23[00:23:00] <pldiem> GNOME, I am able to connect with my phone, or at least I was, and I did for a while with my headset but only with output, I started working on mic, and now nothing works
128[02:06:29] <sZbcE8qNfG_> if I wanted to move debian installation (4 partitions..boot, swap, root, and home, luks encrypted)...to move it to an SSD, would DDing each partition be enough?
167[03:02:05] <dirac1> sZbcE8qNfG_, rsync for a safer movement and of course you'll need to change the /etc/fstab and reconfigure your grub (if you are using grub as your bootloader)
168[03:02:44] <sZbcE8qNfG_> don't I need to reinstall grub into the new hd?
169[03:03:13] <dirac1> Yes sir that's why I'm saying to reconfigure your grub.
170[03:03:29] <sZbcE8qNfG_> crap I haven't done a grub install manually
176[03:05:15] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i wish there was an easier way built into linux
177[03:05:22] <dirac1> sZbcE8qNfG_, or use a second filesystem inside a usb and chroot into your new filesystem in the SSD
178[03:06:04] <sZbcE8qNfG_> im just going to reinstall...too complicated :)
179[03:06:17] <sZbcE8qNfG_> thanks for info
180[03:07:45] <dirac1> Oh well, if your /root isn't so populated, you can repartition your new SSD, and simply use rsync to copy your whole /home. (and after installing the new filesystem, create again the same user with the same uid)
181[03:08:33] <dirac1> And you'll have the new system with your old home, while you reinstall all the packages needed for that home configuration files.
216[03:22:45] <sZbcE8qNfG_> should I add discard to fstab for my SSD?
217[03:22:58] <sZbcE8qNfG_> on ubuntu...it looks like they have a service fstrim
218[03:23:26] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, when I was migrating my system I just used gparted on an ssd to create unformatted partitions of correct sizes, then I dd'd LUKS partitions without even opening them, all was done on a live system
240[03:36:10] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, oh yeah, I was migrating to an SSD of larger size and thanks to not using LVM I just entered something like fsck on an opened LUKS partition and it resized itself properly
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245[03:39:40] <SerajewelKS> i don't know what would be messy about LVM
246[03:40:30] <SerajewelKS> in fact, LVM can be far less messy. you can migrate to another disk from within the system, while it is running. if you have hotswappable drives (and a storage controller that supports it) you can migrate to another disk without shutting down the system at all.
247[03:41:55] <SerajewelKS> add new disk -> vgextend (add new drive to VG) -> vgreduce (remove old drive from VG, LVM live-migrates the volume to the new PV) -> lvextend (extend the LV to fill up the new PV) -> remove old disk
254[03:47:42] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i thought by default FDE used LVM
255[03:48:00] <SerajewelKS> LVM is fairly straightforward. basically you build "volume groups" (VG) from "physical volumes" (PV) and then "logical volumes" (LV) can be created in a VG. LVs have an allocation strategy which comes into play when a VG contains multiple PVs.
257[03:48:45] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, why the hell I would ever want this?
258[03:48:49] <SerajewelKS> but even with a single physical volume, LVM has tremendous benefits when you need to change your storage configuration. it allows you to do a wide array of things, including (as i mentioned) moving a volume to different physical media while it is mounted and in use.
259[03:51:04] <SerajewelKS> LVM snapshots also allow you to take point-in-time copies of an entire volume using a copy-on-write strategy, which means that snapshots take up no space until blocks on the underlying volume change
260[03:51:35] <Lyberta> ok, so enterprise thing
261[03:51:40] <sZbcE8qNfG_> are you a sysadmin?
262[03:52:39] <SerajewelKS> yes, i am a sysadmin. though i use dmraid+LVM on my home LAN server as well. though i also use enterprise-grade networking hardware at home, so take that with a grain of salt.
263[03:53:21] <sZbcE8qNfG_> that's exactly what a sysadmin would do
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271[03:55:40] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, huh, why grub at all? try creating a dual boot encrypted system using debian package of grub, that's pretty much impossible, I use rEFInd that is much better
272[03:55:43] <galex-713> Hi
273[03:55:55] <galex-713> Was firefox upgraded under stable?
274[03:55:59] <sZbcE8qNfG_> yes
275[03:56:03] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i got it last night
276[03:56:07] <galex-713> with all the debian-packaged extensions now incompatible?
