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• 7[00:07:16] <bmomjian> I blocked the sunrpc IP address with IP tables.
• 8[00:08:23] * abrotman looks for context
• 9[00:08:34] <abrotman> oh
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• 19[00:20:35] <mirage335> How does Debian instruct linux kernel to *wait* for *root* to be *before* loading *firmware*? Trying to compile a custom kernel, but it fails to load AMDGPU firmware.
• 20[00:20:52] <mirage335> I already know I can workaround this, but I want to know how to do it right.
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• 34[00:31:30] <rant> gpu firmware isn't really needed until the system is booted, but I suppose you could put it in initrd or something
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• 37[00:32:12] <mirage335> Of course, but the debian kernels work as is, and they *don't* have any problems.
• 38[00:32:15] <rant> my gpu firmware isn't even required for use of the displays, only for more advanced features
• 39[00:32:28] <mirage335> Debian stock kernels just work if the firmware is present under /lib/firmware .
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• 41[00:32:43] <rant> like without it I can only clone the display, if I want to xinerama / span desktop I need the irmware
• 42[00:32:48] <mirage335> My debian kernel packages freeze the display as soon as the modeset module is laoded.
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• 44[00:33:04] <mirage335> Yes, yes, I know. Though for AMD, the firmware is needed to load any modeset driver.
• 45[00:33:11] <mirage335> ie. anything but framebuffer
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• 51[00:33:25] <mirage335> I am trying to figure out what the Debian stock kernel does differently.
• 52[00:33:52] * rant shrugs
• 53[00:33:53] <mirage335> Does it instruct the kernel not to load the module until later? Does it patch the kernel to prevent it from loading the module unnecessarily?
• 54[00:34:17] <rant> maybe ask the debian kernel team
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• 56[00:34:28] <mirage335> Do they have an IRC channel?
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• 60[00:35:36] <rant> mirage335: replaced-url
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• 62[00:36:13] <mirage335> Thanks, I'll look into that.
• 63[00:36:32] <mirage335> In the meantime, I was hoping one of the 1528 people here would know. ;)
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• 65[00:37:10] <rant> well you can hold your breath on that, but you should probably tell me your address so I can tell the paramedics where to go :2~P
• 66[00:38:04] <ska> I spent half an hour trying to get /etc/network/interfaces changes to the primary network port to work. I just keept using the old address. Even after restarting networking, and 20 manual ifup/ifdowns
• 67[00:38:20] <ska> Why ccan't I get those changes to stick?
• 68[00:38:45] <ska> I don't use network-manager either.
• 69[00:39:23] <unmy> ska, and ethernet interface got multiple IP addresses?
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• 71[00:40:03] <ska> Nope.. its dirt simple.. Only lo and enp0s*
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• 73[00:42:54] <unmy> ska, what "ip a" showing
• 74[00:43:09] <unmy> and what address?
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• 77[00:47:38] <ska> 192.168.1.1 .
• 78[00:47:53] <ska> Rebooting allowd it to work, but I can't figure why.
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• 94[01:04:23] <Enyxx> Hello, after trying to upgrade a VPS kernel i realised it was actually an OpenVZ host ... and tried to clean up my mess. I'm now at a point where i reinstalled manually the image and header (using dpkg -i and the supplied .deb from openvz.org). However uname -r returns "2.6.32-042stab127.2" and the installed header are in /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 resulting in an error from depmod.
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• 96[01:04:58] <Enyxx> Furthermore when forcing the correct folder (depmod 2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64) i get the following error: "depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory"
• 97[01:05:25] <Enyxx> Anyone knows what i did wrong and how to fix it ?
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• 109[01:17:18] <bites> Enyxx: you installed a kernel image inside your container? containers share the kernel with the host.
• 110[01:17:42] <Enyxx> bites: i know that's why i said i tried to clean up my mess :D
• 111[01:17:50] <bites> and kernel modules are loaded on the host.
• 112[01:18:00] <bites> so remove the packages you installed?
• 113[01:18:36] <Enyxx> i did, and i tried to reinstall the correct headers etc.. That's when i got into my current situation
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• 116[01:19:30] <bites> what do you need the headers for?
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• 119[01:21:42] <Enyxx> well, for exemple, i currently can't do a mount on an iso ... and when i try to check for mount in modinfo i get "could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab127.2/modules.builtin.bin' modinfo: ERROR: Module mount not found."
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• 126[01:27:23] <bites> really, just use a hoster that does not use openvz 6...
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• 129[01:28:56] <Enyxx> bites: well yeah, but for now i have to fix my issue ... Did i install headers properly ? How can i change the headers / linux to follow the same name as my uname returns ?
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• 132[01:31:06] <bites> create a symlink if the path is wrong. but i don't think it will help you much.
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• 134[01:32:39] <Enyxx> bites: i tried, it still gives off the errors, for one there is no "modules.builtin" file, and there is a "modules.builtin.bin" but mount modinfo still tells me it could not open the file ... i'm really lost tbh
• 135[01:33:19] <bites> i know, i can recreate the issue on the few openvz containers we have left.
• 136[01:33:40] <bites> mind you, i don't do much with them anyway.
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• 138[01:34:52] <Enyxx> bites: any idea on what i could do ?
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• 141[01:40:01] <bites> it complains because a module it needs is not loaded. you don't need /lib/modules in an openvz container. it needs to be enabled by the host. contact your vps provider.
• 142[01:40:37] <bites> or did this work before you tried to install the kernel image?
• 143[01:40:51] <Enyxx> i mean, it was, everything was set up correctly before i tried upgrading
• 144[01:41:01] <Enyxx> at the end of my upgrade adventure everythign was empty
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• 146[01:42:16] <Enyxx> after clearing the packages etc... modules was empty and dpkg -l | grep linux-i returned nothing
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• 153[01:46:11] <bites> and dpkg -l | grep head also?
• 154[01:47:23] <Enyxx> bites: yep empty too, now they contain linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 for header and linux-image-2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 for image
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• 156[01:52:39] <bites> don't really know, sorry.
• 157[01:53:12] <Enyxx> bites: np, ty for trying, hope someone else will know. I'll repeat the problem just in case :D
• 158[01:53:22] <Enyxx> Hello, after trying to upgrade a VPS kernel i realised it was actually an OpenVZ host ... and tried to clean up my mess. I'm now at a point where i reinstalled manually the image and header (using dpkg -i and the supplied .deb from openvz.org). However uname -r returns "2.6.32-042stab127.2" and the installed header are in /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 resulting in an error from depmod.
• 159[01:53:33] <Enyxx> Furthermore when forcing the correct folder (depmod 2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64) i get the following error: "depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory" Anyone knows what i did wrong and how to fix it ?
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• 166[02:01:30] <csmall> How can I make the console font larger on a HiDPI screen?
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• 190[02:22:28] <rant> use a larger font, decrease the framebuffer resolution..
• 191[02:27:50] <tommaso> csmall: ctrl+ "+"
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• 196[02:37:31] <rant> tommaso: you shouldn't do drugs
• 197[02:37:52] <tommaso> rant: I mean control plus
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• 199[02:38:04] <rant> yeah which does nothing in a linux console
• 200[02:38:29] <rant> that works in say firefox or chrome or maybe even some x-terminal-emulator
• 201[02:38:57] <rant> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
• 202[02:39:04] <rant> will at least let you choose a larger font
• 203[02:39:19] <rant> and a kernel commandline param will change the framebuffer resolution
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• 210[02:49:35] <rant> really people need to be more specific though because the terms "console", "terminal", and "framebuffer" are rather ambiguous. However "console font" is typically referring to the linux virtual console, as in tty1 or such
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• 212[02:51:42] * aloo_shu has been seen w/ hw magnifying glass
• 213[02:52:13] <oojacoboo> So, I have a weird issue where I'm trying to set the UID:GID on a user through a build script, but I'm getting the error that the GID already exists when running groupmod. What's the best work around for this?
