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27 [00:18:58] <fishfears> saw the wall message just now. popped in just to say, congratulations. thank you, debian. :3
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30 [00:21:12] <retrospectacus> dpkg: party!
31 [00:21:12] <dpkg> it has been said that party is Lego, and alcohol
32 [00:21:26] <dvs> ???
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34 [00:22:14] <retrospectacus> whatever floats your boat dpkg. You handle the lego and I'll take care of the rest
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36 [00:23:55] <dvs> lego pong?
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47 [00:36:08] <dtux> lego drink
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55 [00:40:01] <Ruint> happy birthday :)
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60 [00:45:26] <freebird> I'm really hoping someone can tell me what's going on cuz I'm running out of hair to pull out. I setup 3 VLANs on my Mikrotik router/switch and everything seems to work perfectly in Windows. I then reboot into Debian and while I can ping sights (for example google.com) browsing those websites loads so slow most websites never show up. While there is no Egress deffinition on the port some packets do
61 [00:45:32] <freebird> showup with VLAN IDs according to WireShark, does Debian drop these packets? I have not used or installed vconfig
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65 [00:52:43] <freebird> I've googled quite a bit but I must not be searching well because everything is about adding an interface for tagged traffic. I want the main interface to accept all packets, tagged or untagged
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71 [01:03:35] <michael2> is it possible to move windows in an X session - which doesn't have a window manager?
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73 [01:07:23] <bouba> michael2, if u use wine or virtual machine.
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77 [01:08:11] <michael2> this system doesn't have anything like that
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155 [02:32:24] <usney> I have a graphics card question
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159 [02:34:34] <coruja> is that question a secret?
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161 [02:37:47] <usney> lol no coruja
162 [02:38:25] <usney> Well my graphics card wasn't supported years ago in debian I am wondering if it supports it now before I install on my old refurbished laptop
163 [02:38:33] <usney> let me get the model information
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165 [02:38:50] <usney> to get 3d acceleration
166 [02:38:55] <usney> it works in ubuntu
167 [02:39:43] <usney> radeon xpress 200m ati
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169 [02:40:02] <coruja> you could grab a debian live iso for testing
170 [02:40:13] <usney> yea I was thinking about that
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172 [02:40:49] <usney> but I don't have a dvd burner working at the moment just a CD burner
173 [02:41:15] <coruja> no usb stick at hand?
174 [02:41:21] <usney> well I do want to try out this cd that supposedly allows old machines to use a usb stick
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176 [02:41:43] <usney> my old laptop is too old for a bios with that support
177 [02:41:51] <coruja> i see
178 [02:42:00] <usney> I'll try that out thanks
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292 [04:54:27] <mellotto> quick one: I just got a freshly installed debian. when opening the system settings in plasma, the button "get new themes' is missing.
293 [04:54:41] <mellotto> is this a kown issue? any clue?
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411 [07:59:17] <cmyers> I am running the classic installer on my new system76 laptop (installing 9.5.0 from usb stick) and when I select it from the installer menu, I see the normal GUI but it is super super tiny (like 1cm wide) and repeated 24 times across the screen along the top row
412 [07:59:31] <cmyers> the graphical installer also fails to display properly on my screen
413 [07:59:44] <cmyers> I've googled around to no avail, anyone know how to fix this? I presume some grub boot param or something?
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426 [08:09:12] <cmyers> setting DEBIAN_FRONTEND to text did not work
427 [08:09:23] <cmyers> setting gfxpayload to my screen's native resolution did not work =(
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475 [09:23:39] <soul-d> how do i turn down my mouse dpi in debian google is not helpfull with only xinput stuff i don't have
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488 [09:38:30] <Bustin> Hello, I'm running Debian stretch 9.5, and the xfce desktop environment. I was using linux mint xfce and notice a huge difference in the way fonts appear. Is there a way to essentially "mock" or copy the how fonts are rendered in mint xfce, on my debian install? Firefox seems to render fonts poorly, menu font is rendered poorly, etc.
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494 [09:41:02] <Kohlrabi> Bustin: have you checked fon smoothing replaced-url
495 [09:42:27] <diogenes_> Hello guys, debian stretch stable, it looks like there is an either orphaned package or a broken package in the repos, x-tile gives me segmentation fault.
496 [09:43:11] <tdn> I get these messagaes from smartd but there is no way that the temperature is that high for this one disk. What can cause this? smartd[671]: Device: /dev/sde [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel changed from 65 to 64
497 [09:43:27] <tdn> There are 4 disks in the server right next to each other. And only one disk reports high temp
498 [09:44:25] <jelly> diogenes_: if an app crashes all the time, check the bts and file a bug report if it's not already there
499 [09:44:33] <jelly> !reportbug
500 [09:44:33] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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502 [09:44:52] <diogenes_> jelly, thanks,
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507 [09:48:53] <Bustin> Kohlrabi: I have, but it doesn't seem to change it "system-wide". I mean, my panel and menu font look better. Other applications seems to not be affected
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519 [09:57:11] <blackflow> tdn: why do you think there's no way? there could be mechanical failure and friction raising temps to 65°
520 [09:58:16] <tdn> blackflow, well I am *almost* certain then. Because it is the airflow temp. Not the inside drive temp. This one is 34 degrees. So I dont see there is any way the outside temp can be 65 C.
521 [09:59:09] <tdn> I read somewhere that some drives report this value as "100 - temp_in_C". So that would mean 35 degrees instead which is much more believable. But how do I check if my drive is one that reports it this way.
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523 [10:00:14] <blackflow> tdn: well the sensor is not hanging out of the hdd case to measure the "air flow", if you get what I mean. however, is that disk different from others? could be faulty firmware then, or sensor itself.
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525 [10:01:04] <blackflow> tdn: the normalized value could be 100 - C, but not the absolute
526 [10:01:11] <blackflow> looking at mine, it seems that's the case
527 [10:01:55] <tdn> blackflow, that disk is different from the others. It is seagate. The others are WD
528 [10:02:37] <tdn> blackflow, looking in gsmartcontrol, it says "Norm-ed value" for airflow temp is 65
529 [10:02:49] <blackflow> tdn: you know what, I'm totally wrong about this, and you're right. that smartd log is logging NORMALIZED value
530 [10:02:51] <tdn> Not sure where to see the absolute value
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532 [10:03:07] <blackflow> tdn: run smartctl -a /dev/<that disk> and look at the attrib 190
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534 [10:03:28] <blackflow> so yeah, 65 -> 64 change is normalized, the "VALUE" column.
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536 [10:03:35] <tdn> 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 064 055 045 Old_age Always - 36 (Min/Max 30/36)
537 [10:03:43] <blackflow> right.
538 [10:04:01] <tdn> So it is safe to ignore this?
539 [10:04:03] <blackflow> yup
540 [10:04:36] <tdn> blackflow, so the correct airflow temp atm is 36 C?
541 [10:04:51] <blackflow> seems so
542 [10:04:59] <tdn> This is a horribly unintuitive way of reporting a temp. What is the reason for doing that??
543 [10:05:30] <blackflow> smartd logs don't interpret attributes and log normalized values only, I forgot about that
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548 [10:16:23] <moussa> celyr i finally got to work on the box again
549 [10:16:30] <StringLiteral> hello, is "rednotebook" really not available on stretch? it would be a pity, as it is a nice text application
550 [10:16:44] <StringLiteral> with useful features
551 [10:17:02] <moussa> i removed all the hd, still come up with the kernel panic
552 [10:17:50] <moussa> none free firmware maybe missing??
553 [10:17:59] <StringLiteral> also a post here about it which says it can be installed from sid; replaced-url
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555 [10:18:26] <StringLiteral> but I guess it is not recommended, right?
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581 [10:49:10] <jelly> ,v rednotebook
582 [10:49:11] <judd> Package: rednotebook on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.0-1; jessie: 1.8.1-1
583 [10:49:25] <jelly> ,bug rm rednotebook
584 [10:49:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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586 [10:51:48] <jelly> StringLiteral: it's not in debian any more at all, not even sid, just the old releases.
587 [10:52:49] <jelly> StringLiteral: last comment on that page points to upstream mailing list and someone's personal repo with packages for stretch. Your choice whether you can trust those.
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595 [11:01:32] <JustASlacker> Is there a way to get the build script debian uses to build its packages?
596 [11:01:53] <JustASlacker> we want to build an version of openssl in a debian compatible way
597 [11:02:53] <JustASlacker> in slackware, there are buildscripts available. often enough you just have to change the version string in those and have the same options
598 [11:03:07] <JustASlacker> how would I do something like that in Debian
599 [11:03:57] <jelly> !package rebuild
600 [11:03:58] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
601 [11:04:04] <jelly> !deb-src
602 [11:04:04] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
603 [11:04:54] <jelly> JustASlacker: you can ask the bot about other things in private, eg. /msg dpkg debian/rules
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606 [11:07:17] <jelly> JustASlacker: if however you want a _different_, esp. later version, you might look at starting from deb-src for a newer debian release (unstable branch, or testing branch). /msg dpkg ssb
607 [11:09:10] <JustASlacker> jelly: starting with deb-src is a good idea.
