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4 [00:00:25] <blackflow> password saturation! :)
5 [00:00:31] <Sokomine> :-)
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7 [00:01:10] <blackflow> I don't even know mine, it's now pure motoric memory.
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10 [00:01:28] <Sokomine> but it boots :-) just have to enter twice because i always forget which keyboard driver is loaded at what stage - and then again two times because i mistyped
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12 [00:01:44] <Sokomine> mostly, yes. motoric memory gets confused if your keyboard's not english
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15 [00:02:12] <blackflow> Sokomine: when you said you mistyped, I was gonna ask if you used a QWERTZ kbd, as sometimes locales can make a mess if your passphrase uses Z or Y
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18 [00:03:57] <Sokomine> blackflow: gets even worse if the pw contains other things than letters. really confusing for the motoric memory (which i use most of the time as well)
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21 [00:04:28] <blackflow> yup
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24 [00:05:35] <Sokomine> now...only issue currently remaining is my fight with firefox. current solution is to send it to sleep when not used (kill -SIGSTOP). seems to be the only way to get them to stop wasting cpu ressources when there's nothing to do
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28 [00:06:39] <mnuhmnuh> Sokomine: i prefer to kill -9 it. when you fire up again, it recovers where it was.
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30 [00:07:25] <mnuhmnuh> direct exit from fluxbox does it just right.
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32 [00:08:34] <Sokomine> mnuhmnuh: that'd be rather inconvenient and take time to get started again. after a SIGCONT, it really just starts nicely again. only annoying thing is that the screen gets garbled as an inactive firefox can't update its screen when asked to
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34 [00:09:48] <Sokomine> i've no idea what it wastes so many ressources for. granted, there are some exceptions where i do need to allow js, but those are few. and even those ought to do nothing when not the active tab
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37 [00:10:50] <blackflow> quantum is much better in that regard.
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40 [00:11:36] <brontosaurusrex> a cli tool to apply .config/gtk-3.0/setting.ini stuff?
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43 [00:12:27] <mnuhmnuh> Sokomine: well, at least you can do "alias stop='kill -SIGSTOP `pgrep firefox`'" and "... start= ..."
44 [00:12:58] <mnuhmnuh> maybe pkill lets you pass SIG*?
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46 [00:13:58] <mnuhmnuh> pkill -signal ...
47 [00:14:06] <Sokomine> mnuhmnuh: it works quite well for now. i start the instances from a shell in the background and thus can issue the kill commands at least manually (and also resume)
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51 [00:14:31] <Sokomine> i still wonder what the program does in its "spare time". perhaps it's developing an ai...
52 [00:14:51] <blackflow> lol
53 [00:14:52] <mnuhmnuh> half the stuff i talk about in here i'm trying to teach myself. :-)
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57 [00:16:30] <Sokomine> mnuhmnuh: ah. i usually use killall or kill directly. in this case...the first process started in the background can be sent to..er..sleep...by kill -SIGSTOP %1 then i can enter a bg already and just have to hit enter in the terminal the next time i want to use that particular firefox
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59 [00:17:35] <Sokomine> still manual work, might be forgotten, dirty due to x no longer beeing able to update the screen properly...but better than wasting ressources for nothing
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68 [00:20:02] <blackflow> Sokomine: TIL sigstop and sigcont to FF master proces. neat! You know what you can do? bind that to some keys!
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78 [00:25:06] * mnuhmnuh my ff's almost always doing something; inet radio station. :-)
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82 [00:26:30] <algun> hey can you pleas help me regain acccess to m pc im stuck in an automatic, failing fsck loop being unable to access root shell - see replaced-url
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84 [00:27:22] <asdsadsad> are you able to press alt + f2 to open terminal?
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87 [00:27:53] <algun> no theres only a blinking caret no login prompt
88 [00:28:19] <asdsadsad> sorry I don't know
89 [00:28:20] <mnuhmnuh> hit enter?
90 [00:28:33] <algun> though i am in rescue mode now i could tr normal if you think itd help
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93 [00:29:04] <algun> m no i cant even write there
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95 [00:29:25] <mnuhmnuh> how do you try normal mode when ptns won't pass fsck?
96 [00:29:35] <Sokomine> blackflow: hm. that might be intresting :-)
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98 [00:29:43] <uxfi> g
99 [00:29:49] <algun> i pick it kn grub lik i picked rescue
100 [00:30:17] <algun> sry for typos im using a tablet to communicate
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102 [00:30:42] <mnuhmnuh> meh. spelling's a lost art.
103 [00:31:55] <mnuhmnuh> rescue mode is exactly that. system detects fs wasn't marked clean on shutdown, so now needs to sanity check.
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105 [00:32:11] <algun> could i mak use of a bootable system's cd if i foun one?
106 [00:32:16] <blackflow> that error looks like something more severe
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108 [00:32:51] <algun> mnm maybe explicitly picking rescue constrain nr of ttys or smth
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110 [00:33:04] <algun> blackflow :(
111 [00:33:04] <mnuhmnuh> if you know what needs checking, it's easy, and i've never seen it fail, though it can.
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115 [00:34:33] * mnuhmnuh haven't looked at the imgur.
116 [00:34:36] <blackflow> algun: the screenshot mentions failure to mount /home. so, that's a separate partition? or whole disk?
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118 [00:34:51] <algun> blackflow partition
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121 [00:35:09] <blackflow> algun: can you mount it from the rescue mode?
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124 [00:35:30] <algun> i cant access the shell see at the bottom where it says roots locked
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131 [00:36:55] <blackflow> y u lock root! false sense of security. anyway, do you have the ability to boot into something from usb stick for example? debian installer?
132 [00:37:33] * mnuhmnuh how _do_ you lock root?
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134 [00:37:51] <algun> when i press enter to continue it starts fscking automatically again and soon its back to emergency mode with locked root
135 [00:38:12] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: see -l in manpage for passwd
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137 [00:38:15] <algun> blackflow will a netinsrt c suffice?
138 [00:38:45] <algun> netinst cd
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140 [00:39:16] <blackflow> algun: I don't know off the top of my head. what I was aiming at is to boot in some live env where you can try to mount and fsck the systems, and add "nofail" to /home options in fstab, so failure of it won't bork the whole boot (but then you'd have to log in as root, so unlock root!)
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143 [00:41:38] <algun> blackflow idk if i have a live one
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145 [00:43:06] <blackflow> algun: there's rescue mode in the netinst iso yes
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147 [00:43:42] <blackflow> algun: under Advanced options
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153 [00:48:01] * algun find and boots a lenny cd
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156 [00:49:33] <algun> blackflow so whag happens if i add nofail
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158 [00:50:37] <blackflow> algun: systemd won't find it a critical issue if it's not mountable and will continue.
159 [00:51:00] <blackflow> algun: which then means you'll boot with no home, so you can't log in as your regular user (if its home is in /home)
160 [00:51:56] <algun> but why would i wan that?
161 [00:51:57] <blackflow> but at least you should be able to login as root (probably through another, non-gui, TTY) and figure out what's up
162 [00:52:18] <algun> how do you rwckon that?
163 [00:52:20] <blackflow> algun: so you get a working system nonetheless. you don't have to really, that was just a suggestion in this case
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165 [00:53:24] <mnuhmnuh> algun: i'm with you. rescue mode already figured out what's up. dirty fs, fix it.
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168 [00:53:41] <algun> whats the diff why would that allow root login?
169 [00:54:04] <mnuhmnuh> root's home isn't in /home
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171 [00:54:31] <blackflow> and the display manager doesn't yet need /home until you try to log in
172 [00:54:35] <HighMemoryDaemon> Howdy folks. To be clear with SID, you don't need to add a security repo?
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174 [00:55:21] <algun> mn i know that but blackflow whay would root not be locked in non rescue mode?
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176 [00:55:42] <blackflow> algun: it would be. first thing I mentioned above was unlock root.
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178 [00:55:57] <algun> how do i unlocm it with noshell?
