109[01:50:34] <hemebond> Is this the appropriate place to ask an Apt question? I'm trying to install a package but it fails saying the dependency isn't going to be installed and I don't know how to tell it to install the dependencies.
110[01:52:13] <hemebond> It might have something to do with one dependency repo having a higher priority but with a version too old to meet the requirements.
123[02:04:16] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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135[02:19:39] <bitess> hemebond: when installing from jessie-backports you have to pass the -t jessie-backports argument to temporarily raise the priority.
174[03:02:47] <mpo> What do I do, if I have opened a bug but want to add further information after the bug was acknowledged? Is that what the bug mail address is for? Do I send further info there?
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390[08:29:25] <Joral> I have a computer with a radeon x1300 connected to my monitor and a nv760ti that I am attempting to use for opencl support. I currently have debian 9.5 running. after installing the nvidia driver it no longer boots to gui. tty7 is just a blank screen with a cursor in the upper left. any idea what I did wrong or how to fix it?
391[08:30:51] <rhizome_> ah ha, my card isn't supported by 390
430[09:29:14] <nezos> I have a pdf that doesn't have embedded fonts (Helvetica) and it displays on screen correctly. When I print it I get garbage characters. Any idea what to do? I tried printing from command line lp myfile.pdf and again garbage
431[09:29:28] <nezos> I can print it on windows correctly
442[09:39:04] <nezos> canon's official driver doesn't work, so I am using the generic drivers, they print correctly all other documents but this one only garbage
452[09:45:00] <nezos> I don't have Helvetica installed, you need to buy it to install it
453[09:45:49] <nezos> ok I did another test, I printed to PDF (cups printer) and then I printed the resulting PDF and it worked, CUPS substituted the Helvetica with a blank font Type-3
454[09:46:25] <Something1> Liberation-sans is metric compatible I think, you could alias it?
461[09:54:35] <Something1> I am not too well versed with fonts and printing and all that. I think you do `~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf` and have replaced-url
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463[09:57:15] <nezos> I don't have a fontconfig folder under .config but fonts.conf is in etc and it says not to change it:P
465[09:58:02] <Something1> You can create it! mkdir -p ~/.config/fontconfig
466[09:59:19] <nezos> ok thanks Something1 I will try your suggestion as well, now I have to wait for 2-3 hours cause I overwrote the problematic file and I need to wait for the system to generate a new one:P
485[10:19:10] <dionysus69> so I have an HDMI cable connected to the monitor and monitor has an audio out jack, but the audio isn't available, how do I troubleshoot that :S ?
492[10:29:56] <blackflow> dionysus69: are you using hdmi as device to output audio on? I mean, is it configured to be used as the active device by pulseaudio
493[10:30:21] <dionysus69> ohh
494[10:30:43] <dionysus69> blackflow: I forgot even though I switch that daily on my laptop :D
500[10:32:43] <saulus> Hi, for systemd I have written /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service and experience that changes to that file are only recognized after a full reboot of the machine. How can I make systemd recognize changes without rebooting?
501[10:32:55] <blackflow> dionysus69: but is it listed, does PA see it as audio device? if not, then I suppose something something drivers.
520[10:44:46] <alibert414141> hello, i have a strange issue. i added lets encrypt certificates and ran dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates and now root see's a valid cert when using openssl s_client connect, but a regular user does not. i mean how the h.. can this be?
521[10:45:03] <alibert414141> (and how do i resolve this issue)
532[10:50:56] <saulus> Something1: I already do sudo systemctl restart vncserver@:1.service
533[10:51:22] <saulus> Something1: directly thereafter I call status and dont see the change
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535[10:51:50] <Something1> What about disable, enable, restart?
536[10:52:20] <saulus> also part of my command line
537[10:53:43] <saulus> This is my call, but it doesnt detect file changes until I reboot the machine: daemon-reload; disable vncserver@:1.service; daemon-reload; daemon-reexec; enable vncserver@:1.service; reenable vncserver@:1.service; restart vncserver@:1.service; status vncserver@:1.service
557[11:09:11] <blackflow> saulus: you wouldn't happen to have an override for the service under /etc/systemd/system/? I just noticed you said you wrote the template under /lib . Unless you're doing that through a package, I'd say it's really not recommended to write or change anything there, but use /etc
561[11:12:15] <dionysus69> blackflow: yes there's some output, about 4 lines, Its on different pc so I cant paste it here
562[11:13:41] <blackflow> dionysus69: so that's a start, meaning the hdmi snd driver is there. next check what alsa sees/does about that. this is the part I've never had to fiddle with hdmi, so I don't know what would be needed to enable if, if it requires enabling.
563[11:14:06] <dionysus69> ok thanks lots :) will try something :)
571[11:18:19] <blackflow> saulus: though I'm not sure there's that order necessary, perhaps you just need to _stop_ (as opposed to _restart_) it at some point after daemon-reload
579[11:27:02] <axgb> My computer won't boot. I updated linux (as in the kernel) recently, but I did not restart the laptop as it says to, but rather left it until the battery ran out. When I tried to start it earlier, various error messages appeared and it said that it went into emergency mode. What do I do?
