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• 4[00:00:27] <Rajjix> what OS are you using ?
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• 7[00:00:49] <hankpete> Rajjix, Debian Stretch of course :)
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• 9[00:02:23] <hankpete> I think i may have found a fix? i switched the big external monitor as the primary and now thingsr a bit better
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• 13[00:05:04] <hxmuller> nice
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• 36[00:14:46] <asdsadsad> when debian boots and I login to desktop, is there a way to find out all connections that were opened from boot to desktop? this is on a brand new debian install
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• 40[00:16:07] <drablyechos> by connections you mean what, network connections?
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• 45[00:17:04] <drablyechos> run wireshark or tcpdump on another machine and set up a filter to capture only the packets coming to/from your debian machine's NIC
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• 73[00:31:45] <hxmuller> asdsadsad: assuming you are interested in 'network' connections, netstat will show them
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• 78[00:33:28] <asdsadsad> oh ok thanks
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• 84[00:34:37] <hxmuller> and there are other ways: replaced-url
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• 119[00:51:26] <veg_> is there any pros/cons to using entire disks rather than partitions when creating a RAID5 array using mdadm?
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• 123[00:52:11] <veg_> I am building a NAS with 4x12tb WD Gold and I have a separate system disk, so I'd rather use entire disks without bothering with partitionning, but I'm wondering if there's any drawback?
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• 126[00:53:13] <whislock> I generally avoid using the entire disk because anything else that looks at the disk will think it's empty due to lack of a partition table.
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• 133[00:54:10] <veg> whislock: anything else, as in?
• 134[00:54:46] <whislock> As in -anything- else. Partitioning utilities, other systems, whatever.
• 135[00:55:16] <soul-d> mmm what am i looking for if i want to setup up my screens as 2 seperate monitors (either via multi user ) but can't find anything on it let aside how i would switch the input
• 136[00:55:31] <soul-d> problem is 1 screen is 4k 10 bit other 1080p 8bit
• 137[00:56:02] <soul-d> would at least like to tell the nvidia driver that although doubt nvidia is nice enough to use it much anyway
• 138[00:56:31] <soul-d> but still there is a scaling issue thats bit nasty to solvle
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• 143[00:57:38] <veg> whislock: thank you, I found an interesting explanation on replaced-url
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• 151[01:00:18] <mns> I did "apt-get dist-upgrade" yesterday, and now I can only SSH into the server if I use IP address. If I use a FQDN, I get ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host, with no information in syslog on the server side.
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• 155[01:02:08] <mns> Any ideas why this would be happening ?
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• 161[01:04:40] <zentris> Been working on some stuff for buster, thoughts on this wallpaper preview: replaced-url
• 162[01:05:03] <zentris> Also will someone fix the wiki registration already?
• 163[01:05:41] <zentris> also have this: replaced-url
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• 166[01:07:19] <phogg> zentris: I like the lower left one a lot
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• 170[01:08:20] <zentris> thanks
• 171[01:08:23] <phogg> mns: I would dial up logging on the ssh server side and see what it thinks is happening.
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• 185[01:13:09] <mns> phogg: I've got it set to debug
• 186[01:13:14] <mns> but I'll try again
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• 199[01:19:37] <mvaenskae> cheers, been using debian now for quite some time and quite happy to have just stuff running and it being supportive in my system setup, but i need to expand my horizon a bit when it comes to advanced apt-list setup
• 200[01:20:08] <mvaenskae> first of, is there a reason to have stable as distribution as opposed to stretch?
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• 208[01:22:29] <mvaenskae> secondly, how current are these steps still when one wants/needs to mix some packages (i.e. firefox or some other program) from unstable posted here: replaced-url
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• 210[01:24:32] <mnuhmnuh> mvaenskae: use stretch instead of stable, and you won't be surprised when buster goes stable. you choose when you go.
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• 212[01:25:20] <mvaenskae> apart from that there should be no difference?
• 213[01:25:47] <mnuhmnuh> as far as i'm aware.
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• 217[01:27:13] <mnuhmnuh> i like to hold off a couple or three mo. letting new stable settle in before i go.
• 218[01:27:44] <mnuhmnuh> i'm not into bleeding edge; no need for it.
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• 227[01:29:53] <mvaenskae> then it seems to be as i expected
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• 231[01:30:20] <mvaenskae> how smart is it to mix different distributions?
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• 235[01:32:01] <mnuhmnuh> stable on testing or sid, fine, but pin the heck out of it. sid or testing on stable, not good; library differences, yada yada, bad.
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• 237[01:32:38] <mnuhmnuh> !frankendebian
• 238[01:32:38] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 240[01:33:02] <mvaenskae> i for one would like to use current firefox versions (i believe 52-esr is having plugin incompatibilities for some things -- and i believe multi-threaded rendering is not included in it) but even buster is not really up to date with the versions, only unstable according to the wiki
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• 244[01:35:12] <mvaenskae> this so far was a test-bed as well, so i am not crying too much for redoing stuff (needed to have a tensorflow-machine that actually works but alas, nvidia took some extensive efforts to be made usable... *sigh*) and can then test out recovery setups based on borg and try out ansible notebooks :)
• 245[01:35:28] <mnuhmnuh> i'm using -esr 52.9.0, but i can't say i stress the web in any way. i use w3m anywhere i can.
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• 247[01:38:18] <mvaenskae> i am looking for study related reasons for something that can sync bookmarks and sessions between multiple devices but was not too keen on using chrome further and was thinking of giving firefox another fair try -- but for that i would like to test out up to date versions :) good to know that it's a bit more complex in that case though and going with sid is recommended if i want bleeding edge with the
• 248[01:38:24] <mvaenskae> benefit of the most availability of packages but highest chance of bugs or go with stretch for rock solid stability at the expense of customizability
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• 265[01:41:55] <mns> I don't know
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• 269[01:42:24] <mns> technically I rebooted the server and teh cable modem. so could have been either of them
• 270[01:42:46] <hxmuller> soul-d: search for multihead multimonitor multidisplay, etc. use linux as a keyword too. there's a ton of information out there.
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• 272[01:44:40] <soul-d> yeh think i have the x part setup not sure how input will be shared did read something on mouse switcher but first have to test how it currently works lots of info was years old
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• 274[01:44:54] <soul-d> but il keep keywords in mind i searched for multi user /screen
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• 323[02:11:25] <soul-d> :) yeh seems to work only only bit finicky with starting apps
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• 368[02:43:03] <johnnyfive> How do I create a sources.gz given a set of packages on disk?
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• 370[02:44:31] <lungaro_> i'm trying to use dpkg-deb to generate an archive, but how do I get the files to be owned in the directory as root?
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• 373[02:46:29] <mrsprow> Hi. I'm trying to figure out what's "Inactive(anon)" in /proc/meminfo. I've found contradictory information about it :-/
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• 413[03:12:10] <soul-bw> except now the xsetwacom command don't work and no named screens work either :( so that sux now wacom still thinks its one big desktop
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• 426[03:25:40] <soul-bw> lol thats cancer
• 427[03:25:56] <soul-bw> the maptooutput is switched from xrandr if you want to limit it
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• 588[04:44:02] <zokum> I am trying to enable ipv6 via 6rd on my box, and I keep getting this error message with various scripts: add tunnel "sit0" failed: No buffer space available
• 589[04:45:04] <zokum> the only time i can get ipv6 to work, is when i user a frankenscript i cobbled together myself, but systemd kills that every 30-60 minutes when it restarts services
• 590[04:45:54] <zokum> i am wondering if anyone know what the first error actually means
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• 600[04:51:55] <dolphinfin01> hey guys how do you remove a package but not its dependences with apt?
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• 604[04:52:58] <dolphinfin01> this seems like its removing packages that may be important to other things.
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• 606[04:54:53] <zokum> i think i got it to work by deleting another tunnel device, weird
• 607[04:56:14] <stochastix> If I want a basic server install and not a desktop, but not a net install, which download is best to get?
• 608[04:57:05] <stochastix> I got the kde live cd, and did the graphical install, but it never asked me what packages I wanted installed. It assumed I wanted KDE be default?
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• 610[04:58:25] <mnuhmnuh> dolphinfin01: that's not what's happening. it's removing the one pkg you requested, and suggesting you run apt autoremove to clean up (in theory) unused cruft.
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• 612[04:59:28] <dolphinfin01> mnuhmnuh, how do you know if those are needed by something else.
• 613[05:00:44] <mnuhmnuh> dolphinfin01: did you see that "suggesting"? you don't have to, and some say don't ever (in sid). it's optional.
