47[00:26:25] <michael2> hi all. I'm installing debian and currently at the partitioner stage. I want to setup FDE on the main system partition (mounted at /) plus encrypted swap. but then I also want to have a separate encrypted partition for user data which can remain in place if the main system partition needs to be re-installed. how can I do this?
48[00:27:34] <somiaj> what is FDE?
49[00:27:44] <michael2> full disk encryption
50[00:27:57] <somiaj> anyways, the installer should have all those options. Though my suggestion is don't encrypt /boot
51[00:28:11] <somiaj> life is jsut easier if you have /boot as a seperate non-encyrpted partition
52[00:28:35] <michael2> yes, Im happy leaving /boot in the clear
59[00:31:29] <michael2> In the past I have let the installer just run FDE as an LVM over the whole disk, which was ideal. but now I have 2 partitions, I don't know how to get the partitioner to setup that / encryption again
65[00:36:23] <somiaj> I can't say from memeory, but there are options taht allow this in the installer.
66[00:36:55] <somiaj> I don't use encryption so I can't say more. The other option is to manually create the partitions yourself and then just tell the installer to use them
67[00:37:12] <somiaj> are you using expert mode or normal mode?
68[00:37:46] <RoyK> keep in mind that disk encryption is worthless if your system is comromised when online
69[00:39:00] <at0m> RoyK: consolidating when lappy gets stolen though
75[00:42:29] <michael2> somiaj: yes, If I manually create, I dont know how to link up all the parts, e.g. LVM wrapping both swap + main system filesystem (but separate /boot) + format the part with ext4 + define mount point + setup the separate partition - there are alot of moving parts to all this!
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81[00:44:44] <michael2> but it looks like the partitioner has an option to encrypt /home as a separate partition. Im guessing I could put my data here, and if I need to re-install , this partition can be left alone during a re-install?
102[00:53:45] <michael2> RoyK: you mentioned data is vulnerable (to remote execution from online sources) while the encrypted containers are unlocked do you know of any ways to mitigate against this?
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104[00:54:36] <RoyK> michael2: there basically are none - as long as the filesystem is mounted, the data is vulnerable if someone gets in as root or as your user
135[01:07:19] <michael2> the protagonist is a knight returning from the crusades. death (the grim reaper) comes to claim him. the knight challenges death to a game of chess - if hes wins, death leaves him alone
178[01:23:36] <mason> RoyK: Maybe. But it should work.
179[01:23:49] <RoyK> never used fail2ban with postfix - sorry
180[01:24:21] <mason> RoyK: I don't think this is a postfix integration issue specifically... The error message was it trying to set up an iptables rule I think.
181[01:24:54] <michael2> it should be adding a rule into the iptables chain
182[01:24:55] <mason> I see that it's created its private table, but it doesn't seem able to add offenders to its table.
214[01:35:42] <mason> I don't mind it I guess. What I'm poking at now is how I can get it to fit into my existing blacklist system.
215[01:35:51] <RoyK> getting nftables into ufw would be fine, though
216[01:36:13] <RoyK> nftables looks like a nice beast
217[01:36:44] <mason> Oh, I guess it'll do the right thing itself. It's adding itself with -I so it'll hop in front of everything else. That works.
218[01:36:58] <Gigglebyte> I am wondering if anyone might be able to help me with shutting off the backlit keyboard on my System76 Orxy Pro? Since installing Debian the backlit is running full power and none of my F keys work. I tried to follow some suggestions listed here, but with no success replaced-url
219[01:37:16] <RoyK> when ipfwadm turned into ipchains which turned into iptables, there wasn't really a big change - nftables looks new and shiny
220[01:38:09] <mason> RoyK: When did ipchains transition into iptables? I think iptables was well-established by the time I moved off of ipf.
283[02:20:13] <michael2> If I install debian with a separate /home partition. can I easily keep that partition during a re-install? i.e. will I need to wipe data from my /home that programs places in $HOME from the previous install?
299[02:29:26] <michael2> l0ner: but don't applications store data there? do you just leave it in place - I guess it actually could be pretty useful because the programs (firefox., vlc, libreoffice etc) will just reuse the data, configs etc from that partition?
300[02:29:30] <LameName123> Hello! I wanted to ask why the javah binary, whose purpose it is to "Generate C header and source files from a Java class", is part of the openjdk-8-jdk-headless package. Why headless?
302[02:30:24] <l0ner> michael2: Yes, apps store there their config files. Or rather, config files for your user. No actual binaries should be stored there
303[02:31:05] <l0ner> usually when reinstalling you'd want to keep your configs (I do), so you don't need to reconfigure everything
304[02:32:14] <l0ner> generally applications store your customized configs in your home, so other users can have different settings
309[02:35:07] <l0ner> not really, I mean you need to clean once in a while your dotfiles anyway, since some stuff like to store caches here and there, and you might have some leftover configs for stuff that you dont use anymore
310[02:36:42] <michael2> yeah, thats why Ive generally not maintained a separate /home partition. I figured it was cleaner to just restore everything from scratch during a re-install.
311[02:37:23] <l0ner> and yeah, it's the way more convenient to keep you /home separate and reinstall only what is needed, than offload contents of your /home to some external storage, reinstall, move your data back, reconfigure everything
312[02:38:12] <l0ner> TBH, for me it was always more convenient to keep the /home separate and once a month do some manual housekeeping
313[02:38:58] <l0ner> for stuff like clearnig caches/temp files I'd set a once a month cron and be done
321[02:41:15] <l0ner> especially when you use an DE
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323[02:42:56] <michael2> yeah, thats the problem most programs haven't adopted a standard practice ( like say xdg standard or something) so programs config files are all other the place
324[02:43:40] <ryouma> with dist-upgrade, you can set it so that you get dpkg-dist files, so you can merge them into your /etc files manually. but can you make it give you the ancestor? (i.e. the version you installed, so that you have installed, your version, and current distributed version)? that would be useful for quicker merging.
