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23 [00:25:44] <ksk> interesting, will check that out
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37 [00:42:04] <SyfiMalik> some advice on saving gpg keys? I have an sdxc card which is free as of now, just formated it with zeroes.
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39 [00:47:42] <RoyK> keep in mind that those cards die after a while
40 [00:48:40] <SyfiMalik> I have lifetime guarantee, came from sandisk and it is 64 gbs
41 [00:49:53] <bites> the concern was probably more towards the data.
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43 [00:50:58] <SyfiMalik> so how should I use it?
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45 [00:52:18] <bites> encrypt the drive if you want, then dump the keys you want to keep a backup of.
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47 [00:54:19] <SyfiMalik> bites: gdisk /dev/sdb
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50 [00:57:58] <bites> i'd create a luks partition for encryption, then create the filesystem as described here. replaced-url
51 [00:58:44] <SyfiMalik> so I should create a partition table first or encrypt the whole /dev/sdb?
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53 [00:59:13] <bites> as you wish.
54 [00:59:19] <SyfiMalik> I have done this before and I think I have to create a partition first
55 [01:01:51] <bites> not necessarily. but it won't hurt.
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57 [01:02:48] <SyfiMalik> thank you bites
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100 [02:02:22] <lenswipe> hey guys
101 [02:03:29] <lenswipe> I'm using Debian 9 and I've somehow managed to unmap the super key from showing the overview in GNOME
102 [02:03:33] <lenswipe> anyone know how to fix that?
103 [02:03:36] <lenswipe> It's driving me nuts
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106 [02:04:02] <lenswipe> I've tried using gconf and I've tried messing with the tweak tool but I can't find any option rleated to Super
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188 [03:04:36] <cliluw> What does a tilde character mean in the Depends field of debian/control? I see stuff like this "python-ldb (>= 2:1.1.29~)".
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196 [03:13:18] <sadsagfjg> How i can find debian projects coding by python and How i can join these projects?
197 [03:14:05] <annadane> sadsagfjg, replaced-url
198 [03:14:16] <annadane> (basically go to salsa.debian.org and search for python0
199 [03:14:17] <annadane> )
200 [03:14:37] <annadane> as for joining, well, anyone can submit patches, or make an account on salsa and get involved that way
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202 [03:15:51] <sadsagfjg> annadane, Are you programmae?
203 [03:15:57] <sadsagfjg> *programmar
204 [03:16:38] <annadane> no
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206 [03:17:00] <dvs> oh noes!
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209 [03:17:44] <annadane> there's also some mailing lists - lists.debian.org
210 [03:18:15] <annadane> i would say maybe get in touch with the python team, they might be able to point you in the right direction
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243 [03:19:48] <annadane> sadsagfjg, there's also replaced-url
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252 [03:20:49] <sadsagfjg> annadane, Thanks
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275 [03:44:11] <znoteer> I just installed python3-pip, but when I try to install something using pip ("pip install --user --upgrade pkg") the shell tells me that it can't find the pip command. Neither locate nor whereis seem to be able find such a command either. Am I missing something?
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278 [03:45:58] <sadsagfjg> znoteer, sudo apt-get install python-pip
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280 [03:46:48] <znoteer> sadsagfjg: python3-pip won't do the trick?
281 [03:48:09] <sadsagfjg> oh if python3 yeah
282 [03:48:14] <sadsagfjg> do this
283 [03:48:19] <sadsagfjg> znoteer, sudo apt-get install python3-pip
284 [03:48:29] <znoteer> I already have
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332 [03:49:35] <sadsagfjg> pip3 -V
333 [03:49:43] <sadsagfjg> you did it?
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339 [03:50:22] <annadane> i mean, that's their paragraph...
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341 [03:50:37] <annadane> hmm, lemme check the readme
342 [03:51:24] <znoteer> sadsagfjg: no, but you made me realize that I needed to run the command pip3 and no pip. Running pip3, everything is fine. Thanks
343 [03:51:36] <znoteer> and *not* pip
344 [03:51:55] <annadane> oh. hah.
345 [03:52:02] <annadane> !next
346 [03:52:02] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
347 [03:52:23] <sadsagfjg> znoteer, :)
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352 [03:53:25] <DammitJim> is exim4 still the default MTA for Debian?
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361 [03:55:06] <sadsagfjg> annadane, when you sent me mailing list link. you mean what? I should to join it?
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363 [03:55:17] <sadsagfjg> for prohects
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366 [03:55:22] <sadsagfjg> *projects
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368 [03:55:43] <annadane> i'm not sure what i meant honestly :P i guess that's relatively useless advice
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373 [03:55:54] <annadane> salsa is more relevant
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376 [03:56:12] <sadsagfjg> annadane,:D ok
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378 [03:56:34] <annadane> you can still check it out for your own purposes i guess
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380 [03:56:39] <annadane> there's user lists, and dev lists
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382 [03:58:23] <sadsagfjg> yeah, That's nice
383 [03:58:25] <annadane> i may or may not also be guilty of proposing 5 solutions to everything
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387 [04:00:59] <sadsagfjg> proposing who?
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390 [04:02:26] <annadane> just anyone seeking advice on things
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394 [04:04:47] <sadsagfjg> I dont understand your mean at all :P
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396 [04:05:21] <annadane> i meant, you asked how to contribute to python projects, i gave you at least 4 answers
397 [04:05:31] <annadane> which i tend to do to anyone, i give a lot of options
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399 [04:07:33] <sadsagfjg> annadane, hmm , thanks . yes you give me 4 or 5 answers and I'm trying to use your ansewers
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403 [04:10:09] <Michael72> I did a dicoweb (Version: 2.3-2) installation on a VDS with Debian 9. Python Version: 2.7.13. Django Version: 1.10.7.
404 [04:10:10] <Michael72> The web address for this machine is: replaced-url
405 [04:10:10] <Michael72> I can not understand on my own what's wrong. Maybe it's some kind of bug in dicoweb?
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412 [04:13:03] <Michael72> Forgot to say that I applied the django_1.10 patch, which I found here replaced-url
413 [04:13:04] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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603 [05:24:06] <linuxbox> ust installed 9.5.0 and I'm having some weird issues like sudo isn't working, can't man sudoers..tried usermod -aG sudo username but when I type groups it doesn't show sudo in there when typing any of the commands it says command not found i did manage to check for updates using su - …but i'm at a lost as to why i'm having sudo issues
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605 [05:25:59] <at0m> linuxbox: my guess is you don't have sudo installed
606 [05:26:00] <linuxbox> according to debian's wiki I shouldn't even have to give myself sudo in this version as they've changed the installer
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608 [05:27:47] <at0m> linuxbox: if that is the case, apt install sudo
609 [05:27:54] <linuxbox> at0m: thanks for the tip, didn't even occur to me that when I ready that on a page they literally meant it wasn't installed lol
610 [05:28:46] <at0m> when both the manual and the group aren't found, something is horribly wrong or it's just not installed =)
611 [05:31:06] <linuxbox> at least all I have to do was install it, I thought for a moment I was gonna have to add myself to the group lmao
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613 [05:31:36] <at0m> linuxbox: installing did the trick? =)
614 [05:31:44] <linuxbox> at0m: yah thanks for the tip
615 [05:32:43] <at0m> linuxbox: you're welcome. in the past it might be installed by default, now it's optional
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618 [05:33:32] <linuxbox> interesting, I read on a debian wiki that none of this was necessary anymore, but then we are talking about wiki heh
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621 [05:34:33] <at0m> when in doubt, you can always "whereis $program" or "which $program"
622 [05:35:48] <linuxbox> what's also interesting is whatever distro parallels for the mac grabs not only lets you avoid installing sudo, but it also creates a default user called parallels heh
623 [05:36:04] <linuxbox> automatically, which is good but also kinda weird
624 [05:36:46] * linuxbox rambles on and on
625 [05:36:53] <at0m> =)
626 [05:38:16] <Moussa> replaced-url
627 [05:38:27] <linuxbox> i wonder if anyone has forked adium for debian yet
628 [05:38:39] <linuxbox> or if that'd even be possible without cocoa
629 [05:40:02] <at0m> linuxbox: both adium and pidgin are gaim forks
630 [05:40:15] <at0m> linuxbox: so, pidgin is the IM resembling adium
631 [05:40:34] <linuxbox> i'm familiar with pidgin for sure, it uses gtk though right? kinda fugly
632 [05:40:37] <at0m> gaim was the Gnome IM
633 [05:41:02] <at0m> many clients , both with GUI and console, use libpurple
634 [05:41:17] <at0m> or, can use libpurple
635 [05:41:23] <linuxbox> that's kind of hilarious when you put it that way, i'm trying to go backwards lol
636 [05:41:30] <linuxbox> i just like the look of adium
637 [05:41:58] <at0m> that's not backwards. both were based on gaim, if i understand correctly
638 [05:42:43] <linuxbox> well i just mean to say since they were based on gaim and not origin, by trying to fork it back to it's source OS it feels backwards
639 [05:43:16] <at0m> and yup, pidgin depends on libgtk2
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666 [06:34:15] <n4dir> hi. i am trying to follow these insctructions for a usb-wireless-dongle: replaced-url
667 [06:34:15] <n4dir>
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669 [06:36:56] <dgp> Probably not the answer you want to hear but I would toss the acx100 dongle and just get something else.
