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73 [01:29:13] <yokowka> heavenO everysoul!!!! got gnome 3.22.2 debian 9 stretch, how to move tray down?
74 [01:29:48] <protectionfault> hi yokowka
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76 [01:29:53] <protectionfault> what do you mean with tray?
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78 [01:30:12] <protectionfault> the whole bar your tray is in, like in windows on the bottom instead of the top?
79 [01:30:26] <yokowka> i mean now tray at the top, i need it bottom))
80 [01:30:41] <protectionfault> do have the tweaktool?\
81 [01:31:14] <yokowka> how it be on rusian tweaktool, my system not english...&
82 [01:31:19] <yokowka> ?
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84 [01:32:10] <protectionfault> good point, im thinking
85 [01:32:21] <yokowka> ))
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88 [01:33:53] <protectionfault> i have browsed through the options in both the settings and tweak tool for you, there are no easy shortcuts to placing your activity bar on the bottom of the screen
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90 [01:34:20] <protectionfault> this means it is possible, but more work than you currently think
91 [01:35:46] <yokowka> not good....
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94 [01:37:29] <yokowka> protectionfault, can you help me with dash??
95 [01:37:39] <yokowka> to dock
96 [01:38:09] <protectionfault> small chance
97 [01:38:58] <yokowka> is it possible to make dash more beauty loking??
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100 [01:39:10] <yokowka> loocking
101 [01:39:48] <protectionfault> yes, certainly possible, but requires you to edit configuration files manually
102 [01:40:11] <rydare> your GTK theme can theme the dash
103 [01:40:13] <protectionfault> everything has a good manual
104 [01:40:13] <rydare> dock
105 [01:40:38] <protectionfault> and you only have to do it once in your life, then save the config forever
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108 [01:41:17] <yokowka> rydare, protectionfault site with GTK do not enters me((
109 [01:42:07] <rydare> replaced-url
110 [01:42:14] <rydare> not all of them will theme the dash2dock
111 [01:42:20] <rydare> the good ones will
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113 [01:43:14] <yokowka> rydare humans of heavens - bless you, now i borrow a look on it))
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117 [01:49:10] <yokowka> rydare, gtk3 mean gnome 3?
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120 [01:52:22] <rydare> gnome3 uses gtk3 to display widgets, basically things you see in programs
121 [01:52:33] <rydare> kde plasma uses qt, an alternative
122 [01:55:41] <yokowka> wrighty then)) how to make dash to dock one in one look like 3d apple computer?))
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124 [01:56:24] <yokowka> 3d dash i mean, angly not smooth
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126 [01:58:34] <usney> rydare what's up?
127 [01:58:48] <usney> trying new things to get the hdmi audio to work
128 [01:58:52] <rydare> just getting ready to leave
129 [01:59:01] <usney> wow
130 [01:59:05] <usney> for work?
131 [01:59:13] <rydare> church thing :D
132 [01:59:35] <usney> I just installed the full firmware instead of the default mini
133 [01:59:40] <rydare> yokowka: replaced-url
134 [01:59:46] <usney> seeing if that will work
135 [01:59:49] <rydare> the dock doesn't look 3d, it looks like new mac
136 [01:59:51] <rydare> which is more flat
137 [02:00:24] <rydare> good luck usney and yokowka
138 [02:00:28] <rydare> i have to leave now
139 [02:00:34] <usney> see you
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142 [02:02:07] <yokowka> rydare, best luck to you!
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147 [02:11:16] <usney> hello yokowka
148 [02:11:34] <usney> I use plank as a dock
149 [02:11:44] <usney> which dock do you or will use?
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154 [02:17:19] <yokowka> usney, i want plank use too
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160 [02:21:27] <yokowka> usney, how to install plank and theme in it?
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165 [02:25:05] <hyskaru> yokowka: the themes are in ~/.local/share/plank/themes
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170 [02:27:31] <usney> I don't use any themes yokowka
171 [02:27:42] <usney> I just turn on transparency
172 [02:27:55] <yokowka> hyskaru, is some dock looks like mac's ungled dash?? like on macbook?
173 [02:28:50] <hyskaru> yokowka: you want a plank theme like sierra ?
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177 [02:31:24] <n4dir> there is cairo-dock, but i don't remember it well.
178 [02:31:40] <hyskaru> you can just install plank and a theme like on macos
179 [02:31:54] <yokowka> hyskaru, plank, docky are some more but looks like osx snow leopard in which dash is angled not smooth!!
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181 [02:32:51] <yokowka> hyskaru, all plank macos themes looks like smooth((
182 [02:33:03] <hyskaru> yokowka: replaced-url
183 [02:33:27] <hyskaru> yokowka: you can change on the plank config
184 [02:33:31] <yokowka> hyskaru, best luck to you!
185 [02:33:56] <hyskaru> yokowka: right click on plank you can change the angle
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188 [02:36:15] <yokowka> hyskaru, what is the manual how to install plank and all config in it step by step??
189 [02:37:52] <hyskaru> yokowka: sudo apt install plank
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197 [02:41:22] <yokowka> hyskaru, done, what is second step?))
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199 [02:41:30] <hyskaru> then download the zip on the page
200 [02:42:03] <hyskaru> and extract the zip on ~/.local/share/plank/themes
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202 [02:43:39] <yokowka> how to find ~/.local ?))
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204 [02:44:03] <hyskaru> yokowka: download the zip
205 [02:44:15] <hyskaru> extract the zip, open your file manager
206 [02:44:18] <hyskaru> then ctrl + h
207 [02:44:20] <yokowka> already
208 [02:44:27] <hyskaru> you can see the hidden folders
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210 [02:44:43] <yokowka> ctrl + h fine
211 [02:44:50] <hyskaru> do you see .local ?
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215 [02:45:57] <yokowka> yep!!))))
216 [02:46:05] <hyskaru> nice
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220 [02:48:07] <yokowka> no in share/ - / plank((
221 [02:48:18] <hyskaru> yokowka:
222 [02:49:01] <hyskaru> put the folder theme in .local/share/plank/themes
223 [02:49:48] <yokowka> in ~/.local/share not exist folder named plank((
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225 [02:50:40] <hyskaru> cd .local/share && mkdir -p /plank/themes
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230 [02:52:59] <yokowka> i've type cd .local/share && mkdir -p /plank/themes answer was: makedir access denied...
231 [02:53:09] <hyskaru> yokowa
232 [02:53:16] <hyskaru> go on the folder where you have extracted the zip fole
233 [02:53:27] <hyskaru> right click, open a terminal here and type
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235 [02:53:50] <hyskaru> mkdir -p ~/.local/share/plank/themes && mv Gnosierra ~/.lcoal/share/plank/themes/
236 [02:54:06] <hyskaru> mkdir -p ~/.local/share/plank/themes && mv Gnosierra ~/.local/share/plank/themes/
237 [02:54:08] <hyskaru> sorry typo
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239 [02:56:35] <yokowka> never mind, all are done, exist folder plank and folder gnosierra in it!!)) third step is...&&
240 [02:56:40] <yokowka> ??
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242 [02:57:06] <hyskaru> yokowka:
243 [02:57:09] <hyskaru> what is the output of
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245 [02:57:19] <hyskaru> ls ~/.local/share/plank/themes/
246 [02:58:09] <yokowka> gnosierra
247 [02:58:13] <hyskaru> perfect
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249 [02:58:20] <hyskaru> then you can change the theme on plank
250 [02:59:13] <yokowka> one dilem is. still dash to dock in the bottom of the screen...((((
251 [02:59:34] <hyskaru> you can disable dash to sock
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253 [02:59:36] <hyskaru> dock
254 [02:59:46] <yokowka> how to??
255 [03:00:58] <hyskaru> check in the gnome config, i doesn't use gnome
256 [03:01:03] <hyskaru> your plank theme works ?
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259 [03:01:52] <yokowka> hyskaru, i don't know, how to find it??
260 [03:02:10] <hyskaru> find what, the theme or how to disable ?
261 [03:02:23] <yokowka> i mean plank make instead of dash to dock...
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263 [03:03:03] <yokowka> how disable dash and enabled plank!
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267 [03:03:49] <hyskaru> yokowka: replaced-url
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269 [03:04:10] <hyskaru> just remove
270 [03:04:32] <hyskaru> in gnome-tweak-tools, go on extensions
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275 [03:07:42] <yokowka> made how on the screen shot , what next??
276 [03:08:10] <hyskaru> dash to dock is disabled ?
277 [03:09:39] <yokowka> enabled, just moved to the left like on screen shot.
278 [03:10:07] <hyskaru> yokowka: you can disable it you have a button for disable
279 [03:11:35] <yokowka> yes i have, for plank i need to see what programs on dash to copy them there!!))
280 [03:11:48] <hyskaru> yokowka: for change the theme
281 [03:12:01] <hyskaru> right clic on plank, then preferences
282 [03:12:16] <hyskaru> and in the theme part now you would see gnosierra
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284 [03:14:48] <yokowka> but where is selecting of ungle plank?? how to make starting plank with startin of debian??
285 [03:16:14] <hyskaru> yokowka: check on gnome-tweak-tools, you have startup applications
286 [03:16:17] <hyskaru> check if plank is here
287 [03:17:52] <yokowka> now plank is there)) how to make ungled plank, not smooth??
288 [03:18:12] <yokowka> how to add applet on plank?
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290 [03:19:15] <hyskaru> yokowka: right click on plank
291 [03:19:17] <hyskaru> and preferences
292 [03:19:51] <yokowka> yep and...??
293 [03:19:58] <hyskaru> try to move alignment
294 [03:20:20] <hyskaru> don't remember how to
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296 [03:20:28] <hyskaru> you have behaviour and docklets
297 [03:21:52] <yokowka> alignment not chage the angle((
298 [03:22:08] <hyskaru> check on behaviour and docklets i don't remember
299 [03:23:16] <yokowka> pitty
300 [03:23:32] <hyskaru> ?
