10[00:04:42] <mixfix41> thoguh it gets me confused that back when i was using the debian sbc.git when it was on github i was already using an older version of glibc
11[00:04:57] <mixfix41> but I actually found a copy of the file i had saved on one of my computers
71[00:27:03] <empty_string> if so, you should ask your network admins what you should use as a DNS server, and maybe work with them to figure out why you didn't get those with DHCP or something
72[00:27:30] <onpora> ksk, sorry, will post it in a min
90[00:34:52] <jasabella> might put in a -u for good measure
91[00:35:18] <onpora> we tried a number of things including those with iptables, and at the end my helper preferred not to interfere further with settings as it might break things
119[00:49:57] <ksk> it then totally depends on how you network your VM. there is probably documentation for your virtualisation technology which describes the ways to do networking.
146[01:08:21] <ruffni> i have *somehow* messed up my networking configuration on my mbp (BCM43602), now networking service won't start anymore. ifup tries to connect to my local wifi but ends up not getting a response. kernel mentions: "brcmfmac: firmware: failed to load brcm/brcmfmac43602-pcie.txt". brcmfmac shows up in `lsmod`.
147[01:08:45] <ruffni> any ideas?
148[01:11:05] <jasabella> onpora… you're looking to change your subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 (or 255.0.0.0)
149[01:13:44] <jasabella> but speak to a networking person, here be dragons :)
159[01:21:00] <ruffni> the thing is: it used to work. do i have to reinstall the whole thing? tried `dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown` and compared the firmware file to one freshly downloaded... how can i pin down where the problem comes from?
160[01:21:07] <onpora> have a good day / night ! :(
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205[02:14:40] <jaggz> I have it working, but wanted to check for updates or otherwise learn more about it, because currently when I try to add a flickr account, to the export feature, it takes me to a page on flickr that says I don't have access
206[02:15:10] <jaggz> (I didn't get anywhere where I could authenticate, type a username, etc. just click 'add account' and suddenly I'm at the error page in my browser)
207[02:15:39] <jaggz> and the url has an API key, which must be coming from the export/sharing software
210[02:18:26] <ageis> which package, or where can i find official example sysvinit script?
211[02:18:39] <ageis> for wheezy for example
212[02:22:36] <chomwitt> in stable kde's konqueror is very old and there is no backport of a newer version. So you can visit sites like diaspora , or openmailbox
213[02:24:00] <chomwitt> or.. we could say diaspora and openmaiibox broke older versions of webkit.. either way i have to use firefox..
243[03:13:41] <hesco> thanks rydare, RoyK: although ip is the tool I suspect I will be using to implement this, my question is really more one of networking, specific to my use case.
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253[03:28:10] <nvz> so I somehow locked myself out of a machine via ssh/mosh and idk whats wrong pubkey auth is failing after I added a new key for juicessh on android to the authorized_keys was the only thing I changed between it working and not working. Here is a log with the relevant info I could think of off the top of my head: replaced-url
254[03:28:47] <nvz> I can't use password auth which it tries to fall back on because the user has no password and password auth is disabled on the server
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276[03:50:59] <_alx_> ilmostro: docker is available, but they have their own repo.
277[03:51:45] <_alx_> ilmostro: i'll just repost the link nvz posted earlier for another issue. replaced-url
278[03:51:48] <ilmostro> _alx_: yeah, I'm aware of the docker repo for debian packages. I was just unclear about the reasoning behind not having it available in the debian/stretch repos
279[03:52:19] <ilmostro> _alx_: thanks, I installed docker using those same instructions just now :)
280[03:52:24] <_alx_> I have no idea, I'd ask ada or programmerq in #docker, pretty sure they would know.
281[03:52:53] <_alx_> pretty sure they work for docker
287[03:54:22] <_alx_> ilmostro: no prob. if you get an answer, let me know. You've made me curious too :P
288[03:55:11] <ilmostro> hehe, honestly, I wasn't planning on following up on it :( I had assumed that the discussion would be occurring within the debian team and its irc channel
289[03:55:40] <ilmostro> I'm sure they have good reasons for it; I'm not curious enough to find out just now :p
291[03:57:25] <ilmostro> perhaps that's something that will occur with time. Since there's an alternative installation available, it may not be a priority just yet; especially if bigger things are happening at the same time
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382[05:39:14] <nvz> Ryz3qdsfW4go: cp doesnt have any way in and of itself to know about partial files, but can certainly be told to skip existing
383[05:40:09] <nvz> it wouldnt be that difficult to script even in just bash a simple cp wrapper that did checksums and comparisons
384[05:41:37] <nvz> you'd just iterate over the list of files, testing if dest exists, if so, checksum and compare, if doesnt match, cp, if it matches, continue the loop
613[10:24:53] <[exa]> At what point did apt-get stop setting its own PATH etc.? I'm getting this error now if I run it with PATH from user environment:
624[10:29:51] <at0m> [exa]: that's a known thing you could have seen the notification during the apt upgrade. so yea, su - or su -l, which makes it a login shell and cd's to /root from current location. and testing is irc.oftc.net/debian-next
647[10:36:54] <at0m> rydare: it has changed in buster, and when that becomes stable, the change will be in stable =)
648[10:37:33] <jelly> [exa]: install apt-listchanges if you don't have it already to see changelogs and NEWS.Debian items with major functionality news.
654[10:39:17] <checkfx> quick question for you guys !