670 [06:37:28] <n4dir> nah. a good answer. Just wanted to ask in the german channel if it is worse to fiddle with that thing at all. Thanks.
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673 [06:47:56] <n4dir> another question: i follow the instructions for the internal broadcom: BCM4313 ; both ifconfig and ip a; show the device after doing so, but wicd-gtk says no wireless networks found
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675 [06:49:09] <dgp> n4dir: That could be it just not working or something like rfkill disabling the radio. Looking at dmesg may help
676 [06:49:53] <n4dir> WLC_SCAN error (-22)
677 [06:50:42] <n4dir> "just not working". i was told broadcam is known for permanent problems (and that is my experience too). Hence i worked around with dongles, but that one died, and the AVM one is the problem from above.
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679 [06:53:19] <dgp> Is there any other output from the boardcom driver before the scan error?
680 [06:54:56] <n4dir> replaced-url
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682 [06:56:09] <n4dir> not sure if the "firmware failed to load " messages are boot messages or *after* i tried to install the wl module again.
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684 [06:57:21] <dgp> I don't see the messages about loading the firmware. Do you have the broadcom firmware package installed?
685 [06:57:46] <Michael72> For the 5th time I'm trying to send a bug report to the bug tracker by email client and reportbug, but in response no reaction.
686 [06:58:33] <Michael72> What could be the reason?
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688 [07:00:59] <n4dir> dgp: i followed the instructions from the debian wiki. You mean this package (yes, it is installed): ii broadcom-sta-dkms
689 [07:02:31] <dgp> n4dir: I think you need this too firmware-brcm80211
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696 [07:04:23] <n4dir> installed it, but no gain. It is available right after installing?
697 [07:04:28] <dgp> When the driver loads you should see it say it's loading the firmware, the version etc and maybe something to say the firmware is running on the wifi
698 [07:04:40] <dgp> you'll probably need to unload the module and load it again
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701 [07:08:06] <n4dir> mh. same messages dmesg gave before. btw: it says: Broadcom BCM4727; while the chipset is: BCM4313
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703 [07:08:48] <dgp> n4dir: Does it still say it can't load the firmware?
704 [07:10:01] <n4dir> no. That happens during boot (always), iirc. it says WLC_SCAN error (-22)
705 [07:10:56] <dgp> how are you doing the scan? iw scan?
706 [07:11:09] <n4dir> the complete new dmesg message: replaced-url
707 [07:12:43] <dgp> It looks like the broadcom-sta driver doesn't work with that chip and you need the older b43 one instead
708 [07:13:44] <n4dir> Thanks. Let me try that, but later. Your help is much appreciated.
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710 [07:17:06] <dgp> Other places say that brcmsmac from the kernel should work too. I think if you unload wl and brcmsmac and reload brcmsmac it should load the firmware and come up
711 [07:17:19] <dgp> then you need to remove wl so it doesn't get loaded anymore
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714 [07:19:04] <n4dir> yeah, that is and always has been going on back and forth, some saying this (driver), some the other. It worked in the past, but never was much fun to set up. Now it doesn't work at all anymore
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716 [07:20:18] <n4dir> how do i iw scan? I did : iw scan wlp4s0b1; but that gives me the help of "iw".
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718 [07:21:16] <dgp> iw wlp4s0b1 scan
719 [07:21:23] <n4dir> ha. thanks
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782 [08:32:43] <darxmurf> where can I check who did shutdown a machine ?
783 [08:32:59] <darxmurf> I can find the last logged user in the lastlog but don't find info about the shutdown
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798 [08:47:56] <diogenes_> darxmurf, maybe something like: printf "$(last -x|grep shutdown)"
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800 [08:48:41] <at0m> darxmurf: any info on who did su/sudo? /var/log/auth.log
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820 [09:22:17] <darxmurf> hmm nothing clear in there
821 [09:23:07] <darxmurf> Well I took the last logged user in the logs
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838 [09:37:48] <thnee> Anyone noticed that right clicking in google chrome is a bit broken? Using the official .deb on debian testing
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840 [09:40:38] <jelly> thnee: do you mean Chromium? The build calling itself "Chrome" only comes from Google and is not part of Debian
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842 [09:41:03] <jelly> ,v chromium
843 [09:41:04] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 67.0.3396.87-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.0.3440.75-2; sid: 68.0.3440.75-2; experimental: 69.0.3497.12-1
844 [09:41:31] <jelly> also,
845 [09:41:34] <jelly> !debian-next
846 [09:41:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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859 [10:03:39] <tdn> When I type "man update-smart-drivedb" it indicates there should be a /usr/sbin/update-smart-drivedb command. However, this command does not seem to be installed by the package. What gives? How do I get the /usr/sbin/update-smart-drivedb command?
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864 [10:05:19] <ghenry> Hi all. Anyone know of a tool to check total size of a directory against a file SIZE variable/env/var and then remove files to match that var/env SIZE or of a certain age?
865 [10:05:34] <ghenry> I'm thinking find and stat etc. or writing my own wee tool
866 [10:05:46] <ghenry> Sort of enforced file system quotas
867 [10:06:04] <ghenry> I suppose, dening new files is better than deleting in the first place.
868 [10:07:01] <ghenry> bbl
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878 [10:17:31] <netsrot> Hi, where can I find packages for squeeze? When I try to use historical.packages.debian.org I get "Not found" error page.
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885 [10:22:52] <bellbreaker> Is openldap on debian stretch linked to gnutls meaning it will not work with openSSL certs as described for squeeze here: replaced-url
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891 [10:28:41] <Brigo> netsrot, archive.debian.org
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924 [11:01:57] <thnee> jelly: No I mean google chrome
925 [11:02:55] <jelly> best ask in -next then
926 [11:03:04] <jelly> wfm on stretch
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970 [11:53:06] <markc_> Hi, is there a known problem with KDE/Plasma packages for testing?
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973 [11:54:14] <lambocrypt> Hey i connected external mic on 3.5 mm jack and it shows plugin in sound settings but when i record my audio i only hear white noise...what to do ?
974 [11:54:52] <Fox> !debian-next
975 [11:54:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
976 [11:54:59] <Fox> markc_: ^
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978 [11:55:25] <markc_> Fox: thanks
979 [11:55:57] <lambocrypt> is that audio driver giving problem or something else ? or do i need to change settings in alsamixer
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1002 [12:13:17] <lambocrypt> can any one know how to fix above microphone problem
1003 [12:13:18] <lambocrypt> 3.