325[02:44:44] <l0ner> michael2: the standard practice is to use the dotfiles. I know it's kinda messy, but it's a remnan from the unix days i guess. It irks me too, but I've grown to live with it
327[02:45:45] <l0ner> besides nowdays I don't have that much stuff in my home. Mostly because I've learned to use cli-only systems
328[02:47:16] <michael2> l0ner: dotfiles I can live with. but my X11 (i think its from the xinit package) puts its logs etc $HOME . and programs like firefox have more complex file arrangments. I think I will give a separate $HOME partition a go, and see how it works out
517[03:10:52] <ryouma> is there a difference between 52.9.0esr-1~deb8u1 and 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1? or is that last part just saying that it is identical but compiled against different versions of libraries?
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519[03:11:11] <alad> what's the changelog say?
520[03:12:01] <ryouma> dunno, i am just looking at madison results for firefox-esr and do not know what to do to get the changelog
521[03:12:11] <ryouma> alad: i figured the version number means something
580[04:52:43] <michael2> I ran aptitude search, I tried to SIGTERM it with Ctrl+C, but now its hanged, and locked up my terminal. how can I kill aptitude off and recover my shell?
582[04:56:49] <Gigglebyte> Can someone tell me why kaddressbook version 16.04.3-4 isn't in the repos yet the debian.pkgs.org website says it is replaced-url
583[04:57:11] <Gigglebyte> I think I only have version 5.2.3 that I download from the repos, and it doesn't work.
584[04:57:27] <Gigglebyte> I was not able to find kaddressbook in backports.
585[04:57:34] <Gigglebyte> I am taking a dinner break and will be on later.
589[05:02:09] <themill> Gigglebyte: which release of Debian are you running?
590[05:02:32] <Gigglebyte> I added the i386 architecture with dpkg, but now get an error message indicating that I am missing kio and that the dependency is not satisfiable. I am already running the latest kio that is allowed with Debian stable.
597[05:03:36] <judd> Package: kaddressbook on amd64 -- stretch: 4:16.04.3-4~deb9u1
598[05:03:44] <themill> that package is most definitely in stretch
599[05:03:48] <themill> !bat
600[05:03:48] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
602[05:05:01] <Gigglebyte> themill> I am running Debian 9 stretch
603[05:06:23] <Gigglebyte> themill> I think the problem I am having with kaddressbook is that the version in the repos is much older than the version illustrated in the URL I posted.
604[05:07:08] <dvs> Gigglebyte, then paste the output of "apt-cache policy kaddressbook"
605[05:07:13] <Gigglebyte> I am frustrated that there isn't one functional address book in the repos. There is Dlume, but there is no import feature for your data.
606[05:07:22] <themill> I have no idea what pkgs.org is but I know that the information that dpkg asked you for will help
607[05:07:32] <themill> kaddressbook in stretch works just fine
614[05:10:33] <Gigglebyte> themill> I attempted to install the addressbook from this website using the Debian Package installer and first received an error that there is no i386 architecture installed, so I added that with dpkg and reran the command. I then came back with an error indicating that kio dependency is not satisfiable, but I am already running the latest kio which came installed by default with the distro I am running.
615[05:12:11] <Gigglebyte> dvs> ok, but the website is providing some radically different information. The website indicates the version is 16.04.3-4 but the file in the repos is 5.2.3 I realize that things take longer to catch up with Debian, but the kaddressbook in the Debian repos just doesn't work.
616[05:12:14] <themill> you should install things from apt
682[06:55:28] <srruby> VNC/RDP/X11 ???? I have 2 computers. One is a NUC (a small computer with no monitor) and the other is a laptop. What do you suggest for remote desktop software between the 2 ? They will be on the same wifi network or possibly plugged via ethernet to the same wifi router.
683[06:55:51] <srruby> They are both running debian 9 or 10
704[07:14:11] <Solver> Oh too late. Yep I'd use X11 too. Do it old skool without encryption across a 1GB wired link and it will scream. Declare them to be in the same security domain.
756[08:37:09] <michael2> hi.when I switch to a linux terminal many keys like | don't work, e.g. if I hit | the console (or keyboard driver) prints ~. If I hit # I get a newline char. how can I fix this?
807[09:46:09] <uso> when you have more than one network interface, which is handled by dhcp, is there a way to configure which interface has priority to set the nameserver in resolv.conf?
842[10:14:58] <Lope> rendar: these days you normally start your session manager
843[10:15:16] <apls714> rendar, where you using nvidia proprietary drivers before you done update/upgrade or was it open source driver for nvidia?
844[10:15:23] <Lope> could be one of these `service lightdm start` `service sddm start` `service gdm start`
845[10:15:44] <jmd> I want to have udhcpd start on boot. Running "/etc/init.d/udhcpd start" claims to have started it (it says "[ ok ] Starting udhcpd (via systemctl): udhcpd.service.") but it never starts. How can I resolve this (cleanly) ?
846[10:15:56] <Lope> if your session manager is running just running `pkill Xorg` normally causes it to restart automagically.
847[10:16:01] <rendar> pgdf rg\\]\
848[10:16:10] <rendar> Lope: i don't have a session manager
849[10:16:15] <rendar> i just start Xorg with startx
850[10:16:29] <slax0r> startx should give you some output on why it fails to start
851[10:16:39] <slax0r> or at least write something into /var/log/Xorg.0.log
852[10:16:49] <rendar> apls714: the ones from apt get nvidia-driver
853[10:17:00] <rendar> apls714: i guess these are the open source ones
854[10:17:14] <rendar> slax0r: yes and it says to check dmesg
869[10:19:38] <rendar> speedyG: please help me to solve this, i have to work
870[10:20:06] <Lope> I found ktimetracker and timewarrior
871[10:20:27] <apls714> rendar, this is how I'm using my NVIDIA GTX card with proprietary drivers, this method works with Debian 9 Stretch with default Gnome destop, take a look: replaced-url
872[10:20:29] <slax0r> I found that doing updates when you need to do work is bad practice, precisely because of the reasons you are currently experiencing
873[10:20:55] <SpeedyG> exactly slax0r :)
874[10:21:03] <SpeedyG> anyway, i've got work to do too... so i'm afk
875[10:21:05] <apls714> and installing updates does not brake nvidia drivers.
876[10:21:25] <rendar> I FOUND THAT GOOD OPERATING SYSTEMS DO NOT FUCK UP GRAPHICAL INERFACES AFTER AN UPDATE!
