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8 [00:11:13] <orekix> is it possible to pass the root password for mariadb to packages that use dbconfig-common or do I have to configure their databases manually after installing them?
9 [00:11:22] <orekix> phpmyadmin and roundcube to be specific
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14 [00:20:18] <netcrash> Hello, does anyone have any ideas on cheap solution to loadbalance with fail safe for a small network?
15 [00:20:31] <netcrash> load balance between 3 ISP
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21 [00:26:50] <Brigo> netcrash, maybe bonding interfaces
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31 [00:46:27] <at0m> netcrash: got money to spend on a router? these are pretty cheap and have great support replaced-url
32 [00:47:27] <at0m> on top, their OS is based on debian, so if you're familiar with that =)
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43 [01:01:22] <netcrash> at0m: thank you
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45 [01:01:50] <netcrash> at0m: do you know this one replaced-url
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75 [01:38:18] <sanctus> Debian porn ,, ahhhh!!!
76 [01:38:24] <hassoon> ?
77 [01:40:33] <at0m> netcrash: in many years of tplink, i've had maybe one software update. i've seen a couple in under a year with ubnt. on top, that ubnt is supported by openwrt/lede, so will enjoy long support.
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79 [01:41:54] <sanctus> Why is Debian so slow ? packages are old! is that a security thing ?
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81 [01:42:39] <hassoon> sanctus: that's wisdom
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83 [01:43:03] <sanctus> ahh ok :)
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97 [02:05:32] * sanctus Away got a e-mail !!
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112 [02:22:38] <Gigglebyte> Yeah, I got an email. Why do you want it?
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118 [02:34:30] <Resilience> I am wondering about what does exactly ssdpd does, it is a upnp daemon, so if I uninstall it, what can I broke? what things I will not be able to do? (not me, my linux box)
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121 [02:36:22] <netcrash> replaced-url
122 [02:36:25] <netcrash> found this at0m
123 [02:36:37] <Brigo> Resilience, probably you don't need it if you don't know what is doing in you system. Anyway you can always reinstall it.
124 [02:37:04] <sanctus> So nice that i found this guys mutt script replaced-url
125 [02:37:49] <Resilience> Brigo, I know it, what does exactly upnp does? autdiscover devices on network, right, but, apart from multimedia disks an so on, does it make anything else?
126 [02:37:53] <at0m> Resilience: apt show minissdpd
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129 [02:38:25] <at0m> Resilience: many services can announce themselves: network player, web server, shares,..
130 [02:39:46] <Resilience> at0m yes, they anounce themselves and... what? what does the upnp daemon? what applications make use of it? and how?
131 [02:41:05] <michael2> is anyone familiar with the program `install-mbr'? what does it do? why does debian docs here recommend it?
132 [02:41:07] <michael2> replaced-url
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134 [02:43:07] <michael2> I think it installs the first stage of the bootloader
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139 [02:45:03] <at0m> Resilience: for example VLC on your mobile device can then see and browse media shares. convenient when not using static IP's maybe..
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141 [02:45:13] <sanctus> Who needs a boot loader. use a crank shaft!
142 [02:46:34] <Resilience> at0m, yes, convenient, but apart fom mutimedia devices any other use for it?
143 [02:46:56] <at0m> Resilience: if you don't actively use it, you won't miss it.
144 [02:47:15] <at0m> if you'd use it, you would know.
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146 [02:49:01] <Resilience> at0m, I konw it, but wanted to understand what it was used for... I assume that a upnp daemon searches or listen for another upnp devices (as my router) and it brings to a DBUS service the shares discovered, and that is how appls can know wwhat upnp shres there are in the net, right?
147 [02:49:48] <at0m> Resilience: right, instead of actively scanning the subnet, devices announce themselves using upnp
148 [02:50:26] <at0m> *instead of clients actively scanning the whole subnet, services announce themselves using upnp
149 [02:50:39] <Resilience> at0m, and in my machine discovered upnp shares are exposed by means of a DBS Service, right?
150 [02:50:56] <at0m> this can be a printer service, website, fileshare, mediaplayer, what not
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152 [02:51:49] <at0m> dont know about DBS
153 [02:51:56] <Resilience> ayekat, is ther a standard list on that kind of services are announced?
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156 [02:53:06] <at0m> replaced-url
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158 [02:53:25] <at0m> upnp, dlna, zeroconf are different names for the same thing
159 [02:54:00] <Resilience> at0m, oh, thanks for the link :)
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181 [03:38:07] <fifi-v> Hi, running `sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)' gives "oUnable to locate package linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64", is there anything wrong with my apt source list replaced-url
182 [03:43:21] <themill> That's not the kernel for stable
183 [03:43:50] <themill> What debian release do you think that box is running?
184 [03:44:20] <themill> (or, better, what release do you intend it to be currently running?)
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188 [03:46:35] <fifi-v> themill: installed jessie initially
189 [03:47:19] <themill> based on your sources.list, you likely have an interesting mixture of jessie and stretch
190 [03:47:47] <fifi-v> what can I do to fix it? It's my own laptop, I'm installing a driver for an external wifi adaptor, which requires the kernel package.
191 [03:48:36] <themill> Upgrading to stretch would be an entirely sensible thing to do -- it's the current stable release and was released over a year ago
192 [03:49:02] <themill> (and *never* use 'stable' in your sources.list)
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194 [03:50:55] <fifi-v> themill: do I just replace "stable" and "jessie" with "stretch" in my source list file, and run `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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196 [03:51:22] <themill> dpkg, jessie->stretch
197 [03:51:23] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
198 [03:51:50] <themill> deb-multimedia is likely to cause problems and is also likely not needed
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204 [03:59:19] <fifi-v> thanks
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212 [04:08:26] <Error451> evrybody always so gratefull
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215 [04:08:39] <Error451> but nobody sticks around
216 [04:08:52] <Error451> to be helpfull for next question
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222 [04:16:44] <Resilience> when I run tcpdumo I see this: 04:15:51.628619 IP 192.168.1.1.1900 > 239.255.255.250.1900: UDP, length 269, how can I know which program is sending by the port 1900? lsof?
