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10 [00:04:30] <ksk> darsie: debian on arm should be ontopic in here as far as I can tell.
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12 [00:06:05] <darsie> ksk: ok. Do you realize ppl make debian based distros for arm computers: replaced-url
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14 [00:06:37] <antto> !armbian
15 [00:06:38] <dpkg> Armbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for several <ARM> processors. Armbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Use replaced-url
16 [00:06:41] <ksk> !tell darsie about based on debian
17 [00:06:46] <darsie> I'm not sure if that is still debian. I mean, ubuntu is debian based, too.
18 [00:07:00] <ksk> many people do base distros on debian, that is totally accepted.
19 [00:07:25] <ksk> these distros are just not supported in here.
20 [00:07:31] <darsie> ok
21 [00:09:24] <darsie> Ohh, it is #armbian , but it's +s so alis didn't list it.
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26 [00:12:06] <hemebond> If there is a problem in the SystemD unit/socket files for clamav-daemon on Debian Jessie, is that raised on the Debian bug tracker or with ClamD?
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72 [01:10:10] <rant> yes well armbian at least isn't a "distro based on debian" per se.. its just an installer, kernel, and some drivers / hw support packages FOR debian or ubuntu
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74 [01:11:03] <rant> ubuntu however is a whole different distro
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76 [01:12:13] <rant> the armbian repos don't have anywhere near enough for even a base install much less a full distro.. has a kernel, some video driver packages, and thats about it
77 [01:12:23] <Heston> i thought debian already had support for arm
78 [01:12:46] <rant> it does but doesnt have the driver support for most the SBCs armbian covers
79 [01:13:31] <rant> like when I bought my orangepi lite the video drivers weren't mainlined yet
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81 [01:14:12] <rant> now you could probably install debian natively but 6-12mo ago you couldn't run debian without armbian's kernel and vdpau hack
82 [01:14:54] <rant> not to mention these boards dont support any sort of USB booting or such.. so debian has no install methods that would work on them
83 [01:15:07] <rant> so you need a custom installer which is what armbian is
84 [01:15:30] <Heston> ah ok
85 [01:15:59] <rant> anyone not supporting armbian in here is just being an ass, unless its a kernel specific issue
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87 [01:16:18] <rant> or someone is using the ubuntu version
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89 [01:16:59] <rant> its no different than running Debian with a custom kernel and custom / manual install
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91 [01:17:23] <rant> it uses our offical stable repo and all our packages unmodified
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93 [01:20:40] <Heston> i guess the drivers are non free?
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95 [01:21:07] <rant> no, they're free.. the ones armbian uses anyhow..
96 [01:21:17] <Heston> oh nice
97 [01:21:37] <rant> its just that until they had mainline support, it required an old 3.x kernel and some seriously rubish hacks
98 [01:22:32] <rant> they're in the business of making ubuntu/debian run on boards so screwed up and proprietary that there is no other option, basically
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100 [01:23:02] <Heston> well it's another win for debian's ubiquity
101 [01:23:04] <rant> they are on the frontlines of bringing open hw support to a wide range of SBCs
102 [01:23:50] <rant> and they rely on either ubuntu or debian to make it possible.. they ship install images for either
103 [01:24:09] <rant> and they build them for a long list of specific hw
104 [01:25:11] <rant> because these boards usually only boot from SD or eMMC and use uboot and have very unsupported proprietary hw, an individualized installer image is required for each board
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107 [01:26:00] <rant> unless and until debian starts duplicating their work, or until they start modifying our packages, there is no reason to not help out by supporting users of it
108 [01:27:05] <rant> because those users are not only testing debian, but testing the work bringing support of that hardware into mainline linux and eventually debian, and other than hw/kernel level support issues there is no difference from a support perspective
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110 [01:28:24] <rant> when they start talking about the install, uboot, kernel, or armbian provided drivers, thats when you direct them to #armbian, #armlinux, #orangepi or such
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112 [01:30:26] <rant> however the end-user support still rightfully belongs here for users of the armbian debian images
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115 [01:36:16] <Heston> apparently there's a few different opinions on that. I'd agree with you though it looks like darsie already left the channel
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117 [01:37:02] <rant> yeah.. they did leave.. and I know there are different opinions.. and they're right on things like ubuntu, mint, kali, raspbian, etc..
118 [01:38:05] <rant> those are actually different distros.. but armbian is not a distro really.. all they're distributing is an installer with kernel and driver packages.. if you look at their repo they dont even have enough for a working system and the sources they use for apt are our official stable repos
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120 [01:38:50] <rant> only time that gets confusing is that they do the same for ubuntu, so its hard to tell when someone who doesnt know better says armbian if they're using ubuntu or debian
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122 [01:39:54] <rant> we can't support things like ubuntu because they're totally different packages and we can't reproduce the issues or use our tools to figure out things about them
123 [01:40:28] <rant> other than hw level support with armbian debian however, there is no difference from a technical standpoint
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126 [01:42:10] <rant> if there is any reason to suspect the issue is kernel related or related to a driver even in xorg, thats different. Though now armbian is using Stretch and linux 4.16 where 6mo ago it was using jessie and linux 3.4.. so its far less likely now non-hw issues would be kernel related anyhow
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128 [01:47:07] <Error_X> test
129 [01:48:29] <rant> fail
130 [01:49:01] <Heston> the computer says noo
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143 [02:06:25] <annadane> are there any GUI frontends to virtualenv?
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204 [03:18:28] <arahael> What is Debian like as a host for running windows guests in VMware, and what is it like at granting direct hardware access (especially USB) to windows?
205 [03:19:00] <arahael> I notice that VMware formally only mentions about 3 distros as supported hosts, and they're all pretty much Redhat or redhat derived.