301 [03:23:46] <yokowka> if you can - remember then))
302 [03:23:55] <hyskaru> wait i start a vm
303 [03:23:57] <hyskaru> to try
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305 [03:24:12] <hyskaru> do you have set the gnosierra theme ?
306 [03:24:25] <yokowka> best you can do to help me))
307 [03:24:45] <yokowka> yep gnosierra theme is on
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310 [03:32:10] <hyskaru> yokowka: what do you want, a zoom when you go on the icon ?
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312 [03:33:53] <yokowka> hyskaru, plank disapeared(( in dash exist item plank, but not at the bottom.... i eed plank look like fall tower by the sides left and right - trapecium
313 [03:34:09] <yokowka> *need
314 [03:34:43] <hyskaru> what do you mean by disapeared ?
315 [03:35:04] <yokowka> not exist now((
316 [03:35:22] <hyskaru> put the mouse where plank is located
317 [03:35:25] <hyskaru> autohide ?
318 [03:35:48] <yokowka> not autohide, go off
319 [03:36:20] <yokowka> it not runs
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321 [03:36:33] <yokowka> from dash....
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341 [03:57:26] <Gerowen> Anybody know how in the world to uninstall onedrive-d if you've installed it manually from git?
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343 [04:02:19] <klys> gerowen, make uninstall; is the usual way to uninstall from source.
344 [04:04:20] <Gerowen> klys: It had its own custom installer, a python script I believe. I'll have to poke around, it's been a week or two since I messed with it and I'm just going to download my Onedrive stuff from the website because it's not working too hot for whatever reason.
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347 [04:11:42] <Gerowen> Got it, pip3 uninstall onedrive-d
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349 [04:15:38] <Gerowen> Still had to do some manual cleanup, but got rid of it.
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390 [05:17:56] <beepnboop-> rydare,
391 [05:18:08] <rydare> oh no it's beepnboop-
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403 [05:40:12] <k_sze[work]> Ever since upgrading our server from Jessie to Stretch, vim has a tendency to get stuck for a few seconds upon any keystroke, especially in command mode and insert mode (but not in last line mode, I think).
404 [05:40:22] <k_sze[work]> Anybody running in to the same problem?
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406 [05:42:04] <k_sze[work]> And it happens randomly, sometimes it would be smooth, sometimes it would get stuck for a few seconds, and buffer the keystrokes as I type, and then suddenly execute all the keystrokes all at once when it gets unstuck.
407 [05:42:56] <k_sze[work]> And it's only vim. It's not a problem with SSH, because I have vim in a tmux session over SSH. Switching window in tmux is still instantaneous.
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413 [06:10:01] <SerajewelKS> k_sze[work]: that sounds like possibly some I/O going on? what's the memory/swap usage on the machine? maybe parts of vim's memory are getting swapped while you type?
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425 [06:32:59] <k_sze[work]> I don't think it's swap. It happens even when I have *lots* of RAM and swap free.
426 [06:33:58] <k_sze[work]> And the files I edit aren't *that* big. Just Python source files in the kilobytes range.
427 [06:34:36] <k_sze[work]> I suspect it has something to do with flow control, though I'm still not sure at which level.
428 [06:35:08] <k_sze[work]> I suspect it's in one of bash, ssh, or vim.
429 [06:35:24] <k_sze[work]> Well, probably not bash or ssh
430 [06:35:42] <k_sze[work]> because tmux windows switching is still instantaneous while vim is stuck
431 [06:35:50] <k_sze[work]> so it's probably in vim.
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443 [06:58:50] <SerajewelKS> k_sze[work]: does this happen without tmux?
444 [06:59:08] <SerajewelKS> or without ssh, e.g. directly on the machine (assuming you have physical access)
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446 [07:01:38] <luckywho_> Hi, i'm building alsa-lib 1.1.6
447 [07:02:11] <luckywho_> As current version 1.1.3 failing to work in my system.
448 [07:02:31] <luckywho_> i tried 1.1.6 source code and install in my system it worked
449 [07:02:43] <luckywho_> so i'm trying to create debian package
450 [07:02:47] <luckywho_> from source
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453 [07:02:59] <hexhaxtron> Anyone knows if Webmin can be used by many different users?
454 [07:03:39] <luckywho_> i have *.dsc, *.orig.tar.bz2, *.debian.tar.xz
455 [07:03:59] <luckywho_> i have followed a process to build my debian package it was successful
456 [07:04:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1050
457 [07:04:29] <luckywho_> now when installing one package getting conflict with existing package
458 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> dpkg -i libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb
459 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> (Reading database ... 88865 files and directories currently installed.)
460 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> Preparing to unpack libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb ...
461 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> Unpacking libasound2-udeb (1.1.6-1) ...
462 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> dpkg: error processing archive libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb (--install):
463 [07:05:06] * dpkg removes a speen from luckywho_ and replaces it with libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb
464 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf', which is also in package libasound2-data 1.1.6-1
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466 [07:05:40] <simbalion> I've got an mp4 file with AAC audio that isn't playing audio in VLC and doesn't play at all in MPV, can anyone tell me what I need to install to fix that?
467 [07:06:03] <towo^work> luckman212, don't install any udeb package
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472 [07:10:44] <simbalion> openshot can play the files, but not mpv, and vlc has no audio. very weird
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483 [07:25:43] <simbalion> hrm seems like firefox can play them too but not mpv wtf
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485 [07:27:40] <rshakin> hey any open vpn gurus here ?
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498 [07:51:28] <darxmurf> nop
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509 [08:12:05] <rshakin> bummmer
510 [08:12:28] <k_sze[work]> SerajewelKS: I'd need to try, hold on.
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514 [08:15:50] <k_sze[work]> Actually, that's another problem.
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516 [08:16:14] <k_sze[work]> I have physical access to the server, but the keyboard and monitor would stop responding after a while.
517 [08:16:35] <k_sze[work]> The screen would show a black screen with a single stationary cursor at the top left
518 [08:16:50] <k_sze[work]> capslock and numlock keys on the keyboard don't light up.
519 [08:17:01] <rshakin> bad mobo
520 [08:17:09] <rshakin> had that before
521 [08:17:16] <k_sze[work]> But if I tell the server to reboot (via SSH), I get output on that screen again.
522 [08:17:56] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: I wonder if it's a BIOS option or a power saving option in Debian.
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524 [08:18:35] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: does the monitor go dark at all
525 [08:18:43] <k_sze[work]> you mean go to standby?
526 [08:19:38] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: yes
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528 [08:20:20] <k_sze[work]> No, it doesn't go to standby. The screen just turns to an empty terminal screen (all black, non-blinking underscore text cursor at the top left).
529 [08:21:18] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: hmm, sounds like vlock almost... or something of that sort
530 [08:21:25] <k_sze[work]> But I get text output on that screen once I initiate a reboot via SSH.
531 [08:22:14] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: make sure its not going into sleep or something stupid like that
532 [08:22:41] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: how do I tell?
533 [08:23:07] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: well if you can ssh to it it should be not that
534 [08:23:21] <k_sze[work]> Yeah, I can ssh to it, all the time.
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536 [08:23:37] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: what are you using to connect vga or ?
537 [08:23:46] <k_sze[work]> vga
538 [08:24:03] <k_sze[work]> The one built into the mobo.
539 [08:24:59] <k_sze[work]> It's a Supermicro X10DRG-Q mobo with Xeon E5-2630 CPUs.
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541 [08:26:18] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: is it a real console or xrandr
542 [08:26:52] <k_sze[work]> I don't know xrandr.
543 [08:26:55] <k_sze[work]> Probably a real console?
544 [08:29:11] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: check your grub config see if it's setting something weird
545 [08:29:33] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: /etc/default/grub?
546 [08:30:58] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: yeah
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549 [08:32:34] <usney> how can I decompress an img file in debian?
550 [08:33:23] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: replaced-url
551 [08:34:34] <k_sze[work]> I don't know why there's rcutree.rcu_idle_gp_delay=1, but the pci=noaer is because of some quirk between the kernel and the ASPEED GPU built into the mobo.
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555 [08:36:10] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: well it looks ok
556 [08:36:38] <k_sze[work]> The mobo also has three GeForce GTX Titan X cards installed, though they are meant only for compute.
557 [08:37:13] <k_sze[work]> In any case, even if the OS decided to output to one of the Titan X's, I don't see why the keyboard should not respond.
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559 [08:37:31] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: yeah very strange
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563 [08:40:21] <k_sze[work]> Actually, I'm guessing the problem has more to do with the keyboard (or rather, USB subsystem) than the video output.
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567 [08:43:27] <k_sze[work]> Yeah, I see a lot of connection/disconnection events for the mouse and keyboard in dmesg, even though I know nobody has physically unplugged or replugged them in a long time.
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569 [08:43:50] <at0m> k_sze[work]: maybe some powersave events on usb?
570 [08:44:06] <at0m> k_sze[work]: powertop is convenient to set that up
571 [08:45:47] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: i had that when the mobo was dying on me but it was and old server
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573 [08:46:29] <rshakin> now, if anyone can figure out why my openvpn is showing my geolocation to be wrong that be bitching
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575 [08:46:44] <Bravehand> What a good system diagnostics tool for GNU/Linux? more specifically one that will work in debian based environments?
576 [08:47:06] <SwedeMike> Bravehand: what kind of system diagnostics are you after?
577 [08:47:18] <rshakin> server is in canada... ip geolocates to canada... google thinks i am in brazil when i am connected to open vpn
578 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> SwedeMike: not really sure. I have been tasked with an assignment and the question is really general. 7. "Research some diagnostic programs that can be used to perform system diagnostics
579 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> Which programs would you recommend and why?