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• 615[05:01:44] <dolphinfin01> mnuhmnuh, yes i saw where you clued me in that its a suggestion
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• 617[05:02:07] <Dagger> specifically, apt is telling you that there are no installed Debian packages that have a dependency on those packages
• 618[05:02:10] <mnuhmnuh> stochastix: you got the kde live? well, yeah it's going to suppose kde is default! sheesh.
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• 620[05:02:57] <stochastix> I would expect it would still give you the package selection option, but i never saw it.
• 621[05:03:21] <Dagger> but it can't tell you whether or not you use anything from those packages (e.g. from a script or custom program that the package manager isn't tracking), which is why they're not removed automatically
• 622[05:03:24] <stochastix> I didnt want the netinstall since im assuming I need to be online to use that one right?
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• 624[05:05:10] <mnuhmnuh> stochastix: i saw a screen listing desktop environments, printing, web server (?), maybe samba (?). it doesn't ask you to choose every pkg.
• 625[05:05:35] <stochastix> even on the kde live cd?
• 626[05:05:38] <mnuhmnuh> stochastix: correct.
• 627[05:05:42] <stochastix> ok, hmm
• 628[05:06:07] <stochastix> I left work when it started installing the system, maybe it asks during the install ?
• 629[05:06:20] <stochastix> or I missed something, then
• 630[05:06:39] <stochastix> Ill see how it went when I get there in the morning
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• 632[05:06:55] <dolphinfin01> Is there a way to disable bluetooth at boot. I would like it to be available to turn on only when needed.
• 633[05:07:02] <baconicsynergy> hello friends :)
• 634[05:07:51] <mnuhmnuh> popcon determines what pkgs go on the initial installer iso (CD/DVD 1, ...).
• 635[05:09:04] <baconicsynergy> Okay, so I have a huge amount of music, and I want to organize the metadata of the artists and albums in bulk. Is there a good debian package to accomplish this task?
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• 637[05:09:59] <fredl-pc> Hi guys, is there a way to find out which packages got installed as a result of installing one package?
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• 640[05:10:45] <baconicsynergy> fredl-pc, there is, hold on, i have it written down somewhere
• 641[05:11:01] <fredl-pc> isn't it something like apt-cache depends?
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• 647[05:13:17] <baconicsynergy> "apt-cache depends" shows a specified packages dependencies
• 648[05:13:22] <rant> baconicsynergy: there are command line tools, but most the music library software like amarok can also do it
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• 650[05:14:20] <fredl-pc> ah yes, cool baconicsynergy I see there's also 'rdepends' to do the reverse
• 651[05:14:24] <rant> fredl-pc: apt keeps logs, you can see what happened during that specific command in /var/log/apt/history.log or such, they're rotated and compressed
• 652[05:15:00] <baconicsynergy> fredl-pc, "dpkg -L" lists all of the installed files from a package... but thats not what you want... hmmmm
• 653[05:15:25] <fredl-pc> rant, while the logs are useful I think, it wouldn't list all the dependencies a package has right? Just which dependency was installed at the time but not dependencies which may have been installed earlier already
• 654[05:15:53] <fredl-pc> I'm trying to unravel the solr-tomcat package
• 655[05:15:54] <rant> fredl-pc: yes, which is why I mentioned it.. cause that may have been what you wanted
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• 658[05:18:25] <baconicsynergy> fredl-pc, I'm having trouble finding the exact answer to your question :( sorry
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• 662[05:19:26] <fredl-pc> No don't worry baconicsynergy I already sort of answered myself and you had same answer :)
• 663[05:20:06] <baconicsynergy> rant, thanks for the answer, I think I'll give amarok a shot
• 664[05:20:27] <baconicsynergy> okay time for a midnight drive and some tea :)
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• 671[05:27:27] <zunaa> hello does anybody know how to install pdftocontone on debian stretch?
• 672[05:27:36] <zunaa> I need it for my lexmark s415 printer
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• 733[06:26:30] <baconicsynergy> phew. organizing music is hard work
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• 736[06:29:15] <baconicsynergy> I have too much music listed under "Various Artists" and "Unknown Artist", I'm too scared to organize those LOL
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• 739[06:31:12] <thrasymachus> e
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• 743[06:32:48] <baconicsynergy> 2.71828182845904523536028747135266249775724709369995
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• 751[06:37:34] <fpat> 2 * Pi * r in square?
• 752[06:37:59] <fpat> about fourty thousand kilometres?
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• 754[06:40:51] <buu> How do I get libcurl3 and libcurl4 installed at the same time
• 755[06:41:39] <annadane> buu, stable or testing/unstable
• 756[06:41:58] <buu> unstable =[
• 757[06:42:06] <annadane> then #debian-next, where you posted, is correct
• 758[06:42:12] <buu> if only people were awake there
• 759[06:43:01] <fpat> i can come and bring music
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• 761[06:43:56] <annadane> if no one answers then use the mailing list. debian-user@lists.debian.org
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• 764[06:48:24] <buu> oh boy
• 765[06:48:25] <buu> replaced-url
• 766[06:48:29] <buu> This blew up the world
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• 768[06:49:08] <annadane> oh, right. i seem to recall some bug in debian like that also
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• 770[06:51:07] <buu> Well that's a mess I don't want to touch
• 771[06:51:31] <fpat> that seems what the responsible developers think
• 772[06:53:41] <fpat> sorry, thats #debian-offtopic
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• 777[06:57:35] <annadane> i'll grant you #debian-next can be fairly dead sometimes
• 778[06:57:46] <annadane> be nice if we had a somewhat larger unstable/testing community
• 779[06:58:51] <annadane> ...who also use irc, probably most of them are on the mailing list or something
• 780[06:59:51] <annadane> well, it's also early for at least two prominent time zones
• 781[06:59:57] <annadane> it's actually not that dead most of the time
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• 968[09:40:42] <pantato> ???? debian doesn't have gksu in its repo
• 969[09:40:44] <pantato> waaat
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• 997[09:48:40] <klys> pantato, replaced-url
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• 1008[09:49:56] <pantato> klys: why the heck doesn't it just show up on apt though?
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• 1011[09:50:17] <ayekat> pantato: running testing? replaced-url
• 1012[09:50:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1014[09:50:28] <pantato> klys: running sid
• 1015[09:51:04] <klys> pantato, /connect irc.oftc.net /join #debian-next
• 1016[09:51:04] <pantato> dude wtf...
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• 1018[09:51:16] <pantato> wow
• 1019[09:51:21] <pantato> i'm pissed
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• 1022[09:52:35] <pantato> "lets just break the ability for people to use programs that don't include our autistic policy demands"
• 1023[09:52:38] <pantato> jesus
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• 1026[09:54:43] <rant> yes, my son?
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• 1029[09:55:23] <rant> would've been better if I /nick jesus, but freenode won't allow it :P
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• 1079[10:19:55] <soul-d> :( sadlly using 2 xorg screens seems to make something like video playback slow as .... :( llots of random slow downs stutters for some reason
• 1080[10:20:27] <rant> what video player are you using?
• 1081[10:20:55] <soul-d> just any twitch , youtube normal player seems sorta fine
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• 1090[10:21:47] <soul-d> there is just extra sowness in scrollling and s stuff since i made it that 2 monitors have 2 x screens ( athough one din't require login )
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• 1096[10:27:27] <soul-d> for example just wanted to test random 4k 10bit youtube
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• 1099[10:27:34] <soul-d> it should normaly play fine
• 1100[10:27:41] <soul-d> not anymore :(
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• 1156[11:05:19] <soul-d> ah maybe its that i tried to tell xorg its 10bits maybe the non-free repo nvidia drivers aren't up to that since same 4k vid plays fine at same tome on other screen
• 1157[11:05:41] <soul-d> so far i read it was finicky at best anyway
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• 1241[11:37:54] <steinex> Hi, is there a way to remove a package from debconf control? We use nslcd but use our own configuration file, not using debconf. Now we have the problem that on every upgrade our configuration file gets overwritten with nonsense stuff from debconf.
• 1242[11:38:06] <steinex> We don't want debconf to touch it.
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• 1250[11:43:30] <themill> steinex: debconf should not be overwriting manual changes to begin with
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• 1253[11:44:20] <steinex> ok, then this is probably a bug in the nslcd package. i suspected this. this is hunting us since jessie or even earlier.