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212 [03:30:02] <rant> it should work fine.. anything like that should be using dkms to build modules into the kernel and I can't think of any reason the debian kernel would have any issues
213 [03:30:40] <rant> I've only really used Virtualbox in recent years, but I used vmware workstation ages ago on like Woody or Sarge or something
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215 [03:32:39] <rant> right now I'm wondering what sorts of things I could install to manage and organize the huge mess my father has on various media of photos, office docs (excel, word, pdf).. he's gotten to a point he can't find anyhing and probably has duplicates and crap all over the place
216 [03:33:32] <rant> he's not real big on keyboard use or learning new things either, and obviously has organizational issues.. so idk :P
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218 [03:34:35] <rant> only thing I know of is TheBrain, and its commercial and not really all that easy to learn/use
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220 [03:37:30] <hanasaki> what will scan all docs in a scanner feeder to png files? one file per page. xsane is creating pnm files. simplescan doesn't do file per page
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228 [03:45:18] <arahael> rant: I've recently been shown "notion.so", interesting web-based app, that. As for photos, I use digikam.
229 [03:45:53] <arahael> hanasaki: Might be able to script something there, perhaps something that converts from pnm files? (Eg, imagemagick?)
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231 [03:46:48] <arahael> rant: VMware *should* be using dkms, but are they?
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235 [03:50:21] * arahael doesn't think VMware really uses dkms.
236 [03:50:26] <rant> hanasaki: scanimage --format=png --batch=myfilename%d.png
237 [03:52:49] <rant> hanasaki: add a zenity dilog for the filename and make a shortcut (.destop file) and viola
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287 [05:27:23] <samnob> rant: Your armbian insights from earlier are appreciated. Who do we have to convince to get that bot's !armbian answer nuanced?
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298 [05:47:59] <arahael> What insight was that?
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301 [05:50:47] <rant> !armbian
302 [05:50:47] <dpkg> Armbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for several <ARM> processors. Armbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Use replaced-url
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320 [06:15:56] <rant> samnob: how's it look now?
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325 [06:19:19] <rant> dpkg, armbian?
326 [06:19:19] <dpkg> Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. General end-user support for the Debian image installations: #debian, kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian.
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332 [06:26:04] <rant> basically armbian is 3 things a github project for compiling images with their custom installer scripts, prebuilt images for about 3 dozen or so boards, and a small apt repository with kernels, drivers, and a utility or two. Its not even remotely close to a usable distribution on its own nor does anything they do modify the pure official repositories of Debian or Ubuntu in any way, so general end-user
333 [06:26:10] <rant> support can be provided in those Distro's respective channels as long as any questions releated to building armbian, using their installers, or issues with their kernels/drivers/utils is taken to #armbian
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335 [06:27:13] <rant> its no different than using debian with a custom or manual install and kernel, with some third-party firmware or drivers which we support all the time
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343 [06:34:37] <rant> the armbian community cannot thrive without our help, its too small and our distro too large.. and we cannot gain support of new arm hardware without paying that due.
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346 [06:35:57] <rant> there is no technical debt to consider beyond the install/kernel level in providing user level support
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348 [06:37:14] <uxbal> hey guys, i have a question about KDE on Debian, is it well supported and has a significant userbase?
349 [06:37:42] <rant> uxbal: sure, just not so much in here specifically.
350 [06:38:27] <uxbal> rant thanks, i'd like to use it, but was afraid it's somewhat a second class citizen
351 [06:38:31] <rant> uxbal: there is a special channel on the official irc network of Debian for kde and gnome, many of the users here on this legacy support network are savvy enough we don't se those things
352 [06:39:24] <uxbal> thanks rant, will check it out!
353 [06:39:29] <rant> uxbal: na, more a village idiot, with full citizenship :P
354 [06:40:01] <rant> but since 'e's kinda dense, nobody really understands 'im
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456 [09:06:58] <qqz> git pull 'replaced-url
457 [09:07:21] <qqz> is this a temporary error or do I need to change the download URL for the kernel
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482 [09:40:53] <dminuoso> qqz: Probably temporary?
483 [09:41:03] <dminuoso> qqz: Do you have a HTTP proxy or a firewall configured?
484 [09:41:17] <dminuoso> qqz: Or let me say it like this: Works for me.
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515 [10:15:46] <NetTerminalGene> why is microsoft debconf's gold sponsor?
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518 [10:17:31] <Haohmaru> is this a trick question?
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521 [10:18:29] <dminuoso> NetTerminalGene: Microsoft is not an evil company.
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523 [10:19:18] <MINIMAN10000> Alright so I'm here because I'm trying to figure out if I can make it so I boot with only 1 /sbin/udevd --daemon instead of the 3 that start at boot
524 [10:19:51] <petn-randall> MINIMAN10000: On which release?
525 [10:20:00] <MINIMAN10000> 7
526 [10:20:05] <MINIMAN10000> minimal
527 [10:20:17] <petn-randall> !wheezy
528 [10:20:18] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
529 [10:20:52] <petn-randall> MINIMAN10000: Security and other support for wheezy ended two years ago, time to upgrade.
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531 [10:22:03] <MINIMAN10000> vps provider doesn't have a 32 bit build of debian 8
532 [10:22:20] <dminuoso> NetTerminalGene: For a while now MS has started to embrace open source and contribute a lot.
533 [10:22:38] <dminuoso> MS has already been the largest contributor on github for a while now I think?
534 [10:22:51] <petn-randall> "contributor". They bought it. :)
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536 [10:22:55] <dminuoso> petn-randall: Before that even.
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538 [10:24:10] <NetTerminalGene> yeah. i heard something like they are the biggest conctributor
539 [10:24:21] <NetTerminalGene> interesting
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541 [10:25:07] <NetTerminalGene> gnu/linux become an ideal desktop, but they still contribute it!
542 [10:25:30] <petn-randall> Google has been by far the largest sponsor of FOSS. If you sample a few conference, you'll always see them at the top.
543 [10:25:46] <petn-randall> However, it might be better if we move the discussion over to #debian-offtopic.
544 [10:25:50] <pingfloyd> they're just trying to hijack oss, just like they do with everything else.
