85[01:32:00] <rafalcpp> hmm I think it happens when given CPU is offline...
86[01:32:11] <Gerowen> jrg: I've never done that, all I've ever really used Apache for is hosting files locally, I can see all the UPS info with the "apcaccess" command, so I may not fool with screwing around with Apache.
109[01:52:47] <jrg> Gerowen: i wouldn’t either. it’s usually easier to just hook the ups up to an appliance and let it run upsd and have the other servers connect to it.
298[06:08:50] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian 9 along side Xubuntu 18.4. I can perfectly use the Internet using my phone's (Android) wireless hotspot on Xubuntu screenshot (ifconfig etc): replaced-url
358[07:29:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
359[07:29:40] <jelly> !debian-next
360[07:29:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
361[07:33:26] <luckywho> I have a problem with amixer as non root user. i'm running buster debian. i have added non-root user to audio group. rebooted with main POWER OFF and On. amixer unable to set audio control. already checked cat /etc/passwd , cat /etc/group, id <non-root-user> part of audio group
411[08:15:07] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian Stretch. `systemd-resolve --status` Google DNS servers in Global section. Please see the complete o/p here: replaced-url
451[08:56:03] <finger> well I have a package called "x-next" that depends on a specific version of "x" (with Depends: x-next (= 123) ). Now if x if I have a x version that is newer than 123 if I do apt-get install x-next I get "x-next : Depends: x (= 123) but 124 is to be installed". what I want is to install x-next with it's dependecy at 123 and just ignore 124
455[08:58:24] <finger> I have tried this using 2 approaches. one having an empty package x-next that depends on x with version=123, and the second one having x version 123 provide x-next but none of the versions work. any thoughts on what should I do with this? ( I don't want to have 2 repos for this )
456[09:00:24] <finger> I have also tried pinning but did not help
461[09:03:06] <inquisitiv3> Is there someway to install Debian with just an separate EFI boot partition and the rest in an encrypted LVM container (LUKS-on-LVM)? I tried some weeks ago, but I got an error message saying it had trouble installing Grub.
462[09:04:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1030
463[09:04:19] <inquisitiv3> Don't know if I did something wrong or if it's an limitation in Debian. I'm able to do as I wish with NixOS with Grub.
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582[11:53:29] <dionysus69> so if u have KDE< can you advise on what do to, I dont really have time to experiement so if you know for sure that debian testing has better stability than debian stable; :D let me know :)
583[11:53:48] <dionysus69> in KDE's context of course*
585[11:54:01] <petn-randall> dionysus69: You could always ask in:
586[11:54:03] <petn-randall> !debian-next
587[11:54:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
629[12:30:09] <dka> I have download debian, I have a OpenLDAP server, I want to use account from LDAP with my linux. I'd like to do it on many hosts, is there an image I can use to automatically had the configuration ? Any tutorial is much appreciated
695[13:16:49] <Fox> ychaouche: do you have a symlink to it in /etc/php/7.0/cli/conf.d ? 20-pdo_mysql.ini should be a symlink to pdo_mysql.ini in mods-available/
696[13:18:09] <ychaouche> it is in /etc/php/7.0/cli/conf.d
697[13:18:24] <ychaouche> as a symlink to /etc/php/7.0/mods-available/pdo_mysql.ini
698[13:18:38] <ychaouche> STOP
699[13:18:49] <ychaouche> which php shows /usr/local/bin/php instead of /usr/bin/php
700[13:18:59] <ychaouche> that's my problem I think
701[13:19:17] <ychaouche> yes, /usr/bin/php -m shows pdo_mysql in its output
719[13:33:14] <dka> I want to configure the software RAID 1 on Debian, I have two HD of the same size and I have tagged the two hard drive for RAID 1. Can I create multiple volume from it ?
720[13:33:48] <ksk> no, why would you want to do that.
721[13:33:49] <dka> It seems like I can only have one volume with one raid, while I expect to be able to have / , /home , /srv and /opt on different volume
722[13:34:04] <dka> ksk , if I need to format debian, I do not need to clean the /home /srv and /opt
723[13:34:15] <dka> Why would I not want to do that?
