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5 [00:02:15] <ManElevation> got it all fixed
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15 [00:07:32] <hesco> Having trouble using an aptly built and maintained .deb repository. Can anyone here please advise me about this: replaced-url
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42 [00:23:15] <monsune> hello, i'm root and when trying to mkdir xyz i get: mkdir: cannot create directory ‘xyz’: Operation not permitted, i'm puzzled with this, how should i proceed to find out what's wrong in there?
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61 [00:38:27] <hxmuller> janjouse: I've installed Debian Stretch on a Ryzen 3 2200g system, but it's better to upgrade to testing
62 [00:38:37] <hxmuller> Janhouse: ^^^
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68 [00:45:50] <bane> Can anyone here recommend how I should setup an NFS for my internal network?
69 [00:45:58] <bane> I know that plain old NFS is not secure
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74 [00:49:25] <rhizome> what kind of regex does less understand?
75 [00:49:53] <rhizome> bane: i think v4 is the minimum for any kind of security, not sure what it's up to
76 [00:50:24] <rhizome> depends on what you mean by secure
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83 [00:55:38] <bane> rhizome: well it's just for my internal home network
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85 [00:57:55] <k-man> on my debian server, the libvirt certificate has expired. I can't recall if I created that or if its created by libvirtd when you isntall it
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91 [01:00:28] <rhizome> bane: should be easy
92 [01:00:34] <Heston> Hello, can anyone explain why when I connect my cellphone through usb, the storage portion is automatically and immediately disconnected while the phone is still physically connected? replaced-url
93 [01:00:59] <Heston> in this case it's device 13
94 [01:02:39] <rhizome> Heston: does it stop there or continue to repeat?
95 [01:02:48] <Heston> it stops there
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97 [01:03:16] <Heston> that segment of dmesg all happens as soon as i plug it in
98 [01:05:06] <rhizome> have tried a different cable/port?
99 [01:05:10] <rhizome> *you
100 [01:06:14] <rhizome> replaced-url
101 [01:06:20] <Heston> i have, one port is definitely damaged and gives more errors, tried other cables and it's the same
102 [01:06:29] <rhizome> pretty close to your situation
103 [01:07:02] <Heston> also im quite sure it always worked in ubuntu
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107 [01:12:18] <mcordingley> My HTPC is failing to start X. The logs have a couple of errors in them, starting with "(EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied" It's an Nvidia card and is (or should be) running Nouveau.
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110 [01:15:09] <mcordingley> Full set of errors is here: replaced-url
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115 [01:19:23] <wei03> is there a way to have firejail run certain apps by default?
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129 [01:33:36] <cyberbootje> Hi, i have a question about mem usage, i have a machine with debian and i am using an LSI raid controller, have 64G of ram and 32G swap. When i do an frio write or copy some heavy files the ram will "fill up" to the point it starts using swap, not a lot and maybe 1MB to 300MB. If i have a look at free -h i can see that ram is mostly buff/cached and actually most of it should be free. I do have swappiness set to 0 but this still happens,
130 [01:33:36] <cyberbootje> now i don't mind having the ram full with buffered data but i do wonder why it uses swap, anyone a clue?
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135 [01:43:07] <wei03> like a config file or something? I tried profiles they don't seem to automatically start when the program starts
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142 [01:54:41] <hxmuller> Heston: My intuition tells me the answer to your problem lies here: replaced-url
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144 [01:56:21] <hxmuller> In that your phone is probably initially detected as storage, but gets disconnected because it really wants to use mtp
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163 [02:08:37] <hxmuller> mcordingley: run lsmod, lspci and copy to paste bin, also "sudo dmesg > dmesg.log", with your entire Xorg.0.log. I'll take a look.
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175 [02:18:27] <Heston> hxmuller, would that explain how it always works in ubuntu? And what would you suggest then, try mounting it with mtp?
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180 [02:21:05] <hxmuller> Heston: Yes, Android has been mtp mount for awhile, Ubuntu probably configures it for you.
181 [02:21:26] <wei03> /list
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193 [02:36:08] <Heston> hxmuller, ok ill investigate that, thank you
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206 [02:47:19] <hxmuller> Heston: yw
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211 [02:52:57] <csmall> I can't seem to play YouTube TV HTML5 video in Chromium on Debian Stretch. Am I just missing a package or is Chromium just not going to work with HTML5 video on Stretch? Firefox says the version is too old to work with YouTube TV.
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217 [02:57:55] <rant> wth is Youtube TV?
218 [02:58:10] <csmall> Live TV via YouTube.
219 [02:58:13] <rant> youtube html5 works fine for me in chromium
220 [02:58:15] <tomreyn> replaced-url
221 [02:58:45] <csmall> It worked for me in Arch linux recently
222 [02:58:53] <tomreyn> replaced-url
223 [02:58:53] <rant> if this is some kinda pay service it probably uses some sort of DRM
224 [02:59:02] <hxmuller> csmall: replaced-url
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226 [02:59:37] <tomreyn> apparently as cross browser as google hangouts (not)
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228 [03:01:52] <csmall> The latest FireFox works but it isn't in Stretch.
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230 [03:02:10] <csmall> I can't remember if I had Chromium or Chrome on Arch linux. Whatever I had worked.
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235 [03:07:50] <zentris> If anyone uses debian forums, could you help me figure the direction to take for a new theme proposal, thank you, there is a poll here: replaced-url
236 [03:10:29] <rant> zentris: you should find an appropriate mailing list or forum, this is a support channel we dont do polls of any kind here
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238 [03:15:47] <zentris> oh really? I always assumed it was a help/general debian discussion channel, my mistake.
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244 [03:26:51] <rant> !polls
245 [03:26:52] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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252 [03:33:00] <zentris> rank: Is there like a list of all the ! commands for dpkg and their answers? Kind of want to see what other interesting things are there.
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255 [03:34:32] <themill> there's 41k factoids so, umm....
