:33:16] <jelly> I can believe you think it's unexpected, but I can also believe the behaviour is documented somewhere in the manual for the chipset if not the mainboard.
1765 [17:33:37] <gregor2> i should have never plugged it in there at the same time while trying this.
1766 [17:33:45] <jelly> in any case, it's not something that can be solved within Debian
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1768 [17:33:58] <gregor2> i see yes
1769 [17:34:32] <gregor2> avtually this hole story has nothing to do with debian
1770 [17:35:13] <gregor2> ok but now something that has to do with debian
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1773 [17:36:10] <gregor2> If i onserted an installation disk and pressed partition disks.
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1776 [17:37:48] <gregor2> Afterwards i pressed configure manually and write changes to disk without making any changes?
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1780 [17:38:37] <jelly> t-13: you need to register and identify in the (separate network!) OFTC NickServ to be able to talk in that channel
1781 [17:38:46] <t-13> jelly: i noticed that
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1783 [17:39:53] <t-13> t-13 how do you register with nickserv ?
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1786 [17:40:25] <greycat> /msg nickserv help
1787 [17:40:29] <jelly> t-13: very similar way as on freenode. /msg NickServ help register ... to get some instructions
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1789 [17:40:57] <t-13> i did that, but the issue is that through i am connected to irc.oftc.net it seems to share nicks and presence ?
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1792 [17:41:20] <jelly> t-13: irc.oftc.net and irc.debian.org are the same thing, if you mean those two
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1796 [17:43:16] <jelly> t-13: your c-101 connection over there does not seem to be registered or identified right now
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1799 [17:44:22] <t-13> jelly: yep, my registered nick is c-101
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1812 [17:53:31] <queip> how to reserve more of (low-memory?) for DMA and such tass?
1813 [17:53:35] <queip> tasks
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1816 [17:54:14] <RoyK> iirc dma uses all sorts of memory
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1820 [17:56:25] <queip> RoyK: at least some devices, require memory which has "low address"
1821 [17:56:42] <queip> e.g. in first 4 GB, but maybe there are other limits too
1822 [17:57:15] <RoyK> oh - didn't know
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1824 [17:58:16] <fling> What is the default debian kernel config? mostly allmodconfig? How is it different from allmodconfig?
1825 [17:58:40] <RoyK> fling: see /boot/config-something
1826 [17:59:06] <fling> RoyK: I don't have it, need to install something
1827 [17:59:19] <fling> linux image probably
1828 [17:59:25] <jelly> fling: which debian release are you targeting?
1829 [17:59:40] <jelly> and which architecture (dpkg --print-architecture)?
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1837 [18:04:10] <fling> jelly: buster/sid amd64
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1845 [18:08:25] <jelly> fling: uh, what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list, buster or sid?
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1847 [18:09:01] <jelly> fling: in any case installing linux-image-amd64 ought to get you a kernel.
1848 [18:09:46] <fling> jelly: I've got the config, will now do the allmodconfig and diff…
1849 [18:09:59] <fling> jelly: deb replaced-url
1850 [18:10:14] <jelly> aight, that's sid
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1853 [18:12:53] <fling> Is there a command for enabling (and disabling) a kernel config symbol from console properly without menuconfig or curses?
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1855 [18:13:59] <teclo-> fling: perhaps somewhere in /proc
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1859 [18:16:30] <fling> For example I want to switch few symbols like uhci, scsi disk, ahci, etc from =m to =y without editing the config and without lurking the menuconfig
1860 [18:16:48] <jelly> fling: edit .config with whatever tools and then "make olddefconfig", says google
1861 [18:16:50] <fling> because editing the config file is a bad idea and using menuconfig is a slow task
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1863 [18:17:24] <jelly> completely untested by me.
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1865 [18:17:39] <fling> jelly: tested by me and but with oldconfig
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1867 [18:17:48] <fling> jelly: sometimes produces bad kernel :D
1868 [18:18:00] <mxbd> Hey. Is there a way to determine if a machine has full-disk encryption applied, without rebooting?
1869 [18:18:10] <fling> mxbd: check lsblk output
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1871 [18:18:15] <mxbd> Can't remember if I applied FDE to my VPN host and I need to reboot the host.
1872 [18:18:54] <fling> mxbd: the TYPE column should show crypt
1873 [18:19:37] <mxbd> fling: Dang, that's something I should have known to check... thanks. Seems they're just LVM and not crypto devices.
1874 [18:19:38] <jelly> fling: not the same thing tho. I just replaced-url
1875 [18:20:18] <jelly> oldconfig asks questions.
1876 [18:21:01] <n4dir> and back in the past it have been quite a lot of questions.
1877 [18:22:01] <jelly> as many as there are differences between the set of options listed in .config file and present in the kernel tree
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1879 [18:22:34] <n4dir> ah. thanks.
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1881 [18:23:11] <fling> RoyK: jelly: looks like it is pretty different to defconfig and allmodconfig
1882 [18:23:31] <jelly> but what do I know, I build kernels once every two years or less
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1884 [18:24:26] <jelly> fling: distrust anything I say. Including this line.
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1887 [18:25:36] <EdePopede> hello. not really debian specific, but since it is what i run: i started copying some files with mc to a disk connected to usb via an adapter. now this adapter sometimes makes trouble and this time it blocks the copy process. since mc keeps the fs open, i can't unmount. killed the xterm, now i wait for the kernel do get rid of the dead mc process (worked one time yet). but this needs time. any chance to make
1888 [18:25:36] <EdePopede> it throw away the process faster or even *now* if possible?