724[13:34:17] <ksk> dka: you are mixing things up. you can still partition that raid1 volume to serveral partitions, or use LVM for that
725[13:34:51] <ksk> if you wanted to create multiple raid volumes, you would need multiple raids..
743[13:40:48] <jelly> dka: the conservative approach on linux is indeed partitioning the disks in an identical layout and then setting up raid1 arrays separately for each partition, including /boot
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783[14:10:34] <BCMM> jelly: ah thanks, i forgot there was another bot and was looking at dpkg's docs. what's the syntax to get it to speak in the channel, for questions like tdn's?
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810[14:27:44] <tdn> BCMM, ok. Thanks. So what is the recommended approach when I am on stable? To just download the .deb from testing and install it with dpkg -i?
813[14:28:39] <petn-randall> tdn: That's not a good way, since the testing version is compiled against the libraries in testing. The proper way is:
814[14:28:42] <petn-randall> !ssb
815[14:28:42] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
816[14:29:14] <BCMM> tdn: are you trying to run the x2go client or server?
817[14:29:22] <tdn> BCMM, both.
818[14:29:29] <BCMM> petn-randall: why is it called "ssb"?
829[14:31:10] <petn-randall> Kivaan: It's in the same directory where you download the file, SHA512SUMS and SHA512SUMS.gpg
830[14:32:02] <tdn> dpkg, deb-src sid?
831[14:32:02] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
837[14:33:51] <petn-randall> Kivaan: Where did you download it from?
838[14:33:56] <tdn> BCMM, I am trying to do what petn-randall said. I have added the deb-src for sid. But can only find source package for x2goclient. Not server.
839[14:34:10] <petn-randall> EdePopede: You might want to add some context, and ask an actual question.
840[14:34:12] <BCMM> tdn: did you do apt update?
841[14:34:16] <BCMM> (or aptitude, or apt-get)
842[14:34:33] <Kivaan> from the official site
843[14:34:36] <petn-randall> tdn: You're not following the factoid.
844[14:34:38] <Kivaan> i am redownloading
845[14:34:54] <petn-randall> Kivaan: If the filesize is grossly wrong, the download probably got aborted mid-way.
846[14:34:57] <tdn> BCMM, I did apt-get update
847[14:35:08] <tdn> petn-randall, I am not?
848[14:35:27] <EdePopede> *sigh* are the bot factoids available on the web?
849[14:35:55] <BCMM> EdePopede: if you're worried about spamming the channel, you can just /msg the bot
850[14:36:09] <tdn> BCMM, when I try to do the build, I get this error: "E: Build command 'cd x2goclient-4.0.5.2 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed" full error output: replaced-url
851[14:36:30] <BCMM> EdePopede: but looks like yes replaced-url
852[14:36:34] <petn-randall> EdePopede: "/msg dpkg", then just ask away without the ! infront of the factoid.
853[14:36:34] <EdePopede> BCMM: that's exactly what the entrymsg says. i'm not new to irc....
854[14:36:37] <BCMM> found on google, haven't really tested
855[14:36:37] <tdn> BCMM, it *would* be nice to have the factoids on web so that we could search them.
856[14:36:51] <Kivaan> i just redownloaded without a torrent lets see what happens petn-randall
864[14:39:50] <tdn> BCMM, found out i had some missing deps and got them. Build seems to ru nfine now for the client. But cannot find the source package for the x2go server.
865[14:39:51] <petn-randall> EdePopede: It seems to me your question got answered.
873[14:41:24] <BCMM> tdn: it sounds like you've somehow not actually enabled sid source packages, and you're just rebuilding the stable client package that's already available in the repo
874[14:41:31] <tdn> BCMM, these are the only packages available when I ru napt-cache search x2go: replaced-url
875[14:41:48] <EdePopede> petn-randall. no. i asked a question. you wanted me to "ask an actual question", whatever the difference may be. i asked it in a more simple way. then i got some answers not at all related to my question. or mostly one, but not even this one added some info.
