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21 [00:27:59] <usney> debian linux
22 [00:28:13] <usney> just say no to bsd
23 [00:28:27] <usney> is there bsd debian?
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94 [02:16:29] <rjsalts> usney: yes, debian kfreebsd replaced-url
95 [02:17:30] <rjsalts> and it looks like their may have once been an attempt at running debian on netbsd kernel
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123 [02:58:36] <pav5088> How do I statically configure my network without restarting a machine? I presume /etc/network/interfaces is the same file to use? I tried "service networking restart" and that didn't seem to work. I also tried "killall dhclient" in case a dhcp client was still running (because the interface seemed to be picking up a DHCP address.
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127 [03:00:50] <dvs> if down; if up ?
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130 [03:06:46] <pav5088> dvs : I tried that... no go unfortunately. Actually "ifdown" gives me an "interface not configured" message, even though "ifconfig" shows me it's up and configured. Perhaps systemd is doing something new/different?
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192 [03:44:28] <Neobenedict> hia with replaced-url
193 [03:44:34] <Neobenedict> all 4 have the same IP, but differnet mac addresses?
194 [03:44:35] <Neobenedict> how does it work
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236 [03:51:53] <pav5088> Neobenedict, I believe it's supported at the network layer, and the router just sends packets to all four interfaces... probably in a round-robin fashion.
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245 [04:05:43] <rant> anyone know how this load firmware thing works on the installer? its asking for iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode which I just installed firmware-iwlwifi on my other machine and copied /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode to a thumbdrive and put it in the machine thats installing and it doesnt seem to be finding it
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661 [04:58:50] <r_rios> Hello, all. The libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 and libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0:i386 packages are necessary for Steam to work properly. Without them, a lot of steam games get black backgrounds and images, redering them unplayable. However, these packages are not steam dependencies. Where should I report this bug?
662 [04:58:58] <r_rios> Source: replaced-url
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664 [05:00:25] <rant> r_rios: report it to whoever maintains the package, its not a debian issue
665 [05:01:45] <r_rios> rant: Where do I find the maintainer?
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963 [05:08:09] <usney> I am trying to share my internet connection via wifi from a wired connection
964 [05:08:09] <usney> I have it setup on my ubuntu box
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974 [05:10:07] <rant> rjsalts: wherever you got the package, or in the package's information field.. I can't help you its not a debian package
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976 [05:10:14] <rant> r_rios: ^
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984 [05:12:54] <r_rios> rant: It *is* a Debian package
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986 [05:14:04] <r_rios> I wouldn't be asking for help in the Debian channel if it wasn't
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1045 [06:41:59] <usney> how do I connect to wifi via command line?
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1049 [06:46:13] <usney> replaced-url
1050 [06:46:27] <usney> all it does is turn on my wifi light
1051 [06:46:48] <usney> iwlist command not found
1052 [06:49:52] <symtex> usney: try "iw list"
1053 [06:50:13] <usney> iw command not found
1054 [06:50:23] <usney> do I need wireless tools installed?
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1056 [06:53:10] <symtex> usney: yea apt install wireless-tools
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1068 [07:05:35] <usney> still having problems connecting
1069 [07:06:52] <a0z> usney: i use the network-manager package (nmcli) to manage wifi connections on my laptop
1070 [07:08:22] <usney> I am trying to connect from command line
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1073 [07:09:54] <Sveta> something keeps eating my disk space, i had 200MB free yesterday and today it's 0 bytes free in /. how can i see which files were modified in the last 12 hours?
1074 [07:10:02] <a0z> usney: nmcli is network-manager's command line app
1075 [07:10:34] <Sveta> there is 'nmtui' also
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1083 [07:18:36] <warai_otoko> Happy Birthday, IRC! ^^
1084 [07:18:54] <Sveta> warai_otoko, really? you mean 25 years of debian?
1085 [07:19:06] <Sveta> hi :)
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1088 [07:22:54] * blackroot morning
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1129 [08:29:41] <pav5088> I want to be able to give machines static IPs without rebooting. I've tried manually shutting down the network service, and also dhclient, but eth0 comes up again with a dhcp address automatically. The network configuration part of the Debian page doesn't seem to help.
1130 [08:30:03] <pav5088> Any ideas as to what's going on?
1131 [08:30:29] <pav5088> The old ways, and what I've found of "new" ways seem to not work.
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1143 [08:46:43] <jelly-home> pav5088: which network services are you shutting down? Can you add an "iface inet ... static" setting in /etc/network/interfaces, then ifdown and ifup that interface?
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1145 [08:48:03] <jelly-home> er, iface ... inet static
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1158 [09:02:19] <Neobenedict> you could always uninstall the dhcp software. lol.
1159 [09:02:24] <Neobenedict> but that shouldn't be needed
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1187 [09:47:58] <]BFG[> strech is up to 9.5 nice, to see
1188 [09:48:17] <]BFG[> any plans on removing the piece of shit systemd?
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1190 [09:49:58] <Ozzyboshi> dont think so
1191 [09:50:08] <Ozzyboshi> go to devone
1192 [09:50:57] <diogenes_> ok MX Linux
1193 [09:51:00] <diogenes_> or*
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1195 [09:51:56] <]BFG[> I already switched to Devuan and FreeBSD but would be nice to see Debian 10 systemd free by default even if this means throwing out gnome
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1198 [09:54:00] <themill> you can run debian without systemd just fine; troll elsewhere, kthnxbye.
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1236 [10:30:39] <]BFG[> themill I do run debian without malwared yes but I want to see it gone, completely be removed from github and not being forced down on our throats
1237 [10:30:50] <]BFG[> because if you put it in by default companies will use it by default as well
1238 [10:31:03] <]BFG[> and you will not have the chance to keep your life shitd free
1239 [10:31:16] <]BFG[> i hope pottering will fucking die with his worthless colleagues
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1252 [10:45:20] <petn-randall> Oh, another flat-earther^W^Wsystemd hater visiting our channel. How original.
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1275 [11:12:07] <blackflow> oh, my!
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1289 [11:21:36] <wrksx> I just read some comments from people disliking systemd
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1291 [11:22:40] <wrksx> like "Systemd is bad. Too complex, too dependencies, to unstability. It's a very problem for production server"
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1295 [11:23:16] <wrksx> I wonder what are they doin to there server so systemd make it UNSTABLE
1296 [11:23:27] <wrksx> there/their
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1304 [11:26:48] <tichun> Any ideas to change xorg display blanking with a raspberry pi specific vcgencmd display_power 0 and 1?
1305 [11:27:30] <jelly-home> wrksx: that might have been a couple years back
1306 [11:27:30] <blackflow> wrksx: it's simple. default configuration sux, especially in debian that still does "start stop daemon" inside nginx service unit file.... (ffs!). People stumble upon problems caused by default configs and instead of learning things and fixing for their use case, they have breakage and grow hate.
1307 [11:28:08] <jelly-home> sysadmins do not like changing things that still work
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1327 [11:49:58] <opal> why do downgrades almost always result in dependency issues in debian
1328 [11:50:08] <opal> unrecoverable dependency issues at that
1329 [11:50:41] <opal> i mask all "newer" packages in apt and run `apt update && apt upgrade` and even that results in a load of issues
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1338 [12:00:38] <petn-randall> opal: Maybe because downgrades are not supported.
1339 [12:00:41] <petn-randall> !downgrade
1340 [12:00:41] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1342 [12:04:13] <opal> !testing
1343 [12:04:13] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
1344 [12:04:37] <opal> lovely
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1347 [12:05:06] <genesis> hi, i need to get replaced-url
1348 [12:06:48] <petn-randall> genesis: You can get the upstream source from their website: replaced-url
1349 [12:07:09] <petn-randall> genesis: The Debian source package is just the upstream source + bits to get it working in Debian.
1350 [12:07:24] <genesis> yes i'd like to get your libstrongexit stuff
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1353 [12:07:56] <genesis> and others things you provides for my nixos recipe.
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1355 [12:08:08] <petn-randall> genesis: Just run 'apt-get source mbrola' if you run Debian, or you can find it here: replaced-url
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1359 [12:10:11] <genesis> the tarball here is not the source i gave link
1360 [12:11:01] <genesis> ho oki fine
1361 [12:11:13] <petn-randall> genesis: It's in the diff.gz
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1364 [12:11:34] <genesis> replaced-url
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1367 [12:12:11] <genesis> you have made a manpage so :o)
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1370 [12:15:56] <no_gravity> Hello! Does anybody know how to forward a port with iptables?
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1392 [12:48:19] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Probably many people do.
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1394 [12:49:54] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Depends on the details though, meaning: From which to which port, is the forward in the same or a different network, etc.
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1398 [12:50:45] <no_gravity> petn-randall: I treid for like half an hour and gave up on it. Seems to be overly complex.
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1400 [12:51:07] <no_gravity> This works nicely: ssh -L 81:1.2.3.4:81 1.2.3.4
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1402 [12:53:03] <petn-randall> no_gravity: That forwards your local port 81 to the remote port 81 on host 1.2.3.4
1403 [12:53:12] <no_gravity> Yes
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1426 [13:21:15] <dasdajs_> Hi people. I've been trying to grow a raid5 array with mdadm and now after I got that working I now seem to have problems with my ext3 partitions om the raid array, when I use fsck.ext3 it tells me: "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem" - I've been searching the web and the answers I've found doesn't help. I haven't overwritten the partition at any point so its weird why the
1427 [13:21:15] <dasdajs_> superblock is gone. So how do I recover this partition?
1428 [13:22:14] <jelly-home> do you have the original partition tables and md layout saved?
