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72[01:05:29] <neubraunschweig2> Hey everyone! I'm having some trouble with my Debian install. I have tried to skip the following step in the past (the installer provides the option to do so) but in the end, it doesn't work, so I assume it is necessary
76[01:06:12] <brontosaurusrex> neubraunschweig2: what step?
77[01:06:14] <neubraunschweig2> It concerns non-free firmware files. pparently I can load it onto removable media? iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-4.ucode, and so on to *1.ucode
78[01:06:24] <neubraunschweig2> but I don't know where to get these files
79[01:07:05] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: You can install fine without them, assuming your network connection doesn't need them.
80[01:07:13] <brontosaurusrex> There is a non-free iso also replaced-url
81[01:07:22] <neubraunschweig2> Interesting
82[01:08:52] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: Also, where does the installation fail?
83[01:08:59] <neubraunschweig2> The next error is "network autoconfiguration failed", it says my network is probs not using the DHCP protocol, alternatively the DHCP server may be slow
84[01:09:10] <neubraunschweig2> I forget, I haven't done this in a little over a week
85[01:09:15] <neubraunschweig2> I will try to reproduce the error
86[01:10:16] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: If you're using wifi, that's likely the issue. Practically all wifi adapters require non-free firmware to work nowadays.
87[01:10:41] <neubraunschweig2> would it better to try with ethernet then?
90[01:12:06] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: Either you use the firmware images, or you use Ethernet, yes. You can always install firmware at a later date.
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97[01:15:15] <petn-randall> yw
98[01:16:58] <altker128> Hey guys. Is there a "clean" way to install an older package in a new Debian? I'm using Debian Buster because I need a package there but I need to use PostGres 9.6 which is available in Stretch. Alternatively, is there a way to use a package from Buster in Stretch?
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100[01:17:45] <petn-randall> altker128: Mixing Debian releases is not supported.
101[01:17:47] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
102[01:17:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
103[01:17:53] <rant> anyone know which of our DM might work better with fingerprint auth? With lightdm I have to type username, scan finger, then click login.. I'd like to just scan finger and it logs in without typing or clicking.
104[01:18:08] <petn-randall> altker128: If you need newer packages than stable, there's always stable-backports, or backporting it yourself.
105[01:18:16] <altker128> petn-randall: That's what I was afraid of. What about using the src methodology ?
107[01:18:33] <petn-randall> altker128: That would be backporting yourself.
108[01:18:53] <rant> altker128: I have forward ported things before
109[01:19:12] <rant> depends on what it is and what you actually need.. sometimes I just build from upstream
110[01:19:41] <altker128> I'd like to use php-horde-webmail from Buster
111[01:19:54] <rant> altker128: it'd be best though usually if you just use Stretch and backport things
112[01:19:56] <altker128> I did find it here : replaced-url
113[01:20:01] <altker128> But I'm not sure how to proceed
114[01:20:09] <rant> !ssb
115[01:20:09] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
116[01:20:21] <rant> that process works for most things and is rather simple and straightforward
121[01:25:58] <ryouma> petn-randall: i want to run a program. for regression testing, i don't want the fact that it is a later time now than before to change anything. so i want to specify a time when i run the program, so that it thinks that the time is that time.
122[01:26:23] <ryouma> or for purposes of trying the output at different times
123[01:26:36] <rant> ryouma: yes I recall doing this before
132[01:29:02] <rant> there are definately plenty of options out there for faking date.. I personally used it to get around expired trial apps before :P
144[01:33:14] <altker128> petn-randall: In my case I am on Stretch (9) and want to build something from Buster (10). I assume I add deb-src replaced-url
145[01:33:58] <petn-randall> altker128: yes
146[01:33:59] <rant> ryouma: depends on what you consider better, datefudge is pure c with no deps, smaller, but less featureful it just fakes the date calls, where faketime depends on libfaketime which can do absolute or relative date shifts, can fake filesystem timestamps, work on child processes, etc
147[01:34:40] <ryouma> interesting. the man page for faketime, otoh, does not mention a static vs. non-static distinction
148[01:34:55] <rant> ryouma: if you merely need to test something like see how a browser reacts to an expired cert, datefudge will be fine, but getting around an expired software lisc you may want something more robust and featured like faketime
149[01:34:58] <ryouma> i think i want static, so maybe datefudge is better
150[01:35:42] <rant> because things that are actually validating the date as opposed to just reading it will probably notice that the filesystem timestamps are not right
151[01:37:16] <altker128> hrm. It's in the testing branch of Buster but doing deb-src replaced-url
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153[01:37:43] <rant> datetime is the shared preload lib and command all in one, so yeah if that is important to you, then it may be better, but faketime and libfaketime are far more complete and featured
154[01:37:51] <rant> erm datefudge rather :P
155[01:38:08] <ryouma> rant: not sure what you mean. faketime will change the program's idea of timestamps by an offset or something? programs check if a file time is in the future?