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227 [04:22:57] <rwp> Resilience, According to replaced-url
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230 [04:23:38] <Resilience> rwp, I know it, but I don't know which program is sending upnp
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263 [04:56:36] <michael2> does anyone know how to configure syslinux to point to kernel image and ramdisk from debians netinstaller?
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284 [05:26:49] <vyadhaka> is there a BASH command that expands the POSIX character classes?
285 [05:27:07] <vyadhaka> similar to replaced-url
286 [05:27:30] <vyadhaka> I am after a program that prints out all the characters in the class
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290 [05:34:45] <rwp> Resilience, You might be able to spot the process that looks suspicious from a 'ps -efH | less' listing.
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292 [05:36:18] <Resilience> thansk rwp
293 [05:37:18] <rwp> Resilience, Also 'lsof -i | less' (I know you already mentioned lsof)
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295 [05:38:35] <rwp> Probably with -n to use numbers instead of names. As lsof -n -i | less or something.
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297 [05:39:51] <Resilience> rwp, lsof did not workd but ps did
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299 [05:40:24] <rwp> lsof needs root permissions, just as a hint. Glad to hear that you found the process with ps. What one was it?
300 [05:44:07] <Resilience> rwp, avahi
301 [05:44:38] <rwp> Avahi! That scoundrel process!
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304 [05:45:00] <Resilience> rwp, what does it mean scoundrel?
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306 [05:45:31] <rwp> A scoundrel is an evil person.
307 [05:45:37] <rue_> for a 2.4G celleron, what arch do I use?
308 [05:45:43] <rwp> replaced-url
309 [05:45:49] <rue_> surely not amd64
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315 [05:47:55] <rue_> hello
316 [05:47:57] <rue_> ?
317 [05:48:05] <rue_> did the bots kill you all?
318 [05:48:20] <rue_> what are treh odds of 1215 in a channel and nobody is talking
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320 [05:49:13] <lastnode> you've seen BSG. you know how this ends
321 [05:49:45] <rue_> is there a 64 bit port of debian for intel processors?
322 [05:49:50] <rue_> cause, I dont see it
323 [05:50:38] <themill> amd64.
324 [05:50:52] <rue_> ok, but, really?
325 [05:51:30] <rue_> for intel processors, just checking the math here
326 [05:52:00] <dvs> !amd64
327 [05:52:00] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
328 [05:52:01] <themill> intel did not invent the architecture
329 [05:52:11] <lastnode> amd64 is for intel too - replaced-url
330 [05:52:40] <rue_> hahah, amd was leading? how cool is that, hahahah
331 [05:53:00] <themill> replaced-url
332 [05:53:32] <rue_> I have to update the netboot, and I'm not finding the files I need
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334 [05:54:10] <rue_> ah
335 [05:54:18] <rue_> replaced-url
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401 [08:08:56] <rue_rack> how do I reduce the icon size in gnome?
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405 [08:12:00] <pi0> how do i expand the size of /dev/sda
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408 [08:18:04] <rue_rack> pi0 you make a partition larger than the physical drive, all this junk about buying new hardware is just a shaft
409 [08:18:44] <rue_rack> anyone know if gnome has a dpi adjust?
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417 [08:32:27] <pi0> hmm
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420 [08:38:19] <rue_> dpi?
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427 [09:02:42] <smallville7123> how do i fix this replaced-url
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440 [09:12:46] <smallville7123> i did sudo debootstrap stable /opt/debian/
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453 [09:49:59] <linux8659> hi ,any security advantage in using separate partitions for /root /home /usr /var /temp ????thanks
454 [09:51:00] <smallville7123> nope
455 [09:51:28] <annadane> i wouldn't categorically say no
456 [09:51:41] <annadane> but it kinda depends how they're used
457 [09:51:53] <annadane> i've never really done that so i don't know the full details
458 [09:51:55] <smallville7123> except for using more gpt slots if u have say 1 partition for every root directory
459 [09:52:19] <annadane> it's definitely less convenient and there are other ways to be secure in the default layout
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461 [09:54:43] <linux8659> does it not make escalation privilege more difficult if a user process is compromised (browser or torrent client)???I m not an expert ,trying to learn..
462 [09:55:13] <linux8659> (using LVM partitioning
463 [09:55:49] <annadane> it won't affect escalation privilege, and it depends on how you've set things up, eg if your browser/torrent client uses some kind of sandboxing or apparmor and so on... the most vulnerable thing is as always the user's home directory
464 [09:56:25] <annadane> but i'm not an expert.
465 [09:56:34] <linux8659> so separating /home from /root is an advantage?
466 [09:56:51] <annadane> not particularly
467 [09:57:34] <annadane> i'm actually really tired and going to bed, i'm sure someone else can talk to you about it
468 [09:58:10] <smallville7123> how can i depermine if a bootstrap package is from stable or wheezy
469 [09:58:24] <smallville7123> as i get segfault when chrooting into wheezy
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471 [09:58:47] <smallville7123> W: Failure trying to run: chroot "/opt/wheezy" dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.26_amd64.deb
472 [09:58:49] <smallville7123> W: See /opt/wheezy/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details
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474 [10:01:01] <smallville7123> replaced-url
475 [10:01:15] <annadane> (i mean, /home is *already* seperated from /root, just not on a seperate partition)
476 [10:01:24] <linux8659> annadane thanks
477 [10:01:35] <linux8659> annadane thanks
478 [10:01:36] <annadane> (but that doesn't mean home suddenly has access to root)
479 [10:02:17] <annadane> but considering everyone dumps everything in home anyway, it's probably not great for security in the first place
480 [10:02:25] <linux8659> annadane so no security advantage
481 [10:02:59] <annadane> seperate home partition by itself may provide a security advantage, though, but again i haven't really looked into it
482 [10:03:07] <linux8659> annadane or maybe a small one?