580 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> Run the system diagnostic program according to specification (provide screen dumps as proof)
581 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> Modify the system configuration as indicated by the diagnostic program. Explain what you did"
582 [08:49:00] <Bravehand> So I don't know where to start
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584 [08:49:15] <at0m> BrainWork: system? OS, hardware, services, ..?
585 [08:49:15] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: maybe Google happens to have an outdated geoip database?
586 [08:49:32] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: check what maxmind thinks on their website.
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588 [08:50:06] <at0m> BrainWork: is that ##homework ?
589 [08:50:41] <at0m> !debian based
590 [08:50:41] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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592 [08:51:44] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: nope still shows montreal
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594 [08:52:00] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: weird stuff for sure
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603 [08:56:25] <k_sze[work]> hmm
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605 [08:56:35] <k_sze[work]> resetting USB using this script isn't good enough: replaced-url
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632 [09:28:05] <moussa> i installed inn2 on my debian box, but there is no binaries just conf files
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634 [09:28:44] <moussa> so is inn2 badly packaged?
635 [09:29:13] <Habbie> moussa, dpkg -L inn2
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637 [09:31:37] <moussa> i installed through apt
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658 [10:03:19] <at0m> k_sze[work]: how's your usb powersaving set up? /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control where "on" forces the device/bus to remain powered on, "auto" will allow powersaving to be applied.
659 [10:03:50] <at0m> k_sze[work]: for a convenient interface, try powertop
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662 [10:07:05] <k_sze[work]> at0m: my keyboard is plugged to 3-10
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664 [10:07:24] <k_sze[work]> and /sys/bus/usb/devices/3-10/power/control shows "on"
665 [10:08:38] <k_sze[work]> Although /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb3/power/control shows "auto".
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671 [10:15:31] <at0m> k_sze[work]: lsusb -t shows the tree
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673 [10:15:58] <k_sze[work]> at0m: here: replaced-url
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675 [10:18:41] <mmm4m5m> Hi. My desktop is debian stretch. Sometimes the computer freeze completely - mouse not moving, numlock key lights not switching. Sometimes only XFCE crash and I see the login screen. The computer is online all night.
676 [10:18:41] <mmm4m5m> I usually get few crashes every morning. And after 10h it mostly works. Most of the time there is nothing in the log files. Sometimes I see one line with many "^@" (nul) chars in logs. Sometimes I see error "Oops: 0000" or "Oops: 0002".
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678 [10:19:07] <mmm4m5m> All problems started few months ago! It WAS very stable desktop, working 90 days without restart. I use only few applications - terminal, geany, pidgin, xonotic, rexuiz, firefox, adobe-flash. Adobe-flash often segfault but it was NOT able to crash everything.
679 [10:19:07] <mmm4m5m> I updated adobe flash. I switched to nvidia video driver. Kernel is updated regularly. How to find the problem? Maybe to try older version of firefox? Or maybe this is the risk of using adobe-flash? Thanks for the help!
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681 [10:19:57] <jelly> mmm4m5m: nvidia driver can sometimes cause kernel issues. However, the free nouveau driver can ALSO cause kernel issues that sometimes have similat symptoms.
682 [10:21:25] <jelly> mmm4m5m: also check temperature sensors and verify cooling is adequate and the machine is not overheating
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684 [10:21:58] <darxmurf> anybody using thunderbird here ?
685 [10:22:08] <mmm4m5m> It was nvidia since January. I have GeForce 9600 GT and there was problems. Then I used nouveau. Now it is nvidia again. Both have worked nice. And also with both I have these recent problems - crashes.
686 [10:22:34] <jelly> mmm4m5m: nul characters in open files are a consequence of a hard crash
687 [10:23:15] <mmm4m5m> I checked the box inside - all fans are working. Nvidia driver report 43-44C degrees. Most crashes are morning, the temperature in the morning is lower.
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690 [10:23:52] <mmm4m5m> Yes, sometimes there are nul chars inside /var/log/message and other log files.
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692 [10:28:25] <mmm4m5m> The adobe-flash and firefox segfault often. I am now searching in that direction - "Chrome_ChildThr plugin-container libgobject libflashplayer Abort channel ipc MessageChannel ipc_channel_posix npapi"... Maybe sometimes it manage to crash the whole computer... Is it possible?
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694 [10:29:59] <mmm4m5m> Also after crash sometimes bios forget all settings and I have to "load from profile".
695 [10:34:38] <mmm4m5m> I could be a good move from my side? Log over network to another computer? Install some packages for more kernel debuging and logging? Try older firefox? I am almost certain that withOUT adobe-flash it will NOT crash. Maybe I can try that way? Few days with firefox and xonotic ONLY?
696 [10:34:50] <mmm4m5m> *What could be...
697 [10:36:36] <mmm4m5m> My usage is very very simple. Maybe there is bug I can find it. I click adobe-flash game in the morning. I click xonotic game afternoon. And I browse the network. That is all.
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704 [10:39:15] <mmm4m5m> I have 6GB ram and swap BUT I try to never use the swap. I usually stop one browser before I start the gaming browser (with adobe-flash).
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743 [11:08:37] <marz_d`ghostman> mirror.rise.ph, replaced-url
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747 [11:11:15] <marz_d`ghostman> hmm
748 [11:11:47] <marz_d`ghostman> Also can we register our mirror server hosting debian-cd? replaced-url
749 [11:12:47] <babilen> marz_d`ghostman: Try #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org)
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752 [11:14:16] <marz_d`ghostman> okay thanks babilen
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864 [13:23:12] <perdent> I need to connect a fibre lead to a Cisco SAN switch - the device is deck EMC ESX gist (no the of model) The port is an HBA: This is the reverse of the server: replaced-url
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869 [13:30:22] <petn-randall> perdent: Wrong channel? Or at least I can't see how that's relevant to Debian.
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881 [13:41:09] <jelly> perdent: yeah that seems offtopic as hell, however the top left (1) and top right (7) look like FC SAN with SFP+ modules already present
882 [13:41:17] <jelly> ,v mongodb
883 [13:41:18] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1; buster: 1:3.4.15-1; sid: 1:3.4.15-1
884 [13:41:30] <jelly> ,checkbackport mongodb
885 [13:41:31] <judd> Backporting package mongodb in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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906 [13:59:55] <inquisitiv3> I would like to share directories between my host (Stretch) and a VM using virt-manager. The instructions on KVM's website is a bit outdated it seems. replaced-url
907 [14:00:39] <inquisitiv3> I can't find any up to date instructions. Does someone there know where I can find them, or know how to do it?
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910 [14:02:24] <inquisitiv3> Some of the problems with the instructions is that there's more options that isn't described in the documentation. The wiki page was last edited in 2015. I couldn't find any contact information to the people that manage the website or a project mailing list.
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977 [15:23:18] <Psy-Q> sometimes the second time doesn't actually reboot or shutdown either, and then the GUI becomes unresponsive but the cursor is still usable. i can't find a pattern in when this happens
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1059 [16:35:14] <f-a> just to confirm: I cannot downgrade to previous firefox, right?
1060 [16:37:09] <ksk> f-a: downgrading is in general not supported by debians packaging format.
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1062 [16:38:03] <greycat> You can try installing the old firefox-esr package, but what happens with your existing profile(s) we cannot guess
1063 [16:38:43] <jelly> they sort of work
1064 [16:38:53] <f-a> thanks ksk / greycat. More than profile, I am interested in sound: new one apparently requires pulseaudio, while I have alsa installed
1065 [16:38:56] <greycat> It's not about a "packaging format" so much as what firefox does to your user profile when you update.
1066 [16:39:06] <jelly> best to restore ~/.mozilla/firefox/ from backup
1067 [16:39:47] <greycat> f-a: for the record, the previous ESR series also had pulseaudio as a requirement, but Debian hacked the ALSA support back in.
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1070 [16:40:08] <f-a> well, I greatly appreciate it in retrospect
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1073 [16:40:57] <greycat> Apparently in the 52.x series, the ALSA code was still there, just disabled by default at compile time, so Debian only had to change a compile option to turn it back on. But in 60.x the code is actually removed.
1074 [16:41:22] <f-a> sad, but understandable
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1083 [16:49:59] <mason> It wouldn't be so bad if PulseAudio didn't to this day corrupt its own binary on-disk state and break spectacularly.
1084 [16:50:25] <jelly> that happens less often these days
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1086 [16:50:44] <mason> Quite a bit less often, but it's bitten me a couple times in the last couple months.
1087 [16:50:56] <jelly> !bite mason
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1092 [16:51:20] <mason> You'll have to elbow in next to PulseAudio.
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1094 [16:52:10] <mason> On the plus side, it's nice being able to split audio and record sound output without any messy analog capture.
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1096 [16:52:24] <ntd> how is the situation re debian grub and secure boot? have they gotten their grub signed or do they sign their grub and publish the pubkey somewhere?
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1099 [16:53:14] <f-a> jelly: indeed my experiences with pa have been a mixed bag. I am sure some time in the future I'll bandwagon but as now I prefer not. I am currently searching for a usable browser which did not ditch alsa: currently trying palemoon
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1101 [16:54:25] <n4dir> f-a: my choice was seamonkey, but it isn't in the repos.
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1103 [16:55:30] <n4dir> i would be open for a suggestion for a browser from the repos though.
1104 [16:55:50] <f-a> n4dir: thanks for the tip. Palemoon was not in the repos either. I'll download seamonkey.
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1107 [16:56:58] <n4dir> to me the look (feel, etc) is a bit clumpsy, but each time i run in a ff problem, seamonkey does the job fine. I guess this time i will stick with it. Done with all the ff problems.
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1109 [16:57:59] <jelly> seamonkey and other firefox forks that still support xul extensions have an insecure future
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1116 [17:03:10] <n4dir> perhaps a usable browser will appear in the meantime (doubt it though). Found that midori is still installed (no clue why i gave up on it, will probably find out soon).