1889 [18:25:49] <fling> jelly: smart
1890 [18:26:01] <EdePopede> and kernel going on with... usb 1-3: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci
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1892 [18:26:30] <fling> EdePopede: it is not always possible to kill a process with stuck i/o
1893 [18:27:01] <fling> EdePopede: try remounting or it can just stuck at some state or became a zombie if you will try to kill it
1894 [18:27:08] <EdePopede> so last ressort hope that the kernel will be successful another time
1895 [18:27:21] <fling> EdePopede: try rsync another time :>
1896 [18:27:22] <EdePopede> mc is dead, subshell a zombie
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1899 [18:28:56] <EdePopede> would it help to use cp?
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1902 [18:30:54] <zumba_addict> Hi all. I'd like to install linux kernel source on stretch. What would be the package called?
1903 [18:30:55] <n4dir> i thought of rsync, so next time it will only copy the files which have not already been copied (last time, when it got disconnected). Might well be that cp or mc do that, or can do that, too.
1904 [18:32:20] <n4dir> if or if not killing mc instead of xterm makes any difference i wouldn't know.
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1909 [18:34:08] <diogenes_> Hello guys, are there any mx linux users that can provide some support? i'm asking because mx linux pre-installed IRC clien points at this channel.
1910 [18:35:25] <EdePopede> n4dir, if you mean me: i couldn't do anything to mc or the subshell, i think not even to its parent shell. xterm was the only killable thing. and since it worked the last time, why not retrying
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1912 [18:36:06] <n4dir> EdePopede: like said, i simply don't know. got you. But investigate if rsync is an option (or if cp can do just the same).
1913 [18:36:34] <rydare> diogenes_: mx is based on stable, but might have different solutions, might as well just ask your question
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1915 [18:38:04] <EdePopede> n4dir: what would speak for rsync? does it give up and free the target in such situations or something?
1916 [18:38:56] <n4dir> not that (sure not that i would know). But what i said: if you restart the copy process, rsync will only copy the files which haven't already been copied. Some claim rsync -u is needed, some it would do that anyway. i use -u option
1917 [18:39:07] <diogenes_> rydare, ok thanks, so i am using mobile broadband connection and i before mx linux i was used to create a wireless hotspot very easy with a few clicks, network manager > edit connections > add > wifi > set it as hotspot done, it used to work like that with any distros but with mx linux it creates the hotspot and other machines can connect to it successfully but there is no internet provided, what could be the issue
1918 [18:39:10] <n4dir> makes any sense? else ignore, i can't put it any better. good luck.
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1920 [18:39:55] <jhutchins_wk> diogenes_: Default routing.
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1922 [18:40:14] <ksk> n4dir: you only need -u if you have files newer on target, that you dont want to overwrite.
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1924 [18:40:39] <diogenes_> jhutchins_wk, i'm not that familiar with networking so could you provide more details?
1925 [18:40:47] <n4dir> ksk: i don't think so.
1926 [18:40:47] <ksk> zumba_addict: apt-cache search linux source --names-only
1927 [18:41:03] <jhutchins_wk> !based on debian
1928 [18:41:03] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1930 [18:41:07] <zumba_addict> that worked! Thanks
1931 [18:41:19] <zumba_addict> it's Debian Stretch
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1933 [18:41:48] <n4dir> ksk: damn it. sure i think so. that is what i meant, but the manpages tells it in a very hard-to-get-way.
1934 [18:41:59] <diogenes_> ok got it thanks.
1935 [18:42:04] <jhutchins_wk> diogenes_: I don't even know what software mx would use to establish a hotspot, so I really can't be more specific.
1936 [18:42:45] <jhutchins_wk> diogenes_: All I have is replaced-url
1937 [18:43:27] <diogenes_> jhutchins_wk, ok i'll open a thread there thanks!
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1940 [18:44:11] <EdePopede> *sigh*. mc got finally killed. BUT.... i wanted to check what was copied and now i have to wait for the file command to also finish.... too much blood in the coffee for sure -.-
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1942 [18:44:41] <rydare> yeah diogenes_ it doesn't seem like there's an official irc for that distro, might be worth looking into a more supported distro
1943 [18:44:51] <WallacePip> hello, I was copying files to a block device, and it went on to copy even after the displayed number of files (to be copied) was reached, and I stopped it then. can this happen?
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1945 [18:45:17] <diogenes_> rydare, yes, that makes sense.
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1951 [18:49:10] <Li> when I run Rufus from command box (after WinKey) and sends a message sudo /usr/bin/unetbootin or su - -c '/usr/bin/unetbootin'
1952 [18:49:22] <Li> then it shows the GUI perfectly ...
1953 [18:49:34] <Li> if I run the given suggestions it appears as blank window
1954 [18:49:54] <Li> any suggestions
1955 [18:51:00] <jelly> Li: no idea, but avoid using either rufus or unetbootin for creating debian installer or debian live usb sticks
1956 [18:51:44] <jhutchins_wk> WallacePip: Obviously it can, since it did. Your understanding of which files you meant to copy was different that the copy utility's.
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1958 [18:52:25] <WallacePip> jhutchins_wk, "my understanding of"? I am using the plain old nautilus copy paste
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1960 [18:52:58] <WallacePip> it is counting itself the files to be copied at start
1961 [18:52:59] <jhutchins_wk> WallacePip: That's one of the dangers of using a GUI for file management. Sometimes you've captured more than you meant to.
1962 [18:53:40] <WallacePip> jhutchins_wk, the bizarre thing is that it is not me who counted the files, the program tells me that x files will be copied, and then goes above it
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1968 [18:55:14] <WallacePip> I select the files to be copied, and the program counts them and tells how many.
