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• 4[00:00:43] <rydare> should have checked if nvidia mod was loaded
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• 7[00:00:55] <rydare> he lives!
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• 10[00:01:24] <rydare> deicide-: how goes it
• 11[00:01:28] <deicide-> cant boot
• 12[00:01:32] <deicide-> i'm on windows
• 13[00:01:35] <rydare> oh dang
• 14[00:01:41] <deicide-> getting pic one sec
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• 17[00:02:30] <rydare> ok, just switch to a TTY (Ctrl+Alt+F5 or any number that isn't the one being used by X), log in, and then "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
• 18[00:02:49] <rydare> then X will start working again
• 19[00:02:54] <rydare> but the driver isn't installed
• 20[00:03:03] <rydare> you're still using nouveau
• 21[00:03:10] <deicide-> stucks here
• 22[00:03:11] <deicide-> replaced-url
• 23[00:03:15] <deicide-> doesn't move pass it
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• 27[00:06:29] <rydare> deicide-: when you see that press Ctrl+Alt+F5
• 28[00:06:33] <rydare> shoudl show a login prompt
• 29[00:06:42] <rydare> text mode
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• 31[00:06:57] <rydare> login, and then "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
• 32[00:07:26] <rydare> then you can do "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service"
• 33[00:07:34] <rydare> and your login window should grab focus
• 34[00:07:53] <rydare> or you can reboot
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• 44[00:14:25] <rydare> d0uglas: check out this review from "David A. Jayne", goes into more depth of what he had to do to boot properly with that motherboard replaced-url
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• 50[00:17:49] <beepnboop-> i cant boot doing what u said did no effect i'm deicide-
• 51[00:18:26] <d0uglas> oh I thought you were asking the cpu (i was wrong -- amd fx-9590, the board is asrock 970A-G/3.1, brand new
• 52[00:18:37] <rydare> you can't get into a text login with Ctrl+Alt+F5 ? try F4 too
• 53[00:18:43] <beepnboop-> i can
• 54[00:18:50] <beepnboop-> there is no config file
• 55[00:18:58] <rydare> then did you do "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
• 56[00:19:20] <beepnboop-> yes
• 57[00:19:28] <beepnboop-> there is no config file
• 58[00:19:31] <rydare> ok
• 59[00:19:36] <rydare> it might be in xorg.conf.d
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• 61[00:19:52] <rydare> wait i don't think debian does that by default
• 62[00:20:02] <rydare> are you at a prompt now or back on windows
• 63[00:20:11] <beepnboop-> laptop
• 64[00:20:18] <beepnboop-> i have it open though
• 65[00:20:33] <rydare> can you go into the /etc/X11 directory, typing "cd /etc/X11" and then "ls"
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• 67[00:20:50] <beepnboop-> cd?
• 68[00:20:57] <beepnboop-> ah
• 69[00:21:15] <beepnboop-> no folder
• 70[00:21:16] <rydare> is there any .conf files listed when you type ls
• 71[00:21:27] <rydare> did you type capital X
• 72[00:21:29] <rydare> for X11
• 73[00:21:44] <beepnboop-> there is that config
• 74[00:21:49] <rydare> ok
• 75[00:21:53] <rydare> so sudo rm xorg.conf
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• 77[00:22:13] <rydare> sudo systemctl restart lightdm
• 78[00:22:30] <rydare> you should get back to where you were before we hosed the system
• 79[00:22:35] <rydare> 1024xwhatever
• 80[00:22:35] <beepnboop-> how do i leave cd back to main thingy
• 81[00:22:54] <rydare> you can just type "cd' and it will take you back to your home
• 82[00:23:11] <beepnboop-> cant remove no such file
• 83[00:23:41] <rydare> but you saw the file with ls?
• 84[00:23:47] <rydare> the xorg.conf file?
• 85[00:23:47] <beepnboop-> yes
• 86[00:23:52] <rydare> so
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• 88[00:24:02] <rydare> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
• 89[00:24:09] <rydare> capital X in the folder, little x in xorg
• 90[00:24:26] <beepnboop-> same error
• 91[00:24:28] <beepnboop-> WTF
• 92[00:24:45] <rydare> well let's see if it's still there
• 93[00:24:53] <rydare> "cd /etc/X11"
• 94[00:24:56] <rydare> "ls"
• 95[00:25:02] <rydare> files will list
• 96[00:25:09] <rydare> is xorg.conf still there?
• 97[00:25:14] <beepnboop-> its not anymore only backup
• 98[00:25:20] <rydare> perfect
• 99[00:25:29] <rydare> now type "sudo systemctl restart lightdm"
• 100[00:25:51] <beepnboop-> worked
• 101[00:25:54] <rydare> ok
• 102[00:25:57] <rydare> now let's install your driver
• 103[00:26:10] <beepnboop-> give me sec
• 104[00:26:13] <rydare> np
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• 106[00:27:48] <deicide-> ok what now
• 107[00:27:58] <rydare> ok, open up your favourite terminal
• 108[00:28:03] <rydare> and "sudo apt install nvidia-driver
• 109[00:28:05] <rydare> "
• 110[00:28:13] <rydare> no quotes just trying to delimit it
• 111[00:28:41] <deicide-> done
• 112[00:28:49] <deicide-> its already installed
• 113[00:28:59] <deicide-> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
• 114[00:29:00] <rydare> can you pastebin the out put?
• 115[00:29:11] <rydare> the whole thing
• 116[00:29:20] <deicide-> a minute
• 117[00:29:26] <rydare> no worries
• 118[00:29:51] <deicide-> btw i want to get newer driver version for the new dx thingy
• 119[00:30:18] <deicide-> its installing really old driver
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• 121[00:31:05] <deicide-> replaced-url
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• 123[00:31:58] <deicide-> DXVK
• 124[00:32:07] <rydare> ok try this: $ sudo lsmod | grep nvidia
• 125[00:32:31] <deicide-> nothing
• 126[00:32:41] <rydare> ok, so the driver isn't installed
• 127[00:32:43] <rydare> er
• 128[00:32:45] <rydare> loaded
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• 130[00:33:01] <rydare> try $ sudo lsmod | grep nouveau
• 131[00:34:43] <deicide-> bash: $: command not found
• 132[00:35:08] <rydare> sudo lsmod | grep nouveau
• 133[00:35:09] <format_c> oh man
• 134[00:35:18] <deicide-> and without it there is no output
• 135[00:35:26] <deicide-> like at all
• 136[00:35:28] <rydare> huh
• 137[00:35:29] <deicide-> not even error
• 138[00:35:40] <rydare> that means it's not finding it
• 139[00:35:48] <rydare> in the output of lsmod
• 140[00:36:16] <rydare> try doing this
• 141[00:36:22] <rydare> "sudo apt remove nvidia-driver"
• 142[00:36:35] <rydare> and then when that finishes "sudo apt install nvidia-driver"
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• 144[00:36:36] <deicide-> ppl are telling me i need to change os... after all the work i put into this os
• 145[00:37:13] <deicide-> done
• 146[00:37:21] <rydare> can you pastebin the output of both commands
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• 148[00:38:20] <deicide-> replaced-url
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• 150[00:39:14] <rydare> hmm, that package is only 486k
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• 152[00:39:57] <rydare> did we find out whether you were using backports?
• 153[00:40:05] <deicide-> answer honestly should i change os? since i have brand new hardware(ryzen 2700x)
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• 155[00:40:21] <deicide-> i installed backports today
• 156[00:40:50] <rydare> replaced-url
• 157[00:41:08] <rydare> by gettign the headers
• 158[00:41:17] <rydare> and then installing the backports version
• 159[00:41:26] <rydare> since you said you wanted a newer driver
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• 162[00:42:18] <rydare> RIP
• 163[00:42:21] <rydare> lost another user
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• 165[00:45:25] <rydare> any luck deicide-
• 166[00:45:40] <deicide-> haven't finished
• 167[00:45:50] <deicide-> 390 is old too btw
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• 170[00:49:04] <rlange> according to nvidia.com 390.87 is the latest that nvidia has released for linux
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• 172[00:49:38] <rydare> 396.54 is the absolute bleeding edge
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• 174[00:49:50] <rydare> i think 390.87 is the latest stable
• 175[00:49:51] <deicide-> 396.54
• 176[00:50:07] <deicide-> btw i have the same error through that guide
• 177[00:50:20] <deicide-> can i make debian bleeding edge?
• 178[00:50:32] <deicide-> i really really don't feel like installing new os
• 179[00:50:35] <rydare> you can update to testing or even unstable
• 180[00:50:44] <rydare> but it comes with problems
• 181[00:50:59] <rydare> and instability (packages changing, not necessarily crashing)
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• 183[00:51:23] <rydare> i run testing, my nvidia driver is 390.77
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• 194[01:05:00] <ruffni> debian-installer asks to load firmware-files brcm/brcmfmac43602-pcie.txt; replaced-url
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• 206[01:22:17] <tripkin> Hello, all. I am running stretch (up to date) with the backports and experimental repo's installed. I installed tor, which installed 0.2.9.15-1. I want to upgrade to a newer version, but whether I specify -t stretch-backports or -t experimental, it always keeps tor at the stable version. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong?
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• 226[01:51:29] <Brigo> ,v tor
• 227[01:51:30] <judd> Package: tor on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.4.27-1; wheezy-security: 0.2.4.29-1; jessie: 0.2.5.16-1; jessie-security: 0.2.5.16-1; jessie-backports: 0.2.9.14-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.2.9.14-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.2.9.15-1; stretch-security: 0.2.9.15-1; stretch-backports: 0.3.3.7-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.3.3.9-1; sid: 0.3.3.9-1; experimental: 0.3.4.7-rc-1
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• 232[01:57:09] <detly> I have a bit of an odd problem. I'm running Buster on a Dragonboard (aarch64). I booted from the internal emmc just fine, mmcblk0p10 mounted as /. I then inserted an SD card, it became mmcblk1. However, because /etc/fstab contains an entry for /dev/disk/by-partlabel/rootfs to be mounted at /, and the sd card ALSO has mmcblk1p9 named rootfs, running "mount" now shows /dev/mmcblk1p9 mounted at /
• 233[01:57:42] <detly> however... it's not quite...? as in, /home/linaro is clearly the emmc contents
• 234[01:57:55] <detly> I can't umount /, because "target is busy"
• 235[01:58:21] <detly> I am not clear on (a) what part of the filesystem is what now, and (b) how to safely extricate the sd card
• 236[01:59:04] <detly> if I remount /dev/mmcblk1p9 somewhere else, will / then go back to being /dev/mmcblk0p10? or will it just be dangling?
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• 242[02:01:29] <tw> easiest solution is poweroff and remove the card.
• 243[02:02:48] <detly> seems sensible. I guess I'm worried that the filesystems are now somehow able to be confused by eg. system services and there might be chaos when they go to change state.
• 244[02:03:15] <detly> I have backups, let's try it
• 245[02:03:17] <tw> oh probably, but I don't think there's much you can do to prevent that.
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• 248[02:04:00] <detly> ironically this is the sd card I use to take backups
• 249[02:04:26] <detly> nope, no issues apparently. okay
• 250[02:04:30] <detly> what a weird thing to happen
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• 252[02:04:41] <tw> I suggest changing your / from partlabel to uuid.
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• 254[02:05:00] <detly> definitely
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• 260[02:08:45] <detly> honestly, the companies that ship single board computers and embedded systems need to learn how to do provisioning properly
• 261[02:09:57] <detly> ooookay
• 262[02:09:59] <detly> here's a fun thing
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• 264[02:10:31] <detly> now when I put in the sd card, the emmc gets a new uuid and the sd card gets the emmc's old uuid
• 265[02:10:36] <detly> blkid
• 266[02:10:39] <detly> oops
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• 271[02:15:30] <detly> okay, even doing it by partuuid, which definitely does not change after inserting the sd card, doesn't help
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• 304[02:51:55] <sadsagfjg> How i can volume up in xfce debian?
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• 306[02:52:21] <annadane> sadsagfjg, honestly just install pavucontrol, it will make your life easier
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• 308[02:52:48] <Unit193> Also xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin is pretty great to add to the panel.
• 309[02:52:58] <Unit193> Or, volumeicon-alsa and xfce4-volumed.
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• 313[02:54:36] <sadsagfjg> annadane, Unit193 Thanks :)
• 314[02:56:00] * annadane finally installed task-xfce-desktop for once and so has all the cool stuff normally included
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• 316[02:56:55] <annadane> (installing xfce and xfce4-goodies gives you a blank icon thing for pavucontrol in the panel)
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• 318[02:58:24] <sadsagfjg> annadane, I installed xfce and xfce4-goodies.How i can add icon for change volume?
