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77 [01:04:44] <ntd> what's debians stance on what ub did with bionic and netplan?
78 [01:07:56] <ntd> is it like this is gonna get showed down out throats with -next or is this just canonical fucking around like they did with upstart?
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193 [02:45:28] <annadane> uh... k. help. i added export PATH=/home/annadane in my .bashrc and when that didn't work i tried nano .bashrc to try to remove it and now it's telling me nano command not found
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195 [02:46:15] <Resilience> hello, is still visudo in debian?
196 [02:46:29] <annadane> ,v visudo
197 [02:46:30] <judd> No package named 'visudo' was found in amd64.
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199 [02:47:13] <Unit193> `visudo` is in the 'sudo' package.
200 [02:47:17] <ChmEarl> annadane, sed -e '/annadane/d' .bashrc
201 [02:47:22] <Resilience> annadane, wow what's that ,v?
202 [02:47:26] <annadane> version
203 [02:47:34] <Unit193> annadane: You'll need to full paths to binaries.
204 [02:47:38] <annadane> sed command not found
205 [02:47:57] <Unit193> /bin/nano or so.
206 [02:48:17] <Unit193> You can also set the path in your current shell.
207 [02:48:29] <annadane> okay. for now, how to unscrew my shell?
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209 [02:49:09] <Unit193> export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
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211 [02:49:29] <annadane> ok, thanks.
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214 [02:49:55] <annadane> though i thought sbin wasn't meant to be used in path
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216 [02:50:21] <Unit193> That's an example until you fix .bashrc.
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218 [02:51:03] <annadane> ok, fixed. do i need to revert back to anything now?
219 [02:51:03] <Unit193> (And there's useful things that give me info when not run as root, so I have it.)
220 [02:51:14] <annadane> (sorry for being a colossal idiot, i swear i'm usually smarter than this)
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224 [02:53:50] <Resilience> mmm and wht when I type as root "visudo" I don't get it?
225 [02:54:38] <annadane> Unit193, in other words do i now take sbin out of my path?
226 [02:54:45] <annadane> now that i fixed .bashrc
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228 [02:55:27] <Unit193> annadane: Try `. ~/.bashrc`
229 [02:55:35] <annadane> with quotes?
230 [02:55:48] <Unit193> No.
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243 [03:12:48] <annadane> because export PATH=/home/annadane/firefox/firefox doesn't work
244 [03:14:19] <Unit193> ..You're overwriting that, you generally want to append to your path..
245 [03:14:35] <annadane> sorry?
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247 [03:16:57] <Unit193> When you set PATH, you generally want to append to the var rather than overwrite it. Eg, export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
248 [03:17:27] <Unit193> Note that the order is important, of course.
249 [03:19:12] <annadane> so export PATH=$HOME/firefox/firefox:$PATH
250 [03:20:22] <Unit193> Is $HOME/firefox/firefox a directory?
251 [03:21:01] <annadane> the full link to the executable is /home/annadane/firefox/firefox
252 [03:21:20] <annadane> /home/annadane/firefox is a directory which contains the executable firefox
253 [03:21:46] <Unit193> So that's a 'no'. Just put the directory in which you would like to search for binaries in the path field.
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257 [03:22:44] <annadane> oh. ok. export PATH=$/home/annadane/firefox:$PATH
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259 [03:23:05] <annadane> or i guess rhat's without the first $
260 [03:23:11] <annadane> that's*
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275 [03:43:49] <moses> has anyone had the issue where gdm3 hangs after login?
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412 [06:43:33] <symtex> anyone ever had an issue with networking/openvswitch services timing out after five minutes? how can I find the cause of the timeout?
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430 [07:01:42] <jim> hi. I'm looking to find out if there's a program for tape drives, that do things like advance or back up to the next block on the tape... anyone know what the name of this program is, and what package it's in?
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433 [07:08:37] <Gigglebyte> What would be the best practices to upload the System76 driver here? I lost my backlit control after changing distro's and movint o Debian. I need to shut my backlight off. replaced-url
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436 [07:10:28] <Gigglebyte> Do I do it with dpkg -i my.deb?
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439 [07:11:48] <jim> Gigglebyte, wait, don't install that
440 [07:11:57] <Gigglebyte> I don't think System76 ever bothered to submit its drivers to Debian.
441 [07:12:10] <jim> are you running debian now?
442 [07:12:38] <Gigglebyte> Yes, I have been running Debian for awhile and got rid of the mess that System76 left me. They have that POP with gnome, and everything in gnome is broken.
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445 [07:13:11] <jim> do you think they provided source for that driver?
446 [07:13:22] <Gigglebyte> However I need to shut off my backlit, remap my F keys, and do something to control screen brightness. All of these things stopped working after I installed Deb. However, the keyboard wouldn't work with gnome.
447 [07:13:48] <jim> back in a sec, irl stuff came up
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449 [07:15:23] <Gigglebyte> jim> Pretty much everything they have is at their site replaced-url
450 [07:15:24] <Gigglebyte> selling something a lot like a rebranded Cleavo.
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455 [07:21:19] <Gigglebyte> jim> I have gone ahead and sent an email to System76 requesting the provide the source code for these two files, and to also start submitting their .deb files to Debian so that others can see what they have done. They openly state they don't test with Debian, but that isn't an excuse. If they are going to make .deb, then they should submit to the repos for review.
456 [07:24:48] <Gigglebyte> jim> I need my beauty rest. Please memoserv me.
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498 [08:36:19] <dka> My friend gaved me access to is iCloud (apple inc) account to get he's mp3. I am on Debian stretch, how can I download a selection of folders. The UI doesn't permit to select them but doesn't offer any way to download them.
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501 [08:41:13] <klys> dka, the site might have some clues if you open up the browser console.
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505 [08:43:55] <dka> No
506 [08:43:56] <dka> they dont
507 [08:44:00] <dka> it seems impossible
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510 [08:45:18] <klys> could be.
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573 [09:52:00] <lovepopsickle> how does debian's core security compare to ubuntu because they use apparmor and other things. I was considering switching to debian but I don't about their core settings like how ubuntu hardens their distro
574 [09:52:35] <lovepopsickle> i know debian is like bare bones and they leave things up to the user but the core security I was not sure about
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576 [09:55:04] <jelly> lovepopsickle, apparmor is not enabled by default in debian 9 and the policies are partial, _might_ be enabled in debian 10. Some services have seccomp. Many typical services are built with hardened flags (PIE, et al), but not the whole distro. User namespace features are disabled by default.