877[10:21:37] <rendar> fucking moron
878[10:21:47] <SpeedyG> seems like you also found capslock...
879[10:22:09] <slax0r> wow...
880[10:22:13] <slax0r> well, best of luck to you then
881[10:23:25] <Lope> rendar: incase you're unaware, you've got an attitude problem. It will only bring you suffering.
882[10:23:29] <jmd> What is the line ". /lib/lsb/init-functions" in /etc/init.d/udhcpd supposed to do?
883[10:23:34] <rendar> slax0r: i guess the spirit of this channel is helping people, not telling them "you shoulndn't update your system"
884[10:23:50] <rendar> Lope: check this ^
885[10:24:28] <slax0r> rendar: it also helps not call people morons, I was willing to help you with that, but I needed some time to google around for a similar issue... hence I found it, but now...meh
886[10:24:29] <SpeedyG> rendar: before continuing, find another computer and read the link that slax0r just posted... then take a look at your last comment and reconsider it...
888[10:24:34] <rendar> Lope: i'm quite frustrated because of this, is someone instead of helping tells me that i shouldn't update my system, that's ..get me upset
889[10:24:35] <Lope> This is not paid support. If you're nice to people they might help you. Who have you helped so far today here?
890[10:24:52] <jelly> rendar: what does "uname -r" say right now? Also, best focus on technical aspects, venting frustration is not making any volunteer more likely to help
891[10:24:55] <rendar> Lope: i think i'm being nice, until someone tells me i shouldn't update my system
892[10:25:16] <rendar> 4.9.0-6-amd64
893[10:25:19] <rendar> jelly ^
894[10:25:28] <slax0r> anyway...back to the salt mines for me
895[10:26:23] <Lope> rendar, actually I agree with slax0r, and as you can see so does SpeedyG.
896[10:26:31] <rendar> Lope: on what?
897[10:26:34] <jelly> rendar: weird, that's not the latest. And is $(4.9.0-6-amd64 installed? dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r) | tail -n 1
898[10:26:49] <jelly> oops
899[10:27:00] <Lope> We have all had experience of failed updates. It's been less than 1% of the time, but when you update you have to be prepared for the possibility of a broken system.
900[10:27:01] <jelly> is matching* linux-headers* installed
901[10:27:24] <Lope> So updating just before you've got urgent work to do is best avoided.
902[10:27:40] <Lope> This is actually helpful, wise advice given in kindness.
903[10:27:42] <rendar> Lope: i strongly disagree, not in 2018, not when all other systems won't do that. I really regret to have chosen debian, if this is the debian standard
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909[10:28:38] <rendar> Lope: plus, i had to update because of some old tools debian subbornly stuck to use
910[10:28:45] <SpeedyG> rendar: this isnt just the debian standard, its common sense... try a windows 10 update.... you'll waste 3 hours of waiting time until its updated (if it doesnt break) ... that is also not recommended to do when you've got critical work to do
911[10:29:14] <SpeedyG> rendar: anyway, try to put that frustration to bed... and lets work on the fix instead :)
912[10:29:27] <Lope> Every operating system experiences occasional breakages during updates. Software and hardware is complex and diverse. There's no guarantees that everything will always work. If you want the best chance of that you should consider using an apple computer where the hardware variation is extremely small and the software is usually tested on the actual hardware that you'll be running.
913[10:29:30] <rendar> SpeedyG: everytime i have update on Windows or MacOSX, the only thing i have lost, is a little time, but system worked like a charm, after
914[10:29:53] <blackflow> then that's settled. you'll reinstall windows. goodbye. o/
915[10:29:57] <jelly> Lope, SpeedyG, rendar: can we focus on the tech issue at hand, and leave the platitudes
916[10:30:15] <rendar> Lope: the UI user interfaces that doesn't start anymore, making IMPOSSIBLE to cut&paste help commands from irc, doesn't happen ANYMORE in 2018
917[10:30:15] <jelly> else I'm going to +q everyone and enjoy the silence
918[10:30:16] <SpeedyG> sure jelly.
919[10:30:19] <Lope> jelly, sure.
920[10:30:21] <rendar> it happened in windows 3.11
921[10:30:26] <rendar> with DOS, for Christ sake
922[10:30:31] <SpeedyG> rendar: same goes for you!
923[10:31:05] <rendar> jelly: i don't think linux-headers is installed btw
924[10:31:22] <rendar> jelly: but if i do apt install nvidia-driver, i don't need linux-headers, right?
925[10:31:28] <jelly> rendar: wrong
926[10:32:01] <rendar> jelly: should i install linux-headers and then reinstall nvidia-driver? what would be the best option?
927[10:33:15] <blackflow> nvidia-driver pulls in the headers through nvidia-kernel-dkms and that through dkms packages.
928[10:33:17] <jelly> rendar: the best option right now would be to install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64, then iunstall or dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms and let it build modules for the current kernel
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930[10:34:27] <jelly> rendar: current kernel has "4.9.0-7-amd64" uname -r, so your patching was incomplete. You probably want to do "apt full-upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade"
931[10:34:43] <jmd> Is there a tutorial anywhere on systemd and how to use and debug it ?
932[10:35:07] <rendar> jelly: i see
933[10:35:19] <jelly> it is interesting that Debian might have broken ABI in 4.9.0-6-amd64 but not that surprising
935[10:35:48] <Psy-Q> jmd: did you check the documentation section at replaced-url
936[10:36:01] <jelly> (because as long as the kernel keeps the same uname -r, third party modules are supposed to keep working)
937[10:36:08] <jelly> rendar: did you reboot after patching?
938[10:36:20] <jmd> Psy-Q: That's not a tutorial
939[10:36:43] <Lope> I installed proprietary drivers on Ubuntu 18.04 for GT540M. It was a bit of a fiddle to get it working. Nothing too hectic though. A few googles etc. But I'm using normal session managers etc.
940[10:36:49] <crackpotmark> Personally I like replaced-url
941[10:37:00] <crackpotmark> Digital ocean do great tutorials
942[10:37:19] <rendar> jelly: after a full-upgrade, dist-upgrade tells me that everything is up to date, is this normal?