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181 [00:56:35] <annadane> HighMemoryDaemon, no
182 [00:56:43] <blackflow> algun: you boot into a live env (netinst has rescue mode which is a live env), mount your root, chroot into it and do some passwd and passwd -u magick
183 [00:56:48] <annadane> just deb <mirror> sid main [contrib non-free if you want]
184 [00:57:02] <annadane> no security or debian-updates
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186 [00:57:40] <annadane> or debian/updates or whatever the non-security one is
187 [00:57:49] <algun> bin sh fsck not found
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189 [00:57:50] <annadane> i think it's debian/updates for security and debian-updates for the other one
190 [00:58:29] <blackflow> algun: in fact, I think you don't even have to chroot, you can reuse your regular user's password field in /etc/shadow, copy it and replace root's ! (exclamation mark) with it. it's the second field (fields separated by : ) in /etc/shadow
191 [00:58:59] <algun> cool
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196 [00:59:59] <algun> says mount cant find dev sda1 in etc fstab
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201 [01:00:13] <blackflow> algun: use full mount line
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203 [01:00:31] <blackflow> algun: and of course you're not mounting to /, you're mounting to something like /mnt
204 [01:00:40] <algun> idk will google unless you tell me :)
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208 [01:01:26] <blackflow> algun: assuming sda1 is your root (though it sounds like it isn't, maybe sda2 or sda3 is), then `mount /dev/sda1 /mnt` for _example_
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211 [01:02:20] <algun> invalid argument
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213 [01:02:30] <algun> could be i made sda1 swap
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216 [01:02:37] <blackflow> algun: run blkid
217 [01:02:50] <mnuhmnuh> swapon -a
218 [01:02:54] <algun> aint got it in thi stinkin shell
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220 [01:03:15] <blackflow> algun: which shell is that? netinst's rescue mod is busybx and it has blkid
221 [01:03:20] <algun> m wha does that do
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223 [01:03:45] <algun> sorry for being tiresome probably
224 [01:03:45] <blackflow> lists block devices, their uuids and filesystems. you can see what sda1 is or what, maybe, root would be
225 [01:04:02] <algun> swapon a returne nothing
226 [01:04:12] <mnuhmnuh> busybox is tiny shell & utils environment.
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228 [01:04:21] <algun> blki wa not found a i said
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230 [01:04:25] <mnuhmnuh> rescue mode.
231 [01:04:33] <blackflow> algun: are you in netinst rescue mode?
232 [01:04:46] <algun> eh ill have to find a more recent cd
233 [01:04:58] <blackflow> algun: are you in netinst rescue mode?
234 [01:05:14] <algun> no this is old lenn dont think its netinsr an i failed to find rescue this is just some shell
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236 [01:05:25] <blackflow> lenny! yeah that won't work.
237 [01:05:39] <algun> thx sorry and stand by
238 [01:06:00] * algun throws it in the trash
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242 [01:07:31] <blackflow> that's a piece of history there. treat with respect pls :)
243 [01:08:04] <blackflow> that CD could've gone for millions on some auction in late 21st century.
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247 [01:08:38] <mnuhmnuh> there are biafrans out there still running xp, you know?
248 [01:08:55] <mnuhmnuh> eat your carrots.
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253 [01:10:02] <blackflow> now Google Loon will Make Africa Connected Again. Debians shall be installed.
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267 [01:14:22] <mnuhmnuh> i was hoping to get back to africa, and do a johnny appleseed thing with linux bouncing from country to country. reality intervened.
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272 [01:14:58] <blackflow> with a truckful of OLPCs?
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274 [01:15:45] <mnuhmnuh> sat phone & usbkey? sokris box & solar power?
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276 [01:16:25] <algun> blackflow i think it wa faulty anyway. it lacked some kernel things but vouldnt download due to missing networking drivers
277 [01:16:38] <algun> for an ethernet card
278 [01:17:01] <algun> the cd art on it wa nice but it wasrted enough of my time alreasy
279 [01:17:31] <mnuhmnuh> one of those nokia n-800's would have been ideal.
280 [01:17:45] <algun> foun a livw cd. ugh its 2010
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282 [01:18:08] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: solar powered soekris. now that's something!
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284 [01:18:23] <blackflow> but you'll need lotsa wifi, with Loons hovering 20km above ya
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286 [01:18:58] <blackflow> algun: you mentioned you had netinst earlier, what was it?
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294 [01:20:52] <algun> blackflow i think the most current one is 2013
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296 [01:21:45] <algun> ill try mounting from here
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298 [01:22:23] <algun> no blkid here either
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300 [01:22:48] <blackflow> algun: blkid doesn't matter, you can look up via /dev/disk/by-uuid/
301 [01:23:36] <algun> how?
302 [01:23:44] <blackflow> algun: with ls :)
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304 [01:24:16] <algun> it just lists the uid named disk file
305 [01:24:38] <algun> oh isee
306 [01:25:07] <algun> i mean i can now map uuid to dev but don kno hp that helps
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308 [01:26:30] * algun runs the partition editor (gui)
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310 [01:26:36] <blackflow> algun: you can run file -s /dev/sda2 and similar and see which filesystems are there, perhaps detect root like that
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312 [01:27:23] <blackflow> algun: teh disk/by-uuid is just a reference to relevant uuid, so you can have that as there's no blkid
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317 [01:29:02] <algun> thx for the tip. found root its ext 4 though. partition editor lists it as ext3 with a warning icon. concerned
318 [01:29:21] <mnuhmnuh> algun: so, your prob. was you couldn't get past fsck looping?
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320 [01:30:06] <algun> m it would throw me to emergency mode an i couldnt log in. each iteration fscked
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323 [01:30:50] <algun> fsck; cant log in; repeat
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325 [01:31:15] <blackflow> algun: you could run fsck now on those filesystems
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327 [01:31:27] <mnuhmnuh> always the same ptn that needed to be fsck'd?
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329 [01:31:46] <algun> ill pop in the newest netinst so that theres less chanc to mess up ext4
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332 [01:33:02] <mnuhmnuh> ext3 + journaling == ext4, i thought.
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335 [01:33:28] <blackflow> algun: what's UUID 6ac62..... ? is that /home ?
336 [01:33:32] <algun> mnuhmnuh i remember nr 1 bu thats it. i wouldnt watch the water boil and when i would vome back the cant login prompt would overwrite the fsck message and ask for any key to continue (fsck again)
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338 [01:34:01] <algun> yes bčackflow
339 [01:34:33] <algun> sed/č/l/
340 [01:34:52] <blackflow> oh you must be around these parts with that kbd
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342 [01:35:33] <algun> you are balkanese too?
343 [01:35:41] <blackflow> somewhat
344 [01:36:05] <algun> slovenia then
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346 [01:36:17] <blackflow> few km south :)
347 [01:36:42] <algun> istria?
348 [01:36:44] <blackflow> yup
349 [01:36:47] <algun> nice
350 [01:37:31] * algun fscks sda3 (home)
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359 [01:43:18] <mnuhmnuh> what is it, 4 am there?
360 [01:43:23] <algun> man it sounds like someone is scratching their nails on a chalkboard in there
361 [01:43:49] <algun> one fourty three
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370 [01:46:15] <mnuhmnuh> how? it's 2345 utc. balkans aren't just south east of paris.
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372 [01:47:04] <algun> yep gmt plus two
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378 [01:49:40] <mframe> has there been a regression in 9.5 w/ automounting nfs entries in fstab?
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380 [01:50:07] <blackflow> algun: mnuhmnuh actually gmt + 1, and utc+2 because we're in DST now
381 [01:50:13] <blackflow> now gmt is utc+1
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383 [01:50:44] <algun> mnuhnuh summer time i guess cet is usually plus 1
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385 [01:51:15] <annadane> is bspwm meant to be a blank screen (with default debian wallpaper) which doesn't accept any mouse clicks?
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387 [01:51:51] <algun> oh sl gmt is summer adjusted and were plus 1?
388 [01:51:53] <blackflow> algun: hdd is making funny sounds with fsck?
