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26 [00:22:03] <HelloShitty> Hello people
27 [00:22:27] <HelloShitty> How safe is to convert an whole hard drive from NTFS to ext4 without loosing data?
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31 [00:23:08] <HelloShitty> I'm using Debian 9 and I need to convert my 500Gb HDD from NTFS to ext4 because Dropbox will stop synching data if I don't do it
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38 [00:28:00] <_xalen> You could just shrink it and create a smaller partition, format it with ext4, mount it on your system and use it exclusively for Dropbox
39 [00:29:16] <_xalen> Also, since NTFS is from Microsoft, you probably will be fine with it.
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43 [00:31:35] <RM5424> hey guys suddenly when I try to apt install something I get
44 [00:31:38] <RM5424> dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
45 [00:31:38] <dpkg> rm5424: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
46 [00:31:43] <RM5424> and
47 [00:31:51] <RM5424> dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
48 [00:31:51] <dpkg> rm5424: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
49 [00:32:00] <annadane> shut up dpkg
50 [00:32:13] <annadane> RM5424, are you on stretch?
51 [00:32:32] <RM5424> also "reboot" which always worked isn't working anymore, so obviously something is wrong with paths
52 [00:32:42] <RM5424> annadane: debian stable
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57 [00:36:02] <RM5424> mmm I think I found it
58 [00:36:06] <zerothis> which room should I go to to get sound working in Debian Bo?
59 [00:36:25] <RM5424> echo $PATH -> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
60 [00:36:40] <RM5424> I installed some libs required by love engine recently
61 [00:36:55] <annadane> what is debian bo?
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63 [00:37:31] <HelloShitty> _xalen: Dropbox is changing for ext4 soon
64 [00:37:40] <zerothis> Debian Bo is version 1.3.1 I think. First ever version on CD
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66 [00:38:31] <mtn> zerothis: you need a time machine :p
67 [00:39:12] <zerothis> replaced-url
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69 [00:39:30] <annadane> oh. uhhhhhhhhh.
70 [00:39:34] <annadane> ...here... i guess?
71 [00:39:53] <annadane> assume you're running it out of curiosity and not for an actual productivity based machine or connected to the internet
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73 [00:40:30] <annadane> like, why are you ever running anything pre-wheezy, let alone bo
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75 [00:42:14] <zerothis> I cannot make the game Inner Worlds run on later versions than 1.3.1
76 [00:42:16] <usney> coruja it works
77 [00:42:23] <_xalen> HelloShitty, Yes, my bad. The first point is still valid: you don't have to format your entire disk. Just shrink it, create a small partition, format it with ext4 and mount it to use it with Dropbox.
78 [00:42:38] <usney> The 3d acceleration works on debian
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81 [00:43:14] <usney> it was years ago that it didn't work on debian but worked in ubuntu
82 [00:43:26] <usney> refurbished my 2005 year old laptop
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88 [00:48:01] <HelloShitty> _xalen: yeah, that's the best option probably
89 [00:48:12] <HelloShitty> I'm just afraid to mess thing up with fdisk
90 [00:48:23] <usney> mtn how long have you had that nickname for?
91 [00:48:29] <usney> seems familiar
92 [00:48:47] <mtn> usney: 20+ years
93 [00:49:00] <usney> are you into gnu and fsf stuff?
94 [00:49:37] <mtn> usney: not really
95 [00:49:50] <usney> have you ever used gnewsense or trisquel?
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97 [00:50:04] <mtn> usney: getting off topic
98 [00:50:15] <usney> oh sorry
99 [00:50:41] <usney> what is systemd all about?
100 [00:50:48] <usney> security stuff?
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102 [00:51:09] <usney> is it like apparmour?
103 [00:52:00] <annadane> er...
104 [00:52:09] <annadane> !systemd
105 [00:52:09] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
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111 [00:57:03] <usney> I got a question about powerpc 32bit
112 [00:57:21] <usney> once you install debian 8 can you upgrade to debian 9?
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114 [00:58:22] <usney> if it isn't recommended to use debian for this old architecture what distro would you recommend to use instead?
115 [00:58:46] <usney> I've heard that a non linux distro called openbsd works with this old hardware just fine
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117 [00:59:18] <annadane> i think openbsd does support it
118 [00:59:27] <annadane> they support a lot of obscure systems
119 [00:59:43] <annadane> (and not nvidia. that goes to show you how f!@#ing stupid that whole situation is.)
120 [00:59:48] * annadane pulls a Torvalds.