277[03:56:09] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i dont like it
278[03:56:10] <galex-713> I got it now
279[03:56:11] <SerajewelKS> Lyberta: it depends how you define "dual boot encrypted system" -- what OSes, and what type(s) of encryption on each?
280[03:56:12] <galex-713> wtf
281[03:56:20] <galex-713> that shouldn’t be done *inside* a release
282[03:56:26] <galex-713> that should be for testing
283[03:56:31] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, in my case 2 debians with LUKS
284[03:56:39] <galex-713> now all the packages that were packaged for the last version are broken
285[03:57:00] <SerajewelKS> Lyberta: that should work just fine with grub, thought i don't begrudge anyone their choice of bootloader
286[03:57:06] <SerajewelKS> though*
287[03:57:07] <bites> firefox has always been an exception. the debian security team will not support an EOL browser.
288[03:57:12] <galex-713> eol?
289[03:57:17] <galex-713> ah yeah, security :/
290[03:57:22] <sZbcE8qNfG_> end of life
291[03:57:22] <bites> end of life. 52 esr is dead.
292[03:57:26] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: the old firefox ESR is no longer supported by mozilla
293[03:57:30] <SerajewelKS> debian doesn't have much choice here
294[03:57:34] <galex-713> what the
295[03:57:43] <galex-713> mozilla do bad things
296[03:57:47] <SerajewelKS> ?
297[03:57:56] <sZbcE8qNfG_> it does technically, it can focus all of the development efforts on a new browser and blow mozilla firefox out of the water
298[03:57:56] <SerajewelKS> no, mozilla is following the timeline they published years ago
299[03:58:02] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, you can't mount ESP to /boot because it needs POSIX permissions, so I guess the only way to make it work is via tons of scripts
300[03:58:03] <yuta> someone is having issues with firefox on debian???
301[03:58:05] <galex-713> so now, their “EOL” is so short we can’t even keep the tradition of keeping the same version for one distribution
302[03:58:17] <yuta> it freezes up my entire machine when i load javascript intensive sites like facebook or outlook
303[03:58:31] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: then why debian didn’t upgraded firefox just before the freeze so it lasted until next freeze?
304[03:58:41] <galex-713> I never saw that before
305[03:58:50] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: because firefox 60 ESR was not released then
306[03:59:05] <galex-713> that’s what I’m criticizing
307[03:59:10] <galex-713> and now it’s breaking all debian stuff
332[04:01:09] <SerajewelKS> ESR means the program will get security updates for a long period of time, on the order of years. so 52 ESR was chosen for stable because it was the latest ESR at the time.
333[04:01:10] <galex-713> something like that?
334[04:01:14] <SerajewelKS> 59 is NOT an ESR release
335[04:01:14] <galex-713> like LTS for ubuntu
336[04:01:23] <SerajewelKS> so it will become unsupported by mozilla very soon
337[04:01:33] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: okay, but maybe 59 could keep ESR until next freeze?
338[04:01:41] <SerajewelKS> 59 is not ESR
339[04:01:42] <galex-713> that’s too fast
340[04:01:47] <Lyberta> galex-713, 57 broke everything not 60
341[04:01:52] <galex-713> everything is becoming too fast for debian, that’s bad
342[04:01:57] <coruja> galex-713, instead of all the whining and complaining you could already have uninstalled debian's extensions and replace them with mozilla's ones (if you need them that much)
343[04:01:58] <galex-713> Lyberta: ah
344[04:02:01] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: not every firefox release is an ESR release
345[04:02:03] <galex-713> and is 57 already EOL?
346[04:02:06] <SerajewelKS> you can't just pick one
347[04:02:08] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: I got that
348[04:02:12] <galex-713> 52 is the last ESR
349[04:02:15] <SerajewelKS> if you pick one that's not ESR then you run into the same problem in a month or two
351[04:02:28] <Lyberta> galex-713, if you want latest version of firefox that supports XUL - it is 56
352[04:02:32] <SerajewelKS> so if debian packages 59 then we have to upgrade again very soon, which makes no sense
353[04:02:56] <galex-713> coruja: I prefer to use the same package manager for everything, so the amount of people I need to put trust in is less big, also keys are already in my install, and packages already signed
361[04:04:01] <sZbcE8qNfG_> it is the best in the bottom of the garbage can
362[04:04:01] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: 56 is not an ESR
363[04:04:12] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: the next ESR after 52 is 60
364[04:04:21] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: I got it, no need to repeat
365[04:04:22] <Lyberta> galex-713, you do not have to update to 60 but that will break eventually
366[04:04:45] <sZbcE8qNfG_> firefox: mr robot, mozilla location service, installing addons without asking users permissions
367[04:04:53] <SerajewelKS> basically debian did the least worst thing. it sucks, but the alternative is letting everyone keep use a browser that doesn't get security patches.