483 [10:03:21] <annadane> because then you can just unmount your home when you're not using it or whatever
484 [10:04:16] <annadane> (and the reason for all this is because the home directory is the only place where an unprivileged user can write and so on and so malicious programs can target it)
485 [10:04:28] <annadane> ok, but i am leaving now
486 [10:04:52] <annadane> i still just shove everything in home and i probably shouldn't
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491 [10:11:15] <linux8659> annadane thanks
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496 [10:17:45] <KdeKris> How safe are some of the tips here to get faster boot times? replaced-url
497 [10:19:52] <ksk> KdeKris: safe as in? Id assume they will not turn your system into a "please root me box" without reading that
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500 [10:20:16] <ksk> you should still as always understand what these commands on there are doing, or you could end up with a non-bootable system I suppose
501 [10:21:50] <ksk> the article seems to be more general then rather "just do all these things" so if you think before you do something Id say you are fine :)
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503 [10:22:47] <KdeKris> don't know if anyone responded, got disconnected for a few seconds. Still curious though.
504 [10:22:54] <ksk> also, take a look at the output of "systemd-analyze blame" to see startup of various services (the article still has lots of sysv-init parts in it)
505 [10:23:07] <ksk> 08:19 < ksk> KdeKris: safe as in? Id assume they will not turn your system into a "please root me box" without reading that
506 [10:23:10] <ksk> 08:20 < ksk> you should still as always understand what these commands on there are doing, or you could end up with a non-bootable system I suppose
507 [10:23:13] <ksk> 08:21 < ksk> the article seems to be more general then rather "just do all these things" so if you think before you do something Id say you are fine :)
508 [10:23:28] <ksk> the line beginning with also: is also for you ;)
509 [10:25:04] <KdeKris> ksk, thanks. Of course I didn't plan on just running down the list and trying them all. I would want to actually find out what is taking the longest amount of time during boot, and also what is being initialized at boot, that isn't really necessary.
510 [10:25:55] <ksk> see the systemd command then.
511 [10:25:57] <ArahaelPi> How can I 'flip" my mouse scroll? I keep scrolling the wrong way.
512 [10:26:36] <KdeKris> Your "systemd-analyze blame" will give me a list of startup services it seems. Sorted by time as well. Such as NetworkManager-wait-online.service. I don't think I need to wait for that while booting. It can load post login really.
513 [10:27:15] <KdeKris> Now to figure out how to do that, hopefully using some steps found in my posted link.
514 [10:28:18] <KdeKris> Looks like I can shave a whole 9 seconds off by telling NetworkManager-wait-online.service to wait till after login. Nice
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516 [10:28:52] <KdeKris> add another 5 seconds by delaying NetworkManager.service. I'm liking this.lol
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518 [10:30:43] <linux8659> have the same problem arahael!
519 [10:31:17] <KdeKris> And another five with windscribe-cli.service. Hell, i'm about to take 20 seconds off my boot time. Thanks for the tip ksk.
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521 [10:32:15] <ArahaelPi> linux8659: Good, you can find me a solution, then! :)
522 [10:32:44] <ksk> KdeKris: Im not sure if that is archievable, wish you best luck though ;)
523 [10:33:20] <ksk> ArahaelPi: linux8659 most linux desktop environments offer settings dialoges, which offer mouse settings - did you take a look there? this should also be easy to google..
524 [10:33:21] <KdeKris> ksk: I'll keep reading before I actually make any changes. Don't want to break the system. haha
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526 [10:33:58] <KdeKris> ArahaelPi, linux8659, do you have a file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-natural-scrolling-mouses.conf" or similar?
527 [10:34:11] <ArahaelPi> ksk: Yep, it's not there, in LXDE's settings.
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529 [10:34:17] <ksk> (like, on a server most services depend on "network" - I am not sure if networkmanager is needed to have the networking setup or not on a desktop)
530 [10:34:57] <linux8659> kdekris in gnome it doesn t offer to change the direction as far as I can see
531 [10:35:00] <ArahaelPi> KdeKris: No.
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534 [10:39:12] <ArahaelPi> Apparently this setting works, but I have no idea why, really: Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 5 4 6 7 8"
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536 [10:39:58] <KdeKris> I was just looking at that replaced-url
537 [10:40:04] <linux8659> I have a very long shutdown time due to a service waiting to close ,how can I identify this service???
538 [10:40:57] <KdeKris> However, the file in my system is /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf
539 [10:41:15] <KdeKris> ArahaelPi do you have this or similar file?
540 [10:41:53] <KdeKris> linux8659, same question. ^
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542 [10:43:15] <linux8659> kdekriss thanks for the mouse direction ,will see after a logout login !!!
543 [10:43:46] <ArahaelPi> KdeKris: Yeah, I have that.
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545 [10:44:24] <ArahaelPi> But I suppose I want to know how to know the configuration. This isn't mentioned in 'man xorg.conf', at all, for instance.
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547 [10:45:20] <KdeKris> Add the line "Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 5 4 6 7 8"" in the section with "libinput pointer catchall" above the driver line. This should do the trick.
548 [10:45:46] <ArahaelPi> KdeKris: Yeah, I could've just done that. But why and more importantly, where, is this documented?
549 [10:46:50] <KdeKris> As far as I've searched, I can't find documentation except where others are having the same issue in my google-fu. Seems that this little option is the key, but no source as to why.
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551 [10:47:50] <ArahaelPi> KdeKris: My suspicion is that it's a completely arbitrary setting based in the libinput driver.
552 [10:48:17] <ArahaelPi> KdeKris: And deep in the driver, it somehow expects an array of integers as a 'button mapping'. To map the hardware buttons to software buttons.
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554 [10:49:50] <KdeKris> That would be my guess as well. I did find a setting in System Settings > Input Devices > Mouse, with a checkbox to invert scroll direction. Which is a much simpler solution.