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1122 [17:05:01] <n4dir> i want to make ~/bin/seamonkey/seamonkey executable from the command-prompt as "seamonkey", without full path. How would i do that? I did lots of "ln" commands, without success.
1123 [17:05:17] <greycat> add that directory to your PATH variable
1124 [17:05:45] <n4dir> oh. thank you.
1125 [17:05:51] <f-a> or an alias
1126 [17:06:16] <n4dir> i did the alias, but that gave errors (yesterday night, forgot the exact problem).
1127 [17:06:29] <greycat> or a symlink from a directory that's already in PATH
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1129 [17:07:56] <f-a> got to go now, thanks everyone for helping
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1132 [17:08:32] <n4dir> that failed too, i tried /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin. probably did it wrong, ln is weird to me (i never do it)
1133 [17:08:47] <greycat> you SHOULD be trying $HOME/bin assuming that's already in your PATH
1134 [17:08:55] <greycat> you should most definitely not be fucking with /usr/bin
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1138 [17:09:32] <f-a> n4dir: path will do fine and it's simply a line in .bashrc
1139 [17:09:48] <f-a> indeed aliases do *not* work when invoked by, say, external applications
1140 [17:09:55] <greycat> oh, you already screwed yourself on that one; you can't create a symlink named ~/bin/seamonkey because that is already a DIRECTORY for some unfathomable reason
1141 [17:10:03] <n4dir> greycat: ~/bin is in PATH, as .profile sets it in debian. subdirectories which contain the executable don't work though, only ~/bin/exec
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1143 [17:10:13] <greycat> well duh
1144 [17:10:20] <greycat> you don't make subdirectories in ~/bin/
1145 [17:10:25] <greycat> that is just insane
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1151 [17:10:58] <greycat> at first I figured you had ~/seamonkey/bin/seamonkey but no....
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1153 [17:11:37] <n4dir> so i untar an executable file which contains a folder which contains an executable. Where and how would i do that?
1154 [17:11:58] <greycat> You start by doing "tar t..." on the tar file to see what it will create when you extract it.
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1156 [17:12:06] <greycat> Then once you know what it will create, THEN you can decide where to do it.
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1159 [17:12:58] <n4dir> and what would be a good choice for "where" ?
1160 [17:13:08] <greycat> Most likely, if it's a Big-Ass Thing, it will create a self-named directory (like "firefox" or "seamonkey") as the top level dir, and you are expected to extract it in /opt or similar.
1161 [17:13:37] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea what you downloaded or what it expands to.
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1167 [17:22:47] <n4dir> - /usr/local/bin/seamonkey/seamonkey is ok ? probably not.
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1170 [17:23:07] <jelly> don't put folders under bin/
1171 [17:23:41] <jelly> /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey is passable, and symlink it under /usr/local/bin if you want it to be in PATH
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1173 [17:24:40] <jelly> I thought palemoon was the best supported fork?
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1175 [17:25:51] <n4dir> ln -s /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey /usr/local/bin/ ?
1176 [17:28:06] <jelly> yeah. Or a relative symlink. (cd /usr/local/bin && ln -s ../seamonkey/seamonkey)
1177 [17:29:17] <n4dir> user$ seamonkey
1178 [17:29:17] <n4dir> Could not find the Mozilla runtime.
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1180 [17:29:30] <n4dir> after doing the symlink
1181 [17:29:48] <jelly> sigh
1182 [17:30:12] <jelly> then make a wrapper script I guess
1183 [17:31:17] <jelly> (one that basically does #!/bin/sh \n cd /usr/local/seamonkey \n exec ./seamonkey "$@" \n )
1184 [17:31:57] <n4dir> so full path. oh my.
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1188 [17:36:42] <n4dir> jelly: that is how i understood you, and it sure starts seamonkey from cli and from command prompt:
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1190 [17:37:10] <n4dir> mv the seamonkey directory to /usr/local/seamonkey then put a script named seamonkey in ~/bin
1191 [17:37:36] <n4dir> the script including the full path to start it and "$@"
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1193 [17:37:47] <n4dir> that is acceptable ?
1194 [17:38:13] <jelly> if it works, sure
1195 [17:38:43] <n4dir> yup, tested, works. Thanks. (all that sounds dumb, but i pretty much never do anything but use apps from repos).
1196 [17:39:01] <jelly> (I'd still prefix the command with exec to get rid of a shell process.
1197 [17:39:06] <n4dir> and 2 or 3 very little self written scripts in ~/bin
1198 [17:39:13] <n4dir> thanks
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1204 [17:41:26] <sZbcE8qNfG> just curious, what resolutions do some of you use?
1205 [17:42:03] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'm on 1366x768 with a cheap TN panel....i wonder if it will damage my eyesight
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1207 [17:43:29] <greycat> As long as you use the native resolution of your (non-CRT) monitor, it should be as good as it's gonna get.
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1232 [18:05:46] <petn-randall> Err, I just noticed that one of my extra mouse buttons causes rhythmbox to stop playing music. I don't recall ever setting that up. How do I debug what is doing that? I'd like to disable it.
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1234 [18:06:19] <greycat> Only when you're focused on the rhythmbox window, or always?
1235 [18:08:04] <greycat> If it's always, then it's probably a configuration in your Window Manager.
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1240 [18:10:55] <petn-randall> Yes, always
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1243 [18:12:26] <petn-randall> I'm running xfce on stable, I check the "mouse and touchpad" settings, and also the keyboard shortcuts. It's not set there. Anywhere else to look?
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1252 [18:25:08] <greycat> well, I know nothing about xfce, but if all you want to do is *stop* it from working, you might be able to rebind that mouse button to "nothing" with xmodmap
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1254 [18:25:14] <jelly> petn-randall: what does xev say, which event pressing that button sends?
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1257 [18:26:45] <petn-randall> jelly: replaced-url
1258 [18:26:55] <petn-randall> I think the laste entry is from ctrl + c.
1259 [18:27:46] <jelly> petn-randall: you also need to focus the cursor into xev's window and then press it
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1261 [18:28:01] <jelly> none of that looks like pressing a mouse button to me
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1263 [18:29:13] <jelly> you'll get LOTS of junk when moving the cursor over xev window, that's how you know you're close to doing the right thing :-)
1264 [18:30:17] <petn-randall> Yes, it was spamming a lot of output. Let me try again then.
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1266 [18:32:02] <greycat> Try "xev -event button -event keyboard"
1267 [18:32:29] <petn-randall> jelly: Here's the output from only pressing and releasing the special mouse button: replaced-url
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1270 [18:33:44] <greycat> I'm still not seeing any ButtonPress or ButtonRelease or KeyPress or KeyRelease
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1276 [18:40:49] <jelly> yeah I have no idea what's happening there, either
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1303 [18:59:33] <yokowka> hys
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1305 [18:59:42] <yokowka> sorry))))
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1326 [19:09:21] <Deknos> hey, are there no apt-config options for autoremove and (auto)clean?
1327 [19:09:30] <Deknos> couldnt find them in the manpage
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1330 [19:11:40] <mmm4m5m> jelly: hi. I think you have read my question early today. Maybe the answer is - firefox hardware acceleration off. I need few days to confirm it.
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1342 [19:28:12] <zerocool> hi there
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1344 [19:28:59] <zerocool> will apparmor be forced on me in the near future?
1345 [19:29:03] <zerocool> with debian
1346 [19:29:31] <mason> zerocool: Only if you're lucky.
1347 [19:30:23] <zerocool> hmm, i kinda remember seeing a message during a kernel upgrade (on a testing machine) that said apparmor was on by default
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1350 [19:31:13] <mason> zerocool: Recent install here - default install has it disabled.
1351 [19:31:18] <mason> [ 0.016306] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter
1352 [19:31:30] <zerocool> is that buster or stretch?
1353 [19:31:52] <greycat> definitely *not* stretch
1354 [19:32:18] <greycat> Oh... huh, I take it back.
1355 [19:32:21] <greycat> [ 0.022473] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter
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1357 [19:32:35] <greycat> Linux wooledg 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1359 [19:34:03] <zerocool> are those logs coming from dmesg?
1360 [19:34:12] <petn-randall> Some backports can pull in apparmor on stable, but it's not enabled by default. On buster and upwards it's currently enabled by default. If buster will release with apparmor enabled by default is not decided yet.
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1362 [19:34:41] <zerocool> petn-randall: thanks
1363 [19:35:09] <petn-randall> zerocool: I'd hardly call it "forced on me" if the defaults just changed. You can still do whatever you want with your system.
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1365 [19:35:43] <greycat> As long as there's still a "boot time parameter" to disable it, it should be OK
1366 [19:36:00] <zerocool> petn-randall: im not getting sour about it at all, defaults changing it a change forced though. i think it just sounds bad.
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1368 [19:37:03] <petn-randall> zerocool: Again, how is it "forced"? Every changed is documented in the release notes, and you're free to disable it, or use selinux, or tomoyo linux, etc.
1369 [19:37:41] <petn-randall> zerocool: By that argument Debian is also forcing you to use gnome, or Linux kernel 4.9.
1370 [19:37:59] <petn-randall> Or only free firmware.
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1372 [19:39:55] <annadane> or a computer.
1373 [19:39:56] <zerocool> petn-randall: man this point is not really important, but even the policy change can be seen as "forced on me" now I need to always take into account that it's on. I didn't choose nor can I choose to have it off by default. the policy change is forced on me
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1375 [19:40:06] <zerocool> but like I said, it's not important to me
1376 [19:40:36] <greycat> you have a twisted definition of "forced"
1377 [19:40:48] <petn-randall> zerocool: It's not "forced". Just turn it off in the settings. Like any other setting on your computer.
1378 [19:40:49] <zerocool> Look up force in the dictionary
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1380 [19:41:03] <petn-randall> "force" would imply you have no choice.