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284 [04:00:15] <bane> Hey guys question... just performed a fresh install of debian and I'm getting an error now saying 'unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages" whenever I attempt to install samba
285 [04:00:17] <bane> any recommendations?
286 [04:01:12] <k-man> after changing the swap partition, how do update the systemd suspend to try and suspend to the new partition?
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290 [04:03:54] <well_laid_lawn> did you umount the old swap and mount the new ?
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293 [04:07:04] <k-man> yes
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295 [04:09:46] <k-man> don't i have to re-make the initrd or something
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331 [05:16:58] <rant> heh, you really have no idea how suspend works do you?
332 [05:17:21] <rant> most you'd have to do is put it in /etc/fstab
333 [05:17:51] <rant> the actual suspend only needs swap on, but the resume needs it in /etc/fstab so it can find the swap partition when it boots
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336 [05:23:03] <rant> bane: youu need to provide more information, specificially the full command you ran and its entire output, the output of apt policy and apt policy samba, paste it to pase.debian.net if you're still having problems
337 [05:23:21] <bane> rant: issue has been resolved... appreciate it
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345 [05:25:21] <rant> bane: well thats good. for future ref standard apt diagnostics requires at least those three things which could be obtained with something like (apt policy;apt policy samba;sudo apt install samba)>apt.log and then just going to paste.debian.net and selecting apt.log to upload
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348 [05:25:50] <bane> rant: gotcha - it was occurring on all installs unfortunately ... was missing a few repos some how
349 [05:26:33] <rant> bane: yes, that sort of thing happens the apt policy commands are the key to figuring out those repo related errors
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354 [05:31:29] <bane> rant: thank you
355 [05:32:45] <rant> no worries
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581 [11:11:20] <qqz> ./usr/share/doc/qcoan-dbg/copyright always ends up in the binary package
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612 [11:30:56] <mcordingley> hxmuller: Thank you. Here's lsmod: replaced-url
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670 [12:19:20] <antto> ,v kicad
671 [12:19:22] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; wheezy-backports: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; jessie-backports-sloppy: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.0~rc3+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.0.0~rc3+dfsg1-1
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675 [12:23:00] <dutchfish> antto, judd is limping behind for testing/sid kicad 5.0.0+dfsg1-1
676 [12:23:48] <antto> dutchfish i don't understand what you mean
677 [12:24:22] <dutchfish> antto, judd is not displaying the correct versions for testing and sid
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679 [12:24:48] <dutchfish> fyi
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681 [12:25:16] <antto> oh?
682 [12:25:38] <antto> so there might be newer versions available even?
683 [12:25:53] <dutchfish> antto, yes, at least for testing and SID
684 [12:26:30] <dutchfish> antto, kicad 5 is now released as stable hence see my first reply.
685 [12:26:49] <antto> yeah, i can't believe it
686 [12:27:03] <antto> but i'm on debian stretch at home
687 [12:27:32] <dutchfish> antto, then maybe you believe this replaced-url
688 [12:27:57] <dutchfish> antto, stretch is at 4.0.x tho
689 [12:28:29] <dutchfish> antto, in that, judd is correct
690 [12:29:26] <antto> yeah.. i did some dark magic commands to get 4.0.7 installed here
691 [12:29:36] <antto> ..some weeks ago
692 [12:29:54] <dutchfish> antto, dark magic? that version is in bpo.
693 [12:30:36] <antto> yeah.. it's dark magic for me cuz i normally just browse Synaptic
694 [12:30:45] <dutchfish> ah ok
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696 [12:32:02] <antto> what would be the easiest way to try 5 in my situation?
697 [12:32:33] <antto> install testing?
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699 [12:35:30] <dutchfish> antto, well, that depends on your knowledge of the Debian system, testing is an optin if you can coop with its merrits that comes with it.
700 [12:35:59] <dutchfish> antto, if not, then maybe wait until it is in backports.
701 [12:36:17] <dutchfish> antto, not anytime soon i gues.
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704 [12:40:37] <dutchfish> antto, or wait for th enext Debian release, the freeze for Buster will prolly around januar 2019, soon after that it will be released.
705 [12:41:19] <dutchfish> antto, there is no fixed date tho (yet)
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708 [12:41:34] <antto> i want to try it sooner, cuz folks have started using it and i'd like to be able to answer questions
709 [12:41:57] <dutchfish> antto, then go testing (as i did) kicad 5 is great.
710 [12:42:11] <antto> hmz
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712 [12:43:19] <antto> can i "morph" my installed "stretch" into testing? or is that not a gud idea?
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714 [12:44:22] <dutchfish> antto, it can be done, but is cumbersome if you already have a desktop Debian stretch. Its easier to install from scratch, specially if you are not into Debian on a daily basis.
715 [12:44:51] <antto> i use debian every day, but i'm not a h4x0r
716 [12:45:13] <antto> okay.. i'll think about it
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719 [12:45:30] <dutchfish> antto, this is how i do it, install stratch minimal. Dist-upgrade to testing. Install your preferred wm/desktop.
720 [12:45:36] <dutchfish> stretch*
721 [12:45:47] <Decim_The_Dark> what are your thoughts on kde neon?
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723 [12:46:38] <dutchfish> Decim_The_Dark, i am using plasma-wayland in Debian/testing. So far it has been a rough ride, but it is calming down now.
724 [12:46:52] <antto> dutchfish i think i installed it from a netinst iso but i installed a bunch of DEs
725 [12:47:00] <antto> ended up using LXDE
726 [12:48:06] <dutchfish> Decim_The_Dark, it will be better with the newer kernels and newer DRM, specially for the amd fanboys. The dall code is working.
727 [12:49:14] <dutchfish> Decim_The_Dark, but also improvements on nouveau.
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730 [12:51:13] <dutchfish> Decim_The_Dark, so in general, i think the future is bright for it. (depending on your chosen video card and architecture)
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732 [12:52:02] <dutchfish> Decim_The_Dark, just my personal opinion tho. Others might judge otherwise.