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• 320[02:59:27] <sadsagfjg> Now all is good
• 321[02:59:28] <sadsagfjg> I added
• 322[02:59:30] <sadsagfjg> :)
• 323[02:59:42] <annadane> yell at your computer to add it until it does
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• 331[03:08:45] <jasabella> hmmm i just installed physlock and am still able to reproduce replaced-url
• 332[03:08:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 368[03:40:09] <annadane> jasabella, last post was a while ago and it's not fixed with grave severity, i'd at the very least do a "me too" post just to draw attention to it
• 369[03:40:40] <annadane> it says "will be fixed in next version" though so... hmm...
• 370[03:40:55] <annadane> ,v physlock
• 371[03:40:56] <judd> Package: physlock on amd64 -- stretch: 0.4.5-2; buster: 11-1; sid: 11-1
• 372[03:41:03] <annadane> ugh
• 373[03:41:45] <annadane> that seriously isn't something that can just be fixed in stable?
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• 378[03:45:42] <annadane> that's actually really bad, i know stable is frozen packages but that really ought to be fixed
• 379[03:46:44] <annadane> i'm responding to that thread
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• 384[03:49:23] <annadane> jasabella, meanwhile, you can probably backport the version from buster/sid
• 385[03:49:35] <annadane> judd, checkbackport physlock --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 386[03:49:36] <judd> Backporting package physlock in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 387[03:50:16] <annadane> stable = no functionality changes. not "let's ignore grave security bugs"
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• 390[03:51:43] <annadane> ,i physlock
• 391[03:51:44] <judd> Package physlock (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: lightweight Linux console locking tool. Version: 0.4.5-2; Size: 9.9k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 393[03:52:02] <annadane> that is ridiculous
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• 397[03:52:39] <Owner> thats not a grave security risk
• 398[03:52:46] <Owner> the administrator of that server is
• 399[03:53:17] <Owner> any vulnerable system, the security threat is the person administering
• 400[03:53:32] <nod3> wut
• 401[03:53:46] <Owner> consider the scenario
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• 403[03:53:50] <annadane> i suppose it would require some kind of physical access
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• 406[03:54:45] <Owner> requires physical access, requires an administrator that has no root password set as a smart idea, insalls physlock because they care about security, types sudo for every command ever or sudo su - anyway
• 407[03:54:57] <annadane> all right, fair enough.
• 408[03:55:02] <annadane> i'm an idiot, then.
• 409[03:55:46] <jasabella> when i installed debian, i disabled root login
• 410[03:56:11] <Owner> why would you disable root login
• 411[03:56:22] <Owner> for an appliance?
• 412[03:56:28] <Owner> or an actual system you like
• 413[03:56:33] <Owner> lol
• 414[03:56:39] <jasabella> it's my laptop, not an actual server
• 415[03:56:50] <jasabella> i just sudo as required
• 416[03:58:10] <Owner> right, i dont run sudo except to start a root shell
• 417[03:58:30] <Owner> i dont like the idea of getting into a habit of typing sudo all the time
• 418[03:58:47] <Owner> could make mistakes
• 419[03:59:00] <Owner> blurs the lines between user and root
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• 421[03:59:12] <Ether_Man> Hi I'm having a bit of an issue getting openvpn to cooperate with me. See if I launch 'openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/ovpn.conf --daemon' manually, it launches and connects properly to the server. If I launch 'service openvpn start' however, it doesn't. Yet from what I'm reading, it should try every conf file in the openvpn dir, which should include that same ovpn.conf file from what I understand should it not? The service does
• 422[03:59:13] <Ether_Man> launch properly and everything and there's no errors that I can see, just no trying to load the config at all :/
• 423[03:59:13] <Owner> obviously sudo has other uses
• 424[03:59:17] <jasabella> sure
• 425[03:59:22] <Owner> which i think are much more enjoyable
• 426[03:59:32] <Owner> just my two cents
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• 428[04:00:00] <jasabella> so i should set a root password now, perhapsthe package description should mention this?
• 429[04:00:19] <jasabella> (for stretch)
• 430[04:00:31] <Owner> jasabella: i disable root login, but not locally...ever so yea, for things where there is actual physical access possible, i would always have a root password
• 431[04:00:59] <Owner> whether or not you even memorize it
• 432[04:01:13] <Owner> or even keep it, because obviously you can just single user mode to fix it anyway
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• 437[04:02:40] <jasabella> i just use a live usb stick to fix things rather than single user mode
• 438[04:03:12] <Owner> lots of ways to do it
• 439[04:03:28] <jasabella> mmhmm
• 440[04:04:15] <annadane> probably should remember your root pw though :P
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• 443[04:05:15] <civillian> Ether_Man: are you using systemd?
• 444[04:05:31] <Ether_Man> Dunno
• 445[04:07:15] <Ether_Man> Hmm.. After a suggestion, 'systemctl start openvpn@ovpn.service', that also works. Would that persist across reboots?
• 446[04:07:51] <civillian> check by 'systemctl status openvpn@ovpn.service'
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• 449[04:09:00] <Ether_Man> "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/openvpn@replaced-ip)" I'm guessing disabled means no?
• 450[04:09:17] <civillian> correct
• 451[04:09:28] <civillian> 'systemctl enable openvpn@ovpn.service'
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• 454[04:11:19] <Ether_Man> Cheers. Hope this'll work now :)
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• 456[04:12:30] <civillian> if you want to know more, have a look at the systemd config files for openvpn under /lib/systemd/system/openvpn* for how it fits together
• 457[04:13:35] <Ether_Man> It using this system, means I'm using systemd correct? It's completely new to me ^_^;
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• 459[04:14:16] <civillian> sounds like it. 'ls -l /sbin/init' and see what shows up
• 460[04:14:56] <Ether_Man> ./lib/systemd/systemd yea :)
• 461[04:15:15] <Ether_Man> Will have to read up more on that once this is working. Thanks :)
• 462[04:15:28] <civillian> no probs
• 463[04:16:09] <Owner> jasabella: check out /etc/securetty
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• 543[06:03:06] <ESphynx> hi guys, what is the recommended way to install both 32 and 64 bit development libraries on Debian Stretch?
• 544[06:03:31] <annadane> ESphynx, dpkg --add-architecture i386
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• 546[06:03:35] <annadane> && apt update
• 547[06:03:42] <annadane> && apt install blah blah blah
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• 552[06:06:10] <ESphynx> annadane, he following packages have unmet dependencies: libjpeg62-turbo-dev:i386 : Depends: libc-dev:i386
• 553[06:06:53] <annadane> no mention of conflicts? that's a bit of an odd message
• 554[06:07:32] <ESphynx> annadane, and if I follow directly installing the dependencies and apt install linux-libc-dev:i386, it seems to want to delete tons of stuff I want to keep installed
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• 556[06:07:55] <annadane> simulating it on my box works
• 557[06:08:19] <annadane> root@debian:~# apt install libjpeg62-turbo-dev:i386 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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• 559[06:08:49] <ESphynx> annadane, is there 2 different ways to have the 32 bit packages?
• 560[06:08:54] <ESphynx> replaced-url
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• 563[06:10:14] <annadane> i'm not certain what's going on in your case, perhaps someone can chime in
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• 567[06:12:24] <ESphynx> thanks, that would be goo d;P
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• 569[06:13:13] <annadane> see what aptitude install linux-libc-dev:i386 says maybe, it can give you more detailed information on why it wants to remove all those packages
• 570[06:13:46] <annadane> on my machine, it works
• 571[06:16:55] <annadane> ,v linux-libc-dev
• 572[06:16:56] <judd> Package: linux-libc-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.78-1; wheezy-security: 3.2.102-1; jessie-updates: 3.16.51-3; jessie: 3.16.56-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.16.56-1+deb8u1; stretch: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3; jessie-backports: 4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 4.9.88-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.107-1; stretch-backports: 4.16.12-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.17.17-1; sid:
• 573[06:16:57] <judd> 4.17.17-1; experimental: 4.18.5-1~exp1
• 574[06:18:22] <ESphynx> annadane, replaced-url
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• 576[06:19:17] <annadane> okay, so backported kernel apparently
• 577[06:19:26] <annadane> i also have the backported kernel and i get no issues with it
• 578[06:19:56] <ESphynx> :S
• 579[06:20:01] <annadane> though i don't have the dev package installed either
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• 581[06:20:34] <annadane> uh. ok, someone else help please :P
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• 583[06:20:48] <annadane> sorry, i wish i were a genius but i'm not
• 584[06:21:25] <rant> why would you want to be a genius.. do you even like Apple products?
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• 586[06:24:44] <annadane> i guess what you have to do is apt install -t stretch-backports linux-libc-dev:i386 - not certain
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• 588[06:26:38] <annadane> ESphynx, ^
• 589[06:26:38] <shalok> Is it possible to have the screen automatically lock when I close the lid on my laptop?
• 590[06:28:32] <ESphynx> annadane, thank you! It would seem that you *are* a genius after all.
• 591[06:29:19] <rant> shalok: sure.. are you using a Desktop Environment?
• 592[06:29:33] <shalok> rant: Yeah, lxqt
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• 594[06:30:42] <shalok> rant: Right now when I close the lid it suspends, but doesn't start the screensaver lock. I would like to do both.
• 595[06:31:16] <rant> hmm not familiar with that one and all my VMs are currently on another machine.. but regardless you'd need two things one is something like xscreensaver as you mentioned to do the locking and the other is hook that to the event in the power management
• 596[06:32:14] <rant> do you have the screensaver set to lock when it starts?
• 597[06:32:36] * rant growls at this damn clickpad
• 598[06:32:50] <rant> I just closed chromium twice in a row by accident with this damn thing
• 599[06:33:03] <shalok> rant: actually I think the screensaver is running all the time. It's just in the background.
• 600[06:34:19] <shalok> rant: I know I can trigger a log by running `xscreensaver-command -lock`
• 601[06:34:22] <shalok> lock*
• 602[06:34:58] <rant> what I mean is, when it activates
• 603[06:35:08] <rant> do you have it set to lock when the screensaver activates on the screen
• 604[06:35:29] <rant> cause usually the screensaver triggers on sleep anyhow
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• 607[06:37:48] <annadane> also just to point out the obvious google (or your favorite privacy respecting search engine) probably has results for "lxde screen lock close lid laptop"
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• 610[06:38:48] <rant> shalok: man pm-suspend
• 611[06:39:03] <rant> shalok: you can hook a script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ as described in that manpage
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• 614[06:39:57] <rant> shalok: if you didnt also want it to sleep, it'd be a bit more complicated as you'd need another way to just hook the lid closing event.. but since you also want it to sleep you can hook into the sleep function to trigger the lock
• 615[06:40:05] <rant> shalok: using the command you just mentioned
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• 617[06:41:23] <annadane> sorry, lxqt
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• 620[06:44:11] <rant> !fgi annadane
• 621[06:44:30] <rant> hmm I could swear that was a thing
• 622[06:44:48] <rant> guess its just a <reply> factoid
• 623[06:45:34] <rant> I am also guessing shalok is rtfm or something cause they're not saying anything
• 624[06:45:47] <rant> the pm-utils manpages are pretty good
• 625[06:46:00] <rant> real pager scrollers.. :P
• 626[06:47:07] <rant> currently my largest two annoyances are this damn clickpad and whatever I did to screw up my ssh access
• 627[06:47:21] <rant> I still am not sure what to do about this clickpad but its terrible
• 628[06:47:58] <rant> I'm thinking disabling it entirely might be the best option either that or trying to remove it from the machine and put an old t61 touchpad in its place :P
• 629[06:48:37] <rant> just pisses me off I have no way I can see to give me some halfway decent buttons for the damn trackpoint
• 630[06:50:24] <rant> I swear I've clicked the farthest upper left corner of this thing the last two times I closed chromium by accident trying to click on it in my task bar
• 631[06:50:58] <annadane> ok so um, is there ANY way to stop having the system volume increased above 125 when i put vlc over 125?
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• 634[06:54:00] <annadane> oh hey i solved my problem by - guess what - searching the internet
• 635[06:54:42] <shalok> rant: I added a script to lock the screen and it works when I run `pm-suspend`, however I still don't get any locking just by closing the lid. Is there perhaps some other mechanism aside pm-utils that does locking?
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• 638[06:56:12] <shalok> I mean aside from pm-utils that might be doing the suspend.
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• 640[06:57:45] <ESphynx> libfreetype6-dev and libfreetype6-dev:i386 seem to be conflicting :S
• 641[06:57:53] <rant> shalok: didnt you say closing the lid suspends?
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• 643[06:58:12] <ESphynx> libfreetype6-dev : Conflicts: libfreetype6-dev:i386 but 2.6.3-3.2 is to be installed
• 644[06:58:14] <rant> apparently something else is doing it but idk what :P
• 645[06:58:29] <annadane> ,v libfreetype6-dev:i386
• 646[06:58:30] <judd> No package named 'libfreetype6-dev:i386' was found in amd64.
• 647[06:58:42] <annadane> really, judd?