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• 215[02:52:28] <oojacoboo> I don't have a reliable way of checking before I run groupmod -g
• 216[02:52:54] <oojacoboo> I was thinking about removing the user/group then re-creating, but I'd prefer to not do this because I don't know what other implications this might have
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• 219[02:57:39] <thebigman> Hey
• 220[02:57:59] <RoyK> ho
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• 227[03:01:40] <thebigman> Hey RoyK, I'm thinking about using debian... I come from the BSDs and heard that debian was a good stable linux, but I am a bit concerned for the lack of compiled software. Is there anything I can do about that?
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• 231[03:04:11] <abrotman> lack of compiled software?
• 232[03:04:25] <abrotman> thebigman: are you trying to say there aren't enough packages in Debian?
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• 234[03:05:17] <thebigman> abrotman: Ohh, sorry. I meant to say that I cant compile my own software unless I download it online
• 235[03:05:40] <erikwb> you can build debian packages from source
• 236[03:05:41] <abrotman> Eh, are you unsatisfied with the precompiled packages?
• 237[03:05:51] <erikwb> see the "deb-src" package repos
• 238[03:05:52] <abrotman> you can build from the package source, or upstream ..
• 239[03:06:07] <erikwb> if you really really want to, you could even spin a debian distro for a weird architecture if you wanted :)
• 240[03:06:13] <thebigman> Thats exactly what I was intreasted in. Thanks
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• 242[03:06:27] <abrotman> dpkg: tell thebigman about package source
• 243[03:06:28] <erikwb> it's very transparent, there's no secret build system that you're not allowed to know
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• 245[03:06:38] <abrotman> dpkg: tell thebigman about source package
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• 247[03:07:41] <erikwb> thebigman: you might want to look at gentoo or arch if you want something like a ports tree, but tbh ports repos in general can be pretty low quality and not necessarily better than grabbing source from software authors directly
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• 249[03:08:26] <abrotman> thebigman: FWIW, Debian has a huge set of packages, and they generally work pretty well
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• 251[03:08:33] <abrotman> also, you there is a Debian BSD
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• 253[03:08:52] <thebigman> erikwb: I was looking into arch/atrix, but I dont want something like gentoo. Thanks for letting me know
• 254[03:08:56] <erikwb> yeah, one of debian's shining points is that the gigantic package repo all works well together.
• 255[03:09:21] <abrotman> dpkg: dstats stretch
• 256[03:09:31] <abrotman> dpkg: dstats stable
• 257[03:09:37] <abrotman> that's probably totally broken
• 258[03:09:45] <thebigman> abrotman: I know about debian/bsd, but I got sick of the poor driver support
• 259[03:09:46] <abrotman> and I don't know if Judd has that
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• 261[03:09:49] <erikwb> thebigman: it does sound like you want the Arch AUR to me though, look into it if you haven't
• 262[03:09:50] <abrotman> thebigman: ah okay
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• 264[03:10:22] <erikwb> but i found it to be pretty poor. Also replaced-url
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• 266[03:11:07] <erikwb> gonna find some dragons in any decentralized repository of software
• 267[03:12:22] <thebigman> erikwb: I dont really want something like the AUR, I want something like the ABS or bsd ports. I really like ports
• 268[03:12:55] <erikwb> i mean gentoo is patterned after ports :) I get what you mean though; I've always found that debian's source packages are great if I want to change something.
• 269[03:13:04] <abrotman> thebigman: honestly, one of the main features of Debian is the huge package repository .. I'd give it a whirl
• 270[03:13:43] <thebigman> abrotman: Ok, I am a bit of an init script sucker, so I probably will go with devaun tho
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• 272[03:14:41] <thebigman> Thanks for all the help erikwb and abrotman!
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• 274[03:22:09] <zentris> Still unable to register on wiki.debian.org, anyone heard anything about that? I already sent an email over a week ago.
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• 278[03:30:34] <hassoon> zentris: meh why registering
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• 294[03:44:03] <zentris> hassoon: I want to contribute to buster proposal theme...
• 295[03:44:53] <zentris> impossible to register on wiki.debian, you get an error, and contacting support email you get no response, asking on irc channel no one knows...
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• 299[03:47:11] <annadane> zentris, try #debian-replaced-url
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• 305[03:57:37] <annadane> anyone know if the installer has cfdisk for manual partioning?
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• 307[04:00:04] <hassoon> annadane: you mean teh cli way ?
• 308[04:00:09] <hassoon> *the *
• 309[04:00:27] <annadane> well cfdisk is a more graphical representation
• 310[04:00:37] <annadane> it's still CLI based
• 311[04:01:07] <annadane> just that i seem to remember it not being there last time, just fdisk
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• 313[04:01:18] <annadane> which is fine but cfdisk tends to be faster
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• 315[04:02:41] <annadane> well ok fine i'll just check in a vm
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• 320[04:06:38] <annadane> oh never mind
• 321[04:06:45] <annadane> apparently you can just GUI the whole thing
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• 323[04:06:50] <annadane> my memory apparently sucks
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• 325[04:07:00] <annadane> ok answered my own question
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• 327[04:08:06] <annadane> at least from the graphical installer, i haven't really much experience in installing purely from cli
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• 336[04:13:15] <aloo_shu> annadane: might still depend on additional packages you load in previous step in a text install
• 337[04:13:34] <annadane> maybe
• 338[04:13:43] <annadane> i just got the two mixed up in my messed up head of mine
• 339[04:13:59] <annadane> some day, i'll learn to read the goddamn documentation i'm always linking other people
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• 342[04:14:49] <aloo_shu> if you're lucky and the docs have kept up..
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• 346[04:17:34] <stephen_> hey folks, I'm just installing Debian on a machine, and it's sort of unfortunate from a security standpoint that I need to disable secure boot. I did a bit of reading and it looks like there is active work in the area, but I thought I would check here to see if anyone has been keeping up to date on the current state of things.
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• 350[04:21:41] <dvs> stephen_, There are signed kernels but I haven't messed with them.
• 351[04:23:27] <annadane> !secure boot
• 352[04:23:27] <dpkg> Secure boot is a hardware restriction feature of the UEFI specification. It prevents the loading of drivers/operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 and later support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit systems, secure boot is currently not supported. See replaced-url
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• 356[04:24:11] <annadane> ...provides some info. whether that's secure boot in general or when you can't turn it off, i'm uncertain
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• 359[04:29:41] <stephen_> annadane: thanks. It's good to see Debian on the forefront of things like this and reproducible builds as far as free software is concerned. Hopefully it will be ready soon: I'll keep an eye open.
• 360[04:31:09] <annadane> (some OEM's allow the free disabling of it, others don't, AFAIK)
• 361[04:31:19] <annadane> so... idk, is my short answer
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• 364[04:33:01] <stephen_> fortunately my computer has an option in the bootloader settings to disable it
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• 372[04:53:29] <stephen_> can anyone compare Debian unstable vs Archlinux stabilty? I spent a lot of time fixing my archlinux system, which I would like to move away from, but I would also appreciate having the latest versions of packages. For someone with a single machine, is unstable fine for most use?
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• 389[05:32:10] <silverballz> one of the big problems is the cost of the cert from a vendor (ie microsoft). It's quite a bit of money from what i read
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• 400[05:44:56] <silverballz> replaced-url
• 401[05:45:25] <silverballz> ^ Secure Boot for Debian Linux
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• 444[06:28:14] <kinglemming_test> o/
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• 477[06:59:27] <contrapunctus> Running Debian Stable - I'm trying to report an issue in a program using reportbug(1), and it tells me that a newer version is available in testing and unstable. Should I still report the issue?
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• 479[07:00:56] <jgkamat> contrapunctus: if you think the issue is fixed in newer versions no, but it depends on the issue I think
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• 482[07:02:50] <contrapunctus> Okay, I'll try to install a newer version and have a look. It may not strictly be a bug.