608 [11:09:17] <JustASlacker> kinda obvious
609 [11:10:05] <JustASlacker> thanks
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626 [11:20:58] <StringLiteral> jelly, right, thank you, meanwhile I found out that I got wrong info about the features, turns out they don't cover what I need
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628 [11:22:51] <StringLiteral> is there a relatively feature-rich note-taking program in debian repos?
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631 [11:26:04] <Iridos> ever heard of emacs? :-}
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634 [11:26:31] <StringLiteral> I have some suitable programs but they are available as ppa..how do you see installing from ppa?
635 [11:26:37] <Iridos> even its features got features
636 [11:26:46] <StringLiteral> yes, it is too feature rich
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638 [11:27:00] <StringLiteral> and it is not a note taking program
639 [11:27:16] <Iridos> it is
640 [11:27:24] <StringLiteral> for you
641 [11:27:26] <StringLiteral> not for me
642 [11:27:45] <Iridos> well, we're on shaky ground there
643 [11:28:10] <StringLiteral> anyway, for your question, yes. but it is not what I look for
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646 [11:29:45] <StringLiteral> is installing from ppa a deadly sin?
647 [11:30:08] <StringLiteral> (as some assert)
648 [11:30:56] <babilen> Depends on the PPA, but yes ..
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655 [11:32:57] <StringLiteral> ok, I am a sinner
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658 [11:33:54] <jelly> ppa infrastructure uses ubuntu releases as build environment. It's anyone's guess how well the results map to whatever's in a particular debian release.
659 [11:34:14] <StringLiteral> I searched around but there is not a single such program other than nixnote which for some reason began to give error
660 [11:34:22] <jelly> slightly more sane thing to do is take deb-src from a ppa, inspect their debian/ directory, and build locally
661 [11:35:19] <StringLiteral> jelly, I don't have an understanding of these things, I don't know what to look at.
662 [11:35:47] <jelly> that's just more reason not to use the binary results then :-)
663 [11:36:46] <StringLiteral> there is only a single note-taking program in debian repos, in the current sense of the word, and it is nixnote. there is nothing else to do but going out to ppas or to wild web which is worse
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665 [11:39:00] <jelly> ppas are pretty much as crazy as random web
666 [11:39:16] <jelly> some are good, some are really bad, some even work on debian
667 [11:39:34] <Unit193> Aren't all the kids looking for flatpaks now?
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669 [11:40:02] <JustASlacker> there are too many damn package alternatives
670 [11:40:03] <blackflow> no, snaps.
671 [11:40:13] <JustASlacker> let me docker that
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673 [11:40:34] <jelly> the only thing canonical does there is provide infrastructure for, really, anyone to automate building and distribubuting .deb for a set of ubuntu releases
674 [11:40:44] <JustASlacker> I have a docker container, that uses flatpacks to install snap
675 [11:41:22] <Unit193> JustASlacker: To run lxc?
676 [11:41:27] <jelly> Unit193, blackflow: appimages, heathens
677 [11:41:32] <JustASlacker> Unit193: right!
678 [11:41:34] <blackflow> mwahaha!
679 [11:41:46] <StringLiteral> oh could I have a chance to find one of the other programs if I install and use flatpak ?
680 [11:41:58] <Unit193> jelly: That's the one I tend to forget about, not even really sure where that one came from.
681 [11:42:20] <blackflow> you'll have better chance with snaps, I wasn't kidding. rumor has it there's vastly more interest for snaps than flatpaks. what's this "appimage" thing someone mentioned? :)
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683 [11:42:41] <blackflow> (and the rumor means to suggest there's vastly more snaps than flatpaks)
684 [11:42:51] <JustASlacker> isnt there also zero install or something
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686 [11:43:04] <Unit193> blackflow: snapd is only well maintained on Ubuntu though, flatpak is up to date on Ubuntu as well as "everywhere" else.
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690 [11:44:59] <blackflow> Unit193: it works fine on Debian too. it's just a bit less integrated into the desktop from my experience.
691 [11:45:17] <Iridos> StringLiteral, why don't you just get the thing labeled "source distribution" for rednotebook? Seems to be just python stuff
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693 [11:45:29] <blackflow> for example snaps' .desktop files aren't automatically added to launchers on debian DEs
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695 [11:45:55] <StringLiteral> Iridos, as I mentioned above afterwards, rednotebook turned out that it didn't cover all my feature needs
696 [11:46:35] <StringLiteral> (which amount to basically two or three)
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698 [11:47:17] <ayekat> in the end, when there are more of those "unified package managers" than distribution package manager, people might realise that distribution package managers aren't that bad after all
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700 [11:47:42] <JustASlacker> arent there already
701 [11:47:45] <Iridos> au
702 [11:47:47] <Iridos> ah*
703 [11:47:47] <StringLiteral> brb, need to restart after flatpak install
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708 [11:48:51] <blackflow> flatsnaps won't replace .deb, ever. it's a different paradigm, one of containerized app delivery straight from the vendor without the maintainership middleman. that has its use but cannot replace distributions and their packages.
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710 [11:49:35] <blackflow> if anything, it might reduce the role of distributions to that of being a base OS atop of which third party containers are installed straight from the vendor
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736 [12:28:21] <blingrang> Hi, I have a secondary disk mounted on my system as /mnt/back. For some reason, it always remounts as RO on reboot. I've tried the fstab options and they don't work. Only this works `mount -o remount,rw /mnt/back`
737 [12:30:13] <blingrang> This is what my fstab entry looked like '/dev/sda /mnt/back ext4 rw 0 2'
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739 [12:31:09] <StringLiteral> thank you for your mention of flatpak in our former conversation, I found what I needed!
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746 [12:38:31] <petemc> blingrang: anything in dmesg/syslog about the disk?
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748 [12:40:03] <blingrang> petemc, Just this "Expecting device dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-BACK.device..."
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750 [12:41:24] <unmy> blingrang, sda? not sda1 sda2 etc? show whole original line
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758 [12:47:58] <StringLiteral> I'd like to correct myself having said that nixnote is the only note-taking app available..there is KeepNote which is just as good, as it seems..though it doesn't copy-paste images, either..still, nice, clean look
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760 [12:48:05] <blingrang> unmy, petemc replaced-url
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762 [12:49:51] <blingrang> Yikes. The fstab entry mount point should be /mnt/back. I forgot to edit it.
763 [12:49:58] <StringLiteral> and even more feature-rich
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805 [13:10:12] <StringLiteral> flatpak installed a program first, but it began to give error with others, "required runtime for someprogram (org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.11) is not installed.." and then "error: While pulling runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.26 from remote flathub: Error receiving data: Connection reset by peer"
806 [13:10:46] <StringLiteral> whereas I dont have kde but gnome..
807 [13:11:04] <StringLiteral> with other failed installs it shows this, though (org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.26)
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811 [13:20:15] <StringLiteral> solved, thank you
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843 [13:49:19] <diogenes_> Hello guys, how can i locally download a package instead of installing it, for instance apt install onboard but i wanna get only the onboard.deb?
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845 [13:49:48] <SwedeMike> diogenes_: replaced-url
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848 [13:50:18] <diogenes_> SwedeMike, thanks, i will have a look.
849 [13:50:28] <jelly> diogenes_: apt-get download blah
850 [13:51:30] <diogenes_> jelly, as i come from debian based distros, they claim that using apt is a better way than apt-get, so what is the thing with debian? is it apt or apt-get recommended?
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855 [13:53:56] <jelly> diogenes_: in this case, use the command that has the functionality you asked for
856 [13:54:12] <diogenes_> ok thanks
857 [13:54:32] <jelly> /usr/bin/apt does not have a "download" command yet.
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860 [13:55:15] <diogenes_> ooops looks like the package.deb was already in /var/cache/apt/archives so it was downloaded automatically when i did apt install
861 [13:55:22] <jelly> it's relatively new and somewhat nicer to use compared to apt-get, but its functionality is not complete and things may yet change around
862 [13:55:27] <bites> or just an incomplete man page.
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865 [13:56:13] <ayekat> yop, `apt download` works fine here
866 [13:56:14] <jelly> that's just a point for it being new and in flux
867 [13:56:55] <jelly> diogenes_: see also -d option for apt-get install.
868 [13:57:25] <diogenes_> jelly, ok, much new info :) thanks
869 [13:58:58] <ayekat> afaik, apt is meant for command line usage and does _explicitly_ not guarantee a stable interface (i.e. options to change)
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871 [13:59:12] <ayekat> whereas apt-get guarantees a stable interface, and is thus well-suited for scripts and such
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878 [14:04:38] <diogenes_> I don't know if it's the right place but it would be nice if you can include this into the main repo: replaced-url
879 [14:05:05] <diogenes_> afaik devilspie is dead and this is an improved verion of it
880 [14:05:11] <diogenes_> version*
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893 [14:10:34] <jelly> devilspie was pretty much feature complete, wasn't it
894 [14:10:45] <jelly> ,v devilspie
895 [14:10:46] <judd> Package: devilspie on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.22-2; jessie: 0.23-2; buster: 0.23-2+b1; sid: 0.23-2+b1; stretch: 0.23-2+b1
896 [14:10:49] <jelly> ,v devilspie2
897 [14:10:50] <judd> Package: devilspie2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20-1; jessie: 0.38-1; stretch: 0.42-1; buster: 0.43-2; sid: 0.43-2
898 [14:11:27] <jelly> the right way to request something to be packaged is probably
899 [14:11:30] <jelly> !rfp
900 [14:11:30] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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902 [14:12:42] <diogenes_> jelly, once again thanks, it will take little time till i get familiar with the entire debian ecosystem.