880[14:43:20] <tdn> BCMM, yeah, I had an error in my source link. I now fixe that. and ran apt-get update. But still only these packages are available now matching apt-cache search x2go: replaced-url
882[14:43:58] <petn-randall> EdePopede: Take a look at your initial message. Do you think anyone knows the context? It looks to me like an error message of some sort. Where did you get it? What are you trying to do? Those are the basic infos you should provide to get answers in this channel.
883[14:44:09] <BCMM> tdn: i'm fairly sure that just searches binary packages
884[14:44:52] <tdn> BCMM, ok. Package is called x2goserver?
888[14:45:23] <EdePopede> <search dpkg> <-- everyone who is in this channel regularly should recognize this as the syntax used by the bot in this channel with the name 'dpkg'
889[14:45:24] <tdn> I do have debhelper installed but not that version
890[14:45:44] <petn-randall> EdePopede: Ok, let's move on. Do you still have a Debian support question?
891[14:45:46] <EdePopede> do i really have to mention every step i did until i got it?
892[14:46:31] <piklu> Is XFS better then LVM - so much that LVM are not required ?
893[14:46:55] <tdn> piklu, depends on what you want. XFS can do some of the things lvm can do
894[14:47:27] <Ool> piklu: you can put XFS on a LV
895[14:47:29] <FinalX> and LVM can do some things that XFS can't do. We mostly use LVM and then create ext4 and XFS slices from it
896[14:47:32] <EdePopede> i had one, to be exactly, i had some. but now i am not even sure how to ask the correct way to get a real answer instead of being bullied (if that's the correct term)
897[14:47:39] <piklu> Yes, Ideally we should put filesystem on top of LVM
898[14:47:44] <FinalX> so what Ool said.. create an LV and put XFS on that
899[14:48:05] <FinalX> also allows for easy resizing with LVM, and then just xfs_growfs
900[14:48:06] <piklu> This guy put XFS directly on top of RAID and I am confused when he defends it against LVM
901[14:48:23] <FinalX> they're not the same thing
902[14:48:45] <petn-randall> EdePopede: If you want to rant, please do it somewhere else. You're not being bullied, you're just being rude, which greatly reduces your chances getting support in here.
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904[14:49:12] <petn-randall> EdePopede: And I'd hardly call "please clarify your question" being bullied.
908[14:50:06] <at0m> no need to explain every step since the day you got a computer, but relevant info would be usefull.
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910[14:50:39] <tdn> petn-randall, BCMM : I tried to do as the factoid mentioned : added deb-src for sid. Did apt-get -b source x2goserver, but it failed missing debhelper version >= 11. But I have version 10.* installed on debian stable and v 11.* is not available on debian stable. What to do?
911[14:50:41] <Ool> if you want just one huge part xfs directly on the RAID volume is good, but If you need différents parts on your RAID volume LVM seems to be easier (or if you're not sure)
924[14:55:14] <EdePopede> ok. i had conversation with the bot 'dpkg'. one of the infos ended with 'Ask me about <search dpkg>.' what i then did and this is how it happened:
931[14:56:36] <EdePopede> part of the answer of the bot is a .edu URL. The server seems down. no reaction on ping. is the bot info outdated, should i try later, or are the factoids available somewhere else?
932[14:56:51] <Kivaan> strange tho, the hashsums of the two corrupter downlaods dont match too. can anyone help?
936[14:58:29] <petn-randall> EdePopede: As I said, you can just query the bot via IRC. That's the recommended method. According to the timestamp on the factoid, it was last updated in 2010, so the web mirror might have been gone for a long time already. I'll ping the bot owner to see where the mirror went.
937[14:58:45] <petn-randall> Likely there is no current mirror, and the factoid just needs updating.
940[15:01:31] <EdePopede> petn-randall: thank you, now that's one of the possible reaction i was hoping for.
