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12 [00:14:07] <foul_owl> Unfortunately, the feature I'm looking for is not easily searchable.
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15 [00:14:44] <foul_owl> That's why I asked here
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20 [00:20:18] <daviid> hello, i was wiling to talk to dbian-next
21 [00:20:39] <daviid> anyway, quick quiz
22 [00:20:55] <daviid> the following dd command systematically fails
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25 [00:21:21] <daviid> sudo dd if=firmware-buster-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M; sync
26 [00:21:32] <foul_owl> Ok, so copyq has the feature, but they don't call it "stick" they call it "pin"
27 [00:21:37] <foul_owl> Problem solved, thank you :)
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30 [00:23:22] <annadane> daviid, #debian-next is on the irc.oftc.net server
31 [00:23:38] <annadane> daviid, also, how does it fail?
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35 [00:24:19] <daviid> ah, actually i am in rescue mode here, had a problem yeterday, and trying to solve, running a lve ubuntu (from my neighbour)
36 [00:24:49] <daviid> so, no emacs, no config ... then I thought using replaced-url
37 [00:24:54] <daviid> here am I ?)
38 [00:25:03] <annadane> so you... can't boot in?
39 [00:25:21] <daviid> oh, and now I asked, tit did succeed!! it failed saying 1 byte was missing
40 [00:25:51] <annadane> generally, unless you want to test the installer, the best way to use testing is to upgrade from a minimal stable install, less potential problems that way
41 [00:25:54] <daviid> annadane: yes I can`t bot it anymore, but I see running ths live ubuntu the SSD is ok (it seems at least)
42 [00:26:28] <daviid> so I sepnd a few hours now makng back-up and installing this image on my stivk to try to revover
43 [00:27:36] <daviid> now, when I boot, no mre grub, and the screen start to flash, for ever
44 [00:27:46] <annadane> for... debian testing?
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46 [00:28:05] <daviid> annadane: yes, i run testing, in this cse buster
47 [00:28:29] <annadane> the proper channel for it is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, they might be able to help better
48 [00:28:49] <annadane> if you can get to that network, not sure how feasible it is, irssi irc client is a good way of doing it without a gui
49 [00:28:53] <daviid> yesterday, the laptop freezed, I had to hard push the switch on/off button, then it would not reboot anymore
50 [00:29:09] <daviid> the boot record is lost (I guess)
51 [00:29:43] <annadane> seems like a rather severe problem to have in testing, i never even had that much trouble with sid
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53 [00:30:41] <daviid> annadane: I don`t thnk I can chat using the web, but actually, rescue to install grub and a boot record should be `similar`
54 [00:30:57] <annadane> fair enough, may be able to get help here
55 [00:31:38] <annadane> !fixmbr
56 [00:31:39] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
57 [00:32:11] <daviid> tx, will try that
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60 [00:34:04] <calimero_82> hi
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67 [00:41:10] <daviid> annadane: ok, I wrote all these cmd on paper, now I will try to boot the buster image i flashed and first will try the rescue mode ...
68 [00:42:16] <daviid> if that does not work, i`ll reboot the ubuntu live image and try the cmds the bot pasted ...
69 [00:42:39] <daviid> tx
70 [00:42:48] <daviid> leaving now to reboot ..
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92 [01:04:45] <usney> how do you setup a network install?
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135 [02:07:09] <rydare> usney: you follow the steps
136 [02:07:30] <rydare> it's fairly straightforward, but might not be ideal for a new user
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138 [02:10:56] <sZbcE8qNfG> anyone use redshift?
139 [02:11:19] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'm wondering how redshift manages to fingure out the location (it uses geoclue package)
140 [02:11:22] <rydare> sZbcE8qNfG: i use gnome, which has a version of that
141 [02:11:31] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'm using a VPN
142 [02:11:42] <rydare> might use timezone information
143 [02:12:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> is there a way of finding out which type it uses?
144 [02:12:26] <sZbcE8qNfG> like is it going by ip address, timezone info etc
145 [02:12:42] <rydare> replaced-url
146 [02:13:16] <rydare> looks like unless you have gps on your computer it uses ip address
147 [02:14:38] <sZbcE8qNfG> so basically it's constantly "phoning" home
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152 [02:17:10] <jasabella> sZbcE8qNfG… yep redshify
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154 [02:19:20] <jasabella> sZbcE8qNfG… you can give redshift a location
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156 [02:20:34] <jasabella> -l
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160 [02:23:28] <spooky> does anyone know why my system screen is now always fuzzy. been trying to reboot, check connections etc and nothing is working
161 [02:24:24] <sZbcE8qNfG> wow looking at the geoclue config files....the developer of redshift shuld thinking about not using this garbage package
162 [02:24:32] <sZbcE8qNfG> # Submit data to Mozilla Location Service # If set to true, geoclue will automatically submit network data to Mozilla
163 [02:25:34] <usney> where is the guide rydare ?
164 [02:25:57] <usney> I've used network install at a volunteer computer repair place
165 [02:26:02] <usney> but never setup one myself
166 [02:26:08] <usney> was curious how they did it
167 [02:26:43] <usney> even the system tools they used I think were over the network like the duke and nuke wiping software
168 [02:27:07] <sZbcE8qNfG> seems Mozilla wants to get in the business of mass collecting data
169 [02:27:13] <sZbcE8qNfG> data broker
170 [02:28:17] <usney> really?
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186 [02:41:37] <rydare> usney: i'm not sure of where the guide would exist, i didn't need it when i used it
187 [02:42:17] <rydare> just downlaoded the netinstall image, flashed it to a USB drive, and installed from there
188 [02:42:24] <rydare> that was over ethernet so it was easy
189 [02:42:35] <rydare> if you have to use wifi you'll need the firmware
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191 [02:46:02] <usney> no that is not what I am talking about rydare
192 [02:46:15] <usney> I mean where you access software over the network
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194 [02:46:31] <rydare> linux from scratch?
195 [02:46:45] <rydare> gentoo stage 3 tarball?
196 [02:46:50] <usney> instead of your machine's usb or cd it is another machines cd usb..etc.
197 [02:46:54] <usney> over the network
198 [02:47:02] <rydare> oh
199 [02:47:04] <usney> you boot into pae network install
200 [02:47:17] <rydare> not familiar with that, i suppose you'd have to connect it to a computer serving it
201 [02:47:24] <rydare> why not just use USB?
202 [02:47:38] <usney> it is done this way so that multiple machines can use the same software I believe
203 [02:47:59] <usney> like if you wanted to mass install the same distro of linux
204 [02:48:07] <usney> on many computers at once
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206 [02:48:30] <usney> yea I probably use usb
207 [02:49:07] <usney> there is software called plop that let's you boot from bios that doesn't support usb booting
208 [02:49:29] <usney> so you burn that to cd or dvd and boot from that media and then select boot from usb
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212 [02:51:29] <daviid> annadane: back, i tried the usb image, it loads and shows the menu, i select `rescue mode...` but 3x in a raw itfailed,
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214 [02:52:23] <daviid> twice it tries and land in `panic` mode, the third time saying `unknown file system
215 [02:52:34] <annadane> well ok, do you want to use testing or are you just testing the installer in order to file bugs on it
216 [02:52:36] <daviid> now i am back in the ubuntu live image
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219 [02:52:58] <daviid> i am not sure what to do,
220 [02:53:20] <daviid> maybe I can try to reinstall the mbr manually using this lve image
221 [02:53:56] <daviid> i noted the commands but i m not sure what I should use when they say `/dev/what-ever`
222 [02:54:02] <rydare> yeah they have a program called boot repair
223 [02:54:18] <annadane> you find what the device is called via lsblk
224 [02:54:30] <daviid> right noe, the ubuntu image mounted the internal drive on /dev/sdb
225 [02:55:05] <rydare> here's the boot repair information, it's probably best to do it manually but this could be a quick fix replaced-url
226 [02:55:10] <annadane> generally the core system will be /dev/sda and whatever USBs you plug in are /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc and so on
227 [02:55:16] <daviid> i guess i have to ummount first
228 [02:55:35] <annadane> where the alphabetical letters depend on what gets plugged in first
229 [02:56:40] <daviid> right now, as i said, the internal SSD is munted (by this ubuntu live image) as /dev/sdb1, 2 and 3
230 [02:57:21] <sZbcE8qNfG> can everyone complain to the redshift dev to remove that astrocious garbage of a package dependency called geoclue
231 [02:57:22] <annadane> can you just repeat what you're trying to do for the benefit of the rest of the channel? it's been a while and maybe others would be able to help
232 [02:57:23] <daviid> sdb1 is the EFI System, 2 is the linux fs and 3 is the sawp
233 [02:57:52] <annadane> sZbcE8qNfG, if it offends you _that_ much you can file a bug against the package under severity 'wishlist'
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235 [02:58:20] <daviid> annadane: sure, I am trying to reinstall the master boot record, and grub (which des not come `up` at boot any more, and whe I boot, the screen `flicks` for ever
236 [02:58:38] <daviid> but it seems the SSD is fine, I can brose its content...
237 [02:58:47] <iWaldo> sZbcE8qNfG, it can be compiled without geoclue support. gentoo maintainers apparently believe that it is worth keeping.
238 [02:58:52] <annadane> and this is a system installed with the testing installer, correct?
239 [02:59:14] <iWaldo> sZbcE8qNfG, err--debian maintainers
240 [02:59:19] <daviid> yes, the SSD is installed with buster, and last update was yesterday
241 [02:59:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> it can send "network data and other information" to Mozarella's new garbage data mining service
242 [02:59:42] <daviid> it runs 4.17.3 or 4.17.0.3 I don`t remember
243 [02:59:51] <sZbcE8qNfG> there seems to be a real momentum shift in the linux world....linux is now doing what microshaft does...data collection
244 [02:59:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> users seem to not care
245 [03:00:08] <iWaldo> systemd baby
246 [03:00:15] <iWaldo> install gentoo
247 [03:00:15] <annadane> sZbcE8qNfG, please don't rant about it for now, someone has a support question. as i said, if you really want, file a wishlist bug
248 [03:00:32] <sZbcE8qNfG> oops sorry though this was offtopic, I'll take it there
249 [03:00:32] <annadane> that way you can directly contact the maintainer
250 [03:02:01] <daviid> mount returns only one line, containing sdb2
251 [03:02:37] <daviid> like this /dev/sdb2 on /media/ubuntu/8b93bd5a-7a07-451d-b079-2f247785eb1c type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
252 [03:03:24] <daviid> so, can I keep that as my `target` and proceed with the other command suggested earlier by the bot?
