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56 [00:43:12] <Megaf> folks, whats the kernel mail list address?
57 [00:43:15] <Megaf> The debian one
58 [00:43:44] <Megaf> or maybe you can answer my doubt here
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60 [00:44:02] <Megaf> why we don't have non real time preemptive kernels anymore on Debian?
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63 [00:46:22] <Kadigan> Hey. Does Debian current stable now have Apache2 with HTTP/2 support in its repo? I'm looking at a guide from Feb 2018 that says I need to add ondrej's repo.
64 [00:47:51] <Kadigan> (I'm mainly asking because every tutorial on setting it up I'm finding is claiming something different...)
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66 [00:48:05] <mason> Megaf: replaced-url
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111 [01:30:27] <mellotto> hi there
112 [01:30:30] <mellotto> quick one: I just got a freshly installed debian. when opening the system settings in plasma, the button "get new themes' is missing.
113 [01:30:32] <mellotto> is this a kown issue? any clue?
114 [01:35:28] <jim> what version of debian?
115 [01:36:15] <mellotto> latest
116 [01:36:23] <mellotto> fresh installation
117 [01:36:43] <jim> what does it say when you do: cat /etc/debian_version
118 [01:36:49] <mellotto> Linux poseidon 4.9.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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120 [01:37:07] <mellotto> 9.5
121 [01:37:21] <jim> ok, so that's latest stable
122 [01:37:30] <mellotto> yeap
123 [01:37:33] <jim> aka stretch
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125 [01:38:04] <mellotto> when I open the settings menu, i dont see the button... which I am very used to it. (since long KDE age....
126 [01:39:24] <mellotto> please open Settings, then "workspace Themes
127 [01:39:33] <jim> is it possible there's a #debian-kde channel? not chasing you away, as far as I know you're welcome to idle... and, I don't personally know of that issue... that said, I am running the same thing, let me see
128 [01:39:45] <mellotto> normally, in the bottom rigth, you see "get new themes" button.
129 [01:39:54] <mellotto> i dont see it. button is missing.
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132 [01:40:44] <mellotto> sure
133 [01:41:34] <jim> it's got 4 buttons down the left side, and 2 buttons across, more to the right. the title above the 2 buttons says Look And Feel
134 [01:41:52] <jim> that sound like what you see?
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136 [01:42:55] <mellotto> Open "Look and Feel"
137 [01:43:20] <mellotto> do you have a button next to check box "use desktop layout from theme" ?
138 [01:43:23] <mellotto> i dont.
139 [01:43:53] <jim> I don't either
140 [01:44:11] <mellotto> what??!?
141 [01:44:33] <jim> I have a checkbox
142 [01:44:34] <mellotto> previous version showed that button....
143 [01:45:04] <mellotto> pure KDE on other distros (like slack and gentoo) also shows the button.
144 [01:45:06] <usney> what is backports all about?
145 [01:45:13] <mellotto> Debian used to show as well....
146 [01:45:23] <jim> one sec
147 [01:46:23] <jim> usney, first, you should never install a -binary- package from a different dist, or from debian of a different version from the one you run... however,
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149 [01:46:40] <mellotto> jim: if you search google for that you will also find sbcreenshots that demonstrate what I am saying.... button is there.
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151 [01:47:38] <usney> !backports
152 [01:47:38] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
153 [01:47:44] <mellotto> "KDE look and fell window" google search will show you what I am saying
154 [01:47:46] <jim> usney, you can get the debianized source for packages in versions of debian other than the ones you run
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157 [01:48:50] <jim> if you tell the debian build system to build from this source, it will do so, and then create debian packages suitable for installation on your version
158 [01:49:05] <jim> usney, these packages are called backports
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161 [01:50:52] <noord> Hey, I just installed debian stretch and am facing an issue while setting up remote intranet vpn, vpn works(it spits output from external interface). but I doesnt respond requests from other ports which listens localhost:XXX , here is my iptables-save output replaced-url
162 [01:51:11] <jim> for example, if you want to install something from sid, do not install the binary package directly... at worst, it will put you into dependency hell... at best, it will trigger an upgrade to sid, which you will have to complete by the usual manner later
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164 [01:52:31] <noord> s/but I/but It/g
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166 [01:53:14] <jim> usney, but if you enable (with deb-src lines) the sid sources, then you can get a good many source packages, whichever one you want, and you can build it
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168 [01:54:47] <jim> usney, for more info on that, either put !ssb into the channel (in which case we all get to see the bot explain), or /msg dpkg ssb
169 [01:55:07] <jim> and it will reply by msg, and the rest of us see nothing
170 [01:57:09] <usney> !ssb
171 [01:57:09] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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173 [01:57:44] <jim> three guesses which one he did :)
174 [01:58:50] <usney> how do you enable backports?
175 [02:00:04] <jim> you mean already built backported packages?
176 [02:00:15] <jim> or do you want to do the backport yourself?
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178 [02:01:44] <jim> !debian-backports
179 [02:01:44] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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182 [02:03:07] <usney> 2) enable debian-backports jim
183 [02:03:44] <usney> let's say I wanted to install the latest gimp 2.10
184 [02:03:51] <usney> how'd I do that in backports?
185 [02:03:56] <jim> on debian 9?
186 [02:04:00] <usney> yup
187 [02:04:05] <usney> debian 9.5
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189 [02:04:29] <jim> ,v gimp
190 [02:04:30] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u3; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.2-1; sid: 2.10.2-1
191 [02:05:02] <usney> nice so I need to install a buster package?
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193 [02:05:06] <usney> how do I do that?
194 [02:05:11] <usney> I am new to backports
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196 [02:05:36] <usney> but I have complied programs on debian systems before
197 [02:05:50] <jim> you would build the buster package from its source, it looks like gimp is not backported officially (but that doesn't stop you from doing it)_
198 [02:06:31] <usney> like I had to for a game once because it wasn't working right
199 [02:06:38] <jim> !deb-src sid
200 [02:06:39] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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202 [02:06:59] <usney> so buster is sid?
203 [02:07:18] <jim> no, but the same version is in sid, and it was just handy
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205 [02:07:45] <jim> buster is testing, the next debian that will become stable and get released
206 [02:08:08] <usney> yes I know that much :)
207 [02:08:19] <jim> ,checkbackport gimp
208 [02:08:29] <judd> Backporting package gimp in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gegl (>= 0.4.2), libbabl-dev (>= 0.1.50), libfontconfig1-dev (>= 2.12.4), libgegl-dev (>= 0.4.2), libgexiv2-dev (>= 0.10.6), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.54.2), libheif-dev (>= 1.1.0), libmypaint-dev (>= 1.3.0), libwebp-dev (>= 0.6.0), mypaint-brushes.
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210 [02:09:13] <usney> damn so you would have to backport all those packages?
211 [02:10:02] <usney> are backports already complied deb packages or are they built from source only?
212 [02:10:07] <jim> looks like you're gonna have trouble with backporting gimp... so, you could just build gimp to install into either your home dir, /usr/local or something like /opt/gimp
213 [02:10:35] <jim> the /opt place, not sure what the best practices there are
214 [02:10:37] <usney> thanks gime
215 [02:10:48] <usney> jim
216 [02:11:13] <usney> so all the dependencies and gimp should be in the same directory?
217 [02:11:25] <usney> to keep it from the stable release
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221 [02:13:43] <kaiser> hello, im having issues with my bluetooth headphones, they seem to pair just fine, and connect just fine, but i dont receive any audio. when i look at my audio devices only my mobo's jack is visible, not my headphones.
222 [02:14:06] <kaiser> so it seems the issue isnt connecting, but actually using these headphones as an audio devicwe
223 [02:14:09] <kaiser> device*
224 [02:15:04] <jim> you can get the gimp source tarball from gnu.org or somewhere :), then you would untar the gimp source somewhere, probably your home dir is best, then you should read the installation docs, especially those that lay out the build dependencies (which you would find and install, some are packaged, some may not be), and then you can run the ./configure script, and set the --prefix to somewhere like /home/youruser/gimp-210inst, then you can try building
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226 [02:15:29] <jim> if you have all the build dependencies installed, it should work
227 [02:16:46] <jim> then after that, you'll need to alter your .bashrc (or similar for your shell) to add the gimp path and add the gimp library path to the var LD_LIBRARY_PATH
228 [02:17:32] <jim> PLEASE NOTE CAREFULLY, this is an -adventure-, and you may or may not return unscathed
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232 [02:18:49] <jim> stick around, and if you get stuck, myself or someone who likely knows better, will try to unstick you
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235 [02:19:42] <jim> usney, so it -is- gimp you want to get the latest version of?
236 [02:21:45] <jim> usney, by the way, gimp uses scheme as a scripting language for gimp... you may wish to learn scheme... I have ideas for that too, should you be interested
237 [02:23:27] <usney> cool
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240 [02:24:43] <jim> (scheme happens to be a dialect of lisp)
241 [02:24:49] <kaiser> im trying to use bluedevil now, the kde tool for bluetooth headsets. everytime i try to set my headset up, it errors out with "the setup of bose ae2 soundlink has failed"
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246 [02:29:44] <kaiser> now im using bluetoothctl, still no success
247 [02:37:13] <usney> going to the store to buy some pop corn jim
248 [02:37:20] <usney> be back
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256 [02:53:27] <halvors> Hi, i'm trying to install Debian on my computer, but can't seem to get it to boot after install. I have a Intel fakeraid present on my computer, and need to use it for compability with other OS'es. I've installed Debian 9.5 with the "dmraid=true" flag added to the parameter during installation. But after rebooting grub doesn't seem to manage to boot my system. Any ideas how to fix this?
