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• 5[00:02:50] <esaym153> how do I use irc.debian.org? I've identified and registered (a couple of years ago) but for the last few months all I get is "#debian Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, msg NickServ to learn how to register and verify"
• 6[00:03:00] <esaym153> so "identified and verified"? How do I verify?
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• 10[00:04:56] <jelly> esaym153: just identify for a start, and see if NickServ sees your connection as id'd
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• 12[00:05:01] <RoyK> esaym153: register your nick in nickserv and identify with it
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• 14[00:05:15] <esaym153> jelly: I've done that, years ago. I identify fine
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• 16[00:05:29] <RoyK> esaym153: this wasn't required earlier, but freenode had a rather bad spam attack, so most channels require it now
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• 18[00:05:38] <jelly> esaym153: it has to be done on each connection
• 19[00:06:02] <RoyK> you just register your nick once and then just "identify" with nickserv later
• 20[00:06:13] <RoyK> most irc clients have this built in
• 21[00:06:14] <jelly> and the esaym153 on oftc right now is NOT identified with OFTC NickServ
• 22[00:06:15] <esaym153> jelly: connection? I'm not talking about freenode
• 23[00:06:21] <jelly> me neither
• 24[00:06:27] <esaym153> hm
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• 26[00:07:26] <RoyK> esaym153: replaced-url
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• 28[00:07:29] <jelly> er, not, you seem online now
• 29[00:07:37] <jelly> RoyK: they're asking about OFTC, not freenode
• 30[00:07:57] <jelly> they're id'd on freenode else would not be able to ask in here
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• 35[00:09:08] <esaym153> jelly: I see, doing 'nickserv info' shows verified: no. But yet when I identify, the server spits back: NickServ(services@replaced-ip)- You are successfully identified as esaym153
• 36[00:09:19] <RoyK> jelly: the difference between OFTC and Freenode is barely noticable
• 37[00:09:45] <jelly> RoyK: well, OFTC is all caps acronym and freenode is all lowercase
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• 39[00:10:06] * RoyK looks at jelly
• 40[00:10:36] <jelly> esaym153: I have no clue how one verifies. There's a "/msg NickServ checkverify" command there fwiw
• 41[00:10:46] <jelly> esaym153: ask in #oftc I guess
• 42[00:11:14] <jelly> RoyK: also, OFTC has a #debian with no active jelly
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• 44[00:11:34] <jelly> if a jelly is talkative it's probably not OFTC
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• 47[00:13:44] <jelly> esaym153: "/msg NickServ help register" has clues: -NickServ- To complete the registration, the nickname must be VERIFIED. To verify your nick, go to replaced-url
• 48[00:14:43] <esaym153> jelly: ah, brilliant
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• 51[00:15:07] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 53[00:16:40] <esaym153> jelly: it worked, sweet lol
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• 55[00:17:02] <jelly> !win esaym153
• 56[00:17:02] <dpkg> Congratulations, esaym153! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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• 65[00:22:13] <sadsagfjg> if i command apt-get install xchat in root (su) i face this error : replaced-url
• 66[00:22:41] <jelly> sadsagfjg: yeah, use hexchat
• 67[00:22:49] <jelly> ,v xchat
• 68[00:23:04] <sadsagfjg> why? I cant download?
• 69[00:23:27] <sadsagfjg> xchat
• 70[00:23:34] <jelly> it's not in Debian 9
• 71[00:23:44] <sadsagfjg> :(
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• 73[00:23:55] <jelly> hexchat fork is better maintained anyway
• 74[00:23:57] <RoyK> ,v irssi
• 75[00:24:18] <sadsagfjg> ok, now i download hexchat
• 76[00:24:19] <RoyK> I prefer irssi - some like weechat
• 77[00:24:37] <jelly> however you can't just copy the config from xchat as-is if you already have xchat configured to your liking
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• 79[00:24:54] <RoyK> both run in a terminal, which is nice if you hve screen or tmux session running - just connect when you want to chat
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• 81[00:25:44] <jelly> phew
• 82[00:25:53] <jelly> ,v xchat
• 83[00:25:54] <judd> Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.8.8-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3; stretch-backports: 2.8.8-15~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-15; sid: 2.8.8-15
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• 85[00:25:57] <sadsagfjg> ok, I didnt config my xchat
• 86[00:26:21] <jelly> you're better off with hexchat then, many things were fixed (and some new bugs added)
• 87[00:26:45] <sadsagfjg> jelly: ok, Thanks
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• 91[00:28:47] <Brigo> sadsagfjg, yes i am using hexchat just now and still alive :)
• 92[00:30:12] <sadsagfjg> Brigo: Nice :)
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• 94[00:32:06] <sadsagfjg> How i can choose my real name in irc? because when a person click in my whois can see my ip :|
• 95[00:32:30] <jelly> chainging the "real name" won't affect visibility of IP addreess
• 96[00:33:43] <sadsagfjg> So How i can unvisible this item? jelly
• 97[00:34:05] <jelly> you can ask network staff in #freenode for an unaffiliated cloak, this puts a symbolic name over your IP address but any OPs in the channel you're present in can still figure out the IP if they really want to
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• 99[00:34:57] <jelly> #freenode staff can at their own discretion delay issuing a cloak to really new accounts (like, created 15 minutes ago)
• 100[00:35:36] <jelly> on OFTC (irc.debian.org), you can get a cloak automatically from the NickServ bot I think
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• 102[00:36:53] <jelly> but in general you should not rely on that for security purposes. If you want to hide your source IP address, use Tor and connect to freenode's tor hidden service
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• 111[00:52:43] <g0zzy> Can grub-install (and os-prober) cope with probing OSs on both installed hard drives?