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257 [03:04:44] <daviid> which would be mount --bind /dev/target/dev
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271 [03:06:44] <SerajewelKS> can someone sanity check an idea i have to see if there are any pitfalls? i have a 3TB RAID1 (two physical disks) and a regular 1TB volume. the system has only four bays, so i can only add one unless i'm replacing some.
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275 [03:07:21] <SerajewelKS> i had the idea of getting a 6TB disk and building a RAID1 like: RAID1(6TB, RAID0(3TB, 3TB))
276 [03:07:52] <SerajewelKS> which would let me add 3TB of effective storage without replacing any disks. what kinds of problems might i run into doing something like this?
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284 [03:14:31] <daviid> i umounte and remounted as /target
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286 [03:14:44] <daviid> now I have this? /dev/sdb2 on /target type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
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288 [03:15:38] <daviid> then I try the second cmd, it fails (probably I did not understnd)
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291 [03:15:51] <daviid> sudo mount --bind /dev/target/dev
292 [03:16:01] <daviid> mount: mount point /dev/target/dev does not exist
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302 [03:17:40] <daviid> can omeone tell me what to do instead of this `sudo mount --bind /dev/target/dev` maybe?
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308 [03:23:54] <daviid> annadane: could you ask the bot to print these command once moreplease
309 [03:24:07] <annadane> !fixmbr
310 [03:24:07] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
311 [03:24:14] <daviid> tx
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315 [03:27:20] <daviid> ok, i did all step, but the last one fails with this message
316 [03:28:11] <daviid> grub-install /dev/sdb2 -> Installing for x86_64-efi platform (newline) Could not prepare Boot variable: No such file or directory
317 [03:28:35] <SerajewelKS> daviid: you needed a space in there. not "sudo mount --bind /dev/target/dev" but "sudo mount --bind /dev /target/dev"
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319 [03:28:55] <daviid> the command I did before thatone was - root@ubuntu:/# mount /boot/efi
320 [03:29:09] <SerajewelKS> i think an easier snippet would be "for i in dev proc sys; do mount --bind /$i /target/$i; done"
321 [03:29:12] <daviid> SerajewelKS: yes, thanks, I solved that, now I chrooted already
322 [03:29:49] <SerajewelKS> daviid: are you going to boot with BIOS or UEFI? what partition table does the disk use?
323 [03:30:37] <daviid> here is the complete sequnce I did replaced-url
324 [03:31:01] <daviid> SerajewelKS: not sure how to answer the question, sorry
325 [03:31:29] <annadane> (no, it's not ubuntu. it's an ubuntu live cd trying to fix a debian system)
326 [03:31:42] <daviid> SerajewelKS: if I understood correctly, the disk has 3 partitions
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328 [03:31:48] <SerajewelKS> what is the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sdb"
329 [03:32:01] <SerajewelKS> yes but is the label msdos or gpt?
330 [03:32:47] <SerajewelKS> i/o error sounds like either the disk is going bad or some math error is causing grub to attempt an out-of-bounds write
331 [03:32:56] <daviid> SerajewelKS: here replaced-url
332 [03:33:06] <SerajewelKS> dmesg output might tell you which the error was
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334 [03:34:22] <daviid> SerajewelKS: here is the dmesg last lines replaced-url
335 [03:34:30] <daviid> *here are
336 [03:34:46] <SerajewelKS> okay so sdb1 line is a clue
337 [03:34:54] <SerajewelKS> umount /boot/efi; fsck /dev/sdb1
338 [03:35:11] <SerajewelKS> it sounds like filesystem damage
339 [03:35:24] <SerajewelKS> thankfully, it's entirely generated content so worst case, you can reformat it and run grub-install again
340 [03:35:33] <SerajewelKS> (assuming grub is the only bootloader on the system)
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342 [03:35:56] <daviid> grub is the only bootloader yes
343 [03:36:07] <SerajewelKS> okay so it may be better to just regenerate it regardless
344 [03:36:08] <daviid> it is askng if i want to remove the dirty bit?
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346 [03:36:37] <daviid> or no action (I guess i should answer the first, removig the dirty bit?
347 [03:37:18] <daviid> here the quiz - replaced-url
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349 [03:38:08] <SerajewelKS> odd. it should force a disk check because the bit is set. i don't know why it's asking you.
350 [03:38:18] <SerajewelKS> honestly at this point i would just rebuild it. e.g. CTRL+C to quit fsck
351 [03:38:28] <daviid> ah ok
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353 [03:38:37] <daviid> don Ctlr-C
354 [03:38:37] <SerajewelKS> then: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1; mount /boot/efi; grub-install /dev/sdb
355 [03:39:32] <daviid> SerajewelKS: the second command you just suggested failed
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357 [03:39:39] <daviid> mount: /boot/efi: can't find UUID=BE07-1973.
358 [03:41:17] <daviid> it seems I am so close to succeed ... but maybe not
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361 [03:42:22] <daviid> SerajewelKS: here is the cmd and the output - replaced-url
362 [03:42:56] <daviid> (thanks a lot for your help by the way!)
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364 [03:45:05] <SerajewelKS> daviid: sorry had to step away. kids bedtime. so i'll be in and out for the next ~10 minutes.
365 [03:45:29] <daviid> it`s ok, many thanks
366 [03:45:33] <SerajewelKS> daviid: the disk ID changed when we reformatted it. i think "file -s /dev/sdb1" should show you the new ID.
367 [03:45:35] <daviid> i can wait
368 [03:45:43] <SerajewelKS> then you need to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the new ID
369 [03:46:26] <daviid> it says it`s unlaballed
370 [03:47:00] <daviid> here replaced-url
371 [03:47:53] <SerajewelKS> "serial number 0x3abebd17" is the magic bit we're looking for
372 [03:48:09] <daviid> ah
373 [03:48:24] <SerajewelKS> so in /etc/fstab you want to change the uuid to 3ABE-BD17 i think
374 [03:48:30] <SerajewelKS> then try "mount /boot/efi" again
375 [03:49:21] <daviid> wow, that worked
376 [03:49:45] <SerajewelKS> :)
377 [03:49:54] <SerajewelKS> now try "grub-install /dev/sdb"
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379 [03:50:11] <daviid> all magic to me ... now the last command fals, let me paste
380 [03:50:37] <daviid> here is the error - replaced-url
381 [03:52:13] <SerajewelKS> hmm
382 [03:52:15] <SerajewelKS> dmesg output again?
383 [03:52:57] <daviid> dmesg says the exact same thing (it seems it has not been updated, no more lines since my last paste)
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386 [03:53:54] <daviid> yes, there are the exact same lines - replaced-url
387 [03:56:26] <SerajewelKS> oh okay i'm dumb
388 [03:56:36] <SerajewelKS> of course the dirty bit was set when we checked earlier, the filesystem was mounted
389 [03:56:42] <daviid> you`re a wizard!
390 [03:57:00] <SerajewelKS> i'm a potato. okay. at least we didn't break anything.
391 [03:57:05] <SerajewelKS> the i/o error is very perplexing
392 [03:57:37] <daviid> the grub-install error?
393 [03:57:47] <SerajewelKS> yeah. google found an idea replaced-url
394 [03:57:54] <SerajewelKS> try doing this first: mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
395 [03:57:58] <SerajewelKS> then re-run the grub-install line from earlier
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397 [03:58:10] <daviid> ok trying
398 [03:58:27] <SerajewelKS> my systems use BIOS boot, not UEFI. i have some idea of how UEFI works so i can provide high-level advice like this but for any specific things i'm going to need to google. :P
399 [03:59:02] <daviid> ok, the error is different, but still an eror, lt me aste
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401 [03:59:28] <daviid> here - replaced-url
402 [03:59:56] <SerajewelKS> interestingly, the answer i linked lists that same error
403 [04:00:06] <SerajewelKS> it suggests doing this: rm /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/dump-*
404 [04:00:11] <SerajewelKS> then update-grub
405 [04:00:26] <SerajewelKS> and finally: grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
406 [04:01:04] <daviid> SerajewelKS: perfect! it worked
407 [04:01:08] <SerajewelKS> \o/
408 [04:01:18] <daviid> should I try to reboot now I guess?
409 [04:01:20] <SerajewelKS> now you can try to unmount everything, or you can just issue "reboot"
410 [04:01:28] <SerajewelKS> and try to eject the disc before the system tries to boot it
411 [04:01:37] <daviid> if reboot it fine, I`ll reboot
412 [04:02:03] <SerajewelKS> go for it, just from within the system obviously, not using the reset button
413 [04:02:16] <daviid> and be back to thank you (hopefully)
414 [04:02:27] <daviid> yes within the terminal
415 [04:02:43] <daviid> i`ll be back in anycase to tell you ...
416 [04:02:51] <daviid> thanks again
417 [04:03:10] <SerajewelKS> np, good luck
418 [04:03:18] <daviid> it says i can`t reboot in chroot
419 [04:03:23] <SerajewelKS> aha yeah
420 [04:03:26] <SerajewelKS> so "exit" first
421 [04:03:39] <daviid> ok
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431 [04:11:14] <Guest30187> SerajewelKS: it worked perfectly, many thaks again!
432 [04:12:02] <SerajewelKS> Guest30187: happy to hear!
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434 [04:12:42] <daviid> last thing, could you (if it is possible) copy our chat (including the command from the bot, a little earlier before you started to help me, then till the very ebd, paste it on debian, so can parse it and make notes ...
435 [04:12:58] <daviid> yes, Im very happy too!
436 [04:13:05] <SerajewelKS> yeah, let me check my logs
437 [04:13:29] <daviid> thanks
438 [04:15:14] <annadane> the channel itself is also publically logged
439 [04:15:15] <annadane> !irclog
440 [04:15:16] <dpkg> well, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
441 [04:15:30] <daviid> oh, cool!