1429 [13:22:20] <petn-randall> Hi, I'd like to replace the aging backup solution with rdiff-backup with something more modern. My pet peeve with rdiff-backup is that it doesn't deduplicate, and recovering from a canceled backup takes *ages* (recovery + backup can easily take 10 hours from my local system). What are the cool kids using nowadays?
1430 [13:22:46] <jelly-home> petn-randall: I've read nice things about borgbackup
1431 [13:23:01] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, before I started growing I made a backup-file but I don't know if that will suffice?
1432 [13:23:24] <jelly-home> dasdajs_: maybe ask in #linux-raid about md things
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1434 [13:24:08] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, I did, no one is answering atm, so i'm trying to reach more people
1435 [13:24:40] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: How did you grow the raid5 exactly? What was the previous, and what the current layout?
1436 [13:24:52] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: Also what metadata forward are you using?
1437 [13:25:14] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: If you have the exact commands and output, please share them on replaced-url
1438 [13:25:46] <jelly-home> dasdajs_: be patient
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1444 [13:30:07] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, I was using this as a source of material: replaced-url
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1455 [13:38:39] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: How many devices were there before, how many after?
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1457 [13:40:42] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, 3 before and 1 after in that array
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1460 [13:41:51] <jelly-home> dasdajs_: uh, what do you mean "creating the array again", you would have just had to assemble ("start") it not create it anew
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1462 [13:42:31] <jelly-home> if you did a create and ignored the warnings old metadata and old geometry would be lost
1463 [13:42:56] <petn-randall> That's the point where exact command and output are relevant.
1464 [13:43:24] <jelly-home> I'd probably just restore from backups and not bother
1465 [13:44:18] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, The raid array was inactive and the only way I could "give life to it" was by creating the array again and I don't remember any warnings about metadata
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1468 [13:45:55] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: *HOW* did you create it.
1469 [13:46:02] <jelly-home> "whoopsies"
1470 [13:46:05] <petn-randall> We need exact commands + output.
1471 [13:46:08] <abrotman> "A magnet..."
1472 [13:46:58] <dasdajs_> with: "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde1" (made a fuck up on the last drive sde)
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1474 [13:48:14] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: Yep, that killed your RAID. Restore from backups.
1475 [13:48:46] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, I ofc was a hero and tried without any backup because I simply don't have any space to backup my data on, atm I really don't care any more about the data cause I been working on this problem for couple of days now :)
1476 [13:49:07] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: If you have stored the mdadm headers from before, you can try to put them back in place and assemble the raid again.
1477 [13:49:09] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, how to restore correctly then if I may ask? I have the backup-file
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1479 [13:49:23] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: note that "assemble" and "create" are two very different things.
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1481 [13:49:33] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: Backup file of what exactly?
1482 [13:49:59] <dasdajs_> when doing the grow command
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1484 [13:50:16] <dasdajs_> "mdadm --grow --raid-devices=4 --backup-file=/root/grow_md0.bak /dev/md0"
1485 [13:51:06] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: That is a temporary backup so you can resume when the grow command crashes. That's not a backup of the headers.
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1487 [13:51:31] <spacedust> frankendeb muahaha its aliiiiiiiiiveee :D
1488 [13:51:33] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, ahhh.... I should've known that :>
1489 [13:52:15] <spacedust> i have to thank debian , i am using a debian kernel to boot my non debian system, and it rocks the box :) virtualbox that is :)
1490 [13:52:28] <petn-randall> spacedust: Congrat, I guess?
1491 [13:52:31] <petn-randall> spacedust: Congrats, I guess?
1492 [13:53:08] <dasdajs_> *The excitement when the problem was solved*
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1495 [13:54:49] * spacedust hail hail hail
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1498 [13:56:03] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, anyway so are the any possible way to restore the headers then?
1499 [13:56:14] <spacedust> replaced-url
1500 [13:56:19] <spacedust> Manowar - Warriors of the World
1501 [13:56:42] <spacedust> how could i get the full source in /usr/src ? ive got a very small sized directory
1502 [13:56:44] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: If you don't have backups of the data or the mdadm headers, the data is gone.
1503 [13:57:20] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: A recovery company might be able to restore the data by using heuristics to guess the stripe size and the layout, but that will likely cost.
1504 [13:58:44] <petn-randall> *a lot.
1505 [13:59:13] <abrotman> spacedust: why are you spamming youtube URLs?
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1507 [13:59:58] <spacedust> abrotman: 1 is spam ?
1508 [14:00:03] <abrotman> Yes
1509 [14:00:06] <spacedust> k
1510 [14:00:38] <petn-randall> spacedust: The full source of what?
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1512 [14:01:41] <spacedust> petn-randall: well the built kernel that boots with debian
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1519 [14:11:10] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, aight, thanks for your answer :)
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1537 [14:28:50] <flaburgan> hi everyone
1538 [14:29:04] <flaburgan> we just installed a fresh debian 9 and have trouble with redis
1539 [14:29:29] <flaburgan> apt-get install redis-server
1540 [14:30:12] <flaburgan> but redis is unable to start
1541 [14:31:16] <flaburgan> replaced-url
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1543 [14:32:12] <abrotman> flaburgan: and what's wrong with that log file?
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1549 [14:33:58] <flaburgan> well I don't get why it can't write in it
1550 [14:34:23] <abrotman> flaburgan: ls -al /var/log/redis/
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1552 [14:35:15] <flaburgan> it's empty
1553 [14:35:34] <abrotman> the directory? what are the permissions on the directory?
1554 [14:35:42] <flaburgan> drwxr-x--- 2 redis redis 4096 Aug 24 14:19 .
1555 [14:35:42] <flaburgan> drwxrwxrwx 10 root root 4096 Aug 24 14:19 ..
1556 [14:35:46] <abrotman> (that's why I asked .. )
1557 [14:35:58] <usney> what's a lightweight dock I can use with openbox?
1558 [14:36:00] <flaburgan> we tried to chmod to give access to redis
1559 [14:36:04] <abrotman> is it trying to run as a user other than redis ?
1560 [14:36:05] <usney> or panel
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1562 [14:36:45] <flaburgan> how can I know? I launch it with systemctl start redis-server
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1564 [14:36:53] <abrotman> it might be in the conf file
1565 [14:37:04] <abrotman> or check /etc/passwd to see what users are in there
1566 [14:37:14] <awal1> usney, tint2.
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1568 [14:38:05] <blackflow> flaburgan: any filesystem restrictions in the unit service file? apparmor rules?
1569 [14:38:06] <awal1> highly configurable and have rich features. also very lightweight
1570 [14:38:16] <awal1> designed for openbox
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1572 [14:39:18] <abrotman> flaburgan: you could make the dir 777 and see if it starts .. see who owns the log file then, change perms as necessary .. or if it still fails, see what is going on.
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1576 [14:41:22] <dasdajs_> Is ZFS preferable over mdadm or are there anything better?
1577 [14:41:52] <blackflow> I'd say yes.
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1579 [14:42:26] <blackflow> but it really depends on what problem you really want to solve. for me, I say ZFS all the things. that might not be optimal.
1580 [14:42:29] <genesis> petn-randall : thx for help, i finally get it works replaced-url
1581 [14:42:29] <dasdajs_> blackflow, I've read that alot of ppl thinks that mdam is better because its older?
1582 [14:42:42] <blackflow> dasdajs_: then drop debian for DOS? it's older :)
1583 [14:42:47] <awal1> ,v redis-server
1584 [14:42:48] <judd> Package: redis-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; wheezy-security: 2:2.4.14-1+deb7u2; jessie: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 3:3.2.6-1; stretch-security: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u2; jessie-backports: 3:3.2.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5:4.0.10-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5:4.0.11-2; sid: 5:4.0.11-2; experimental:
1585 [14:42:49] <judd> 5:5.0~rc4-2
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1587 [14:43:17] <awal1> #900496
1588 [14:43:20] <flaburgan> here is the output of apt-get if it helps replaced-url
1589 [14:43:52] <dasdajs_> blackflow, well.. I don't think you can draw a analogy between those :) But Yes i'm aware. Can you tell me, why do you like ZFS better?
1590 [14:44:33] <blackflow> dasdajs_: data checksumming, snapshots, pooled fs.
1591 [14:44:36] <flaburgan> abrotman, in /etc/systemd/system/redis.service user is redis and group is redis
1592 [14:44:57] <awal1> flaburgan, not sure if #900496 is related. I just did a fast bts search
1593 [14:45:51] <flaburgan> it looks like the problem comes from the service, if I run `redis-server` as root, redis starts
1594 [14:45:52] <dasdajs_> blackflow, data check summing is also the reason i'm considering it, cause of awsomeness
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1596 [14:46:33] <flaburgan> hm, if I try to launch it as the redis user, it tells me "Lauching the db permission denied"
1597 [14:46:34] <blackflow> dasdajs_: alternatively there's btrfs too. but.... there's a rather disconcerting set of warnings attached to it: replaced-url
1598 [14:46:44] <flaburgan> awal1, can I please have the url?
1599 [14:47:08] <blackflow> dasdajs_: frankly, snapshotting is way awesomer :) snapshot, send|recv, boom bam thank you ma'am, win!
1600 [14:47:18] <blackflow> bug #900496
1601 [14:47:26] <blackflow> huh, I thought the bot parsed that.