• 112[00:53:34] <jelly> os-prober is relevant, and yes, as long as all the drives have correct entries in /boot/grub/device.map
• 113[00:54:03] <g0zzy> I'll look thanks
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• 118[00:59:55] <g0zzy> Hmm. I hope i haven't done anything rash. I have a second drive (usually not) at the mo and what i'd like to do is boot either hard drive from a boot menu in a permanently inserted nano usb stick
• 119[01:00:48] <g0zzy> I've just tried grub-install to that usb stick with both hard drives in
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• 170[02:01:17] <cnnx> I'm having a hard time enabling a local user access on ftp
• 171[02:01:20] <cnnx> using xinetd
• 172[02:01:24] <cnnx> is there an easy way?
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• 174[02:02:58] <gunni> switch to sftp?
• 175[02:03:16] <cnnx> thats the default isnt it
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• 178[02:03:21] <cnnx> or is there another sftp package
• 179[02:03:26] <cnnx> sftp-server?
• 180[02:03:33] <gunni> it just works, it's built into the ssh daemon
• 181[02:03:40] <gunni> as far as i know
• 182[02:03:45] <cnnx> yeah but i messed with the ftp xinetd file
• 183[02:03:52] <cnnx> whats the default ftp file
• 184[02:03:57] <gunni> shouldn't have any effect on sftp
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• 186[02:04:13] <cnnx> right now it refuses all connections
• 187[02:04:16] <cnnx> sftp domain.tld
• 188[02:04:21] <cnnx> i mean ftp
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• 190[02:05:11] <gunni> i'm sorry, i know nothing about ftp, since sftp has completely replaced it for everything i used ftp for
• 191[02:05:48] <cnnx> the only reason is cause i'm trying to publish an app i wrote in visual studio 2017
• 192[02:05:51] <cnnx> to my deibna server
• 193[02:06:00] <cnnx> and it wont publish it and i suspect its trying to use anonymous ftp
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• 196[02:10:03] <abrotman> cnnx: it's clear text .. you could run nc -l on port 21 and see what it's trying to do
• 197[02:10:12] <abrotman> or look at your logs
• 198[02:10:32] <abrotman> what's the "ftp" string you put into your VS ?
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• 304[04:25:15] <rue_bed> on one machine I see netexpect, but its not there on another machine, is netexpect a current package or did it get rolled into something else?
• 305[04:25:29] <rue_bed> apt search netexpect
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• 310[04:26:02] <rue_bed> bot help
• 311[04:26:14] <rue_bed> abracadabra
• 312[04:26:16] <rue_bed> hmm
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• 427[05:09:33] <netcrash> jelly, I need samba for the AD part and connection the windows boxes? I'm failling to find docs on this that give a full picture
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• 430[05:11:42] <netcrash> jelly, I'm talking about sssd , I would like the database for the auth to be in Ldap
• 431[05:12:08] <netcrash> or a more open access storage database
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• 447[05:33:48] <Renari> Hm this looks fishy, replaced-url
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• 449[05:33:57] <Renari> The kernel is no longer required?
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• 464[06:06:33] <roger21> "PermitRootLogin yes"
• 465[06:06:38] <roger21> wut?
• 466[06:07:20] <roger21> whasn't that the big thing about security not to allow root pasword on ssh???
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• 478[06:25:09] <grobbulus> Hi guys I have a question. During the installation when GRUB is being installed theres a message saying that 'it seems my computer is configured to boot from EFI' and it asked me if i wanted to install grub in a fallback sector yadda yadda. I installed fine, but I'm curious to know if I did something for that to appear, as I had always used MBR, or if that depends on my hardware (for example I installed with a GPT table before)
• 479[06:26:23] <grobbulus> Also I had not seen that in previous Debian installs, but it was the first time I used the expert mode
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• 499[06:50:42] <grobbulus> I guess my question is: why is my BIOS configured to boot as EFI? did I do that somehow??
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• 514[07:04:08] <diogenes_> grobbulus, bcoz gpt
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• 525[07:20:07] <grobbulus> diogenes_ can i fix it ?
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• 528[07:22:43] <diogenes_> grobbulus, to re-install and create mbr partition setup
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• 532[07:29:28] <Li> I've a question on how to find which commands available within an installed package?