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547 [10:26:36] <pingfloyd> MS has a pattern of, "if you can't beat 'em, assimilate 'em"
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570 [10:46:48] <jelly> MINIMAN10000, note that three visible processes does not mean they eat three times as much RAM
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572 [10:47:01] <MINIMAN10000> I was noticing that when I terminated them yeah
573 [10:47:33] <jelly> they're probably just children of a daemon with a forking model
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575 [10:48:37] <MINIMAN10000> 30 MB doesn't seem like the worst overhead
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579 [10:50:15] <jelly> if you really want to get rid of udev, you can go back to static /dev and hope hardware never changes
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581 [10:51:20] <MINIMAN10000> would a reboot update a static /dev?
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584 [10:51:54] <MINIMAN10000> last thing you'd want to do is lose the ability to interface lol
585 [10:52:04] <jelly> it would not. But these days even minimal distros like openwrt use udev or similar.
586 [10:52:30] <MINIMAN10000> well I figure minimal distros like openwrt have more than 128 mb ram
587 [10:52:47] <jelly> my router at home has 128MB and
588 [10:52:51] <jelly> tmpfs 512 0 512 0% /dev
589 [10:53:04] <MINIMAN10000> interesting
590 [10:53:46] <jelly> I probably wouldn't go below 256MB for proper Debian, not because of udev, but because of apt-get and dpkg
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594 [10:55:32] <jelly> if however your environment is a VPS container without its own kernel, you _might_ not need udev at al
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646 [11:55:16] <bugaloo> Hi all! I'm having a issue mounting SD card on my debian 9. It works fine on my camera, and the same card works fine at the same computer using Windows, so I don't think the card is the problem. I have posted the syslog output here: replaced-url
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649 [11:58:53] <aurelien> bugaloo: and your card reader is correctly recognize by debian?
650 [11:59:00] <aurelien> bugaloo: lspci
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655 [12:01:19] <bugaloo> aurelien, lspci: replaced-url
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657 [12:02:58] <bugaloo> I got other sdcard working before. But I'm not sure if I was using the same adapter (it's a microsd using a sd adapter). However, as I said before, the same card with same adapter works perfectly in the same computer using windows.
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659 [12:03:45] <zentris> Thoughts on this design? replaced-url
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661 [12:04:03] <bugaloo> If it wasn't working with windows, I'd be sure the problem is the card. But I'm still not convinced that this is the case here.
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664 [12:05:31] <bugaloo> I also found a lot of people with the same problem on the forums, but not a good solution yet :(
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670 [12:08:33] <zentris> which wifi card is it?
671 [12:09:11] <bugaloo> zentris, wifi card?
672 [12:09:34] <bugaloo> it's a sdcard issue
673 [12:09:42] <zentris> nvm i assumed
674 [12:09:49] <bugaloo> no problem
675 [12:09:51] <zentris> did u recently buy the sdcard?
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677 [12:10:29] <bugaloo> nope. I use it on my camera and transfer my photos to another computer using ubuntu with no issues. also, the same card works fine on the same computer when using windows.
678 [12:10:41] <bugaloo> or a live cd with ubuntu
679 [12:11:02] <bugaloo> it only doesn't work on debian 9 (and it didn't work before on debian 8)
680 [12:11:03] <zentris> oh okay sorry I missed your conversation as I joined, thought it was about something else
681 [12:11:17] <zentris> bunch of sandisk sdcards are fake, being sold right now as real
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683 [12:11:31] <zentris> in Canada a ton got sold from Amazon directly
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700 [12:25:21] <luna_> replaced-url
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702 [12:29:17] <jelly> how far to bittin, it's bittin I'm missin' ♫
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704 [12:34:03] <klys> hey, is anyone else running into trouble with apt-get update today?
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706 [12:35:50] <guiverc> y
707 [12:35:50] <jelly> no, which release
708 [12:36:05] <guiverc> (sorry - 'y' meant for another window; please ignore it)
709 [12:36:15] <klys> sorry, any release I put in there has a problem
710 [12:36:27] <jelly> !bat
711 [12:36:27] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
712 [12:38:09] <petn-randall> klys: See the factoid above. I don't know what you mean with "any release", you shouldn't be switching that without good reason.
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763 [13:25:09] <AndreasLutro> has anyone used kernel 4.17 from stretch-backports successfully? I tried but starting xorg caused cpu hard locks
764 [13:25:52] <jelly> AndreasLutro, on which cpu and gpu?
765 [13:26:24] <AndreasLutro> it's a dell xps - intel i7, dual intel + nvidia gpu
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767 [13:26:52] <jelly> I can try on this sandybridge intel-only. Can you disable nvidia in bios or is that not an option
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769 [13:27:23] <AndreasLutro> I don't think so, I looked all over for card settings to see if I could use bumblebee to optimize battery life but couldn't find anything
770 [13:27:28] <jelly> also, you probably want to install firmware from backports as well
771 [13:27:40] <AndreasLutro> I could try again when I have time though
772 [13:27:45] <AndreasLutro> oh interesting
773 [13:28:29] <AndreasLutro> how do I do that? `apt policy firmware-linux-free` doesn't show a backports version
774 [13:29:00] <jelly> ,v firmware-linux-free
775 [13:29:01] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-free on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2; jessie: 3.3; buster: 3.4; sid: 3.4; stretch: 3.4
776 [13:29:35] <jelly> AndreasLutro, eh, you can grab it from buster or sid in the meantime. I was thinking more of non-free firmware, for intel and nvidia gpus
777 [13:30:52] <AndreasLutro> the only nonfree firmware I have installed is firmware-atheros
778 [13:32:08] <jelly> I am surprised you had graphics working at all, then
779 [13:32:56] <jelly> which specific intel cpu and which nvidia?
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781 [13:33:30] <AndreasLutro> nouveau seems to work fine
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783 [13:34:04] <AndreasLutro> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz
784 [13:34:14] <AndreasLutro> let me figure out how to get the nvidia card info... lspci isn't doing it
785 [13:34:18] <jelly> even with nouveau you need firmware for some things to work properly
786 [13:34:35] <jelly> something like "lspci -nn | grep VGA" might be enough
787 [13:34:47] <AndreasLutro> well I have to assume that's in firmware-linux-free which I do have
788 [13:34:52] <jelly> it's not
789 [13:35:11] <AndreasLutro> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:591b] (rev 04)
790 [13:35:14] <AndreasLutro> the nvidia shows up as 01:00.0 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1c8d] (rev a1)
791 [13:35:19] <darxmurf> AndreasLutro: update-pciids
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793 [13:35:31] <darxmurf> then lspci again :-)
794 [13:35:43] <jelly> gtx 1050 mobile apparently
795 [13:35:43] <darxmurf> (as root)
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797 [13:35:47] <AndreasLutro> ah! nice
798 [13:35:50] <AndreasLutro> yeah
799 [13:36:26] <darxmurf> all good ?