943[10:37:34] <rendar> jelly: not yet, i'm rebooting right now
945[10:38:41] <Psy-Q> jmd: no, but it has a series of blog articles that are sort of tutorial-like and there are introductions in french and russian if those are of any use
946[10:39:08] <Psy-Q> for developers there isn't much there, yeah..
956[10:41:28] <jelly> rendar: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64"
957[10:41:39] <jelly> !pastebinit
958[10:41:39] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
966[10:43:37] <jelly> rendar: you have repos for buster, as yet unreleased "testing" branch, is that right?
967[10:43:44] <rendar> yes!
968[10:43:47] <rendar> i'm on buster
969[10:44:02] <jelly> things break in testing all the time
970[10:44:10] <jelly> !debian-next
971[10:44:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
972[10:44:19] <rendar> jelly: i know but stables has very frustating old versions!
973[10:44:23] <jelly> do not use testing for work.
974[10:44:35] <jelly> or anything you need reliability for
975[10:44:42] <rendar> jelly: but stable hasn't NEW VERSION OF PACKAGES I NEED FOR WORK!
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977[10:44:59] <rendar> so i can't use debian, basically
978[10:45:23] <jelly> rendar: I'd suggest using a separate testing chroot and let the actual OS be stable
985[10:46:46] <crackpotmark> Depending on dependencies, maybe try finding a dpkg and installing manually. Of course this stops apt from updating properly
986[10:46:47] <jelly> rendar: hard to say
987[10:46:56] <crackpotmark> @rendar
988[10:47:11] <jelly> ,kernels --arch amd64
989[10:47:12] <judd> (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
1048[11:15:25] <dob1> hi, unfortunately I don't have the pc here, It's on another place and I have to tell the person is near the pc what do do: the problem is that the pc reboot but it says rootfs has problems
1049[11:15:36] <dob1> so a shell appears asking to what to do
1050[11:15:56] <dob1> it is ok tu run fsck /dev/sdX to try to resolve the problem?
1051[11:16:44] <jmd> dob1: In my experience it is the only thing one can do (except reinstall the entire system).
1053[11:18:02] <dob1> jmd, the last doubt: the person that is near the pc doesn't know nothing about linux (this is an headless pc), from the recovery shell, how to find which is the root partition? cat /etc/fast |grep ???
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1055[11:18:27] <dob1> I have to tell him the most simple command to find the line in fstab for the root partition
1076[11:25:50] <ayekat> hi - is there a way to get back the default files in /etc/systemd/network (if I installed the system in a KVM, with a virtio network interface)?
1077[11:26:12] <ayekat> I think the files were responsible for preventing the predictable network interface names from being applied
1078[11:27:08] <ayekat> the problem is that systemd-networkd somehow does not seem to properly trigger upon the device being renamed from eth0 to ens3 by the kernel
1079[11:27:39] <ayekat> i.e. it should run DHCP on ens3, but... it just doesn't do anything (if I systemctl restart systemd-networkd, it sees ens3 and applies its rules correctly)
1087[11:30:50] <jmd> deicide-: It is possible. Whether your secondary os makes it easy is another question.
1088[11:31:21] <petn-randall> deicide-: What do you mean exactly? If you reinstall Windows, it usually overwrites the boot record. You just need a live system to fix it though.
1123[11:51:03] <pepijndevos> I'm trying to set up a Raspberry running headless debian to connect to wifi using wicd. It's currently using dhcpcd+wpa-suplicant.
1127[11:52:52] <pepijndevos> It spins on authenticating for a bit and then goes back to not connected. It generates a wpa-suplicant file, which is almost identical to the one that's working.
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1145[12:02:39] <n_1-c_k> jmd: "force a package to..." - apt-get --reinstall, maybe, preceded by moving your local config aside. I don't know that it's entirely safe though.
1204[13:01:22] <annadane> this is kind of the height of all laziness but when i was using sid i'd use the needrestart package to let me know when stuff... yeah, needed to be restarted. on stable there's obviously less updates, is it still good to just install the package? i generally assume the only computer restarts required are for microcode and kernel
1207[13:02:32] <annadane> like i just updated samba and i'm not sure whether the service needs to be restarted now or whatever (not the computer, obviously, in this case)
1208[13:02:38] <michael2> annadane: cant you just check for the existence of /run/reboot-required ?
1209[13:02:49] <annadane> oh can you just do that? TIL
1210[13:03:06] <annadane> is that for the whole computer only though?
1211[13:03:35] <michael2> how do you mean "the whole computer"
1212[13:03:37] <michael2> ?
1213[13:04:09] <annadane> reboot the whole computer
1214[13:04:13] <annadane> not just service restarts
1215[13:04:46] <michael2> oh, yes, its when a whole reboot is required. e.g. for kernel upgrades.
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1243[13:16:31] <Fox> never heard of needrestart, always used checkrestart from debian-goodies, will give it at try
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1245[13:18:25] <annadane> i'm sure they've thought of that, if there's a security update for package foo they're not just going to not tell the user they have to restart services and assume they have x package installed to tell them
1388[15:51:16] <frostschutz> don't badblocks if you expect to keep/recover data
1389[15:52:35] <frostschutz> DammitJim, check smartctl -a, run smartctl -t long then check again. if the selftest fails, it will show an LBA address in the error log
1411[16:00:57] <Orbstheorem> Hello, I'm trying to package a python package for debian. When I run `debuild -us -uc --lintian-opts --profile debian`, I get this tree structure: replaced-url
1418[16:03:01] <babilen> Orbstheorem: You are probably looking for #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
1419[16:03:06] <ntd> is "netplan" as implemented in ubuntu bionic a direction debian will be taking onwards or is this just ub frakking around like they did with upstart?
1420[16:03:06] <frostschutz> Fox, it's non-destructive on a working drive, but might not manage to write original data back on a failing one. also, drive must not be mounted in any case. basically, it can still lose you data in some cases
1424[16:03:45] <frostschutz> badblocks is fine if you want to test a drive regardless of data, if you need to recover data just ddrescue straight away to a new drive
1489[16:48:47] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, I'd like to force the connection to my server using password (because the recorded key has only limited access), so I put in my .ssh/config:
1492[16:49:13] <tobiasBora> for the server, but when it connects it says: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
1493[16:49:24] <tobiasBora> and I don't have any prompt for my password
1494[16:49:33] <greycat> forget all that crap, put your .ssh/config back the way it was, and run ssh WITHOUT whatever variables it uses to contact the ssh-agent where your key's passphrase is stored
1496[16:49:42] <greycat> or from a different user account
1497[16:50:39] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: Why not just add the pubkey to the server's user?