1381 [19:41:09] <zerocool> I don't have a choice
1382 [19:41:27] <greycat> v 1: to cause to do through pressure or necessity, by physical, moral or intellectual means 2: urge or force (a person) to an action; constrain or motivate
1383 [19:41:33] <zerocool> Now I need to disable it doesn't mean I have a choice if it's enabled by default
1384 [19:41:34] <petn-randall> zerocool: As we all said repeatedly, you do.
1385 [19:42:20] <petn-randall> zerocool: By your logic you're also forced to use Debian, I assume?
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1387 [19:43:12] <greycat> A change in the defaults can be irritating, because then you have to make a decision: whether to live with the new behaviors, which may impose a cost upon you, or whether to take action to change all your systems present and future, which will certainly impose a different cost upon you.
1388 [19:43:20] <annadane> what are we actually talking about?
1389 [19:43:23] <zerocool> petn-randall: you're not right and I am not talking to you about this anymore because i have repeatedly said that it's not important to me, it was used as a figure of speach.
1390 [19:43:25] <greycat> This is not equivalent to your being "forced" into anything, though.
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1392 [19:44:08] <greycat> annadane: speculation that AppArmor may be enabled by default in buster (current status: not decided by Debian yet)
1393 [19:44:17] <zerocool> greycat: in the future i will be forced to disable it
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1395 [19:44:22] <zerocool> now i am not
1396 [19:44:33] <zerocool> why
1397 [19:44:41] <petn-randall> *plonk*
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1404 [19:48:58] <annadane> i mean if you're using buster to begin with you have to be used to changes
1405 [19:49:03] <zerocool> And this is the last time I will say this, I don't have a problem with the decision at all, in fact I use to try to get SELinux installed on Debian a few years ago, apparmor basically does what selinux does... so I'm happy.
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1408 [19:50:50] <zerocool> annadane: they're frustrated because i used the word force, as if im saying everyone that uses debian is a nazi
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1412 [19:51:30] <greycat> petn-randall: Godwin's Law was just triggered, FYI
1413 [19:52:06] <annadane> this is one benefit of tracking stable, you can read release notes that spell everything out
1414 [19:52:13] <annadane> use what you want though i guess
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1416 [19:53:43] <zerocool> i needed glusterfs support in libvirt, i tried really hard to get that in stretch, simplest path for testing was to go buster, did that, saw apparmor note, continued on like i'm just here to test gluster...
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1419 [19:55:02] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1420 [19:55:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1421 [19:56:00] <zerocool> petn-randall: where's backports
1422 [19:56:10] <zerocool> 99% of the servers that I run are stretch
1423 [19:56:14] <zerocool> with backports
1424 [19:57:01] <annadane> backports are on an as-volunteer basis
1425 [19:57:06] <annadane> you can backport your own packages though
1426 [19:57:13] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
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1428 [19:57:34] <zerocool> i meant the backports channel
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1431 [19:58:05] <zerocool> i did try to backport libvirt for the glusterfs parts but basically it was a mess and it was easier to just install buster
1432 [19:58:49] <annadane> backports.debian.org has instructions
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1434 [19:59:28] <zerocool> later
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1436 [20:02:14] <ctcx> Think the file /etc/rc.local will still have support on systemd through rc-local unit, or will it die eventually and I should find ways to replace its usage?
1437 [20:02:38] <greycat> It is still supported on stretch if you created it.
1438 [20:02:41] <ctcx> Or, more simply, is it still valid or orthodox to use rc.local on systemd?
1439 [20:02:58] <greycat> I've never heard anyone say that there's any plan to *stop* supporting it.
1440 [20:03:08] <ctcx> Thanks.
1441 [20:04:21] <ctcx> And, if I need to add a directory to PATH permanently, is it still ok to add the "export" command to /etc/profile?
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1443 [20:05:03] <greycat> That only affects certain kinds of login environments.
1444 [20:05:34] <ctcx> Login environments? The shell? Bash?
1445 [20:06:00] <greycat> Are you trying to inflict this PATH change on all users, or just for yourself? Do you only want to inflict it on ssh users? Ssh + console users? Ssh + console + Display Manager login users?
1446 [20:06:39] <ctcx> All users.
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1451 [20:07:51] <greycat> ... and the other questions? How are your users logging in?
1452 [20:09:05] <ctcx> "ssh users"? I thought if I remotely logged in a server with "ssh user@remoteHost", where 'user' is a local user in remote server, it was just as if I was locally in the server. I.e., taking all of user's settings and paths...
1453 [20:09:24] <greycat> How are YOUR users logging in to YOUR system right now?
1454 [20:09:33] <greycat> The ones whose PATHs you want to change.
1455 [20:10:12] <ctcx> This is a test server. I use "ssh user@remoteHost".
1456 [20:10:34] <ctcx> Just that.
1457 [20:10:35] <greycat> But you said "all users", implying that there are others besides YOU.
1458 [20:10:43] <greycat> Are they all logging in with ssh?
1459 [20:10:55] <ctcx> I created several users in the server.
1460 [20:11:01] <ctcx> Several local users, that is.
1461 [20:11:22] <ctcx> Sir, is it that I just said something wrong or illegal?
1462 [20:11:25] <greycat> ... it's not just me, right? The rest of you can see how GOD DAMNED FRUSTRATING this converstation is, yes?
1463 [20:11:37] <greycat> DO THEY LOGIN WITH SSH
1464 [20:11:48] <ctcx> Yes
1465 [20:12:08] <greycat> OK. Next question: do they all use bash/ksh/zsh/sh as their login shells, or do you have a few that use csh/tcsh?
1466 [20:12:30] <ctcx> just bash, some few sh maybe
1467 [20:12:39] <greycat> OK, then /etc/profile will work.
1468 [20:12:46] <ctcx> Thanks.
1469 [20:13:17] <ctcx> Work, and still orthodox on systemd, I guess...
1470 [20:13:24] <greycat> systemd has nothing to do with it
1471 [20:13:30] <ctcx> understood.
1472 [20:13:46] <ctcx> I'll better get going. Thanks.
1473 [20:14:00] <greycat> Login environment is set up by the programs that you run when you login however you login. In the case of ssh logins, you get a login shell. In the case of that shell being bash/sh/ksh/zsh, it reads /etc/profile.
1474 [20:14:04] <ctcx> I just realize I over complicated myself.
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1477 [20:15:12] <greycat> If the second answer had been "some use tcsh" then you would have had a choice: either edit both /etc/profile AND the tcsh equivalent, whatever that is; OR, REMOVE the PATH setting from /etc/profile and the tcsh equivalent and move it to /etc/environment
1478 [20:15:50] <ctcx> So /etc/environment is global to all, or most of the login shells...
1479 [20:15:57] <greycat> And NEITHER of these answers covers Display Manager logins.
1480 [20:16:15] <ctcx> Sorry, I have never used display manager logins...
1481 [20:16:24] <greycat> When I ask things like "how are they logging in", it's because it MATTERS.
1482 [20:16:27] <ctcx> In fact I'm currently googling the term.
1483 [20:16:34] <greycat> A graphical login. lightdm, gdm3, etc.
1484 [20:16:39] <greycat> Those do not read /etc/profile.
1485 [20:16:43] <ctcx> Yes, apologies.
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1487 [20:17:33] <ctcx> Today I kind of got desperate and in strange mood with myself due to stuff here in part time job.
1488 [20:17:42] <ctcx> But I'm not justifying myself.
1489 [20:18:14] <ctcx> ... lightdm? Like that one used by GNOME for, say, TeamViewer?
1490 [20:18:40] <greycat> lightdm is used by XFCE and so on
1491 [20:18:41] <annadane> gnome is gdm, lightdm is for things like xfce
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1494 [20:18:57] <ctcx> OUCH!
1495 [20:19:03] <ctcx> damn wrong again!
1496 [20:19:15] <ctcx> Yes, lightdm is for XFCE...
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1499 [20:20:11] <ctcx> So systemd guys have not said anything regarding killing rc.local yet...
1500 [20:20:23] <ctcx> (I couldn't find any info regarding that on google)
1501 [20:20:42] <ctcx> But I do know rc.local is legacy since *long* ago
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1503 [20:21:29] <greycat> It's considered a band-aid for quick and dirty work.
1504 [20:21:53] <ctcx> ...
1505 [20:21:54] <greycat> Setting up a systemd service is fairly easy, so you're encouraged to migrate your rc.local jobs to systemd services as you get the time.
1506 [20:21:57] <ctcx> ouch
1507 [20:22:05] <ctcx> Aaaahhh
1508 [20:22:35] <ctcx> So the orthodox way to put rc.local jobs on systemd is simply to use the systemd units.
1509 [20:22:41] <ctcx> No more, no less
1510 [20:23:06] <ctcx> Wait...
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1512 [20:23:34] <ctcx> Is rc-local.service usage also considered quick and dirty job?
1513 [20:24:03] <greycat> I don't understand what you're asking.
1514 [20:24:24] <Habbie> rc-local.service is what runs rc.local for you
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1516 [20:24:43] <ctcx> Nevermind.
1517 [20:25:11] <ctcx> That service just directly runs rc.local, which is considered dirty anyways.
1518 [20:25:27] <ctcx> So better create due systemd units.
1519 [20:26:36] <annadane> i guess the handbook is a little outdated regarding systemd units and how to use them
1520 [20:26:43] <annadane> the reference manual probably covers it
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1522 [20:26:54] <annadane> i'd have to look at the handbook again
1523 [20:26:54] <greycat> I know the wiki does, because I wrote that page. ;)
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1525 [20:27:12] <annadane> what's the page titled?
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1527 [20:27:35] <greycat> replaced-url
1528 [20:27:41] <annadane> yeah, logical enough
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1531 [20:30:05] <ctcx> Uff, /etc/environment seems to be not just more "global" , but also more "specialized" or dangerous... it's not even POSIX...
