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• 1[00:00:17] <rustbuckett> hxmuller: so moving that line fixes it for non-login shells? interesting. i thought they were both only loaded at login, but it makes sense now that .bashrc would load whenever bash loads while .profile would only load on actual login.
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• 6[00:01:11] <rustbuckett> duly noted
• 7[00:01:31] <hxmuller> rustbucket: yes, moving it from .profile to .bashrc gets it done right
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• 10[00:01:58] <rustbuckett> yay! i learned a thing!
• 11[00:02:19] <hxmuller> right, you can test it easily by Ctrl-Alt-F1 to a console, and comparing with a termminal in X
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• 17[00:08:34] <rustbuckett> lol! cool! works in screen too. i just tried it.
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• 19[00:09:33] <rustbuckett> the environment var that i added in .bashrc showed up in the new window, but the .profile env var didn't
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• 37[00:25:33] <darkrocket> looking for assistance with debian 4.9 and nvidia drivers
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• 39[00:26:41] <annadane> 4.9 is ancient, do you mean 9.4?
• 40[00:26:48] <annadane> oh, kernel?
• 41[00:26:53] <annadane> !ask
• 42[00:26:53] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 43[00:27:04] <sakax> darkrocket, did you follow replaced-url
• 44[00:27:27] <sakax> ooo 4.9
• 45[00:27:33] <darkrocket> sakax, looking now
• 46[00:27:35] <sakax> holy shit :D
• 47[00:27:51] <sakax> but the wiki is not for Debian 4
• 48[00:27:53] <sakax> be careful
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• 51[00:28:20] <annadane> i have to assume they mean the kernel
• 52[00:28:22] <darkrocket> well uname -a states 4.9.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-1 (2018-07-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 53[00:28:27] <annadane> yeah, kernel
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• 55[00:28:49] <annadane> darkrocket, you can install nvidia-detect and it'll tell you which one fits your card
• 56[00:28:58] <darkrocket> still new to a base debian install, been using mint
• 57[00:29:09] <darkrocket> ok ty annadane
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• 59[00:29:41] <darkrocket> is that a basic apt install?
• 60[00:29:54] <annadane> it is
• 61[00:30:02] <annadane> you need to add contrib and non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 63[00:30:16] <darkrocket> ok
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• 65[00:30:54] <annadane> every line that starts with "deb". put them next to main
• 66[00:30:57] <annadane> main contrib non-free
• 67[00:31:16] <annadane> and apt update
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• 70[00:33:53] <darkrocket> nvidia-detect just says install nvidia-driver, will a reboot be necessary for it to take effect?
• 71[00:34:04] <darkrocket> nm
• 72[00:34:19] <annadane> well, when you install it you will need to reboot, yes
• 73[00:34:23] <annadane> nvidia-driver, that is
• 74[00:34:25] <darkrocket> ty
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• 82[00:39:15] <mcordingley> Hi again hxmuller, did you get a chance to look over those logs?
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• 84[00:40:50] <hxmuller> mcordingley: no, my machine must have been sleeping when you pasted the logs (this was htpc X problem right?), repaste and I'll take a look
• 85[00:41:22] <mcordingley> Sure. Here's lsmod: replaced-url
• 86[00:41:46] <mcordingley> Yup. HTPC issue. Looks like something to do with video drivers.
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• 100[00:52:13] <hxmuller> mcordingley: reviewing ...
• 101[00:52:37] <mcordingley> Much appreciated.
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• 111[01:03:11] <hxmuller> mcordingley: think this is your problem too: replaced-url
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• 113[01:04:18] <hxmuller> mcordingley: when grub loads, select the 4.9 kernel and see if it works
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• 115[01:04:55] <hxmuller> I'm assuming you installed stable then upgraded to testing, which means your 4.9 kernel should still be there
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• 117[01:06:21] <mcordingley> hxmuller: I did, but I also try to keep up with clearing out old kernels. I do still have 4.16 on there, and it only stopped working about a week ago.
• 118[01:06:27] <mcordingley> I think that's about when 4.17 hit.
• 119[01:06:40] <mcordingley> Will attempt to reboot onto 4.16 to see if that makes a difference.
• 120[01:09:49] <mcordingley> hxmuller: no dice
• 121[01:11:10] <hxmuller> how are you connecting to the box to retrieve logs?
• 122[01:12:00] <mcordingley> SSH
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• 124[01:12:23] <hxmuller> how often was the box rebooted?
• 125[01:12:44] <mcordingley> Historically? About once a week or so.
• 126[01:12:59] <mcordingley> Could have been up for a few weeks, tops.
• 127[01:13:00] <hxmuller> so it had been rebooted and used 4.16 successfully
• 128[01:13:04] <mcordingley> Correct.
• 129[01:13:19] <mcordingley> 4.16 seems to have been around for a while.
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• 131[01:14:06] <mcordingley> I have the suspicion that some update pulled in nvidia packages on me about when it stopped working.
• 132[01:14:35] <mcordingley> I made sure to purge those and follow the guidelines for moving from nvidia to nouveau, but that hasn't done anything for me.
• 133[01:15:24] <hxmuller> it's using nouveau
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• 138[01:17:48] <mcordingley> hxmuller: As it should be. I did just notice something interesting in the logs. Not sure if it's meaningful.
• 139[01:17:49] <aphorise> I'm trying to get debian installed on my lg v30 is there any good guide I can follow? - I see a lot of differnt approaches / apps being recommended to do this without rooting.
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• 141[01:18:47] <mcordingley> Xorg.0.log tells me "[ 2647.613] (II) [drm] nouveau interface version: 1.3.1" but then Xorg.1.log tells me "[ 15277.663] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied" That seems like a version mismatch.
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• 143[01:19:39] <mcordingley> I am mixing in Unstable to get access to Firefox, but I'm also setting the default release to buster so that I don't get anything I don't explicitly ask for pulled in.
• 144[01:20:10] <hxmuller> mcordingley: why is it starting a second X server?
• 145[01:20:32] <mcordingley> hxmuller: Don't know. The output is over HDMI, so it could be picking up that port as a secondary monitor?
• 146[01:21:52] <mcordingley> Xorg.1.log: replaced-url
• 147[01:23:26] <hxmuller> take a look at ps aux and grep Xorg
• 148[01:23:39] <hxmuller> dinner time, back in a bit
• 149[01:24:02] <mcordingley> Output: "/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch"
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• 151[01:24:26] <mcordingley> hxmuller: Thanks. I'll also step away. I think I need to walk my four-year old.
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• 161[01:45:56] <hxmuller> mcordingly: the Xorg.1.log is over a year old, so it's not contributing to your problem
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• 172[01:56:42] <Heston> hey rant, any luck?
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• 176[02:01:06] <darkrocket> annadane, computer completely flipped out, I got the uh oh something went wrong error, however I managed my way through some google magic to get back to gui, but still no secondary monitor, what info needs to be provided for help, tia
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• 179[02:02:47] <annadane> put on paste.debian.net your xorg log i guess, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
• 180[02:02:51] <annadane> or .xsession-errors
• 181[02:03:00] <annadane> maybe also dmesg?
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• 183[02:03:05] <annadane> i'm not being terribly helpful
• 184[02:03:14] <darkrocket> lol, ok
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• 189[02:05:13] <darkrocket> annadane, xorg log, replaced-url
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• 191[02:08:10] <darkrocket> annadane, dmesg, replaced-url
• 192[02:09:10] <hxmuller> mccordingley: try booting the box with nomodeset added to the kernel boot parameters
• 193[02:09:24] <hxmuller> mcordingley: ^^^
• 194[02:09:53] <darkrocket> hxmuller, excuse my ignorance, how would one do so?
• 195[02:10:54] <hxmuller> once you get to grub prompt, type e for edit then add to the linux line
• 196[02:11:09] <darkrocket> ok ty
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• 198[02:11:26] <hxmuller> but he's going to have to add it to /etc/default/grub and run update-grub, because he's sshing into the box
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• 205[02:17:32] <darkrocket> hxmuller, should this have fixed the issue with not having the secondary monitor not being recognized?
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• 207[02:19:46] <hxmuller> darkrocket: no, I am checking to see if he gets output to his monitor through efifb instead of nouveau
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• 209[02:20:56] <darkrocket> hxmuller, maybe I jumped into another convo, Im in need of help with my monitors..lol
• 210[02:21:22] <darkrocket> im also on an optimus setup
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• 212[02:23:20] <hxmuller> darkrocket: I don't do optimus anymore, I retired that laptop a couple years back. you might get some help on #bumblebee
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• 214[02:24:17] <darkrocket> ok ty, yeah just installed bumble bee
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• 251[03:23:19] <annadane> are there any packages for more mouse themes in xfce?
• 252[03:24:15] <annadane> wonder if i could install the KDE mouses, i always liked those
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• 254[03:25:04] <rant> annadane: xfce uses gtk, replaced-url
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• 257[03:26:03] <ecbrown> debian stable, fresh kde install. i keep getting an annoying popup that says "authentication is required to refresh packages" every few minutes. any ideas how to fix?
• 258[03:29:05] <ecbrown> "Vendor The PackageKit System"
• 259[03:29:20] <ecbrown> s/system/project
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• 263[03:36:10] <rant> ecbrown: I have no idea, but you can either check KPackagekit/Apper or something like that PackageKit by the look of it is a distro-agnostic frontend for installing software and is a new freedesktop effort to simplify installing of software and make it integrate with various Dekstop Environments
• 264[03:37:12] <rant> ecbrown: I'm willing to bet it uses polkit for auth and depending on what your aim is I may be able to offer limited help with things like removing packagekit if you dont want it, or configuring polkit to allow your user passwordless access
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• 266[03:37:34] <giaco> hello!