577 [09:55:41] <jelly> so some things are better, some are worse
578 [09:56:03] <lovepopsickle> well is there a good guide that show how to harden debian?
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580 [09:57:26] <jelly> not one that I know of. That really depends on what you're running and what you consider the attack surface, how can there be a generic guide?
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582 [09:58:19] <jelly> security isn't a thing you configure once and leave be
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584 [09:58:49] <stemid> hey sorry if OT but I found a strange keepalived.conf and #keepalived is pretty sparsely populated. can anyone figure out why you'd setup a dummy0 interface with your vip on your backend real_servers if there is no keepalived instance on those real_servers? so 7 backend real_servers all have identical dummy0 interfaces with the vip. but the vip is configured on the load balancers. I don't see the point of
585 [09:58:55] <stemid> this but I'm not the one who wrote the config.
586 [09:59:26] <lovepopsickle> jelly i mean things like apparmor that probably provide more protection than harm.
587 [09:59:33] <stemid> and there are no services on the real_servers listening on the vip. they all use 0.0.0.0
588 [10:00:44] <lovepopsickle> jelly and things like certain firewall settings usually only help and hardly hurt so those type of things there usually isnt much reason not to have hardened unless the user has a specefic case of modifying
589 [10:02:21] <lovepopsickle> Jelly i guess I am referring to hardened settings that don't normally impact the user in a negative way that probably would only provide protection if needed.
590 [10:02:21] <ArahaelPi> lovepopsickle: Adding a firewall is barely hardening. Why not do that with selinux?
591 [10:02:54] <lovepopsickle> ArahaelPi, that was an example but I am saying certain setting usually only help
592 [10:03:32] <ArahaelPi> lovepopsickle: I don't see the point of a firewall running on an untrusted device.
593 [10:03:38] <lovepopsickle> I like ubuntu may they have an issue with bugs sometimes like with ubuntu 18,04
594 [10:04:04] <Fox> stemid: usually you do that when you're using direct routing (we're talking about load balancing am I right ?)
595 [10:04:09] <lovepopsickle> ArahaelPi, well you can use a firewall like a kill switch for a vpn that is one great security feature right there.
596 [10:04:20] <lovepopsickle> probably quite a number of other good things about a firewall
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598 [10:05:54] <ArahaelPi> lovepopsickle: Those are still pointless, in terms of local security. A VPN might be useful, however, if you don't trust your upstream internet connection to remain private.
599 [10:06:00] <kopper> lovepopsickle: There's CIS hardening guidelines for Debian 8 at least. I don't think they have published one for Stretch yet. Most of the stuff should be applicable though
600 [10:06:19] <kopper> replaced-url
601 [10:06:40] <lovepopsickle> ArahaelPi, pointless? I take that as humor :)
602 [10:06:58] <lovepopsickle> thanks kopper
603 [10:07:03] <ArahaelPi> lovepopsickle: Not humor.
604 [10:07:13] <lovepopsickle> should be if think its pointless
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606 [10:09:13] <throwthecheese> I installed the non-free Nvidia drivers and X won't startup!
607 [10:09:50] <throwthecheese> So far I've tried updating initramfs and using grub-doctor
608 [10:09:56] <omry> so uninstall them :)
609 [10:10:09] <throwthecheese> How can I get X to start?
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611 [10:11:17] <omry> dunno, did you check the log?
612 [10:11:38] <omry> /var/log/Xorg.log or something
613 [10:12:41] <diogenes_> throwthecheese, boot a live cd and look in /etc/X11/ for something like xorg.conf
614 [10:12:48] <diogenes_> if there is that file then rename it
615 [10:12:57] <omry> why live cd? his system boots.
616 [10:13:11] <diogenes_> he said: X won't startup!
617 [10:13:35] <omry> X is not the system
618 [10:13:40] <omry> it's just a component.
619 [10:13:48] <diogenes_> then he can do it from VT
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622 [10:15:03] <omry> yes, or a real terminal (ctrl alt F1).
623 [10:15:51] <omry> throwthecheese: do you mean that you installed the nvidia driver downloaded from nvidia's site or the apt package nvidia-driver ?
624 [10:17:18] <diogenes_> also if you installed the nvidia but you actually have optimus (intel+nvidia) then obviously it won't work like that, you gonna need bumblebee but i personally prefer nouveau
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635 [10:25:26] <stemid> Fox: yes load balancing web servers. I don't know exactly what direct routing means. I fail to see how the dummy ip would be routable at all. but I do believe I found a possible reason. the backend real_servers all had the dummy vip in their apache vhosts. so maybe that's why the person configuring this felt they needed the ip on a local interface and not just on the remote load balancer.
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637 [10:27:26] <stemid> Fox: oh I see now what DR is. it's an lb_kind mode in keepalived.
638 [10:27:36] <stemid> and yes it's setup as DR
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643 [10:30:57] <stemid> yeah I think it's for example if you have two ssl sites on a backend server and want one to be default you need to set the up to listen on an individual IP each. or you'll have two defaults on 0.0.0.0 which won't work. so that alone is a reason to have a dummy interface.
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646 [10:33:43] <Fox> the fact is that with direct routing the outgoing trafic won't go back to the Director but to a different router, if don't setup the VIP on this dummy interface the outgoing packets will all be going with the real servers private IP as source, and it won't work, the outgoing router will rejects that trafic
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648 [10:35:20] <Fox> I remember puting the VIP IP on 127.0.0.2 on the real servers when I used to do that
649 [10:41:18] <Fox> stemid: usually you setup direct routing when you have a lot of trafic (is used to distribute huge game patches that way) not because of SSL problems
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661 [10:53:02] <Psy-Q> are there benefits for desktop use out of getting the backports kernel on stretch? mostly thinking of gaming, but with the proprietary nvidia driver
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667 [10:54:24] <at0m> Psy-Q: if there's no definate reason "my network card is only supported in backported kernel" reason, why bother?
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669 [10:54:59] <at0m> dbl reason even
670 [10:55:04] <brimonk> Can someone help me figure out how to mount a disk image in rw mode? I keep trying to mount it, and it just keeps failing.