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• 1256[11:44:38] <themill> the maintainer scripts look like they read in the data as a starting point
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• 1262[11:46:39] <steinex> i think back in the days we we're not able to preseed nslcd-configuration correctly. IIRC when we preseed we get still presented with nslcd debconf configuration, hit enter a few times and after installation we copy over the actual config file. may this be the issue?
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• 1266[11:47:19] <soul-d> ofcourse i had to change 2 things but on 24bit the video on other screen is smooth again to
• 1267[11:47:41] <themill> debconf *should* be reading in the existing config first and so when/if it writes out the config it should be safe
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• 1269[11:48:14] <steinex> themill: ok. i will open a bug report then, it does not do this and overwrites our config, i can reproduce this
• 1270[11:48:41] <themill> is it bringing back zombie keys or is it overwriting values?
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• 1335[12:24:35] <steinex> themill: overwriting values
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• 1337[12:25:46] <steinex> we have "sasl_mech gssapi" there, in debconf-show nslcd "nslcd/ldap-sasl-mech:" is empty, but it's always overwriting this one
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• 1416[12:56:56] <asdsadsad> I would like to develop a simple input/output program and I would like it to work in all "standard linux installs" (no external packages needed). Would the best language for this be BASH or perl?
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• 1422[13:00:39] <oerheks> asdsadsad, not sure, but perl is optional in ubuntu, check your system?
• 1423[13:00:49] <blackflow> asdsadsad: what's a "standard linux install"? there's no such standard. There's LSB which is broken, and there's posix which is something else. there's no guarantee bash or perl will be installed.
• 1424[13:00:52] <oerheks> debian too, AFAIK
• 1425[13:01:07] <fpat> base install pulls perl in on debian
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• 1427[13:01:31] <epicmetal> Perl doesn't come with Fedora
• 1428[13:01:35] <epicmetal> (by default)
• 1429[13:01:43] <asdsadsad> standard install meaning.....it works in ALL linux installations by default
• 1430[13:01:49] <petn-randall> asdsadsad: bash isn't really a good language for programming. Also what do you mean with "no external packages needed"? If you mean package that are installed everywhere, you only option is C.
• 1431[13:01:50] <asdsadsad> there is nothing additional to pull in from the repo
• 1432[13:01:52] <oerheks> then bash it is.
• 1433[13:02:04] <petn-randall> bash is not an essential package in Debian.
• 1434[13:02:05] <blackflow> actually, /bin/sh and not bash
• 1435[13:02:16] <oerheks> ( else i would go for python )
• 1436[13:02:19] <blackflow> /bin/sh is the only posix defined standard one can expect in distros
• 1437[13:02:49] <blackflow> (when shells are concerned, I mean)
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• 1439[13:03:13] <Oats87|> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard replaced-url
• 1440[13:03:13] <Oats87|> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout replaced-url
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• 1447[13:05:25] <blackflow> nobody mentioned the obvious? C? :) compiled binary progs, against a reasonably modern glibc and (if needed) kernel api, should work just fine.
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• 1454[13:07:23] <petn-randall> blackflow: I said C was the only option.
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• 1458[13:09:07] <blackflow> petn-randall: oh yes, sorry, missed that.
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• 1461[13:11:17] <ayekat> but if you want to be sure if works across version, I'd go for statically compiled
• 1462[13:11:25] <ayekat> *versions
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• 1467[13:13:16] <Resilience> hello to everyone, this is a little offtopic, but, an somebody give a hint on what the ptx command is used for?
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• 1477[13:21:22] <Brigo> Resilience, ask google, which will point you out to stackexchage: replaced-url
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• 1505[13:39:03] <Foloex> hello world
• 1506[13:39:26] <Foloex> my desktop PC freezes randomly (or so it seems) about once a day
• 1507[13:39:57] <Foloex> it's a complete freeze: screen, caps lock, num lock, mouse...
• 1508[13:40:02] <Foloex> it's not a reboot
• 1509[13:40:47] <Foloex> I don't see anything relevant in the logs, so I'd like to know if you have ideas on what could happen or how to diagnose
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• 1511[13:41:19] <Foloex> It's not temperature related, I check every sensors, nothing there
• 1512[13:41:35] <Foloex> the CPU never goes above 70°C (with cpuburn)
• 1513[13:41:57] <Foloex> the GPU doesn't heats either
• 1514[13:42:21] <tarzeau_> Foloex: so nothing in ~/.xsession-errors nor /var/log/syslog ?
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• 1516[13:42:28] <Foloex> I did a memcheck last night, nothing there
• 1517[13:43:05] <irrep> I just have installed Debian 9 on a Intel Coffee Lake machine with the GPU “Intel UHD 630” and realized that it does not support two screens. What do I have to install to have it support two screens?
• 1518[13:43:16] <Foloex> I don't have a .xsession-errors file in my home
• 1519[13:43:19] <tarzeau_> Foloex: not any special software you use? or you run out of memory?
• 1520[13:43:53] <Foloex> It's really sudden, it doesn't slow down before dying (so I don't think it swaps)
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• 1522[13:44:02] <tarzeau_> Foloex: does the "last" output show the crashes?
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• 1524[13:45:04] <Foloex> no, I have to hit the reset switch
• 1525[13:45:30] <Foloex> ho, never minded, it does say "crash" on some entries
• 1526[13:45:32] <tarzeau_> Foloex: what about network connectivity? ping/ssh?
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• 1528[13:45:50] <nickenchuggets> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard replaced-url
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• 1530[13:45:54] <tarzeau_> Foloex: that's every time you press the reset switch
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• 1533[13:46:20] <ozfalcon> ban it
• 1534[13:46:33] <Foloex> I don't know if it's network related, how can I see that
• 1535[13:46:35] <Foloex> ?
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• 1537[13:46:56] <tarzeau_> Foloex: ping the ip of the computer, and see if it still gives icmp replies after the freeze
• 1538[13:47:17] <Foloex> the computer does respond to ping while crashed
• 1539[13:47:19] <tarzeau_> Foloex: then try to login with ssh to the computer, even the local terminal seems freezed. also try ctrl-alt-f1
• 1540[13:47:23] <Foloex> but ssh is down
• 1541[13:47:25] <tarzeau_> Foloex: what video card/drivers do you use?
• 1542[13:48:05] <Foloex> it's a nvidia GTX 1050 with nvidia's driver 387.26
• 1543[13:48:09] <tarzeau_> Foloex: kernel version?
• 1544[13:48:24] <tarzeau_> Foloex: doing 3d stuff? cuda stuff?
• 1545[13:48:35] <Dongyancai> Hello, I am using newest Debian stable within VBOX/Mac, I just set the resolution to 2048x1152 and it worked for a short while and I saved the config. But afterwards it crashed, and failed to boot again with this resolution. How can I bring the GUI back to work?
• 1546[13:48:44] <Foloex> nop, just browsing the internet or coding
• 1547[13:48:50] <blackflow> Foloex: fwiw, I had that issue on ubuntu, nvidia GTX960, driver 390. Upgraded the driver to 396, and those freezes stopped.
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• 1549[13:49:29] <tarzeau_> Foloex: which browser? what kind of coding? languages?
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• 1551[13:49:38] <Foloex> my colleague has about the same machine, it use to freeze also, but not any more
• 1552[13:50:16] <Foloex> I'm using vscode mainly for nodejs (but many other languages too)
• 1553[13:50:28] <Foloex> the browser is opera-stable
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• 1555[13:51:09] <ozfalcon> Foloex, Did colleague do anything to his machine to stop freeze?
• 1556[13:51:29] <Foloex> as for the kernel it's 4.9.0-7-amd64
• 1557[13:51:37] <Foloex> ozfalcon: not that he knows
• 1558[13:52:32] <ozfalcon> Have you tried altering bios? CPU stepping or Disable powersave modes?
• 1559[13:52:35] <Foloex> we have different CPU, I have Ryzen 7 and he has a Ryzen 5, other than that it's the exact same hardware
• 1560[13:52:59] <Foloex> no, it's the vanilla bios parameters
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• 1562[13:53:28] <Foloex> I tried upgrading the bios firmware, but it didn't change
• 1563[13:54:07] <ozfalcon> Googled Ryzen7 & GTX 1050 timing issues?
• 1564[13:54:21] <Foloex> not yet ^^
• 1565[13:54:41] <ozfalcon> Just a thought. No idea if it's that.
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• 1570[13:55:59] <ozfalcon> Could just be a faulty GPU
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• 1575[13:58:32] <epicmetal> What xft string do I specify to select variants of font-fantasque-sans? replaced-url
• 1576[13:59:17] <epicmetal> Note that they all are named 'Fantasque Sans Mono:style=Regular' but there are multiple physical files for this name
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• 1578[14:01:22] <Foloex> My issue could come from CPU's p-state settings on the bios. I'll try some settings to see if it changes anything.