158[01:39:16] <rant> ryouma: if a program like a web browser goes to make an SSL/TLS connection under datefudge, it'll get the cert, see its issued Sat Aug 25, 2018, expires Mon Aug 27, 2018 for example and it
159[01:39:42] <rant> it'd make a systemcal to check the wall clock and it may see from datefudge that its Tue Aug 28 and the cert would be seen as invalid
160[01:40:07] <rant> but if it were a program checking the timestamp on the filesystem with a fs stat call, it'd still see the real date of the file
161[01:40:26] <rant> libfaketime can fake more than just the clock calls, it can fake other things too
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163[01:41:00] <rant> if you tell it shift date back 10 days, or forward 30 days, it'll change what the program sees on everything even filesystem timestamps
164[01:41:54] <rant> datefudge is more like just changing the RTC, where faketime can change the whole user environment, including the filesystem
165[01:42:16] <altker128> OK. Sorry for being really dense here. The desired package I want seems to be in Buster testing . What deb-src line would I add to my source.list so I can backport this to Stretch (9)?
167[01:42:38] <alad> no need, just use dget -X on the .dsc link
168[01:42:53] <altker128> alad: Is that to me?
169[01:42:55] <alad> yep
170[01:43:05] <rant> altker128: just use a buster deb-src line and ignore alad
171[01:43:08] <ryouma> rant: so the fs time feature is for relative then it seems
172[01:43:12] <alad> rant: lol
173[01:43:35] <rant> alad: he's trying to use a simple backport proceedure that apt builds a package for him against stretch deps
174[01:43:49] <rant> you can't just go doing things manually or you will have to do the whole process manually
175[01:44:29] <rant> ryouma: I'm not certain but I just know libfaketime is a more complete library that is capable of doing a whole lot more than just lying about the clock
176[01:44:42] <ryouma> rant: thanks
177[01:45:09] <ryouma> personally as a newcomer to it i have found backporting to be sometimes quite complex, and sometimes broken
178[01:45:11] <altker128> rant: The desired package is in Buster testing , does that change your comment on what goes into a deb-src line? When I added Buster main that didn't seem to work
179[01:45:22] <alad> rant: if he wants to backport 1 package, I don't see what's wrong against dget and something like cowbuilder/pbuilder that's ran on the .dsc
180[01:46:19] <rant> alad: the process I suggested is automated using apt.. it automatically gets all the build deps, souces, and builds the package without needing to lay a finger on a build tool or manually resolving deps
190[01:48:03] <rant> altker128: a deb/deb-src line has first the type (deb or deb-src) the URL, the section (stretch, buster, sid or stable, testing, unstable which mean the same things) then the section which is main, contrib and non-free only
191[01:48:54] <rant> alad: if you wanna walk this user through a completely different process when we have !ssb, be my guest, but the ssb proceedure has been around a long time and is really simple and well supported
192[01:49:44] <alad> yeah, I'm not going to argue when people appeal to convention
193[01:49:47] <altker128> rant: OK, I reverted it back to the following : deb-src [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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213[01:57:08] <rant> well seems that will work as far as the dependency on php-horde anyhow which it says >= 5.2.17 which is the stretch version I guess
215[01:57:59] <rant> but even if the build deps are satisfied in stretch are you sure the fixes you're looking for are in that php-horde-groupware and not one of the other php-horde* deps?
217[01:58:46] <altker128> rant: I assume, perhaps badly, that since php-horde-groupware is the "metapackage" it would pull in those versions from Buster as well. Is that a flawed assumption?