1969 [18:55:23] <Li> jelly: I'm trying to create windows 10 usb installer from debian box
1970 [18:56:06] <mtn> Li: I hear woeusb is the tool to use for that
1971 [18:56:06] <jelly> Li: WoeUSB is probably the right tool
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1973 [18:56:16] <jelly> hah
1974 [18:56:26] <hexhaxtron> I'm trying to run shellinaboxd and it works but Firefox says: The owner of thunix.org has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.
1975 [18:56:35] <hexhaxtron> How can I create a certificate for shellinabox that works with Firefox?
1976 [18:56:40] <EdePopede> for the files: `umount -l` (lazy unmount) released the blocked partition
1977 [18:56:55] * jelly managed to do it with its previous incarnation, WinUSB
1978 [18:57:01] <ksk> ,version shellinaboxd
1979 [18:57:03] <judd> No package named 'shellinaboxd' was found in amd64.
1980 [18:57:04] <hexhaxtron> I got Let's Encrypt certificates but I don't know how to use them with shellinabox.
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1982 [18:57:34] <Li> never heard of it .. googling now
1983 [18:57:39] <ksk> hexhaxtron: what is that in the first place? are you trying to mitm some ssl connection? hope its not too easy :)
1984 [18:58:10] <ksk> also, use curl maybe for testing, firefox is not too technical with its messages (That one says kind of nothing useful)
1985 [18:58:22] <hexhaxtron> ksk, I wanted to provide a Web Shell for all my users.
1986 [18:58:25] <n4dir> user$ apt-cache search shellina
1987 [18:58:25] <n4dir> shellinabox - publish command line shell through AJAX interface
1988 [18:58:40] <n4dir> old-stable though.
1989 [18:58:59] <ksk> so you are asking how to host an ssl site?
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1991 [18:59:08] <jelly> EdePopede: fwiw, umount -l doesn't actually release resources, it just hides the mountpoint from any further access so new process won't get stuck on it
1992 [18:59:27] <jelly> EdePopede: but any kernel or userspace that's already stuck is still stuck
1993 [18:59:29] <hexhaxtron> ksk, I just want Firefox to not complain about the certificates when I connect to shellinabox.
1994 [18:59:42] <ksk> hexhaxtron: replaced-url
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1996 [19:00:11] <hexhaxtron> ksk, wait.
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1999 [19:00:36] <hexhaxtron> ksk, try this one: replaced-url
2000 [19:00:37] <ksk> Id google something like "debian $release letsencrypt" or rather upgrade the box to stable if possible ( I am not sure if oldstable has problems with letsencrypt, just assuming here )
2001 [19:01:04] <greycat> hexhaxtron: well obviously you already have a valid cert ON that box on port 80's web server, so what are you doing?
2002 [19:01:12] <Primer> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X. Nvidia driver installed from apt. Looks like it's using mesa. No amount of update-alternative or apt purge / install gets rid of that. Thoughts?
2003 [19:01:22] <Primer> ksk: Do yourself a favor: use acme.sh
2004 [19:01:24] <hexhaxtron> greycat, shellinabox doesn't use it... wait.
2005 [19:01:29] <ksk> okay, forget what I wrote, curl says you are using a self signed cert?
2006 [19:01:41] <ksk> Primer: should that have gone to hexhaxtron? ;)
2007 [19:01:47] <Primer> ksk: indeed
2008 [19:02:13] <Primer> Seriously though, if you use Letsencrypt, use acme.sh. BY FAR the easiest front end to LE
2009 [19:02:18] <greycat> google-chrome says the cert on replaced-url
2010 [19:02:37] <greycat> Primer: I used dehydrated, on wheezy. But it was a post-wheezy version.
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2012 [19:02:47] <hexhaxtron> greycat, replaced-url
2013 [19:02:59] <hexhaxtron> greycat, however certificate.pem is mod 777
2014 [19:03:03] <greycat> tell me why I should open this paste, what's in it, what am I supposed to look for...
2015 [19:03:22] <WallacePip> so the answer is, yes that happens, nautilus does that kind of thing, is it?
2016 [19:03:33] <hexhaxtron> greycat, if I run shellinaboxd in /tmp like: shellinaboxd -p 6175 -v
2017 [19:03:43] <jelly> I use dehydrated from stretch or jessie-backports on squeeze and wheezy and jessie and everywhere
2018 [19:03:44] <hexhaxtron> greycat, it works but Firefox complains about the certificates.
2019 [19:03:59] <greycat> You write these things as if I have a clue what they mean. Is shellinaboxd an HTTP service? Can you simply have nginx gateway to it?
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2021 [19:04:11] <WallacePip> this is horrible because I don't have a way to know if the files I want to have copied have been really copied
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2023 [19:04:34] <ksk> WallacePip: It might not be what you want to hear, but how about using rsync on the CLI? :x
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2026 [19:04:48] <hexhaxtron> greycat, it's a Web Shell, a way to use SSH with a browser.
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2028 [19:05:06] <greycat> If you've got nginx working on thunix.org:80 then just add a virtual host for your shellinabox thing and gateway to it, and voila. Oh, and of course, you'll need to add the virtual domain to the cert.
2029 [19:05:08] <WallacePip> ksk, true, it is not
2030 [19:05:16] <jelly> hexhaxtron: does it have a manual?
2031 [19:05:33] <greycat> ssh with.... oh, no. no no no no no. bloody hell no.
2032 [19:05:38] <hexhaxtron> jelly, I'm not sure.