368[04:04:53] <galex-713> I just mean maybe going from 52 to 56 then 60, and making one exception with one non-esr package could be better, since it would break packages for a shorter amount of time
369[04:05:27] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, slaughtering status bar, classic theme, what else...
370[04:05:42] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: couldn’t we backport security patches? I mean… firefox forks almost exist… at least stuff using gecko…
371[04:05:45] <sZbcE8qNfG_> there are others, look in the about:config to see all the crap they try to hide
382[04:06:58] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, adding support for Extremely Malicious Extensions is a sin :P
383[04:07:02] <sZbcE8qNfG_> like mixing the urlbar and search bar together and removing the option to keep it separate if you remove it from the default UI.....this way all "search queries" goto their $$$ donation backer Mr. Google
384[04:07:16] <coruja> galex-713, what about chromium then?
385[04:07:19] <oiaohm> galex-713: also the 56 idea is not workable as it gets support end 1 month after it release.
386[04:07:26] <oiaohm> galex-713: no security updates.
387[04:07:34] <SerajewelKS> also 56 came out a year ago
388[04:07:41] <SerajewelKS> so support ended like 11 months ago
389[04:07:43] <galex-713> coruja: extremely dubious, lot of google spying feature, closed development, difficult to review, difficult to extend
390[04:08:01] <oiaohm> galex-713: sorry 2 months
391[04:08:01] <galex-713> I know someone under oldstable
392[04:08:11] <galex-713> they must be happy of not having this problem
393[04:08:12] <Lyberta> debian should package waterfox, at least it has XUL
394[04:08:21] <oiaohm> SerajewelKS: fast releases at mozilla have 2 months ESR has 12 months.
395[04:08:26] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: maybe. they also are probably not secure. :)
396[04:08:37] <SerajewelKS> oiaohm: okay. so support ended 10 months ago.
397[04:08:41] <SerajewelKS> same difference
398[04:08:57] <sZbcE8qNfG_> mozilla, google, microsoft, apple....it's a cartel operation.
399[04:09:01] <galex-713> I mean, I’d prefer learn “not doing anything sensitive with firefox” (and maybe using, dunno, konqueror, w3m, links, lynx or eww for that) than this
400[04:09:10] <sZbcE8qNfG_> mozilla is in the business of data mining and brokering to the highest bidder
420[04:10:50] <galex-713> sZbcE8qNfG_: inconsciously even I’d say
421[04:10:54] <galex-713> it’s like GNOME you know
422[04:11:00] <oiaohm> Items like firefox and chrome I really do think they should be considered being moved out to flatpak
423[04:11:02] <galex-713> there are out there a lot of cloud-enthousiasts
424[04:11:14] <galex-713> cloud is worse than proprietary software, even rms says it
425[04:11:19] <galex-713> however, not everybody agree
426[04:11:45] <galex-713> it’s like if people accepted proprietary was bad but only a little and because you made them repeat it a thousand time, but they didn’t understand anything
427[04:11:56] <oiaohm> because neither firefox or chrome is going to give 3 to 5 years as a distribution need.
428[04:11:56] <sZbcE8qNfG_> see my example in oftopic
429[04:11:57] <galex-713> oiaohm: what is flatpak ?
455[04:15:43] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: hell, a buffer overrun exploit in the CSS parser could be found, to where you get RCE just by visiting a webpage
456[04:15:55] <SerajewelKS> not saying it's likely, but there's a much larger attack surface in a browser than just javascript
457[04:16:09] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: is firefox really so bad we find stuff like that every year?
458[04:16:22] <coruja> galex-713, you may also use debian's snapshots to revert to a version that pleases (and pin it then)
459[04:16:25] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: no, but if it is found, i want my browser to be updated
460[04:16:36] <galex-713> anything could, just setting prefix as .local, linking .local/etc to .config, and not using anything outside /home would normally work with any package manager
462[04:16:42] <SerajewelKS> because if i'm not using an actively-supported release, i'm probably also not reading security changelogs from the current version
463[04:16:53] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: if it is so bad why not backporting the bugfixes, like it is done for other pakages?