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• 535[07:39:07] <diogenes_> Li, <package name> --help
• 536[07:39:16] <diogenes_> ot man
• 537[07:40:31] <Li> thanks diogenes_ but both are not working e.g. with package name gridsite-clients
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• 539[07:40:59] <Li> an gridsite-clients
• 540[07:41:00] <Li> No manual entry for gridsite-clients
• 541[07:41:11] <Li> gridsite-clients --help
• 542[07:41:12] <Li> bash: gridsite-clients: command not found
• 543[07:41:38] <diogenes_> then google
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• 545[07:43:08] <Li> this is sound like designing and builing a helicopter without a user manual
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• 547[07:43:46] <Li> all effort to code linux and packages yet not a simple way to figure what inside those package without internet connection .. awsome
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• 552[07:50:19] <trewas> Li: dpkg -L packagename <-- that tells which files are inside the package, binaries which can be run are usually in /usr/bin
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• 554[07:53:39] <darxmurf> damn, I did not know that
• 555[07:53:41] <darxmurf> thanks :-)
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• 560[07:59:48] <AciD`> what's with kodi not being in buster? replaced-url
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• 571[08:09:46] <Li> thanks trewas .. that works
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• 608[08:44:02] <wrksx_> mornin
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• 650[09:28:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell AciD` about why kodi is not in testing
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• 653[09:29:15] <jelly> hm
• 654[09:29:30] <jelly> AciD`: that ought to point to replaced-url
• 655[09:29:54] <AciD`> jelly ⟹ I just used deb-multimedia
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• 661[09:34:50] <crackpotmark> !why not dmm
• 662[09:34:50] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
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• 667[09:38:48] <jelly> AciD`: it you're using testing, it's probably a more sane idea to do
• 668[09:38:50] <jelly> !tum
• 669[09:38:50] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
• 670[09:39:21] <themill> assuming kodi is working at all
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• 672[09:42:02] <jelly> that too
• 673[09:43:00] <AciD`> well, it cannot connect to my other servers via ssh, so, that's that.
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• 685[09:53:14] <rdz> how can i find out what has changed in most recent kernel?
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• 688[09:53:37] <rdz> why is releasing a new kernel in such a short time? is there some security issue?
• 689[09:54:03] <babilen> There have been security issues, yes
• 690[09:54:20] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 694[09:54:57] <crackpotmark> That's reminds me, is there a way to have apt-get automatically show me changelogs for the updates packages during an upgrade?
• 695[09:55:15] <crackpotmark> I seem to remember kali doing that
• 696[09:55:29] <rdz> babilen
• 697[09:55:35] <rdz> thanks
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• 699[09:57:01] <jelly> crackpotmark: install apt-listchanges
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• 701[09:57:54] <crackpotmark> Thanks
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• 708[10:05:32] <themill> and configure it to show changelogs not just NEWS items
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• 788[11:10:15] <dn> Are there any general logical reason to only allow loopback traffic to/from TCP and not UDP? I have a box that was configured by someone who's no longer around and I can't figure out why he only allowed TCP.
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• 906[12:52:59] <Kelsar> usually you allow evertyhing on lo
• 907[12:53:17] <Kelsar> on the other side, i guess udp is not often used on lo anyways
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• 933[13:14:09] <bellbreaker> I'm trying to install debian using software RAID 1 and the installer fails when trying to run grub-install with the message "grub-install dummy failed". I partioned my 2 drives to both have a 1 MB empty section at the start and used the rest of the drives for a raid 1 device which I further partioned using the guided partioning from partman. This creates a boot partition, / partition and swap. If I
• 934[13:14:15] <bellbreaker> enter the shell from the installer and chroot into /target, grub-install complains that it cannot find drives md0,1
• 935[13:14:29] <bellbreaker> The installation manual indicates that installing on software raid 1 should be automatically possible
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• 937[13:15:30] <bellbreaker> Does anyone know how I can do this properly?
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• 942[13:20:08] <jelly> bellbreaker: the conservative approach is: partition the drives identically; make a separate md raid1 device for each partition; put each filesystem and swap space onto each separate md device
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• 944[13:21:05] <jelly> and if you use md metadata format 0.9 for array that /boot will be present on, you will have a better choice of boot loader (if thesystem uses BIOS booting, you can even use lilo)
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• 947[13:23:35] <bellbreaker> Thank you I will try that
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• 961[13:34:16] <bellbreaker> jelly: I configured both drives to have an EFI system partition, root partition and swap space, created raid devices for each of those partitions and attempted to install again. No dice, same error message
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• 965[13:34:50] <bellbreaker> I will try to create a separate /boot partition now
• 966[13:34:52] <jelly> I have no idea what the best way to do things is if you're booting UEFI and have GPT
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• 979[13:43:20] <eschmidbauer> hi
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• 981[13:43:47] <eschmidbauer> so htop is showing 1.37G of ram being used, but i have a mem tool that shows processes are only using a total of 622M
• 982[13:43:56] <eschmidbauer> how the freak is that possible?
• 983[13:44:15] <eschmidbauer> using ps_mem (pip install ps-mem)
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• 986[13:44:41] <eschmidbauer> it's almost as if some mem leak inside debian??
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• 989[13:47:45] <ksk> eschmidbauer: ram is not just "used", there are different stages so to say.
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• 991[13:48:17] <ksk> if you want a look at "how is my ram" so to say Id recommend the 'free -m' command
• 992[13:48:27] <ksk> !tell eschmidbauer about linux ate my ram
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• 994[13:48:33] <ksk> also take a look at what the bot wrote you
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• 996[13:49:02] <eschmidbauer> i didn't get anything from the bot
• 997[13:49:26] <ksk> !tell eschmidbauer about free ram
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• 999[13:49:55] <eschmidbauer> but that is what is confusing me... if linux is caching stuff i have no idea what
• 1000[13:50:19] <eschmidbauer> and that' seems like a huge about of cache
• 1001[13:50:55] <darxmurf> replaced-url
• 1002[13:50:56] <darxmurf> :D
• 1003[13:51:04] <ksk> yeah, that one! read it please :)
• 1004[13:51:41] <ksk> linux does cache everything it reads from disk to start with - and will only drop these caches if any program actually needs the ram (simplified)
• 1005[13:51:54] <eschmidbauer> alrighty...i'll just go with that... although, we've got 7 other nodes almost identical to this system and they aren't using that much ram
• 1006[13:52:03] <eschmidbauer> got it
• 1007[13:52:14] <eschmidbauer> i'll keep an eye on only the process ram then
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• 1010[13:52:50] <eschmidbauer> is there anyway to see how much ram is being used by linux for caching?