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1006 [12:15:30] <bellbreaker> when using gnutls-cli-debug -p 389 localhost I get "Server does not support SSL 3.0, TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2" when running openldap on that port. Why are none of the tls protocols open? I have not configured a minimum tls version for slapd
1007 [12:16:20] <petn-randall> bellbreaker: ldaps is not on 389, but on a different port. Check /etc/services, it lists all well-known ports.
1008 [12:18:04] <bellbreaker> also 636 doesn't work
1009 [12:18:13] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
1010 [12:18:13] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1013 [12:18:44] <petn-randall> bellbreaker: See above ^^^. What error do you get?
1014 [12:18:47] <bellbreaker> fails with the same error :)
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1018 [12:19:36] <bellbreaker> I've been trying to set up openldap with tls primarily following this guide replaced-url
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1021 [12:19:58] <petn-randall> !tutorial
1022 [12:19:58] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
1023 [12:20:14] <bellbreaker> well hold on
1024 [12:20:20] <petn-randall> bellbreaker: So did you set up TLS, and then restart slapd?
1025 [12:20:29] <bellbreaker> I did try to set it up without the tutorial first
1026 [12:22:13] <bellbreaker> so what I did first was generate my own server certificate and keys from my own CA, but that was using easyrsa and the debian ldap page mentions that the certs should be signed using certtool from gnutls-bin, so I did that and no luck. Therefore I reverted to the tutorial just to check if I could even get it to work with a simple ca and self-signed certificate. I set the olcTLS parameters and update
1027 [12:22:19] <bellbreaker> them using ldapmodify, restart slapd using systemctl restart slapd and try to check if tls is working using ldapwhoami -H ldap:// -x -ZZ
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1029 [12:22:54] <bellbreaker> this results in ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11) additional info: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated
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1032 [12:23:13] <petn-randall> bellbreaker: I'd check the server logs, maybe it has useful info there.
1033 [12:23:22] <bellbreaker> so I check if tls is working at all on either port 389 where the starttls should be enabled as far as I can tell using the gnutls-cli-debug command i listed before
1034 [12:23:33] <bellbreaker> but that says that no tls or ssl protocol is enabled
1035 [12:23:43] <bellbreaker> I'll do that now yes
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1044 [12:28:23] <bellbreaker> no logs are generated, I think the connection does not make it through at all
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1046 [12:28:30] <bellbreaker> starting slapd with -d any now
1047 [12:29:15] <petn-randall> bellbreaker: Can you share the complete command + output of your gnutls-cli-debug command to replaced-url
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1051 [12:34:43] <bellbreaker> replaced-url
1052 [12:35:01] <bellbreaker> on port 636 it's identical except for the port number
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1057 [12:39:40] <bellbreaker> right so in the slapd logs I get connection_read(13): TLS accept failure error=-1 id=1000, closing
1058 [12:39:48] <bellbreaker> when trying a ldapwhoami
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1062 [12:44:23] <petn-randall> bellbreaker: Does unencrypted access work?
1063 [12:44:38] <bellbreaker> yes
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1069 [12:47:37] <bellbreaker> setting GNUTLS_DEBUG_LEVEL=15 as suggested here: replaced-url
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1071 [12:48:19] <bellbreaker> and it terminates at "TLS: can't accept: No supported cipher suites have been found.."
1072 [12:48:31] <bellbreaker> which makes sense since gnutls-cli-debug tells me that I don't have any
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1080 [12:51:11] <bellbreaker> I wish it would tell me which certificates it has
1081 [12:51:24] <bellbreaker> because I pointed slapd to my own ca certificate
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1120 [13:34:33] <bellbreaker> Is it just a problem with GnuTLS then?
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1141 [13:55:04] <bassil> do you guys know if Debian 9 works with broadcom drivers out of the box?
1142 [13:55:05] <bellbreaker> must the ldap server have a hostname of ldap? or can it be anything?
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1145 [13:56:03] <Brigo> bassil, most probably you will need firmware from non-free
1146 [13:56:16] <bassil> ok
1147 [13:56:21] <Brigo> that isn't configured out of the box.
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1150 [13:57:23] <bites> bassil: you will have to tell us which card it is exactly. some broadcom firmware is not freely distributable, even in non-free.
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1153 [13:57:43] <bassil> I understand, thank you
1154 [13:58:14] <bassil> right now I can't because it's stuck with a xubuntu install that doesn't even have Ethernet working
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1156 [13:58:23] <bassil> but thank you
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1158 [13:58:54] <bites> bassil: most will work with the firmware installer image, which is the normal installer with additional non-free firmware included.
1159 [13:59:28] <bassil> normal cd1?
1160 [13:59:57] <bites> no, you can get it from here: replaced-url
1161 [14:00:11] <bassil> oh man thank you
1162 [14:00:22] <bites> no problem, good luck .
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1164 [14:04:16] <arora> Is there a list of banned users?
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1168 [14:05:47] <FinalX> arora: /mode #debian +b
1169 [14:05:58] <FinalX> or just /bans in some clients
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1174 [14:08:49] <satran> I'm trying to install gnome on a fresh install on sid. I get `gnome : Depends: gnome-core (= 1:3.22+9) but it is not going to be installed.` I have done an autoclean and autoremove but no progress.
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1177 [14:09:32] <Fasti> Looking for a command line tool for sending mail to smtp server with attachment - STARTTLS / office365 compatible any clues?
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1180 [14:10:08] <FinalX> mutt?
1181 [14:10:25] <dka> hi, i have a x1 carbon lenovo on debian 8 , i have just started up and the mouse is working except the left click
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1183 [14:10:40] <dka> I have tried to left click using pad and using the x1 carbon mouse buttons
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1185 [14:10:53] <dka> That was working fine before, any idea how to solve that?
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1188 [14:13:32] <SwedeMike> ml
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1193 [14:25:13] <bellbreaker> When I run ldapmodify to add entries for olcTLSCertificateFile, this does not show up anywhere in slapd.d. Is this supposed to happen?
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1200 [14:32:17] <Fasti> dka .... is it a many button mouse? you might need replaced-url
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1202 [14:35:20] <dka> no its the mouse included in the laptop
1203 [14:35:28] <dka> i have no usb mouth
1204 [14:35:42] <dka> I managed to desactivate the sensitive pad
1205 [14:36:01] <dka> apparently the left click was pressed the whole time making inefficient the click
1206 [14:36:06] <dka> Probably because of dust....
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1209 [14:38:08] <Fasti> dka, ahh, normally touchpads are just standard ps/2 style connections
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1211 [14:38:32] <Fasti> been a while since i tried one.....im on servers not desktops
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1261 [15:32:12] <Moussa> petn-randall, just a follow up on yesterday ZFS RAM usage
1262 [15:32:17] <Moussa> replaced-url
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1281 [15:41:16] <mixfix41> hi i was looking to find this git repository git://git.debian.org/pkg-bluetooth/sbc.git
1282 [15:41:30] <mixfix41> but im unsure if i stumbled upon the same package
1283 [15:42:11] <mixfix41> pertains to this issue : replaced-url
1284 [15:42:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1287 [15:43:16] <MaxFrames> hi
1288 [15:43:17] <mixfix41> but i dont use debian at all. just that repo it helps
1289 [15:43:57] <petn-randall> mixfix41: Does it exist? What makes you think it should exist?
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1293 [15:44:10] <mixfix41> because its a solution
1294 [15:44:20] <mixfix41> they only got rid of it some months back im sure
1295 [15:44:24] <mixfix41> even without checking
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1297 [15:45:04] <MaxFrames> I'm in a bit of a tangle here. I created a test virtual machine on hyper-v on windows 10, and now I need to migrate it to hyper-v on windows 2008 r2, but 2008 does not support the virtual hard disk format (vhdx) so I had to convert it to vhd.... but now it's not bootable and I've been told that I need to start the virtual machine with the debian iso, with the vhd attached to it...