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123 [01:04:11] <usney> haha
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127 [01:04:53] <usney> yes I checked their website and the device is listed as supported that I want to refurbish
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129 [01:05:19] <usney> I just would like to use the latest software or at least more recent that on the old mac
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131 [01:05:28] <usney> OS
132 [01:05:38] <usney> mac os x
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135 [01:06:10] <annadane> i would love to use openbsd. but i can't. because nouveau is still garbage.
136 [01:06:14] <annadane> thanks, nvidia
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141 [01:12:50] <usney> so are you saying my graphics card probably won't work?
142 [01:13:11] <usney> last time I think I installed linux on it the graphics was all messed up
143 [01:13:19] <usney> not displaying properly
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146 [01:14:18] <annadane> well, i'm not saying anything, i'm just bitching about the corporate stupidity of nvidia
147 [01:14:39] <annadane> powerpc isn't supported in stretch. you can use openbsd but if your card is nvidia you'll probably have problems
148 [01:14:41] <annadane> beyond that i don't know
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155 [01:20:10] <mellotto> hi there
156 [01:20:24] <mellotto> quick one: I just got a freshly installed debian. when opening the system settings in plasma, the button "get new themes' is missing.
157 [01:20:30] <mellotto> is this a kown issue? any clue?
158 [01:23:35] <Brigo> mellotto, maybe you have to get them from debian packages
159 [01:27:56] <wgas> try workspace theme > desktop theme, its there
160 [01:29:13] <usney> how to I create a multiboot iso file bootable usb disk using the command line in debian?
161 [01:31:45] <Tarrasquero> sudo dd bs=4M if=.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync (?)
162 [01:32:24] <usney> doesn't that just make one iso bootable?
163 [01:32:53] <Tarrasquero> yes
164 [01:32:59] <usney> all the guides I find online are for doing what I want on the windows platform which I don't use
165 [01:34:12] <usney> maybe I could partition the drive and decompress the iso files and put them in each partition then install grub mbr once I am done?
166 [01:35:05] <usney> well I do have a virtual machine of windows and I can access my usb drives from windows in virtualbox
167 [01:35:13] <usney> I do that instead
168 [01:36:33] <Tarrasquero> all the guides I find online are for doing what I want on the windows platform which I don't use
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170 [01:36:36] <Tarrasquero> maybe I could partition the drive and decompress the iso files and put them in each partition then install grub mbr once I am done?
171 [01:36:40] <Tarrasquero> upps
172 [01:36:47] <Tarrasquero> I think what you want to do is a typical installation but in a USB
173 [01:37:21] <usney> no I want the installation medium on the usb drive
174 [01:37:36] <usney> for installing on refurbished computers
175 [01:38:18] <usney> just be more convenient if it was just on one big usb jump drive
176 [01:38:39] <Tarrasquero> dd ↑
177 [01:39:03] <usney> yes I know the dd command I've done that before
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179 [01:39:29] <usney> but is there a way to do multiple iso files on one usb stick?
180 [01:39:30] <Tarrasquero> ah
181 [01:40:01] <usney> where it makes a menu for picking which distro that the customer would like me to install
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183 [01:40:27] <Tarrasquero> I do not know if creating the iso multiboot before
184 [01:40:52] <usney> that's okay I'll try it on windows
185 [01:42:19] <usney> Tarrasquero why is debian faster than ubuntu?
186 [01:43:09] <Tarrasquero> because he does not have steroids
187 [01:43:12] <usney> what's the username and password to the livecds?
188 [01:43:17] <Tarrasquero> lol
189 [01:43:51] <usney> I like the new debian
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191 [01:44:12] <Tarrasquero> ;)
192 [01:44:36] <usney> I remember when I had to manually set the repo back in the day now it seems to do that automatically at installation
193 [01:44:50] <usney> tried it out in a virtual machine
194 [01:44:58] <Tarrasquero> usney: in livecd the start is with root
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198 [01:46:47] <Tarrasquero> I have not reinstalled for a long time
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200 [01:47:44] <usney> how can you do that?
201 [01:47:47] <usney> dist-upgrade?
202 [01:48:13] <Tarrasquero> yes
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204 [01:49:26] <Tarrasquero> stable repositories
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206 [01:50:25] <usney> is debian a rolling release?
207 [01:50:34] <Tarrasquero> no
208 [01:50:52] <usney> is it stable to do that?
209 [01:51:02] <bouba> debian sid a rolling release
210 [01:51:13] <mason> Testing is more or less rolling as well.