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• 649[06:59:26] <annadane> ESphynx, anyway, it's not listed in Conflicts, so post your full output, use aptitude etc as before
• 650[07:00:03] <rant> ,v libfreetype-dev i386
• 651[07:00:04] <judd> No package named 'libfreetype-dev' was found in i386.
• 652[07:00:42] <rant> ,i libfreetype-dev
• 653[07:00:43] <judd> No package named 'libfreetype-dev' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 654[07:00:56] <annadane> note the "6"
• 655[07:00:58] <rant> doh..
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• 657[07:01:17] <ESphynx> annadane, replaced-url
• 658[07:01:22] <rant> whats that? oh... seems a pizza is calling my name..
• 659[07:02:42] <annadane> ESphynx, output of dpkg -l libfreetype6-dev libfreetype6-dev:i386
• 660[07:02:56] <annadane> possible you don't need both but not sure of syntax
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• 665[07:05:06] <ESphynx> annadane, replaced-url
• 666[07:05:29] <annadane> oh, right
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• 668[07:07:48] <annadane> root@debian:~# apt install libfreetype6-dev:i386 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. The following packages will be REMOVED: libfreetype6-dev
• 669[07:08:20] <annadane> so it doesn't list it as conflicting in apt show yet i get the same issue
• 670[07:08:26] <ESphynx> what is up :P
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• 673[07:09:52] <annadane> one sec
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• 676[07:11:19] <annadane> yeah, so i'm not sure what's going on
• 677[07:12:27] <ESphynx> :\
• 678[07:12:38] <ESphynx> it's b0rk3d :P
• 679[07:13:11] * ESphynx whispers something about "Program Files (x86)"
• 680[07:13:56] <Owner> i amb smort
• 681[07:14:09] <annadane> i wonder if it's because somewhere down the dependency chain there's an issue with the backports package you installed earlier but i doubt it
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• 683[07:14:17] <annadane> i very highly doubt it actually
• 684[07:14:25] <annadane> but i have no other explanation
• 685[07:14:29] <ESphynx> wouldn't that show up?
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• 687[07:14:37] <annadane> in aptitude, probably yeah
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• 690[07:15:49] <annadane> we will reach a solution... eventually; better than windows, "reinstall your system"
• 691[07:16:22] <ESphynx> not related to this old bug is it -- replaced-url
• 692[07:16:44] <ESphynx> annadane, I never had to reinstall my system on Windows :P
• 693[07:17:07] <annadane> shh, i'm trying to spread propaganda
• 694[07:17:10] <annadane> anyway, good link
• 695[07:17:45] <ESphynx> annadane, Windows 7 is the least horrible OS of all times. but my new laptop doesn't have BIOS compatibility and Win7 installer won't even boot :(
• 696[07:17:49] <annadane> that being said i'd check the *debian* bts, but there's one proposed solution in there i can see
• 697[07:18:24] <ESphynx> annadane, I was asking Google and that's what came up :P
• 698[07:18:28] <annadane> actually there's a lot of responses
• 699[07:18:30] <annadane> hmm
• 700[07:18:44] <annadane> given that it's not in Conflicts and given that i'd classify this under "bug"
• 701[07:18:54] <annadane> i... guess... this particular package may be able to be backported?
• 702[07:19:21] <rant> personally I dont see how -dev packages can coexist in multiarch
• 703[07:19:23] <ESphynx> annadane, an update fixes the bug? it's 2012
• 704[07:19:49] <annadane> maybe you can use that package thingy which creates fake dependencies
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• 706[07:19:53] <ESphynx> rant, personally, I don't even see why dev packages exist.
• 707[07:19:53] <annadane> whatever it's called
• 708[07:19:59] <rant> annadane: equivs
• 709[07:20:19] <rant> ESphynx: they provide headers to build against a library or such
• 710[07:20:31] <ESphynx> rant, and header files normally take like 0.01% of the pacakge size.
• 711[07:20:36] <annadane> it's from 2012 but the replies are later...
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• 713[07:21:06] <annadane> last comment is from 2015 and "still not solved"
• 714[07:21:08] <rant> ESphynx: what is it you're actually trying to do here?
• 715[07:21:20] <ESphynx> rant, install my 32 bit libraries
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• 717[07:21:32] <rant> you don't need -dev for that
• 718[07:22:11] <ESphynx> rant, my 32 bit development libraries
• 719[07:22:31] <ESphynx> but you have a bit of a point there. my local headers are probably fine
• 720[07:22:53] <rant> yes well I can see thats not going well.. I was more talking big picture... what has you going down this road to begin with
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• 722[07:24:29] <ESphynx> rant, I'm building the 32 bit binaries of the Ecere SDK which are currently required to properly build Web Assembly apps.
• 723[07:24:45] <annadane> as far as this package is concerned it seems to, i guess, still be an open "bug"
• 724[07:25:09] <ESphynx> (or to build any 32 bit targets, we haven't gotten the 'cross-bitness' building working properly yet)
• 725[07:25:11] <rant> sounds about as excrutiating as eating this pizza at 1:30am without any milk
• 726[07:25:12] <annadane> so i guess if you really really need it it can be backported, it's certainly small enough
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• 728[07:25:51] <ESphynx> annadane, I was able to install the non -dev package...
• 729[07:26:07] <ESphynx> it still removed some stuff, but maybe that really wasn't required?
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• 731[07:26:32] <annadane> idk? see what it removed?
• 732[07:26:38] <ESphynx> ah no it didnt, I just have a 'are no longer required'
• 733[07:26:44] <annadane> yeah, difference
• 734[07:27:22] <ESphynx> cannot find -lfreetype -- I guess I really do need the -dev package
• 735[07:27:26] <ESphynx> is there an easy way?
• 736[07:28:44] <rant> you could be doing this all in a chroot or something
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• 738[07:29:33] <ESphynx> rant, well I guess once I got it built I would really only need the non-dev package
• 739[07:29:36] <rant> personally I think I'd give suicide a whirl before I'd go compile some 32bit sdk for web assembly
• 740[07:29:40] <ESphynx> but this should really be working. come on.
• 741[07:30:09] <ESphynx> eh don' mess with my morale rant ;)
• 742[07:30:30] <rant> I'm just of the mind the web can do with less "development"
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• 744[07:30:44] <rant> and the idea of doing any of it drives me nuts
• 745[07:32:02] <rant> but were it me, at this point I'd be seeking other ways around this issue like a chroot, unpacking the last missing -dev package somewhere and just pointing the build to the headers.. or something
• 746[07:32:13] <rant> then file a bug
• 747[07:33:02] <ESphynx> yes well I gotta do this right now if I want to get anywhere, but I'm quite upset that things so simple don't 'just work'
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• 749[07:35:44] <annadane> yeah, this is the exception
• 750[07:35:51] <annadane> it's usually not this complicated
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• 754[07:36:49] <ESphynx> annadane, except it usually is :P
• 755[07:36:53] <ESphynx> because you always run into exceptions :(
• 756[07:36:58] <ESphynx> ln -s libfreetype.so.6 libreetype.so <-- this got me past this for now
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• 759[07:39:54] <ESphynx> libgif also seems to conflict
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• 770[07:49:13] <ESphynx> Well thanks for the help guys, I got the thing running.
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• 773[07:50:05] <rant> better than me.. it'd have had me running
• 774[07:50:13] <DerL> ESphynx: sorry i was late to help
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• 776[07:51:09] <ESphynx> DerL, hey no worries. libgif and freetype i386/amd64 are broken :P
• 777[07:51:23] <DerL> Ah
• 778[07:51:52] <ESphynx> rant ;)
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• 780[07:53:15] <Kurogane> how i can install php-uploadprogress without installing apache?
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• 783[07:56:45] <hanetzer> heyo. booted into the debian installer env on an arm board. I repacked the cpio to add brcmfmac firmware to it, but every main menu step I've tried has failed, even simple stuff like choose language. thoughts ?
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• 796[08:12:10] <rant> hanetzer: you could try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org which I believe is the installer channel.. or just try again in a few hours.. not many people around right now.. you'd have better luck in 4-5hrs when most the people in US/EU are awake
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• 798[08:12:54] <hanetzer> ah. well, i've been doing a thing with a chroot, seems workable somehow
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• 801[08:14:23] <shalok> rant: Turns out pm-utils has been replaced with something called systemd. No idea why. I was able to add a systemd that runs the lock command on suspend and it seems to work ok.
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• 803[08:15:41] <rant> haha
• 804[08:16:01] <rant> figures systemd is doing that too
• 805[08:17:04] <Owner> rootkitd
• 806[08:19:23] <Owner> rant: how much is soros paying lennart is what i want to know
• 807[08:19:45] <Owner> probably 5 dollars
• 808[08:20:56] <rant> I have no idea what you're talking about
• 809[08:21:56] <Owner> SAD
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• 811[08:22:56] <Owner> soros probably takes orders from lennart actually
• 812[08:25:00] <Owner> Kurogane: this? replaced-url
• 813[08:26:31] <Owner> Kurogane: isnt there a --no-deps or something these days?
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• 816[08:27:58] <Kurogane> Owner, already installed with --no-install-recommends not sure if correct way but not install apache at least.
• 817[08:29:20] <Owner> nice
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• 819[08:30:37] <rant> you can always use equivs for stuff like that
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• 822[08:31:21] <hanetzer> ok, lets try something different. is there currently an 'easy' way to install debian onto a live media from another distro?
• 823[08:32:31] <Owner> live media?
• 824[08:32:52] <hanetzer> Owner: wierd system. asus c201 chromebook, runs u-boot (my own spin :D)
• 825[08:34:07] <Owner> so you want to install debian to a chromebook?
• 826[08:34:37] <Owner> have you ddg'd it?
• 827[08:34:51] <hanetzer> well, on the sdcard I'll be booting from. hella, I've done a lot of work and research here.
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• 830[08:38:17] <Owner> i just burn one of these replaced-url
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• 832[08:39:18] <Owner> basically just boot some system and install to the sdcard and add your boot stuff if you need to do it manually
• 833[08:39:32] <Owner> use a vm and physical disk
• 834[08:40:53] <Owner> hanetzer: or something like this replaced-url
• 835[08:40:58] <wgas> Debian will install to usb device with standard install, not sure about sd card readers
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• 840[08:45:18] <hanetzer> the issue is while i got the debian installer image to run, I can't get it to see the network, even after repacking the cpio with the firmware
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• 842[08:46:15] <spacedust> can one use debian unstable repository just for wireguard ? i mean if i have multiple packages from normal repo or other repositories and i dont want any package to be upgraded from the unstable repo just wireguard.
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• 844[08:47:06] <rshakin> hey ppl
• 845[08:47:53] <rshakin> can some one help me with getting sudo to run properly
• 846[08:48:48] <Owner> hanetzer: ethernet?
• 847[08:49:04] <hanetzer> Owner: wifi. brcmfmac, honestly unsure what 'bus' its on
• 848[08:49:34] <Owner> hanetzer: ah right...well are you sure you are connecting properly?
• 849[08:49:44] <rshakin> must be something simple, something i am missing
• 850[08:49:54] <hanetzer> Owner: 'connecting' meaning what here?
• 851[08:50:09] <Owner> you said you cant get it to see the network
• 852[08:50:17] <Owner> so i think you need to work on that
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• 854[08:50:22] <hanetzer> erm, network interface*
• 855[08:50:41] <Owner> oh
• 856[08:50:47] <Owner> well is the module loaded?
• 857[08:50:48] <civillian> hanetzer: so the driver isn't loading? perhaps udev isn't recognising the device ID
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• 859[08:51:02] <Owner> did you check dmesg to see if it loads the firmware
• 860[08:51:05] <hanetzer> civillian: well, its not a usb or pci device. arm stuff
• 861[08:53:18] <wgas> <hanetzer> looks pretty new you might have same prob i have on another pc, debian cant see network stuff at all but subgraphos (based on sid works perfect, i think stable kernel is outdated
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• 863[08:53:37] <hanetzer> wgas: I'm using sidstuff
• 864[08:54:25] <hanetzer> eh fsck it. I'ma install debootstrap on gentoo and manually setup the sdcard :P
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• 866[08:54:56] <setProfile> Good day to all. I need some advise; I have a big problem with NIS/YP when it's paired with NFS. I can't describe the issue is one sentence... so please read the details at replaced-url
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• 870[08:56:53] <spacedust> can could i safely remove any repository without breaking anything ? i mean id like to know which packages are installed from a certain repository , debian unstable
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• 873[08:58:11] <jelly> that information is not stored directly, spacedust, but
• 874[08:58:17] <jelly> !which repo
• 875[08:58:17] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
• 876[08:58:45] <jelly> or remove it from configuration and
• 877[08:58:47] <jelly> !obsolete
• 878[08:58:48] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
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• 886[09:03:47] <hanetzer> what's the name of the kernel package in debian
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• 888[09:06:11] <babilen> hanetzer: There are many -- linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') (e.g. linux-image-amd64) is a metapackage that depends on the current one
• 889[09:06:21] <babilen> judd: depends linux-image-amd64
• 890[09:06:22] <judd> Package linux-image-amd64 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64.
