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10[00:06:11] <jhutchins> Perhaps someone was looking for ip route show?
11[00:06:33] <jhutchins> I'm severely entrenched with the old tools, but I'm tryng to learn the new ones.
12[00:07:21] <abrotman> "new" :)
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19[00:08:37] <jhutchins> Hey, I've used hand operated punchcard tools.
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23[00:11:05] <abrock> "ip route show" on the working machine: replaced-url
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26[00:13:39] <jhutchins> abrock: Did we try taking the interface down, then bringing it back up?
27[00:13:49] <jhutchins> With the cable connected?
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29[00:14:20] <jhutchins> abrock: onlink seems to imply that it should come up if you plug it in.
30[00:15:27] <abrock> jhutchins: yes, I'm constantly doing that (and sometimes rebooting) while playing with the settings and instaling packages via usb thumb drive
31[00:15:51] <jhutchins> abrock: Is there any question of ipv6 being involved?
32[00:17:40] <jhutchins> abrock: Are we sure that eth0 is correct and it's not using the new naming conventions?
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35[00:19:39] <jhutchins> abrock: Your actual interface would appear to be enp2s0f1
36[00:19:50] <abrock> one the old machine it's eth0, on the new machine it's enp2s0f1
37[00:20:14] <jhutchins> Ok, so long as you're keeping them straight.
38[00:20:22] <abrock> I think I am
39[00:20:36] <abrock> mostly I use autocompletion
40[00:20:42] <jhutchins> abrock: It would probably tell you if you tried to configure the wrong one.
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42[00:21:00] <jhutchins> abrock: Did you look for interesting things in dmesg?
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44[00:21:15] <abrock> I installed binutils, dkms, kernel-headers and r8168-dkms
45[00:21:20] <abrock> using usb thumb drive
46[00:21:29] <abrock> no difference
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49[00:21:46] <jhutchins> abrock: Has it actually built the r8168 modeule & loaded it?
50[00:22:12] <abrock> it actually built the module and I reboted
51[00:22:21] <abrock> how to tell if it's loaded?
52[00:22:24] <jhutchins> I'm not real clear to me how/when that happens...
53[00:22:42] <abrock> modprobe r8168 says nothing
54[00:22:52] <jhutchins> abrock: So lsmod shows it loaded, and there aren't any errors near in dmesg?
55[00:23:09] <jhutchins> modprobe doesn't returne much, it's usually run in internal processes.
56[00:23:17] <jhutchins> lsmod would be useful.
57[00:23:41] <jhutchins> Output from the modprobe process would show up in dmesg.
58[00:24:36] <jhutchins> !r8168
59[00:24:36] <dpkg> r8168 is an out-of-tree Linux kernel driver supporting Realtek PCIe gigabit Ethernet controllers, made available by the vendor. r8168 should only be used for devices not yet supported by the in-tree <r8169> driver. Packaged for Debian as r8168-dkms in <unstable>, this will never be part of a stable Debian release. Purging the r8168-dkms package is required to remove the r8169 blacklist. replaced-url
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61[00:25:33] <jhutchins> abrock: Well, goood luck, I have to go make dinner happen.
62[00:25:50] <jhutchins> abrock: At some point taking a break and doing something else for a while might help.
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69[00:36:08] <omry> abrock: did you look into the netmask difference?
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73[00:37:54] <omry> * genmask
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75[00:38:56] <abrock> omry: Yes, I fixed it, no difference
76[00:40:06] <omry> abrock: ok. was worth a shot. I am out of ideas.
77[00:40:20] <omry> well, are you sure the hardware is okay?
78[00:40:31] <omry> do you have a way to confirm it, maybe using another OS?
79[00:41:18] <abrock> I used the hardware today before I messed up my installation
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81[00:41:56] <omry> ok. doesn't mean it didnt' go bad in between :)
82[00:42:04] <omry> is arp showing your router?
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84[00:47:25] <abrock> I tried to boot windows from a different HD but I forgot the password so I can't check
85[00:47:59] <iflema> lol
86[00:49:36] <abrock> ok, installing firmware-linux-nonfree fixed the ping issue
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89[00:55:12] <abrock> suddenly dhclient works
90[00:55:32] <abrock> I need to write stuff like that down somewhere safe
91[00:56:02] <abrock> I have these vague memories of installing OS and spending hours fixing stupid errors
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95[00:57:07] <abrock> thank you all very much for helping me figure that out over the course of the last 4(?) hours
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122[01:28:47] <omry> abrock: cool.
123[01:29:11] <omry> yeah, it was either bad driver, bad hardware or bad cables at that point.
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127[01:35:30] <mason> Is the Debian installer willing to do ESP-on-MD-RAID-1 by any chance?
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129[01:38:01] <mason> Hm, I suppose I can just try it and see.
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133[01:42:43] <josefig> Hello, is there an easy way to turn on user namespaces ? or should I do it on the kernel config and recompile kernel ?
134[01:44:14] <Mr_Queue> mason: Never heard of ESP-on-MD-RAID-1.
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136[01:45:01] <mason> Mr_Queue: I've traditionally set it up by hand in Debian/Ubuntu. The EL installer does it out of the box. You just need metadata 1.0 or earlier so the metadata isn't at the front of the partitions.
137[01:45:33] <Mr_Queue> EL?
138[01:45:40] <mason> RHEL/CentOS/SL/etc
139[01:45:48] <Mr_Queue> pft..
140[01:45:59] * mason shrugs.
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142[01:47:03] <Mr_Queue> As we begin the mass migration from RHEL/Cent5 => Debian like system I'm sure we'll see 1000's more like you.
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144[01:47:37] <mason> Mr_Queue: You seem confused, but I won't engage.
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150[01:53:44] <mason> Alright, so, the installer didn't complain about having ESP on MD-RAID1, but it created it with metadata 1.2, so it won't work. Oh well. The workaround: Create a degraded RAID1 on the second disk, and have it subsume the ESP partition after first boot.
151[01:53:59] <mason> bbl
152[01:55:22] <mason> (Well, this is if one wishes to be OCD with MD numbering. But anyway. Dinner.)
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165[02:05:49] <ArahaelPi> I like iterm2, but can't find an equivalent in debian. Can anyone suggest a similar terminal emulator?
166[02:06:27] <ArahaelPi> In particular,I like to have easy access to changing the ansi colours (especiallly dark blue), and to be able to switch from tab to tab very easily, using something like alt+digit.
167[02:07:14] <empty_string> maybe terminator?
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173[02:09:37] <ArahaelPi> Hmm, will check that out.
174[02:09:40] <ArahaelPi> Thanks.