655[10:39:28] <jelly> !ask
656[10:39:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
774[11:55:13] <nindustries> Hi, what would be the best way to 'bootstrap' debian with a specific state (docker, ssh, hardening) on Online.net ?
775[11:56:14] <ksk> nindustries: wat?
776[11:56:50] <nindustries> Online.net offers rentable dedicated servers, and I would like to provision that from my laptop. SSH configuration, docker install, ...
828[12:42:49] <lambocrypt> I have compiled and installed latest kernel now everything is working..but i hve only one problem is i connected externel microphone but it is recording bunch of white noise only
829[12:43:42] <lambocrypt> how to fix recording issue of microphone
839[12:47:55] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Which kernel did you compile?
840[12:48:10] <lambocrypt> 4.18.5 which was stable
841[12:48:27] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Why are you not using the kernel provided by Debian?
842[12:48:41] <lambocrypt> with fresh install also same white noise is recording only
843[12:49:18] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: I see. Are you using a newer kernel to fix other issues? Otherwise I'd stick with the stock Debian kernel for now.
844[12:49:55] <lambocrypt> yes
845[12:50:17] <lambocrypt> and drivers are sucessfully installed and there is no problem with alsamixer now
846[12:50:43] <lambocrypt> but with fresh installtion of dbeian also records white noise only wht to do
871[13:00:31] <choice> shtrb: I would like to know if the kernel that was booted was read from /boot/ or from somewhere else.
872[13:01:04] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: I'd mute the two other sources.
873[13:01:47] <petn-randall> choice: Sounds like a XY problem to me. If you boot it, you usually know from where because that's how you set it up.
874[13:01:47] <lilith93> Hi, I have a question: I want to install BITWIG on Debian Stretch. Is it possbible to install with "su dpkg -i bitwig.deb" ? Or is it more save to install sudo?
875[13:02:20] <Brigo> lilith93, what is bitwig?
876[13:02:24] <choice> petn-randall: Well, I only set up the Debian inside the VM. The VM itself is provided by a hosting company.
879[13:02:29] <petn-randall> lilith93: It doesn't matter if you use "su" or "sudo", both use root to install the package.
880[13:02:32] <choice> petn-randall: I'm pretty sure that on some VMs, what is in /boot/ does not matter because the hypervisor or whatever it is called somehow does some magic and boots something else.
881[13:02:41] <lilith93> Brigo: It's music software with linux support.
882[13:03:00] <lambocrypt> petn-randall: how to disable that both eco cancell option
883[13:03:12] <Brigo> lilith93, anyway, you can't use su like that. You have to use it to become root and then install with dpkg
933[13:28:01] <hexnewbie> ychaouche: The Debian maintainer for the PHP packages runs their own repository that provides newer PHP versions ready and packaged, you may also look at those. I do compile my own, though, and libkrb5-dev should be the only thing you need to install to build (it should pull the rest)
934[13:28:35] <hexnewbie> ychaouche: libkrb5-3 and libkdb5-8 are *completely* different packages from the *same* version of Kerberos
951[13:41:10] <ghoulsblade> hi! trying debian stretch with static ip for my dhcp vm, but "ifup eth0" gives Error: inet prefix is expected rather than "10.6.128.68/10.6.128.243", any ideas ? google results are not helpful
952[13:42:47] <klys> are you trying to give eth0 a random address in that range?
953[13:43:25] <ghoulsblade> no, i try to give it a fixed 10.6.128.68, and entered that in /etc/network/interfaces
954[13:43:26] <klys> if you are, you may need to run a dhcp server.
955[13:44:09] <bites> ghoulsblade: paste your config to paste.debian.net please.
956[13:44:24] <FinalX> the error is pretty self-explanatory
957[13:44:48] <FinalX> you need to write the address in cidr subnet-format like "10.6.128.68/24" .. not "10.6.128.68/10.6.128.243"
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960[13:45:19] <ghoulsblade> doh, found my error while copypasting linewise from /network/interfaces, gateway and mask was switched. sorry and thanks :)
973[13:55:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
974[13:56:15] <Fox> shadow98: not sure all packages from arch are the same version as in debian unstable, not even sure if they are all in debian
989[14:02:03] <shadow98> shtrb: so i that regard debian is a little more secure to use because they won't release bleeding edge when there is security issues where arch will?
990[14:03:06] <shtrb> That need a study to answer :)
992[14:03:28] <jelly> shadow98: it really depends on how fast arch security people are and how fast debian security team is
993[14:03:43] <shadow98> one particular package that i use that I have needed to stay updated on because I use kde is flameshot. it look like the newer veerion is in unstable where its about one version behind in arch(manjaro). Maybe its because I am using Manjaro to which I believe tests packages before they are released.
994[14:03:50] <shtrb> two different domains, there might be some intersection but I wouldn't say something that radical
995[14:03:58] <ayekat> the nature of rolling release doesn't require a great deal of backporting, though, so it's hard to really compare the two
997[14:04:21] <shtrb> unsable is kind of rolling :)
998[14:04:28] <ayekat> true ^^
999[14:04:42] <Camusensei> Hello guys. I'm using lftp to connect to an sftp server with keypair authentication. I managed to get it to work on stretch but not on wheezy... And downgrading ssh and lftp on stretch still doesn't reproduce the "Login failed: Login incorrect" issue... What else can I try to pinpoint the problem? (the ultimate goal is to get it to work on wheezy)
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1001[14:06:41] <shadow98> ok guys i was just trying to understand the differences to be able to be more informed about which distro to run.