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917 [14:25:35] <jollyjester> yo
918 [14:25:40] <jollyjester> someone help me with urxvt
919 [14:25:47] <jollyjester> for some reason it won't execute any scripts
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921 [14:25:52] <jollyjester> i don't even know if it uses perls by default
922 [14:26:43] <jollyjester> so uhh tl;dr rxvt-unicode won't execute any keybindings that use perl in the .Xresources file
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924 [14:27:03] <jelly> under URxvt*something ?
925 [14:27:28] <jelly> pardon, URxvt.something
926 [14:27:57] <jollyjester> i don't get it
927 [14:28:02] <jollyjester> what do you mean?
928 [14:28:07] <jollyjester> here let me upload my config file
929 [14:28:08] <jollyjester> wait
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931 [14:29:07] <jollyjester> jelly, replaced-url
932 [14:29:10] <jollyjester> here have a look at it
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937 [14:32:52] <jollyjester> someone help me replaced-url
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943 [14:39:04] <lord_daemon> I'm using extended monitor. when accessing with vnc, it only shows the first monitor. so I'm forced to run the command on the actual machine: x11vnc so I can remotely access and see the extended monitor screen. what command via ssh can be done so that I can see the two screens when accessing through vncviewer?
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946 [14:41:42] <jelly> what does "extended monitor" mean?
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948 [14:42:19] <jelly> lord_daemon: what does "xrandr -q" say when you're logged in at the console (not via vnc)?
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950 [14:42:21] <jelly> !paste
951 [14:42:21] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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955 [14:45:45] <lord_daemon> jelly When I get to work, I send the output.
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958 [14:47:23] <jelly> running kde with free intel drivers on debian 8 and now 9, I see a virtual screen spanning both monitors over x11vnc.
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960 [14:49:23] <jelly> lord_daemon: see how "screen 0" current geometry shows size larger than just 1680x1050 or just 1024x1280 replaced-url
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964 [14:50:54] <jelly> however, since Debian 9 I have to leave both monitors switched on when leaving, or Xorg resets their geometry to 0x0 each. When both are 0x0 this has interesting consequences.
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973 [15:00:09] <lord_daemon> jelly interesting parameter, it will show my two video outputs. I only executed xrandr.
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1008 [15:29:38] <lord_daemon> jelly mine is also turning off the second monitor automatically, I'll turn it off.
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1023 [15:40:22] <jelly> lord_daemon: "xrandr" and "xrandr -q" basically show the same thing
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1040 [15:55:28] <Megaf> Hello everyone, I have my system installed in an encrupted partiton, using Luks. it works well on stable kernel but if I try to use, say the kernel from backports, then system will no longer boot
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1044 [15:56:09] <Megaf> I no longers accept my encryption password, keeps saying it's incorrect
1045 [15:56:43] <nkuttler> it's probably incorrect
1046 [15:57:18] <Megaf> mate, the stable kernel works 100% of the time, kernel from backports doesnt
1047 [15:57:28] <Megaf> so something was changed in the new kernel
1048 [15:57:33] <nkuttler> so if you boot the old kernel, you can decrypt the disk?
1049 [15:57:41] <Megaf> corret
1050 [15:57:44] <Megaf> Correct
1051 [15:57:59] <nkuttler> hrm. my first guess would be something about the bootprocess. check those grub entries i guess
1052 [15:58:09] <Megaf> they are identical
1053 [15:58:25] <Megaf> each with its own respective kernel and initrd I mean
1054 [15:58:33] <nkuttler> file a bug against the backport then
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1056 [15:59:00] <Megaf> I will not
1057 [15:59:02] <Megaf> can't
1058 [15:59:10] <mpo> Do you use kernel 4.17.0-2, Megaf ?
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1060 [15:59:25] <Megaf> 4.9.0
1061 [15:59:44] <Megaf> 4.17 will say the password is incorrect
1062 [15:59:52] <jelly> Megaf: which initramfs-tools version do you have installed?
1063 [16:00:02] <jelly> ,v initramfs-tools
1064 [16:00:03] <judd> Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.109.1; jessie: 0.120+deb8u3; stretch: 0.130; buster: 0.132; sid: 0.132
1065 [16:00:03] <Megaf> latest from backports
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1067 [16:00:28] <Megaf> 0.130
1068 [16:00:51] <Megaf> Actually it's from stable, but still
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1070 [16:01:25] <jelly> Megaf: and cryptsetup?
1071 [16:01:54] <Megaf> Package: cryptsetup
1072 [16:01:55] <Megaf> Version: 2:1.7.3-4
1073 [16:02:00] <jelly> ,v cryptsetup
1074 [16:02:01] <judd> Package: cryptsetup on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.4.3-4; jessie: 2:1.6.6-5; stretch: 2:1.7.3-4; buster: 2:2.0.4-2; sid: 2:2.0.4-2
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1076 [16:02:28] <Megaf> My whole system is stable/stable-backports updated
1077 [16:02:37] <jelly> Megaf: is it possible the initramfs on bpo kernel sets up a different keyboard layout
1078 [16:02:39] <Megaf> but linux-image-amd64 because it wont boot
1079 [16:03:04] <jelly> so you're typing in some incorrect variant of the passphrase
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1081 [16:03:25] <Megaf> If I'm not mistaken, if I I upgrade to Buster or Sid I will have the same problem with newer kernels
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1085 [16:04:54] <Megaf> jelly: and I have no idea,
1086 [16:05:05] <jarfr> Hi everybody , someone know how many time to deploy an experimental package to buster ? (firefox-esr) thx
1087 [16:05:08] <jelly> Megaf: are you left in busybox shell after typing it in "incorrect" a couple times
1088 [16:05:43] <Megaf> can't recall, I really don't recall having an incorrect layout at anytime with the newer kernels in busybox
1089 [16:05:51] <Megaf> Don't think so
1090 [16:06:25] <jelly> jarfr: "forever". Packages from experimental NEVER get pulled to unstable and down to testing. A new version and new upload to unstable has to happen.
1091 [16:07:33] <jelly> Megaf: I'd verify keymap first, then I'd try rebuilding initramfs anew, then I'd look for bug reports and file a bug, that is, a mail to the backports list.
1092 [16:07:51] <Megaf> rebuilt initramfs many times
1093 [16:07:57] <Megaf> trying different stuff
1094 [16:08:00] <Megaf> nothing worked
1095 [16:08:59] <jelly> Megaf: did you try dropping into initramfs busybox and manually cryptsetup luksOpen ...?
1096 [16:09:15] <jarfr> Ok thx jelly !
1097 [16:09:15] <jelly> !debug initramfs
1098 [16:09:17] <dpkg> i guess initramfsdebug is replaced-url
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1126 [16:36:28] <ichtar|work> morning
1127 [16:36:54] <ichtar|work> anyone ever used polkit to authorize non root to resstart systemd services ?
1128 [16:37:20] <Brigo> ichtar|work, i hope no.
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1147 [16:49:55] <ichtar|work> why Brigo ?
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1150 [16:50:55] <RoyK> ichtar|work: just use sudo
1151 [16:51:16] <Brigo> because logind (part of systemd) is intended to replace polkit
1152 [16:51:26] <ichtar|work> ok , this polkit is so screwed
1153 [16:51:27] <ichtar|work> ?
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1155 [16:52:55] <Brigo> ichtar|work, systemd had a lot of success because of that.
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1157 [16:53:40] <ichtar|work> writing pkla is not so well documented, I may go for sudo
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1173 [17:00:41] <ichtar|work> lol
1174 [17:00:48] <ichtar|work> ok thanks guy I need to staert my we
1175 [17:00:50] <ichtar|work> have a good one
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1237 [17:57:12] <Bushmaster> hi, i just installed debian, but it wont allow me to update, can anyone help
1238 [17:57:23] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
1239 [17:57:23] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1240 [17:57:38] <greycat> In addition to that, make sure your Internet access is working.
1241 [17:58:06] <Bushmaster> thanks greycat
1242 [17:58:20] <Bushmaster> can you kindly help me to edit source list, as i am new to these
1243 [17:58:35] <greycat> if you are not familiar with any of the traditional text editors, try nano
1244 [17:58:43] <greycat> "su", then "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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1249 [18:00:31] <Bushmaster> greycat, this is what i got replaced-url
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1253 [18:03:47] <RoyK> Bushmaster: remove the cdrom line from the sources.list file
1254 [18:03:53] <Bushmaster> dpkg, this is what i got replaced-url
1255 [18:03:53] <dpkg> Bushmaster: what are you talking about?
1256 [18:04:18] <RoyK> Bushmaster: dpkg is a bot <(
1257 [18:04:20] <RoyK> Bushmaster: dpkg is a bot ;)
1258 [18:05:06] <Bushmaster> Royk and greycat this is what I got from source list replaced-url
1259 [18:05:30] <RoyK> Bushmaster: as i said - remove the line with the cdrom
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1261 [18:05:51] <RoyK> you neither want nor need it
1262 [18:06:37] <Bushmaster> okay done that
1263 [18:06:44] <Bushmaster> but do i need to change the next three lines too?