1298 [15:45:16] <MaxFrames> ...and fix grub on the vhd so to make it bootable
1299 [15:45:25] <MaxFrames> can you give me directions how to?
1300 [15:45:41] <MaxFrames> of course the vm is debian 9.5
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1302 [15:46:32] <petn-randall> mixfix41: And how did you find out about it?
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1304 [15:47:08] <lambocrypt> i accidently deleted audio drivers
1305 [15:47:11] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: How is this issue related to Debian? Seems like a windows issue to me.
1306 [15:47:13] <lambocrypt> how do i reinstall it
1307 [15:47:22] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: How did you delete them?
1308 [15:47:41] <lambocrypt> actually my mic was giving white noise output
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1310 [15:47:53] <lambocrypt> so i tried to add realtec drivers
1311 [15:47:58] <MaxFrames> petn-randall: I expected this objection. let's forget all the windows stuff, and just say I have this debian machine with a hard disk that isn't bootable anymore so I need to fix grub on it and make it bootable again
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1313 [15:48:08] <lambocrypt> but got errors and previous drivers was not showing
1314 [15:48:15] <lambocrypt> alsa mixer is also not opening
1315 [15:48:20] <MaxFrames> so I boot the machine with the debian install dvd and....?
1316 [15:48:40] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: You still didn't answer my question. It is "how did you delete the audio drivers?"
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1319 [15:49:25] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: What boot errors do you get? If you corrupted the disk there's not much to fix.
1320 [15:49:43] <lambocrypt> it was automaticallly got deleted becuz i installed new driver
1321 [15:49:43] <MaxFrames> the bios just does not find a bootable disk at all
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1323 [15:50:05] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: HOW? Give us details. Command you ran, output you got, etc.
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1326 [15:50:25] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Or did you just yell "Alexa! Delete the audio drivers for me!"
1327 [15:50:29] <MaxFrames> isn't there a way to boot to a terminal and run some commands to restore grub on a hard disk?
1328 [15:50:36] <lambocrypt> i hv rebooted and terminal output was gone
1329 [15:50:48] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: How is there a Debian issue if your VM doesn't even find a boot disk?
1330 [15:50:58] <lambocrypt> there were compilation errors in that new driver that causes problem
1331 [15:51:04] <mixfix41> petn-randall: i used it
1332 [15:51:09] <mixfix41> petn-randall: this is on arm
1333 [15:51:11] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Then I recommend reinstalling from scratch.
1334 [15:51:25] <petn-randall> !xy problem
1335 [15:51:25] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
1336 [15:51:26] <lambocrypt> what os or driver
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1338 [15:51:28] <petn-randall> mixfix41: ^^^
1339 [15:51:32] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: OS.
1340 [15:51:32] <MaxFrames> it does not find a boot disk because the boot sector has to be rebuilt. how do I rebuild it in debian?
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1342 [15:51:38] <lambocrypt> :-(
1343 [15:51:54] <lambocrypt> there is no other solution available ??
1344 [15:52:00] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: If you don't remember what you did, the only sure way to recover is to reinstall.
1345 [15:52:20] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: How should we know? My crystall ball is broken, I cannot know what you did that you broke your system.
1346 [15:52:22] <mixfix41> lambocrypt: you could tryto rebuild the kernel modules for alsa
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1349 [15:52:31] <mixfix41> make modules or something like that
1350 [15:52:39] <lambocrypt> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
1351 [15:52:42] <lambocrypt> i got this error
1352 [15:52:46] <mixfix41> not sure how you got there in the first place tho
1353 [15:52:48] <lambocrypt> after installing new driver
1354 [15:52:48] <petn-randall> mixfix41: You're for some reason assuming they built their kernel by hand.
1355 [15:52:54] <lambocrypt> in alsamixer
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1358 [15:53:14] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: If you can't recall what you did, reinstall. Or restore from backups.
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1360 [15:53:53] <linuxbox> i'm trying to install the irc plugin for kopete on debian but have no idea how to compile
1361 [15:54:24] <mixfix41> grab the source make make install. but thats why they have build scripts and/or package managers for
1362 [15:54:37] <lambocrypt> petn-randall i extarcted tar.gz2 of driver and just type ./install
1363 [15:54:57] <lambocrypt> and it automatically performed some operation like compiling etc.
1364 [15:55:14] <MaxFrames> well, I answered my own question. you boot off the debian install cd, choose the repair install mode, go through the wizard and choose the option to rebuild grub on /dev/sda
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1366 [15:55:29] <linuxbox> mixfix41: so how can I tell if there's a build script?
1367 [15:55:48] <mixfix41> if its for debian im not too sure
1368 [15:55:55] <linuxbox> mixfix41: i found this here -> replaced-url
1369 [15:55:59] <petn-randall> !dontbreakdebian
1370 [15:55:59] <dpkg> dont break debian is probably replaced-url
1371 [15:56:00] <MaxFrames> as you can see, it was neither a windows problem nor a corrupted disk, just a case of missing boot info
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1373 [15:56:10] <petn-randall> !tell lambocrypt -about dontbreakdebian
1374 [15:56:23] <MaxFrames> thanks anyway
1375 [15:56:30] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: The bot sent you a message. I'd read that page, and then reinstall.
1376 [15:56:51] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: Sure, you can try booting the installer, and then try fixing the system.
1377 [15:57:01] <lambocrypt> petn-randall: alsaconf: not found this error was the first error when compiling new driver of realtec
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1379 [15:57:15] * petn-randall shrugs.
1380 [15:57:41] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: I don't care about the error you get now. I've told you several times now the only clean way is to reinstall.
1381 [15:58:10] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: If you don't recall how you broke the system, there's no way for us to help you fix the system.\
1382 [15:58:35] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Read the dontbreakdebian factoid, it has good hints to avoid such cases in the future.
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1386 [16:00:44] <lambocrypt> yes i hve used ubuntu tutorial to fix my microphone problem and thing got broken
1387 [16:01:56] <petn-randall> That's no surprise.
1388 [16:01:58] <lambocrypt> hda intel driver was missing
1389 [16:01:58] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1390 [16:01:58] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1391 [16:02:28] <lambocrypt> ok
1392 [16:02:42] <mixfix41> linuxbox: you could look at this replaced-url
1393 [16:03:12] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: snd_hda_intel has been in the Debian kernel for 10(?) years now, so that was not your issue. Do you have any other question besides your audio driver issue that is solved by reinstalling?
1394 [16:03:52] <linuxbox> mixfix41: that looks like the instructions on how to install kopete itself from make lol
1395 [16:04:07] <linuxbox> i've got it installed on debian already, just need the plugin
1396 [16:04:21] <lambocrypt> i think i should try to install sound driver again
1397 [16:04:43] <linuxbox> strange that the original creator never compiled a .deb version for folks
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1399 [16:05:49] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: There is no "sound driver". There are kernel modules, ALSA libraries, a pulsaudio daemon and many more things on the system that could be called "sounds driver". If you don't know what you overwrote, reinstalling is the only sane way to get it fixed.
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1402 [16:06:07] <linuxbox> it does indeed look like i'd have to have cmake installed to even beginning compiling this plugin
1403 [16:06:34] <linuxbox> all so I can have a prettier looking gui for irc lol
1404 [16:06:41] <petn-randall> linuxbox: Maybe it's easier to just one of the many IRC clients in Debian that work out of the box.
1405 [16:06:46] <petn-randall> *use
1406 [16:06:50] <mixfix41> is pidgin a fork of kopete
1407 [16:07:03] <lambocrypt> i think i interfare with kernel modules
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1409 [16:07:33] <linuxbox> mixfix41: naw pidgin is a fork of gaim
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1411 [16:08:02] <linuxbox> it's just ugly because they based it on gtk
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1413 [16:08:37] <linuxbox> the guys at kopete really should just include a maintained irc plugin :(
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1417 [16:10:06] <lambocrypt> petn-randall: i hv lappy where debian is installed ... i will crockcheck and let u know and i wiil send u link of screenshot
1418 [16:11:21] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: no thanks
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1420 [16:12:15] <lambocrypt> -_-
1421 [16:13:03] <n4dir> re-installation could have already finished ...