555 [10:50:58] <ArahaelPi> Ah, which wm or de are you using?
556 [10:51:02] <ArahaelPi> I'm using LXDE, I think.
557 [10:51:06] <KdeKris> KDE
558 [10:51:13] <ArahaelPi> Right. :)
559 [10:51:42] <ArahaelPi> Hmm, didn't do the trick. :/
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561 [10:52:00] <KdeKris> Yeah, LXDE is a much simpler de, without all the bells and whistles, so I don't know if you'll have a similar setting.
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569 [10:54:42] <ROKO__> hello guys
570 [10:54:54] <ROKO__> i need some help with HDMI TV as monitor.
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572 [10:55:09] <ROKO__> at the moment it works it recognize it as full hd
573 [10:55:17] <ROKO__> but screen is absolutely unreadable
574 [10:55:22] <ROKO__> bad render at all
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577 [10:55:42] <KdeKris> Got DC'd again. Crappy net here.
578 [10:56:27] <KdeKris> Also, having a black screen issue when I start a movie with vlc in .avi format. Others seem to work okay though.
579 [10:56:58] <klys> roko__, what terminal emulator are you using on your hdtv?
580 [10:58:37] <ROKO__> klys: what you mean ?
581 [10:58:41] <ROKO__> guake
582 [10:58:50] <ROKO__> but render is bad everywhere.
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584 [10:59:21] <ROKO__> /paste.debian.net/1037624/
585 [10:59:52] <ROKO__> replaced-url
586 [11:00:42] <klys> roko__, have you tried 60 Hz?
587 [11:00:50] <ROKO__> nope
588 [11:00:55] <ROKO__> i don't have such option
589 [11:01:00] <ROKO__> in xfce
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591 [11:01:48] <klys> mebby xrandr will let you do that
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594 [11:02:24] <KdeKris> Another black screen. No idea what's causing it.
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596 [11:02:46] <ArahaelPi> KdeKris: Consider using tmux or something until you find the cause.
597 [11:02:49] <ROKO__> xrandr --output HDMI-A-0 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60
598 [11:02:51] <ROKO__> ?
599 [11:03:01] <KdeKris> Only in VLC though.
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602 [11:03:36] <KdeKris> If I use dragon player, no problem. Dragon player doesn't seem to play some format types though.
603 [11:03:42] <linux8659> kdekriss just did reboot and it didn t work for me
604 [11:03:47] <ROKO__> klys: nope. same
605 [11:03:50] <ROKO__> even worst
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607 [11:04:49] <KdeKris> linux8659, adding the Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 5 4 6 7 8" line?
608 [11:04:49] <klys> roko__, what is the make and model of your monitor?
609 [11:05:38] <ROKO__> hitachi 24hb1t65u
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615 [11:07:15] <ROKO__> its probably scaling problem
616 [11:07:27] <klys> roko__, replaced-url
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618 [11:09:31] <linux8659> kdekris in touchpad section line befor driver "evdev"
619 [11:09:38] <ROKO__> klys: probably.
620 [11:09:49] <ROKO__> i'm comfused why it was detected as fullhd
621 [11:10:08] <klys> roko__, how's that working for you at 1360x768 ?
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623 [11:10:34] <ROKO__> not good..
624 [11:10:42] <ROKO__> its wierd.
625 [11:10:53] <ROKO__> a little bit better but still terrible.
626 [11:11:10] <ROKO__> in terminal cannot even read
627 [11:11:32] <klys> press ctrl + a few times.
628 [11:12:20] <ROKO__> nothing.
629 [11:12:28] <ROKO__> for what is this shortcut ?
630 [11:12:36] <klys> did it enlarge your terminal font?
631 [11:13:01] <ROKO__> nope. probably this is for different terminal
632 [11:13:03] <ROKO__> i'm on guake
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634 [11:13:11] <ROKO__> its not font size the problem
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636 [11:13:17] <ROKO__> font is big but unreadable
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638 [11:13:53] <ROKO__> it looks like so bad.
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640 [11:13:59] <klys> roko__, have you got a way to snap a picture of this screen?
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642 [11:15:46] <jarfr> Hi everybody , someone have an idea to timeline deployment to firefox-esr 60 on buster ( that on experimental now) ? thx
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644 [11:16:55] <ROKO__> klys: replaced-url
645 [11:17:06] <ROKO__> look at color lines in weechat
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647 [11:17:10] <ROKO__> for example
648 [11:17:17] <ROKO__> and its everywhere like that
649 [11:17:24] <ROKO__> and a bit laggy for some reason.
650 [11:17:46] <ROKO__> looks like a missing font rendering
651 [11:17:51] <ROKO__> and antialiasing
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658 [11:21:51] <klys> roko__, if that isn't just a reflection of your room, then it's probably damaged goods.
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661 [11:27:00] <ROKO__> its reflection of room
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666 [11:30:22] <ROKO__> just ignore reflection
667 [11:30:36] <ROKO__> can you read anything from weechat ?
668 [11:30:40] <ROKO__> because i cannot
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672 [11:34:01] <jmd> After upgrading to stretch I cannot start sendmail. The console shows the message "[ ok ] Starting sendmail (via systemctl): sendmail.service." but it never starts. how can I find out why not?
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677 [11:37:38] <ROKO__> just pointless :> back to my old monitor.
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683 [11:44:35] <ROKO__> [ 926.923769] [drm:amdgpu_connector_dvi_detect [amdgpu]] *ERROR* HDMI-A-1: probed a monitor but no|invalid EDID
684 [11:44:37] <ROKO__> [ 1386.754956] [drm:amdgpu_connector_dvi_detect [amdgpu]] *ERROR* HDMI-A-1: probed a monitor but no|invalid EDID
685 [11:44:41] <ROKO__> there is something else needed
686 [11:44:43] <ROKO__> :>
687 [11:44:48] <ROKO__> thanks anyway
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689 [11:45:14] <patterson> play games with it or watch video instead
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698 [12:01:43] <Austin___> how do i check that my PCI USB card supports USB 2.0?