1002[14:06:42] <Camusensei> the command is lftp -c 'set sftp:connect-program "ssh -x -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa_my_user"; open sftp://my_user:@example.com:1522/dir; ls'
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1004[14:07:36] <RoyK> Camusensei: have you tried sftp?
1005[14:08:07] <Camusensei> RoyK: I'll have to mirror a directory recursively so I want lftp
1019[14:14:43] <RoyK> Camusensei: have you tried rsync? it uses sftp
1020[14:14:56] <RoyK> or at least ssh as transport
1021[14:15:11] <RoyK> perhaps some rssh nazis out there
1022[14:16:40] <RoyK> Camusensei: if it's an rssh setup blocking for rsync, you could try to ask them to open for it - it's as harmful as scp/sftp, that is, as harmless
1048[14:32:24] <sweepy> Hi, i had a crash while using steam, after rebooting and launching steam it says its missing libc.so.6, ive purged and reinstalled and all that
1049[14:32:41] <sweepy> seems like steam just cant see it
1050[14:32:50] <sweepy> anyone know of a solution?
1060[14:36:33] <blackflow> if libc were missing, no command would've been possible, reboot to reach a state where you can launch steam, included
1061[14:36:45] <RoyK> true
1062[14:37:04] <blackflow> methinks that's the bundled runtime's libc
1063[14:37:12] <jehorn> That’s what I was thinking, no libc, nothing would really work.
1064[14:37:35] <RoyK> blackflow: possibly, but if the lib is just missing, you're talking about fs corruption
1065[14:37:48] <davidebeatrici> Hello, I have two monitors: one connected to the integrated graphics card and one to the dedicated one. The integrated graphics card is set as primary in the BIOS, in fact xrandr detects the monitor connected to it, however it doesn't detect the one connected to the dedicated graphics card. Is it possible to use both monitors if they are connected to two different GPUs?
1066[14:38:49] <RoyK> blackflow: unless there was a security hole in steam and someone exploited it - which isn't a good thing either
1067[14:38:58] <blackflow> hmm, there doesn't seem to be a libc in ~/.steam runtime dirs...
1068[14:39:12] <sweepy> if i have some fs corruption would it be best to format and reinstall?
1069[14:39:20] <sweepy> my system is very fresh
1070[14:39:23] <blackflow> RoyK: reason why I run Steam under AppArmor :
1071[14:39:32] <sweepy> si i doubt there is a security issue atm
1073[14:39:44] <RoyK> sweepy: pastebin smartctl -x /dev/sda or whatever's your drive
1074[14:40:06] <RoyK> sweepy: and output of dmesg -T
1075[14:40:06] <blackflow> sweepy: my bet is that some binary int here is linking against a non-existing/wrong libc or something. if you were missing systemwide libc, you woldn't be able to boot
1083[14:44:13] <blackflow> sweepy: what does ldd ~/.steam/ubuntu12_32/steam say for libc?
1084[14:44:29] <davidebeatrici> I tried with xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0, which effectively makes xrandr detect the monitor connected to the dedicated graphics card
1085[14:44:41] <davidebeatrici> But as soon as I enable the output for it, X11 crashes
1093[14:49:26] <sweepy> did i just post all those nicks?
1094[14:49:30] <RoyK> sweepy: that§s the whole fun about closed-source software :p
1095[14:49:40] <blackflow> sweepy: huh... that's weird. where's your steam installation then? that's the default path....
1096[14:50:10] <RoyK> sweepy: smartctl -x /dev/somedrive # that'll give you data about the physical drive and its health
1097[14:50:39] <RoyK> sweepy: dmesg -T # that'll give you the latest kernel messages and if something's bad with the drive, something should show up there
1098[14:50:54] <sweepy> okay so ill have to get that package then
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1100[14:51:03] <RoyK> sweepy: smartmontools
1101[14:51:45] <RoyK> dmesg is there already
1102[14:52:09] <blackflow> smart won't show filesystem corruption issues. in fact, smart is the last thing I'd do in analyzing this. fs corruption is a very... far fetched possibility just because steam doesn't know where to find libc
1104[14:52:50] <RoyK> blackflow: well, I'm just asking. not finding libc is *very* uncommon
1105[14:52:51] <blackflow> my bet is on missing i386 files, possibly libc:i386 itself
1106[14:53:11] <RoyK> blackflow: and if it worked an hour ago, well…
1107[14:53:15] <sweepy> ive installed it, uninstalled it
1108[14:53:32] <blackflow> RoyK: yes, but I'm not surprised with steam. that thing pulls in its own ubuntu runtime and it's possible it's looking for libc in a wrong place, or like I said, i386 of it is missing
1109[14:53:44] <Camusensei> RoyK: rsync doesn't work either. So back to my problem, how can I debug the lftp "login incorrect" problem on wheezy?
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1120[14:56:33] <blackflow> sweepy: the only way to _really_ reinstall steam is to nuke ~/.steam and all corresponding directories. as that will delete all installed games, unless you have them configured on a separate directory, make sure you've got them backed up, or else it's download time again.
1121[14:56:43] <blackflow> needless to say, that will also nuke all savegames, all configs, everything.