257 [02:55:25] <halvors> I've tried following these instructions, but i'm lost at step 10, dmraid partitions is not showing up. replaced-url
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309 [04:06:41] <mrec> hi, does anyone know how to put spam mail into an extra folder using exim4?
310 [04:06:57] <mrec> the exim documentation is ridiculous ...
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321 [04:17:30] <GenTooMan> Look up spam in the git hub wiki for it? As for rediculous welcome to "this era" of documentation.
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323 [04:18:43] <halvors> Hi, anyone knows how to get debian to boot with fakeraid?
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325 [04:19:15] <GenTooMan> mrec: Look up spam in the git hub wiki for it? As for rediculous welcome to "this era" of documentation.
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328 [04:20:42] <halvors> This guide is supposed to fix it right?
329 [04:20:43] <halvors> replaced-url
330 [04:21:11] <halvors> But i'm stuck on step 10, no /dev/dm-? device is showing up in rescue mode
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333 [04:25:54] <halvors> Anyone knows what i'm doing wrong?
334 [04:25:58] <mrec> GenTooMan: figured it out already... and yes the exim documentation is terrible...
335 [04:26:16] <mrec> didn't get it from the documentation rather than "guessing"
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350 [04:53:35] <Epic_Null> Hello everyone! I'm installing Debian for the first time (My other computers run Ubuntu), and the installer is asking me if i would like to use a newtork mirror. Is that just the upstream repository that the package manager pulls updates from, or is that something else?
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355 [05:08:18] <mason> Epic_Null: It's the mirror from which you pull packages.
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358 [05:13:19] <Epic_Null> Okay, thank you
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463 [08:02:46] <rpifan> how do i fix this annoying apt error cryptsetup: WARNING: The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries
464 [08:02:47] <rpifan> nor crypto modules. If that's on purpose, you may want to uninstall the
465 [08:02:47] <rpifan> 'cryptsetup-initramfs' package in order to disable the cryptsetup initramfs
466 [08:02:47] <rpifan> integration and avoid this warning.
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611 [10:21:40] <ElDiabolo> Hi. With multiarch I should be able to run amd64 binaries on i386, correct?
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622 [10:40:39] <kopper> ElDiabolo: If your hardware is capable to handle 64bit then it should be doable
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633 [10:55:25] <ElDiabolo> kopper, Is there anything else needed? I get an "Kann die Binärdatei nicht ausführen: Fehler im Format der Programmdatei"
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638 [10:57:31] <dob1> hi, I would like to install debian on a new pc but keep the home partition. During the installation I can specify which partition I would like to use for home without formatting it right? but how does it works for users and permission? if during the installtion I create an user it will be mapped to the right home directory with the right permissions/owner
639 [10:57:32] <dob1> ?
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649 [11:06:52] <no_gravity> I want to measure the quality of a wifi connection. Is mtr a good tool for it?
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653 [11:07:59] <usney> how do I know if my cpu has vulnerabilities?
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655 [11:08:14] <dutchfish> ElDiabolo, those errors mostly relate to static libraries included that has been outdated. Either update your system or look for newer version of the software that you installed manually.
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659 [11:09:36] <dutchfish> ElDiabolo, maybe can you tell us, what package and what version you are running?
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662 [11:12:44] <no_gravity> I have Strange ping times: machine1->router is about 1.6ms. ping machine2->router is about 2.7ms. ping machine1->machine2 is about 70ms.
663 [11:12:48] <no_gravity> Any ideas how that can be?
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667 [11:16:23] <dutchfish> no_gravity, maybe you want a watch on sudo iwconfig wlan0 | grep -i --color signal
668 [11:16:40] <dutchfish> (signal strength)
669 [11:17:19] <dutchfish> no_gravity, or: watch -n 1 cat /proc/net/wireless
670 [11:17:44] <dutchfish> no_gravity, monitor for rapid drop downs
671 [11:17:57] <no_gravity> dutchfish: -68 dBm on machine 1 and -41 dBm on machine 2.
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673 [11:18:25] <dutchfish> no_gravity, -41 is okish, -68 dBm is poor
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677 [11:19:31] <no_gravity> Interesting. But why can machine 1 senda ping to the router fast but not to machine 2?
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679 [11:19:36] <dutchfish> no_gravity, any drops below -72dBm will produce errors and drops
680 [11:19:51] <no_gravity> How do I watch the combined command?
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682 [11:20:43] <dutchfish> no_gravity, no idea about the routing or firewalling, ping is not anymore supported always over wifi. Depends on your router and client config.
683 [11:21:14] <dutchfish> no_gravity, some consider ping enabled a security issue.
684 [11:21:39] <no_gravity> Well, it seems to be enabled.
685 [11:21:57] <dutchfish> no_gravity, check out signal strength first, then scrutenise your router setup
686 [11:22:24] <no_gravity> I thought I already checked the signal strength?
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688 [11:22:32] <dutchfish> no_gravity, hard to tell what is causing the problems without thorough investigation
689 [11:23:10] <dutchfish> no_gravity, specially monitor (long term) for signal drops or sognal strength drops
690 [11:23:17] <dutchfish> signal*
691 [11:23:26] <dutchfish> (most common cause)
692 [11:23:27] <no_gravity> I still did not figure out how to watch the signal strength.
693 [11:23:49] <dutchfish> no_gravity, i just gave that: watch -n 1 cat /proc/net/wireless
694 [11:24:00] <no_gravity> Ok
695 [11:24:13] <no_gravity> level -61 noise -256
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697 [11:24:35] <dutchfish> no_gravity, also a high retry count can indicate hardware problems
698 [11:24:51] <no_gravity> retry 11 misc 162
699 [11:24:59] <dutchfish> no_gravity, watch it for at least 15 minutes or so
700 [11:25:11] <no_gravity> Why that?
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702 [11:25:48] <dutchfish> no_gravity, because alot can interfear sporadically (things like other wifi routers messing it up, QRM and what not)
703 [11:25:59] <no_gravity> Well, the connection is sluggis all the time.
704 [11:26:14] <no_gravity> ping from machine1 to machine2 is 60ms.
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706 [11:26:19] <dutchfish> no_gravity, yes, you told me
707 [11:26:19] <no_gravity> And I wonder why.
708 [11:27:05] <no_gravity> Since both machines can ping the router fast, I tend to think its not the connection between a machine and the router.
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710 [11:27:50] <dutchfish> no_gravity, have you tried other channels?
711 [11:27:58] <dutchfish> (wifi channels)
712 [11:28:04] <no_gravity> One moment .. let me try ...
713 [11:28:11] <no_gravity> Might cause my connection to drop. Not sure.
714 [11:28:33] <dutchfish> no_gravity, yes, changing channels will drop the connection
715 [11:28:55] <dutchfish> no_gravity, try to find the best channel first
716 [11:29:04] <no_gravity> I meant the irc connection.
717 [11:29:08] <no_gravity> Looks like it survived.
718 [11:29:54] <dutchfish> no_gravity, your quality link and level and noise will tell you what channel is best
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720 [11:30:07] <no_gravity> ping times machine1->machine2 still all over the place. between 22ms and 102ms.
721 [11:30:31] <dutchfish> no_gravity, focus on quality first, then look for the ping problems
722 [11:30:59] <no_gravity> What is that "Modus" setting of the router? It has "b&g", "only b" and only "g".
723 [11:31:54] <dutchfish> no_gravity, bg = both n and g. Sometimes choosing only noe can eleviate problems, see the wikis.
724 [11:32:04] <dutchfish> s/noe/one
725 [11:32:10] <no_gravity> I have no idea what g and b are.
726 [11:32:36] <dutchfish> no_gravity, replaced-url
727 [11:32:51] <dutchfish> oops, sorry for the dutch, there is an english one out there too
728 [11:33:32] <no_gravity> Tried 5 channels so far and all have about the same quality.
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731 [11:34:24] <dutchfish> no_gravity, choose the best
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733 [11:34:45] <dutchfish> no_gravity, sometimes there is no real difference.
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735 [11:35:47] <no_gravity> level always hovers between -55 and -61.
736 [11:36:01] <dutchfish> no_gravity, good routers do have a mechanism to autmatically find an unoccupied channel and monitor for the best link quality.
737 [11:36:22] <dutchfish> no_gravity, that is a huge difference
738 [11:36:24] <no_gravity> But the channel is not the problem.
739 [11:36:32] <no_gravity> Both machines ping the router fast.
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741 [11:36:38] <dutchfish> ok
742 [11:37:00] <dutchfish> no_gravity, again, ping times say diddly squad about link quality
743 [11:37:26] <dutchfish> no_gravity, over wifi ping times suffer always, compared to wired
744 [11:37:28] <no_gravity> I'm not interested in 'link quality'. I'm interested in how fluidly I can type in vim over ssh.
745 [11:38:38] <dutchfish> no_gravity, then consider or more modern router and interface card/dongle that support the latest 802.11 protocols
746 [11:38:54] <no_gravity> Might be an option, yes.
747 [11:38:59] <dutchfish> no_gravity, n and g are a bit aging
748 [11:39:21] <dutchfish> again study that wiki page
749 [11:39:22] <no_gravity> I don't have n.
750 [11:39:26] <no_gravity> Only b and g.
751 [11:39:50] <dutchfish> well, dont expect miracles from those protocols when it comes to latency
752 [11:40:09] <no_gravity> ok
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754 [11:40:40] <dutchfish> no_gravity, and dont be confused about slow ping times, that can be pretty normal, even on good connections.
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757 [11:41:32] <dutchfish> no_gravity, fyi, i ommit wifi where i can at home. Wired still rules.