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• 1581[14:03:49] <Foloex> thanks for the ideas, I guess it's trial and error until stable
• 1582[14:03:55] <Foloex> cya
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• 1585[14:05:13] <soul-d> mmm any safe way to remove the nvidia driver only and not all that contains nvidia since don't want cuda toolkit to disapear need that to build blender
• 1586[14:05:32] <soul-d> i want to switch to the official from nonfree to test
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• 1588[14:07:10] <blackflow> soul-d: you could blacklist the module on boot. modprobe.blacklist=nvidia in the kernel command line for grub. I don't know if all the nvidia* variants of the modules need to be listed, but that param is comma separated if they do
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• 1591[14:07:56] <soul-d> If you installed NVidia through the Debian's package in non-free sections, then simply remove it, with : aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx is something that looks correct from post on to restore neuvou
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• 1594[14:08:10] <soul-d> thats only thing i could find so far
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• 1597[14:10:02] <soul-d> mmm i mean i do want to use nvidia just want to update the driver to see if it resolves some issues
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• 1674[14:51:57] <hxmuller> How does one get an invite to #debian-next?
• 1675[14:52:12] <towo^work> you don't need one
• 1676[14:52:31] <towo^work> #debian-next is on oftc network, not on freenode
• 1677[14:52:40] <hxmuller> lol, my bad
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• 1695[15:07:49] <bites> greetings. i tried to modify the initrd of the jessie installer. but when trying to boot i get a kernel panic. this is how i tried to repack it: find . | cpio -o -c | gzip -9 > amd64.initrd.gz doesn't seem to work on debian. i couldn't find debian specific instructions, though. do you have an idea what i did wrong?
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• 1698[15:10:03] <petn-randall> bites: What are you changing the initrd for?
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• 1701[15:12:07] <bites> petn-randall: need to change the iso-scan script to make it work on my multiboot usb.
• 1702[15:12:31] <bites> but right now i don't have any changes in the initrd. just unpacked and repacked it.
• 1703[15:12:56] <petn-randall> bites: Does it have the same contents before and after?
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• 1706[15:14:03] <bites> different md5 sums. :(
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• 1708[15:14:23] <bites> but should be the same contents.
• 1709[15:15:07] <petn-randall> bites: "should". I'm guessing the difference are what causes your image to fail to boot.
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• 1712[15:15:23] <petn-randall> differences even
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• 1716[15:16:56] <oo_miguel> given a machine running debian is there some easy way to list every single file that is not part of the distribution AND list every single file that is part of the distriubtion but was changed after installation?
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• 1718[15:17:34] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: For the former, no. For the latter there is "debsums".
• 1719[15:17:49] <jelly> depends on whether you count writing a short script as "easy", oo_miguel
• 1720[15:18:02] <oo_miguel> jelly: yes im fine with that
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• 1722[15:18:15] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: But if you run 'find .' and subtract the output of 'debsums' from it, you'll probably also get the former.
• 1723[15:18:21] <bites> petn-randall: well, obviously. it's most likely how i repack and compress the image. trying to find out how to do it correctly.
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• 1725[15:18:51] <oo_miguel> petn-randall, jelly : perfect. Ill have a look at debsums thank you very much.
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• 1727[15:19:01] <jelly> that find probably ought to start from / and exclude other filesystems (-xdev) and include files only (-type f)
• 1728[15:19:15] <petn-randall> bites: does running 'files' on both initrd produce the same output?
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• 1730[15:20:28] <jelly> debsums is sadly not part of base installation, and sums metadata is not mandatory so not all packages come with it. After it's installed, it tracks packages that comes without checksummed files, but before that you might miss some changes.
• 1731[15:20:47] <oo_miguel> jelly: ouch
• 1732[15:21:12] <petn-randall> You can just reinstall those packages without debsum though, and debsums will generate them on the fly.
• 1733[15:21:45] <petn-randall> Comes in handy when your RAID is corrupted and you're trying to figure out WTH is happening. *cough*
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• 1735[15:21:56] <jelly> yes. Unless your system is backdoored already :-)
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• 1739[15:23:41] <jelly> debsums is how I've found the only HDD bitflip I've ever seen.
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• 1741[15:24:34] <petn-randall> jelly: It won't help you when it's backdoored, the attacker can just fix the on-disk hashes, too.
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• 1743[15:24:51] <toruvinn> well might've been a ram bitflip too, just written to disk after. ;-)
• 1744[15:25:08] <toruvinn> bitflips give me nightmares
• 1745[15:25:10] <jelly> no, because it was in a binary that used to work well
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• 1747[15:25:48] <toruvinn> huh
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• 1749[15:26:09] <petn-randall> wow, never had that, yet. That's why I wish checksumming filesystems were more common.
• 1750[15:26:12] <jelly> ram issues are a lot more common
• 1751[15:26:19] <petn-randall> yup
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• 1754[15:26:52] <Sophira|> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard replaced-url
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• 1757[15:26:56] <jelly> this was in /usr/sbin/apache that hadn't been touched in 12+ months and just started segfaulting one day
• 1758[15:26:56] <justyns> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard replaced-url
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• 1765[15:28:21] <have> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard replaced-url
• 1766[15:28:21] <have> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout replaced-url
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• 1768[15:28:22] <petn-randall> I don't quite get how they can still spam with +R on the channel.
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• 1771[15:29:07] <oo_miguel> hmm.. "debsums -l" on my desktop (where I have a lot of packages installed) does not show any packages with missing md5 checksums.. But I just installed debsums 2 minutes ago.
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• 1774[15:29:52] <Guest79333|> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal replaced-url
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• 1776[15:29:55] <Guest79333|> Voice your opinions at replaced-url
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• 1779[15:30:18] <jelly> petn-randall, easy if there is no +R or no +q $~a or whatnot
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• 1858[15:58:52] <manticorpus> Hi there, I have a very tricky question. I have a PCIE slot who doesn't support the USB3 card I have plug in. I have found a solution with tape I hide the usb-3 pin (23-25-31-33). And now my card is recognize (fallback in USB2). As I cannot ship modem with tape somebody has any idea how to force USB2 to pcie ?
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• 1864[16:01:57] <jelly> manticorpus, that doesn't make a lot of sense; however, try asking in ##hardware as well
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• 1867[16:02:54] <jelly> PCIe runs PCIe protocol, it should not have "usb3 pins"
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• 1871[16:04:30] <ozfalcon> manticorpus, Any software for said card that you can manipulate settings with?
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• 1873[16:05:04] <manticorpus> jelly : My bad (mini-pci not pcie) In fact the pin-out of the manufacturer is not compatible with the pin-out of the pci slot. I imagine the USB-3 is powered, so the card stay in USB3. When I put tape on the usb-3 pin, the card fallback in usb-2
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• 1876[16:05:38] <ozfalcon> manticorpus, Does the card work in another slot?
• 1877[16:06:02] <manticorpus> ozfalcon: No, I have only one slot
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• 1883[16:06:32] <ozfalcon> manticorpus, Does lspci show anything?
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• 1885[16:06:42] <manticorpus> ozfalcon: Oh sorry the card, is working in two cases : If I put duck on usb-3 pin and on a pci adapter with usb-3 support
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• 1887[16:07:28] <manticorpus> ozfalcon: But I am 100 % sure, that the problem is the usb-3 support there is no doubt about this (source from replaced-url
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• 1889[16:08:50] <ozfalcon> Is there any way to "Configure" the card? (Software?)
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• 1893[16:09:53] <soul-d> well only went well half of it no xfce-panel wants to start anymore get a dbus permision error and it wont quit either via cli
• 1894[16:10:04] <soul-d> can start one as root
• 1895[16:10:40] <ozfalcon> manticorpus, You have two devices? pcie card and pci card?
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• 1897[16:11:16] <manticorpus> ozfalcon: Maybe, I will contact the manufacturer to check if I can configure the device. But if I can avoid to manually change thousand of mpcie card by hand that's will illuminate my day
• 1898[16:11:21] <soul-d> also system crashes now if i logout of xfce :(
• 1899[16:12:17] <manticorpus> ozfalcon: No I have only one mPCIe on my embedded system.
• 1900[16:13:45] <ozfalcon> You would think, IF mPCIe is unable to support USB3 then it would automatic fallback to USB2.