671 [10:56:20] <jelly> Psy-Q, sometimes certain workloads are slightly faster or slower on different kernels, try it and see
672 [10:56:48] <jelly> but that's usually single digit percent
673 [10:57:32] <jelly> and with newer kernel you usually need newer nvidia-kernel-dkms too
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677 [11:00:30] <stemid> Fox: ok that makes more sense. I suspected it had something to do with returning traffic when you mentioned routing.
678 [11:00:34] <stemid> Fox: thanks
679 [11:00:54] <Fox> stemid: yaw
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681 [11:03:45] <lovepopsickle> isn't ubuntu unstable usually recommded for desktops since stable takes a long time to come out?
682 [11:04:22] <hoodedfigure> Hello. I installed intel-microcode on my debian system but there is no "microcode updated early to" in my kernel log
683 [11:04:56] <lovepopsickle> and does using a whole ubuntu home and transfering it over to debian could cause any problems?
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685 [11:06:58] <lovepopsickle> and or the etc folder?
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687 [11:09:02] <Psy-Q> jelly: yeah, i need to get the latest nvidia stuff from nvidia anyway because of dxvk/vulkan
688 [11:09:09] <Psy-Q> thanks, i think i won't bother, it runs fine now :)
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701 [11:18:27] <jelly> hoodedfigure, which cpu do you have and which version of intel-microcode is installed?
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704 [11:18:59] <hoodedfigure> intel-microcode 3.20180703.2 on Pentium J3710
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708 [11:21:31] <hoodedfigure> jelly, do you think I need to wait for version 20180807?
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713 [11:22:58] <pragomer> any idea why TMUX totally ignores my config file under /home/myuser/.tmux.conf ??
714 [11:24:17] <epicmetal> pragomer: perhaps you haven't actually restarted tmux, just reconnected
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716 [11:25:17] <pragomer> do I "restart" tmux when quitting all terminals and then open it again?
717 [11:25:19] <jelly> hoodedfigure, maybe, what does "iucode_tool -Sl -tr /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)" say?
718 [11:25:51] <jelly> !paste
719 [11:25:51] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
720 [11:26:59] <epicmetal> pragomer: perhaps tmux kill-server
721 [11:27:06] <epicmetal> pragomer: then pgrep tmux to be sure
722 [11:27:36] <pragomer> will try that, thanks
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724 [11:28:25] <hoodedfigure> jelly, I see. It reports "no microcodes found in data file, skipping..."
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726 [11:29:55] <hoodedfigure> does that mean I need to wait or does it indicate another problem?
727 [11:30:15] <at0m> hi, spending more time editing .xml lately, I wonder if there's dedicated editors for xml. say, more suitable than regular text editors..
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730 [11:31:51] <jelly> hoodedfigure, I think it means there was no microcode for your cpu last time that initrd was generated, and installation of intel-microcode triggers a rebuild AFAIK
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737 [11:33:26] <hoodedfigure> jelly, yes, I just triggered that rebuild by reinstalling intel-microcode package
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739 [11:33:58] <hoodedfigure> so I need to pull it from unstable as soon as the update is ready
740 [11:34:11] <jelly> or download from intel
741 [11:34:32] <jelly> or wait for it to appear in stretch-backports
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744 [11:35:48] <jelly> hoodedfigure, did iucode say anything else?
745 [11:36:15] <hoodedfigure> jelly, it just reported a processor signature
746 [11:36:35] <jelly> and what was it?
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748 [11:37:53] <jelly> if you know that you can look at releasenotes in intel's microcode tarball and see if there's a new one
749 [11:37:56] <hoodedfigure> Is that a unique identifier? I don't know if I should post that
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751 [11:38:45] <jelly> no, it's uniquely identifying all Pentium J3710 CPUs
752 [11:39:32] <hoodedfigure> jelly, system has processor(s) with signature 0x000406c4
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754 [11:40:29] <jaggz> is installing wacomtablet from oldstable an okay thing to try?
755 [11:40:35] <jaggz> How would I go about doing it? replaced-url
756 [11:41:48] <hoodedfigure> jelly, is there an easy way to build the debian package intel-microcode with the new upstream data from intel?
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760 [11:45:50] <hoodedfigure> I'm going through the handbook now: replaced-url
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774 [11:57:27] <jaggz> bleh.. tablet is being recognized as a joystick
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780 [12:01:16] <hoodedfigure> jelly, do you know how the signatur list 'cpu-signatures.txt' is generated?
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782 [12:01:34] <at0m> jaggz: do you have xserver-xorg-input-wacom libwacom etc?
783 [12:02:20] <jaggz> at0m, yessir, both installed
784 [12:02:30] <BenNZ> i feel there is a packaging problem here replaced-url
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786 [12:04:21] <themill> BenNZ: should be ok
787 [12:04:54] <BenNZ> themill: so its normal for a package to recommend a package it breaks and replaces
788 [12:05:10] <BenNZ> themill: also said package depends on this one
789 [12:05:35] <themill> these are versioned relatioships
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791 [12:06:29] <themill> ,breaks hexchat-common
792 [12:06:31] <judd> Package hexchat-common in stretch/amd64 -- breaks: hexchat (<< 2.12.3-1~).
793 [12:06:37] <themill> ,v hexchat --release stretch
794 [12:06:38] <judd> Package: hexchat on amd64 -- stretch: 2.12.4-3
795 [12:06:57] <BenNZ> ok i thought it would output of version number
796 [12:07:08] <themill> which it?
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798 [12:07:42] <themill> breaks+replaces is used to move files from one package to another
799 [12:08:45] <themill> policy §7.3, for reference: replaced-url
800 [12:10:06] <jaggz> wow.. computer just completely locked up..
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806 [12:13:24] <qwxlea> is it possible with tar to not really make a tar archive, just show what it would do? tar -cf foo.tar --NOT-REALLY /etc/
807 [12:14:01] <lovepopsickle> you could try flatpak ..hexchat is on taht
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811 [12:21:12] <dka> I am looking for a google drive linux client that work on debian stretch.
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814 [12:28:56] <hoodedfigure> jelly, I think there actually is no microcode update for my processor, yet. I stole the latest microcode bundle from Arch Linux but iucode_tool just says: "selected microcodes:" (void)
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816 [12:33:16] <hoodedfigure> Good bye
817 [12:33:29] <hoodedfigure> jelly, thanks for your help
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843 [12:53:01] <debron> guys, im trying to force my logrotate.d/custom.conf file to run, with comman: logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/custom.conf . Id doesnt show in terminal any error, it echoes "moving file.log to file.log.1" and even "compressing gzip..."