758 [11:41:32] <no_gravity> I have a faster ping time to a server over the internet then I have to my other machine that sits right next to me.
759 [11:41:45] <GNU\colossus> there might be excessive buffering and queueing going on in your AP's router/bridge bits. check out "bufferbloat".
760 [11:41:47] <no_gravity> I wonder how that is possible.
761 [11:41:58] <GNU\colossus> -> replaced-url
762 [11:43:51] <dutchfish> GNU\colossus, to my humble opinion, i have seen more problems with jitter caused by low quality gear dropping the link then by bufferbloat. But surely it is worth looking at that too.
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764 [11:44:18] <no_gravity> My ping times to servers on the net are all between 46ms and 48ms
765 [11:44:21] <GNU\colossus> jitter wouldn't explain _constantly_ high latency in the network
766 [11:44:35] <no_gravity> Yet my ping times to my local machine is between 2ms and 200ms.
767 [11:45:06] <GNU\colossus> are there temporal patterns in the latency distribution?
768 [11:45:30] <no_gravity> GNU\colossus: Every ping seems to get a random time assigned :)
769 [11:45:48] <GNU\colossus> wifi client stations enagge in something called "background scanning", to check if there are APs present with the same SSID with better a signal (that's wifi client-initiated roaming)
770 [11:46:19] <no_gravity> Ha! ping machine2->machine1 is always under 10ms!
771 [11:46:25] <GNU\colossus> if you use networkmanager, you can make it prevent that by assigning the AP's BSSID statically in the connection's options
772 [11:46:33] <no_gravity> Only the ping machine1->machine2 is all over the place.
773 [11:46:37] <no_gravity> Damn .. how can that be?
774 [11:46:50] * GNU\colossus shrugs
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776 [11:47:02] <no_gravity> Maybe machine2 adds a random delay when answering a ping?
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778 [11:48:14] <GNU\colossus> test from your AP or another station to find out.
779 [11:48:29] <no_gravity> Hmm... I only have 2 machines.
780 [11:49:09] <no_gravity> ping from the AP to machine 2 is all over the place!
781 [11:49:34] <no_gravity> ping from AP to machine 1 is always fast.
782 [11:49:50] <no_gravity> ping from machine 2 to AP is always fast.
783 [11:50:02] <no_gravity> So why is the ping machine2->AP fast but AP->machine2 slow?
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790 [11:55:48] <no_gravity> Maybe machine 2 is using some heavy power saving and turns off the network between receiving pings or something?
791 [11:57:44] <no_gravity> Ha! Having machine 2 ping the AP super fast makes the pings from AP to machine 2 super fast!
792 [11:57:54] <no_gravity> That seems to confirm my power saving theory.
793 [11:58:21] <no_gravity> I have the feeling my the mystery why typing in vim over ssh is slow is solved.
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796 [11:59:59] <no_gravity> Yup!
797 [12:00:11] <no_gravity> Turned of power saving and now everything is super fast!
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800 [12:00:31] <no_gravity> Turning it on again: ping times explode!
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872 [13:11:26] <Tarrasquero> hi
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875 [13:14:53] <tyrion-mx> Hello, I am using unstable and just installed kernel 4.17.0-3. When rebooting, the system seems to work (my X session starts), but keyboard and mouse don't seem to work. Older kernels work. I tried retrieving logs using journalctl -b -1, but for some reason I am failing. Any advice/help?
876 [13:15:19] <nkuttler> !debian-next
877 [13:15:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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893 [13:29:48] <StringLiteral> hello, the account password change window keeps loading..should I assume that the password has been changed?
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903 [13:40:35] <hello121> hi
904 [13:40:40] <RoyK> ho
905 [13:40:44] <Pr0metheus> is it possible to remove epiphany AND firefox AND chrome?
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907 [13:41:11] <RoyK> Pr0metheus: apt purge …
908 [13:41:34] <RoyK> Pr0metheus: but then - there may be packages depending on a browser - why do you want to remove them?
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911 [13:41:47] <Pr0metheus> RoyK after purgin firefox, I had only epiphany left, then I tried to purge epiphany and wanted to install chrome!
912 [13:42:10] <Pr0metheus> I installed palemoon I don't want another browser, trying to cleanup
913 [13:42:14] <RoyK> chrome or chromium?
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915 [13:42:40] <RoyK> chrome is the one from google - chromium is the OSS version - mostly the same
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917 [13:43:13] <Pr0metheus> I didn't notice, but the point is that it doesn't leave without having one from the option, I don't see any dependencies in synaptic
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920 [13:43:47] <RoyK> just install chromium, test it, remove whatever else you're sure you don't need
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922 [13:44:32] <RoyK> it's still just junk lying around on your disk, so it won't hurt unless the disk is tiny
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933 [13:51:17] <chaosfisch> Is there any document describing how ipv4 compared to ipv6 is "routed" in the kernel?
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935 [13:52:06] <RoyK> chaosfisch: there are two different modules for ipv4 and ipv6 - it works well - please ask more specific
936 [13:53:08] <chaosfisch> I've got a problem where a curl to the ipv6 address works, but ipv4 doesn't if the public IP is used. If I use the internal IPv4 address then the curl works. I doubt that it is firewall related since I've setup the exact same rules for ipv4 and ipv6.
937 [13:53:16] <Pr0metheus> RoyK you were right there was one dependency in libreoffice-help, I found it with apt-cache rdepends firefox-esr
938 [13:53:57] <RoyK> chaosfisch: pastebin output of "ip -6 route list"
939 [13:54:28] <RoyK> Pr0metheus: if you're not down on diskspace, just let it stay there - it won't bother you
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942 [13:55:20] <chaosfisch> RoyK: replaced-url
943 [13:55:25] <chaosfisch> I've added ip4 too
944 [13:56:24] <RoyK> that was the tiniest ipv6 netmask I've seen so far - usually it's at least /56 or more usually /64
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946 [13:57:03] <RoyK> and btw, you're using your own ip as a gateway
947 [13:57:10] <RoyK> that rarely works well
948 [13:57:17] <chaosfisch> RoyK: yes, /127 is small - but I cant change that for now. Using ipv6 nat right now.
949 [13:57:41] <RoyK> why on earth would someone give you a /127?
950 [13:57:54] <RoyK> it's enough ipv6 addresses out there
951 [13:58:40] <chaosfisch> you're definitely right that ipv4 address + gateway look incorrect
952 [13:58:53] <Dagger> /127 is sometimes considered okay for P-t-P links. you should have a bigger block routed over the /127
953 [13:59:06] <RoyK> I was only looking t the ipv6 things
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955 [13:59:17] <RoyK> Dagger: ah - so 6rd or something?
956 [13:59:26] <Dagger> that /48 looks weird. why do you have a /48 on-link? with the possible exception of P-t-P interfaces, on-links should be /64
957 [13:59:28] <RoyK> should get a lot more than /127 for that, though
958 [13:59:48] <Dagger> no, just regular routing. normally you would do a DHCPv6-PD request to get the routed block, but it might be done with static routes too
959 [14:00:13] <RoyK> Dagger: replaced-url
960 [14:00:39] <chaosfisch> Dagger: um, I followed a recommendation for the /48 since this is an internal ipv6 address it should be ok.
961 [14:01:11] <RoyK> chaosfisch: have you got any docs from the ISP for your ipv6 setup?
962 [14:01:21] <RoyK> chaosfisch: something smells a bit fishy
963 [14:01:42] <Dagger> yeah, whoever wrote that recommendation doesn't have much v6 experience. use /64s for onlinks
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966 [14:03:19] <chaosfisch> RoyK: no documentation on hand for that. What I can tell you is that /127 is currently the largest subnet I can get. I will get a larger one in a few months hopefully. IPv6 is the part that's working. The ipv4 one isn't properly.
967 [14:03:42] <Dagger> using anything in fc00::/8 is also wrong, since we haven't defined an allocation policy for that space yet. if you must use ULA, pick a random /48 from fd00::/8 (and then pick /64s from that)
968 [14:03:53] <chaosfisch> It is possible that I've not configured the public ipv4 address properly, so I need to the read the docs for that.
969 [14:04:47] <RoyK> chaosfisch: can I read those docs, please? You can't just hand out /127 nets without getting your head blown out
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977 [14:09:14] <chaosfisch> RoyK: no cant give you any. Documentation is lacking parts with regards to networking.
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982 [14:11:50] <RoyK> chaosfisch: ewll, then I can't help you
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984 [14:12:22] <chaosfisch> RoyK: no problem, I think I got the problem, and trying a fix right now
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989 [14:21:28] <chaosfisch> Yeah, I've added the public ip to the interface now. Before the packets got probably dropped at some point since srcip and dstip was likely to be the same. So, if my system didnt drop it, probably the next router did?
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997 [14:28:14] <RoyK> chaosfisch: if you're talking about ipv6, is this native ipv6 or just 6rd or something else?
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999 [14:28:29] <RoyK> if it's native ip, the config looked broken
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1003 [14:30:14] <mihoko> #flood
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1006 [14:30:30] <RoyK> mihoko: what?
1007 [14:31:48] <mihoko> Sorry , first time on irc , no clue :-/
1008 [14:32:02] <RoyK> try /j #flood or just use a pastebin
1009 [14:32:49] <chaosfisch> RoyK: unknown actually, /64 subnets are coming soon however.
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1011 [14:32:54] <mihoko> Ok ,thanks
1012 [14:33:04] <RoyK> chaosfisch: good
1013 [14:34:28] <chaosfisch> RoyK: because its /127 only right now the firewall settings contain ipv6 nat on my end. That's fine for now.