800 [13:36:54] <jelly> that cpu is new enough to have pstate, if the kernel really hard-locked you might have a stack trace saved in pstate post-reboot and be able to see some info
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802 [13:37:02] <jelly> er, not pstate, that other thing
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804 [13:37:29] <AndreasLutro> this is new territory for me
805 [13:37:37] <jelly> nod
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808 [13:42:02] <AndreasLutro> whatever it is, where would I find it? I looked in syslog, kern.log, messages, and the xorg log and couldn't find anything indicative of the crash
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810 [13:43:51] <darxmurf> which driver do you have for the nvidia card ?
811 [13:43:57] <AndreasLutro> nouveau
812 [13:44:33] <darxmurf> I have a Quadro K600 card with double screen, the nouveau driver is crap, I switched back to nvidia one
813 [13:44:38] <AndreasLutro> I could try the proprietary nvidia one and see if it makes a difference I guess
814 [13:44:51] <AndreasLutro> yeah I've had problems with it before as well. but on this machine it's fine
815 [13:45:04] <AndreasLutro> I think it's because the intel card does most of the processing, but offloads 3d stuff to the nvidia card
816 [13:45:10] <darxmurf> under nouveau, I have a kind of 1 sec lag on the mouse Oo
817 [13:45:22] <darxmurf> which is horible to work :D
818 [13:45:53] <AndreasLutro> I'd stop at 30ms lag... but yeah. it's not a problem on this machine
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839 [14:06:40] <kiki67100> Hello, it's possible to view windows 10 share from debian smbclient ? I can view windows 8 share smbclient -g -L 192.168.168.168 -N not work for windows 10
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845 [14:16:02] <darxmurf> it should
846 [14:16:21] <darxmurf> force smb protocol version to >= 2
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852 [14:17:19] <darxmurf> and be aware that there is a known bug with cifs which hides some windows folders... this bug is like more than 1 year old and still not patched :-/
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860 [14:36:36] <tsglove> Hello. I'm coming from Ubuntu-side, and want to start using Debian. Over on this page (link), I don't see a "server" download. Is there not such a thing in the Debian world? Would I install the PC version, and then customize it for Server or for Desktop? --> replaced-url
861 [14:38:09] <rustbuckett> yes. debian just installs a base system and you do the rest. it doesn't "help" as much as other distros.
862 [14:38:20] <AndreasLutro> tsglove: I use the same installer for servers and desktops. as long as you have internet on the machine you're installing you're fine either way
863 [14:38:26] <tsglove> rustbuckett, awesome. Even better. That way I start learning what I need and what I don't need!
864 [14:38:54] <tsglove> AndreasLutro, nice! I'm on the netinstaller page now... It's lightweight! (<300MB). Should I start with that one? replaced-url
865 [14:38:57] <AndreasLutro> tsglove: find the iso image with non-free firmware included
866 [14:39:02] <tsglove> Nothing production... just a small VM for testing.
867 [14:39:10] <kiki67100> darxmurf: force on windows smb2 ?
868 [14:39:49] <rustbuckett> tsglove: i use the netinstall. the full images is something like 6 dvds.
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870 [14:39:57] <tsglove> Ok got it
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872 [14:40:14] <tsglove> Interesting that the net image is not in the torrents.
873 [14:40:25] <rustbuckett> and if you're installing on a VM, there's no reason to get all that.
874 [14:40:34] <tsglove> yeah
875 [14:40:40] <AndreasLutro> finding the right ISO to download is honestly the worst thing about debian :p
876 [14:40:48] <AndreasLutro> replaced-url
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879 [14:42:20] <tsglove> AndreasLutro, yeah... it's not outright clear which one to pick. Yet, it's all "par the course"?? =)
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881 [14:43:00] <AndreasLutro> I know which one to pick and even I have a hard time
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884 [14:44:23] <jelly> the default netinst linked at the main page, replaced-url
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887 [14:47:48] <AndreasLutro> yeah you don't need non-free firmware for VMs
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891 [14:52:35] <darxmurf> kiki67100: force the protocol version in your linux command
892 [14:52:52] <darxmurf> I think SMB1 is now disabled by default on windows 10
893 [14:52:55] <kiki67100> is no working with smb1,2,3
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896 [14:54:46] <darxmurf> kiki67100: check your privates messages :-)
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953 [16:04:34] <darxmurf> good week-end folks
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978 [16:30:36] <ca1ek> how can I tell ufw to make a rule nonpersistent for now so I can restart the machine to get everything in order in case I lock myself out
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981 [16:33:05] <ca1ek> ok i did it anyways and for now I still have access
982 [16:33:59] <ca1ek> and now I don't
983 [16:34:25] <ca1ek> thank god I have physical access
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985 [16:36:12] <jhutchins_wk> ca1ek: I believe this page has a script that will activate an IPTABLES ruleset, then revert if it doesn't receive a response within a time limit (ie you can't log in and respond). replaced-url
986 [16:36:43] <jhutchins_wk> ca1ek: It's also a good tutorial on general hardening and IPTABLES without the extra layer of ufw.
987 [16:37:49] <ca1ek> now this is weird, I have ufw set up to allow connections to any port as long as they are from 192.168.0.0/16, yet it doesn't let me in
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993 [16:40:12] <ca1ek> deny ssh from * rule took precedence over allow ssh from local_subnet
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1008 [16:52:20] <Murda> Hi, is there polkit rule (.pkla) that only matches if unit name is something specific
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1010 [16:53:20] <Murda> Like: Action=org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units
1011 [16:53:20] <Murda> and unit is sshd.service
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1013 [16:53:43] <samnob> rant: (~12 hours ago) Yeah looks good. Supporting non x86 architectures FTW.