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2035 [19:06:29] <n4dir> WallacePip: as far i can tell: Yes, then there is no way to tell if you have copied the files you want to copy.
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2037 [19:08:07] <WallacePip> n4dir, in my entire linux history this never happened before
2038 [19:08:26] <ksk> hexhaxtron: it might be a little off but why not run mosh on your server and let the people use the mosh addon for chrome? (mosh is an ssh replacement). You seem to miss fundamental aspects of hosting a multi service architecture, and hosting an ssh terminal via https does not sound too sane in the first place if you would ask me.. (one could argue that about chrome-mosh, too though)
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2040 [19:09:29] <ksk> If you want to continue on that road Id go with greyca-ts advice and put that app behind an (nginx) reverse proxy and let nginx handle ssl.
2041 [19:09:39] <n4dir> WallacePip: if it was me i would probably delete everything which has been copied, start from scratch. If the same happens again, ask the folks who know that filemanager (assuming they have irc or such).
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2043 [19:10:05] <ksk> there should be plenty of "howtos" (check nginx.org) on reverse proxy setups and/or ssl(Letsencrypt) with nginx
2044 [19:10:06] <n4dir> sure sounds weird, but i don't know filemanagers.
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2046 [19:10:14] <EdePopede> jelly: seems to have worked at least... the blocking processes are gone, fs is ok, reconnected, mounted (ro for the moment). waiting if errors show up
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2053 [19:14:17] <WallacePip> when the initial file count was reached, there were still many files to be copied, which shows that the initial count was not correct
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2055 [19:17:54] <petn-randall> WallacePip: How did you count the files in the first place?
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2057 [19:18:28] <WallacePip> petn-randall, I didnt count them. nautilus counts them before copying
2058 [19:18:40] <WallacePip> it calls that "preparing files"
2059 [19:19:51] <petn-randall> WallacePip: Maybe the number of files changed in between?
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2062 [19:22:28] <WallacePip> petn-randall, I have no idea how that may have happened
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2069 [19:25:29] <n4dir> with that little info ("it did happen") it sure is hard to tell for anyone else.
2070 [19:27:30] <n4dir> did directories get copied too? do all files come from one directory? do all files go into one directory? hidden files involved? etc. Still nautilus users should be the better audience for such a question.
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2073 [19:29:24] <WallacePip> n4dir, it followed the regular order of files and folders, only the displayed count fell short of the real total
2074 [19:30:25] <EdePopede> WallacePip: just an idea: hardlinks?
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2076 [19:30:32] <n4dir> i think everyone did understand that.
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2086 [19:34:25] <petn-randall> WallacePip: If in doubt, use Nautilus to copy those files, and use `rsync --dry-run <params>` to verify it got fully copied. It will tell you which files are missing.
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2089 [19:36:35] <Primer> cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/; mv libglx.so libglx.so.wtf; restart X (not reboot)
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2091 [19:36:56] <Primer> [490632.552] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so
2092 [19:36:58] <Primer> [490632.618] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
2093 [19:37:01] <Primer> fixed
2094 [19:37:06] <Primer> Didn't reboot
2095 [19:37:08] <Primer> FYI
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2098 [19:37:42] <Primer> bnet working
2099 [19:38:04] <Primer> waiting for it to tell me wow is playable before trying...
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2101 [19:38:09] <WallacePip> petn-randall, I've done a manual check, individual file counts of folders match the source. I will note the command for this happens again, thank you!
2102 [19:38:17] <Primer> fonts are still hosed
2103 [19:40:20] <Primer> And there we go. Frame rate in wow is what I expected.
2104 [19:40:42] <petn-randall> Primer: Not much we can say about it since you left out all the relevant details.
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2106 [19:41:45] <Primer> glx in X was using mesa. Seemed to be a distro issue. Moved libglx.so from mesa out of the way, restarted X, now all is well
2107 [19:41:51] <petn-randall> But I'd say if you start renaming system files broken fonts are the least surprise.
2108 [19:42:05] <Primer> naw, that's a known thing with a missing font package
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2110 [19:42:20] <petn-randall> Primer: Which distro release?
2111 [19:42:50] <Primer> Debian 9, but using testing
2112 [19:43:22] <WallacePip> thank you all for your insights!
2113 [19:43:49] <petn-randall> Primer: That's contradictionary. 9 is stable, 10 is testing.
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2115 [19:44:21] <petn-randall> Or is it a mix of both?
2116 [19:44:36] <Primer> It's 9 using testing repo
2117 [19:44:52] <greycat> In other words it's testing?
2118 [19:44:59] <Primer> or whatever the term is. I have testing in sources.list, not stretch
2119 [19:45:06] <greycat> You upgraded from 9 to testing.
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2121 [19:45:20] <Primer> that
2122 [19:45:28] <Primer> Sorry, not up to speed with all the lingo
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2124 [19:46:15] <Primer> But yeah, co-worker has the same exact hardware I have, same distro setup in the exact same way, nvidia packages all installed from Debian repos, his worked out of the box, mine did not
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2126 [19:46:18] <petn-randall> Primer: If you're running testing, I'm sure you're fully aware that this is not a finished release that is still in heavy change, and things regularly break there.
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2128 [19:46:33] <petn-randall> Primer: Maybe because he was running stable?
