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3 [00:00:51] <jasabella> seems like getpwd() call is failing, PWD is not being set
4 [00:01:00] <jasabella> getcwd()
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19 [00:14:04] <michael2> does anyone know why debian minimal (netinstall) starts a ssh-agent emulating socket in /run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent.ssh ?
20 [00:14:27] <michael2> how do you use this?
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26 [00:22:29] <jasabella> petn-randall… looks like there's a bug: replaced-url
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63 [01:11:49] <michael2> does anyone know if there is any documentation on how debian installer sets up gpupg? e.g. gnupg seems to be loaded in part by the installer, but not completely until you start X? is there any documentation on how this is setup?
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74 [01:23:55] <metreo> I'd like to contribute to DEbian where is the best place to start?
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76 [01:25:05] <mefistofeles> metreo: replaced-url
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78 [01:25:23] <metreo> oh that's nice
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131 [02:16:09] <Gigglebyte> Does anyone have a recommendatioin for a tool that would allow me to take the contents of a .png graphic file and insert it into the clipboard?
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134 [02:18:22] <Gigglebyte> I am looking for a shortcut tool instead of using the command line. I tried using the Ctrl C feature associated with the menu configuration tool in xfce, but it won't insert the png into the clipboard.
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142 [02:32:51] <Gigglebyte> There seems to be a problem copying the graphic.
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154 [02:47:13] <coolchris> cool im configuring debian on wsl
155 [02:48:27] <dvs> at least it isn't the wsj!
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160 [02:55:48] <Gigglebyte> Has anyone used gpaste? How to I invoke its commands? Doesn't seem to respond to Ctrl C
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165 [03:09:23] <aloo_shu> Gigglebyte: with some luck, you find documentation by either a) typing man gpaste in a terminal, or b) looking in /usr/share/docs/gpaste/
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167 [03:12:40] <Gigglebyte> I am not sure gpaste is going to do what I am looking for. I was hoping to find something that would allow me to Ctrl C and Ctrl V for copying and pasting. I am currently using the gnome screen shot tool which has a clipboard option.
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172 [03:16:50] <michael2> does debian have any docs on sending emails from cron jobs?
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176 [03:20:04] <themill> michael2: what documentation do you need? cron sends to the already configured MTA on the machine
177 [03:20:24] <michael2> themill: an introductory doc
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179 [03:21:27] <themill> There's nothing really to introduce -- what are you stuck on? what have you already done?
180 [03:21:42] <michael2> themill: e.g. that answers all the basic questions, how does cron send ? which local user does it send as? how do you configure alias rewrites? troubleshooting when things go wrong etc...
181 [03:22:03] <themill> all those things are the MTA's responsibility not cron's
182 [03:22:46] <themill> The only thing cron does is (optionally) select who gets mailed from a crontab; that's the MAILTO variable in crontab(5).
183 [03:22:56] <michael2> themill: my question is: "how is the MTA invoked by cron"
184 [03:23:25] <themill> same way any process calls the local MTA -- it runs sendmail
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187 [03:24:05] <michael2> right, but cron sends argument to send mail when it calls it
188 [03:24:21] <michael2> so cron will run something equivalent to:
189 [03:25:35] <michael2> echo "Subject: ... \ndisk almost full" | /usr/sbin/sendmail -u root -iab admin
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192 [03:29:20] <themill> I think you're assuming it is much more sophisticated than it is
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194 [03:30:39] <themill> (it doesn't need to set the sending user, it does need to be compatible with every MTA out there and so doesn't use uncommon options)
195 [03:30:50] <michael2> ok, but I need that info to be able to manage - I can write a wrapper - but I would have thought debian would have docs on cron at least
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197 [03:32:32] <rwp> michael2, 'man cron', 'man crontab', 'man 5 crontab' ??
198 [03:33:12] <themill> michael2: there are excellent docs for cron but there isn't documentation for things that don't exist. What are you *really* trying to achieve here.
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201 [03:34:19] <michael2> rwp: thanks `man cron' has a sentence about the MAILTO: - but not really how to use
202 [03:34:23] <michael2> it
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204 [03:35:19] <michael2> themill: Im trying to setup general email capabilities on a machine - in a way that is reliable
205 [03:35:34] <themill> what does cron have to do with general email capabilities?
206 [03:35:55] <michael2> cron will be a user of that email capability
207 [03:36:11] <michael2> so Im trying to link it all together
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209 [03:36:27] <themill> it's the MTA's job to do anything fancy, not cron's
210 [03:37:41] <rwp> Any output from cron will be mailed to the user. That's all that it is doing. Nothing fancy.
211 [03:37:52] <themill> there's nothing to do then
212 [03:38:11] <rwp> Back in the day that was enough. But in today's world where only us old-school folks have local email addresses. The new kids all use Gmail and the like.
213 [03:38:20] <rwp> And the system may not have a working MTA even installed.
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215 [03:38:37] <michael2> say there is no email capability on the system - what happens when a cron outputs to stdout? it goes into user specific mailbox doesnt it?
216 [03:38:48] <rwp> Therefore worst case, install postfix, configure it for local delivery only, and look the result in /var/mail/$(whomami). I suggest 'mutt' as the best mailer.
217 [03:38:55] <themill> ,i dma
218 [03:38:56] <judd> Package dma (mail, optional) in stretch/amd64: lightweight mail transport agent. Version: 0.11-1+b1; Size: 49.8k; Installed: 148k; Homepage: replaced-url
219 [03:39:26] <michael2> right /var/mail/user... isn't that where messages go?
220 [03:39:27] <themill> michael2: if /usr/sbin/sendmail doesn't exist, cron just shrugs its shoulders and keeps going
221 [03:39:34] <rwp> If there is no MTA then I imagine that cron's output would be lost. Discarded. I would guess. With an error message to the syslog.
222 [03:39:58] <themill> cron recommends mail-transport-agent for a reason
223 [03:40:46] <themill> it can be something trivial like nullmailer or dma etc, but it relies on something else to deliver that mail
224 [03:41:18] <michael2> so if a cron job outputs something and there is no sendmail available its just goes nowhere?
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229 [03:48:07] <rwp> Likely it goes nowhere. Because where would it go?
230 [03:48:26] <rwp> There is no magic. There is code. If there is no code there it can't magically do something there is no code to do.
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232 [03:49:02] <rwp> If one wants mail to be sent then one needs to install something that will transport mail.
233 [03:49:31] <rwp> Conversely there are people who do not want mail sent and will intentionally avoid installing a mail transport
234 [03:49:41] <rwp> agent. Installing one by default prevents them from doing that they want.
235 [03:49:43] <michael2> so what would send those messages into /var/spool|mail then?
236 [03:49:57] <themill> an MTA that delivers to /var/mail/
237 [03:50:06] <rwp> The mail transport agent (MTA) such as postfix delivers mail to /var/mail/$USER.
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240 [03:51:47] <michael2> that happens when the email is addressed with an email like "tonytheadmin" - and not a qualified email like "tonytheadmin@foomail.com" - is that right?
241 [03:52:23] <michael2> which I think is what cron does - it sets ancient UNIX email addresses
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243 [03:53:25] <michael2> so - if cron is configured to send an email - cron will call /usr/sbin/sendmail -F root tonytheadmin plus some options?
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246 [03:56:57] <themill> that's up to the MTA to deal with
247 [03:57:31] <michael2> or does cron try to email by default?
248 [03:57:33] <themill> if you want to have cron send to a specific email address, set that using MAILTO as documented.
249 [03:57:40] <michael2> yes I think thats it - the MI
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251 [03:57:58] <michael2> the MAILTO var only determines who cron will try send it to
252 [03:58:05] <themill> cron just gives whatever you specify to the MTA
253 [03:58:16] <themill> yes
254 [03:59:16] <michael2> hmm, how can I test this?
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256 [03:59:57] <michael2> I can put a wrapper script in /usr/sbin/sendmail
257 [04:00:18] <michael2> setup a test cron job and make it out put something
258 [04:00:31] <themill> what needs testing?
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261 [04:01:28] <michael2> im "trust - but verifying".. hehe
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308 [04:59:05] <kerneldark> rant: gpart find 4 partition all with size 0mb c h s all 0 too, if I did dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb, the harddisk sdb, now have all partition table history from sda ?
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359 [06:02:25] <pongpong_> nyc to see you
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361 [06:02:32] <gkgk1> sure
362 [06:02:47] <pongpong_> anyone here
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406 [07:05:23] <darxmurf> yep
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413 [07:15:04] <mzf> the verion of column command installed in debian is different from what is in here: replaced-url
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415 [07:15:16] <mzf> where can i find that version?
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418 [07:17:00] <jelly> mzf: in very latest util-linux source probably
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424 [07:22:20] <mzf> jelly: the debian version of column comes from "bsdmainutils" package and not "util-linux"
425 [07:22:54] <mzf> jelly: seens that in debian the util-linux does not have any column in it?
426 [07:23:01] <jelly> that is right, and that's why you want to look at and build it from source
427 [07:23:27] <mzf> thanks
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445 [07:39:11] <gkgk> test
446 [07:39:15] <alpsgtoop> hiii
447 [07:39:17] <alpsgtoop> hello
448 [07:39:21] <gkgk> hello
449 [07:39:26] <alpsgtoop> you join there
450 [07:39:30] <alpsgtoop> ??