• 267[03:37:49] <ecbrown> rant: this makes sense. let me see what if i can do something with your suggestions
• 268[03:39:43] <giaco> Could you please help me overcoming an issue while trying to ./debootstrap --arch=mipsel buster /mnt/hdd/debian/root replaced-url
• 269[03:39:49] <rant> ecbrown: also note this support channel is largely long time experienced debian users as this is a legacy support channel, Debian officially moved to the OFTC network.. because of this fact, not many of us use the more bloated/polished DEs and can't support them very well. there are specific channels on OFTC for debian-gnome, debian-kde, etc where you could get more specific help with those
• 270[03:40:16] <giaco> Problem is it is failing to download every single package
• 271[03:40:19] <rant> giaco: possibly first you gotta tell us what the issue IS
• 272[03:40:39] <giaco> rant: calm down please, I was writing
• 273[03:40:39] <ecbrown> rant: right, thanks for the info
• 274[03:40:43] <rant> giaco: failing how? 404? Connection timed out?
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• 277[03:41:23] <rant> giaco: you were indeed, but you asked a useless question first. :P you could've just been more specific to begin with :P
• 278[03:41:29] <giaco> rant: I: Checking component main on replaced-url
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• 280[03:42:20] <rant> giaco: have you tried a different mirror? like replaced-url
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• 282[03:43:27] <giaco> rant: yes, I've used replaced-url
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• 284[03:44:19] <rant> giaco: well we've long since told peopl to stop using those ftp.foo.debian.org mirrors is why I mention it
• 285[03:46:25] <giaco> ... validating packages ... blah blah ... resolving dependencies of [required|base] packages .... blah blah ... got list of dependencies .... while :; retrying ... validating .... Couldn't download package libacl1 (ver 2.2.52-3+b1 arch mipsel) ...
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• 287[03:47:27] <giaco> rant: if I copy the very same line echoed by the script and I do wget replaced-url
• 288[03:47:54] <rant> yeah I was just about to say its probably the verifying that is the problem
• 289[03:49:11] <giaco> rant: please consider that I am trying to bootstrap in hard mode from a difficult environment. I had to cross compile pkgdetails manually for mips and wget is the busybox one
• 290[03:49:47] <rant> giaco: yeah, its probably failing to verify the signature of the packages..
• 291[03:50:15] <giaco> also bash is the busybox one
• 292[03:50:55] <giaco> rant: how can I help debootstrap to overcome this? Providing a real mips bash? Real wget?
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• 294[03:51:34] <rant> giaco: you could try with --verbose to get more info or with some of the options to disable the checking if you dont care about verifying the packages
• 295[03:52:08] <rant> giaco: we dont know without knowing what exactly the problem is. you either gotta use trial and error or get more information
• 296[03:52:32] <rant> there are several debootstrap options to disable checking of various signatures/certificates
• 297[03:52:51] <rant> if using those works, you know that was the problem.. else you can ask for more verbosity to figure out whats going on
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• 299[03:52:53] <giaco> rant: ok, give me a second I have debootstrap bash code under inspection
• 300[03:53:15] <rant> giaco: are you using debootstrap on a Debian Stretch system?
• 301[03:53:35] <giaco> rant: no
• 302[03:54:32] <rant> well if you are using testing/unstable 1) you're in the wrong channel, 2) its likely you do have bugs in debootstrap, and 3) you should've checked the BTS and known how to resolve these sorts of issues like using a --verbose option
• 303[03:54:56] <rant> if you're not using Debian then you're just plain in the wrong channel :P
• 304[03:55:46] <rant> but being that you can hit the mirror and d/l the package manualy and it says verifying and retrying.. that the problem is related to verifying the packages not downloading them
• 305[03:56:04] <giaco> rant: 1) this bug does is not dependent on the debian version pulled down from debootstrap, it is not pulling down anything 2) not a debootstrapbug 3) sure, but it seemes to me an uncommon problem
• 306[03:56:28] <rant> no the problem is on the host running debootstrap
• 307[03:56:35] <rant> and we support Debian stable here..
• 308[03:57:02] <rant> so if you're not running deboostrap provided by and run on a Debian stable, then its not really within the scope of this channel
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• 310[03:58:10] <giaco> rant: ok. I can turn debootstrap to pull debian stable, but I canno do the second part. So thank you for your support, bothering no more
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• 312[04:05:33] <Heston> rant, did ya get that luks partition working?
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• 314[04:05:59] <rant> Heston: when you left, that freed me up to procrastinate on it :P
• 315[04:06:19] <rant> right now I'm eating a frosty from wendy's still wondering the same thing myself
• 316[04:06:27] <Heston> you're quite the procrastinator eh
• 317[04:07:25] <rant> have been ever since I heard the great contemporary philosopher Ellen Degeneres say "procrastinate now, or you'll never get around to it" and I thought . o O (hmm, that makes sense..)
• 318[04:09:25] <rant> I already had the chroot open in my terminal with everything bind mouted hours ago.. I just never edited /etc/default/grub and ran grub-install /dev/sdc and rebooted :P
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• 320[04:09:51] <Heston> ah well cmon, it'll take 2 minutes
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• 325[04:15:39] <mcordingley> hxmuller: Just got back. Will attempt a nomodeset.
• 326[04:20:37] <mcordingley> Hmm, stuck on a flashing caret instead of watching the boot process.
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• 328[04:20:47] <mcordingley> Curiously, I'm still able to SSH in.
• 329[04:22:20] <mcordingley> dmesg output looks fine, aside from FS-Cache complaining about a duplicate cookie at the end.
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• 332[04:24:00] <rant> a duplicate cookie is nothing to complain about.. just eat it.. or share :P
• 333[04:25:44] <giaco> rant: FYI debootstrap has no option to skip checksum verification, just one to skip the repository gpg key one
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• 338[04:30:43] <rant> giaco: it also has an option to skip certificates
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• 346[04:35:31] <rant> Heston: it didn't work.. I figured out I can just chmod -x the files in /etc/grub.d/ to keep it from putting the other system in the bootloader i.e. chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober and putting the cryptdevice thing in /etc/default/grub results in it adding that to the menu entries, but it still gives up searching for root and drops me in initramfs saying it can't find any partition with that UUID
• 347[04:36:17] <Heston> rant, hmm and did you try swapping the UUIDs for root and cryptodevice?
• 348[04:36:23] <rant> I dont think double checking the UUID for root is necessary as grub is auto-detecting that.. so I guess I need to read up on that cryptroot param and whatever stuff is done in initrd for unlocking the cryptroot
• 349[04:37:04] <rant> Heston: no, grub automatically sets root= to the actual rootfs. I just added the cryptsetup=/dev/disk..blah..:root to commandline linux in /etc/default/grub
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• 351[04:37:25] <rant> I didn't copy/paste your suggestion just added that one part to the commandline in that config
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• 353[04:39:40] <mcordingley> hxmuller: Xorg.0.log tells me "Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices"
• 354[04:40:08] <rant> anything in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in /etc/default/grub gets added by any entries triggered in /etc/grub.d/10_linux to the command line so I just added the cryptdev thing there
• 355[04:40:25] <rant> with the uuid of the luks device and :root
• 356[04:40:33] <Heston> hmm
• 357[04:41:19] <rant> I guess that cryptdevice thing is in the kernel documentation
• 358[04:41:21] <rant> I'll have to go read up on it
• 359[04:42:36] <Heston> and you have the dm-crypt kernel module loaded?