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• 1012[13:53:29] <ksk> the cache line of 'free' output.
• 1013[13:54:51] <eschmidbauer> total used free shared buff/cache available
• 1014[13:54:51] <eschmidbauer> Mem: 7986 1443 4940 267 1602 5989
• 1015[13:55:02] <ksk> just because a system is using ram there is nothing wrong with it. in fact it is doing well. Maybe this node was the only one actually serving any load and thus read something from disk?
• 1016[13:55:05] <eschmidbauer> so the cache is using 1.6 G ??
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• 1019[13:55:22] <ksk> if thats a "free -m" output, then yes.
• 1020[13:55:27] <eschmidbauer> it is
• 1021[13:55:33] <eschmidbauer> the only thing diff about this node is, we recently restarted a process
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• 1023[13:56:11] <ksk> there is nothing wrong with it. Im gonna stop repeating myself now.
• 1024[13:56:21] <eschmidbauer> this node has far less volume than others ... and ok, i understand.
• 1025[13:56:29] <eschmidbauer> thanks for the info
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• 1028[13:57:36] <eschmidbauer> it's making our metric chart look like something is wrong :)
• 1029[13:57:52] <eschmidbauer> but maybe it's the only one actually working the way it should
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• 1038[14:08:22] <anoob> I have a JBL Xtreme Bluetooth speaker and it's not working with my Debian Testing installation. I can't find it when I do the pairing. It does works with Windows 10 (same laptop) and my Android phone: pqn.pw/360
• 1039[14:08:42] <anoob> replaced-url
• 1040[14:09:28] <bgardner> Hey all, I have a simple router running Debian 9.5 that started getting bloated logs. I investigated and I'm seeing a repeating block of messages in kern.log that look to me like the root USB hub being disconnected/reconnected every 5 minutes or so.
• 1041[14:09:32] <bgardner> replaced-url
• 1042[14:10:26] <bgardner> This is literally a router only. Any thoughts?
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• 1046[14:11:21] <jelly> bgardner: get rid of that usb hub?
• 1047[14:11:50] <bgardner> jelly: There isn't one - it seems to be referring to the onboard USB hardware.
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• 1049[14:14:49] <bgardner> To be clear: this is a headless router and has nothing at all plugged into it but power and networking cords.
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• 1051[14:16:30] <ksk> bgardner: is there a remote managment card present? they do things
• 1052[14:16:50] <ksk> like, registering a keyboard and sometimes storage devices for your mounted via browser iso
• 1053[14:17:12] <ksk> if its like flooding the logs something might be broken.
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• 1055[14:17:23] <ksk> did you look up vendor ID and that driver already?
• 1056[14:18:59] <bgardner> ksk: No remote management card, it's role is router but it's an off-the-shelf consumer grade PC. No enterprise stuff in it. Here's 'lsusb' output: replaced-url
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• 1060[14:20:56] <jelly> bgardner: if it's a PC, ypou can disable USB in BIOS
• 1061[14:21:34] <bgardner> And I'm a liar, sorry - there is one USB device plugged into it; it has a GPS module for providing stratum 1 time to NTP.
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• 1064[14:22:41] <bgardner> jelly: Hmm. Not sure how I would do that. Since it only has USB, I'd need to connect up a USB keyboard and then wouldn't I be "locking the key in the safe"?
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• 1067[14:22:54] <bgardner> No PS2 or other keyboard options.
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• 1069[14:23:42] <bgardner> Let me go unplug that GPS just to rule it out, back in a minute.
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• 1071[14:25:47] <bgardner> That's done, let me monitor for a few minutes and I'll report back.
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• 1087[14:48:01] <petn-randall> Hi, for some reason thunderbird is not showing any replied mails as "replied" (if I open the mail status), and also the column is missing that should show the replied/forwarded status. Does anyone know how to get that back?
• 1088[14:49:00] <petn-randall> I noticed that k9mail from Android still correctly marks the mail as "replied". It's just Thunderbird from stable that doesn't.
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• 1090[14:50:29] <jelly> pop3 or imap?
• 1091[14:51:07] <petn-randall> IMAP.
• 1092[14:52:14] <petn-randall> I know see it's not a separate column, it's just always shown left of the subject line. So at least I don't have to look for a missing column. But the problem that thunderbird does not flag the mail as replied still persists.
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• 1094[14:52:49] <petn-randall> jelly: Are you using TB? Maybe you can check if you also have the issue.
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• 1096[14:54:14] <jelly> I don't use it, just have it installed
• 1097[14:54:39] <petn-randall> Any other Thunderbird users around by chance?
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• 1102[15:00:39] <colo-work> petn-randall, works for me, across User Agents
• 1103[15:00:46] <colo-work> (roundcube, thunderbird)
• 1104[15:00:51] <colo-work> (dovecot is the imapd)
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• 1106[15:01:45] <petn-randall> colo-work: Same here: dovecot + thunderbird from stable.