451 [07:40:15] <alpsgtoop> hello ash ?????????
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457 [07:42:57] <alpsgtoop> hello ashhh?
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460 [07:45:00] <gkgk1> hi
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469 [07:53:33] <jelly> alpsgtoop: not sure who Ash is but you're in a place used for tech support and questions about Debian
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472 [07:54:11] <gsksgk24> hello.
473 [07:54:30] <jelly> hi there, again
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475 [07:54:33] <jelly> !ask
476 [07:54:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
477 [07:54:44] <gkgk> testmsg
478 [07:55:27] <jelly> gsksgk24, gkgk: it works. You can make a custom own channel for testing things instead of here.
479 [07:58:06] <jelly> just /join ##gkgktests
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482 [08:01:51] <jelly> gkgk, alpsgtoop, gkgk1, gsksgk24: instead of putting 4 clients in a well known channel like #debian and chatting here, do your testing in a separate own temporary channel, so I don't have to quiet you when people with actual debian questions wake up
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493 [08:07:40] <jelly> gkgk, alpsgtoop, gkgk1, gsksgk24: I'll kick your clients out now. If you want to ask questions about Debian, ask for permission in #debian-ops
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515 [08:25:36] <darxmurf> but crashing :D
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553 [09:09:14] <nrubsig> Where does Linux have the DTS (Device Tree) config file ?
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560 [09:19:02] <jelly> nrubsig: linux kernel source tree, under eg. arch/arm/boot/dts/
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562 [09:21:29] <nrubsig> jelly: Jenny: Thanks!
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579 [09:45:20] <catbeard> hey there, so i have an issue with .ssh/config and ed25519
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581 [09:46:17] <catbeard> replaced-url
582 [09:46:25] <catbeard> not sure why it named it .nginx lol
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584 [09:47:03] <catbeard> the pubkey is there, works for another account
585 [09:47:12] <catbeard> or i wouldn't be on irc
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587 [09:48:25] <catbeard> server is running 8.10 jessie
588 [09:49:12] <catbeard> openssh-server 6.7p1-5+deb8u4
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594 [09:51:57] <catbeard> this is my ~/.ssh/config - replaced-url
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600 [09:58:35] <catbeard> it's on a t1.micro at ec2
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616 [10:13:25] <jelly> catbeard: what does /var/log/auth.log on the remote server say?
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618 [10:14:10] <catbeard> jelly: replaced-url
619 [10:14:18] <catbeard> redacted a bit
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621 [10:16:53] <jelly> catbeard: is the relevant public key present in /home/admin/.ssh/authorized_keys or /home/admin/.ssh/authorized_keys2 at all?
622 [10:17:05] <catbeard> yes, and yes
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624 [10:17:37] <jelly> which one?
625 [10:17:42] <catbeard> both
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627 [10:18:11] <catbeard> i had authorized_keys, but debug2 complained about not being able to find authorized_keys2
628 [10:18:14] <jelly> your debug seems to show only ssh-rsa keys in there.
629 [10:18:18] <catbeard> so i cp -p
630 [10:18:35] <catbeard> so IdentityFile doing nothing?
631 [10:18:41] <jelly> (there's no need to have both, authorized_keys2 is only checked for backward compatibility)
632 [10:18:48] <catbeard> i also have an ssh-agent (keychain) running
633 [10:18:52] <catbeard> and in .zshrc
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635 [10:19:10] <catbeard> is that possibly overwriting the key selection?
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637 [10:19:42] <jelly> catbeard: does the line with ssh-ed25519 in ~admin/.ssh/authorized_keys have a \n at the end?
638 [10:19:52] <catbeard> good q
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643 [10:22:06] <catbeard> nope
644 [10:22:11] <catbeard> not literal \n
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646 [10:22:55] <jelly> make sure it has a proper line ending
647 [10:23:01] <catbeard> dos2unix
648 [10:26:16] <catbeard> ya it's fine
649 [10:26:30] <catbeard> still can't auth tho
650 [10:27:10] <jelly> figure out why sshd thinks there's just one pubkey in there and it being a ssh-rsa one.
651 [10:28:55] <jelly> catbeard: oh, you did not provide output of ssh -v ... ? (just one -v for now)
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658 [10:39:25] <catbeard> jelly: replaced-url
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660 [10:41:19] <jelly> sigh
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663 [10:42:23] <catbeard> already had it :)
664 [10:42:29] <jelly> catbeard: line 91 looks like the right key is tried
665 [10:43:57] <catbeard> yup
666 [10:47:44] <ksk> what does the sshd log say? or auth.log that is
667 [10:48:10] <ksk> permissions of ~/.ssh server-side are good?
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669 [10:48:11] <catbeard> ksk: replaced-url
670 [10:48:13] <catbeard> yep
671 [10:48:13] <ksk> thx
672 [10:48:34] <ksk> that does not work without javascript :P
673 [10:48:40] <catbeard> sec
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676 [10:49:10] <ksk> nvm,. ill start the browser
677 [10:50:55] <ksk> mhm, does not show anything in chrome either..
678 [10:51:37] <ksk> a blinkin coursor, and goes off to "replaced-url
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682 [10:54:47] <catbeard> ya
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684 [10:56:07] <catbeard> replaced-url
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686 [10:58:28] <ksk> thats not an auth.log imho, rather ssh -v output
687 [10:59:44] <catbeard> oh! you're right
688 [10:59:46] <catbeard> sec
689 [11:02:53] <ksk> also, the wording of your ssh-v is a little strange, here on my box ssh -v is like "trying private key"
690 [11:03:26] <ksk> and yours is like " Offering public key"
691 [11:04:09] <ksk> not sure if you just removed that for $reasons, but you have a line like "Trying private key: /home/ksk/.ssh/id_rsa" in "ssh -v" output?
692 [11:04:35] <catbeard> i don't have id_rsa
693 [11:04:41] <catbeard> just id_ed25519
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695 [11:06:20] <ksk> yeah sure, but you should still have a private/publicy keypair, on whatever crypto
696 [11:07:04] <ksk> or not? maybe I should try generating a ed25519 key..
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698 [11:08:08] <catbeard> i already have it keyed, it works on another account on the same box
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700 [11:08:20] <catbeard> replaced-url
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703 [11:12:10] <ksk> mhhm, that looks fine, sorry..
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705 [11:12:29] <ksk> you are sure its the right private/pubkey combination? :>
706 [11:12:49] <jelly> catbeard: how many lines/keys are there in ~admin/.ssh/authorized_keys now?
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708 [11:13:24] <catbeard> 1
709 [11:13:54] <jelly> catbeard: did you edit the file while we're debugging or what?
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711 [11:14:10] <jelly> because sshd log said it found a rsa pub key there.
712 [11:14:22] <catbeard> maybe needs a restart
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714 [11:14:38] <ksk> no, sshd does not need a restart to see keys and stuff.
715 [11:14:52] <jelly> catbeard: pastebin a new log from sshd side, try to log in again
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718 [11:15:45] <jelly> catbeard: look at timestamps carefully, verify you're logging in to the correct user and server
719 [11:15:53] <jelly> well, trying to log in
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722 [11:17:52] <ksk> yeah, most of the times I had problems like that server debug log was not needed, and it can make things difficult to spot
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725 [11:18:21] <ksk> like all the "pubkey auth does not work" problems I ever encountered showed in "normal" auth/sshd log
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831 [13:41:27] <MarioMey> Hello, there. Anyone has Audacious AAC plugin compiled for Debian?
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833 [13:42:43] <petn-randall> MarioMey: It's already provided in "audacious-plugins", no need to compile yourself.
834 [13:43:19] <petn-randall> Oh wait, AAC is already provided in the main package "audacious".
835 [13:43:34] <petn-randall> MarioMey: So have you tried the main package at all yet?
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837 [13:46:17] <jelly> what's this TRYING you're talking of
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840 [13:47:59] <MarioMey> petn-randall: I have audacious and audacious-plugins:amd64 installed.
841 [13:48:23] <MarioMey> And it says:
842 [13:48:25] <MarioMey> ERROR aac.cc:373 [play]: No valid frame header found.
843 [13:48:47] <MarioMey> I'm trying to play AAC from YouTube files.
844 [13:49:09] <MarioMey> Maybe there is an uncompatibility?
845 [13:49:34] <rdz> MarioMey, may what you're try to play is not a actually a AAC file?
846 [13:49:45] <rdz> *trying
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848 [13:50:03] <MarioMey> VLC plays these files.
849 [13:50:11] <petn-randall> MarioMey: Run `file` on it, maybe it's broken.
850 [13:50:35] <petn-randall> MarioMey: VLC is known for trying a lot harder to play files, even if they're broken.
851 [13:50:37] <MarioMey> VLC says "MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)".
852 [13:50:58] <FinalX> "mediainfo" is usually very helpful as well to inspect media files
853 [13:51:08] <rdz> exiftool too
854 [13:51:19] <FinalX> will give you all kinds of information about the media, incl. duration, bitrate etec.