619[11:42:09] <axgb> I have tried each of the options for booting debian and all give the error message as in that picture
620[11:45:32] <axgb> I've tried to boot a live USB boot repair program, but it says that it says it will only work if it is booted using efi boot, but I cannot get the bios to do efi boot
621[11:45:41] <axgb> I can't determine if the memory stick is faulty or something
643[11:56:48] <blackflow> dutchfish: if root partition was failing, wouldn't the other services also be affected? or are you referring to some partial corruption something? I'm more willing to bet taht the kernel update borked something wrt network drivers or config
645[11:57:40] <blackflow> if that failed network service is the reason for this anyway. Network target was reached tho'
646[11:58:14] <dutchfish> blackflow, could be, we have not enough info (yet) what really is happening. My best bet is, booting into recovery mode and work from there to diagnose.
647[11:58:40] <dutchfish> blackflow, the boot partition apperently is working
648[11:59:33] <blackflow> "root account is locked".... yeah... why do people do that...
649[11:59:47] <dutchfish> blackflow, mm... maybe intramfs update hosed something; that is more likely
650[11:59:56] <dutchfish> (on kernel update)
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658[12:02:40] <blackflow> I think the error would be different then. "root account is locked" is very specific to it being.... locked. like, ! instead of password in /etc/shadow
744[13:33:37] <luckywho> alsa-lib_1.1.6-1.debian.tar.xz? how to install
745[13:33:38] <alibert414141> blackflow: "added lets encrypt" = i downloaded and added their CA and intermediate and added them to my locally trusted CAs
771[13:50:16] <deadrom> can linux in general and deb9 in particular handly displayport splitters? not repeat-same-picture-on-2nd-monitor but Mulitple Stream Transport splitters that give 2 independent monitors over one host output?
772[13:50:24] <deadrom> *handle
773[13:51:14] <dina16> maybe , it's say pulseaudio 12 have bug, i don't have any issue with it :)
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775[13:52:16] <blackflow> dina16: one month is not enough to build the full picture of its stability. not trying to discourage you, just lower your expectations and be prepared ;)
780[13:53:50] <blackflow> dina16: actually, I think OFTC is the place for debian-next
781[13:53:52] <petn-randall> !debian-next
782[13:53:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
783[13:53:59] <blackflow> yeah, that.
784[13:54:03] <petn-randall> dina16: This is the testing/sid support channel. ^^^
785[13:54:20] <petn-randall> In case you hit any bugs you'll get help a lot quicker over there.
815[14:10:55] <dionysus69> ok so I fixed the resolution of the display by upgrading to the backports kernel, I have intel i7-8700 and the graphics is laggy
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848[14:30:29] <deadrom> inch: ah, in case you want to know: the required feature is called "Multi Stream Transport" or MST and is a DP 1.2 feature which the host driver has to support. so good to know nvidia have it in their binary blob
857[14:35:01] <axgb> I updated linux (kernel), but failed to restart as directed, rather leaving the laptop till the laptop ran out of battery and turned off, and I think this may be the cause of the issue
871[14:38:55] <awal1> when grub prompt select second entry advanced options is called if not wrong and there boot with old linux
872[14:38:56] <oiaohm> axgb: I have fix by grub-install on different machines a lot.
873[14:39:00] <sZbcE8qNfG> for a simple NAS server, is software raid good enough?
874[14:39:06] <axgb> I'm trying to use a program called "boot repair", but I can't make it work
875[14:39:19] <greycat> I'm wondering what "doesn't boot" actually means, and what options exist in his "Advanced options for Debian" GRUB menu, and which ones he tried.
876[14:39:19] <awal1> !repair grub
877[14:39:49] <axgb> If I go into advanced options for debian, it has two options: standard and safe mode
879[14:40:01] <axgb> I think it was safe mode, but whatever it is, it does not boot
880[14:40:28] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Probably, though it depends on your requirements.
881[14:40:55] <awal1> !fixmbr
882[14:40:55] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
883[14:41:01] <sZbcE8qNfG> i currently use a synology...it's perfect does everything and more. Goes above and beyond
886[14:41:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> thinking about replacing with a Debian NAS server......but that's going to require a lot of work
887[14:41:52] <awal1> dpkg: tell axgb about fixmbr
888[14:41:55] <axgb> Will those instructions work with this boot repair startup disk? Or do I need to make a specifically debian one
889[14:42:22] <awal1> excuses
890[14:42:32] <awal1> not the topic i wanted
891[14:42:33] <greycat> axgb: those instructions assume a specific problem, but as far as I know, you never actually stated WHICH problem you have.
892[14:42:34] <oiaohm> axgb: those are debian install disc instructions the network install disc version of debian will work with those instructions.
893[14:43:07] <greycat> axgb: what does "doesn't boot" mean? What actually happens? What do you see?
894[14:43:36] <greycat> Clearly you see the GRUB menu, so at least we know that GRUB is installed and is executed by your firmware/BIOS.
895[14:43:41] <axgb> GRUB appears; the option for windows works, which is how I can chat here, but if I pick the option for debian I get this:
896[14:43:46] <oiaohm> axgb: from the debian chroot with network up in rescue moe to run apt upgrade and other apt commands to dig you out hole if there has been some package install failure.
900[14:45:00] <greycat> OK, so it *does* boot, but it fails to start the network interfaces, and then it wants to go to a single-user-mode console, but it can't do so because there's no root account password, because you did the "I'll leave the password blank and survive on sudo" thing.
901[14:45:19] <axgb> Yes
902[14:45:50] <greycat> I think ... what I would do is boot with "init=/bin/sh" and all the remounting-read-write and so on, then set a root password.