• 360[04:42:56] <rant> being that luks is a kernel thing and these are kernel params, and initrd is a kernel thing I'd think this is all a kernel documentation issue
• 361[04:43:11] <rant> not unless its enabled by default in debian kernel's initrd
• 362[04:43:27] <rant> I did no modification of the stock stretch initrd
• 363[04:43:36] <Heston> everytime ive installed, i had to manually select it
• 364[04:44:07] <Heston> but that may have been for the installer only
• 365[04:44:08] <rant> this install was done via deboostrap.. it was all manual
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• 367[04:44:19] <rant> idk where you'd have "selected" it
• 368[04:44:22] <rant> but I'
• 369[04:44:34] <rant> I'm sure I wouldnt have had that step as it was a manual install
• 370[04:44:41] <Heston> i do expert graphical installs
• 371[04:44:55] <rant> idk if it was perhaps part of the debconf for initramfs-tools or what
• 372[04:44:58] <giaco> rant: I've overcome the verification problem, but I've just found out that any static mipsel binary downloaded from debian stable repository returns "illegal instruction" on my mipsel soc. But it I cross compile manually some C code using mipsel-linux-gnu-gcc from a debian stable machine it works
• 373[04:45:00] <Heston> but anyways, id just check for that kernel module
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• 375[04:46:21] <rant> giaco: thats rather odd.. you should probably head over to OFTC as freenode only has this channel which is a legacy channel of Debian stable users supporting debian stable.. the devs and all the extra channels listed on debian.org are now on OFTC where you're likely to get more help
• 376[04:47:00] <rant> Heston: yeah I have no idea how to do that.. I'll have to look into it.. I always built my kernels without initrd or used the debian ones as-is I know nothing about working with initrd
• 377[04:47:50] <Heston> lsmod | grep dm-crypt
• 378[04:48:49] <Heston> yeah I don't have it loaded by default on my system
• 379[04:49:04] <rant> I dont think you know what we're talking about here
• 380[04:49:23] <rant> the issue is the rootfs is not being found.. which means we're still in initrd before a pivot_root
• 381[04:49:26] <rant> there is no lsmod
• 382[04:49:41] <rant> initramfs is a cramfs image loaded before any of that even exists
• 383[04:49:52] <giaco> rant: thank you
• 384[04:51:00] <Heston> you'd be checking in a initramfs rescue shell
• 385[04:51:08] <Heston> replaced-url
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• 389[04:58:48] <rant> hmm lemme try that.. I didnt think you could actually make changes to initrd from there.. figured Id want to mount it from a running system to change it
• 390[04:59:35] <rant> but as I said my knowledge of initrd is elementary.. I always built my own kernels without support for it and this is the first time I've ever used a cryptroot which requires initrd afaik
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• 394[05:01:58] <Heston> can almost guarantee you dont have dm-crypt loaded
• 395[05:04:19] <rant> no it wasn't loaded, cryptd, aesni..etc were but not dm-crypt
• 396[05:05:51] <rant> not sure how to change that offhand but thats the problem I guess
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• 398[05:09:27] <rant> I guess I add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules then dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools and it'll rebuild
• 399[05:11:49] <rant> hmm I guess I could just run update-initramfs too
• 400[05:13:05] <rant> yeah that worked I believe cause I didnt bind /dev /proc and /sys and got warnings about it not being able to find the UUID for the luks device when rebuilding the initramfs
• 401[05:19:09] <rant> Heston: replaced-url
• 402[05:19:41] <rant> thats where I am at right now, not sure about that.. it seems more like warnings, so it may or may not be bootable right now :P
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• 405[05:20:51] <rant> seems I deleted the line where I actually mounted the cryptroot on /mnt there :P
• 406[05:22:16] <Heston> oh, so you are able to actually mount it
• 407[05:23:33] <rant> yeah from my other install :P
• 408[05:23:51] <rant> I got this Stretch on the SSD on /dev/sda
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• 410[05:24:19] <rant> the install I'm working on is on the SATA HDD hooked up via USB on /dev/sdc
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• 417[05:29:48] <Heston> rant, I'm really not familiar with initramfs
• 418[05:30:54] <Heston> but if you're successfully able to mount it, then there's an incorrect line being passed
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• 422[05:37:40] * rant feels like a narcolyptic indomnisv
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• 424[05:38:09] <rant> insomniac*
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• 427[05:38:59] <Heston> the question is, what's the exact command generating `cryptsetup: WARNING: Invalid source device UUID="6eb96dda-efd3-40df-890b-afd3b87bcca8"`
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• 429[05:40:19] <rant> idk.. whatever update-initramfs -u does :P
• 430[05:40:43] <doubledutch> Heston: is AUFS involved?
• 431[05:44:00] <Heston> not that I'm aware
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• 447[06:01:14] <rant> it keeps repeating (cryptsetup) lvm not available now when it boots
• 448[06:01:42] <rant> idk what f'n crackpipe debian devs were smoking when they made lvm have anything to do with luks
• 449[06:02:44] <rant> this is part of the reason why I was doing this manually cause the debian installers idea of crypto is convoluted
• 450[06:04:06] <rant> why not just load ntfskern and truecrypt too while we're at it..
• 451[06:04:46] <rant> there is no lvm on my system so no need for lvm to be available
• 452[06:05:00] <rant> its just a damn crypt container with ext4 inside
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• 457[06:08:41] <Heston> maybe that's how it makes the encrypted partition a container? How did you create the encrypted partition in the first place
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• 459[06:09:32] <rant> like a normal non-crack-smoking-individual with cryptsetup luksFormat :P
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• 462[06:11:13] <COOurb> hi
• 463[06:11:23] <COOurb> I have problem with wifi configuration
• 464[06:11:28] <doubledutch> !ask
• 465[06:11:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 466[06:11:35] <COOurb> I don't use network-manager oe wicd
• 467[06:11:58] <doubledutch> COOurb: you are using wicd? What are you trying and what are you getting?
• 468[06:12:04] <COOurb> nope
• 469[06:12:19] <COOurb> ok, I added these strings to interfaces
• 470[06:12:20] <COOurb> auto wlx88d7f6a3c9fc
• 471[06:12:21] <COOurb> iface wlx88d7f6a3c9fc inet dhcp
• 472[06:12:21] <COOurb> wpa-ssid myWiFiSSID
• 473[06:12:21] <COOurb> wpa-psk myPass
• 474[06:12:21] *** COOurb was kicked by debhelper (flood)
• 475[06:12:24] <rant> heh
• 476[06:12:39] <doubledutch> Have you tried the package ceni
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• 478[06:12:43] <COOurb> damn
• 479[06:12:48] <rant> you can both stop
• 480[06:12:56] <doubledutch> Have you tried the package ceni?
• 481[06:13:23] <COOurb> Can't fint it
• 482[06:13:23] <doubledutch> rant: !ask is a popular function used to educate the general chat. I am not spamming, rather actively attempting to support COOurb
• 483[06:14:13] <rant> I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the poll of using another package
• 484[06:14:18] <COOurb> So, i added wpa-ssid and wpa-psk in interfaces file
• 485[06:14:40] <rant> they obviously wanna use wpasupplicat via interfaces
• 486[06:14:50] <doubledutch> i asked if he has tried it because wpasupp isnt naming his interface
• 487[06:15:04] <doubledutch> I will stop, all yours rant
• 488[06:16:00] <rant> yes I am half asleep and dealing with crazy on this end but I already saw whats wrong here
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• 490[06:16:04] <COOurb> wifi adapter is supported and firmware is installed
• 491[06:16:08] <imp> hello there. Seems debian isn't able to find my local windows partition during update-grub any ideas in how to force it?
• 492[06:16:16] <noahmg123> This may not be a debian issue, but, all of a sudden, geolocation is being screwy. GNOME, when set to automatic time-zone it setting my time zone to CDT (I'm in EST) and the Google Maps website has put me smack dab in the middle of the United States, or a few miles off of where I actually am. This has never happened before.
• 493[06:16:19] <rant> yes but your commands in interfaces are wrong
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• 496[06:16:33] <rant> imp: is os-prober installed?
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• 499[06:16:54] <imp> yes.
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• 501[06:17:06] <Heston> rant, heh well it looks like install lvm will fix it
• 502[06:17:19] <Heston> installing
• 503[06:17:21] <rant> Heston: yes but it shouldnt be required as I'm not using lvm
• 504[06:17:29] <Heston> idk man
• 505[06:17:44] <COOurb> my commands are wrong?
• 506[06:18:10] <COOurb> I used this as reference replaced-url
• 507[06:18:14] <rant> COOurb: yes if you put you actuall password on the wpa-psk line, then yes
• 508[06:18:38] <imp> is a nvme device. not sd* one.
• 509[06:18:50] <COOurb> So what should I put there and where should i put actuall password?
• 510[06:19:13] <rant> COOurb: you put the actual password into wpa_supplicant and it gives you the psk to put there
• 511[06:19:35] <rant> COOurb: run wpa_passphrase myssid my_very_secret_passphrase
• 512[06:19:46] <rant> and it will generate the psk to put in the interfaces file
• 513[06:19:53] <COOurb> sec, need to check if it installed
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• 516[06:21:36] <Heston> rant, looks like it might be a new kernel bug
• 517[06:22:06] <COOurb> it doesn't know "wpa"
• 518[06:22:17] <Heston> replaced-url
• 519[06:23:59] <rant> Heston: idk, could be.. but lvm shouldnt be required to merely use cryptsetup/luks because normal people don't use lvm with that :P
• 520[06:24:27] <rant> COOurb: wpa_passphrase there is an underscore there
• 521[06:24:38] <COOurb> o, now i see
• 522[06:24:50] <rant> its part of wpa_supplicant
• 523[06:25:05] <rant> which for w/e reason the assclown made all the tools have an underscore to confuse people :P
• 524[06:25:09] <Heston> rant, that's what's being implied. Older kernels are working just find without lvm
• 525[06:25:26] <Heston> fine*
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• 528[06:25:48] <rant> Heston: well I guess we know we can work around it by unnecessarily installing lvm.. unless its been fixed then just updating to stretch-backports kernel may resolve it
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• 530[06:27:09] <Heston> I doubt it's fixed, only confirmed in April, 2018
• 531[06:27:36] <rant> Heston: heh, you been using linux only since then? Thats like 10 years ago in FOSS dev time
• 532[06:30:00] <COOurb> So should I use quotes around ssid?
• 533[06:30:00] <rant> Heston: there were 5 linux kernel revisions released in the month of April 2018 alone.. and that was months ago
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• 535[06:30:33] <Heston> yeah but debian stable wouldnt be using those
• 536[06:30:41] <rant> COOurb: is your ssid just alphanumeric without spaces? if so, then its not necessary, if it has anyting like spaces or dashes that would be parsed by bash, then yes, absolutely
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• 538[06:30:59] <COOurb> Ahen I run "ifup wifistuff" it prints several times "DHCPDISCOVER on wlx88d7f6a3c9fc to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5"
• 539[06:31:22] <COOurb> then "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
• 540[06:31:40] <COOurb> With wicd it saw all access points
• 541[06:31:54] <COOurb> Also, my wifi-router is hidden
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• 543[06:32:35] <rant> COOurb: do you have anything against using network-manager?
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• 547[06:33:30] <rant> because I been down this road in the last year.. wicd will screw everything up.. make you drop your connection frequently etc... interfaces / wpa_supplicant are less user friendly but will be more stable once you GET connected but will have problems actually getting connected, but network-manager just f'n works
• 548[06:33:47] <rant> network-manager > interfaces > wicd
• 549[06:33:49] <COOurb> Doesn it provide any config file where I can manually configure all stuff i need?