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443 [04:17:42] <SerajewelKS> this is from when you joined replaced-url
444 [04:17:49] <SerajewelKS> i set it to expire in 90 days
445 [04:17:54] <daviid> SerajewelKS: thanks!
446 [04:17:56] <SerajewelKS> np
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455 [04:32:40] <gmcastil> what is the /sbin/ifconfig analogue in the systemd world ?
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457 [04:36:37] <dvs> ip?
458 [04:37:35] <gmcastil> yep, thanks - 'ip add show' to see ip addresses
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492 [04:47:05] <SerajewelKS> gmcastil: ip has been a thing long before systemd, btw. ifconfig has been deprecated for years.
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494 [04:47:24] <zumba_ad_> I'm disappointed with my hardware. I can't boot from usb :(
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512 [04:58:32] <rydare> can you burn a cd
513 [04:59:04] <annadane> rydare, under what context is that remark uttered?
514 [04:59:23] <rydare> disappointed with their hardware, can't boot from usb
515 [04:59:47] <rydare> lol i see now how it sounds like a clueless user question
516 [04:59:47] <annadane> zumba_ad_, ^
517 [05:00:11] <annadane> it's more that you didn't ping them so they're unlikely to know they're being replied to
518 [05:00:24] <zumba_ad_> oh
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520 [05:00:29] <annadane> not that you necessarily have to under all circumstances but it was 12 minutes later and not particularly directded
521 [05:00:35] <annadane> directe
522 [05:00:36] <annadane> d
523 [05:00:38] <annadane> TYPING
524 [05:00:40] <zumba_ad_> got it
525 [05:00:58] <rydare> zumba_ad_: i have a CD of slackware 11 if you want me to mail it to you
526 [05:01:01] <rydare> i think it's a 4CD set
527 [05:01:02] <zumba_ad_> sorry, I was debugging another issue
528 [05:01:07] <rydare> haha just kidding
529 [05:01:11] <zumba_ad_> no, I don't have a dvd drive
530 [05:01:21] <zumba_ad_> my slackware on 5.25 floppy is gone
531 [05:01:23] <zumba_ad_> :D
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533 [05:01:39] <zumba_ad_> slackware was the first linux I learned in 95
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536 [05:02:22] <zumba_ad_> cmos shows that it can boot from usb but i tried and it doesn't boot. I tried the same usb stick on my laptop, it worked
537 [05:02:39] <rydare> have you tried a different port
538 [05:03:11] <annadane> zumba_ad_, it is _possible_ you need a newer kernel, that tends to be the most common issue
539 [05:03:29] <rydare> oh, is secure boot turned on?
540 [05:03:30] <annadane> try the one from backports i guess
541 [05:03:37] <annadane> oh, and maybe also secure boot
542 [05:04:41] <zumba_ad_> I'm trying to install debian stretch that is installed on the usb stick
543 [05:05:06] <zumba_ad_> I don't remember seeeing secure boot on the cmos
544 [05:05:50] <annadane> check also that you have the right architecture
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549 [05:10:02] <rydare> debian gnome is so comfy
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551 [05:10:56] <dvs> ???
552 [05:11:07] <zumba_ad_> yup, it's correct
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554 [05:11:55] <annadane> zumba_ad_, how'd you prepare the debian iso for installation
555 [05:11:55] <zumba_ad_> the machine is from 2009
556 [05:12:03] <zumba_ad_> i used dd command
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558 [05:12:36] <dvs> and no DVD drive?
559 [05:12:41] <zumba_ad_> it's bad
560 [05:12:47] <zumba_ad_> it can't read anymore
561 [05:12:51] <annadane> i haven't really used gnome for extended periods of time, currently on xfce, which is fairly comfy
562 [05:12:51] <zumba_ad_> sudo dd bs=1m if=~/debian-9.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/disk2
563 [05:12:57] <zumba_ad_> I also tried etcher
564 [05:13:04] <annadane> err
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568 [05:13:14] <annadane> that probably explains it
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571 [05:13:33] <annadane> post the output of lsblk to paste.debian.net
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574 [05:13:38] <rydare> annadane: as long as you like it, any DE can be comfy. I was just using LXQT and was uncomfortable, now i'm comfy
575 [05:13:39] <zumba_ad_> what error did I make?
576 [05:13:43] <annadane> syntax
577 [05:13:49] <annadane> it is not /dev/disk2
578 [05:13:54] <rydare> you're pushing to a partition
579 [05:14:00] <rydare> unless this is a macos computer?
580 [05:14:03] <zumba_ad_> it is
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582 [05:14:48] <annadane> you don't need much to be "comfy" really, as long as it fits in with your workflow
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585 [05:15:54] <rydare> i spent today creating a version of Arc with my favourite colourscheme, Zenburn :3
586 [05:16:47] <annadane> anyway, lsblk please
587 [05:17:07] <rydare> but i don't think the problem with zumba_ad_'s is his burning to the disk, because he said it worked on other computers, right?
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589 [05:17:20] <zumba_ad_> yup
590 [05:17:30] <zumba_ad_> not sure where to run lsblk
591 [05:17:36] <annadane> in a terminal
592 [05:17:44] <rydare> on t he mac, the equivalent command would be 'diskutil list'
593 [05:17:49] <annadane> oh, mac.
594 [05:17:50] <annadane> sorry.
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596 [05:18:04] <zumba_ad_> yes, I used diskutil list yesterday to find out where to put the iso
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598 [05:18:56] <rydare> i think there's a special command
599 [05:19:03] <rydare> for burning linux isos and such on mac
600 [05:19:09] <rydare> it's like /dev/rdisk2
601 [05:19:19] <zumba_ad_> I don't have drive on the mac as well :(
602 [05:19:33] <zumba_ad_> I'm thinking of trying bs=512
603 [05:19:50] <zumba_ad_> does it matter?
604 [05:20:01] <annadane> found this, may be relevant replaced-url
605 [05:20:05] <rydare> i think it does matter
606 [05:20:08] <rydare> sudo dd if=~/Downloads/ubuntu-14.04.3-server-amd64.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1048576
607 [05:20:09] <zumba_ad_> k
608 [05:20:21] <annadane> "I think the issue is that on these old macs the EFI used to be 32 bit. Check if the image contains a 32bit EFI binary in the boot folder. If not then that's your problem. 32bit firmware can't run a 64 bit boot stub."
609 [05:20:22] <rydare> replaced-url
610 [05:20:35] <annadane> but anyway do i suppose use the proper syntax first, narrow it down
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612 [05:20:56] <rydare> you can leave the bs part out
613 [05:21:02] <rydare> it's wrong for our iso anyways
614 [05:21:22] <zumba_ad_> so it's uses rdisk2
615 [05:21:33] <rydare> yeah if diskutil says disk2
616 [05:21:37] <rydare> then you just add an r
617 [05:21:37] <annadane> i tell myself to leave out the bs part of my support daily...
618 [05:21:37] <zumba_ad_> yup
619 [05:21:56] <rydare> i think it means "real" disk or something like that
620 [05:22:07] <zumba_ad_> it's weird that I ran history on my mac and I never saw rdisk on all my dd executions
621 [05:22:13] <zumba_ad_> got it. i'll try again
622 [05:22:18] <zumba_ad_> thanks forlks
623 [05:22:20] <zumba_ad_> folks
624 [05:22:34] <rydare> we'll be here if it doesn't work
625 [05:22:46] <rydare> well annadane will, it's their shift until 4am eastern time
626 [05:22:49] <rydare> lolololol
627 [05:24:29] <zumba_ad_> :D
628 [05:24:31] <zumba_ad_> it's running
629 [05:24:38] <zumba_ad_> it's burning to usb stick
630 [05:24:43] <zumba_ad_> it took rdisk2 well
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632 [05:24:45] <zumba_ad_> :)
633 [05:24:57] <zumba_ad_> led is blinking just like yesterday
634 [05:25:05] <zumba_ad_> aight, brb, I'm debugging another server
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696 [06:20:58] <simbalion> Why does removing firefox-esr want to also remove gnome and gnome-core?
697 [06:21:07] <simbalion> and why does it try to install chromium
698 [06:21:52] <simbalion> firefox is better installed directly from mozilla.org, and removing the package shouldn't be this challenging
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700 [06:23:28] <rydare> gnome and gnome-core are metapackages
701 [06:23:33] <rydare> they include firefox-esr
702 [06:24:10] <rydare> same thing if you removed gimp
703 [06:24:14] <rydare> it would remove the gnome metapackage
704 [06:24:18] <rydare> but not gnome itself
705 [06:24:47] <rydare> but you should be careful, because sometimes it will remove the actual package
706 [06:25:14] <simbalion> thats confusing, is it possible to make apt identify meta packages visually as such?
707 [06:25:25] <simbalion> if not that might be a good feature to add
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711 [06:27:35] <rydare> yeah i'm not sure if there's a way to identify them besides showing them with apt-cache
712 [06:28:08] <rydare> do you want firefox-esr?
713 [06:28:13] <rydare> or latest firefox
714 [06:28:20] <simbalion> Nope
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716 [06:29:11] <annadane> simbalion, apt-mark hold gnome gnome-core
717 [06:29:18] <simbalion> like I said, best is to install directly from mozilla.org
718 [06:29:48] <simbalion> I wish there was a package for the latest firefox but it's not really necessary since it's easy to install and auto-updates itself
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722 [06:30:28] <rydare> kids these days, back in my day we had iceweasel and we liked it!
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724 [06:31:07] <simbalion> lol I didn't like iceweasel, but it worked. I'm a web dev and I neeeeed Quantum lol. It's already installed of course I was just removing esr for cleanliness
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726 [06:31:30] <rydare> that reminds me i have to remove packages
727 [06:31:36] <rydare> for my arch linux package count cred ;)
728 [06:31:38] <simbalion> also because links were opening in esr for some reason
729 [06:31:47] <rydare> what DE
730 [06:31:56] <simbalion> openbox
731 [06:32:14] <simbalion> those angled tab corners look so ugly now
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733 [06:32:34] <rydare> i think you'll have to set your browser with xdg-mime
734 [06:32:38] <rydare> i forget the exact syntax
735 [06:32:59] <simbalion> Thanks, I was gonna deal with it later
736 [06:33:07] <JNash_DMIS> anyone having issues with nameservers in stretch? I can't seem to get statically assigned nameservers to work.