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1265 [18:07:01] <RoyK> Bushmaster: doubt it
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1268 [18:07:48] <Bushmaster> it has ftp in it but dpkg three lines posted above do not
1269 [18:08:33] <Bushmaster> Royk can you kindly tell me which three lines would be best, the one dpkg posted above or the original my one as it is with ftp in it?
1270 [18:08:46] <greycat> Are the ones you have right now working?
1271 [18:09:01] <Bushmaster> yes i am in source list yes
1272 [18:09:04] <greycat> If not... then why would you think you should keep them?
1273 [18:09:42] <RoyK> Bushmaster: those lines point to different repos - just try to upgrade, please
1274 [18:09:47] <Bushmaster> i do not know whether they are working, but i think whatever best you suggest i will do, i would need to install lot of mathematical software like R, Scilab, Python etc hence i asked
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1276 [18:10:07] <RoyK> those are all in the standard repos
1277 [18:10:09] <greycat> 11:57 Bushmaster> hi, i just installed debian, but it wont allow me to update
1278 [18:10:18] <greycat> Sounded to me like it wasn't working.
1279 [18:10:30] <RoyK> greycat: it was that cdrom line
1280 [18:10:40] <Bushmaster> yes, well i posted before what was happening in pastebin, i think RoyK seen it
1281 [18:10:51] <RoyK> Bushmaster: please just try
1282 [18:11:00] <Bushmaster> so RoyK i do not need to change the opther three lines at all right
1283 [18:11:13] <Bushmaster> okay RoyK i will update now
1284 [18:11:14] <RoyK> no
1285 [18:11:22] <RoyK> do I have to repeat myself?
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1289 [18:12:43] <Bushmaster> is it apt-get update command right?
1290 [18:12:52] <RoyK> or just apt update
1291 [18:13:03] <RoyK> then apt upgrade or apt dist-upgrade
1292 [18:13:13] <RoyK> if this is a new system, better run apt dist-upgrade to get all the new stuff
1293 [18:13:17] <RoyK> then apt autoremove
1294 [18:13:52] <RoyK> then perhaps a reboot if you've gotten a new kernel or libc in there
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1296 [18:14:27] <Bushmaster> RoyK, this is what i got now replaced-url
1297 [18:14:40] <RoyK> good
1298 [18:14:50] <RoyK> then apt dist-upgrade
1299 [18:14:58] <Bushmaster> now will run apt dist-upgrade following your advice okay
1300 [18:14:59] <RoyK> as I told you above
1301 [18:16:16] <Bushmaster> now i got this RoyK replaced-url
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1303 [18:16:38] <RoyK> Bushmaster: then everything is up to date
1304 [18:16:41] <Bushmaster> it did not add anything new
1305 [18:17:01] <Bushmaster> shall i run that last command autoremove
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1307 [18:17:26] <RoyK> no need when it says '0 to remove'
1308 [18:17:31] <Bushmaster> okay
1309 [18:17:47] <Bushmaster> cool, i can now go ahead installing R from synaptic package manager right?
1310 [18:18:38] <RoyK> apt seems R 3.3.3 is in the default repos
1311 [18:18:38] <apt> RoyK: okay
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1313 [18:18:50] <RoyK> Bushmaster: that was for you, sorry
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1315 [18:20:04] <Bushmaster> RoyK, i went to synaptic and installing r-base from there
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1317 [18:21:47] <jim> is there a way to get the name of the source package for libgit2-dev?
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1320 [18:23:30] <jim> (I want to build the one from buster/sid)
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1322 [18:23:41] <RoyK> Bushmaster: what's wrong with the ones in the repos?
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1324 [18:24:45] <RoyK> Bushmaster: synaptic is just a gui to use apt
1325 [18:24:47] <RoyK> same thing
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1327 [18:25:35] <Brigo> RoyK, is not just a gui, the resolver is different
1328 [18:25:40] <RoyK> apt install r-base and perhaps apt-cache search '^r-' to see the other parts already packaged
1329 [18:25:42] <Brigo> it can solve problems apt can't.
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1331 [18:25:59] <RoyK> Brigo: shouldn't matter much on a new system
1332 [18:26:13] <Bushmaster> RoyK R is installed now
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1334 [18:26:32] <RoyK> Bushmaster: fine - try it
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1338 [18:27:13] <jim> found it, nm
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1352 [18:39:09] <bremner> so uh, 9.5 isos can't be verified from within 9.5?
1353 [18:39:21] <bremner> (new CD signing key?)
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1355 [18:39:42] <bremner> oh, maybe I have to explicitly point at the right keyring
1356 [18:40:41] <jim> how would I list all the packages I put on hold?
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1359 [18:42:05] <bremner> iirc, apt-mark can help with that
1360 [18:42:14] <Komanda8765> i must do a python pip upgrade on an old debian server that hasnt been updated for a couple of years but is humming along just fine
1361 [18:42:24] <Komanda8765> it throws me ssl errors
1362 [18:42:31] <Komanda8765> openssl s_client -connect pypi.org:443
1363 [18:42:40] <Komanda8765> 140279258846888:error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:1195:SSL alert number 40 140279258846888:error:1409E0E5:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_BYTES:ssl handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:591:
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1365 [18:43:44] <jhutchins> Komanda8765: What release is it running?
1366 [18:44:15] <Komanda8765> uname -a
1367 [18:44:21] <Komanda8765> Linux default 2.6.32-312-ec2 #24-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 7 18:30:50 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1368 [18:44:35] <greycat> !ubuntu
1369 [18:44:35] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1370 [18:45:01] <Komanda8765> wtf i was sure it was debian
1371 [18:45:05] <Komanda8765> appearantly not
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1374 [18:45:42] <Bushmaster> THANK YOU RoyK Things are looking up
1375 [18:45:46] <bremner> hrm. I wonder if there is some easier way than "gpgv --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS" to verify the iso.
1376 [18:46:12] <Bushmaster> i still need to install QGIS but updated version, it has some info in QGIS site but i will get to it some other time
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1378 [18:47:44] <RoyK> Bushmaster: which version do you need? I haven't touched QGIS for years :)
1379 [18:48:01] <Bushmaster> Roy K, let me check
1380 [18:48:12] <RoyK> seems 2.14 is in stretch
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1386 [18:49:04] <Bushmaster> RoyK, this one replaced-url
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1389 [18:49:46] <Bushmaster> either 3.2 or 2.18
1390 [18:50:11] <RoyK> seems there's a repo there for debian - should work
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1392 [18:50:27] <RoyK> just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/somename.list
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1396 [18:52:37] <RoyK> or /etc/apt/sources.list, but it's generally a good idea to add those 3rd party repos to separate fies to keep control
1397 [18:53:05] <Bushmaster> RoyK, i will have to do it some other time i think i am in crisis cos i wanted to installed R Commander following this link replaced-url
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1399 [18:53:29] <RoyK> Bushmaster: it takes about 20 seconds to install that repo
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1402 [18:54:35] <jak2000> hi all, how to do: after start the server run a batch? if possible after promt the login wait 3 minutes and then execute the .sh command... thanks
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1404 [18:54:45] <Bushmaster> RoyK here is the problem replaced-url
1405 [18:54:50] <Bushmaster> with R commander
1406 [18:55:05] <Bushmaster> it stucks, now all it is showing in command line is a solid black promot
1407 [18:55:08] <Bushmaster> prompt
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1409 [18:56:28] <jelly> greycat: a kernel for some random cloud provider (and EC2 isn't THAT random) may have been built on Ubuntu, but that does not make the userspace automatically Ubuntu
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1411 [18:57:13] <greycat> Fair.
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1418 [19:00:22] <Komanda8765> turns out i have an old debian server that was treated like a ubuntu server
1419 [19:00:26] <Komanda8765> ssl is broken
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1422 [19:00:56] <Komanda8765> replaced-url
1423 [19:00:56] <greycat> what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say
1424 [19:01:05] <Komanda8765> apt-cache policy
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1426 [19:01:20] <Komanda8765> wheezy/sid
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1428 [19:01:28] <Komanda8765> cat /etc/debian_version
1429 [19:01:31] <greycat> 500 replaced-url
1430 [19:01:32] <greycat> oh jesus
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1433 [19:02:23] <greycat> you've got ubuntu natty AND debian lenny AND debian squeeze AND debian multimedia AND debian sid in there, at least... that's where I stopped looking
1434 [19:02:24] <jelly> that's a mix of lenny, squeeze at sid time, some ubuntu, some custom repos and I have NO IDEA where openssl 1.0.0e came from, that'd be wheezy-level stuff
1435 [19:02:43] <Komanda8765> yeah
1436 [19:02:45] <jelly> libc6 is VERY early squeeze
1437 [19:02:58] <Komanda8765> want cat /etc/apt/sources.list ?
1438 [19:03:03] <greycat> it's a miracle anything works at all
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1440 [19:03:12] <jelly> apt-cache policy tells us enough :-)
1441 [19:03:13] <Komanda8765> the old legacy stuff works file
1442 [19:03:29] <Komanda8765> its just that ssl is broken
1443 [19:03:37] <Komanda8765> which i need for praw upgrade
1444 [19:03:43] <jelly> Komanda8765: this is the thing: openssl used by python2 is NOT the openssl your "openssl" command shows, for one thing
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1446 [19:04:14] <annadane> apt policy basically is /etc/apt/sources.list
1447 [19:04:14] <apt> okay, annadane
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1449 [19:04:19] <annadane> for fuck sake
1450 [19:04:26] <annadane> apt, forget policy basically
1451 [19:04:26] <apt> annadane: i forgot policy basically
1452 [19:04:27] <jelly> Komanda8765: how much money are you losing each hour or day this thing does not work?