1014 [16:54:04] <greycat> Murda: Be warned: the service name is actually "ssh.service". "sshd.service" is an ALIAS.
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1016 [16:54:27] <greycat> Sometimes that is very, very important.
1017 [16:54:31] <Murda> greycat, it was just example
1018 [16:54:43] <greycat> So you're a liar. I see. *plonk*
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1020 [16:55:28] <Murda> greycat, it was to make understanding problem easier
1021 [16:55:41] * Tenkawa is just happy he has finally gotten his arm64 box to cooperate and is now up to date and running 4.17.10
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1027 [16:58:49] <jelly> !win Tenkawa
1028 [16:58:49] <dpkg> Congratulations, Tenkawa! You have won the US presidency!
1029 [16:59:05] <jelly> more likely to do a decent job there, too
1030 [16:59:06] <Tenkawa> jelly: haaahaaa
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1038 [17:01:56] <squarecircle> ohai
1039 [17:02:49] <squarecircle> If I want a current raw image of my virtualbox vmdk file, which should I clone to raw? the disk.vmdk file itself, or the snapshot?
1040 [17:03:20] <squarecircle> I have some interesting trouble with exporting stuff
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1048 [17:06:01] <jelly> if noone knows here, ask in #vbox squarecircle
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1050 [17:06:24] <squarecircle> jelly: nobody knows there ^^
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1055 [17:08:21] <squarecircle> but I'll wait
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1058 [17:09:14] <jelly> patience, it's 5PM or a Friday for the vbox people, hopefully they've gone off work and off irc
1059 [17:09:25] <jelly> on* a Friday
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1061 [17:09:30] <squarecircle> jelly: I'm still at work :(
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1065 [17:11:23] <squarecircle> jelly: just hope that someone is still active :)
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1069 [17:12:15] <Tenkawa> squarecircle: what are you trying to do again? i lost my scrollback
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1071 [17:12:44] <jelly> I honestly do not know whether vbox does COW or write logs on its snapshots
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1073 [17:13:16] <squarecircle> Tenkawa: I have some vmdk hdd images that I want to use with kvm, but to the respective vm some snapshot vmdk images belong
1074 [17:13:16] <Tenkawa> vbox snapshots are only partial pieces according to this person....
1075 [17:13:29] <Tenkawa> replaced-url
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1078 [17:13:49] <Tenkawa> look at mpacks post
1079 [17:14:00] <Tenkawa> about importing
1080 [17:14:01] <squarecircle> I'll do
1081 [17:14:29] <Tenkawa> starts with "You can't "import a snapshot" "
1082 [17:14:55] <squarecircle> Tenkawa: yeah, I want to export an image of the recent state
1083 [17:15:02] <squarecircle> Tenkawa: not only the snapshot
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1085 [17:15:39] <Tenkawa> you'll need the full vm + the snapshots up to coalesce point of shutdown
1086 [17:15:51] <Tenkawa> if I remember correctly
1087 [17:16:01] <Tenkawa> its been a long time since I tried
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1091 [17:18:14] <squarecircle> Tenkawa: I have everything here, also the old vm runs flawlessly
1092 [17:18:39] <Tenkawa> odd
1093 [17:19:14] <squarecircle> Tenkawa: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1174 [18:26:30] <Lope> I've got an LVM volume with ext4 inside and 11G free. I dismounted it and tried to run `lvreduce -r -L-8G /dev/myvg/mylv` but it said "resize2fs: New size smaller than minimum (13722654)"
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1183 [18:30:41] <Brigo> Lope, have you reduced the filesystem?
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1187 [18:33:50] <jelly> Lope, how large is the block device and fs right now?
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1189 [18:34:52] <jelly> Brigo, I _think_ lvresize -r is smart enough to do other layers in the right order, but I've never tried it with shrinking
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1191 [18:35:50] <Brigo> jelly, so the -r is for resizing the filesystem. I forgot.
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1195 [18:37:33] <jelly> shrinking ext4 requires, or used to require, an extra fsck -f step in advance
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1204 [18:41:11] <Lope> jelly, Brigo it seems that even though my FS is 60G with 11G free, the mimimum possible size was 52.3G so my request to reduce by 8G was too much of a reduction.
1205 [18:42:08] <Brigo> what kind of minimun is that?
1206 [18:42:44] <jhutchins_wk> It would be nice if the error message actually told you what the minimum was.
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1214 [18:46:42] <jelly> it did say minimum (13722654), that's in blocks, and blocks are usually 4KiB, amounting to 52.3 GiB that Lope just mentioned
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1216 [18:48:14] <Brigo> i dind't realice the "resize2fs" bit
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1220 [18:51:03] <Lope> yep
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1227 [18:56:28] <jhutchins_wk> Ah. Split line on my display, didn't see the number.
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1237 [19:00:59] <David_Hedlund> Is there any reason why qtox hasn't been packaged yet?
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1240 [19:02:55] <wpostma> I have Debian Stretch with ethernet connection to my lan, with intel 82579lm ethernet interface, and I have a problem where my internet upload speeds are glacially slow, but no other device on the LAN has this problem. Googling it seems there are bugs in some ethernet drivers in some debian kernels. Anyone know how to work around?
1241 [19:03:53] <jhutchins_wk> wpostma: Try a different kernel?
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1247 [19:10:54] <David_Hedlund> Where can I find the number of packages (in a web page) for stable main and unstable main?
1248 [19:11:24] <man_yo> befor try a ping debian.org
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1250 [19:11:59] <Brigo> David_Hedlund, the usual why a program is not packaged is because nobody cares enought.
1251 [19:12:17] <David_Hedlund> Brigo: Yes.
1252 [19:12:22] <greycat> Distant second is licensing.
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1254 [19:13:47] <man_yo> since when is your internet connection slow?
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1259 [19:17:45] <wpostma> man_yo: internet connection is slow since this PC running debian was used in my new house with a new DSL modem from the new ISP. However it is only affecting the debian box.