855 [13:51:21] <FinalX> -c
856 [13:51:27] <FinalX> eh, -e
857 [13:51:30] <MarioMey> City Pop 1.aac: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, Dynamic Adaptive Streaming over HTTP
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859 [13:52:18] <FinalX> sounds like it's saved as .aac but isn't .aac.. sounds like it's really a .mpd file
860 [13:52:31] <FinalX> (which is xml)
861 [13:52:36] <MarioMey> mediainfo:
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863 [13:53:05] <MarioMey> replaced-url
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865 [13:54:00] <FinalX> ah, it's a dash container with an aac stream in it
866 [13:54:04] <FinalX> not straight aac
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868 [13:54:40] <MarioMey> Oh.
869 [13:54:42] <FinalX> you might have to extract the AAC-stream from the MPEG-DASH container ("HTML5 audio/video")
870 [13:55:04] <FinalX> maybe ffmpeg can help, but I'm not extactly sure as to the correct parameters :)
871 [13:55:19] <MarioMey> ffmpeg -i file.aac -a:c copy file-out.aac
872 [13:55:22] <MarioMey> ... should help?
873 [13:55:25] <MarioMey> Let's try...
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875 [13:56:16] <MarioMey> Oh, it worked!
876 [13:56:22] <FinalX> great!
877 [13:57:16] <MarioMey> Thanks!
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883 [14:04:00] <MarioMey> Wow... I have an uncomprensible (by me) error in a little script.
884 [14:04:14] <MarioMey> find . -name "*.aac" | while read f; do echo "Converting $f"; ffmpeg -i "$f" -c:a copy "${f:0: -4}-.aac"; gvfs-trash "$f"; done
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887 [14:04:50] <MarioMey> It takes all aac files and it should convert to aac with "-" at the end of the file and throw to recicle bin the original file.
888 [14:04:53] <MarioMey> But...
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890 [14:05:25] <MarioMey> (it has the structure of another script that convert my camera MOV files to mp4 and it worked...)
891 [14:05:46] * jelly looks around for greycat
892 [14:05:50] <MarioMey> This actual scripts converts the first file... and for the other files it says:
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894 [14:05:57] <MarioMey> Parse error, at least 3 arguments were expected, only 1 given in string 'ityPopPLUS.aac'
895 [14:06:12] <MarioMey> (file realname is "CityPopPLUS.aac".
896 [14:06:19] <MarioMey> And the same with all other files.
897 [14:06:43] <MarioMey> It doesn't receive the first character of the file... :/
898 [14:06:49] <jelly> MarioMey: put an "echo " in front of "ffmpeg" and see what the actual command line looks like
899 [14:07:21] <jelly> and remove gfvs-trash from the loop
900 [14:07:30] <jelly> when testing that is.
901 [14:07:37] <MarioMey> ffmpeg -i ./CityPop2.aac -c:a copy ./CityPop2-.aac
902 [14:07:59] <jelly> that's the one that goes well. What about the one that does not?
903 [14:08:11] <MarioMey> That's the echo.
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906 [14:08:31] <jelly> do you only have a single file in the source dir?
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908 [14:09:06] <jelly> is it a smart idea to put the destination files into the same directory?
909 [14:09:26] <MarioMey> No, wait...
910 [14:09:44] <MarioMey> replaced-url
911 [14:09:53] <jelly> next run of find will match them
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913 [14:11:00] <MarioMey> jelly: shouldn't find search only once?
914 [14:11:24] <FinalX> MarioMey: pretty sure the - is counted as part of the variable in front of it, perhaps add a \ in front of it ?
915 [14:11:44] <jelly> MarioMey: only if MarioMey only runs it once
916 [14:12:08] <jelly> but MarioMey did not run it once and save the output and work from there
917 [14:12:10] <FinalX> ah, and the -4 is incorrect
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919 [14:12:35] <jelly> so now you have files that have been thru ffmpeg 2-3 times
920 [14:12:49] <MarioMey> jelly: it doesn't matter. It only copy stream.
921 [14:13:09] <MarioMey> I will try with no "-" character.
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923 [14:13:26] <jelly> it matters if you want to avoid needless work and filling up the "trash"
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929 [14:15:22] <jelly> but even if you fix that, it doesn't really show where ffmpeg migh hiccup.
930 [14:15:51] <jelly> add "set -x" to the actual script, and see what it runs before it errors
931 [14:16:06] <jelly> MarioMey: assuming it's a shell script
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933 [14:16:13] <FinalX> MarioMey: your "${f:0: -4}-.aac" is saying "show string position 0 until -4 of string $f", so you're trying to display negative character values, thus deleting the first C because it's the only character matching that range.
934 [14:16:43] <FinalX> s/character values/string positions/
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938 [14:18:03] <MarioMey> FinalX: that was because the previous script converts mov to mp4. So, it takes the name of the script, delete last 4 characters ".mov" and adds ".mp4".
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940 [14:18:37] <jelly> that's what you want it to do, not what it appears to be actually doing
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942 [14:19:01] <FinalX> MarioMey: in that case you just want ${f::-4}, not ${f:0:-4}
943 [14:19:53] <FinalX> or something different, like new=$(echo $f | sed 's|.mov$|.mp4|')
944 [14:21:33] <MarioMey> Well... that doesn't fix the problem.
945 [14:21:48] <MarioMey> Also, it is in output file, not input.
946 [14:22:01] <MarioMey> The problem is in "$f".
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948 [14:23:40] <jelly> one really should not assume find puts exactly one line per filename
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951 [14:25:06] <jelly> replaced-url
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953 [14:27:16] <darxmurf> I hate to configure web servers
954 [14:27:18] <darxmurf> fook it
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956 [14:27:32] <darxmurf> why the hell do I have this SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE despite the fact the cert is brand new
957 [14:28:10] <jelly> darxmurf: your browser may be caching things you're not aware of
958 [14:28:21] <FinalX> try curl
959 [14:28:26] <darxmurf> chrome does not complain, firefox yep, edge too
960 [14:28:31] <darxmurf> Falkon nop
961 [14:28:35] <darxmurf> wtf
962 [14:28:45] <FinalX> ..and a restart of your webserver.. not a reload, if necessary.
963 [14:28:50] <darxmurf> I did
964 [14:28:51] <jelly> darxmurf: what does "openssl -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -showcerts -connect hostname:port" say?
965 [14:28:52] <darxmurf> even rebooted
966 [14:29:26] <darxmurf> verify return:1
967 [14:29:40] <FinalX> Chrome ignores a lot of standard practices because Google doesn't think they're contributing to a better internet. Firefox is extremely strict.
968 [14:29:54] <FinalX> openssl doesn't talk to OCSP-responders, neither does cURL, though.
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970 [14:30:04] <FinalX> Neither does Chrome, I believe. Not anymore.
971 [14:30:19] <FinalX> Which is where your revocation status in the other browsers might certainly be coming from.
972 [14:30:19] <darxmurf> replaced-url
973 [14:30:26] <MarioMey> Thanks, people. Someday, I fill go on with this script.
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975 [14:30:56] <darxmurf> I hate web servers, it's always super obscure and you never understand why, in the end, this stuff works
976 [14:31:18] <FinalX> darxmurf: if it's a publicly accessible URL, try replaced-url
977 [14:31:29] <darxmurf> it's not :-/
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979 [14:31:38] <darxmurf> hmm I can maybe open the port for a while
980 [14:31:42] <FinalX> we (at work) have had trouble with GlobalSign suddenly spewing revocation for every single certificate they ever issued, too.
981 [14:31:43] <colo-work> -> replaced-url
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983 [14:31:58] <colo-work> "ssllabs in a box"
984 [14:32:00] <FinalX> since then we're no longer using GlobalSign :)
985 [14:32:15] <colo-work> darxmurf, ha, no I see what problem you describe
986 [14:32:35] <FinalX> I'm pretty sure it has to do with OCSP.
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991 [14:33:05] <colo-work> darxmurf, I had sucha problem myself once, and the reason was that the CA's OCSP responder did not know about my certificate's signature at the time my UA requested it. and the OCSP responder defaulted to "this cert is bad", which the UA honored.
992 [14:33:07] <darxmurf> this box had multiple websites and alias, I finally kicked out everything to keep only the basin server.tld.conf with a hello work html page
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994 [14:33:10] <FinalX> try replaced-url
995 [14:33:45] <colo-work> the bad news is, OSCP responses also get cached by various stages of infrastructure (e. g., browsers)
996 [14:33:57] <darxmurf> but why my other servers are ok ?
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998 [14:34:18] <FinalX> maybe you enabled OCSP-stapling and the staple is bad.. could be a time thing (ntp enabled?)
999 [14:34:28] <darxmurf> and only this one is making a mess ?
1000 [14:34:40] <darxmurf> well, it's the only one under Centos in fact :-x
1001 [14:34:49] <FinalX> OCSP-responses coming from responders are cached and only valid for usually 8 hours.. so if you're sending the wrong staple, it might also cause issues
1002 [14:35:08] <FinalX> not sure if it'd cause *this* particular one, though..
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1004 [14:35:32] <darxmurf> is it cached on local machines or on server ?
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1007 [14:36:01] <FinalX> if you're stapling, the content that's stapled (coming from the responder) is fetched and cached by your webserver or an external process (if so configured)
1008 [14:36:15] <FinalX> if it's on, try disabling it, restarting the webserver and then test again
1009 [14:36:22] <jelly> darxmurf: silly question: if the machine is on centos, why are you asking here
1010 [14:36:26] <FinalX> if it's not on.. then there's no point in looking at it further
1011 [14:36:47] <darxmurf> jelly: because I did not install it :D I would have put debian ^^
1012 [14:36:56] <darxmurf> and by the way, apache is apache...