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• 1109[15:02:50] <colo-work> petn-randall, dovecot is from oldstable here though
• 1110[15:03:00] <petn-randall> It might be something broken on my side
• 1111[15:03:12] <petn-randall> also oldstable dovecot here ;)
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• 1118[15:08:33] <phizzy_> Why is GNOME being as slow as a snail, I have a 8thread i7 for this stuff. I am using an using latest version in Gentoo and have SMP and PREEMPT 1000HZ enabled! :P
• 1119[15:08:42] <greycat> graphics drivers/firmware?
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• 1122[15:10:52] <colo-work> maybe you forgot -fomg-optimize in make.conf/CFLAGS?
• 1123[15:11:00] <colo-work> (this is the Debian channel, btw)
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• 1127[15:14:28] <Mr-Potter> Hello do you have your own ric servers?
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• 1130[15:15:44] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: There's not much benefit from running your own IRC server.
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• 1132[15:15:59] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: You always need to administer stuff like that, which is a PITA if done right.
• 1133[15:16:04] <Mr-Potter> true
• 1134[15:16:17] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: I mean do debian have their own irc servers?
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• 1137[15:16:27] <greycat> No. They use OFTC and Freenode.
• 1138[15:16:34] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: No, irc.debian.org just forwards to OFTC.
• 1139[15:16:40] <bgardner> Hey all; follow-up on my bus resetting/log file bloat thing from earlier - removing the GPS module seems to have fixed it, thanks for the help
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• 1141[15:16:54] <Mr-Potter> what is oftc?
• 1142[15:17:06] <greycat> !oftc
• 1143[15:17:07] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 1145[15:17:22] <greycat> All of the Debian channels except this one and #debian-offtopic are on the OFTC network.
• 1146[15:17:35] <greycat> (and maybe some non-English general ones)
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• 1166[15:31:22] <tw> is there an option for ss that does something like netstat -g?
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• 1171[15:32:26] <tw> (which shows multicast group memberships)
• 1172[15:32:30] <colo-work> tw, "Replacement for netstat -g is ip maddr."
• 1173[15:32:43] <tw> perfect, thanks
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• 1217[16:12:22] <memo1> hi friends, the best way to share files with other machines (linux or windows) is nfs or samba?
• 1218[16:12:59] <greycat> If there are windows clients, *definitely* samba. If there are linux clients, then you can also use NFS.
• 1219[16:13:10] <FinalX> windows also supports nfs btw
• 1220[16:13:13] <greycat> They are not mutually exclusive. Use both.
• 1221[16:13:20] <greycat> FinalX: *hahaha*
• 1222[16:13:24] <greycat> On paper, maybe.
• 1223[16:13:36] <FinalX> not saying it works properly, just saying that officially they support it :)
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• 1228[16:16:08] <ardualabs> Yeah, it's probably easier to get Linux doing Samba than windows doing NFS.
• 1229[16:16:38] <ardualabs> Or, sftp if you're feeling up to it and it's a one shot deal.
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• 1232[16:16:54] <ardualabs> (windows as client, in that case)
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• 1234[16:18:47] <mvaenskae> if you don't need 'special' features of nfs (e.g. network booting) then samba should allow for more possible clients i would think and also be more performant (that is what my research showed around a year ago)
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• 1239[16:19:44] <jhutchins_wk> mvaenskae: All of the large scale *nix environments I know of use NFS rather than samba. I think your research may be off by a few decimal places.
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• 1241[16:20:26] <ardualabs> In a purely *nix environment, sure.
• 1242[16:21:08] <greycat> Yes, you definitely use NFS to share with other linux/unix clients, but Samba for windows clients.
• 1243[16:21:13] <mvaenskae> jhutchins_wk: in terms of performance it still did miles better than what nfs offered for throughput
• 1244[16:21:57] <ardualabs> I'm guessing this all isn't really Debian specific tho.
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• 1252[16:25:02] <jhutchins_wk> ardualabs: Certainly in a mixed environment we'd run samba where required. I don't know of anybody using NFS on Windows, samba's just too easy.
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• 1255[16:26:04] <jhutchins_wk> mvaenskae: I'm going to venture that you may have had configuration issues with your NFS then.
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• 1257[16:26:21] <FinalX> one does not exclude the other, either
• 1258[16:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> Then again, I've worked in environments where the overhead from LVM was enough to take down a system.
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• 1272[16:33:30] <memo1> ardualabs: jhutchins_wk thank you.
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• 1275[16:36:55] <greenit> hi, i have an optimus-setup and installed/configured bumblebee. I track unstable, so not sure if that's the right channel here. I've updated my system yesterday after about 6 months and now bumblebee isn't working correctly. for example if i run "optirun glxgears -info" it opens the window, but there's only a black screen until i resize it. with every fullscreen-application it stays black but i see the cursor... do you have any tips where I
• 1276[16:36:55] <greenit> should start looking for the problem?
• 1277[16:37:15] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1278[16:37:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1280[16:37:26] <greenit> oh... i've overread the debian-next in the channel-info, sorry :S
• 1281[16:37:29] <takitez> hi, just a question about debian stable. stable means usually there will be no (major) version-updates of a package in the stable-tree of the repo. but if theres upstream a security patch which cannot be applied to an older version, will there be an exception and a package in a newer version will be released (if it won't break any dependencies)?