2129 [19:46:36] <RoyK> !testing
2130 [19:46:37] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
2131 [19:46:37] <Primer> Obviously I did something else that caused this issue, but I don't think it was anything done outside of distro norms
2132 [19:46:48] <Primer> I do have an xorg.conf, but that's because I have 4 displays
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2134 [19:47:10] <Primer> oops, I thought I was in #nvidia :) my bad
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2136 [19:48:28] <Primer> petn-randall: yes, I understand that testing will have issues. It's only that my co-worker did pretty much the same thing I did to install and upgrade to testing, and his machine worked out of the box and mine did not. The only difference? I have an xorg.conf, he does not.
2137 [19:48:46] <Primer> But I may have done other things that I don't recall
2138 [19:49:06] <brokencycle> Hi! I'm having a problem with my zsh (on stretch): everytime I log in, zsh prints the /etc/motd and the environment. I don't know where to turn this off, at least for non-interactive sessions.
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2140 [19:49:24] <petn-randall> Primer: Your renaming of system files will definitely break again on the next package upgrade.
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2142 [19:49:52] <petn-randall> So I recommend finding a better way to accomplish what you want, likely by setting the right things in your xorg.conf.
2143 [19:50:17] <Primer> petn-randall: I know. I just wanted the immediate problem solved. Hoping the problem, if one of the distro, solves itself after some time
2144 [19:51:08] <Primer> I doubt the xorg.conf is the problem, but I know entries in there can affect what X modules get loaded
2145 [19:51:16] <petn-randall> Primer: If you lurk in the testing channel, you'll notice that the non-free nvidia drivers break periodically. Maybe your coworker did the upgrade a day before, and those packages we're still all good.
2146 [19:51:28] <Primer> I only mentioned it because it's the one thing that stood out
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2148 [19:52:10] <Primer> petn-randall: excellent observation. He did install his machine several weeks before I installed mine, and he doesn't not apt ugprade willy nilly like I do
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2150 [19:52:23] <Primer> s/not//
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2156 [19:58:08] <at0m> Primer: on testing, i got a bunch of different kernels, not sure if its the nvidia drivers but only kernel 4.15 gets me to a desktop.
2157 [19:59:19] <Primer> at0m: There were some issues with the driver and early version of that kernel
2158 [19:59:55] <at0m> Primer: oh, and 4.17.0-3-amd64 runs ok with it, too
2159 [20:00:35] <Primer> 4.17.17-1 here, and it's fine, now that I fixed that libglx issue
2160 [20:01:11] <Primer> But AFAIK, the issues were GL, and would not have prevented X from working
2161 [20:02:06] <at0m> for more, irc.oftc.net/debian-next =)
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2167 [20:05:13] <LaScoumoune> Hi all, debian strecht have no add a new support for HDMI, because i cant work that properly, Ihave an intel and an Nvidia card i have try many time and always not work. ANy have a good idea ??
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2169 [20:05:58] <gvvg_> Hi - does anyone know of a live cd that could do some penetration testing? or other suggestion?
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2171 [20:07:10] <Habbie> gvvg_, Kali is popular for that - but I'm not even sure it's Debian based
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2173 [20:07:25] <gvvg_> ah yes I was just on their website - reading :)
2174 [20:07:31] <gvvg_> thanks Habbie
2175 [20:07:40] <greycat> It's Debian-based, for whatever that's worth.
2176 [20:07:49] <greycat> (nothing in this channel)
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2178 [20:08:44] <rakor> I'm new to systemd. How can I see which services are started at boottime?
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2181 [20:11:15] <brokencycle> rakor: look in /etc/systemd
2182 [20:12:00] <rakor> hmm... ok, thanks. Is there a newbie-reference somewhere?
2183 [20:12:16] <petn-randall> rakor: `systemctl list-unit-files` will show you a list. The 2nd column shows you if it's enabled or something else.
2184 [20:12:36] <rakor> thanks :)
2185 [20:12:51] <petn-randall> brokencycle: That won't show you the whole picture.
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2222 [20:40:37] <queip> one of my debian machines seem to reject incoming ethernet data sent to broadcast mac (ff:ff:ff...), on another computer it works... is there a setting to reject incoming mac broadcast?
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2224 [20:41:06] <queip> data is delivered to it's NIC, because it is sent from directly attached computer sending raw ethernet broadcast frames (no switch/router in between)
2225 [20:41:18] <queip> it's interface stats, like bmon, show no data is received
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2227 [20:42:15] <jelly> queip: do you see the frames with a sniffer, like "tcpdump -ni eth0" ?
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2229 [20:43:13] <jelly> also, is link up and does other traffic pass arrive normally
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2235 [20:45:11] <queip> jelly: tcpdump -ni does not see it on that machine, sees it on another machine
2236 [20:46:09] <greycat> are you sure the packets are going to the machine? how is the network laid out?
2237 [20:46:11] <fearnothing> hi guys, if I'm running stretch, what would I need to do to get squid 4? Don't really think I want to use the unstable branch
2238 [20:46:12] <queip> jelly: other traffic seems to work, also other ethernet frames
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2240 [20:46:22] <queip> greycat: directly attached
2241 [20:46:37] <fearnothing> experimental likewise is probably not my bag
2242 [20:46:40] <queip> sending machine's NIC goes directly via cable to receiver NIC
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2245 [20:46:57] <greycat> ,checkbackport squid
2246 [20:47:08] <judd> Backporting package squid in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual.
2247 [20:47:14] <greycat> fearnothing: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
2248 [20:47:58] <jelly> queip: so that means if there's a tunable it will have to be in the driver, whether via ethtool or some other API
2249 [20:48:18] <brokencycle> petn-randall: what would be missing?
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2252 [20:48:51] <jelly> queip: while it's not precisely their topic, someone from #Netfilter might know more
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2255 [20:49:48] <jelly> queip: do you happen to know which card and driver works and which seems not to?