699 [12:01:53] <Austin___> any port i use will connect with USB 1.1 only
700 [12:02:16] <Austin___> have tried a few devices. lsusb -t shows they connect at "12M"
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709 [12:07:14] <dutchfish> ROKO__, sometimes, edid errors occur on bad hdmi cables, have you checked that?
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713 [12:09:03] <dutchfish> ROKO__, if not, you could try adding radeon.modeset=0 to the kernel line.
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716 [12:10:55] <dutchfish> ROKO__, for more, i need to know more about the card you are using.
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722 [12:15:41] <dutchfish> ROKO__, for newer cards that would be amdgpu.modeset=0
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725 [12:18:14] <dutchfish> ROKO__, furthermore, if you are doing early KMS, you must include the custom EDID file in the initramfs otherwise you will run into problems.
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733 [12:26:18] <dutchfish> Austin___, usbutils: /usr/bin/lsusb | lsusb -v
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737 [12:30:04] <dutchfish> Austin___, some devices can only be queried by root, sudo lsusb -v | grep bcdUSB
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754 [12:49:22] <Austin___> bcdUSB is "2.00" for the devices im trying (both have worked in another PC in the past
755 [12:49:45] <Austin___> sudo lsusb -t shows both linking at 12M (1.10)
756 [12:49:57] <Austin___> dmesg says that i should use a USB2.0 port
757 [12:50:08] <ROKO__> dutchfish: HD7870
758 [12:50:29] <Austin___> for the dvb card, the other is a pendrive. that is shown in fdisk, so is working
759 [12:50:51] <dutchfish> Austin___, mmm... are you sure the other end can handle it, if not its falling back?
760 [12:51:31] <Austin___> i did read something about ports not able to supply 500mA falling back to 1.10
761 [12:51:38] <Austin___> but id imagine that would be in dmesg somewhere?
762 [12:51:55] <dutchfish> Austin___, no, not in dmesg
763 [12:52:01] <Austin___> dmesg says to just use a 2.0 port, which i thought this card was
764 [12:52:17] <dutchfish> Austin___, dmesg just clasifies (but doesnt test t)
765 [12:52:26] <Austin___> gotcha
766 [12:53:22] <Austin___> had my rack out earlier and checked the only IC on the board, and it's a 2.0 host controller
767 [12:54:01] <dutchfish> ROKO__, on this kernel (Debian/stable) i do nt know for that card, could be you need the radeon driver. For newer kernels 4.14.x and up it is amdgpu driver you want.
768 [12:56:24] <Austin___> hmm, should i see a 2.0 hub in "lsusb"?
769 [12:56:26] <epicmetal> How is it that LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/$LIB/apulse exec magically knows to resolve $LIB to 'lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' when $LIB isn't defined in the environment?
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771 [12:56:54] <dutchfish> Austin___, checking if that particular device works as expected is a test ou could do. Sometimes (borderline power draw) can do funny things on cheaper boards.
772 [12:57:11] <epicmetal> I'm guessing it is Debian's multiarch implementation but what exactly has LIB defined?
773 [12:57:14] <dutchfish> Austin___, try another port?
774 [12:57:24] <Austin___> although having said that, my usb stick wont take >500mA, and so wouldnt be throttled
775 [12:57:27] <Austin___> and should work at 2.0
776 [12:57:32] <Austin___> ive tried all 4!
777 [12:57:36] <Austin___> same error on each
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779 [12:57:39] <dutchfish> Austin___, ok
780 [12:57:54] <dutchfish> Austin___, this is Debian stock kernel?
781 [12:58:01] <epicmetal> It doesn't seem to be a function of dash/sh
782 [12:58:03] <Austin___> honestly, it's ubuntu
783 [12:58:23] <Austin___> but i could easily spin up a fresh debian instance to test
784 [12:58:50] <dutchfish> Austin___, i am aware of usb quircks in 4.x release, maybe ask in #ubuntu ?
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787 [12:59:34] <dutchfish> Austin___, its a while back, i deleved into this
788 [12:59:41] <dutchfish> delved*
789 [12:59:52] <Austin___> i did, and would still be there if someone as helpful as yourself was online
790 [13:00:12] * dutchfish scratches head
791 [13:00:17] <Austin___> will try again, otherwise, i can whip up a debian VM
792 [13:00:48] <dutchfish> Austin___, 2 more thoughts, try a newer kernel from bpo and check the cables
793 [13:01:13] <dutchfish> Austin___, it wouldnt be the first time that cables are the culprit
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795 [13:01:55] <Austin___> both devices are dongles. i had hoped that removing the 20cm extender cables would help
796 [13:02:07] <dutchfish> ah ok, so that isnt it
797 [13:02:50] <dutchfish> Austin___, last thing, sometimes, bioses come with hybrid power management, also check those options
798 [13:03:01] <dutchfish> (for usb)
799 [13:03:37] <dutchfish> Austin___, newer kernels help in that respect too
800 [13:03:50] <dutchfish> Austin___, think power management
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802 [13:04:34] <dutchfish> Austin___, some older usb devices fall back to slower protos once powermanagement kicks in and wont go back
803 [13:04:53] <Austin___> im using ubuntu 18.04
804 [13:04:58] <dutchfish> Austin___, that is easy to fix
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806 [13:05:06] <Austin___> gotcha. i'll scour my BIO settings
807 [13:05:07] <dutchfish> Austin___, what kernel has that one?
808 [13:05:08] <Austin___> BIOS*
809 [13:05:10] <Austin___> brb
810 [13:05:46] <Austin___> 4.15
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812 [13:06:29] <dutchfish> Austin___, mmm... i dont like thta kernel personally, look if your repo has something like 4.17.x
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814 [13:06:54] <dutchfish> Austin___, and 4.16 is even worse
815 [13:07:03] <Austin___> ok, this is new territory to me
816 [13:07:13] <Austin___> should i google or i sit relatively easy?