903[14:45:55] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
904[14:45:55] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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912[14:47:35] <axgb> So I use those commands to enable root account, then I run update-grub
913[14:48:00] <oiaohm> The reason why I go to the network install disc with debian with this problems is you don't need to know the root password that way.
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920[14:49:40] <axgb> Why would it refuse to go any further if it fails to start the network hardware?
921[14:50:14] <greycat> I do not know. It wants you to run "systemctl status networking.service" to find out.
922[14:51:27] <axgb> OK; I just assumed that since I had updated linux kernel and then not properly turned off the computer that doing as such must have caused it
939[14:59:25] <Brigo> axgb, i can't read in that image, What have just failed?
940[14:59:26] <greycat> My eyes aren't good enough to read all of that, but it looks like "failed to start file system something on /dev/disk/something"
947[15:01:08] <Brigo> axgb, maybe you need to fsck that.
948[15:01:21] <greycat> So, *not* a grub problem. The file system that it wants to mount on /home (?) is not mountable, either because the device is no longer responding, or the file system needs to be checked manually, etc.
957[15:04:22] <axgb> So it is from unclean shutdown, but not necessarily relating to having updated kernel at the same time?
958[15:04:31] <greycat> that's my current hypothesis, yeah
959[15:04:55] <greycat> the kernel *appears* to be booting
960[15:05:26] <axgb> This is a new computer I am using: the old one had a terrible battery so it would just run out of battery and shut down all the time and nothing ever happened?
961[15:05:46] <greycat> dumb luck?
962[15:06:04] <axgb> It had a faulty power connector, so it would be randomly shut absolutely all the time
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965[15:07:12] <axgb> What happens once I have done fsck
966[15:07:48] <greycat> !ifrp
967[15:07:49] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
968[15:07:56] <greycat> Proceed with steps 5 and 6.
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987[15:18:30] <kbob> hello, after a system crash (unplug power cord by mistake) I can't type as usual, it's slow and I can't type some letters. The keyboard is working properly in this PC: what can be the prob?
1010[15:31:19] <dionysus69> I tried this i915.alpha_support=1 and didn't help. I still have a problem with intel i7-8700, I have kernel from backports 4.17 version which it says everywhere online that it supports coffee lake, so why isnt my pc recognizing the video accelerator then?
1012[15:34:10] <jelly> dionysus69: full support probably requires upgrades on all the components in the X stack, not just the kernel. So you'd probably need newer X server, newer libdrm, newer Mesa (OpenGL)
1023[15:35:47] <jelly> dionysus69: you can TRY and see if merely upgradeing mesa, and installing intel gpu firmware from stretch-backports as well, makes things better
1024[15:35:51] <dionysus69> I could handle debian-testing branch as I have before but I will have extra headaches
1025[15:36:13] <dionysus69> ok thanks so those two packages that you listed?
1026[15:36:25] <dionysus69> or do you mean xserver-xorg-video-intel
1027[15:36:30] <kbob> blackflow: there is nothing in the logs, luckily I have done the backup few ours ago so reinstall is not a problem
1030[15:36:49] <jelly> the libgl1 one is mesa, you sohuld not be using xserver-xorg-video-intel, and I don't know what the intel gpu firmware package is called
1031[15:37:01] <blackflow> kbob: don't assume reinstallation would fix this. I don't see any causality there software-wise. only hardware-wise
1037[15:37:41] <blackflow> kbob: the only software related thing I could think of is probably unlikely in your case, eg. system being extra sluggish because something something btrfs raid broke and is now resilvering, stuff like that.
1038[15:38:13] <jelly> yeah. that firmware-* thing needs to match the kernel you're running, so if the kernel is from stretch-backports, this and any other firmware will also need to be that new
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1084[16:01:57] <jelly> dionysus69: my rule of thumb is: for Debian, either get previous gen hw (never the latest), or hw that has been at least 12 months in the market
1085[16:02:27] <greycat> this is also good advice for budget reasons
1114[16:09:33] <dionysus70> jelly: it says it is already the latest veersion
1115[16:09:44] <dionysus70> that package got upgraded I guess when I was upgrading others
1116[16:09:53] <jelly> I _think_ mesa pulls it in automatically but maybe not. Since there's no backport of X server, if that does not make a difference you're out of luck and have to go buster
1171[16:55:02] <dka> I am looking for a Debian Stretch tutorial to configure my UNIX hosts to authenticate against LDAP. Would be appreciated if we could also pull group from the LDAP.
1193[17:13:53] <Akuw> after light go off my debian server can't boot properly, i got this when use fdisk -l "Partition does not start on physical start boundary after shutdown"
1197[17:21:00] <jelly> dka: setting up a ldap server for the first time is not 5hours, just reading and understanding I'd say would take 1-3 weeks worth, probably setting it up once, figuring you chose the wrong schema or wrong UI, and redoing everything anew
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1214[17:25:30] <jelly> wr: quit hexchat, make sure there are no leftover hexchat processes anywhere (kill them if needed, and reverify), start again and see what happens
1215[17:25:46] <jelly> wr: do the contents of that file look like normal text?
1216[17:25:58] <wr> jelly, my doubt is... if i reboot, what makes file get empty?
1226[17:29:38] <wr> jelly, now i have many more because restored it like 783
1227[17:30:02] <jelly> oh, you could have mentioned that
1228[17:30:11] <wr> jelly, i have two more machines with it and does not happen too, now does this, cant get why
1229[17:31:29] <jelly> wr: is this reproducible, does it always happen on a reboot? Might be a slight fs corruption, might be a disk full situation, it's hard to say if you can't show actual symptoms.