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• 551[06:34:01] <rant> such as?
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• 553[06:34:18] <COOurb> such as interfaces
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• 555[06:34:34] <rant> idk what you mean..
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• 557[06:35:01] <rant> if you're using dhcp doesnt seem like you need to configure anything the d and c in there stand for dynamic and configuration
• 558[06:35:02] <COOurb> Sometimes i won't be able to use GUI
• 559[06:35:06] <rant> which means it configures itself
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• 561[06:35:10] <COOurb> nope
• 562[06:35:13] <rant> network-manager has a cli
• 563[06:35:16] <COOurb> not only DHCP
• 564[06:35:21] <rant> ,i nmcli
• 565[06:35:22] <judd> No package named 'nmcli' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 568[06:36:24] <rant> erm nmcli is part of the network-manager package
• 569[06:36:37] <rant> and it can do static or dynamic configuration
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• 572[06:36:56] <rant> and save connections on a per network basis
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• 575[06:37:22] <rant> and even have priority for connections when multiple are in range, auto or manual connect..etc
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• 577[06:37:36] <rant> otherwise you gotta go through all this manually and debug
• 578[06:37:52] <COOurb> k, will try this stuff. didn't know, but will check it out
• 579[06:37:58] <rant> first associate with iwconfig, wpa_supplicant
• 580[06:38:06] <rant> then dhclient..etc
• 581[06:39:11] <rant> in my personal experience nm works the best so I use that
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• 588[06:51:04] <noahmg123> Gnome's "Auto Time Zone" feature corrects to wrong time zone
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• 596[07:08:45] <Neo> hey everyone if I'm a user (uid/gid 1000) and a member of a group (991) and a folder's permissions are (3775/drwxrwsr-t) - 991:991, why can't I (1000) add files/folders to said directory?
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• 600[07:15:01] <SwedeMike> Neo: hm, I'm a bit rusty here and reading up on this didn't help much, but can you try to do chmod g+S on the directory and see if this yields the desired results?
• 601[07:15:21] <SwedeMike> note the capital S
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• 603[07:16:16] <SwedeMike> Neo: replaced-url
• 604[07:16:35] <Neo> hmm
• 605[07:17:29] <Neo> I was attempting to use the "setgid" stickybit, but that's not really working
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• 608[07:28:05] <SwedeMike> Neo: did you try my suggestion?
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• 617[07:36:19] <COOurb> even with network-manager I can't connect
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• 741[10:23:53] <edarfoc> hi!
• 742[10:24:12] <edarfoc> anyone here with a Dell XPS?
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• 748[10:29:41] <nkuttler> !ask
• 749[10:29:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 757[10:36:31] <edarfoc> well, I just wanted feedback on running Debian stretch on a late 2016 Dell XPS 13
• 758[10:36:59] <edarfoc> whether backports are necessary/recommended
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• 760[10:37:16] <edarfoc> and the user experience overall
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• 763[10:38:53] <edarfoc> I also wanted to know whether the fwupd module for GNOME software is available for firmware updates
• 764[10:40:13] <babilen> I'm using fwupdmgr without problems for updating firmware on some Dell boxes/laptop
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• 766[10:40:43] <babilen> (no XPS around though, but see no inherent reason why that platform shouldn't behave the same)
• 767[10:41:18] <edarfoc> babilen thanks, have you also tried the GNOME software plugin?
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• 771[10:41:56] <Sia-> hi, we need to change the numberic in our keyboard in all linux distros specially debian based. Who are responsible for keyboard layout and where can send them a bug report?
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• 774[10:43:02] <babilen> edarfoc: No, sorry. I don't use GNOME, but simply run fwupdmgr from the command line
• 775[10:43:42] <babilen> dpkg: dell Sia- -about keyboard configuration
• 776[10:43:42] <dpkg> babilen: I wish you would RTFM.
• 777[10:43:47] <babilen> heh
• 778[10:43:51] <babilen> dpkg: tell Sia- -about keyboard configuration
• 779[10:44:09] <babilen> I'm delling you! replaced-url
• 780[10:44:19] <edarfoc> babilen: well that's probably enough, the plugin should then probably work well as long as it's available, I'll check
• 781[10:44:36] <Sia-> babilen, that is not my question at all, thanks anyway
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• 786[10:45:50] <babilen> Sia-: Pity. Looks as if "numberic" threw me off a little
• 787[10:45:58] <babilen> (whatever that might be)
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• 790[10:47:04] <Sia-> then your not forced to answer a question, if you don't understood it.
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• 792[10:47:19] <babilen> So .. what is a "numberic" ?
• 793[10:47:44] <babilen> Either way, read the message again, think about how "dpkg-reconfigure" relates to packages and how packages relate to bug reports
• 794[10:48:04] <babilen> But you seem to be happy if I'm not helping you
• 795[10:48:09] <babilen> So .. good luck!
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• 804[11:03:56] <babilen> dpkg: tell edarfoc -about bdo kernel
• 805[11:04:30] <babilen> edarfoc: I'm not sure you need it, but you might want to try installing a newer kernel from backports and see if that has positive effects on hardware support
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• 809[11:09:09] <babilen> edarfoc: And if you can get hold of lspci output for that box, you can check on replaced-url
• 810[11:09:35] <babilen> Ah .. that looks horrendously outdated by now
• 811[11:10:09] <babilen> sorry
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• 815[11:12:48] <edarfoc> babilen: thanks!
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• 961[13:41:10] <fairway> hello there
• 962[13:41:34] <fairway> I am configuring dovecot on testing at the moment and have the following problem with imapd: dovecot: pop3-login: Error: Failed to initialize SSL server context: Can't load SSL certificate: There is no valid PEM certificate.: user=<>, rip=94.100.147.44, lip=82.220.39.244, session=<ncNJwyFyBONeZJMs>
• 963[13:41:49] <fairway> the certifcate seems to be a valid PEM certificate
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• 969[13:44:37] <shtrb> did you remember to add that CA to your CAs ?
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• 971[13:45:43] <fairway> how do I do that?
• 972[13:46:47] <fairway> I generated it with openssl
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• 974[13:47:55] <Brigo> that user=<> isn't and error, right?
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• 977[13:49:42] <fairway> not that I know off
• 978[13:49:47] <fairway> the same problem was reported here replaced-url
• 979[13:50:08] <fairway> or a similar one ;)
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• 982[13:51:28] <Brigo> fairway, i just configure a mail server from time to time, so i forget who to do it, but when i need to do it again just check replaced-url
• 983[13:51:56] <VicMackey> Hello! I am using the testing branch but there are packages like replaced-url
• 984[13:52:02] <fairway> ok thanks
• 985[13:53:16] <Brigo> ,v pdftk
• 986[13:53:17] <judd> Package: pdftk on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.44-7; jessie: 2.02-2; sid: 2.02-4+b2; stretch: 2.02-4+b2
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• 988[13:54:24] <Brigo> VicMackey, pdftk is in sid, if it is in sid it will reach testing in few day, or maybe it has an important bug stopping it from migrating.
• 989[13:54:36] <Brigo> VicMackey, you can check that in the tracker. tracker.debian.org
• 990[13:54:56] <Brigo> in this case replaced-url
• 991[13:55:00] <VicMackey> Brigo: thank you :) . And what can I do in the meantim?
• 992[13:55:53] <Brigo> VicMackey, wait or help the maintainer.
• 993[13:56:42] <fairway> ssl_cert = </etc/ssl/certs/mailserver.pem
• 994[13:56:51] <fairway> for what stands the < in the config file?
• 995[13:56:56] <fairway> I have never seen that before
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• 998[13:57:38] <Brigo> courier config file?
• 999[13:57:45] <Brigo> VicMackey, the bug: replaced-url
• 1000[13:57:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1001[13:59:49] <VicMackey> Thank you for the info Brigo
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• 1003[14:00:24] <Brigo> VicMackey, mp
• 1004[14:00:27] <Brigo> np*
• 1005[14:00:42] <fairway> dovecot
• 1006[14:02:16] <fairway> is courier recommended over dovecot?
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• 1012[14:05:49] <catbeard> <3 dovecot
• 1013[14:07:00] <Brigo> fairway, sorry i meant dovecot
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• 1050[14:44:39] <zentris> Submitted another concept for buster theme proposal, thoughts? replaced-url
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• 1053[14:46:26] <catbeard> Smooth
• 1054[14:47:31] <zentris> thanks
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• 1077[15:18:03] <tonymke> Isn't there a keyboard shortcut to go from gnome to a tty?
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• 1079[15:19:12] <iTeV> CTRL+ALT+F{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) not working for you?
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• 1089[15:23:31] <tonymke> that's the ticket
• 1090[15:23:52] <rant> heh
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• 1092[15:25:04] <rant> I haven't heard that phrase in a long time
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• 1094[15:25:30] <rant> fwiw there is also a command for it, chvt
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• 1098[15:27:25] <tonymke> nice
• 1099[15:27:47] <tonymke> now I can write new broken xorg.confs even faster
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• 1101[15:29:03] <rant> you do realize its the 21st century right ?
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• 1103[15:29:37] <tonymke> In the 21st century, there's still no way to get two gpus/four displays working without it, it seems.