1122[14:57:07] <jelly> ,v steam --arch i386
1123[14:57:09] <blackflow> but unfortunately, steam is an entangled mess of configs, libs, games, and executables, in a single structure under ~/.steam or ~/Steam
1127[14:59:15] <blackflow> and last when I installed it on Debian it did. worked out of the box. so my money is on the steam update breaking itself. apt only installs the launcher (and pulls in deps) anyway.
1130[15:05:04] <sweepy> okay, thanks blackflow, ill do a system reboot and try to nuke steam. i might have some system corruption, apt-get seems a bit broken, if the reboot dosnt fix it ill just format
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1158[15:19:15] <RoyK> Neobenedict: mixing things from unstable and stable is just asking for trouble - beleive me
1159[15:19:25] <RoyK> !debian-next
1160[15:19:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1161[15:19:36] <Neobenedict> should i just upgrade my debian
1162[15:19:53] <RoyK> Neobenedict: see the channel I mentioned - talk in here is about stable
1163[15:19:58] <blackflow> sweepy: about that reformat.... first you should find what exactly happened, or you'll just be reformatting atop of existing hw issues that will corrupt again, if there are any.
1164[15:20:00] <Neobenedict> ok how do I upgrade debian?
1165[15:20:04] <Neobenedict> RoyK: these are stable packages on debian 9
1166[15:20:07] <Neobenedict> but i am on 8
1167[15:20:24] <RoyK> Neobenedict: you said "unstable"
1202[15:31:18] <Neobenedict> wish me luck guys replaced-url
1203[15:31:30] <sweepy> im on crunchbag asking for debian help. i think that was a issue :/
1204[15:31:35] <Robby> OH.
1205[15:31:35] <Neobenedict> there is no way this upgrades without issues
1206[15:31:38] <blackflow> new policy. instant /ignore list membership when you pull crap like this. tahnks for wasting my time and welcome to the list.
1207[15:31:41] <jasabella> Neobenedict… if it's a VM, take a snapshot first llol
1208[15:31:46] <Robby> lmao
1209[15:31:47] <Neobenedict> it is not
1210[15:32:01] <Neobenedict> it is a production server!
1213[15:32:13] <jasabella> wouldnt you do it on a test server first?
1214[15:32:17] <Robby> I love the mentality in this channel
1215[15:32:23] <Neobenedict> i can't really "test" that
1216[15:32:28] <Neobenedict> i mean, if it fails
1217[15:32:37] <dob1> what happen if during installation I indicate an existing home partition ? when I create the user it will use the home dir that it finds in this home partition?
1218[15:32:44] <Robby> people are so hostile when it comes to that situation, not the first time I've seen it
1219[15:33:00] <blackflow> and I love to waste time looking for a solution for a problem that isn't even a problem because a "based on" distro that, GODS KNOW WHAT DOES DIFFERENTLY, is used.
1220[15:33:09] <blackflow> I even pulled out a VM to quick test install steam see what it does.....
1221[15:33:15] <blackflow> yea.
1222[15:33:23] <Robby> I agree and fully understand, but GODDAMN, the hostility.
1230[15:34:43] <Neobenedict> last time I did this I ended up with a wheezy/jessie hybrid
1231[15:34:46] <sweepy> blackflow, it does nothing differently, all the commands worked. it seems like my filesystem has corrutptions after my system crash, at it not only include steam from what i can see now
1232[15:34:53] <Neobenedict> and took 2 days to unfuck it
1233[15:35:11] <sweepy> ive spent more that 2 hours on it now and figure being a big nub i might aswell format now
1234[15:35:24] <sweepy> before wasting anymore time all around
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1237[15:38:15] <sweepy> and i dont appreciate distro rascism
1244[15:43:10] <greycat> Usually, if there's a problem in a release upgrade, it's because they were using some third party repos, or mixed releases, etc.
1248[15:45:34] <rootkea> How to know whether a particular firmware being used or not? I have installed couple of firmware-* packages installed (e.g. firmware-linux, firmware-linux-nonfree etc) and I would like to remove them all as long as they are not being used
1249[15:45:50] <greycat> dmesg typically shows them being loaded
1250[15:46:18] <n4dir> i once had to ask, as things reharding the graphik card went south. took the channel 30seconds to fix it
1266[15:54:42] <n4dir> bit you spoke of a hyprid. not that reairing a brken grub would be hard.
1267[15:55:27] <rootkea> sudo dmesg | grep firmware only shows wireless driver being loaded. I was expecting something referring to video driver too (given that I have 1GB ATI graphics chip and firmware-amd-graphics nstalled)
1268[15:55:55] <n4dir> jesus, the typos. sorry for that.
1269[15:56:22] <Neobenedict> hopefully this doesn't end in... dist-aster
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1274[16:00:30] <rootkea> looks like dmesg shows only the latest log. I see most of the lines of UFW. How can I see the log starting from the grub loading?
1275[16:01:56] <Neobenedict> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
1282[16:03:07] <rootkea> Now, `sudo dmesg | grep firmware yields` nothing. Is there a limit on dmesg o/p? Given that most of the log is populated by UFW I guess that limit is being reached or something?
1287[16:06:16] <rootkea> The file /var/log/kern.log shows a lot of firmware loading lines!
1288[16:06:36] <Camusensei> RoyK: I found out the problem by adding "debug" to the lftp command line and "-v" to the ssh one. My problem was that OpenSSH 6.0 would not expand ~/ into /home/my_user when using with sftp:connect-program
1289[16:08:18] <rootkea> Is kern.log the definitive place to look for various firmwares being loaded? Or is there any other log file to look into?