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• 1903[16:15:06] <manticorpus> ozfalcon: I am not thinking, I have do testing and it's working
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• 1921[16:24:53] <soul-d> yup that wasn't a smart idea din't fix anything 10bit video playback related with official nvidia did borke stuff up pretty good otherwise
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• 1928[16:27:35] <jelly> manticorpus, so is it mini-pci or mini-pcie?
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• 1933[16:28:41] <manticorpus> jelly: I think mPCIe, but does it change something if it's mpci ?
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• 1937[16:29:59] <qqz> dpkg-buildpackage complains that the file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm is missing
• 1938[16:30:03] <qqz> what can I do?
• 1939[16:30:07] <jelly> manticorpus, it's a completely different card then
• 1940[16:30:19] <jelly> qqz, which debian release is that?
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• 1942[16:30:43] <qqz> Debian 9
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• 1944[16:31:26] <jelly> qqz, make sure libdpkg-perl is installer
• 1945[16:31:36] <jelly> installed*
• 1946[16:31:41] <manticorpus> jelly: Ok, so it's a mPCIe. But I think there is no simple OS solution
• 1947[16:31:49] <jelly> ,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm
• 1948[16:31:54] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1949[16:32:23] <qqz> libdpkg-perl is already installed
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• 1951[16:32:47] <qqz> if I search for the file with apt-file then it returns no feasible packages
• 1952[16:33:52] <jelly> qqz, can you show the complete command line and output? replaced-url
• 1953[16:33:54] <greycat> stretch has /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package/V2.pm and /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package/V3 without a .pm extension. I have no idea why or what it means.
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• 1955[16:34:40] <jelly> qqz, also the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg dpkg-dev libdpkg-perl"
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• 1959[16:35:18] <jelly> ,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm --release sid
• 1960[16:35:24] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1962[16:35:55] <jelly> perhaps the other modules under .../V3/ provide Dpkg::Source::Package::V3
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• 1965[16:36:38] <greycat> oh, it's a directory. that's not clear when you just look at the one line of dpkg -L output without looking at the lines underneath it.
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• 1967[16:36:47] <qqz> replaced-url
• 1968[16:37:00] <greycat> would've been nice if dpkg -L put trailing slash chars on directories, but oh well.
• 1969[16:37:18] <greycat> ,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm --release jessie
• 1970[16:37:21] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1971[16:37:25] <greycat> ,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm --release wheezy
• 1972[16:37:28] <judd> No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1973[16:38:14] <qqz> replaced-url
• 1974[16:38:17] <jelly> those versions look consistent with stretch
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• 1977[16:38:51] <jelly> !localized errors
• 1978[16:38:51] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 1981[16:39:13] <jelly> qqz, ^^. That sounds like "package format 3.0 not known" tho.
• 1982[16:39:51] <qqz> replaced-url
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• 1984[16:40:16] <qqz> jelly: what can I do; can I simply copy V3.pm from a system where it exists?
• 1985[16:40:19] <jelly> what's in debian/source/format ?
• 1986[16:40:31] <qqz> 3.0
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• 1988[16:41:33] <jelly> not "3.0 (quilt)" or "3.0 (native)"?
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• 1991[16:42:14] <jelly> qqz, I'm reading replaced-url
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• 1994[16:42:48] <qqz> what is the difference between 3.0 quilt and 3.0 native?
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• 1997[16:43:27] <jelly> I _guess_ one is for foreign source with debian patches in quilt format, and one is for native packages
• 1998[16:43:55] <qqz> ahh; it works with quilt; many thanks
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• 2001[16:44:29] <jelly> if you have debian/patches/ and some diffs with ordered names in there it's probably quilt
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• 2003[16:45:27] <qqz> another question jelly; what if I want a package to be built on all available architectures but not as noarch?
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• 2005[16:45:48] <qqz> Architecture: all does not seem to do that
• 2006[16:46:01] <jelly> then you set up build environments for each architecture and build there
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• 2009[16:46:32] <jelly> there is no cross-compilation support that I know of, Debian builds everything natively
• 2010[16:46:45] <qqz> like this? Architecture: amd64 i386
• 2011[16:47:02] <jelly> oh. You want Architecture: any
• 2012[16:47:10] <qqz> I am not asking to build cross or for another arch than I have it; I just want to get rid of the noarch tag
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• 2014[16:47:55] <qqz> the resulting package should have the arch in its name and not _all
• 2015[16:48:02] <jelly> right
• 2016[16:48:26] <jelly> that's what any is for
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• 2019[16:49:31] <qqz> I have changed architecture in qcoan.dsc to i386 and amd64 and it still seems to build a noarch package
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• 2021[16:50:08] <bitSt0rm> I think I'm missing a lib, is that correct? grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
• 2022[16:50:37] <bitSt0rm> The command I'm running is: sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --recheck --removable --efi-directory=/mnt/ext_hdd_d01/sdd01_02 --boot-directory=/mnt/ext_hdd_d01_sdd01_03/boot
• 2023[16:50:48] <qqz> jelly: your answer is highly appreciated
• 2024[16:51:32] <greycat> bitSt0rm: well, clearly the error is coming from that --target
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• 2026[16:52:43] <bitSt0rm> greycat, yes it seems so. Do you by any chance happend to know if this library is downloadable by package manager? I'm still a bit new to Linux in general..
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• 2028[16:53:23] <greycat> bitSt0rm: look in /usr/lib/grub
• 2029[16:53:35] <jelly> qqz, you're welcome! Also in case you missed it, <jelly> oh. You want Architecture: any
• 2030[16:54:39] <bitSt0rm> greycat, there is a folder: i386-pc
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• 2032[16:55:25] <jelly> bitSt0rm, you need efi build of grub installed
• 2033[16:55:34] <greycat> Yes. And you will see the file inside it. Note that there is NOT a directory named "x86_64-efi".
• 2034[16:55:38] <jelly> ,file x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
• 2035[16:55:42] <judd> Search for x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh in stretch/amd64: grub-efi-amd64-bin: usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
• 2036[16:56:23] <jelly> bitSt0rm, and that package in turn is a dependency of grub-efi-amd64
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• 2043[16:59:45] <bitSt0rm> Okay thank you all. I'm gonna read the man pages for apt-cache so I can figure out how to locate the packages - I should be able to figure this out from here.
• 2044[17:00:09] <greycat> bitSt0rm: you either use judd, or use the apt-file package
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• 2088[17:25:59] <lungaro_> so i am trying to get files owned as root and put them into a package using dpkg-deb, I *thought* fakeroot could do this but it doesn't seem so
• 2089[17:26:12] <lungaro_> is there a way to do this w/o root privs?
• 2090[17:26:29] <greycat> if they're only readable by root, then you need real UID==0 to read them
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• 2092[17:26:51] <jelly> get them from where?
• 2093[17:26:52] <lungaro_> they're files created by the regular user, i just want them root when I make the deb. They are owned by 'jenkins' now
• 2094[17:26:54] <greycat> err, "really" as in "effective", not "real uid" which is a totally different and stupid and confusing concept
• 2095[17:27:11] <greycat> Oh.
• 2096[17:27:17] <petn-randall> lungaro_: What are you trying to achieve? dpkg-deb is not a tool that should be run manually, it's usually part of building a source package.
• 2097[17:27:49] <lungaro_> petn-randall, to create a deb at the lowest of levels =P
• 2098[17:28:41] <jelly> lungaro_, running fakeroot as the same user will switch the apparent file ownership to root. Perhaps you can show actual files, their ownership and permissions, and full command line with complete output
• 2099[17:28:49] <petn-randall> lungaro_: Care to elaborate? I'm not convinced you need to run it by hand.
• 2100[17:28:57] <lungaro_> petn-randall, lets stay on task here
• 2101[17:29:10] <lungaro_> jelly, sure, lemme get a script pasted
• 2102[17:29:12] <greycat> If the task is to create a .deb then why are you ignoring petn-randall?
• 2103[17:29:21] <jelly> lungaro_, the question as posed does suggest you're doing something unusual
• 2104[17:29:49] <lungaro_> i dont want all the baggage, i am doing sometthing unusual, i dont want sources, i dont want dependencies
• 2105[17:29:55] <lungaro_> i want the fastest build process possible
• 2106[17:30:04] <jelly> vroom
• 2107[17:30:07] <lungaro_> which means doing the build outside the chroot of pbuilder and not making sources
• 2108[17:30:18] <greycat> then chown the fucking files yourself. fast.
• 2109[17:30:21] <jelly> reproducibility sucks!