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1423 [16:13:57] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: It's as if you're completely ignoring my advice, and stubbonly trying to fiddle with the issue as if it was fixable. I guess I'll have to set you to /ignore if you continue.
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1430 [16:16:52] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Have you read replaced-url
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1436 [16:19:20] <lambocrypt> yep i already read that time when i installed debian
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1439 [16:20:18] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: So you already read that and then decided to ignore #4 anyway?
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1447 [16:25:48] <peedabee> petn-randall, some people should learn to do their silly stuff in containers :)
1448 [16:26:31] <Fox> they would still break containers and ask how to fix here :)
1449 [16:26:49] <peedabee> coach them to use alpine containers
1450 [16:27:15] <peedabee> They can bother the people over there :)
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1454 [16:29:02] <Neobenedict> hia trying to install debian. what option do i pick in the installer so I can install as software raid 0?
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1459 [16:30:48] <peedabee> Neobenedict, manual partitioning in the installation menu
1460 [16:31:09] <peedabee> create the raid partitions -> create md device -> procede with installation
1461 [16:31:10] <Neobenedict> "graphical expert install"?
1462 [16:31:34] <Neobenedict> i dont see manual partitioning at the top level
1463 [16:31:35] <Neobenedict> menu
1464 [16:31:49] <jelly> Neobenedict: expert install (doesn't need to be graphical but I guess it can), manual partitioning, set up partitions as you like on all the disks, then set up md raid0 over the relevant partition set
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1466 [16:33:25] <n4dir> i dont think for manual partitioning the expert mofe is required.
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1468 [16:34:34] <jelly> but expert install is the best install
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1471 [16:35:28] <n4dir> nevee found a use in it - besides it sounds cool :)
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1493 [16:45:28] <peedabee> I have never even seen the graphical installer debian has, I just realized. Is it any good?
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1495 [16:46:03] <jelly> it's exactly the same stuff as the text installer, only with a window
1496 [16:46:09] <jelly> and mouse support
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1498 [16:46:20] <Kelsar> shiny!
1499 [16:46:36] <Kelsar> has it fancy effects? like a desktop cube?
1500 [16:46:37] <petn-randall> And 256 colours!
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1502 [16:47:35] * peedabee is blown away, will have to try it next time!
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1507 [16:53:00] <Neobenedict> jelly: do i need LVM
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1509 [16:53:48] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: it's not a requirement, but definitely a nice addition.
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1511 [16:54:02] <Neobenedict> so here is where I am at now replaced-url
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1513 [16:54:08] <Neobenedict> I want to now add my partitions like / and /home etc
1514 [16:54:13] <Neobenedict> do I go to LVM?
1515 [16:54:57] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Do you want LVM?
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1517 [16:55:39] <Neobenedict> i guess?
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1519 [16:55:39] <Neobenedict> idk
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1521 [16:56:35] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: LVM is nice because it allows to snapshot filesystems, and move them to other disks if you ever want to migrate to a faster RAID. It makes your setup more complex, though.
1522 [16:56:49] <Neobenedict> snapshot filesystems for sure
1523 [16:56:51] <Neobenedict> since this is raid 0
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1525 [16:56:54] <Neobenedict> need those backups >.>
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1528 [16:57:17] <Neobenedict> so I install LVM, then how do I make my / and /home partitions?
1529 [16:57:25] <Neobenedict> is that done within LVM?
1530 [16:57:28] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Then you create a PV over the whole RAID0, then create a LV each for / and /home.
1531 [16:57:30] <greycat> yes
1532 [16:57:37] <Neobenedict> ok so i will make lvm now
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1537 [17:02:34] <Neobenedict> does this look correct?
1538 [17:02:35] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
1539 [17:03:40] <jelly> Neobenedict: you do not need lvm. If you want raid0 presumably you want to squeeze every possible ounce of performance, and adding another layer won't help there.
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1541 [17:04:02] <jelly> so... why do you want raid0, Neobenedict?
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1543 [17:04:54] <jelly> and does this system boot with UEFI or legacy boot firmware?
1544 [17:04:59] <Neobenedict> uefi
1545 [17:05:12] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: I wouldn't make the filesystems so ginormous, 20 GB for / is already huge, unless you plan on having huge databases also on /.
1546 [17:05:30] <jelly> then I'll withdraw from any partitioning answers, don't know how UEFI and GPT as supposed to look.
1547 [17:05:40] <Neobenedict> well
1548 [17:05:42] <Neobenedict> it can boot both
1549 [17:05:49] <Neobenedict> which should I use?
1550 [17:06:01] <jelly> whichever you know best
1551 [17:06:07] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: With LVM you can always increase the LVM size on the fly, so you don't need to make the partition so huge.
1552 [17:06:15] <Neobenedict> petn-randall: ok noted
1553 [17:06:19] <Neobenedict> and yeah i wanna play with lvm
1554 [17:06:27] <Neobenedict> now that i've learned about it
1555 [17:06:35] <petn-randall> hehehe
1556 [17:06:46] <petn-randall> Just remember to make regular backups!
1557 [17:06:51] <Neobenedict> mhm
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1563 [17:07:52] <jelly> if it were legacy BIOS boot, and MBR format and two disks, I'd suggest making a single 500MB partition with md raid1 and metadata 0.9 format for /boot, put ext3 on top, and another huge partition for md raid0 and lvm PV and lvm.
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1566 [17:08:17] <petn-randall> metadata 0.9? I wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole.
1567 [17:08:36] <petn-randall> You know it has alignment bugs, that can be triggered, right?
1568 [17:09:01] <jelly> yes.
1569 [17:09:19] <jelly> I also know that is does not matter for /boot at all
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1571 [17:09:35] <jelly> and that it gives a lot more boot loader options if need be
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1573 [17:10:23] <jelly> /boot is not typically a fs that takes thousands of iops in normal work
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1575 [17:11:25] <gkwhc> hey guys, i just made a udev rule & script but it is not executing. how can i diagnose it?
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1577 [17:11:32] <Neobenedict> thats a little over my head jelly rn lol
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1579 [17:12:05] <Neobenedict> is it worth making a lvm partition for /boot
1580 [17:12:06] <petn-randall> jelly: "It is also possible for there to be confusion about whether the superblock applies to a whole device or just the last partition, if that partition starts on a 64K boundary."
1581 [17:12:31] <jelly> petn-randall: show me an installation where /boot is the LAST partition
1582 [17:12:45] <Neobenedict> probably mine all things considered
1583 [17:12:49] <Neobenedict> i'd mess it up like that
1584 [17:12:49] <Neobenedict> :D
1585 [17:12:52] <petn-randall> Meaning: If you have a mdadm partition at 1MB, the kernel will assume the RAID spans the complete disk.
1586 [17:13:04] <jelly> no installer will do that
1587 [17:13:12] <petn-randall> jelly: Sure, for /boot it's not the case, but I'd just avoid that just to be safe.
1588 [17:13:21] <jelly> sure okay
1589 [17:13:37] <jelly> but then you can't use grub-legacy or lilo.
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1591 [17:13:58] <greycat> people still use lilo?
1592 [17:14:03] <jelly> yes
1593 [17:14:08] <Neobenedict> does /boot need ext3?
1594 [17:14:18] <petn-randall> I'd like to meet that one person.
1595 [17:14:48] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: grub2 can also read ext4, but jelly is being extra-cautious.
1596 [17:15:00] <jelly> well maybe all your systems are up-to-date and you never have to deal with anything legacy
1597 [17:15:12] <lambocrypt> petn-randall: i figureout the problem ...when i type aplay -l command on virtualbox debin it shows intel8280 something ok but when i type on my desktop debian it says no soundcards found...