389 [01:52:10] <blackflow> gmt is adjusted for dst yes. UTC is static, universal
390 [01:52:22] <annadane> "bspwm doesn't handle any keyboard or pointer inputs: a third party program (e.g. sxhkd) is needed in order to translate keyboard and pointer events to bspc invocations." ok, never mind then
391 [01:52:30] <algun> it alway did blackflow though its plder than these cds
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393 [01:53:01] <blackflow> algun: I suspect that could be the cause of this mess. ran any smartctl on that? see the normalized values, are they awfully close to 0 or below "threshold"
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395 [01:54:09] <algun> will do. fsck done lets see if thats all it will take
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399 [01:56:47] <algun> y34h 1m 1n
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412 [02:04:50] <algun> got any options for me blackflow?
413 [02:05:02] <algun> flags if you will
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415 [02:05:53] <algun> to pass to smartctl i mean
416 [02:06:16] <blackflow> algun: smartctl -a
417 [02:06:35] <algun> ok what am i searching for?
418 [02:06:54] <algun> nothings printed in red
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421 [02:07:30] <algun> no errors logged however i just installe smatmontools to run this
422 [02:07:46] <blackflow> can you pastebin that?
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424 [02:08:13] <blackflow> smartctl -a | nc termbin.com 9999 might require you to install netcat first
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426 [02:08:44] <algun> none of it is sensitive right
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428 [02:09:39] <blackflow> maybe disk serial number
429 [02:10:02] <blackflow> algun: in fact you can pastebin just smartctl -A not sure the rest is needed
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432 [02:12:22] <algun> paste.debian.net/1034926
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436 [02:13:38] <blackflow> algun: that's one old, but apparently healthy drive alright.
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438 [02:13:55] <algun> but i just installed smartmontools
439 [02:14:04] <blackflow> algun: ?
440 [02:14:20] <algun> an running it took no time to exec
441 [02:14:35] <algun> so maybe a detailed test would have to be run first
442 [02:14:47] <blackflow> anyway, the usual suspects in that list aren't there. doesn't mean the drive _isn't_ in defect somehow. smart data tends to be ..... false negative
443 [02:14:52] <algun> to be able to conclud errythin is ok
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445 [02:15:34] <algun> ok well thanks for your help
446 [02:15:42] <blackflow> algun: you could run a long test if you like but that could take hours.
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449 [02:16:45] <blackflow> but the bits I wanted to see are attributes 196 nd 197, which are updated "always", so no need to run tests for those. you could run one for attrib 198
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455 [02:18:26] <blackflow> algun: so next thing to check is the sata cable. sometimes oxidation on connectors accumulates over time and it starts erroring out. you could also, if you reboot fine, inspect the journal if it's persistent, or syslog, to see if there were any errors reported by the kernel like drive timeouts, retries and similar
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526 [03:05:11] <Bacteria> umm
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528 [03:05:22] <Bacteria> wtf
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530 [03:05:44] <Bacteria> finaly i recoverd my os in grub
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532 [03:06:33] <mnuhmnuh> yay.
533 [03:06:39] <Bacteria> does teh wheezy grub not compatible with stretch?
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536 [03:07:25] <mnuhmnuh> installing stretch should give you an updated grub.
537 [03:07:52] <Bacteria> no i wanted wheezy just to discover and add stretch
538 [03:08:12] <Bacteria> i copied it over manually from a diff HD
539 [03:08:22] <mnuhmnuh> what's wheezy, oldoldstable?
540 [03:08:29] <Bacteria> omg
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542 [03:09:32] <mnuhmnuh> !wheezy
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544 [03:09:37] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
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546 [03:10:01] <Bacteria> shit hahaha
547 [03:10:07] <Bacteria> 5 yrs strong!
548 [03:10:13] <Bacteria> i <3 debian
549 [03:10:39] <Bacteria> plus teh fact that debian already comes with older software on top of that
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552 [03:11:58] <annadane> even lts has ended for wheezy, that's outdated
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554 [03:12:09] <annadane> dpkg: wheezy-lts
555 [03:12:13] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
556 [03:12:16] <mnuhmnuh> BaW: i'm running 4.16 kernel on stretch/stable.
557 [03:12:33] <mnuhmnuh> that was for bacteria
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573 [03:23:33] <rpifan> my debian system is super slow running htop it shows irq/109-ELAN130
574 [03:23:36] <rpifan> as a top memory consumer
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578 [03:28:36] <Len> rpifan: sounds like a problem with touchpad
579 [03:28:53] <rpifan> hmm
580 [03:29:03] <rpifan> supports DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
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582 [03:29:24] <rpifan> also failed to read thermal zone
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584 [03:30:19] <Len> rpifan: replaced-url
585 [03:30:25] <Len> could be related
586 [03:31:30] <rpifan> this is an asus machine
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588 [03:32:01] <rpifan> so i need a new kernel
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590 [03:32:56] <mnuhmnuh> rpifan: 4.16 is on backports.
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593 [03:34:01] <rpifan> backports?
594 [03:34:06] <rpifan> dont i need new ones
595 [03:34:07] <rpifan> not old one
596 [03:34:09] <rpifan> im on sid atm
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600 [03:35:47] <rpifan> i mean buster
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603 [03:36:42] <annadane> well i guess use the one from sid, which is 4.17
604 [03:36:54] <annadane> also for future reference
605 [03:36:58] <annadane> dselect, debian-next
606 [03:36:58] <dselect> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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609 [03:37:16] <rpifan> why arent they on freenode
610 [03:37:21] <rpifan> i already have 5 servesr open
611 [03:37:25] <annadane> idk
612 [03:37:29] <annadane> historical reasons i guess
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614 [03:37:56] <rpifan> hmm
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620 [03:39:42] <rpifan> debian next is super quiet tho
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623 [03:41:24] <annadane> yes as tends to be the case with support channels when no one is talking
624 [03:41:32] <mnuhmnuh> comes and goes, as do they all.
625 [03:41:35] <annadane> if anything debian next is slightly more receptive than #debian on oftc
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646 [03:55:50] <zethnest_> Hello. I am currently running Debian Stretch. I have a problem where my laptop froze randomly when there are inputs from keyboard inputs
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654 [04:00:57] <mnuhmnuh> zethnest_: you can jounalctl -b 0 to see what messages may have been stored.
655 [04:01:35] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl
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657 [04:03:16] <mnuhmnuh> zethnest_: if you find anything related, send it to paste.debian.net
658 [04:04:52] <zethnest_> I got lost on where it happened. I'll post when it happens again
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683 [04:21:43] <Barones> Hi, How can I cp and rename multiples files at once in shell?
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693 [04:28:21] <mnuhmnuh> BaW: you could just move the files to another (new, empty) directory.
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695 [04:29:49] <mnuhmnuh> that was meant for barones. demmit.
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714 [04:49:04] <rant> yeah they left..heh.. and it was unclear what they wanted but sounds like they wanted to both rename and copy at same time
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720 [04:51:03] <zethnest_> I looked into kern.log and looked at where the froze did
721 [04:51:08] <zethnest_> replaced-url
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724 [04:52:45] <rant> that snipped is taken VERY EARLY in the boot process
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727 [04:53:35] <rant> ah no, thats two different boots
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729 [04:54:23] <zethnest_> My laptop froze. I cannot even go into tty
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733 [04:56:40] <rant> yes well thats related to intel HD graphics and the problem is something, more than likely the kernel DRM is trying to read data from it faster than data is being written to the buffer seemingly due to interrupts occuring
734 [04:57:00] <rant> which without more context, thats about all I can say
735 [04:57:51] <zethnest_> On my previous install, I accidentally added sid repo in my apt list. It fixed this
736 [04:58:13] <rant> since this is a gpu issue aside from more context around the issue in the kernel, tthe xorg long would also be relevant
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738 [04:58:39] <zethnest_> Where can I find the solution?
739 [04:58:42] <octet> I have a userscript that justonstantly refreshing my webpage (not working). I tried clearing all browsing history, disabling all addons, etc. I then tried a different browser in virtualbox, and it still doesnt work right. I then rebooted into my windows 10 dual boot and the userscript works fine there. I think it has something to do with flushing the dns, but I tried this in debian already "systemd-resolve --flush-caches" and rebooted
740 [04:58:42] <octet> pc, but still it does not work :(
741 [04:58:46] <rant> zethnest_: so you're saying you know that this issue didnt occur in sid but it is occuring in stretch?