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1604 [14:47:40] <flaburgan> !bug #900496
1605 [14:47:43] <awal1> replaced-url
1606 [14:47:49] <flaburgan> thx
1607 [14:47:50] <dasdajs_> blackflow, Ye oke, I'll have to check that out :b
1608 [14:49:25] <flaburgan> awal1, looks related, though it's not only a wishlist in my case, but a bug
1609 [14:49:54] <awal1> i have no idea. i dont use any server
1610 [14:50:28] * ayekat is looking forward to 'debian-overflow' stepping above 1023
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1612 [14:51:19] <ayekat> then again, 10 bits is not really something where things overflow... sorry for the noise
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1614 [14:51:22] <blackflow> flaburgan: can you pastebin your redis-server.service? any overrides? the default runs with ReadonlyDirectories=/ and needs an override for varlog (which the default has)
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1617 [14:53:28] <flaburgan> replaced-url
1618 [14:57:51] <blackflow> flaburgan: looks default. you're not overriding it in /etc/systemd/?
1619 [14:58:28] <blackflow> flaburgan: you can check with systemctl cat redis-server.service and compare with config in /lib
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1621 [15:01:47] <flaburgan> blackflow, I didn't change anything, the server has been installed this morning so I don't think there is any override
1622 [15:03:18] <blackflow> flaburgan: well, it WorksForMe(tm), so I guess it boils down to what kind of additional/different config you have there. Aside from the usual filesystem permissions, is there an AppArmor profile? SELinux? any ACLs?
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1625 [15:04:59] <abrotman> flaburgan: if you haven't done anything with it .. you could purge the package/config, and start over ?
1626 [15:05:58] <flaburgan> abrotman, yep, that's what I did without success
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1629 [15:06:16] <abrotman> any "-common" packages that might need to be purged also?
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1632 [15:12:07] <flaburgan> yes selinux is installed
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1634 [15:12:45] <blackflow> flaburgan: is it enabled? what's `getenforce` returning? anything in audit wrt that redis log path? a denial?
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1638 [15:18:16] <flaburgan> libselinux1 is installed, but the command getenforce does not exist
1639 [15:18:58] <pav5088> Is aptitude no longer installed by default in Stretch?
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1644 [15:22:30] <pav5088> I installed the default debian utilities, but aptitude doesn't seem to have been installed.
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1647 [15:24:09] <flaburgan> I tried to install redis on my local machine, debian 9 too, worked without any problem... I guess there's something on that server causing the pb
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1676 [15:40:11] <sach> Hi, I am looking for some help with PAM rules. I have a bunch of LDAP accounts using sssd and a couple of local accounts configured. My current configuration (also the default generated) replaced-url
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1681 [15:41:57] <sach> Results in a whole bunch of authentication failure messages when LDAP users don't pass the first pam_unix.so line. I can switch it around but then local account logins give me those errors then. I've tried a bunch of things but none work perfectly and I want to be 100% I am not impacting the security of the system. Any help would be great.
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1697 [15:53:44] <flaburgan> the problem was the symlink with /var/log to /home/log
1698 [15:54:08] <flaburgan> even if access rights were correct
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1744 [16:25:39] <awal1> how can I project my android phone screen on my debian?
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1749 [16:27:07] <flaburgan> awal1, what do you mean by project?
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1751 [16:27:29] <flaburgan> I have my android phone screen displayed inside Firefox to debug webpage
1752 [16:27:37] <flaburgan> you could do that
1753 [16:27:43] <dansan> Hello! I don't suppose there's a nifty way to boot into the livecd and then change the overlay's working dir to something persistient is there?
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1756 [16:28:25] <awal1> if I watch something in youtube, see on chromium/firefox, watch in on my debian laptop (without 3d party software)
1757 [16:28:27] <awal1> flaburgan
1758 [16:28:52] <awal1> if I watch something in youtube, say on chromium/firefox, watch it on my debian laptop (without 3d party software)
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1760 [16:29:30] <ksk> as android is third party software to start with, Id imagine that is not possible
1761 [16:29:41] <awal1> hm
1762 [16:29:52] <ksk> you can plugin an chromestick into your TV/monitor and stream to that
1763 [16:30:06] <awal1> chromestick?
1764 [16:30:57] <awal1> ok, googled it
1765 [16:31:25] <flaburgan> yep, chromecast
1766 [16:32:04] <awal1> will check that
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1768 [16:32:17] <ksk> recent vlc version can also stream to a chromecast
1769 [16:33:01] <ksk> be careful about the vendor lockin before buying ;) before vlc you could only really stream from a chrome browser afaik
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1771 [16:33:47] <awal1> ok
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1774 [16:34:19] <awal1> it is just because i have internet only on my mobile, but i dont like browse web with phone
1775 [16:35:04] <awal1> only on my mobile sometimes ^
1776 [16:35:52] <awal1> i leave in the woods right now:P
1777 [16:36:10] <awal1> far from capitalism bills :D
1778 [16:36:57] <Haohmaru> where no one can hear you scream
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1781 [16:38:30] <flaburgan> awal1, in that case, use your mobile as a modem
1782 [16:38:42] <flaburgan> plug it with usb to your computer and share your internet connection
1783 [16:38:44] <flaburgan> that's way easier
1784 [16:39:02] <jhutchins_wk> You can also often make a mobile phone a wifi hotspot.
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1786 [16:40:03] <awal1> ok, will check that. looks more interesting. thanks
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1788 [16:40:52] <awal1> Haohmaru, looks like scream hard sometimes is healthy :P
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1790 [16:41:27] <awal1> and it is exceptional in woods with the fantastic resonance :D
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1802 [16:47:23] <DammitJim> do you guys know if apcupsd turns off the server by default when there are 5 minutes left of power or if that's something that needs to be configured?
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1825 [17:03:51] <petn-randall> dansan: IIRC you need to configure what it does, look it up in the config.
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1828 [17:04:59] <dasdajs_> blackflow, if the situation is that I only have 16gb of mem in my server, would you still think that ZFS is a good solution over mdadm? I need it to run some vms also so i'm kinda limited
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1850 [17:26:03] <DammitJim> petn-randall, that comment wasn't for me, right?
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1854 [17:26:38] <petn-randall> DammitJim: Oh sorry, mishighlight. That was for you.
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1856 [17:26:57] <DammitJim> oh ok, so it's not default. Thanks!
1857 [17:27:07] <DammitJim> (I don't want it to shut my machine off at this time)
1858 [17:27:20] <Kaltigk> Hey all. I'm on stretch and having some trouble with my USB 2.0 ports. - nothing plugged in to them seems to be recognized or receive power after Debian boots, though my USB 3.0 ports work fine. When I boot I receive an error message "usb 4-2 device descriptor read/64, error -32" several times preceded by different decimal numbers in brackets. I've looked through errno.h but couldn't locate 32. Anyone have any recommendations
1859 [17:27:20] <Kaltigk> on where I could find more info on what that error means?
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1865 [17:30:25] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: From experience, that usually happens if you plug in a device that requires more power than the port can deliver.
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1867 [17:30:38] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: The other option would be faulty wiring.
1868 [17:31:28] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: A well-behaved USB device would ask for more power, and if it doesn't get it, notify the system that it won't work. But from experience many devices aren't cleanly implemented to do that.
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1873 [17:35:12] <Kaltigk> Hmm. The problem seems to occur specifically once I've booted Debian oddly. The machine dual boots and the ports work fine when booted in Windows, and I'm able to boot from usb devices plugged into those ports which makes me think it's something specific to how my machine is interacting with Debian - definitely could be wrong though
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1875 [17:35:50] <Kaltigk> I can't find any description for that error code though, so I'm kind of in the dark
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1878 [17:37:14] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: If you coldboot into Debian, do the port work fine?
1879 [17:37:24] <petn-randall> *ports
1880 [17:39:41] <Kaltigk> Sorry I'm not familiar with the term, do you mean from a completely powered down state?
1881 [17:39:59] <Moussa> yes
1882 [17:40:14] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: Yes, it means that it's powered off, and then you turn it on. As opposed to rebooting in Windows and then selecting Debian in the bootloader.
1883 [17:40:35] <Kaltigk> Gotcha. Yes, I've tried that without change
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1887 [17:42:25] <Kaltigk> I also previously had another distro (Mint) installed alongside at one point, and the ports all seemed to work there as well if that provides any useful info.
1888 [17:43:05] <Moussa> i had a problem with my USB, but different error, was a time out related, the USB bus would freeze
1889 [17:43:44] <Moussa> setting the BIOS to IDE from AHCI seems to fix the problem for me
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1897 [17:46:19] <petn-randall> Moussa: I wouldn't know how that would even affect the system, other than making it unbootable.
1898 [17:46:40] <petn-randall> Moussa: IDE/AHCI setting is for the storage controller, which is a different chip than the USB controller.
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1901 [17:47:38] <Moussa> well neither why debian wont boot unless a single hd is plugged into the satas port
1902 [17:47:48] <Moussa> sata*
1903 [17:48:14] <Moussa> boot from USB
1904 [17:48:40] <Moussa> weird stuff
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1909 [17:50:06] <Kaltigk> It seems able to boot to a Debian live image on USB from the USB 2.0 ports, and will respond at the splash screen (for instance, I can select install, or rescue, etc), but as soon as I select an option, it stops responding if the device is plugged into one of those ports
1910 [17:50:28] <Kaltigk> Sorry, not a live image, just the installer media*
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1912 [17:50:51] <Moussa> that exactly what i was having
1913 [17:51:38] <Moussa> i used netinstall iso as usual
1914 [17:51:59] <Kaltigk> Hmm. I'll check out the UEFI options I have and see if changing those helps. Right now it's set to AHCI
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1916 [17:52:39] <Moussa> i disabeld UEFI on mine
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1918 [17:53:17] <Moussa> debian now is installed on a 16gb usb2 stick
1919 [17:53:21] <DammitJim> how do you say UEFI? I say You-EF-Eye
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1921 [17:54:03] <petn-randall> DammitJim: That would spell UFI.