• 891[09:06:29] <hanetzer> ah
• 892[09:06:32] <jelly> 6, that's not nice
• 893[09:07:02] <jelly> ought to be at linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64.
• 894[09:07:13] <jelly> ought to be at linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 by now
• 895[09:07:42] <hanetzer> 4.18.3-gentoo
• 896[09:07:44] <hanetzer> :)
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• 898[09:07:56] <hanetzer> my chromebook is ahead of that, actually
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• 907[09:17:17] <darxmurf> hi all
• 908[09:17:31] <babilen> jelly: It might just be judd that's lagging
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• 910[09:17:43] <darxmurf> quick question, I'm trying to install a debian on a MS Surface 3, the installer can't install grub EFI...
• 911[09:17:56] <babilen> hanetzer: Do you require/want a newer kernel? You can easily install one from stretch-backports
• 912[09:18:08] <babilen> hanetzer: But Debian stable. That is: Not changing
• 913[09:18:18] <babilen> *stable is stable
• 914[09:18:32] <hanetzer> babilen: ~o~ I'm mostly going to be using this debian sdcard for dev with mali/panfrost
• 915[09:18:42] <darxmurf> I then boot on a rescue environment and when I try to grub-install I get a "Skipping unreadable variable XXXX input/output error"
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• 917[09:19:09] <darxmurf> /boot/efi is mounted and writable
• 918[09:19:10] <babilen> hanetzer: It sounded as if the fact that its 4.9 is a problem or undesirable. Hence my mention of alternatives.
• 919[09:19:20] <darxmurf> any idea of what could be wrong ?
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• 922[09:21:46] <rydare> darxmurf: i don't know if it's a similar problem, but i had to format my /boot/efi partition when i was installing debian yeterday, but i had only old linux grub entries in there
• 923[09:21:52] <rydare> i don't know if that would mess things up
• 924[09:22:01] <rydare> not familiar with the surface
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• 927[09:22:54] <rootkea> Hi! I would like to know more about the 'contrib' component. More specifically why virtualbox is in contrib and not in main of backports?
• 928[09:23:39] <spacedust> i added unstable repo to my repos to install wireguard , i also have this in my apt preferences.d replaced-url
• 929[09:24:06] <darxmurf> well, I reinstall the full system, creating partitions by hand or using the automatic option
• 930[09:24:11] <darxmurf> same problem :-/
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• 932[09:24:58] <lisp-machine> hi
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• 934[09:26:40] <babilen> darxmurf: You might want to look into replaced-url
• 935[09:26:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 936[09:27:13] <darxmurf> hmm
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• 938[09:28:51] <babilen> That one isn't particularly enlightening, but there are plenty of others related to unreadable UEFI variables
• 939[09:28:57] <babilen> Does it actually cause problems?
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• 941[09:29:47] <babilen> spacedust: It's quite unlikely that you did only install a single package from unstable (and thus rendered your system quite unmaintainable)
• 942[09:29:53] <babilen> dpkg: repo list
• 943[09:29:53] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, babilen
• 944[09:30:04] <babilen> dpkg: list repo
• 945[09:30:05] <dpkg> babilen: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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• 947[09:30:15] <babilen> *sigh*
• 948[09:30:30] <babilen> dpkg: which repo
• 949[09:30:30] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
• 950[09:31:09] <darxmurf> this bug report is not clear or is it me ?
• 951[09:31:10] <darxmurf> :D
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• 953[09:31:51] <babilen> darxmurf: That's what I meant, but there are plenty of others that discuss similar issues
• 954[09:32:30] <darxmurf> yep but in the end is there a solution to fix that :-x
• 955[09:32:44] <babilen> Is there an actual problem?
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• 958[09:34:01] <darxmurf> I can't boot the system because it's impossible to install grub
• 959[09:34:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1070
• 960[09:34:02] <darxmurf> :-)
• 961[09:34:21] <darxmurf> I mean, files are there in /boot/ and /boot/efi
• 962[09:34:32] <babilen> My hope would have been that reading similar bug reports would give you a good idea as to how to debug this
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• 966[09:36:16] <spacedust> babilen: i definitly didnt install it by will , isnt that preferences.d file enough to keep me clean of trouble ? :)
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• 968[09:36:57] <spacedust> babilen: so you are saying i cant filter out the packages that i have from that repo ?
• 969[09:36:59] <babilen> spacedust: Not if the software you installed has direct dependencies that pulls in packages from unstable
• 970[09:37:17] <babilen> spacedust: Did you see the "which repo" factoid our bot, dpkg, mentioned earlier?
• 971[09:37:19] <spacedust> babilen: ahh dependencies, okay but how to find such packages/dependencies ? there surely must be a command for that
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• 974[09:37:38] <babilen> dpkg: which repo
• 975[09:37:38] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
• 976[09:37:38] <spacedust> no, i am just looking at it right now
• 977[09:37:40] <babilen> that one
• 978[09:37:52] <darxmurf> huuu wait, I could mount efivars
• 979[09:38:00] <darxmurf> the efi boot entries are full of crap ^^
• 980[09:38:03] <babilen> It requires that the sources you *might* have installed packages from are still in your sources.list
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• 983[09:42:24] <darxmurf> okay, grub reinstalled and system booted \o/
• 984[09:42:25] <darxmurf> damn
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• 987[09:43:31] <hanetzer> babilen: hmm. possible that I may need a newer one. sdcard init is failing
• 988[09:44:48] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
• 989[09:44:48] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 993[09:50:13] <hanetzer> babilen: note: I debootstrap'd sid, isn't that newer than stretch?
• 994[09:50:24] <hanetzer> forgive my ignorance on debian terminology :)
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• 996[09:51:35] <ESphynx> hanetzer, sid is the experimental 'anything can break anytime'
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• 1000[09:52:18] <Fox> ESphynx: I find sid a lot more stable than testing
• 1001[09:53:04] <ESphynx> Fox, probably also because anything can be fixed anytime :P
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• 1006[10:01:00] <babilen> Fox: "stable" in the context of Debian *only* refers to "not changing"
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• 1008[10:01:26] <babilen> It has very little to do with "working" or "bug free" and similar things
• 1009[10:01:49] <babilen> Obviously the above attributes are worked towards before something is released
• 1010[10:01:53] <Fox> babilen: sure, s/more stable/less prone to breaking/
• 1011[10:02:24] <babilen> I don't dispute your point .. just wanted to clarify the "stable" in "Debian stable"
• 1012[10:02:30] <babilen> :)
• 1013[10:03:03] <Fox> no prob at all ;)
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• 1017[10:06:30] <rootkea> Hi! I would like to know more about the 'contrib' component. What kind of packages reside in contrib? More specifically, why is cbedic replaced-url
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• 1021[10:13:26] <bites> rootkea: replaced-url
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• 1023[10:13:52] <bites> "The dictionary databases are not included in this package. You have to download bedic-data-4.0.tar.gz from replaced-url
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• 1025[10:14:04] <bites> ^ this is probably the reason why it's in contrib.
• 1026[10:15:26] <babilen> Which probably also means that bedic-data-4.0.tar.gz would have to be included in non-free
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• 1034[10:22:51] <rootkea> bites, babilen replaced-url
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• 1036[10:25:23] <rootkea> Here is that file replaced-url
• 1037[10:25:29] <jelly> rootkea: if a piece of free software is useless without a non-free component, it belongs in contrib
• 1038[10:26:11] <bites> here is the ITP: replaced-url
• 1039[10:27:06] <bites> with the reasoning why it's in contrib.
• 1040[10:28:49] <rootkea> jelly, but where is a non-free component? bedic-data-4.0.tar.gz is realeased under GPLv2
• 1041[10:30:08] <bites> it's still a supplemental package that requires software outside of the distribution to function.
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• 1043[10:32:50] <rootkea> bites, so if bedic-data-4.0.tar.gz were to included in main, cbedic will be moved to main?
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• 1045[10:33:05] <rootkea> *to be
• 1046[10:33:49] <bites> probably, but the maintainer said they were not able to contact upstream, which is a problem. maybe they have woken up by now.
• 1047[10:34:12] <jelly> rootkea: if you can figure out the format or it's a plain text file, you can file a bug report to change the section to main
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• 1049[10:34:49] <jelly> obviously the license changed since 2001 so SOMEONE changed it
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• 1051[10:35:21] <jelly> (and they couldn't unilaterally have changed the license on data they got from someone else)
• 1052[10:37:58] <rootkea> jelly, Since the current license is GPLv2, can bedic-data-4.0.tar.gz be included in main and so as cbedic (from contrib)?
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• 1105[11:41:05] <f-a> hi. is there a way to turn fan off?
• 1106[11:41:17] <f-a> momentarily
• 1107[11:42:14] <ayekat> f-a: pwm files in /sys/class/hwmon perhaps...?
• 1108[11:43:00] <ayekat> <insert mandatory warning about potential damage caused by turning off fans here>
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• 1116[11:52:09] <rootkea> Hello! I have 4 non-free packages installed. I would like to turn off the non-free component completely (editing sources.list) but at the same time would like to receive any updates to these 4 non-free packages. Is there any arrangement which can achieve this?
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• 1123[11:56:01] <rootkea> Sorry, my college wifi sucks! :/
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• 1134[12:09:45] <tuxcrafter> replaced-url
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• 1140[12:11:42] <dgp> tuxcrafter: it's in the 4.17 debian kernel I have
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• 1145[12:12:44] <petn-randall> tuxcrafter: /lib/modules/<kernelver>/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/aquantia/atlantic/atlantic.ko
• 1146[12:13:44] <Fox> tuxcrafter: use stretch-backports kernel, as stated by dgp
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• 1150[12:17:58] <tuxcrafter> replaced-url
• 1151[12:18:10] <tuxcrafter> dgp: petn-randall Fox thanks
• 1152[12:18:19] <tuxcrafter> i must be searching wrong
• 1153[12:18:27] <tuxcrafter> i will install the backport kernel
• 1154[12:20:09] <petn-randall> tuxcrafter: Seems as though the search is broken.
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• 1156[12:20:32] <petn-randall> tuxcrafter: `apt-file search atlantic.ko` also returns the backports kernels for me.
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• 1170[12:42:10] <petn-randall> Which package ships /etc/aliases? `apt-file search /etc/aliases` doesn't return anything. I'm looking for the unchanged version shipped in stretch.
• 1171[12:43:31] <themill> petn-randall: does each mta ship its own?
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• 1174[12:44:51] <petn-randall> themill: I'm not sure. Seems as though it must get created at postinst or something. Purging postfix didn't remove it.
• 1175[12:46:27] <bites> replaced-url
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• 1178[12:47:13] <bites> though the installer also creates a root:<user> entry, i'm not sure at which point.
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• 1180[12:48:07] <themill> you don't get one if you just debootstrap fwiw
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• 1184[12:50:48] <petn-randall> Hmm, deleting /etc/aliases, and installing postfix only gives me a single line in it: 'postmaster: root'
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• 1202[12:59:50] <rootkea> Hello! I have 4 non-free packages installed. I would like to turn off the non-free component completely (editing sources.list) but at the same time would like to continue receiving any updates to these 4 non-free packages. Is there any arrangement which can achieve this?
• 1203[13:00:02] <ksk> rootkea: no.
• 1204[13:00:24] <rootkea> ksk, umm okay. Thanks!
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• 1207[13:00:27] <ksk> why would you want to disable non-free? as long as you dont install (additional) packages, you dont really use it
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• 1209[13:01:14] <ksk> and as far as I can tell, you will not accidentially install something from there, because all the packages in non-free have unique names.
• 1210[13:01:30] <jelly> and nothing in main depends on anything in non-free
• 1211[13:01:34] <ksk> for example, unrar-free vs unrar
• 1212[13:02:56] <rootkea> ksk, I just wanted to keep the Synaptic free from 'non-free' but guess I can always install/not install packages looking at their components
• 1213[13:03:22] <rootkea> And a general apt-cache search gives non-free packages too without any indication
• 1214[13:03:42] <rootkea> So I thought I might endup installing one..
• 1215[13:03:59] <petn-randall> rootkea: "I just wanted to keep the Synaptic free from 'non-free'" <-- I don't know what that would achieve.
• 1216[13:04:37] <rootkea> petn-randall, Please ignore that! I am more worried about apt-cache search and apt-get install
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• 1218[13:05:00] <petn-randall> rootkea: The non-free packages have the section set to non-free, so you might just want to display that in synaptic so you'll easily notice.
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• 1220[13:05:17] <rootkea> petn-randall, I agree.
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• 1223[13:06:03] <rootkea> or if I want to install via command line then look at apt-cache show first which displays the component I guess
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• 1229[13:12:06] <rootkea> I have installed apt-transport-https but when I change security repo scheme from http to https `apt-get update` says "Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 1230[13:12:11] <rootkea> What am I missing?