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177[02:15:01] <ArahaelPi> empty_string: That works for me. A bit unorthodox, but workable. :) Thanks.
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185[02:28:44] <empty_string> glad I could help :)
186[02:33:05] <ArahaelPi> :)
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189[02:34:48] <jim> you might look at other terminal emulators to see if there's something you like better.,,. also, you might look at screen or tmux, these are programs that run in a term that offer interesting features
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208[03:09:01] <symtex> when using openvswitch on debian 9 and setting up startup configuration via the "interfaces" file which systemd service should come first in systemd? networking or openvswitch-switch?
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218[03:23:52] <Mr_Queue> terminator is pretty cool..
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227[03:34:16] <rant> ArahaelPi: mate-terminal or pretty much any of them (lxterminal, gnome-terminal, etc) can do both those things
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257[04:34:33] <Lambertini> Hey Folks, someone try install debian in old machines ?
258[04:34:51] <Lambertini> i try install debian 8 in semprom 2200+ but no start
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260[04:35:11] <Lambertini> but i try with usb
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268[04:41:13] <rant> Lambertini: is the kernel -i686 or -amd64?
269[04:42:25] <Lambertini> i use amd64
270[04:42:32] <Lambertini> 32x
271[04:42:43] <rant> yeah well the sempron 2200 is 32bit
272[04:42:50] <rant> it wont run an amd64 kernel
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275[04:43:40] <Lambertini> rant, let me see
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277[04:44:01] <Lambertini> rant, i386
278[04:44:04] <Lambertini> i use
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280[04:44:46] <rant> there is no debian kernel for i386
281[04:45:11] <rant> even if you installed the i386 arch, you may still have an amd64 kernel
282[04:45:21] <rant> and that CPU cannot boot an amd64 kernel
283[04:45:56] <rant> so you'd have to chroot and install an -686 or -686-pae kernel
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285[04:46:15] <rant> !pae
286[04:46:16] <dpkg> Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <686-pae>, <bigmem>.
287[04:46:35] <Lambertini> rant, well, after a long time on the home screen, it started to install
288[04:47:08] <rant> yeah I have no idea what you're talking about.. but chances are you're trying to boot a 64bit kernel or userland on a 32bit cpu
289[04:48:29] <rant> most likely its the kernel since a 64bit installer would not have booted either.
290[04:49:15] <Lambertini> most likely its the kernel since a 64bit installer would not have booted either.
291[04:49:18] <Lambertini> but
292[04:49:33] <Lambertini> took a long time to wait
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294[04:50:34] <Lambertini> rant, thx man !!
295[04:50:43] <Lambertini> replaced-url
296[04:51:18] <Lambertini> but I did not find pae
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307[05:01:11] <mrjpaxton> Just let 32-bit die already.
308[05:02:37] <Lambertini> mrjpaxton, yahp, but, i not need the a super machine, just server web for littles projects
309[05:04:22] <mrjpaxton> Well, to be fair, a lot of ARM systems are still 32-bit. You can also literally host a Web server on something the size of a gum stick.
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311[05:05:21] <Lambertini> yahp >D
312[05:05:35] <Lambertini> mrjpaxton, you know sentora project?
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315[05:06:59] <mrjpaxton> Lambertini: I don't happen to.
316[05:07:28] <Lambertini> replaced-url
317[05:08:32] <Lambertini> someone know a nice panel for webhost free better sentora?
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333[05:28:08] <dijong> is there any way to "automatically" apply a single patch file to my Linux kernel every time i update it with the package manager?
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342[05:42:37] <rant> !dkms
343[05:42:37] <dpkg> Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
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367[06:14:24] <Lambertini> how do I make my linux not get into X mode
368[06:14:25] <Lambertini> ?
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372[06:21:23] <orekix> Lambertini, disable your display manager
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375[06:22:22] <Lambertini> orekix, thx
376[06:22:34] <Lambertini> i used systemctl
377[06:22:57] <Lambertini> systemctl set-defautl mult-user .target
378[06:22:57] <orekix> which desktop environment are you using?
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380[06:24:02] <Lambertini> notthing, i install desktop envairoment
381[06:24:14] <Lambertini> but I did not want graphics
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472[08:29:32] <ArahaelPi> rant: lxterminal didn't do it for me, but... It's quite likely that the keyboard shortcuts just weren't immediately obvious to me. I quite like terminator now, though. :)
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490[08:45:23] <omry> 13 unix stickers for $1, including debian! replaced-url
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494[08:47:11] <omry> I got a little story there, I ordered it a few weeks ago, and eventually I got an email from them asking if I liked it before I got it.
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497[08:47:48] <omry> I told them I didn't get it, and they send another one for free. today I found the one I didn't get in a pile of unopened mail, so I ordered their ultimate pack to make amends.
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499[08:48:39] <omry> and oops, this entire thing was meant for debian offtopic :(
500[08:48:41] <omry> sorry.
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540[10:12:15] <bullgard4> What does the abbreviation 'B-D' stand for in the sentence "Please make that sure by a versioned B-D next time." in replaced-url
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542[10:15:09] <h4x0riz3d> without being familiar i'd guess "broken dependancy"
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546[10:16:57] <bullgard4> h4x0riz3d: Thank you.
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551[10:19:39] <dutchfish> h4x0riz3d, i think versioned build(er) deployment was ment.
552[10:20:04] <h4x0riz3d> bullgard4 ^
553[10:20:30] <bullgard4> h4x0riz3d: I saw dutchfish's message.
554[10:20:40] <dutchfish> h4x0riz3d, because buildds was mentioned.
555[10:21:09] <h4x0riz3d> "buildds" looked to me like a typo *shrug*
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557[10:22:58] <dutchfish> h4x0riz3d, replaced-url
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564[10:28:46] <rudi_s> bullgard4: build-dependency?
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567[10:32:08] <bullgard4> rudi_s: Tahnk you.
568[10:33:09] <bullgard4> s/Tahnk/Thank/
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574[10:36:42] <rudi_s> np
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587[10:57:58] <rindolf> Hi all! Which firmware should I install for debian on my core i3 sandy bridge machine to make it faster? This search has nothing definitive - replaced-url
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597[11:07:06] <pragomer> thinking about what password-safe-program to use: keepassx, keepass2, keepassXC
598[11:07:11] <pragomer> any hints?
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601[11:07:58] <rudi_s> rindolf: What do you expect to get faster?
602[11:08:30] <rindolf> rudi_s: my replaced-url
603[11:08:46] <rudi_s> rindolf: Which exercise what part of the system? CPU?