941[15:02:51] <EdePopede> /msg'ing, ok. only advantage of a list still is that i gives an overview in relation to related stuff. which brings me to the problem that actually brought me here today:
942[15:04:07] <petn-randall> EdePopede: `/listkeys <string>` allows you to search the database.
943[15:04:35] <petn-randall> Ok, so your *actual* question was "How can I search the factoid database".
944[15:05:02] <jasabella> hmmm how can i disable systemd-resolved?
947[15:05:53] <jasabella> but when i run systemd-resolve --status, it's started up again
948[15:06:08] <EdePopede> i was looking for some reverse dependencies. `apt rdepends`. i was trying to get some help to this command, but `man apt` is quite short, but i remembered i could ask for `man apt-FOO` in question to `apt FOO`. google came up with something to `apt-rdepends` so i tried to find it, whether installed or not [1/2]
950[15:06:56] <jasabella> apt-cache and aptitude have rdepends
951[15:07:21] <FinalX> jasabella: with disable it shouldn't be starting up again, by itself, though. if you're going to use systemd-resolve, then of course it'll start it again, because it needs it. avoid using that tool if you don't want it :)
952[15:07:59] <jasabella> FinalX… it should just tell me it's not started and doesnt this defeat the purpose of masking a service?!
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954[15:08:31] <jasabella> i just want the status, not to start it up!
955[15:09:12] <EdePopede> `dpkg -l 'apt*'` only gives me 7 hits, 3 of them installed (so it doesn't look like a tool to list only installed packages). `apt-cache search apt | grep ^apt` should LOTS more entries, but only name and short description, at least including `apt-rdepends`. is there a apt-tool doing what `dpkg -l` does, but for all available packages?
956[15:09:57] <jasabella> apt search '^apt'
957[15:10:08] <EdePopede> jasabella: i actually used aptitude before the upgrade, and since it wasn't installed per default and it looks like a frontend i try to live without it for the moment
958[15:10:21] <Fox> petn-randall: do you think we can say this is up2date ? replaced-url
966[15:13:53] <petn-randall> EdePopede: In general, 'dpkg' only acts on your local package database, not on what is available from the repositories. 'apt-cache search' is for searching package names, and 'apt-file search' will search for packages that contain this filename.
967[15:14:33] <themill> Fox: depends what you mean by "up-to-date"
968[15:14:46] <themill> it has the same database as the dpkg bot, if that's what you want
970[15:16:12] <EdePopede> petn-randall: that's what i read everywhere (also manpage) and now i know it. but then it shouldn't list aptitude, or was it installed whily building up the iso? that is what is completely irritating me.
971[15:16:32] <themill> EdePopede: what's the full line?
972[15:17:09] <EdePopede> dpkg -l 'apt*'
973[15:17:09] <dpkg> No packages found matching 'apt*'
974[15:17:13] <EdePopede> argh
975[15:17:19] <themill> Also, you might be looking for apt-cache search --names-only
976[15:17:54] <Fox> themill: that's what I wanted to know yes, thx
977[15:17:55] <petn-randall> EdePopede: IIRC `dpkg -l` will only list packages that are or were installed on the system before.
978[15:18:01] <EdePopede> uh, looks like the list i grep'd before
981[15:18:24] <EdePopede> so the iso team used aptitude, aha :)
982[15:18:35] <themill> tasksel uses aptitude
983[15:18:45] <themill> or used to
984[15:18:56] <omarek> Hi, can I run a command every 2 hours *from the moment I logged in on my computer*? I'm trying to set up a mechanism that notifies me it's time to make a break at work.
985[15:19:08] <jasabella> cron
986[15:19:08] <omarek> I thought "watch" would do that, but I misunderstood what it does.
987[15:19:32] <themill> omarek: real tools for this also exist btw
988[15:19:39] <omarek> jasabella: and how do I automatically ad a job to crontab on log in?
989[15:19:56] <omarek> jasabella: and remove it on log out?