464[04:17:20] <galex-713> oiaohm: I’d better study SELinux or develop a non-monolithic kernel like the hurd
465[04:17:25] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: some fixes can't be backported. e.g. quantum changed a lot of the layout engine. if there's a bug in the OLD layout engine in 52, nobody is even going to discover it, except possibly the bad actors.
468[04:17:33] <Lyberta> I think the only winning move is kiss world wide web goodbye, it was ok while it lasted
469[04:17:42] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: if there is a bug in the new layout engine, it doesn't even apply to 52
470[04:18:15] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: after 52 goes EOL, nobody is looking for security problems there except bad actors, because there is no point. mozilla won't patch anything that's found, why would people look?
471[04:18:31] <galex-713> Lyberta: it was never okay, it stopped to be okay after replaced-url
472[04:18:39] <SerajewelKS> if the bug was fixed already in 60 because of an architectural change, the fix can't even be backported
473[04:18:53] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: can webextensions allow stuff like treestyletabs?
490[04:21:04] <galex-713> Lyberta: I agree with SerajewelKS, the UI is not the worse
491[04:21:05] <Lyberta> I'm not gonna surf the web when I can't even get anywhere because UI is unusable
492[04:21:20] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: honestly i don't know. time will tell. you can maybe use 60 for awhile but keep 52 installed for some things until the extensions you need get forward-ported.
493[04:21:44] <galex-713> oiaohm: no you don’t understand, selinux is normally able to add fine-grained permission system near to sandboxing without loosing performances as much as real sandboxing would and without extra software by ubuntu
494[04:22:04] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: I can’t keep it installed, the upgrade removed it! :/
495[04:22:07] <SerajewelKS> selinux is a possible solution if you want to keep using 52
496[04:22:17] <Lyberta> firefox 4 made UI unusable because it removed status bar, thanks to XUL it could be fixed
497[04:22:18] <SerajewelKS> i tend to go overboard for sandboxing though, give me a full VM any day
500[04:22:42] <SerajewelKS> anyway i gotta run. do what you want, just don't blame me for the results. :)
501[04:24:40] <oiaohm> galex-713: bubblewrap sandbox system that is at the base of flatpak currently does not cause any major performance overhead. selinux would just make it harder. If you are thinking about snap sandbox that this is horrible because it using loopback mounts.
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503[04:30:00] <bites> i really don't see your point. how would flatpak change anything related to this discussion?
507[04:35:29] <SerajewelKS> bites: the idea i think is that you run firefox in a sandbox such that a security vulnerability couldn't compromise the whole system
508[04:35:41] <SerajewelKS> however, it could still compromise anything in firefox, including cookies for other sites
509[04:36:29] <bites> the solution is not to give users a vulnerable browser and run it in a sandbox. that's insanity.
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513[04:38:32] <SerajewelKS> (that debian choosing firefox 60 was the only logical thing to do)
514[04:38:57] <oiaohm> bites: really items like a brower are always at high risk of zero days. WIth the fact that a fixed version will not be maintained as long as the life cycle requirements and you will need to backport you have problem.
515[04:39:31] <bites> that's why browsers get version bumps in debian.
517[04:40:05] <galex-713> at least it’s a little more fast
518[04:40:06] <bites> it's not new.
519[04:40:59] <galex-713> bites: if the other option is worse…
520[04:43:13] <SerajewelKS> i didn't see the speed improvement in quantum, but i think that's because what i do tends to be heavier on the javascript side and the JS engine really didn't see much improvement. it was all DOM/layout.
521[04:43:23] <SerajewelKS> which is great for the initial render, but doesn't help much beyond that. *shrug*
546[04:55:52] <oiaohm> bites: basically flatpak as a simple to use chroot.
547[04:58:31] <oiaohm> Moving fast moving packages that need to be fast moving to flatpak or the like for older releases just would get rid of a stack of backporting problems.
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728[09:51:19] <Putti> Do you know if there are any plans to make the Firefox plugins work again as the new version that came yesterday doesn't work with them
782[10:52:34] <jelly> Putti: oh, extensions. xul ("legacy") extensions will not be coming back to Firefox. No idea about ABP, but NoScript has an updated version that works with replaced-url
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828[11:20:42] <dionysus69> This may apply to the operating system so here is my problem, if it goes to grub and then just goes for regular boot, it shuts off after 2 seconds but if I do recovery mode first and then normal boot then it boots up, any ideas what maybe wrong with my old laptop?