604[11:08:59] <rindolf> rudi_s: cpu and ram
605[11:09:02] <rudi_s> pragomer: Never heard of keepassXC; keepassx, keepass2 seem to be fine but both use "custom" crypto. Personally I use pass, but that's mostly CLI.
606[11:09:47] <rudi_s> rindolf: Then firmware will most likely not help. You can get new CPU microcode (but with the recent spectre fixes, that will most likely get slower - if there are updates for your CPU).
607[11:09:58] <pragomer> xc seems to be the more uptodate community edition with browser integration
608[11:10:30] <rindolf> rudi_s: ok
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610[11:10:35] <rudi_s> pragomer: Browser integration is something I'd be very careful about. There are a lot of attacks against browser extensions if the programmer is not very careful.
611[11:11:27] <h4x0riz3d> yeah, i chose a password manager that doesn't offer browser integration.. sounded scary
612[11:11:54] <h4x0riz3d> keepassx is "okay" so far
613[11:11:57] <rindolf> rudi_s: replaced-url
614[11:12:31] <rudi_s> rindolf: Yes. But again, this won't help with your performance. It will only fix potential bugs in your CPU.
615[11:12:41] <rindolf> rudi_s: ah
616[11:13:01] <rindolf> rudi_s: well, performance is better here on mageia v7
617[11:13:28] <rudi_s> rindolf: I have no idea what that is.
618[11:13:54] <rindolf> rudi_s: see replaced-url
619[11:14:04] <rindolf> rudi_s: a linux distro
620[11:15:01] <rudi_s> rindolf: Well. Depending on what you benchmark the kernel is also relevant.
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628[11:21:40] <rindolf> rudi_s: ok
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630[11:22:18] <rindolf> rudi_s: the kernel does not matter a lot for it
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633[11:23:22] <rudi_s> rindolf: As I said, depends on what you benchmark. But if you measure raw CPU performance, than the distribution won't matter at all (except for the kernels and compilation of your test programs).
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635[11:24:41] <rindolf> rudi_s: ok
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637[11:25:15] <abrock> I have a laptop with a nvidia card and a new debian stable installation which I upgraded to testing. I installed the nvidia-driver and xorg-xserver-video-nvidia packages but the nvidia kernel module doesn't seem to be properly installed
638[11:25:51] <abrock> Xorg log file tells me "Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)"
639[11:27:02] <abrock> there were no error messages during installation
640[11:31:01] <abrock> Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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642[11:33:04] <Lxrowe> Would you ever.
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646[11:34:37] <Lxrowe> replaced-url
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656[11:43:58] <srged> I try to pain an iphone with my debian 9 and i get this error "Unhandled Lockdown error (-3)". any clue why ?
657[11:44:07] <srged> pair*
658[11:44:39] <[sr]> iphone is really a paint to pair!!
659[11:44:41] <[sr]> pain
660[11:44:51] <srged> true! :)
661[11:46:11] <srged> any iphone user here?
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665[11:50:04] <at0m> srged: not here, but there's always replaced-url
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667[11:50:51] <srged> yeah i did follow the wiki but it wasnt a success
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688[12:13:07] <Gunni> is running without swap really so bad that the installer has no method to do it? (using lvm)
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690[12:14:49] <Gunni> my thought is to have redundancy and memory exhaustions are the admin's problem, but why force it? the only method i found was to alt+f2 and manually create the lvm*
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702[12:25:15] <abrock> hm, I booted the kernel from stable and to my surprise I get a login screen but everything is frozen, neither keyboard nor mouse are usable
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704[12:27:09] <at0m> dpkg: tell abrock about testing
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706[12:28:03] <abrock> are you suggesting to join #debian-next or to use stable?
707[12:28:29] <at0m> i suggest you look for support on OFTC in #debian-next, indeed
708[12:28:39] <at0m> and nv isnt nvidia-driver, that would be nvidia
709[12:29:02] <abrock> I tried to join #debian-next but I'm told that channel is invite-only
710[12:29:03] <at0m> you could try purging all nvidia packages, then install the onces suggested by nvidia-detect
711[12:29:25] <at0m> abrock: it's invite-only on freenode, cos the channel is on OFTC
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713[12:29:47] <at0m> "#debian-next on irc.oftc.net"
714[12:31:16] <luna_> Anyone have the salsa link for the song?
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776[13:53:28] <mallxs> where do i find the notes what was shown before the dist-upgrade started ?
777[13:54:27] <c-c> perhaps in /var/log/apt?
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852[15:26:06] <eptalon> heyas
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854[15:26:44] <eptalon> quick question: can I get a debnian live run from a mem stick to the point that it automatically conncts to a WIRELESS NW WITH A SSID AND PW?
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856[15:30:45] <RoyK> I guess the best way is to just boot on one memory stick and then install debian on the other
857[15:31:08] <fpat> eptalon: i believe you want to dive into remastering: replaced-url
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859[15:33:44] <eptalon> fpat: yep probably.
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919[16:28:06] <Gigglebyte> Shouldn't there be something for security in the update file replaced-url
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921[16:34:01] <Brigo> Gigglebyte, i think i don't uderstand the question.
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926[16:35:21] <Gigglebyte> Brigo> Do I need to add anything more to my configuration file that pulls packages? Shouldn't there be something in there for security?
927[16:35:51] <Brigo> Gigglebyte, there is something there in the first line
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929[16:36:31] <Brigo> Gigglebyte, anyway if you want us to check you configuration, better show us the configuration, no the output.
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933[16:39:44] <Gigglebyte> YOu mean the sources.list ?
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937[16:40:49] <Gigglebyte> Brigo> Here is the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file replaced-url
938[16:40:51] <Brigo> yes
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941[16:41:41] <Brigo> Gigglebyte, the lines 12,13 are for security updates
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943[16:42:00] <Brigo> the configuration file looks good.
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945[16:42:27] <Gigglebyte> Brigo> Anything else beneficial that I should put in there? Or is it ok?
946[16:42:30] <Brigo> if you are new to debian one more thing you can considere is backports. Check backports.debian.org
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951[16:49:13] <Gigglebyte> Brigo> thanks for reminding me. I will be on later, but got to run for now.
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954[16:49:47] <Brigo> Gigglebyte, no problem
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968[17:00:32] <danwellby> I have cpu3 stalling causing lockups on my fresh debian 9.5 laptop, the laptop in question is a msi gl62 6qd
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973[17:03:25] <danwellby> what is the best way to diagnose the issue?
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1031[17:52:59] <mason> ArahaelPi: FWIW, it takes some config work, but I use urxvt the way you're describing iterm2. Malleable colours, alt-# to change tabs, etc.