• 1231[13:12:39] <petn-randall> rootkea: Try opening that link.
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• 1233[13:13:20] <petn-randall> rootkea: What makes you think that the security repo is available over https?
• 1234[13:13:34] <afidegnum> anyone had issue with freecontent.stream ... .wasm virus?
• 1235[13:13:45] <afidegnum> my system is being infected.
• 1236[13:13:47] <afidegnum> i can't trace it,
• 1237[13:13:56] <rootkea> petn-randall, "you can instead use replaced-url
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• 1240[13:16:42] <jelly> rootkea: that's been incorrect for at least a year, not sure if forever
• 1241[13:17:17] <rootkea> jelly, So none of those repo urls work over HTTPS anymore? That's unfortunate.
• 1242[13:17:19] <jelly> afidegnum: how do you know which specific malware it is?
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• 1244[13:17:58] <jelly> rootkea: security.d.o does not. Some normal repos have https access, some do not.
• 1245[13:18:06] <afidegnum> there is drupal website which is infected, even though i removed the infected file
• 1246[13:18:15] <afidegnum> i noticed it kept spenning my cpu fans
• 1247[13:18:20] <jelly> how do you know which specific malware it is?
• 1248[13:18:43] <afidegnum> no but the malware kept pulling content from the posted url
• 1249[13:18:45] <afidegnum> .4
• 1250[13:18:55] <rootkea> jelly, Okay. Maybe wiki should be updated then? Not sure if I can do that but let me see...
• 1251[13:19:55] <jelly> afidegnum: again, HOW can you tell the name of the malware?
• 1252[13:20:17] <rootkea> BTW security.d.o should be the one which gets served over HTTPS. We can care about normal repos later. Don't you think?
• 1253[13:20:36] <afidegnum> i can't gell
• 1254[13:20:38] <afidegnum> tell
• 1255[13:21:11] <jelly> rootkea: the only thing to gain from https is an attacker in the middle cannot see which specific packages your systems are downloading
• 1256[13:21:26] <jelly> so it's not considered a priority
• 1257[13:22:48] <petn-randall> They can, just from looking at the filesize. So there's no benefit, but sysadmins would have to distribute security.debian.org HTTPS certificates over systems they might not control. So likely won't happen.
• 1258[13:23:04] <jelly> I've seen it used for third party and vendor repos that have authentication
• 1259[13:23:18] <rootkea> jelly, I beg to differ. replaced-url
• 1260[13:23:22] <bites> i think you can get it over deb replaced-url
• 1261[13:23:29] <rootkea> Source: replaced-url
• 1262[13:23:44] <jelly> rootkea: Valid-Until prevents replay
• 1263[13:24:00] <jelly> you get a warning if a signature is outdated
• 1264[13:25:19] <jelly> rootkea: how old is that paper? It's likely Valid-Until has been added specifically to address that bit
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• 1266[13:26:12] <jelly> rootkea: there's a brief description in Check-Valid-Until in apt.conf(5)
• 1267[13:26:41] <petn-randall> It's from 2008, so a bit dated in computer terms.
• 1268[13:26:47] <jelly> well. Technically s/prevents/mitigates/
• 1269[13:26:48] <rootkea> jelly, Thanks for Check-Valid-Until I'm reading more up on it!
• 1270[13:27:03] <jelly> because it can slow down things for 14 days
• 1271[13:27:59] <petn-randall> I'm sure it's quite low for s.d.o
• 1272[13:28:40] <jelly> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:32:32 UTC
• 1273[13:28:40] <jelly> Valid-Until: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 20:32:32 UTC
• 1274[13:29:12] <petn-randall> Yeah, just checked myself. 10 days is still quite a lot.
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• 1277[13:29:59] <rootkea> jelly, "but the feature depends on the correctness of the clock on the user system." I still think grabbing HTTPS cert from Let's Encrypt is not that of a big deal!
• 1278[13:30:01] <jelly> if you worry that much, just put your clock 8 days ahead :-)
• 1279[13:30:40] <jelly> rootkea: I'm not sure the CDNs carrying security.d.o are ready to accept LE certs into their infra
• 1280[13:31:30] <petn-randall> rootkea: That's not how it works, you don't understand the issue.
• 1281[13:31:54] <peterandre> hi, after 50 days of uptime my gnome shell locks ups (is there a way to relaunch it without rebooting?) i tried systemctl restart gdm3 but that doesnt help
• 1282[13:32:04] <jelly> rootkea: debian.org does not control the web services on the mirrors directly
• 1283[13:32:28] <bites> so use deb.debian.org and have ssl up to the cdn ingest, i guess.
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• 1285[13:33:03] <afidegnum> what's the command for killing processes?
• 1286[13:33:16] <afidegnum> mine seems not to work
• 1287[13:33:18] <afidegnum> kill -9 12
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• 1289[13:33:38] <rootkea> petn-randall, Could you please elaborate more? :)
• 1290[13:33:50] <rootkea> bites, let me check.
• 1291[13:33:53] <ksk> afidegnum: 12 is probably not a valid processID
• 1292[13:34:19] <afidegnum> but i saw it in ps -A
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• 1294[13:34:36] <ksk> afidegnum: you might consider a) reinstalling the system b) getting hands on help from a competent sysadmin
• 1295[13:34:39] <rootkea> jelly, But even normal repos have mirrors and still they are being served over HTTPS
• 1296[13:34:40] <jelly> afidegnum: use pkill to select and kill a process by name and by user/uid
• 1297[13:34:41] <petn-randall> rootkea: There is not one security.debian.org server. There are dozens of mirrors. Not all are or need to be in control of the security team.
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• 1299[13:35:05] <jelly> rootkea: some are, yes, some are not
• 1300[13:35:35] <petn-randall> rootkea: The security from apt comes from thorough GPG signature checking. HTTPS certificates can easily be faked and add no security.
• 1301[13:35:44] <jelly> I know I did not enable a ssl vhost on our mirror
• 1302[13:35:51] <bites> the ssl is terminated at cdn level, if you use the cdn, no?
• 1303[13:36:07] <jelly> yes
• 1304[13:36:25] <petn-randall> rootkea: Do you trust *all* of the 800+ CAs in the world? Some have even issued fake certificates in the past. The whole security model of apt bases on that HTTPS *cannot* be trusted.
• 1305[13:37:15] <jelly> I thought we covered that bit, and established the one useful security feature https brought to the tabble
• 1306[13:37:21] <rootkea> petn-randall, But do you agree HTTPS along side GPS sig checking is better?
• 1307[13:37:50] <jelly> rootkea: no, the only thing better is a MITM can't directly see which packages you're downloading
• 1308[13:38:16] <jelly> and they can delay patches for 10 days
• 1309[13:38:44] <rootkea> jelly, which is enough for Spectre/Meltdown kinda scenario ;)
• 1310[13:38:52] <petn-randall> rootkea: no.
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• 1312[13:39:34] <petn-randall> jelly: They *can* see which packages you're downloading, by looking at the size. There's also been talks on the CCC that this is practical and already done.
• 1313[13:39:36] <jelly> rootkea: if you want to protect from a targeted spear attack against your services, you WILL have to think a lot bigger than 10 day delay in Debian repos
• 1314[13:40:05] <petn-randall> You can pin it lower yourself, at the risk of getting errors when s.d.o doesn't update fast enough.
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• 1316[13:40:06] <rootkea> Anyways, thanks folks! I don't think I have anything substantial to add to the conversation. Thanks for all the info :)
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• 1318[13:41:30] <jelly> best let apt add padding and better timing, then!
• 1319[13:41:51] <jelly> or let rootkea use apt-transport-tor
• 1320[13:42:28] <rootkea> jelly, I find tor to be particularly slow so I'm not sure..
• 1321[13:42:56] <jelly> I thought you wanted secure, "slow" is secondary
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• 1323[13:43:26] <jelly> nothing stops you from setting up your own security.d.o mirror.
• 1324[13:43:28] <rootkea> And how "slow" is secure HTTP compared to plain HTTP? ;)
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• 1327[13:44:44] <ksk> https vs http? should not be reasonably slower on a non 1980 machine..
• 1328[13:45:06] <jelly> rootkea: it doesn't matter how slow it is if it's not secure
• 1329[13:45:31] <moussa> the 80's
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• 1331[13:46:11] <rootkea> jelly, Okay I see your point. GPG already promises the integrity of packages so we don't need HTTPS.
• 1332[13:46:45] <rootkea> And apparently replay attacks can be mitigated by Valid-untill (I've not read on that)
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• 1334[13:47:52] <Emil> stopping replay attacks requires the receiver to keep state
• 1335[13:49:09] <rootkea> But doesn't user deserve privacy regarding which packages they download? A practical issue can be I see you haven't downloaded foo update yet so it tells me your system is vulnerable and an easy target
• 1336[13:49:09] <rootkea> Saves my time!
• 1337[13:49:11] <Emil> this can be a counter, hash, or something similar. Time is only useful for certain applications
• 1338[13:49:29] <rootkea> I = ISP/ MIM
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• 1342[13:50:08] <ksk> he left the channel? I would think if you have a MITM snooping on you on that level, you have other problems.
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• 1344[13:50:43] <rootkea> ksk, my Internet connection sucks. Sorry!
• 1345[13:51:01] <ksk> np, I just dont see joins/quits etc over here
• 1346[13:51:05] <afidegnum> jelly: this is the nature of the malware i m having replaced-url
• 1347[13:51:35] <ksk> afidegnum: that link does not work without javascript, why not use paste.debian.org?
• 1348[13:51:42] <ksk> oh, its a png, nevermind :o
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• 1351[13:54:18] <ksk> afidegnum: removing malware from your CMS/webinstall is not really scope of this channel here
• 1352[13:54:22] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> hello, do you know if firefox in debian supports x264?
• 1353[13:54:32] <rootkea> ksk, agree there might be other problems. But why give/take the chance? Why not use HTTPS instead? #privacy
• 1354[13:54:32] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> mkv, avi, mp4
• 1355[13:54:37] <ksk> and depending on the malware I can tell you it can be hard to do so.
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• 1357[13:54:59] <ksk> Ryz3qdsfW4go: Id just assume yes. would suprise me if otherwise :)
• 1358[13:55:19] <jelly> afidegnum: so it's just a file on the web that runs something in your browser?
• 1359[13:56:16] <ksk> afidegnum: best approach would be to restore a clean backup, and fix the apps vulnerability that was exploited.
• 1360[13:56:25] <jelly> rootkea: which can be solved by you having a complete mirror of security.d.o
• 1361[13:56:57] <rootkea> jelly, Sure! But we are not going to suggest this to every Debian user now. Are we? ;)
• 1362[13:57:18] <jelly> no, we're going to suggest that to people to care about targeted attacks
• 1363[13:57:26] <jelly> s/to care/who care/
• 1364[13:57:28] <afidegnum> jelly: apparently
• 1365[13:57:45] <jelly> rootkea: because that MITM pretty much has to be targeted, innit
• 1366[13:58:04] <rootkea> I think we already have wiki page replaced-url
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• 1368[13:59:05] <jelly> afidegnum: so disable upload features on your web site, or limit them to known authenticated users, or make sure in some other way pages can't be changed by unauth users
• 1369[13:59:45] <jelly> afidegnum: what you're looking at right now is just the payload. The exploit happened earlier, look at access.logs
• 1370[14:00:14] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> in terms of a good replacement for KDE but not bloated...is xfce or mate better?
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• 1372[14:03:12] <rootkea> Ryz3qdsfW4go, That's subjective. I use xfce and I like it!
• 1373[14:03:43] <afidegnum> ok
• 1374[14:04:31] <jasabella> you know there are live disks of both right?
• 1375[14:05:07] <rootkea> Ryz3qdsfW4go, maybe you should give a go to both of them. Use both for a while. See what you like, what you don't.
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• 1377[14:06:12] <jasabella> can probably even boot them up in a vm too
• 1378[14:06:21] <jasabella> run them side-by-side
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• 1385[14:10:45] <jelly> or just install both on the same system, it's allowed to have gnome, kde, xfce, mate and lxde installed AT THE SAME TIME
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• 1390[14:14:38] <abrotman> jelly: NOWAI?
• 1391[14:16:03] <EdePopede> only without vm side-by-side would request a second running instance of X. is there an official method to start one or is this simply start$loginmanager from a tty?
• 1392[14:16:43] <EdePopede> uhm. s/loginmanager/displaymanager/
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• 1396[14:19:37] <EdePopede> in its description lightdm recommends xserver-xephyr, would this be a true alternative?
• 1397[14:21:06] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> when installing debian, do you leave the root password empty?
• 1398[14:21:20] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> it says in the installed it is not recommended......but I see conflicting results
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• 1400[14:22:29] <petn-randall> Ryz3qdsfW4go: If you don't set it, it will be disabled, and your first user you add will automatically belong to the sudo group.