1290[16:08:21] <greycat> Yes, demsg has a finite ring buffer size.
1291[16:08:48] * ssarah diz olá
1292[16:08:48] <greycat> If your kernel has spewed a LOT of messages since booting, then the older ones are gone from memory, so you'd have to dig them up from an actual log file.
1293[16:10:35] <rootkea> greycat, and is kern.log is that actual log file which I should look into? Or is there any other log file to check for firmwares being loaded?
1303[16:12:47] <Neobenedict> and apt still wroks...
1304[16:13:58] <rootkea> greycat, even /var/log/syslog looks interesting (One of these times I really gotta sit down and learn about all these log files)
1305[16:14:47] <greycat> Most of the files in /var/log/ are written by rsyslogd, using the configuration specified in /etc/rsyslog.conf
1376[16:49:31] <rootkea> Both faillog and lastlog are binary files still cat faillog displays nothing whereas cat lastlog displays gibberish as expected. Why is so?
1377[16:49:51] <greycat> why would you expect ANYTHING you get from catting a binary file to a terminal to make sense?
1394[16:59:41] <rootkea> Since faillog isn't part of POSIX standard I am bailing out. But if any of you folks aren't willing to file a bug report then I'll be happy to do so.
1457[17:42:02] <rootkea> One interesting thing is that /etc/login.defs has "FAILLOG_ENAB yes" set. And just above it there is a comment saying "Enable logging and display of /var/log/faillog login failure info. This option conflicts with the pam_tally PAM module."
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1504[18:29:51] <FinalX> maybe someone here knows.. I have 3 patch (GNU patch) files, but one conflicts with another because they're trying to add a line in the same place, making the diff not match. does anyone know if you can tell patch to merge those properly? 3-way diff or something while merging?
1567[19:18:54] <jken> Hello, I am trying to run unattended upgrades via cron every 5 minutes (to quickly update packages from my private apt-repo). The cron runs this "apt-get update -y && unattended-upgrade -d". This works perfect when run manually, but not when run via cron. Via cron, it updates the package list from the repo (confirmed as apt-cache policy sees the new candidate) but it never gets instaled. Unattended upgrade logs saw it should be updated everytime the cron
1594[19:33:32] <shtrb> how do I pass binary data to clipboard ? cat file|xclip -i -selection clipboard does not seem to pass to other applications (if it has non printable bytes)
1595[19:34:49] <petn-randall> jken: You'll have to check the actual Release file to see what is set there.
1596[19:35:15] <petn-randall> jken: for example, for the stretch repo it's: replaced-url
1610[19:39:30] <jken> There is the Release file on the repo it is configured for
1611[19:39:45] <greycat> applecrumble: it's a shell script (/usr/sbin/service), so you can also read it to see how it decides whether to use init.d or systemctl calls.
1613[19:40:30] <jken> jken, fairly certain it is correct because if I run `unattended-upgrade -d` manually it does do the update, it simply fails via cron :/
1614[19:40:36] <bipul> petn-randall: I just want to learn.
1615[19:40:53] <bipul> I want's to create a another subnet network.
1619[19:43:44] <petn-randall> jken: Hmm, that looks correct to me. How does the cron job look like? Note that on stretch and systemd, it seems to ignore the cron and use a systemd timer instead, see /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat.
1635[19:52:16] <jken> The package in question also creates /var/run/reboot-required on upgrade, and unattended-upgrades does the reboot sucussfully
1636[19:52:22] <jken> everything works great when run manually.
1637[19:52:47] <petn-randall> jken: Then the issue is with how it's called in cron. Have a look at the systemd timer, or the cron job that unattended-upgrade uses, and copy that.
1638[19:53:16] <petn-randall> jken: Many things that are set in your shell, like $PATH and many other things, do not exist when run from cron. That's likely the issue.
1639[19:53:54] <jken> I will try to find the systemd timer
1672[20:14:20] <greycat> I thought you confirmed that you had found a log of cron invoking the thing as root.
1673[20:14:41] <jken> greycat, thats my cron, the one that does not work.
1674[20:15:26] <jken> petn-randall suspects my path or some other env variable is different when it's invoked that way, vs. invoked manually via shell
1675[20:15:45] <greycat> But there's nothing useful in /var/log/unattended-upgrades.log ?
1676[20:16:06] <jken> greycat, not a thing. replaced-url
1677[20:16:36] <greycat> doesn't look like any log file I've ever seen
1678[20:16:48] <jken> sorry, this link replaced-url
1679[20:19:18] <greycat> Well, I see the "Packages that will be upgraded: ssn-smartplayer" which looks good, but I do NOT see the "All upgrades installed" part that mine has.
1680[20:19:38] <greycat> Did you try looking in /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades-dpkg.log next?
1700[20:27:16] <jken> I've been trying to figure this out for so long I am tempted to have the cron be "ssh root@localhost 'apt-get update && unattended-upgrade -d'"
1701[20:29:09] <jken> I wonder if `sudo -i -u root unattended-upgrade -d` would do it.
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1723[20:42:41] <Azrael_-> hi
1724[20:42:44] <Azrael_-> i want to use sfp for my domains. but if i want to forward emails the forwarding will fail if the forwarder is another server. i have multiple servers all as subdomains like *.myserver.com. is it possible to include all of them without explicitly enumerating them in the sfp entry?