1032[17:53:20] <AeCEgGfTv5> Hello, I have a question. I'm able to access my NAS by using the DDNS hostname (ex: test.dyndns.org) from the outside. However, I'm not able to access the NAS from my LAN by using the DDNS hostname.
1033[17:53:20] <mason> ArahaelPi: If you want to try it, ping me, and when I'm back at my keyboard later I'll gather some details.
1034[17:53:36] <AeCEgGfTv5> can someone take a look at those rules and let me know where the problem is?
1035[17:54:56] <mawk> first the resolution is right AeCEgGfTv5 ?
1036[17:55:10] <mawk> btw you actually chose your nick or it's randomly-generated ?
1037[17:55:49] <AeCEgGfTv5> randomly gen
1038[17:55:58] <AeCEgGfTv5> yes the resolution is rihgt
1039[17:56:13] <AeCEgGfTv5> these are the rules: replaced-url
1040[17:56:42] <AeCEgGfTv5> everything works currently....I just can't access my NAS by using the DDNS hostname....I have to use the NAS's ip
1041[17:56:47] <mawk> ah
1042[17:56:56] <mawk> the *external* NAS ip works from the inside ?
1043[17:57:05] <mawk> or you mean you're using the NAS LAN IP from the inside
1044[17:57:34] <AeCEgGfTv5> from the inside, NAS LAN IP works. However, if I try to use the dynamic dns hostname to access it, it doesn't work
1045[17:57:59] <mawk> the ddns hostname returns your public ip right
1046[17:58:01] <mawk> not a LAN ip
1047[17:58:03] <AeCEgGfTv5> yep
1048[17:58:13] <AeCEgGfTv5> it returns the public ip
1049[17:58:28] <mawk> alright
1050[17:58:31] <mawk> here's the culprit
1051[17:59:11] <mawk> you need to duplicate the PREROUTING rules to put them in the INPUT chain of the nat table
1052[17:59:46] <mawk> hmm actually maybe no
1053[17:59:51] <mawk> it should go through PREROUTING too
1054[18:00:06] <mawk> then, instead of -i tun0 you use -d $YOUR_PUBLIC_IP
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1056[18:00:13] <mawk> in the three PREROUTING rules
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1058[18:00:32] <mawk> and it should work
1059[18:00:45] <AeCEgGfTv5> ahh....that's a problem. My router has 3 interfaces: eth0 (WAN), eth1 (LAN), tun0 (OpenVPN).
1060[18:00:53] <mawk> yes
1061[18:00:57] <AeCEgGfTv5> the DDNS hostname is pointing to the tun0 ip address
1062[18:01:06] <mawk> the ddns hostname points to a public ip
1063[18:01:15] <mawk> so you don't care where that ip is contacted from
1064[18:01:28] <AeCEgGfTv5> which public ip? I have 2: ISP public ip and VPN public ip, which one should I use?
1065[18:01:35] <mawk> the ip listed in the ddns
1066[18:01:46] <AeCEgGfTv5> but it's the VPN ip address
1067[18:01:59] <AeCEgGfTv5> $YOUR_PUBLIC_IP would return the ISP public ip
1068[18:02:08] <mawk> ah, then use the vpn ip instead
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1070[18:02:46] <AeCEgGfTv5> is there a way to do this without using the public ip?
1071[18:04:03] <mawk> your goal is to translate some address into another one
1072[18:04:17] <mawk> you need to know which address you're translating from
1073[18:04:21] <mawk> currently your NAT rule is too wide
1074[18:06:18] <AeCEgGfTv5> this what someone in another channel said
1075[18:06:21] <AeCEgGfTv5> 11:58] <optiz0r> you'll almost certainly have issues with hairpin NAT if you're accessing an internal host from within your LAN using an external IP address, unless you're SNATing the packet to the router's address at the same time as DNATing from the external to internal address
1076[18:06:22] <AeCEgGfTv5> [11:59] <optiz0r> TCP SYN packet has src=client-internal dst=server-external, gets sent to the router where it gets DNAT'd such that src=client-internal dst=server-internal. So the server sends the TCP-SYN back with src-server-internal. Client drops it because it was expecting a packet with src=server-external
1077[18:06:24] <AeCEgGfTv5> [12:00] <optiz0r> so you need to force the return packet to go via the router rather than direct, which you do by applying an SNAT
1078[18:06:51] <jelly> they're right
1079[18:07:05] <AeCEgGfTv5> how do I do that? duplicate the 3 prerouting rules with SNAT?
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1081[18:09:07] <mawk> yes
1082[18:09:10] <mawk> and change the tun0
1083[18:09:24] <mawk> because for now you don't do anything for packets coming from the LAN
1084[18:09:27] <mawk> they don't get NAT'd
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1087[18:10:21] <jelly> sure they so, -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE
1088[18:10:40] <mawk> I don't mean nat'd like that sorry
1089[18:10:48] <jelly> otherwise it's impossible to route rfc1918 outside
1090[18:10:49] <mawk> I'm talking about the three PREROUTING rules
1091[18:10:58] <mawk> they're only for traffic from tun0
1092[18:11:04] <jelly> yes
1093[18:11:13] <mawk> if he tries to reach port 21648 from the LAN, it doesn't get redirected to 192.168.1.30
1094[18:11:22] <jelly> I'd ask about the nicest way to do it in #Netfilter
1095[18:11:35] <mawk> what I do is indeed what optiz0r said
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1097[18:11:49] <mawk> I add SNAT rules for packets that need it
1098[18:12:06] <mawk> for instance -A POSTROUTING -p udp -m conntrack --ctorigdstport 53 --ctorigdst 10.10.10.1 --ctdir ORIGINAL --ctstate DNAT -j SNAT --to-source 10.10.10.1
1099[18:12:23] <AeCEgGfTv5> so add this after the 3 PREROUTING rules: -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.30
1100[18:12:33] <mawk> SNAT goes in POSTROUTING
1101[18:12:57] <AeCEgGfTv5> ok add -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.30 before the -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE
1102[18:13:11] <jelly> (but also, perhaps avoid the whole thing completely and let your dns recursor lie about that particular host and provide the 192.168 reply when the query is ocming from 192.168)
1103[18:13:22] <mawk> it's --to-source
1104[18:13:37] <mawk> yeah, that would be way better
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1107[18:14:00] <AeCEgGfTv5> ok add -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.30
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1110[18:14:04] <rocketmagnet> hello everone
1111[18:14:14] <mawk> you SNAT to the router's ip, AeCEgGfTv5
1112[18:14:15] <AeCEgGfTv5> yeah I want to avoid installing dnsmasq and bind9
1113[18:14:18] <AeCEgGfTv5> ah
1114[18:14:27] <mawk> you want the clients to believe the router is indeed the one having the port 21648
1115[18:14:38] <AeCEgGfTv5> ok add -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.1
1116[18:14:41] <mawk> otherwise clients respond the the initiator, and the initiator thinks spoofing is happening and drop the connection
1117[18:14:59] <mawk> yeah it's starting to look better
1118[18:15:05] <AeCEgGfTv5> ok letme go try that real quick
1119[18:15:10] <mawk> now you maybe want to add -d 192.168.1.30
1120[18:15:22] <AeCEgGfTv5> ok
1121[18:15:27] <mawk> you only SNAT stuff going to the .30 computer
1122[18:15:35] <mawk> but it's still too broad to my taste, even though it may work
1123[18:15:39] <rocketmagnet> i think something with my system is wrong (i think it's firefox), i've only one tab open but have 10 TIME_WAIT connections open
1124[18:15:46] <rocketmagnet> as soon as i close it they are gone
1125[18:15:50] <mawk> that's why I add conntrack directives to only match on packets that have been DNAT'd previously
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1127[18:17:21] <mawk> in your case -m conntrack --ctorigdst 192.168.1.1 --ctorigdstport 21648 --ctdir ORIGINAL --ctstate DNAT
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1133[18:20:52] <AeCEgGfTv5> I did -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m conntrack --ctorigdstport 24446 --ctorigdst 192.168.1.1 --ctdir ORIGINAL --ctstate DNAT -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.1
1134[18:20:55] <AeCEgGfTv5> didn't work
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1136[18:22:18] <rocketmagnet> is there a way i can block all https incoming requests if they where not requested first ?