1016[15:31:11] <omarek> petn-randall: Do I type "several GUI apps for periodically running jobs" into the search box? I had trouble coming up with the right Google terms to find, so I came here.
1017[15:31:38] <omarek> 95% of what I find is cron references, and cron is not quite what I need.
1018[15:32:17] <petn-randall> omarek: "break reminder", though you might want to search the web to find a list of names.
1019[15:32:40] <petn-randall> I recall one that had a coffe related name, "coffee timer" or something.
1027[15:42:47] <omarek> I think I'm having more fun figuring out the syntax of 'at'
1028[15:42:53] <omarek> and 'notify-send'.
1029[15:44:00] <greycat> If the man page for 'at' isn't clear enough, there's also the POSIX spec for it: replaced-url
1030[15:45:35] <EdePopede> there's also teatime. and personally i'd probably write a small script for conky.
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1032[15:45:58] <omarek> greycat: It's not clear for the impatient, like me. But "now + 1 minutes" works for me. I'll need to add some extra mechanisms because adding it to .bashrc resulted in a new at job each time I start a new terminal.
1033[15:46:16] <greycat> ... as expected.
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1035[15:46:42] <greycat> .bashrc is run by EVERY interactive non-login instance of bash, which means every new terminal, every shell escape from a text editor, etc.
1036[15:47:00] <omarek> Hmm I can just parse the output of atq, why not.
1037[15:47:08] <omarek> And not add a job if there is one.
1061[16:05:24] <greycat> .profile is read whenever you create a login shell, which means an ssh login, a virtual console login, "su - you", "xterm -ls", etc.
1062[16:06:00] <omarek> greycat: ...and it will happen again if I'm forced to restart my workstation for some reason.
1063[16:06:12] <greycat> only if you login again ;-)
1113[16:52:16] <petn-randall> Sounds like the system wasn't cleanly upgraded.
1114[16:52:21] <petn-randall> !wheezy-lts
1115[16:52:21] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
1116[16:52:36] <petn-randall> !jessie-lts
1117[16:52:36] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
1130[16:56:15] <wowas> the old ifup uses ifconfig, the new one ip
1131[16:56:39] <EdePopede> is there a reason why these have been kept back all the time?: linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 -- pretty sure i didn't change anything and i don't seem to have packages on hold. versions found with apt-cache are 4.9+80+deb9u5 (reported as installed by dpkg -l) and 4.9+80+deb9u6.
1139[16:57:27] <Habbie> read carefully before you hit Yes
1140[16:57:39] <Fox> upgrade doesn't install new dependencies
1141[16:57:42] <EdePopede> i installed 9.5 to an empty disk just a few weeks ago
1142[16:57:46] <petn-randall> EdePopede: Those are meta-packages that depends on the latest version. They'll only get removed if you ask apt to do it.
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1144[16:58:19] <petn-randall> Oh, you mean upgrade? You'll need to run `apt upgrade`, or `apt-get dist-upgrade`.
1145[16:58:57] <EdePopede> in /var/cache/apt/archives i have linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64_4.9.110-3+deb9u2_amd64.deb (not the 'u2', same for headers; other linux* packages are 'u4')
1146[16:59:41] <greycat> you want "apt upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" to get the new pacakge(s)
1147[16:59:51] <greycat> "apt-get upgrade" will not install new packages
1148[16:59:52] <EdePopede> petn-randall: i really *never* did a dist-upgrade, or similar things on linux or windows or even dos. my systems always were presented with a clean disk
1154[17:01:51] <EdePopede> i was wondering back to the day i installed 9.5 and did my first `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` that they were hold back. what is the situation, i mean, i fetched the iso, put it on a stick and installed from there (and then the update to be on newest versions)
1155[17:02:07] <greycat> you want "apt upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" to get the new pacakge(s)
1156[17:02:11] <greycat> "apt-get upgrade" will not install new packages
1157[17:02:41] <EdePopede> ah, the apt* confusion. been used to aptitude for this job. brb.