237[02:06:16] <altker128> rant: What is your suggestion to proceed if I wanted php-horde-groupware_5.2.22-3 and all of it's updated dependencies from Buster?
244[02:12:17] <dreamer> finally found out what was wrong with my networking: the dhcp leases files where corrupted somehow. and thus dhclient couldn't write anything to it
245[02:12:28] <dreamer> "Corrupt lease file - possible data loss!"
246[02:12:39] <dreamer> in the wicd logs. so. crisis averted :)
247[02:12:48] <jimm> jasabella, I think the headless one doesn't include the gui stuff, but that's a -guess-... try installing the other one
250[02:16:14] *** neubraunsch2_afk is now known as neubraunschweig2
251[02:16:16] <rant> altker128: what that ssb does is finds the source package of what you tell it, gets that source then builds it against the deps satisfied by the binary packages of your branch
252[02:16:59] <rant> altker128: if it will build all those individually I dont know I never used it on something this large
253[02:17:08] <rant> I usually build one standalone package with it
254[02:17:44] <rant> but I'd image they all belong to the same source package and building each of those binary packages is part of its build system.. idk
338[03:53:32] <pav5088> ifup/ifdown give me unpredictable results, and usually don't work. I reported this on the Debian user mailing list, and it's not one architecture either... someone else had a similar problem. Any ideas what's going on?
339[03:54:12] <pav5088> I'm trying to change an interface from DHCP to static.
341[03:55:12] <pav5088> This is in a script I've used with no problems on previous versions, so I know I'm consistently using the tools. Also, I went to the Debian documentation, and no changes have been documented.
342[03:57:05] <petn-randall> pav5088: For me ifupdown runs predictable as ever. You might want to add some context. Like you config, what you expect, and what you get instead.
349[04:01:25] <pav5088> The config is a newly installed machine with a LXDE environment and otherwise default. I'm changing from a DHCP address to a static, and need to do so without rebooting. I tried ifdown both before and after editiing /etc/network/interfaces just in case that made a difference, and also tried various combinations killing dhclient and "service networking stop/start/restart". I always started from a fresh virtual machine in my test environment just to
350[04:01:25] <pav5088> make sure there wasn't any persistent configuration issues etc...
357[04:08:46] <themill> I still don't have any idea what you actually did or what didn't work
358[04:09:57] <petn-randall> pav5088: Show us your config. → replaced-url
359[04:10:16] <petn-randall> pav5088: and also the output of 'ip addr'.
360[04:10:50] <petn-randall> pav5088: And you still need to explain what you expect, and what you got instead.
361[04:12:04] <pav5088> themill, I used ifdown... then I typed ipconfig... and the interface was still there, and could be pinged(!?). That's the basic problem. My main purpose was to edit /etc/network/interfaces so that my nic would have a static config (instead of DHCP), so I tried doing that. No combination of commands I could use would make that happen, and even a reboot sometimes failed(!!!)
362[04:12:40] <petn-randall> pav5088: We can't help you if don't show us actual data.
363[04:12:41] <pav5088> At least one other person seemed to have this problem on the mailing list, and on a different architecture to me (ie. non-AMD64)
364[04:13:56] <petn-randall> pav5088: And you can likely still pings things when you do random things. This isn't helping.
368[04:16:13] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>.
373[04:18:50] <pav5088> I should also mention that if I edit nothing, and simply to ifdown <interface>, then ifconfig will still see the interface and I can ping. (BTW, just pastebinning the other stuff)
374[04:21:00] <altker128> pav5088: If your configuration is still set to DHCP the DHCP daemon might try to run when you do an ifup
393[04:28:39] <pav5088> This is weird. Getting inconsistent results. Yesterday, from a clean VM ifdown wasn't dropping the interface, or releasing the IP. Today it just released the IP but left the interface up. (Just waited for some time to be sure it wasn't half doing something). I re-upped the interface, then downed it again, and the interface went down fully. That's three separate results from an ifdown/ipconfig/ifup
394[04:29:19] <petn-randall> Maybe because `ipconfig` is a windows tool.