1922 [17:54:09] <greycat> In my head, it has always been "you ee eff eye".
1923 [17:54:55] <Moussa> and tomorrow we will build the zfs raid 5x2tb
1924 [17:55:09] <Moussa> another dilemma i hope not
1925 [17:55:12] <Kaltigk> That seems related to the issue for me. I have mine set to UEFI only now, which is how I've installed Debian. When I had Mint installed it was in legacy mode, with the boards IOMMU controller enabled, which seemed to affect the USB ports. When I enable the IOMMU controlled now though Debian is unable to boot
1926 [17:55:18] <deicide-> anyone here knows his way around torrents?
1927 [17:55:55] <deicide-> i'm having some really bad time trying to migrate
1928 [17:56:10] <deicide-> which makes me "jailed" to windows
1929 [17:56:16] <petn-randall> deicide-: No surveys please, just straight ask your question.
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1933 [17:56:51] <deicide-> trying to migrate 1000 linus iso's torrents from windows to linux petn-randall
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1935 [17:56:57] <deicide-> linux*
1936 [17:57:34] <petn-randall> deicide-: You mean you're seeding them and want to do the same on Linux?
1937 [17:57:51] <deicide-> i guess
1938 [17:58:27] <petn-randall> deicide-: I'd go with one of the many torrent daemons. Then just dump the downloaded files into one dir, and the torrents into the incoming dir.
1939 [17:59:34] <deicide-> i did that then manually change the location since its different then windows and then did force recheck and 99% of them stay at 0%
1940 [18:00:08] <greycat> I'm not understanding "manually change the location since it's different than Windows"
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1943 [18:01:30] <deicide-> example d:/downloads to /media/user/downloads
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1946 [18:02:15] <greycat> But... you just put the .torrent file and the .iso file in some place on Linux and then point the Torrent program at it.
1947 [18:03:10] <deicide-> whats the "appdata" version of linux again?
1948 [18:03:23] <deicide-> i don't get what you mean greycat
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1950 [18:03:33] <greycat> Which Torrent program are you using?
1951 [18:03:43] <deicide-> qbitorrent
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1955 [18:04:09] <deicide-> used to used utorrent for years until recently
1956 [18:04:11] <greycat> No such pkg in apt-cache search.
1957 [18:04:52] <petn-randall> greycat: qbittorrent
1958 [18:05:03] <greycat> oh, but qbittorrent exists ... says it depends on libqt, so it's probably graphical.
1959 [18:05:07] <greycat> Sounds painful.
1960 [18:05:27] <petn-randall> deicide-: I don't know qbittorrent, but with transmission and rtorrent you can just define an incoming dir for the *.torrent, and a destination dir where all the stuff is downloaded to.
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1966 [18:06:39] <deicide-> what would you suggest for how does one(a really noob one) migrate torrents from windows to linux?
1967 [18:06:51] <greycat> petn-randall has told you a couple times already
1968 [18:07:12] <deicide-> i'm not familiar with either software
1969 [18:07:14] <greycat> 1) choose a non-graphical Torrent program; 2) choose a place to put the files; 3) run the Torrent program in such a way that it snatches up all the files
1970 [18:07:34] <deicide-> i have to have gui
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1972 [18:08:11] <petn-randall> deicide-: transmission also has a gui.
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1974 [18:08:24] <greycat> Then you'll have to bang your head against the graphical interface of your chosen program until you find whatever knob or button makes it read & seed the .torrent files.
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1977 [18:09:23] <deicide-> how do i view the .config folder?
1978 [18:09:43] <greycat> Every Torrent program is different and has its own things. I don't know what a ".config folder" is.
1979 [18:10:09] <greycat> Maybe you mean the ~/.config directory, which many programs use. In that case, "ls -l ~/.config" or whatever.
1980 [18:10:18] <deicide-> i accessed it one time, its exactly like appdata on windows
1981 [18:10:34] <greycat> Sounds like you mean the ~/.config directory.
1982 [18:11:13] <deicide-> oh yes thank you
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1985 [18:13:53] <jhutchins_wk> deicide-: replaced-url
1986 [18:15:08] <awal1> deicide-, which kind of stuff you want to download via torrent?
1987 [18:15:20] <Moussa> not sure, but i recall transmission had a gui web interface, but i could be wrong
1988 [18:15:26] <greycat> Near as we can tell, he has the files already and he wants to seed them.
1989 [18:15:31] <awal1> transmission-gtk is good
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1991 [18:15:39] <deicide-> there are more hidden . folders, how do i view them
1992 [18:15:46] <greycat> ls -a
1993 [18:15:50] <deicide-> ".folders"
1994 [18:16:04] <Moussa> MC is your friend
1995 [18:16:07] <awal1> or ctrl-. in your file manager
1996 [18:16:37] <Moussa> i meant midnight commander
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1998 [18:17:00] <annadane> mc feels clunky imo if you can do things via cli
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2002 [18:17:30] <awal1> pcmannfm ctrl-. , thunar ctrl-h nit sure about nautilus/dolphin
2003 [18:18:04] <deicide-> awal1 i have recently migrated to debian from linux(still dual booting on different drive windows) and i have 1000 active seeded torrents i'm trying to migrate them to linux
2004 [18:18:12] <Kaltigk> Moussa: It was a UEFI setting! Thanks for pointing me there. I had to enable IOMMU controller AND edit /etc/default/grub to make grub play nice with the new setting, but all the ports are working now!
2005 [18:18:12] <deicide-> from windows*
2006 [18:18:58] <Moussa> Kaltigk, as i said weird stuff :-)
2007 [18:19:02] <greycat> Choosing the right Torrent program will probably be the most important part.
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2009 [18:19:18] <Moussa> not a problem
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2013 [18:23:06] <awal1> deicide-, i just use transmission-gtk for download debian images, usually; not familiar with torrents stuff.
2014 [18:23:38] <awal1> 'mktorrent' will help you. check things using apt/apt-cache/aptitude
2015 [18:23:53] <awal1> "aptitude search torrent" for start
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2017 [18:24:19] <awal1> 'mktorrent' will help you maybe?
2018 [18:24:35] <greycat> I'd start with the programs that received the most recommendations here, first.
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2020 [18:24:59] <awal1> i think transmission-gtk is very popular
2021 [18:25:29] <jelly> deicide-: which torrent client do you use on the old OS?
2022 [18:25:34] <Moussa> i 2nd that, and i do not use torrent
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2024 [18:26:10] <Moussa> i had a small play with it
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2026 [18:28:22] <Moussa> and AFAIR, it had a nice GUI web interface
2027 [18:28:31] <tw> rtorrent, deluge, and transmission are pretty much your options.
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2030 [18:32:06] <deicide-> qbitorrent
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2032 [18:32:44] <deicide-> brb
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2035 [18:34:58] <tw> ,v qbittorrent
2036 [18:34:59] <judd> Package: qbittorrent on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.8-1; wheezy-security: 2.9.8-1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.1.10-1; stretch: 3.3.7-3; buster: 4.0.3-1; sid: 4.0.3-1
2037 [18:35:27] <greycat> It depends on libqt which is a big red flag in my book.
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2039 [18:36:40] <jelly> Qt apps typically do that, yes
2040 [18:37:14] <tw> there's a -nox version for headless use.
2041 [18:37:18] <tw> also in stretch.
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2056 [18:48:15] <deicide-> i'm back, ragequit to windows
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2059 [18:50:28] <dasdajs_> deicide-, Welcome to a rational world <3
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2065 [18:52:48] <deicide-> its just painful to work with that os
2066 [18:52:58] <deicide-> especially when nothing works for me
2067 [18:53:33] <jhutchins_wk> deicide-: Did you get those links I posted to you earlier?
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2070 [18:54:10] <deicide-> no cause they were not related to my problems
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2072 [18:54:47] <ctcx> If needing to make a script with a menu of choices, what's the difference between using "case" and "select"? I could not see many...
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2075 [18:55:02] <greycat> ctcx: replaced-url
2076 [18:55:20] <ctcx> Ah thanks.
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2081 [18:59:17] <drith> hello, can anyone confirm on latest debian testing
2082 [18:59:18] <drith> dmesg
2083 [18:59:18] <drith> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
2084 [18:59:33] <greycat> That's in stretch, too, if you aren't root.
2085 [18:59:38] <greycat> replaced-url
2086 [19:00:03] <drith> didn't knew that, coming from debian 8, thanks
2087 [19:00:04] <ctcx> Actually I would not need something like GUI to use dialog... Could it be usage of whether "case" or "select" is a matter of just style?
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2089 [19:00:47] <greycat> "select" is a shell builtin that gives you a very primitive menu in precisely one format. No flexibility. If that's good enough, then fine.
2090 [19:01:01] <greycat> "case" has nothing to do with menus at all.
2091 [19:01:09] <drith> also "su" without " -" will not change environment variables?
2092 [19:01:18] <greycat> drith: THAT is new in testing, not stretch.
2093 [19:01:24] <greycat> Err, wait.
2094 [19:01:53] <greycat> The part about it not changing PATH is new in testing. Not changing *other* env vars is standard behavior.
2095 [19:02:15] <drith> ok, thanks
2096 [19:04:06] <ctcx> Ok, thanks.
2097 [19:04:12] <drith> su can launch synaptic but "su -" (synaptic:20062): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:03:17.783: cannot open display:
2098 [19:05:13] <greycat> "su -" clears your environment including DISPLAY
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2100 [19:05:48] <drith> Alright, that explains it, I was so used by just su...