1453 [19:04:38] <jelly> um
1454 [19:04:45] <jelly> who unmuted apt.
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1456 [19:05:18] <Komanda8765> jelly: just a legacy hobby project that isn't worth to much time
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1458 [19:05:23] * jelly wouldn't touch a system like this for free
1459 [19:05:31] <Komanda8765> lol
1460 [19:05:44] <Komanda8765> so i guess i could start with a new server
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1463 [19:05:54] <jelly> and migrate apps one by one, yes
1464 [19:05:59] <Komanda8765> yeah
1465 [19:06:20] <Komanda8765> guess the running cost of a new server is less than the time it takes to fix this
1466 [19:07:00] <jelly> sanest way forward, instead of figuring out where to get libssl0.9.8 new enough to barely work, but old enough to let python link with it
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1468 [19:07:46] * jelly keeps old libraries around to make old proprietary software kind of work
1469 [19:08:18] <Komanda8765> jelly: hmm
1470 [19:08:24] <Komanda8765> but that doesn't sound har
1471 [19:08:26] <Komanda8765> hard
1472 [19:08:52] <Komanda8765> replaced-url
1473 [19:08:56] <jelly> yeah, I charge $100/hr for stuff that does not sound hard
1474 [19:09:07] <jelly> more if the client is a git
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1476 [19:10:07] <Komanda8765> replaced-url
1477 [19:10:15] <Komanda8765> that seems to be the pkg right
1478 [19:10:31] <Komanda8765> or is different because its for ubuntu?
1479 [19:10:31] <jelly> and then you need to find one that does not rely on newer libc6
1480 [19:10:51] <Komanda8765> couldnt i just do apt-get install libssl0.9.8
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1482 [19:11:12] <jelly> I wouldn't apt-get install anything there
1483 [19:11:30] <jelly> without a snapshot to get back to if things break
1484 [19:11:49] <Komanda8765> hmm
1485 [19:11:55] <Komanda8765> i was just thinking
1486 [19:12:00] <Komanda8765> why not bypass SSL
1487 [19:12:01] <Komanda8765> replaced-url
1488 [19:12:11] <Komanda8765> i could also run python pip in offline mode i guess
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1490 [19:12:18] <Komanda8765> and just manually upload the package
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1492 [19:12:37] <Komanda8765> then i wouldnt have to go through any hassle of setting up a new server
1493 [19:12:47] <Komanda8765> and i also wouldnt have to fix this clustefuck
1494 [19:12:51] <Komanda8765> right
1495 [19:13:10] <bremner> I hope this machine is not exposed to the internet, or you don't mind hosting random malicious people
1496 [19:13:10] <jelly> you absolutely want to install a new system and migrate functionality away, this one is not maintainable
1497 [19:13:36] <jelly> bremner: the good thing about really old systems is kiddie scripts do not even try exploits that old
1498 [19:13:52] <Komanda8765> jelly: i know thats the proper way to do things
1499 [19:14:08] <Komanda8765> but i think i can get it to limp along for just a little bit longer :D
1500 [19:15:11] <jelly> that's also the reasonable way to do it in this case, I wouldn't waste time analyzing the issue and carefully bolting on new bits onto rusty old openssl or python2
1501 [19:15:44] <annadane> it's honestly less frustration to just migrate everything to stretch
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1503 [19:16:31] <jelly> making such crap work again can be a fun exercise, but requires lots of care
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1509 [19:19:44] <jim> I'm trying to install the build deps for libgit2, (so I can build the buster/sid one, so I can get CodeReview to work), but apt build-dep throws an error... here's the output: replaced-url
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1515 [19:20:57] <jak2000> hi all, how to do: after start the server run a batch? if possible after promt the login wait 3 minutes and then execute the .sh command... thanks
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1517 [19:21:34] <greycat> !rc.local
1518 [19:21:34] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
1519 [19:22:10] <greycat> Simplest case, inside rc.local: (sleep 180; /whatever) &
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1522 [19:23:04] <jelly> I have a clone of a similarly crappy lenny system that was still in production (on public internet) last year until an automated script managed to use an old exploit to pwn it. Only made it work again because paid to do so. Told the boss if it happened again, it wonldn't be powered up back.
1523 [19:23:59] <annadane> is there a page for basic security you should have on a debian system besides the defaults, i know there's a hardening guide but i'd just like to know what the bare minimum is that you really should have
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1525 [19:24:39] <jak2000> greycat thanks
1526 [19:24:56] <jelly> annadane: I do not know of a decent one, but even if there were, security isn't a single task to be done, it's an ongoing process
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1529 [19:25:34] <jim> I'm trying to install the build deps for libgit2, (so I can build the buster/sid one, so I can get CodeReview to work), but apt build-dep throws an error... here's the output: replaced-url
1530 [19:26:19] <jelly> ,checkbackport libgit2
1531 [19:26:29] <judd> Backporting package libgit2 in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports, virtual.
1532 [19:26:45] <jim> (apt-mark showhold has no output)
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1534 [19:27:22] <jelly> jim: you need to either: 1) tell apt to it's acceptable to target and install stuff from stretch-backports, or 2) use aptitude which will guide you to do that
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1537 [19:27:59] <jelly> 1) is accomplished by adding -t stretch-backports to the command line
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1539 [19:28:28] <annadane> also IIRC the hardening guide is really old
1540 [19:28:48] <jelly> apt-get and apt will NOT consider stuff from backports repo for installation as automatically pulled dependencies
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1542 [19:29:00] <jim> hmm, do I have aptitude installed... what's the syntax, aptitude -t stretch-backports build-dep libgit2?
1543 [19:29:01] <jelly> even when that repo is configured
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1546 [19:29:22] <jelly> jim: no. EITHER use -t stretch-backports OR use aptitude
1547 [19:29:36] <jim> ok
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1549 [19:29:51] <jim> I go try that
1550 [19:29:54] <jelly> (you can do both at the same time but it's needless)
1551 [19:30:02] <jelly> not needed*
1552 [19:30:27] <annadane> more specifically i'm just wondering what to do with the home folder
1553 [19:30:38] <annadane> i guess the defaults are fine, though
1554 [19:30:48] <annadane> just don't run untrusted garbage
1555 [19:31:03] <RoyK> annadane: chmod -R go-rwx $HOME, perhaps
1556 [19:31:11] <jelly> using -t makes apt / apt-get think it's okay to install as much from backports as possible even if not needed, which is why I prefer aptitude
1557 [19:31:13] <RoyK> just to disable other users' access there
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1559 [19:32:00] <greycat> RoyK: just change the perms on the directory itself, not recursively
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1561 [19:32:23] <jim> when I run 'apt -t stretch-backports build-dep libgit2', it says 'E: Unable to find a source package for libgit2'
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1563 [19:32:27] <RoyK> greycat: either way
1564 [19:32:29] <greycat> RoyK: also, that will fail if this is a web server with ~/public_html/ directories in $HOME
1565 [19:32:32] <jim> I'll try it with aptitude
1566 [19:32:38] <RoyK> greycat: and perhaps change the defaults in useradd or similar
1567 [19:32:51] <jelly> ,v libgit2
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1569 [19:32:52] <judd> No package named 'libgit2' was found in amd64.
1570 [19:32:58] * jelly blinks
1571 [19:33:27] <RoyK> greycat: you'll need o+x on the homedirs for apache home to work, though, and last I checked, not a lot of people use that anymore
1572 [19:33:28] <jelly> ,v libgit2-dev
1573 [19:33:29] <judd> Package: libgit2-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 0.21.1-3; stretch: 0.25.1+really0.24.6-1; buster: 0.27.4+dfsg.1-0.1; sid: 0.27.4+dfsg.1-0.1
1574 [19:34:04] <jim> I want to build the buster one
1575 [19:34:05] <greycat> 0.25.1+really0.24.6-1 ... wut
1576 [19:34:30] <jelly> jim: or tell apt you want a specific version of source package. apt -t stretch-backports build-dep libgit2=0.27.4+dfsg.1-0.1
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1578 [19:34:39] <greycat> RoyK: plus read permissions on the actual files to be served out of public_html
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1580 [19:35:02] <jelly> greycat: "we messed up but don't like using epoch"
1581 [19:35:02] <RoyK> greycat: yeah, but still, do people still use mod_userdir?
1582 [19:35:06] <jim> I'll try that
1583 [19:35:12] <jelly> RoyK: yes
1584 [19:35:19] * jelly cries
1585 [19:35:34] <greycat> well, I use nginx instead of apache, but still
1586 [19:35:43] <jim> ok, that seemed to work
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1590 [19:36:32] <jim> and the libgit2 build seems to be working
1591 [19:36:32] <xijio> how do I add a second ip address to one interface, do I just add a second "address 192.168.1.2" in "/etc/network/interfaces"
1592 [19:36:34] <jelly> jim: now purge all the installed stuff and try aptitude
1593 [19:36:38] <jelly> :-)
1594 [19:37:04] <discovered> rc.local is no longer in debian?