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1015 [14:37:03] <jelly> again, why would ask here
1016 [14:37:21] <darxmurf> because I'm always here as all my other machines are under Debian
1017 [14:38:08] <FinalX> well, it's not an OS-issue but a webserver / certificate issue.. not a CentOS or Debian issue tbh. Might have some luck in #httpd. Till then, grep -ir SSLUseStapling .. :) if it's not on, it's something else
1018 [14:38:23] <jelly> darxmurf: next time you have an issue where neither the client nor the server are running Debian, please ask in a more appropriate place
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1022 [14:41:24] <darxmurf> the client is running debian
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1035 [14:46:45] <kaiser> hello, im trying to connect a pair of bluetooth bose AE2 soundlink headphones to debian 9
1036 [14:47:20] <kaiser> i have success in trusting, pairing and connecting the device to debian. But it does not show the headphones as an audio device in my audio settings.
1037 [14:47:33] <kaiser> after googling i think the issue is with pulseaudio but im not sure
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1039 [14:47:59] <kaiser> if anyone has any tips or questions for more info, please ping
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1041 [14:50:05] <darxmurf> just to end this apache story, I enabled SSLUseStapling and now it works Oo
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1044 [14:53:40] <diogenes_> kaiser, do you have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth?
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1049 [14:59:46] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
1050 [14:59:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-2-686-pae (4.17.14-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy-
1051 [14:59:48] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1142 [16:16:31] <kallisti5> ... so. cgit has a serious CVE. They patched it in 1.2.x. Debian only offers a 1.1+git2.10.blahblah version
1143 [16:16:45] <kallisti5> where the hell are the changelogs for git patches?
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1145 [16:16:57] <greycat> If you know the CVE number, you can look it up on replaced-url
1146 [16:17:02] <kallisti5> thanks
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1151 [16:18:54] <FinalX> shame, Vultr's IPv6-only containers ($2,50/m) area limited to two per account :(
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1153 [16:20:51] <jelly> uh, I have a full vm with v4 and v6 for 2€/mth
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1156 [16:20:58] <jhutchins_wk> kallisti5: Remember, upstream version numbers are not the same as Debian version numbers. Patches are frequently backported to earlier versions.
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1160 [16:24:19] <FinalX> jelly: at Vultr? I have plenty of other VM's that do both.. but not KVM and no BGP, either.. I have my own BGP-ranges there :)
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1163 [16:24:44] <FinalX> jelly: last one that had both at Vultr for $2,50/m was Miami, and they replaced that now with the v6-only variant.
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1166 [16:26:20] <jelly> see, that's vendor lockin in play :-)
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1168 [16:26:58] <Orbstheorem> How can I learn why a package is still in /testing ?
1169 [16:27:15] <greycat> um... what
1170 [16:27:50] <jelly> Orbstheorem: it's still in testing but is not present where?
1171 [16:28:03] <jelly> Orbstheorem: which package?
1172 [16:28:25] <Orbstheorem> I'm writing software that depends on python3-gpg >= 1.10. this package exists on /stable with version 1.8 and on /testing with version 1.11. I would like to know why version 1.11 has not arrived on stable
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1175 [16:28:53] <jelly> Orbstheorem: that's easy. Versions in stable never change.
1176 [16:29:03] <Orbstheorem> Oh
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1178 [16:29:15] <jelly> "stable" will gain newer versions once there's a new Debian release
1179 [16:29:49] <Orbstheorem> where can I find what “qualifies” to be backported to stable?
1180 [16:30:03] <greycat> stretch-backports is a totally separate thing
1181 [16:30:10] <greycat> ,v python3-gpg
1182 [16:30:11] <judd> Package: python3-gpg on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8.0-3+b2; buster: 1.11.1-1; sid: 1.11.1-1
1183 [16:30:19] <greycat> ,checkbackport python3-gpg
1184 [16:30:20] <judd> Backporting package python3-gpg in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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1186 [16:30:29] <greycat> You can backport it yourself, if the bot is correct.
1187 [16:30:54] <jelly> Orbstheorem: anything qualifies, as long as it's prsent in testing. Someone has to ask for it on the backports list. Or do what greycat said.
1188 [16:31:00] <jelly> !simple sid backport
1189 [16:31:00] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1190 [16:31:11] <judd> if! if! what do you mean if!
1191 [16:31:18] <greycat> hah
1192 [16:31:28] <jelly> !
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1194 [16:31:57] <jelly> ,botsnack judd
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1205 [16:36:29] <darxmurf> it can make funny things yep :-/
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1207 [16:36:33] <kallisti5> since you're running code which isn't 'official' outside of debian
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1209 [16:36:58] <darxmurf> I had a funky time the other day with nvidia drivers from backports
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1211 [16:37:22] <mefistofeles> funky town
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1213 [16:38:37] <jelly> I have a funky time with 32bit firefox-esr 52.9.0 from mozilla, I'm probably their last 32bit user so they do not notice it is leaking as all hell and has to be restarted every 4-5 hours
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1216 [16:40:37] <petn-randall> jelly: Don't expect them to fix it, it's EOL this month.
1217 [16:41:17] <jelly> I know! Keep telling myself it's probably not intentional
1218 [16:41:28] <jelly> OR IS IT
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1220 [16:43:55] <PaulePanter> Hi. I am wondering, what the reason is, that packages are built with -O2 and not -Ofast?
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1222 [16:44:17] <PaulePanter> Because the upstream program defaults are used?
1223 [16:44:28] <greycat> Each package it built with whatever tools and options the maintainer chooses.
1224 [16:44:43] <greycat> Usually whatever is safest and most trusted.
1225 [16:44:49] <PaulePanter> replaced-url
1226 [16:44:57] <PaulePanter> … is why I am asking.
1227 [16:45:04] <PaulePanter> greycat: Understood.
1228 [16:45:06] <jelly> and -O2 is default for stuff built with gcc
1229 [16:45:21] <mefistofeles> O3 can actually do the opposite of what you expect, it depends on the actual tool/code
1230 [16:45:32] <mefistofeles> O2 is commonly safe, yes
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1232 [16:45:52] <petn-randall> Isn't -O9001 the bestest?!
1233 [16:46:02] <jelly> (and that -O2 is debian's default, not gcc or make or whatever's upstream)
1234 [16:46:14] <PaulePanter> But -Ofast could still built generic binaries, that runs on all processor generation “groups”?
1235 [16:46:30] <PaulePanter> jelly: Oh, I didn’t know that.
1236 [16:46:52] <PaulePanter> petn-randall: Let me try. :P
1237 [16:47:14] <jelly> we'll wait here while you rebuild debian archive with -Ofast and report results
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1240 [16:48:19] <PaulePanter> Do you know of blends/distributions doing such benchmarks and providing optimized packages?
1241 [16:48:21] <greycat> I don't even think power9 is a supported architecture on debian...?
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1243 [16:48:42] <petn-randall> PaulePanter: All the gcc ricers usually all go to Gentoo, we don't have that many in Debian.
1244 [16:48:43] <PaulePanter> Not officially I believe.
1245 [16:48:57] <PaulePanter> I see.
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1247 [16:49:39] <jelly> things that matter do get optimized builds if maintainers think they're worth the while
1248 [16:50:40] <jelly> PaulePanter: are you targeting power9 or some other platform/archiecture?
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1251 [16:52:55] <PaulePanter> For the future, we are targetting also Power 9.
1252 [16:53:43] <PaulePanter> Currently, we have a Power 8 test system, but its performance didn’t convince so many people yet.
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1254 [16:54:03] <MarioMey> Hey.
1255 [16:54:09] <jelly> Ho.
1256 [16:54:25] <MarioMey> I installed vlc-plugin-jack... but JACK doesn't appear in VLC audio output options...
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1258 [16:54:37] <MarioMey> Let's go.
1259 [16:55:44] <jelly> MarioMey: is jackd2 installed and jackd running?
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1265 [16:59:59] <MarioMey> jelly: Yes.
1266 [17:00:15] <MarioMey> Eh... I think (about version)
1267 [17:00:43] <MarioMey> Jackdmp I have.
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1274 [17:01:58] <MarioMey> jackdmp 1.9.12
1275 [17:02:36] <jelly> that does not sound like "2"
1276 [17:02:57] <jelly> which package does that come from?
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1279 [17:04:16] <MarioMey> I think from Debian.
1280 [17:04:24] <greycat> *facepalm*
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1282 [17:04:30] <MarioMey> XD
1283 [17:04:52] <greycat> What release of what operating system are you actually running?
1284 [17:04:57] <MarioMey> Debian 9.
1285 [17:04:58] <jelly> MarioMey: how about "dpkg -S /path/to/jackdmp"
1286 [17:04:59] <MarioMey> Mate.
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1289 [17:05:44] <greycat> You *know* he's going to type /path/to/ literally.
1290 [17:06:02] <MarioMey> XD XD XD
1291 [17:06:04] <jelly> I don't, they seemed sensible this morning!
1292 [17:06:18] <jelly> or not.
1293 [17:06:30] <greycat> jelly> which package does that come from? MarioMey> I think from Debian.
1294 [17:06:52] * jelly will not show greycat MarioMey's find | while read from this morning O SNAP
1295 [17:07:44] <MarioMey> I'm trying to find jackdmp file... but I don't find it.