1260 [19:17:55] <NetTerminalGene> i get green screen on h265 videos if i enable gpu acceleration. it works fine with h265
1261 [19:18:08] <NetTerminalGene> can i fix that
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1263 [19:18:32] <brieweb> How do I add pti=off to my grub autogenerated kernels?
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1265 [19:19:22] <brieweb> I installed using Xen-tools and /etc/default/grub doesn't exist, but /etc/grub.d directory does exist
1266 [19:19:36] <brieweb> but, when I look at those files, I am not sure what to edit.
1267 [19:19:43] <greycat> brieweb: add it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX variable in /etc/default/grub
1268 [19:20:06] <brieweb> ok, I will try that
1269 [19:20:07] <greycat> (and then re-run update-grub)
1270 [19:20:34] <brieweb> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pti=off"
1271 [19:20:36] <brieweb> like that?
1272 [19:20:48] <greycat> if it's currently empty, yes
1273 [19:21:06] <brieweb> yeah, the /etc/default/grub isn't there
1274 [19:21:15] <brieweb> at the moment
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1276 [19:21:39] <greycat> whaaat
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1280 [19:22:07] <greycat> If you're not on Debian, stop listening to #debian answers NOW.
1281 [19:22:59] <man_yo> wpostma you are using an adsl modem not an internet box ?
1282 [19:23:37] <wpostma> well, to be precise, it's an ADSL modem with an integrated wifi router and an integrated ethernet 4 port hub.
1283 [19:24:13] <wpostma> and I have ten devices that all work, and the debian device won't pass an upload speedtest due to a socket error. file uploads also fail from any browser that attempts an HTTP post upload of a file > 1024 bytes.
1284 [19:24:57] <wpostma> it looks like something in the networking stack is crippled, almost like a firewall blocking all TCP sends > x bytes.
1285 [19:25:08] <greycat> MTU issue?
1286 [19:25:10] <brieweb> greycat: are you asking me why it's not there at the moment?
1287 [19:25:17] <brieweb> or is that another thread?
1288 [19:25:36] <greycat> brieweb: I'm suggesting that if the REASON it's not there is because you are not actually running Debian, then my answers will not be helpful and may even be harmful.
1289 [19:25:58] <brieweb> no, I installed Debian using xen-tools
1290 [19:26:10] <brieweb> which uses deb bootstrap or something like that
1291 [19:26:23] <wpostma> greycat: router MTU for the DSL connection is 1492. that works for all my other devices.
1292 [19:26:24] <brieweb> I am using Debian
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1294 [19:27:04] <man_yo> wpostman .. it's not your kernel ...what is the brand of your modem router?
1295 [19:27:59] <wpostma> man_yo: smart/rg SR515ac provided by the canadian ISP (distributel)
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1297 [19:30:04] <greycat> brieweb: looks like the /etc/default/grub file is created in the grub-pc.postinst script, or at least that's *one* of the places it can come from
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1300 [19:32:50] <man_yo> wpostma you'r in full duplex ?
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1302 [19:33:47] <wpostma> man_yo : dmesg indicates 1 gbps full duplex
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1304 [19:34:20] <wpostma> it is using e1000e kernel module, which is something that has bugs like this if you look in some answer sites.
1305 [19:35:44] <wpostma> this answer on an UBUNTU site points at e1000e drivers. replaced-url
1306 [19:35:57] <brieweb> greycat: is that the grub2 package that creates that?
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1308 [19:36:18] <greycat> It's literally the grub-pc package on my system. Yours may differ.
1309 [19:36:46] <man_yo> wpostma ..ok i'm reading your link
1310 [19:36:48] <brieweb> I will check aptitude
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1317 [19:43:10] <man_yo> wpostma.. try another kernel .
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1319 [19:43:35] <wpostma> man_yo: I'm gonna try kernel 4.16, currently on kernel 4.9
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1325 [19:46:11] <man_yo> wpostma : you can to test your upload on replaced-url
1326 [19:47:31] <NetTerminalGene> i can't gpu accelerate 10-bit hevc with mpv. can anyone confirm that?
1327 [19:47:41] <NetTerminalGene> 8.bit hevc is fine
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1334 [19:50:50] <man_yo> wpostma : kernel 4.17 is better 4.16 is end of life
1335 [19:51:01] <greycat> ,kernels
1336 [19:51:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1337 [19:51:04] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1339 [19:51:24] <greycat> well, stretch-backports is the place I'd start and that has 4.17 so perhaps that's accurate
1340 [19:51:39] <wpostma_> Nice. I installed kernel 4.17 and rebooted and am stuck in a boot loop on my linux box. Volume group "<mypcname>-vg" not found.
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1343 [19:53:03] <wpostma_> Time to learn about recovery for boxen with volume groups
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1345 [19:55:15] <wpostma_> oh wow. I accidentally installed an azure CLOUD kernel into my regular dev box. If there's a "cloud" in my kernel name in grub, that's probably what happened to me.
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1347 [19:55:42] <man_yo> wpostma ::: Oups
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1376 [20:21:11] <wpostma_> wow. now I'm stuck unable to install kernel headers for any kernel other than 4.9, because of apt-get package errors that report I have pinned packages, but I don't have any.
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1378 [20:21:33] <wpostma_> I'm contemplating pulling my boot disk out and rebuilding this machine.
1379 [20:22:05] <wpostma_> are the kernel header package dependencies a mess in the real live stretch repos?
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1382 [20:23:09] <wpostma_> somewhere messing me up?
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1386 [20:24:04] <limbo_> Whe I try to update my system with aptutude, I get the message "addgroup: The group `systemd-journal' already exists as a system group. Exiting." and if freezes forever. If I hit ctrl+c it keeps going, until I get another error about groups existing.
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1388 [20:26:13] <wpostma_> limbo_ : you are using debian stretch, or what version?
1389 [20:26:39] <limbo_> stretch.
1390 [20:26:46] <wpostma_> and what is the name of the package it's currently updating when it has the problem? Do it again from a terminal window using apt-get upgrade
1391 [20:27:00] <limbo_> Other than this, I keep it up to date.