1752[21:02:59] <generic> jhutchins_wk, couldnt recover any errors yet
1753[21:03:29] <jhutchins_wk> boot to the multi-user.target - no GUI, so it won't overwrite the log.
1754[21:03:50] <generic> jhutchins_wk, i have amdgpu_ib_ring_test ring 11 errrors on dmesg
1755[21:04:45] <rootkea> Hello! I'm inspecting intel-microcode package. What's the need of it? What will happen if I remove it from my system? Is there any "free" replacement for this non-free package?
1756[21:05:07] <greycat> !microcode
1757[21:05:07] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. replaced-url
1810[21:37:20] <julius> auto enp4s2 allow-hotplug enp4s2 iface enp4s2 inet dhcp iface enp4s2 inet6 dhcp does this look like a interface configuration that should listen for ipv4 and ipv6 adresses from the router?
1820[21:40:11] <empty_string> actually this may be a moot point. it looks like slaac is done automatically if you have router advertisements on your network anywhere, so
1821[21:40:13] <julius> not sure, its a default router from my isp. it "sends out" ipv6 adresses
1822[21:40:38] <julius> at least to my laptop when i connect via wlan
1823[21:41:34] <jken> greycat, recreated the dir with the same ownership you just posted. taking much longer to run now, so its likely actually downloading the package.
1824[21:41:42] <jken> Any idea what might have causes that to dissapear?
1826[21:42:17] <ksk> I would guess you, no offense ;)
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1828[21:42:23] <greycat> An rmdir command, an rm -rf command, or it's a virtual thingy-doodad-abob that never had it to begin with because someone didn't include that in the virtual-wossname-master-template thing.
1829[21:43:05] <jken> I would love to say it was me and be done with the issue, but its affecting multiple systems and I've only touched this one. Must be puppet or something..
1841[21:51:38] <greycat> I can't find anything in the man page that describes what happens when the same interface is marked both "auto" and "allow-hotplug".
1842[21:52:05] <greycat> The way the man page is written *implies* that they are mutually exclusive, which certainly jibes with all of the examples....
1846[21:54:45] <greycat> v 1: be compatible, similar or consistent; coincide in their characteristics; "The two stories don't agree in many details"; "The handwriting checks with the signature on the check"; "The suspect's fingerprints don't match those on the gun" [syn: {match}, {fit}, {correspond}, {check}, {jibe}, {gibe}, {tally}, {agree}] [ant: {disaccord}, {disagree}, {discord}]
1847[21:54:58] <julius> ah ok
1848[21:55:26] <julius> could you give me a example of a working ipv6 config for a normal home network?
1883[22:07:53] <julius> auto enp0s3 iface enp0s3 inet6 auto found this on a different site, changed the interface name...../etc/init.d/networking restart and nothing
1884[22:08:09] <julius> can still connect to the system over the lan interface but no ipv6 on the router site
1885[22:11:05] <ChunkzZ> last question... can I check what my external hdd is, can't think of the name.. like ntfs, ext4 etc. can I check it?
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1934[22:35:28] <Owner> ugh, why does /proc/net/wireless and iwconfig bring up different stuff for every device...some give you decibals others just a %, etc
1937[22:36:11] <CrystalMath> hi, did anyone file a bug report about the debian installer not allowing people to choose an incompatible language / timezone combination?
1950[22:40:43] <EdePopede> does it mean you just installed recently? did it offer you software selection?
1951[22:41:30] <CrystalMath> EdePopede: i sometimes install debian in virtual machines, and when you select a language you can't select any timezone, only some appear in the list
1967[22:44:25] <EdePopede> i'll check the screenshots ;)
1968[22:44:33] <CrystalMath> but i still wonder why the installer is so ignorant about people moving around
1969[22:46:17] <CrystalMath> and like, personal preferences
1970[22:46:32] <spacedust> is that really your name? lol
1971[22:46:37] <greycat> The installer's job is to get the system installed and running. Fine-tuning can be done later.
1972[22:47:11] <deicide-> hello how do i install newer kernel
1973[22:47:30] <CrystalMath> greycat: yeah but still... why the restriction?
1974[22:47:31] <greycat> !tell deicide- about stretch-backports
1975[22:47:42] <greycat> I literally have no idea what 'restriction' you're talking about.
1976[22:48:04] <CrystalMath> if you select, for example, French, you don't get US timezones as an option later
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1978[22:49:12] <greycat> Well, if you want an unnatural combination of physical location and language, then you may have to configure it yourself, post-install.
1979[22:49:56] <CrystalMath> but i don't understand why not just put all the timezones into the option box
1984[22:50:38] <iratie> I've got apache2 running on raspbian with cgi and cgid enabled, but I can't get a script stored in /usr/lib/cgi-bin to execute - it only displays the file contents in the browser.
1985[22:50:45] <joftr> CrystalMath, last time (few weeks ago, perhaps a month) I installed Debian I was able to select such an "odd" combination US english, and berlin timezone .... so
2001[22:54:19] <EdePopede> hm, i had the whole list to select from, first for language, obviously, but than also the country list. after that i went back to the language list and than again to the country
2002[22:54:24] <deicide-> hello how do i install newer kernel
2003[22:55:10] <CrystalMath> joftr: was it the graphical installer?