• 2110[17:30:26] <petn-randall> lungaro_: So you want to do all the automatic steps by hand? Seems like the exact opposite of "fastest build process possible".
• 2111[17:30:29] <lungaro_> i dont want root if I dont need it
• 2112[17:30:36] <jelly> fakeroot wraps all the syscalls! Slow!
• 2113[17:30:52] <lungaro_> petn-randall, fast as in cpu time, in comparision its brings builds from 5 minutes to 1minute
• 2114[17:31:01] <lungaro_> so.. careful with those accusations
• 2115[17:31:07] * petn-randall yawns.
• 2116[17:32:23] <lungaro_> ok, i'll figure it out myself, i assume I have an issue with how i invoke fakeroot
• 2117[17:32:34] <petn-randall> lungaro_: Good luck with your endeavours then. If you want to reinvent the package building yourself, you can always read the source code of dpkg-buildpackage.
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• 2119[17:33:03] <lungaro_> thanks
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• 2121[17:34:39] <jelly> I've done things that way converting third party rpm into usable debs, didn't care about speed but using actual root was easier and really a bit faster than fakeroot wrapping
• 2122[17:35:00] <jelly> you can probably do that inside a separate user namespace
• 2123[17:35:10] <jelly> (don't want to call it "container")
• 2124[17:35:41] <hxmuller> systemd-nspawn?
• 2125[17:35:47] <jelly> kernel does those mappings quite a bit faster than a LD_PRELOAD wrapper
• 2126[17:37:57] <petn-randall> I'm sure you can also gain a few millisecs by statically compiling dpkg-deb.
• 2127[17:38:44] <jelly> and use a paralellizing bz2/xz implementation!
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• 2129[17:39:01] <greycat> press the Turbo button!
• 2130[17:39:27] <jelly> unless they get charged for cpu time and not care about wall time
• 2131[17:39:32] <blackflow> Millenials: "What button?"
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• 2136[17:44:44] <jizzle> woah greets all the irc hats out here
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• 2141[17:46:55] <jizzle> im surely too dumb to set my own clock right now. if i do a ntp sync, everything is fine. hwclock also shows the right time. but when after 5 minutes i come back and see timedatectl and date showing me +2 hours even having set ntp on and the right timezone. i dont know any further right now
• 2142[17:47:51] <petn-randall> jizzle: How are you setting the timezone? What the output of `date`?
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• 2149[17:51:11] <jizzle> petn-randall i set the timezone through timedatectl set-timezone Europe/Zurich and have a symlink from /etc/localtime. my date is 19:48:55 CEST 2018
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• 2151[17:51:27] <jizzle> my hwclock says 17:51:18 CEST
• 2152[17:51:53] <jelly> does this machine dual-boot to other OS sometimes?
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• 2155[17:52:54] <jizzle> its a vm
• 2156[17:53:07] <jizzle> clock gets reset every 2 mins or so
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• 2165[17:56:00] <jelly> a VM inside what? It's possible you've got it configured to get time from host
• 2166[17:56:39] <petn-randall> jizzle: If it's a VM, it's very likely getting the time from the host.
• 2167[17:56:40] <jelly> and even when you disable that running a ntp client inside a VM can be tricky
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• 2169[17:57:18] <greycat> or simply impossible, depending on the VM implementation
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• 2173[17:58:08] <jizzle> cant i just decouple the vm system? and let it have their own time? hwclock seems to have reliable output to me, cant i hang on to that?
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• 2175[17:58:47] <jelly> jizzle, it's reliable and WRONG
• 2176[17:58:51] <jizzle> what are the possible mechanisms interfering with my clock? is there a clock-set-log to see who has set it?
• 2177[17:59:01] <jelly> possibly
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• 2179[17:59:11] <petn-randall> jizzle: Sure, just consult the documentation of your VM tools to do that. But it's better not to fight those things, it's been implemented for a reason.
• 2180[17:59:43] <jelly> I know nothing about timesyncd, but if you want to make ntpd work inside esxi, feel free to ask
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• 2185[18:01:51] <jizzle> jelly: yeah id love to ntpd so it sticks.
• 2186[18:02:04] <jizzle> just checked and yeah, im into some VMWare dungeon
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• 2188[18:03:27] <petn-randall> jizzle: It's going to be easier to just fix it on the VMWare side, TBH.
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• 2190[18:04:05] <greycat> clock sync basically NEEDS to be done at the host/hypervisor level
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• 2195[18:04:58] <jizzle> I completely agree it's the correct way to do it
• 2196[18:05:10] <jelly> jizzle, so run "vmware-toolbox-cmd timesync status" and see what it says. If you don't have /usr/bin/vmware-toolbox-cmd install open-vm-tools
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• 2198[18:05:39] <jelly> greycat, that is not correct, but it's easier that way
• 2199[18:06:04] <qqz> jelly: You want Architecture: any - that does not suffice; it still builds an arch independent package:
• 2200[18:06:15] <qqz> replaced-url
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• 2202[18:06:18] <jizzle> jelly: thanks for the tip. it says activated
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• 2204[18:06:32] <jizzle> now i deactivate and will be happy for the rest of my life... (:
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• 2208[18:07:54] <jelly> qqz, where's you control file? If you're going for debian inclusion you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), different irc network than this freenode one
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• 2210[18:08:36] <jizzle> jelly you're the king of my dreams how come you didnt receive my roses yet?
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• 2212[18:09:32] <qqz> jelly: would you still give me support or shall I change the IRC network?
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• 2214[18:10:15] <jelly> qqz, I would if I wasn't on my way AFK
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• 2216[18:10:52] <jelly> jizzle, aww!
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• 2220[18:14:22] <jelly> there are some other things to tune to make it work better in case of adversity (live vm migration with pausing) but I don't have references ready rn
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• 2223[18:22:37] <qqz> jelly: perhaps you can help me one more time since the guy on irc.oftc.net does not know
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• 2228[18:26:42] <petn-randall> !tell qqz -about crosspost
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• 2235[18:29:42] <ssarah> is there a way to activate a terminal autocolors after i login as root (without changing bashrc ) ?
• 2236[18:31:18] <greycat> ssarah: source ~someuser/.bashrc
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• 2240[18:31:54] <ssarah> greycat, it has zero consequences?
• 2241[18:32:48] <ssarah> i mean unexpected side effects to source my user's bashrc after i root
• 2242[18:33:03] <greycat> You need to trust the user. It should be YOU.
• 2243[18:33:34] <petn-randall> ssarah: It's not consequence-free. But then again if it didn't have consequences, you wouldn't get terminal autocolors.
• 2244[18:34:38] <ssarah> just trying to check if it's safe. replaced-url
• 2245[18:35:05] <greycat> It's safe as long as you don't do anything evil in your .bashrc.
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• 2249[18:41:15] <rant> what about simply exporting the damn env var?!
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• 2251[18:41:51] <greycat> if you happen to have it stored in a separate file that can be sourced independently of .bashrc, more power to you
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• 2275[19:07:00] <keith4> did the 'redis-server' package get renamed to 'redis' or something?
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• 2277[19:08:50] <greycat> ,v redis-server
• 2278[19:08:52] <judd> Package: redis-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; wheezy-security: 2:2.4.14-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2:2.8.17-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 3:3.2.6-1; stretch-security: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u2; jessie-backports: 3:3.2.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5:4.0.10-1~bpo9+1; buster:
• 2279[19:08:53] <judd> 5:4.0.10-2; sid: 5:4.0.10-2
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• 2281[19:11:27] <keith4> ,v redis
• 2282[19:11:28] <judd> Package: redis on amd64 -- sid: 5:4.0.6-5; stretch-backports: 5:4.0.10-1~bpo9+1; sid: 5:4.0.10-1; buster: 5:4.0.10-2; sid: 5:4.0.10-2
• 2283[19:12:00] <keith4> interesting
• 2284[19:13:16] <greycat> *shrug* whatever... a buster user in a buster channel can try to figure out what happened post-stable
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• 2286[19:15:26] <annadane> check the tracker: tracker.debian.org
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• 2301[19:23:29] <keith4> was just trying to figure out why the redis-server package has a postinst action to symlink /lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service to /etc/systemd/system/redis.service
• 2302[19:23:54] <keith4> ... thus making some confusion, because systemd now considers "redis" and "redis-server" to both be valid, and distinct, services
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• 2305[19:24:15] <greycat> which release of debian are you on?
• 2306[19:24:19] <keith4> stretch
• 2307[19:24:44] <greycat> Then it simply sounds like an "alias" in the systemd unit file.