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1533 [20:31:08] <greycat> /etc/environment is a PAM thing. Any login method that uses a PAM config file is typically configured to read /etc/environment through pam_env.so
1534 [20:32:12] <greycat> e.g. in /etc/pam.d/sshd you can see "# Read environment variables from /etc/environment and # /etc/security/pam_env.conf. session required pam_env.so # [1]"
1535 [20:32:57] <greycat> which is why an ssh login read /etc/environment, but this is USELESS 99% of the time, because you can't put variable references in there (so nothing like MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/), and the shell that gets chain-loaded by sshd will override a lot of it as well
1536 [20:33:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> quick question, debian stretch (stable) was release 06/2017. Is it safe to say the next stable is going to be release around 06/2019?
1537 [20:33:17] <greycat> We don't have an estimated release date yet.
1538 [20:33:25] <sZbcE8qNfG> but is it usually 2 years?
1539 [20:33:37] <greycat> 2-3 years is common
1540 [20:33:43] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
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1542 [20:34:43] <yokowka> hevenO everysoul!!
1543 [20:35:04] <annadane> basically the more people there are to help during freeze the sooner buster will get here
1544 [20:35:29] <annadane> i guess freeze aims to be around 6 months and it's due to happen in about january 2019 iirc
1545 [20:35:46] <annadane> "when it's ready"
1546 [20:35:49] <yokowka> hyskaru, how to make one-to-one chat?
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1552 [20:39:27] <ctcx> Anyone has heard or used acucobol thin client by MicroFocus?
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1561 [20:46:52] <ctcx> From replaced-url
1562 [20:47:01] <ctcx> But what if service is designed to run on background?
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1564 [20:47:37] <greycat> You might be confusing "background" with "long-running".
1565 [20:47:56] <Habbie> ctcx, what is the service?
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1568 [20:49:12] <greycat> Using ssh.service as the example, the systemd unit file uses "ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D $SSHD_OPTS" -- the -D option tells sshd NOT to put itself in the background, but instead to run normally, in the foreground.
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1570 [20:49:48] <ctcx> This is the service replaced-url
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1573 [20:50:46] <greycat> If you open a terminal, and run this process manually, does it automatically background itself and give you back a shell prompt, or does it "hang" as it runs in the foreground, tying up the terminal and not giving you back a prompt? You want the latter, if possible.
1574 [20:51:15] <ctcx> Let me see...
1575 [20:51:15] <greycat> Ah, the -f option describes it perfectly.
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1578 [20:51:23] <ctcx> Let me see anyways...
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1580 [20:51:28] <greycat> «By default, acurcl runs in background. Use the "-f" option to run acurcl in foreground.»
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1582 [20:52:03] <greycat> So when setting up a service file, use the -f option, so you can use the "simple" type instead of the "forking" type.
1583 [20:52:31] <ctcx> Indeed, though it's written in that doc, I wanted to confirm. It backgrounds itself and gives prompt back.
1584 [20:54:04] <ctcx> I'm currently trying to "study" this acurcl thing.
1585 [20:54:23] <ctcx> But the interested guy tells me "I need it in background, without -f option".
1586 [20:54:37] <ctcx> Not with those words -he's not that technical-
1587 [20:54:48] <greycat> Sounds like someone you should ignore if possible.
1588 [20:54:57] <ctcx> ^ !!??
1589 [20:55:07] <ctcx> Too bad it is?
1590 [20:55:09] <greycat> If you can't, well, you have our pity.
1591 [20:55:19] <ctcx> Too bad it is?
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1593 [20:56:03] <annadane> yokowka, sorry, can you elaborate a bit? do you want to contact someone in IRC?
1594 [20:56:22] <annadane> you can /msg user blah
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1596 [20:56:41] <generic> how do I download a packet+deps without running apt-update ?
1597 [20:56:51] <ctcx> greycat: don't get me wrong. I'm total noob in this thing, and don't know if what this guy is asking is orthodox or dirty...
1598 [20:57:08] <ctcx> But if I'm asking stupid things again, sorry.
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1600 [20:57:32] <greycat> Most likely he doesn't know what he's talking about.
1601 [20:57:40] <yokowka> annadane, glad this your writing))
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1604 [20:58:22] <ctcx> But more importantly, I don't know how Microfocus stuff works. I'm currently searching their forums whether there's a reason for run in background...
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1608 [20:59:07] <greycat> It was common behavior for daemons 20-30 years ago to self-background by default.
1609 [20:59:08] <ctcx> Ouch, yet another one... replaced-url
1610 [20:59:32] <greycat> Even sshd does it, sadly.
1611 [20:59:49] <ctcx> "It was common; it is sad" ...
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1613 [21:00:01] <ctcx> Does it mean backgrounding should be deprecated or something?
1614 [21:00:02] <generic> firefox 60 su*ks
1615 [21:00:19] <greycat> Yes, self-backgrounding hurts more than it helps, now, with modern service managers.
1616 [21:00:45] <greycat> It might have made sense back in the ancient days of BSD systems that had absolutely no service manager at all, not even inittab.
1617 [21:00:49] <annadane> generic, you can use firefox via downloading it from mozilla's website, you don't have to use firefox-esr
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1621 [21:01:32] <ctcx> The acushare page dates from 2008? WTH!?
1622 [21:01:43] <ctcx> So no wonder it mentions rc.local?
1623 [21:01:47] <generic> annadane, whats the use of debian then ?
1624 [21:02:06] <greycat> Debian stable has firefox-esr 60 now.
1625 [21:02:15] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
1626 [21:02:17] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1
1627 [21:02:21] <annadane> *plonk*
1628 [21:02:27] <generic> greycat, i know
1629 [21:02:32] <greycat> Huh, judd seems to be a bit out of date here.
1630 [21:02:38] <annadane> debian stable doesn't prevent you from running your own packages or downloaded files or whatever...
1631 [21:02:54] <annadane> just don't install directly from testing/unstable with limited exceptions
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1633 [21:03:56] <generic> annadane, my machine isnt updated yet how can I prevent that ?
1634 [21:04:03] <annadane> prevent what?
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1637 [21:04:10] <greycat> !tell generic about hold
1638 [21:04:24] <bites> which is a great idea with browsers.
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1640 [21:05:13] <generic> greycat, i wanna prevent apt-update running before any apt install
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1642 [21:05:31] <greycat> No you don't.
1643 [21:05:46] <generic> greycat, suppose the *.deb files are out fore a little more
1644 [21:05:56] <greycat> If your local copy of the package lists is out of date, and you try to apt install something, it'll simply fail with a 404.
1645 [21:06:15] <greycat> If you want to put firefox-esr on hold so it doesn't update, then just put it on hold.
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1648 [21:06:36] <annadane> though that probably opens you up to security vulnerabilities
1649 [21:06:55] <greycat> It will, at some point, almost certainly.
1650 [21:06:57] <generic> annadane, x86 security my ass
1651 [21:07:09] <annadane> like i said you can use other browsers including firefox... whatever the newest stable is
1652 [21:07:12] <annadane> 62?
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1656 [21:07:39] <greycat> generic: what specifically do you dislike about firefox-esr 60.x?
1657 [21:07:41] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
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1660 [21:08:12] <nr9032nsc6> Is there a way to do a more low-level format HDD than dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ?
1661 [21:08:26] <nr9032nsc6> or is that the lowest level hardware access possible?
1662 [21:08:26] <generic> greycat, im not your user survey
1663 [21:08:35] <greycat> generic: then why are you here?
1664 [21:09:03] <zumba_addict> hi folks, I noticed my debian's network performance is a little slower than my ubuntu. Previously the machine was running ubunut. It's now running debian. Any cool perf tuning for debian I can try?
1665 [21:09:21] <generic> greycat, i wanted to know how to install a deb withot running apt-update
1666 [21:09:36] <annadane> dpkg -i foo.deb
1667 [21:09:36] * dpkg installs foo.deb into annadane's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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1669 [21:09:39] <annadane> shut up
1670 [21:09:46] <greycat> download the .deb file manually, and use "apt install ./my.deb" or "apt install /absolute/path/to/my.deb"
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1673 [21:10:30] <greycat> You MUST use a path that begins with ./ or / because of historical reasons.
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1675 [21:11:23] <generic> and do this bullshit with all the deps ? you must be kidding
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1678 [21:11:43] <greycat> generic: apt handles the dependencies for you, which is THE ENITRE RUCKING POING
1679 [21:11:47] <greycat> F.... fuck
1680 [21:12:22] <greycat> Now stop being an OBTUSE TROLL and actually read the answers you are given.
1681 [21:12:51] <annadane> oh, sorry. maybe not dpkg -i then
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1683 [21:15:10] <bites> dpkg -i then apt-get -f install is valid too. don't worry about it.
1684 [21:15:10] <dpkg> package then apt-get -f install is valid too. don't worry about it. is already installed
1685 [21:15:19] <bites> forgot about that...
1686 [21:15:23] <greycat> that's the older way
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1688 [21:17:39] <generic> bites, apt-get fix broken ?
1689 [21:18:00] <generic> bites, doesnt prevent apt update i suppose
1690 [21:18:14] <greycat> If you choose to go with dpkg -i, then you run "apt-get -f install" afterward (no other arguments) to try to "fix up" the broken dependencies that dpkg -i created.
1691 [21:18:18] <bites> not running apt update prevents apt update.
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1693 [21:18:34] <greycat> YOU DO NOT FUCKING "PREVENT" APT UPDATE YOU IDIOT
1694 [21:18:35] <greycat> *plonk*
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1696 [21:18:45] <greycat> I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT, AND I TOLD YOU WHY.