1137[18:23:08] <mawk> because the PREROUTING rules only match outside world traffic for now AeCEgGfTv5
1138[18:23:30] <mawk> you need to drop the -i tun0 and instead add -d $ip1,$ip2,$ip3
1139[18:23:34] <mawk> list every ip your router has
1140[18:24:17] <mawk> or you can duplicate this set of rules, keep tun0 for the tun0 dynamic ip, and for the new set you replace -i tun0 by -d 192.168.1.1
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1159[18:39:27] <AeCEgGfTv5> tried -A POSTROUTING -d 192.168.1.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 24446 -j NAT --to-destination 192.168.1.30, it failed with error: DNAT target used from hooks POSTROUTING but only usable from PREROUTING/OUTPUT
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1164[18:45:46] <fpat> AeCEgGfTv5: maybe this little pic helps you: replaced-url
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1172[18:53:35] <robertz> i love hitler's moustache
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1181[18:57:18] <zumba_addict> this looks really nice. replaced-url
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1187[18:59:41] <zumba_addict> what is the easiest way to use fluxbox?
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1190[19:00:22] <zumba_addict> and will xfce4 work with fluxbox?
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1199[19:09:51] <zumba_addict> also, on the sign-in, I clicked cogwheel and tried the other 3(gnome, gnome classic and waylang). I didn't see any change when I logged in
1200[19:11:21] <c-c> zumba_addict: afaik fluxbox works by installing it and then confing your dm or login manager to use it
1201[19:11:42] <zumba_addict> ok. I created a .xinitrc but looks like it's not calling it
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1203[19:11:52] <c-c> zumba_addict: you probably already have a login manager that gives you the choice to login into a fluxbox session from the login screen
1204[19:12:02] <c-c> (assuming you use a graphical login manager or dm)
1205[19:12:13] <zumba_addict> it's graphical
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1207[19:12:36] <c-c> so, for most debian installs, 1. install fluxbox. 2. log out. 3. select fluxbox for the session and log in
1208[19:12:45] <c-c> then right click once logged in
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1212[19:13:37] <zumba_addict> it worked when i cp .xinitrc to .xsession
1213[19:13:56] <zumba_addict> I logged out so many times, I still didn't see it as an option
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1215[19:14:32] <zumba_addict> wow, this fluxbox reminds me of my solaris long time ago :D
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1219[19:19:19] <zumba_addict> i'm installing xfce, i'm asked which display manager. GDM3 or LightDM?
1220[19:21:06] <orekix> go with lightdm, GDM is usually only used with gnome3
1221[19:21:27] <zumba_addict> got it
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1226[19:24:39] <zumba_addict> i picked the wrong one :( now I can't get that thing to pop up
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1229[19:26:23] <zumba_addict> it's good now. A logout wasn't enough. I restarted it. I see all of the choices now :)
1230[19:26:36] <zumba_addict> However, I want to use lightdm but I picked gd3
1231[19:26:48] <zumba_addict> I picked gdm3 during installation
1232[19:27:09] <zumba_addict> how do we switch to lightdm?
1233[19:27:36] <zumba_addict> performance is kinda sluggish
1234[19:27:41] <orekix> disable gdm and uninstall it
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1236[19:27:47] <orekix> then install lightdm and enable it
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1238[19:28:10] <zumba_addict> like apt-get remove gdm && apt-get install lightdm?
1239[19:28:26] <orekix> disable the service first, systemctl disable gdm
1240[19:28:37] <zumba_addict> got it
1241[19:29:21] <zumba_addict> apt list gdm didn't show anything. What is the package name?
1242[19:29:22] <apt> zumba_addict: that's too long
1243[19:29:37] <rant> zumba_addict: gdm3
1244[19:29:39] <zumba_addict> hehehe, looks like apt is a bot
1245[19:29:44] <zumba_addict> is he a bot?
1246[19:29:50] <zumba_addict> cool
1247[19:29:52] <rant> zumba_addict: yes
1248[19:29:55] <zumba_addict> :)
1249[19:30:01] <rant> apt, what are you?
1250[19:30:01] <apt> I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
1251[19:30:38] <AeCEgGfTv5> anyone know how to hairpin nat?
1252[19:30:47] <AeCEgGfTv5> i tried the suggestions by mawk but it didn't work
1253[19:30:50] <zumba_addict> :D
1254[19:31:16] <zumba_addict> I successfully removed gdm3. apt-get said lightdm is already installed. How do I switch to it?
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1256[19:31:29] <mason> AeCEgGfTv5: You could always have the internal resolution of the name match the internal addressing and NOT force it through NAT.
1257[19:31:44] <AeCEgGfTv5> i have to do this on 30 clients lol
1258[19:31:45] <mason> zumba_addict: dpkg-reconfigure lightdm I suspect
1259[19:31:52] <zumba_addict> awesome. doing it now
1260[19:31:56] <mason> AeCEgGfTv5: Thirty clients, or a single internal name server.