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• 560[08:08:35] <Agiofws> hello
• 561[08:09:11] <Agiofws> can someone help me with gnome-terminal not launching or even nautilus due to a locale setting ?
• 562[08:09:54] <Agiofws> Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
• 563[08:09:54] <Agiofws> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
• 564[08:09:54] <Agiofws> Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached
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• 594[08:32:18] <caraconan> Hi there. Could somebody please try to see if HTML5 player is working on firefox for this site: replaced-url
• 595[08:32:19] <caraconan> Yesterday it was working fine, today some HTML5 players apparently stop working.
• 596[08:32:19] <caraconan> Is working in other browsers (such as chromium) or operating systems (Android + firefox 61.0)
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• 610[08:56:16] <caraconan> I will really appreciate if somebody can test it. At the moment I'm only able to reproduce this issue in my desktop, Debian + Firefox. Thanks
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• 616[08:59:48] <ardevd> so upgrading from Jessie to Stretch (on a clean install) seems to be as simple as editing the sources, but it doesnt seem like it switches to systemd, and whenever I try to migrate to systemd bad things tend to happen. Is there a recommended way to go about upgrading to Stretch and adopting systemd?
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• 644[09:27:32] <rant> caraconan: firefox-esr in stretch?
• 645[09:28:13] <caraconan> rant: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid \n \l
• 646[09:29:41] <rant> caraconan: yeah well we don't support buster/sid here, so I can't help you all I can tell you is it works in stretch's esr
• 647[09:30:18] <rant> caraconan: for future ref, the channel you want is #debian-next on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net)
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• 649[09:30:33] <caraconan> rant: many thanks
• 650[09:30:39] <rant> no worries
• 651[09:31:21] <caraconan> rant: it tells me that #debian-next requires an invitation. Any chance to get it? Thanks again
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• 653[09:31:40] <rant> if you are savvy with grub and can maybe help me finish my other install I can perhaps have a buster/sid system in a chroot or something for future ref :P
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• 655[09:32:29] <rant> caraconan: its not on this network. Freenode is no longer the official home of Debian, we just have a large stable support group here in this channel. You need to connect to irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net which it redirects to
• 656[09:32:47] <caraconan> rant: thanks again
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• 658[09:33:59] <rant> its a shame ardevd had left, I had some questions.. heh. Jessie had systemd as well
• 659[09:34:29] <jarlopez> I've been running Debian for a while with the default GNOME DE but am looking to slim it down a bit, replacing it with either i3 or Awesome WM. What niceties should I expect to have to reinstall? Login management, wifi management, file manager?
• 660[09:35:17] <rant> jarlopez: reinstall? you planning on installing again from scratch? Thats not necessary.. you can run more than one thing and you can remove things
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• 663[09:36:47] <rant> if you installed gnome from the debian-installer that makes removing it all the more easy because it'd have used a task metapackage, removing that package will break the auto-install loop allowing you to simply auto-remove everyhing else
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• 667[09:37:14] <jarlopez> rant: Right, assuming I was installing from scratch. I'm going to clone the setup on another device as well
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• 671[09:39:27] <rant> jarlopez: well then yes, if installing from scratch you may want a line something like: apt install xorg lightdm pcmanfm awesomewm i3 network-manager-gnome or such
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• 674[09:39:58] <rant> erm the package for awesome wm is just "awesome"
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• 680[09:41:57] <rant> and you may want to be more specific on xorg and i3 if you really wanna go slim because both those metapackages install a lot of extras you may not need/want
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• 682[09:42:58] <rant> I personally would recommend either network-manager or wpasupplicant / just using the /etc/network/interfaces for wifi as the only other real option is wicd and its crap
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• 685[09:43:08] <jarlopez> rant: Thanks, I'll look into their specifics. This seems like it has an obvious answer, but is there a list of the default packages that GNOME comes with?
• 686[09:43:39] <rant> I have used all three a good bit in the last few years and in terms of connection issues network-manager > interfaces/wpasupplicant > wicd
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• 688[09:44:22] <rant> jarlopez: you'd have to follow the deps of the metapackages, but I could give you a rundown of the kinds of other things you may want
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• 690[09:44:50] <jarlopez> rant: Sure, I'd appreciate that
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• 696[09:48:33] <rant> jarlopez: you may want something like atril or similar for viewing pdfs, engrampa / file-roller for managing archives, gdebi for installing debs manually, synaptic for package manager gui, openoffice.org or gnumeric & abiword for office, gcalc for a calculator, you may want a panel like tint2 or such a text editor like gedit/pluma/geany/kate or such a media player like smplayer (with mpv or mplayer as a
• 697[09:48:39] <rant> backend, I prefer mplayer) chromium and/or firefox-esr for web browsing, transmission-gtk or such for torrents, mate-terminal lxterm or such for an x-terminal-emulator, gimp / eog / eom / geeqie or such for photo viewing and editing.. etc
• 698[09:49:10] <rant> then there are various games and config frontends.. you may want dconf-editor to manage dconf settings in gtk apps or such for example
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• 700[09:50:46] <Unit193> Perhaps libreoffice? Also mate-calc is a decent replacement for GNOME's.
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• 702[09:50:59] <rant> pcmanfm is a really good and really slim file manager though that is a lot like nautilus / caja in mate/gnome
• 703[09:51:09] <rant> and yeah I meant libreoffice.. heh.. shows how long I been here.. heh
• 704[09:51:28] <rant> I been using it since it was sun's star office
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• 706[09:52:25] <rant> but gnumeric and abiword are lightweight drop-ins for spreadsheets and documents if you dont want the bloat of libreoffice, and portabase is nice for a simple database app
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• 710[09:55:04] <rant> other lesser known GUI apps I highly recommend if you have need for such things are stuff like antimicro (for joystick mapping), jstest-gtk for testing/calibration of joysticks, upnp-router-control which allows you to forward ports on upnp routers simply without logging in, calibre is a wonderful friend to any ebook user.. etc
• 711[09:55:39] <jarlopez> 09:48 < rant> jarlopez: you may want something like atril or similar for viewing pdfs, engrampa / file-roller for managing archives, gdebi for installing debs manually, synaptic for package manager gui, openoffice.org or gnumeric & abiword for office, gcalc for a
• 712[09:55:44] <jarlopez> calculator, you may want a panel like tint2 or such a text editor like gedit/pluma/geany/kate or such a media player like smplayer (with mpv or mplayer as a
• 713[09:55:46] <jarlopez> 09:48 < rant> backend, I prefer mplayer) chromium and/or firefox-esr for web browsing, transmission-gtk or such for torrents, mate-terminal lxterm or such for an x-terminal-emulator, gimp / eog / eom / geeqie or such for photo viewing and editing.. etc
• 714[09:55:50] <jarlopez> 09:49 < rant> then there are various games and config frontends.. you may want dconf-editor to manage dconf settings in gtk apps or such for example
• 715[09:55:53] <jarlopez> Ah, apologies, rapid copy-paste!