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213 [01:52:40] <Tarrasquero> sorry, bad ingles
214 [01:54:09] <usney> I mean does debian seem stable not installing fresh with each new stable release? Tarrasquero
215 [01:54:52] <Tarrasquero> yes
216 [01:54:56] <zerothis> new info. I installed saytime in Debian Bo and got an error message when ran "opening /dev/audio: No such device"
217 [01:55:52] <zerothis> open-iw
218 [01:56:03] * zerothis *oops*
219 [01:56:22] <Tarrasquero> if the repositories are fixed in stable it goes from one version to another
220 [01:56:55] <usney> what does that mean?
221 [01:57:02] <usney> (uname)?
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223 [01:57:52] <usney> my wifi doggie seems to not work anymore
224 [01:58:07] <usney> how do I test it to see if it is a hardware issue and not a software one?
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226 [02:00:45] <Tarrasquero> usney: ls /sys/class/net ?
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229 [02:01:19] <usney> I have two wifi doggies and they both are failing to connect to wifi
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232 [02:01:44] <usney> one of them has lights to let you know it is working
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234 [02:02:55] <zerothis> Tarrasquero: uname lists system information such as kernal version and cpu type "uname -a" lists all available info at once
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238 [02:04:56] <Tarrasquero> uname -a = all
239 [02:05:27] <Tarrasquero> already
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249 [02:20:02] <usney> sweet Tarrasquero the tool to make the multiboot pendrive usb stick is open source/free software gnu gpled
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253 [02:21:22] <Tarrasquero> ah
254 [02:24:57] <usney> it is called yumi
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256 [02:25:15] <usney> only for windroid I believe
257 [02:25:17] <usney> replaced-url
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259 [02:27:32] <usney> well I am going to try something have to reboot
260 [02:27:36] <usney> see you all later
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287 [03:04:16] <usney> hey guys
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290 [03:06:11] <usney> does debian offer installation discs for refurbish or new computers with fresh installs that let the customer set the language passwords users..etc.??
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292 [03:07:23] <usney> I mean I install it for them but it doesn't setup that stuff it leaves it for bootup after installation
293 [03:07:54] <dvs> That's a good idea, actually
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298 [03:14:04] <sanctus> Linux for granny, go Mint!
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307 [03:22:50] <_xalen> Oh, do you mean an OEM install? As far as I know, Debian doesn't do that yet. GNOME has implemented something like that, but I don't know if it will be shipping with Debian GNOME.
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311 [03:28:50] <usney> yes _xalen
312 [03:29:02] <drax-> Yoo
313 [03:29:14] <tomreyn> replaced-url
314 [03:29:51] <drax-> How do i install a .run file?, tryed to install latest driver of my GFX?
315 [03:31:09] <usney> chmod u+x *.run
316 [03:31:15] <usney> ./*.run
317 [03:31:29] <usney> if you have more than one run file do not use the *
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319 [03:32:20] <usney> type its full name out and use tab if possible for auto completion
320 [03:32:32] <usney> I assumed you know how to use the terminal right?
321 [03:32:58] <usney> use the tab Key*
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323 [03:33:46] <usney> you also need to possibly become root
324 [03:34:03] <usney> so do su or sudo
325 [03:34:50] <usney> usually the run file will give an error indicating you need to be root so try it out as normal user first
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328 [03:37:00] <drax-> Ok, thanks! hold on, gonna se if i get it to work
329 [03:37:02] <drax-> hold on
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332 [03:38:51] <usney> thanks I am happy that I can help
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335 [03:40:52] <drax-> usney, is this the command. chmod u+x ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-337.12.run
336 [03:41:04] <usney> no
337 [03:41:24] <usney> chmod u+x NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-337.12.run
338 [03:41:25] <drax-> Ok. can you tell me again exactly what i have to type?
339 [03:41:38] <drax-> thx
340 [03:41:39] <usney> then ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-337.12.run
341 [03:41:40] <drax-> hold on
342 [03:41:42] <drax-> gonna gry
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345 [03:43:18] <drax-> Ok seem to work, have to close X, brb
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424 [05:35:28] <cmyers> I am having issues trying to install debian 9.5.0 on my new system76 laptop. When I choose the classic installer, it shows up tiny (like, 1cm wide) tiled 24 times across the top of my screen. The graphical installer doesn't work at all, black screen.
425 [05:35:38] <cmyers> I have been googling and messing wtih boot params and I can't seem to get it working
426 [05:35:51] <cmyers> it came with ubuntu pre-installed which worked flawlessly so I don't believe it is a hardware problem.