1598 [17:15:26] <jelly> and never have only old rescue images handy on some remote location
1599 [17:16:04] <jelly> but that specific setup provides a lot of flexibility
1600 [17:16:25] <jelly> Neobenedict: it can also be ext2 :-)
1601 [17:16:32] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: You're still lost. You still need to reinstall.
1602 [17:16:41] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Have you reinstalled yet?
1603 [17:17:06] <jelly> or use defaults and live with grub2, that's probably just fine
1604 [17:17:47] <greycat> The vast majority of people would just use the defaults.
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1606 [17:17:58] <lambocrypt> not bro becuz on my host system there were so many useful files first i will try to fix if it isnt then i will reinstall
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1608 [17:18:26] <jelly> lambocrypt: backup useful files, reinstall, put them back
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1614 [17:20:45] <lambocrypt> me and one person on linux forum having same problem and his issue got fixed by just reinstalling kernel
1615 [17:20:47] <lambocrypt> :-)
1616 [17:21:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o petn-randall
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1619 [17:21:44] <RoyK> lambocrypt: using kvm instead of vbox may help a bit
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1621 [17:22:10] <RoyK> lambocrypt: virtualbox is an oracle product and not especially well supported on debian, after all
1622 [17:22:52] <petn-randall> RoyK: It's irrelevant for their issue. They've just run some random `./install.sh` as root on their host system, hosed their Debian installation, and against all better judgement refuse to reinstall, all the while pestering the channel with non-sense info/questions.
1623 [17:23:13] <petn-randall> lambocrypt: Come back when you have reinstalled. Or see if ##linux is willing to help.
1624 [17:23:32] <greycat> There appears to be a #vbox channel as well.
1625 [17:23:35] <RoyK> petn-randall: hehe - sorry - didn't read everything above ;)
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1627 [17:24:15] <RoyK> perhaps there's a #pebkac channel as well…
1628 [17:24:19] <jelly> esp the +q part, when lambocrypt got muted and is currently unable to comment further for a while
1629 [17:24:36] <petn-randall> Apparently 3 hours into the issue they're comparing a VM installation with their hosed OS in hope of finding out what happened, even though they don't remember which install.sh they ran or where it came from.
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1631 [17:24:46] <jelly> RoyK: ALL the channels on freenode are #pebcak
1632 [17:24:57] <RoyK> not really
1633 [17:24:58] <petn-randall> At this point they would have save 2 hours of their live if they just had reinstalled.
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1638 [17:28:30] <Neobenedict> okay
1639 [17:28:32] <Neobenedict> which kernel do i install
1640 [17:28:45] <greycat> ...
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1642 [17:28:47] <Neobenedict> linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64
1643 [17:28:54] <greycat> They're the same.
1644 [17:29:00] <Neobenedict> then why are both listed :(
1645 [17:29:24] <greycat> linux-image-amd64 is like a symlink to the "latest stable kernel" package, which at this very moment happens to be linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64
1646 [17:29:33] <Neobenedict> ah
1647 [17:29:34] <Neobenedict> thanks
1648 [17:29:34] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: One is a meta-package depending on the latest kernel, the other is exactly that version.
1649 [17:30:45] <jelly> Neobenedict: install the one with the shorter name.
1650 [17:30:53] <petn-randall> hehe
1651 [17:31:45] <jelly> and if the dumb partitioning tool wants to span your /home over the WHOLE LVM volume group, do not let it
1652 [17:32:23] * jelly can't remember whether he searched for a bug report about that or not, probably not
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1665 [17:45:11] <Ether_Man> Hi. I'm trying to follow along with replaced-url
1666 [17:45:11] <Ether_Man> kopano-server is sysconfig.txt and apparmor.d dir. replaced-url
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1668 [17:45:59] <greycat> you're looking at a /sid/ link ... are you on sid?
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1670 [17:46:18] <Ether_Man> Yes
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1678 [17:47:30] <Ether_Man> No wait... Damn. I'm not, I'm on testing... Damn it... I selected unstable >_<
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1681 [17:48:54] <petn-randall> Ether_Man: At least both package versions seem to be the same, so the results should be the same.
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1688 [17:52:08] <ssarah> hei, is there a way to see color in manpages ?
1689 [17:52:27] <ssarah> (through a ssh session)
1690 [17:52:58] <greycat> Same way you see colors locally.
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1692 [17:53:03] <chrono> #debian ♥︎️
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1699 [17:56:06] <petn-randall> ssarah: By default man pages don't come with colours.
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1701 [17:56:44] <ssarah> petn-randall i did it using the apt install most; export PAGER=most thing
1702 [17:56:51] <ssarah> was wondering if there was a more standard way
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1706 [17:58:09] <Ether_Man> There, now I'm on sid properly with upgraded package but still missing files. Even reinstalling the package doesn't seem to install the example configs :/
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1709 [17:58:40] <petn-randall> ssarah: Oh nice, I didn't notice that. I guess for it to work over SSH, you need to set the correct XTERM.
1710 [17:58:43] <petn-randall> !xterm
1711 [17:58:44] <dpkg> xterm is a terminal emulator for the X Window System. replaced-url
1712 [17:58:59] <petn-randall> err, TERM
1713 [17:59:01] <petn-randall> !term
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1716 [17:59:59] <Asdp> Hello people.
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1721 [18:01:47] <Asdp> Can anyone help me? Need to reset Debian 8 Env's. I messed up the problem is: root@server:/root# cd | -bash: cd: HOME not set
1722 [18:02:13] <petn-randall> Asdp: How did you break it?
1723 [18:02:19] <greycat> Log out and back in.
1724 [18:02:42] <petn-randall> Asdp: If you just set it wrong in the terminal, greycat's advice is enough.
1725 [18:02:44] <Asdp> i think when i've done: source /etc/apache2/envvars
1726 [18:02:51] <greycat> HOME should be set by the login stuff, whether sshd or getty+login or systemd-logind.
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1728 [18:03:46] <Asdp> oh
1729 [18:03:58] <Asdp> thanks greycat :)
1730 [18:04:06] <Asdp> and you guys.
1731 [18:04:25] <greycat> sourcing a file will execute all of the commands in that file in the current shell, which could do anything at all to the current shell, but hopefully not to the passwd file
1732 [18:04:48] <Asdp> im feeling better now
1733 [18:04:55] <Asdp> logging out and back in fixed the problem
1734 [18:05:28] <Asdp> Im trying out to block the Tor network
1735 [18:05:47] <Neobenedict> ok this is a disaster already
1736 [18:05:49] <Neobenedict> where does /boot go
1737 [18:05:53] <Neobenedict> on the LVM?
1738 [18:05:57] <Neobenedict> there is nowhere else I can put it
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1740 [18:06:00] <Asdp> cuz im getting a lot of DoS attacks throwt Pyloris...
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1742 [18:07:25] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: I'd keep it on a separate RAID1 partition in front of your RAID0. You can also put it on your RAID0+LVM, but any breakage there will make grub2 not work anymore.
1743 [18:07:49] <Neobenedict> yes but I get grub fatal error petn-randall
1744 [18:07:52] <Neobenedict> when trying to install grub
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1750 [18:09:54] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: What error exactly? It might happen if you didn't create partitions on your two disks but used both naked disks as members of RAID0.
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1752 [18:10:12] <Neobenedict> no error
1753 [18:10:15] <Neobenedict> just says fatal error
1754 [18:10:37] <Neobenedict> spews some garbage about EFI even though I am not installing nor booting using EFI
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1756 [18:10:46] <Neobenedict> selecting yes or no results in same fatal error
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1758 [18:11:29] <jelly> debian installer miht THINK you're booting using UEFI
1759 [18:11:44] * Neobenedict cries
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1768 [18:14:16] <jelly> (but then you need like 1 or 2 more partitions, one EF00 type for efi vars and boot loaders, and maybe one more for grub's stage2? No idea)
1769 [18:14:52] <jelly> I don't even know how to force debian-installer to use the MBR/BIOS boot way or the GPT/UEFI way
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1772 [18:16:47] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Do you have any other OS installed?