1235[17:34:55] <wr> jelly, i dont reboot that often debian as you can imagine uptimes are high but last time i did it got erased again, i would have to do a backup on file and restart to see if does by third time
1236[17:35:24] <jelly> ask again next time it happens and try not to destroy evidence
1237[17:36:09] <jelly> could be any number of things, I don't want to guess wildly
1238[17:36:44] <wr> jelly, i can just reboot and see if happens again
1239[17:37:17] <jelly> yes, that might provide an answer to "is this reproducible"
1243[17:40:11] <Akuw> after light go off my debian server can't boot properly, i got this when use fdisk -l "Partition does not start on physical start boundary after shutdown"
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1250[17:51:33] <jelly> it is probably not relevant to machine failing to boot, at all
1251[17:51:50] <jelly> !ask
1252[17:51:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1273[17:59:31] <jelly> Akuw: then, reboot, remove "quiet" option from the kernel boot parameters, tell us what it shows and where the boot process seems to hand
1274[17:59:31] <gedia> hello all. is there any way to determine the association between traditional and persistent device names for disk other than looking for symlinks under /dev/disk/by-id for example?
1275[17:59:37] <jelly> to hang*
1276[17:59:38] <obiwahn> jelly via login?
1277[17:59:39] <wr> jelly, this time didnt happen
1278[17:59:44] <Akuw> After press Control-D
1279[17:59:58] <Akuw> there is shell promt
1280[17:59:59] <obiwahn> /usr/lib/systemd/user-environment-generators/30-systemd-environment-d-generator is compiled
1290[18:00:58] <greycat> obiwahn: what part of the output of jelly's command did you not understand? what did your own testing reveal, when you tried it?
1322[18:04:08] <greycat> obiwahn: some of the DEs fuck with the locale environment settings when you login, so it's important to rule that out.
1323[18:04:15] <greycat> GNOME fucks with EVERYTHING.
1324[18:04:40] <jelly> in a bad way, not a pleasurable way
1325[18:04:44] <greycat> Yeah.
1326[18:04:52] <jelly> gnome is not a slut
1327[18:04:54] <rant> I did like picpaste but it is no more.. and imgur is the only other one I know of that doesnt require a registration to use.. flikr works.. has android apps and such but afaik it requires a yahoo account
1328[18:05:07] <obiwahn> gnome and kde do far too much magic i relly just need a few windows :)
1329[18:05:16] <jelly> obiwahn: how do you start X?
1342[18:07:11] <obiwahn> hum with startx i get the LC_TIME value
1343[18:07:21] <rant> wr: yes.. both are replaced now
1344[18:07:29] <obiwahn> that was a good hint!!! ill inspect my lightdm!!!
1345[18:07:46] <greycat> obiwahn: because this time, you logged in on the Linux virtual console using login(1), and login has a PAM config file that tells it to read the horrible stupid useless broken /etc/default/locale file.
1349[18:08:27] <jelly> Akuw: is this with or without "quiet"? Can you show what's on screen BEFORE typing anything, including Control-D?
1350[18:08:34] <greycat> Using /etc/default/locale is BAD, because it overrides the locale variables that you set in your ssh client that you want to be propagated into your ssh session on the Debian machine.
1351[18:08:38] <obiwahn> greycat: you do not like /etc/default
1352[18:08:51] <jelly> greycat: it's neither horrible nor useless. Just a bit redundant
1353[18:08:52] <obiwahn> or you think it is horrible to have different locales?
1354[18:08:57] <greycat> I do not like "dpkg-reconfigure locales" setting a "default" that isn't a default but a hard override.
1355[18:09:08] <greycat> I think it's AWESOME to have user-configurable locales!
1359[18:09:30] <jelly> greycat: it's a global default that is applied at the only sane point where it can be applied
1360[18:09:35] <obiwahn> but a sane preset is good
1361[18:09:44] <greycat> jelly: except it's broken and wrong.
1362[18:09:45] <jelly> unless you want systemd-specific solution
1363[18:09:51] <wr> !dpkg debian
1364[18:09:51] <dpkg> i heard debian is replaced-url
1365[18:10:03] <obiwahn> egnlish manpages are the only sane option but time or papersize etc
1366[18:10:21] <jelly> greycat: how is it "wrong"
1367[18:10:31] <greycat> If you ssh into a Debian server from an HP-UX box with a *.iso88591 locale, and the Debian server has LANG=en_US.utf8 or whatever in /etc/default/locale, it will OVERRIDE what ssh sends, and then you will be in the wrong encoding.
1369[18:11:07] <greycat> The only way to get it to work is to REMOVE the setting from /etc/default/locale and put something CONDITIONAL in the /etc/profile and whatever the *csh equivalent is, and let DM logins go fuck themselves.
1370[18:11:21] <themill> err, no? the encoding asked for by ssh is honoured.
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1373[18:11:43] <themill> That's actually a common failure when people ssh in from a mac and Debian doesn't have the same locale names
1374[18:12:40] <inquisitiv3> I'm trying to expand a partition (contains everything) in a VM running Sid. The disk has MBR and is just partitions with FS (no LVM or encryption). The FS is EXT4. According to resize2fs' manpage I should expand the partition with fdisk or a similar program before expanding the FS. I've done this before, but with a disk running LVM. But I can't find out how to extend the partition without first deleting it. Is there a way to do that?