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1596 [19:37:09] <RoyK> any iea if nginx has some way of allowing users to run things like php as their own user? there was a hack for apache for it, but it's pretty far from secure
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1598 [19:37:13] <jim> aptitude threw a different error...
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1600 [19:37:24] <RoyK> discovered: iirc it should work, but please don't - better just use systemd
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1603 [19:37:43] <jim> I'm building on the term where I tried it, so the output isn't available at the moment
1604 [19:37:48] <discovered> I want to execute an application when debian boot.
1605 [19:37:57] <greycat> !rc.local
1606 [19:37:57] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
1607 [19:38:06] <RoyK> discovered: add to crontab @reboot /run/this/thing.sh
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1609 [19:38:13] <greycat> ereplaced-url
1610 [19:38:38] <jim> what's the ereplaced-url
1611 [19:38:42] <xijio> I kinda wanna get the network stuff right cuz I won't be able to have physical access to the device until tomorrow
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1614 [19:39:09] <RoyK> greycat: what?
1615 [19:39:27] <greycat> Bad enough having to look in rc.local to find stuff, but to add *two* crontab locations to the mix?
1616 [19:39:29] <jelly> xijio: what's the interface name?
1617 [19:39:36] <xijio> eno1
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1620 [19:40:30] <RoyK> greycat: I didn't say which crontab - there are a few
1621 [19:40:47] <greycat> I know, so if you want to figure out what the hell started frobozz.sh you have to look in all of them.
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1623 [19:40:57] <RoyK> discovered: learning basic systemd is simple - try :)
1624 [19:41:12] <greycat> If you even *remember* that crontab has an @reboot feature, which may take you several minutes of head-scratching.
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1626 [19:41:30] <xijio> jelly: replaced-url
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1628 [19:41:40] <jelly> xijio: the old legacy way is to use old legacy "aliases", in the interfaces(5) file that's written like this command's output: printf "auto eno1:0\niface eno1:0 inet static\n\taddress 192.168.1.2/24\n"
1629 [19:41:42] <RoyK> greycat: it'd be one of the first things to check if you wonder how that thing started ;)
1630 [19:41:55] <RoyK> greycat: I didn't say it'd be optimal, but that it'd work
1631 [19:41:58] <ntd> @reboot ; /bin/sleep X ; /path/to....
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1633 [19:42:42] <discovered> RoyK, crontab is not better?
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1636 [19:42:55] <RoyK> discovered: systemd is definetely better
1637 [19:43:16] <RoyK> discovered: it'll keep the software running and restart it if it fails
1638 [19:43:16] <xijio> jelly: is there a better way I should be doing it
1639 [19:44:38] <jelly> xijio: eg. replaced-url
1640 [19:45:14] <jelly> xijio: and then run "ifup eno1:0"
1641 [19:45:28] <jelly> or reboot and see if it works
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1644 [19:46:56] <jelly> there might be a better way but not within debian's /etc/network/interfaces. An option is to add ip addr commands inside the main iface eno1 ... stanza
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1646 [19:47:18] <jelly> I use that if there's a zillion secondary IP addresses to be configured
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1648 [19:47:56] <greycat> so what I'm hearing is "Debian hasn't yet implemented a natural way to support multiple IPs on an interface yet"
1649 [19:47:59] <jelly> I guess you'd have to switch to systemd's networkd way of configuration to do it in a nicer way
1650 [19:48:00] <greycat> oops, too many yets
1651 [19:48:22] <jelly> greycat: oh it did, in like 1997 and is sticking with that
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1653 [19:49:24] <jelly> ubuntu is moving away from ifupdown (the thing that /etc/network/interfaces is a config file for, and using their own custom new generator that can generate either networkd or N-M config.
1654 [19:49:28] <jelly> Because reasons.
1655 [19:49:47] <jelly> )
1656 [19:50:04] <xijio> jelly: do I have to do anything speical to get the new interface to auto start on reboot?
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1658 [19:50:36] <jelly> xijio: that line starting with "auto" is the special thing.
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1662 [19:51:42] <xijio> jelly: ah perfect, makes sense. Thanks a ton!
1663 [19:51:50] <galaxie> Hi, so, I messed up fontconfig real bad some weeks ago and it's finally been bothering me enough to try and fix it. So, basically, I tried installing Firefox Quantum, but I didn't quite understand pinning and all, and I must've upgraded/downgraded fontconfig to an incompatible version or something.
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1665 [19:54:39] <galaxie> Here's some of the errors I see everytime I start a GUI application that uses fonts: replaced-url
1666 [19:54:47] <greycat> Trying firefox quantum should have absolutely no pinning involved.
1667 [19:55:01] <galaxie> I just need to know how to reinstall fontconfig to where it recognizes its own config file again.
1668 [19:55:18] <galaxie> greycay: Well, I am running Debian 9 and it was trying to pull it from sid or something??
1669 [19:55:46] <greycat> You try firefox quantum by downloading the tarball (or whatever it uses) from mozilla.com. NOT a .deb file. NOT a .deb file from sid.
1670 [19:55:56] <galaxie> greycat: When I am done fixing this, I'd appreciate an up-to-date tutorial or something that.
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1672 [19:56:07] <galaxie> greycat: Does it automatically upgrade itself?
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1674 [19:57:14] <jelly> galaxie: mozilla's builds update themselves if you unpack them as the same user that runs them. That is, if they have write permissions to their installation directory.
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1677 [19:58:05] <galaxie> jelly: So, I'd unpack it somewhere in /usr/local or something?
1678 [19:58:31] <jelly> /usr/local/firefox might be an option, or /opt/firefox
1679 [19:58:54] <greycat> or ~/firefox or whatever you want
1680 [19:58:59] <jelly> gah
1681 [19:59:02] <galaxie> jelly: OK. So, how do I fix this fontconfig error?
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1683 [19:59:29] <jelly> galaxie: depends on how many packages got upgraded to something newer than stretch
1684 [19:59:41] <galaxie> jelly: Uh, I think it downgraded?
1685 [19:59:56] <galaxie> jelly: I believe it was just fontconfig and maybe a dependency or two of that.
1686 [20:00:05] <jelly> do you have logs?
1687 [20:00:25] <galaxie> jelly: Hmm, but it says: fontconfig/stable,now 2.11.0-6.7+b1 amd64 [installed]
1688 [20:00:35] <jelly> beliefs make for poor package name lists.
1689 [20:01:04] <jelly> !obsolete
1690 [20:01:04] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
1691 [20:01:53] <jelly> see if you can figure out whcih packages you got installed that are not available from any stretch repo. Before that, disable all non-default repos
1692 [20:02:05] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
1693 [20:02:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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1695 [20:02:34] <galaxie> jelly: OK, so the log part was in a gzip'd file, here's the relevant line: fontconfig-config:amd64 (2.11.0-6.7, 2.13.0-5)
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1697 [20:02:50] <galaxie> jelly: So that'd make it a downgrade?
1698 [20:02:50] <jelly> since downgrades are not supported, even when you coerce apt* to downgrade something you're left of with newer config files. Because not supported.
1699 [20:02:59] <jelly> left off*
1700 [20:03:28] <jelly> after you figure out which packages might be affected, try to
1701 [20:03:32] <jelly> !confdef
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1703 [20:03:41] <jelly> or was it !confnew
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1705 [20:04:43] <galaxie> jelly: .save files in APT sources.list.d are not used, right?
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1707 [20:05:09] <greycat> they have to end with .list to be used
1708 [20:06:08] <galaxie> jelly: So, I found the two packages that were downgraded; do I uninstall and reinstall them or what, now that sid backports or whatever it was called is not a .list?
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1711 [20:07:12] <jelly> galaxie: "apt-cache policy" will tell you the active deb sources
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1714 [20:08:02] <jelly> make sure you have versions from stretch installed now and do the confdef (or confnew?) thing
1715 [20:08:22] <galaxie> jelly: No sid in there. apt-cache search shows that stretch has those two packages.
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1719 [20:08:36] <galaxie> jelly: But do I uninstall the sid version first?
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1723 [20:10:39] <jelly> option 1) purge packages with sid versions (using low level tool like dpkg, probably with --force-depends), risking your whole system break depending on how important they are, then let something like "apt -f install" install back the versions from stretch
1724 [20:10:42] <jelly> or
1725 [20:11:28] <jelly> option 2) explicitely downgrade the packages, which you seem not to have done yet, using apt install package=version syntax, then do the !confdef or !confnew thing on them
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1729 [20:11:56] <galaxie> jelly: How do I downgrade downgraded packages? Like, I want the newer one, the one I used to have.
1730 [20:12:08] <jelly> they are not downgraded yet
1731 [20:12:16] <RoyK> !downgrade
1732 [20:12:17] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
1733 [20:12:29] <jelly> downgrade means installing a lower version that what's currently installed
1734 [20:12:32] <galaxie> jelly: How? Downgrade means an older version of a package, right? In which case, the whole problem was that I downgraded.
1735 [20:12:49] <RoyK> just reinstall the machine
1736 [20:12:52] <RoyK> backup first
1737 [20:13:00] <RoyK> and don't use Sid
1738 [20:13:04] <jelly> galaxie: I think you have not "downgraded", you have "upgraded"
1739 [20:13:09] <greycat> NO, the whole problem was you mixed sid with another release.