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743 [04:59:05] <zethnest_> Maybe
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745 [04:59:53] <rant> zethnest_: its more than likely a graphics driver issue but that doesnt narrow it down enough as the graphics drivers are two parts, kernel and userland (X), though i would venture to guess the problem is in the kernel
746 [05:00:22] <rant> zethnest_: anything in particular you're doing when these issues arise? do you have more loggage to go on?
747 [05:00:51] <zethnest_> I think it froze when inputs from keyboard is being sent. It happens randomly
748 [05:01:38] <rant> octet: I ran into a parse error or two trying to read that.. "justonstantly" is not a word in any language I know of, even various regional slangs.
749 [05:01:51] <octet> sorry, "just constantly"
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751 [05:02:30] <rant> octet: ok, well what the heck do you mean by all this.. what is a userscript that apparently applies to both debian and windows 10 and refreshing webpages?
752 [05:02:52] <rant> and what do you mean by refreshing webpage exactly
753 [05:03:01] <zethnest_> rant: The log doesn't seem to show any more error apart from acpi, gpt, and ext4-fs, in the previous boot
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758 [05:04:17] <octet> I have a userscript which augments my webpage by adding some css stuff. The issue is that when I visit a page where the userscript should activate, it causes my webpage to be in endless refresh. Though, I can use the same thing in windows. So, the problem has to do with something in debian but I am not sure what it is
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760 [05:04:46] <rant> zethnest_: yes well as I said the small part of a log you showed only indicates a fifo (buffer) being read faster than its being written among interrupts (which could be caused by the keyboard or anything else) and its coming from the DRM which is the graphics.. and anything graphics related has two parts.. kernel and X.. so you need to look at the xorg log as well
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762 [05:05:08] <octet> in windows, it functions correction, but in debian, and debian+virtualbox, it does not work with any browser
763 [05:05:20] <octet> functions correctly*
764 [05:05:22] <rant> zethnest_: if nothing I've said is helpful, then you need to provide more information because thats all can be gathered from what you've shared
765 [05:06:22] <rant> octet: userscript is not something I'm familiar with.. and I dont know of many scripts that work on both windows and debian.. so you need to start making sense.. is this a browser plugin, or what?
766 [05:06:38] <rant> are we talking javascript?
767 [05:06:46] <octet> yes, a userscript is a piece of javascript that activates on specific webpages
768 [05:07:00] <rant> and it does this via a browser plugin?
769 [05:07:11] <octet> yeah
770 [05:07:18] <rant> which browser and plugin?
771 [05:07:33] <mnuhmnuh> octet: maybe linux is doing it right, and win* is wrong for letting you get away with something you shouldn't be getting.
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773 [05:07:40] <rant> heh
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775 [05:08:14] <rant> mnuhmnuh: my father always told me every man likes a piece of ass, no man likes a smartass :P though that never stopped me..
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777 [05:08:46] <mnuhmnuh> see no evil, hear no evil, ...
778 [05:08:58] <octet> Firefox or Chrome or Opera, and Grease/Tamper/Violentmonkey. What seems odd is that I have tried other combinations in my windows 7 virtualbox, but it does not function right. only windows is letting it work. the endless refresh makes me think it is a dns problem
779 [05:09:01] <rant> bottom line is you're asking a very verbose question without getting to the meat o the issue
780 [05:09:05] <mnuhmnuh> it's just a valid q.
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782 [05:10:05] <rant> we can't get at what the problem is cause we have no idea what the source of this script is, what browsers or plygins are running it, what the expected behavior and actual behavior is..
783 [05:10:15] <rant> you're being horribly and ambiguously vague
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785 [05:10:31] <rant> debian doesnt have firefox, chrome, or opera
786 [05:10:42] <rant> it has firefox-esr and chromium
787 [05:11:06] <octet> The point I am trying to make is that neither the browsers or the plugins are at fault. the only difference I am changing is booting in windows or booting in debian.
788 [05:11:06] <rant> and you're introducing too many variables to get any sort of question answeered
789 [05:11:46] <rant> if you already know this, then you gotta solve the problem.. I can't make aa determination what is the issue if I dont even understand the circumstances under which its occuring
790 [05:12:11] <zethnest_> rant: So I've looked into Xorg.0.log.old, which is from the previous boot I believe. Doesn't seem to show any error on it's last seconds
791 [05:12:21] <rant> we're just debian users volunteering support, we're not wizards or gypsy mind readers
792 [05:13:19] <rant> zethnest_: is this happening seemingly randomly while the machine is running, while logging in/booting, while runing huge-foo-bar-baz-3d-application?
793 [05:13:43] <octet> I understand, I am just at a loss for why it it works in one OS and not the other, when userscripts are never OS or browser-specific. I guess I will try a debian live cd and see if it works in that, or another computer altogether
794 [05:13:51] <zethnest_> Seemingly randomly whice the machine is running.
795 [05:14:06] <rant> zethnest_: my best guess right now is to try treat this as a bug in the kernel drm modules for your GPU
796 [05:14:06] <zethnest_> But running it idle without doing anything doesn't freeze the machine
797 [05:14:35] <rant> zethnest_: right cause the issue is related to interrupts causing a buffer underrun and interrupts only occur when something is happening
798 [05:15:04] <rant> like disk i/o, keyboard input, network i/o .. etc
799 [05:15:12] <zethnest_> Ahh I see
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801 [05:15:49] <zethnest_> Where should I start looking for solutions?
802 [05:16:06] <rant> when a piece of hw throws an interrupt, such as any time you move the mouse or press a key, or a disk read/write completes.. it tells the CPU to stop what it's doing and handle the inturrupt
803 [05:16:21] <rant> what is causing the lockup however is likely the DRM's fifo underruning
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805 [05:16:36] <rant> and the DRM's fifo is underruning due to interrupts
806 [05:17:36] <rant> a fifo is a buffer, think of it like a pipe.. or a straw.. the underrun is like when you're drinking a milkshake and get to the end and it makes that slurping sound cause you're drinking faster than the milkshake is being filled up :P
807 [05:17:50] <rant> now who likes when their milkshake is empty?
808 [05:17:58] <rant> linux doesn't like that either :P
809 [05:18:24] <rant> it still has a craving and there is nothing coming down the straw
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811 [05:19:17] <rant> probably cause the interrupts caused whatever was providing the milkshake (the gpu in this case) to not be able to fill up the straw as fast as whatever was drinking it (xorg probably) was sucking it out
812 [05:19:18] <zethnest_> But shouldn't that resulting the machine just delaying while processing everything?
813 [05:19:25] <mnuhmnuh> zethnest_: any chance you could change your display to another resolution? don't know how that's done these days?
814 [05:19:27] <rant> yeah normally, sure
815 [05:19:39] <rant> but when there is a bug in the hw or driver.. no.. heh
816 [05:19:41] <mnuhmnuh> perhaps it'd better handle others.
817 [05:19:53] <zethnest_> mnuhmnuh: Maybe, I'll try it later.
818 [05:20:07] <rant> zethnest_: what does uname -r say?
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821 [05:20:36] <zethnest_> Forgot to mention the screen goes black and sometimes there is like a one line of pixels on the screen displaying jibberish colors
822 [05:20:41] <rant> zethnest_: my best guess at a troubleshooting option is to try another kernel as this is probably a kernel bug
823 [05:20:48] <zethnest_> rant: 4.9.0.7-amd64
824 [05:20:57] <rant> zethnest_: yeah the driver is choaking up pixels.. its common in intel gpus :P
825 [05:21:07] <zethnest_> Damn it intel
826 [05:21:21] <rant> zethnest_: ok thats the stretch kernel.. maybe try the one from backports
827 [05:21:27] <rant> ,kernels
828 [05:21:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
829 [05:21:29] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
830 [05:21:47] <rant> zethnest_: stretch-backports has a 4.16 kernel
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832 [05:22:01] <rant> might either solve this or at least shed some more light on it
833 [05:22:32] <rant> I'm not really sure how new an intel gpu the ironlake is
834 [05:23:05] <zethnest_> Ahh that so. I'll try that then.