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1015 [14:37:23] <RoyK> nat too… ouch
1016 [14:37:29] <RoyK> ipv6 isn't made for nat
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1018 [14:37:51] <chaosfisch> RoyK: at least that's what it wasn't intended for. but it works.
1019 [14:38:02] <RoyK> "works"
1020 [14:38:07] <RoyK> still - that sucks
1021 [14:39:20] <RoyK> hey, get a new Tesla and connect some old rubber bands to the steering wheel and the electronics, and use cassette player to control it!
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1043 [15:03:23] <multi_io> is snapshot.debian.org having some problems?
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1045 [15:03:57] <multi_io> Err:1 replaced-url
1046 [15:04:01] <multi_io> 503 Service Unavailable [IP: 185.17.185.185 80]
1047 [15:04:14] <multi_io> I apt-get updated to that less than a month ago
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1052 [15:05:32] <multi_io> oh, they switched off http?
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1054 [15:08:49] <multi_io> hm, no
1055 [15:09:39] <multi_io> replaced-url
1056 [15:09:44] <multi_io> replaced-url
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1058 [15:10:21] <multi_io> apt-get install requests the first one (without the trailing /), so it fails.
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1060 [15:11:09] <multi_io> so they've broken it.
1061 [15:11:10] <multi_io> ?
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1065 [15:13:47] <themill> apt-get install does nothing of the sort
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1069 [15:18:06] <multi_io> replaced-url
1070 [15:18:16] <multi_io> ^^ it worked on the 2nd attempt
1071 [15:18:32] <multi_io> now replaced-url
1072 [15:18:52] <multi_io> now it's up again.
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1074 [15:19:42] <themill> it has 2 IP addresses; perhaps one of the machines is unhappy
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1077 [15:20:32] <multi_io> themill: ok, so it only requests the package files directly I figure? I was confused by the output and the fact that the site seems to be flaky
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1106 [15:58:57] <halvors> I'm trying to install debian on my computer with fakeraid from Intel, i've followed this: replaced-url
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1109 [15:59:49] <halvors> The system is now unbootable, and i'm promted to "(initramfs)" command line, problem seems to be that it doesn't detect the partitions on the fakeraid disk, but it does detect the disk itself.
1110 [16:00:29] <halvors> Hope anyone can help me workaround this, as i'd really like to switch to Debian from Ubuntu as it getting bloated with non-free software.
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1113 [16:04:45] <RoyK> halvors: don't use fakerid ;)
1114 [16:05:15] <halvors> That not the answer, i need it for other oses.
1115 [16:05:37] <halvors> This is no problem in Ubuntu, so shouldn't be a big deal in Debian either.
1116 [16:05:57] <halvors> RoyK: I guess i should not use Debian as well then?
1117 [16:06:06] <RoyK> sorry - never used fakeraid
1118 [16:06:25] <blackflow> "bloated with non-free" and then you use proprietary fakeraid instead of mdadm. *golfclap*
1119 [16:06:53] <halvors> blackflow: As i said, for compability.
1120 [16:07:29] <halvors> blackflow: Alternative is keep using Ubuntu with fakeraid, or i could get Debian to boot with fakeraid.
1121 [16:07:48] <blackflow> don't use fakeraid. if you want compatibility, use a proper hw raid card.
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1124 [16:09:30] <halvors> blackflow: As i said, i am not going to switch it. Alternative is keep using Ubuntu or get it to work with Debian.
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1126 [16:10:44] <halvors> blackflow: Why does everyone when presented with a problem in the Debian community have the attitude like this: "My car is broken, may you help me fix it?" answer "Your car is broken, then just buy a new one".
1127 [16:10:49] <blackflow> maybe "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"? other than "non-free bloatware" (which is not really true), is anything broken? I know this is #debian, but really, is the switching effort worth it?
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1129 [16:11:22] <halvors> Seems "kpartx" package is not installed on Debian.
1130 [16:11:34] <blackflow> halvors: no you're the one trying to buy a new one (get a new distro) based on some vague and quite likely untrue assumptions.
1131 [16:11:56] <blackflow> if you want debian because you _want_ Debian that's perfectly fine. but is that the case?
1132 [16:12:06] <halvors> Yes,
1133 [16:13:09] <halvors> replaced-url
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1137 [16:19:30] <rant> yes your issue many hours ago was trivially vague..
1138 [16:19:45] <rant> pastebin some lsmod output or something
1139 [16:19:54] <blackflow> halvors: no if you can't mount root in which you install packages. so, you got to step #9 from that wiki, but there's no /dev/dm-* stuff to complete step #10?
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1142 [16:20:46] <halvors> rant: lsmod without a bootable system, and i cannot mount root in recovery, how?
1143 [16:21:29] * blackflow has this nagging suspicion that people are strongly advising _against_ fakeraid for a reason...
1144 [16:21:43] <halvors> blackflow: Yeah, "/dev/dm" is not showing up in rescue mode.
1145 [16:22:44] <halvors> blackflow: I was intended to add "dmraid=true" to the end of the kernel parameter as in installation at step #3 right?
1146 [16:22:59] <blackflow> halvors: lsmod | grep dm_mod showing anything?
1147 [16:23:03] <rant> halvors: I'm talking about the current issue of trying to follow this howto and not cinding the /dev/dm.. you are in something..
1148 [16:23:09] <rant> and that something should have lsmod
1149 [16:23:16] <blackflow> halvors: well yes, did you follow that wiki step by step?
1150 [16:23:31] <halvors> Yeah.
1151 [16:23:56] <rant> the idea here is to see if proper drivers are loaded for your controller and for device mapper
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1153 [16:24:15] <blackflow> right, so better pastebin entire lsmod, like rant suggests
1154 [16:24:18] <halvors> rant: Atleast "dm_mod" is loaded in "/proc/modules" in the promt i'm stuck in when booting.
1155 [16:24:32] <halvors> blackflow: I do not have access to it...
1156 [16:24:44] <rant> personally I've setup a fakeraid install MANY years ago and I never did anything remotely like all this fuss
1157 [16:25:17] <rant> I just ran through the installer like normal and it worked
1158 [16:25:54] <halvors> Seems installer is working just fine, it's detecting partitions, and installing the bootloader to the correct parition. Problem is that that partition is not present during boot, only the the entire disk.
1159 [16:26:08] <blackflow> same here, and 'twas years ago so I don't remember all the details. but iirc, now that you mention it, there wre more than one module, one geneirc (dm_mod now) and one specific to the controller on the mobo
1160 [16:26:47] <rant> the whole idea of any raid is that the controller presents an array of disks to the OS as a single disk
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1162 [16:27:09] <rant> this isn't really any different in case of a fakeraid unless the OS is not loading proper drivers
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1164 [16:27:33] <rant> or the fakeraid isnt properly setup in the BIOS
1165 [16:27:47] <halvors> Yeah, but as it'
1166 [16:28:04] <halvors> s working fine in Ubuntu, something have to be different with Debian.
1167 [16:28:17] <halvors> replaced-url
1168 [16:28:27] <rant> a lot is different, thats why they have different names :P
1169 [16:28:53] <blackflow> yeah, well, suprise surprise, ubuntu != debian. "based on" is..... very loosely based on.
1170 [16:29:00] <halvors> replaced-url
1171 [16:29:16] <blackflow> hence my original question, is this really worth the switch. a lot of things are different in debian. if it ain't broken, don't fix it? *shrug*
1172 [16:29:43] <halvors> blackflow: But Ubuntu is kindof broken now.
1173 [16:29:53] <blackflow> kindof isn't :)
1174 [16:30:06] <blackflow> different distro, different goals.
1175 [16:30:07] <rant> ubuntu breaks often in my experience due to their time based release schedule
1176 [16:30:30] <halvors> Yeah it is, with all the switch back and forth with unity, snaps, mir etc.
1177 [16:30:46] <rant> heh.. snaps.. that one still cracks me up
1178 [16:30:53] <halvors> Yeah.
1179 [16:31:18] <rant> snaps are what you call crack heads that are constantly trying to buy small bits of crack
1180 [16:31:27] <halvors> rant: It does not fit with the UI, and it wastes resources like hell.
1181 [16:31:54] <rant> idk what ubuntu calls snaps.. I just know what snaps means on the streets :P
1182 [16:32:20] <blackflow> then... don't use snaps? they're a containerized app delivery platform, designed to bring software straight from the vendor with no maintainership middleman. it's a different paradigm. don't have to use it.
1183 [16:32:48] <blackflow> shitting on tech because it doesn't fit your use cases is..... dumb to say the least.
1184 [16:33:27] <rant> well so is entertaining and defending use of ubuntu in a debian support channel, in a manner of speaking
1185 [16:33:43] <rant> especially when the user seems to want to resolve an issue and switch to debian
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1187 [16:34:10] <blackflow> fine, fine.
1188 [16:34:39] <rant> onlything I've done recently that is remotely applicable here is setting up a cryptroot which also uses dm
1189 [16:34:50] <rant> and I did have to make modifications to initramfs
1190 [16:35:00] <rant> to support dm in the early boot stages
1191 [16:35:08] <blackflow> like I said, if someone wants to use Debian, that's super awesome. I just get very amused at all the fake-ideologic "non-free vs free" hypocritical bs.
1192 [16:35:17] <halvors> But why is fakeraid available in installer with "dmraid=true" but not in rescue mode?
1193 [16:35:23] <halvors> rant: What did you alter?