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2258 [20:50:48] <jelly> ,v squid3
2259 [20:50:49] <judd> Package: squid3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u8; jessie: 3.4.8-6+deb8u5; jessie-security: 3.4.8-6+deb8u5; sid: 3.5.23-5; stretch: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; sid: 3.5.27-1; buster: 4.2-2; sid: 4.2-2
2260 [20:52:45] <queip> jelly: hm, isn't it required for NIC to receive broadcast-mac packets, because without it nothing would work in networkin, e.g. ARP would fail?
2261 [20:53:21] <jelly> queip: does arp fail?
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2265 [20:56:21] <queip> jelly: how to hide from tcpdump given ethtype?
2266 [20:57:08] <queip> or show only given athtype
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2273 [21:00:29] <jhutchins_wk> queip: Hardware problem.
2274 [21:01:03] <jhutchins_wk> It's what happens when you gamble on a $3 NIC.
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2276 [21:01:33] <petn-randall> brokencycle: you'll at least have disabled/masked units listed under that path.
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2278 [21:02:07] <jelly> queip: no idea, I can't even find the correct man page for BPF filter syntax
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2282 [21:04:34] <queip> jhutchins_wk: it's a 200$ NIC
2283 [21:04:43] <jelly> queip: ah. > ether proto protocol -- True if the packet is of ether type protocol
2284 [21:05:00] * queip puts on some gold chains
2285 [21:05:20] <jelly> tcpdump -ni eth0 ether proto 8902 # wfm
2286 [21:05:25] <queip> oh nice
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2289 [21:05:44] <queip> jelly: btw I noticed, no both "good" and "bad" computer, tcp does receive some broadcast, just not from my test program
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2291 [21:05:55] <jelly> queip: but which $200 NIC and which driver
2292 [21:06:07] <queip> both receive e.g. 19:04:04.445734 00:1b:21:bc:8d:31 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype Unknown (0xfc00), length 76
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2295 [21:07:15] <queip> jelly: not working one is netxen_nic, working is ixgbe. but still could be system's fault, not NIC's
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2297 [21:08:12] <jelly> queip: and do you have firmware for netxen installed?
2298 [21:08:31] <jelly> oh, apparently 0x8902
2299 [21:09:03] <queip> jelly: version: 4.0.82 firmware-version: 4.0.593 (it is the one from Debian repository)
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2301 [21:09:47] <jelly> ,v firmware-netxen
2302 [21:09:48] <judd> Package: firmware-netxen on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1
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2304 [21:10:00] <queip> card works quite ok otherwise
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2306 [21:10:31] <queip> ii firmware-netxen 20161130-3
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2308 [21:10:55] <jelly> you could try the one from backports but I doubt it'll make a difference
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2311 [21:12:09] <jelly> I've had nothing but trouble with qlogic 10G cards but this is anecdotal evidence, sample was exactly one model
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2313 [21:12:50] <jelly> still, overheating is not quite the same as pretending frames do not happen
2314 [21:13:17] <jelly> queip: stupid question, does the little led light blink when the packet arrives? :-)
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2316 [21:13:48] <queip> jelly: can't test right now, as there is other traffic there so it would blink anyway, can turn it off later
2317 [21:13:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'd like to set an environment variable, globally at boot, even for noninteractive shells. but i need to to equal the output of a command. e.g. foobar=$(/usr/bin/something)
2318 [21:13:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> is that even possible?
2319 [21:13:56] <greycat> HE IS AN UBUNTU USER
2320 [21:14:05] <queip> PITCHFORKS ACTIVATED
2321 [21:14:06] <greycat> HE TRIED THIS SHIT IN #BASH
2322 [21:14:07] <NoImNotNineVolt> lol :P
2323 [21:14:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's actually amazon linux now, i think?
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2325 [21:14:39] <jelly> !autobots roll out
2326 [21:14:56] * NoImNotNineVolt quietly tiptoes over to oftc to crosspost there :P
2327 [21:15:02] <annadane> NO
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2329 [21:15:22] <annadane> i am there. i will eat you and your children.
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2334 [21:16:14] <queip> ubuntu users aren't allowed in #bash tho?
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2336 [21:18:36] <greycat> They are allowed to ask bash questions, of course. But when they ask about OS-specific boot stuff, and they are directed to their OS channels, and they refuse to go there, well....
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2338 [21:22:13] <queip> jelly: confirmed, the led blinks faster when flooding with such eth frames fast
2339 [21:22:20] <queip> on receiving
2340 [21:22:58] <queip> god damn, this leds are such inconvintly placed and dim
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2344 [21:27:29] <queip> jelly: it doesn't see (count) them even at ethtool -S level
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2346 [21:27:47] <queip> maybe this packages are malformed and netxen completly ignores them hm
2347 [21:27:56] <jelly> so blame either the driver or the firmware or the card
2348 [21:28:12] <jelly> packets
2349 [21:28:22] <queip> is there a tool to generate broadcast ethernet traffic?
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2353 [21:29:06] <jelly> no idea, scapy?
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2355 [21:29:22] <queip> and, are there really no settings in /proc or somewhere to ignore "strange" packages, like there was some ignore martians settings, for one
2356 [21:29:39] <queip> maybe it's on. iptables and other firewalls are off (at system defaults)
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2359 [21:30:15] <jelly> it would have appeared on the ether level.