395[04:29:52] <pav5088> I haven't made ANY changes to the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
396[04:30:23] <pav5088> heheh... sometimes the wrong commands fly out my fingers... Work in both Linux and Windows environments.
397[04:30:24] <petn-randall> ... and I have yet to see any logs of what you've been claiming for the last 40 minutes.
398[04:30:54] <petn-randall> pav5088: Is this Virtualbox or docker?
399[04:31:24] <petn-randall> (I'm guessing from the IP range)
409[04:35:49] <pav5088> Yesterday it didn't even drop the IP address after an ifdown. I could ping the machine even.
410[04:35:58] <pav5088> (so it wasn't just a tool lying to me)
411[04:37:25] <petn-randall> pav5088: That's also why I've been asking you what kind of VM it is, twice now. It could simply have been because the interface name changed.
418[05:00:50] <altker128> Anyone reccomend a light-weight SMTP server for local users / non-internet facing
419[05:01:19] <altker128> Would Dovecot be the "easiest" ?
420[05:02:06] <neubraunschweig2> is there any kind of quick guide to useful commands? i have just downloaded Debian and i need to install a desktop environment... unless there already is one, in which case i just don't know how to activate it from terminal, haha
450[05:12:19] <altker128> neubraunschweig2: np. I really like MATE. I've tried XFCE and a bunch of others and find MATE for the most part "just works".
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492[05:46:06] <OxFEEDBACC> high! is it "normal" on debian systems (MX linux 17.1 here, apparently based on Stretch) to not show in `mount`, `cat /proc/mounts`, `cat /proc/$$/mount{info,s,stats}`, when an entry is a bind mount?
493[05:46:23] <OxFEEDBACC> or is that configurable somehow? or is it a glitch in my system?
494[05:47:08] *** alad is now known as Rentaro
495[05:47:39] <OxFEEDBACC> when i have, for instance, /dev/sdb5 on /usr, and do a bind-mount of /usr/bin to /mnt/tmp/1, then `findmnt` shows it as /dev/sdb5[/bin], but that's the only hint i gut...
528[06:53:00] <TwistedFate> hello all, i remember one debian's official website for kernel releases but i forgot which one it is.. anyone knows of such a website?
560[07:35:24] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to find out if one can run Debian without non-free drivers/firmware on the upcoming Dragonboard Pyra. The SoC is TI OMAP 5, but there's not really much information on the Debian wiki and doesn't seem to be on the internet in general either. Any ideas? 🤔
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566[07:39:36] <contrapunctus> yeah, but doesn't say anything about non-free drivers/firmware (we can assume GPU and WiFi/BT are non-free, but what else?)
584[07:42:57] <rant> like a developer I like a lot, who hosts one of our bots and made one of our foss games, has been working on a developer phone with this company for years now its been announcing releases that never came
585[07:43:10] <rant> so I dont really hold my breath on that stuff anymore
594[07:49:13] <rant> contrapunctus: there are ones out there with more usable qwerty keyboards like the gemini pda and such..
595[07:49:58] <rant> this one seems more geared toward gaming..
596[07:50:09] <rant> the keyboard looks rather aweful
597[07:51:34] <rant> trying to cram a qwerty keyboard onto something with the form factor of an Nintendo DS and still have gaming controls too.. is bound to be rather painful
598[07:51:50] <rant> and the layout and small keys look atrocious
603[07:55:22] <rant> contrapunctus: the including cellular tech for one thing especially makes things complicated on projects like this.. getting approval from govts and such
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634[08:52:04] <Bushmaster> hello I am seeking some help, I am trying to install QGIS in my Debian, following the QGIS website but I am having issue, can anyone help please
635[08:53:13] <at0m|c> Bushmaster: why following their website? there's packages in the debian repositories
639[08:54:15] <Bushmaster> hi at0m|c yes, I realized that but unfortunately it is not the version that support OpenMapService plugin for QGIS
640[08:55:04] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, here is the QGIS link where it is clearly presented how to install QGIS in debian but I am having issue replaced-url
650[09:00:03] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, brilliant, i just installed apt-transport
651[09:00:21] <at0m|c> apt-transport-https i assume?