835 [05:23:21] <zethnest_> Looks like my old install of Debian had 4.17
836 [05:23:35] <rant> zethnest_: yes that would be a testing/unstable system
837 [05:23:59] <zethnest_> More stable than the official stable
838 [05:24:06] <zethnest_> Thanks
839 [05:24:18] <rant> now the problem with a gpu could be in either the kernel or xorg driver.. but being that you see no errors in xorg and this is talking about drm and irqs, and fifo underruns, it sounds more like its in the kernel
840 [05:24:22] <rant> which is MUCH easier to solve
841 [05:24:34] <rant> cause the kernel can be swapped out relatively easily
842 [05:24:45] <zethnest_> Ahh nice
843 [05:24:58] <rant> you could even if need be run the buster/sid kernel I believe
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845 [05:25:14] <zethnest_> Roger that
846 [05:25:14] <rant> afaik the buster/sid kernel has no deps not satisfied in stretch
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848 [05:25:35] <rant> though I'd either install it manually or pin the shit out of it
849 [05:25:57] <rant> cause you dont want to accidentally wind up with frankendebian just trying to get a newer kernel to debug a gpu
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852 [05:26:15] <rant> the stretch-backport kernel is the safest thing to try first
853 [05:26:28] <zethnest_> Gotcha
854 [05:26:32] <mnuhmnuh> ah, where's your sense of adventure?
855 [05:26:38] <zethnest_> Thanks for helping me with the troubleshooting! I'll be off now. Got stuff
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858 [05:27:08] <rant> mnuhmnuh: I sat on a toilet at a small gas station bathroom in Yonkers, NY the other day..
859 [05:27:53] <rant> thats like maniac level adventurous there.. :P
860 [05:27:59] <mnuhmnuh> was there a gun at your head?
861 [05:28:13] <rant> heh.. no I didn't stay that long
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864 [05:29:21] <rant> though I also didn't know it was a latino neighborhood at first, I said hello/goodmoring to someone on the street when I guess I should've said Hola, buenas dias
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868 [05:30:18] <TC`> I did swapoff on my debian machine. There is half the ram free. Swap no shows 14MB in use and doesn't exit. What could be the problem?
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870 [05:30:51] <TC`> swap shows now only 14MB, after it was 4GB. And does not exit.
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873 [05:31:34] <rant> so you have no swap enabled, and you're wondering why it still shows 14MB in use?
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877 [05:33:08] <mnuhmnuh> TC`: type free
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880 [05:34:38] <TC`> total used free shared buff/cache available
881 [05:34:38] <TC`> Mem: 49191916 26809280 627604 590204 21755032 21178540
882 [05:34:39] <TC`> Swap: 14916 14916 0
883 [05:35:08] <TC`> Yes. I did swapoff -a
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885 [05:35:28] <mnuhmnuh> TC`: type "sudo swapon -a"
886 [05:35:42] <mnuhmnuh> multiple swap ptns?
887 [05:35:45] <TC`> But swapoff -a command did not finish
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889 [05:36:00] <TC`> just one
890 [05:36:29] <TC`> currently swapoff command is taking 90% of one cpu core time.
891 [05:37:07] <TC`> total used free shared buff/cache available
892 [05:37:07] <TC`> Mem: 49191916 26809280 627604 590204 21755032 21178540
893 [05:37:11] <TC`> root 11827 96.0 0.0 25708 1236 pts/0 R+ 05:54 40:37 swapoff -a
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895 [05:37:16] <mnuhmnuh> btw, you got in just under the wire. use paste.debian.net or they kick you at five lines.
896 [05:37:25] <TC`> sorry
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898 [05:37:50] <mnuhmnuh> i'd kill that command
899 [05:39:41] <mnuhmnuh> pkill swapoff
900 [05:40:12] <mnuhmnuh> then i think i'd reboot.
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903 [05:41:17] <TC`> I just did Ctrl+c
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905 [05:41:27] <TC`> Swap: 14M 14M 0B
906 [05:41:43] <TC`> Swap: 14M 14M 0B
907 [05:41:51] <TC`> Swap: 6.0G 14M 6.0G
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909 [05:42:19] <mnuhmnuh> wut?
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911 [05:42:54] <TC`> I did CTRL+c on swapoff -a
912 [05:43:41] <mnuhmnuh> "Swap: 6.0G 14M 6.0G"?!?
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920 [05:45:15] <TC`> Because it di dnot finish, I guess it did not shut down the swap, just cleared it.
921 [05:46:20] <mnuhmnuh> does swapoff clear swap? why? i thought it just turned it off.
922 [05:46:41] <TC`> The machine has 24GB of Ram, half used and half cached as disk. But somehow swap grew to 4GB in last two days.
923 [05:47:01] <TC`> mnuhmnuh: it does move swap back to ram.
924 [05:47:52] <TC`> if you have 100% used ram, you will end up with out of memory applications and maybe a crashed system.
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926 [05:48:38] <TC`> Doing swapoff. But It will first tell you that there's no memory to allocate for swap data.
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935 [05:57:46] <rant> you should flush all the caches first
936 [05:59:00] <rant> replaced-url
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941 [06:02:21] <rant> to avoid oom or at least help mitigate it
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943 [06:03:16] <rant> if you sync changes back to disk, flush cache, then clear swap, you're less likely to run into issues
944 [06:03:31] <squigz> My system log is being flooded with replaced-url
945 [06:03:37] <squigz> s/pretty/printed/
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951 [06:06:56] <squigz> I'm running kernel 4.9.0-7-amd64, not sure what other information to provide
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953 [06:08:27] <rant> well did you confirm what device is causing the issue?
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955 [06:08:49] <rant> and is there actually a problem aside from tthe log flooding?
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957 [06:09:13] <rant> i.e. would just stopping the flood be considered a fix to you?
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960 [06:10:43] <rant> cause this is a bug.. something is using the wrong identifier.. but the kernel seems to be working around it just is apparently doing it so frequently and verbosely its filling your logs
961 [06:11:15] <rant> squigz: don't smoke your gears on this its a simple yes or no.. I can ttell you what other info to provide and figure it out
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965 [06:11:48] <squigz> No, fixing the flooding itself is not a fix. The headset is not working at all, either
966 [06:11:56] <squigz> It has before, but been problematic. However, usually replugging fixes it
967 [06:12:27] <squigz> I'm 90% sure it's the headset causing the issue, since as I said, it seems to only come up when I play audio through it
968 [06:12:42] <squigz> try to play audio*
969 [06:12:47] <rant> ok then you have no idea, and the answer is no :P
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972 [06:12:56] <squigz> sounds about right
973 [06:13:07] <rant> you need to provide the output of lsusb and lsmod
974 [06:13:11] <squigz> Sure
975 [06:13:37] <rant> a slightly larger snipped of tthose errors wouldnt hurt either to see which parts change
976 [06:13:56] <rant> unless its exactly tthe same
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979 [06:14:41] <squigz> lsusb replaced-url
980 [06:14:59] <squigz> they are definitely not the same
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983 [06:16:09] <rant> yes the frame ID should be changing
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991 [06:21:45] <mns> How do I find out why packages have been kept back from being upgraded ?
992 [06:22:20] <mns> I've got about 388 pacages not being upgraded.
993 [06:23:00] <detly> hello, I have a debian-buster-based linaro system that I want to connect to the internet. i can connect to local wifi, but the problem is it's one of those gateways that requires a login via pin entered onto a webpage served by the gateway itself. I have only the command line ie. nmcli, nmtui. how do I deal with the gateway's stupid page? I don't appear to have links/lynx/w3m/any replaced-url
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995 [06:23:31] <rant> squigz: well near as I can tell, contrary to your belif, you have two different issues
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997 [06:24:01] <squigz> rant: I imagine *I* have more issues than that, but glad to know my system only has two. What can you tell
998 [06:24:06] <rant> squigz: cause the errors are usb3 errors on bus4 and that audio device you speak of is on a usb2 bus5
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1000 [06:24:57] <squigz> rant: By "that audio device", I hope you're not referring to what is listed in lsusb as 'Texas Instruments ...'