• 1104[15:29:57] <tonymke> struggled for a few hours yesterday, giving it another go
• 1105[15:31:01] <rant> !xorg.conf
• 1106[15:31:01] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
• 1107[15:31:34] <rant> hmm.. that doesn't mention it, but there is a conf.d/ structure
• 1108[15:32:20] <rant> !xorg.conf.d
• 1109[15:32:20] <dpkg> xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
• 1110[15:32:24] <tonymke> hmm
• 1111[15:33:01] <tonymke> So, once nvidia drivers are installed, it will do the displays on GPU 0 fine, but the ones from GPU 1 are blank
• 1112[15:33:25] <tonymke> So that's led me down this dark path
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• 1114[15:34:40] <tonymke> I can get three... sort of going with nvidia's "nvidia-settings" gui and "mosaic", but that's about it
• 1115[15:34:45] <brokencycle> Hi! I want to use one of the fonts, Roboto, in a local project. For JavaScript, there is an alias '/javascript', but I can't find anything for the fonts.
• 1116[15:34:53] <brokencycle> How do I best proceed?
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• 1131[15:54:09] <jhutchins> javascript has nothing to do with fonts.
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• 1134[15:59:16] <tonymke> Ahh, roboto is on google fonts. you should be able to just use it in a web project. replaced-url
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• 1137[16:01:02] <SyfiMalik> hi guys I'm new to debian stretch, just did a net install a few hours ago. I wanna have polybar but cant find it
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• 1139[16:01:51] <Encrypt> Hello everyone :)
• 1140[16:01:52] <iTeV> iirc polybar isnt in the debian repositories
• 1141[16:01:59] <iTeV> you should prolly compile it from source
• 1142[16:02:00] <Encrypt> I've just reinstalled Debian after my SSD crashed
• 1143[16:02:07] <iTeV> correct me if im wrong
• 1144[16:02:19] <Encrypt> I'm now working as much as I can with command line and I have a few questions
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• 1146[16:02:50] <iTeV> shoot 'em Encrypt :)
• 1147[16:02:53] <Encrypt> It seems the default keyboard layout is the "QWERTY" layout ; I'd like to set it permanently to french latin9
• 1148[16:03:22] <Encrypt> To fix that, I've typed: setxkbmap fr latin9
• 1149[16:03:30] <Encrypt> It works but that won't persist across reboots
• 1150[16:03:31] <SyfiMalik> no it isn't in official repos
• 1151[16:03:54] <Encrypt> What should I do for it to persist? Note that I'm using i3wm
• 1152[16:03:56] <SyfiMalik> plus fprintd isn't also working
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• 1154[16:04:31] <SyfiMalik> I have installed it from official repos. and added modules strings in pam.d/login too . but still doens't work
• 1155[16:04:58] <iTeV> Encrypt, you can use the `exec` option in ur i3config
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• 1157[16:05:15] <iTeV> `exec setxkbmap fr latin9`
• 1158[16:05:37] <Encrypt> iTeV, Yeah
• 1159[16:05:38] <iTeV> iirc that should work when u reload/start ur i3wm
• 1160[16:05:45] <SyfiMalik> wow i was thinking only me on debian would be using i3wm :D
• 1161[16:05:46] <Encrypt> I'm not sure it's the best thing to do
• 1162[16:06:06] <Encrypt> It should better be placed in ~/.profile or somewhere else I guess
• 1163[16:06:17] <Encrypt> SyfiMalik, Nope, ah ah :P
• 1164[16:06:32] * iTeV is running i3-gaps on Debian Stretch
• 1165[16:06:33] <Encrypt> SyfiMalik, replaced-url
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• 1167[16:07:06] <SyfiMalik> wow i3-gaps is also available here?
• 1168[16:07:19] <SyfiMalik> or I have to compile it?
• 1169[16:07:23] <iTeV> I had to compile i3-gaps
• 1170[16:07:33] <SyfiMalik> I'll do too.
• 1171[16:07:49] <SyfiMalik> but I'm low on data plan
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• 1173[16:08:23] <SyfiMalik> what you use for tray?
• 1174[16:08:38] <SyfiMalik> and nm-applet is also unavailable
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• 1176[16:09:44] <iTeV> nm-applet works fine here with i3
• 1177[16:10:00] <SyfiMalik> you compiled it?
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• 1179[16:10:08] <iTeV> nope
• 1180[16:10:26] <SyfiMalik> what's the package name for installation?
• 1181[16:10:53] <iTeV> lemme check
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• 1183[16:11:47] <SyfiMalik> I just installed unclutter and it freezed my layout, just i can type in one irssi window :D it was in my config and with reload this happened :D
• 1184[16:13:10] <SyfiMalik> plz don't reply until I come back after pkill X :P
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• 1188[16:15:17] <iTeV> SyfiMalik, heh, nm-applet is a part of `network-manager-gnome` :')
• 1189[16:15:28] <iTeV> prolly installed when I was using GNOME before using i3 :>
• 1190[16:15:55] <SyfiMalik> iTev: so I'm back.. and if I install it, my whole OS would be bloated
• 1191[16:16:09] <SyfiMalik> better to avoid it :D
• 1192[16:16:12] <Encrypt> Gnome installs too much stuff
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• 1194[16:16:32] <Encrypt> I've recently played with nmcli, it works well
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• 1196[16:16:41] <SyfiMalik> yeah, I don't like it, I mostly have been using only less than 500 packages
• 1197[16:16:44] <iTeV> you can also try wicd
• 1198[16:17:02] <SyfiMalik> that's good + you can use nmtui too
• 1199[16:17:40] <SyfiMalik> iTeV: what do you use for tray? i3blocks or i3 status?
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• 1201[16:18:18] <iTeV> polybar ;)
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• 1203[16:19:08] <SyfiMalik> haha :D I'll compile it but I don't have experience in debian for getting about dependencies...
• 1204[16:19:32] <iTeV> Yeah, watch out for that :P
• 1205[16:19:40] <iTeV> you can easily brick ur system
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• 1207[16:20:07] <SyfiMalik> I have git clone that... but dependencies not sure how to solve them
• 1208[16:20:35] <iTeV> there is usually specified which deps are required
• 1209[16:20:44] <SyfiMalik> well, i'm lucky, I never broke a system yet :D
• 1210[16:20:51] <iTeV> most of the time with a `apt install` command too (with all the packages)
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• 1212[16:21:22] <SyfiMalik> apt install didn't solve it.
• 1213[16:21:35] <SyfiMalik> I tried it.
• 1214[16:22:13] <SyfiMalik> is there an alternative for "dnf --whatprovides"
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• 1238[16:51:38] <brokencycle> I am aware that javascript and fonts have nothing to do with each other, but thought that Debian would provide a similar alias for fonts.
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• 1252[17:00:14] <hxmuller> mcordingley: I saw your response this morning. I'm stumped. Since the previous kernel worked and this one does not, and now the previous kernel doesn't work, I suspect something you upgraded broke it, probably nouveau.
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• 1254[17:02:40] <hxmuller> when using reportbug to submit a bug, when including a patch, should I use a - Attach a file, or i - Include a text file?
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• 1270[17:14:38] <davis> I am having trouble with google advanced protection usb creditentials key
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• 1272[17:15:18] <davis> i have added the udev rules file they mention on their help page, rebooted and it still does not recognize the key when connected to usb
• 1273[17:15:42] <davis> is there something else which needs to be done for debian which is not specified on the google linux help page?
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• 1287[17:32:54] <hxmuller> davis: have you read this: replaced-url
• 1288[17:33:33] <hxmuller> the assumption is the process is similar
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• 1291[17:35:56] <davis> hxmuller: When I enrolled in the google advanced secruity program, I added two keys. one is a bluetooh capable device and the other is simply a usb key.
• 1292[17:36:44] <davis> hxmuller: when it failed to use the first one with bluetooth (I used it on my phone. It also has a usb connector using a cable) it failed to work.
• 1293[17:37:01] <hxmuller> davis: run: dpkg -s libu2f-host0 to see if that is installed, if not maybe you want to install it
• 1294[17:37:03] <davis> hxmuller: I used the second one which is a direct plug in and it worked immediately
• 1295[17:37:33] <davis> hxmuller: perhaps the usb host to usb micro device cable I used with the first key has problems.
• 1296[17:37:34] <hxmuller> davis: so the usb key IS working
• 1297[17:37:37] <hxmuller> ?
• 1298[17:37:48] <davis> the second key worked
• 1299[17:37:57] <davis> the first key using the cable did not.
• 1300[17:38:54] <davis> I'm going to sign out and try with the first key and a different cable.
• 1301[17:39:03] <mallxs> i'm working on a daemon that will fork childs depending on settings in tits daemon.d directory. will that work with the systemd model ?
• 1302[17:39:23] <Encrypt> I think I have no sound utils yet on my fresh install of Debian
• 1303[17:39:24] <mallxs> hmm tits is its lol
• 1304[17:39:28] <Encrypt> What should I install?
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• 1308[17:41:16] <davis> hmm. signing out, removing the key, and as soon as I login, it skips the key step and signs me in now.
• 1309[17:41:23] <davis> let me try to reboot. bbiab
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• 1314[17:44:42] <hxmuller> Encrpt: sudo apt install alsa-utils puleaudio, then run alsamixer to ensure things are unmuted
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• 1316[17:45:12] <davis> hmm. very odd. I signed out of chrome. rebooted. When I reopened chrome after a reboot it already had me signed in.
• 1317[17:45:33] <hxmuller> Encrypt: I think I had to reboot after for the changes to take effect
• 1318[17:45:43] <davis> when I signed out again, all it did was ask me to login. It did not ask me to use the usb key again.