652[09:00:47] <at0m|c> since their repo is replaced-url
653[09:02:34] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, now another issue I will pastebin you but i think this problem is also delineated and explained in QGIS website but I just need to double confirm with you folks okay, here is the problem replaced-url
654[09:03:44] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, and here is the QGIS website that provided answer to the problem, if you scroll down, just below the Note, it mention how to add key replaced-url
655[09:04:05] <Bushmaster> shall I follow their procedures at0m|c
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658[09:05:27] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, i done it, it processed following this command apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key CAEB3DC3BDF7FB45
659[09:06:10] <at0m|c> Bushmaster: that worked? otherwise, there's a wget -O - replaced-url
660[09:06:11] <themill> what are you actually trying to achieve here?
666[09:08:02] <Bushmaster> themill, yes QucikMapServices, can you kindly help me to set it up when installation is finished, I trust you are fluent in QGIS?
683[09:14:07] <at0m|c> if you say so. there's also a #qgis on this irc network, they'll know about all the specifics for installing plugins and what not.
684[09:14:56] <Bushmaster> yes at0m|c the qgis channel is very slow, people often sleep all the time
685[09:15:51] <at0m|c> don't rush irc :p
686[09:15:55] <contrapunctus> Bushmaster: hello from an OSM contributor ;)
726[10:09:27] <sweb> debian installer stuck on looking on another operating system on grub installation... simple virtual machine on Ubuntu 16.04 box debian jessie 8.10 and 8.11 tested with mini iso files
727[10:10:06] <sweb> one Vda on /boot(ext4) swap and / partition (ext4)
737[10:24:07] <linux8659> hi ,does intel n3050 1.6Ghz-2.16Ghz is enough to run debian 64 gnome ??thanks
738[10:24:35] <dreamer> depends what you're going to run
739[10:26:15] <linux8659> openvpn ,tor-browser ,but mostly watch videos and use firefox ,I know I can t expect to do much virtualistion on this
740[10:27:13] *** Bushmaster is now known as Cat-Away
741[10:27:23] *** Parts: Cat-Away (~bushcat@replaced-ip) ("Ecosocialism is way forward. Capitalism is not the answer.")
742[10:28:00] <linux8659> but will debian run without problem ,I never had such a low cpu before ,Im travelling and syst76 doesn t deliver where I am ..so want to buy this cheap one for a few months
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766[10:44:08] <jasabella> kirk781… i saw, that's insane, although they did do dos a while ago - you seen the wasm vim port?
767[10:45:35] <jasabella> isn't this more ram than most machines of that era had? > Once it’s running it surprisingly only takes up around 200MB of RAM, even when running all of the old Windows 95 system utilities, apps, and games.
768[10:45:47] <kirk781> jasabella, I didn't see that port. But I want to try this out.
769[10:46:09] <kirk781> As soon as I restart my PC and boot back in Debian, I had try it. Too bad Solus doesn
770[10:46:19] <kirk781> doesn't support either .deb or .rpm
771[10:46:39] <kirk781> jasabella, It's an electron app. Electron is a RAM hogger
772[10:46:52] <kirk781> Freakin Slack takes more RAM than whole OS back in the day
803[11:14:11] <sweb> jasabella: debian installer stuck on looking on another operating system on grub installation... simple virtual machine on Ubuntu 16.04 box debian jessie 8.10 and 8.11 tested with mini iso files ... one Vda on /boot(ext4) swap and / partition (ext4)
804[11:14:23] <sweb> jasabella: repost
805[11:14:58] <sweb> jasabella: ye it's vm ... uskin kvm qemu
806[11:15:27] <sweb> jasabella: i think i installing over 10K this operation but never this issue before
807[11:17:33] <sweb> jasabella: i replace harddisk raw image and reinstall whole operation, changing iso from net to CD ... nothing different
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852[11:57:26] <TheWizard> please help, I did a fresh install of debian 9.5 on a PC, hplip is missing pagewide ppds, is anyone using a pagewide 377? Thanks!!