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434 [05:54:33] <jim> cmyers, see if passing vga=ask as a kernel boot parameter presents a menu of resolutions
435 [05:54:47] <cmyers> jim: thx for the suggestion - tried that to no avail =(
436 [05:55:25] <jim> it might be good to have a list of things you've tried
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438 [05:55:52] <mobile_c> how dinstall qt4-defaulto i do "sudo apt install qt*" but not
439 [05:56:06] <mobile_c> how do i do sudo apt install qt* but not install qt4-default *
440 [05:56:09] <cmyers> tried various vga= things, with or without nomodeset
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442 [05:56:37] <mobile_c> qt4-default : Conflicts: qt5-default but 5.9.5+dfsg-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
443 [05:56:38] <cmyers> tried removing the default (vga=788)
444 [05:56:38] <mobile_c> qt5-default : Conflicts: qt4-default but 4:4.8.7+dfsg-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
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446 [05:57:04] <annadane> ,v qt4-default
447 [05:57:05] <judd> Package: qt4-default on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3+deb8u1; stretch: 4:4.8.7+dfsg-11; buster: 4:4.8.7+dfsg-17; sid: 4:4.8.7+dfsg-17
448 [05:57:17] <annadane> mobile_c, you're on ubuntu? ask ubuntu support
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450 [05:57:32] <mobile_c> y
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452 [05:57:36] <cmyers> just trued setting gfxmode and gfxpayload to 1920x1080x24, that didn't work either
453 [05:57:38] <annadane> because ubuntu is not debian
454 [05:57:43] <mobile_c> debian has APT doesnt it?
455 [05:57:47] <annadane> !based on debian
456 [05:57:48] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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458 [05:57:56] <annadane> !ubuntu
459 [05:57:56] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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461 [05:58:37] <mobile_c> idc about that
462 [05:58:44] <annadane> then we're not going to support you
463 [05:58:47] <cmyers> oh, also tried an external monitor - didn't pick it up by default, not sure how to make it
464 [05:58:57] <mobile_c> i want to know how do i do "sudo apt install qt*" but not install qt4-default *
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466 [05:59:53] <mobile_c> as apt list qt* just lists stuff like qtwebkit5-examples/bionic 5.9.1+dfsg-2 amd64
467 [06:00:02] <mobile_c> wich i cannot pipe to xargs
468 [06:00:10] <annadane> (also i'm not sure why it says both dfsg and ubuntu)
469 [06:00:16] <annadane> if it's debian then i apologize
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471 [06:01:42] <mobile_c> how do i get apt to list packages that can be piped to xargs other than qtwebkit5-examples/bionic 5.9.1+dfsg-2 amd64
472 [06:02:37] <annadane> also hang on, are you mixing in PPAs with a debian installation?
473 [06:02:44] <annadane> because if you are don't do that
474 [06:03:11] <mobile_c> PPAs?
475 [06:03:43] <jim> never install binary packages from a dist you're not running, or from a version your dist you're not running
476 [06:04:40] <jim> version OF your dist...
477 [06:05:34] <annadane> basically if you're getting conflicts with debian stable using qt something is probably seriously wrong already
478 [06:05:52] <annadane> and i don't really feel like untangling it
479 [06:06:28] <annadane> buuuut your package has "ubuntu" in the name, so...
480 [06:06:50] <annadane> either your base system is ubuntu, in which case we don't support it, or you're trying to install ubuntu packages in debian, in which case we don't support it...
481 [06:07:04] <mobile_c> eg like aptitude search ^qt* -F %p
482 [06:07:10] <mobile_c> but the apt equivilant
483 [06:07:27] <cmyers> *boots into the working ubuntu to look at hardware specs*
484 [06:07:34] <jim> apt install aptitude
485 [06:07:46] <cmyers> looks like this laptop has an intel vga chipset as well as an nvidia GTX 1070
486 [06:07:53] <cmyers> there are no bios settings relating to video, suprisingly
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489 [06:13:57] <mobile_c> welp this works xP "sudo apt install $(aptitude search ^qt* -F %p | grep -v -e ^quake-engine$ -e ^quake-engine-server$ -e :i386$ -e qt4-default -e qemu-user-static)"
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491 [06:24:00] <moussa> ahh memories
492 [06:24:06] <moussa> QW
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495 [06:26:52] <moussa> cmyers, do you have like mine a screen printed on the f5 key?
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499 [06:32:07] <annadane> mobile_c, anyway i apologize for probably being a bit rude
500 [06:34:28] <cmyers> moussa: I think fn-F2 turns LCD on/off and fn-F7 swaps between internal and external monitors, but I tried those combos and they did not work either =(
501 [06:35:45] <cmyers> hmm, I'm going to try the buster alpha3 installer release
502 [06:35:51] <cmyers> maybe that will give me better results
503 [06:36:44] <annadane> once we run out of toy story characters they should call one of the debian releases alpha :D
504 [06:36:59] <annadane> "i'm using debian alpha" "oh cool, a development version? how does it run?" "no, you don't understand..."