1375[18:12:45] <jelly> greycat: that's just broken, how is it wrong?
1376[18:13:56] <obiwahn> inquisitiv3: partition and fs are different things
1377[18:14:04] <Wulf> inquisitiv3: it's okay to delete the partition and recreate it with bigger size
1378[18:14:15] <Wulf> inquisitiv3: but make sure it starts at the same position as before
1379[18:14:18] <obiwahn> you need the expand the partition and then you will be able to grow the filesystem
1380[18:14:33] <obiwahn> if it is too complicated use gparted
1382[18:14:34] <greycat> jelly: All I can tell you right now, as I head out to find food, is that after removing the crap from /etc/environment and from /etc/default/locale and putting conditional ${LANG:=...} in /etc/profile, my shit all worked correctly.
1391[18:16:14] <inquisitiv3> Wulf: So I've to boot a live system in the VM and do it? No expansion without unmounting and deleting the current root partition?
1407[18:20:35] <rant> wr: yes file.io seems decent but the firefox one, like many google projects doesnt seem like its more than someones pet project that will probably disappear like google wave :P
1408[18:20:52] <inquisitiv3> Wulf: So I should just delete it and create a new partition?
1414[18:22:55] <jelly> LANG=C surely exists, even if locale.gen is for some reason out of sync. Let me check if I've messed up my client ssh_config maybe
1415[18:23:36] <jelly> oh, I did -_-
1416[18:24:58] <themill> jelly: LANG gets walloped by pam, apparently. Everything else makes it through
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1421[18:26:13] <inquisitiv3> Does fdisk list partition's sizes or fs' sizes?
1422[18:26:34] <themill> and that pam config was added because other people were complaining that ssh sessions didn't use /etc/default/locale (i.e. the poor maintainer can't win)
1423[18:29:59] <jelly> nope, I can't LC_CTYPE either
1439[18:38:20] <inquisitiv3> What partitions does Debian create by default on a BIOS system? I did as Wulf suggested and only deleted my root part., but when I create it again to takes the same amount of space. I guess it's because another partition comes after that and lastly the swap partition. The confusing thing is that `lsblk` and fdisk report different sizes of the middle part. According to lsblk it's 1K, but according to fdisk it's 4G. But if I summarize
1440[18:38:20] <inquisitiv3> the sizes reported by fdisk it doesn't make sense.
1452[18:44:46] <inquisitiv3> jhutchins_wk: Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find the information I'm looking for... Do you happen to know what section explains the partitions that's is created automatically when you use the guided partitioning on a BIOS system?
1453[18:47:14] <rant> is there a way for me to logout and keep the wifi connected with n-m or do I need to just install a lock program?
1454[18:48:00] <greycat> I don't know anything about n-m but I would definitely advise installing a session locking program.
1455[18:48:09] <rant> I just dont really wanna bother with another program especially if I'm not sure if it'll work right with fingerprint auth, when I know lightdm works.. but loggin out kills my wifi when I got stuff running in screen
1456[18:49:03] <rant> cause honestly I'm not even sure what my passwd is :P I know the rootfs password and I use fingerprint for user identity..
1469[18:53:00] <judd> Package debian-archive-keyring (misc, important) in buster/amd64: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive. Version: 2017.7; Size: 55.6k; Installed: 114k
1470[18:53:30] <rant> hmm I could swear testing/unstable keys were in the stable package but I dont see them on my system.. just stretch, jessie, wheezy
1478[18:56:14] <rant> but the package is simpler imho
1479[18:56:37] <ExoUNX> yah I just did dpkg -i keyring.deb
1480[18:57:01] <rant> o.O
1481[18:57:15] <jelly> ExoUNX: however, don't mix repos for different releases (or distros) unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing and what the consequences can be
1482[18:57:38] <rant> where/how did you get this keyring.deb? :P
1483[18:57:40] <ExoUNX> jelly, yah, I'm using the repo for one package
1505[19:03:02] <nodiscc> dpkg bot used to have a one-line answer on how to backport a sid package, where is it?
1506[19:03:03] <dpkg> nodiscc: I think you lost me on that one
1507[19:03:08] <rant> !ssb
1508[19:03:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1523[19:08:05] <EdePopede> what happened to the pa mixer between the versions? seems i can't change volume on one channel anymore or main volume without the values in the other tab also changing. is there a hidden setting or something?
1524[19:08:36] <rant> hmm well that works.. actually I havent found anything that doesnt work with this fingerprint yet but I swear some things work better than others.. I put a 2nd print in there and like synaptic only seems to work with my pinky where lightdm works better with my index it seems.. I gotta be imagining that crap.. its all the same backend :P
1525[19:08:44] <jelly> EdePopede: do you mean pavucontrol or some other thing?
1526[19:09:22] <EdePopede> jelly: right, it is pavucontrol
1528[19:09:51] <petn-randall> Hmm, I've got rhythmbox stuck in the "D" state, I can't even kill -9 it. I didn't even know that was possible with rhythmbox.
1529[19:10:53] <jelly> EdePopede: there's a lock button right of every Playback stream and every Output Device
1530[19:11:13] <jelly> petn-randall: it's not poor rhythmbox, it's the kernel's fault
1531[19:11:25] <petn-randall> Apparently it's due to an Android phone connected via USB, even though I never told it to access it. *sigh*
1532[19:12:07] <jelly> your DE might have tried to mount it automagically, it MIGHT HAVE SONGS
1533[19:12:16] <sZbcE8qNfG> anyone know of a dual ethernet low powered x86 x64 machine?