1498[16:50:55] <jelly> tobiasBora: could the remote service might be configured to have password auth completely disabled
1499[16:51:27] <greycat> Just ssh from root instead of yourself so it can't use your key, and then it'll have to fall back to password, IF password is allowed at all.
1500[16:51:30] <jelly> do you have access to remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
1501[16:51:31] <tobiasBora> greycat: I can only use one account on this device, and when .ssh/config is empty, when I try to connect it tries to use the key, that fails because I have no-tty for that key on the server side
1502[16:51:45] <greycat> What "device"? This is #debian.
1503[16:51:51] <tobiasBora> jelly: for sure the remote server accepts password
1504[16:52:18] <tobiasBora> greycat: server is debian, but the device is an android running termux
1505[16:52:30] <greycat> *sigh*
1506[16:52:33] <tobiasBora> jelly: no, I just have regular user
1507[16:52:45] <tobiasBora> will go to #termux then
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1512[16:55:09] <jelly> tobiasBora: uh, do you have admin rights on that debian ssh server or not? What does "I can only use one account on this [client] device" mean?
1515[16:56:00] <tobiasBora> jelly: I have no admin on the debian server. On the android side, Termux does not allow multi users
1516[16:56:18] <tobiasBora> no admin rights*
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1518[16:56:47] <jelly> my juicessh android client can be easily configured to use many identities (usernames, ssh keys), and I'm pretty sure termux is not that limited either
1529[17:00:56] <jelly> if you have access to ssh command line run it with -v or -vv option added and then you can confirm whether the server actually shows password auth in the handshake
1532[17:02:49] <amosbird> Hello, what are the equivalent of these pacakges replaced-url
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1534[17:04:31] <petn-randall> !goal
1535[17:04:32] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
1536[17:04:35] <petn-randall> amosbird: ^^^
1537[17:04:56] <tobiasBora> jelly: Here are the logs: replaced-url
1538[17:05:21] <petn-randall> amosbird: The "equivalent" might not work, depending on your issue. It's best if you describe what you're trying to accomplish.
1539[17:05:35] <themill> (and which release of Debian this is for)
1541[17:06:41] <tobiasBora> jelly: The funny thing is that when I connect with "ssh myuser@myserver.myprovider.org", it works, but not with "ssh myserver"... It's like if the .config forces keys
1555[17:09:46] <amosbird> themill: yeah, those packages are needed for building replaced-url
1556[17:10:35] <jelly> tobiasBora: unlike a debian -> debian "ssh -v localhost" on my stretch system: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
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1558[17:11:12] <amosbird> cat /etc/debian_version
1559[17:11:14] <amosbird> 9.5
1560[17:12:10] <jelly> tobiasBora: you can try to ssh -F /dev/null -v ... to force default values, maybe, or maybe not.
1561[17:12:13] <tobiasBora> jelly: what if you setup localhost in .ssh/config?
1568[17:15:07] <tobiasBora> The problem was that I needed to use PreferredAuthentications keyboard-interactive instead of PreferredAuthentications password
1569[17:15:20] <beepnboop-> ok i'm able to get live disk what do i need to do exactly to get grub from it?
1590[17:24:04] <beepnboop-> and theres nothing on yt either
1591[17:24:25] <greycat> Boot your rescue thing. Mount your root file system somewhere. Mount your /boot inside that if you have a /boot. Mount the /dev and /proc as shown in the factoid. Etc.
1599[17:28:06] <han-solo> Is anybody experiencing frequent shutdowns in debian stretch ?
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1601[17:28:39] <greycat> let me guess: ... you?
1602[17:29:03] <beepnboop-> i have a problem, it wants me to pick device to use as root file system
1603[17:29:08] <beepnboop-> but theres like 20
1604[17:29:24] <edgeWr> I have installed debian 9.5 and after some struggles in the terminal wiht lvm and encryption i finally had xorg up and all (by default there were problems). But I cannot set resolution. Do you think this is my card (amd tahiti XT) or xorg conf?
1674[18:00:24] <ws2k3> i have a debian machine that is not booting. i get error unknown filesystem. Entering rescue mode... i followed this guide in an attempt to fix it: vreplaced-url
1696[18:04:52] <ws2k3> Brigo i dont know exacly which one is the root partition i am seeing (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) and (hd0,msdos5). and no correctie i run strech
1697[18:05:33] <ws2k3> Brigo its a default debian install i didnt change anything about the default partition layout during the installation
1698[18:05:36] <beepnboop-> how do i make grub to detect new os?
1768[18:27:59] <jelly> mount /dev/sda1 somewhere, bind mount /dev and /proc and /sys into it, chroot into it, and run grub-install /dev/sda
1769[18:28:09] <jelly> roughly
1770[18:28:19] <jelly> that's pretty much what the bot says
1771[18:28:31] <edgeWr> i mean, i like commands and understanding manual approaches, but i cannot set my display (intel graphics are disabled) resolution without xrandr?
1772[18:28:38] <beepnboop-> how do i make grub to detect windows
1773[18:28:41] <edgeWr> maybe screens are not detected
1774[18:30:10] <greycat> edgeWr: install the non-free firmware, if that's missing
1775[18:31:19] <edgeWr> i had a quite minimal netinstall
1776[18:31:36] <edgeWr> i even unselected default desktop env
1777[18:31:48] <greycat> Good choice.
1778[18:33:37] <jelly> what is that fragrance, is that the anti-Gnome sentiment in the air
1797[18:44:19] <jelly> beepnboop-: dies your system boot with old BIOS/MBR system, or with UEFI?
1798[18:44:21] <no_gravity> Good Evening
1799[18:44:22] <no_gravity> asciiflow.com is super cool. I wonder if there is something like it but for utf-8. I guess one could make even better flowcharts with utf-8 signs.