1159[17:03:08] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian Stretch. `systemd-resolve --status` shows Google DNS servers in Global section. Please see the complete o/p here: replaced-url
1181[17:10:27] <rootkea> I am using Xubuntu 18.04 alongside Debian and the systemd-resolved doesn't show Google DNS servers there. May I get a link or something shedding more light on this Debian built-in fallback thing?
1183[17:11:09] <petn-randall> rootkea: It might be a version thing. I recall that it was criticized on the mailing list. Maybe they removed the fallback again.
1185[17:11:32] <EdePopede> ok, what happened now? i have /var/cache/apt/archives open with linux*deb9u* tagged. 2x6 files because 2 update occasions. while apt was running i had some more, now the new ones have disappeared from there? does it mean that `apt-get ugrade` will leave new packages alone after install while `apt upgrade` will autoremove them?
1186[17:12:35] <EdePopede> is it because of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels?
1187[17:12:55] <greycat> Yes, "apt upgrade" will remove the files that it downloaded, unless you change the config.
1188[17:13:09] <greycat> "apg-get upgrade" leave them alone
1196[17:16:10] <EdePopede> so from 4.9.0-7 to 4.9.0-8 is considered a *new package* while the step from linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64_4.9.110-3+deb9u1_amd64.deb to linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64_4.9.110-3+deb9u2_amd64.deb is not?
1218[17:31:50] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian 9 along side Xubuntu 18.4. I can perfectly use the Internet using my phone's (Android) wireless hotspot on Xubuntu screenshot (ifconfig etc): replaced-url
1219[17:31:55] <rootkea> What am I missing?
1220[17:32:48] <rootkea> The only difference between both the systems (which I could found) is in /etc/resolv.conf
1221[17:33:25] <rootkea> For Xubuntu /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.53 in it
1223[17:34:20] <rootkea> And for Debian 9 /etc/resolv.conf has `nameserver 192.168.46.x` (can't remember exactly. Have to connect to the hostpot and go offline) in it.
1224[17:34:26] <mason> Is there a clean way to have a laptop (one eth, one wlan) have both participate in a bridge but bring up the bridge with only one or the other bridge ports turning itself on? Would "ifup br0=foo" be a reasonable way to do this, or is there a better way?
1227[17:35:17] * rootkea going offline to check the dynamic entry in /etc/resolv.conf
1228[17:35:18] <mason> I'm not wholly opposed to doing it with NetworkManager if that's the most sensible way, but I'm curious how other folks would do it.
1229[17:35:32] <mason> My initial desire is to do it with ifupdown.
1235[17:40:52] <annadane> if i were to purge an old kernel, where in the filesystem hierarchy are those configs stowed?
1236[17:41:19] <mason> jhutchins_wk: Does it handle this situation smoothly? I'm comfortable setting up bridging with NM but I've not tried to set up a bridge where only one bridge port will be selected at a time, manually.
1237[17:41:33] <EdePopede> from `man apt`: "All features of apt(8) are available in dedicated APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8) as well." -- so i really could have used apt-get to get the new kernel?
1238[17:42:12] <greycat> As I said multiple times, you can use "apt-get dist-upgrade".
1239[17:42:33] <mason> jhutchins_wk: Which is to say, I can see a path to doing this via ifupdown, but I'm not clear on how else to arrange it.
1244[17:44:35] <rootkea> After connecting to an Android wireless hotspot, Ubuntu 18.04 sets `nameserver `127.0.0.53` in /etc/resol.conf whereas Debian Stretch sets `nameserver 192.168.43.1` in /etc/resolv.conf. This makes all the networking tools (ping, wget, firefox etc) in Debian to time out failing name resolution. What am I missing?
1245[17:44:50] <annadane> for example i see /etc has /etc/kernel but not /etc/linux-image-4.9.0-7, /etc/linux-image-4.9.0-8, etc
1246[17:44:57] <mason> rootkea: That 127.0.0.53 is systemd-networkd at work.