1392 [20:27:10] <limbo_> "Setting up systemd (232-25+deb9u4)"
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1394 [20:28:41] <wpostma_> so that script is aborting the upgrade process because of an error that sounds to me should have been caught and silently continued from. hmm.
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1397 [20:30:43] <wpostma_> discussion on this debian bug may give you ideas, limbo_
1398 [20:30:45] <wpostma_> replaced-url
1399 [20:30:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1417 [20:52:52] <limbo_> dang.
1418 [20:53:07] <limbo_> Don't want to remove groups to fix this.
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1420 [20:53:55] <greycat> you could edit the postinst scripts
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1423 [20:54:24] <limbo_> For packages I download? There's a couple giving me this error.
1424 [20:57:18] <jhutchins_wk> limbo_: What release are you working with?
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1431 [21:07:13] <liter> Hi, can we install oracle11g on debian?
1432 [21:07:22] <liter> debian9
1433 [21:08:10] <Brigo> liter, what is that, the database?
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1435 [21:09:13] <liter> yes
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1454 [21:23:42] <wpostma> Ok I managed to hoop myself good. It seems that the only kernel in stretch main repos is 4.9, but I installed the kernel image for 4.16 and 4.17 which seems to have got sucked in from stretch-backports which I added to my sources.list manually at some point. That's NOT an official debian repo right?
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1457 [21:24:44] <greycat> it's sorta official...? ish?
1458 [21:24:48] <wpostma> It is served via ftp.debian.org, but the backport kernels are installable for me. But the kernel headers are NOT installable, it seems they want a different GCC than the base gcc.
1459 [21:24:53] <AndreasLutro> wpostma: official as in maintained by the debian maintaners, but without guarantees of stability (afaik)
1460 [21:25:08] <AndreasLutro> so, at your own risk kinda thing
1461 [21:26:24] <wpostma> Right. So the headers won't install because the dependencies for that headers package in backports are tied to a GCC version some versions newer than mine. 4.14 wanted versus 4.9 actual of linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
1462 [21:26:25] <AndreasLutro> wpostma: you can force upgrade linux-compiler-gcc from backports to make it work. if you really need to
1463 [21:26:39] <wpostma> I'm pretty hooped and ready to force upgrade.
1464 [21:26:52] <greycat> ,depends linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686
1465 [21:26:53] <judd> No package named 'linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686' was found in stretch/amd64.
1466 [21:26:56] <AndreasLutro> in that case, apt-get install with the -t argument
1467 [21:27:00] <greycat> ,depends linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 --release stretch-backports
1468 [21:27:01] <judd> No package named 'linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686' was found in stretch-backports/amd64.
1469 [21:27:39] <wpostma> I think the 4.17 headers have a bpo.2 suffix?
1470 [21:28:07] <AndreasLutro> I ca'nt find the headers for 4.17 at all
1471 [21:28:10] <AndreasLutro> might not have been uploaded
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1474 [21:29:39] <AndreasLutro> I have stretch-backports and searched
1475 [21:29:44] <AndreasLutro> it doesn't exist
1476 [21:29:53] <AndreasLutro> only 4.9 and 4.16
1477 [21:29:58] <greycat> that would also make it harder to find
1478 [21:32:09] <wpostma> Hmm. I see 4.16 and 4.17 when I do an apt-cache search. My sources must be wacky
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1480 [21:32:18] <AndreasLutro> image or headers?
1481 [21:32:47] <wpostma> both exist for me
1482 [21:32:58] <greycat> exact package name please
1483 [21:32:59] <AndreasLutro> ō_ō
1484 [21:34:06] <wpostma> I'm trying to figure out how to paste from one vterminal to another as I'm using debian in console mode, and can't get output from Ctrl-Alt-F1 session over to the other session. If there's a weechat way to pull in a text file, I could try that.
1485 [21:35:07] <AndreasLutro> it's just a package name, you can type it!
1486 [21:35:15] <wpostma> I will try. it's mega long.
1487 [21:35:24] <wpostma> Which one first? Headers or image?
1488 [21:35:42] <greycat> The headers that you claim exists that AndreasLutro claims does not exist.
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1490 [21:36:02] <AndreasLutro> linux-headers-4.17...whatever
1491 [21:36:17] <wpostma> linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 is one
1492 [21:36:33] <wpostma> but there's no -all suffixed one for 4.17
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1497 [21:37:18] <AndreasLutro> hm, it's there replaced-url
1498 [21:37:23] <wpostma> That seems to exist in stretch-backports on ftp.debian.org
1499 [21:37:25] <AndreasLutro> but.. not propagated to mirrors?
1500 [21:38:06] <wpostma> Anyways, 4.17 or 4.16, I get blocked by the need for that -t param I guess.
1501 [21:38:24] <AndreasLutro> right, just ftp.nl being slow
1502 [21:38:26] <greycat> ,v linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
1503 [21:38:28] <judd> Package: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 4.9.88-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.107-1; stretch-backports: 4.16.12-1~bpo9+1
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1505 [21:38:37] <AndreasLutro> yeah `apt-get install -t stretch-backports` should do it
1506 [21:38:42] <AndreasLutro> and the package name, of course
1507 [21:38:45] <greycat> ,v linux-kbuild-4.17
1508 [21:38:46] <judd> Package: linux-kbuild-4.17 on amd64 -- sid: 4.17.3-1
1509 [21:39:29] <wpostma> That's a new one on me. Cool
1510 [21:39:44] <greycat> I'm just pasting the dependencies from replaced-url
1511 [21:40:23] <greycat> but replaced-url
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1522 [21:46:10] <wpostma> I started mucking about because I was quite sure my intel e1000e driver in the debian 4.9 kernel was glitching. Now the error that I saw testing upload speed just reproduced on my windows box after 20 attempts to reproduce it.
1523 [21:46:18] <wpostma> So I'm back to thinking I have a weird ISP issue.
1524 [21:46:25] <wpostma> But I broke my debian dev box. :-) Yay me.