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1297 [17:07:52] <MarioMey> Using locate doesn't work.
1298 [17:07:58] <greycat> MarioMey: what does "ps auxw | grep jackd" say
1299 [17:08:21] <MarioMey> mario 19162 0.6 2.1 312192 133312 ? SLsl 10:36 0:36 /usr/bin/jackdbus auto
1300 [17:08:53] <Orbstheorem> jelly: How do I ask for a package to be backported?
1301 [17:08:54] <MarioMey> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/jackdbus
1302 [17:08:54] <MarioMey> jackd2: /usr/bin/jackdbus
1303 [17:08:57] <greycat> That's all? Then why did you say jackdmp was running? (Note, I have no idea what jackdmp is.)
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1305 [17:09:36] <jelly> Orbstheorem: hm, that's probably covered in the instructions on backports.debian.org
1306 [17:09:53] <MarioMey> I don't really know the difference of jack, jackd, jackdbus and jackdmp.
1307 [17:09:54] <Orbstheorem> thanks
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1309 [17:10:21] <yepla> hello
1310 [17:10:40] <yepla> it s a little bit crazy the version of firefox on debian stable ! so old
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1312 [17:10:51] <greycat> It is not "so old".
1313 [17:11:06] <MarioMey> But I have Cadence and Jack running, with my daughter seeing "Little Mermaid 2" with Pulseaudio connected to Jack and her headphones and me listening City Pop music with Audacious with my speakers.
1314 [17:11:15] <yepla> 52.9.0
1315 [17:11:16] <greycat> replaced-url
1316 [17:11:20] <yepla> it s old !
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1318 [17:11:36] <MarioMey> And I want to use VLC to see some videos with speakers... but I can't connect VLC to Jack.
1319 [17:11:40] <MarioMey> That's the problem.
1320 [17:11:52] <yepla> it s so old than some website tell me i need change to a new version
1321 [17:12:03] <MarioMey> I did it a lot of times... but maybe with Ubuntu.
1322 [17:12:19] <MarioMey> I don't remember if I did it with Debian (I installed last year).
1323 [17:12:21] <greycat> firefox-esr 52.9 has a release date of 2018-06-26 as shown on that web page
1324 [17:12:22] <dob1> hi, about rtl8111h ethernet card I read it is supported by replaced-url
1325 [17:12:56] <jelly> yepla: that's apparently the last release of 52esr branch, so Debian is likely to switch to 60esr soon enough
1326 [17:13:11] <greycat> esr 60 doesn't start until next month
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1328 [17:13:14] <yepla> the current version of firefox is 61.0
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1330 [17:13:33] <greycat> err, well, I mean... it started kinda, but Debian won't switch to it until the old ESR is done
1331 [17:13:40] <yepla> the current version on debian stable is 52.9.0 !!!
1332 [17:13:45] <jelly> yepla: debian does not ship versions of firefox from the "release" branch, they only do ESR branch
1333 [17:13:52] <greycat> yepla: the current ESR versions of firefox are 52 and 60
1334 [17:14:13] <jelly> yepla: if you need the release branch, you may use Mozilla's own linux builds
1335 [17:14:17] <yepla> greycat: how can i install the 60 ?
1336 [17:14:20] <alad> jelly: how are they going to deal with rust? (which I think ESR 60 relies on)
1337 [17:14:26] <yepla> with apt ?
1338 [17:14:30] <yepla> on the stable ?
1339 [17:14:32] <greycat> yepla: just grab a tarball from mozilla.com and install it in /opt or /usr/local or $HOME
1340 [17:14:56] <yepla> i think switch to ubuntu
1341 [17:15:02] <greycat> clearly you don't want stable software, so just go ahead and use the latest upstream "release"
1342 [17:15:12] <yepla> because on debian stable it s only old package ! :( it s break my balls
1343 [17:15:19] <jelly> yepla: that's an option as well, they do ship the release branch of firefox
1344 [17:15:20] <greycat> Bye.
1345 [17:15:35] <themill> yepla: this interaction would be easier for everyone if you were reading as well as writing.
1346 [17:15:36] <jelly> even in LTS releases
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1348 [17:16:14] <themill> alad: rust and friends have been backported for a "let's build firefox" toolchain too
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1350 [17:16:30] <alad> good to know
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1353 [17:18:47] <jelly> I have ubuntu on a laptop and lack of esr is quiet annoying, mozilla breaks useful things like twice a year.
1354 [17:19:47] <jelly> oh, they left
1355 [17:19:49] <jelly> !next
1356 [17:19:49] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1357 [17:20:39] <dob1> jelly, about the next, there is my question :)
1358 [17:20:49] <mason> jelly: How long will ESR get support?
1359 [17:21:02] <greycat> 11:11 greycat> replaced-url
1360 [17:21:07] <mason> ty ty
1361 [17:21:38] <jelly> mason: judging by previous esr releases, around 8-12 months
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1363 [17:21:38] <mason> Oh. That's not encouraging then.
1364 [17:21:53] <greycat> what's not?
1365 [17:22:06] <jelly> it's better than getting a new major release each 6 weeks
1366 [17:22:08] <mason> greycat: We'll all be dumped into the new world Firefox before I'd like it.
1367 [17:22:15] <mason> Well, true.
1368 [17:22:15] <jelly> every* 6 weeks
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1373 [17:24:11] <jelly> and for enterprise customers Mozilla claims to be targeting, those probably just switch to Chrome or even Edge, both are better at not breaking things
1374 [17:24:36] <mason> Chrome still breaks things sometimes. Haven't had an opportunity to try Edge.
1375 [17:24:38] <dyst0p1a> How can I get the emacs modeline working?
1376 [17:24:59] <dyst0p1a> It looks like: replaced-url
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1379 [17:25:15] <alad> jelly: when I used, my main issues were with ubuntu patches causing the thing to crash, which were magically solved by switching to the mozilla build
1380 [17:25:19] <greycat> Chrome "broke" some stuff when it went from gtk2 to gtk3 and I had to figure out where to put the magic voodoo to make ctrl-keys work again.
1381 [17:25:20] <alad> used ubuntu's firefox *
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1383 [17:25:38] <jelly> alad: pfft
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1385 [17:25:49] <mason> greycat: In my case it might not have been Chrome's fault, but a web app I need for work stopped working with an update not long ago.
1386 [17:25:51] <pdobrogost> Hi all!
1387 [17:26:00] <jelly> that gives me an idea tho. Let me try Debian's firefox-esr.
1388 [17:26:13] <pdobrogost> Where can I find debian patches to Python package? I'm asking in the context of replaced-url
1389 [17:26:56] <jelly> pdobrogost: identify the package, then look for the source at eg. tracker.debian.org
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1391 [17:27:07] <greycat> wooledg:~$ cat .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
1392 [17:27:07] <greycat> [Settings]
1393 [17:27:07] <greycat> gtk-key-theme-name = Emacs
1394 [17:27:28] <petn-randall> pdobrogost: If you 'apt-get source <packagename>', you'll find all patches in the debian/patches/ directory.
1395 [17:27:39] <greycat> Just in case anyone else was wondering where the voodoo goes.
1396 [17:28:08] <dyst0p1a> greycat: Are you replying to me?
1397 [17:28:21] <greycat> no
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1417 [17:39:20] <pdobrogost> jelly: , petn-randall: Thanks. Looking at replaced-url
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1421 [17:40:39] <jelly> pdobrogost: that sounds like something that gets generated during the build, and not part of the source tree
1422 [17:40:51] <petn-randall> pdobrogost: You're looking at the documentation for Python 3.7. Debian ships with 3.5.
1423 [17:41:21] <jelly> my Debian 9 system has a /usr/lib/python3.5/sysconfig.py however
1424 [17:41:30] <pdobrogost> petn-randall: I think the location is the same since it was introduced in Python 3.2
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1426 [17:41:54] <pdobrogost> jelly: this looks like proper path/file, yes
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1428 [17:42:44] <petn-randall> Same here, /usr/lib/python3.5/sysconfig.py exists on my Debian stretch.
1429 [17:42:52] <pdobrogost> jelly: Why is /usr/lib/python3.5/sysconfig.py missing in the list at replaced-url
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1431 [17:43:15] <jelly> pdobrogost: because it ships with python3.5-minimal binary package
1432 [17:43:22] <greycat> p.d.o file lists are just broken. They are missing a lot of stuff.
1433 [17:43:24] <pdobrogost> ok, thanks
1434 [17:43:50] <greycat> (this is in addition to other issues, like "it's generated dynamically during postinst" or "you're looking at the wrong package")
1435 [17:43:59] <pdobrogost> Yep, it's present at replaced-url
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1437 [17:44:26] <jelly> right, sorry
1438 [17:45:03] <pdobrogost> Now, how can I locate debian patches (if any) for the file /usr/lib/python3.5/sysconfig.py from the package ibpython3.5-minimal ?
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1440 [17:45:51] <jelly> that binary package is built from python3.5 SOURCE package
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1442 [17:46:44] <jelly> so whatever generates sysconfig.py during the build has to be present in the source
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1444 [17:47:16] <jelly> ... package, either the orig source tree or debian's additions
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1448 [17:49:00] <jelly> pdobrogost: do you have a debian (or debian-based derivative you're interested in) installed at all?