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1803[18:45:21] <ws2k3> (hd0) dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC...... and here is a screenshot of blkid and lsblk : replaced-url
1859[19:05:59] <jelly> ws2k3: it's not impossible to recover from loss of /var but it's going to be hard and likely with partial results. "If you value your data, make daily backups."
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1865[19:08:36] <beepnboop-> i'm not okay with this at all
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1868[19:10:00] <DammitJim> is there a way to run a command (the command will require the user to enter a password) and then send that job to the background?
1896[19:20:41] <greycat> if this is for beepnboop-, yes, writing an /etc/grub.d/99_custom entry is not a bad answer until the underlying issues can be solved
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1898[19:21:01] <crackpotmark> Yeah it was his issue I was pondering
1899[19:21:27] <greycat> or, editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom ... I'm not sure how this works
1900[19:21:33] <crackpotmark> Beepnboop, can you run update-grub with - v and post the output?
1901[19:22:00] <beepnboop-> i did that greycat
1902[19:22:42] <beepnboop-> looks like i need to reinstall debian to solve this
1933[19:33:44] <RoyK> ESphynx: sorry - I don't have such a machine
1934[19:34:02] <ESphynx> i realize that :P thanks for trying to help ;)
1935[19:34:55] <dtux> hello, i just copied my ~/.gnupg to a new (CentOS 7) host, and now it tells me my passphrase is invalid. any idea what's going on?+
1936[19:35:14] <greycat> ask a centos channel?
1937[19:35:24] <dtux> greycat: ok
1938[19:36:30] <n4dir> someone can quickly tell me how to get rid of the "ALSAStutterDefeat" warning of mocp, the music player? I can't find the mentioned setting.
1950[19:41:46] <mtn> beepnboop-: how big is your / partition?
1951[19:42:20] <n4dir> beepnboop-: you can make certain parts of the filesystem be on different drives by /etc/fstab. for example /usr comes to mind. The debian installer offers that option (for example)
1952[19:42:33] <n4dir> i dont know much more though, but it sure ain't hard.
1953[19:43:14] <n4dir> i don't think that in debian, or linux in general, there is a clear line between the OS and third party software (as it is for the BSD systems, for example)
1963[19:46:39] <n4dir> beepnboop-: 512 gigabyte is way more than sufficient for the OS and all software you might want to install. As far data are concerned: thats a different question (it depends)
1997[20:01:57] <n4dir> beepnboop-: your question was already anwered by greycat
1998[20:02:22] <beepnboop-> hello grub and os-prober don't detect my secondary os(windows), tried grub-update, add lines in grub-custom file, tried reinstalling grub gain
1999[20:02:24] <annadane> sorry, i'm not even really following the discussion, i sort of hijacked it for my own purposes
2000[20:02:38] <beepnboop-> not it wasn't n4dir
2001[20:02:46] <n4dir> (07:43:19 PM) greycat: To use other drives in unix, you create file systems on them, decide where to mount them, and mount them.
2002[20:03:00] <beepnboop-> different question
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2016[20:08:05] <laoshanlungo> hey there, i screwed up my package management and dependencies and need help. I tried to instlal an autoclicker and now, i cant seem to install / uninstall stuff via apt-get
2017[20:08:43] <laoshanlungo> when i did apt-get remove, i appaerently uninstalled my DM and now im stuck in recovery mode, not being able to uninstall anything since theres always "dependencies" that arent fullfilled
2018[20:08:45] <han-solo> laoshanlungo: What is the error ? some Pastebin ?
2022[20:09:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2038[20:14:13] <petn-randall> laoshanlungo: You can log in though. And you can either use pastebinit, or screenshot it with your smartphone.
2039[20:14:22] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
2040[20:14:22] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
2041[20:14:54] <n4dir> laoshanlungo: you could redirect the output of the mentioned commands to a file, then use pastebinit. If you can't install it you could use sprunge.us (assuming curl is installed. If it isn't either, i am lost too)
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2043[20:15:16] <Azrael_-> i've got some old legacy systems with debian 6 where the time doesn't fit any more. although the timezone is "europe/berlin" it is still "21:14" on the server instead of "20:14". can you give me a hint how to fix this (without upgrading the system)?
2044[20:15:20] <laoshanlungo> fun fact, i cant install stuff so i cant use pastebinit, ill try to take pictures with my phone
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2057[20:16:47] <greycat> I'm betting "I installed an autoclicker ... from an outside web site ... it said ubuntu on it ... that is close enough, right? ... it also said ppa"
2058[20:16:49] <petn-randall> !localized errors
2059[20:16:50] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
2060[20:16:52] <n4dir> han-solo: why?
2061[20:16:53] <petn-randall> laoshanlungo: ^^^
2062[20:16:59] <Azrael_-> petn-randall: it is getting the time from ntp
2063[20:17:09] <han-solo> n4dir: try it
2064[20:17:15] <petn-randall> Azrael_-: What does `ntpq -p` output for you?
2085[20:20:39] <greycat> Azrael_-: you claimed ntp is running. Be more precise. What does "ps auxw | grep ntp" tell you? WHICH ntp program do you believe is running? Is it chrony or openntpd or systemd-timesyncd instead?
2093[20:23:51] <greycat> Azrael_-: this is ntpq -p output, yes? You just started ntp, and it was not running previously? If the clock is far off and you try to start ntp, nothing will happen. You will have to reboot.
2094[20:24:28] <greycat> At least with the default configuration, which you shouldn't be changing.
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2096[20:24:39] <Azrael_-> greycat: the output i gave you is on the server which is/was running the whole time
2097[20:24:55] <greycat> Azrael_-: is something blocking the NTP ports?
2098[20:25:14] <n4dir> for what reason ever sometimes ntp fails for me, and i have to set the time manually (including hwclock), which usually works Azrael_- replaced-url
2108[20:27:47] <Azrael_-> that's quite strange. on the server where ntp didn't run, ntp failed to start once, now it works and the time is correct again
2109[20:28:16] <greycat> those sources showing .INIT. and stratum 16 look like a Problem to me
2110[20:30:09] <Azrael_-> after restarting ntp the output of "ntpq -p" changed: replaced-url
2111[20:30:44] <greycat> still st 16, .INIT. which means it hasn't stabilized yet
2118[20:33:01] <zerocool> hey guys, i pulled latest kernel from stretch-backports and it was saying something about apparmor being enabled... i am having some goofy issues with a libvirt vm but it's network related, as if the vm is behind a firewall
2138[20:43:54] <n4dir> laoshanlungo: i lack the wrong terms right now, but the problem is that deb.debian.org and none of the other repo-sources can't be found.