737 [06:33:56] <annadane> how do you know someone uses arch? - they'll tell you.
738 [06:34:26] <pingfloyd> like when someone uses macs
739 [06:35:22] <rydare> lol apt just tried to autoremove xorg
740 [06:35:27] <rydare> NOT TODAY APT
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742 [06:36:24] <drax-> Hey, can someone tell me howto change the resolution in console/tty. And ive seen some screenshots, when people have like 3 tux penguins up to the right.. Anyone know howto do that?
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759 [06:41:55] <drax-> Hey, can someone tell me howto change the resolution in console/tty. And ive seen some screenshots, when people have like 3 tux penguins up to the right.. Anyone know howto do that? -- if that makes any sense to you guys?. xD
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762 [06:45:04] <ledeni> !patience | drax-
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768 [06:49:05] <rydare> drax-: this might work for you replaced-url
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770 [06:49:25] <rydare> Ubuntu is based on Debian so the process should be similar
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773 [06:51:32] <drax-> rydare, thanks bro, gonna look at it now.
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775 [06:53:20] <zumba_ad_> good news, it's just now that I tried the usb stick. It boots now. However, it's frozen on the first gui page where we see the graphical install menu
776 [06:53:47] <zumba_ad_> mouse doesn't show up
777 [06:54:09] <zumba_ad_> does not respond to any keypresses. I moved it to different usb ports with no luck
778 [06:54:39] <zumba_ad_> i'm sure the keyboard and mouse work because it's currently running ubuntu
779 [06:55:30] <zumba_ad_> I left it running. I was thinking maybe the code hasn't fully loaded yet and I was thinking the keyboard/mouse modules aren't loaded yet
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786 [07:03:56] <zumba_ad_> I'm good now. I enabled USB Legacy Support in CMOS
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791 [07:07:08] <rant> bios even
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794 [07:07:47] <rydare> drax-: hwinfo didn't work for me but setting the resolution a la ubuntu did work for me
795 [07:07:49] <rant> cmos is so fn ambiguous it never shouldve been used as a term
796 [07:08:17] <rant> often refers to cameras these days
797 [07:09:21] <rant> means neither bios nor cam and should never be used in tech support
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799 [07:11:47] <rant> its like saying you set something in dip, qfp, or the dohicky or thingamabob
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803 [07:14:59] <tdn> Where do I obtain netinst iso for older versions of debian? e.g. debian 8?
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806 [07:15:32] <rant> try the archive perhaps
807 [07:15:48] <tdn> rant, which is where?
808 [07:15:51] <rant> idk if they keep old isos
809 [07:16:06] <rant> !archive
810 [07:16:06] <dpkg> archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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813 [07:16:34] <tdn> rant, thanks
814 [07:16:42] <rant> hmm seems dpkg has the answer
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817 [07:18:17] <rant> seems im good for somethin other than bitchin about stupid acronyms.. heh
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825 [07:28:27] <zumba_ad_> i meant BIOS :D thanks! It's been a while
826 [07:28:59] <zumba_ad_> it's almost done installing. By Ubuntu :D hahaha
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847 [07:53:06] <tdn> I obtained a Debian 8.11 netinst ISO. I am trying to install, but when I am asked to select mirror, it seems none of the suggested mirrors are working. Are there any debian 8 mirrors that will let an 8.0 work?
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851 [07:59:26] <zumba_ad_> i picked mirrors.kernel.org today and worked like a charm
852 [07:59:36] <zumba_ad_> and I installed from a usb stick
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855 [08:03:58] <tdn> zumba_ad_, for debian 8?
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882 [08:38:51] <babilen> tdn: deb.debian.org should work for everyone
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898 [08:52:27] <at0m> tdn: are you sure your network is set up ok? from a console, can you ping a server?
899 [08:53:06] <tdn> Network is OK. but mirrors does not seem to have this release (8.0)
900 [08:53:14] <tdn> jessie
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922 [09:21:12] <oiaohm> I have a system that requires grub-install --disk-module=native when the grub package update it swap back the the default of bios and fails.
923 [09:21:38] <oiaohm> Have I missed a configuration somewhere.
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973 [10:21:00] <Sia-> Hi, why is after 3 weeks still the installer Busty is bugy???
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976 [10:21:36] <Sia-> replaced-url
977 [10:22:26] <Sia-> The community forces ppl to use another destro instead of debian self. Why are always buggy installer, buggy bash???
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984 [10:29:52] <colo-work> don't drink and use irc
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990 [10:37:47] <jelly> I don't think we have a Busty release...
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995 [10:45:19] <Fox> that's a shame :)
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1036 [11:31:14] <Renkineko> hi, i have a strange question. I'm on stretch (9.5), when I type the command "service" and press the tab key, I don't have auto-complete with installed services appearing. But if I do a ssh on myself and I do the same command, the suggestions are available... Anyone has an idea of how is it possible?
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1041 [11:37:48] <Kaminota> Are there lines for bash-completion in your .bashrc file?
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1050 [11:45:50] <Renkineko> i suppose, because when i do the ssh it works
1051 [11:45:54] <Renkineko> and it reads the same .bashrc
1052 [11:47:31] <Renkineko> for me it's a native feature for this command (the service command), but now that you mention it I don't see anything about completion, so how/why does it work when I do the ssh... ? oO
1053 [11:48:16] <Fox> localy you open a shell, when you ssh localy you open a login shell, that's the difference
1054 [11:48:36] <Fox> the login shell should read /etc/profile first
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1057 [11:50:23] <Renkineko> mmhh ok, i'll check how to do that :)
1058 [11:52:32] <Renkineko> ok it works now
1059 [11:52:39] <Renkineko> thank for your help everyone, have a nice day :)
1060 [11:52:59] <Renkineko> (or evening, don't know where you are on the world ^^)
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1062 [11:53:34] <Fox> France for me :)
1063 [11:53:40] <Fox> what did you do/change then ?
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1065 [11:55:51] <Renkineko> added " if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then \n . /etc/bash_completion \n fi " (replaced the real line return with \n to avoid flood ^^)
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1067 [11:56:11] <Renkineko> ah, a french colleague o/ same here, Montpellier =D
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1069 [11:56:45] <Renkineko> added the if to the local .bashrc
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1081 [12:06:09] <Fox> Sophia Antipolis here :)
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1133 [13:12:01] <reber> heyall, woooh sorry for ot, doya know wich wich software this is made : replaced-url
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1177 [13:52:09] <debron> hi guys: could I ask for advice on working with web applications dev and maintenance | I would like some advice about how to organice my desktop to see tail -f in different windows | and having also some other terminal with a mysql client open, so i can check when i need, etc | and having also some other terminal with a mysql client open, so i can check when i need, etc | is there a cleaner way to do something like this?
1178 [13:52:42] <debron> but i dont want to have a lot of SSH sessions, putty clients everywhere
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1180 [13:53:22] <mawk> putty ?
1181 [13:53:24] <debron> I would like to have something like that in only one screen, all unfolded
1182 [13:53:32] <mawk> isn't that just for windows
1183 [13:53:46] <debron> yeah ... right now computer i have in office have a windows OS, but the servers i work on are debian servers
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1185 [13:54:29] <mawk> you can use a single local terminal session with a terminal multiplexer like tmux, and in each pane you run ssh
1186 [13:54:50] <debron> that sounds nice
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1188 [13:54:56] <mawk> I'd do it with cygwin or something but that's because I don't know WSL, maybe you do
1189 [13:54:57] <debron> like different tabs
1190 [13:55:02] <ayekat> AFAIK, putty works on linux, too... but I never understood why people would take that over the "normal" openssh client
1191 [13:55:02] <mawk> yeah
1192 [13:55:17] <mawk> either tabs or a single split screen
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1194 [13:55:27] <mawk> you can organize however you want
1195 [13:55:55] <debron> what is wsl?
1196 [13:56:09] <mawk> windows Linux subststem or something
1197 [13:56:22] <mawk> that allows you to run linux executables directly on windows
1198 [13:56:22] <jelly> !wsl
1199 [13:56:23] <dpkg> replaced-url
1200 [13:56:27] <mawk> so you'd run tmux from that
1201 [13:56:40] <mawk> instead of using a specially-compiled version like cygwin does
1202 [13:57:22] <jelly> debron: there are several approaches. One is to make a logging server or service and point all the logs there, then look at just that
1203 [13:58:20] <debron> jelly: in my case would be better to have various sessions open
1204 [13:59:18] <jelly> then there are connection management tools that aggregate dozens of ssh sessions in to a single window w/ tabs or whatever
1205 [13:59:50] <debron> yeah i think that would be the best, with an option of seeing all of them unfolded if needed
1206 [13:59:54] <debron> at same time
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1209 [14:01:03] <jelly> our windows people use replaced-url
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1213 [14:01:43] <jelly> no idea what features it has, if you're really on a windows workstation maybe ask in ##windows
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1225 [14:11:34] <debron> okay thanks you
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1234 [14:28:07] <sZbcE8qNfG> anyone manage to run VMWare Horizon client with CAC smart cards (military)?
1235 [14:28:36] <fedorafan> where should I paste user specific stuff
1236 [14:28:45] <fedorafan> jdk
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1240 [14:30:00] <fedorafan> home/user/... there?
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1242 [14:31:33] <jelly> sZbcE8qNfG: maybe ask in #vmware channel?