1261[19:32:12] <AeCEgGfTv5> how do I do that on the server? /etc/hosts?
1262[19:32:26] <AeCEgGfTv5> i don't really want to install dnsmasq or bind9 on my router/server
1263[19:32:43] <mason> AeCEgGfTv5: If you don't have internal name server set up you're not in as good a position. You could do it in /etc/hosts on all the clients.
1264[19:32:58] <mason> AeCEgGfTv5: It could be on some other box in the network. Doesn't have to be on your router.
1265[19:33:34] <zumba_addict> i really like the desktop manager I was using in BunselLabs. It's extremely fast
1266[19:33:47] <AeCEgGfTv5> yeah I want to stick with iptables
1267[19:33:58] <AeCEgGfTv5> it looks complex with bind9 setting up zones
1268[19:34:12] <zumba_addict> i'm back to fluxbox. I'm not sure why
1269[19:34:22] <mason> AeCEgGfTv5: First hit searching: replaced-url
1270[19:34:51] <mason> AeCEgGfTv5: Probably cleaner to have an internal DNS server.
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1272[19:35:25] <zumba_addict> i figured it out. But looks like it didn't improve. Dragging the terminal is still jittery
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1274[19:36:34] <altker128> Hey guys, how would I get my Debian Stretch installation to use an older version of the Linux kernel? I'm running into hard-lock ups with a Java-based application and my research says this might be due to some stack protection bugs in the kernel
1275[19:36:51] <altker128> (In my decades of using Linux I've almost never seen a hard lock, just segfaults
1276[19:36:53] <altker128> )
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1278[19:38:36] <jgkamat> altker128: I heard of some people getting lock ups with a recent security patch oracle put out, which java version are you using (is it openjdk?)
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1280[19:40:51] <altker128> jgkamat: It is JRE/JDK: 1.8 . It is the Sun Java, not OpenJDK. The Java application I'm using only works with Sun Java. Do you have suggestions on reverting to an older kernel?
1281[19:41:21] <altker128> jgkamat: I have tried running / downloading the latest (most current ) JRE/JDK 1.8 which did not help. Unfortunately the application does not work with JRE9/JRE10
1282[19:41:47] <jgkamat> altker128: what security patch are you on? You should have options to use the last (3?) kernels in the grub menu
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1284[19:42:33] <altker128> jgkamat: 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1285[19:42:43] <jgkamat> altker128: the jdk version, not kernel
1286[19:43:54] <altker128> jgkamat: server-jre-8u172-linux-x64.tar.gz
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1288[19:44:06] <altker128> jgkamat: So I guess that 1.8 u172
1289[19:44:17] <jgkamat> yah, one second
1290[19:44:31] <rant> Sun hasn't owned Java in nearly 10 years
1291[19:44:50] <altker128> rant: Ugh, Oracle
1292[19:44:57] <altker128> rant: Pedantic much?
1293[19:45:49] <fpat> 1 bit can change the world
1294[19:45:54] <jgkamat> I think that the problem I've seen started at 161. However, there is a new update to oracle java 8 (u181). You could try installing that and seeing if it helps at all
1295[19:46:42] <altker128> jgkamat: Hrm, I thought I downloaded the latest version of ORACLE's website directly. Do you know where to get u181?
1296[19:46:52] <altker128> *of == from
1297[19:47:22] <jgkamat> altker128: this is where I'm seeing it replaced-url
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1303[19:49:10] <jgkamat> fwiw, I wouldn't recommend downgrading kernel versions because it would put you at a security risk. I think you can get them by installing the linux-image-<version> package though (and selecting the kernel on boot during grub)
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1305[19:50:43] <altker128> jgkamat: Thank you. Can you point me to where you read about the Java / Kernel lock up issues? I came across a thread on Ubiquiti networks
1306[19:51:58] <jgkamat> altker128: the issue that I was thinking of is a freeze on the android monitor with newer versions of java, but the information I found seems to all be about mac os, so maybe that's not related
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1308[19:52:17] <altker128> jgkamat: I guess I could try a version of Java older than 161 too
1309[19:52:20] <jgkamat> you can search "jdk android monitor freeze" to find information about that
1310[19:53:11] <jgkamat> also, if the entire system is locking, it's probably not a bug in java, but in the kernel (and I have no idea what to do about that)
1311[19:54:11] <altker128> jgkamat: Yeah, I'm pretty certain this is a kernel bug that Java is triggering. The Java application is not running as root either.
1312[19:54:22] <altker128> jgkamat: Do you know if there are any Debain developers that hang out in here?
1313[19:54:39] <jgkamat> I'm sure they do, I'd just idle here and wait. I think there's a more active channel on oftc though
1314[19:55:00] <jgkamat> altker128: what graphics card do you use?
1315[19:55:19] <altker128> jgkamat: It's Intel integrated graphics. To be clear I'm running a "headless" application (Confluence)
1316[19:55:37] <jgkamat> ok, never mind, that can't be it then :P
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1321[19:57:56] <zumba_addict> folks, how do I check which desktop manager I'm using? I turned on my bunselabs and I see it's using openbox. I'd like to know what desktop manager it's using
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1323[20:00:07] <altker128> zumba_addict: You could always use ps or ps aux and just get a process listing
1324[20:00:22] <zumba_addict> ok
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1326[20:00:50] <mason> zumba_addict: A desktop manager is your login screen. Do you mean session manager?
1327[20:00:55] <zumba_addict> oh
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1331[20:01:14] <zumba_addict> i mean, it's a very plain screen after I log in. No icons
1332[20:01:15] <mason> (Think gdm, kdm, xdm.)
1333[20:01:28] <zumba_addict> I have to right-click to see a menu but it's also very plain
1334[20:01:32] <mason> THAT is entirely dependent on your choice of window manager or desktop environment.
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1336[20:01:50] <mason> zumba_addict: What do you want to be running? What have you installed that you want to see?
1337[20:01:56] <zumba_addict> cool. I need to find out which desktop environment my existing bunsenlabs is using
1338[20:02:29] <zumba_addict> I installed openbox on my debian 9 because my bunsenlabs was using it. I like it because it's extremely fast
1339[20:02:41] <mason> Hm, they describe themselves as an Openbox-based desktop, so probably you can copy over most of your configs from such a box.
1340[20:02:55] <mason> Yeah, I use Openbox here and have for years. I approve.
1341[20:02:55] <zumba_addict> my bunsenlabs though has taskbar and nice menu
1342[20:03:16] <zumba_addict> my new debian 9 after switching to openbox is very plain, just blank gray screen
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1344[20:03:20] <mason> zumba_addict: Lots of options there. I don't know what Bunsen has chosen.