2004[22:55:41] <CrystalMath> deicide-: use backports :)
2005[22:55:42] <joftr> CrystalMath: ah ...., no I'm always using the text one
2015[22:56:45] <EdePopede> CrystalMath: i did 2 installs, the pics are from the 2nd i think, graphical.
2016[22:56:47] <deicide-> i did
2017[22:56:47] <CrystalMath> and then, apt -tstretch-backports install linux-image
2018[22:56:57] <EdePopede> i did both installers on that day
2019[22:57:00] <greycat> Apparently he needs someone to look up the actual name of the kernel packages in the backports repo and type the literal apt command FOR him.
2020[22:57:03] <CrystalMath> deicide-: you must put -tstretch-backports to install from there
2021[22:57:15] <CrystalMath> well i don't know if it's really linux-image
2022[22:57:20] <CrystalMath> but whatever deicide- needs
2028[22:59:06] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> It encrypts the boot partition by default, their OBS build service is used by a lot of sub components like Gnome and KDE so it's the first that gets the updates
2029[22:59:26] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> the only place where debian wins is that debian includes the multimedia codecs by default
2030[22:59:30] <CrystalMath> encrypt /boot?
2031[22:59:33] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> yeah
2032[22:59:35] <CrystalMath> so grub will decrypt it?
2033[22:59:36] <CrystalMath> or what
2034[22:59:42] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i guess
2035[22:59:54] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> basically, to prevent kernen trojans
2041[23:00:26] <CrystalMath> maybe if someone takes your disk
2042[23:00:30] <CrystalMath> puts a kernel trojan on it
2043[23:00:30] <jasabella> Ryz3qdsfW4go… use what you feel comfortable with, i doubt you'll find anyone here who'll try super hard to convince you to use debian over opensuse or vice versa, if you need to test both out, use a vm
2044[23:00:31] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> KDE plasma on opensuse blows away KDE on debian
2045[23:00:33] <CrystalMath> and then brings it back to you
2046[23:00:42] <EdePopede> without any presumption, is encrypting /boot a good idea or rather not?
2047[23:00:50] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> I like debian, it's my first distro
2048[23:00:51] <greycat> encrypting /boot is pointless
2081[23:04:51] <CrystalMath> does LXDE need security updates?
2082[23:04:53] <jasabella> think the dev of lxde moved onto lxqt
2083[23:04:53] <CrystalMath> it uses openbox
2084[23:05:00] <CrystalMath> openbox gets updates
2085[23:05:06] <jasabella> but i cant cmoment otherwise
2086[23:05:07] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> lxde panel doesn't
2087[23:05:13] <deicide-> how do i uninstall nvidia driver?
2088[23:05:17] <CrystalMath> lxde panel is kinda deprecated yeah
2089[23:05:32] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> so now debian recommends installing deprecated stuff
2090[23:05:38] <CrystalMath> why would it do that?
2091[23:05:41] <abrotman> Ryz3qdsfW4go: Do you understand how Debian works?
2092[23:05:48] <abrotman> before running your mouth ...
2093[23:05:49] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> it was in the list of desktop environments in the installer
2094[23:05:52] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: it's there if you want
2095[23:06:00] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> but it's not safe
2096[23:06:05] <CrystalMath> how do you know?
2097[23:06:06] <abrotman> Ryz3qdsfW4go: just stop
2098[23:06:10] <CrystalMath> are there open security issues?
2099[23:06:15] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> maybe there is a hidden vunerability
2100[23:06:18] <abrotman> Ryz3qdsfW4go: What makes you think LXDE is unsafe?
2101[23:06:18] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: the debian security team takes care of those things
2102[23:06:36] <abrotman> Ryz3qdsfW4go: and you should think carefully before you answer
2103[23:06:47] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: in my opinion, which i formed over a decade of linux use, i can honestly say that free software only gets better with age
2104[23:07:00] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: security issues should be backported rather than updating to always the latest version
2105[23:07:07] <CrystalMath> that's my opinion
2106[23:07:17] <jasabella> Ryz3qdsfW4go… debian, unlike some other OSs, gives you freedom, you are free to configure the system however you like just about, but you can also blow your own foot off, it's up to you to find that middle ground
2107[23:07:43] <abrotman> start at the knee ..
2108[23:07:43] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> hmm
2109[23:07:46] <deicide-> how do i uninstall nvidia driver?
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2111[23:08:02] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i can't decide whether to keep opensuse or install debian
2113[23:08:14] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: you may thing updating will solve all your problems but with every fix you get you will introduce 5 more bugs
2114[23:08:17] <jasabella> Ryz3qdsfW4go… get a virtual machiine fo both and try them
2115[23:08:19] <fChanX> I do recall hearing that LXDE wasn't being developed now or something.
2116[23:08:24] * abrotman has an opinion on the matter ...
2117[23:08:28] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: well by updating i mean going for the rolling release
2118[23:08:32] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i already tried both...i can't decide
2119[23:08:41] <CrystalMath> i would always go with debian stable
2120[23:08:53] <CrystalMath> is opensuse offering anything similar for free?
2121[23:08:56] <CrystalMath> i doubt it
2122[23:09:12] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> been using their rolling release for 2 years, only had 1 small incident so far
2123[23:09:22] <EdePopede> <Ryz3qdsfW4go> maybe there is a hidden vunerability <-- is it software? then probably yes. from your irc client to the microcode running on your cpu, there may be a problem everywhere. you can't kill it, you gotta hunt it as long as it is used.