844 [12:53:14] <debron> but when i list directory log files , no changes has been made
845 [12:53:28] <debron> If at least i had an error message... but its not
846 [12:53:36] <debron> dont know how to continue
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849 [12:54:55] <debron> here is my conf file : replaced-url
850 [12:55:29] <debron> the log names inside that dir are : feature_2018-08-8.log
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852 [12:55:33] <debron> and so on
853 [12:55:51] <debron> sorry: feature_2018-08-08.log (for example)
854 [12:57:56] <kale> Hi, i would like to compile som c++17, and need gcc-7 for that. how do i find out in which version that is?
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856 [13:00:12] <Haohmaru> ,v gcc
857 [13:00:13] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.1.0-1; sid: 4:8.1.0-1
858 [13:00:28] <kale> Haohmaru: thanks
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861 [13:02:20] <jelly> ,v g++-7
862 [13:02:21] <judd> Package: g++-7 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-27; sid: 7.3.0-27
863 [13:02:52] <kale> sounds good, i'm pulling it in from buster, lets see if i gat that new "filesystem" stuff.
864 [13:03:35] <Haohmaru> oh, yeah.. filesystem, i was recently trying to use it
865 [13:04:11] <Haohmaru> don't remember if it was still in "experimental" tho
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870 [13:04:59] <jelly> kale, do NOT "pull" packages from a newer release, that is likely to break your installation. If you need something from buster, install buster (in a chroot, or the whole system)
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872 [13:05:13] <kale> jelly: its a vm, i dont care
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874 [13:05:23] <jelly> then upgrade the whole vm to buster
875 [13:05:25] <Haohmaru> naughty
876 [13:05:57] <kale> jelly: yeah considered that, just do not have the time right now
877 [13:06:32] <jelly> debootstrap takes like 2-3 minutes.
878 [13:06:33] <elbananas> try clang 6 from backports
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880 [13:06:51] <elbananas> or the upstream binaries in /opt
881 [13:07:10] <elbananas> should support c++17, though it links against an old libstdc++
882 [13:07:46] <jelly> I thought clang had its own libstdc++ ?
883 [13:08:15] <elbananas> yeah, libc++. shouldn't be heard to enable it
884 [13:08:21] <elbananas> hard also
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887 [13:09:47] <elbananas> replaced-url
888 [13:10:03] <elbananas> >Libc++ provides the implementation of the filesystem library in a separate library. Users of <filesystem> and <experimental/filesystem> are required to link -lc++fs.
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891 [13:14:38] <RespectTM> hello
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896 [13:19:45] <lavenders> on ssl -L forwarding i get
897 [13:19:48] <lavenders> Bad local forwarding specification '127.0.0.1:6379'
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899 [13:20:14] <lavenders> ssh -L 127.0.0.1:6379 user@serverip:6379; i cannot decipher the man
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901 [13:21:17] <searedvandal> ssh -L 6379:127.0.0.1:6379 user@serverip
902 [13:21:20] <lavenders> i try to forward localport 6379 redis to the same port on the server for secure redis connection
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905 [13:22:03] <lavenders> ssh: Could not resolve hostname serverip:6379: Name or service not known
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908 [13:22:37] <lavenders> oh mom
909 [13:23:50] <lavenders> i am logged in on server, but isnt this supposed to run in background, i have $ shell on server open now
910 [13:25:51] <lavenders> wow i am happy :)
911 [13:25:58] <lavenders> all good
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914 [13:29:09] <RespectTM> well, i ran into problems with ssh
915 [13:29:19] <RespectTM> No supported authentication methods available [preauth]
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917 [13:35:01] <lavenders> should i use ServerAliveInterval or clientaliveinterval to keep the connection open, what is reliable, id rather configure once
918 [13:35:13] <lavenders> so set clientaliveinterval on server side config?
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930 [13:47:42] <lavenders> replaced-url
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953 [14:13:10] <debron> guys, how to apply maxage in logrotate, to the compressed files?
954 [14:13:22] <debron> i want oldest compressed files to be deleted
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956 [14:14:00] <debron> if i run it daily, it will not consider 7 day old log files, because they were already compressed 6 days ago, and they are not threated as *.log anymore
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958 [14:14:59] <throwthecheese> I managed to install the official NVidia driver
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960 [14:16:02] <throwthecheese> The only thing that doesn't work is installing with DKMS, otherwise there is no forced CMD mode, no glitched render viewport in Blender Internal
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1166 [17:33:47] <jubo2> Hello and BIG Thanks Thanks Thanks for the awesome (server) OS
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1170 [17:35:31] <jubo2> I got 2 Debian 8 VPS'es that are running just fine. What are the advantages to upgrading to Debian 9 and is there a possibility of problems doing the upgrade. Server #1 is just for verifying and storing backups so no public services there. Server #2 hosts GNU Mediagoblin, GNU social, diaspora*, Hubzilla and Friendica
1171 [17:36:07] <greycat> The advantage is continued security coverage past jessie's end of life, whenever that will be (not yet).
1172 [17:36:29] <Brigo> newer programs if needed.
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1174 [17:37:38] <greycat> There is always a possibility of an upgrade breaking something (see the release notes, etc.), but server upgrades from 8 to 9 have generally been smooth.
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1176 [17:37:48] <greycat> Desktop/laptop upgrades from 8 to 9, less smooth.
1177 [17:39:20] <Brigo> i would expect with debian 9.5 most of the upgrading problems solved.
1178 [17:39:38] <somiaj> jessie's end of life I thought already hit, jessie is in lts now, which is limited support. But yes support (and maybe software versions) will be the difference.
1179 [17:39:48] <greycat> replaced-url
1180 [17:40:01] <greycat> For me, "end of life" means end of LTS.
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1182 [17:40:22] <somiaj> though now there is the extneded lts, some things take a long time to die..
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1187 [17:41:48] <RoyK> iirc they still run Squeeze on ISS ;)
1188 [17:41:57] <RoyK> may have upgraded since then, though
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1191 [17:44:45] <somiaj> well are the squeeze machines on the ISS connected to the internet?