1345[20:03:36] <zumba_addict> ok, which once are nice and lightweight
1346[20:03:47] <mason> zumba_addict: For my part, I set a backdrop with xv or feh and have dmenu to launch things. Very minimal.
1347[20:04:09] <zumba_addict> k
1348[20:04:20] <zumba_addict> i still like to have a taskbar at the bottom
1349[20:04:32] <zumba_addict> i tried xfce but it was slow
1350[20:04:34] <mason> zumba_addict: Maybe xfce4-panel
1351[20:04:43] <zumba_addict> ok
1352[20:04:45] <mason> You can just use the panel and ignore the rest.
1353[20:04:46] <altker128> zumba_addict: MATE desktop environment IMO is pretty simple and to the point and is pretty fast. XFCE does seem slow
1354[20:05:02] <mason> altker128: Will their panel run standalone?
1355[20:05:02] <zumba_addict> cool, so apt-get install mate?
1356[20:05:05] <orekix> there's tint2 for a panel too
1357[20:05:18] <mason> zumba_addict: You don't have to generally install the whole environment to get their panel/taskbar.
1358[20:05:32] <zumba_addict> ok
1359[20:05:36] <altker128> zumba_addict: I don't know what Bunsen Linux is. If you do a Debian installation you get that option as part of the installer.
1360[20:05:55] <zumba_addict> i'll show a pic of my bunsenlabs on debian 8 and my new one on debian 9. Both running openbox
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1362[20:06:53] <mason> altker128: I looked it up. Debian downstream it seems.
1363[20:07:02] <altker128> Hrm. When I do an apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, I see :
1364[20:07:03] <altker128> The following packages have been kept back:
1365[20:07:05] <altker128> linux-image-amd64
1366[20:07:39] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
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1368[20:08:12] <mason> zumba_addict: Top picture seems a bit cleaner to my eye.
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1370[20:08:31] <mason> zumba_addict: I'd add xclock and call it done.
1371[20:08:37] <zumba_addict> :D
1372[20:09:00] <zumba_addict> i'll it a little beautiful plus it's still extremely fast
1373[20:09:13] <zumba_addict> lol. I mean, I still like it a little ....
1374[20:09:51] <altker128> zumba_addict: That looks like MATE or GNOME?
1375[20:10:02] <altker128> zumba_addict: I'd do apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
1376[20:10:27] <zumba_addict> i'll check what is installed and use that as grep pattern search
1377[20:10:29] <zumba_addict> thanks
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1379[20:11:22] <zumba_addict> that showed up :)
1380[20:11:30] <zumba_addict> checking it on the other one
1381[20:11:57] <zumba_addict> it's also installed. It's just a matter of turning it on. How?
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1384[20:12:39] <mason> zumba_addict: Usually you pick your session type from whatever you've chosen as a display manager. Alternately, just run something like XDM and run whatever via ~/.xsession.
1385[20:13:14] <zumba_addict> i created an ~/.xsession earlier and put fluxbox
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1387[20:13:22] <zumba_addict> that was also very fast
1388[20:13:34] <zumba_addict> but appearance was also very simple
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1390[20:14:25] <mason> I wanted to get into Fluxbox but I didn't see a way to control their tabs from the keyboard.
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1392[20:17:47] <zumba_addict> got it
1393[20:18:00] <zumba_addict> I switched back to fluxbox. I think it's good for now
1394[20:18:11] <zumba_addict> it's very simple and I do have a taskbar
1395[20:19:46] <sethkush> Does anyone know how to rename wifi devices in Stretch? I've created .link files in /etc/systemd/network/ but the names don't change
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1397[20:20:36] <zumba_addict> this is so weird. Suddenly, I have icons now
1398[20:20:43] <zumba_addict> i'm still in fluxbox
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1400[20:22:08] <zumba_addict> what could I be running now? ps ax|grep flux is shows it as a process. It's still fast - replaced-url
1401[20:22:55] <zumba_addict> i right clicked and it's saying XFCE
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1404[20:23:31] <zumba_addict> why is it faster now?
1405[20:24:29] <zumba_addict> check this out - replaced-url
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1411[20:30:48] <AeCEgGfTv5> help
1412[20:30:59] <AeCEgGfTv5> I'm trying to add test.mydomain.com to bind9 to point to 192.168.1.30
1413[20:31:07] <AeCEgGfTv5> i'm a bit confused by the tutorial
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1416[20:33:42] <altker128> jgkamat: I updated debian kernel and used the Sun JRE 1.8 you pointed me to ; same hardlock
1417[20:33:58] <jgkamat> ah, that's unfortunate, I have no idea then :/
1418[20:34:07] <zumba_addict> edit it to your zone file AeCEgGfTv5
1419[20:34:27] <AeCEgGfTv5> what do I specify in the zone file?
1420[20:34:45] <zumba_addict> some it's in /var/named/some/path it's been more than 15 years that I last touched named
1421[20:35:04] <zumba_addict> open up one example like the localhost
1422[20:35:19] <zumba_addict> cp it, edit your named.conf to point to the new file, etc
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1424[20:35:37] <AeCEgGfTv5> yes I did it
1425[20:35:46] <AeCEgGfTv5> but how do I point test.mydomain.com to 192.168.1.30
1426[20:35:57] <AeCEgGfTv5> @ IN NS localhost. <--- what do I chang ethat to
1427[20:36:00] <zumba_addict> then i guess, named restart or service named restart or systemctl stop and also start named if it exists
1428[20:36:08] <zumba_addict> it's an A record
1429[20:36:17] <zumba_addict> you need to read more about Bind
1430[20:36:21] <zumba_addict> specifically DNS
1431[20:37:07] <zumba_addict> you can make up your own domain for your internal network
1432[20:37:11] <zumba_addict> example.com
1433[20:38:06] <zumba_addict> AeCEgGfTv5 do you know which tcp/udp port it uses?
1434[20:38:59] <AeCEgGfTv5> 53?
1435[20:39:03] <zumba_addict> cool
1436[20:39:11] <zumba_addict> just wanted to know if you did some reading :)
1437[20:39:18] <AeCEgGfTv5> so @ IN NS test.mydomain.com ?
1438[20:39:19] <zumba_addict> then continue reading about configurations
1439[20:39:37] <AeCEgGfTv5> i'll read later
1440[20:40:15] <zumba_addict> cool
1441[20:40:20] <zumba_addict> this is what I used long time ago - replaced-url
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1444[20:44:07] <msl09> every now and then when I plug and unplug an earphone the sound becomes garbled (full of noise)
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1446[20:44:23] <msl09> anyone knows why that happens?