817 [13:07:16] <Austin___> is it*
818 [13:07:37] <dutchfish> Austin___, well, look at bpo in your repo
819 [13:07:45] <dutchfish> !bpo
820 [13:07:45] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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822 [13:08:04] <dutchfish> Austin___, ubuntu has somethig simular
823 [13:08:51] <dutchfish> Austin___, in there you find the newer kernels
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829 [13:20:39] <dutchfish> epicmetal, replaced-url
830 [13:22:00] <epicmetal> dutchfish: found it in ld.so manpage, now I'm reading up on the loader. Thanks for that link
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834 [13:24:33] <Austin___> thanks for your help dutchfish. i'll do some digging, as i'm using a hypervisor between the hardware and this VM, and im suspicious of the config of the hypervisor
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836 [13:26:19] <dutchfish> Austin___, fair enough, good luck
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838 [13:27:13] <dutchfish> Austin___, maybe IOMMU is for you
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853 [13:38:14] <Austin___> yea, thats what im doing. xenserver allows you to assign specific PCI devices to specific VM's
854 [13:39:01] <Austin___> i've used it before for passing through a pair of HBA cards to a NAS VM, but for some reason im having problems with USB controller being put through the same process
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857 [13:39:30] <Austin___> likely down to my inexperience with USB at any greater level than electrical
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895 [14:43:31] <aZz7eCh> hi #debian. I have a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart to launch a script when I log into gnome... only, gnome doesn't seem to be launching it. I can double click the .desktop file and it runs the script fine, but logging in, it does nothing... can anyone enlighten me a little on this one?
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906 [14:52:46] <aZz7eCh> --okay not sure why ... but if i add "sleep 10" to the start of the script, it then appears to run fine. must be a timing issue unfortunately ... network not ready or something.
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916 [15:09:03] <rmk0> 'lo. i'm having trouble installing runit-init on a vanilla system that was recently updated to testing. this is the error i get: replaced-url
917 [15:09:24] <rmk0> i have no held packages, and systemd-sysv is not installed. i don't understand what the message is trying to tell me
918 [15:12:53] <rmk0> i uninstalled systemd, which then evidently caused apt to install various sysv packages. i'm wondering if that's where the conflict is
919 [15:13:02] <rmk0> with runit as pid 1, none of the sysv stuff is required
920 [15:13:38] <rmk0> of course, if i try to uninstall the sysv stuff, that makes apt automatically try to install systemd again
921 [15:13:50] <rmk0> is there some way to prevent it from trying to be helpful?
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924 [15:19:44] <jelly> !bat
925 [15:19:44] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
926 [15:20:07] <jelly> rmk0, provide all that info, in the testing-dedicated channel
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928 [15:20:11] <jelly> !debian-next
929 [15:20:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
930 [15:20:32] <rmk0> jelly: will do. sorry for the noise!
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932 [15:20:34] <anna9203> Hey guys, what method do you recommend for auto starting a program like conky or a widget
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934 [15:21:20] <anna9203> maybe just the autostart folder?
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949 [15:40:39] <Akuw> hi
950 [15:40:50] <Akuw> i just installed ntpd and add new servers
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952 [15:40:57] <Akuw> but time is not updated
953 [15:41:09] <Akuw> i runned ntpd -P and see servers
954 [15:44:06] <Akuw> what i need to update? restart?
955 [15:44:21] <Brigo> Akuw, is the time and date right already?
956 [15:44:26] <Akuw> no
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958 [15:44:41] <TellMeMore> ntp won't change the date iirc
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960 [15:45:14] <Akuw> TellMeMOre: what are you saying?
961 [15:45:48] <TellMeMore> it will sync the time, but if there's more than 24h difference, it won't update it
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965 [15:47:42] <Akuw> only 1 hour
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967 [15:48:09] <Akuw> real time: 10:47 Old time: 9:48
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969 [15:49:07] <Akuw> because here the time change from winter to spring
970 [15:49:20] <tdn> Can I use zfs for non-bootable file systems in Debian 9 without using any third party or non free sources?
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972 [15:51:03] <TellMeMore> tdn: zfs is in contrib
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981 [16:00:21] <Brigo> Akuw, try -g: from tha man page: "-g
982 [16:00:21] <Brigo> Normally, ntpd exits if the offset exceeds the sanity limit, which is 1000 s by default. If the sanity limit is set to zero, no sanity checking is performed and any offset is acceptable. This option overrides the limit and allows the time to be set to any value without restriction; however, this can happen only once. After that, ntpd will exit if the limit is exceeded. "
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984 [16:03:34] <Akuw> replaced-url
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986 [16:04:30] <Akuw> using this replaced-url
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989 [16:05:08] <Akuw> illegal option -- g
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991 [16:06:10] <Murii_> what browser do you guys use?
992 [16:06:32] * dvs sets foxes on fire
993 [16:06:40] <diogenes_> Murii_, falkon, <<< the best
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996 [16:08:12] <Murii_> diogenes_, I cannot download it using apt-get
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998 [16:08:34] <diogenes_> Murii_, debian stable?
999 [16:08:39] <Murii_> yes
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1001 [16:09:07] <diogenes_> then you cannot but i've made a local package for it, if you want i can give you the link
1002 [16:09:30] <Murii_> I'll compile it manually
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1004 [16:09:55] <diogenes_> yeah but first you need to compile the qt libs
1005 [16:10:11] <at0m> ,v falkon
1006 [16:10:12] <judd> Package: falkon on amd64 -- buster: 3.0.0-3; sid: 3.0.0-3
1007 [16:10:30] <diogenes_> judd, but not on stable
1008 [16:11:27] <at0m> diogenes_: judd knows. it's a helper bot.