1243 [14:31:59] <sZbcE8qNfG> ok
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1249 [14:37:06] <fedorafan> I did add a new variable to /etc/environment but in terminal I dont get it shown by echo $variable
1250 [14:38:12] <sZbcE8qNfG> maybe you need to reload or reboot
1251 [14:38:30] <fedorafan> what is reload, I opened it terminal again and it didnt work
1252 [14:38:32] <fedorafan> reboot really
1253 [14:39:50] <fedorafan> ok I try to logout and login should be same effect and being faster
1254 [14:40:03] <sZbcE8qNfG> close the shell and reopen it
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1258 [14:40:35] <fedorafan> ok did a reload and nothing
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1272 [14:45:59] <sZbcE8qNfG> replaced-url
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1274 [14:46:13] <sZbcE8qNfG> it looks like it doesn't work for shells? you have to add it to .bashrc
1275 [14:46:28] <sZbcE8qNfG> Put all global environment variables, i.e. ones affecting all users, into /etc/environment Remember, this file is read by PAM, not by a shell. You cannot use shell expansions here. E.g. MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ will not work! There is no shell-agnostic and login-independent solution to the problem of how to configure the environment for all users, beyond the trivial cases that PAM can handle.
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1280 [14:52:03] <rootkea> After connecting to an Android wireless hotspot, Ubuntu 18.04 sets `nameserver `127.0.0.53` in /etc/resol.conf whereas Debian Stretch sets `nameserver 192.168.43.1` in /etc/resolv.conf. This makes all the networking tools (ping, wget, firefox etc) in Debian to time out failing name resolution. How do I fix this? Thanks!
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1286 [14:55:07] <rootkea> I remember disabling some startup services to reduce boot time. But when I tried to reset all of them using `systemctl preset-all` it says "Failed to preset all units: Cannot assign requested address" Not sure how to go from here.
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1289 [14:55:44] <dutchfish> sZbcE8qNfG, if .bashrc resides on a network nfs share for the users home dir, you can script it to your needs on that server.
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1291 [14:55:59] <fedorafan> sZbcE8qNfG logout and login did the job
1292 [14:56:26] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
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1295 [14:57:31] <jelly> rootkea: if your dhcp server gives out 192.168.43.1 as dns server but that does not work, then you might have to override. First do a manual lookup to see if it works, eg. "dig google.com @192.168.43.1"
1296 [14:59:02] <fedorafan> in gnome how to add a app to the side
1297 [14:59:08] <rootkea> jelly, Is this the only command I need to check? I'm asking this because to test this I need to connect to hotspot thereby disconnecting from #debian
1298 [14:59:46] <jelly> rootkea: it's likely not going to be the only thing to check, but it's a good first step
1299 [14:59:58] <fedorafan> or is there a seperate room for gnome
1300 [15:00:05] <rootkea> jelly, okay. I'll be right back. Thanks!
1301 [15:00:30] <fedorafan> drag and drop :)
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1309 [15:03:46] <rootkea> jelly, dig says "connection timed out; no servers could be reached" I'm not sure why is NetworkManagement not setting nameserver 127.0.0.53 like Ubuntu
1310 [15:04:17] <at0m> 127.0.0.1:53 ?
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1314 [15:04:53] <petn-randall> rootkea: 127.0.0.53 is a loopback address, Ubuntu is installing a DNS server on your local machine, apparently.
1315 [15:05:07] <dutchfish> at0m, dugh, there is no xxl!
1316 [15:05:11] <jelly> rootkea: because N-M in debian does not use dnsmasq by default.
1317 [15:06:29] <rootkea> jelly, yesterday somebody told me 127.0.0.53 is systemd-resolved thing. And I have systemd-resolved enabled on both the systems. #confused
1318 [15:06:34] <jelly> rootkea: if your phone does not pretend to be a dns resolver/forwarder, you'll have to either run a local dns recursor on this machine, or override dhcp-provided dns server values
1319 [15:07:04] <jelly> oh, it might be that one as well, but I have no ida how well it works
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1321 [15:07:32] <jelly> my ubnntu 16.04 laptop does dnsmasq, not resolved.
1322 [15:07:51] <rootkea> jelly, I am using latest Xubuntu 18.04
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1326 [15:09:27] <jelly> I have no idea how that one works yet.
1327 [15:09:30] <jelly> I'd install unbound or pdns-resolver and point /etc/resolv.conf to that.
1328 [15:09:32] <jelly> pardon, pdns-recursor
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1330 [15:09:47] <jelly> if you have resolvconf installed they might but themselves in /etc/resolv.conf automatically.
1331 [15:09:56] <jelly> or
1332 [15:09:57] <rootkea> jelly, Is it because I have manually disabled some startup services? I remember one specifically being related to networking and used to take more than a minute to complete.
1333 [15:09:59] <jelly> !override dns
1334 [15:09:59] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
1335 [15:10:15] <jelly> and rely on someone else's public dns resolver.
1336 [15:11:13] <jelly> like 9.9.9.9 or 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1
1337 [15:13:15] <rootkea> I gotta read that wiki page to understand overriding dns. I just wanted to browse the Internet as soon as I connect to wireless hotspot. Exactly like Xubuntu...
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1339 [15:14:35] <rootkea> Interestingly, for USB tethering (wired connection), NM is Debian and Xubuntu sets the identical nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf and Internet just works!
1340 [15:14:44] <rootkea> s/is/in
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1344 [15:17:30] <rootkea> May I know how do I reset all the startup services? (just to remove the possibility of this being causing this dns issue)
1345 [15:17:33] <rootkea> `systemctl preset-all` it says "Failed to preset all units: Cannot assign requested address"
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1350 [15:22:01] <fedorafan> xubuntu is nice
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1353 [15:23:32] <rootkea> fedorafan, I find your username+channel+comment combination funny! :P
1354 [15:23:40] <fedorafan> :)
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1360 [15:26:07] <fedorafan> would like to help but really dont know how
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1362 [15:27:08] <fedorafan> I could start xubuntu and try same
1363 [15:28:38] <fedorafan> rootkea so the problem is what you want to use usb tethering?
1364 [15:28:50] <rootkea> fedorafan, Thanks! But the issue is with NetworkManager of Debian Stretch
1365 [15:29:06] <fedorafan> thats the NM :)
1366 [15:29:30] <fedorafan> I also have trouble with the newest kernel on ubuntu and network manager
1367 [15:29:54] <fedorafan> always starting an older
1368 [15:30:26] <fedorafan> my debian stretch is very slow in my vbox
1369 [15:30:57] <debron> is not possible to keep alive ssh session from openssh client command-line?
1370 [15:31:09] <fedorafan> what does that mean
1371 [15:31:21] <debron> setting it specifically for that connection, on the client side
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1374 [15:31:39] <debron> adding some parameter in command line , like openssh -K user@host
1375 [15:31:54] <debron> where K would be keep alive or something similar
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1378 [15:32:38] <debron> is there any way to do that? Or i would need to set it globally for all the connections (I would really like to avoid this last option)
1379 [15:32:53] <debron> for example, putty has this option , to keep alive connections
1380 [15:33:00] <debron> so i wonder if openssh could do this too
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1382 [15:33:17] <fedorafan> openssh has an own channel right
1383 [15:33:17] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
1384 [15:33:21] <fedorafan> hello
1385 [15:33:33] <fedorafan> just to say you could try there
1386 [15:33:40] <debron> fedorafan: just a silent to reply you on that
1387 [15:33:49] <debron> or even better... a cricket singing
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1390 [15:34:08] <ychaouche> one of my virtual machines is running debian 9 and got unresponsive, I had to reset it from vsphere client. In the event log of vsphere client I can read that "The CPU has been disabled by the guest operating system. Power off or reset the virtual machine."
1391 [15:34:10] <fedorafan> stfu
1392 [15:34:15] <fedorafan> that :D
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1394 [15:35:07] <fedorafan> good luck
1395 [15:35:13] <jelly> fedorafan, try to keep your lines in here to constructive remarks
1396 [15:35:29] <fedorafan> sorry
1397 [15:35:51] <ychaouche> nothing in syslog around the time that was reported by vmware (12:13)
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1399 [15:36:21] <ychaouche> nothing in dmesg nor messages
1400 [15:36:54] <fedorafan> jelly they need your help I think
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1402 [15:38:01] <jelly> ychaouche, is cpu hotplug enabled?
1403 [15:38:23] <ychaouche> jelly, how can I find out ?
1404 [15:38:38] <ychaouche> vmware-tools wasn't installed before that, I installed it after the "crash"
1405 [15:38:55] <jelly> which vmware version is this and are you using the fat client or the web client, it's somewhere in VM settings
1406 [15:39:20] <ychaouche> I'm using the webui
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1409 [15:40:17] <ychaouche> I am using VMWare ESXi version 6.5.0. Client version is 1.29.0
1410 [15:40:37] <jelly> vm -> manage -> vm hardware -> edit -> cpu (expand it)
1411 [15:41:16] <ychaouche> CPU Hot plug is greyed
1412 [15:41:27] <jelly> but is it ticked or unticked
1413 [15:41:35] <ychaouche> replaced-url
1414 [15:41:36] <ychaouche> unticked
1415 [15:41:40] <jelly> if you have cpu hot add enabled I GUESS it's possible for root to unplug the last cpu
1416 [15:42:04] <jelly> it's unticked. No idea then
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1418 [15:43:28] <fedorafan> JAVA_HOME is set and JAVA_HOME/bin is in the PATH but he doesnt know java nor javac?
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1420 [15:44:12] <debron> fedorafan: maybe you were right, sorry, but annoy me the way you said like if you were being disturbed by me asking, i already joined openssh and asked there, so thanks for the advice even when it wasnt an advice :D
1421 [15:44:31] <fedorafan> no problem
1422 [15:44:36] <ychaouche> should I "Expose hardware assisted virtualization to the guest OS" ?
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1426 [15:44:55] <ychaouche> I don't know if that helps the guest OS in any way
1427 [15:45:18] <jelly> ychaouche, that's irrelevant, don't touch things if you don't know EXACTLY why you want them
1428 [15:45:39] <ychaouche> fine
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1431 [15:47:22] <jelly> the one thing you cna touch is OS version (under edit settings -> vm options -> general options, but the VM has to be powered off to change it)
1432 [15:47:42] <jelly> I'd google that error, it's weird enough
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1434 [15:48:08] <jelly> let's just say none of our 150 Debian VMs has ever done that
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1436 [15:49:47] <ychaouche> jelly, just for the context I was installing applications from nextcloud when it suddenly errored and my ssh connexions turned unresponsive. Memory was 100% and CPU was 50% at that time.