1001 [06:24:59] <squigz> as that is different
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1003 [06:25:44] <rant> ah.. well I just assumed that is what you were speaking of since it was the only audio device I saw on usb tha could possible be related to this as you suspected
1004 [06:27:01] <squigz> It's the Kingston USB device, it seems
1005 [06:27:05] <squigz> Had to verify which one it was
1006 [06:27:17] <squigz> That's the headset, to be clear, which I know to be causing issues
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1008 [06:29:06] <squigz> The TI device is the USB connection for a mixer that appears to be working fine, not giving me any errors when I use it
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1012 [06:31:19] <rant> squigz: I'd try unloading the usb3 (xhci) driver and plugging this back in to see if the errors are still generated and I'd venture to even unload the ehci (2.0) driver if so, and see if the messages still occur with only usb 1.0/1.1
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1016 [06:33:05] <rant> both those audio devices are reported to have worked for folk several years ago.. so I suspect its somehing recent causing the issue you're seeing
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1019 [06:35:45] <squigz> well I just moved the headset to a different USB port and it's working, so it's gotta be something along those lines. I can't see behind or move my tower right now to see what type of USB port I plugged it into :P
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1021 [06:36:26] <squigz> [ 2364.300606] usb 5-3: new full-speed USB device number 7 using xhci_hcd
1022 [06:36:31] <squigz> That's USB3 then, isn't it?
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1039 [06:40:41] <rant> well yeah those errors suggested to me anything from a buggy driver/device to a bad cable/port
1040 [06:41:06] <rant> I was justt trying to rule things out.. I was also cooking but I was gonna suggest trying diff ports and removing other usb devices as well
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1045 [06:42:23] <ElDiabolo> Hi. How do I find out the line number of a postinstall script failure?
1046 [06:42:39] <rant> the errors are related to routing of data on the bus so it could've been virtually anytthing :P
1047 [06:43:13] <rant> ElDiabolo: it usually tells you that sort of thing..
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1051 [06:45:50] <ElDiabolo> rant, It just says exit code 1, and there are several exit $? in the script.
1052 [06:45:57] <rant> ElDiabolo: tthe install scripts are normally just bash scripts.. is this an issue with a debian package we can maybe help you figure out or just a general question / debugging of your own or a 3rd party package?
1053 [06:46:28] <ElDiabolo> rant, It is mariadb-server-10.1.
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1056 [06:47:23] <rant> bash script typically exit with some kinda traceback indication unless they're exiting by an actual "exit" command :P
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1060 [06:48:09] <ElDiabolo> rant, Unfortunately it is exiting with exit.
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1070 [06:50:38] <rant> aside from showing the full output and treating this like a debian packaging issue, my best advice to answer your specific question would be to ask #bash about ways to more accurately debug/traceback scripts.. which I dont know offhand
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1075 [06:53:12] <mnuhmnuh> ElDiabolo: you can "set -x" to make it show its work.
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1080 [06:56:50] <mnuhmnuh> you can wrap any block of script w set -x/set +x to turn on and off.
1081 [06:57:47] <ElDiabolo> Thx, I just removed the old mysql stuff, /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql. That did it.
1082 [06:59:24] <mnuhmnuh> or, use a sledgehammer.
1083 [07:02:32] <ElDiabolo> mnuhmnuh, I am actually considering that. The install went through, but I can't connect.
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1095 [07:13:42] <detly> squigz: sorry, I missed the start of your issue, but I have had *numerous* issues with USB3 buses not liking multiple devices running at different speeds. I'd check if it still works in the same port as you saw problems with, but with every other device removed.
1096 [07:13:52] <detly> (apologies if that's already been covered)
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1098 [07:15:31] <rant> yeah I never heard anymore about it but that was my line of thinking
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1225 [09:08:34] <xormor> should I wait for a few days so the dependencies are met for some i386 arch packages? some of the dependencies are unavailable.
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1229 [09:12:18] <xormor> replaced-url
1230 [09:13:17] <cluelessperson> question, I installed nfs-common through apt on debian
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1232 [09:13:23] <cluelessperson> it works on one machine
1233 [09:13:29] <cluelessperson> but can't mount nfs on another machine
1234 [09:13:39] <cluelessperson> mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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1240 [09:15:27] <xormor> replaced-url
1241 [09:15:29] <blackflow> xormor: use full-upgrade
1242 [09:15:43] <xormor> blackflow, ok. thanks. I will try.
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1244 [09:16:24] <blackflow> cluelessperson: which debian versions are involved?
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1246 [09:17:07] <blackflow> cluelessperson: or try mount.nfs4
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1248 [09:17:53] <xormor> blackflow, replaced-url
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1250 [09:19:18] <cluelessperson> blackflow: debian 9
1251 [09:19:23] <blackflow> xormor: first why are you prefixing that with LC_ALL=C? Do you have wrong locales set up there? Then, are you using or combining different debian repositories, and/or backports?
1252 [09:19:43] <`whoami`> apt allows "upgrade", "dist-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" ? that is confusing. Need to read the manual
1253 [09:19:43] <apt> I think you lost me on that one, `whoami`
1254 [09:20:16] <cluelessperson> Linux cups 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1256 [09:20:49] <blackflow> `whoami`: no, full-upgrade is apt-get's dist-upgrade
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1258 [09:21:51] <`whoami`> ah, ok. thanks
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1270 [09:35:16] <xrogaan> Asking about backports, should I got to debian-next over at oftc?
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1273 [09:36:40] <cluelessperson> I don't understand
1274 [09:36:48] <cluelessperson> nfs-common is all I had to install for mounting nfs to work
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1278 [09:38:37] <blackflow> cluelessperson: did you try with mount.nfs4?
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1280 [09:38:50] <blackflow> cluelessperson: not package but command.
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1283 [09:40:12] <cluelessperson> blackflow: mount.nfs4: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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1290 [09:43:08] <blackflow> cluelessperson: sorry, not sure what it could be then
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1298 [09:49:29] <xormor> blackflow, I am using backports, and my locale is Finnish that I change to LC_ALL=C for pastebin to show the English language error messages to this channel.
1299 [09:51:38] <xormor> blackflow, fi_FI.UTF-8 is the locale I have set up on my system, but that is not the problem, the problem is the backports. The packages the system wanted to upgrade are from backports, and apparently Debian stable 9 "stretch" does not have the versions of the packages it needs for dependencies to upgrade the backports packages.
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1308 [09:55:45] <xormor> blackflow, replaced-url
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1310 [09:57:15] <xormor> I do not want to remove wine32:i386, and aptitude wants to remove it. I have a bad memory of once letting some package manager remove wine32 and I could not reinstall it, so I reinstalled the whole Debian system.
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1327 [10:03:44] <xormor> is there a sound explanation for why wine32:i386 must be removed to meet the dependencies?
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1335 [10:07:37] <Foloex> hello world
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1338 [10:08:11] <Foloex> I was issue with my desktop computer that hands randomly, it just freezes
1339 [10:08:25] <Foloex> even the num lock freezes
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1341 [10:08:49] <fpat> Foloex: what is it doing before the crash?
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1343 [10:09:12] <Foloex> nothing, it's like instant freeze
1344 [10:09:16] <Foloex> while I'm using it
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1346 [10:09:41] <Foloex> It usually happens once a day, mostly in the middle of the afternoon
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1348 [10:10:24] <xormor> Foloex, is it heating up?
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1351 [10:10:57] <Foloex> I don't think it does
1352 [10:11:11] <Foloex> it's not a shutdown or a reboot
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1355 [10:11:39] <Foloex> I wonder if it happens during a disk write though
1356 [10:11:47] <Foloex> but I can't be sure
1357 [10:12:05] <Foloex> I don't really know how to diagnose this
1358 [10:12:08] <petn-randall> Foloex: I'm assuming it's a hardware issue. I'd try running memtest86 on it over night.
1359 [10:12:34] <Foloex> petn-randall: ok, I'll try that
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1363 [10:14:08] <Foloex> is there a tool that can log temperature throughout the day ?
1364 [10:14:48] <Foloex> after a reboot the CPU has time to cooldown before I can get to a temperature display
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1366 [10:15:30] <petn-randall> Foloex: You can read it out with lmsensors. You could also try to put load on it with cpuburn.