2101 [19:06:10] <greycat> Yeah, I don't think the people who made this change in testing really appreciate just how huge a change it is.
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2103 [19:07:16] <greycat> I don't want to put anything on a NewInBuster page for it yet, because they might just decide to tweak the config file to make it default to the prior behavior. Or not, who knows.
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2105 [19:08:18] <drith> greycat, can you give a link if there exists, for that last change?
2106 [19:08:28] <drith> forum or something
2107 [19:08:29] <greycat> A what?
2108 [19:08:36] <greycat> A mailing list discussion?
2109 [19:08:37] <drith> about the su - part
2110 [19:08:56] <greycat> replaced-url
2111 [19:09:01] <drith> yes mailing list is good also
2112 [19:09:12] <drith> greycat, thank you
2113 [19:11:18] <drith> Going to change /etc/login.defs , i can't deal with this change at least for now...
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2117 [19:12:37] <zerocool> hi yall
2118 [19:13:52] <dasdajs_> deicide-, I totally agree.. Ran linux and bsd only for years but had to install windows because of gaming and only hours after using it I was close to going back...
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2137 [19:29:25] <phalloid> Greetings! Today, I will tell you all the true story of how global relations ended up in the shitter.
2138 [19:29:44] <phalloid> Once upon a time, there was a savage, violent man. His IQ was about 43, and he loved sex with lots of women. His name was Mohamed...
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2141 [19:30:35] <deicide-> dasdajs_ ive been using windows for 20 years and linux less than few weeks(total time, have it for a year now)
2142 [19:30:40] <ctcx> greycat: still reading the wooledge bash wiki. But still, "case" having nothing to do with menus? So using it is actually an "unorthodox" practice?
2143 [19:30:45] <deicide-> its really hard for me to do the switch
2144 [19:31:14] <deicide-> meanwhile this is what i need to deal with replaced-url
2145 [19:31:33] <greycat> case in bash is just like switch in C. It lets you compare one value against a bunch of patterns or strings and then act on whichever thing it matches.
2146 [19:32:14] <greycat> Like: case $1 in start) systemctl start foobar;; stop) systemctl stop foobar;; esac
2147 [19:33:07] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
2148 [19:33:08] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy-
2149 [19:33:09] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2150 [19:33:24] <phalloid> LONG LIVE THE EVERLASTING EMPORIUM OF BIRDSHIT!
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2161 [19:35:54] <indigoblu> is there any tools available on debian for packaging and running from different non-system paths? I have used and packaged for Redhat's (SCL/softwarecollections.org) and trying to do the same on Debian. Port SCL wrappers to Debian?
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2163 [19:36:36] <ctcx> greycat: apologizing beforehand for my ignorance, but that would sound for me like kind of a menu as well...
2164 [19:37:15] <greycat> ctcx: to me, a "menu" is a large prompt that is displayed to a user, and then the reading of a response from that user. This is what "select" does. It is NOT what "case" does.
2165 [19:37:38] <greycat> case is a programming logic statement, like if.
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2167 [19:38:05] <jelly> I'd say flow control, not logic, but yeah
2168 [19:38:10] <greycat> The example I gave earlier could also have been written: if test "$1" = start; then systemctl start foobar; elif test "$1" = stop; then systemctl stop foobar; fi
2169 [19:38:45] <RoyK> greycat: or use 'case'
2170 [19:38:52] <jelly> RoyK: that was the context
2171 [19:38:57] <RoyK> ah
2172 [19:39:12] * RoyK somehow fell out a couple of days, probably because of a split and +r
2173 [19:39:19] <greycat> We're trying to help ctcx see that case does not create a menu.
2174 [19:39:42] * jelly whips greycat's tail
2175 [19:39:48] <greycat> You could use case to act upon the user's response FROM a menu, but case does not actually CREATE the menu nor collect the user's response.
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2179 [19:44:55] <drith> does anyone know whether virtualbox works on debian testing/buster?
2180 [19:45:18] <greycat> !debian-next
2181 [19:45:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2186 [19:47:30] <annadane> drith, define "works"... it may have bugs or not
2187 [19:47:44] <annadane> there's also one in backports if you need something newer (and you're already on stable), IIRC
2188 [19:47:46] <annadane> ,v virtualbox
2189 [19:47:47] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.10-dfsg-6~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-1
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2191 [19:48:05] <annadane> (and if you ARE on stable in the first place don't add packages from testing or unstable)
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2193 [19:48:36] <drith> I am on testing, but thanks
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2195 [19:49:40] <drith> The thing is that i have used debian for so many years but lately (last few years) testing feels more fragile. This my own opinion though.
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2197 [19:50:36] <jelly> the percieved robustness of testing probably depends more on the release cycle than anything else
2198 [19:51:20] <jelly> but its goal is to BE fragile, so YOU can file and fix bugs and it can become stable
2199 [19:51:44] <jelly> that's why you're running testing, right? Right?
2200 [19:51:56] <greycat> Can't think of any other reason to do it.
2201 [19:52:12] <drith> jelly, that is one reason, also i have latest ryzen cpu...
2202 [19:52:18] <greycat> If you wanted "stuff with higher numbers but still usually works" you'd just run unstable instead.
2203 [19:52:52] <jelly> drith: and in a year or so, normal users will be able to buy ryzen and run Debian, too. Thank you for your relentless effort.
2204 [19:53:18] <ctcx> Then, if reasoning correctly, both could be used depending on how one creates the "menu". I was first thinking of displaying whole menu just with echoes then using read command.
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2206 [19:53:57] <greycat> It is common to use case AFTER the user has selected something from a menu. Regardless of how the menu was presented.
2207 [19:54:07] <ctcx> But then I read things like "select" are able to kind of create the menu itself without echoes.
2208 [19:54:15] <greycat> That part is correct.
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2212 [19:54:49] <greycat> select is an alternative to echo; echo; echo; echo; while read ... done
2213 [19:55:11] <ctcx> Damn, in bash it's slightly more complicated than I thought, in the sense there's *more* than one option to do this
2214 [19:55:14] <jelly> I guess if you had a GUI widget library you might bind pieces of code directly to UI elements for making the choice (say, buttons)
2215 [19:55:31] <ctcx> In Windows I remember I just used echoes, set, and gotos
2216 [19:55:35] <greycat> That's a whole different kind of programming than shell scripts.
2217 [19:55:49] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I don't see anything about su in the NewInStretch page.
2218 [19:56:07] <jelly> clearly we need asynchronous shell scripts with callbacks and hook...ers.
2219 [19:56:20] <greycat> If you want to make GUIs with widgets and buttons that do things when you click them, I recommend Tk + whatever REAL language you prefer (Tcl or Python or ...).
2220 [19:56:33] <ctcx> I know, thanks.
2221 [19:56:35] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: because it's not changed in stretch. only in buster.
2222 [19:56:49] <ctcx> Fortunately I don't need GUIs for what I need now.
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2225 [19:57:30] <ctcx> Just a shell script menu, though called from GUI indeed (double-clicking it from file browser)
2226 [19:57:44] <jelly> greycat: but did they pick "/usr/bin/column" from util-linux as well, that one actually has nice features instead of breaking nice features
2227 [19:57:54] <drith> jelly, i am a normal user too, and ryzen is cheap
2228 [19:58:00] <jelly> drith: no, you're not
2229 [19:58:14] <jelly> you chose to but latest hardware and run linux on it
2230 [19:58:29] <jelly> that's always a pain
2231 [19:58:30] <greycat> jelly: I don't know; it hasn't come up on debian-user yet, and I don't run testing at the moment.
2232 [19:58:30] <drith> that is part of the fum
2233 [19:58:35] <drith> *fun
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2235 [19:58:57] <spacedust> give me latest high end hw , ill run linux on it of course what else ? windivia ?
2236 [19:59:19] <drith> btw nvidia drivers run ok on testing
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2238 [19:59:40] <jelly> spacedust: I don't mind as long as you don't say how fragile things are in here!
2239 [19:59:51] <annadane> my ego is fragile.
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2241 [20:00:38] <jelly> annadane: but your ego has working sensors to detect when it's hurt. Unlike ryzen chipsets on linux.
2242 [20:00:44] <drith> jelly, i said that it is my only opinion because i have done this same thing many times, including laptops with non working wireless for few months
2243 [20:01:06] <greycat> I'm sure #debian-next will care.
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2245 [20:01:07] <spacedust> jelly: lol ryzens fail to detect when they hurt and get burned out or what ?
2246 [20:01:27] <spacedust> all hail debian-next
2247 [20:01:51] <jelly> go run /usr/bin/sensors_detect ... *crickets*
2248 [20:02:11] <ctcx> For "select", do I forcibly need the PS3 prompt?
2249 [20:02:26] <greycat> Dude, just TRY IT.
2250 [20:03:24] <ctcx> I'm trying it now in fact.
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2252 [20:04:13] <greycat> One of the only good parts about shell scripting is how easy it is to just *try* something in your shell to see if it works.
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2254 [20:04:33] <ctcx> Yes, sorry.
2255 [20:04:38] <ctcx> Got it, thanks.
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2257 [20:05:20] <Kobaz> hey, having an issue with default grub2 setup and a btrfs raid-1 root
2258 [20:05:31] <Kobaz> when i do update-grub... it makes an invalid grub config..
2259 [20:06:04] <Kobaz> replaced-url
2260 [20:06:09] <ctcx> Select in bash looks way simpler at first sight than what I did in the Windows batch. Could it be due to the difference between kinds of programming, or perhaps I over-complicated myself with the batch as well?
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2262 [20:06:52] <acidtripper> hi
2263 [20:07:04] <acidtripper> somebody there login with fingerprint?