839[11:34:01] <dka> Is anyone familiar with OpenLDAP ACL?
840[11:34:16] <dka> I want to give simple read access to an org tree for a particular user
841[11:35:21] <Habbie> dka, there's #openldap on this network
842[11:35:43] <jelly> and just #ldap too
843[11:35:54] <Habbie> indeed
844[11:36:03] <Habbie> oh, dka is in #ldap :)
845[11:39:22] <rakor> Hey there. I want to switch from stable to updating. I thought to ":%s/ stretch/ testing/g" in vim. But are those repos all available for testing? Especially, is there a "testing-updates"?
848[11:42:01] <ksk> rakor: why not give it a try? :)
849[11:42:27] <rakor> Cause I want to do it the right way ;)
850[11:43:37] <rakor> I tested it in a VM and it worked... but will this line be a zombie?!
851[11:44:22] <ksk> No.
852[11:44:52] <ksk> If it was not available, it would produce for a example a http 404 error - and you would see APT complaining about that on apt-get upgrade
854[11:45:57] <ksk> just test it by invalidating (put a typo into) a line, and run apt-get update to have a look what happens (no explosions, I swear!).
862[11:48:32] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
863[11:48:49] <ksk> if you have problems in the future, see this channel.
865[11:49:49] <jelly> rakor: don't switch to 'testing', use a codename instead. it's 'buster' right now. That way you'll avoid surprises when everything breaks in testing right after a release
879[11:58:40] <jelly> rakor: it gets... interesting right after a release, after it's switched over to a new codename and everyone uploads all the latest stuff they waited on during the freeze
969[13:18:27] <dutchfish> privileges* sorry for the typos
970[13:18:35] <dka> ok
971[13:18:47] <dka> I will update `olcAccess: {2}to dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read by * none `
972[13:18:59] <dka> With `olcAccess: {2}to dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" search by * none `
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974[13:19:42] <dutchfish> dka, so in short, learn forest(s), make sure your query matching your schematics, do the right order. and user has the correct search ATTR.
987[13:24:42] <dka> This is the current schema: replaced-url
988[13:25:02] <dka> dutchfish, I have applied scdx as you can see
989[13:25:41] <dka> If you know how I could solve this and create a less public user for part of our ldap, I would be really glad. I've been through the documentation and I need to have an example.
990[13:25:54] <dka> I have a basic task I can accomplished, my feeling is that I am bad. Is that me?
1078[14:27:07] <EdePopede> firefox-esr 60.2 was just offered to me, so i looked into the server. 60.1 is also there, but only as a .tar.xz archive. does it mean it wasn't readily debianized for a go?
1079[14:27:47] <hexhaxtron> at0m: thanks!
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1140[15:24:33] <bites> please describe your problem and what software you are using to connect.
1141[15:26:35] <pldiem> I am able to connect to my headset, using build in bluetooth or blueman, for a while I had even sound through a2dp, I had to do "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth" but worked, then I started working on mic and right now nothing works
1142[15:26:59] <pldiem> I cannot change Profile from Off, every time I try to use different profile I am disconnected
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1152[15:29:17] <dob1> hi, can someone help me to understand how to mange openvpn with systemd on stretch? I have the client config file (client.conf) in /etc/openvpn/client but when? what to do?
1153[15:29:40] <bites> pldiem: disconnect all devices. when you right-click on the blueman-applet then go to "Devices", then right click on your headset and select Connect To: Audio Sink while your headset is turned on and searching for a connection, what happens?
1158[15:32:07] <pldiem> now I have to run "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth"
1159[15:32:15] <pldiem> and reconnect
1160[15:32:25] <dob1> I tried systemctl start systemctl enable openvpn-client@client1.service and this gave me Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn-client@client1.service → /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service
1161[15:32:25] <pldiem> now I will see the device
1162[15:32:42] <pldiem> but when I will try to change profile from Off
1179[15:45:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> hello, if I had firmware-atheros installed from stable and then I install from backports (apt-get -t stretch-backports install firmware-atheros).....what happens? like which firmware is used?
1180[15:46:43] <dvs> sZbcE8qNfG, the one from backports.
1181[15:47:12] <sZbcE8qNfG> don't I need to apt-get purge firmware-atheros from stable?