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1448[20:48:07] <altker128> msl09: That's probably hardware & SW dependant. i.e. what CODEC?
1449[20:48:34] <msl09> how do I do that?
1450[20:48:55] <msl09> find that
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1453[20:50:42] <linuxvorpal> probably more to do with pulse
1454[20:51:01] <linuxvorpal> look at your settings in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
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1457[20:56:17] <AeCEgGfTv5> omg it worked
1458[20:56:21] <AeCEgGfTv5> wow
1459[20:56:52] <altker128> Is anyone in here running their own compiled kernel vs. the Debian kernel?
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1477[21:15:43] <msl09> linuxvorpal, it's all commented
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1481[21:17:20] <mischief> hello, dhcpcd doesn't insert search into resolv.conf. i'm using dhcpcd.
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1483[21:19:03] <AeCEgGfTv5> it's probably because of dhcp client conf
1484[21:19:13] <AeCEgGfTv5> your ISP maybe pushing it's DNS server into resolv.conf
1485[21:19:35] <AeCEgGfTv5> i had to use the supersede option to override it so that the correct nameservers were put on resolv.conf
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1491[21:22:12] <AeCEgGfTv5> "/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, I had to add supersede domain-name-servers <coma seperated ip of nameservers>;"
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1493[21:23:24] <mischief> my dhcp server serves the correct option - i just configured it to do so.
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1496[21:23:53] <mischief> the option is requested by dhcpcd, however when resolvconf is executed, no search domain is in /etc/resolv.conf
1497[21:24:06] <mischief> and i can't discern where it gets lost in this mess of shell scripts.
1498[21:24:12] <mischief> curse you roy marples!
1499[21:25:01] <AeCEgGfTv5> my dhcp server's options are overriden by dhclient
1500[21:25:09] <AeCEgGfTv5> in the resolveconf
1501[21:25:23] <AeCEgGfTv5> unless i set the supersede option in dhclient
1502[21:25:45] <mischief> ostensibly, i don't want to do a local override, because dhcp should simply work.
1503[21:25:49] <AeCEgGfTv5> i think it's because even though you are running dhcp server, you still use dhclient to get IP/DNS info from the ISP
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1505[21:26:10] <mischief> this has nothing todo with my isp. this is all private lan, controlled by me.
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1507[21:26:48] <linuxvorpal> @msl09, pulseaudio --dump-resample-methods
1508[21:27:04] <linuxvorpal> pick one and try them out till you get one that sounds good
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1510[21:28:49] <AeCEgGfTv5> your resolvconf file is being overriden
1511[21:29:16] <AeCEgGfTv5> at least this is what happened with my server
1512[21:30:00] <mischief> what
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1514[21:31:44] <AeCEgGfTv5> my server, when it got it's IP (and nameserver information), the dhclient overwrite resolvconf with that information.
1515[21:32:09] <AeCEgGfTv5> dhcp server first puts its nameserver information on resolvconf...but then it's overwritten by the server'
1516[21:32:18] <AeCEgGfTv5> dhclient when it gets the IP info from the ISP
1517[21:32:28] <AeCEgGfTv5> this is what happening in your case too probably
1518[21:32:53] <mischief> i think you do not understand my problem
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1520[21:34:54] <msl09> \msg dpkg paste
1521[21:36:07] <msl09> linuxvorpal, replaced-url
1522[21:36:19] <msl09> ah sorry
1523[21:36:25] <msl09> I didn't read the second message
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1539[21:54:42] <mischief> problem solved.
1540[21:54:48] <mischief> search is not set if it equals domain.
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1557[22:18:23] <tristero> I have a wired desktop on my home network that I always want to have the same IP address, but I still want to use DHCP for it (the DHCP server does the right thing based on its MAC address). But when the desktop comes up (after a power failure) before the DHCP server, it's not waiting long enough; it goes into multi-user mode with no IP address. What's the right way to make it wait long enough? I see an
1558[22:18:26] <tristero> undocumented WAIT_ONLINE_METHOD var in /etc/default/networking that looks promising. Do I even still need ifupdown on a systemd system?
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1565[22:29:22] <at0m> tristero: i use static IP on my lan, dhcp reservation in the router for fallback. in case of reinstall or so. would that cut it for you? or you need the dhcpd to deliver other services than just IP, say discovered services or DNS?
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1572[22:37:06] <tristero> at0m: I'm effectively using static IP too, just administering it centrally at the DHCP server rather than on each host; I'd like to keep that part. It looks like systemd doesn't need ifupdown any more, so I'm going to experiment with that
1573[22:39:20] <at0m> tristero: if the DHCP hands out a fixed IP to clients, clients do DHCP. they have a static IP when the IP is set locally on the client.
1574[22:39:41] <at0m> or, it's not even a client then, is it
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1576[22:40:15] <frederickson> at0m: and setting static IP's on hosts is a management nightmare.
1577[22:40:49] <at0m> for a home network?
1578[22:40:53] <frederickson> you have to buy like three additional nigger slaves per thousand clients to maintain the capacity to program them all back in when upgrading OS
1579[22:41:00] <frederickson> at0m: oh nvm
1580[22:41:09] <frederickson> i thought you meant enterprise networks
1581[22:41:17] <at0m> i'm my own slave =)
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1583[22:41:24] <frederickson> i am elite troll
1584[22:41:26] <frederickson> heil hitler
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1587[22:41:53] <p0lyph3m> hehehe
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1591[22:45:06] <RoyK> tristero: just keep a list in dns or otherwise for the static addresses and exclude the range frm dhcp
1592[22:46:06] <tristero> gentlepeople, the DHCP server and IP address assignment is not my problem. I just want to make Debian DHCP client machines wait long enough (indefinitely?) for their addresses, not give up too soon.
1593[22:46:07] <RoyK> so that if the dhcp server is offline, the machines come up as normal
1594[22:46:44] <RoyK> tristero: guess writing wrapper and using that with systemd would be simple
1595[22:46:59] <RoyK> I still don't see why you won't use a static ip
1596[22:50:55] <tristero> I have a big network, so it's a pain to administer each device separately
1597[22:53:16] <RoyK> I use static IP on servers and dhcp on the rest - less points of failure
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1600[22:55:57] <pingfloyd> set dhcp reservation for the servers
1601[22:56:32] <RoyK> and then the dhcp server goes down and you need to restart something…
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1606[23:01:21] <RoyK> the ISC DHCP server supports cluster setups, though - works well
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