1449 [17:49:13] <pdobrogost> no
1450 [17:49:18] <greycat> *sigh*
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1452 [17:49:43] <jelly> figuring out how python gets built is going to be interesting, then
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1454 [17:50:25] <pdobrogost> It's not about how Python gets built. It's about debian's dist-packages patch which causes problem.
1455 [17:50:56] <pdobrogost> If you look at the pip's issue I linked it's described in details.
1456 [17:51:43] <greycat> The debian patches to python3.5 are found at replaced-url
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1458 [17:52:20] <jelly> pdobrogost: if the relevant patch affects generation of some build results, I think it's _precisely_ about how python gets built
1459 [17:52:37] <greycat> Or, you could type "apt-get source python3.5" on a Debian system which you're going to need to have to debug the issue, right??
1460 [17:52:44] <jelly> ^
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1462 [17:52:53] <pdobrogost> greycat: Yup. I just downloaded replaced-url
1463 [17:52:58] <pdobrogost> Thank you all for help.
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1513 [18:24:19] <catbehemoth> hello I am trying to install Debian on a bios system on a gpt disk, I already have arch linux on a separate disk with 1M biosgrub partition, it has a letter K next to it, meaning the installer will use it, if I tell it to not use the partition and create another biosgrub partition on my new debian disk, then when I get to confirmation scree, the installer tells me it will modify the arch linux disk. How can I prevent that? I want
1514 [18:24:56] <catbehemoth> and be able to switch what to boot thourgh bios
1515 [18:25:23] <Iridos> I have files on an SD card… and an older copy of that SD card… in both I removed some files… either because they weren't needed anymore or in some cases to make space on the card… what's the best way to consolidate the two… I want to clean out the SD card… but delete things I already found unnecessary
1516 [18:25:41] <Iridos> I thought… either diff, rsync or something like midnight commander?
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1520 [18:28:49] <Iridos> basically… something like a vimdiff of two files would be nice… only it should actually remove and move stuff, not only manipulate the lines
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1522 [18:31:17] <jelly> pdobrogost: I took liberty and poked #debian-python about this
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1529 [18:34:11] <Iridos> oooh, there seems to be "meld"
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1531 [18:38:07] <jelly> Iridos: so you want to keep only files that exist in both places?
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1533 [18:38:43] <Iridos> nothing so simple…
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1535 [18:39:46] <Iridos> either may have files deleted because I don't want them… one has some removed because I needed space
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1537 [18:39:53] <Iridos> but meld seems to do it, albeit slowly
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1541 [18:41:32] <jelly> so you need some unique files but not all
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1543 [18:41:56] <jhutchins_wk> Iridos: You can do that with rsync using the delete option.
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1545 [18:42:54] <jhutchins_wk> Iridos: You would have to make one of the cards the "Master" which had all of the files you want.
1546 [18:43:40] <Iridos> *hrm* as I mentioned…I actually found something that seems to fit the bill :)
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1548 [18:44:54] <jelly> clearly that means we need to work HARDER to find a different solution
1549 [18:45:02] <Iridos> :D
1550 [18:45:31] <Iridos> yeah… can't have me using a graphical tool for that
1551 [18:45:36] <Iridos> it's just not done
1552 [18:45:52] <jelly> this requires human intervention so it can't be just a single rsync pass; one with -n to collect excludes, and one to rsync --delete --excliude-from might do
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1557 [18:52:11] <Tarrasquero> hi
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1561 [18:53:45] <ddp`> hello! how can I change hostname (permanently) in chroot enviroment?
1562 [18:54:00] <ddp`> os debian strecht
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1564 [18:54:01] <greycat> that's not how chroot works
1565 [18:55:05] <Tarrasquero> ddp`: enviroment multiusers
1566 [18:55:13] <Tarrasquero> variables
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1572 [18:59:42] <Tarrasquero> ddp`: nano /etc/hostname (?)
1573 [18:59:54] <ddp`> no Tarrasquero it doesn't work
1574 [19:00:14] <ddp`> in chroot doesn't work
1575 [19:00:20] <Tarrasquero> ah
1576 [19:00:27] <jelly> ddp`: your chroot would have to wrap and fake uname() syscall.
1577 [19:00:48] <Tarrasquero> sudo nano /etc/environment
1578 [19:01:12] <jelly> ddp`: so, to rephrase what the grey cat said, it can't be done with just a chroot
1579 [19:01:28] <Tarrasquero> HOSTNAME=***
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1581 [19:01:44] <jelly> Tarrasquero: go ahead and try it
1582 [19:02:22] <Tarrasquero> hehehe, in chrrot
1583 [19:02:24] <Tarrasquero> oO
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1586 [19:05:46] <jelly> ddp`: it could be done if you add user namespaces (part of your complete container solution!) replaced-url
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1588 [19:06:18] <ddp`> maybe jelly
1589 [19:06:25] <ddp`> let me try
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1592 [19:08:12] <jelly> user_namespaces(7) seems pretty explicit about it > [...] For example, suppose that a process attempts to change the hostname (sethostname(2)), a resource governed by the UTS namespace. [...]
1593 [19:08:23] <jelly> I never tried that.
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1597 [19:10:56] <diogenes_> guys, is there a way to disable system bell?
1598 [19:11:13] <greycat> !bell
1599 [19:11:13] <dpkg> To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
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1601 [19:12:27] <diogenes_> graingert, looks like a lot of work to be done for just simply get rid of it :)
1602 [19:12:41] <diogenes_> sorry greycat *
1603 [19:12:56] <greycat> "xset b off" is a lot of work?
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1605 [19:13:31] <diogenes_> greycat, will it survive the reboot?
1606 [19:13:48] <greycat> Not by itself. Put it in your X session startup file.
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1609 [19:14:03] <diogenes_> ok thanks
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1653 [19:44:39] <n_1-c_k> In view of #906158 is there an idiot proof guide on installing a downloaded microcode update? The intel-microcode package's README.Debian refers to "the microcode-*.dat file" but I don't see such a file in Intel's .tgz.
1654 [19:45:09] <greycat> Is the intel-microcode that just hit stretch last week not good enough?
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1659 [19:47:24] <n_1-c_k> greycat: I think not. Stretch has 3.20180703.2~deb9u1 but this one is microcode-20180807.tgz so is later I think?
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1678 [20:02:17] <altker128> Hey guys. What's the easiest way to have Debian issue a "startx" on boot? I don't want gdm/lightdm or anything like that, this is a single-use machine for HTPC stuff
1679 [20:03:42] <buu> altker128: replaced-url
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1682 [20:04:33] <altker128> buu: Yes...that guy is using lightdm
1683 [20:04:44] <buu> oh. no. how will you cope
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1685 [20:05:42] <altker128> Thanks for the sarcasm. There are issues with lightdm and Compton and I "have" to use Compton because there's tearing of the video due to the Intel graphics driver changes. But of course that's probably too picky for you.
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1691 [20:09:41] <diogenes_> altker128, have you tried 20-intel.conf tearfree
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1695 [20:11:31] <altker128> diogenes_: I messed with it for awhile but the compton "fix" worked so I figured I'd fight that battle another day
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1703 [20:15:10] <altker128> Followed this and it now works. replaced-url
1704 [20:15:34] <altker128> agetty modification + startx in the bash_profile
1705 [20:15:37] <altker128> Life is good.
1706 [20:15:40] <diogenes_> guys, is debian non-free iso also maintained (provided) by the same team as the main iso?
1707 [20:15:54] <altker128> diogenes_: Yes
1708 [20:16:10] <diogenes_> good, thanks
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1710 [20:17:30] <diogenes_> altker128, btw, does it increase the boot speed? without lightdm?
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1712 [20:19:07] <altker128> diogenes_: Some ; uses less RAM, less stuff to debug or fight when things don't work
1713 [20:19:27] <altker128> diogenes_: Are you using the 20-intel.conf fix?
1714 [20:19:53] <diogenes_> altker128, on my main pc yes
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1716 [20:20:15] <diogenes_> also cinnamon+muffer so no tearing
1717 [20:20:50] <altker128> diogenes_: What exactly did you do with 20-intel.conf ? Basic searching shows that's an Xorg.conf edit?
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1721 [20:22:11] <diogenes_> altker128, here: replaced-url
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1723 [20:22:44] <diogenes_> s/etc/etc
1724 [20:25:28] <diogenes_> altker128, but you need xserver-xorg-video-intel and not modesetting
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1820 [21:26:29] <apathor> hi. i have multiple kernel images installed - how do i select a new one to be used on reboot?
1821 [21:26:50] <greycat> normally by hitting the down arrow key during the grub screen at boot time
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1825 [21:28:04] <apathor> hi greycat! yes but this is a headless server - no console access. i tried 'update-grub' to no avail
1826 [21:28:29] <greycat> update-grub runs a set of scripts that generate a grub menu with the most recent kernel as the default
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1828 [21:28:53] <greycat> if you want to change that, you can either edit the grub.cfg every single time, or tweak the scripts so that they put your choice as the default
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1830 [21:29:56] <apathor> yeah i see that in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
1831 [21:30:03] <apathor> okay
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1836 [21:30:28] <algun|home> For so long brasero has this recurring bug that ejects my CDs just as they are about to be written
1837 [21:30:43] <algun|home> For no reason: BraseroWodim asked to stop because of an error
1838 [21:30:43] <algun|home> error = 0
1839 [21:30:44] <algun|home> message = "no message"
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1841 [21:31:01] <algun|home> What do I do?