1437 [15:50:16] <ychaouche> but what's mot intriguing is no traces in the logs, no ?
1438 [15:50:21] <ychaouche> most*
1439 [15:50:54] <ychaouche> I thought the OS shutdown itself after it thought CPU was too hot, like it used to do on a normal, desktop PC.
1440 [15:51:05] <ychaouche> could it be ?
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1444 [15:53:34] <regdude> Hi! What kind of space would a local repo require and what kind of I/O load should I expect?
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1449 [15:56:37] <msl09> guys
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1452 [15:56:54] <dutchfish> regdude, replaced-url
1453 [15:56:57] <msl09> have had a problem like this?
1454 [15:57:15] <msl09> I do sudo mount --bind /dados/data93/ /var/lib/pgsql/9.3/data/
1455 [15:57:41] <msl09> but the entry that appears on /etc/mtab is /dev/sdb /dados/data93 xfs rw,seclabel,relatime,attr2,inode64,noquota 0 0
1456 [15:58:05] <dutchfish> regdude, hard to judge about traffic, its alot, but less if your local repo doesnt need daily syncs.
1457 [15:58:11] <jelly> ychaouche, esxi does not expose temp. sensors to guests
1458 [15:58:44] <jelly> ychaouche, your vm host would have events and alarms if anything similar were to happen
1459 [15:58:47] <dutchfish> regdude, if you dont need the source packages, it quiet a lot less.
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1461 [15:59:01] <msl09> /dados is the destination of a mount with source /dev/sdb
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1463 [15:59:19] <regdude> dutchfish: that is a lot of space, but I suppose I can throw out a lot of arches and reduce the size in half
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1465 [15:59:56] <dutchfish> regdude, yes, also consider if you really need the source packages, it depends on your usecase.
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1467 [16:00:47] <dutchfish> regdude, next you should delve into, if you just need stable or testing/sid as well.
1468 [16:01:07] <dutchfish> regdude, good luck
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1471 [16:02:23] <regdude> dutchfish: ok, then the numbers don't seem that high since I have a very narrow use case. Thanks!
1472 [16:02:27] <ksk> msl09: that is kind of normal. iirc there was another command which showed what exactly was mounted, but I forgot which..
1473 [16:02:28] <dutchfish> regdude, last but not least, in some scenarios, doing manually updating with jigdo, might be the better option. Delve into that too.
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1475 [16:03:12] <ksk> its also not "a problem", but just cosmetic/display issue
1476 [16:03:25] <dutchfish> regdude, jigdo can safe 'huge' on bandwidth with partial repo technics.
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1478 [16:03:48] <ychaouche> jelly, you seem to be talking about physical CPUs which have real temperatures. But since the VM only sees virtual CPUs I don't know if that's relevant to them. It's relevant to the host guest. Are we on the same page ?
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1482 [16:04:40] <Fox> ksk: looking for `findmnt` maybe ?
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1484 [16:05:01] <regdude> dutchfish: sorry if Im ignorant, but how would jigdo help in this case?
1485 [16:05:08] <ksk> msl09: findmnt sounds like what you want. thanks Fox.
1486 [16:05:19] <jelly> ychaouche: it's not relevant.
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1488 [16:05:35] <ksk> "apropos mount" vs "mnt" :X
1489 [16:05:46] <dutchfish> regdude, jigdo (read the manual) can reuse old jigdo sources and only download and reassemble the latest pack.
1490 [16:05:50] <jelly> ychaouche: VMs in ESXi do not have virtual temp sensors
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1492 [16:06:05] <ychaouche> jelly, yes that doesn't make sense
1493 [16:06:19] <ychaouche> what could a virtual temperature even mean
1494 [16:06:20] <jelly> so Debian will not see any, and even if it does, it won't try to unplug its cpu
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1496 [16:06:25] <dutchfish> regdude, all depends on your use case, of couse.
1497 [16:07:10] <dutchfish> regdude, also, jigo is simple to use on add hoc cases. No massive storage needed; only what you really use.
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1499 [16:07:19] <dutchfish> regdude, jigdo*
1500 [16:08:42] <regdude> dutchfish: ok, I will need to check jigdo deeper, for now it seems it will not help much since everyone will have Debian already and Im intending my local repo to reduce network load
1501 [16:09:06] <regdude> basically a cache server
1502 [16:09:29] <dutchfish> regdude, to my humble opinion, a full blown mirror is rarely needed.
1503 [16:09:31] <ychaouche> jelly, do you think a question like "in what situations would the system disable the CPU at runtime ?" be interesting to any experts on the appropriate debian mailing list ? or would that be kernel specific ?
1504 [16:09:54] <ychaouche> or would that be not interesting at all ? ^^'
1505 [16:10:12] <dutchfish> regdude, yes, caching might be worthwhile.
1506 [16:11:19] <msl09> findmnt shows me the same thing
1507 [16:11:27] <dutchfish> regdude, for your info. Alot of isp's automate that already for there customers ;)
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1510 [16:11:34] <msl09> │ └─/dados/data93 /dev/sdb[/data93]
1511 [16:11:41] <jelly> ychaouche: I'd first figure out what that meant, precisely, from the guest perspective
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1514 [16:12:34] <msl09> I'm thinking the OS is actually not binding /dados/data93 to /var/lib/pgsql/9.3/data
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1516 [16:13:39] <regdude> dutchfish: they usually have a generic cache, but a local cache is still a good option if there are a lot of Debian users in your network
1517 [16:14:04] <msl09> hmmm
1518 [16:14:07] <msl09> HMMMM
1519 [16:14:19] <msl09> *MMHMM*
1520 [16:14:24] <dutchfish> regdude, yes, if you have a 500+ userbase, it might be worthwhile to run your own.
1521 [16:14:42] <msl09> # touch /var/lib/pgsql/9.3/data/foo
1522 [16:14:51] <dutchfish> regdude, otherwise, no, not really.
1523 [16:14:53] <regdude> only 100 right now :( but a small uplink to ISP
1524 [16:14:55] <msl09> # ls /dados/data93/foo
1525 [16:15:16] <dutchfish> regdude, then go partial as i did.
1526 [16:15:21] <msl09> /dados/data93/foo
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1528 [16:16:26] <regdude> dutchfish: what do you mean by partial? Simply skip unneeded arches and stages?
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1530 [16:16:45] <dutchfish> regdude, carefully choose your uplink repo and time to sync, you dont want to make enemies ;)
1531 [16:17:15] <msl09> AH
1532 [16:17:16] <dutchfish> regdude, yes, cherrypick what you really need and always ask yourself how much that stuff is really needed.
1533 [16:17:24] <msl09> it was a symlink
1534 [16:18:00] <msl09> B)
1535 [16:18:14] <dutchfish> regdude, the benifit of your own repo is the biggest only at installtime.
1536 [16:18:49] <regdude> dutchfish: I would choose the repo that is in my country and sync it every second day (except weekends). How do you think, will I make new enemies?
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1538 [16:19:22] <dutchfish> regdude, and your own repo needs to maintained too. (time involved)
1539 [16:20:04] <regdude> dutchfish: I mostly require this for security reasons since users don't have access to the internet directly
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1541 [16:20:20] <dutchfish> regdude, prolly not, think of this, the initial sync can best be done in chunks. That is the worst part.
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1543 [16:21:00] <dutchfish> regdude, plan carefully
1544 [16:21:24] <jelly> regdude: you can probably make a local leaf mirror without asking, but it's nicer to ask for permission
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1546 [16:21:43] <dutchfish> jelly, yes, true, very.
1547 [16:22:53] <jelly> I honestly would not care if someone pulled just 1-2 arches from our mirror, that's just 200GB or so
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1549 [16:23:03] <jelly> !mirror size
1550 [16:23:04] <dpkg> To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see replaced-url
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1554 [16:24:33] <jelly> no idea about mirroring security.d.o
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1556 [16:25:16] <jelly> an alternative might be to configure a proxy that only allows access to debian repos
1557 [16:25:30] <jelly> and configure apt to use that
1558 [16:26:11] <ksk> once used simple nginx http cache for thousands of machines, works like a charm.
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1560 [16:27:11] <jelly> last time I looked all those domain-specific proxies like apt-cacher, apt-proxy, apt-cacher-ng seemed buggy one way or the other
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1567 [16:29:07] <regdude> dutchfish: thank you for all the advice! will test it out and see how it goes
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1569 [16:29:19] <dutchfish> regdude, yw, good luck.
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1586 [16:40:41] <marz_d`ghostman> Hello, we are currently building a mirror for debian-cd. Do we have to use any script, like the ftpsync, for it like debian/?
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1589 [16:42:06] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, replaced-url
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1591 [16:42:31] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, in short use rsync
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1594 [16:43:25] <dutchfish> (also think meta data)
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1597 [16:44:41] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, personally i also used jigdo-mirror, but it is more work to setup correctly.
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1601 [16:46:27] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, drawback for the jigdo-mirror, you are limping behind on new commits, because you have to wait on the new jigo-templates every time.
1602 [16:46:44] <dutchfish> jigdo_templates*
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1606 [16:47:52] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: so it's okay if I just manually run rsync for the mirror?
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1608 [16:48:22] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, not just, delve into the howto's first and carefully plan, as always with this.
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1610 [16:48:51] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, but yes
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1613 [16:49:04] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: I already did, I was just wondering if I missed something cause we have been mirroring debian/ and it is recommeneded we use ftpsync
1614 [16:49:24] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: replaced-url
1615 [16:49:38] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, iso's are a different kind of animal
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1617 [16:50:07] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, from the sid eof th ebandwidth question, jigdo-mirror is king.
1618 [16:50:31] <dutchfish> sorry for typos
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1632 [16:55:37] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: too much to setup, we're using rsync manually
1633 [16:56:17] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: what do you mean iso's are different? debian-cd debian-iso?
1634 [16:56:30] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, ok, At least you know now, how and what to choose.
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1636 [16:56:59] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, iso's are big chunks with lots in it that stays the same on the next release.