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507 [06:38:34] <project80> hello Debianites. I upgraded my CPU and now get frequent lock-ups
508 [06:38:44] <project80> re-install perhaps?
509 [06:39:32] <project80> I had an A8-7600 APU and upgraded to an 880K
510 [06:39:38] <project80> cpu
511 [06:39:52] <annadane> it's possible you may need to just use the kernel from backports, as a guess
512 [06:40:11] <annadane> i guess it could also be that you need certain firmware
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514 [06:40:30] <project80> On the windows side I got complainst about the graphics card. Allow me to explain
515 [06:40:49] <project80> The AMD A8-7600 has an embedded GPU and the 880 is just a CPU
516 [06:41:05] <project80> While I have a discreet RX-560 graphics card
517 [06:41:20] <project80> So there may have been residual drives from the hybrid gpu
518 [06:41:23] <annadane> otherwise i support dmesg could tell you what's going on
519 [06:41:28] <annadane> s/support/suppose
520 [06:41:34] <annadane> (why can't i type anymore?)
521 [06:41:45] <project80> annadane, I have that same issue with typing
522 [06:41:56] <project80> It's Poltergeists
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533 [06:44:39] <project80> i dualboot and windows blue screen of death says, "attempt to reset driver and recover timeout failed"
534 [06:44:52] <project80> reset display driver, I mean
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541 [06:48:51] <cmyers> no luck with the alpha3 installer either, same results =(
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543 [06:51:35] <project80> is debian able to handle gpu pro yet?
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546 [06:54:52] <cmyers> ok, I've learned that you can run "videoinfo" from the grub prompt to get the supported VBE video modes
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549 [06:55:43] <project80> I learned that I can buy a mac and be like everyone else
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551 [06:56:03] <project80> happy to be "one of us"
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553 [06:57:49] <allorder> go masturbate elsewhere
554 [07:00:29] <project80> Stallmanize
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559 [07:10:18] <project80> There is only support for legacy amd drivers in debian it seems
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561 [07:12:55] <project80> But i can install debian on a mac
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566 [07:19:47] <simbalion> I'm using pam-u2f for authentication with my yubikey, however this doesn't unlock gnome-keyring's 'login' keyring by default, requiring me to type a password anyway (with an incredibly obnoxious modal that hijacks all keyboard activity). Can I configure gnome-keyring to unlock the 'login' keyring when I login using pam-u2f.so?
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577 [07:28:32] <jmd> Since upgrading to stretch I can no longer sign or decrypt with gnupg.
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579 [07:29:01] <jmd> I get the message: "gpg: signing failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
580 [07:29:38] <jmd> To which device is it refering, and in what way does it believe it to be inappropriate?
581 [07:30:25] <simbalion> jmd: are you sure the upgrade is complete? There may have been packages held back during the first phase of upgrading and you may want to do additional apt-get dist-upgrades
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585 [07:34:20] <jmd> simbalion: I will try another apt-get dist-upgrade ...
586 [07:34:41] <SyfiMalik> hi guys, can I get my gpg key signed here?
587 [07:34:42] <simbalion> jmd: good luck
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589 [07:34:54] <jmd> SyfiMalik: No
590 [07:34:58] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: Have you see keepass.io? Might be a better place if you're looking for trust
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592 [07:35:16] <simbalion> oops that should read keybase.io
593 [07:35:19] <simbalion> getting my apps confused
594 [07:35:43] <SyfiMalik> yeah, I have keybase, I have my encrypted repos there
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596 [07:36:01] <SyfiMalik> but I was asking to be signed by some debian devs...
597 [07:36:06] <jmd> Well apg-get dist-upgrade tries to reinstall tinyproxy (and fails) but otherwise it doesn't see any need to do anything.
598 [07:36:24] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: ah my mistake
599 [07:36:25] <SyfiMalik> keybase.io/SyfiMalik is mine
600 [07:36:47] <SyfiMalik> simbalion: to err is human
601 [07:37:48] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: pfft as if humans have the market cornered on mistakes. My cat's brain got stuck in a loop earlier when he got confused about which direction to turn because he was excited about being fed soon.
602 [07:38:08] <simbalion> he kept swinging his head left/right/left/right and I had to help him. lol
603 [07:39:03] <SyfiMalik> simbalion: lol my cat just ran away when I entered the room, don't know why he is avoiding me :P
604 [07:39:50] <SyfiMalik> simbalion: you use keybase for what? I mean what attracts you more there?