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1193 [17:44:56] <somiaj> I'm sure old releses work just fine, if you don't mind security holes
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1196 [17:45:59] <greycat> At some point I either need to roll the dice on a jessie-with-forced-sysvinit upgrade on an OpenVZ node that cannot run systemd, or move all my stuff to a whole new provider.
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1199 [17:46:55] <RoyK> greycat: "that cannot run systemd"?
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1201 [17:47:18] <somiaj> RoyK: sounds like a shared kernel on an older host
1202 [17:47:18] <greycat> It has a 2.6 kernel.
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1204 [17:47:30] <RoyK> ouch :)
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1206 [17:47:58] <RoyK> how is systemd related to the kernel version?
1207 [17:48:03] <RoyK> just curious
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1209 [17:48:17] <somiaj> RoyK: systemd requires features not found in older kernels
1210 [17:48:25] <RoyK> which ones?
1211 [17:48:26] <somiaj> sounds like a centos6 host, there are lots of those still out there running 2.6
1212 [17:48:39] <somiaj> I think cgroups is one, unsure of others
1213 [17:48:54] <greycat> Linux remote 2.6.32-042stab127.2 #1 SMP Thu Jan 4 16:41:44 MSK 2018 i686 GNU/Linux
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1215 [17:49:32] <mason> Hm, not out of the box CentOS.
1216 [17:49:36] <somiaj> on my centos6 machine I have 2.6.32-754.2.1.el6.x86_64
1217 [17:49:48] <somiaj> but that kernel might be modified for openvz
1218 [17:50:05] <greycat> The "stab" is a dead giveaway for OpenVZ in my experience.
1219 [17:50:44] <RoyK> virt-what should tell how the machine is virtualised
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1221 [17:51:30] <greycat> ,file bin/virt-what
1222 [17:51:34] <judd> Search for bin/virt-what in stretch/amd64: virt-what: usr/sbin/virt-what
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1224 [17:53:05] <greycat> ,file bin/virt-what --release wheezy
1225 [17:53:08] <judd> Search for bin/virt-what in wheezy/amd64: virt-what: usr/sbin/virt-what
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1230 [17:54:52] <greycat> greg@remote:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/virt-what
1231 [17:54:52] <greycat> openvz
1232 [17:54:57] <greycat> ... well, I already knew that.
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1260 [18:10:53] <Delta706> Is there a way to configure xfce so that I get a desktop which is both larger and panning?
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1266 [18:13:54] <Tom-_> Delta706, you can set a Virtual desktop size in the Xorg config, somehow, if you have enough VRAM for it (which you should)
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1268 [18:14:08] <Tom-_> that would be common to all window managers
1269 [18:14:40] <Tom-_> you'll have to do a web search on it i think
1270 [18:14:42] <Tom-_> !xorg
1271 [18:14:42] <dpkg> X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. replaced-url
1272 [18:14:49] <Tom-_> !xorg config
1273 [18:14:49] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
1274 [18:15:19] <Tom-_> maybe it can also be done with Xorg command line options
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1276 [18:15:38] <Delta706> Tom: Are you speaking from experience?
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1278 [18:16:39] <MalcolmRose> Hey guys. Anybody want to be a total hero and help me resolve a bad situation? I have this gaming tournament I'm supposed to stream and participate in in less than three hours and somehow my Debian install has borked up everything that makes my streaming and screen recording software work (libqt5 etc)
1279 [18:17:48] <NetTerminalGene> ,v kernel
1280 [18:17:49] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
1281 [18:17:55] <greycat> ,kernels
1282 [18:17:56] <NetTerminalGene> ,v linux
1283 [18:17:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1284 [18:17:58] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1285 [18:17:59] <judd> No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
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1288 [18:19:55] <MalcolmRose> The issue is that it can't find libQt5Core.so.5, I'm going to try to paste some output here but I don't know if it'll format well
1289 [18:20:10] <MalcolmRose> Basically I'm trying to launch simplescreenrecorder from the simplescreenrecorder package but ldd isn't finding the library
1290 [18:20:23] <NetTerminalGene> i am getting low fps with 4.9 kernel in tupertux kart game on i5 7400 cpu. can updating kernel fix that?
1291 [18:20:23] <greycat> ,file libQt5Core.so.5
1292 [18:20:26] <judd> Search for libQt5Core.so.5 in stretch/amd64: libqt5core5a: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
1293 [18:20:33] <MalcolmRose> I've tried purging libqt5core5a and reinstalling
1294 [18:20:53] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: more likely you want to look at video drivers / firmware
1295 [18:21:16] <MalcolmRose> replaced-url
1296 [18:21:23] <NetTerminalGene> greycat, do you mean intel gpu firmware?
1297 [18:21:29] <Brigo> MalcolmRose, are you using stable?
1298 [18:21:31] <NetTerminalGene> it is optional
1299 [18:21:40] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: if that's what your GPU is, yes, you probably need a non-free firmware package
1300 [18:21:55] <NetTerminalGene> :/
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1302 [18:22:16] <MalcolmRose> Brigo: testing
1303 [18:22:18] <Tom-_> Delta706, yes, i have used the virtual desktop feature in X before, but it was a very long time ago
1304 [18:22:20] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" is a good starting point for this
1305 [18:22:26] <MalcolmRose> I'd use stable but it's often heavily behind
1306 [18:22:26] <Brigo> ,v simplescreenrecorder
1307 [18:22:27] <judd> Package: simplescreenrecorder on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.8-2; buster: 0.3.11-1+b1; sid: 0.3.11-1+b1
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1309 [18:23:06] <Brigo> MalcolmRose, not that much it looks like.
1310 [18:23:22] <MalcolmRose> 0.3.11-1 is indeed the one I have
1311 [18:23:25] <Brigo> MalcolmRose, does the package simplescreenrecorder install with problems or warnings?
1312 [18:23:37] <Delta706> Tom: I tried using xrandr but hit problems
1313 [18:23:46] <MalcolmRose> No warnings from apt-get install simplescreenrecorder, no
1314 [18:25:03] <somiaj> MalcolmRose: are you mixxing stable and testing/unstable?
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1317 [18:25:40] <somiaj> oh it was i'd use stable, not that you do
1318 [18:25:54] <MalcolmRose> I don't think so, but it's been awhile since I've messed with my /etc/sources or whatever, let me check
1319 [18:26:23] <MalcolmRose> I don't see "stable" anywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list so I assume no
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1321 [18:27:02] <annadane> do you see stretch?