2129[23:11:14] <EdePopede> Bugzilla is programmed to return the string "zarro boogs found" instead of "0 bugs found" when a search for bugs returns no results <-- LOL? i knew it had to be a reference!
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2143[23:13:00] <greycat> If you want to flame Debian for offering a desktop because you read one fucking random comment on reddit that said it was "obsolete", just go the hell away.
2144[23:13:04] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> the opensuse channel is much more receptive of criticism and questions
2145[23:13:25] <abrotman> you haven't actually offered any criticism
2146[23:13:28] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: well, they do get something out of you using it
2147[23:13:40] <EdePopede> abrotman: no necessarily. advocatus diaboli isn't the worst method on getting answers to complex situations
2148[23:13:46] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: when you use opensuse, you are testing software, so that enterprise users get the best experience
2150[23:14:16] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: every bug you report will make sure SLED comes out perfect
2151[23:14:29] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: so they have a financial interest in you using opensuse
2152[23:14:36] <rlange> at the risk of feeding this stupid conversation, it looks like the now-deprecated lxde components are no longer in buster, as development has shifted to the newer lxqt stuff, so the next stable debian won't have those scary "obsolete" programs anymore
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2155[23:14:49] <EdePopede> and depending on someone's own level of knowledge things can be REALLY confusing. especially while trying to get some first balance
2156[23:15:11] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> so lxqt is the next version, lxde is technically no more
2157[23:15:28] <greycat> there is nothing "technical" about any of this
2158[23:15:37] <jasabella> like i said, dev moved onto lxqt - i cant say any more than that
2159[23:15:53] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> i will stick with KDE for now then
2161[23:16:02] <spami> Noob question, but upgrading my server to the latest stable version of Debian should protect me against meltdown and spectre right?
2162[23:16:08] <greycat> The Debian maintainers make their own judgment calls about when a project becomes unsupportable or not worth the time to support.
2163[23:16:17] <EdePopede> LXQt is available only for testing and unstable - it will be fully in the next stable (Stretch). <-- uh, [LXQt] could need a bit of an update
2165[23:16:37] <CrystalMath> spami: the kernel is responsible for that, i think jessie has the backported fixes, but i'm not sure, you can always check on the debian security page
2166[23:17:03] <CrystalMath> Ryz3qdsfW4go: oh and btw, if you ever want a rolling release package in stable, you can install it through backports
2167[23:17:15] <CrystalMath> then you get a package from sid backported to stable
2176[23:18:27] <CrystalMath> spami: i suppose it's a good idea
2177[23:19:04] <jasabella> Ryz3qdsfW4go… to use debian to its full potential requires effort on the user, and most users in here you'll find enjoy the challenge of learning/operating their system 'well'... "it just works" can be true of some packages, but not others... it's up to you to make your system run for you
2241[23:39:20] <rydare> we could try "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-libs" to see if there's some error there
2242[23:39:27] <rlange> In cases like this I keep adding unmet deps to the <<apt-get install ...>> line. This casues apt to get progressively more detailed about why it can't install something.
2243[23:39:44] <rydare> good idea rlange
2244[23:39:48] <deicide-> same
2245[23:40:20] <rydare> can you pastebin the output of when you try to intsall nvidia-driver-libs?
2246[23:40:37] <rlange> eventually you'll find a contradiction in the output, which will really be why all that stuff can't be installed
2248[23:41:31] <rlange> also, backports is not "stable" so you're more likely to run into issues with it. if possible with your chipset, try the kernel and nvidia driver from stable instead of the one from backports
2249[23:42:05] <rlange> deicide-: so add nvidia-egl-icd to the apt command and try again
2267[23:47:02] <d0uglas> Hi guys. Maybe I repaired my machine, maybe not, I'm trying to boot up ISOs to install Linux including other distros and I keep running into kernel panics on boot citing at the end Fatal exception in interrupt, looks like this: replaced-url
2268[23:47:11] <rlange> but i'm concerned that it suddenly started working
2280[23:49:10] <d0uglas> rydare: I started a ram check from the boot menu but after a while it looked like it would take hours, ... as for things plugged in, just monitors
2286[23:50:20] <deicide-> bash: nvidia-settings: command not found
2287[23:50:28] <d0uglas> rydare: if you had to bet, lacking any other clues, would you go with ram?
2288[23:50:30] <rydare> maybe you have to install the package
2289[23:50:54] <rydare> d0uglas: RAM test shouldnt' take too long but i haven't had to do it in a decade.... could be an issue with ACPI... what's your CPU?
2295[23:52:09] <rydare> also try updating your motherboard software
2296[23:52:22] <rydare> Cons: Requires installation of drivers to make USB 3.0 and Ethernet work in Windows 7. In Ubuntu 14.04, the Linux kernel must be booted with the "iommu=soft" parameter (ver. 4.0 of the motherboard).
2297[23:52:30] <d0uglas> tricky, I'm doing all this auxiliary stuff with a chromebook
2298[23:52:31] <deicide-> theres no settings in it at all
2299[23:52:37] <deicide-> its really really basic window
2301[23:53:13] <rydare> deicide-: should look like this replaced-url
2302[23:53:21] <deicide-> ah i have an error
2303[23:53:45] <rydare> d0uglas: try passing that argument when booting mabye? that was from a store page for that motherboard
2304[23:54:10] <deicide-> "you do not appear to be using nvidia x driver. please edit your x config file (just run nvidia-xconfig as root) and restart the x server