1842 [21:31:17] <Centurion_Dan> hi
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1844 [21:32:49] <algun|home> If there's a brasero channel I'd be happy to visit it
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1848 [21:35:32] <Centurion_Dan> Can anybody tell me how to unpick a funky 3.0 (quilt) source (from salsa.git.org) where all the debian branches come patches applied but quilt thinks they're unapplied, and applying them fails. I get the same rejections from gbp pq...
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1850 [21:37:37] <Centurion_Dan> I want to add new patches to the series, but can't do that until I can recover a sane state where either quilt or gbp pq recognises that the patches are applied...
1851 [21:37:52] <Centurion_Dan> the package at issue is cloud-init...
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1930 [22:02:53] <Bushmaster> hi, not sure anyone can help here, but my Debian, came with R which unfortunately does not support R Commander package
1931 [22:03:15] <Bushmaster> which means I need to install different R version, can it be possible?
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1981 [22:19:31] <JordiGH> I seem to have lost the sound icon in my mate system tray.
1982 [22:19:56] <JordiGH> What's supposed to display that? Maybe there's something I can restart.
1983 [22:20:43] <JordiGH> The alt-Fn keys for changing volume still seem to work.
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1989 [22:28:23] <Bushmaster> never thought Debian will cause so much hassle
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1994 [22:32:00] <Bushmaster> there is no one who can help me how to upgrade R 3.3.3 to R 3.4
1995 [22:32:19] <Bushmaster> i cant locate any information in google
1996 [22:32:24] <JordiGH> Are you talking about Debian versions?
1997 [22:32:29] <JordiGH> Or about R?
1998 [22:32:32] <Bushmaster> i am in Debian
1999 [22:32:51] <Bushmaster> but R it came with is a version that is not letting me to install R package
2000 [22:32:58] <Bushmaster> i need R version 3.4
2001 [22:33:14] <greycat> What is the pacakge name in Debian?
2002 [22:33:17] <Bushmaster> there are lot of info in CRAN but nothing is helping me
2003 [22:33:19] <JordiGH> r-base
2004 [22:33:22] <greycat> ,v r-base
2005 [22:33:23] <judd> Package: r-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.15.1-4; wheezy-security: 2.15.1-4+deb7u1; jessie: 3.1.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.1.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.3.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.3.3-1; buster: 3.5.1-1; sid: 3.5.1-1
2006 [22:33:29] <Bushmaster> yes r-base
2007 [22:33:33] <greycat> ,checkbackport r-base
2008 [22:33:34] <judd> Backporting package r-base in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
2009 [22:33:42] <greycat> Bushmaster: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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2011 [22:34:15] <Bushmaster> greycat, hello, what it will do for me?
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2013 [22:34:57] <greycat> Tells you how to backport the r-base source package from sid into stretch.
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2015 [22:35:08] <greycat> judd says it's possible
2016 [22:35:33] <Bushmaster> greycat, i get this /msg dpkg simple sid backport
2017 [22:35:44] <apathor> you were right about update-grub. got it working. thanks greycat
2018 [22:35:56] <Bushmaster> greycat, bushcat@Buashcat:~$ /msg dpkg simple sid backport
2019 [22:35:56] <Bushmaster> bash: /msg: No such file or directory
2020 [22:35:57] <greycat> If you aren't capable of pasting an IRC command into your IRC client and reading the results, well....
2021 [22:36:06] <greycat> /msg is an IRC client command
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2023 [22:36:22] <Bushmaster> greycat, hold on
2024 [22:36:33] <greycat> No. I will FLY FREE!
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2026 [22:37:11] <Bushmaster> greycat, i do not know what happened
2027 [22:37:26] <annadane> Bushmaster, not in bash
2028 [22:37:29] <annadane> in your irc client
2029 [22:37:40] <annadane> it will message the dpkg bot who will give you instructions
2030 [22:37:47] <Bushmaster> annadane, i did
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2032 [22:38:00] <Bushmaster> dpkg came out
2033 [22:38:00] <dpkg> wish i knew, Bushmaster
2034 [22:38:08] <annadane> !ssb
2035 [22:38:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2036 [22:38:08] <JordiGH> ... of the closet?
2037 [22:38:11] <annadane> just follow that ^
2038 [22:38:18] <brwoods> just an FYI, in buster, NIS is broken, after manually running ypbind, it works
2039 [22:38:32] <Bushmaster> i cant follow these annadane
2040 [22:38:37] <JordiGH> I'm guessing that "Just follow that" is going to be difficult for someone inexperienced enough to attempt IRC commands in bash.
2041 [22:38:45] <annadane> brwoods, such advisories would be better suited to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2043 [22:39:21] <greycat> brwoods: whenever a network thing fails a boot time but works after manually starting, my first response is ALWAYS going to be "change allow-hotplug to auto".
2044 [22:39:24] <Bushmaster> all i wanted is someone to help me re-install older version of R
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2046 [22:39:40] <greycat> ... you frankendebianed it?
2047 [22:39:49] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: what release
2048 [22:39:51] <Centurion_Dan> ?
2049 [22:40:00] <brwoods> greycat: it used to work, but then failed after an update so (wasn't updated in while)
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2051 [22:40:12] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, i need R Commander package and I think somebody told me 3.4 version will do it
2052 [22:40:20] <brwoods> it's a VM, if that makes a difference
2053 [22:40:49] <Centurion_Dan> have you tried adding backports and installing from there?
2054 [22:40:51] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, can you help me
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2058 [22:41:04] <Centurion_Dan> sure...
2059 [22:41:06] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, i do not know what backport means
2060 [22:41:15] <Centurion_Dan> ok...
2061 [22:41:34] <Bushmaster> i can give you CRAN web site
2062 [22:41:40] <Bushmaster> it has too much info
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2064 [22:42:24] <Centurion_Dan> what editor do you use? vi(m)
2065 [22:42:25] <Bushmaster> my problem is simple, I need R Commander which is one of many packages of R and for that I need R version that can support R Commander
2066 [22:42:34] <greycat> A backport is a newer version of a software package, built to run on an older (or current) release of Debian.
2067 [22:42:42] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, no way, I stick to Kate or KWrite
2068 [22:43:13] <Bushmaster> i am not using older Debian or at least i do not think so
2069 [22:43:14] <greycat> You can't run the sid version of r-base on stretch, but you CAN build the sid version from source code on stretch, and then run that. That's a backport.
2070 [22:43:33] <Bushmaster> no idea what it all means
2071 [22:43:46] <greycat> ... then how on earth are you going to use a programming language?!
2072 [22:43:58] <Centurion_Dan> ok... you know synaptic package manager?
2073 [22:44:08] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, yes
2074 [22:44:09] <greycat> feel like I'm being trolled
2075 [22:44:27] <Bushmaster> greycat, I can work in R Commander and R language a bit yes
2076 [22:44:44] <Bushmaster> for mathematics
2077 [22:45:11] <Centurion_Dan> greycat: not everybody is a programmer or unix geek...
2078 [22:45:12] <Bushmaster> I follow Brian Dennis Book on R okay
2079 [22:46:04] <Bushmaster> I admire UNIX flavor yes but I am afraid my knowledge is command lines is very much at its infancy
2080 [22:46:05] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: in synaptic go to settings->repositories
2081 [22:46:23] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, hold on my friend
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2084 [22:47:24] <Bushmaster> yes I am there, it opened up a box Centurion_Dan
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2086 [22:48:03] <Centurion_Dan> what version of debian are you running?
2087 [22:48:25] <Bushmaster> i do not know, i trust stable latest version but no idea Centurion_Dan
2088 [22:48:40] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version
2089 [22:48:42] <Centurion_Dan> ok, that will be stretch.
2090 [22:48:54] <Bushmaster> hold on greycat
2091 [22:49:12] <Centurion_Dan> so, look for a line ending in stretch-backports and tick that box
2092 [22:49:26] <Centurion_Dan> select ok
2093 [22:49:44] <Bushmaster> that command is nice greycat and Centurion_Dan it came out as 9.5
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2096 [22:50:04] <Bushmaster> hold on Centurion_Dan i need to go back to Synpatic
2097 [22:50:16] <Centurion_Dan> yeah, that's stretch
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2102 [22:52:04] <Centurion_Dan> Once you have done that, go to Edit->Reload Package Information
2103 [22:52:45] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, where i look at? Debian Software, Other Software, Updates etc etc?
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2106 [22:54:03] <Centurion_Dan> and then you can search for r-base in synaptic...
2107 [22:54:05] <diogenes_> guys, i have recently had several debian installs and on different PCs and, i noticed that after the installation, on the first boot, it takes looong time to boot to the desktop after entering the password, afterwards it boots ok, so what black magic does it do on the first boot?
2108 [22:54:26] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, i am lost
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2110 [22:54:53] <Bushmaster> where do i look for stretch - backport Centurion_Dan
2111 [22:55:29] <Centurion_Dan> see the big Search button in the tool bar on synaptic
2112 [22:55:38] <jhutchins_wk> diogenes_: There are a number of tasks that are set to "first run", I'm not sure what they all are.