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1640 [16:57:51] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, not so much for packages from a classic Debian repo.
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1642 [16:58:45] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, hence a jigdo-repo saves alot on bandwidth.
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1644 [16:59:18] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: for the meantime though, does our mirror for debian-cd okay? replaced-url
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1646 [17:00:38] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, at first glance, yes, but it is lsow on bandwidth. If this has to be a pulic repo, take thta into consideration.
1647 [17:00:44] <dutchfish> slow*
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1649 [17:02:22] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, public repos need quiet some bandwith.
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1651 [17:04:24] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: I'll try setting up jigdo-mirror
1652 [17:04:29] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: thanks
1653 [17:04:38] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, but this might be due that i sit on the other side of the globe.
1654 [17:04:55] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, yw, good luck!
1655 [17:05:34] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: although I sent a ticket, and it says we're better off using ftpsync script. I was confused then
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1658 [17:06:30] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, it depends, i am personally a bit reluctant to use ftp proto unless i have too.
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1660 [17:06:57] <dutchfish> (security reasons)
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1664 [17:07:57] <sZbcE8qNfG> help
1665 [17:08:14] <sZbcE8qNfG> in ubuntu there is a package pcsc-lite.......can someone tell me the equivalent package in debian?
1666 [17:08:23] <greycat> replaced-url
1667 [17:08:25] <sZbcE8qNfG> I tried looking through apt search but couldn't find a similar package
1668 [17:09:18] <greycat> sZbcE8qNfG: only if you tell us what it does
1669 [17:09:45] <sZbcE8qNfG> it's supposed to be like a middleware for cac smartcards
1670 [17:09:55] <dutchfish> greycat, i am not sure, about that, i have to delve into it. At least it would be nice to have that in the howto's.
1671 [17:10:18] <sZbcE8qNfG> I see the source package on debian package search...but I don't know which package to install.....in ubuntu you would just install pcsc-lite
1672 [17:10:39] <greycat> ,info pcsc-tools
1673 [17:10:40] <judd> Package pcsc-tools (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: Some tools to use with smart cards and PC/SC. Version: 1.4.27-1; Size: 164.4k; Installed: 412k; Homepage: replaced-url
1674 [17:10:43] <sZbcE8qNfG> i guess the equivalent package from what I can read is libpcsclite1
1675 [17:10:44] <greycat> try that one maybe?
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1677 [17:11:11] <sZbcE8qNfG> no those are extra "utils"...not the middleware
1678 [17:11:12] <dutchfish> greycat, on my todo, to revive the old way. ok.
1679 [17:11:27] <sZbcE8qNfG> i will try the libpcsclite1......I wonder why ubuntu and debian have diff package names
1680 [17:11:51] <greycat> sZbcE8qNfG: well, then, do an "apt-cache search pcsc" and see which package(s) do what you want
1681 [17:12:01] <marz_d`ghostman> dutchfish: Okay, we'll continue with our setup then since it is currently working
1682 [17:12:29] <dutchfish> greycat, maybe also a more convinient one on jigo-repos. Maybe some automation and tlc there too.
1683 [17:12:48] <dutchfish> marz_d`ghostman, ok, Good luck again.
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1725 [17:56:34] <domovoy> hi
1726 [17:56:36] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox
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1728 [17:56:36] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 61.0.1-1; experimental: 62.0~b16-1
1729 [17:56:57] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
1730 [17:56:58] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3
1731 [17:57:14] <NetTerminalGene> ugh! still 52
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1736 [18:00:21] <mmoreno80> hello! I am trying to configure a custom APT repository. I am using apt-ftparchive to generate the Packages/Release/Contents file. The repo looks good, but I cannot install dependencies: apt-get install fails to resolve the dependencies even when the files are in the repo. Any idea what can cause this problem?
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1740 [18:04:21] <domovoy> i'm thinking about setting up SSO. is there any setup that would get close to "universal client compatibility"? meaning that whatever the client uses (pam, kerberos, saml, AD...) my SSO setup would use the same database of users?
1741 [18:09:08] <petn-randall> mmoreno80: Can you provide all of the following?
1742 [18:09:09] <petn-randall> !bat
1743 [18:09:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1744 [18:09:27] <jelly> domovoy: AD can do all of (pam, kerberos, oauth2 and probably saml), but not all possible configs for pam will result in SSO ability
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1747 [18:11:31] <mmoreno80> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1750 [18:13:39] <jelly> mmoreno80: steps 2 and 3 too, preferably all in the same pastebin entry if possible
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1752 [18:15:56] <mmoreno80> jelly: replaced-url
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1756 [18:17:48] <jelly> repeat for "apt-get install libtomcrypt0"
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1758 [18:18:07] <jelly> ,depends libtomcrypt0
1759 [18:18:08] <judd> Package libtomcrypt0 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libgmp10, libtommath1.
1760 [18:18:12] <mmoreno80> replaced-url
1761 [18:18:17] <mmoreno80> jelly: ^^^
1762 [18:18:58] <jelly> mmoreno80: I meant "apt-cache policy libtomcrypt0 libtommath1"m, too
1763 [18:19:04] <mmoreno80> ok
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1765 [18:19:28] <mmoreno80> # apt-cache policy libtomcrypt0 libtommath1 libtomcrypt0: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.17-9 Version table: 1.17-9 500 500 replaced-url
1766 [18:19:34] <jelly> at some point you're going to figure out which dependency is missing
1767 [18:19:35] <mmoreno80> sorry,
1768 [18:19:36] <mmoreno80> replaced-url
1769 [18:19:46] <mmoreno80> libtommath1 is missing.
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1771 [18:20:25] <jelly> guess you know what to do next then?
1772 [18:20:36] <mmoreno80> of course!
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1775 [18:20:59] <annadane> panic and run around in circles
1776 [18:21:00] <mmoreno80> replaced-url
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1778 [18:21:20] <mmoreno80> now it looks fine, @jelly
1779 [18:21:30] <jelly> yes
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1781 [18:21:41] <mmoreno80> thanks, @jelly
1782 [18:22:21] <jelly> you're welcome
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1785 [18:23:25] <jelly> (there must be a better way!)
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1787 [18:23:53] <mmoreno80> is not easy to download all packages' dependencies
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1791 [18:24:15] <mmoreno80> that was the problem. I though it was the repo ... :(
1792 [18:24:36] <jelly> mmoreno80: you could set up a minimal debootstrap of stretch, apt-get -d install all the things in there, and then copy all those debs
1793 [18:25:19] <jelly> minimal chroot* with* debootstrap*
1794 [18:25:27] <mmoreno80> got it
1795 [18:26:19] <jelly> patching those offline systems is left as an exercise for the reader
1796 [18:27:40] <mmoreno80> jelly: yeah. thanks, PCI!
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1896 [19:43:32] <Scriptonaut> hey all. I'm in a bit of a predicament. We had some drives fail on our debian server. I need to transfer 1.6TB of data back to the disk across the network. I tried rsync -Pa --size-only source:/my/path /destination/path, but it was maxing out at 10 MB/s, and it wasn't preserving permissions/owners. Someone else tried an scp, and that was just as slow. It's a bunch (like over a million) small files. Wha
1897 [19:43:38] <Scriptonaut> t is the best way to get this transfered over? Should I tar it then scp/rsync it? Could use a point in the right direction, thanks
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1901 [19:44:25] <ksk> Scriptonaut: do the users already exist on the target machine? if not, take a look at "--numeric-ids"
1902 [19:45:06] <ksk> also: "-p, --perms preserve permissions" -- see man rsync
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1905 [19:45:20] <ksk> also, 10MB/s is what you get over a 100mbit link.
1906 [19:45:33] <ksk> a little less rather.
1907 [19:46:12] <Scriptonaut> ksk: the permissions is the least of my concern, that was just something kind of messed up. The biggest issue right now is I just need to get this stuff over. It was projected to take 44 hours
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1909 [19:47:04] <ksk> that sounds unrealistic to me, but been a while since I synced much data. also totally depends on the type of data you transfer (Small files vs big ones etc)
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1911 [19:47:24] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: You can tar it and move it, but my guess is that there is a network config issue that is causing low datarates.
1912 [19:48:15] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: ya that's what I was figuring
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1916 [19:49:55] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: do I want to just tar, or tar with xz, etc
1917 [19:50:08] <ksk> did you check; link connectivity (like, is it 1G?), disk utilisation during transfer (eg atop) on both source and target?
1918 [19:50:10] <Scriptonaut> I guess I can just look this up
1919 [19:50:25] <Scriptonaut> ksk: so this is a production server, we can't really shut down a lot of the CPU processes
1920 [19:50:42] <Scriptonaut> but there were some things like a node server taking up a lot of cpu sometimes
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1923 [19:50:56] <ksk> if there is already load on the server, that will of course slow things down.
1924 [19:50:57] <LtL> Scriptonaut: also with rsync use -z for compression, it'll go faster e.g., rsync -avzP SRC DEST
1925 [19:51:25] <ksk> as I said, check disk utilisation, its the first Id recommend (apart from checking that you really have a gig / 10gig link, whatever)
1926 [19:51:28] <Scriptonaut> ah, I wasn't sure about z, some people were saying it made it gos lower
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1930 [19:51:54] <greycat> depends on CPU power vs. network bandwidth
1931 [19:51:56] <ksk> probably depends on the data and on the machines load(s)
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1933 [19:52:58] <Scriptonaut> ksk: ok, so in that case, should we temporarily suspend/kill all those processes and see if it speeds up?
1934 [19:53:06] <ksk> like, if atop is showing near 100% disk utilisation (or top maybe showing a lot of IOwait) you can stop tweaking your rsync right now ;)
1935 [19:53:17] <Scriptonaut> tweak it how though?
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1939 [19:53:59] <Scriptonaut> cpu isn't maxed out on source machine
1940 [19:54:09] <ksk> I once wrote a script which synced serveral subdirs of $bigdir via rsync in parallel - that speeded things up alot.
1941 [19:54:15] <ksk> Scriptonaut: how about the disks? :>
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1944 [19:54:47] <ksk> iirc there was also an rsync option to start the sync "from the back", so you could skip writing a script and use 2 instances of rsync.