1009 [16:11:58] <diogenes_> :) good to know
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1011 [16:13:05] <at0m> judd is a bot that connects to the repo's, dpkg is a factoid bot
1012 [16:13:30] <at0m> repo's and bug tracking probably
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1040 [16:41:58] <tdn> TellMeMore, is that zfs fuse? And can I just apt-get install it and then start using itT? or do I need to do anything else?
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1042 [16:45:51] <Brigo> tdn, replaced-url
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1044 [16:46:33] <GNU\colossus> hmm. I successfully created and started systemd service unit on stretch (as a user-instance), but that user isn't allowed to view the unit's journal. is that intended?
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1046 [16:47:02] <nimbius> anyone having problems with radvd's special ::64 prefix in squeeze?
1047 [16:47:10] <nimbius> er, stretch, sorry
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1052 [16:57:02] <nimbius> NM. firewall issue
1053 [16:57:12] <nimbius> KEEP ON ROCKIN OUT DEBIAN! and thanks for a great OS :)
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1061 [17:04:34] <JollyRoger`> Hey guys. I've got a bit of a problem -- is there any reason why a drive with a luks Volume would format fine, work fine, read and write fine, then the next reboot after I use cryptsetup to open the luks volume, not be able to find any superblocks within the filesystem when trying to mount?
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1066 [17:06:56] <JollyRoger`> dumpe2fs /dev/mapper/[drive] will return a: dumpe2fs 1.44.3 (10-July-2018)
1067 [17:06:57] <JollyRoger`> dumpe2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/NewDrive
1068 [17:06:57] <JollyRoger`> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
1069 [17:06:57] <JollyRoger`> Found a gpt partition table in /dev/mapper/NewDrive
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1071 [17:08:45] <tdn> Brigo, thanks. Are there any hope that zfs will at some point "just work" in debian without using external stuff from contrib and special headers/dkms?
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1078 [17:21:29] <ksk> tdn: no, as zfs licence is incopatible with the GPL (kernel) - oracle could change that, but..
1079 [17:35:21] <RoyK> atlantis will rise before oracle changes the zfs license
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1081 [17:37:03] <tradar> ahah royk
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1083 [17:41:15] <RoyK> hm… nftables uses a small, specialised VM to do its work. It should, somehow, be possible to do the same for zfs, to isolate it from the rest of the system, but again, it'll take quite some work
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1085 [17:46:58] <JollyRoger`> Well, nevermind that. I just dug out the backup drive and I'll restore the backup drive.
1086 [17:47:18] <JollyRoger`> All should be well!
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1090 [17:49:28] <tradar> JollyRoger`: did it happened right after the "first" reboot? so right after you formatted the filesystem?
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1096 [17:56:51] <JollyRoger`> hey tradar, yeah, it did. The drive was in use for a little bit, I just wanted to check if my files were there and all and check out a few things on the drive that I hadn't seen in a little bit, then I closed it up and switched off the computer for the night.
1097 [17:57:00] <JollyRoger`> Good to see you X), hehe.
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1104 [18:01:43] <tradar> something similar had happened to me a month ago. I formatted a USB device and after the unplug/plug it wasn't anymore working for the very same reason. Next I made sure to sync;umount and cryptosetup close; before the removal and the second time all worked. Even though i am 99% sure i had made it all the first time too. I was so suprised i still remember that.
1105 [18:02:01] <JollyRoger`> Woah, that's... that's bizarre!
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1107 [18:03:07] <tradar> ĸeĸ it was a USB driver i wanted to use as offline backup...so i also restored the files (from their original source). Sort of an upside down world.
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1109 [18:04:42] <JollyRoger`> Heh. Well... I just managed to lose two copies... but the good news is I still should have a couple more... two more copies of them are confirmed to be working.
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1112 [18:05:24] <JollyRoger`> Still, this was definitely a "...bring me old brown trousers!" moment.
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1186 [19:23:06] <Gigglebyte> I lost my backlit control and screen brightness control after installing Debian, and wondering if it is a good idea to reinstall the drivers? System76 doesn't test with Debian and only tests with POP (Ubuntu) and gnome.
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1213 [19:55:46] <RoyK> Gigglebyte: I guess that depends on your type of hardware
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1241 [20:21:37] <novilog> I'm making a Debian live usb for use with a Chromebook c720 and as many other systems as I can. I don't want the limitations of a FAT fs, so how do I choose a filesystem to use? Is the question even relevant? Or can I choose anything that has the features that I like (e.g. ext4 or btrfs)?
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1243 [20:22:15] <SerajewelKS> i guess it depends what the "other systems" support
1244 [20:22:27] <SerajewelKS> windows and OS X are not going to support ext4 or btrfs
1245 [20:23:16] <SerajewelKS> what you could do is put the live USB's / on ext4 and have a separate partition on the USB stick for /home, which you could format FAT if you are willing to live with the limitations of FAT in your /home
1246 [20:23:30] <SerajewelKS> then these "other systems" would be able to read the /home volume at least
1247 [20:23:32] <novilog> SerajewelKS: That's not relevant. I'm not going to try to read the contents of my live usb on a windows or osx system... I'll be booting Debian from the live usb
1248 [20:23:47] <SerajewelKS> oh so "other systems" refers to hardware only?
1249 [20:23:51] <novilog> Yes
1250 [20:24:01] <SerajewelKS> then there's no reason to even care about the filesystem, as long as the kernel on the live system can read it
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1252 [20:24:25] <SerajewelKS> care about interoperability, i mean
1253 [20:24:25] <novilog> Oh awesome! I didn't know if there were hardware limitations beyond the kernel. Thank you so much!
1254 [20:24:36] <SerajewelKS> no, the hardware doesn't really even understand what a filesystem is
1255 [20:24:47] <SerajewelKS> that's a layer inside of the bootloader and kernel
1256 [20:24:52] <jmd> It's rather wierd that the netinst iso image doesn't contain any ppp tools. It makes it rather unfit for purpose.