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735 [12:53:00] <dutchfish> antto, the new kicad will work prolly on that fine.
736 [12:53:55] <antto> i meant stretch-netinst
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740 [12:54:58] <dutchfish> antto, if you choose expert install, you can tweak what you want. I prefer a bsic install without a wm, then dist-upgrade to testing.
741 [12:55:23] <dutchfish> antto, that way, you dont waste time/bandwidth.
742 [12:55:40] <dutchfish> antto, if testing is what you want.
743 [12:56:03] <jawr> hey i have a server that keeps needing to be reset, when i check the log files all i get is long lines of "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@" and not much else
744 [12:56:09] <jawr> any tips on debugging?
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746 [12:57:01] <dutchfish> jawr, does it freeze up? or a kernel oops? any more info makes it alot easier.
747 [12:58:18] <jawr> well, i dont have access to kvm/iptc (or whatever its called :D) so not sure about any on screen kernel oops
748 [12:58:50] <dutchfish> jawr, is it running Debian stable aka stretch?
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753 [13:02:00] <jawr> yes dutchfish
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755 [13:02:39] <dutchfish> jawr, which logs contain that long string?
756 [13:03:48] <jawr> it looks like everything that was currently writing
757 [13:04:04] <jawr> so syslog, and other software log files
758 [13:04:13] <dutchfish> jawr, almost all the logs??
759 [13:04:18] <jawr> yeah
760 [13:04:36] <jawr> and we just had the server switched out, so it seems to me it must be a software thing
761 [13:04:51] <dutchfish> jawr, smells like a disk gone bad, if you ask me.
762 [13:04:53] <jawr> i have a peculiar dns setup so im wondering if that might be causing the issue (like a self ddos or so)
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768 [13:06:12] <dutchfish> jawr, on a bad disk, the parts that are written often, will give the tell tail of it the soonest, so most likely the logfile writing.
769 [13:06:59] <jawr> but we just switched it out :s
770 [13:07:03] <jawr> ill do some smartctl on it
771 [13:07:16] <dutchfish> jawr, or you could shedule a diskcheck on th enext boot, that takes a while tho. To find out.
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773 [13:07:55] <dutchfish> jawr, is this a clooned os on a new disk by accident?
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775 [13:08:15] <abrotman> jawr: which FS?
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777 [13:09:39] <jawr> Data Units Read: 20,603,406 [10.5 TB]
778 [13:09:39] <jawr> Data Units Written: 23,199,217 [11.8 TB]
779 [13:09:52] <jawr> im wondering if my queues are hitting the disk too hard
780 [13:10:35] <dutchfish> jawr, i too, want to know what FS you are using.
781 [13:10:48] <jawr> /dev/nvme0n1p3 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
782 [13:10:59] <xVim> Hello. I am trying to run modinfo e.g. with argument ip_tables on a freshly installed Raspberry Pi with Stretch headless. I get an error saying that the moddep file modules.dep.bin could not be opened and that hence the module was not found. But lsmod lists it.
783 [13:11:06] <jawr> its not cloned dutchfish, no
784 [13:11:13] <dutchfish> jawr, ok
785 [13:11:24] <jawr> or at least, im pretty sure it isnt
786 [13:11:31] <dutchfish> jawr, so you are using M.2?
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788 [13:12:23] <dutchfish> jawr, or spindles?
789 [13:12:34] <xVim> I don't understand how modules can be loaded that I cannot even access with modinfo
790 [13:12:56] <jawr> dutchfish: it's Model Number: INTEL SSDPE2MX450G7
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792 [13:13:22] <dutchfish> jawr, that model doesnt ring me a beel, what type?
793 [13:13:31] <dutchfish> bell*
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795 [13:14:21] <dutchfish> jawr, PCIe 3.0x4?
796 [13:15:49] <jawr> dutchfish: replaced-url
797 [13:17:27] <dutchfish> jawr, ok. On that particular storage, with a 4.9 kernel exceeding more then 60% space, you might run into trouble. I have seen that some time. You could try the newer kernel from bpo 4.17.8.
798 [13:17:55] <dutchfish> jawr, this is not a broken disk.
799 [13:18:16] <dutchfish> jawr, most likely a kernel that cant coop with the datarate.
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801 [13:18:52] <dutchfish> jawr, even more when you have more then one of that storage medium.
802 [13:19:09] <jawr> its at about 2% usage at the moment
803 [13:19:30] <jawr> bpo= backports?
804 [13:19:39] <dutchfish> jawr, and its not runnning to hot?
805 [13:19:43] <dutchfish> !bpo
806 [13:19:43] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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808 [13:20:03] <jawr> ill try upgrading the kernel
809 [13:20:15] <dutchfish> mm... thats an old factoid
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811 [13:20:27] <jawr> my other thought was to host some of the fast moving queues on a ramdisk to see if that helps
812 [13:20:37] <dutchfish> jawr, that is most likely a sane choice, whith this particular problem.
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815 [13:21:43] <dutchfish> jawr, consider (as a test) to use rsyslog to another rig, so the system wont be ahmmered only for logging.
816 [13:21:53] <dutchfish> hammered*
817 [13:22:01] <jawr> yeah i thought about shipping the logs too
818 [13:22:14] <jawr> ill actually do it this time, because it doesnt appear to be bad hw now
819 [13:22:20] <dutchfish> right, the problem is most likely the kernel, tho.
820 [13:23:23] <dutchfish> jawr, also check the temperature of that storage strip. It doesnt like high temperatures.
821 [13:23:59] <jawr> on the old hw i had prometheus/node-exporter running
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823 [13:24:07] <jawr> and the temps didnt seem obscene
824 [13:24:13] <dutchfish> ok
825 [13:24:34] <jawr> ive reinstalled it on this host and moved some stuff to ramdisk, ill give it another whirl
826 [13:24:39] <dutchfish> jawr, for that particular one, dont exceed 30 celcius, otherwise it will suffer badly.