1186[15:48:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> I installed a new kernel apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64. To later update to the new backports kernel, do I run the same exact command?
1190[15:49:48] <sZbcE8qNfG> yep but when linux-image-amd64 in backports points to a newer version of the kernel than the one I had installed from backports....do I run the same command?
1191[15:50:40] <bites> not sure what you are asking.
1194[15:51:09] <bites> that command will get you the latest kernel from backports.
1195[15:51:11] <dvs> sZbcE8qNfG, if you update the llinux-image-amd64 package from backports, it will always update the kernel from backports
1196[15:51:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> example: backports linux-image-amd64 points to kernel 4.9. 1 week later, it is updated to 5.0. What happens to the linux-image-amd64 backports kernel I installed a week ago? How will that update from 4.9 to 5.0?
1197[15:52:10] <sZbcE8qNfG> will it be included in apt-get full-upgrade or do I need to run some other command
1198[15:52:18] <bites> you will have an additional kernel installed, the old one stays.
1199[15:52:56] <bites> and it will fail if you have not enough space in /boot/
1200[15:53:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> ok, so after I install the new kernel from backports. If backports receives a NEWER version 1 week later....apt-get full-upgrade will install that newer version
1201[15:53:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
1202[15:53:27] <dob1> how can I ask systemd to generate the service for openvpn ? openvpn-client@conf1.service
1205[15:54:45] <bites> services with @ in them are templates. if you start openvpn-client@conf1.service it starts the service from that template with conf1 as an argument. if that's the answer you are looking for.
1210[15:58:38] <judd> No package named 'mesa' was found in amd64.
1211[15:59:52] <dob1> I managed to make it working put the client1.conf in /etc/openvpn but so, what is the purpose of the client and server directories?
1213[16:00:59] <dob1> sudo systemctl enable openvpn@client1.service works, but if I put client1.conf on /etc/openvpn/client and I use sudo systemctl enable openvpn-client@client1.conf do nothing
1214[16:01:51] <bites> the only thing enable does is create symlinks so the service starts on boot.
1215[16:02:26] <bites> systemctl start starts a service. or use restart if it's already running.
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1218[16:06:04] <dob1> bites, ok you right it start it as you said. but what it gives me confusion is that openvpn-client@client1.service is not found by autocompletition instead openvpn@client1.service it is
1220[16:06:41] <dob1> I have to write openvpn-client@client1.service , instead with the other configuration I see the service openvpn@client1.service, more clear
1385[18:22:16] <judd> Backporting package gnome in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
1386[18:22:22] <bites> !ssb
1387[18:22:22] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1388[18:22:32] <bites> KaffeeKatrin: you can try if you want. ^
1397[18:32:40] <EdePopede> keyboard handling seem to be by far more complicated that in the past. is there a paper / wiki / blog entry explaining how it works in an actual debian?
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1401[18:40:27] <EdePopede> i had T2 layout before, now it seems to be T3. seem at least to have more layers and some things moved to another key. and typing unicode characters by code works now finally in hexchat (input method is "simple" now, there is also "none" "system (x input method)" and some more not language/coutry related), but not in say, firefox or mousepad. though in hexchat now i to get '@' it is C-S<u><4 0> instead of
1402[18:40:27] <EdePopede> C-S<ua><4 0> as before. and layout in the terminal also seems to be closer to layout in X than before. and then there's this IBus thing still don't get why it was installed...
1497[20:16:28] <deadrom> setting up deb9 in a VirtualBox 5 VM on a 3.6TB vdisk. installer says "free space on disk 3.9T". is this a 1000 vs 1024 thing or might deb not fair well with VBox?
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1503[20:18:00] <kktr> Hi. On a Debian installation /boot/config-X-Y-A-B file contains the options that correspond to the parameters used during Kernel compilation. My question, can I find this config elsewhere online (maybe some online code repository) that is used for kernels of Jessie/Stretch/Buster? (Ideally I want to use it to have the same exact parameters as debian to compile a custom kernel; need to change 2 lines of code)
1504[20:18:15] <petn-randall> deadrom: It's likely a Mebi vs mega thing, but you can check it yourself by comparing the byte sizes.
1505[20:18:59] <deadrom> petn-randall, the graphical installer does not tell me the byte size of the partition. can I make it?