1534[19:12:19] <at0m> ringsong
1535[19:12:44] <greycat> I picture random applications chatting up the sexy little number that just dropped in. "Heeey there, babe."
1536[19:12:45] <jelly> petn-randall: if it's a fuse-based mount as it oft happens, find the backend process and kill it, that releases IO
1537[19:12:48] <sZbcE8qNfG> trying to replace my custom router that has 2 USB ethernet with a one that has 2 nics built in
1539[19:13:48] <EdePopede> jelly: this only splits both channels from each other. dragged mail left down, player left went down too. that's one of the things, input channel can't be louder than main volume. dragging the channel up again also changed the one on the player. they are now at 80% and 51% (mouse wheel changes in 5% steps)
1540[19:13:49] <jelly> petn-randall: with a stuck sshfs, -9 is required
1541[19:15:19] <jelly> EdePopede: honestly I never figured out why/how changing the output device volume affects app stream or not
1542[19:15:25] <petn-randall> jelly: There's no fuse to be done, it's just plugged in to charge. I haven't enabled any file transfer on the phone. I got it fixed but I'm still wondering how it can blow up like that.
1543[19:15:36] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG: not really a debian question replaced-url
1546[19:16:04] <sZbcE8qNfG> i can't believe people trust ebay for computing devices...the firmware could be installed by the CIA
1547[19:16:07] <EdePopede> jelly: this is new behaviour in erm... debian 9... stretch? twitch? *g*
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1549[19:16:21] <at0m> sZbcE8qNfG: then why not go for a dedi router? it's taken me some time, but find a nice cheap one that nearly runs debian, and replaced-url
1566[19:20:32] <rant> they have complete systems for like $150
1567[19:20:33] <EdePopede> jelly: maybe you have an idea for an alternative? on wheezy i installed it when skype (don't ask...) stopped supporting alsa. looks more flexible when it comes do combining channels, but the interface is (and was then) horrible and now this one.
1568[19:20:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> no way, I will never trust any junk sold on ali express
1572[19:21:35] <EdePopede> i'm not even sure if the changes happen on the card, in the driver or whereever or if the application behaves like this now (what i think it does, since it was behaving at least under this aspect in the past)
1579[19:24:29] <rant> if you just go to one of these damn sites, look this up, theyll suggest similar things like the sophos, zygel, etc.. and then you can search for one you like and buy it from whomever you trust
1580[19:24:49] <rant> thats just the cheapest, lowest power one I know of
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1593[19:28:42] <EdePopede> even the interface elements jump around, something has a long name, BANG it suddenly needs half of the screen width (whereas i keep it on the right border). and when i changed volumes by dragging, not mouse wheel, and then the numbers changing numbers of digit (like around 100% or -10dB), the width of the controller changes. and there seem to be no text mode alternative :/
1597[19:29:11] <context> so i have an already existing debian install, whats the easiest package to install to have gnome (and be able to remove it if i dont want it)
1598[19:29:28] <greycat> !install gnome
1599[19:29:28] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
1602[19:29:44] <context> im having a hard time getting X with DPI working nicely between my two monitors so i want to see if gnome can set things nicely that i can steal settings from
1604[19:30:10] <Iarfen> when installing Debian under Windows 10 it can after some time get uninstalled without doing any kind of partition that after the uninstalling can't be changed again? I'm trying to avoid to have to install Windows 10 again
1605[19:30:33] <context> also are there any known / useful WM / setup instructions for wayland? maybe ill give that a go too :x
1606[19:30:43] <petn-randall> Iarfen: I cannot parse your sentence.
1612[19:32:22] <Iarfen> jelly: no, well, installing it in some way that I can execute it outside Windows 10, alone :D
1613[19:32:30] <Iarfen> it's mandatory to do a partition for that purpose?
1614[19:32:39] <jelly> Iarfen: you can use a separate disk
1615[19:32:44] <johnfg> however, the debian system is *not* seen in the network and sharing center. All seems right on the windows side. Is there something that has to be set or turned on in debian?
1616[19:32:51] <Iarfen> jelly: another physical hdd you say?
1617[19:33:01] <jelly> Iarfen: or ssd, sure
1618[19:33:03] <petn-randall> Iarfen: Do you want to dual-boot Windows 10 and Debian? Is that your question?
1619[19:33:11] <Iarfen> petn-randall: yes
1620[19:33:55] <rant> Iarfen: you could even run it from a thumbdrive.. I've installed to a 32GB thumbdrive before so I could use it anywhere
1621[19:34:03] <jelly> Iarfen: it is possible to install a linux like debian side by side with windows, and choose whether windows loader or grub boots from uefi
1622[19:34:16] <petn-randall> Iarfen: Debian does not touch anything that could make Windows 10 unbootable. It's usually the other way around if you have a legacy BIOS. Windows for some reason sometimes overwrites the bootloader. UEFI eliminates this issue.
1623[19:34:35] <jelly> that's aobut the only thing UEFI does better
1638[19:44:43] <inquisitiv3> Thanks for earlier Wulf! You helped me out :)
1639[19:46:12] <inquisitiv3> Is there a way to automatically generate a new fstab based on the currently mounted filesystems? Or do I need to manually edit /etc/fstab?