827 [13:25:11] <dutchfish> (makng errors and stalls on write)
828 [13:25:49] <dutchfish> jawr, the newer kernels have better mechanisms to coop with that.
829 [13:26:13] <dutchfish> jawr, better dirty write handling
830 [13:26:25] <dutchfish> so try it
831 [13:26:25] <jawr> oh, it might have excedded 30, ill double check
832 [13:26:31] <jawr> ill also up the kernel
833 [13:26:37] <dutchfish> ok
834 [13:26:39] <jawr> thanks for the help dutchfish, much appreciated
835 [13:26:43] <dutchfish> yw
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837 [13:28:44] <dutchfish> jawr, fyi, i mounted cooling ribs on mine.
838 [13:29:21] <dutchfish> jawr, and be carefull what coling paste to choose.
839 [13:29:39] <dutchfish> (non conductive)
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859 [13:51:46] <m712> hi, is powertop for x86 only or does it work with arm devices? when i tried to run it, i got a bunch of messages about x86 MSRs.
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862 [13:54:36] <bolovanos> Hi, what jabber server on Deb 9 - dem.: easy install/setup (existing tutorial from A-Z), encrypted, running c2s (clients android, win10/7) would you recommend? Found ejabberd, MongooseIM - but tutorials are not easy to find...
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869 [14:00:32] <abrock> I have a C++ program which I want to profile using callgrind. I compiled it with debug symbols: -g -ggdb. I ran it with "valgrind --tool=callgrind myprogram" and I look at the result with kcachegrind but the result doesn't contain any function name: replaced-url
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873 [14:01:40] <dutchfish> abrock, maybe this is for #debian-mentors (OFTC)?
874 [14:02:33] <dutchfish> abrock, as far as my knowledge go, valgrind need to be pointed at your lib for this, not main();
875 [14:03:55] <dutchfish> abrock, and that lib need debugsymbols of coouse.
876 [14:04:02] <dutchfish> couse*
877 [14:04:28] <dutchfish> abrock, or installed as a dbg packages.
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881 [14:06:08] <dutchfish> abrock, assuming you have the correct header files in place.
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887 [14:08:28] <dutchfish> abrock, so probably libc6-dbg is what you need?
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889 [14:10:16] <dutchfish> abrock, which contains the symbols for ld-2.27.so
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895 [14:16:05] <abrock> I have libc6-dbg installed already
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900 [14:19:56] <dutchfish> abrock, you need also to use -g for all the steps (compiling your source files and linking).
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904 [14:20:28] <dutchfish> abrock, beyond that, i dont know. maybe then ask #debian-mentors (OFTC).
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906 [14:21:01] <dutchfish> abrock, installing debug symbols alone is not enough.
907 [14:21:04] <themill> ##C++ is likely a better place unless this is about a package
908 [14:21:20] <dutchfish> themill, yes, good hint. Thank you.
909 [14:22:12] <abrock> themill: thank you, I didn't know about that channel
910 [14:22:18] <abrock> I'll ask there
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912 [14:25:14] <themill> ##workingset used to be a good place too, no idea how active they are now
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981 [15:53:57] <jhutchins> ,v roundcube
982 [15:53:59] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u9; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+5; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u2; buster: 1.3.6+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.3.6+dfsg.1-1
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986 [15:56:22] <simpledoc> Can you guys help me with what causing gdm fail to load during boot in kali, i know maybe you won't accept kali queries here but maybe you've some solution ?
987 [15:57:24] <jhutchins> simpledoc: We can't know what they've changed that might make it fail.
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989 [15:58:02] <simpledoc> okay.. anyways thanks!
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1038 [16:59:21] <Heston> hxmuller, you were definitely right, ubuntu is using mtp for my android phone's storage
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1043 [17:07:56] <nikio_> why doesnt debian simply support 3.6/
1044 [17:08:01] <nikio_> python 3.6?
1045 [17:08:06] <nikio_> debian stretch
1046 [17:08:15] <CashDash123> What should I do if steam complains about not being able to find the bootstrap? I'm on my 32 bit laptop
1047 [17:08:23] <nikio_> isnt that supposed to be the one which uses the latest packages
1048 [17:08:25] <CashDash123> don't chastise me
1049 [17:09:34] <bitess> nikio_: stretch is the latest debian stable and only gets security updates.
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1052 [17:10:45] <Profiler> replaced-url
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1054 [17:11:26] <nikio_> bitess, :s
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1063 [17:23:00] <themill> nikio_: many many python packages in stretch are not compatible with Python 3.6. It's actually a lot of work to upgrade the interpreter.
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1065 [17:24:30] <themill> (the work to get packages functioning with python 3.7 has been going for over a month now)
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1069 [17:29:54] <nikio_> wew
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1076 [17:42:43] <themill> abrock: ##C++
1077 [17:43:09] <Urchin> abrock: you might need to register
1078 [17:46:26] <themill> yes, unidentified users are quieted in there
1079 [17:51:08] <jhutchins> ,v nagios
1080 [17:51:09] <judd> No package named 'nagios' was found in amd64.
1081 [17:51:40] <pingfloyd> abrock: why bother with a language that has a multiple personality disorder?
1082 [17:51:47] <jhutchins> Sigh. Nagios works out of the box (with configuration). Icinga requires coding. What else is available?
1083 [17:52:44] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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1100 [18:15:19] <NetTerminalGene> ,v mpv
1101 [18:15:20] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; buster: 0.27.2-1+b1; sid: 0.27.2-1+b1; experimental: 0.28.2-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.27.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:0.28.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.28.2-dmo1
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1151 [19:04:57] <rant> peaceguy: he'p ya som'n son?
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1166 [19:20:05] <peaceguy> hello rant
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1168 [19:20:54] <peaceguy> yes rant if you can answer me does Debian have a free kernel?