2264 [20:07:17] <acidtripper> t460 here want to login just with finger
2265 [20:07:24] <jelly> ctcx: .bat and .cmd did not have a lot of syntax to begin with
2266 [20:08:25] <ctcx> jelly: oh, maybe that's why I needed to certainly use loops there...
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2268 [20:09:09] <greycat> bash (or even legacy sh) is a hell of a lot more powerful than .BAT (command.com) was.
2269 [20:10:01] <jelly> that's exactly why they named the new one PowerShell
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2271 [20:11:17] <acidtripper> nobody there login with fingerprint?
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2274 [20:12:09] <jelly> maybe not on laptops
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2278 [20:14:02] <petn-randall> acidtripper: No need for a survey, just ask your question.
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2280 [20:14:36] <annadane> also it's been like 4 minutes
2281 [20:14:37] <jelly> ,i libpam-fprintd
2282 [20:14:38] <judd> Package libpam-fprintd (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: PAM module for fingerprint authentication through fprintd. Version: 0.7.0-1; Size: 10.5k; Installed: 42k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2285 [20:15:11] <jelly> I'd hunt around those parts of the woods, acidtripper
2286 [20:16:01] <ctcx> Oohh, so that's the reason behind PowerShell
2287 [20:16:16] <dasdajs_> Do anyone in here know sauvin?
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2289 [20:16:28] <jelly> dasdajs_: like personally?
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2291 [20:16:42] <greycat> Biblically.
2292 [20:17:03] <spacedust> can i run linux on my PS4 ?
2293 [20:17:12] <jelly> spacedust: not easily
2294 [20:17:40] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: It's best if you just ask your real question.
2295 [20:17:55] <jelly> spacedust: if you find a unit with VERY old firmware (2 years or so) there are public exploits
2296 [20:18:16] <dasdajs_> I'm trying to reach him, but not responding. Was asking him a question :)
2297 [20:18:39] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: sauvin, as the IRC nickname?
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2299 [20:18:45] <jelly> dasdajs_: leave him a memo on /msg MemoServ perhaps, or idle in ##linux
2300 [20:18:59] <spacedust> jelly: oh so i need to "root" it ?
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2302 [20:19:09] <jelly> spacedust: absolutely
2303 [20:19:19] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, yes
2304 [20:19:27] <spacedust> jelly: i once remember we booted a special os for the ps2 from an sdcard put into a camera connected to the ps2 via mini usb cable :D
2305 [20:19:42] <spacedust> jelly: was really long time ago but was awesome :) my buddy hacked the ps2 somehow before that
2306 [20:19:50] <spacedust> jelly: as in hw modded it, himself
2307 [20:19:54] <dasdajs_> jelly, alright, I was idle on ##linux but they kicked me and hence the reason I need to speak with him because he was the one. I didn't get a reason which was asking him for :)
2308 [20:20:14] <acidtripper> judd: i installed it
2309 [20:20:15] <judd> No package named 'installed' was found in stretch/amd64.
2310 [20:20:16] <spacedust> jelly: so what after you rooted it ? what can you do then to run linux ?
2311 [20:20:30] <acidtripper> does kde o gnome have some gui promt for it?
2312 [20:20:34] <acidtripper> or how it works?
2313 [20:20:40] <jelly> dasdajs_: oh, then ask in ##linux-ops
2314 [20:21:03] <dasdajs_> jelly, thanks!
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2318 [20:22:33] <acidtripper> haha judd fingerd
2319 [20:22:37] <acidtripper> :D
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2321 [20:23:41] <greycat> fingerd is no longer a serious thing
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2323 [20:24:04] <jelly> acidtripper: you will probably want to read the documentation for fprintd, maybe it's in /usr/share/doc/fprintd or nearby, and figure out how to enroll fingerprints
2324 [20:24:39] <acidtripper> greycat: what's serious now? have some security issues?
2325 [20:25:16] <jelly> acidtripper: no, there used to be a network service called "finger" run by a "fingerd"
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2327 [20:25:37] <greycat> First of all, judd is a bot. Second, judd mentioned libpam-fprintd only because jelly told judd to mention libpam-fprintd. Third, fprintd is NOT the same as fingerd.
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2329 [20:26:05] <acidtripper> hahaha
2330 [20:26:12] <acidtripper> judd: you suck
2331 [20:26:14] <jelly> but fingerd has nothing to do with what you're after
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2334 [20:26:28] <jelly> please don't belittle the bots
2335 [20:26:44] <acidtripper> hahah so i 'll check about it
2336 [20:26:44] <jelly> they do the best they can
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2338 [20:27:14] <bjonnh> replaced-url
2339 [20:27:17] <greycat> judd does not suck.
2340 [20:27:50] <jelly> eh, you ought to see the database import job
2341 [20:28:05] <acidtripper> judd: he's a great boy
2342 [20:28:10] <jelly> it sucks multiple times a day
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2345 [20:34:54] <ctcx> judd: hello
2346 [20:35:10] <ctcx> Mm, it's hibernating.
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2355 [20:43:56] <ralpheeee> after reading a couple of articles am correct in thinking that sid would be better than the testing as it receives security patches quicker and packages which might cause issues will be fixed quicker with sid...sid is more of a rolling distro as their is never a freeze? ...am reading that testing users always experience challenges after a stable release....
2356 [20:44:40] <greycat> Sid breaks more often, but gets fixed more quickly, compared to testing. When testing breaks, it tends to stay broken for AGES.
2357 [20:45:35] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: sid is not a distro or a release, it is a repository for packagees making their way into testing.
2358 [20:45:44] <ralpheeee> greycat: and what is with challenges testing users experience after a stable release...
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2360 [20:46:14] <ralpheeee> i couldn't get my head around that
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2362 [20:46:29] <greycat> sid breaks extra hard, extra fast, right after a release.
2363 [20:46:39] <greycat> those changes trickle down into testing, in whole or in part.
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2366 [20:46:47] <greycat> usually in part, which makes testing even MORE broken
2367 [20:46:48] <jelly> ttesting breaks HARDER
2368 [20:46:59] <ralpheeee> jhutchins_wk: never looked at it that way....so i guess the base is not really stable either?
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2372 [20:47:10] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Packages that may have been frozen from the pre-stable testing will be released to move forward, so you can get a lot of changes at once.
2373 [20:47:19] <jelly> which is not odd because testing is the sequel
2374 [20:47:37] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: All packages are eligible for updates/changes in sid.
2375 [20:48:54] <ralpheeee> interesting....thxs for all the clarifications!!!...still dont know what to choose....lol
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2377 [20:49:48] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Debian really isn't a candidate for a rolling release. It's not easy to roll back a package that breaks something, there aren't really tools for dealing with problems like that.
2378 [20:50:25] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: What Debian's good for is having a solid, stable release that you can rely on to behave consistently throughtout it's release cycle.
2379 [20:50:34] <jelly> a loling release maybe
2380 [20:50:50] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: At the same time, it has a shorter release cycle than say RedHat.
2381 [20:51:12] <ralpheeee> suppose i shouldn't be lazy and learn to deal with backports...but dam some of the stable packages are old....just saying...
2382 [20:51:37] <jelly> there are whole teams and derivatives distros that aim to make a kind-of rolling release from debian, like "sidux"
2383 [20:51:50] <jelly> they do a lot of work
2384 [20:52:04] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Remember that the major version of a debian package doesn't tell you anything about patches that have been backported to it. It's not the same thing as the upstream major version.
2385 [20:52:27] <ralpheeee> jhutchins_wk: ahhhhhhhhh
2386 [20:52:28] <jelly> but those are derivatives and not .debian.org efforts for a reason
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2388 [20:52:53] <ralpheeee> yeah really do not like derivatives....!!!!
2389 [20:53:57] <ralpheeee> kinda of a purist when it comes to linux...
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2391 [20:54:38] <greycat> If you're unsure what to choose, then you should probably choose the current stable release.
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2393 [20:55:41] <ralpheeee> jhutchins_wk: so if debian patch a particular package the version number remains the same albeit it might have all the latest from the newer package?
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2395 [20:56:18] <ralpheeee> greycat: thats what am currently leaning towards....
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2406 [21:03:32] <jelly> ralpheeee: the version number remains the same, and only security and other critical bugs get fixed
2407 [21:04:03] <jelly> most other bugs relevant for a stable release get noted and (sometimes) fixed in unstable
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2410 [21:04:45] <ralpheeee> jelly: cool makes sense now
2411 [21:05:04] <jelly> but at least you _know_ about them and can make arrangements, and often bug reports document workarounds
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2417 [21:05:43] <Habbie> i'm trying to compile some software that tells me to 'apt-get install libmysqlclient-dev'
2418 [21:05:46] <Habbie> this does not work on my debian 9
2419 [21:05:52] <Habbie> what's the best term to replace it with?
2420 [21:06:03] <Habbie> that would, preferably, do something useful on debian 8, 9, and '10'
2421 [21:06:09] <jelly> ,whatprovides libmysqlclient-dev'
2422 [21:06:12] <jelly> oops.
2423 [21:06:13] <jelly> ,whatprovides libmysqlclient-dev
2424 [21:06:21] <judd> No packages provide 'libmysqlclient-dev'' in stretch/amd64.
2425 [21:06:23] <judd> No packages provide 'libmysqlclient-dev' in stretch/amd64.
2426 [21:06:56] <jelly> Habbie: that's going to be a problem, because 8 (jessie) has libmysqlclient-dev and 9+ have switched to maria
2427 [21:07:18] <Habbie> hello jelly (are you the same one from #powerdns?)