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607 [07:40:19] <SyfiMalik> for me, I just use it to encrypt my dotfiles.
608 [07:40:23] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: I don't really because nobody I know takes encryption as seriously as me. But I keep one in case someone someday needs to verify my key to send me private emails
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610 [07:41:06] <simbalion> I have my own blog where I host my key which is basically as good as keybase
611 [07:41:11] <SyfiMalik> I have a github repo github.com/SyfiMalik/cfg and keybase is added as submodule in it
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613 [07:41:55] <SyfiMalik> simbalion: can I get your key?
614 [07:42:05] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: replaced-url
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616 [07:42:33] <jmd> I have never made a mistake.
617 [07:42:37] <SyfiMalik> I do encrypt mails. plus I'm gonna sign it if you like
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621 [07:47:55] <SyfiMalik> simbalion: cat new.asc | mail -s "keys" simba@tailpuff.net
622 [07:49:35] <SyfiMalik> got it?
623 [07:50:51] <SyfiMalik> for some reasons, my polybar gmail module isn't working so I can't get notified in time as I don't like to open gmail in browser all the time.
624 [07:51:13] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: I did
625 [07:51:27] <simbalion> Thunderbird says the dkim key is invalid, btw
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627 [07:52:39] <SyfiMalik> I haven't recieved the mail yet
628 [07:52:52] <SyfiMalik> use neomutt or something like that :P
629 [07:53:24] <SyfiMalik> I use neomutt to read, or qutebrowser. and use mail to send from command line.
630 [07:53:58] <SyfiMalik> simbalion: gpg --recv-keys 49D806F7
631 [07:54:45] <simbalion> SyfiMalik: was I supposed to reply? Sorry I am doing things in other windows.
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664 [08:48:14] <jim> why would apt source python3 give me a completely different package than what I asked for? it's giving me python3-defaults
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668 [08:49:37] <jim> they all do it: apt, apt-get and aptitude
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670 [08:51:10] <themill> what's wrong?
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673 [08:52:18] <themill> the source package that generates the python3 binary package *is* python3-defaults.
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686 [09:01:49] <jim> themill, hi, trying to build a 3.6 python
687 [09:03:09] <jim> there's also a python3.6
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689 [09:03:55] <jim> which seems to have debs for python-3.6.6, which is the one in sid
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699 [09:11:09] <themill> if python3.6 is already in sid, why are you trying to build it?
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701 [09:14:08] <SyfiMalik> themill: replaced-url
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712 [09:29:49] <jim> themill, I'm backporting it
713 [09:30:00] <jim> to stretch
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717 [09:31:31] <jim> and it looks like I can't, because it depends on gcc 8
718 [09:31:49] <jim> maybe 3.6.5
719 [09:32:00] <themill> it's not going to work well even if you do backport it
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721 [09:32:29] <jim> what has you say that?
722 [09:32:53] <themill> knowledge of how python packages are handled
723 [09:33:10] <themill> it won't have any modules
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725 [09:34:19] <jim> what about the one in buster?
726 [09:34:37] <themill> if you're running buster, then that will work, yes
727 [09:34:55] <jim> nope, like I said, I'm running stretch
728 [09:35:21] <themill> and like I said, backporting the interpreter does not work usefully
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731 [09:35:46] <themill> build it in a virtualenv if you really really need a newer interpreter
732 [09:35:46] <jim> so it's not possible to backport it?
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739 [09:40:44] <jim> what would you need to build for it to be useful? you're implying without saying that it's not possible
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741 [09:43:42] <thomassgn> Hi. is there a live disk with more DEs/WMs available? as a trial thing it would be nice to show at least gnome and xfce/lxde, maybe kde.
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744 [09:44:55] <themill> jim: you'd need to also deal with every module package, redoing about 3 months of work in bug fixing, upgrading and checking compatibility. Since you're working in a venv anyway, why not just build it in the venv? or downgrade the pyqt in the venv?
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747 [09:48:03] <jim> I'll figure out another way... I don't really want to screw up the system-wide python
748 [09:48:38] <themill> that's what venv is for...
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751 [09:49:59] <thomassgn> jim: this might not be at all what you're looking for, I just read the couple last comments. But Guix and Nix solves a lot of what venv and so on is for on a package manager level.
752 [09:50:41] <thomassgn> if you want several conflicting python instances on your system at the same time it's not a problem.
753 [09:50:57] <thomassgn> (in guix)
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758 [09:55:27] <jim> thomassgn, thanks, I appreciate the tip
759 [09:56:50] <ArahaelPi> thomassgn: They don't conflict, usually.
760 [09:57:04] <ArahaelPi> thomassgn: They work in isolation.