1169 [19:23:35] <annadane> ^ all software in debian is free by default
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1173 [19:24:59] <epsilon> free in term of money, license or open/close-source?
1174 [19:26:05] <annadane> !dfsg
1175 [19:26:05] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
1176 [19:26:09] <annadane> free as in that
1177 [19:26:29] <annadane> so, open source, and license, due to the GPL
1178 [19:27:08] <annadane> well, not just GPL, see item 10 in that link
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1180 [19:28:33] <peaceguy> in terms of not having any binary blobs or what they're called that are not free licensed
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1182 [19:28:47] <peaceguy> so that it's completely free libre open source software
1183 [19:29:18] <annadane> right
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1185 [19:29:44] <peaceguy> so it is? the kernel?
1186 [19:29:53] <annadane> yes
1187 [19:29:56] <peaceguy> there is no for example drivers or
1188 [19:30:10] <peaceguy> and the default repositories are free
1189 [19:30:12] <peaceguy> that's great
1190 [19:30:43] <bitess> non-free drivers are put in a separate non-free package.
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1195 [19:31:30] <bitess> ,i firmware-linux-nonfree
1196 [19:31:31] <judd> Package firmware-linux-nonfree (non-free/metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (meta-package). Version: 20161130-3; Size: 13.5k; Installed: 19k
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1199 [19:33:42] <peaceguy> so the default install is completely free both the kernel and the repositories
1200 [19:34:12] <bitess> yes...
1201 [19:34:29] <peaceguy> thanks
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1213 [19:40:46] <peaceguy> can anyone provide some guide for full disk encryption and hardware requirements for it?
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1221 [19:44:28] <rant> peaceguy: it requires a disk.. and modern cpu with aesni would be preferable to cut down the overhead, but other than that.. there are no hardware requirements
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1225 [19:45:21] <peaceguy> i meant if i used some 1.1 ghz cpu from 2016 it would not have problems
1226 [19:45:29] <peaceguy> it would access the hdd relatively fast
1227 [19:45:30] <rant> peaceguy: as for the guide.. its not actually possible to do "full disk" encryption without a place for grub and the kernel/initrd to sit.. so you still need a /boot thats not encrypted
1228 [19:45:31] <peaceguy> after the install
1229 [19:45:46] <peaceguy> yes of course boot doesn't have to be
1230 [19:46:11] <rant> peaceguy: the speed of the cpu is sort of irrelevant, if you don't have crypto in the cpu its gonna be noticibly slow..
1231 [19:46:13] <peaceguy> sorry for asking about full disk i meant to say /home encryption; where home will span the whole hdd
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1233 [19:46:52] <rant> ah well thats far easier and can be done post-install and doesn't really involve the intricacies of figuring out how to boot since /home is non-essential
1234 [19:47:07] <hxmuller> peaceguy: replaced-url
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1236 [19:47:47] <peaceguy> so the only parameter to look for in the cpu is aesni?
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1239 [19:48:16] <peaceguy> it isn't important how well it performs on the aes test?
1240 [19:49:00] <rant> you run "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdX" where X is the device that you are making /home, then you "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdX home" and "mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/home" then you "blkid /dev/sdX" and put that UUID into /etc/crypttab and then make an /etc/fstab entry for whatever /dev/mapper/home type name you give it in /etc/cryptab and you're done
1241 [19:49:46] <peaceguy> that is the procedure for cli install and encryption of /home?
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1244 [19:50:12] <rant> yes. You can do it in the installer, but the manual method is pretty straightforward
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1246 [19:51:10] <peaceguy> yes probably i will be able to create the partition, just two partitions on the new hdd
1247 [19:51:47] <peaceguy> i was interested in this because i sometimes had problems where installation formatted /home even though i didn't specify that action
1248 [19:51:55] <peaceguy> was nothing important there but still..
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1252 [19:52:38] <rant> you also will want to keep header backups of the luks container, and preferably on a safe offline storage or encrypted somewhere as the headers can be used to try brute force the disk and if they become corrupt all data is lost.. so its very important to keep header backups and keep them secure
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1254 [19:52:55] <rant> something like puttin em on a CD / Thumbdrive and keeping it in a safe or something would be fine
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1256 [19:53:35] <peaceguy> is that for the full encryption of / and /home or just for /home?
1257 [19:54:33] <rant> thats for just /home we're talking about but it'd be the same proceedure for / only difference being you need a seperate /boot and you'd have to modify grub command lines to point to /vmlinuz and such rather than /boot/vmlinuz because grub is relative
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1259 [19:54:58] <rant> and it'd only be having access to /boot initially rather than /
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1261 [19:55:33] <rant> I'm still figuring this out myself. I got an install here I'm trying to get bootable right now that I setup via chroot
1262 [19:55:46] <rant> this is my first time encrypting /
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1265 [19:56:50] <annadane> i'm trying to add an alias for youtube-dl in virtualenv to cd to youtube-dl/bin/activate and then pip install youtube-dl -U, why is it saying bash: alias: youtube-dl/bin/activate: not found when i source .bash_aliases?
1266 [19:57:19] <annadane> the entry in .bash_aliases is alias 'yt'=source youtube-dl/bin/activate && pip install youtube-dl -U
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1268 [19:58:09] <annadane> and then bash: source: filename argument required
1269 [19:58:19] <bitess> because you quoted the wrong end.
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1272 [19:58:51] <annadane> thanks, fixed
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1287 [20:18:24] <peaceguy> so when i encrypt /home will i have to type the password everytime i login?
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1306 [20:35:41] <jimbzy> How can one disable a laptop's keyboard in Stretch?