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• 2309[19:25:14] <greycat> cf. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 10 2017 /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service -> /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service
• 2310[19:25:45] <greycat> ssh.service has "Alias=sshd.service" in it
• 2311[19:25:48] <keith4> ah, indeed. thanks!
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• 2314[19:27:48] <greycat> As I learned the hard way, when there's a system alias, you MUST use the canonical name for most of the things you try to do (like making a drop-in foo.d/bar.conf file).
• 2315[19:27:55] <greycat> systemd* alias
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• 2318[19:28:18] <greycat> Doing it with the alias name gets things all confused.
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• 2322[19:30:53] <keith4> very. in this case, someone had made a local redis-server.service file to override one of the read/write dirs (to move where the data is), but hadn't moved that symlink, so if it were started as "redis" it used the stock conf, but started as "redis-server" it used the override
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• 2326[19:31:48] <keith4> e..g., /etc/systemd/system/redis.service still pointed at /usr/lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service, but the intent was to use /etc/systemd/system/redis-server.service
• 2327[19:31:50] <keith4> confusing as hell
• 2328[19:31:51] <xaeB5> the version of smtube (youtube browser for smplayer) in debian stable displays an annoying popup every time it starts up with information about the program and updating youtube code. anyone know if there is a way to disable that?
• 2329[19:31:59] <greycat> I'm not 100% convinced your explanation is the whole story, but there's I'm still learning systemd as well.
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• 2337[19:35:51] <keith4> the whole story is: the packager decided to use systemd/cgroups to restrict where redis can write (ReadWriteDirectories), to the stock locations. so if you change the data dir in /etc/redis/redis.conf, it can't write to your new location... and then you can't even stop redis using systemctl/service, because it won't stop until it writes its in-memory data to disk. just fills the logs with "read-only filesystem" errors. bit of a head-scratcher
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• 2340[19:37:33] <petn-randall> keith4: If you can switch the location during run, can't you just switch it back before stopping it?
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• 2342[19:38:01] <keith4> petn-randall: I'm not aware of a way to switch the location while it's running, no
• 2343[19:38:19] <greycat> then how did you get it to start up with a read-only directory and then try to write there?
• 2344[19:38:27] <keith4> I suppose the real question is: why does redis start, if it can't write to its data dir
• 2345[19:39:15] <keith4> looks like it's possible to disable the "save data to disk" feature, which is why it doesn't check for write permissions at startup.
• 2346[19:39:18] * keith4 shrugs
• 2347[19:39:30] <greycat> maybe it tries to detect the read-only-ness but fails to detect it because it's being done with cgroups instead of permissions
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• 2349[19:42:21] <keith4> seems overly cautious to me. but then again, there have been a few high-profile redis security failures in the last few years
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• 2353[19:46:52] * greycat didn't even know cgroups could DO that
• 2354[19:47:28] <keith4> it was a real "what the hell?" moment for me. what do you mean, read-only filesystem?!
• 2355[19:47:42] <keith4> it's *clearly* not. fist-shaking ensued, etc.
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• 2373[20:06:01] <AgentOak> Hi, I've just updated my testing install, which brought in xserver-xorg-core 2:1.20.0-3, which breaks monitor rotation, is it possible to downgrade? apt-get showpkg only lists the broken 2:1.20.0-3.
• 2374[20:06:13] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2375[20:06:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2376[20:06:32] <AgentOak> Oh, thanks
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• 2394[20:34:46] <Tenkawa> wow.. debian runs really good on a an amd laptop through usb 3 to a sata 6gb drive
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• 2399[20:39:34] <g0zzy> I've used the save-image format with ntfsclone. Nonetheless, i'd like to restore it to a file for loop mounting. Is that possible?
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• 2405[20:43:01] <mnuhmnuh> Tenkawa: exactly opposite from what i found with dell inspirons and hp pavilions. always hot!
• 2406[20:43:23] <Tenkawa> mnuhmnuh: weird.. i'm using it on a dell
• 2407[20:43:26] <Tenkawa> it is flying
• 2408[20:43:40] <Tenkawa> i am very pleased
• 2409[20:43:43] <mnuhmnuh> Tenkawa: always amd and radion.
• 2410[20:43:59] <mnuhmnuh> Tenkawa: happy for you.
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• 2412[20:44:09] <Tenkawa> I think the combination of amd/radeon/6gb/usb3 finally did it
• 2413[20:44:53] <mnuhmnuh> i love it on my coreii quad, but glad i don't need a laptop anymore.
• 2414[20:44:56] <Tenkawa> may have to carry an external drive around but oh well
• 2415[20:45:21] <Tenkawa> it rocks being able to run everything so light now
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• 2422[20:47:37] <mnuhmnuh> tried fluxbox? free -m:
• 2423[20:47:45] <mnuhmnuh> total used free shared buff/cache available
• 2424[20:47:45] <mnuhmnuh> Mem: 3939 816 1263 95 1858 2847
• 2425[20:47:45] <mnuhmnuh> Swap: 8169 0 8169
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• 2428[20:48:16] <Sheen> Hi there
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• 2430[20:48:30] <Tenkawa> no.. i mean physically light
• 2431[20:48:36] <Tenkawa> i had 3 machines
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• 2433[20:48:51] <Tenkawa> doing all of the weird stuff i work on
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• 2438[20:49:33] <mnuhmnuh> ah, ya, laptop + wallwart + spare batt. plus ext. mouse, ... it adds up.
• 2439[20:49:35] <Tenkawa> even compiling a kernel right now I'm only using 634 with xfce running
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• 2441[20:50:17] <Sheen> My c270 webcam max resolution is 1280*960. Using "v4l-ctl --list-formats-ext" show 1280x960 in Debian 7/8/9 and Ubuntu. But on my old Raspbian (based on Debian7) with my pi1, max resolution is only 800x600. Any idea please ?
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• 2443[20:52:36] <shtrb> different kernel ?
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• 2446[20:53:11] <mnuhmnuh> dpkg-reconfigure sumthinsumthin ?
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• 2452[20:56:07] <shtrb> should removal of network-manager-config-connectivity-debian stop connection tests (trying to avoid NetworkManager[751]: <error> [timestamp] connectivity: connectivity check failed: 4 )
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• 2456[20:58:01] <mnuhmnuh> shtrb: removal, or disable? i'd try the latter.
• 2457[20:58:38] <shtrb> tried disable with "interval=0" , didn't help
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• 2461[21:02:08] <mnuhmnuh> i removed network-manager network-manager-gnome, now i still get messages about masked services. meh.
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• 2464[21:02:36] <shtrb> :) I meant the package
• 2465[21:03:03] <mnuhmnuh> me too; removed.
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• 2471[21:07:06] <bmomjian> I have a 16-core server that is showing 0.2% CPU usage, but a load average near 0.5. This is high in the past two days. I have looked at htop and vmstat. How would I identify the cause of the increased load average?
• 2472[21:08:09] <SwedeMike> bmomjian: load includes processes waiting for IO. So look into "iotop" and see if something is writing a lot to drives and waiting for that to complete
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• 2474[21:08:42] <bmomjian> Oh, I looked at iotop too. Shows almost no I/O.
• 2475[21:08:47] <bmomjian> like 0.0
• 2476[21:09:00] <drablyechos> bmomjian: `iostat -x 1` and see if your iowait is high
• 2477[21:09:07] <drablyechos> ah
• 2478[21:09:07] <bmomjian> one thing that is odd is that sh -c 'echo $$' does the PID increasing quite a bit.
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• 2482[21:10:11] <drablyechos> has this system been routinely updated for security updates?
• 2483[21:10:36] <bmomjian> Does this look normal for PID advance? replaced-url
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• 2485[21:11:03] <bmomjian> Yes, I am Jessie 8.11
• 2486[21:11:09] <bmomjian> so I need to upgrade 9 next month
• 2487[21:11:42] <keith4> looks normal to me. if I run that one-liner, pid increases by 2, 3, or 4 each step
• 2488[21:11:49] <drablyechos> bmomjian: your PID increments look normal to me but I suppose that depends on what all you've got running on the system
• 2489[21:12:06] <bmomjian> I rebootted and still it is happening.
• 2490[21:12:08] <xaeB5> the version of smtube (youtube browser for smplayer) in debian stable displays an annoying popup every time it starts up with information about the program and updating youtube code. anyone know if there is a way to disable that?
• 2491[21:12:18] <bmomjian> Yeah, thanks for the PID check up.