2428 [21:07:26] <Habbie> so i'm not picky about mysql vs. maria
2429 [21:07:38] <Habbie> i just want docs that allow people that want to compile powerdns from source to get something working
2430 [21:07:52] <Habbie> i've also pondered just removing mysql from that apt-get line because not everybody needs it
2431 [21:08:09] <jelly> Habbie: so your debian/control will probably have to something like Build-Depends: libmysqlclient-dev | libmariadbclient-dev
2432 [21:08:22] <jelly> (yes it's me)
2433 [21:08:23] <Habbie> our debian/control is nicely versioned, there is no problem there
2434 [21:08:33] <Habbie> i just want our readme to be useful in a copy/paste
2435 [21:09:01] <Habbie> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libmysqlclient-dev | libmariadbclient-dev'
2436 [21:09:04] <Habbie> that wasn't it
2437 [21:09:23] <Habbie> ohh '(libmysqlclient-dev|libmariadbclient-dev)'
2438 [21:09:24] <jelly> Habbie: which tool says that?
2439 [21:09:28] <Habbie> apt-get
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2441 [21:10:01] <jelly> yeah, to get source deps it'd be ideal to use apt-get build-dep
2442 [21:10:14] <jelly> but then you need deb-src repo
2443 [21:10:18] <Habbie> yes
2444 [21:10:25] <Habbie> so also not the path of least resistance i'm looking for
2445 [21:10:33] <Habbie> and turns out '(libmysqlclient-dev|libmariadbclient-dev)' doesn't work on raspbian 8
2446 [21:10:40] <Habbie> (which until further notice i trust to mimick debian 8)
2447 [21:11:17] <jelly> a-ha
2448 [21:11:19] <Habbie> so right now i'm at "update README for debian 9" or "remove mysql from the apt-get suggestion"
2449 [21:11:32] <jelly> ,v default-libmysqlclient-dev
2450 [21:11:33] <judd> Package: default-libmysqlclient-dev on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0.1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2; buster: 1.0.4; sid: 1.0.4
2451 [21:11:40] <Habbie> let me try that on 8
2452 [21:11:43] <jelly> crap, does not exist in jessie
2453 [21:11:45] <Habbie> oh
2454 [21:11:55] <Habbie> i saw that in 9 and it looked useful, indeed, but ugh :)
2455 [21:12:30] <jelly> but it will real useful when debian 12 switches over to libpercona-server-client-dev
2456 [21:12:59] <Habbie> the plan is for that one to yield 'some lib that is mostly mysql compatible for compiling and linking against'?
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2458 [21:13:15] <jelly> I don't know how to do it in a oneliner with apt-get
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2462 [21:14:06] <crised> In Debian 9.4, How to enable apt-get from network?
2463 [21:14:15] <crised> I think it was using the DVD earlier
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2466 [21:15:46] <jelly> Habbie: yes
2467 [21:16:19] <Habbie> jelly, i like that
2468 [21:18:36] <Habbie> ok, i'm going to ignore this README problem for a few days because it looks like there are no simple solutions that cover deb8
2469 [21:18:42] <Habbie> other than dropping mysql from it
2470 [21:18:45] <jelly> Habbie: mydev=default-libmysqlclient-dev; apt-cache policy $mydev | grep -q 'Candidate: [^(] && mydev=libmysqlclient-dev; apt-get install ... $mydev ...
2471 [21:18:47] <Habbie> thanks jelly
2472 [21:18:48] * jelly hides
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2474 [21:18:51] <Habbie> haha
2475 [21:18:53] <Habbie> so i do like that
2476 [21:18:57] <Habbie> but i'm not going to do that
2477 [21:20:15] <jelly> I also hate when web sites want me to paste some incomprehensible crap into the command line
2478 [21:20:50] <bites> crised: you can check if the cdrom lines are still enables in /etc/apt/sources.list
2479 [21:20:50] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: You might want to look into Percona DB. They are committed to 100% compatibility with (Oracle) MySQL.
2480 [21:21:06] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: they are not present in Debian, tho
2481 [21:21:08] <crised> bites: did that, which ones should be there?
2482 [21:21:45] <bites> !tell crised about stretch sources.list
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2484 [21:22:18] <bites> crised: assuming you are running stretch
2485 [21:22:32] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, as does maria, but i was solving the specific problem of 'what do i tell people on debian 8, 9 or "10" to apt-get to build our client'
2486 [21:22:38] <bites> ... which you already said. so that.
2487 [21:23:14] <Habbie> jelly, it is my assumption that people will skim the apt-get line from the README for stupid stuff
2488 [21:23:27] <jelly> you'll have to go with for 8 do this, for 9 and later, do that
2489 [21:23:35] <Habbie> yeah
2490 [21:23:38] <Habbie> or, again, drop mysql
2491 [21:23:42] <jelly> heheh
2492 [21:23:45] <Habbie> which i'll have to discuss ;0
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2494 [21:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: No, Maria is not committed to compatibility, they plan on diverging.
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2496 [21:25:52] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, even in the client lib?
2497 [21:26:21] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: That's probably the last place you'll see it, I'm not sure what their actual goals are, but they mean to be independent.
2498 [21:26:33] <Habbie> ok
2499 [21:26:52] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: Percona plans enhancements too, but will maintain the ability to take in a MySQL DB.
2500 [21:27:09] <Habbie> this makes me wonder if default-libmysqlclient-dev pointing to maria is the sane choice
2501 [21:27:11] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: You can replicate MySQL to Percona.
2502 [21:27:18] <Habbie> then again debian can revisit that choice with every major debian release safely
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2504 [21:27:32] <jhutchins_wk> Anyway, probably irrelevant to your current task.
2505 [21:27:38] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, right, that side, while i care much about that it's not what i'm worried about today
2506 [21:27:46] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, correct, but i do care, so i appreciate the information
2507 [21:28:10] <Habbie> DB compatibility matters to us on all levels
2508 [21:28:26] <Habbie> we recently got a complaint that our internal use of unsigned ints did not go well with some postgres-compatible clustering product
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2510 [21:29:01] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: replaced-url
2511 [21:29:28] <Habbie> ah, going to read that in a bit, thanks
2512 [21:29:34] <crised> bites: thanks, succesfully upgrade to 9.5 :)
2513 [21:29:37] <dutchfish> Habbie, its int64 in postgres, int doesnt live there.
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2516 [21:30:19] <Habbie> dutchfish, replaced-url
2517 [21:30:22] <dutchfish> Habbie, (for unsigned)
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2519 [21:31:20] <Habbie> the linked ticket has -another- case of impedance mismatch on the range of numbers
2520 [21:32:24] <dutchfish> Habbie, not the same but related: replaced-url
2521 [21:33:03] <Habbie> dutchfish, tl;dr numbers in postgres are signed unless you constrain them?
2522 [21:33:16] <dutchfish> Habbie, right
2523 [21:33:21] <Habbie> understood
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2526 [21:33:54] <jelly> in any case maria is not going to be crazy enough to break source level client API in a backwards incompatible way
2527 [21:34:21] <Habbie> jelly, that is what i'd expect, yes
2528 [21:34:35] <jelly> you don't aggravate customers or distros needlessly
2529 [21:34:52] <jelly> well, maybe if you're MS or Oracle.
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2531 [21:35:20] <Habbie> hehe
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2536 [21:35:47] <hans_> where is the testing channel?
2537 [21:35:52] <hans_> buster
2538 [21:36:06] <dutchfish> Habbie, #debian-next (OFTC)
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2541 [21:36:18] <hans_> thanks
2542 [21:36:19] <dutchfish> oh, that was for hans
2543 [21:36:27] <Habbie> worked out fine :)
2544 [21:37:38] <jelly> Habbie: oh btw the official #debian (and everything #debian-*) is also on OFTC. But this one is still bigger.
2545 [21:38:03] <Habbie> jelly, ah, i just guessed, i suppose i picked right :)
2546 [21:38:13] <Habbie> having both seems confusing to me though
2547 [21:38:49] <greycat> All the devs moved to OFTC and all the users stayed here.
2548 [21:38:55] <Habbie> ah
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2601 [22:28:53] <ralpheeee> just finished reading debian back ports...surprisingly simple....or as usual i am missing something.../o\...what would be the major issues i would face if i did a stable net install and backported my packages....
2602 [22:29:34] <greycat> What packages are you talking about?
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2604 [22:30:51] <ralpheeee> libreoffice, mpd ncmpcpp, ie not base system packages like xorge etc... if that made sense
2605 [22:31:13] <ralpheeee> *xorg
2606 [22:31:16] <greycat> ,v libreoffice
2607 [22:31:17] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.5-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.0-1; sid:
2608 [22:31:18] <judd> 1:6.1.0-1
2609 [22:31:37] <greycat> ,v mpd
2610 [22:31:38] <judd> Package: mpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.16.7-2+b1; jessie: 0.19.1-1.1; jessie-backports: 0.19.12-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.19.21-1; buster: 0.20.21-1; sid: 0.20.21-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.19.21-dmo4; buster-multimedia: 1:0.20.21-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.20.21-dmo1
2611 [22:31:55] <greycat> ,checkbackport mpd
2612 [22:31:56] <judd> Backporting package mpd in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore, stretch-backports.
2613 [22:32:15] <greycat> So far so good. Have fun. (There's already a libreoffice backport, so you can just use that.)