2139[20:44:11] <n4dir> either no internet connection or something is screwed with the DNS system.
2140[20:44:54] <greycat> trouble-shooting steps: ping 8.8.8.8; ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf; cat /etc/resolv.conf; etc.
2141[20:45:39] <Azrael_-> greycat: the output of "ntpq -p" is still the same :(
2142[20:46:02] <n4dir> laoshanlungo: on another note: you really don't want to add all kind of repos, and mainly not ubuntu ppa's (assuming i am not too tired to fully understand the output ... )
2143[20:46:17] <greycat> Is something blocking the NTP ports (they are UDP, not TCP) at a firewall level?
2178[21:04:09] <greycat> make your networking work
2179[21:04:27] <n4dir> gotta run, but you are in good hands. good luck
2180[21:05:39] <n4dir> ups: last note: with such a !frankendebian i would probably reinstall and never ever add all kind of repos again. really gotta run, sorry
2189[21:10:55] <useless-eater> Hello, I got debian testing running, and upgraded kernel some days ago, and now it will not boot. seems to be related to cryptsetup or something. Used debian installer and installed with pretty much default settings choosing encrypted lvm
2192[21:12:18] <useless-eater> booting the older kernel without problems, but the new 4.17.0-1-amd64 does not boot correctly. Guess its a known issue?
2193[21:12:38] <jim> hi, question from ##linux came up about how to install a debian with specific packages and specific configurations... I mentioned preseeding and had him come here... he just joined, could someone supply the link for introductory info on preseeding?
2205[21:17:01] <bipul> First i would like to choose, the hypervisor which is easy to do automation(for creating VM's) and deploying NIC and web server at POST installation.
2206[21:17:25] <useless-eater> bipul: try proxmox. its pretty awesome
2207[21:17:34] <useless-eater> even for large businesses
2228[21:24:51] <DoomPatrol> i'm using a tls cert to validate a custom repo. the tls certs are (under wheezy) read/writable by root. under stretch it drops privs to a apt user. are there a set of perms i can set to the files that would be more appropriate?
2229[21:26:39] <DoomPatrol> erm, in that when i try to set perms to the tls cert in stretch to root, apt complains that it can't read the files and thus be able to pull from the custom repo
2230[21:26:58] <DoomPatrol> be unable to pull from custom repo*
2258[21:38:56] <jim> laoshanlungo, the debian netinstall is under 1/2 gig
2259[21:39:48] <jim> if you can boot from usb and have a supported net, you can install that way... if you don't you can still install the base and try to get networking going
2279[21:46:34] <jim> ok, could you try: ls -CFR /home/maroufi/opt/ | nc termbin.com 9999
2280[21:47:25] <Peyam> that is made in QT I see
2281[21:47:26] <novilog> Day 3 of trying to create a persistent debian live USB; I create the live USB with a 9.5.0 live image and dd. Do a test boot to make sure it works, everything is good. Then I add a second partition (ext4) to the USB, test boot again, everything is good. Then I set the label of the second partition to persistence, create a persistence.conf containing "/ union", and append the persistence kernel boot
2282[21:47:30] <Peyam> hate that qt
2283[21:47:32] <novilog> parameter at the boot time menu. All of a sudden, the boot process starts hanging at Started update to UTMP. Booting again with the nopersistence flag set does not resolve the issue. Removing the persistence partition does not resolve the issue. The only thing that fixes it is totally re-installing the live image. Anyone have any ideas?
2290[21:48:56] <skapata> [Debian Buster] How can I disable fade in/volume increase audio effect? Everytime any application emits sound, the volume starts from zero instead of starting from the volume I've set in the volume manager.
2314[21:58:01] <novilog> skapata: You'd know if you were using ALSA directly. So the answer is Pulse -- this is a known issue with older versions of Pulse. Since you're in testing, I'm not sure what's at play there. You could look into disabling pulseaudio and using ALSA directly -- this seems to be the solution on other distributions.
2315[21:58:23] <laoshanlungo> ok so can i install debian via net when only using wifi? so far i always had to install the wifi drivers after installing it
2316[21:58:40] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: You could look at /opt/foxitsoftware/foxitreader/welcome/proceed.html and see what it says.
2321[22:00:26] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: Also opt/foxitsoftware/foxitreader:
2322[22:00:32] <jhutchins_wk> Activation*
2323[22:00:40] <novilog> laoshanlungo: If you're asking if you can use the netinstall CD when you're connected to the internet via wifi, then the answer is yes.
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2325[22:01:32] <laoshanlungo> novilog im asking if i can use a netinstall usb stick to install debian
2326[22:01:32] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: There are several decent PDF readers available in Linux/Debian and I believe you can actually install the Adobe reader.
2327[22:01:38] <laoshanlungo> when i only have wifi available
2328[22:01:48] <Trel> What would be the path for the system-wide (or fallback) xinitrc?
2329[22:02:08] <novilog> laoshanlungo: Yes. The live image included in the install CD should have network tools installed already.
2330[22:02:09] <jhutchins_wk> !netinstall
2331[22:02:09] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
2332[22:03:11] <jhutchins_wk> laoshanlungo: Yes, you can install at least a basic system that you can then install the wireless drivers to. Debian has native support for many wifi chipsets, so you may be able to do a full install.
2333[22:03:33] <jhutchins_wk> Trel: I'm not sure there is one.
2334[22:03:48] <laoshanlungo> i know this might be the wrong place, but is there an option like this for windows too? i want to dualboot
2335[22:04:08] <Trel> jhutchins_wk: I thought there was one that gets read in the event that there's not a .xinitrc present in the user's home?
2337[22:04:50] <novilog> Trel: The short of it is /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
2338[22:04:54] <novilog> That's system-wide.
2339[22:05:38] <jhutchins_wk> laoshanlungo: Dual boot capability has been part of Linux since the earliest days. Install windows first.