761 [10:02:22] <thomassgn> ArahaelPi: ? I don't understand what you're telling me. is it a question, or a correction? and what is the context?
762 [10:02:31] <thomassgn> happy to help jim
763 [10:02:35] <thomassgn> :)
764 [10:03:03] <ArahaelPi> thomassgn: A correction. :)
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766 [10:04:29] <thomassgn> allright.what was wrong? that there's no such thing as conflicting python versions/implementations?
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768 [10:04:56] <thomassgn> or how guix works?
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770 [10:05:55] <thomassgn> or debian... :) I guess I made to many assumptions initially
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772 [10:08:43] <ArahaelPi> thomassgn: Not really, no. Lets suppose you have two python environments installed. It's difficult to use both simultaniously within the same process. You either use one... Or you use another...
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774 [10:10:30] <jmd> ArahaelPi: Well it's "difficult" in the sense that you would have to write your program carefully so you know which instance is which. But fundamentally there would be no problem.
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776 [10:11:09] <ArahaelPi> jmd: Sure, but that's not a particular issue with python.
777 [10:11:37] <ArahaelPi> jmd: And it's not that they conflict, as so much as simply running the wrong one.
778 [10:11:43] <ArahaelPi> A conflict means neither works, at all.
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786 [10:18:56] <thomassgn> It seems we are talking past each other a lot. yes. :) no worries.
787 [10:19:22] <thomassgn> does anyone know if there are live disks with several DE's?
788 [10:19:27] <thomassgn> to try
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1087 [16:40:25] <StormGor> How can I reserve a nick after registration? So that others can not use it?
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1163 [18:08:14] <irrep> I have a few workstations that users must not shut down. How can I properly disable all shutdown and restart facilities (`halt`, `poweroff`, `shutdown`, `systemctl poweroff`, Xfce shutdown)?
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1179 [18:28:14] <queip> how to monitor what takes time in my kernel, especially for given driver (module) where it sits (what function) most of the time?
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1201 [18:59:25] <__FBi> my email has stopped working on my server -- I cannot send or receive mail from my android device. I'm using dovecot and postfix. Can someone send me in the right direction?
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1214 [19:07:56] <niklaas> I have issues subscribing to bugs on BTS. Clicking on "subscribe" and sending an empty mail to the provided mail doesn't work. I don't get a reply stating success.
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1270 [20:29:39] <jhutchins> __FBi: Logs. Always look in the logs.
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1273 [20:30:12] <jhutchins> It's really annoying that modern email clients can't send mail over imap.
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1275 [20:31:15] <Fox> imap ? send ? really ?
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1277 [20:34:11] <jhutchins> Yep. Part of the spec.
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1279 [20:34:19] <jennie> hello
1280 [20:34:20] <bites> woot?
1281 [20:34:22] <Fox> i'd love to see that spec
1282 [20:34:52] <Fox> if a mail client uses imap to send mail i'd say it's broken
1283 [20:35:41] <jennie> when trying to copy one hdd to another hdd in ntfs partition, whats the way to do it faster under debian, right now, speed is only 8mb/s, i have 4tb and with this speed its going to take many weeks, i dont have this much time, please help
1284 [20:35:55] <jennie> hdd 3.5inch, sata connected to motherboard
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1288 [20:39:35] <jhutchins> Fox: So something that has a feature you're ignorant of is broken?
1289 [20:40:02] <Darcidride> Hi, i'm trying to seting up dropbear to unlock a crypted partition at boot (on top of ProxmoxVE 5.x and LUKS/cryptsetup LVM patitions) I met a strange issue, i created some vmbr'x' network interfaces and i bridge my eth0 with vmbr0 (for proxmox needs). After that dropbear doesn't allow (can't mount/start), either eth0 nor vmbr0 (i can't be connected at boot to unlock the crypted parititon because the network interface didn't show up and allow
1290 [20:40:02] <Darcidride> an ip address, tested with eth0 and vmbr0, without the vmbr0/bridge to eth0, it works perfectly) someone can help me ? Thank you in advance :)
1291 [20:40:26] <RoyK> jhutchins: you can *store* messages using imap, as in moving them around or creating a draft and so on, but imap isn't and never was a protocol for *sending*, such as smtp
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1293 [20:41:37] <RoyK> jhutchins: replaced-url
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1316 [21:04:45] <lord_daemon> can someone tell me what is the right package that I should install for the thunar icons to appear. I do not want to install other window managers to do this.
1317 [21:05:04] <bremner> well, some odd setups do actually use imap for sending iirc. something like "outbox".