2614 [22:32:31] <ralpheeee> \o/
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2620 [22:34:34] <ralpheeee> friggin awesome.....how did you guys see test if those packages where compatible....here? replaced-url
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2628 [22:38:53] <cnrhkiyf> hello guys, i want to stream alsa output audio over ssh like in this tutorial: replaced-url
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2631 [22:40:03] <RoyK> cnrhkiyf: not quite sure what to recommend, but never heard of audio streaming over ssh - there are a few client/server solutions designed for audio that should work better, though
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2634 [22:40:43] <cnrhkiyf> yes i know that but I want to do this and I know it is working
2635 [22:40:52] <cnrhkiyf> but i cant set it up
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2651 [22:51:18] <RoyK> cnrhkiyf: what sort of client?
2652 [22:51:45] <RoyK> cnrhkiyf: if you have a tcp socket for the audio localy, an ssh tunnel should do well
2653 [22:52:04] <cnrhkiyf> both machines are running debian stretch
2654 [22:52:24] <cnrhkiyf> the streaming pc has pulseaudio and the playing pc has alsa only
2655 [22:52:47] <cnrhkiyf> can you explain that a little more?
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2657 [22:53:00] <RoyK> last I checked, alsa doesn't deal with sockets
2658 [22:53:13] <RoyK> only a device
2659 [22:53:19] <RoyK> so you'll need something on top
2660 [22:55:06] <cnrhkiyf> ok this does not help me but thanks ;)
2661 [22:55:31] <cnrhkiyf> and i think ssh + sox + alsa should be enough
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2664 [22:56:25] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: One reason for the existence of pulseaudio is to enable playing/streaming to a remote device. Alsa has some capability to do this, but maybe not over ssh.
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2666 [22:56:43] <cnrhkiyf> see my link above
2667 [22:57:13] <cnrhkiyf> there are more tutorials like this so it should work well if you set it up correctly
2668 [22:57:19] <greycat> Why would we bother reading a link that you have already reported *does not work*?
2669 [22:57:36] <cnrhkiyf> it works, just not on my setup
2670 [22:57:40] <greycat> If there are other tutorials that work, why are you asking *us* instead of following one of them?
2671 [22:57:50] <greycat> If you have got it to work before, then do it here.
2672 [22:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: Google returns about 1,500,000 results for "stream audio over ssh".
2673 [22:58:16] <cnrhkiyf> but not for stream audio alsa ssh sox
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2677 [22:59:54] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: Did you check all of them?
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2679 [23:00:16] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: If you're inflexible about the recipie you may not enjoy the outcome.
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2683 [23:00:51] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: You may be using a screwdriver to drive nails.
2684 [23:01:03] <cnrhkiyf> i know pulseaudio can do this
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2686 [23:01:12] <cnrhkiyf> but i cant use pulseaudio on the second machine
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2688 [23:01:32] <greycat> So you move on to the next google/ddg result.
2689 [23:01:34] <cnrhkiyf> so I have to use alsa and ssh. and I dont know another way than sox to do this
2690 [23:01:43] <greycat> Stop assuming.
2691 [23:01:51] <cnrhkiyf> im not assuming
2692 [23:02:02] <greycat> Just search for "linux stream audio alsa". Don't add other requirements like "it has to use sox".
2693 [23:02:25] <greycat> Don't even assume it has to use ssh.
2694 [23:02:26] <cnrhkiyf> so what would you use?
2695 [23:02:30] <greycat> I would use google.
2696 [23:02:38] <cnrhkiyf> ok so you dont know
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2698 [23:02:44] <greycat> *plonk*
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2700 [23:03:13] <cnrhkiyf> are you like 5 or what?
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2702 [23:03:36] <greycat> Unlike you, I *actually* googled it and I found a guide that looked quite promising, but of course I did not actually test it here at work where I have no speakers or headphones or any other kind of sound-producing apparatus.
2703 [23:03:57] <cnrhkiyf> so just shut up if you cant help
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2706 [23:04:46] <awal1> cnrhkiyf, greycat and others are not blaming you. just trying to give you pistes
2707 [23:04:57] <awal1> slow down
2708 [23:05:16] <cnrhkiyf> i know but i dont like his attitude
2709 [23:05:31] <cnrhkiyf> he can do that to other people if he likes but not with me
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2711 [23:05:49] <cnrhkiyf> it is not his channelk
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2714 [23:06:05] <cnrhkiyf> and he is not the one making the rules for everyone
2715 [23:06:08] <awal1> you are talking with some of the most helpfull users here
2716 [23:06:24] <cnrhkiyf> yeah but for me he is not helpful
2717 [23:07:10] <cnrhkiyf> if I say i want to do it my way he has to respect that and not playing games with me
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2719 [23:07:41] <awal1> everyone have it's own attitude/character. take it easy
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2721 [23:08:01] <awal1> !ask
2722 [23:08:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2724 [23:09:12] <awal1> If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2730 [23:26:14] <usney> hey guys I figure out how to connect to wifi without a graphical user interface
2731 [23:27:01] <usney> where is the best place to make a post so others know how to do this? because it didn't work quite how all the guides told me how to do it.
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2733 [23:28:24] <usney> M-6 how do I enter that in to copy a line in nano and paste in pure command line interface?
2734 [23:28:55] <usney> newbie learning how to do everything from the commandline
2735 [23:29:03] <usney> don't get m-6 option
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2738 [23:30:12] <Emil> wtf, why was I kicked: 2018-08-01 15:49:04 +0300 -!- Emil was kicked from #debian by debhelper [NICK flooder]
2739 [23:30:17] <Emil> your bot went haywire
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2741 [23:30:30] <Emil> Anycase: I'd like to ask about the bsd nc package
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2743 [23:31:32] <Emil> Apparently with the 2012 version (at least the manual is 2012) nc automatically closes when I sent shutdown/close, but with the 2015 version (based on manpage), the nc stays active until any keys are pressed
2744 [23:31:35] <awal1> usney, replaced-url
2745 [23:31:45] <Emil> I'm wondering if this a known regression or just something in my end?
2746 [23:32:09] <usney> yes it was awall but I had to combine two guides to get it to work right
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2748 [23:32:18] <usney> well I'll look again to be sure
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2750 [23:32:31] <usney> maybe with debian 9.5 you have to do it a little different
2751 [23:34:18] <usney> awall when I am at a pure text mode how do I paste what I copied from nano into the command line after I exit nano or switch screens with screen?
2752 [23:35:06] <Kaltigk> usney: if you want to paste a line you have on your clipboard into a terminal, usually ctrl+shift+v will do it
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2754 [23:35:50] <usney> yes I know that Kaltigk
2755 [23:36:02] <usney> I am talking about if you are not in the graphical environment
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2757 [23:36:34] <usney> well let me try it again
2758 [23:36:44] <usney> brb
2759 [23:36:57] <n4dir> gpm or similar will create mose like copy paste in cli
2760 [23:38:01] <n4dir> i usually get away with cat; grep, reditection; etc
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2764 [23:39:28] <Kaltigk> Yeah, I'm not sure about copy paste if you're not running any kind of desktop environment. I def. could be wrong about this, but I feel like I remember the desktop environment handling the registers that text is copied and pasted from across the system. Not sure where it would be stored if you cut a line from within nano or a text editor and then closed it?
2765 [23:40:31] <usney> well you can use screen to keep it opened
2766 [23:40:59] <Kaltigk> In other words, I'm not sure if when you are working in a terminal that there is a sessionwide clipboard or not - someone else might be able to confirm. I'd probably try what n4dir suggested in terms of saving it as a file and using redirection, etc
2767 [23:41:14] <bites> screen has a copy buffer.
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2769 [23:41:31] <usney> nice
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2776 [23:43:51] <RoyK> some people choose to use tmux instead of screen, though, but then, choose what works for you
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2780 [23:44:54] <RoyK> replaced-url
2781 [23:45:30] <usney> hi RoyK
2782 [23:45:47] <awal1> usney, i use gpm, for copy/paste . or ttyrec for recording
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2784 [23:46:13] <usney> guess what I found out that orange pi pc plus works with kodi and retroarch
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2788 [23:46:33] <usney> it is called
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2792 [23:46:57] <RoyK> the fine thing about linux/unix is that there's about 20 ways to do each thing and combined the make up a large number ;)
2793 [23:47:12] <usney> replaced-url
2794 [23:47:31] <usney> can't wait to get my orange pi pc plus
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2796 [23:48:22] <RoyK> usney: what sort of games can you run on those?
2797 [23:48:40] * RoyK has an opi zero somewhere…
2798 [23:48:56] <usney> retroarch can play like n64 and playstation 1
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2800 [23:49:10] <usney> but I guess it depends on the specs of the board
2801 [23:49:49] <bites> i guess now is the time to stock up on roms before they take everything down?
2802 [23:49:51] <usney> also I think retroarch can play psp games but you probably need a better board for that but I don't know
2803 [23:50:33] <usney> zelda outlands is a pretty cool zelda hack
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2807 [23:54:19] <RoyK> bites, copyright nazis around?
2808 [23:54:50] <avernos> tried following the replaced-url
2809 [23:55:23] <bites> nintendo has been sending their lawyers after rom sites lately.
2810 [23:55:59] <RoyK> get it on torrent
2811 [23:56:03] <avernos> apt says nvidia-driver : This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
2812 [23:56:03] <avernos> distribution
2813 [23:56:04] <apt> avernos: that's too long
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2815 [23:56:35] <RoyK> !debian-unstable
2816 [23:56:40] <RoyK> !sid
2817 [23:56:40] <dpkg> somebody said sid was the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
2818 [23:57:01] <RoyK> avernos: don't use sid
2819 [23:57:19] <RoyK> !debian-next
2820 [23:57:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2822 [23:57:55] <RoyK> dpkg: debian-unstable is debian-next
2823 [23:57:57] <dpkg> okay, RoyK
2824 [23:58:09] <avernos> RoyK, Debian 9.5
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