1194 [16:36:08] <rant> well I don't recall exactly but basically I had to make it so update-initramfs would add the dm modules to the initramfs
1195 [16:37:02] <rant> I think you do that by adding it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules iirc
1196 [16:37:17] <rant> then everytime a kernel installs/updates and it builds initramfs it includes that
1197 [16:37:56] <blackflow> yeah that's the file
1198 [16:38:00] <rant> cause just hacking an initrd with a bonesaw doesnt really solve the issue.. you need initramfs-tools to be aware of the change so it does it everytime update-initramfs is ran
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1200 [16:38:30] <halvors> Yeah, but what module would that be? dm_mod?
1201 [16:38:31] <blackflow> question here is, which module is needed, besides dm_mod
1202 [16:38:39] <halvors> haha yeah.
1203 [16:39:00] <rant> well thats where we need more info..
1204 [16:39:18] <rant> do you still have a working ubuntu install? cause a working install would be the best place to look
1205 [16:39:31] <rant> otherwise I'd examine dmesg and lsmod in full
1206 [16:39:41] <rant> perhaps even lspci
1207 [16:39:54] <rant> cause just saying intel, fakeraid, don't work.. doesnt help me any
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1209 [16:40:26] <halvors> Yeah i'm on that ubuntu install now, also i can mount the debian install partition.
1210 [16:40:34] <rant> dm_mod is all you need for device mapper, but you may need something else for your sata
1211 [16:40:56] <halvors> So should i pastebin lspci?
1212 [16:41:04] <rant> na, we're just concerned with which kernel modules ubuntu has loaded, and also specifically which it loads during boot in initramfs
1213 [16:41:18] <RoyK> halvors: lsusb ; lshw
1214 [16:41:22] <rant> we dont need ALL the info if we have a working install
1215 [16:41:31] <rant> we just look for specifically what the issue is
1216 [16:41:46] <blackflow> well a pastebin of lsmod from ubuntu would be a good start
1217 [16:41:54] <rant> the lspci/dmesg stuff would be if we didnt have something working with the fakeraid to try figure out what is needed
1218 [16:42:18] <rant> but if we do, then we just look at lsmod and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and such there
1219 [16:42:22] <rant> see how it does what it does
1220 [16:42:33] <halvors> replaced-url
1221 [16:42:38] <rant> cause whatever its doing is obviously working
1222 [16:42:58] <rant> I'd look at all its boot related files, the initramfs configs, grub configs.. etc
1223 [16:43:09] <rant> fstab..
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1226 [16:44:20] <halvors> fstab and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is the same for both ubuntu and debian.
1227 [16:44:50] <rant> well fstab can't be the SAME
1228 [16:45:17] <halvors> But again ubuntu is using kpartx for something during boot, i suspect mount partitions at early boot, so might be that loading another module there is the solution on debian.
1229 [16:45:41] <halvors> rant: Yeah, i know, but you get what i mean, same config except partition number.
1230 [16:46:17] <rant> !kpartx
1231 [16:46:27] <rant> figured I'd see.. heh
1232 [16:46:37] <rant> but afaik thats not something that'd be done in initrd
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1234 [16:46:42] <blackflow> I don't think kpartix is relevant here
1235 [16:46:47] <blackflow> *kpartx
1236 [16:47:03] <rant> your issue is not having dm during initrd
1237 [16:47:19] <halvors> lsmod from the Ubuntu install: replaced-url
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1239 [16:47:40] <halvors> It does have some other dm_mirror modules, but not positive they're not on debian.
1240 [16:47:49] <halvors> rant: yeah.
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1243 [16:48:33] <halvors> rant: As i've said before, i have the assembled disk, just not the partitions.
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1248 [16:49:09] <catbeard> how do i get ssh_config to use mosh on a specific host
1249 [16:49:09] <rant> well I see raid6_pq which is a module specific to raid6 calculations
1250 [16:49:30] <rant> catbeard: mosh has nothing to do with ssh
1251 [16:49:55] <halvors> rant: For information, i'm running a RAID0 setup only.
1252 [16:49:56] <catbeard> right well i mean when i type ssh <host> is there a way to get it to do mosh <host> instead?
1253 [16:50:03] <catbeard> like ProxyCommand ?
1254 [16:50:39] <blackflow> halvors: you know what'd be helpful? if you did a diff -u between ubuntu's and debian's sort /proc/modules | awk '{print $1}'
1255 [16:51:02] <rant> catbeard: probably, but sounds like something annoying to even try implement. I personally type a custom command for my host which is a script that can ssh, scp, mosh, etc and it figures it out
1256 [16:51:13] <catbeard> rant: sauce?
1257 [16:51:37] <rant> cause sometimes I need to ssh to kill a stale mosh session
1258 [16:52:33] <halvors> blackflow: "between ubuntu's and debian's" is the text part of this command, which files to diff?
1259 [16:53:08] <blackflow> halvors: you'd have to boot into that debian rescue shell and see which mods are missing from debian
1260 [16:53:08] <catbeard> i really only need to apply it to specific host/ip wildcards
1261 [16:53:14] <catbeard> the rest can use regular ssh with ed25519
1262 [16:53:46] <blackflow> catbeard: since mosh wraps around ssh, not sure that's possible
1263 [16:54:01] <halvors> blackflow: So rescue shell as in "(initramfs)" or as in rescue mode in installer?
1264 [16:54:32] <halvors> blackflow: I would have to take a picture or something.
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1266 [16:55:42] <rant> halvors: in that case dm_mirror seems to be what it actually being required
1267 [16:56:05] <blackflow> halvors: the one that fails to show /dev/dm at step #10 of that wiki. there should be networking available for some pastebin sweetness. I don't recall, but if nc is available, you can | nc termbin.com 9999
1268 [16:56:25] <blackflow> rant: dm_mirror for raid0?
1269 [16:56:36] <catbeard> rant: replaced-url
1270 [16:56:56] <rant> the dm_mod is all thats needed in the initramfs afaik
1271 [16:56:59] <halvors> rant: Sounds like raid 1?
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1273 [16:57:12] * rant shrugs
1274 [16:57:18] <rant> I always get those backwards :P
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1277 [16:58:10] <blackflow> it's possible that the module covers both 0 and 1 levels
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1279 [16:58:31] <rant> catbeard: yeah seems silly to me.. but w/e
1280 [16:59:35] <rant> I only use this for accessing my father's machine, and I just have a script with his username /usr/local/bin/username which runs mosh or if I tell it to, will run ssh, scp, or other commands to his host
1281 [16:59:51] <rant> I wouldnt go trying to make a command I use for everything else do something special just for him
1282 [17:00:11] <rant> to me thats where you create a custom command
1283 [17:00:15] <halvors> rant: blackflow: How to update initramfs from my Ubuntu install?
1284 [17:00:31] <rant> halvors: on debian you mean?
1285 [17:00:42] <halvors> rant: Well for debian.
1286 [17:00:47] <halvors> I cannot boot it :P
1287 [17:00:50] <rant> halvors: mount the debian rootfs, chroot to it, run update-initramfs -u
1288 [17:01:34] <rant> i.e. mount /dev/debian-root-fs /mnt; chroot /mnt
1289 [17:01:45] <halvors> thanks :)
1290 [17:01:55] <rant> you may however want to bind some things first
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1292 [17:02:11] <halvors> rant: what do you mean?
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1294 [17:02:34] <rant> for i in proc sys dev; mount --bind "$i" /mnt/"$i"; done
1295 [17:02:47] <halvors> Um what does it do?
1296 [17:02:53] <rant> things like grub and initramfs-tools and such may need access to /proc /sys or /dev
1297 [17:03:07] <rant> when in a chroot they dont have access to that unless you bind them into the chroott
1298 [17:03:50] <rant> which will result in errors doing things like update-initramfs or grub-install
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1300 [17:04:18] <blackflow> mount --bind "/$i" ....
1301 [17:04:23] <blackflow> or cd to /dev first
1302 [17:04:36] <blackflow> also not sure about binding proc, I always just mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc
1303 [17:04:39] <rant> ah right :P
1304 [17:04:57] <rant> forgot the / in there :P
1305 [17:05:07] <blackflow> and use --rbind due to descendant filesystems like /dev/shm or whatwasit
1306 [17:05:38] <halvors> Ok so i'm in chroot, i've not done the commands you sent me, i have to exit chroot first right?
1307 [17:05:55] <rant> the binding has to take place from outside, yes
1308 [17:05:56] <blackflow> halvors: yes, to mount these paths
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1310 [17:06:07] <halvors> It's complaining about "/usr/sbin/update-initramfs: 184: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied"
1311 [17:06:11] <halvors> How to exit chroot?
1312 [17:06:16] <blackflow> `exit`
1313 [17:06:24] <halvors> oh :O
1314 [17:06:31] <blackflow> chroot starts (current) shell, so you treat it as any shell
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1316 [17:06:55] <blackflow> the chroot(8) command, that is.
1317 [17:07:10] <blackflow> where $SHELL is the implicit command
1318 [17:08:45] <rant> generically speaking /dev is where the kernel binds all hardware, /proc is internal kernel data and /sys is a kernel config interface, and without any of those a chroot is just a userland with no access to any kernel/hardware structures
1319 [17:09:04] <rant> and most chroot rescue ops require this
1320 [17:09:06] <halvors> rant: It's complaining about syntax error near "mount": replaced-url
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1322 [17:09:16] <halvors> Do you see an error here?