1247[17:45:28] <annadane> i can move to the other #debian if other people have more urgent questions and it becomes spammy
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1249[17:45:36] <EdePopede> greycat: is dist-upgrade not for system upgrade as from 8 to 9? as i said, never did this
1250[17:46:45] <greycat> It is ALSO for getting new packages that are required for security updates, including kernel ABI bumps.
1260[17:50:35] <rootkea> mason, systemctl shows that systemd.resolved.service is enabled on both Ubuntu as well as Debian. Still why Debian doesn't have 127.0.0.53 like Ubuntu in /etc/resol.conf More importantly, how do I make the name resolution to work? As mentioned earlier, all the networking tools are timing out.
1261[17:50:36] <EdePopede> (apache2 installed, getting pandoc, hmmm... some kind of lightweight wiki for short notes taken with vim or so on the wishlist)
1264[17:52:58] <rootkea> Interestingly, for USB tethering Debian (and Ubuntu) puts `nameserver 192.168.42.129` in /etc/resolv.conf and name resolution works! (That's how I'm using Internet in Debian now)
1265[17:53:08] <mason> rootkea: I've not mapped all that out in my head yet. My answer has been to rip out pieces until the 127.0.0.53 bit goes away.
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1267[17:54:32] <rootkea> mason, Ah.. sorry, if I wasn't clear before. 127.0.0.53 is in Ubuntu (which I don't really care) Debian has 192.168.43.1 and the name resolution doesn't work for the same wireless hotspot.
1290[18:04:39] <annadane> which makes sense for kernels
1291[18:04:46] <annadane> i don't know why i didn't think of that
1292[18:06:10] <mason> jhutchins_wk: Not to pester you, but you were implying that NM could handle varying bridge port interfaces intelligibly... I'm not finding docs that I presume exist, and I'd be grateful if you could follow up on this.
1293[18:06:56] <jhutchins_wk> mason: I was just referring to the fact that NM is the tool designed to manage changing network interfaces.
1296[18:07:44] <jhutchins_wk> mason: Bridging may not be included in what it's meant to handle.
1297[18:07:52] <mason> jhutchins_wk: Agreed. And it does a decent job managing bridges. But this notion of alternative bridge ports seems feasible with ifupdown logical interfaces, and I'm curious about how to tactically manage it otherwise.
1298[18:08:06] <mason> Oh, it does okay with bridging. I've just got an odd case for it. :)
1299[18:08:07] <jhutchins_wk> You might in fact be better off managing it manually.
1324[18:23:27] <rydare> lord_rob: you would probably have to install it in Wine or a virtual machine, Microsoft doesn't generally make their products available for Linux
1342[18:25:41] <kirk781> Nice to see MS opening up to cross platform programming
1343[18:25:44] <greycat> Pretend for a moment that we're in a Linux-based OS's IRC channel and that we have no idea what "Visual Studio Code" is or how that's different from "Visual Studio".
1363[18:32:47] <EdePopede> for reasons(tm) i used skype for some years, then they stopped linux development. tried the electron version and wiped it from disk even before login. i should have known better, having looked at fritz or franz or what this electron based multimessenger is called.
1368[18:35:36] <ashleyk__> i mean microsoft, same difference
1369[18:36:07] <ashleyk__> they bought it to add the supernodes for collecting everyones data...this is why you can become rich by making anonymous or secure chat applications, they will always buy them
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1376[18:38:01] <Butt3rfly> you're bill gates?
1377[18:38:33] <kirk781> I remember when Skype existed in three forms-> there was the classic Skype for Windows, the new modern Skype for Windows/Windows Phone and integrated Skype functionality present in Windows Phone's Messages app[which was deleted later]
1436[19:19:27] <mason> jhutchins_wk: FWIW, I'm having a time of it trying to shim wpa_supplicant into the bridging process with ifupdown, and so far it's winning. Doing it for real by hand might be the option, but I'll give it a try with NM too to see if it compartmentalizes it better.
1473[19:50:13] <greycat> Well, just picking one script at random, /etc/network/if-up.d/openssh-server references the variables "IFACE", "MODE" and "ADDRFAM". Not sure how many other variables there are.