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1309 [20:39:46] <mtn> jimbzy: does this help? replaced-url
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1312 [20:41:46] <jimbzy> No because my browser ius going bonkers because keys are stuck
1313 [20:42:12] <jimbzy> Tahts wh i asked here
1314 [20:42:14] <mtn> jimbzy: use another computer/phone/tablet, etc
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1317 [20:44:17] <mtn> jimbzy: or, just click the link ;)
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1352 [21:17:04] <rant> so it would appear the reason this system I setup via chroot is not booting is due to the fact that grub had installed/configured with root= the UUID of the ext4 fs INSIDE the luks container which grub cannot find because.. well its INISDE a luks container :P can anyone tell me what needs to be done here? will just setting it to the UUID of the luks partition solve this or does something else need to be
1353 [21:17:10] <rant> done for grub to find the rootfs?
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1357 [21:19:13] <rant> all this trial and error having to boot and mount /boot, open the luks container, mount the rootfs, bind /dev, /proc, and /sys and chroot is getting old. It'd be nice to just know what needs to be done rather than guessing and keep being wrong :P
1358 [21:19:29] <peaceguy> that's so frustrating
1359 [21:19:38] <peaceguy> it should be much more straightforward
1360 [21:19:40] <peaceguy> if you ask me
1361 [21:19:57] <peaceguy> complicated with encrypted /boot and all that
1362 [21:20:50] <rant> yeah I been using Debian for ages and ever since grub became the norm, I never really learned this stuff.. cause grub does everything all automagically which is nice when its a simple setup and it auto-configures correctly.. but figuring out how to deal with situations where it doesnt is another story
1363 [21:21:05] <Heston> you'd have to have the container decrypted before you could reference that partition
1364 [21:22:13] <Heston> it sounds like you're trying to boot with an encrypted /boot effectively?
1365 [21:22:28] <rant> Heston: yes but do you know anything about this? Do I gotta actually mount my initrd and finagle crap manually or is it already setup to handle this stuff?
1366 [21:22:42] <rant> no my /boot is unencrypted its my ROOT that is encrypted
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1369 [21:24:26] <Heston> I don't know enough to say, sorry
1370 [21:24:40] <rant> I have a 320GB disk currently /dev/sdc: sdc1: ext4 /boot 74395840-fb41-4512-8b35-738b0ec811be and sdc2: luks 6eb96dda-efd3-40df-890b-afd3b87bcca8 with an ext4 rootfs inside that is eb8c4d45-b77d-4ec2-95d9-0593029b593d
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1374 [21:26:02] <rant> grub.cfg shows --set=root 74395840-fb41-4512-8b35-738b0ec811be and the kernel command line is linux /vmlinuz-4.9.0-7-amd64 root=UUID=eb8c4d45-b77d-4ec2-95d9-0593029b593d ro quiet
1375 [21:26:04] <ntd> LILO FTW!
1376 [21:26:11] <rant> ntd: I know, right?
1377 [21:26:13] <rant> heh
1378 [21:26:16] <ntd> heh :)
1379 [21:26:24] <rant> I seriously considered it.. as I knew lilo well
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1381 [21:26:47] <ntd> you'll need core-/libreboot for encrypted boot
1382 [21:27:13] <ntd> ofc, lilo password protection and a sturdy cabinet was sweet
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1384 [21:27:35] <rant> as you can see the --set=root is my /boot partition and the commandline is using relative paths to that /vmlinuz.. rather than /boot/vmlinuz.. but the actual root= kernel command line is using the UUID of the actual rootfs INSIDE luks
1385 [21:28:19] <rant> and that root=UUID=eb8c4d45-b77d-4ec2-95d9-0593029b593d is what's causing me to wind up in initramfs
1386 [21:28:42] <rant> so that makes me think that something needs to be changed in initrd to actually open the luks container
1387 [21:29:00] <rant> and that grub is actually configured properly, and this is an initrd issue
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1394 [21:36:01] <violentE> I'm having issue booting debian (encrypted) on a mac. I've tried: replaced-url
1395 [21:36:01] <violentE> files (I've tried recovering with both) I've also tried restarting after I get the freeze message. What would be the next thing to look into? I'm really new to grub and I don't know how to proceed
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1398 [21:38:52] <Heston> rant, from what i've read you need to use the UUID of the encrypted partition containing root
1399 [21:39:12] <Heston> not the encrypted partitions UUID
1400 [21:39:28] <frostschutz> rant, it's possible to support crypto / LUKS in grub, but an unencrypted boot partition makes life a lot easier
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1402 [21:39:57] <Heston> er not root's UUID i mean
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1406 [21:43:25] <rant> I'll say this one last time for the cheap seats I HAVE AN UNENCRYPTED /boot PARTITION
1407 [21:43:28] <rant> heh
1408 [21:43:39] <rant> What I need to know is how to get this to boot..
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1411 [21:44:19] <rant> Heston: idk that sounds like what you read was mentally challenged and you're gullible for believing it :P
1412 [21:44:40] <rant> cause device names are not reliable, thats why we made UUIDs and they're interchangable
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1414 [21:45:07] <rant> for one thing I'm in a chroot now, this is sdc, when I boot its going to be sdb
1415 [21:45:26] <rant> this is why we use UUID
1416 [21:45:27] <Heston> i never said don't use a UUID, but dont reference one embedded in a luks container
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1418 [21:46:12] <rant> then how do you propose I boot a system whose rootfs is embedded in a luks container?
1419 [21:46:30] <rant> you think telling the kernel the rootfs is not where it actually is, would be more constructive? :P
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1421 [21:47:06] <rant> and mind you I didnt do this, grub did this automagically and I'm pretty sure this much is correct
1422 [21:47:20] <rant> as the errors are not grub errors, its dropping me into initramfs
1423 [21:47:34] <rant> suggesting the problem is opening the luks container
1424 [21:47:44] <rant> which afaik grub can't do anyhow
1425 [21:48:55] <Heston> what does your grub.cfg look like
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1434 [21:55:04] <rant> if you wanna see it in its entirety I'll upload it but I explained in accurate detail the important parts of my partitioning and grub setup
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1436 [21:55:46] <rander3> hello
1437 [21:56:02] <rant> replaced-url
1438 [21:56:46] <rant> contrary to the warning, I did edit that manually and removed the entire OS Prober section because I did not want the OS on the system I'm working from in this grub install, and didnt know how to stop it..