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• 1320[17:46:14] <Encrypt> hxmuller, I haven't installed the default Desktop Environment
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• 1322[17:46:24] <Encrypt> So, I think alsa was not installed
• 1323[17:46:59] <hxmuller> Encrypt, I didn't either. that's how I got sound up and working
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• 1325[17:47:05] <Encrypt> hxmuller, Also, I don't get the difference between Alsa & Pulseaudio
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• 1327[17:47:15] <Encrypt> Can one work without the other?
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• 1331[17:49:11] <hxmuller> Encrypt: depending on what your needs are, you may be able to use just alsa. but adding pulseaudio doesn't add much overhead.
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• 1333[17:50:00] <Encrypt> OK :)
• 1334[17:50:30] <somiaj> pulseaudio is a tool on top of alsa, that provides features that alsa doesn't
• 1335[17:50:46] <somiaj> I used alsa for years, but have recentally started using pulse, mostly for switchign sound cards on the fly, and per app volume control
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• 1337[17:51:49] <hxmuller> Encrypt: the volume control somiaj references is pavucontrol, add that to the apt install <list> if you want it
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• 1341[17:56:44] <sideup66> Hi folks
• 1342[17:56:59] <sideup66> Is there any known issue at the moment with Linux headers?
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• 1350[18:05:15] <sideup66> Answered my own question
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• 1357[18:16:41] <NetTerminalGene> anyone here can hw accelerate 10-bit h265 videos with 7th gen. intel cpu?
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• 1359[18:19:04] <NetTerminalGene> all i can see is green screen
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• 1362[18:22:47] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, depends alot on your setup. What video card, what stream/file?
• 1363[18:23:12] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, and not all browsers support h265
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• 1368[18:24:40] <NetTerminalGene> dutchfish, intel hd630 gpu. it can decode 8-bit h265. it is not browser, mpv player
• 1369[18:25:38] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, does it play in vlc?
• 1370[18:25:54] <NetTerminalGene> no. same. it shows green screen
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• 1373[18:29:08] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, it must have to do with that particular gpu, on my system amdgpu driver 10-bit h265 plays fine, with either Debian stable or Debian testing.
• 1374[18:29:39] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, have you tried the newer kernel from bpo?
• 1375[18:29:50] <Encrypt> Alright
• 1376[18:29:56] <Encrypt> Sound works xD
• 1377[18:30:01] <Encrypt> I installed pulseaudio
• 1378[18:30:07] <Encrypt> Without alsa
• 1379[18:30:31] <NetTerminalGene> dutchfish, i tried before. it broke even h264 videos
• 1380[18:30:33] <Encrypt> I had to figure out how to control pulseaudio via command line... and oticed the volume was muted
• 1381[18:31:56] <NetTerminalGene> dutchfish, you can play it with gpu acceleration, right?
• 1382[18:32:13] <NetTerminalGene> dutchfish, what is you gpu?
• 1383[18:32:16] <NetTerminalGene> your*
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• 1385[18:32:29] <NetTerminalGene> brand
• 1386[18:32:37] <NetTerminalGene> version
• 1387[18:33:18] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, on my test rig, with i7-8700 and same gpu, it works (Debian testing), the same with Debian stable on a i7-6700k, but the later has i different gpu on board.
• 1388[18:33:42] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, all with hw accel., yes.
• 1389[18:34:14] <NetTerminalGene> i7-6700K doesn't support 10-bit acceleration
• 1390[18:34:17] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, what didnt work is the stock kernel from Debian/stable on theat newer cpu.
• 1391[18:34:58] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, on the i7-6700k it was done wis an amd card, i already told you.
• 1392[18:35:19] <dutchfish> with*
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• 1394[18:35:55] <NetTerminalGene> :/
• 1395[18:36:13] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, for you info H265 support on intel embedded gpu still has some rough edges with the drm drivers,
• 1396[18:36:49] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, so the 4.17.x kernels are ou best choice, found in Debian testing or sid.
• 1397[18:37:28] <NetTerminalGene> even thumbnails of 10-bit videos are green
• 1398[18:38:10] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, its not that, if the kernel/drm doesnt support it, you either go with software rendering or upgrade the system.
• 1399[18:39:57] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, and h265 problems on that particular gpu is not only related to this os, which you probably already know.
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• 1401[18:40:37] <NetTerminalGene> i am suspecting from software
• 1402[18:40:52] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, yes, correct. Driver.
• 1403[18:41:30] <NetTerminalGene> dutchfish, should i install xf86-intel driver?
• 1404[18:41:36] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, i am sorry i can not help more.
• 1405[18:41:41] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, no.
• 1406[18:41:57] <NetTerminalGene> only kernel?
• 1407[18:42:07] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, or more clearly didnt help for me.
• 1408[18:42:16] <NetTerminalGene> what?
• 1409[18:42:24] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, kernel,drm,mesa,xorg.
• 1410[18:42:43] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, basically try Debian/testing, that worked for me.
• 1411[18:42:59] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, on that i7-8700 system.
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• 1414[18:46:40] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, if you then still have that problem, ask in #debian-next (OFTC)
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• 1416[18:47:52] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, alot has been improved in the newer kernels and drm.
• 1417[18:48:18] <NetTerminalGene> ok. thnaks
• 1418[18:48:32] <dutchfish> yw
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• 1420[18:49:34] <sideup66> So I have a strange problem, looks like when I upgraded, debian on one of my machines is not seeing a new kernel
• 1421[18:50:10] <sideup66> Rest of my boxes have gone to kernel 4.9.0-7, this one wants to remain on 6, any reason for that? Apt-update && upgrade shows nothing held back
• 1422[18:50:21] <dutchfish> sideup66, upgrade from?
• 1423[18:50:45] <sideup66> From the previous build, 6 to 7
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• 1425[18:51:39] <dutchfish> sideup66, so from squeeze to wheezy? are you sure. Currently stable is 9 aka stretch.
• 1426[18:52:53] <dutchfish> sideup66, i dont believe wheezy can boot 4.9
• 1427[18:52:56] <sideup66> No I am on Debian stretch
• 1428[18:53:04] <sideup66> I meant the version of kernem
• 1429[18:53:06] <sideup66> Kernel
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• 1431[18:53:37] <dutchfish> sideup66, what does /etc/debian_version tells you?
• 1432[18:53:37] <NetTerminalGene> stretch is debian 9
• 1433[18:53:39] <sideup66> I'm saying the rest of my boxes went from 4.9.0-6 to 4.9.0-7 without incident
• 1434[18:53:52] <sideup66> Yes....they are all Debian 9
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• 1436[18:54:08] <sideup66> I'm saying one box decided not to grab the kernel for some reason
• 1437[18:54:17] <annadane> apt-cache policy linux-amd-64 may give some hint, if you're on amd64
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• 1439[18:54:21] <annadane> or try changing the mirror
• 1440[18:54:24] <dutchfish> sideup66, well, you can reinstall it
• 1441[18:54:26] <annadane> err, wrong package
• 1442[18:54:51] <annadane> linux-image-amd64 i think
• 1443[18:55:09] <sideup66> That spits out 9.5 from cat /etc/debian_version
• 1444[18:55:21] <sideup66> annadane: yes, that is the package I'm referring to
• 1445[18:55:31] <dutchfish> sideup66, what tells this output? dpkg -l | grep linux-image ?
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• 1448[18:56:24] <NetTerminalGene> i don't know but, maybe you installed backported kernel in that system. and you got this problem maybe?
• 1449[18:56:36] <sideup66> That I have kernel 4.9.0-6 and 4.9.0-5 installed, I did get 4.9.0-7 headers
• 1450[18:56:38] <dutchfish> NetTerminalGene, good hint
• 1451[18:56:41] <sideup66> Not sure
• 1452[18:56:46] <sideup66> I do have backportd
• 1453[18:56:50] <sideup66> Backports* on
• 1454[18:56:53] <dutchfish> ah ok
• 1455[18:57:17] <dutchfish> uname -a will tell you what was booted
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• 1457[18:57:44] <sideup66> 4.9.0-6
• 1458[18:58:08] <dutchfish> ,kernel version
• 1459[18:58:09] <judd> (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
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• 1461[18:59:12] <sideup66> I mean, is there a way I can tell it to upgrade specifically from stable
• 1462[19:00:33] <sideup66> Cache search shows 4.9.0-7
• 1463[19:00:45] <sideup66> So it's in there for the machine, all boxes are amd64
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• 1465[19:00:58] <dutchfish> sideup66, you can install that kernel from stable. You have to look up for your arch: apt-get search linux-image
• 1466[19:01:14] <annadane> yes but if they have backports enabled there may be something blocking it
• 1467[19:01:15] <sideup66> Hmm
• 1468[19:01:34] <annadane> if you apt install linux-image-amd64 what happens...? or maybe try it with aptitude, see what it says
• 1469[19:01:44] <sideup66> Yes but wouldn't I get a held-back package message if it's a problem
• 1470[19:01:49] <annadane> right
• 1471[19:01:54] <dutchfish> sideup66, stable-bpo has now 4.17.8-1~bpo9+1
• 1472[19:02:18] <sideup66> Also if it does install, will that fix it going forward with updates
• 1473[19:02:26] <sideup66> =\ no idea what I did to cause this
• 1474[19:02:30] <annadane> it should
• 1475[19:02:33] <dutchfish> yes
• 1476[19:02:40] <annadane> if you can upgrade it to begin with future updates shouldn't be a problem
• 1477[19:02:45] <annadane> sorry dutchfish, not to step on your toes
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• 1480[19:03:03] <dutchfish> annadane, np, take it form here
• 1481[19:03:37] <annadane> the beauty of aptitude is it can tell you specifically why something won't update/install/whatever, and you can cycle through its various proposed solutions
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• 1483[19:04:29] <NetTerminalGene> i needed to update my system with "apt-get dist-upgrade" because it wasn't installing the new kernel
• 1484[19:04:39] <sideup66> Yes, I've done that in the past
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• 1486[19:04:57] <sideup66> And oddly enough manually installing it installed the kernel without incident
• 1487[19:04:57] <annadane> but they said their other machines are fine so clearly they've done that
• 1488[19:05:04] <sideup66> Advised me to reboot
• 1489[19:05:06] <annadane> oh, just now?