853[11:58:05] <TheWizard> I have several debian 9 installation which has got hplip working with the same printer
924[12:34:47] <TheWizard> now cannot make it works! I deleted /etc/hp/hlip.conf and reinstalled, apt cannot recreate issing configurations! I used: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstallapt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install hplip
925[12:35:01] <TheWizard> now cannot make it works! I deleted /etc/hp/hlip.conf and reinstalled, apt cannot recreate issing configurations! I used: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install hplip
933[12:43:43] <TheWizard> 9.5 has got broken hplip
934[12:44:04] <no_gravity> Can you tell the wifi card of a laptop to power save less aggressively? It seems my card goes into sleep after a few milliseconds or so.
935[12:44:33] <no_gravity> I tell it to stop power saving with 'iwconfig <interface> power off'.
936[12:44:41] <no_gravity> But that might be too radical of a solution?
937[12:44:45] <mdonkers> @TheWizard - I dare not try to touch hplip now...
938[12:44:55] <no_gravity> Can I tell it to sleep only after 10s of inactivity or so?
979[13:11:12] <no_gravity> unmy: Well, I need fast response time from my laptop when I'm coding on it via ssh from another machine.
980[13:11:17] <no_gravity> So then I turn power off.
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982[13:13:03] <unmy> no_gravity, if you feeling some delays then ye
983[13:13:25] <no_gravity> unmy: I feel BIG delays with POWER ON
984[13:15:25] <unmy> no_gravity, other way could just set dtim interval to 1 and lower beacons to 50 what should lower the delays and tell the card to not sleep longer than 50ms
985[13:16:09] <no_gravity> unmy: But where do I set that?
986[13:16:23] <unmy> every normal AP got those settings but many of those routers with modem/ap from operators have lock it
987[13:16:38] <no_gravity> My AP has no such settings.
988[13:17:11] <unmy> no_gravity, put your AP model in google and check if can set own values
989[13:19:53] <no_gravity> unmy: No luck.
990[13:20:05] <no_gravity> unmy: Isn't it a setting of the wifi card how fast it goes to sleep?
991[13:20:34] <unmy> what is your ap model name?
992[13:21:34] <no_gravity> unmy: I can msg it to you.
993[13:21:45] <unmy> no_gravity, no, because AP is sending dtim packets to tell about when card can go sleep to save some power so just can only disable it in card to ignore it
994[13:21:51] <unmy> no_gravity, ok
995[13:21:55] <no_gravity> I see
996[13:23:10] <ralpheeee> with backports on stable some packages (eg ranger file manager v 1.7.1) have not been backported yet...buster has v 1.8.1 and their github has v 1.9.1....is it best then just to build from source (provided their are no major complications with dependencies)...
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1021[14:05:11] <fGqR44rYAivTa> help, I have an external encrypted disk that I unmounted...now during boot, I see the error timed out waiting for device
1092[15:06:24] <Jenny_Tells> Hi, I have a problem with my hosters debian Image (I guess - got no problems on every other Debian installation). I installed UFW and reloaded everytime I applied a rule. Tough I loose all my UFW rules if I restart my server. Any ideas?
1093[15:17:31] <blackflow> Jenny_Tells: any cloud-init-something-blah-service installed by the provider that (re)sets config on boot?
1094[15:20:17] <RoyK> Jenny_Tells: anything in the logs? any error messages if you try to "ufw enable" manually?
1096[15:21:13] <RoyK> Jenny_Tells: I had a similar issue with crowncloud openvx - they just moved me to a kvm-based machine instead of fixing it, saying openvx was something they wanted to get rid of anyway
1100[15:28:29] <blackflow> "lose all UFW rules" vs "UFW rules are there but not applied / erroring out for some reason". Jenny_Tells should clarify, I was assuming the former.
1122[15:46:53] <introom> ok. i go with this: sudo apt install (apt-cache depends plantuml | awk '/(Depends|Recommends):/{print$2}')
1123[15:49:20] <The0x539> I'm trying to route all traffic from a certain user through tun0, roughly following replaced-url
1124[15:49:49] <n4dir> me thinks a $ is required before the ( ... )
1125[15:50:14] <The0x539> ping -v from the vpn account complains "ping: socket: Permission denied, attempting raw socket..." twice before just sitting there.
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1143[16:18:19] <tw> The0x539: check whether you're running debian's ping or some other ping. As far as I know debian's ping automatically has the right capabilities for raw sockets.