1439 [21:56:50] <rander3> I have a problem with xfce4 : when I try to login, the system don't accept the user
1440 [21:57:14] <rander3> now I'm using [alt]+f2 shell
1441 [21:57:20] <rander3> with irssi
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1443 [21:59:45] <rant> rander3: you'd have to try explain that a little better. only things that come to my mind is you put a space before the user name and tried to login as an invalid user or something is wrong like the user's homedir is read-only and its logging back out immediately due to this
1444 [22:00:25] <rant> "system don't accept the user" is vague as can be
1445 [22:01:27] <rant> contrary to the whining behavior typical these days "acceptance" isn't really important.. your system doesn't need to accept you..
1446 [22:01:35] <Heston> rant, try `linux /vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=6eb96dda-efd3-40df-890b-afd3b87bcca rw cryptdevice=/dev/disk/by-uuid/eb8c4d45-b77d-4ec2-95d9-0593029b593d:root quiet`
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1448 [22:01:44] <rander3> rant yes, if I insert a invalid username , the system give me a error
1449 [22:01:58] <rant> rander3: its suppose to do that
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1451 [22:02:28] <rant> thats why its called a login not a user account creator
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1454 [22:03:22] <rander3> rant how may I solve this problem ?
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1456 [22:03:37] <rant> Heston: I can give that a whirl I suppose but thats still using the FS's uuid and I dont see how anything at that stage would even know about that
1457 [22:03:55] <rant> rander3: add the damn user before trying to login. Use the adduser command
1458 [22:04:20] <rant> obviously you can only login as a valid username
1459 [22:04:26] <rander3> rant I create a now user and try to login with it ?
1460 [22:04:39] <rant> sure. thats the idea
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1462 [22:05:27] <rant> though I'm still not clear on if you are having an issue with a valid user or just trying to login as random user names that don't exist.. in which case it sounds like a PICNIC to me
1463 [22:05:38] <rander3> rant nothing, it's the same
1464 [22:06:29] <rander3> I had create a new username, but it's the same
1465 [22:06:32] <Heston> rant, you're currently telling grub to use a partition within a luks container that it can't see
1466 [22:06:44] <rant> you need to either explain what you are doing and what you expect to happen, and what is actually happening better, or you need to follow typical PICNIC diagnostics and replace the user and bang head off keyboard to continue
1467 [22:07:47] <rant> I am having to make so many assumptions as to what your issue even is, my occams razor is going dull
1468 [22:08:19] <Heston> i worded that poorly. you're currently telling grub to use a partition that it can't see that exists within a luks container
1469 [22:08:19] <rander3> I login correctly from the shell [alt]+F? , but now by X
1470 [22:09:10] <rant> Heston: no, I'm telling grub where to find its config and images correctly, and then I'm telling LINUX what the UUID of its root partition is.. heh
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1473 [22:09:25] <gunix> can you use apparmor profiles from ubuntu on debian?
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1475 [22:09:33] <rander3> rant : may I try to re-install xfce4 ?
1476 [22:09:43] <rant> Heston: that part of the grub config is parsed by the kernel after its loaded, not by grub.. its the kernel command line
1477 [22:09:53] <rander3> is it userfull or I'm wasting my time ?
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1480 [22:10:16] <gunix> for example this apparmor profile is something that could come handy on debian: replaced-url
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1482 [22:10:52] <rant> rander3: what SPECIFICALLY is happening when you try login via your Display Manager (DM) in X? is it giving an error, is it making the login screen flash off like its about to login, then coming back to the login screen?
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1484 [22:11:44] <Heston> rant, ok so grub parses it and passes it to the kernel
1485 [22:11:48] <rander3> rant: the screen became black for a moment, and re appare the login screen
1486 [22:12:07] <rant> gunix: I don't know anything about it, but I dont see why not.. its probably one of those try it and see kinda things but policy files like that would only not work if they used a feature not implemented and I am doubtful that would be the case
1487 [22:12:26] <rander3> insted with a wrong usermane/pass the system give me error
1488 [22:13:13] <gunix> rant: did you try using apparmor on debian?
1489 [22:13:41] <rant> Heston: If what you suggested works, it would only be because cryptroot= means something to the initrd which then opens the luks container.. but I dont see how it'd know where to find the luks container itself if I only told it the UUID of an FS inside it as you suggested
1490 [22:13:43] <gunix> rant: i would like to go for debian instead of ubuntu for a new laptop but i feel like i would be missing out on LXD and apparmor...
1491 [22:14:22] <rant> rander3: ok.. do you have any idea which DM you are using?
1492 [22:14:46] <rant> gunix: not sure what LXD is offhand but apparmor is in debian
1493 [22:15:11] <rander3> lightdm --session-child 19 24
1494 [22:15:30] <Heston> rant, because root= is currently set as the luks partition containing root
1495 [22:15:46] <rander3> /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
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1498 [22:16:35] <rant> Heston: no its not.. --set=root is telling it where /boot is and the root= is the same UUID of the FS you pasted to me.
1499 [22:16:48] <rant> Heston: nowhere in any of this is the luks container's UUID mentioned
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1501 [22:17:11] <rant> only in /etc/cryptab is that mentioned and obviously thats not accessible until after the rootfs is accessible
1502 [22:17:20] <rant> unless its somehow copying this info to the initrd
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1504 [22:18:04] <dracc> rtorrent is broken on Debian Testing. :o
1505 [22:18:09] <rant> rander3: have you examined the logs for Xorg, lightdm, or the session logs in the user's homedir?