1476[19:51:52] <greycat> Ah, the variables are listed in interfaces(5).
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1478[19:52:12] *** Quits: electro33 (uid613@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1479[19:52:59] <greycat> If you want to react when the interface is given an IP address by a DHCP server, then why not use a dhclient hook?
1480[19:53:34] <greycat> If the IP address isn't coming from a DHCP server in the first place, then you don't need a SCRIPT to do any of this -- just write your ip route command directly.
1627[21:59:52] <JyZyXEL> how do i apt-get install old versions of a packages that aren't in my apt cache anymore?
1628[22:00:29] <greycat> If it's still in the mirrors, you just --reinstall. If it's no longer in the mirrors, you may have to download it manually from snapshot.
1661[22:17:00] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1665[22:19:07] <mspe> sorry; I clearly remember using both file and http protocols in jessie, but when I used lxc-create today at work with stretch, crashes when I use file protocol, but works well through http serving those exact same mirrors
1666[22:19:49] <mspe> it pretends not finding stretch release in the mirror, but works well when I use http
1667[22:21:47] <mspe> “Invalid release stretch (not found in mirror)”
1687[22:47:27] <inquisitiv3> How do I reply to a mail thread on debian-user? I haven't subscribed to the list and would like to reply to a mail that hasn't been sent to me personally.
1758[23:38:21] <misirk85> yes, i was talking about this issue on fb group, and guys told me tar it is simple format without service integrity check etc
1759[23:39:00] <annadane> well, maybe. i guess it really depends on the files in question
1760[23:39:52] <annadane> i don't know enough about tar to state one way or another with 100% certainty that you can't use checksums on it
1761[23:40:03] <annadane> i'll shut up now and let someone else answer
1762[23:40:36] <ashleyk> it will error if its corrupted unless someone corrupted it in a specific way on purpose
1763[23:40:46] <ashleyk> which would probably be complicated
1764[23:41:59] <misirk85> so i should not trust tar format when i dont have primary control sum?
1766[23:43:43] <annadane> i mean, the point of using hashes and checksums is to be able to validate, and we don't know where you found this tar, just that you stated it's been lying around for a few years, and we don't know what it is, but it would tend to defeat the point of security if you had something there in the first place and now no longer have it
1770[23:46:46] <annadane> it's a generic question concerning a tar file you have on your computer lying around, it depends on what it is, how important it is to you, what's your threat model, and so on
1771[23:46:47] <misirk85> i would like make pack my personal data to tar and store for long time, and i think what is better clean tar or tar.xz or 7z, and i collect information and opinion about this file formats
1772[23:47:36] <annadane> oh, so it's not an existing tar? you're asking how to make your own and set up something to validate?
1773[23:47:55] <annadane> that's a different question, then
1774[23:48:21] <annadane> sorry, i may have assumed a little bit
1775[23:48:36] <annadane> anyone else know enough about the tar format to answer misirk85?
1776[23:48:36] <misirk85> i have previous tar, 60 GB and unpack its right but i dont check all files and i thing about future
1777[23:49:15] <annadane> right. if there was some kind of security and the thing to check it is no longer there then it'd defeat the point of ever having it
1778[23:50:21] <ashleyk> nothing to do with security
1779[23:50:42] <annadane> this is from 8 years ago, but replaced-url
1780[23:50:47] <ashleyk> its integrity
1781[23:50:51] <annadane> well, personal security, security of data
1782[23:50:55] <annadane> integirty, right
1783[23:51:14] <ashleyk> tar is going to extract fine unless you corrupt it
1784[23:51:32] <annadane> OH. right. i'm so sorry.
1785[23:51:35] <ashleyk> dont even use an archive if you are worried about corruption though
1786[23:51:37] <annadane> yeah, ashley's right
1787[23:52:27] <ashleyk> you can use an archive if you have it stored on redundant storage i guess
1788[23:52:39] <ashleyk> otherwise you have a single point of failure being the corruption of the tar file