1159[16:23:59] <Jenny_Tells> blackflow: the UFW rules are there but not applied and go lost after reboot. The (lucky) exeptions is my ssh port which is somehow applied permanantly
1160[16:24:04] <blackflow> Jenny_Tells: same question applies :) nowadays baremetal clouds are a thing.
1161[16:24:05] <tw> The0x539: maybe check if you have all the routes you need on table 2?
1162[16:24:27] <The0x539> default dev tun0 scope link
1163[16:24:33] <The0x539> I have no idea if that looks right
1164[16:24:49] <blackflow> Jenny_Tells: ahh, see, that's different then, and not what you originally asked. see if the ufw service is started and enabled, if it's erroring out or something.
1165[16:24:53] <tw> it doesn't. Usually you have a gateway for openvpn.
1166[16:25:07] <tw> The0x539: copy the routes you need from the default table onto table 2
1189[16:39:56] <The0x539> tw: "10.54.0.0/16 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 10.54.88.201" is now the only line in table 2, and now the vpn user seems to be not going through the vpn
1190[16:40:55] <The0x539> I'm under the impression that the packet marking and filtering is working because connectivity gets borked for the specific user again if I add back that line that used to be there (in addition to this one)
1191[16:43:25] <tw> The0x539: Well, either your vpn server isn't set up for def1-style route-everything w/ nat, or route-nopull is eliminating a number of the routes you need to be adding.
1192[16:43:54] <tw> you should have a default route on table 2, or two /1 routes.
1193[16:44:03] <The0x539> what would a default route look like
1194[16:44:55] <tw> default via 10.54.0.1 dev tun0 would be my guess.
1200[16:47:36] <tw> The0x539: I'm just guessing at your vpn config. You should remove the route-nopull line from the config and reconnect to see what routes it gives you.
1201[16:48:03] <The0x539> :q
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1203[16:48:33] <tw> If it's not giving you default routes, it's very like the vpn server isn't set up for NAT routing of clients.
1204[16:48:35] <The0x539> I mean it's there, in fact I labeled last night that I added it
1262[17:14:04] <hazzy-lab> Hello, I am running debian 9.5 with 4.16.12-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT kernel, GeForce GTX 550 Ti graphics and XFCE desktop. X seems to crash very frequently and I am forced to restart.
1263[17:14:04] <hazzy-lab> How can I go about verifying that it is X that is crashing, and what the cause is?
1265[17:14:57] <rant> hazzy-lab: it keeps logs, as does the Display Manager, check the x log, display manager log, and the kernel dmesg log for clues, and if you need help paste all three to a pastebin
1266[17:15:11] <tw> awal1: are you using systemd session management? Can you use `loginctl lock-sessions --wait` to lock everything?
1299[17:55:26] <kek_> so I have a cheap vps which i use to play around - wanted to install openvpn, for that I needed the tun module. modprobe tun returns nothing, lsmod | grep tun also doesn't show anything. So how can I make sure the module is loaded? Why does modprobe tun not return some information?
1302[17:57:53] <DLange> probably because your cheap VPS does not allow you to run a specific kernel or load modules to that kernel
1303[17:58:01] <GNU\colossus> kek_, there are VPS providers that won't let you load kernel modules, due to the "hypervisor" technology they use. if you have a shared kernel, and aren't fully virtualized (think Xen, QEMU, or VMware and friends), chances are you cannot have tun support.