• 716[09:56:16] <rant> heh, this is not your text-editor.. but 2~I2~ guess you realize that :P
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• 718[09:57:08] <jarlopez> Thanks for the pointers, rant. Any tips for consistently cloning setups across machines? I currently keep config files in a git repo, but find myself manually installing packages and programs each time
• 719[09:57:16] <rant> you may also want an irc client of course.. if you must have a GUI (ugh) I say hexchat is prob one of the better, but I highly recommend screen or tmux with irssi
• 720[09:57:47] <rant> jarlopez: well you may be interested in something as simple as dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections
• 721[09:57:52] <rant> !clone
• 722[09:57:53] <dpkg> clone is, like, to clone a partition or full disk, read replaced-url
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• 724[09:57:59] <rant> !clone install
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• 727[09:58:09] <rant> there is a factoid for that somewhere :P
• 728[09:58:31] <rant> speaking of partitions you may also want gparted if you partition things
• 729[09:58:52] <jarlopez> Usually I don't repartition post installation
• 730[09:58:55] <michael2> or cfdisk
• 731[09:59:19] <rant> I also use it for formatting removable media, which fwiw I always recommend reformatting any new media.. you can run into serious issues and data corruption/loss using preformatted media
• 732[09:59:43] <jarlopez> That's a good point
• 733[10:00:16] <rant> thats a general rule on anything.. always format new media on the device you plan to use it on, or the oldest device you plan to use it on.. newer filesystem features like those on preformatted win10 ntfs will cause bad things to happen
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• 735[10:00:41] <rant> may seem to work until the disk starts to fill up, then SHTF
• 736[10:00:45] <michael2> yeah, also when you are creating installer USB's you might need to create partitions before you lay in a boot loader and kernel/ramdisk + debian installer
• 737[10:01:26] <rant> well if you're using an ISO just writing it with cp or dd directly to the device (not a partition) is fine
• 738[10:01:59] <michael2> sure if you like throwing away the remaining disk space
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• 740[10:02:40] <rant> and thats not just an NTFS issue either, that applies to ext, luks, or anyhing.. features change from one OS to the next..
• 741[10:03:09] <rant> many people think oh, its pre-formatted, I'm good to go.. and then wind up in tears :P
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• 799[10:47:31] <dminuoso> I have a single physical network interface. Is there a way to virtualize this network interface?
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• 801[10:48:10] <blackflow> dminuoso: what exactly do you mean?
• 802[10:48:51] <dminuoso> I have a virtual machine running debian. The host is connected to a network device that provides PPP.
• 803[10:49:35] <dminuoso> In debian Id like to setup multiple interfaces, such that each interface initially gets a separate IP address from a DHCP server running in the same network
• 804[10:49:47] <dminuoso> Ideally using just a single network interface in vmware
• 805[10:50:25] <dminuoso> Something tells me it cant be done because vmware needs to be aware of the mac addresses in order to even accept the frames
• 806[10:50:28] <blackflow> dminuoso: I don't know vmware, but I'm pretty sure it can create any number of virtual NICs for the guests, if that's what you mean.
• 807[10:50:29] <Kelsar> dminuoso: that is kind of the wrong way to do it
• 808[10:51:03] <Kelsar> dminuoso: usually you just create a bridge and put the VM interfaces into that, a bridge is like a switch
• 809[10:52:18] <dminuoso> Kelsar: curious, when briged - how does this work at all? Does it mean the physical NIC is configured with multiple mac addresses?
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• 811[10:52:36] <Kelsar> no
• 812[10:53:08] <Kelsar> a bridge literally is a switch, the vm nics got macs on its own
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• 814[10:53:19] <Kelsar> usually randomized ones
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• 816[10:53:56] <Kelsar> there are more difficult setups possible, even your proposed one would be possible (just not very usefull)
• 817[10:53:59] <dminuoso> Kelsar: If an ethernet frame lands on the physical NIC - how does the OS know whether that frame goes towards vmware or not?
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• 819[10:54:29] <JustASlacker> dminuoso: thats arp, no?
• 820[10:54:44] <Kelsar> dminuoso: as any switch does, it asks its ARP table, in the case of vms it does not do a arp request, because it knows them allready
• 821[10:55:01] <dminuoso> Kelsar: the ethernet frame is not even in the switch yet.
• 822[10:55:09] <Kelsar> usually vm interfaces are represented as tap devices to the host
• 823[10:55:17] <dminuoso> its in a buffer in the kernel. but how does the kernel even *know* that it goes into vmware?
• 824[10:55:19] <Kelsar> dminuoso: the bridge is a switch
• 825[10:55:30] <Kelsar> dminuoso: arp
• 826[10:55:41] <dminuoso> arp doesnt route
• 827[10:55:54] <Kelsar> has nothing to do with "routing"
• 828[10:56:21] <JustASlacker> routing is layer3 term. on layer2 you would use "switching", iirc
• 829[10:56:44] <JustASlacker> or maybe forwarding
• 830[10:57:32] <Kelsar> dminuoso: it really works the same as an hardware switch, just the ports are the tap interfaces vmware creates
• 831[10:57:56] <dminuoso> Kelsar: I think I understand where my confusion comes from.
• 832[10:58:01] * Kelsar is out going to work
• 833[10:58:01] <dminuoso> So that actually happens in the kernel already
• 834[10:58:38] <dminuoso> Kelsar: But I think I have my answer. So if I want more network interfaces in my virtual machine, I need more tap interfaces.
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• 836[10:59:17] <Kelsar> vmware handles that, but you usually won't even need more then one interface, atleast not connected to the same network
• 837[10:59:28] <dminuoso> I do need more than once interface. ;)
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• 839[10:59:48] <dminuoso> A total of 12 interfaces is probably what I need
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• 842[11:00:10] <dminuoso> I mean I *could* get by with just 1 interface, but that would be hairy and destroy any concurrency
• 843[11:00:41] <Kelsar> you don't gain concurrency anyway
• 844[11:01:20] <dminuoso> Kelsar: Im using the interfaces to run automated tests against our PPP infrastructure. Right now with rp-pppoe it's tied into network interfaces.
• 845[11:01:33] <dminuoso> If I have 12 network interfaces I can run 12 PPP connections simultaneously
• 846[11:01:59] <Kelsar> or you use additional links on the same interface
• 847[11:02:06] <Kelsar> no additional vm interfaces needed
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• 849[11:02:15] <Kelsar> ip link add ...
• 850[11:02:42] <Kelsar> virtualazitaion inception kind of
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• 852[11:03:14] <Kelsar> those you can easily add by script, every test could create it's own interface
• 853[11:03:30] <dminuoso> Kelsar: uhh. what type of link would that be then?
• 854[11:03:33] <dminuoso> veth?
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• 856[11:05:19] <Kelsar> no, l thin macvtap would be the correct thing in that particular case
• 857[11:05:50] <Kelsar> but i am really out now... way to late allready
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• 902[11:46:38] <rant> anyone know if luksOpen is logged at all by default? I.e. attempts to open / passphrase failures.
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• 917[12:01:05] <ksk> rant: not on the luks encrypted device, thats for sure :P
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• 919[12:02:05] <ksk> Im not used to luks, but Id assume that if you had a running system at the time you tried the answer could be: maybe, and no in any other case.
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• 931[12:08:18] <lowin> Hi. Is there a kernel command line to specify so that debian installer looks for an iso file in hard drive instead of cd drive as source of installation media?
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• 955[12:28:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> How do I go about making a debianization that lives upstream? I would like to keep debian/ in the upstream sources for some app I've written, though dh_make insists on having a versioned directory.
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• 963[12:38:10] <dka> Hi !, I am on Linux Debian Stretch, I often do hangouts call with people I train programming, they want me to record a video so they can watch it again, Is there a good software we can use ?
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• 965[12:39:00] <CDuv> Hello, on Debian 9 package nslcd v0.9.7-2+deb9u1 fails to upgrade: it fails to configure actually, it ends with: « sed: -e expression #1, char 169: unterminated address regex »
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• 977[12:48:35] <Haohmaru> dka a video from camera, or screen capturing?
• 978[12:48:49] <dka> screen caputuring
• 979[12:48:50] <Haohmaru> probably in both cases, you could do it with ffmpeg
• 980[12:48:58] <dka> basically people call and share their screen, I also share my screen
• 981[12:49:00] <dka> on google hangout
• 982[12:49:06] <Haohmaru> i'd search synaptic for "screen video recording"
• 983[12:49:09] <dka> Then they want to be able to watch it again
• 984[12:49:15] <dka> replaced-url
• 985[12:49:22] <dka> We are gonna try with that
• 986[12:49:32] <Haohmaru> oh, then it becomes a bit complicated, google.. i don't know
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• 1003[13:01:09] <xet7> On Debian 9, when I login as normal user to LXDE desktop, it shows black screen. When I login as root to LXDE, it shows normally. How to fix?