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• 1404[14:23:58] <jelly> and you'll have issues if you get into a situation where you need actual root
• 1405[14:25:28] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> so I need to install apt-get sudo and then adduser user1 sudo right?
• 1406[14:26:21] <abrotman> only if you want to use sudo
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• 1408[14:26:35] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> how else would I install packages and configure?
• 1409[14:26:39] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> su?
• 1410[14:26:42] <abrotman> use 'su'
• 1411[14:26:47] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i've read it's bad practice
• 1412[14:26:49] <abrotman> or `su -`
• 1413[14:26:59] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> because you can be acidentally sued and not realize it
• 1414[14:27:08] <abrotman> if you're going to use "sudo su -" .. does it matter?
• 1415[14:27:41] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i always use sudo command
• 1416[14:27:47] <abrotman> which sudo command?
• 1417[14:27:48] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> haven't used sudo su -
• 1418[14:27:54] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> sudo apt-get, sudo nano config file
• 1419[14:27:56] <abrotman> so you're typing "sudo apt-get install foo" ?
• 1420[14:28:00] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> yeah
• 1421[14:28:05] <abrotman> and do you make it type a password each time?
• 1422[14:28:17] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> most times, sometimes it remembers for a short duration
• 1423[14:28:27] <abrotman> so, you could just forget and run a bad command?
• 1424[14:28:37] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> yes but best practice... heh
• 1425[14:28:45] <abrotman> Or, just be a smarter person
• 1426[14:29:02] <abrotman> I'm not saying either is better, but neither is foolproof ...
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• 1429[14:29:18] <clackety> I only login to root
• 1430[14:29:23] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> lol
• 1431[14:29:24] <abrotman> Both allow one to shoot off your foot, or take your whole leg
• 1432[14:29:54] <abrotman> If you're in a multi-user platform, and you only allow certain users to run certain sudo commands, that's a bit different
• 1433[14:29:55] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> yeah all the guides and tutorials recommend using sudo
• 1434[14:29:59] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> yeah
• 1435[14:30:06] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i guess I'll use su too then
• 1436[14:30:07] <abrotman> yes, guides written for NOOBS! :)
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• 1440[14:31:58] <petn-randall> The True Way™ is to understand the underlying issue, and then decide for yourself.
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• 1448[14:34:36] <tw> what does screensaver cycle time mean in xorg?
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• 1450[14:35:49] <clackety> petn-randall, couldn't agree more. I think you need to add the little circle R for registered trademark :)
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• 1452[14:36:36] <tw> I'm reading the screensaver extension protocol docs and it just says "clients requesting the screensaverevent will receive screensavercycle after every interval." So is this just up to the implementing applications' discretion what to do after recieving the event?
• 1453[14:36:51] <Lachezar> Hey all. After some time checking why Docker does not start after my server's restart I noticed, that 'systemctl get-default' is 'graphical.target', while the 'docker.service' is 'WantedBy=multi-user.target'
• 1454[14:36:57] <petn-randall> The True Way℠™®©℗ is to understand the underlying issue, and then decide for yourself.
• 1455[14:37:24] <clackety> there we go, that's how we do it in todays age of intellectual property lol
• 1456[14:37:30] <Lachezar> Should I ask the system admin to switch the default from 'graphical.target' to 'multi-user.target'? The server has no console anyway.
• 1457[14:37:45] <tw> My goal is to make xss-lock/i3lock not lock the screen until after 30 seconds of blanking.
• 1458[14:38:10] <tw> I feel like one of those two should be able to handle that for me.
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• 1461[14:41:16] <clackety> Lachezar, graphical.target is run level 5 which is after multi-user.target
• 1462[14:41:36] <Lachezar> clackety: So how come docker.service does not start then?
• 1463[14:41:49] <clackety> what does the status say?
• 1464[14:41:54] <clackety> systemctl status docker
• 1465[14:43:27] <Lachezar> clackety: 'Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/docker.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)' 'Active: inactive (dead)'
• 1466[14:43:41] <clackety> well there's your problem
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• 1468[14:43:45] <clackety> its disabled
• 1469[14:43:59] <clackety> systemctl enable docker && systemctl start docker
• 1470[14:44:08] <clackety> the enable ensures it starts at boot
• 1471[14:44:08] <Lachezar> Huh? How did that happen?
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• 1475[14:45:19] * Lachezar curses systemd. And gives up.
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• 1479[14:47:02] <clackety> lol
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• 1498[14:55:55] <petn-randall> Surely it's systemd's fault that the sysadmin manually disabled the service.
• 1499[14:56:20] <greycat> !blame systemd
• 1500[14:56:20] * dpkg blames gigetoo and systemd for the end of the world as we know it
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• 1502[14:56:49] <rootkea> Hello! An hour ago we were having a discussion about whether debian-security repo be served over HTTPS or not, how HTTPS doesn't add anything as we already have GPG verification and so on. Turn out Debian already serves debian-security over HTTPS. It's just that repo url mentioned at replaced-url
• 1503[14:56:49] <rootkea> One needs to use replaced-url
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• 1507[14:57:22] <greycat> A drive-by endumbening.
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• 1509[14:57:39] <rootkea> Sample sources.list is at replaced-url
• 1510[14:57:43] <greycat> oh look, it's back
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• 1512[14:58:06] <greycat> any more bad advice? gosh, I sure want my squid proxy that I set up explicitly to cache .deb files to be even LESS effective.
• 1513[14:58:08] <petn-randall> rootkea: Try not to disconnect directly after writing in here.
• 1514[14:58:28] <rootkea> petn-randall, I didn't disconnect. It's my connection
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• 1516[14:58:56] <petn-randall> I see.
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• 1519[15:00:19] <rootkea> greycat, how's using HTTPS is a bad advice? (assuming you were calling that a bad advice)
• 1520[15:00:33] <greycat> It destroys your ability to cache the .deb files in a proxy.
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• 1522[15:00:42] <greycat> It slows things down for no reason.
• 1523[15:00:47] <themill> your edit to that wiki page also now implies that a broken URL will work
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• 1526[15:01:23] <rootkea> greycat, so for an ordinary user like me who doesn't cache .deb files how's using HTTPS a bad advice
• 1527[15:01:46] <greycat> It still slows things down for no reason.
• 1528[15:01:56] <themill> a better question is "how is it good advice", but that discussion has already been had here
• 1529[15:02:11] <rootkea> themill, actually I can't seem to edit that wiki page.
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• 1531[15:02:59] <themill> that's because I'm fixing up the incorrect info
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• 1533[15:03:42] <rootkea> themill, we are forgetting one thing. It's no longer a question whether to serve debian-security over HTTPS or not. It's been done!
• 1534[15:03:48] <rootkea> themill, Thanks! :)
• 1535[15:03:55] <themill> that's been true for a few years
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• 1537[15:04:07] <rootkea> themill, apparently not an hour ago ;)
• 1538[15:04:14] <greycat> petn-randall tells me that I am not supposed to flame idiots here, no matter how dumb they are being... so, today is your lucky day
• 1539[15:04:29] <themill> sure, since as long as deb.debian.org has been available and on some unofficial mirrors before that
• 1540[15:04:38] <clackety> I think the point here is that utilizing https doesn't add any benefit, and in some cases is a detriment
• 1541[15:04:46] <themill> being available doesn't mean that it's a good idea
• 1542[15:05:06] <themill> I have an effing big hammer here but I normally show restraint on using it on non-nail-related problems
• 1543[15:05:15] <rootkea> greycat, Ignoring "dumb" and "idiot" if you could share any insight that would be great! :)
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• 1545[15:05:32] <clackety> if you're worried about someone watching your traffic and snooping on what packages you're downloading, my question is, what are you doing that is so secret lol
• 1546[15:05:42] <clackety> I can't think of any other reason https would be useful
• 1547[15:05:53] <greycat> word might get out that he is a secret emacs user
• 1548[15:05:57] <themill> it's easy enough to work out what the package was over https too, so say the people who do those things
• 1549[15:06:08] <clackety> i believe it, themill
• 1550[15:06:39] <rootkea> clackety, Ah so let's stop serving Debian repos serving over HTTPS? Not sure what exactly you want here.
• 1551[15:06:50] <themill> "Oh look, it connected to the debian archive and got a byte stream that was $size just after $dsa was issued, let me contemplate that for a few milliseconds"
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• 1553[15:07:29] <clackety> rootkea, who said anything about stopping anything? simply pointed out, there is no valid reason to use it
• 1554[15:07:57] <rootkea> so no valid reason for the hassle of setting up HTTPS?
• 1555[15:08:24] <clackety> what are you getting at?
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• 1557[15:09:22] <rootkea> clackety, I'm saying the repos are being served over HTTPS and that's a good thing. Let them use with HTTPS if anybody wants.
• 1558[15:09:35] <petn-randall> Urgh, here we go again.
• 1559[15:09:39] <clackety> rootkea why is it a good thing?
• 1560[15:09:50] <themill> rootkea: let's not go over this entire discussion yet again. Thanks.
• 1561[15:09:55] <rootkea> Okay so a bad thing
• 1562[15:10:00] <rootkea> themill, I agree.
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• 1564[15:10:14] <themill> Yes, it's about as much fun as arguing about init systems, and we don't do that either.
• 1565[15:10:36] <greycat> never ever ever. yeah.
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• 1568[15:11:37] <rootkea> Guess we are done here. But for future reference debian-security is served over HTTPS. The url is replaced-url
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• 1570[15:13:30] <rootkea> And if you think that's not a good thing i.e. a bad thing, consider talking to webmasters at debian.org. (or is it ftpmaster?)
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• 1572[15:14:14] <themill> please stop, you are still failing to understand that there is a third and more relevant option which is "meh"
• 1573[15:14:24] <clackety> themill +1
• 1574[15:14:46] <rootkea> Okay.
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• 1578[15:21:40] <DevAntoine> Hi
• 1579[15:21:46] <DevAntoine> Is it only for me or deb.debian.org/debian is down?
• 1580[15:21:58] <greycat> It's not a single host.
• 1581[15:22:20] <greycat> Sometimes it points you at a bad mirror, and then you curse it and switch to replaced-url
• 1582[15:22:39] <DevAntoine> greycat: well, when I try to build a Docker image it fails each time :/
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• 1585[15:23:10] <DevAntoine> greycat: or maybe it's some sort of cache issue because it seems it always resolve to replaced-url
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• 1589[15:23:27] <themill> yes, deb.d.o points to one of a couple of CDNs and if they are down, half the internet is
• 1590[15:23:38] <DonVlad> what's the difference between "update" and "upgrade"?
• 1591[15:23:40] <themill> (i.e. they're not down)
• 1592[15:23:51] <greycat> apt-get update simply downloads the most recent lists of packages
• 1593[15:24:03] <greycat> apt-get upgrade actually downloads packages (if you confirm, if there are any, etc.)
• 1594[15:24:25] <DonVlad> oh
• 1595[15:24:34] <DonVlad> thanks
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• 1611[15:35:14] <martin-_-_> hi I got a usb HDD which has a system partition and some additional ext3 partitions. I want to mount one of this partitions. How would I do that?
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• 1613[15:35:29] <martin-_-_> mount -a doesn't work in my case
• 1614[15:35:40] <martin-_-_> mount displays my usb hdd with /dev/sda1 on /USB/USB_HDD_2_1 type ext3 (rw,noatime,acl,data=journal)
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• 1616[15:38:15] <EdePopede> martin-_-_ does the partition in question have a `noauto` in fstab? if it isn't even mentioned there, you need a `mount WHAT WHERE HOW` command
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• 1619[15:40:21] <martin-_-_> EdePopede as I understand the usb hdddrive isn't listed in the fstab
• 1620[15:41:15] <EdePopede> then you need the long version of the command. or you add it, but then without `noauto` if you want an automount
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• 1624[15:41:49] <martin-_-_> I also don't know how I should mount it, as I don't know where the partition is. I don't see them in dev
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• 1626[15:42:18] <EdePopede> mount never used fstab.d directory, which is not even present any more, am i right?
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• 1628[15:42:53] <mvaenskae> if i do a debootstrap as per here replaced-url
• 1629[15:42:54] <martin-_-_> yes EdePopede
• 1630[15:42:57] <EdePopede> then look through fdisk -l (and probably also into /dev/disk)
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• 1635[15:44:20] <EdePopede> martin-_-_: you have a mount directory /USB? just asking because of FHS
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• 1637[15:44:35] <mvaenskae> i would basically like to do a second install (stretch) while my buster is running to have "zero downtime"
• 1638[15:44:44] <martin-_-_> yes EdePopede
• 1639[15:44:52] <martin-_-_> replaced-url
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• 1641[15:45:18] <martin-_-_> I can see the content of the system dir of ls /USB_HDD_2_1/ -lah
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• 1643[15:45:57] <martin-_-_> replaced-url
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• 1646[15:46:33] <EdePopede> c and a look like twins, e is unused so far
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• 1648[15:46:52] <martin-_-_> but the interesting part is missing ls /USB_HDD_2_1/backup
• 1649[15:47:15] <EdePopede> what partition is mounted there?