• 1490[19:05:08] <sideup66> As it should
• 1491[19:05:10] <sideup66> Yes
• 1492[19:05:18] <annadane> ...well, problem solved? *shrug*
• 1493[19:05:24] <sideup66> Apt-get install linux-image 4.9.0-7-amd64
• 1494[19:05:40] <sideup66> Sure, but my thinking now is post crash essentially, what caused it?
• 1495[19:05:52] <dutchfish> sideup66, did you check if there was enough diskspace left? just to be sure?
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• 1498[19:06:48] * annadane is just amazed my half-brained solutions worked for once
• 1499[19:07:17] <sideup66> dutchfish: there's plenty, it's on a 250 gig drive with over 100 gb free
• 1500[19:07:23] <dutchfish> ok
• 1501[19:08:31] <sideup66> Just funky...
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• 1503[19:12:45] <mallxs> i'm working on a daemon that will fork child's depending on settings in its daemon.d directory. will that work with the systemd model ?
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• 1507[19:14:09] <dutchfish> mallxs, yes, if that worked before without systemd
• 1508[19:14:39] <dutchfish> mallxs, there are some 'buts' tho, but nothing too fancy
• 1509[19:15:15] <mallxs> dutchfish: is there a read on what the buts are ?
• 1510[19:15:32] <dutchfish> mallxs, not that i have seen (yet)
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• 1512[19:16:29] <dutchfish> mallxs, it boils down to the new security model for the next release. You can look at the sources of the other great packages, like apache2, mysql, maridb etc, how they did it.
• 1513[19:16:42] <dutchfish> mariadb*
• 1514[19:17:05] <mallxs> ha , will do thx
• 1515[19:17:11] <dutchfish> mallxs, spwaning root children nowdays is a big no no
• 1516[19:17:32] <dutchfish> mallxs, and i mean as root
• 1517[19:17:58] <dutchfish> mallxs, think containment
• 1518[19:18:33] <ksk> dutchfish: can you give me something on the "new security model for the next release" link-wise?
• 1519[19:19:03] <dutchfish> ksk, not at the top of my head, but you might want to study apparmor
• 1520[19:19:36] <dutchfish> ksk, there is more, if intrested, try Debian/testing.
• 1521[19:19:43] <ksk> apparmor is going to be a core thing of debian?
• 1522[19:19:50] <dutchfish> ksk, that can be done in a vm ;)
• 1523[19:19:53] <ksk> Im more interested on the view/plans of debian
• 1524[19:20:12] <dutchfish> ksk, i believe its on the mailing lists
• 1525[19:20:27] <ksk> so 1980. Ill try to google that, thanks.
• 1526[19:21:54] <ksk> replaced-url
• 1527[19:22:20] <dutchfish> ksk, yes
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• 1529[19:22:58] <dutchfish> ksk, the mailing lists however contain the latest
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• 1532[19:26:37] <dutchfish> (not related to #d, but over here)
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• 1552[19:51:03] <mallxs> dutchfish: any idea how to add rules to a iptables chain without being root ?
• 1553[19:52:02] <dutchfish> mallxs, use sudo? otherwise no. (if you ment manually)
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• 1555[19:56:10] <dutchfish> mallxs, if you store the rules in a db, then the security model shifts to db access.
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• 1558[20:03:07] <jhutchins> mallxs: No, you have to be root to change iptables rules.
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• 1560[20:03:23] <jhutchins> (Or use sudo)
• 1561[20:04:36] <jhutchins> "Do nothing as root" is not a coherent security strategy.
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• 1563[20:05:02] <akk> Hi -- in the last couple weeks, my machine running testing picked up an update that makes it automatically suspend after a while. It never did that before. Any idea what might have changed?
• 1564[20:05:22] <akk> I run openbox, not gnome or kde, so this isn't coming from the desktop but from something lower level.
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• 1576[20:21:20] <amprxc> Hello, i have a problem using discord with debian, i get the following errors : [2266:477] [2145] (audio_device_pulse_linux.cc:1857): Can't query latency [2266:478] [2141] (audio_send_stream.cc:519): Unable to create encoder for {name: opus, clockrate_hz: 48000, num_channels: 1, parameters: {stereo: 0, usedtx: 0, useinbandfec: 0}} [2266:478] [2141] (audio_send_stream.cc:261): Failed to set up send codec state. [2266:545] [2141] (aud
• 1577[20:21:30] <amprxc> Can anyone help me ? thanks
• 1578[20:22:36] <rant> akk: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 1579[20:22:55] <akk> Oh, even for testing? Thanks, I'll try there.
• 1580[20:24:11] <amprxc> here you can find the error messages for discord : replaced-url
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• 1592[20:43:21] <tonymke> If anyone is feeling particularly insignful about gnome's relationship with Xorg: replaced-url
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• 1615[21:06:27] <Peyam> hi
• 1616[21:07:02] <Peyam> I tryied to configured my hp printer. and it does not print anything. when looking at hp-toolbox I see this 'idle' replaced-url
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• 1618[21:07:55] <Peyam> and this is when I try to print a pdf document. you see it says paused : replaced-url
• 1619[21:08:08] <Peyam> I run debian 9.5 and hplip 4.16.11
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• 1621[21:10:45] <mcordingley> hxmuller:
• 1622[21:11:33] <mcordingley> hxmuller: Oops, hit the enter key before I wrote anything. Anyhow, I have a fix of sorts in place. I did the unthinkable and installed the proprietary drivers through apt.
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• 1625[21:13:15] <mcordingley> There was either a bug in nouveau or I had some sort of misconfiguration going on. Switching drivers blew whatever the problem was away. I'm hoping that I can switch back to Nouveau sooner or later, either after the bug has been fixed or that doing a full installation and then purge of the Nvidia drivers would get me back to a clean slate. Either way, I have a working system again.
• 1626[21:13:28] <hxmuller> mcordingley: I suspect it was the nouveau driver. you might learn something at #nouveau
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• 1628[21:16:51] <mcordingley> hxmuller: I'll check that out. Thanks for the suggestion. And the help.
• 1629[21:17:10] <hxmuller> mcordingley, yw
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• 1639[21:34:34] <rant> Peyam: unpause it
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• 1648[21:45:22] <hxmuller> Peyam: were you able to unpause it?
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• 1684[22:32:10] <SyfiMalik> How to check which packages solve the dependencies?
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• 1686[22:32:52] <SyfiMalik> iTeV: still there ?
• 1687[22:33:24] <SyfiMalik> I don't have a gui browser so I'm asking... I wanna compile qutebrowser
• 1688[22:33:28] <SyfiMalik> and polybar
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• 1691[22:37:33] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, are they in Debian?
• 1692[22:37:44] <Brigo> ,v qutebrowser
• 1693[22:37:45] <judd> Package: qutebrowser on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.0-1; buster: 1.4.1-1
• 1694[22:37:46] <ChmEarl> SyfiMalik, man dpkg-depcheck
• 1695[22:37:51] <Brigo> ,v polybar
• 1696[22:37:52] <judd> No package named 'polybar' was found in amd64.
• 1697[22:38:14] <SyfiMalik> I'm on stretch
• 1698[22:38:34] <ChmEarl> ^ writes your build-dep line in debian/control
• 1699[22:39:11] <SyfiMalik> both aren't available but I can compile from source. I'm noob to debian, just a few hours ago installed it
• 1700[22:39:17] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, for checking if it'll going ot build, you can use our very handy judd bot.
• 1701[22:39:25] <Brigo> ,checkbackport qutebrowser
• 1702[22:39:26] <judd> Backporting package qutebrowser in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
• 1703[22:40:24] <SyfiMalik> how to enable backports, I didn't check the backports while installing
• 1704[22:40:46] <Brigo> dpkg tell SyfiMalik about backports
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• 1706[22:41:33] <SyfiMalik> plus I don't have a gui browser so any help would be appreciated. I don't wanna install bloatware packages like chrome and firefox just to get info how to build qutebrowser
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• 1708[22:42:14] <hxmuller> SyfiMalik: w3m is a good text browser
• 1709[22:42:21] <rant> I just installed the stretch-backports kernel and it pulled in apparmor does this mean its going to have that enabled by default?
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• 1712[22:44:13] <Brigo> rant, i hope it don't.
• 1713[22:44:52] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, there is a lot of good text web browser, like links or links2 or w3m ...
• 1714[22:44:59] <hxmuller> rant: it's pulled in by recommends
• 1715[22:45:03] <SyfiMalik> I have elinks but it is so white
• 1716[22:45:31] <SyfiMalik> plus I have a very slow connection
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• 1719[22:46:03] <SyfiMalik> Brigo: how to enable backports
• 1720[22:47:08] <rant> hxmuller: ah.. still getting used to apt doing that
• 1721[22:47:18] <SyfiMalik> haha
• 1722[22:47:21] <SyfiMalik> just like me
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• 1724[22:47:50] <hxmuller> SyfiMalik: replaced-url
• 1725[22:48:19] <SyfiMalik> and please guide me about debian rolling release
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• 1727[22:49:19] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, there is no such thing as debiang rolling release.