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2363 [21:31:22] <jelly> not counted, nothing in tcpdump, means roughly it did not get to the kernel and that puts you in driver-specific teritory
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2365 [21:31:56] <jelly> tcpdump sees traffic that gets blocked by netfilter (iptables or whatever the current one is called)
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2367 [21:33:02] <RoyK> better use tshark - tcpdump is rather tcpdumb
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2369 [21:33:12] <rander2> hello
2370 [21:33:18] <rander2> !help
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2372 [21:33:32] <RoyK> dpkg: tell rander2 about ask
2373 [21:34:13] <annadane> rander2, just ask your question, we'll try to answer it
2374 [21:34:25] <annadane> also !tell isn't immediately obvious
2375 [21:34:37] <queip> who should fill in MAC of sender, the program doing raw send, or is it filled in by kernel/driver/firmware of card always to MAC of card it goes through
2376 [21:34:43] <queip> (in the packet)
2377 [21:35:20] <jelly> if you have raw socket API you can put in anything I guess
2378 [21:35:47] <queip> maybe netxen auto detects MAC on other side and drops if packets do not match
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2386 [21:38:34] <rander2> I mounted a htfs partition, but the partition is in read only mode
2387 [21:38:36] <queip> greycat: lol he moved to archlinux
2388 [21:38:43] <queip> (just saying for lolz)
2389 [21:38:54] <RoyK> htfs? ntfs? hpfs?
2390 [21:38:58] <rander2> I tried to change it with chmod 770 , but it don't change
2391 [21:39:04] <rander2> ntfs
2392 [21:39:05] <greycat> because obviously arch linux users will know how to alter the boot stuff on an ubuntu box
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2394 [21:39:46] <rander2> ls -ld mnt/
2395 [21:39:47] <rander2> dr-x------ 1 root root 16384 set 5 01:00 mnt/
2396 [21:39:57] <RoyK> rander2: better use ntfs3g
2397 [21:40:01] <greycat> 15:39 rander2> ntfs
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2399 [21:40:05] <rander2> must I change umask >
2400 [21:40:10] <rander2> ?
2401 [21:40:18] <greycat> Why would you expect Unix permissions to work on NTFS?
2402 [21:40:21] <RoyK> don't use ntfs on linux
2403 [21:40:35] <rander2> on ubuntu ntfs work
2404 [21:40:40] <rander2> only on debian no
2405 [21:40:53] <RoyK> rander2: why do you want to use ntfs?
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2407 [21:40:55] <greycat> Then go use Ubuntu.
2408 [21:40:59] <rander2> I must use this partition
2409 [21:41:13] <greycat> !listkeys ntfs
2410 [21:41:15] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 38): #debian captiventfs ;; #debian ntfs ;; #debian ntfsro ;; #debian ntfsrw ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian user accessible ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs rw ;; _default ntfsrw ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfsclone ;; ntfsmount ;; ntfsrw ;; rsync to ntfs ;; user accessible ntfs.
2411 [21:41:21] <greycat> !ntfsrw
2412 [21:41:21] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: replaced-url
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2414 [21:42:02] <rander2> so if I install ntfs-3g work ?
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2419 [21:43:17] <yokowka> hyskaru, heavenO, let's one on one talk??))
2420 [21:43:32] <vjacob> have you ever read of plans to offer a port of FreeBSD ZFS (or similar) to Debian (or another relevant Linux distribution)?
2421 [21:44:08] <LtL> rander2: yes it will, using the correct mount syntax of course. You need FUSE also, but that should be present.
2422 [21:44:12] <greycat> is that somehow different from the existing zfs-on-linux stuff?
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2424 [21:44:30] <rander2> ok thx all
2425 [21:44:38] <rander2> now go
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2427 [21:45:08] <rgr> zfs root is a google away
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2432 [21:46:20] <Li> I was suggested ealier here to isntall/use WoeUSB to make bootable usb but it's not installing!
2433 [21:46:41] <Li> followed this tutorial replaced-url
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2435 [21:47:23] <Li> is it ok to download/install these .deb files on debian 9.3? replaced-url
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2437 [21:48:18] <rander2> installing ntfs-3g I obtained this warning : replaced-url
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2439 [21:48:51] <annadane> for future reference, it's preferable to use paste.debian.net
2440 [21:48:53] <annadane> !pastebin.com
2441 [21:48:53] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
2442 [21:48:54] <rander2> are they proprietary firmware ? I'm using deb 9.5 amd64
2443 [21:49:17] <LtL> rander2: you need realtek firmware
2444 [21:49:26] <annadane> package firmware-realtek
2445 [21:49:38] <vjacob> greycat, not necessarily, but i haven't checked in in a long while
2446 [21:49:47] <annadane> you don't *need* it as such. it depends on your needs
2447 [21:49:51] <vjacob> regards to all and thanks for a great distro
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2449 [21:51:05] <jelly> rander2: if your wired ethernet works, you can ignore those non-fatal warnings of missing firmware
2450 [21:51:08] <rander2> annadane, ok, they are firmware of audio card
2451 [21:51:38] <annadane> most people will just install it to get it over with, though
2452 [21:51:43] <annadane> in case they do need it in future
2453 [21:51:43] <jelly> rtl_nic is NOT audio card, it's wired ethernet
2454 [21:51:50] <annadane> depends on your stance on non-free software
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2456 [21:52:16] <jelly> nost people don't need TCP checksum hw offload
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2460 [21:52:44] <jelly> if your wired ethernet works, do NOT install firmware for it. That can actually introduce problems.
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2463 [21:53:10] <rander2> eth0 work, I confuse it with audio card, that is realtek too
2464 [21:53:25] <yokowka_> hyskaru, lost connection....