1506 [22:18:24] <dracc> Can't start due to libcurl3-openssl missing. :(
1507 [22:18:31] <rant> rander3: most common cause I've seen of it immediately logging out is that the user's homedir is inaccessible
1508 [22:19:19] <rant> rander3: another cause might be that the session type is invalid.. i.e. its trying to start SuperDesktopEnvironment when no such thing exists or is not in the path
1509 [22:19:41] <rander3> now I log in , but I de-install xfce4 and I kill 2 times /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg
1510 [22:20:19] <rant> o.O
1511 [22:20:25] <rander3> now I try to re-install xfce4
1512 [22:20:39] <rant> I'd try read the logs if it were me
1513 [22:21:02] <Heston> rant, im talking about in the line i said to try
1514 [22:22:13] <rant> Heston: ah, I didn't notice that part of it.. you sure thats not backwards?
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1517 [22:23:01] <rant> cause I'm not familiar with the options obviously.. but the crypt device is the other one, and the actual rootfs is the one you have as the crypt device
1518 [22:23:12] <rant> linux /vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=6eb96dda-efd3-40df-890b-afd3b87bcca rw
1519 [22:23:20] <rant> cryptdevice=/dev/disk/by-uuid/eb8c4d45-b77d-4ec2-95d9-0593029b593d:root quiet
1520 [22:23:48] <rant> the 6e..ca is the luks container the eb..3d is the ext4 rootfs inside
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1525 [22:25:50] <rant> I do vaguly recall reading something about the cryptdevice thing somewhere before..
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1527 [22:26:17] <Heston> rant, i think you're right
1528 [22:27:35] <rant> so then the grub.cfg is all right as-is just missing the cryptdevice= which rather than modifying that there, I can just put the cryptdevice= into /etc/default/grub under the cmdline linux so it'll be added to all
1529 [22:28:05] <rant> then when new kernels install it'll always have that line in there
1530 [22:28:39] <rant> however if the root= is suppose to be the luks UUID like you'd said it before, then that complicates things :P
1531 [22:29:01] <rant> cause grub is already correctly putting the right root= in there its just not aware of the luks
1532 [22:29:18] <Heston> i wasn't entirely sure, I was just about to mention they might need to be swapped but im pretty sure you're correct
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1534 [22:29:53] <rant> well I'll find out if that works putting it in /etc/default/grub in a few minutes.. I was just eating here..
1535 [22:30:02] <Heston> sounds good
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1537 [22:31:01] <rant> thanks for helpin out, I totally forgot about that cryptdevice= parameter.. I never actually used this kinda setup before I used to only encrypt /home or actual sensitive material
1538 [22:31:28] <rant> now that its 1984 I have concerns :P
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1541 [22:32:39] <Heston> luckily if you're system is backdoored encryption wont matter :)
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1543 [22:33:31] <rant> yeah.. well.. the govt has been indexing my fs lately.. heh.. either that or something is really wrong with caja
1544 [22:33:38] <Heston> one of the largest and most used security companies in the world using hardcoded backdoors, yay cisco
1545 [22:34:10] <Heston> they're just looking for any bitcoin wallets, no big deal
1546 [22:34:55] <rant> ah well I'd have to save up to be broke, if anyone tried to rob me all they'd get is practice.. I never had any bitcoin and wouldnt know what to do with it if I did.
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1548 [22:37:07] <Heston> bitcoin, proof of wasted electricity
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1550 [22:38:43] <rant> maybe pot growers could also mine a lil bitcoin and use that as an excuse for why they're consuming so much electricity and giving off so much heat :P
1551 [22:38:57] <rant> then use it to mask their transactions
1552 [22:39:32] <Heston> you're a little off from the times man. Pot is legal and there's LED lights
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1554 [22:41:06] <Heston> anyways, hope that works out, gotta run o/
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1570 [22:53:36] <violentE> Reposting: I'm having issue booting debian (encrypted) on a mac. I've tried: replaced-url
1571 [22:53:36] <violentE> 2 initrd files (I've tried recovering with both) I've also tried restarting after I get the freeze message. What would be the next thing to look into?
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1580 [23:08:37] <hxmuller> Why is $HOME/bin added to PATH in .profile and not in .bashrc? Seems the latter would be preferable since .profile sources .bashrc by default
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1608 [23:28:11] <brieweb> I am trying to get dovecot going. it seems to have started, but I can't connect
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1617 [23:35:26] <brieweb> where is it for dovecot that you tell it to use imap?
1618 [23:35:33] <brieweb> I mean Maildir
1619 [23:35:36] <brieweb> derp
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1621 [23:37:32] <Tom-_> hxmuller, i don't know, some thought appears to have been put into it so i wouldn't change it
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1628 [23:42:32] <brieweb> doveconf -n shows the current settings?
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1630 [23:44:12] <rustbuckett> hxmuller: it only sources .bashrc if it exists. by putting it in .profile, it's always loaded. just a guess really.
1631 [23:44:21] <hxmuller> I moved it. my X interactive non-login shells want to know about $HOME/bin too
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1636 [23:45:48] <rustbuckett> word. i don't think it really matters. really you could put it in both and if they both get loaded, one will just overwrite the other. but that would be kinda dumb.
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1639 [23:46:29] <rustbuckett> and i agree with Tom-_
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1643 [23:47:27] <rustbuckett> if it ain't borked, don't fix it. but it sounds like it was borked.
1644 [23:48:04] <hxmuller> they were default dot files from a standard install
1645 [23:50:11] <hxmuller> and if you just add it to .bashrc and not take it out of .profile, then you get two $HOME/bin in a console or tty login
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1649 [23:51:06] <Sveta> hi :) something locked dpkg but I am not sure what it is, not me: replaced-url
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1655 [23:54:50] <Sveta> It disappeared by itself, but it would be interesting to know what it was.
1656 [23:55:54] <hxmuller> Sveta: next time you can run: sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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1658 [23:56:08] <hxmuller> to see what it was
1659 [23:56:56] <Sveta> Ok, thanks. :)
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1665 [23:58:59] <rustbuckett> hxmuller: yeah i know they're default files. and i guess you would get a double if you put it in both places (which would be a silly thing to do, like is said)
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