• 1650[15:47:16] <DevAntoine> Is there a way to flush whatever cache is being used for resolving DNS?
• 1651[15:47:17] <martin-_-_> test
• 1652[15:47:23] <DevAntoine> I really need to build this Docker image.
• 1653[15:47:58] <EdePopede> martin-_-_ -> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jan 27 2013 backup -> /c/backup
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• 1655[15:48:07] <EdePopede> it is pointing to your REAL root directory
• 1656[15:48:13] <martin-_-_> the partition /c/backup is already mounted. That's why I can't see the content of /USB_HDD_2_1/backup
• 1657[15:48:22] <EdePopede> if you use mc, it should show a broken link
• 1658[15:48:56] <martin-_-_> I haven't a mc command - crap
• 1659[15:49:28] <EdePopede> no, just a (erm... THE for me) file manager, no problem
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• 1661[15:50:21] <EdePopede> your /USB_HDD_2_1/backup points to /c/backup, while you also have a /USB_HDD_2_1/c
• 1662[15:50:31] <martin-_-_> yes EdePopede
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• 1664[15:50:52] <EdePopede> are the links supposed to point into your real root?
• 1665[15:51:07] <martin-_-_> no
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• 1670[15:51:47] <martin-_-_> I mean for the not connected sda its fine that it's pointing to /c/media or whatever for the USB_HDD I don't want to point to the real dir
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• 1672[15:52:27] <EdePopede> since they are in the mounted root anyway than maybe you should change them to ln -s c/$sub $sub (after cd'ing into the mounted root)
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• 1675[15:53:11] <martin-_-_> this will modify the data of the usb sda right?
• 1676[15:53:14] <EdePopede> so sdc is your system?
• 1677[15:53:39] <EdePopede> unless you use a live fs, yes.
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• 1679[15:54:31] <martin-_-_> I guess /dev/hdc is my intern hdd and /dev/hde is my usb hdd
• 1680[15:54:33] <EdePopede> but if it works like this, ok. only take care with absolute links and mounted filesystems ;)
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• 1682[15:55:32] <martin-_-_> I can't modify the usb hdd, because it will break things, If I remove the usb2hdd adapter and I reinsert the hdd into the NAS
• 1683[15:55:32] <EdePopede> what does `mount | grep ^/` say or `findmnt`?
• 1684[15:55:51] <EdePopede> ah ok
• 1685[15:56:22] <martin-_-_> replaced-url
• 1686[15:56:37] <martin-_-_> findmnt isn't installed
• 1687[15:57:01] <EdePopede> line 3: /dev/c/c
• 1688[15:57:02] <EdePopede> uh?
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• 1692[15:57:47] <martin-_-_> ah
• 1693[15:57:50] <martin-_-_> I try that one
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• 1695[15:58:26] <martin-_-_> ls /dev/c/c -lah lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jul 28 23:49 /dev/c/c -> /dev/mapper/c-c
• 1696[15:58:29] <EdePopede> what is it anyway? didn't use lvm or raid so far, only it looks strange to me
• 1697[15:58:29] <martin-_-_> gna
• 1698[15:58:58] <martin-_-_> honestly, I don't know :/
• 1699[15:59:07] <EdePopede> i only have control in mapper, char 10,236
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• 1701[15:59:23] <EdePopede> when was it created? could give a hint where it comes from
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• 1709[16:01:46] <martin-_-_> it looks like it's the additional partition of /dev/hdc . as I know /dev/hdc should have the system partition with the Debian os and addition file partition which is supposed to be called "c" which contains the folder media, backup, and so on
• 1710[16:02:15] <martin-_-_> this folder are however mounted or pointed from the system partition to the data partition
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• 1712[16:03:14] <martin-_-_> The usb hdd has exactly the same folder and partition structure
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• 1719[16:06:21] <EdePopede> you should have sdc{1,2,3,5} for these
• 1720[16:07:32] <EdePopede> maybe raid/lvm, but i got no idea there
• 1721[16:07:42] <martin-_-_> hm
• 1722[16:08:01] <EdePopede> but i'd wonder would they create a directory c in /dev
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• 1724[16:10:42] <EdePopede> hm, german archlinux wiki says: a logical volume in volume group "tank" named "lvol-root" is in /dev/tank/lvol-root. so it seems legit.
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• 1726[16:11:29] <EdePopede> i see potential collisions with this naming system Oo
• 1727[16:11:35] <greycat> If he created a volume group named "c", yes, that would do it.
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• 1729[16:12:23] <EdePopede> you surely know more about lvm, got some time? :)
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• 1731[16:12:38] <greycat> Start with vgdisplay?
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• 1752[16:31:12] <jelly> EdePopede: look at ouptut of "lvs" and "vgs" (ran as root)
• 1753[16:31:25] <jelly> run*
• 1754[16:31:54] <EdePopede> jelly: martin-_-_ is the one, i don't have lvm/raid (yet)
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• 1756[16:32:09] <greycat> he seems to have gone silent
• 1757[16:32:17] <jelly> EdePopede: I'll trust that whem I see the output
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• 1760[16:32:30] <jelly> but yeah martin-_-_
• 1761[16:32:53] <EdePopede> jelly: both give me "command not found" ;)
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• 1763[16:32:59] <jelly> :-)
• 1764[16:33:02] * EdePopede even partitions his 4TB-HDs
• 1765[16:33:38] <jelly> sudo pvs ... /dev/sdc tosh lvm2 a-- 2.73t 1.73t
• 1766[16:33:50] <jelly> partitions are for cowards!
• 1767[16:34:03] <EdePopede> nah, just paranoid
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• 1770[16:34:46] <jelly> and sometimes even
• 1771[16:34:48] <jelly> /dev/sdc 193G 175G 13G 94% /mnt/users-2
• 1772[16:34:51] <EdePopede> i think i had a partition with no journaling on one of my disks and regular system hangs
• 1773[16:35:00] <EdePopede> fsck at boot was horrible
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• 1779[16:39:45] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: replaced-url
• 1780[16:40:09] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: lvm tutorial
• 1781[16:40:10] <dpkg> IBM developerWorks article on LVM2 (2007): replaced-url
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• 1784[16:41:42] <EdePopede> good old howtos. really no updates since 2015? :(
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• 1786[16:42:07] <EdePopede> jhutchins_wk: is gone
• 1787[16:42:11] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: What do you imagine would have changed?
• 1788[16:42:40] <Ool> lvm2 is not young
• 1789[16:42:46] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: Ah, so it is.
• 1790[16:44:00] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: Try this: replaced-url
• 1791[16:44:13] <EdePopede> jhutchins_wk: i think i didn't read any of them in years now, so no idea atm. i only expect things to change. xorg.conf, MAKEDEV, /dev/sd* instead of /dev/hd* etc.
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• 1824[17:09:54] <no_gravity> For years, I had the time in the lower right of Gnu Screen. But I don't need it. What else could I put there that is useful?
• 1825[17:10:30] <Habbie> no_gravity, how about.. nothing?
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• 1829[17:10:57] <no_gravity> Habbie: Hm... could be an option.
• 1830[17:11:10] <Habbie> no_gravity, or is this a line you've already "lost" to window titles etc.?
• 1831[17:11:22] <no_gravity> What do you mean?
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• 1833[17:11:57] <Habbie> was the clock sitting 'over' your terminal? or is the space really empty now?
• 1834[17:12:33] <no_gravity> ''over' my terminal'?
• 1835[17:12:41] <Habbie> nevermind, it's not important :)
• 1836[17:13:05] <no_gravity> I wonder what my hardstatus string even means.
• 1837[17:13:15] <no_gravity> It is this:
• 1838[17:13:23] <no_gravity> hardstatus string '%{= dW}%-Lw%{= dY}%50> %n*%f %t%{= dW}%+Lw%< %{= dW}%-=%D %m/
• 1839[17:13:36] <greycat> ask #screen
• 1840[17:13:59] <no_gravity> greycat: Good idea.
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• 1843[17:15:51] <no_gravity> Habbie: Without the time, I don't have an indication where on the right the terminal ends.
• 1844[17:15:55] <no_gravity> That makes me feel a bit lost.
• 1845[17:16:00] <Habbie> aha
• 1846[17:16:03] <no_gravity> So I would like to put *something* there.
• 1847[17:16:07] <Habbie> |
• 1848[17:16:12] <empty_string> I put a window list there
• 1849[17:16:14] <greycat> How about the time?
• 1850[17:16:29] <no_gravity> empty_string: I think I have a window list on the lower left.
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• 1852[17:16:37] <empty_string> the hostname is a decent choice
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• 1854[17:17:10] <no_gravity> empty_string: Good idea. Let me try that...
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• 1857[17:17:46] <no_gravity> empty_string: Do you know how?
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• 1860[17:18:13] <empty_string> %H I think
• 1861[17:18:14] <dselect> Don't think. Find out.
• 1862[17:18:28] <empty_string> >.>
• 1863[17:18:43] <empty_string> "man screen" has a complete list of %-escapes
• 1864[17:19:38] <no_gravity> empty_string: '>.>' just displays >.> here.
• 1865[17:19:45] <empty_string> oh I'm sorry, that was at dselect
• 1866[17:19:50] <empty_string> %H is for hostname
• 1867[17:20:18] <greycat> >.> was a smiley, emoticon, emoji, whatever you want to call it. Not a suggested syntax.
• 1868[17:20:28] <no_gravity> empty_string: Cool, %H works!
• 1869[17:20:38] <no_gravity> greycat: I am from Germany. We don't have emotions here.
• 1870[17:20:53] <greycat> Not even angst?
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• 1872[17:21:17] <no_gravity> greycat: Our only expression of emotions is 'Cool!' which means 'Great, no emotions!'.
• 1873[17:21:48] <Habbie> germany is so german that 'enjoy your dinner' is translated as 'meal'
• 1874[17:22:17] <no_gravity> empty_string: Do you know how to make it appear on the right side?
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• 1877[17:22:34] <empty_string> that's a good question, there's some magic escape you can use for that too
• 1878[17:23:08] <empty_string> it appears to be %= followed by whatever you want on the right side
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• 1880[17:23:31] <no_gravity> Yay, awesome!
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• 1882[17:23:50] <no_gravity> But it's a bit confusing.
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• 1884[17:23:59] <empty_string> although painful it's definitely worth reading through the manpage sometime and picking out exactly what you want for your statusline
• 1885[17:24:06] <no_gravity> When I ssh into another host, I still see the original hostname.
• 1886[17:24:19] <no_gravity> So that could lead to desasters :)
• 1887[17:24:20] <empty_string> I also keep hostname in my prompt
• 1888[17:24:38] <no_gravity> So hostname is not what I will put there. Hm...
• 1889[17:24:40] <empty_string> and change the prompt color when I'm on a remote machine
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• 1894[17:27:36] <no_gravity> 'Session Name' would at least be sometimes useful. Bur super rarely.
• 1895[17:28:28] <no_gravity> Strange, %s is supposed to be 'window size' but it gives me seconds.
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• 1897[17:31:05] <empty_string> maybe it goes through strftime first
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• 1901[17:32:11] <no_gravity> I tried all escape codes and came up with nothing useful and stylish :)
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• 1903[17:33:02] <empty_string> if you want, here's mine: hardstatus string "%{= .}%{= dC}%c:%s%{-} %{= dg}%H%{=b dy} [%l] %=%{= dd}(%-w%{=ub dd}%n %t%{= .}%+w)"
• 1904[17:33:06] <empty_string> don't ask how it works :P
• 1905[17:33:19] <empty_string> I wrote it 4 years ago and haven't touched it since
• 1906[17:33:34] <EdePopede> own development or copypaste and adapted?
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• 1908[17:33:39] <empty_string> that's my own
• 1909[17:33:44] <no_gravity> empty_string: Uh oh, you even have seconds :)
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• 1911[17:33:53] <EdePopede> wow. i stole one and changed it until it was somehow useful
• 1912[17:33:58] <empty_string> I was bored on a bus
• 1913[17:34:01] <empty_string> otherwise I would've done that too
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• 1916[17:34:30] <no_gravity> empty_string: What are the yellow numbers?
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• 1918[17:35:37] <no_gravity> Is it system load?
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• 1922[17:38:53] <no_gravity> It seems to be system load when screen was started.
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• 1924[17:39:23] <no_gravity> Oh, it updates somehow...
• 1925[17:39:40] <no_gravity> It's nice but that seems computationally expensive.
• 1926[17:39:52] <greycat> how often does it update?
• 1927[17:39:53] <Habbie> if you had something to monitor system load
• 1928[17:39:55] <Habbie> you could verify this :D
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• 1930[17:40:37] <no_gravity> Yup, it is.