2465 [21:53:50] <jelly> so ignore that. It's probably going to appear on every initramfs rebuild
2466 [21:53:53] <hyskaru> yokowka_: No problem
2467 [21:54:09] <yokowka_> make one on one talk
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2476 [21:57:36] <annadane> i actually was not aware firmware could cause problems
2477 [21:57:37] <annadane> TIL
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2483 [21:59:18] <queip> how would you capture ethernet data on one computer
2484 [21:59:28] <queip> to later open it in wireshark on anotehr computer
2485 [21:59:32] <queip> (the working computer is headless)
2486 [22:00:10] <ksk> queip: tcpdump
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2488 [22:00:23] <queip> just -w? it's the best format?
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2490 [22:01:49] <ksk> thats the one I used so far, no Idea if there are "better" ones.
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2494 [22:02:10] <ksk> you can also give it -i for an specific interface
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2510 [22:14:38] <queip> jelly: problem resolved. guess what was it
2511 [22:14:55] <queip> hint: fix was applied in sending program
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2513 [22:16:20] <jelly> pebkac?
2514 [22:16:32] <jelly> a layer8 error?
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2517 [22:16:52] <jelly> an id-10 t issue?
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2519 [22:17:14] <queip> jelly: this raw data was random, but it had ethertype set to IPv4
2520 [22:17:34] <queip> apparently netxen is so "nice" that it pre-filters somehow incorrect ipv4 frames (wrong checksums etc)
2521 [22:17:45] <jelly> ouch
2522 [22:17:46] <queip> so early that it doesn't even show up in stats
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2524 [22:18:13] <queip> probably would show up in --phy-statistics , but netxen driver doesn't provide that :)
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2526 [22:19:27] <queip> generally it's a nice function there, but it really should count it as "dropped"
2527 [22:20:36] <queip> instead of ethtool -S eth3
2528 [22:20:40] <queip> rx_dropped: 0
2529 [22:20:43] <queip> cakes: 1
2530 [22:20:44] <queip> you lier
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2560 [22:41:18] <roylaprattep> Currently am on Debian Jessie, I want to dist-upgrade to Strech, it's a small home server with not so many packages, would it probably go flawlessly?
2561 [22:41:53] <greycat> Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but servers typically upgrade from 8->9 with no issues.
2562 [22:42:12] <greycat> The biggest changes are in the video drivers, which affect workstations/laptops more.
2563 [22:42:24] <roylaprattep> Headless server.
2564 [22:43:24] <bites> will probably require you to make some manual config merges. like every distribution upgrade.
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2566 [22:43:42] <greycat> replaced-url
2567 [22:43:49] <roylaprattep> bites: I always use new configurations, then do them again from scratch from a backup.
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2569 [22:44:30] <roylaprattep> I hate to merge 2 differents config files together.
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2576 [22:52:03] <rander2> I upgraded from 8 to 9.5 yesterday, and there is a bug in pppoe-discovery program, it's go only with the classic eth0 interfacrs
2577 [22:52:53] <rander2> another problem is to locate the .deb on memory-stick or dvd
2578 [22:54:07] <rander2> basically is the machine is connected with pppoe or pppoatm , by default debian don't install pppoe , and it's impossible install it manually
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2581 [22:55:44] <rander2> debian try to connect to the bridge with dhclient , the bridge give it a private IP, typically 192.168.*.* , but the internet connection don't go without pppoe program
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2583 [22:56:37] <rander2> finish installation, it's impossible install pppoe manually to complety upgrade on line. This is a problem.
2584 [22:56:54] <greycat> what's the bug number?
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2591 [23:01:55] <fearnothing> would my PID file not existing be the reason ssl_crtd helpers crash too rapidly?
2592 [23:02:08] <fearnothing> oh wait, wrong channel
2593 [23:02:42] <fearnothing> if you guys happen to know how to configure squid with tor/privoxy/ssl_bump, then answers are welcome, otherwise I'll ask in the right channel :D
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2595 [23:03:50] <at0m> a caching proxy? or tor? hmm
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2597 [23:04:06] <at0m> why does that not sound like a good idea?
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2609 [23:10:41] <fearnothing> at0m, depends what you want to do
2610 [23:10:59] <at0m> fearnothing: right, considered that later. depends on the usecase
2611 [23:11:01] <fearnothing> if you want to sandbox malware and break out its C2 traffic, it's a great idea
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2613 [23:11:29] <fearnothing> anything else and it's probably bad :D
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2616 [23:12:10] <at0m> yea if you're after anonymity, cache will sell you out
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2618 [23:13:28] <fearnothing> well, in this case anonymity is safe
2619 [23:13:57] <AciD`> hey guys, any ideas why and when `time` output on Debian isn't the usual 'real', 'user' and 'system' 3 lines? Now I get that : 'du -sh . 0,00s user 0,00s system 71% cpu 0,003 total'
2620 [23:14:15] <fearnothing> I control the cache, the only user is my sandbox, and it's on a host only network in its hypervisor
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2622 [23:17:45] <at0m> fearnothing: just wanted to point out the obvious risk with caching for typical tor usecase
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2637 [23:33:40] <fearnothing> yeah no worries at0m :) most people are not going to be doing what I am
2638 [23:33:47] <fearnothing> I'm a bit of a nutter
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2640 [23:34:05] <at0m> nick says it all ;p
2641 [23:34:45] <at0m> fits the job :)
2642 [23:35:29] <fearnothing> most people's job with relation to malware: don't click that sh*t
2643 [23:35:41] <fearnothing> my job with relation to malware: CLICK IIIIIIIIT <3
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