1640[19:47:14] <inquisitiv3> Every thread I find talks about editing the file, but I don't know if it's because it didn't work earlier/people being overly nostalgic.
1641[19:47:48] <greycat> Usually one edits the file FIRST, then does "mount /foobar" to make sure it works, then reboots to perform the ultimate test.
1685[20:03:18] <inquisitiv3> I remember seeing a talk by one of the X.org devs saying that there's bug reports that opened in the 80's (I think) that hasn't been solvable because of its architecture.
1686[20:03:36] <Tramtrist> :(
1687[20:03:59] <jelly> greycat: apparently it's a system where not every app can spy on your keyboard and mouse and events and windows of any other app.
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1689[20:05:15] <greycat> Fair enough, and I did read about that, and the fact that this means you can't copy/paste stuff between applications in wayland.
1690[20:05:28] <greycat> Unless they came up with some workaround-hack for that.
1691[20:05:34] <context> what ?
1692[20:05:44] <context> im copy/pasting just fine
1693[20:05:54] <greycat> OK, then the outdated stuff I had been reading is outdated.
1694[20:06:05] <greycat> I wonder how they hacked that in.
1695[20:06:48] <context> hacked?
1696[20:07:06] <context> copy/paste has nothing to do with what jelly said
1697[20:07:28] <context> you can share a clipboard. but every app being able to read your keyboard/mouse events at all times is.... scary
1705[20:11:44] <ticapix> I want to install Debian on a small pc (a bee-link X55). I managed to burn and install ubuntu server, centos7. but for debian, it just freeze on the blank screen with just a non-blinking white cursor.
1736[20:23:06] <blackflow> Sep 07 20:14:05 debian systemd[1]: apache2.service: Failed to run 'start' task: No such file or directory
1737[20:23:24] <blackflow> is your config correct? iirc apachectl -t should test it
1738[20:23:37] <SPF> yes, but I don't know what it means. Missing a file named 'start' ?
1739[20:24:10] <blackflow> no, some file accessed durign the start task. I'm guessing, apache is not sysv init script still, right? it's a proper systemd unit?
1740[20:24:31] <greycat> last time I checked, apache2 on debian still has an init.d script only
1741[20:24:43] <blackflow> ugh....
1742[20:25:10] <SPF> greycat: yes I read that as well, I also found some request for systemd scripts
1756[20:27:21] <SPF> blackflow: only one warning -> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
1757[20:27:40] <FXpro> also, if I have custom coded files I want to copy into my app, it will not copy over. is there a work around?
1827[20:46:55] <greycat> I saw that part, but didn't trace it any further.
1828[20:47:07] <Scriptonaut> does anyone know how to make ssh-agent not expire/timeout? It seems to timeout by default after a few hours
1829[20:47:19] <blackflow> I swear these systemd service files in debian are borderline moronic. circular deps, nginx using start-stop-daemon, uwsgi is a mess.... who is writing those things....
1830[20:47:28] <greycat> Scriptonaut: that has not been my experience
1831[20:47:31] <SPF> blackflow: it only says AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
1833[20:47:55] <blackflow> SPF: but is it started? ps axu | grep apache shows stuff?
1834[20:48:29] <SPF> blackflow: oh yes, it's started now
1835[20:48:37] <Scriptonaut> greycat: I don't know why it's doing it. I run ssh-agent, and then ssh-add, and a few hours later when I try to push to a git repo or something it will give me access denied (publickey). Then I run ssh-add again and it works
1836[20:48:42] <greycat> Scriptonaut: ssh-agent(1) says "-t life ... Without this option the default maximum lifetime is forever."
1837[20:48:48] <blackflow> SPF: right, so there seems to be a problem with the systemd service, either the unit file or something else
1838[20:49:03] <Scriptonaut> ya I was just reading that it defaults to forever, something on my machine must be changing the default
1839[20:49:20] <greycat> Scriptonaut: also points to a config setting in sshd_config but doesn't give the name of it
1840[20:49:27] <Scriptonaut> ah ok, I'll check that out
1843[20:49:56] <blackflow> SPF: in a bare stretch VM, default install, apache starts fine fwiw. So it must be something about your config there, but I'm guessing not apache config, something else.
1844[20:50:37] <greycat> I keep thinking it's not config, but some sort of missing/corrupted file (e.g. when I asked about /usr/sbin/apache2 existing)
1845[20:50:41] <SPF> blackflow: is it something you can strace?
1865[20:56:22] <greycat> oh, if you haven't actually started apache2 *successfully* since upgrading jessie->stretch then it could indeed be a config issue
1866[20:56:44] <SPF> after upgrade after reboot, apache2 was working normally
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1868[20:57:10] <SPF> but I do update the apache2 config from time to time
1869[20:57:10] <greycat> So... you upgraded, rebooted, it was working, then you rebooted a second time, and now it's not?
1870[20:57:17] <SPF> greycat: exactly
1871[20:57:21] <blackflow> I don't think the problem is in apache, but sure, you could try purge and reinstall.
1891[21:03:19] <jelly> so all the threads (or processes, depending on mpm used) got stuck and did not close the tcp connection properly, and the parent got to the limit and did not create more
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1906[21:06:21] <blackflow> SPF: any hints in dmesg or journal from previous boot, about disk or I/O issues? grep -i "blocked for more than 120" in /var/log/messages*
1907[21:06:24] <jelly> I'd suggest using /var/log/mail.log, and disabling .warn .err and .info, but that's not the cause
1908[21:07:13] <C00kie> Ok, could you tell me how to change all to mail.log?