1322 [18:27:26] <MalcolmRose> no
1323 [18:27:53] <annadane> for testing you may have better luck asking in #debian-next in irc.oftc.net unless people can answer it in here
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1325 [18:28:14] <MalcolmRose> [12:28] == #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
1326 [18:28:20] <annadane> irc.oftc.net
1327 [18:28:26] <MalcolmRose> Oh
1328 [18:28:31] <MalcolmRose> Sorry
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1330 [18:29:54] <jubo2> Ok.. Thanks for info greycatand Brigo
1331 [18:30:26] <Brigo> jubo2, np
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1333 [18:30:43] <Brigo> MalcolmRose, you have to use the channel in oftc network.
1334 [18:31:06] <Brigo> annadane, somiaj what is the program for checking a program files access?
1335 [18:31:11] <MalcolmRose> Yes I am logging in there now
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1338 [18:31:59] <somiaj> Brigo: what do you ean by files access? like what files it links against?
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1340 [18:32:21] <Brigo> no, what it reads and writes.
1341 [18:32:55] <somiaj> lsof lists open files, wonder if you can restrict it to only files opened by a certain pid
1342 [18:33:35] <Brigo> strace
1343 [18:34:29] <Brigo> system call tracer, not just filesystem.
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1345 [18:37:06] <greycat> lsof shows current state; strace shows each system call as it happens
1346 [18:37:42] <RoyK> Brigo: see -p s in the lsof manual
1347 [18:38:11] <Brigo> i think strace is suits beetter this problem.
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1349 [18:38:57] <RoyK> Brigo: depends what you need ;)
1350 [18:39:24] <RoyK> lsof -p <pid> works well, though, but if it's something like a config file only opened and read briefly, lsof won't help
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1352 [18:39:58] <Brigo> RoyK, a program can't find a library, i want to know where it is searching for.
1353 [18:40:11] <RoyK> ldd <program>
1354 [18:40:15] <RoyK> it should tell
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1358 [18:42:14] <RoyK> Brigo: what sort of software is this?
1359 [18:42:40] <Brigo> RoyK, simplescreenrecorder, from testing
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1385 [19:03:36] <annadane> does needrestart work recursively? for instance if i did an upgrade which required a reboot of services, installed needrestart, would it detect that? i feel like no, it only works going forward
1386 [19:04:32] <disconnect_me> Hi :) anyone managed to work minitube on debian ???
1387 [19:05:17] <annadane> disconnect_me, it's in stretch, do you have a specific question?
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1394 [19:08:18] <disconnect_me> I installed it but it doesn't work some how ??? I'm not sure if I need google api to get it work so what's your experience ? Did you get it work out of the box ? or you need it set it up some how ?
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1396 [19:09:02] <annadane> did you try checking /usr/share/doc/minitube?
1397 [19:09:15] <annadane> otherwise, try launching it from the terminal, see if it gives you any messages
1398 [19:09:28] <annadane> otherwise "doesn't work" is a bit vague
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1402 [19:12:53] <disconnect_me> annadane: ok thanks for you advice I'll try it again from terminal and see what happens
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1404 [19:13:20] <annadane> if you're not sure what the messages mean, paste to paste.debian.net (and not to the channel, because it's spam and the bot will probably kick you)
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1407 [19:14:10] <disconnect_me> annadane: ok cheers
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1411 [19:16:13] <johnfg> hi folks
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1413 [19:18:13] <johnfg> The font in gnome terminal is presenting a few problems. The only thing changed on the terminal is that I have it opening at a bigger size.
1414 [19:19:29] <johnfg> What's happening is that lowercase c, is lacking it's complete top.
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1417 [19:20:04] <johnfg> However, just now, in changing from one tab to another, appearance is back to normal (I hadn't noticed this before).
1418 [19:20:10] <johnfg> Any idea what's happening?
1419 [19:22:19] <abrotman> I blame nVidia
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1480 [20:02:10] <sleepster> I am on stretchie and would like to go to "testing". I am a bit confused about how to convert it to "testing". I read this "replaced-url
1481 [20:02:14] <sleepster> is that correct?
1482 [20:02:47] <dvs> !iyhtays sleepster
1483 [20:02:47] <dpkg> sleepster: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't.
1484 [20:03:04] <annadane> that's correct but why do you want testing? it can break and you can't downgrade
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1486 [20:03:20] <sleepster> annadane: to help test :)
1487 [20:03:27] <annadane> that's fair enough, then
1488 [20:03:28] <sleepster> to do my part
1489 [20:03:52] <sleepster> lines two and three in the document are a bit confusing : Remove or comment out your stable security updates line(s) (anything with security.debian.org in it).
1490 [20:03:56] <sleepster> I left them in
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1492 [20:04:04] <sleepster> but not sure if I should remove them
1493 [20:04:04] <annadane> i think that's just wrong
1494 [20:04:26] <greycat> How is that confusing?
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1496 [20:04:47] <sleepster> greycat: I guess I would I imagine that I should keep the security updates
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1498 [20:05:22] <greycat> Why do you think that keeping stable's security.debian.org lines would actually WORK if you are not running stable?
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1500 [20:05:24] <sleepster> From the document, I should have commented out "deb replaced-url
1501 [20:05:50] <annadane> the context is "comment out security lines" as opposed to "change the security lines to testing"
1502 [20:06:09] <sleepster> yeah, if it said "change", then that would make sense
1503 [20:06:43] <annadane> AFAIK (i've never actually run testing) it really is just as simple as changing all the stable/stretch to testing
1504 [20:06:51] <annadane> the "comment out those lines" i think is wrong
1505 [20:07:08] <greycat> Are you saying there are testing sections on security.debian.org?
1506 [20:07:30] <annadane> testing gets support from the security team, it's only sid that doesn't
1507 [20:08:12] <annadane> i'm just going to change that
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1509 [20:08:36] <sleepster> I guess that was my first bug I found
1510 [20:08:39] <sleepster> hah
1511 [20:08:48] <greycat> I see nothing on replaced-url
1512 [20:08:51] <sleepster> glad to have contributed
1513 [20:09:01] <rwp> In the grand scheme of things that is new I think with Jessie. Prior to that there was no security available for testing.