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1698 [21:20:40] <annadane> apt update just refreshes the package mirrors, it doesn't upgrade packages
1699 [21:20:43] <annadane> FYI
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1703 [21:21:37] <generic> thank you for your answers think google knows better
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1705 [21:21:47] <tytan> hello everyone, I try to setup a minimal debian 9 setup with i3wm. Now I'm at the point where I want sound. I experimented with PulseAudio but I can't get a full round package. What do you recommend/use?
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1709 [21:23:16] <bites> just pulseaudio and pavucontrol for the settings.
1710 [21:23:18] <annadane> i guess pavucontrol installs all the necessary dependencies
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1712 [21:23:37] <tytan> pavucontrol is not a cli application :/
1713 [21:23:37] <annadane> Recommends: pulseaudio
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1718 [21:24:43] <tytan> annadane: Ok, but how can I tune it from the terminal or do you only use keybindings in i3config?
1719 [21:25:07] <annadane> i don't really use audio control from the cli, i'll let other folks answer
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1722 [21:25:25] <bites> why does it need to be in terminal? do you hate life?
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1724 [21:26:49] <sZbcE8qNfG> just install MATE and be done with it
1725 [21:27:25] <greycat> If you have graphical audio controls, why are you even considering pulse at all?
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1727 [21:27:31] <tytan> I don't think a GUI application offers much more for simple audio control
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1729 [21:27:41] <nkuttler> tytan: i use alsamixer
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1731 [21:27:43] <greycat> ... fuck, let's try that again
1732 [21:27:46] <greycat> If you haTe graphical audio controls, why are you even considering pulse at all?
1733 [21:27:47] <tytan> I don't have graphical audio controls
1734 [21:28:18] <tytan> nkuttler: but does it work with pulseaudio?
1735 [21:28:20] <nkuttler> don't ask me though if i had to configure some compatibility layer..
1736 [21:28:26] <nkuttler> tytan: just try it?
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1738 [21:29:00] <nkuttler> aumix also works, presumably because i have osspd-alsa installed
1739 [21:29:12] <tytan> on first sight it looks like what I'm looking for :)
1740 [21:29:18] <greycat> If you simply want working audio, and you aren't using a Desktop Environment, the usual answer is to use the basic ALSA tools.
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1742 [21:30:13] <greycat> Most people haTe pulse so much that they even go out of their way to run older versions of firefox in order to continue having ALSA audio support in their browser. (Or they use google-chrome instead.)
1743 [21:30:43] <tytan> but why?
1744 [21:30:50] <greycat> Why what?
1745 [21:30:51] <nkuttler> sound daemons suck. period
1746 [21:30:57] <tytan> why do people hate pulseaudio?
1747 [21:31:07] <greycat> Mostly because it doesn't actually work.
1748 [21:31:18] <nkuttler> they just introduce more overhead and problems. unless they solve a problem you have
1749 [21:31:19] <tytan> how is also different from pulse?
1750 [21:31:27] <tytan> *alsa
1751 [21:31:35] <greycat> There was a conversation here several hours ago, and apparently it has gotten "less bad" recently and only breaks once a month or so.
1752 [21:31:50] <greycat> pulse is a layer that sits on top of ALSA
1753 [21:32:54] <tytan> ok so apt install alsa-utils and be happy? ^^
1754 [21:33:04] <greycat> !alsa checklist
1755 [21:33:04] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
1756 [21:33:04] <annadane> or be unhappy
1757 [21:33:39] <tytan> don't worry
1758 [21:33:48] <greycat> I've never tried pulse myself so I can't help if you choose that road, but plenty of other people use it, usually unwittingly as part of some DE.
1759 [21:34:18] <tytan> yeah, I have used pa-applets in the past in xfce and KDE
1760 [21:35:03] <nkuttler> tytan: i have that too. i just prefer something in my terminal
1761 [21:35:20] <annadane> my main annoyance with the whole audio thing is the fact that applications can affect system-wide volume
1762 [21:35:24] <annadane> but whatever
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1764 [21:35:38] <annadane> i have no real complaints, it's fine
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1766 [21:36:15] <tytan> I'm pretty happy with my Debian 9 i3wm setup at the moment. I mainly use it for LaTeX writing but I'd like to listen to some music while typing
1767 [21:36:28] <nkuttler> i think it sucks, but it's the only thing that lets my usb sound devices work nicely
1768 [21:36:31] <annadane> out of curiosity what do you use for latex?
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1770 [21:37:18] <tytan> I study electrical engineering and writing scientific articles is easier faster and looks better with LaTeX for me compared to Microsoft Word
1771 [21:37:36] <tytan> or even LibreOffice Writer
1772 [21:37:45] <annadane> well i mean what program(s)
1773 [21:37:59] <tytan> oh, just plain vim and texlive
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1777 [21:38:54] <tytan> also bibliography is a dream in LaTeX for me as well.
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1782 [21:41:24] <yes-we-can> I want to add string after a string in a line on 300 files
1783 [21:41:32] <yes-we-can> with bash
1784 [21:42:11] <yes-we-can> any ideas
1785 [21:42:17] <tytan> nah, I'
1786 [21:42:21] <tytan> m not that good with bash
1787 [21:42:25] <greycat> Show the actual input and the desired output.
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1789 [21:45:36] <sZbcE8qNfG> is apache mod's like php obsolete these days? compared to fast cgi
1790 [21:45:50] <yes-we-can> i wnt grep string "auth" and appen after this string a string "log", so that the liine now looks like "auth log". And there are 300 of similar files
1791 [21:46:02] <yes-we-can> how I can llop it?
1792 [21:46:03] <yes-we-can> sed?
1793 [21:46:07] <yes-we-can> loop
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1795 [21:46:47] <greycat> Or ignore me completely. Yay.
1796 [21:47:08] <clasick> anyone know when plasma-desktop 5.12 is coming to stretch?
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1798 [21:47:13] <annadane> never
1799 [21:47:17] <greycat> !stable
1800 [21:47:17] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
1801 [21:47:27] <annadane> you'll have to wait for the next stable release - buster - in about july 2019
1802 [21:47:40] <annadane> (which won't be 5.12 as sid is already on 5.13)
1803 [21:47:51] <clasick> ah
1804 [21:47:53] <clasick> sid = testing?
1805 [21:47:57] <annadane> sid = unstable
1806 [21:47:59] <greycat> sid = unstable
1807 [21:48:03] <clasick> hmm okay
1808 [21:48:05] <annadane> buster = current testing, next stable
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1810 [21:48:31] <annadane> stable = unchanging. mostly. learn to live with 5.8
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1812 [21:48:42] <clasick> haha okay
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1814 [21:49:39] <tytan> looks like chromium got a new design
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1816 [21:49:56] <clasick> tytan: looks the same to me...
1817 [21:50:31] <tytan> have you updated?
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1824 [21:54:56] <greycat> google-chrome updated last week, and as always, the design was changed because they have nothing better to do
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1826 [21:55:58] <jhutchins_wk> Is it going to start pestering me for a keychain passsword again?
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1831 [21:56:56] <tytan> what is it? forced creativity? I don't like the round edges
1832 [21:57:11] <abrotman> Complain to them?
1833 [21:57:26] <tytan> I just installed vivaldi
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1835 [21:57:42] <tytan> I kinda like the option to have the address bar at the bottom
1836 [21:57:49] <abrotman> Your'e still using webkit if that matters
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1838 [21:57:54] <greycat> I always assume it's the result of some focus group of teenagers with mobile phones glued to their hands that have never used a desktop computer ever in their entire lives.
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1840 [21:58:10] <tytan> possibly
1841 [21:58:15] <greycat> "how can we make this browser more appealing to these teens and alienate every desktop user even more?"
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1844 [21:59:00] <tytan> looking at the current state of Windows 10 and macOS it feels like GNU/Linux is the last real option for the desktop to me
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1848 [21:59:50] <tytan> Who ever thought it would be a good idea to have a notification center in a desktopp os
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1851 [22:00:18] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: All things google go through periodic visual design updates.
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1855 [22:01:49] <binaryhermit> some more frequently than others
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1866 [22:11:30] <n4dir> asking for help with debian ppc will probably give the answer to go to the silent #debianppc channel? I don't even understand what "debian ports" might be ...
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1869 [22:12:38] <annadane> i mean it also depends on the question
1870 [22:12:47] <annadane> possible someone does know and can answer it
1871 [22:13:15] <Habbie> indeed - just ask your question and see
1872 [22:13:18] <sZbcE8qNfG> if i'm storing an SSL, where is the best location store it?
1873 [22:13:20] <n4dir> yeah, that is what i was hoping for, but i don't wanna spam the channel with off-topic before asking
1874 [22:13:53] <tytan> if it's similar to FreeBSD ports it's just a different way to install and maintain software. You pasicly got a software collection called ports tree and the you compile your software from source "make clean install)
1875 [22:14:14] <tytan> I thinks it's necessary because there are not as many prebuild packages for that architecture
1876 [22:14:18] <mason> A Debian "port" refers to an architecture on which Debian runs.
1877 [22:14:25] <tytan> oh damn
1878 [22:14:29] <tytan> I missed by a lot then
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1880 [22:14:48] <n4dir> actual debian-old-stable is installed on the iMac. I found a link which gave an iso to debian-sid for the ppc. The major question is if i have to reinstall, or can upgrade from, lol, jessie to sid.
1881 [22:15:20] <greycat> you would probably have more luck upgrading to stretch first, *then* to unstable
1882 [22:15:35] <greycat> leapfrogging stretch could break some things, maybe
1883 [22:15:40] <n4dir> well: and as i am not that familiar with ppc or macs, i would prefer to stay on jessie if using sid is a road to distaster on the ppc (on a PC i do know sid and can work around it)
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1885 [22:15:57] <n4dir> greycat: thats just what i think, but i don't think it is possible for the ppc
1886 [22:15:58] <m712> with both GPG 2.2.8 and 2.2.10, when I try to decrypt a file I get the following error: "gpg: problem with the agent: Permission denied"
1887 [22:16:10] <m712> any ideas?