1323 [17:09:26] <ayekat> halvors: you need a `do` after the first ;
1324 [17:09:48] <ayekat> for ... ; do ... ; done
1325 [17:09:57] <halvors> ayekat: Thansk
1326 [17:10:00] <halvors> Thanks*
1327 [17:10:15] <blackflow> technically, chroot is just a namespace where top level / becomes the dir you ch(ange) root into, as such /mnt/somepath/dev will become /dev and thus has to be populated with dev stuff (and so proc and sys)
1328 [17:10:26] <rant> ah yeah, forgot the do as well :P
1329 [17:10:45] <halvors> rant: So now i've built the new initramfs image.
1330 [17:10:58] <halvors> rant: Should i just try booting into Debian and see if it works?
1331 [17:11:26] <rant> idk I guess so, seemed like the issue you were having was not having dm in the initramfs
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1333 [17:11:44] <rant> if it drops you into initramfs again check lsmod inside initramfs prompt, look for dm_mod
1334 [17:11:57] <blackflow> halvors: did you change anything in the initramfs config before you rebuilt it?
1335 [17:11:58] <halvors> rant: Ok.
1336 [17:12:27] <halvors> replaced-url
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1338 [17:12:55] <halvors> blackflow: I did change the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to have a line for dm_mirror in it.
1339 [17:13:08] <rant> halvors: inside the chroot?
1340 [17:13:19] <rant> cause editing that on ubuntu wont effect the chroot "{
1341 [17:13:22] <rant> :P
1342 [17:13:25] <halvors> Well not in chroot, but in the correct mount
1343 [17:13:44] <blackflow> I don't think dm_mirror is what you need. anway, yes reboot into debian and if it still doesn't work, make a /proc/modules list so you can diff with ubuntu's, see what's different.
1344 [17:13:50] <rant> i.e. /media/foo/etc/bar..
1345 [17:13:58] <halvors> Like /dev/debianroot/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
1346 [17:14:07] <rant> no dm_mod is what you need
1347 [17:14:09] <blackflow> eh? /dev/.... ?
1348 [17:14:18] <blackflow> you mounted into a dir in /dev?
1349 [17:14:23] <rant> I was just talking about the helper modules ubuntu was loading
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1351 [17:14:34] <halvors> No, typo, meant /mnt
1352 [17:14:34] <rant> those are all just for calculation and hashing and crap
1353 [17:15:24] <rant> the one that actually provides the ability to abstract devices and map them is dm_mod
1354 [17:15:26] <halvors> rant: So only dm_mod?
1355 [17:15:34] <blackflow> and dm_raid for raid0
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1357 [17:15:43] <blackflow> but that should be implicit
1358 [17:16:01] <halvors> And nothing else?
1359 [17:16:34] <blackflow> I don't know. start with those, and make sure you inspect lsmod and see what's different. that's the key.
1360 [17:16:42] <halvors> How can i save /proc/modules to a file from "(initramfs)" and read it later?
1361 [17:17:00] <blackflow> you can pastebin ubuntu's, and then pull that in when you're in rescue mode with debian, to run the diff
1362 [17:17:08] <blackflow> or inspect them visually, just make sure you sort first
1363 [17:17:10] <rant> heh, you can't cause if you wind up there, you have no fs access, which is why you're there
1364 [17:17:33] <halvors> Yeah, ok i'll inspect them visually then.
1365 [17:17:40] <halvors> /proc/modules and lsmod?
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1367 [17:18:27] <blackflow> it's the same thing, lsmod just formats it nicely with dependencies in mind
1368 [17:18:53] <blackflow> for raw diff, /proc/modules it is
1369 [17:19:26] <halvors> Ok, thanks, i'll be back in some time when i've tried booting into debian :) Thanks for help so far :)
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1379 [17:25:51] <deicide-> do i have task manager in this os?
1380 [17:25:58] <deicide-> if so how do i open it
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1390 [17:29:49] <halvors> rant: blackflow: So i booted into debian (tried atleast) no difference.
1391 [17:30:08] <jakkas> hi
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1393 [17:30:19] <halvors> But did take a picture of the output of lsmod, seems every dm_* module is there.
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1396 [17:32:03] <halvors> rant: blackflow: Is /etc/fstab present during early boot?
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1400 [17:32:45] <gkgk> you can check it online
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1406 [17:34:54] <kerneldark> Hi, I have a server with samba service, first someone users tell me that the directory and files (7gbs) have been deleted, after another user with same problem 100gb deleted, I shutdown the server, I thinked tha was the user self or another user have deleted the files, I was to use extundelete, but how have that execute in live cd, i have decidide to put the hd on another server in slave mode, to run testdisk, when I put on the ha
1407 [17:35:50] <kerneldark> I cannto mount the partiton more I dont know why I have decided write another partition table detected by testdisk on harddrive and now I cannt access more my partiton, still is possible to repair?
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1411 [17:39:34] <kerneldark> I have formated another disk with same size and isntalled debian on it, and copied the table partition to the disk with wrong partition, but too does not work
1412 [17:39:56] <kerneldark> I have too tried fsck.ext4 -vy /dev/sdx
1413 [17:40:14] <kerneldark> but too does not work
1414 [17:40:36] <kerneldark> someone can help me please
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1424 [17:54:00] <rant> what language do you speak?
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1426 [17:55:15] <rant> because thats a huge runon sentance riddled with grammatical confusion
1427 [17:55:28] <random_auroras> Is there any point in using raspbian anymore since the architecture is now supported in mainline debian?
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1429 [17:55:59] <rant> random_auroras: when it comes to arm soc the arch isnt the issue, its specific hw support that matters
1430 [17:56:35] <random_auroras> rant: Ah right, I recall reading something to that effect in the manual earlier.
1431 [17:56:46] <halvors> rant: No success seems the necessary modules are there.
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1433 [17:57:29] <rant> halvors: well to answer your question, no /etc/fstab is on the rootfs, the early kernel initrd knows only what was passed to it on the commandline from the bootloader
1434 [17:57:50] <rant> which is typically where to find boot and root
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1436 [17:58:43] <rant> so the issue here is that initrd needs necessary modules to support the controller and device mapping, so that it can locate the partition which contains the rootfs
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1439 [17:59:00] <halvors> rant: Yeah, and problem seems to be it not detecting the partitions in the dmraid even if modules are loaded.
1440 [17:59:14] <rant> either that or its looking for the wrong thing
1441 [17:59:21] <halvors> rant: So you suspect that it's other modules than "dm_*" that needs loading?
1442 [17:59:30] <rant> have you verified that whats in the grub is actually what it should be looking for?
1443 [17:59:46] <halvors> You mean the root= parameter?
1444 [17:59:53] <rant> yes
1445 [18:00:06] <rant> does that match the blkid output of the rootfs?
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1447 [18:00:12] <halvors> It's now set to the dmraid partition 3, which is where debian is installed.
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1449 [18:00:26] <rant> using /dev/dm-3?
1450 [18:00:34] <rant> and not a UUID?
1451 [18:00:46] <rant> cause thats not gonna work :P
1452 [18:01:01] <halvors> Not a UUID, it's "/dev/mapper/isw_fahcbchfa_Volume1p3"
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1454 [18:01:37] <rant> yeah idk what that is, but its nothing debian's initrd would know about
1455 [18:01:38] <halvors> So i need to change that to root=UUID=whatever uuid
1456 [18:01:50] <rant> sounds like its a device mapper name supplied by fstab
1457 [18:01:54] <halvors> But it knows about "/dev/mapper/isw_fahcbchfa_Volume1"
1458 [18:02:08] <rant> you're certain of that?
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1460 [18:02:22] <halvors> It's listed when running "dmraid -ay"
1461 [18:02:28] <rant> from initramfs?
1462 [18:02:32] <halvors> And in the folder where "control" also is present"
1463 [18:02:33] <halvors> Yeah.
1464 [18:02:39] <rant> hmm
1465 [18:02:42] <rant> interesting
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1467 [18:03:09] <rant> so it IS seeing the raid then from (initramfs) just not the partitions
1468 [18:03:17] <halvors> But maybe i should try alter the cmdline to use UUID?
1469 [18:03:46] <blackflow> halvors: did you compare the list of modules loaded with ubuntu's?
1470 [18:03:50] <rant> well that wouldnt hurt but if its seeing the raid in initramfs and not the partitions then there is something else going on
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1473 [18:04:19] <halvors> blkid outputs "UUID", "UUID_SUB" and "PARTUUID" Is it the "UUID" which should be used?
1474 [18:04:24] <rant> was this raid that contains the partitions created in ubuntu?
1475 [18:05:11] <rant> the UUID is the one to use but thats not the problem if you can see the raid, then the mapper names you are using should work
1476 [18:05:30] <rant> the problem is more likely the partition table is not in a format it can read
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1478 [18:05:42] <ychaouche> yo debian
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1480 [18:06:09] <halvors> rant: The RAID is created by the system BIOS/UEFI setup.
1481 [18:06:26] <ychaouche> is there a way to search for a package that was in debian 7 but I can't find it on debian 9 ?
1482 [18:06:30] <ychaouche> libsslcommon2-dev
1483 [18:06:31] <halvors> rant: The partition table is GPT:
1484 [18:06:41] <rant> when you create filesystems and partition tables in a newer system an older one may not support its features.. same goes for crypt setups.. one system may have fatures another doesnt support
1485 [18:07:18] <rant> cause you're telling me debian's initramfs prompt can see the RAID, but is showing no partitions within the raid volume
1486 [18:07:35] <rant> and since presumably ubuntu lives there and works, we know the partition table is in tact
1487 [18:07:51] <rant> only explaination then is that debian can't understand that table
1488 [18:08:06] <halvors> rant: Yeah, the partition itself was actually created in Ubuntu, should i try removing it and create it during the Debian installer?