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1535 [21:52:38] <wpostma> Ok so kernel 4.16 is a bad idea with Nvidia proprietary drivers, it turns out.
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1595 [22:36:04] <brieweb> it turns out that debbootstrap or whatever xen-tools uses, installed grub-legacy
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1597 [22:36:21] <brieweb> I installed grub-pc and now I have the /etc/default/grub
1598 [22:36:55] <brieweb> I edited GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pti=off console=hvc0" and ran update-grub
1599 [22:37:05] <brieweb> system boots, but I can't see the messages at the console
1600 [22:37:18] <greycat> I have no idea how you do it with grub-legacy. It's been too many years.
1601 [22:37:46] <greycat> Did the /proc/cmdline at least come out right?
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1604 [22:40:15] <brieweb> I am not sure what /proc/cmdline is
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1606 [22:40:22] <greycat> cat it
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1608 [22:40:59] <brieweb> oh yes, it has console=hvc0
1609 [22:41:30] <brieweb> I wonder if there is something else I need to see the messages
1610 [22:41:48] <brieweb> root=UUID=7c995453-fdfe-41f3-9dbb-ae07b9d6732d ro pti=off console=hvc0 quiet root=/dev/xvda2 ro
1611 [22:41:55] <brieweb> that is what it says
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1613 [22:42:15] <greycat> OK, then at least you know your mods to /etc/default/grub took effect.
1614 [22:42:16] <brieweb> grub menu comes up, boot kernel, goes quite and then the console login finally shows
1615 [22:42:27] <brieweb> oh yes
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1618 [22:43:26] <jhutchins_wk> brieweb: See that "quiet"? Guess what that does!
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1620 [22:43:40] <brieweb> oh
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1623 [22:46:38] <brieweb> ok, messages comming through now!
1624 [22:46:40] <brieweb> thanks
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1626 [22:48:50] <ManElevation> i really need help with a problem so i can open my important servers
1627 [22:49:19] <ManElevation> i get this error: file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
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1629 [22:50:31] <ManElevation> i followed all the steps of how to fix it but i cant, i dont get any /grub or /grub2 so i can set prefix
1630 [22:50:39] <ManElevation> anyone, this is important
1631 [22:51:20] <ManElevation> i have debian 9 strech
1632 [22:51:26] <ManElevation> stretch*
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1646 [22:59:50] <man_yo> ManElevation ; have you got a SSD ?
1647 [23:00:02] <ManElevation> no
1648 [23:00:15] <ManElevation> there is no /boot/grub
1649 [23:00:22] <ManElevation> just /boot
1650 [23:00:45] <annadane> !reinstall grub
1651 [23:00:45] <dpkg> See replaced-url
1652 [23:00:54] <ManElevation> btw i have <grub rescue> not <grub>
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1654 [23:01:40] <hxmuller> to blacklist an application from installing, best method pinning -1 in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
1655 [23:01:41] <man_yo> ManElevation reinstall grub
1656 [23:02:04] <annadane> hxmuller you can just apt-mark hold foo
1657 [23:02:05] <ManElevation> yep i know, but i cant get in linix so how?
1658 [23:02:18] <ManElevation> linux*
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1661 [23:03:23] <hxmuller> annadane: ty
1662 [23:03:41] <annadane> ManElevation, i'm pretty sure the factoid implies that you can use something like a live cd
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1665 [23:04:38] <man_yo> ManElevation you can't get your gdm
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1667 [23:05:47] <annadane> !debian live
1668 [23:05:47] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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1674 [23:09:23] <ManElevation> sorry im back
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1676 [23:09:58] <ManElevation> so how do i install grubs if im not inside linux?
1677 [23:10:15] <annadane> use a live cd, mount the drive and so on
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1679 [23:10:29] <annadane> !tell ManElevation about reinstall grub
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1681 [23:10:34] <NCS_One> hi
1682 [23:10:34] <annadane> !tell ManElevation about debian live
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1684 [23:11:32] <man_yo> ManElevation an issue replaced-url
1685 [23:12:24] <NCS_One> if I plug a usb pen, go to File Manager, press the usb pen identifier under "DEVICES" it mounts the usb pen. Is this a script? Can I see the code?
1686 [23:13:20] <ManElevation> man_yo there is nothing inside /boot
1687 [23:13:23] <ManElevation> its emty
1688 [23:14:57] <annadane> so as i said, try using a live image of debian, mount the drive...
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1690 [23:16:59] <annadane> the dpkg bot should have sent you private messages about this, i invoked it
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1692 [23:17:17] <annadane> if not, /msg dpkg reinstall grub /msg dpkg debian live
1693 [23:17:31] <ManElevation> how can i do it without needing to use a drive to the bios
1694 [23:17:39] <bites> ManElevation: do you have physical access to the machine? what are you doing right now that you can look in /boot ?
1695 [23:18:22] <ManElevation> i can but my bios is blocked right now
1696 [23:18:31] <ManElevation> i need a password and i cant get it till my friend comes back
1697 [23:19:20] <bites> can you select a temporary boot device without having to use the password?
1698 [23:19:41] <bites> what kind of server is that?
1699 [23:20:12] <ManElevation> i dont think i can use the bios at all without the password
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1702 [23:21:52] <hxmuller> bios password is an important part of security
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1704 [23:24:56] <Janhouse> Hey, I wonder if kernel in Debian stretch is too old to properly work with Ryzen 5 2400G APU or are the open source drivers reaaally bad at playing videos in Kodi?
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1713 [23:29:58] <ManElevation> idk why i keep getting disconected
1714 [23:30:08] <ManElevation> so?
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1741 [23:49:28] <ManElevation> annadane
1742 [23:49:37] <ManElevation> alright i got the password
1743 [23:49:43] <ManElevation> idk why i keep timingout
1744 [23:49:53] <ManElevation> the bios password
1745 [23:50:02] <ManElevation> so how do i do that usb thing ur saying
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1751 [23:54:10] <ManElevation> i still have the usb with the debian i used to install it
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1757 [23:57:49] <ManElevation> alright i got in debian now what apt do i need for grub?
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