1506[20:19:35] <petn-randall> deadrom: You could switch to the terminal (ctrl + alt + F2 I think) and show it there with 'fdisk -l'.
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1598[21:28:35] <petn-randall> hays: I see. And what's your question?
1599[21:28:56] <bites> check in /etc/logrotate.d/ if you have a config for that. then with dpkg -S /etc/logrotate.d/<file> check what package it's from. otherwise just remove it.
1600[21:29:51] <foldy> hi do anybody know about any problem with mounting a lot of bigger disk at startup at stretch ? I have xen at stretch with jess vps, but when I shutdown jess vps and try boot stretch vps with 6 more LVM partition (every around 3TB) it didnt boot and stops before login with systemd exception timeouts, mount optios are : /dev/xvda4 /mnt/data1 ext4 noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,x-systemd.device-timeout=300s 0 1
1601[21:29:55] <hays> i just deleted the files out of logrotate
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1604[21:30:26] <hays> is there a way to reinstall every package? I also have packages that are showing up with :amd64 and some don't have that tag/note on them
1605[21:30:37] <hays> I'd like to make it so they all don't have the tag/note
1613[21:32:13] <foldy> I think it di somehow fsck, but didnt end. vps is pinging but ssh is not up and I cannot login via console because systemd didnt boot until login.
1614[21:33:09] <NetTerminalGene> can i stop software store automatically load at boot?
1615[21:33:23] <NetTerminalGene> using default debian gnome
1616[21:33:41] <petn-randall> foldy: Sounds more like something is not set up correctly. If you can show us the actual boot error we can help you with that.
1618[21:34:41] <dka> How can I add item to the list when running : `update-alternatives --config desktop-background`
1619[21:35:02] <foldy> petn-randall, try to look at syslog if is there any, I can try at at night again, because im migrating it. I let you know at few minutes
1620[21:36:00] <hays> anyone have any ideas on my :amd64 question?
1621[21:37:06] <petn-randall> hays: Why do you want that? It's part of the package info.
1623[21:37:29] <hays> petn-randall: some of them have the :amd64 and some do not
1624[21:37:31] <petn-randall> hays: There are arch-specific packages, and those that aren't.
1625[21:38:03] <foldy> petn-randall, well it didnt write anything at messages or syslog, so I dont have data now and must try it again over night. Is there any option more for fstab to mount that partions as huge with a few milion files ?
1626[21:38:34] <hays> petn-randall: for example there are no python packages that have :amd64
1627[21:38:38] <petn-randall> foldy: I don't think the size is a problem. You likely have the wrong UUID in /etc/fstab or some other combination of errors.
1628[21:38:53] <petn-randall> hays: Yes, because they are "arch: all".
1629[21:39:14] <foldy> petn-randall, it is a LVM partitions with xen vps so it is a xvda* devices, no UUID.
1630[21:39:30] <petn-randall> hays: python is mostly interpreted, so the python scripts/libraries will run on any architecture.
1631[21:39:42] <petn-randall> foldy: That's likely your first issue.
1632[21:40:12] <hays> ahh, ok. I thought this might be stuff I needed to clean out from switching architectures
1634[21:40:21] <hays> now.. is there a way to just reinstall every package?
1635[21:40:25] <petn-randall> foldy: device names can change between release or even reboots. It's better to use UUIDs, as they are unique no matter what you do.
1636[21:40:40] <petn-randall> hays: How did you switch architectures?
1637[21:40:55] <petn-randall> hays: What would reinstalling every package accomplish?
1638[21:40:59] <hays> petn-randall: via a rather painful and error prone process
1639[21:41:00] <petn-randall> !xy
1640[21:41:00] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
1641[21:41:15] <petn-randall> hays: Step back, what are you trying to accomplish? ^^^
1642[21:41:47] <hays> I am trying to make reasonable assurance that any corruption that occurred during my migration to amd64 from i386 is corrected
1643[21:41:56] <foldy> petn-randall, jess vps havent problem with it, but when I stop it reconfigure xen config and start stretch vps, it didnt fully boot, I think xen + LVM didnt have UUID, because of they are same xvda* devicest pointing to same LVM partitions.
1644[21:42:04] <hays> ive already found one issue, where mariadb needed to be reinstalled
1645[21:42:29] <petn-randall> hays: How did the file get corrupted?
1646[21:43:01] <hays> petn-randall: i think that during the conversion to amd64, the package installation didnt' complete
1647[21:43:07] <petn-randall> hays: How did the package get corrupted? What kind of corruption?