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2114 [22:55:49] <jhutchins_wk> !backports
2115 [22:55:49] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
2116 [22:55:53] <Bushmaster> yeah I see it Centurion_Dan
2117 [22:56:30] <Centurion_Dan> search for r-base
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2119 [22:56:44] <diogenes_> jhutchins_wk, is it documented somewhere?
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2121 [22:57:02] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: so there is no backports for r-base... you'll have to upgrade to testing/buster
2122 [22:57:08] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, you asked me to tick a box stretch backport right?
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2124 [22:57:54] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: yes
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2127 [22:57:59] <greycat> Centurion_Dan: no, judd says a backport is possible. So I told him how to ask dpkg to do a simple sid backport. He claims he can't follow the directions.
2128 [22:58:11] <Bushmaster> i can download r version from cran as source file with .tar.gz Centurion_Dan
2129 [22:58:29] <greycat> He claims he's not a "programmer or a unix geek". Implying that we are. Geeks. Because I am being trolled. Again.
2130 [22:58:33] <Bushmaster> i do not know where to find stretch - backport
2131 [22:58:47] <greycat> *plonk*
2132 [22:59:24] <Centurion_Dan> greycat: asking somebody non-technical to build a backport is like asking a secretary to fly an fighter jet..
2133 [22:59:52] <greycat> Asking somebody who is asking for a newer version of a programming language to follow the directions given by a bot is not analogous.
2134 [22:59:56] <Bushmaster> i do not know how to find a backport okay
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2136 [23:00:32] <greycat> I thought you were going to guide him through editing sources,list but then it all went sideways.
2137 [23:00:34] <Bushmaster> all i need is a R version which can accept R Commander
2138 [23:00:49] <Bushmaster> i can get to source list yes
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2140 [23:01:02] <Bushmaster> its in etc and then apt folder
2141 [23:01:28] <Centurion_Dan> bushmaster - current debian stable doesn't have a recent enough version of r-base to have R Commander
2142 [23:01:40] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, yes I think so
2143 [23:01:42] <Centurion_Dan> you need to upgrade to testing.
2144 [23:02:04] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, can I not get rid of this debian and install older version?
2145 [23:02:08] <greycat> I *really* do not advise upgrading to testing just to avoid having to EDIT A FUCKING TEXT FILE.
2146 [23:02:14] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: Is english your native language?
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2148 [23:02:20] <greycat> Fuck. He'd have to edit the SAME FILE ANYWAY to upgrade to testing.
2149 [23:02:27] <Bushmaster> I have Debian 8 Jessie in my other machine and it had no issue to support R Commander Centurion_Dan
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2152 [23:02:48] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, No, try to write a bit english yes
2153 [23:02:50] <greycat> He should instead edit it to add the deb-src for sid, then do what the bot said. He doesn't even have to think.
2154 [23:03:08] <n4dir> asking a non-tech person to uprade to testing is a good idea?
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2156 [23:03:30] <Bushmaster> what is testing?
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2159 [23:04:13] <Bushmaster> are you English Centurion_Dan
2160 [23:04:14] <Centurion_Dan> the testing version of debian
2161 [23:04:25] <greycat> (is not what he should be using)
2162 [23:04:28] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: Kiwi
2163 [23:04:47] <Centurion_Dan> ... from New Zealand
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2165 [23:05:00] <Bushmaster> well in that case I am a nematode
2166 [23:05:08] <Centurion_Dan> greycat: ?
2167 [23:05:36] <Centurion_Dan> yeah,maybe your right, but then I wouldn't recommend debian anymore these days either...
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2169 [23:05:56] <greycat> Centurion_Dan: we checked judd to see if there is an existing backport (no) and then if a backport is possible (yes). So he should be building a backport of r-base himself instead of sabotaging his entire system by going to testing.
2170 [23:06:18] <Centurion_Dan> is testing really that broken?
2171 [23:06:31] <greycat> It's not appropriate for this person.
2172 [23:06:32] <Bushmaster> well, if i can somehow install Debian Jessie 8 I can then install R
2173 [23:06:44] <greycat> He can't even following the instructions to send a /msg to dpkg.
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2176 [23:07:01] <greycat> We had to trigger it in the channel FOR hin.
2177 [23:07:04] <Bushmaster> can you please help me to find the ISO link of Debian Jessie 8 64 bit
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2179 [23:07:51] <Bushmaster> i can get rid of this debian version cos it has done nothing for me than wasting my time
2180 [23:08:03] <Bushmaster> call that a english
2181 [23:08:26] <greycat> He didn't know what release of Debian he was using, or how to find out, until we told him that too.
2182 [23:08:38] <wgas> replaced-url
2183 [23:08:39] <greycat> This is NOT a user who should be on testing or unstable.
2184 [23:08:52] <Bushmaster> hold on wgas
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2186 [23:09:31] <Bushmaster> wgas, it says it will not work
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2188 [23:09:36] <n4dir> isn't it rather easy to use a software version of jessie (old-stable) on stable ? Never did it myself, iirc, but it might be a choice (doing a backport yourself still being the best idea, of course)
2189 [23:09:49] <greycat> n4dir: it can be, depending on the dependency situation
2190 [23:09:54] <wgas> MAY not work
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2192 [23:10:16] <Bushmaster> am I allowed to install it wgas
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2195 [23:11:56] <Bushmaster> so in debian 9 there is no way I can install R version 3.4
2196 [23:12:20] <wgas> you can try it but as says may not be available or work, it should work
2197 [23:12:24] <Bushmaster> the version they have now is R 3.3
2198 [23:12:28] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: you don't need testing.. you need to install the package r-cran-rcmdr
2199 [23:12:43] <Centurion_Dan> which is in stretch/stable.
2200 [23:12:49] <greycat> ,v r-cran-rcmdr
2201 [23:12:50] <judd> Package: r-cran-rcmdr on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8-4-1; jessie: 2.1-3-1; stretch: 2.3-2-1; buster: 2.4-4-1; sid: 2.4-4-1
2202 [23:13:14] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, how I do that?
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2204 [23:13:37] <Centurion_Dan> bushmaster on the command line "sudo apt install r-cran-rcmdr"
2205 [23:13:47] <Bushmaster> there is no sudo
2206 [23:13:51] <Bushmaster> i can su Centurion_Dan
2207 [23:14:00] <Bushmaster> hold on
2208 [23:14:37] <Centurion_Dan> then su and don't use "sudo"
2209 [23:14:58] <Bushmaster> it hang
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2211 [23:15:10] <Bushmaster> black vertical bar and nothing Centurion_Dan
2212 [23:15:44] <Centurion_Dan> su -c apt install r-cran r-cran-rcmdr
2213 [23:15:59] <Centurion_Dan> nope..
2214 [23:16:00] <Bushmaster> i put "" before
2215 [23:16:08] <greycat> don't get fancy
2216 [23:16:15] <Bushmaster> he did
2217 [23:16:19] <Centurion_Dan> yeah don't include the quotes...
2218 [23:16:24] <Bushmaster> hold on
2219 [23:16:33] <Centurion_Dan> so su to get root and then
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2221 [23:16:46] <Centurion_Dan> apt-get install ...
2222 [23:17:04] <Centurion_Dan> you can figure the rest of that line out...
2223 [23:17:16] <Centurion_Dan> ...
2224 [23:17:17] <Bushmaster> hold on
2225 [23:17:40] <Centurion_Dan> bye
2226 [23:18:11] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, its doing something and i think it is working
2227 [23:18:27] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, is Kwi is a fruit or bird?
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2229 [23:18:53] <Bushmaster> it says 84 packages are newly installed and it is doing it
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2231 [23:19:32] <Bushmaster> greycat, cat, Centurion_Dan never thought I am a troll and he helped me, although it may not work,. but good help
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2234 [23:20:58] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, command line is running fast, saying unpacking
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2236 [23:21:16] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, its back to roo now
2237 [23:21:19] <Bushmaster> root now
2238 [23:21:25] <Bushmaster> what you want me to do now Centurion_Dan
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2241 [23:22:45] <axiom_1> question, should I go with nftables or bpf?
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2243 [23:23:40] <Bushmaster> Centurion_Dan, it did not work
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2267 [23:41:05] <Kalavera> hey guys, I am facing an issue with all the network interfaces showing NO-CARRIER
2268 [23:41:10] <Kalavera> no matters what I do
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2274 [23:43:39] <Kalavera> is there a workaround for this kind of situations
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2281 [23:50:00] <Centurion_Dan> Bushmaster: so rcmdr doesn
2282 [23:50:07] <Centurion_Dan> 't work?
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2284 [23:50:56] <Centurion_Dan> Kalavera: how did you get to that state?
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2286 [23:53:24] <Kalavera> I have installed a Proxmox server and tried to connect the network but it doesnt. I have tested the same cable on an ubuntu laptop and it works and the dhcp assign an IP address but on the server it doesnt. The hardware, a single network card with 4 ports, is recognized by the OS and assign the names eno1 . . . eno4
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2289 [23:53:53] <Kalavera> but further than that it doesnt do much , I can only ping the same interface but not the rest of network
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2291 [23:54:04] <Kalavera> Centurion_Dan: thank you for answering
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2299 [23:57:35] <Centurion_Dan> do you have the firmware installed?
2300 [23:58:41] <Centurion_Dan> I don't really know proxmox but presumably it's based on debian or you woudln't be here..
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