1257 [20:25:25] <novilog> SerajewelKS: I just confused myself when I was reading about GPT and GUID I think
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1259 [20:26:14] <SerajewelKS> novilog: ah. right. so honestly i'm not entirely sure whether GPT support is needed, but i don't *think* so, as long as the bootloader can use it (which GRUB can, with a BIOS partition)
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1261 [20:26:28] <SerajewelKS> if the disk is <2.7TB i would use an msdos disklabel instead of gpt though
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1263 [20:26:42] <novilog> Does it increase performance or something?
1264 [20:27:04] <SerajewelKS> GPT is required for (1) booting on a UEFI system, or (2) partitioning a disk >2.7TB in size
1265 [20:27:21] <SerajewelKS> if neither apply to you then there isn't really any advantage
1266 [20:27:29] <novilog> Chromebooks are UEFI, but they have legacy boot support
1267 [20:27:34] <novilog> It's just finnecky
1268 [20:27:53] <SerajewelKS> well if your goal is to support "as many other systems as I can" as stated, then i would stick with an msdos disklabel
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1270 [20:28:04] <SerajewelKS> assuming you can get it working on the chromebook
1271 [20:28:44] <novilog> It works, it's just tricky, because you have to set a flag in dev mode, and if the chromebook turns off then the flag is automatically reset (why I don't know). It gets hairy, because it can lock you out of your system.
1272 [20:29:09] <SerajewelKS> i see. then you could go with GPT and pray it works elsewhere. just remember the BIOS boot partition; GRUB requires it to boot from a GPT disk.
1273 [20:30:34] <novilog> From my understanding, it's possible to support both if you have a GPT scheme. I may have misread, I was skimming the Debian wiki on it.
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1275 [20:30:54] <SerajewelKS> with GPT there isn't enough room for the entire bootloader in the MBR like there is with a DOS disklabel, so the BIOS boot partition is required to store the rest of GRUB.
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1278 [20:31:07] <SerajewelKS> this is a non-issue with UEFI because in that case, GRUB is stored on the EFI partition anyway
1279 [20:31:45] <SerajewelKS> so, i think you could make a disk that can boot from either by having a GPT where the first partition is the BIOS boot partition, the second is the EFI partition, and the rest is your live system. but i've not done that, i just think it is theoretically possible.
1280 [20:32:02] <SerajewelKS> (it's very possible that i'm wrong about that)
1281 [20:32:38] <SerajewelKS> brb
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1283 [20:32:51] <novilog> SerajewelKS: Thanks again for all of your help!!
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1342 [21:34:53] <[666]> why is jack being maintained with x and qt components required? is there a way to install jack without them?
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1348 [21:39:08] <gr8> Hi, I am on a T430 with the latest debian version and the brightness keys don't work. What should I do?
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1350 [21:40:04] <SerajewelKS> [666]: jack does not require x or qt
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1355 [21:43:34] <n_1-c_k> gr8: had that on my own thinkpad and fixed it with xbindkeys. The key then calls a script to change the brightness. Not necessarily the best way but worked for me.
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1360 [21:45:45] <diogenes_> gr8, or you could try to add to grub one of these: acpi_backlight=video acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_backlight=native, try one at a time, reboot.
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1365 [21:49:03] <gr8> diogenes_, I tried 'vendor' but it didn't solve the problem. The brightness keys work in the Grub menu though, before the kernel starts
1366 [21:49:28] <gr8> n_1-c_k, can you share the script?
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1368 [21:50:00] <n_1-c_k> gr8: sure, let me find somewhere to paste it... minute...
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1371 [21:54:01] <n_1-c_k> gr8: hth, replaced-url
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1381 [22:03:35] <levifig> #gamingonlinux
1382 [22:03:39] <levifig> shoot, sorry
1383 [22:03:42] <levifig> :(
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1388 [22:14:38] <gr8> n_1-c_k, thanks it was helpful :)
1389 [22:15:41] <n_1-c_k> gr8: jolly good! :)
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1409 [22:34:09] <annadane> what would be the way to change the feh "background image"? if you zoom out on a picture you get this black and white checkered pattern, i'm wondering how one changes it
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1413 [22:37:06] <annadane> i guess i *could* just torture myself with the man page
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1421 [22:42:27] <karlpinc> annadane: man page says "-B" for simple adjustments... :)
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1425 [22:45:12] <annadane> (tbh it's not worth it, there are better image viewers)
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1428 [22:45:36] <annadane> "better" not as in feh sucks but there's better suited tools for different purposes
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1430 [22:50:17] <annadane> eom is black by default, which is nice
1431 [22:50:24] <annadane> checkered is just bad on the eyes
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1437 [22:55:33] <at0m> annadane: reminds me of pornview - which was totally family friendly btw. was small, easy keyboard navigation and did video, too. but somehome vanished from the repo's
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1441 [22:57:53] <at0m> last commit was 4-5y ago. maybe that's why eh
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1465 [23:28:03] <Gigglebyte> I got bumped. I am on a public library connection which periodically logs you out until you reapprove a terms and conditions screen.
1466 [23:28:31] <Gigglebyte> I attempted to install the Nvida drivers using backports and it looks like I have a big mess replaced-url
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1468 [23:28:41] <Gigglebyte> Lots of missing files and problems with dependencies.
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1471 [23:34:08] <Gigglebyte> There needs to be a back port for 398.82-notebook-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe This is assuming that I have the right file name. I ran some commands to get the Nvidia name, and then plugged the name into Nvidia's website. I came up with 398.82-notebook-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe Supposedly this is supposed to work with Debina Linux 64 bit.
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1475 [23:36:50] <Gigglebyte> Since it looks like the drivers have some long term problems then it is probably in my interest to manually shut the back lit off with a linix command and increase the screen brightness manually as well. I am going to take a break and followup with this later because I am being summoned by someone who wants me to pick up some freight.
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