• 1004[13:02:06] <Haohmaru> what have you done to it
• 1005[13:02:27] <Haohmaru> the screen is black.. do you see your mouse cursor?
• 1006[13:02:49] <Haohmaru> can you right-click somewhere? does a menu open up?
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• 1014[13:12:24] <xet7> Haohmaru: Right click does not bring any menu. I can only see text when booting in rescue mode.
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• 1016[13:13:04] <Haohmaru> i'd try creating a new user, and then try to login into LXDE with it
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• 1018[13:13:33] <Haohmaru> if that works - check and compare the relevant settings in your two users' home folders
• 1019[13:14:13] <Haohmaru> or if you're lazy and/or don't care - just erase the LXDE/openbox settings and copy/paste those from the new user
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• 1021[13:17:26] <CDuv> Where can I find detailed logs about dpkg-reconfigure error?
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• 1043[13:35:17] <xet7> Haohmaru: Thanks a lot, now it works! :)
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• 1045[13:35:57] <dminuoso> Kelsar: Thank you very much you have been helpful. It works great =)
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• 1079[14:01:06] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox
• 1080[14:01:07] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 61.0-1; experimental: 62.0~b3-1
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• 1131[14:51:28] <zentris> Submited a new theme for buster proposal, just concepts atm, thoughts?: replaced-url
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• 1133[14:53:25] <blackflow> zentris: finally got the wiki access solved? I like the last one.
• 1134[14:53:38] <zentris> yeah I finally did
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• 1136[14:54:23] <stefanos82> greetings everyone. has anyone noticed a peculiar behavior with the latest kernel 4.17.0-1 under Debian testing 64-bit? I use XFCE4 with lightdm and as soon as I insert my username and password, it hangs for nearly 5 minutes *until I move the mouse* in order to continue to load the Desktop Environment. Also, php7.2-fpm service times out and have to manually start it. Right now I'm using kernel 4.16.0-2-amd64 and works as expected.
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• 1140[14:56:18] <annadane> !debian-next
• 1141[14:56:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1142[14:56:21] <annadane> stefanos82, ^
• 1143[14:56:39] <stefanos82> ah OK
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• 1177[15:18:09] <drzacek> Hello there
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• 1180[15:19:55] <drzacek> I wanted to connect another monitor to my laptop, but it didn't worked. I can see the monitors in system settings, but when I activate 3 monitors, then (sometimes) I see desktop on all three, but it instantly switches on off so I end up with only 2 monitors active anyway
• 1181[15:20:19] <drzacek> I'm on debian stretch 64bit with plasma, dell precision laptop with intel and nvidia cards
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• 1201[15:40:35] <JeffJohnson> hello
• 1202[15:41:01] <JeffJohnson> why is the golang package installing the go binaries into /usr/lib/go-*/bin/ instead of into /usr/bin/?
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• 1208[15:44:25] <JeffJohnson> the filesystem hierarchy standard says lib is for libraries in bin and sbin
• 1209[15:45:14] <greycat> I don't know anything about golang. But /usr/bin is for programs that are intended to be directly invoked. If these things are meant to be used by golang programs instead of being directly invoked, then maybe /usr/lib/golang/whatever is more appropriate.
• 1210[15:46:04] <JeffJohnson> the go binary is intended to be run directly to compile, run, test go sources/packages
• 1211[15:46:26] <ayekat> JeffJohnson: is there no symlink in /usr/bin for said file?
• 1212[15:47:12] <JeffJohnson> nope
• 1213[15:48:10] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: because that is the only sensible way to install an app with go-1.8 and go-1.9 without conflicts
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• 1215[15:48:45] <apollo13> I'd assume, also you can set GOPATH or GOHOME (whatever it was called) to choose a different dir completly
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• 1220[15:54:02] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: how do you mean that? Are golang apps not shipped as binary normal?
• 1221[15:54:18] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: shipped by what?
• 1222[15:54:36] <JeffJohnson> apollo: installed by debian packages
• 1223[15:54:36] <apollo13> go get & go install compile the source to the best of my knowledge
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• 1226[15:54:47] <apollo13> well which package did you install?
• 1227[15:54:57] <apollo13> oh you mean golang literally?
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• 1229[15:55:03] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: what do you mean with "to install an app" if you dont mean installing a debian package?
• 1230[15:55:12] <JeffJohnson> im confused now :D
• 1231[15:56:05] <apollo13> ok, you are talking about the go binary itself, I assumed you ment programs installed by it
• 1232[15:56:08] <JeffJohnson> do you meant to install different binaries of an application via dpkg that were compiled with go 1.8 and go 1.9 at the same time?
• 1233[15:56:09] <apollo13> anyways; I have 156655 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Feb 28 22:51 /usr/bin/go -> ../lib/go-1.10/bin/go
• 1234[15:56:13] <JeffJohnson> ok
• 1235[15:56:29] <apollo13> and I am pretty sure I did not create that symlink myself
• 1236[15:56:59] <apollo13> gccgo-go will install that apparently
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• 1238[15:57:16] <apollo13> actually no, dpkg -S /usr/bin/go says golang-go
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• 1240[15:57:27] <apollo13> so if you install golang-go you should see a symlink
• 1241[15:57:37] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: i have golang-1.10-go from stretch backports installed and im missing the symlink
• 1242[15:57:48] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: the symlink is provided by golang-go
• 1243[15:57:52] <RedSoxFan07> Hi folks. My friend just got a System76 laptop with Nvidia graphics. Which guide should he follow? The one for Bumblebee (replaced-url
• 1244[15:58:07] <apollo13> which you probably have also to install from backports otherwise it will take the one from stable
• 1245[15:58:38] <JeffJohnson> thats what i did
• 1246[15:59:03] <apollo13> what does dpkg -L golang-go and apt-cache policy golang-go say?
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• 1248[16:00:44] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: replaced-url
• 1249[16:00:56] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: please read what I wrote
• 1250[16:00:57] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: it shows the symlink as content of the package with dpkg -L for you?
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• 1253[16:01:10] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: you did NOT execute the commands I asked you to
• 1254[16:02:47] <JeffJohnson> I dont have golang-go installed
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• 1258[16:04:16] <bmomjian> Reporting back on my load average question of yesterday, blocking sunrpc from outside my network via iptables has lowered the load average back to normal. So, I guess my nightly check of the load average did alert me that something unusual was happening.
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• 1260[16:04:28] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: replaced-url
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• 1265[16:08:57] <bmomjian> Thanks for the tip to look at the network traffic, since htop wasn't showing any active processes.
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• 1267[16:09:57] <bmomjian> Since adding the iptables rules the incoming requests have almost stopped too. :-)
• 1268[16:10:04] <bmomjian> I guess it figured out I blocked it.
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• 1272[16:12:40] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: as I said, you need to install golang-go as that one provides the symlink
• 1273[16:12:49] <apollo13> in addtion to the -XXX version package
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• 1285[16:20:53] <JeffJohnson> apollo13: thanks, I missed that, golang-go installs the symlink but to 1.7 and also installs the -doc package which I dont need in my case, ill simply create it on my own, fine for this case
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• 1288[16:21:53] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: you need to install golang-go from backports too
• 1289[16:22:02] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: then it will symlink to -10 and not -7
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• 1292[16:23:24] <apollo13> JeffJohnson: as you can see from your paste in replaced-url
• 1293[16:23:37] <apollo13> so it will install the stable variant unless you explicitly tell it to install backports
• 1294[16:23:50] <apollo13> which is what you want generally, otherwise backports would be all over the place
• 1295[16:24:36] <JeffJohnson> thanks!
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• 1312[16:35:05] <CarlFK> what do I add to sources.list to use replaced-url
• 1313[16:35:59] <annadane> you don't add anything to sources lists to use .deb's, and you probably shouldn't be using them either
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• 1315[16:36:39] <JeffJohnson> annadane: very good help
• 1316[16:36:53] <CarlFK> I would be surprised if that isn't in a repo
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• 1318[16:37:09] <annadane> i did a quick search for decklink and nothing turned up
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• 1320[16:37:32] <annadane> do you have the source code for it?