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1774 [18:17:08] <Neobenedict> no
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1790 [18:26:10] <jelly> Neobenedict: are your devices larger than 2TiB or smaller?
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1794 [18:26:46] <Neobenedict> smaller
1795 [18:26:53] <Neobenedict> trying again
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1799 [18:27:34] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: If you can, show us the actual error message. We might give you pointers to what went wrong.
1800 [18:27:51] <bites> does the boot setting in bios actually say "lagacy" or something like "legacy first"?
1801 [18:28:10] <choice> Hello! Is it normal that after a fresh install, root has a very different .profile then other users?
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1804 [18:29:05] <petn-randall> choice: sounds plausible to me.
1805 [18:29:16] <Neobenedict> the error is
1806 [18:29:34] <choice> petn-randall: Why?
1807 [18:29:35] <Neobenedict> Unable to install GRUB in /dev/mapper. "Executing grub-install /dev/mapper failed". This is a fatal error.
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1810 [18:30:06] <jelly> Neobenedict: you should install grub to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, not /dev/mapper/anything
1811 [18:30:21] <Neobenedict> ok i will manually specify that
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1816 [18:31:23] <jelly> whichever /dev/sd* devices currently map to your HDDs or SSDs (watch out not to install to usb stick if debian-installer is booted from one)
1817 [18:31:25] <choice> petn-randall: The difference is that the normal users .profile sets PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" and PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH" if those files exists. The root users .profile does not do that. I wonder why.
1818 [18:31:36] <Neobenedict> jelly: install on both SSDs?
1819 [18:31:38] <Neobenedict> or just one of them?
1820 [18:31:41] <Neobenedict> in raid 0
1821 [18:32:08] <jelly> well for raid0 it does not really matter, if you lose one you'll lose all data anyway
1822 [18:32:13] <greycat> because you shouldn't be logging in as root and creating personal ~root/bin/foobar programs
1823 [18:32:36] <jelly> choice: because root can put their own custom stuff in /usr/local/sbin anyway
1824 [18:33:04] <choice> jelly: And root would normally do that and users would normally put their stuff in /home/username/bin"?
1825 [18:33:33] <jelly> choice: that's where custom tools to be used only by admin go, yes
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1828 [18:33:49] <greycat> root should NOT have a personally customized tool set because you should not be logging in as root for ordinary day-to-day work
1829 [18:34:00] <choice> jelly: /usr/local/sbin?
1830 [18:34:05] <jelly> yes
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1832 [18:34:09] <mtn> same as he was told in the mint channel ;)
1833 [18:34:21] <jelly> there's a Mint channel on freenode now?
1834 [18:34:26] <choice> jelly: Why not /root/sbin/ then?
1835 [18:34:42] <greycat> *plonk*
1836 [18:34:43] <mtn> jelly: nope, but there is one on spotchat
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1838 [18:34:53] <jelly> choice: because it's not standardized, and is not present in root's default PATH
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1840 [18:35:02] <choice> jelly: I see.
1841 [18:35:32] <choice> So it's kind of a historical thing.
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1843 [18:35:45] <jelly> there's zero reason to make a second nonstandard path member just for root when one already exists
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1845 [18:35:53] <annadane> any opinions on replaced-url
1846 [18:36:08] <jelly> does tldp.org work again?
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1848 [18:36:35] <greycat> abs is notoriously riddled with bad advice
1849 [18:36:41] <Neobenedict> thank you jelly
1850 [18:36:46] <ksk> annadane: tldp is crap and teaches you to write bugs.
1851 [18:36:47] <annadane> all right, noted
1852 [18:36:48] <jelly> annadane: I would trust that wooly person as far as I can throw a grey cat!
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1859 [18:39:51] <choice> jelly: None of my machines has anything in /usr/local/sbin/. Is only stuff in there that one puts in manually?
1860 [18:39:59] <jelly> choice: yes
1861 [18:40:16] <choice> jelly: Interesting.
1862 [18:40:47] <jelly> that's pretty much the definition of the whole /usr/local in FHS or FSSTND
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1864 [18:40:57] <choice> On my Debian machines, there is also nothing in /usr/local/bin/. On my Mint machines, there is some stuff.
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1867 [18:41:57] <jelly> can't comment on derivative distro's adherence to any standards
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1871 [18:43:17] <choice> Is there documentation about the /usr/local/ subdirs somewhere?
1872 [18:43:22] <jelly> !fhs
1873 [18:43:22] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
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1875 [18:44:06] <choice> jelly: Thanks! Interesting.
1876 [18:44:40] <Tom-_> !lsb
1877 [18:44:40] <dpkg> [lsb] Debian is dropping LSB support; see replaced-url
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1907 [19:05:37] <rydare> Im having issues with grub. trying to do the netinstall for testing
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1909 [19:06:12] <rydare> no errors reported when installing or reinstalling grub
1910 [19:06:55] <rydare> but the computer cant find the drive in the boot menu
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1912 [19:07:27] <rydare> its efi, im trying the install again and formatting the egi partition
1913 [19:07:32] <rydare> *efi
1914 [19:08:00] <rydare> since some old linux grubs were showing up
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1938 [19:23:36] <rydare> fixed it
1939 [19:24:00] <rydare> i think the old entries in efi were messing it up
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1969 [19:37:53] <Neobenedict> can someone please help me with bonding, i get the error "bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves" i want 802.3ad / LACP bonding here
1970 [19:37:57] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
1971 [19:38:02] <Neobenedict> of /etc/network/interfaces
1972 [19:38:08] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
1973 [19:38:15] <Neobenedict> cannot pastebin because this has no working internet :p
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2036 [20:30:51] <Azrael_-> hi
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2038 [20:31:02] <Azrael_-> i am running postfix mail server and when testing the server is on no black lists. however still a lot of the recipients tell me my mail went into spam folder. how can i test/analyze/solve this?
2039 [20:31:41] <sorko999> I've found making sure you have SPF records for all outbound domains helps.
2040 [20:32:59] <sorko999> Actually before that, make sure your IP address is properly resolving both ways
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2042 [20:33:33] <Azrael_-> k, the ips are already resolving fine
2043 [20:33:47] <Azrael_-> for spf i have to change my infrastructure a little bit
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2045 [20:35:14] <sorko999> google in particular is starting to defer a lot sooner if the domain doesn't have an SPF. Better if you can set up DKIM as well. That takes a few more steps of course...
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2052 [20:37:45] <Azrael_-> yeah, already read those things up. hoped i could avoid it
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2063 [20:43:04] <Azrael_-> thanks for the hints
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2116 [21:38:23] <cleerline> Hi, I am currently running linux and want to setup linux on a new parition
2117 [21:38:28] <cleerline> I just got a new SSD
2118 [21:38:56] <cleerline> I formated it
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2120 [21:39:20] <cleerline> Now I want to use debootstrap to install debian (or anything really) on to it
2121 [21:39:35] <cleerline> Is this the right place to ask questions about this?
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2130 [21:43:38] <nkuttler> cleerline: sure. personally, i would just use the normal debian installer..
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2132 [21:44:29] <cleerline> I have no DVD/CD or USB at the moment
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2134 [21:44:34] <cleerline> so I cant use the installer
2135 [21:44:38] <nkuttler> i see
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2143 [21:47:40] <cleerline> somedthimg came up. back later
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2164 [22:03:16] <Benedict> how do i map python3 -m cython to /usr/bin/cython3?
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2166 [22:03:58] <Benedict> sudo ln -s '/usr/bin/python3 -m cython' /usr/bin/cython3
2167 [22:03:59] <Benedict> this does not work
2168 [22:04:05] <greycat> dear gods
2169 [22:04:23] <greycat> What you want is a shell script, not a shell command as the target of a symnlink.