1648[21:43:13] <hays> doing this required a lot of overrides
1659[21:45:02] <petn-randall> hays: Why not do a clean reinstall? It might be simpler to fix.
1660[21:45:16] <foldy> petn-randall, I think it tryes fsck maybe it is timeouting at that fsck, because that partitions need around 10 mins to do fsck and kernel do fails after 120sec (systemd waiting)
1661[21:46:07] <hays> seems easier to fix the things that are standard (debian packages) then to redo all of the things that are not standrd (particular server config)
1662[21:46:20] <petn-randall> foldy: That's not the issue. If fsck would be running, systemd wouldn't timeout after 10 minutes. That would be insane.
1666[21:47:13] <foldy> petn-randall, ok I try it at night again and copy it from console. thx
1667[21:48:21] <petn-randall> foldy: Likely it's waiting for the device in /etc/fstab to become available, but it never does (due to the device name getting changed).
1669[21:49:56] <foldy> petn-randall, strange is that when I simulate it with other smaller discs without data it works, I connect 10 more xvdas but not 3TB but 3GB and everything works from scratch.
1699[22:16:02] <annadane> do flatpaks come with their own configuration paths bundled in? for example, if i have emacs 25.1 from the debian repo, and download emacs 26 in flatpak, will the flatpak version interfere with my already existing emacs 25 config?
1700[22:17:50] <annadane> by which i mean dot files/folders
1709[22:19:29] <bites> you know you don't need to use netplan?
1710[22:19:31] <rydare> why can't you install netplan on ubuntu though?
1711[22:19:32] <n4dir> i sure have seen apps which have an option to tell which config file to use.
1712[22:19:58] <bites> netplan just generates configs for systemd-networkd or network-manager. you can install ifupdown if you want.
1713[22:20:16] <NapoleonWils0n> netplan is the default in ubuntu 18.04 for setting up networking and i really dont like it so was looking to switch
1714[22:20:31] <at0m> and pulseaudio supports network audio
1715[22:20:35] <NapoleonWils0n> absolute pain to create a bridged interface for qemu kvm
1716[22:20:46] <n4dir> man emacs or such should know
1717[22:21:01] <at0m> oh, sorry, misread "is like PA for networking"
1718[22:21:11] <NapoleonWils0n> i was saying that netplan is like pulseaudio in the sense that it isnt good in my opion
1719[22:21:29] <bites> so don't use it.
1720[22:21:30] <ticapix> from a uefi interactive shell with a usb dongle where I burn a debian netinstall iso, how can I find the correct command line to start the text installer ?
1721[22:21:59] <NapoleonWils0n> does debian still use standard if up and down or has it switched to netplan as well
1722[22:22:10] <bites> it has not
1723[22:22:22] <NapoleonWils0n> bites cheers mate thats really good to hear
1752[22:32:03] <petn-randall> systemd doesn't configure networks in Debian by default, it's either ifupdown or network-manager. You're of course free to use any tool you want to accomplish networking.
1753[22:32:12] <petn-randall> *systemd-networkd
1754[22:32:28] <NapoleonWils0n> i suppose the difference is with debian you add the stuff you need, with ubuntu you have to remove the stuff you dont
1755[22:32:43] <bites> no, it's already there. comes with the systemd package.
1756[22:32:55] <bites> just not enabled.
1757[22:32:58] <petn-randall> Sure, but not enabled by default.
1763[22:36:02] <foldy> petn-randall, (remember that xen discs issue) I allready solved that issue with xen room, If anybody had problem with it is about limiting sources of xen, need rising gnttab_max_frames=32 to higher value, bacause of structure havent get enough sources for that discs, procs and rams.
1830[23:30:23] <n4dir> firefox was upgraded these days, now i have lost sound for firefox (only; mocp works and i installed chromium to check which has sound too)
1841[23:43:15] <at0m> n4dir: not running stable, but did you install these from debian repository or as add-on? either way, is there newer versions of these addons that match the newer firefox? if not, probably wait a little and they will make it through
1842[23:43:26] <n4dir> NetTerminalGene: newly?
1843[23:43:48] <NetTerminalGene> i don't know which version it started
1872[23:52:45] <at0m> or learn pulseaudio, like we have to learn systemd. i remember pulseaudio when it just came out, it was way incomplete and i had no clue how it worked. bad combination.