1411[19:40:47] <TheAvatar> Hey. I managed to trigger an update of perl, causing some problems. How to I "revert" (stay on 5.20 and skip the 5.24 update) the perl update? replaced-url
1424[19:47:19] <TheAvatar> I want to stay on the currently installed version, and not upgrade (atleast not yet), but I triggered an update, that I didn't complete
1434[19:50:58] <annadane> jessie is only receiving LTS support now, so i guess at this point assuming the FrankenDebian isn't reversible, consider updating to stretch
1435[19:51:27] <annadane> someone more knowledgeable may be able to help more
1436[19:51:50] <peedabee> You could of course always run a container / docker keeping multiple versions on the same system
1437[19:52:09] <TheAvatar> annadane, I am on stretch
1438[19:52:25] <annadane> then that's really weird
1439[19:52:31] <TheAvatar> peedabee, in a way, yes. Except I didn't upgrade anything yet that I regret. But apt thinks I want to upgrade, and I dont
1440[19:52:41] <TheAvatar> so, apt has a pending update of perl, and I want to cancel that
1441[19:53:04] <annadane> i think maybe pasting (paste.debian.net) what you're trying to do may help
1462[19:57:01] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1463[19:57:02] <bites> libdbd-mysql-perl : Depends: perl (>= 5.24.1-1) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u9 is installed
1464[19:57:04] <annadane> rander2, ^
1465[19:57:20] <TheAvatar> bites, yes - while I have things that depend on a lower perl version (current perl 5.20)
1466[19:57:22] <annadane> that said i guess it's probably the same as in debian, apt install xfce4
1468[19:57:36] <peedabee> rander2, using a container and bindmounting the videocard etc OR using a virtual machine depends on what you want
1469[19:57:40] <TheAvatar> bites, but I have nothing installed yet, that requires perl 5.24 - so I just need to tell apt, that I dont want that update now anyways
1470[19:59:21] <rander2> peedabee, it isnn't a virtual machine, it's a real machine
1471[20:00:02] <rander2> I think ssh X
1472[20:00:27] <peedabee> rander2, so you want to run a debian desktop on an ubuntu machine?
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1474[20:00:50] <rander2> peedabee, yes
1475[20:01:33] <rander2> 'because debian pc is more powerfull to compiling , etc...
1476[20:01:48] <rander2> peedabee, something like vnc
1477[20:01:55] <peedabee> aaaah look into x2go
1478[20:02:04] <bites> TheAvatar: then revert all those packages to the version in jessie, put them on hold and try the update again. but mixed systems are not fun to administrate.
1479[20:02:20] <peedabee> it's fast, ssh-based and has a ppa repo.
1496[20:07:37] <ralpheeee> have installed pulseaudio running 4.17.0-3-amd64 and cant get my bluetooth speakers to connect "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed"
1519[20:25:03] <n9nes> peedabee yeah thinking so too, the credentials (a domain user) are in a separate file and this user is able to write if I touch test.cfg with sudo, but not without
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1544[20:46:36] <n9nes> peedabee: holy! shouldnt "mount -o" remount the share with the present content of fstab? it worked after reboot the box, but not with mount -o
1603[21:56:26] <jolt> choice: I use Docker more and more for that, then I don't have to fiddle with dependencies as well
1604[21:57:04] <choice> jolt: How do you install something in Docker?
1605[21:57:18] <jolt> choice: but one doesn't eliminate the other
1606[21:57:48] <choice> jolt: What do you mean?
1607[21:57:50] <jolt> choice: well, most of the time somebody have already created everything you need and put it on hub.docker.com, or you can create your own dockerfile
1608[21:58:13] <jolt> choice: That some things might fit better for docker, but if it's graphic stuff, then a VM might be better
1609[21:58:34] <jolt> choice: there is also chroot, lvm and whatnot
1610[21:58:43] <choice> Hmm...
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1612[21:58:48] <jolt> eh s/lvm/lxc/
1613[21:58:51] <choice> I was thinking about installing Android Studio.
1614[21:58:56] <choice> It's an insane 900MB.
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1616[21:59:07] <choice> And I don't want to pollute my Debian installation with that.
1617[21:59:13] <choice> So I thought to try it in Docker.
1618[22:00:49] <jolt> choice: There is also snap-applications, where everything is already packaged
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1648[22:22:26] <annadane> can someone give me a kernel refresher - if i want to simply generically use the kernel from backports i'd just need linux-image-amd64, correct?
1649[22:22:37] <annadane> headers is for building your own modules IIRC
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1677[22:56:55] <WallacePip> hello, I am about to install python 3.6. and added testing repository as advised on the web. but when I typed "sudo apt-get -t testing install python3.6", it shows a whole lot of desktop packages to upgrade..all I need is python 3.6., how can I install it without a blunder=
1686[23:02:23] <WallacePip> I removed back the testing repo from sources, but I'd run this command after having added that, though; "echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local" do I need to do anything more to revert to the original state before adding the repo?