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1368 [10:16:18] <Foloex> thanks for cpuburn, I didn't know about this tool
1369 [10:16:22] <Foloex> I like the name
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1371 [10:16:46] <petn-randall> hehe :)
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1375 [10:22:48] <cluelessperson> well I'm stuck
1376 [10:22:55] <cluelessperson> I installed nfs-common but the nfs client doesn't work
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1403 [10:36:24] <blackflow> xormor: sorry, phone, clients, all that.... what's installed from backports?
1404 [10:37:01] <xormor> blackflow, hmm... how do I check it out?
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1407 [10:38:29] <blackflow> xormor: otoh, you could grep the output of dpkg -l for ~bpo, I'm also not sure if all of them have the ~ prefix
1408 [10:38:59] <blackflow> xormor: lines in that output starting with ii are installed
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1414 [10:43:09] <xormor> blackflow, it seems the system just wants to upgrade to backports, that they are not installed yet, except perhaps for the following ones: replaced-url
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1416 [10:44:38] <xormor> blackflow, I used to do "sudo apt -t stretch-backports update && sudo apt -t stretch-backports upgrade" earlier, or was it "apt-get"? but it was not on this installation. AFAIK I have not installed anything from backports yet manually, but some automatic installation may have been done, or perhaps it just wants to upgrade to those from "non-backports".
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1420 [10:46:33] <blackflow> xormor: I could be wrong but I think if you do blanket -t stretch-backports for upgrade, you give it permission to upgrade ALL packages to available newer versions from backports.
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1422 [10:47:12] <xormor> blackflow, I think you are right.
1423 [10:47:16] <xormor> blackflow, replaced-url
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1432 [10:50:05] <blackflow> xormor: what if you use full-upgrade with -t stretch-backports? although personally I don't use backports, I would limit those only to a few absolutely needed ones from bpo
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1446 [10:57:46] <xormor> blackflow, it wants to remove wine32:i386
1447 [10:58:09] <MrScoumoune_> Hey
1448 [10:58:09] <xormor> blackflow, I want to keep it for the day I want to play a Win32 game.
1449 [10:58:25] <MrScoumoune_> recently i try to install privoxy, i have install past 2 years
1450 [10:58:42] <MrScoumoune_> but actualy that didnt work with debian probably update
1451 [10:59:12] <MrScoumoune_> any have idea why actualy that didn't work ?
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1457 [11:01:00] <xormor> blackflow, replaced-url
1458 [11:01:03] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: hi, did you check the logs for errors ?
1459 [11:01:10] <MrScoumoune_> yes
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1461 [11:01:29] <MrScoumoune_> that failure when systemctl to start service
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1463 [11:01:55] <MrScoumoune_> Habitualy that work, so is it on all new update debian or is it just me lol
1464 [11:02:23] <`whoami`> what's the error message ? Did you google it ?
1465 [11:02:27] <MrScoumoune_> yes
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1467 [11:02:37] <MrScoumoune_> i have read most post and other
1468 [11:02:47] <MrScoumoune_> wait i past you the lines
1469 [11:03:05] <`whoami`> please use a pastebin if you plan to paste multiple lines
1470 [11:03:11] <MrScoumoune_> is it when apt install privoxy that failure i have remove
1471 [11:03:11] <blackflow> xormor: can you please use a saner pastebin, like dpaste.de? I have hard time reading pastebin.com
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1473 [11:03:29] <MrScoumoune_> yes no problem
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1475 [11:03:46] <`whoami`> just guessing, don't you have another software listening on the port privoxy wants to listen to ?
1476 [11:04:36] <MrScoumoune_> i have no software who listen port privoxy but that a great question
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1478 [11:04:52] <xormor> blackflow, OK. for now I have decided to remove stretch-backports from sources.list because it causes too much of a hassle and I do not really need the backports. I was using them just for fun, as a hobby, to keep myself busy and entertained. I am now tired of the backports hassle, and will look for a time I REALLY need it.
1479 [11:05:12] <MrScoumoune_> the only change is it p6 i have disable it
1480 [11:05:29] <GreatL> this problem i have right now is driving me mad i had it twice.. had to reinstall the OS yesterday to fix it, but still it broke. what packages i have installed?: nvidia 390,77 from official site, steam, redeclipse game, other software but was through apt (same with steam). MY PROBLEM IS: that i can't boot my beautiful debian 9 system, it a 'grub rescue mode' problem :S
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1482 [11:05:40] <cluelessperson> nfs-utils.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it
1483 [11:05:44] <MrScoumoune_> replaced-url
1484 [11:05:49] <cluelessperson> when I install nfs-common, that message is given
1485 [11:05:49] <MrScoumoune_> after an apt install privoxy
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1487 [11:06:30] <GreatL> please highlight me when talking to me, im having a grub rescue mode problem, which is driving me mad
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1491 [11:07:12] <MrScoumoune_> journalctl say that : Creating config file /etc/privoxy/config with new version
1492 [11:07:12] <GreatL> i also have a luks encrypted harddrive
1493 [11:07:15] <MrScoumoune_> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/privoxy.service → /lib/systemd/system/privoxy.service.
1494 [11:07:17] <MrScoumoune_> Job for privoxy.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
1495 [11:07:19] <MrScoumoune_> oups osrry
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1498 [11:08:28] <blackflow> xormor: I'd also recommend using wine from winehq directly. PLENTY of new features and bugfixes, wine in debian repos is a abit too stale for that.
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1500 [11:09:00] <blackflow> xormor: winehq has a repo you can set up in sources.list for that
1501 [11:09:02] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: could you please make sure nothing is already listening to the port, using " ss | grep 8118 " (which is the default port privoxy uses, iirc).
1502 [11:09:09] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: you might need to run this as root
1503 [11:09:10] <xormor> blackflow, yes. thanks.
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1505 [11:09:20] <MrScoumoune_> yes ok whoami
1506 [11:09:30] <cluelessperson> GreatL: what's the problem?
1507 [11:09:34] <cluelessperson> reading
1508 [11:09:39] <subb1> Hi, all.
1509 [11:09:49] <subb1> I have Debian 9, with 4.9.0-4-amd64 kernel. I want to upgrade the kernel, for specific reasons. I run `apt-cache search linux-image` and I get a list of available kernels. My question - say I select `linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64` kernel, do I have to also install the header package linux-headers-4.9.0-7-amd64`?`
1510 [11:09:58] <MrScoumoune_> nothing listen on port 8118 ihave test ss | grep 8118
1511 [11:09:58] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: that's my only guess. If nothing is listening, i'll leave that for someone else, sorry.
1512 [11:09:59] <cluelessperson> GreatL: reinstall grub
1513 [11:10:10] <`whoami`> okay then. Sorry :\
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1515 [11:10:20] <MrScoumoune_> ok whoami is it possible because i have disable ipv6 ?
1516 [11:10:38] <MrScoumoune_> i think no but not sure i have read a post with disable ipv6 and error privoxy
1517 [11:10:48] <`whoami`> it might be
1518 [11:10:49] <Dagger> protip: don't disable v6
1519 [11:11:03] <Dagger> we're long past the point where that's an appropriate response to anything
1520 [11:11:10] <MrScoumoune_> lol
1521 [11:11:15] <GreatL> cluelessperson: how :)
1522 [11:11:22] <MrScoumoune_> is very fast i reactive ipv6 for testing
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1524 [11:12:26] <cluelessperson> GreatL: boot a live usb, mount the luks disk, use grub2 to install over the old one
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1527 [11:13:02] <blackflow> subb1: ideally you should only use the latest kernel in the major version branch, here 4.9 is considered major version. kernel headers have to be in sync with the kernel, yes, for situations where the headers are needed (like DKMS)
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1534 [11:16:15] <subb1> blackflow, I need not build any modules for the kernel, I can just go `apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64`? (yes, 4.9.0-7-amd64 is the top in the list, so latest I guess)
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1536 [11:17:27] <petn-randall> subb1: Just install linux-image-amd64, it will always point to the latest kernel in that release.
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1538 [11:18:06] <petn-randall> subb1: Also, it should be automatically upgraded when running `apt-get upgrade`, just like any other package on your system.
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1543 [11:20:07] <blackflow> subb1: what petn-randall said.