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1515 [20:09:32] <annadane> i'm like 99% sure if you take a stable sources.list, change everything to testing, and apt update, it will not give you "this is an invalid repository" message
1516 [20:09:48] <sleepster> annadane: yeah, that's what I did and it works
1517 [20:09:48] <annadane> if you try that with sid it will yell at you so it's definitely built in
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1519 [20:10:06] <sleepster> doing an apt-get update with the line "deb replaced-url
1520 [20:10:06] <annadane> so the wiki is wrong and the security faq is also wrong
1521 [20:10:07] <rwp> Personally I would never use "stable" or "testing" in a sources.list file but would only use the named release.
1522 [20:10:09] <sleepster> seems to work fine
1523 [20:10:28] <annadane> well, right. usual disclaimers of tracking release names vs code names
1524 [20:10:35] <rwp> Because when a release rotates then you automatically drag yourself onto the next release. Which is often not as automatic as one would like.
1525 [20:10:42] <greycat> The wiki was written to align with the security FAQ which says there is no security in testing.
1526 [20:11:13] <annadane> let me just nip over to #debian-security and ask
1527 [20:12:06] <greycat> Somewhere in the back of my mind is the notion that "security in testing" has been temporarily available during freezes at specific times in the past, but is not a standard feature. I could be mis-remembering.
1528 [20:12:33] <mason> I don't remember that ever being the case, but I've been disconnected the last few years.
1529 [20:13:08] <rwp> replaced-url
1530 [20:13:32] <mason> Or I could be wrong. :P
1531 [20:13:49] <mason> Is that still the case though? That's 13 years ago.
1532 [20:14:03] <rwp> I don't know... I have been disconnected for a while too.
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1534 [20:14:23] <greycat> mason: it links to an alioth-lists page which currently says "No such list secure-testing-announce"
1535 [20:14:42] <greycat> It also has very specific deb lines that are not on security.debian.org.
1536 [20:15:28] <mason> hrm
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1538 [20:16:53] <annadane> replaced-url
1539 [20:17:05] <annadane> "Security for testing benefits from the security efforts of the entire project for unstable. However, there is a minimum two-day migration delay, and sometimes security fixes can be held up by transitions. The Security Team helps to move along those transitions holding back important security uploads, but this is not always possible and delays may occur."
1540 [20:17:19] <annadane> that to me, says the wiki is wrong
1541 [20:17:58] <greycat> What do you think that paragraph says? I do NOT see "you can put deb security testing in sources.list". Quite the opposite.
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1544 [20:18:18] <annadane> however i'm now being told that while it's a valid entry it's likely there's never anything there
1545 [20:18:20] <greycat> What I see is "security updates may trickle into testing eventually".
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1547 [20:18:30] <greycat> annadane: that makes sense
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1549 [20:18:46] <annadane> well, whayever. i'll assume the wiki is correct then
1550 [20:18:48] <rwp> Hmm... The replaced-url
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1553 [20:19:21] <annadane> well, they left. i was going to say, "it's fine to leave it in"
1554 [20:19:25] <annadane> it doesn't *hurt* anything
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1557 [20:22:11] <rwp> When I add deb replaced-url
1558 [20:22:35] <diogenes_> Hello guys, is debian he or she? for instance if someone would like to write an article, should he use the formula "debian is the father of the most popular distribution" or "debian is the mother of the most ......"
1559 [20:22:38] <rwp> The InRelease is dated currently though. So although it is empty at the moment it could be used as packages pass through and then be emptied.
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1562 [20:23:21] <annadane> diogenes_, that's entirely arbitrary
1563 [20:23:33] <moviuro> Hi, just wanted to point out that replaced-url
1564 [20:23:34] <at0m> diogenes_: debian comes from Deborah and Ian. Ian started off this project, she was his gf
1565 [20:23:35] <moviuro> I'm all ears
1566 [20:23:37] <greycat> you could use gender-neutral words like parent instead
1567 [20:23:43] <annadane> debian is a portmenteau of ian murdock (creator of debian) and his girlfriend at the time deborah
1568 [20:23:44] <rwp> diogenes_, Probably gender neutral would be best. It has no gender.
1569 [20:24:04] <diogenes_> oh ok i see, thanks
1570 [20:24:26] <MalcolmRose> that is the worst origin story for a name that I've ever heard
1571 [20:24:39] <muffindrake> Unless you're like to create an OC for debian, but then you'd be running into trademarking issues
1572 [20:24:42] <rwp> Debian is a community of thousands of people.
1573 [20:24:43] <annadane> i think Crowded House is worse
1574 [20:24:58] <muffindrake> you'd like*
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1577 [20:28:19] <annadane> tl;dr: don't use testing? *shrug*
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1594 [20:55:04] <DammitJim> can I have 2 ssh keys for the same user?
1595 [20:55:21] <DammitJim> so, on server A, I have a private key and I ssh-copy-id it to server X
1596 [20:55:33] <DammitJim> then I have server B with a different private key and I ssh-copy-id it to server X
1597 [20:55:48] <RoyK> diogenes_: imho Debian is a "thing" and thus neuter, so neither male nor female
1598 [20:55:53] <DammitJim> I'm getting a: sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation :(
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1600 [20:56:39] <greycat> You can have multiple keys, but usually this is not what you want.
1601 [20:56:44] <RoyK> diogenes_: I have several keys on serveral servers - shouldn't be an issue
1602 [20:57:05] <RoyK> greycat: that depends on how you want to level access
1603 [20:57:18] * greycat reads the rest of the question... oh, you meant for the same target account *on the server*? Yes, that happens all the time.
1604 [20:58:02] <annadane> wrong highlight, roy :)
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1608 [21:01:01] <greycat> If for some reason the two separate clients each have separate keys, you just need to put both (public) keys into the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the server.
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1610 [21:04:01] <DammitJim> thanks guys
1611 [21:04:08] <DammitJim> it seems to be some kinda problem with gnome keyring
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1636 [21:26:35] <tha_14> Note, selecting 'firmware-misc-nonfree' instead of 'firmware-ralink'
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1650 [21:40:27] <tha_14> Note, selecting 'firmware-misc-nonfree' instead of 'firmware-ralink'
1651 [21:40:38] <tha_14> Anyone knows how I can force install firmware-ralink?