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1322 [21:07:25] <blaztek> thunar-data
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1328 [21:11:58] <Fox> jhutchins: something that has a feature that's not in it's rfc is broken, yes, nevermind my ignorance
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1339 [21:18:53] <Fox> there's been a draft in fact, but it never made it to the rfc AFAICS replaced-url
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1341 [21:21:09] <bremner> anyway, none of this seems relevant to debian support
1342 [21:21:19] <Fox> for sure
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1348 [21:24:47] <HeXiLeD> got this issue with an sdcard e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. Always says it is in use but fuser shows nothing
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1358 [21:36:55] <RoyK> HeXiLeD: does 'mount' say anything useful?
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1360 [21:40:27] <HeXiLeD> no
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1371 [21:49:42] <buu> How do you actually use this replaced-url
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1375 [21:52:01] <Jemt> Hi. PHP 7.0 and earlier is reaching end-of-life in December. What happens in Debian 9 at that point where we only have 7.0 available? Will it still receive security updates or will the package be replaced with PHP 7.2 ?
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1379 [21:55:21] <ksk> debian will per policy not replace php7 with php7.2, as stables means "not changing"
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1381 [21:55:45] <ksk> and probably support php7 with security patches.
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1383 [21:55:52] <Jemt> ksk: Okay, thanks. Hopefully they will provide patches then-
1384 [21:55:52] <oft_gegong> what if i feel greedy for using debian because of how many packages I get that are in stable?
1385 [21:56:01] <ksk> thats just my general point of view, Im not following php
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1387 [21:56:42] <oft_gegong> php7 is so cool
1388 [21:57:05] <queip> oft_gegong: no version of php is
1389 [21:57:24] <bites> debian makes exceptions for some cases. php7.2 hopefully being one of them.
1390 [21:57:29] <oft_gegong> what about back in the day? good ol' 1.0, it was just as good as programming in C
1391 [21:57:44] <Jemt> bites: Fingers crossed
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1393 [21:58:51] <bites> but i can't find a discussion for that topic right now.
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1395 [21:59:45] <buu> Like, how do you use this hands off thing to start the auto type install?
1396 [21:59:48] <buu> It says something about dhcp
1397 [22:00:50] <Jemt> Got to go. Bye :-)
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1400 [22:01:59] <ksk> buu: PXE environemnts are common for that.
1401 [22:02:21] <buu> But how do I set a debconf flag?
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1461 [23:10:58] <buu> So to use replaced-url
1462 [23:11:28] <buu> It links to a manual that 404s and at no point tells you how to use it lol
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1473 [23:18:25] <project80> Can amd gpu pro be installed on debian?
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1495 [23:31:52] <lf94> Hey, how can I install a single package from debian testing, to debian stable? The package is nettle-dev
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1508 [23:37:20] <usney> lf94 you can use wget and dpkg -i packagename
1509 [23:37:38] <usney> but it may require other testing packages
1510 [23:38:23] <met> maybe it's in backports
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1512 [23:38:26] <coruja> it's quite bad practice, better looking for that package in backports or - if not available - backport it yourself
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1514 [23:39:00] <usney> lf94 are you using debian 9.5 and amd64?
1515 [23:39:06] <usney> yea do backports
1516 [23:39:15] <lf94> yes
1517 [23:39:16] <lf94> ok
1518 [23:39:35] * lf94 looks up backports to remember how to do that
1519 [23:39:40] <iTeV> otherwise you might end up having a frankendebian ;)
1520 [23:39:55] <lf94> yes I've had that before. It is not fun.
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1524 [23:42:45] <crash_> backports is not frankendebian
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1527 [23:43:47] <coruja> ,v nettle-dev
1528 [23:43:48] <judd> Package: nettle-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4-3; wheezy-security: 2.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.1-5+deb8u2; stretch: 3.3-1+b2; buster: 3.4-1; sid: 3.4-1
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1530 [23:44:17] <iTeV> but the plan what he originally had is :P
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1538 [23:51:10] <chocolate> can use /tmp as a symlink of /tmp inside /home for example... ? it is taking all the space of the first partition...
1539 [23:51:21] <rant> crash_: it is when people do dumb stuff like trying to dist upgrade to it
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1541 [23:53:33] <rant> chocolate: try a bind if it doesnt work binds work where symlinks dont
1542 [23:53:59] <rant> chocolate: mount --bind /src /dst
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1545 [23:55:46] <chocolate> rant: thanks for advice
1546 [23:55:54] <usney> how do you dist upgrade to backports? rant
1547 [23:56:03] <crash_> rant: backports is not for that, you are only soupussed to use with some packages and not all of them
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