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• 1934[17:43:13] <jelly> "my loadavg applet is eating 100% cpu, help"
• 1935[17:43:44] <no_gravity> jelly: You need the 'loadavg applet stress reducer plugin'.
• 1936[17:44:33] <jelly> if it's smart and Linux-specific enough to read from /proc on its own instead of forking a process it won't be expensive
• 1937[17:44:39] <greycat> download more CPU
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• 1939[17:46:01] <jelly> greycat: you're kidding, but I just applied L1TF patches on a vendor hypervisor kernel, and their solution is "if load after these patches eats too much CPU%, go buy more hardware"
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• 2020[18:30:53] <phantomcircuit> i dont seem to have most manpages
• 2021[18:31:03] <phantomcircuit> `man select` for example
• 2022[18:31:13] <greycat> install manpages-dev
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• 2052[18:56:11] <mefistof1les> if I want to add/change an ENV variable for all the users in teh system should I do it in /etc/bash.bashrc ? or what's the recomended file for that in debian?
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• 2054[18:57:22] <greycat> What variable, and what content? Does the content need to depend on the value of $HOME or any other per-user variable?
• 2055[18:57:30] <n_1-c_k> mefistof1les: /etc/environment works for that I think
• 2056[18:57:52] <mefistof1les> it's actually the PATH variable
• 2057[18:58:05] <mefistof1les> greycat: it doesn't depend on home
• 2058[18:58:11] <mefistof1les> or such user-related variables
• 2059[18:58:41] <greycat> Then it depends on the previous value of PATH, right? You wanted to add something to the existing PATH?
• 2060[18:58:48] <mefistof1les> greycat: yep
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• 2062[18:59:12] <greycat> Then you're basically shafted. There is no universal way to set a variable at login that depends on another variable (even itself).
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• 2064[18:59:40] <greycat> You can use /etc/profile to get logins that use an sh-family shell (including ssh), but that misses (t)csh and Display Manager logins.
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• 2066[19:00:50] <mefistof1les> greycat: ok, thanks, I will do it in the user's bashrc then
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• 2068[19:01:07] <mefistof1les> it's only two users
• 2069[19:01:21] <greycat> bashrc only works for bash users who open a terminal, or who user a shell-based login (ssh, console)
• 2070[19:01:40] <greycat> Does this variable need to affect GUI programs that are launched without using a terminal?
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• 2072[19:02:21] <mefistof1les> greycat: it does
• 2073[19:02:58] <greycat> Then you can't use .bashrc either. You need to put it in a file that will be read during the user's login. How does the user login?
• 2074[19:03:11] <greycat> If it's a DM login (GUI login), try ~/.xsessionrc
• 2075[19:03:18] <greycat> If it's a shell login, /etc/profile
• 2076[19:03:21] <mefistof1les> ok, yes, it's through lughtDM
• 2077[19:03:24] <mefistof1les> lightDM*
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• 2079[19:03:32] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2081[19:05:00] <mefistof1les> greycat: thanks
• 2082[19:06:02] <greycat> (For the record: if the answer had been "No references are necessary, it's just FOO=bar" then you could have used /etc/environment -- but this is utterly useless in real life, as you've now observed.)
• 2083[19:06:24] <mefistof1les> greycat: yeah, I got that
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• 2097[19:18:11] <dob1> ,version
• 2098[19:18:12] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
• 2099[19:18:14] <dob1> ,kernel
• 2100[19:18:16] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-trunk-686 (4.18.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 2101[19:18:17] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 2106[19:23:03] <dob1> which kernel support coffee lake?
• 2107[19:23:08] <dob1> the one in backports does?
• 2108[19:23:56] <greycat> bot dpkg doesn't even have a listing for this lake yet
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• 2111[19:24:08] <abrotman> dob1: it's a year or so old?
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• 2113[19:24:24] <greycat> !kaby lake
• 2114[19:24:24] <dpkg> hmm... kaby lake is Intel's next CPU architecture after <skylake>. Debian doesn't have a kernel package that supports Kaby Lake yet (May 2017).
• 2115[19:24:31] <greycat> And coffee lake is even newer than *that*.
• 2116[19:24:32] <dob1> coffee lake
• 2117[19:24:34] <dob1> October 5, 2017,
• 2118[19:24:53] <abrotman> backports, if you're lucky
• 2119[19:24:57] <dob1> ok but I was considering the backports one
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• 2121[19:25:13] <greycat> Is *kaby* lake even supported in backports yet?
• 2122[19:25:20] <abrotman> 4.17 is relatively new, so .. I'd think so
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• 2124[19:25:54] <greycat> (if so, the factoid needs updating)
• 2125[19:26:26] <abrotman> coffee lake as of 4.15 seems to have at least some level of support
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• 2128[19:27:14] <abrotman> at least for coffee lake graphics
• 2129[19:27:37] <abrotman> other parts came earlier
• 2130[19:30:45] <dob1> but sorry but just to get an idea, what does it means that "it is not supported" ? maybe the graphics card can't be used as its max, sound doesn't work or similar?
• 2131[19:31:32] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Well, it depends on what features have changed since previous chipsets.
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• 2133[19:32:59] <dob1> ok sorry if it is a stupi quesiton, but you can always boot it, right?
• 2134[19:33:11] <dob1> the system will boot even if the kernel doesn't support the processor, right?
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• 2142[19:40:57] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: It's possible that a core feature of the processor has changed, something like the PCI bus API. I believe I've seen systems that wouldn't boot.
• 2143[19:41:36] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: I've certainly seen that happen in Windows. When W95 refused to boot on my new hardware I just deleted it and went 100% Linux.
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• 2145[19:42:41] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: It's really a question of how fast hardware changes vs. how fast the kernel evolves.
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• 2147[19:43:31] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Intel isn't going to release hardware that current versions of Windows won't boot on, and they're going to release drivers for anything that's not supported.
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• 2150[19:44:14] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: They don't have the same reservations about Linux, although they do try to help keep the kernel viable, especially for server-grade hardware.
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• 2172[19:58:26] <jelly> dob1: "coffee lake" isn't just the processort but the plaform around it as well, and even if you're talking just about the CPU, it doesn't have to be a "core" feature, might be decent power management (including frequency and voltage scaling), or sensors drivers, or gpu drivers
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• 2174[20:00:28] <jelly> if you merely can't see a thing on video output, a machine might be useless, or it might not
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• 2178[20:08:40] <dob1> my concern is: the backports kernel *may* sopport it, but if I can't event install the stable one how can I upgrade to the backports one?
• 2179[20:10:22] <greycat> If you can't even run the installer, then try a different distro. Or if you're *super* bored, take the hard drive out and put it in a box that the install *can* run on, install to the disk, install backports kernel etc., then move the disk back to the coffee lake box.
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• 2196[20:18:49] <tuxcrafter> does somebody know if i can do an uefi boot with grub2 from an usb3 stick that I used to debootstrap debian
• 2197[20:19:08] <tuxcrafter> i can only seem to get legacy boot working with grub-pc
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• 2202[20:23:41] <jelly> tuxcrafter: grub-pc only does legacy. There are two different builds of grub for 32bit and 64bit uefi
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• 2205[20:24:34] <jelly> ,i grub-efi-amd64
• 2206[20:24:35] <judd> Package grub-efi-amd64 (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 version). Version: 2.02~beta3-5; Size: 71.4k; Installed: 206k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2207[20:25:09] <jelly> also, I have no idea how one creates an uefi bootable usb stick
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• 2225[20:42:17] <jhutchins_wk> They probably have some info on UEFI boot over at pendrivelinux.com - that's a great do-it-yourself resource for live/bootable images. (They'll also sell you a pre-built drive.)
• 2226[20:42:37] <greycat> one might also ask in the #debian-boot channel on the other network
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• 2229[20:44:12] <mvaenskae> eh, how is the chromium-widevine package supposed to "work"?
• 2230[20:44:54] <mvaenskae> from the looks the .so file isn't getting installed even so i am a bit confused on what the package's aim is when it doesn't provide it
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• 2250[20:55:22] <Parwana> Hello everyone I'm running latest debian strech for Pi3+. Trying to connect wpa2-enterprise through nmcli. I have the connection setup, but I get wlan0 as state "unavailable" and if I try to activate the connection with nmcli I get "Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection." Am I missing something? Do I have to activate the module? I can't see anything with nmcli device wifi, but I see stuff with iw
• 2251[20:55:47] <hanetzer> jelly: easiest way I've found with most isos (including win10) is to format it as fat32 and use 7z x path/to/boot.iso to extract it into it :)
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• 2262[21:04:59] <Parwana> Also nmtui doesnt show any wifi connections only the lan connection
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• 2264[21:06:10] <rainfyre> is wlan0 the correct interface name?
• 2265[21:06:13] <mtn_> Parwana: does your wifi device have the firware it needs?
• 2266[21:06:18] <rainfyre> ^^
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• 2269[21:07:19] <Parwana> Itwlan0 is the device name and it should have all the fw it needs, its a custom debian os for the pi3b+
• 2270[21:07:34] <mtn_> Parwana: should or does have the firmware?
• 2271[21:07:37] <Parwana> I also checked wpa_supplicant, its running
• 2272[21:07:43] <greycat> "a custom debian"
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• 2274[21:08:00] <Parwana> raspbian strech
• 2275[21:08:04] <Parwana> is the os
• 2276[21:08:13] <Parwana> ill check the fw again
• 2277[21:09:00] <mtn_> !raspian
• 2278[21:09:00] <rainfyre> did you 'ip link set dev wlan0 up' ?
• 2279[21:09:01] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 2281[21:10:50] <Parwana> Thanks dpkg ill try that
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• 2284[21:11:36] <rainfyre> dpkg is so helpful
• 2285[21:11:36] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rainfyre
• 2286[21:11:42] <Habbie> lol
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• 2288[21:11:46] <Habbie> very helpful
• 2289[21:11:47] <rainfyre> lol
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• 2298[21:16:05] <quandisti> Hey guys! I have updated my debian from stretch to buster (testing) yesterday and have faced broken sound. it seems like pulseaudio don't recognize any devices as i see only "dummy output" in pavucontrol. i looked through google a bit, have found nothing. my lspci -v output: replaced-url
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• 2401[22:49:23] <lenswipe> hey guys
• 2402[22:49:28] <lenswipe> got a weird problem with my debian install
• 2403[22:49:36] <lenswipe> It's a dell laptop and the mouse pad buttons are reversed
• 2404[22:49:39] <lenswipe> sort of
• 2405[22:49:50] <Habbie> sort of?
• 2406[22:49:51] <lenswipe> The left button is right click and the right button is middle click
• 2407[22:49:59] <greycat> you could use xmodmap to swap 'em around
• 2408[22:50:08] <lenswipe> greycat, i could but its onlt the mouse pad
• 2409[22:50:14] <lenswipe> an actual mouse works fine
• 2410[22:50:19] <lenswipe> so i dont want to just reverse them
• 2411[22:50:37] <lenswipe> It feels like a driver is somehow missing
• 2412[22:51:25] <rydare> lenswipe: what DE/WM
• 2413[22:51:29] <rydare> or just a wm?
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• 2415[22:51:51] <lenswipe> huh?
• 2416[22:51:54] <lenswipe> Oh
• 2417[22:51:55] <lenswipe> GNOME
• 2418[22:52:03] <rydare> ok what model of dell laptop is it
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• 2420[22:52:09] <rydare> if you could be exact it would help
• 2421[22:52:13] <rydare> maybe others have had this issue
• 2422[22:52:16] <lenswipe> Lattitude 7490
• 2423[22:52:23] <lenswipe> rydare, doing my best :)
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• 2429[22:54:58] <rydare> lenswipe: what kernel you running? 'uname -a'
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• 2445[23:08:48] <lenswipe> rydare, sorry, one sec
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• 2448[23:09:04] <lenswipe> Linux debian 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2504[23:53:02] <lenswipe> Sorry, wifi dropped out
• 2505[23:53:05] <lenswipe> anyway
• 2506[23:53:07] <lenswipe> RyanKnack,
• 2507[23:53:08] <lenswipe> oops
• 2508[23:53:10] <lenswipe> rydare,
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• 2510[23:53:22] <rydare> RIP
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• 2513[23:55:24] <rydare> lenswipe: are you on kernel 4.9?
• 2514[23:56:50] <lenswipe> yep
• 2515[23:57:13] <rydare> is there anything in GNOME settings for touchpad?
• 2516[23:57:46] <lenswipe> yeah, there is
• 2517[23:58:07] <lenswipe> the mouse and touchpad utility
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• 2519[23:58:14] <lenswipe> primary button is set to left
• 2520[23:58:17] <lenswipe> which is fine
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• 2525[23:59:16] <rydare> what was the problem again? sorry it was a while back and i forgot, something about the buttons being wrong?
• 2526[23:59:22] <lenswipe> rydare, interestingly the buttons above the mouse button are non functional also
• 2527[23:59:33] <lenswipe> yeah, so....the left button is right click and the right button is middle click
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