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• 1283[16:38:05] <greycat> Depends on the package. Sometimes, yes, a stable security update gets a version bump and breaks old configs. Samba *cough*.
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• 1285[16:38:17] <greycat> *cough* bind9
• 1286[16:38:48] <greycat> They do try to keep that to an absolute minimum, though.
• 1287[16:39:00] <takitez> greycat: do you have by chance any example of those package-versions for me, when that happened?
• 1288[16:39:03] <ychaouche> hello #debian. Is apache2 a requirement to install php7.0 even if I intend to use it with nginx ? replaced-url
• 1289[16:39:31] <greycat> !jessie samba
• 1290[16:39:31] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
• 1291[16:39:32] <FinalX> it's not, but you should be installing php7.0-fpm instead of just php7.0
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• 1293[16:39:50] <takitez> greycat: thank you sir
• 1294[16:39:57] <FinalX> ychaouche: ^
• 1295[16:40:08] <greycat> Agreed, for nginx you use php-fpm.
• 1296[16:40:12] <ychaouche> FinalX, thanks for the tip
• 1297[16:40:17] <ychaouche> appreciated.
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• 1381[17:35:30] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
• 1382[17:35:31] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3
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• 1436[18:12:20] <Scriptonaut> anyone know how I can list my private ssh key from the command line? I'm working on a server, and I forwarded my ssh keys using ssh-agent and ssh-add. I can list my public key with: ssh-add -L. However I am writing some code that needs the private key as well to make the keypair. Anyone know of a command that will print/show/echo my id_rsa file?
• 1437[18:13:52] <jelly> Scriptonaut: you can't see private keys from the remote forwarded agent.
• 1438[18:14:00] <jelly> that would defeat the purpose
• 1439[18:14:23] <jelly> you can use them, not see the actual key
• 1440[18:14:58] <jelly> at least that's my understanding
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• 1452[18:20:29] <Janni> Hi there. I want to write a little script execute some command with some environment variables supplied to it. I'm trying things like: exec env MYVAR=x $@.
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• 1454[18:20:55] <Janni> I then want to call for instance: ./myenv 'echo $MYVAR'
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• 1458[18:21:03] <Janni> That should print x.
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• 1463[18:22:36] <Janni> Changed my mind. I'm fine with: env MYVAR=x bash
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• 1465[18:22:51] <Janni> Then I can enter my commands in the subshell.
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• 1468[18:23:50] <jelly> Janni: if you have a script why use a subshell at all. Just export MYVAR=x and continue in the same shell
• 1469[18:24:06] <Shadow_7> Hmmm... #debian-next is invite now?
• 1470[18:24:13] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1471[18:24:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1474[18:24:24] <jelly> different network, Shadow_7
• 1475[18:25:30] <Shadow_7> arg... just trying to figure out the h.264 stuff for firefox. I did a fresh install and now it doesn't work. Changing the use.black-decoder to true makes it fake work. About the only thing that seems to make a dent.
• 1476[18:26:31] <Shadow_7> It works fine on the OLD install, same debian testing.
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• 1478[18:27:12] <Shadow_7> stupid amdgpu drivers make stable unusable for me (and still be able to game)
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• 1481[18:28:15] <Shadow_7> oddly it'll play the toystory h.264 video, just not register for other sites or show up on youtube.com/html5
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• 1487[18:29:44] <Scriptonaut> jelly: ah ok
• 1488[18:30:11] <Scriptonaut> darn, I'm not sure how to programmatically verify my key without the actual private key
• 1489[18:31:26] <arka500> how do you set a local domain to your computer?
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• 1492[18:31:46] <Scriptonaut> arka500: /etc/hosts
• 1493[18:32:02] <arka500> yep but what do one have to add there?
• 1494[18:32:25] <Scriptonaut> ip_address domain_name
• 1495[18:32:41] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: That's not how you set the domain.
• 1496[18:32:43] <Scriptonaut> I mean that'll only be on taht compuater though
• 1497[18:32:59] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: what exactly is he wanting to do?
• 1498[18:33:05] <petn-randall> arka500: 'man resolv.conf'
• 1499[18:33:10] <arka500> I mean in local network
• 1500[18:33:20] <Scriptonaut> ah, ya you'll need to make a change in your local dns
• 1501[18:33:24] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: To set the domain for the local system.
• 1502[18:33:27] <arka500> replaced-url
• 1503[18:33:36] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: Stop giving advice if you don't understand the issue.
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• 1505[18:33:47] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: I do understand
• 1506[18:33:57] <Scriptonaut> at first I thought he was just talking about hostnames
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• 1508[18:35:12] <petn-randall> arka500: Maybe one step back. What do you want to do then?
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• 1511[18:35:53] <arka500> basically I have a web server running in a computer
• 1512[18:36:06] <arka500> and I would like to access it with a domain name
• 1513[18:36:37] <arka500> also maybe I should also set up a static ip as it keeps changing
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• 1515[18:36:59] <arka500> all of this is a local network
• 1516[18:37:10] <petn-randall> arka500: In that case Scriptonaut was correct with setting it in /etc/hosts. You can map arbitrary domain names to IP addresses there.
• 1517[18:37:41] <petn-randall> arka500: That domain will only work on that machine, though. Is that what you want?