1945 [19:55:00] <LtL> Scriptonaut: correction -p preserves perms.
1946 [19:55:03] <Scriptonaut> I'm getting atop
1947 [19:55:05] <Scriptonaut> I was using htop
1948 [19:55:14] <Scriptonaut> LtL: ya I had -a, which includes -p
1949 [19:55:19] <Scriptonaut> and it still didn't
1950 [19:55:33] <Scriptonaut> I mostly just need to figure out how to transfer this
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1952 [19:55:55] <Scriptonaut> so far tar is looking like my best bet
1953 [19:56:01] <petn-randall> Is there a way to read a file that was deleted, but still has a file descriptor open?
1954 [19:56:02] <Scriptonaut> if there are any additional tweaks I'd love to know though
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1956 [19:56:16] <Scriptonaut> probably not petn-randall
1957 [19:56:26] <Scriptonaut> fd just points to it mostly
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1959 [19:56:32] <Scriptonaut> unless it's still in mem
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1963 [19:58:17] <EdePopede> evenually copying the the fd out of /proc. iirc i did this in firefox somewhen in the past
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1966 [20:00:19] <petn-randall> Ah, that worked. I got it by running `cat /proc/<pid>/fd/255`.
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1972 [20:05:31] <JyZyXEL> is it normal to have a massive iowait spike, lasting tens of seconds after deleting a lot of files?
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1974 [20:06:04] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Do you have a SSD with discard set as mount option?
1975 [20:06:08] <JyZyXEL> i seem to get that pretty much always after im done deleting some tens of gigabytes at once
1976 [20:06:14] <ksk> JyZyXEL: sounds likely. xfs by any chance? it dislikes removing huge amount of files the most
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1978 [20:07:26] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: yeah i got discards enabled so i assume it's the trim's that are causing it
1979 [20:07:38] <JyZyXEL> ksk: ext4
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1982 [20:08:58] <JyZyXEL> might be a good idea to disable discards and just do periodic fstrim while i'm sleeping
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1984 [20:09:39] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Some SSDs are buggy and will block during ATA TRIM. I'd check if you can update the firmware. If that fails, I'd take discard out and run it periodicly, yes.
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1997 [20:17:51] <JyZyXEL> definitely not trying my luck with the firmware upgrade, until i have a spare SSD set up for the case it all goes horribly wrong
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2007 [20:23:51] <Scriptonaut> does this look like the best compression command I could do to get the file really small? My test file went down from 70K to 12K (not bad, but better would be ideal): tar -zcvf test.tar.gz d1
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2013 [20:28:23] <EdePopede> Scriptonaut: J for xz? i think it has the highest compression rate, though it seems to be not unproblematic, found something on a blog or so some time ago (definition, data structures...)
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2015 [20:29:09] <Scriptonaut> EdePopede: ah ok, hmm
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2017 [20:29:27] <greycat> In terms of compression ratios for generalized data, it's usually xz > bzip2 > gzip
2018 [20:29:45] <annadane> from most compression to least compression?
2019 [20:29:54] <greycat> yes
2020 [20:30:12] <Scriptonaut> greycat: xz is good but it takes forever to compress
2021 [20:30:25] <Scriptonaut> it's super slow, and I'm under a massive time contraint, so I have to consider that at well
2022 [20:30:34] <Scriptonaut> I have to compress at a minimum 1TB
2023 [20:30:40] <greycat> Then I suggest experimenting to find what works best for your task.
2024 [20:31:00] <Scriptonaut> ok, I'm wondering if I should change the compression levels (from default -6 to -1 or something)
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2032 [20:35:07] <ksk> btw, did you once run a calculator? Im really bad at maths, but seems to me you would need a total of 10,59MB/s to make your transfer work in 44h ;)
2033 [20:35:43] <ksk> so your 10MB/s might not be too far off.
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2038 [20:38:26] <Scriptonaut> ya, it was around 10 MB/s, even slower sometimes
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2040 [20:39:44] <Scriptonaut> I ended up finding pigz
2041 [20:39:49] <Scriptonaut> which runs gz compression in parallel on all cores
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2043 [20:40:10] <Scriptonaut> we'll see how it does. Man one thing I miss about bsd is being able to hit C^T and seeing the progress
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2055 [20:45:06] <EdePopede> produces an impressive list: debtags search 'role::program && use::compressing && works-with::archive'
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2078 [21:01:15] <deadrom> hi
2079 [21:01:42] <Orys> hey
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2082 [21:02:46] <deadrom> last night one deb8 machine ran out of memory. no idea why. dmesg is full of repeated messsaged that this and that process was killed in order to free memory and then follows something that looks like a kernel module crash dump, but I cannot figure what made it run out of memory in the first place
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2088 [21:03:40] <ksk> deadrom: lamp stack? most likely an unexpected amount of requests, check your webserver logs in that case.
2089 [21:04:00] <ksk> you cannot make it from the oom logs which process used "too much" memory.
2090 [21:04:14] <ksk> *cannot make it out
2091 [21:05:20] <EdePopede> or some mad javascript
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2097 [21:06:52] <deadrom> ksk, no apache. NAS/dvb backend
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2100 [21:07:50] <ksk> then Id suggest looking at when the OOM-killer kicked in and check that other service logs corresponding to that time
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2108 [21:12:41] <deadrom> first occurence is Sep 5 09:43:21 [392461.446471] iceweasel invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x280da, order=0, oom_score_adj=0
2109 [21:13:22] <deadrom> so that was the frist to go because it hogged the most memory or because it was the trigger?
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2112 [21:14:28] <ksk> afaik this is the process that the oom killer choose to kill (because of reasons)
2113 [21:14:56] <ksk> because linux does not really know which process uses "too much" memory, and kills based on "how can I resolve that most likely"
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2116 [21:15:46] <ksk> it might be iceweasel was the reason, but it does not have to. others might correct me if Im wrong.
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2120 [21:16:46] <deadrom> not entirely impossible
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2124 [21:19:17] <lf94> Is debian buster alpha3 busted?
2125 [21:20:05] <lf94> It says it can't find the cdrom, but I checked /cdrom and there is data there. Then it says "check the data", so I re-read the data off the usb and checked with a sha1sum of both the iso I downloaded and wrote to the usb
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2131 [21:25:10] <dob1> hi, I would like to append a timestamp to PS1 (not redefine it), how can I do it ? PS1=$PS1 and the append?
2132 [21:25:24] <dob1> considering that the timestamp is \D{%F %T}\n\$
2133 [21:25:27] <greycat> PS1="$PS1 whatever"
2134 [21:25:47] <greycat> but I would seriously consider redefining it from the ground up, not trying to append
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2137 [21:27:57] <dob1> greycat, this was the idea, but it's a bit confusing in my bashrc how it is set
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2140 [21:28:33] <greycat> You can make it whatever you like.
2141 [21:28:47] <dob1> so I was thinking to just put a last line on it like the one you suggest me
2142 [21:29:14] <greycat> OK, if that works for you, then it's fine.
2143 [21:29:34] <dob1> I was thinking something bad on doing this, but it seems ok for me
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2148 [21:39:10] <lf94> So everyone has installed buster alpha3 no problem? :D
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2150 [21:39:20] <greycat> !debian-next
2151 [21:39:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2155 [21:41:37] <lf94> Sounds good!
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2162 [21:43:40] <annadane> lf94, if you want to use testing you should probably just upgrade from a minimal stable
2163 [21:43:46] <annadane> now, if you want to test the installer...
2164 [21:44:06] <lf94> Well, I have no problem testing the installer ;)
2165 [21:44:16] <annadane> that's good, it helps the project
2166 [21:44:24] <annadane> thank you for your services
2167 [21:44:26] <lf94> I will do whatever whoever tells me
2168 [21:44:47] <lf94> Surely the installer can't be that busted
2169 [21:44:55] <lf94> I'm thinking, maybe bad download
2170 [21:45:39] <lf94> This was the link I used replaced-url
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2178 [21:53:01] <EdePopede> lf94: in the same directory, just remove the filename from the url ;)
2179 [21:53:28] <EdePopede> depending on the selection on the page the link goes to a directory or directly to the ISOs
2180 [21:55:30] <taylorbyte> im having trouble finding a guide on how to configure crypttab, fstab, initramfs, etc. so i can boot debain root (stretch) from a luks encrypted logical volume using a keyfile stored on a fat32 usb?
2181 [21:55:46] <taylorbyte> i have read somewhere that systemd is used now and keyscript= nolonger works in crypttab?
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2183 [21:59:08] <lf94> EdePopede, thanks!
2184 [21:59:13] <lf94> Looks like my hashes match, hmmmmm
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2223 [22:49:25] <pja> taylorbyte: This any help? replaced-url
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2226 [22:50:30] <tytan> hello everyone, I have a problem running cmatrix with the -l flag. "couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console"
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2229 [22:53:13] <pja> tytan: Are you actually on a Linux text console?
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2233 [22:54:30] <tytan> pja: I think so. I installed Debian 9, xorg, i3 and st
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2235 [22:56:33] <xc0d3r> hello
2236 [22:56:40] <tytan> o/
2237 [22:56:55] <pja> tytan: If you're in xorg / i3 then you're not at a console. cmatrix by itself should work fine with no arguments.
2238 [22:57:19] <tytan> pja: cmatrix works fine but it looks nicer with -l
2239 [22:57:24] <pja> (in a xterm / whatever terminal app you’re using)
2240 [22:57:29] <tytan> st
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2242 [22:57:37] <tytan> st - suckless terminal
2243 [22:57:46] <pja> tytan: You can't use -l in an xterm - -l is for changing the Linux console font.
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2245 [22:58:08] <tytan> ok any idea how I can replicate that behavior in an xterm?
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2268 [23:14:10] <pja> tytan: don’t think there’s a direct way. You'd have to make the console font available as an X bitmap font and use that as your terminal font. Might need to convert it.
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2281 [23:23:57] <deadrom> when a program uses the times between keystrokes to generate initial entropy, does that still work over ssh or ssh+screen or will the protocols force it into a raster that limits the resulting keyspace?
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