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2171 [22:05:05] <greycat> printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec /usr/bin/python3 -m cython "$@"\n' > /usr/local/bin/cython3 && chmod 755 "$_"
2172 [22:06:05] <Benedict> ty
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2174 [22:10:12] <HeXiLeD> jezzz! vlc version installed in this machine is 1.3 ?!? Version: 1:3.0.3-dmo1+deb9u2. debian 9. what repo can be used to get at least version 2?
2175 [22:11:43] <ksk> ,version vlc
2176 [22:11:44] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.0.2-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.2-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.3-1-3+b1; sid: 3.0.3-1-3+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.8-dmo1+deb8u1; stretch-
2177 [22:11:45] <judd> multimedia: 1:3.0.2-dmo1+deb9u2; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.0.4-dmo1
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2180 [22:13:05] <HeXiLeD> stretch security repos
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2182 [22:13:29] <ksk> HeXiLeD: I cannot really explain why, but I think that 1: is part of a debian naming convention, and your vlc is version 3.0.3 ;)
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2184 [22:13:54] <greycat> !epoch
2185 [22:13:54] <dpkg> [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>.
2186 [22:13:56] <wswld> Not related to previous question but does Sid have security updates repos?
2187 [22:14:00] <greycat> god damn it
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2189 [22:14:04] <greycat> !version epoch
2190 [22:14:04] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
2191 [22:15:08] <ksk> grey-cat to the rescue :)
2192 [22:16:21] <ksk> wswld: no, there is no security team/repo/support for sid. thats one of the reasons one should maybe not use it (in production)
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2194 [22:16:53] <greycat> Just in case it being called "unstable" somehow wasn't enough.
2195 [22:17:08] <ksk> !tell wswld about sid security
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2198 [22:18:02] <wswld> Nah, I'm using it as a personal machine, I have Testing on the VPS
2199 [22:18:25] <awal1> wswld, sid have security support done by maintainers/DD's directly for the pkgs they maintain. Stable have a special security team
2200 [22:18:36] <awal1> not sure about testing
2201 [22:19:00] <ksk> !tell wswld about testing security
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2203 [22:19:28] <ksk> !testing security
2204 [22:19:28] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
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2206 [22:19:38] <ksk> as the question arised ;)
2207 [22:20:21] <wswld> dpkg, thanks!
2208 [22:20:22] <dpkg> no worries, wswld
2209 [22:21:01] <at0m> wswld: dpkg is a factoid bot
2210 [22:21:30] <awal1> dpkg: dpkg
2211 [22:21:30] <dpkg> rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
2212 [22:21:44] <at0m> !dpkgbot
2213 [22:21:45] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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2215 [22:22:05] <scwizard> any ideas how I'd set up systemd-resolved to listen on 127.0.0.53?
2216 [22:22:14] <scwizard> "Additionally, systemd-resolved provides a local DNS stub listener on IP address 127.0.0.53 on the local loopback interface. Programs issuing DNS requests directly, bypassing any local API may be directed to this stub, in order to connect them to systemd-resolved." <- from systemd docs
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2222 [22:27:21] <HeXiLeD> ksk: you are correct
2223 [22:29:04] <ksk> thats good to know. see dpkgs comment about version epoch to get to know why there is a leading "1:"
2224 [22:29:13] <teclo-> evening, ffmpeg says "Unknown encoder 'mp3lame'" and also Unknown encoder 'mp3' ... how do I extract audio to mp3 with this ?
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2228 [22:30:57] <ksk> teclo-: your debian version is? IIRC in the past ffmpeg in the repos did not have mp3 because it is nonfree. Im however using ffmpeg from the standard repos on debian9 and have no problems handling mp3.
2229 [22:32:01] <ksk> teclo-: nvermind, its named "libmp3lame", try that.
2230 [22:32:04] <teclo-> ksk: this is 7.11 on an old machine, that I keep in order to run ffmpeg
2231 [22:32:28] <greycat> ... seems like a bizarre thing.
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2233 [22:32:43] <teclo-> ksk: indeed with libmp3lame it works
2234 [22:32:57] <greycat> Why would you need to keep an old version of Debian around to run ffmpeg if your ffmpeg MP3 encoding isn't even working?
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2236 [22:33:02] <ksk> up2date debian versions have ffmpeg, too..
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2238 [22:33:32] <teclo-> greycat: well I know ffmpeg isn't in 8.x
2239 [22:33:37] <greycat> ,v ffmpeg
2240 [22:33:38] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:4.0.2-1+b1; sid: 7:4.0.2-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.7-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:4.0.2-dmo2;
2241 [22:33:39] <judd> sid-multimedia: 10:4.0.2-dmo2
2242 [22:34:07] <greycat> Interesting. Well, it's in stretch, and in jessie-backports.
2243 [22:34:12] <ksk> wasnt there a fork in debian8, with a different name?
2244 [22:34:16] <ksk> ,v libav
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2246 [22:34:17] <judd> No package named 'libav' was found in amd64.
2247 [22:34:20] <ksk> mhhm.
2248 [22:34:22] <teclo-> greycat: indeed, sorry
2249 [22:34:40] <teclo-> well I've alreaedy burned the DVD with Debian GNU/Linux 9.4 but haven't installed it yet
2250 [22:34:45] <teclo-> I should have
2251 [22:35:24] <somiaj> ksk: yes, there was an idea of a split between libav and ffmpeg, but they are both around now.
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2260 [22:45:19] <greycat> dpkg's libav factoid seems to say that there *was* something called libav but judd doesn't seem to know about it...?
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2265 [22:49:00] <greycat> ,v libav-tools
2266 [22:49:01] <judd> Package: libav-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; jessie: 6:11.12-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.12-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.5-1~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1
2267 [22:49:15] <greycat> replaced-url
2268 [22:49:38] <Kelsar> ah, that stupid fork
2269 [22:50:02] <RoyK> , ffmpeg
2270 [22:50:08] <RoyK> ,v ffmpeg
2271 [22:50:09] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:4.0.2-1+b1; sid: 7:4.0.2-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.7-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:4.0.2-dmo2; sid-
2272 [22:50:10] <judd> multimedia: 10:4.0.2-dmo2
2273 [22:51:09] <RoyK> not sure which is best atm - iirc the libav fork was somewhat a hostile takeover rather than a "usual" fork
2274 [22:52:06] <greycat> replaced-url
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2282 [22:56:05] <greycat> replaced-url
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2296 [23:06:27] <blackbit> hi. kernel 4.18 is out for a while, though there is no package yet even in experimental. why is that? there is a linux-image-4.18.0-trunk-amd64 but i don't know what 'trunk' means
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2310 [23:14:07] <alchvmist> Hello all
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2316 [23:17:42] <Ryz3qdsfW4go> anyone use tigervnc?
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2321 [23:28:27] <awal1> !kernel abi
2322 [23:28:28] <dpkg> Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. replaced-url
2323 [23:28:38] <awal1> blackbit see ^
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2327 [23:30:38] <tacocat> !ask
2328 [23:30:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2329 [23:30:44] <tacocat> Ryz3qdsfW4go, ^
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2332 [23:31:59] <mixfix41> figured the sbc issue it has to do with being compiled with an older version of glibc speicifically 2.25 and was compiling using 2.27 :)
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2334 [23:32:22] <Azrael_-> i want to use sfp for my domains. but if i want to forward emails the forwarding will fail if the forwarder is another server. i have multiple servers all as subdomains like *.myserver.com. is it possible to include all of them without explicitly enumerating them in the sfp entry?
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2339 [23:37:06] <blackbit> awal1: thx
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2343 [23:45:01] <hanetzer> url for ya'lls 'source' package?
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2357 [23:54:30] <awal1> hanetzer ?
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2359 [23:55:18] <hanetzer> awal1: the scripts and stuff ya'll use for making *.deb packages, where can I see them?
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2361 [23:56:50] <awal1> hanetzer replaced-url
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2364 [23:58:45] <hanetzer> aye, that's it. and that's so obvious I shoulda guessed :P
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