1489 [18:08:32] <rant> halvors: well its likely the whole partition table that is the issue
1490 [18:08:41] <halvors> Think that might be the problem? Also i'm using btrfs, but that should be an issue right?
1491 [18:08:52] <rant> halvors: the debian installer SAW the partition table correct?
1492 [18:08:58] <halvors> How to verify that? It works in Ubuntu?
1493 [18:09:12] <halvors> I'm looking at it right now in GParted.
1494 [18:09:17] <rant> halvors: wait, you used btrfs as rootfs for debian as well?
1495 [18:09:28] <halvors> Yeah.
1496 [18:09:43] <rant> yeah I tried that a couple months ago without raid, and it wouldnt work :P
1497 [18:09:52] <rant> grub had a shit fit
1498 [18:09:55] <halvors> What way did it not work?
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1500 [18:10:03] <rant> idk grub couldnt understand it
1501 [18:10:06] <halvors> Oh, maybe i should try reinstall on ext4?
1502 [18:10:18] <rant> thats what I did, rather than try figure it out
1503 [18:10:29] <rant> technically btrfs is said to be supported now, but it didnt work for me
1504 [18:10:34] <halvors> rant: But Debian installer is seeing the parition table.
1505 [18:10:46] <rant> I ran into all kinds of confusing problems and reinstalled with ext4 and it worked
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1507 [18:11:23] <halvors> Ok, then i'll try reinstalling and see if that works :)
1508 [18:11:23] <rant> did you happen to see if btrfs was in the initrd?
1509 [18:11:32] <rant> the module for it that is
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1511 [18:11:50] <halvors> Yeah it is: replaced-url
1512 [18:11:57] <rant> when it comes to things like my rootfs I like things that are well tested :P
1513 [18:12:05] <rant> btrfs support is brand new in debian
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1515 [18:12:34] <halvors> rant: raid456 is loaded, a problem?
1516 [18:12:49] <halvors> Shouldn't raid0 be as well?
1517 [18:12:53] <rant> I wouldnt blame you for tring to figure this out, but I'd eliminate that headache if it were me and just fallback on ext4
1518 [18:13:08] <rant> I have no idea.. I only used raid once and it was over a decade ago
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1521 [18:13:37] <rant> I am just telling you things I know based on using DM for crypto and recent experiences with Debian 9
1522 [18:13:49] <halvors> Ah ok, i'll reinstall with ext4 and see if that works :) Worth a try :)
1523 [18:14:03] <rant> this machine is a thin client and had btrfs already on its SSD and so I said, wth, I'll try installing with btrfs.. didnt work.. heh
1524 [18:14:08] <rant> grub refused to install
1525 [18:14:34] <rant> though you seemed to have gotten grub to install without complaining so idk
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1527 [18:14:47] <rant> to me it sounds like its not reading the partition table
1528 [18:15:04] <rant> which would beg the question of why.. if D-I sees it fine
1529 [18:15:24] <rant> unless there is something else like LVM in there
1530 [18:15:58] <halvors> rant: No lvm, just GPT partitions
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1532 [18:16:03] <rant> have you at any point during all this manually run grub-install from the debian side?
1533 [18:16:12] <rant> to see if it had output any warnings?
1534 [18:16:23] <halvors> No don't think so.
1535 [18:16:33] <rant> cause it bitched at me about lvm stuff and I'm not using lvm either, just luks
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1537 [18:16:57] <rant> but apparently the debian boot process checks lvm, raid, crypt in a certain order
1538 [18:17:10] <rant> and I needed to install lvm2 anyhow to avoid the bitching
1539 [18:17:19] <buu> Ok, part two
1540 [18:17:28] <halvors> Will go reinstall with ext4 and see where that takes me.
1541 [18:17:51] <buu> How do you start a hands off install with replaced-url
1542 [18:18:03] <halvors> rant: But don't understand how initrd cannot read the GPT partition table.
1543 [18:18:05] <rant> idk you can certainly try but if you never ran into any btrfs related errors I doubt that is the issue
1544 [18:18:14] <halvors> And how to fix that if it's the problem.
1545 [18:18:20] <rant> cause the issue here seems to be its not even seeing the partitions
1546 [18:18:32] <halvors> yeah.
1547 [18:18:33] <rant> it cant know the fs if it cant see the partition :P
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1549 [18:19:12] <halvors> I'll be back after giving ext4 a try, also tought about installing debian testing just to see it this is a bug that is fixes in upstream of some package.
1550 [18:19:31] * rant shrugs
1551 [18:19:44] <halvors> rant: Yeah, but i'm kindof stuck either way :O
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1553 [18:20:10] <rant> it seems though that after updating the initramfs you now have raid support and its seeing the raid volume just not the partitions inside it when booting
1554 [18:20:44] <halvors> rant: I've always seen the raid, just not the paritions.
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1556 [18:21:04] <halvors> Updating initramfs didn't make any difference.
1557 [18:21:12] <rant> when I'd setup servers with sata raid in the past I never did anything special, used regular guided install process and it just worked
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1560 [18:21:34] <rant> was absolutely no different than installing without raid
1561 [18:21:51] <halvors> Hmm, not even with the dmraid=true flag?
1562 [18:22:01] <rant> nope, just had to setup the raid in the bios
1563 [18:22:26] <halvors> I did try that first, but none of my raid paritions was available as target in partitioning in the installer.
1564 [18:22:42] <halvors> rant: But probably without GPT?
1565 [18:22:59] <rant> well yeah I am sure this was before GPT was standard
1566 [18:23:13] <rant> we're talking about 10 years or so ago
1567 [18:23:17] <halvors> That may be the difference here it seems.
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1569 [18:24:24] <rant> halvors: have you considered trying OFTC? and explaining in better detail what we now know.. that you're seeing the raid but not the partitions in initramfs?
1570 [18:24:39] <kamild1996> Hey, let's just assume I had a detached screen running with a process in it. For some reason I decided to "sudo rm /var/run/screen/*" without terminating the screen first. The screen is, obviously, no longer there when I do "screen -ls".
1571 [18:24:41] <rant> because surely there are people around who use RAID more often that can help more
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1573 [18:24:54] <kamild1996> If I kill the process that was running in the screen, can I move on with my life, or should I do something?
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1609 [18:25:30] <rant> kamild1996: heh. probably. you should also not do things like that in the future
1610 [18:25:32] <halvors> rant: You mean the #OFTC channel?
1611 [18:25:44] <rant> halvors: no I mean the official irc network of debian
1612 [18:26:01] <rant> since you been here almost a day and nobody with actual raid experience has chimed in
1613 [18:26:08] <kamild1996> I'm aware rant, just asking in case it has already been done :)
1614 [18:26:11] <kamild1996> and thanks
1615 [18:26:30] <rant> kamild1996: I been using screen for 15 years but no, I haven't done anything that silly before :P
1616 [18:26:32] <halvors> rant: Yeah, thanks. I'll try that :)
1617 [18:26:44] <rant> halvors: irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net
1618 [18:26:53] <halvors> Yeah saw that.
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1620 [18:27:11] <rant> halvors: someone who installs debian to raid regularly should be able to help you a lot better, especially since you know now more whats going on
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1622 [18:27:33] <rant> halvors: I'd think even here (this is a larger channel than the official) that someone would've chimed in by now
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1627 [18:27:59] <rant> but I know when I first seen your issue I was half asleep and I wasnt willing to answer cause it was so vague and I was groggy :P
1628 [18:28:00] <halvors> Yeah will do.
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1630 [18:28:07] <rant> now you know more about whats going on
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1633 [18:28:15] <halvors> True.
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1638 [18:28:28] <rant> you know dm is loaded, you know the raid is visible in initramfs.. just not seeing the partitions
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1644 [18:29:55] <halvors> rant: Thanks for all help :)
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1649 [18:30:08] <halvors> I'll go ask in the official channel.
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1660 [18:33:34] <rant> halvors: well also look at the list of channels.. this is the only debian channel here, there are tons on OFTC
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1664 [18:34:19] <halvors> rant: Yeah.
1665 [18:34:22] <rant> !debian channels
1666 [18:34:23] <dpkg> Debian IRC channels are listed at replaced-url
1667 [18:34:35] <jhutchins> halvors: You'll probably catch more people on a week day during business hours in Europe and/or the US.
1668 [18:35:04] <halvors> Yeah. Will try ask then if i don't get any answer here.
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1670 [18:35:17] <rant> this is usually the better place to find help as this legacy channel is larger than the #debian on OFTC but in this case nobody seems to be around here right now
1671 [18:35:45] <rant> I have no anywhere near recent experience and no hw to test it on
1672 [18:36:07] <rant> cant really do sata raid on my thin client :P
1673 [18:36:19] <jhutchins> halvors: For edge cases the mailing lists are sometimes more helpful.
1674 [18:36:24] <rant> nor afaik can I do it in Virtualbox
1675 [18:36:45] <halvors> :)
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1677 [18:36:50] <rant> yeah being that you been here over 6hrs already, the mailing lists in my experience get responses in less time than that
1678 [18:36:52] <jhutchins> rant: No, I would not expect to do it in virtualization - it's managed more at the physical hardware level.
1679 [18:37:37] <rant> yeah well its hard for me to answer questions about Debian 9 and Sata RAID when last time I did Sata Raid was probably in squeeze or something
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1682 [18:38:03] <rant> long before GPT, Systemd, etc..
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1689 [18:56:14] <kerneldark> I have writed a wrong partition table on my disk using testdisk, I still possible to repair?
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1706 [19:08:07] <AngusMacgyver> Hello. I'm facing some trouble with the bluetooth audio sink under stretch these days. Last month it worked perfectly but for a few days paulseaudio is unable to load the bluetooth-discover module. So my speakers are connected but not seen by the audio daemon. Does someone have the same problem ?