• 1518[18:37:52] <arka500> petn-randall no
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• 1520[18:38:04] <arka500> I mean in local network, from other devices as well
• 1521[18:38:37] <arka500> its a server, I would like to connect to it via an easier domain name instead of its local ip every time
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• 1525[18:39:34] <petn-randall> arka500: That's something you configure on your DNS.
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• 1527[18:39:47] <arka500> currently I am connecting to it via 192.168* IPs
• 1528[18:40:27] <arka500> so do I have to set a static IP first then?
• 1529[18:40:37] <arka500> as it keeps changing
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• 1533[18:44:23] <petn-randall> arka500: That first, yes. Then you set a DNS entry.
• 1534[18:44:53] <arka500> petn-randall do I have to set that in my router?
• 1535[18:45:30] <greycat> if your router is also your DHCP server, yes
• 1536[18:45:40] <arka500> sorry, I am new :(
• 1537[18:46:57] <arka500> how to set a static local IP then?
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• 1539[18:47:22] <petn-randall> arka500: That won't get you far. You need to set it in your router.
• 1540[18:48:11] <greycat> If your home network is all configured from one router, with no separate servers, then the router is very likely also your DHCP server. So that's where you would do everything.
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• 1544[18:51:23] <arka500> so it is not possible to set a system's local ip to lets say 192.168.1.150 or something from itself?
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• 1548[18:51:55] <greycat> Yes, you can do that. But if the router is ALSO configured to assign addresses in that range, then you could end up with two systems both having that IP, which would make them not work.
• 1549[18:52:06] <petn-randall> arka500: Sure. But then your network would stop working if you connect it to another network.
• 1550[18:52:20] <petn-randall> *the networking on your computer
• 1551[18:52:26] <arka500> greycat the router is not really using that IP
• 1552[18:52:30] <greycat> So, either you have to restrict the range of addresses that the router/DHCP server is giving out, and then manually assign addresses outside of its range; or configure the DHCP server to hand out this address to this MAC.
• 1553[18:52:41] <arka500> and I doubt it will ever have enough users to actually use that one
• 1554[18:52:52] <petn-randall> arka500: What is stopping you from configuring it on your router? We already gave you good reasons to do it that way.
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• 1556[18:53:35] <arka500> basically so that the computer can be portable and I can bring it in any network and it will have the same static IP
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• 1558[18:54:00] <greycat> Then it will fail on all the other networks that don't use your same network addressing.
• 1559[18:54:05] <petn-randall> this ^
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• 1561[18:54:19] <arka500> hmm ok
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• 1564[18:54:44] <petn-randall> And it would also not work on other networks because it will be a different DNS server.
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• 1567[18:56:24] <arka500> Thanks, I will try to do it from the router.
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• 1601[19:17:37] <Shadow_7> turns out I just needed libavcodec57 installed (libavcodec58 is current)
• 1602[19:17:49] <greycat> ,v libavcodec57
• 1603[19:17:50] <judd> Package: libavcodec57 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:3.4.3-1; sid: 7:3.4.3-1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.7-dmo1+deb9u1
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• 1613[19:29:15] <BoBeR182> .v mlmmj
• 1614[19:29:19] <BoBeR182> .bugs mlmmj
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• 1617[19:29:37] <annadane> it's ,v first of all, second, you should /msg judd so as not to spam the channel
• 1618[19:29:38] <greycat> judd's key character is comma, not period
• 1619[19:29:48] <annadane> also for bugs, there's nothing for that, you need to check the BTS
• 1620[19:29:51] <BoBeR182> oh my bad
• 1621[19:30:00] <BoBeR182> ,v mlmmj
• 1622[19:30:01] <judd> Package: mlmmj on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.18.0-2; jessie: 1.2.18.1-1+b1; stretch: 1.2.19.0-1; sid: 1.3.0-2
• 1623[19:30:10] <BoBeR182> I knew it wasn't in buster
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• 1625[19:30:19] <greycat> !why isn't mlmmj in testing
• 1626[19:30:19] <dpkg> mlmmj is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 1633[19:32:37] <BoBeR182> wow that's a good bot
• 1634[19:33:04] <greycat> !literal cmd: why isn't (.*?) in testing
• 1635[19:33:04] <dpkg> "cmd: why isn't (.*?) in testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 1637[19:33:19] <BoBeR182> replaced-url
• 1638[19:33:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1639[19:33:26] <BoBeR182> seems their is no maintainer email
• 1640[19:33:31] <BoBeR182> but no one responded to the warning
• 1641[19:33:43] <BoBeR182> so I don't even know how to fix this bug if I wanted to
• 1642[19:33:48] <BoBeR182> how does one become a maintainer
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• 1644[19:33:52] <greycat> makes you wonder whether it's being maintained at all
• 1645[19:33:59] <BoBeR182> or atleast update the maintainer email to the new mailing list
• 1646[19:34:10] <BoBeR182> theirs a new release in sid
• 1647[19:34:39] <greycat> Well, if it has a maintainer, surely a "severity: serious" bug should be on their radar.
• 1648[19:34:58] <annadane> that's kinda another reason to use stable, you know the packages there should all be maintained and ditched if they're not
• 1649[19:35:05] <annadane> testing/sid, anyone can just upload stuff
• 1650[19:35:19] <annadane> well "anyone"
• 1651[19:35:21] <greycat> Not... exactly.