2340[22:05:44] <Peyam> are you sure you can install acrobat reader in debian?
2341[22:05:56] <greycat> acrobat reader still exists?!
2342[22:06:03] <novilog> greycat: Lol
2343[22:06:32] <novilog> Peyam: Can you? Yes. Is it wise? Probably not.
2344[22:06:33] <laoshanlungo> yes, i want to do that, but i still dont have an usb stick bigger than 2gb and was wondering if i can net install windows aswell
2345[22:06:52] <greycat> ... what
2346[22:06:56] <novilog> !wine
2347[22:06:56] <dpkg> wine is probably ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: replaced-url
2353[22:09:03] <Trel> novilog: that's what I was looking for then, thanks.
2354[22:09:29] <Trel> Trying to copy one to use as a template for something, I figure the one that gets used if I have none is a good as a place as any to start
2355[22:09:54] <Peyam> I have evince but I can not add comments and stuff
2356[22:10:03] <novilog> Trel: Good thinking.
2357[22:10:38] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: That's the whole idea of a PDF.
2359[22:10:42] <novilog> laoshanlungo: I'm not sure what you're planning to do with Windows, but it sounds like the better option for you might be to install linux, then install oracle virtualbox and create a windows VM.
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2361[22:10:52] <Peyam> jhutchins_wk, I want to be able to write comments
2362[22:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: You're not supposed to try to edit it, you're supposed to edit the original.
2369[22:11:57] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: They may have troubleshooting or installation instructions.
2370[22:12:16] <Peyam> in the middle of night :D
2371[22:12:18] <novilog> laoshanlungo: It can be if you install it with a graphical front, like GNOME. If you're truly a linux newbie, I would recommend Ubuntu instead.
2378[22:14:58] <laoshanlungo> nah im not a newbie, i have some basic understanding, last time i installed it i just somehow butchered the setup and ended up having to su before i use commands and with a way too small /home archive
2379[22:15:02] <novilog> greycat: Did you happen to see my question earlier? I'm trying to figure out live USBs with persistence and it's really kicking my phanny
2380[22:15:09] <laoshanlungo> any links to where i can ge ta net installer novilog?
2384[22:16:25] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
2385[22:16:33] <greycat> bah
2386[22:16:35] <greycat> !firmware images
2387[22:16:36] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2388[22:16:39] <greycat> that one.
2389[22:17:04] <novilog> greycat: Was that directed toward me?
2390[22:17:31] <Peyam> is there a way to install all needed dependencies ?
2391[22:17:34] <greycat> were you the one asking where to get the net install?
2415[22:27:53] <novilog> Making a live USB with debian 9.5.0. Boots fine before I try to boot with the persistence flag, but after booting hangs, and booting with nopersistence does not resolve it, nor does removing the persistence partition. Not sure why it's hanging, are there issues with the persistence partition being on the same device you're booting live from? Also, are the changes made at the boot menu by pressing tab
2416[22:27:59] <novilog> saved? Should I be using e instead to boot with custom parameters?
2417[22:28:42] <jhutchins_wk> novilog: What procedure are you following? What guide?
2418[22:28:49] <jhutchins_wk> !live
2419[22:28:49] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
2426[22:32:20] <novilog> jhutchins_wk: No guide. I'm using a debian 9.5.0 live image with nonfree firmware included. I write it to the USB as usual with dd and everything boots fine. For the persistence part I'm using a partition the size of the remaining device capacity, setting the label to persistence with tune2fs, creating a persistence.conf with "/ union", and appending the boot flag "persistence" at the boot menu
2434[22:37:00] <novilog> According to the documentation on debian live, there are supposed to be 3 ways to indicate a persistent partition to the kernel -- with a gpt name, a filesystem label, or an image file. I'm attempting to use the filesystem label method.
2443[22:45:19] <novilog> jhutchins_wk: Was I supposed to surmise from that that I am asking in the wrong irc? Hard to tell what your intention was, since you stopped responding...
2449[22:52:21] <Bundestrojaner> good evening. I'm installing debian stable at a very old pc (amd 64 x2, nvidia 7600gt). at first boot, kde started succesfull but graphic artifacts occured.
2450[22:52:22] <Bundestrojaner> I've installed nvidia-340.102 as described in replaced-url
2451[22:52:22] <Bundestrojaner> Rebooting ended in terminal one, syslog says "display server failed to start. Exiting"
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2453[22:53:21] <Brigo> Bundestrojaner, what's the output of nvidia-detect?
2482[23:04:15] <jhutchins_wk> subz3r0: Paste the error into google.
2483[23:04:33] <subz3r0> jhutchins_wk: already did that
2484[23:04:47] <subz3r0> could it be that i get the mails again and again because i did not clean the paniclog?
2485[23:05:05] <subz3r0> coze it says it hasnt zero size
2486[23:05:13] <jhutchins_wk> I suppose, I have't had to mess with exim in a while.
2487[23:05:27] <jhutchins_wk> subz3r0: Does exim start?
2488[23:05:35] <subz3r0> yeah without issues
2489[23:05:45] <jhutchins_wk> subz3r0: THat's just the error when you try to send?
2490[23:06:03] <subz3r0> sadly i needed to restore the machine via rsync. and somehow the user.group was incorrect for that directory
2491[23:06:47] <subz3r0> jhutchins_wk: no, i fixed the user.group and then tried to send a mail to root again... without any issues. but still getting this emails that it was not possible to create the spool files
2492[23:07:13] <subz3r0> i just rebooted the machine and cleaned the paniclog before. let's see if i still get thos mails about wrong permissions
2502[23:11:11] <Bundestrojaner> I've apt removed the nvidia-340, autoremoved and installed 304, but it still fails. Xorg.0.log still says it tries to load 340...
2503[23:11:11] <Bundestrojaner> how can i fix this?
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2539[23:43:47] <novilog> Still haven't figured out what's causing this problem with persistence on my live USB. The live USB image boots successfully before setting up the persistence partition and appending the boot flag, but afterward booting hangs. The change appears to be sticky too, because appending the boot flag "nopersistence" doesn't solve it, nor does removing the persistence partition. Not sure what's going on here.