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1708 [19:09:01] <gkgk> yes same problem happened few days ago
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1711 [19:10:15] <TheWizard> hi
1712 [19:10:21] <rezzo> hi
1713 [19:10:33] <gkgk> how r u
1714 [19:10:35] <TheWizard> please I have got an Asus K55VD with builtin microphone: it gets noisy even at low level
1715 [19:10:41] <TheWizard> fine thanks and You?
1716 [19:10:47] <AngusMacgyver> I don't remember a pulseaudio upgrade but did you resolve it .
1717 [19:10:56] <TheWizard> I installed Debian 9.4
1718 [19:11:16] <TheWizard> well I came out from a 9.0 upgrade
1719 [19:11:16] <gkgk> fine and ALHAMDULILLAH
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1726 [19:17:46] <rezzo> hi
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1729 [19:21:41] <AngusMacgyver> hmm, you downgraded ? may be I have the pb since 9.5
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1732 [19:25:01] <TheWizard> downgraded?
1733 [19:25:02] <TheWizard> no
1734 [19:25:33] <TheWizard> $cat /etc/debian_version
1735 [19:25:33] <TheWizard> 9.5
1736 [19:25:56] <TheWizard> uhoh 9.5 :) I was sure we were still at 9.4
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1738 [19:31:31] <AngusMacgyver> do you any idea why the command pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover can fail ?
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1743 [19:38:56] <rant> kerneldark: I've had good luck with gpart (not gparted) its for guessing partition tables
1744 [19:40:03] <rant> it examines the drive, tries to determine the extent of the fs/partitions and guesses a correct partition table.. I've had success with it when my partition table was fubar
1745 [19:46:44] <kerneldark> rant: Thank you, I will try it now
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1750 [19:49:58] <Han> Where can I find the rmi_smbus kernel module? apt-file can't even find it. deb replaced-url
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1785 [20:17:47] <Sylend> Hey guys, why is firefox.desktop important as a file? Why not just use the "firefox" executable and make a link?
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1792 [20:20:09] <rwp> Sylend, The .desktop files areused by the big desktop environments to build menus and place icons. It's an MS way of thinking of things, leaking elsewhere.
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1795 [20:20:49] <Sylend> rwp: MS = ?
1796 [20:21:12] <Sylend> rwp: Thanks
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1799 [20:21:54] <rwp> MS = Microsoft
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1803 [20:22:11] <scientes> otherwise known as M$ hehe
1804 [20:22:24] <rwp> That's just my own personal opinion of course. Others have a different opinion.
1805 [20:22:54] <scientes> Sylend, .desktop files are translated for example
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1809 [20:24:27] <rwp> One can also set up default option arguments to programs in .desktop files too.
1810 [20:24:57] <scientes> annoyingly however the firefox .desktop file on debian (but not ubuntu) uses an absolute pathname, so you can't override it with firefox-nightly in ~/bin
1811 [20:25:16] <scientes> which i like to do
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1814 [20:25:50] <rwp> Hard coded paths are almost always a bad way to do things. It creates a rigid inflexible fragile system.
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1816 [20:26:09] <diogenes_> where is icewessel or how it name was
1817 [20:26:10] <HeXiLeD> is there a way to setup a wireless country code without using wpa supplicant ?
1818 [20:26:11] <scientes> systemd uses hard-coded paths exclusively
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1825 [20:27:34] <rwp> scientes, I did not know that.
1826 [20:27:36] <Sylend> I don't get this. I can make an alias for my firefox directory and running firefox will work fine (i got it into bash_alliases so it's permanent) but when I make an executable file on Desktop it doesn't work
1827 [20:28:06] <Sylend> Like I even made a file that just runs the command firefox and doesn't work but from terminal it works
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1851 [20:46:43] <rwp> Sylend, There are various reasons why that mail fail. PATH may be different for the DE (desktop environment) than your command line seems most likely.
1852 [20:47:08] <rwp> s/why that mail fail/why that may fail/ There are various reasons why that may fail.
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1855 [20:48:01] <rwp> Also one can't use bash command line aliases in desktop file. But I am sure you already knew that.
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1861 [20:51:54] <mandeep> on stable shouldn't modprobe be available?
1862 [20:52:34] <Tarrasquero> yes
1863 [20:53:10] <mandeep> i get a command not found: modprobe
1864 [20:53:19] <mefistofeles> sudo?
1865 [20:53:26] <Tarrasquero> hehehe
1866 [20:53:40] <diogenes_> use su
1867 [20:54:42] <mandeep> i see.
1868 [20:54:45] <Sylend> I legit run firefox and firefox works. I make a firefox file that has the firefox command in it and it won't work.
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1875 [21:08:09] <ksk> Sylend: what is a firefox file, and what is a firefox command?
1876 [21:08:24] <Sylend> ksk: There's no firefox command. It's an allias I made to run the file
1877 [21:08:38] <Sylend> ksk: That's why I'm baffled
1878 [21:08:45] <ksk> if you click a thingy on your desktop, it does not know about bash aliases
1879 [21:08:47] <ksk> only bash knows them :>
1880 [21:09:30] <ksk> (only interactive bash, that is to be more precise, imho)
1881 [21:09:33] <Sylend> ksk: Oh my. Well that makes total sense thank you. How can I make an executable file that works on right click? I don't want a .sh file
1882 [21:10:13] <ksk> why not? what kind of executable is that? sounds like some desktop related thing to me
1883 [21:10:19] <Sylend> ksk: I mean, if I click on firefox the file it will just run. I want this to happen with the shortcut as well. Touch makes text documents. So when I made touch firefox nano /home/.../firefox it wouldn't work
1884 [21:10:40] <ksk> eh, please..
1885 [21:10:46] <ksk> touch creates files, nothing more
1886 [21:10:52] <Sylend> ksk: I need to make this super user friendly
1887 [21:11:00] <ksk> and if you have a file called "firefox", you have a file called firefox, nothing more.
1888 [21:11:32] <Sylend> doing touch firefox, nano in it the path will open leadfpad
1889 [21:11:40] <ksk> I bet most desktops have methods to place shortcuts for apps on the desktop itself, Id try to google that
1890 [21:11:44] <Sylend> ksk: I will work this through. Thanks for the bash thing though it makes so much sense
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2026 [23:15:27] <mandeep> i found one of the side effects i was talking about the other day. i installed mate but when i login using gnome, caja is the default window manager instead of nautilus
2027 [23:16:18] <petn-randall> jasabella: It works correctly for me. You might want to go more into detail what you're actually doing, and providing a paste with the commands you run.
2028 [23:17:23] <abrotman> I don't think nautilus is a window manager?
2029 [23:17:48] <jasabella> i'm using '\u@\h:\w\$ '
2030 [23:17:51] <mandeep> abrotman: sorry file manager
2031 [23:18:01] <jasabella> getting 'jasabella@host:.$'
2032 [23:20:02] <jasabella> hmmm might be tmux
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2034 [23:21:19] <spacedust> pfred1: im using one of these now replaced-url
2035 [23:21:39] <spacedust> pfred1: why you on so many channels ? :D lol ment to write you on the other one :) sorry
2036 [23:22:23] <petn-randall> jasabella: How are you exactly setting it?
2037 [23:22:55] <pfred1> spacedust I like tabs in IRC
2038 [23:23:17] <jasabella> in .bashrc, .profile sources it
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2040 [23:23:32] <jasabella> PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ '
2041 [23:24:59] <petn-randall> jasabella: That should work, escaping and quoting looks correct to me. It works fine on a shell without tmux?
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2043 [23:25:46] <jasabella> yeah
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2048 [23:29:11] <petn-randall> jasabella: I'm not familiar with tmux (I tend to use GNU screen), I'd dig around in the docs why it's interpreting it differently.
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2050 [23:29:45] <jasabella> im looking for the bash source
2051 [23:29:50] <jasabella> but thanks
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2053 [23:30:51] <petn-randall> oooh, let me think
2054 [23:31:06] <petn-randall> jasabella: Can it be that your .profile is not sourced when in tmux?
2055 [23:31:36] <petn-randall> jasabella: It's probably the issue about interactive/non-interactive + login/non-login shell.
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2057 [23:32:32] <petn-randall> jasabella:
2058 [23:32:36] <petn-randall> replaced-url
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2062 [23:33:55] <jasabella> mine's a login shell
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2065 [23:34:28] <jasabella> although it might be considered non-login because of tmux? hmm
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2069 [23:36:54] <petn-randall> jasabella: Yep, I've tripped over this before. :)
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2073 [23:38:16] <jasabella> my file is being sourced i think, if create a new window in tmux it sees if i prepend with \t for example
2074 [23:38:19] <jasabella> hmm
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2077 [23:40:30] <petn-randall> jasabella: Are you sure you don't have an older version of your PS1 set somewhere else?
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2081 [23:42:50] <jasabella> even if i did, it should show up when i echo $PS1?
2082 [23:43:30] <petn-randall> jasabella: What does `echo $PS1` output?
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2085 [23:45:41] <jasabella> \u@\h:\w\$
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2091 [23:50:04] <ESphynx> I get this "failed to start user manager for uid XXX" when booting in run level 5... This is Buster with nVidia proprietary drivers
2092 [23:50:19] <ESphynx> if I run in runlevel 3 and start X though it's all good
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2098 [23:53:58] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2099 [23:53:58] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2101 [23:54:27] <ESphynx> thanks
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2103 [23:54:49] <petn-randall> ESphynx: ^^^ Let's continue the discussion there.
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