• 1321[16:37:36] <CarlFK> I mean that server, that is hostig that deb.. is a repo
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• 1323[16:38:24] <CarlFK> "Packages for Debian can be obtained from the VOC's Package Server." replaced-url
• 1324[16:38:44] <annadane> it is *a* repo but you shouldn't in general mix repositories nor should you trust .deb files off the internet
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• 1326[16:39:48] <Brigo> CarlFK, what annadane means is we don't know what that package is, does and works in debian, so we can't help you.
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• 1329[16:39:59] <Brigo> !frankendebian
• 1330[16:39:59] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 1332[16:40:53] <Brigo> so, installing this kind of package is risky and you should only do it if you trust the source.
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• 1335[16:41:05] <CarlFK> I do trust them
• 1336[16:41:09] <annadane> and if you *have* the source it can be compiled to its own directory
• 1337[16:41:27] <CarlFK> and they trust me, I think I have commit privs to one of their git repos.
• 1338[16:41:45] <annadane> anyway, you don't need to edit a sources.list to install .deb
• 1339[16:41:54] <annadane> you'd dpkg -i foo.deb
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• 1341[16:42:02] <CarlFK> it has dependencies
• 1342[16:42:10] <Brigo> CarlFK, just donwload the package and use gdebi (easier than dpkg for this)
• 1343[16:42:29] <Brigo> CarlFK, gdebi will take care of the dependencies is possible.
• 1344[16:42:31] <CarlFK> -bash: gdebi: command not found
• 1345[16:42:37] <annadane> install it then
• 1346[16:42:45] <Brigo> CarlFK, yes, you'll need to install it.
• 1347[16:42:46] <CarlFK> guess what my next question is...
• 1348[16:42:53] <Brigo> apt install gdebi, i guess.
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• 1350[16:43:06] <greycat> I heard a rumor once upon a time that "apt" (not apt-get) can mimic gdebi's "install a .deb file and its dependencies" feature.
• 1351[16:43:14] <MonkeyD> CarlFK: you should dpkg -i foo.deb and then apt-get install -f to install dependencies
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• 1353[16:43:23] <CarlFK> I thought it was in deb-helper or some nifty named package
• 1354[16:43:24] <soul-d> yeh it can installled deb 2 days ago
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• 1361[16:47:07] <CarlFK> I bet this is it: apt_repository: repo="deb replaced-url
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• 1364[16:48:58] <CarlFK> hmm, maybe it is broken. E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1367[16:49:59] <soul-d> sudo apt install ~/Data/Apps/PureRef-1.9.2_x64.deb
• 1368[16:50:04] <soul-d> was all i did
• 1369[16:51:26] <CarlFK> ahh... https...
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• 1392[17:08:19] <adac> Guys, where in here is the mac address defined? /lib/udev/rules.d
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• 1395[17:09:19] <petn-randall> adac: There isn't?
• 1396[17:09:27] <petn-randall> adac: What are you trying to achieve?
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• 1398[17:10:09] <mns> MAC address is picked up from the firmware, its not defined anywhere.
• 1399[17:10:16] <mns> at least as far as I know
• 1400[17:10:33] <adac> petn-randall, I have the issue with my server that the cpu had a damage. The provider got me a new server with old disk
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• 1402[17:10:48] <adac> and he says I need to take care of the mac because of this:
• 1403[17:10:51] <adac> replaced-url
• 1404[17:11:54] <petn-randall> adac: Right. The document mentions /etc/udev/rules.d/, though.
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• 1406[17:12:15] <adac> petn-randall, yes true. that one is empty
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• 1409[17:12:56] <petn-randall> adac: Then you should be fine.
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• 1411[17:14:22] <adac> petn-randall, I try to reboot then without changing anything, lets see if my server is again reachable
• 1412[17:14:23] <adac> thanks
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• 1416[17:17:17] <mns> adac: do you have interfaces with names like eth0 or with names like enp3s0 ?
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• 1420[17:18:50] <adac> mns, actually I'm not sure about this very host. On another host with the same installation there is enp0s31f6
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• 1422[17:19:56] <mns> adac: in that case my guesss would be that you're most likely safe, since its using the predictable interface names.
• 1423[17:20:38] <adac> mns, ok thanks for the information! Unfortunatly my server is not reachable yet
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• 1427[17:21:18] <mns> fingers crossed it works out fine for you :-)
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• 1429[17:21:26] <roue> hola
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• 1432[17:21:58] <roue> I'm running debian 9 and just noticed that the /usr/bin/last is empty. Is that normal?
• 1433[17:22:02] <adac> mns, thanks man! :)
• 1434[17:22:18] <greycat> you mean the OUTPUT of /usr/bin/last? not /usr/bin/last itself?
• 1435[17:22:19] <adac> I'm optimistic still but yes this was a tough day now
• 1436[17:22:24] <roue> the output.
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• 1439[17:22:35] <roue> This is on a laptop that hasn't been rebooted in 29 days. Maybe that's it.
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• 1441[17:22:51] <greycat> Well, last reads utmp/wtmp so if you never had anything write to utmp/wtmp then I guess it would make sense that the output is empty... but no, that's not typical.
• 1442[17:23:05] <roue> I have a FVWM session on it that I screen lock, so I guess I'm not sshing into it.
• 1443[17:23:18] <roue> But I am continuously logged in with multiple rxvt terms.
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• 1445[17:24:05] <mns> if I recall correctly you can have rxvt (and xterm) not write to utmp/wtmp so if you've got that enabled you wont see anything from last.
• 1446[17:24:20] <greycat> rxvt normally writes to utmp, so if you open a new rxvt window you should see it show up in last's output
• 1447[17:24:31] <greycat> unless you configured rxvt to suppress utmp writing
• 1448[17:24:41] <roue> I didn't do it deliberately.
• 1449[17:25:10] <roue> just running /usr/bin/rxvt with no command line options is not getting an entry in last.
• 1450[17:25:18] <roue> Maybe the default is not to write to utmp
• 1451[17:26:29] <mns> roue: maybe. haven't used a GUI in like several years. Just use a headless server for the most part
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• 1454[17:27:06] <greycat> roue: you can check the man page, but for rxvt-unicode the default is as I said
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• 1456[17:27:19] <greycat> roue: maybe someone took away the setgid bit on your rxvt?
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• 1458[17:27:38] <adac> mns, petn-randall this command (as suggested to be needed to be executed by the provider in the link I send you for predicateble interface names) in my rescue systems tells me that interface name is obviuosly "enp27s0" so different it seems
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• 1462[17:28:10] <roue> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Dec 8 2017 /usr/bin/rxvt -> /etc/alternatives/rxvt
• 1463[17:28:12] <adac> Now I probably need to change this in some files of my OS
• 1464[17:28:21] <greycat> roue: keep following the trail of symlinks
• 1465[17:28:22] <adac> not sure which network files those probably are
• 1466[17:28:40] <roue> -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 155320 Nov 18 2015 /usr/bin/rxvt-xterm
• 1467[17:28:45] <roue> okay, still has it.
• 1468[17:29:01] <greycat> I'm using urxvt instead of rxvt-xterm. Maybe yours has a different default.
• 1469[17:29:11] <adac> probably /etc/network/interfaces
• 1470[17:29:26] <roue> rxvt-xterm -h reports Options: utmp,XIM,scrollbars=rxvt,XGetDefaults
• 1471[17:29:33] <roue> so I'm guessing that's what's disabling it.
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• 1473[17:30:06] <petn-randall> adac: The easiest is to adopt /etc/network/interfaces, yes.
• 1474[17:30:18] <adac> petn-randall, trying that out
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• 1477[17:30:49] <roue> wierd, though, when I explicitly set urxvt +ut it still doesn't show up.