1888 [22:16:24] <m712> searched around, this error doesn't seem to have been answered
1889 [22:17:16] <n4dir> the information you find online is rather sparse. Best i could find: replaced-url
1890 [22:17:21] <m712> i am not logged in as root, however i AM in a chroot
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1897 [22:19:34] <brw> m712: being in a chroot jail is not the same as being root
1898 [22:19:37] <brw> what are the permissions on the files?
1899 [22:19:40] <Trel> Is there any way to install mysql NOT mariadb?
1900 [22:19:59] <greycat> You can always use the upstream mysql.
1901 [22:20:05] <greycat> Just ignore all the debian stuff entirely.
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1903 [22:20:16] <m712> brw, i know.
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1905 [22:20:28] <m712> what permissions do you need?
1906 [22:20:37] <m712> i have m712:m712 644 on the encrypted file
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1908 [22:20:50] <brw> what about on the GPG decrypt?
1909 [22:20:50] <m712> outside the chroot it seems to work
1910 [22:20:53] <Trel> greycat: specifically from package managagement I mean, sorry
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1916 [22:23:04] <greycat> Trel: in that case, I am pleased to be able to offer you this definitive and well-researched answer: No.
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1919 [22:24:54] <bites> upstream has an apt repository. never used it.
1920 [22:25:17] <Trel> Wonderfull. I'm just running into an issue with trying to use it as a datasource, and the mysql provided connectors no longer seem to work.
1921 [22:25:25] <Trel> and mariadb doesn't ship a .net one
1922 [22:26:17] <brw> m712: sounds like a perms issue with the chroot jail.
1923 [22:26:35] <m712> brw, i will check it
1924 [22:26:36] <m712> thank you
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1926 [22:29:52] <Trel> Looks like I may need to do it manually ><
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1930 [22:30:47] <bites> Trel: what i said was directed at you.
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1934 [22:32:17] <jelly> m712: you'll want to sanitize your env.vars in a chroot if you don't bind mount the relevant socket paths
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1937 [22:33:53] <jelly> m712: see if "env |grep AGENT" says anything, and whether it points to a path that exists outside chroot but not inside
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1949 [22:41:28] <Trel> bites: ah sorry, didn't realize. Upstream as in sid, or something else?
1950 [22:41:37] <greycat> !upstream
1951 [22:41:37] <dpkg> i heard upstream is where Debian developers download software from. replaced-url
1952 [22:41:45] <bites> upsteam as in they who must not be named.
1953 [22:41:50] <greycat> upstream in this case would be Oracle™
1954 [22:41:50] <bites> the evil o-word
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1956 [22:42:26] <annadane> one real a******* called larry ellison
1957 [22:42:34] <Trel> Oh, that's what I meant by manually
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1959 [22:42:55] <greycat> He's saying that they have a repository of .deb file (*shudder*) that you might consider instead of building the source tarballs.
1960 [22:43:11] <greycat> I don't know whether that's true, or how safe they are, but I wouldn't touch ANY of it if I had any choice.
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1962 [22:44:00] <ctcx> greycat: trying to make a systemd service for a background-ed process, would be like "background-ing an already background-ed process"?
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1966 [22:46:00] <greycat> if it self-backgrounds and you cannot stop it from doing that, you must use Type=forking
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1968 [22:46:24] <jhutchins_wk> Trel: You might look into Percona. It's goal is 100% backwards compatible + enhancements.
1969 [22:47:15] <ctcx> Ok, got it.
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1971 [22:47:29] <greycat> I thought the mariadb in stretch was still supposed to be 100% compatible with some version of mysql.
1972 [22:48:18] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I believe it is, but they are headed toward forking it. I'm not sure how far, and I'm not sure that's 100% reliable info; things change.
1973 [22:48:47] <greycat> Which makes me think that whatever problem Trel is having, switching away from mariadb isn't the solution.
1974 [22:49:03] <greycat> But I don't use either of them in any serious capacity.
1975 [22:49:52] <jhutchins_wk> Here's Percona's take on it: replaced-url
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1977 [22:51:23] <jhutchins_wk> (I'm not pushing Percona, it's just the choice our DBAs made and I'm a little familiar with it.)
1978 [22:51:56] <bites> they were asking for a .net thingy. percona seems to have it.
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1984 [22:56:18] <greycat> I don't really understand what "offering a .NET thing" would mean here. If you're setting up the database server on Debian, then all the ".NET things" would be on the clients, right? It's just a way for the client application to talk over a socket to the database...?
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1990 [23:01:00] <Trel> greycat: I found ONE reference to my issue, and it looks like it stems from mysql updating the .net connector in a way that breaks compatabilty with mariadb
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1992 [23:01:07] <Trel> apparently using an older version works
1993 [23:01:17] <greycat> My initial reaction to hearing that is "probably on purpose"/
1994 [23:01:29] <Trel> I don't disagree ><
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2004 [23:09:45] <Antoine__> Hello, I am using nginx 1.14 from the backport. I'd like to move to the default repo, how can I do that?
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2016 [23:19:32] <Antoine__> I guess I can just remove it then remove the backports repo then reinstall it as long as the config is compatible, which it should be as it hasn't changed for at least a year.
2017 [23:19:37] <Antoine__> Right? :)
2018 [23:19:52] <n4dir> was my first thought do, but what do i know.
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2022 [23:22:33] <usney> how do I adjust the screen in console?
2023 [23:22:40] <usney> it is too big
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2025 [23:23:05] <mason> usney: man setfont
2026 [23:24:17] <usney> how about if it doesn't show the text?
2027 [23:24:31] <usney> it is an auto login
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2029 [23:24:42] <usney> and I can't see what I type out
2030 [23:24:44] <mason> I don't understand.
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2032 [23:24:48] <mason> Ah. ssh in maybe?
2033 [23:25:06] <usney> I could try that
2034 [23:25:09] <mason> If not that, maybe boot from rescue media and experiment that way.
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2036 [23:25:31] <usney> it is a custom armbian based on debian
2037 [23:25:56] <usney> for flashing android to orange pi pc plus
2038 [23:26:03] <usney> I think it is unofficial
2039 [23:26:14] <usney> but supposedly by the armbian guys
2040 [23:26:15] <mason> Ya got me.
2041 [23:26:24] <mason> For that I'd find a mailing list.
2042 [23:26:44] <usney> well you helped me enough for what I needed
2043 [23:26:50] <mason> Hopefully.
2044 [23:26:50] <Antoine__> n4dir: All right, it looks like it worked :).
2045 [23:26:58] <usney> I know how to setup ssh mason
2046 [23:27:17] <usney> just have to find out the ip address
2047 [23:27:36] <mason> usney: Your DHCP server will have logs of it.
2048 [23:27:40] <n4dir> i can offer you a search-term, usney: something like "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (but there is a different thing for dpkg-reconfigure too, i forgot the name). Not sure if it helped me with font size (i think it didn't)
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2050 [23:29:34] <n4dir> "nmap -sP 198.168.178.0/24" would work for my network usney, else 192.168.192.0/24, or whatever you have
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2060 [23:41:39] <usney> I was just going to use the "ip address" command n4dir mason
2061 [23:41:53] <usney> the screen is still readable just hard to read
2062 [23:42:06] <usney> some of it is cut off though
2063 [23:42:08] <mason> ip a works too - less typing
2064 [23:42:15] <usney> hopefully the ip is intact
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2066 [23:42:21] <n4dir> did you try dpkg-reconfigure (i ain't got that much hope, just an idea)
2067 [23:42:32] <usney> nope I will try
2068 [23:42:40] <usney> first I have to switch memory cards
2069 [23:43:03] <usney> going to make a suggestion to the orange pi makers
2070 [23:43:13] <usney> maybe they will implement it or not
2071 [23:43:15] <n4dir> console-setup seems to be the one i had in mind. The other one is console-data (whatever that might do)
2072 [23:43:30] <usney> but I have to remove the casing each time to remove the card
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2076 [23:44:13] <usney> would be more convenient if it was spring loaded where you just push on it again and it comes out.
2077 [23:46:38] <usney> I'll try n4dir
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2079 [23:47:26] <n4dir> looks like dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ; is just a different way to do "setfont" mason mentioned.
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2081 [23:48:16] <usney> what's a good 15 dollar keyboard you guys recommend?
2082 [23:48:44] <usney> I got a verbatium but I don't like that the delete key is the size of a letter or number key
2083 [23:49:03] <usney> verbatim
2084 [23:49:10] <usney> maybe logitech?
2085 [23:49:54] <n4dir> didn't read that: "The way to do this on a systemd operating system is to edit the font settings in the /etc/vconsole.conf file. These settings are applied by the systemd-vconsole-setup service, " yada-yada, "debian and such still support the old ways to do it"
2086 [23:50:42] <n4dir> here is the link, no need to copy new stuff i hear of for the first time in my life: replaced-url
2087 [23:51:11] <usney> I don't think it is a font issue
2088 [23:51:17] <usney> I think it is a screen size
2089 [23:51:26] <usney> I am using a tv/computer monitor
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2091 [23:51:41] <Trel> I ended up just using mariadb and downgrading the .net connector to the 6 series.
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2095 [23:54:11] <usney> n4dir can the read and write rate of an microsd card degrade over time from repeated use?
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2097 [23:54:53] <n4dir> sorry, no clue.
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2102 [23:55:37] <n4dir> when i had problems with console fonts (too small in my case), i also recall having tried something like this: replaced-url
2103 [23:55:53] <n4dir> it's too long ago, all that are vague memories. don't take my word for it.
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2108 [23:59:45] <usney> wow thanks guys that worked n4dir and mason
2109 [23:59:57] <usney> now how do I get the welcome screen back again?
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