• 2492[21:12:28] <drablyechos> anyway 0.5 load avg on a 16 core server shouldn't be a big deal
• 2493[21:12:34] <drablyechos> your server should be handling that with no problem
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• 2495[21:12:52] <bmomjian> it isn't but I have a load average check I run every night and it has triggered for the past two nights so I figured something changed.
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• 2497[21:13:20] <drablyechos> On multi-processor system, the load is relative to the number of processor cores available. The "100% utilization" mark is 1.00 on a single-core system, 2.00, on a dual-core, 4.00 on a quad-core, etc.
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• 2499[21:13:46] <bmomjian> I run this: awk '{if ($1 >= 0.75) printf "load average is %s\n", $1;}' /proc/loadavg
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• 2501[21:13:47] <drablyechos> bmomjian: if you're running a web server or a database server or something it might just be getting more traffic in the last 2 days
• 2502[21:13:54] <bmomjian> very true
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• 2504[21:14:15] <bmomjian> I looked at apache access logs and it looks quiet. I am thinking maybe DNS.
• 2505[21:14:35] <drablyechos> you should increase 0.75 to a much higher number if you want to only get that alert when it's a "maybe you should start to look into this" situation
• 2506[21:14:43] <bmomjian> maybe it is just a fluke
• 2507[21:14:50] <drablyechos> maybe it was running updates
• 2508[21:14:55] <drablyechos> who knows
• 2509[21:15:11] <bmomjian> has been high for the past two days even after reboots
• 2510[21:15:12] <drablyechos> you can install sysstat package and use sar to keep track of what's going on
• 2511[21:15:44] <drablyechos> why is a load avg of 0.75 your threshold for triggering alert on a 16 core server though?
• 2512[21:15:49] <drablyechos> that would make sense on a single core server
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• 2514[21:16:26] <bmomjian> I run that check at night, when the system is idle, and it does catch cases where I have a stuck processing consuming a single core.
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• 2517[21:18:46] <greycat> If that's the goal, you'd be better served looking for a single process with an exceptional amount of CPU.
• 2518[21:18:51] <drablyechos> If you want to improve that one liner, replace the 0.75 with something that calculates the threshold based on the result of `$(grep -c 'processor' /proc/cpuinfo)`
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• 2520[21:19:04] <greycat> Either total, or something more acute.
• 2521[21:19:24] <Tenkawa> also could depend on which io scheduler is running and what prioritization it thinks is relevant
• 2522[21:19:35] <drablyechos> a load average of 16.00 would be 100% utilization on your server
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• 2524[21:20:04] <bmomjian> right, I realize that
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• 2526[21:22:06] <g0zzy> I've used the save-image format with ntfsclone. Nonetheless, i'd like to restore it to a file for loop mounting. Is that possible?
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• 2530[21:24:51] <keith4> g0zzy: sure, why not? just restore to a file?
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• 2532[21:26:05] <g0zzy> Well i've only seen examples of writing back it to a partition
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• 2535[21:27:03] <buu> If I've got the following unit file: replaced-url
• 2536[21:27:04] <g0zzy> Have you actually written it to a file yourself?
• 2537[21:27:14] <buu> Why is it failing to write to /tmp/zabbix/zabbix_agent.pid ?
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• 2539[21:29:14] <greycat> (if you've got a unit file, why would anything want to create a PID file...)
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• 2541[21:29:37] <g0zzy> keith4: Have you ever written one to a file yourself?
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• 2543[21:30:42] <keith4> g0zzy: no, but a block device is a block device. doesn't matter.
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• 2548[21:34:44] <buu> zabbix-agent.service: Can't open PID file /tmp/zabbix/zabbix_agentd.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory
• 2549[21:35:02] <greycat> Well, most likely /tmp/zabbix/ does not exist.
• 2550[21:35:17] <greycat> Or something is chrooted, or cgroup-pseudo-chrooted, or whatever.
• 2551[21:35:32] <greycat> Also PID files are an abomination.
• 2552[21:35:59] <buu> greycat: Can I tell chroot/cgroup from the unit file?
• 2553[21:36:17] <greycat> Possibly. Also things can chroot themselves.
• 2554[21:36:18] <buu> drwxrwxrwx 2 zabbix zabbix 4096 Jul 25 14:35 /tmp/zabbix/
• 2555[21:36:27] <buu> replaced-url
• 2556[21:36:27] <greycat> world writable too?!?
• 2557[21:36:32] <greycat> jeeeeeesus
• 2558[21:36:32] <buu> I'm desperate
• 2559[21:36:43] <buu> Or at least, very confused
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• 2568[21:47:15] <rant> I'm not gay...
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• 2571[21:48:30] <buu> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/sys/fs/cgroup/unified/system.slice/zabbix-agent.service/cgroup.procs", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 46
• 2572[21:49:13] <greycat> systemd.service(5) under PIDFile= says "systemd will not write to the file configured here"
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• 2578[21:51:05] <greycat> So if you're supposed to tell systemd where zabbix is writing its PID file....
• 2579[21:51:32] <buu> I'm perplexed.
• 2580[21:52:03] <greycat> Why are you putting this PIDFile= line in the unit file at all? Why is it type forking? Can you make it NOT do forking?
• 2581[21:52:10] * rant runs away
• 2582[21:52:17] <buu> I didn't do any of it =[
• 2583[21:52:21] <buu> greycat: It works on stable though!
• 2584[21:52:27] <greycat> ...
• 2585[21:52:32] <buu> heh heh heh
• 2586[21:52:45] * greycat quickly stops caring
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• 2598[21:59:51] <unmy> bmomjian, monitor your network usage, remember got same when some bots were hitting my net interface by random weird packets to random ports by tcp/udp
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• 2600[22:00:18] <bmomjian> Wow, not sure how do to that.
• 2601[22:00:24] <bmomjian> That would explain it.
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• 2603[22:00:59] <unmy> still you won't be abble to do with it anything but be sure to not be a part of some drdos
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• 2606[22:01:46] <unmy> is prety common, isnt ddos but some harder waves of packets can come eventually
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• 2617[22:05:32] <unmy> Cacti could draw something or some simple script, google should give you many answers
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• 2621[22:07:18] <unmy> bmomjian, another thing to do is configure SYNPROXY by iptables if you have webserver, prety sure bots abusing it all the time
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• 2630[22:11:04] <unmy> and of course tcpdump is your best friend :)
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• 2633[22:11:41] <g0zzy> keith4: sorry - was about to say that i was thinking that ntfsclone restore might need to alter the partition table or something when special format is being used
• 2634[22:11:47] <bmomjian> Ah, tcpdump seems good.
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• 2640[22:15:29] <bmomjian> tcpdump shows tons of sunrpc hits. That could be it.
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• 2649[22:23:24] <unmy> bmomjian, good luck! :)
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• 2657[22:29:58] <RoyK> bites:
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• 2659[22:30:11] <RoyK> bmomjian: tshark is a bit better
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• 2661[22:30:38] <RoyK> bites: sorry - wrong tab completion
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• 2666[22:36:17] <bmomjian> /sbin/rpcbind -w is showing up in htop quite a bit, which matches the tcpdump output
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• 2689[22:51:00] <buu> So uh
• 2690[22:51:25] <buu> If I have a process owned by user X then I add a group to X; that process doesn't have the group right?
• 2691[22:51:31] <buu> And if so, how do I tell which groups a process has?
• 2692[22:51:47] <greycat> Processes are not "owned" -- they run with a specific UID, GID, and list of supplementary groups.
• 2693[22:52:05] <greycat> Those are inherited from the parent at the time the process is created.
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• 2695[22:52:26] <greycat> If you want a process to run with different privileges, you kill it and start a new one.
• 2696[22:54:19] <greycat> It's entirely up to the parent process to give itself the correct privs before forking/execing the process you actually want. If the thing that starts your process is, say, systemd, then it most likely does NOT slurp up all the supplementary groups from /etc/group for daemons that it launches.
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• 2698[22:55:00] <greycat> systemd.exec(5) has SupplementaryGroups=
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• 2705[23:00:11] <buu> Fair enough
• 2706[23:00:16] <buu> How do I make ps tell me groups
• 2707[23:00:51] <greycat> man ps, search for the word "groups" repeatedly
• 2708[23:01:46] <buu> fgroup ?
• 2709[23:02:28] <greycat> if you prefer, you can try searching for the word "supplementary" instead, but that's less reliable as a general heuristic
• 2710[23:02:31] <blackflow> buu: check out specifiers for -o
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• 2714[23:05:27] <buu> 1892 zabbix zabbix,docker
• 2715[23:05:34] <buu> Seems like it pulled them in?
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