1652 [21:41:19] <greycat> What release of Debian?
1653 [21:41:32] <tha_14> stretch
1654 [21:41:38] <greycat> stretch doesn't have that package.
1655 [21:41:41] <greycat> ,v firmware-ralink
1656 [21:41:43] <judd> Package: firmware-ralink on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43
1657 [21:41:55] <tha_14> hmm
1658 [21:42:07] <tha_14> any ideas? I am stuck with the wrong firmware
1659 [21:42:12] <greycat> "apt-cache show firmware-misc-nonfree" shows me several Ralink lines.
1660 [21:42:18] <greycat> why do you think it's wrong?
1661 [21:43:34] <tha_14> I get the "warning unsupported eeprom version 0d" on RT2870
1662 [21:43:57] <tha_14> I can't remember how I fixed it back in jessie
1663 [21:44:00] <greycat> and you think that the OLDER firmware from jessie will work better?
1664 [21:44:14] <tha_14> No, I'm just asking
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1668 [21:45:53] <greycat> replaced-url
1669 [21:46:04] <gchristensen> Hi, does Debian provide images suitable for running directly in vbox or qemu?
1670 [21:46:16] <diogenes_> Fresh debian 9 stable installation, can't run anything with sudo, <username> is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. but i can run with su, so what's the deal? is it by default this behavior or i misconfigured something during the installation?
1671 [21:46:46] <greycat> diogenes_: add yourself to the 'sudo' group to get full access, or configure sudoers if you only want partial access
1672 [21:47:31] <diogenes_> greycat, i'm comfortable with su too but i wanted to know if that is by default or it'm my fault
1673 [21:48:10] <greycat> Debian does not install sudo by default, unless you give a blank root password during the install, in which case it installs sudo AND adds your the user account that you created during installation to the 'sudo' group.
1674 [21:48:48] <at0m> diogenes_: sudo is nice if a bunch of different people work on the same machine, but you don't want to give out root pass to all. then with sudo you can give more specific access to what would otherwise require root or some other user
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1678 [21:50:00] <diogenes_> greycat, at0m, roger that thanks, i'm just a starter with debian so far i've got not that much knowledge of how it works.
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1680 [21:50:51] <torbo> If I add the Jessie contrib repository (deb replaced-url
1681 [21:51:29] <torbo> ?
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1683 [21:52:34] <greycat> are you currently on jessie?
1684 [21:52:56] <torbo> greycat: I'm running it inside of a Docker container.
1685 [21:53:04] <greycat> running WHAT
1686 [21:53:40] <torbo> It's for work, I prefer bare metal.
1687 [21:53:53] <greycat> what are you running inside this Docker container?
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1691 [21:54:09] <fpat> thats proof: containers like docker dont update easily :P
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1697 [21:55:59] <torbo> I'm running an image of Debian Jessie.
1698 [21:56:33] <greycat> then you don't add a second jessie source which has only contrib; you simply add "contrib" to the existing jessie source, so that it says "main contrib" instead of just "main"
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1700 [21:56:59] <greycat> and then apt-get update
1701 [21:57:22] <torbo> Thank you so much, greycat!
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1706 [22:02:39] <tha_14> greycat, thanks for steering me away from those packages, I had to download a modified version of the driver and compile it. Now it works :)
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1708 [22:04:11] <Something3> Hey good for you, tha_14!
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1766 [22:52:09] <simbalion> Hi, following a hung upgrade, I'm being dumped at a initramfs prompt and my desktop can't find my primary disk. Also can't seem to enable my usb (no keyboard), can anyone tell me the best approach to fix this? Do I need to use a liveboot or can I do something at grub?
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1774 [23:01:55] <RoyK> simbalion: boot from an iso and select "rescue" - if that doesn't help, try replaced-url
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1778 [23:06:39] <simbalion> RoyK: yup im downloading a debian live install for my usb stick right now
1779 [23:06:44] <simbalion> should be an easy fix
1780 [23:07:02] <simbalion> I've got a really nice thinkpad so fixing my desktop wasn't a high priority
1781 [23:07:07] <RoyK> hopefully - replaced-url
1782 [23:07:16] <simbalion> X1 Carbon, if anyone's curious
1783 [23:07:36] <simbalion> it's actually much better than my desktop in every way except storage and gpu lol
1784 [23:08:29] <simbalion> and since I'm talking about it, if you like ultrabooks, it's probably the best
1785 [23:08:49] <simbalion> I've heard folks brag about the XPS13 but I'd take Thinkpad over any of DELLs crap any day of the week
1786 [23:09:06] <simbalion> and it's sooooo light
1787 [23:09:12] <simbalion> I think I've had cell phones that weigh more
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1789 [23:10:25] <RoyK> probably not the latest 10+ years, though
1790 [23:10:29] <RoyK> but looks good
1791 [23:10:34] <RoyK> and expensive ;)
1792 [23:11:00] <simbalion> I got it for like $600 off sticker during a sale in may
1793 [23:11:38] <simbalion> it's the first new laptop I've ever bought too, usually I had hand-me-downs or used ones from ebay
1794 [23:11:46] <simbalion> in fact I still have my W400 that this replaced
1795 [23:11:55] <simbalion> it works well most of the time
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1802 [23:16:53] <karlpinc> simbalion: Hung in initramfs is not something that's supposed to happen. What version of debian is this?
1803 [23:17:43] <simbalion> karlpinc: stable but with nvidia-driver from backports/testing which I think is the issue
1804 [23:18:17] <simbalion> It was from backports and apt-get upgrade wanted to install it again, I think it installed testing, or perhaps it downgraded to stable but that's not supposed to happen right?
1805 [23:18:22] <simbalion> anyway I think nvidia broke it
1806 [23:18:27] <simbalion> cause that's the sort of crap nvidia does
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1818 [23:25:36] <RoyK> karlpinc: it sometimes happens if n upgrade is interrupted - seent it myself
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1828 [23:35:48] <simbalion> I've got a working busybox prompt now, but I'm not sure how to repair the lvm, can anyone offer some guidance?
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1837 [23:41:58] <RoyK> simbalion: can you mount the filesystems etc from a live thing?
1838 [23:42:14] * RoyK doesn't like the busybox mess
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1852 [23:52:20] <simbalion> only /boot and secondary disks
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1854 [23:54:26] <simbalion> this is why logical disks are dumb
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