1955[21:19:57] <jelly> something changed it to /var/log/maillog, that's not default on Debian. So you can change it, but you might have something else on your system expecting the non-default path.
1956[21:20:03] <C00kie> I've chaged it in the rsyslog.conf to /var/log/mail.log
1972[21:24:40] <blackflow> SPF: sorry then, not sure what else to check. you could try (re)starting the service again, and pastebin full journal, last, say, 50 entries.
1983[21:28:41] <jelly> C00kie: and output of "fail2ban-client status" for sanity
1984[21:29:03] <C00kie> Status |- Number of jail: 3 `- Jail list: postfix, sasl, ssh
1985[21:30:20] <SPF> blackflow: there's nothing written to journal matching *apache* while apache2 was started using workaround
1986[21:30:49] <jelly> C00kie: so the right one is called [sasl] on jessie as well. You can disable the [postfix] one and let's see why the right one does not work
1987[21:30:58] <C00kie> k
1988[21:31:28] <blackflow> SPF: can you pastebin the entire journal, no matches, no filters? last say 50 entries with -n 50
1989[21:31:45] <blackflow> SPF: in particular I'm curious if anything else is logged before that "file not found"
1990[21:31:49] <SPF> blackflow: it's much bigger than that
1991[21:32:02] <C00kie> Status |- Number of jail: 2 `- Jail list: sasl, ssh
1992[21:32:13] <jelly> okay
1993[21:32:28] <jelly> C00kie: care to paste some grep 'SASL LOGIN authentication failed:' /var/log/maiol
1994[21:32:31] <jelly> argh.
1995[21:32:33] <SPF> -n 1000 will capture all lines since apache2 manual start
1996[21:32:38] <jelly> C00kie: care to paste some grep 'SASL LOGIN authentication failed:' /var/log/mail.log
1997[21:33:01] <blackflow> SPF: I don't care about that, only about logs created between you hit <enter> and that error messge came out
1998[21:33:06] <blackflow> if there are any
1999[21:33:18] <jelly> or even grep 'SASL .* authentication failed:' /var/log/mail.log
2003[21:36:57] <jelly> C00kie: well that looks about the same as mine
2004[21:37:12] <jelly> same IP addresses even
2005[21:37:20] <blackflow> SPF: first of all, move that ssh to a nonstandard port asap and disable password authentication completely. second, yeah there's nothing else there relevant. I'm sorry I have no idea what could be wrong. I don't think it's apache. third..... that _is_ a public server, so consider not running one until you're familiar with all the important parts of it.
2006[21:37:26] <C00kie> lol
2007[21:37:57] <jelly> C00kie: what does "uname -a" say, is this a physical system, a VM or a physical machine?
2008[21:38:15] <C00kie> its a (v)root from netcup.de
2027[21:42:10] <C00kie> after changing all to mail.log an deactivating postfix it seems to wirk now
2028[21:42:13] <blackflow> a waste of icmp :)
2029[21:42:24] <C00kie> *work
2030[21:42:59] <C00kie> -A fail2ban-sasl -s 181.214.206.84/32 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable -A fail2ban-sasl -s 181.214.206.87/32 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
2031[21:43:08] <jelly> C00kie: yes, it looks like it works
2032[21:43:18] <C00kie> i don't know why but it works.
2033[21:43:23] <C00kie> Thanks a lot :-)
2034[21:43:31] <jelly> perhaps it reads the right log
2035[21:43:36] <SPF> blackflow: I do disable root ssh access, and use fail2ban with 24h ban. regarding the port, I visited many premises where port 22 was one of the few ports allowed
2042[21:44:17] <C00kie> Thank you very much for your help. :-)
2043[21:44:25] <C00kie> i ve sitting here 4 hours
2044[21:44:35] <C00kie> and the solution is so easy xD
2045[21:44:53] <C00kie> There logfiles drives me crazy
2046[21:45:00] <C00kie> *These
2047[21:45:22] <jelly> it would be better if you figured out what changed the path for mail.* log file in the first place
2048[21:45:59] <C00kie> I dont have to do this. I'll move to new hardware nex week xD
2049[21:46:21] <C00kie> then time for fresh install xD
2050[21:46:23] <jelly> maybe it's your provider's crazy template. Maybe you have some sort of weird control panel software that absolutely relies on redhattish maillog without a dot
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2157[23:38:24] <EdePopede> is there a newer live disc than 9.5 (files in /boot from the day after independence day)? just curious if they changed something around lockscreen and user password. just had to google it again...
2160[23:40:07] <Tenkawa> Anyone know much about the realtek rtsx_usb driver that likes to corrupt microsd cards ?
2161[23:41:01] <EdePopede> Akuw: depends on the problem. non working passwords -> change with root, non working root password -> login directly into root shell, damaged fs on the partition -> 2 of the tools from gr security helped me out on 2 different occasions (worked on the copy of an dd image of course)
2162[23:41:15] <Tenkawa> (contents... not the card itself of course)
2163[23:42:44] <Tenkawa> even mounting read only you cant read the data (on a fat/exfat/ntfs filesystem) although soon as you reboot it to win10 or use the card on another machine the data is still there
2164[23:43:30] <Tenkawa> if it gets mounted read write or fsck'ed then its hit/miss if it even survives at all