• 1478[17:31:22] <roue> last
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• 1480[17:31:29] <roue> sorry. wrong terminal ...
• 1481[17:31:35] <greycat> roue: what if you "ssh localhost"? does that show up?
• 1482[17:31:58] <roue> greycat, yes then it shows up.
• 1483[17:32:15] <greycat> OK, then last and utmp are working.
• 1484[17:33:00] <roue> okay, xterm makes an entry in last.
• 1485[17:33:08] <roue> so it's definitely something with my rxvt.
• 1486[17:33:29] <adac> petn-randall, a file (made a backup of the old) like /etc/network/interfaces_BACKUP doesn't harm, right?
• 1487[17:33:41] <adac> mean if that stays in that path
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• 1491[17:38:58] <adac> petn-randall, didn't harm all is up and running again now :) :) :)
• 1492[17:39:04] <adac> mns, ^^
• 1493[17:40:29] <mns> yeah the file will not get deleted, unless you're re-installing.
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• 1564[18:47:25] <KdeKris> anyone know how to allow a specific application access to a particular port in iptables?
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• 1567[18:48:18] <greycat> sounds like a #netfilter question -- that said, how would iptables *know* which set of rules to apply to this packet? you could go by UID maybe.
• 1568[18:48:53] <greycat> and I want my fucking /list command back
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• 1572[18:50:05] <KdeKris> It's one of my games. It can't initialize properly because it's being blocked on the port it's trying to use. I figured I'd just open the port, but thought that might be a little unsafe, then decided to just allow access for this specific game.
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• 1576[18:51:57] <deadrom> hi
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• 1584[18:54:11] <deadrom> usb3 2.5" 4tb seagate expansion drive. hooked on debian 8, smartmontools 6.4, smartctl -a gives me smart data. earlier I tried on another machine, ubuntu, way newer kernel, smartmontools 6.7, even compiled src, would always say "cannot handle this usb bridge". so I'm happy it works now, but why?
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• 1588[18:54:41] <deadrom> is the usb chipset the real problem, not the usb3-sata adapter in the ext drive?
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• 1603[19:05:31] <petn-randall> KdeKris: What exact error are you getting? Because there's no firewall by default on Debian.
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• 1607[19:08:30] <KdeKris> petn-randal replaced-url
• 1608[19:08:46] <KdeKris> I'm no expert, so I could be completely wrong here
• 1609[19:09:09] <KdeKris> petn-randall Forgot the second "l"
• 1610[19:09:32] <greycat> No, foo.c:3141: means "file foo.c line 3141"
• 1611[19:10:25] <KdeKris> mhmm. Well, I'm an idiot. I'll check that file and line to see what's there then.
• 1612[19:11:40] <petn-randall> And that's the reason why we sometimes ask for the "why". :)
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• 1614[19:12:28] <KdeKris> Right, it's good to have all the information before telling steps to solve a problem that might not actually be the problem...such as the fact that that directory doesn't even exist...
• 1615[19:12:48] <greycat> It existed on the computer of the guy who built it.
• 1616[19:13:25] <KdeKris> So why is it looking for it on my computer?
• 1617[19:13:26] <greycat> Possibly only temporarily.
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• 1619[19:13:42] <greycat> It's not looking for it on your computer. It's telling the programmer where the error happened so the programmer can fix it.
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• 1623[19:15:03] <KdeKris> So, for some reason, the vulkan libraries think they still exist on the developers computer, and don't realize that they are on an end users system? Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but that's what it looks like to me.
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• 1625[19:15:52] <greycat> Something was built with debugging symbols on, which includes filenames and line numbers. You're seeing that.
• 1626[19:16:19] <KdeKris> Ah, gotcha.
• 1627[19:16:38] <greycat> What you did NOT show us was the actual reason the initializtion failed. Maybe it wasn't shown to you either.
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• 1629[19:17:02] <KdeKris> Is there an error log of some sorts when running vulkaninfo from terminal, because I get this error from running that command as well.
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• 1631[19:17:37] <greycat> googling 'VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED firewall' gives interesting results, including a prior #debian transcript
• 1632[19:17:41] <KdeKris> That may show what you're looking for, since it hasn't been shown to me in terminal.
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• 1635[19:19:46] <KdeKris> The only part of that entire transcript that includes that, is the guy asking for help. It seems he never gets the help he is requesting.
• 1636[19:21:11] <greycat> probably because nobody here knows anything about this game
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• 1639[19:22:59] <KdeKris> It appears to be happening in multiple games. I'm trying Rise of the Tomb Raider, and one after googling VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED firewall seems to be trying Wolfenstein. Those posts are also over a year old.
• 1640[19:23:37] <KdeKris> I'm assuming it's a vulkan issue at this point, so I'm gonna stop bothering you guys with it and jump over to #vulkan
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• 1642[19:23:47] <KdeKris> ##vulkan, oops
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• 1644[19:24:52] <greycat> sounds good
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• 1713[20:21:52] <[E]sc> so i was using terminal and mistyped a command: zip * /directory/zipfile.zip now my terminal is unresponsive even after killing the ps, any idea how to fix this?
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• 1725[20:34:54] <hxmuller> [E]sc: have you tried killing the terminal itself and restarting it?
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• 1729[20:38:38] <[E]sc> hxmuller, yes i killed it but now trying to open the terminal stalls it, it will bring up the window but won't start.
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• 1734[20:42:08] <hxmuller> [E]sc: this is an x terminal?
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• 1737[20:43:25] <[E]sc> hxmuller, yes. now trying to open it just hangs.
• 1738[20:43:27] <simbalion> I think this webserver 'openlitespeed' is chrooted to /usr/local/lsws, but I want web files to be in /var/replaced-url
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• 1745[20:46:15] <hxmuller> [E]sc: Ctrl-Alt-F1 will get you to a console, you can get back to X by using Ctrl-Alt-F6 or -F7. Go to a console and run ps aux, check for the zip process and the terminal process
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• 1749[20:47:24] <hxmuller> if you see either or both of them, run kill -9 <process id> for each of them
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• 1752[20:48:22] <[E]sc> hxmuller, thanks. finally killed it, but can't access the terminal ... thinking i might need to force reboot...stupid mistake on my part.
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• 1754[20:48:51] <hxmuller> reboot is usually the easy way
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• 1756[20:49:18] <hxmuller> log off and log back in might work as well
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• 1763[20:52:35] <[E]sc> hxmuller, thanks. i'll give that a try.
• 1764[20:52:49] <[E]sc> hopefully i didn't do any damage using the "zip *"
• 1765[20:53:07] <hxmuller> there might be a big zip file lying around, search for it
• 1766[20:53:19] <karra> Trying to run my CPU at full speed at all times. Tried to set governor to Performance mode and turned off all energi saving features in BIOS. The only way to trigger full cpu speed is to load 1 core with full load with stress. Is it possible to achieve this without load on on core? CPU is E3-1271v3 (4 core, 3.6GHz)
• 1767[20:53:41] <karra> Latest debian
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• 1770[20:55:56] <greycat> A space heater would have been cheaper.
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• 1774[20:59:40] <[E]sc> hxmuller, hopefully not, but i'll have a look around. thanks again for your help
• 1775[20:59:57] <hxmuller> yw
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• 1779[21:01:50] * greycat stares at the question a few more times, and wonders if maybe it was ACTUALLY trying to say "My computer keeps going into power-save mode (reduced CPU speed) and I want to prevent that from ever happening"
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• 1781[21:02:32] <greycat> as opposed to the direct reading of "I want my CPU to run at 100% load all the time for reasons I shall not reveal, but let's just say I get kickbacks from a certain industry"
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• 1785[21:05:07] <hxmuller> lol
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• 1788[21:06:23] <rant> where can I best educate myself on grub? I need a grub for dummies in the worst way. I been putting together anoher Stretch system on a usb hdd and I need to currently install grub to that hdd's MBR without including the running install on the SSD and the HDD has a /boot and luks root and I have nfc how to proceed.