• 1652[19:35:29] <BoBeR182> the catch is that the bug is there is no maintainer email
• 1653[19:35:34] <BoBeR182> since the mailing list went down
• 1654[19:35:36] <greycat> Sid, any debian developer can upload stuff, but testing has a bot curator.
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• 1657[19:35:45] <annadane> right, sorry
• 1658[19:35:59] <BoBeR182> Could someone like me update the maintainer email to the new mailing list
• 1659[19:36:05] <BoBeR182> and then package the new release
• 1660[19:36:05] <greycat> *sigh*
• 1661[19:36:08] <BoBeR182> to get it into buster?
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• 1663[19:36:20] <greycat> Why do you believe that there *IS* one?
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• 1665[19:37:13] <greycat> If there is a new mailing list for this project, what you can do as a user is to respond to the existing bug report with the information about the new mailing list.
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• 1667[19:37:26] <greycat> Politeness is advised.
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• 1669[19:37:31] <BoBeR182> ah okay
• 1670[19:37:33] <annadane> also disingenuous to imply things can be uploaded to testing
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• 1673[19:37:59] <BoBeR182> replaced-url
• 1674[19:38:18] <greycat> A *debian* mailing list, since it's the *debian* maintainer (list) that has vanished.
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• 1676[19:38:31] <BoBeR182> oh
• 1677[19:38:37] <BoBeR182> there is no new one
• 1678[19:38:46] <BoBeR182> wait
• 1679[19:38:56] <BoBeR182> we can have lists as a debian maintainer
• 1680[19:39:08] <greycat> Most of the large packages are done that way.
• 1681[19:39:18] <BoBeR182> doesn't that create this silly catch22 of no one taking ownership
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• 1683[19:39:39] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -s xserver-xorg | grep Maint
• 1684[19:39:39] <greycat> Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org>
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• 1689[19:40:27] <greycat> Almost all of the day-to-day business of Debian is built on mailing lists.
• 1690[19:40:30] <jelly> BoBeR182: honestly, try asking in #debian-bugs or #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net
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• 1692[19:40:36] <jelly> alioth is dead
• 1693[19:40:46] <jelly> even I know that much
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• 1695[19:40:56] <BoBeR182> ah, thank you
• 1696[19:41:01] <BoBeR182> I'll join OFTC
• 1697[19:41:08] <BoBeR182> they still support tor connection correct?
• 1698[19:41:29] <jelly> yeah, but many channels block those connections, hope you have a nickserv user
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• 1790[20:51:11] <ksk> can I utilize this package bot for my personal use? whats its name again?
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• 1792[20:51:22] <greycat> !udd
• 1793[20:51:22] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. replaced-url
• 1794[20:51:27] <ksk> ,version screen
• 1795[20:51:28] <judd> Package: screen on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7+deb7u1; jessie: 4.2.1-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.2.1-3+deb8u1; stretch: 4.5.0-6; buster: 4.6.2-3; sid: 4.6.2-3
• 1796[20:51:39] <greycat> judd is one of the interfaces to the UDD
• 1797[20:51:55] <ksk> I can query judd, thanks.
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• 1799[20:52:21] <ksk> and lol, udd sounds interesting.
• 1800[20:52:45] <ksk> does it have the manpages of every package in it?
• 1801[20:53:12] <greycat> there's replaced-url
• 1802[20:53:20] <jelly> it has no manpages at all
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• 1804[20:53:51] <ksk> thanks again, did not know that service either.
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• 1810[20:59:58] <jhutchins_wk> You can find manpages on the web pretty easily, the problem is syncing the version of the manpage with the version of the package on your system.
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• 1813[21:00:26] <greycat> you can type "man"
• 1814[21:01:01] <ksk> only if you installed the corresponding package, but I found on manpages.debian.org:
• 1815[21:01:10] <ksk> "In the debian-goodies package, since version 0.70 (buster and later), there is a dman command which fetches pages from this site dynamically"
• 1816[21:01:31] <ksk> I will check that one out.
• 1817[21:01:41] <greycat> ... so you actually meant "the version of the package that is NOT on your system"?
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• 1823[21:04:57] <jelly> ovaj OCSP je vise stete nego koristi
• 1824[21:04:58] <ksk> I did not really state anything, it was more like an evolution. Id prefer reading manpages on the commandline, instead of having to google.
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• 1826[21:05:04] <jelly> whoops, ECHAN
• 1827[21:05:32] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Actually, I was thinking about systems where the manpages don't get installed. I've worked on servers where that was the policy.
• 1828[21:05:43] <greycat> well, you talked about reading the man page for "the version of the package on your system", and you can use man for that.
• 1829[21:05:54] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: fix them. Jesus.
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• 1831[21:06:01] <greycat> what kind of an idiot did that
• 1832[21:06:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Somebody who believes in security through obscurity, and is cheap about disk space.
• 1833[21:06:24] <jelly> a politician
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• 1835[21:06:57] <greycat> By the time they get to the shell, the lack of a man page is not going to slow them down.
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• 1837[21:07:21] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, I didn't mean to imply that it it was a reasonable situation, but it happens.
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• 1859[21:23:14] <JordiGH> How do I unstick it?
• 1860[21:24:11] <greycat> if you just mean the appearance, try moving it into a different window, or out of a window to the empty root window
• 1861[21:24:33] <JordiGH> It looks like this in all windows.
• 1862[21:24:50] <JordiGH> I'm not sure I can get to the root window with the gnome desktop in the way, let me se...
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