1740 [20:13:25] <greycat> Or any two releases.
1741 [20:13:32] <galaxie> jelly: Upgraded to an older version? That sounds like an oxymoron.
1742 [20:13:46] <RoyK> (or just used Sid)
1743 [20:13:52] <jelly> galaxie: "sid" has newer versions, not older.
1744 [20:13:58] <greycat> The problem began because you INSTALLED SID VERSIONS of things, and those versions are HIGHER than what's in stable, so we call that an "UPGRADE".
1745 [20:14:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1251
1746 [20:14:33] <RoyK> it takes less time to reinstall it than to try to fix this
1747 [20:14:38] <RoyK> beleive me on this
1748 [20:14:52] <galaxie> greycay: Why do I always forget stretch is not the latest *facepalms*
1749 [20:14:57] <jelly> reinstall is easy
1750 [20:15:11] <jelly> setting everything up just the way I like it takes TIME
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1752 [20:15:56] <jelly> galaxie: stretch is Debian 9, the current release. sid is not a release, it's basically the development branch
1753 [20:16:19] <jelly> so stretch is the latest a normal user would want to consider
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1755 [20:18:15] <galaxie> jelly: OK, so now it's more weird: I ran apt list libnss3 -a and it shows I have two versions installed concurrently?!
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1758 [20:18:38] <jelly> I have no idea what apt list does, sorry
1759 [20:18:38] <RoyK> backup everything first, reinstall, install etckeeper and just make sure everything is back - usersettings are under $HOME and the package list can be found in dpkg --get-selections
1760 [20:18:43] <RoyK> it's not that fucking hard
1761 [20:19:05] <greycat> that assume you only have things from Debian packages
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1763 [20:19:16] <RoyK> greycat: yes, obviously
1764 [20:19:30] <RoyK> greycat: other things shouldn't be on the host, but in containers
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1766 [20:19:36] <jelly> selections will contain the automatically installed deps too
1767 [20:19:43] <jelly> !aptitude clone
1768 [20:19:43] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1769 [20:20:14] <RoyK> how much custom stuff do you have on this one anyway?
1770 [20:20:24] <RoyK> usually most things are done within an hour
1771 [20:20:33] <RoyK> and you have spent more time debugging it already
1772 [20:21:00] <galaxie> RoyK: A lot.
1773 [20:21:15] <RoyK> once you start mixing different debian versions, you're basically fucked, at least when it's Sid we're taling about
1774 [20:21:35] <RoyK> then take this as a lesson - don't mix debian versions
1775 [20:22:09] <RoyK> and - don't install from source directly - better use checkinstall or something to build packages
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1777 [20:22:43] <galaxie> RoyK: Yeah, I wish I used that years ago.
1778 [20:22:47] <dvs> Well, he's f**ked until buster
1779 [20:23:10] <RoyK> better start now, then
1780 [20:23:22] <RoyK> dvs: there are packages in Sid that will never get into Buster
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1782 [20:23:33] <dvs> true
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1786 [20:27:23] <discovered> i installed mysql , but its showing mariaDB?
1787 [20:27:35] <RoyK> discovered: mysql is out - mariadb is in :)
1788 [20:27:41] <galaxie> Well, thanks for the help, I guess this might be some more motivation to just start all over again. I might not be using Debian next time, though, sorry!
1789 [20:27:48] <RoyK> it's a fork - does the same job - same commands etc
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1791 [20:28:30] <RoyK> mariadb was forked from mysql back when Oracle took over
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1793 [20:29:11] <discovered> RoyK, oo. Not sure what happened with mysql!
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1795 [20:29:23] <discovered> mysql was popular
1796 [20:29:23] <Texou> hi
1797 [20:29:26] <RoyK> well, mariadb works even better
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1801 [20:30:16] <jelly> discovered: this mariadb thing is a mostly compatible fork
1802 [20:30:16] <dvs> discovered, RoyK just told you: Oracle took over
1803 [20:31:07] <jelly> so when you ask the package manager to install mysql-server, you get mariadb
1804 [20:31:24] <Texou> when I issue mount, I get replaced-url
1805 [20:32:09] <RoyK> discovered: btw, if you don't need wordpress, better give postgresql a try - it's way better than mariadb/mysql except for multimaster clusters
1806 [20:32:14] <jelly> Texou: /run and /tmp are required for normal work, are separate from each other and "tmpfs" is just a fs type, like ext4 or vfat.
1807 [20:32:54] <jelly> Texou: if you want a custom tmpfs mountpoint of your own, just mkdir and configure and use it
1808 [20:33:08] <Texou> jelly: but how to configure it?
1809 [20:33:18] <greycat> by writing a line in fstab typically
1810 [20:33:39] <Texou> greycat: I tried one beginning with tmpfs, no success :)
1811 [20:33:39] <RoyK> (rocket science)
1812 [20:33:50] <greycat> "man fstab" for the format
1813 [20:33:51] <RoyK> Texou: man fstab first
1814 [20:33:57] <jelly> Texou: do you want a separate mountpoint for some reason or do you want to resize the amount of (ram+swap) for /tmp?
1815 [20:33:59] <Texou> I am ready to keep /run and /tmp, but their content should stay in ram I think
1816 [20:34:25] <Texou> jelly: I just want to append all tmp info in the RAM
1817 [20:34:33] <Texou> instead of somewhere on the hdd
1818 [20:34:34] <greycat> I have no idea what those words mean.
1819 [20:34:48] <jelly> Texou: pastebin the output of "df" and "mount", please
1820 [20:34:56] <greycat> "append" means "tack onto the end of something"
1821 [20:34:57] <jelly> oh you got mount already
1822 [20:35:18] <Texou> greycat: sorry, English problem. I mean "send"
1823 [20:35:24] <RoyK> Texou: /run is on tmpfs by default, not /tmp - you can change that if you like
1824 [20:35:48] <Texou> jelly: mount is here replaced-url
1825 [20:35:56] <Texou> jelly: oops
1826 [20:36:10] <jelly> your /tmp is not backed by a tmpfs fs right now
1827 [20:36:15] <Texou> jelly: df is here replaced-url
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1829 [20:36:46] <RoyK> your /tmp is on the root fs
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1831 [20:37:07] <RoyK> which normally works fine, but some people like to move it elsewhere
1832 [20:37:08] <Texou> RoyK: yes and I would like it to be in RAM
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1834 [20:37:23] <Texou> RoyK: exact. How can I move it?
1835 [20:37:35] <RoyK> that has been explained above
1836 [20:37:47] <Texou> oh via fstab then
1837 [20:37:59] <Texou> I should see what is the syntax
1838 [20:38:08] <Texou> and what about /run?
1839 [20:38:08] <RoyK> good start
1840 [20:38:25] <RoyK> it's already on tmpfs, as 'mount' shows you - you pastebinned it
1841 [20:39:05] <Texou> RoyK: but where is it tmpfs? I see it nowhere physically. You mean all info in it are not written on the partition?
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1843 [20:39:30] <RoyK> try man tmpfs
1844 [20:39:35] <Texou> ah ok
1845 [20:39:37] <RoyK> !book
1846 [20:39:37] <dpkg> For documentation and books on Debian, see replaced-url
1847 [20:39:56] <RoyK> debian-handbook is quite good
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1849 [20:40:12] <Texou> ok
1850 [20:40:18] <Texou> thanks
1851 [20:40:32] <RoyK> !debian-handbook
1852 [20:40:32] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
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1856 [20:41:28] <jelly> Texou: tmpfs is backed by (ram and swap)
1857 [20:41:38] <Texou> oh ok
1858 [20:41:45] <jelly> ramfs is backed by ram only
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1860 [20:42:06] <Texou> I had not entered in the system for a long, I sart seeing how it is hard to be back :)
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1862 [20:42:42] <jelly> mount a tmpgs for /tmp used to be configured in /etc/default/tmpfs but that is apparently ignore with systemd and I have no idea where it's configured now
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1864 [20:43:34] <Texou> hmmm :)
1865 [20:43:39] <Texou> I love systemd :)
1866 [20:44:17] <Texou> jelly: anyway all this show that the only relevant thing is to work on /tmp, because /run does not write anything on the hard drive. I thought both wrote on it
1867 [20:45:30] <discovered> what the hell, mariadb give me access whatever password i input. Confused!
1868 [20:46:23] <jelly> discovered: if you run /usr/bin/mysql client as root you do not need a password
1869 [20:47:14] <jelly> (since debian 9 and mariadb-server that comes with that)
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1872 [20:48:00] <discovered> jelly, now from normal user i can't login if i even input correct password
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1875 [20:49:21] <no_gravity> So I pressed CTRL+a_ in screen and it told me "The window is now being monitored for 30 sec. silence.". What does that mean?
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1887 [20:58:58] <annadane> hrm. would it be considered a bug that installing pcsx2 with multiarch enabled removes notification-daemon because notification-daemon:i386 installs? replaced-url
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1890 [20:59:26] <annadane> an i386 package shouldn't be an intentional Conflicts
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1892 [21:00:00] <jelly> no
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1894 [21:00:38] <jelly> not all packages are migrated to be multiarch coinstallable
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1899 [21:01:57] <annadane> should i just go ahead with the package installation?