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• 1790[21:07:00] <hxmuller> karra: read Roger Lawhorn's answer halfway down this page: replaced-url
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• 1792[21:07:31] <hxmuller> karra: I've assumed you are familiar with: replaced-url
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• 1794[21:08:59] <rant> I have everything else aside from luks keys setup on that drive and been racking my brain trying to figure out how to make it bootable
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• 1796[21:11:32] <hxmuller> rant: are you not getting the option to install grub to the USB HDD? or are you just not telling BIOS to boot from it during boot?
• 1797[21:12:42] <rant> hxmuller: I have Stretch on the internal SSD and I did a debootstrap/chroot install to the USB HDD, there is no "options" this is all manual :P
• 1798[21:13:22] <rant> hxmuller: I want grub ON that HDD with ONLY that install, not he SSD install.. and idk about the intricacies of the /boot and luks root either..
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• 1800[21:13:54] <rant> I want it so the BIOS boots the HDD when its plugged in via its own grub and the SSD when its not plugged in
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• 1802[21:14:26] <rant> and setup so any changes to grub during upgrades or such on that HDD don't pull in the SSD's install
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• 1807[21:15:29] <rant> the ssd in here is only 8GB and I just want a clean basic install on there for rescue/backup purposes and the main OS for daily use on an external
• 1808[21:16:22] <hxmuller> rant: i see. was there a reason you elected to install using debootstrap vs netinst iso to the USB HDD?
• 1809[21:16:28] <rant> trying to use this 8GB ssd as my daily system is just a royal PITA I keep having to uninstall stuff everytime I need to compile or tes something
• 1810[21:17:16] <rant> I did it via chroot because the whole LUKS crap in the installer confuses the hell out of me and I couldn't even get it to work, never mind the fact I don't like the way it configures it
• 1811[21:17:45] <rant> and I sure as hell dont know how I'd tell the installer to ignore an onboard SSD
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• 1813[21:18:16] <rant> this is a more advanced usage.. required a more advanced install method.. I just don't know grub well enough to finish it
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• 1815[21:19:39] <hxmuller> rant: I haven't used this in years, but here you go: replaced-url
• 1816[21:21:43] <hxmuller> I have a question myself, I've been reinstalling and testing on a new box. Now when it gets to the grub installation, I don't get to select the device and grub installation fails with "unable to install GRUB in dummy?" any clues to potential causes?
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• 1822[21:25:14] <karra> hxmuller Thanks, but the utility erroed with the following: replaced-url
• 1823[21:25:18] <rant> hmm I perhaps should've thought of looking into LFS for this
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• 1829[21:30:33] <hxmuller> karra: i noticed GOVERNOR="userspace" is set when you wanted "performance", the only other thing to check I think is that the right module is loaded
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• 1832[21:32:17] <karra> hxmuller Yeah, i changed that according to the error from the utility.
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• 1835[21:35:22] <karra> hxmuller Added "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="intel_pstate=disable" to /etc/default/grub and then rebooted. Prevent it from erroring, but cpu speed still bounces
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• 1837[21:36:46] <hxmuller> karra: try cpufreq-set -u,
• 1838[21:37:03] <hxmuller> that is supposed to set it to the max freq
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• 1841[21:38:05] <karra> hxmuller same :/
• 1842[21:38:20] <dijong> hi, i'm on sid and since recently i can't load the ext4 module. dmesg says "ext4: Unknown symbol d_instantiate_new (err 0)" and "ext4: Unknown symbol refcount_dec_and_test (err 0)" every time I try "modprobe ext4", and i can't mount any of my ext4 drives. how can i debug / fix this?
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• 1844[21:39:22] <dijong> i don't remember doing anything that would break it, and i'm not using a custom kernel. could it possibly be due to a system upgrade?
• 1845[21:39:29] <hxmuller> karra: what does cpufreq-info return?
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• 1847[21:40:41] <karra> hxmuller replaced-url
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• 1849[21:43:01] <baconicsynergy> So, I managed to get my paws on HP-UX 11i... then I realized that it's impossible to virtualize PA-RISC or IA-64 instruction set architectures
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• 1852[21:43:30] <baconicsynergy> I cried a little, but Debian wiped the tears off of my face
• 1853[21:43:34] <baconicsynergy> Debian for life
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• 1857[21:44:32] <baconicsynergy> Maybe I can manage to get some Itanium servers from GM or something.......
• 1858[21:44:33] <hxmuller> karra: it reports a hardware limit of 3.6 GHz, and 5 of your six cores are currently set to it
• 1859[21:46:22] <karra> hxmuller Correct, but watch -n 0.5 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz' shows something else
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• 1863[21:48:01] <Heston> hey guys, just wondering how feasible it is to do IOS app dev on debian. I mean is the only real option to load up a VM with OSX?
• 1864[21:48:19] <baconicsynergy> loading up a vm with MacOS is definitely feasible
• 1865[21:48:38] <baconicsynergy> you're coding in java/swift, correct?
• 1866[21:49:04] <Heston> possibly objectiveC, i'm new to ios app dev to be honest
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• 1868[21:50:20] <KdeKris> I currently do not have /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Would manually creating it with something like "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" be a safe bet? I have a short list of configs I'd like to change, and I know I'd have to restart the x-session for them to take effect. Just wanting to know if my train of thought is headed in the right direction
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• 1871[21:52:03] <baconicsynergy> Heston, the official swift website only lists downloads for Xcode and Ubuntu. Perhaps you could try the Ubuntu downloads on Debian, just to see if it works?
• 1872[21:52:47] <KdeKris> Or would I be better off doing Ctrl+Alt+f1 then use nano to make and save the config file?
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• 1874[21:53:29] <baconicsynergy> Heston, you should have no problems with Objective-C on Debian, but check this out too: replaced-url
• 1875[21:54:02] <Heston> baconicsynergy, oh you mean xcode is available on ubuntu and you can validate it for the app store?
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• 1877[21:54:29] <baconicsynergy> Heston, no, xcode is only available on MacOS
• 1878[21:54:44] <KdeKris> also, will xorg build whatever config options I don't include by probing the hardware once it loads the config file?
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• 1880[21:55:22] <Heston> baconicsynergy,hmm then perhaps i better stick with a vm
• 1881[21:55:24] <baconicsynergy> Heston, you can however write Objective-C, java, and swift code on Debian
• 1882[21:55:33] <Heston> right
• 1883[21:55:35] <baconicsynergy> Heston, yes, a vm would be ideal for this scenario :)
• 1884[21:55:55] <Heston> ok then, thank you
• 1885[21:57:31] <baconicsynergy> hmm i wonder how the darwine project is coming along?
• 1886[21:57:46] <baconicsynergy> I think it's called darling now
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• 1891[21:58:48] <baconicsynergy> replaced-url
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• 1909[22:08:24] <Thedarkb-T60> Why does the standard GUI mouse and keyboard config tool only give you such a small amount of control over the sensitivity.
• 1910[22:08:39] <Thedarkb-T60> I have to mess with init scripts to change it manually in sysfs.
• 1911[22:08:43] <Thedarkb-T60> and I'm sick of that.
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• 1979[23:03:47] <Thedarkb-T60> Is there a way to upgrade the distro to a 64 bit version in situ?
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• 1981[23:03:52] <Thedarkb-T60> I have a 64 bit CPU coming in the post.
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• 1983[23:04:21] <greycat> The only supported way is to reinstall. "Crossgrading" has been done, partly, maybe, by a few people on the planet, but mostly with regret.
• 1984[23:05:31] <greycat> !crossgrade
• 1985[23:05:31] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try replaced-url
• 1986[23:08:03] <Thedarkb-T60> I've got nothing really to backup
• 1987[23:08:42] <Thedarkb-T60> I'm on 1mbps DSL so the netinsts take time.
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• 1989[23:09:18] <greycat> A crossgrade would take even longer.
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