• 1728[22:49:44] <Brigo> for adding stretch backports, you have to add this line: "deb replaced-url
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• 1730[22:50:44] <SyfiMalik> any difference between stable and stretch?
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• 1732[22:53:24] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, strech is the actual stable distribution, so right now, no.
• 1733[22:53:58] <NetTerminalGene> Brigo, you wrote jessie backport repo
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• 1735[22:54:24] <Brigo> NetTerminalGene, you are right. SyfiMalik be carefull about that.
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• 1737[22:54:37] <Brigo> this is the right line: deb replaced-url
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• 1739[22:54:47] <Brigo> NetTerminalGene, thanks :)
• 1740[22:54:53] <NetTerminalGene> sure
• 1741[22:56:32] <SyfiMalik> I already did a google search and added the line for stretch. btw thanks...
• 1742[22:57:22] <SyfiMalik> what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
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• 1744[22:58:10] <NetTerminalGene> i think aptitude is newer
• 1745[22:58:22] <SyfiMalik> E: Unable to locate package qutebrowser
• 1746[22:58:47] <SyfiMalik> after update, I did apt-get -t stretch-backports install qutebrowser
• 1747[22:59:13] <NetTerminalGene> there is no qutebrowser in backports
• 1748[22:59:38] <SyfiMalik> so where can I get it?
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• 1750[22:59:46] <NetTerminalGene> dunno
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• 1752[23:00:16] <SyfiMalik> someone pasted here something about qutebrowser few minutes ago
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• 1754[23:00:21] <NetTerminalGene> be a man and use firefox
• 1755[23:00:44] <SyfiMalik> I like the vim way :D
• 1756[23:01:36] <NetTerminalGene> replaced-url
• 1757[23:02:23] <cmm11> SyfiMalik qutebrowser isn't in any stretch repo
• 1758[23:02:27] <cmm11> replaced-url
• 1759[23:02:35] <cmm11> only buster or sid
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• 1761[23:03:41] <SyfiMalik> so I have to compile it
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• 1763[23:04:46] <NetTerminalGene> look the link i posted
• 1764[23:04:55] <NetTerminalGene> you don't need to compile anything
• 1765[23:05:17] <SyfiMalik> I'm on the page mate, thanks
• 1766[23:05:28] <NetTerminalGene> but it will make frankendebian i believe
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• 1768[23:06:17] <SyfiMalik> but it will make frankendebian i believe???
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• 1770[23:06:39] <cmm11> correct
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• 1773[23:10:45] <SyfiMalik> this page says its available in testing. so can you please guide me testing release? is it okay to have testing release?
• 1774[23:11:18] <SyfiMalik> ups and downs?
• 1775[23:12:28] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, no, not a all.
• 1776[23:12:56] <SyfiMalik> reason plz
• 1777[23:12:58] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, lots of problems, its name is testing for a reason.
• 1778[23:13:53] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, if you want to deal with broken package, fix them send patches or just send bugs, then testing is for you.
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• 1780[23:14:09] <Brigo> if you want something stable then ... use stable.
• 1781[23:14:15] <SyfiMalik> btw I have been arch user for almost 6 months, and never faced some problem. I just installed debian cos I got a new machine and I thought I should check it too.
• 1782[23:15:18] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, nice.
• 1783[23:16:08] <SyfiMalik> Brigo: people always think negative but I don't give my comments about some distro before I check it use it myself...
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• 1785[23:17:35] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, i am not thinking negative, i am just saying testing is for advanced user or adventurers.
• 1786[23:18:12] <Brigo> there is a channel for supporting testing and ustable in oftc, #debian-next
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• 1790[23:19:52] <NetTerminalGene> debian stable <3
• 1791[23:19:53] <SyfiMalik> debian is new for me. I started with fedora then arch, gentoo. arch is awesome, gentoo is fuckin windows, have to wait for compilation like windows updates. today when I was almost done installation, I was thinking about systemd suspend on lid close, and went for coffee. when I came back, I saw the thinkpad was blinking :D so in debian I didn't have to configure it myself by hand
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• 1797[23:22:35] <NetTerminalGene> yeah. on ubuntu qemu doesn't have sound. i think you have to configure it. on debian there is sound out of box
• 1798[23:24:21] <SyfiMalik> what's sid? it's also next ?
• 1799[23:24:32] <Brigo> A package is as good as its maintainers. Debian use to have good quality, but here we are all voluntaries, so nothing is for granted.
• 1800[23:24:47] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, is unstable, is before testing
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• 1803[23:25:33] <freetlas> Y'all people use Debian and code with the Oracle JDK?
• 1804[23:25:46] <Brigo> not me
• 1805[23:26:53] <SyfiMalik> Brigo: so stretch is stable, sid is unstable right?
• 1806[23:27:45] <Brigo> yes, and buster is testing, for now.
• 1807[23:28:14] <NetTerminalGene> i hope buster will come with wayland
• 1808[23:28:18] <Brigo> at some point buster will become stable and testing will get a new name. Unstable will be named sid for ever.
• 1809[23:28:30] <Brigo> NetTerminalGene, by default?
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• 1811[23:28:35] <NetTerminalGene> yeah
• 1812[23:28:41] <abrotman> freetlas: some people do, sure .. why?
• 1813[23:29:14] <Brigo> NetTerminalGene, i use mate and afaik it don't support wayland yet.
• 1814[23:29:26] <NetTerminalGene> :/
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• 1816[23:30:08] <SyfiMalik> so wayland is alternative for xorg?
• 1817[23:30:42] <NetTerminalGene> Brigo, you mean mate DE or like a pall? lol
• 1818[23:30:49] <abrotman> SyfiMalik: yes-ish
• 1819[23:30:54] <Brigo> NetTerminalGene, mate DE XD
• 1820[23:31:18] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, that's the idea, at least.
• 1821[23:31:41] <SyfiMalik> is it better than xorg OR what Brigo ?
• 1822[23:32:34] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, it is new, it is intended to replace Xorg at some point.
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• 1824[23:33:37] <SyfiMalik> can I use i3wm with it?
• 1825[23:33:44] <abrotman> It's different. It may not be better for your needs, you need to test it
• 1826[23:35:10] <NetTerminalGene> i think arch uses wayland by default
• 1827[23:35:19] <SyfiMalik> I think I once gave it a try. within a session I opened it once it appeared in bash completions and it showed me terminal and somthing
• 1828[23:36:04] <SyfiMalik> I didn't see it in arch. all I set up was xorg
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• 1830[23:36:40] <NetTerminalGene> for gnome maybe
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• 1832[23:37:24] <SyfiMalik> maybe... I once installed some packages which installed so many gnome packages with it
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• 1836[23:40:01] <SyfiMalik> so guys what this mean when we give the apt install command an argument like ./qutebrowser ?
• 1837[23:41:07] <Brigo> apt install expects a package name
• 1838[23:41:12] <SyfiMalik> I mean the ./ slash
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• 1840[23:41:56] <ladderff> hello
• 1841[23:42:15] <SyfiMalik> just like dpkg?
• 1842[23:42:37] <SyfiMalik> a local package name with a ./ slash?
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• 1844[23:42:50] <davis> I am on debian and everytime I have a large browser window and I attempt to drag a tab to another window it maximizes and drops from drag operation.
• 1845[23:42:51] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, dpkg installs local files, apt don't-
• 1846[23:42:58] <davis> I tried to do this: dconf write /org/gnome/mutter/edge-tiling false but that does not work.
• 1847[23:43:18] <Brigo> davis, so you are using gnome.
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• 1853[23:45:10] <ladderff> Hey, having some confusion with nfs. I mount a share, the server suspends to ram, then I/O on the share hangs. No surprise there. But: the share is mounted on /mnt/mountpoint. why would `ls /mnt' hang?
• 1854[23:45:44] <ladderff> I asked over in #nfs but it doesn't seem as active
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• 1856[23:47:55] <SyfiMalik> Brigo: I had a dir in arch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and there I put some files for mouse accelerations and tap to click options. but here I can't find it
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• 1859[23:48:46] <Brigo> SyfiMalik, sorry, can't help you there.
• 1860[23:49:10] <SyfiMalik> I have put those files in /etc/X11 but that doesn't work
• 1861[23:49:39] <SyfiMalik> np bro, can deal it
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• 1863[23:50:19] <NetTerminalGene> davis, what do you mean by drag a tab to another window?
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• 1865[23:50:44] <Shun131> ladderff: That must be because it‘s still trying to access the share when you ls /mnt Perhaps you could umount the share before you ls /mnt?
• 1866[23:50:58] <ladderff> yes, that would work
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• 1869[23:51:45] <Shun131> perhaps there‘s a better way, though I don‘t know it.
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• 1871[23:51:51] <davis> NetTerminalGene: I grab a tab in my browser window and start to drag it to a new window. The new tab turns into a window and then automaticlaly maximizes.
• 1872[23:52:09] <davis> once it maximizes it drops from mouse drag
• 1873[23:52:40] <ladderff> Shun131: I was just surprised, I expected ls /mnt/moutnpoint to hang but not /mnt
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• 1875[23:53:03] <ladderff> Shun131: I don't suppose you have any ideas on how to inhibit suspend on the server when the nfs share is being accessed ?
• 1876[23:53:09] <Shun131> that has to do with how the kernel works, I guess
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• 1878[23:55:09] <Shun131> no sorry, never used it so far. But Google surely knows the answer to that, sounds like a pretty common question.
• 1879[23:55:46] <NetTerminalGene> davis, i can successfully drag firefox tab from a window to another one
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• 1884[23:58:45] <NetTerminalGene> it becomes other firefox tab
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