1900 [21:01:58] <jelly> annadane: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
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1902 [21:02:10] <annadane> amd64
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1904 [21:02:38] <jelly> annadane: and what does "apt-cache policy pcsx2" say? In fact do the whole !bat
1905 [21:02:40] <jelly> !bat
1906 [21:02:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1907 [21:02:52] <annadane> 'kay
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1909 [21:03:08] <jelly> ,v pcsx2 --arch amd64
1910 [21:03:10] <judd> No package named 'pcsx2' was found in amd64.
1911 [21:03:16] <jelly> ,v pcsx2 --arch i386
1912 [21:03:17] <judd> Package: pcsx2 on i386 -- buster: 1.4.0+dfsg-2; sid: 1.4.0+dfsg-2; stretch: 1.4.0+dfsg-2
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1914 [21:03:22] <jelly> huh
1915 [21:03:34] <jelly> so it's a 32bit only package
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1918 [21:05:48] <jelly> and also not all packages have fixed dependencies to depend on, say, notification-daemon:any instead of notification-daemon
1919 [21:06:04] <jelly> so that's actually a filable bug
1920 [21:06:31] <jelly> I was wrong, sorry
1921 [21:07:16] <jelly> annadane: whatever it is in the dependency tree that pulls in notification-daemon probably ought to pull in notification-daemon:any
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1923 [21:08:18] <jelly> figure out which package, file a bug report, and wait for buster :-)
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1925 [21:08:43] <annadane> well, figure out which package, file a bug report, and then just download the tarball
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1927 [21:09:37] <jelly> or try --without-recommends and hope
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1929 [21:09:52] <jelly> or live with a 32bit notification daemon thingy
1930 [21:09:57] <annadane> it's quodlibet, apparently
1931 [21:10:13] <annadane> which i don't even need so i can just uninstall it
1932 [21:10:18] <annadane> still file a bug, though
1933 [21:10:23] <annadane> er
1934 [21:10:29] <annadane> hang on, am i getting myself confused
1935 [21:10:33] <jelly> probably cheaper to buy a real PS2 than waste more time debugging
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1937 [21:11:36] <annadane> heh why is this confusing, sid's dependencies in theory are more confusing than this
1938 [21:11:40] <annadane> i'm losing my touch
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1940 [21:12:53] <annadane> can i... just... install notification-daemon:i386, and solve the issue that way...
1941 [21:13:27] <annadane> unless that does conflict, i haven't checked it
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1946 [21:14:29] <annadane> oh jelly also that bug report wouldn't make sense anyway, this is a stretch install with the xfce task, so it came with quodlibet first and only after i added i386
1947 [21:14:49] <annadane> i task-xfce-desktop Recommends quodlibet
1948 [21:15:47] <annadane> sorry, i should say, "quotlibet first, and only after, i added i386"
1949 [21:15:51] <annadane> quod*
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1954 [21:17:58] <annadane> notification-daemon:i386 does *not* conflict with notificiation-daemon
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1956 [21:18:13] <annadane> so i'll try installing pcsx2 with aptitude
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1958 [21:18:57] <algun|home> Hey, I'm having trouble installing npm. The package nodejs doesn't include it, and trying to install the package npm says it depends on npm-tar vs 4+ "but v2something is going to be installed"
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1961 [21:19:42] <bites> algun|home: if you want npm you can go with the upstream nodejs package.
1962 [21:19:57] <annadane> this is really weird. there's something going on here
1963 [21:20:04] <annadane> i'll track it down in a little bit
1964 [21:20:54] <annadane> the only package from backports i have installed is streamlink, and i think that was installed after i added multi-arch, wonder if there's a there there
1965 [21:21:05] <bites> algun|home: they have a script that automagically sets up their repository for you. replaced-url
1966 [21:21:09] <algun|home> bites: What do you mean? Add the node project repository?
1967 [21:21:18] <bites> yes
1968 [21:21:20] <algun|home> I'd like to use my system's pkgs
1969 [21:21:40] <bremner> O
1970 [21:21:44] <bites> well, there is none.
1971 [21:22:11] <annadane> depends on your motivations
1972 [21:22:25] <annadane> if it's a question of trust or not wanting breakage you can trust that particular repository
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1974 [21:22:51] <algun|home> bites: but there is, isn't there (it's just broken)?
1975 [21:22:52] <bremner> I'm having trouble detecting an intel i219-LM ethernet device during a stretch install. I _thought_ I was using the firmware included iso, but maybe that write didn't take.
1976 [21:22:56] <annadane> or uh, virtualize it i guess
1977 [21:23:07] <bites> ,v npm
1978 [21:23:08] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 5.8.0+ds-2
1979 [21:23:11] <bites> algun|home: ^
1980 [21:23:25] <greycat> (do NOT use a sid package on stretch)
1981 [21:23:42] <bites> upstream is really the way to go with nodejs and npm.
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1983 [21:24:02] <annadane> even in sid, how often is that updated
1984 [21:24:03] <bites> they have decent debian packages.
1985 [21:24:10] <annadane> sid != every package newest
1986 [21:24:14] <algun|home> i don't like third party sources
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1989 [21:25:24] <bites> yeah, well, debian doesn't like things with quick release cycles.
1990 [21:25:56] <bremner> lspci shows Ethernet Controller: Intel Corporation Devince 15bb
1991 [21:25:59] <annadane> isn't the npm repo basically designed to work with debian, and is maintained directly by the upstream author, you can use it
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1998 [21:27:19] <bites> nodejs is
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2000 [21:27:27] <bites> and includes npm
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2007 [21:32:25] <annadane> this is such a weird problem :P
2008 [21:32:35] <bremner> a simpler question: how do I tell if I really have the firmware files on my installer image?
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2010 [21:32:39] <annadane> legitimately going to require like an hour of figuring out stable dependencies
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2017 [21:37:52] <bremner> well, I looked and there is /firmware with a bunch of .deb in it.
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2044 [21:54:10] <algun|home> I executed replaced-url
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2046 [21:54:23] <greycat> look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ as well
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2049 [21:57:07] <algun|home> greycat: hi. there it is. thanks
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2057 [22:06:43] <algun|home> greycat: are you satisfied with posix and debian?
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2060 [22:07:32] <greycat> I'm... what? Are you trying to say something like "Debian's level of POSIX compliance"?
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2062 [22:08:53] <algun|home> I mean haven't you ver reevaluated the whole unix thing? But also Debian's default packages and conventions too.
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2068 [22:11:47] <algun|home> greycat: ?
2069 [22:12:03] <algun|home> can you please join #debian-offtopic?
2070 [22:12:43] <algun|home> i guess maybe you never considered it and think it's ridiculous
2071 [22:15:24] <greycat> I've never been one to put a lot of ... faith-investment? ... into certifications and standards-conformance testing, if that's what you were leading into.
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2073 [22:16:11] <annadane> i don't even know what POSIX compliance is, i just use debian because it's awesome
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2077 [22:17:15] <greycat> POSIX is a set of standards that all unix-like systems are supposed to adhere to (and can exceed, of course). Several years ago, there was some buzz about distro-forks which aimed at being officially certified as 100% POSIX compliant. Nobody ever cared.
2078 [22:17:19] <algun|home> greycat: no, it's just that you know a lot of thing by heart that I'd only suffer to learn by heart if I was enthusiastic enough (ie if I didn't think there was a better way)
2079 [22:17:40] <annadane> no i know what POSIX is, i just haven't read the specifics
2080 [22:17:40] <algun|home> a lot of things. wish you joined offtopic though
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2082 [22:17:49] <annadane> i'm implying "i don't care as long as it works"
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2085 [22:19:07] <algun|home> I do care about (sane) interoperability
2086 [22:20:32] <greycat> No real-world program can survive on *just* the posix feature set, so in reality, having an OS certified as posix-compliant just doesn't matter. To be sure your app will run on everything, you still have to add a shitload of #ifdef's or whatever.
2087 [22:20:51] <algun|home> Why do you think so?
2088 [22:21:10] <greycat> Look at the apps people actually care about. Like docker.
2089 [22:21:20] <greycat> Like web browsers.
2090 [22:21:40] <algun|home> I don't care about docker
2091 [22:25:09] <greycat> Another example: nginx, and probably other web servers, uses the sendfile(2) system call to efficiently transfer static files over the socket to the web client. That's not posix (says so right in the man page).
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2094 [22:25:58] <greycat> All the cgroup stuff that makes systemd work? Not portable either.
2095 [22:26:08] <algun|home> let's just leave systemd aside
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2098 [22:26:58] <algun|home> i agree it would be a competitive disadvantage not to use a syscall like sendfile
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2101 [22:27:30] <greycat> have fun.
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2163 [23:43:58] <jbetz> so, I'm trying to connect to an openvpn server, and though network-manager tells me it connected, I'm not
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2166 [23:44:22] <jbetz> and the fishiest message in syslogs is `SCPlugin-Ifupdown: device added (path: /sys/devices/virtual/net/tun0, iface: tun0): no ifupdown configuration found.`
2167 [23:44:43] <jbetz> could this be the problem? and if so, how to fix?
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2169 [23:45:41] <jbetz> this is on elive, which runs on wheezy
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