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1547 [11:21:15] <MrScoumoune_> so
1548 [11:21:25] <MrScoumoune_> dont disable ipv6 with privoxy
1549 [11:21:27] <MrScoumoune_> when you disble that failure i dont why
1550 [11:21:34] <MrScoumoune_> maybe for lo
1551 [11:21:38] <petn-randall> !enter
1552 [11:21:38] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
1553 [11:21:50] <MrScoumoune_> i tink because ipv6 disable in "lo" and privoxy use it
1554 [11:21:54] <subb1> blackflow, petn-randall, noted.. :)
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1558 [11:24:59] <subb1> ok, thanks guys!
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1566 [11:29:57] <GreatL> cluelessperson: i can't mount luks, will try in terminal
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1570 [11:32:10] <GreatL> where should i manually mount the luks device to cluelessperson
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1586 [11:41:29] <cluelessperson> GreatL: /join #android
1587 [11:41:32] <cluelessperson> ... ignore
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1634 [11:54:22] <COOurb> accidentally deleted some packages in synaptic
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1636 [11:54:41] <COOurb> And now I can't install them
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1690 [12:24:19] <COOurb> fixed
1691 [12:24:30] <iflema> COOurb: nice work
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1717 [12:40:49] <sagat> Need an urgent help please. My pam.d config is messed up after removing fprintd. Login does not accept my password, added a new user with a new password from maintanence, still does not accept. What can I do to login debian?
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1731 [12:49:05] <petn-randall> !frp
1732 [12:49:05] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1733 [12:49:21] <petn-randall> sagat: Use the steps above, and at step 4 you fix your system instead.
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1750 [13:02:26] <sagat> petn-randall: okay i did the first step, but it says /bin/sh: 0 : cant access tty job control turned off
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1752 [13:02:44] <sagat> after that i did fsck and it said all clean
1753 [13:03:32] <sagat> then followed till step four, password updated succesfully
1754 [13:03:41] <sagat> but still when i reboot the same
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1771 [13:15:13] <petn-randall> sagat: You ignored my new step 4.
1772 [13:15:38] <sagat> petn-randall
1773 [13:15:49] <sagat> sorry a bit in panic, what to do at step 4 then?
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1776 [13:15:54] <sagat> how to fix it?
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1778 [13:16:41] <sagat> petn-randall: I mean, how to fix it at step four?
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1830 [13:53:00] <Stutters> Hi there, I'm somewhat lost as to what way to make my script be run at startup. The thing is that the script is a daemon which listens in the background. How would you automatically start it on a debian 8?
1831 [13:53:36] <daemon> stick it in /etc/rc.local :)
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1856 [14:09:05] <Stutters> daemon: That works fine for daemons?
1857 [14:09:34] <daemon> Stutters, if present rc.local is just a script that runs as root at system boot time
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1859 [14:09:46] <daemon> its deprecated I expected people screaming
1860 [14:09:59] <daemon> but I use it regularly got when im to lazy to write a proper rc for something
1861 [14:10:08] <daemon> or for when I want something executed 'really last'
1862 [14:10:19] <daemon> rc.local is executed after all other startup scripts have completed
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1864 [14:10:39] <daemon> replaced-url
1865 [14:10:42] <daemon> may be of interest
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1869 [14:12:37] <Stutters> daemon: So in theory systemd service would be better, but this is a faster, lazier solution? Do I get that correct?
1870 [14:12:48] <daemon> yep pretty much
1871 [14:12:50] <Stutters> And thanks, I appreciate your answer, never knew what's what :P
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1873 [14:13:03] <daemon> :)
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1895 [14:21:11] <blackflow> Stutters: I disagree. The amount of keypresses needed to get a proper systemd unit/service going is not significantly greater, and you get to do it TheRightWay(tm).
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1897 [14:22:51] <annadane> wonder what'll be changed with systemd in buster, they're already up to 7 versions (232 in stretch, 239 in sid)
1898 [14:23:09] <Stutters> blackflow: I see. Can you tell me if I'm on the right track with TheRightWay? I found this: replaced-url
1899 [14:23:19] <Stutters> What caught my attention is that answer with 18 upvotes..
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1902 [14:24:03] <Stutters> Pretty simple and straight forward. Is that what you meant? (I need it for debian 8 though, assuming systemd works the very same way as in CentOS 7 though :O)
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1906 [14:25:19] <blackflow> Stutters: the one below, by "decimal" is even better.
1907 [14:26:17] <blackflow> Stutters: few things tho: 1) define proper dependency, if there is one and 2) make sure Type=simple is really what you want. to replace shell scripts thats it. If you had something that daemonized, then Type=forking.
1908 [14:26:35] <Stutters> blackflow: Okay, but the basic idea of Alexander (18 upvotes) still applies? So I'd use script by decimal, edit it and go on with Alexander then? :)
1909 [14:27:13] <Stutters> blackflow: Well my script is basically a daemon. Listening to a port and processing requests. I assume forking then?
1910 [14:27:22] <blackflow> Stutters: both are fine actually, decimal's is a bit more precise with After=network.target, Type=simple and given timeout.
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1914 [14:27:44] <blackflow> Stutters: yes, if your script starts a process that detaches from it, then Type=forking
1915 [14:28:10] <Stutters> blackflow: Yeah, I think decimal's pretty fine, also with the network target since it's listening to the outside world.
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1917 [14:28:18] <daemon> blackflow, 0_o
1918 [14:28:26] <daemon> this is where you vanished too
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1920 [14:28:45] <Stutters> blackflow: Oh oh... is this wife?^^
1921 [14:28:48] <blackflow> Stutters: infact... what exactly is it? It's actually better to start teh daemon in foreground (no forking) for Type=simple. and btw, I typo'd above, I meant Type=oneshot for simple exec'd scripts.
1922 [14:29:02] <blackflow> Oh, shi-!
1923 [14:29:11] <daemon> :)
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1925 [14:29:35] <daemon> blackflow, nearly convinced dstolfa to join me on a live chat on air if you interested in an invite and why did you vanish from the pub
1926 [14:29:41] <daemon> beer needs drinking!
1927 [14:29:46] <blackflow> daemon: nah, thanks.
1928 [14:30:25] <Stutters> blackflow: Well my script.sh executes this basically: java -jar example.jar
1929 [14:30:43] <Stutters> And the example.jar is the daemon itself listening to a specific port then.
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1932 [14:31:14] <daemon> Stutters, you could probably wrap that nicely in the 'daemon' binary if systemd does not do that already somehow
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1935 [14:32:39] <Stutters> daemon: To be honest I wouldn't know how to do that.
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1937 [14:33:01] <daemon> Stutters, apt-get install daemon && man daemon
1938 [14:33:07] <Stutters> I wish I did, because I'm really attracted to words like "nicely", "the right way" and "chocolate"..
1939 [14:33:20] <daemon> it may be installed 'by default' I only really use debian to host docker stuff with so not quite my os :P
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1944 [14:35:03] <Stutters> daemon: Oh, this is really sexy too *reads*
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1946 [14:35:45] <daemon> no problem, just remember this aint my os so if someone else says its wrong they are probably right :)
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1948 [14:36:38] <Stutters> daemon: I see! Thank you :) I will probably go with the systemd way for now, but this thing is definitely nice to have at disposal as well! :)
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1950 [14:36:48] <bond_james> hey guys
1951 [14:36:56] <daemon> Stutters, indeed an never have enough toys
1952 [14:37:33] <Stutters> daemon: :)
1953 [14:37:43] <Stutters> blackflow: Thank you too, that was awesome! :)
1954 [14:37:56] <bond_james> I'm stuck on grub terminal after I goofed the grub conf which now points to the wrong partition. is there any simpler way of booting up from grub?
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1956 [14:39:24] <blackflow> Stutters: you got it sorted, cool. sorry, I was derailed by a phone call.
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1958 [14:40:52] <Stutters> blackflow: Yeah no worries, I figured daemon would decide to call you directly :P
1959 [14:41:33] <blackflow> =)
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1968 [14:44:24] <Stutters> blackflow: Oh well, maybe one question. I need to create this file: /usr/lib/systemd/system/my.service . The only thing is that folder "system" doesn't exist on this debian. I just create it?
1969 [14:44:56] <blackflow> Stutters: no, that dir is for system defaults and packages. You add your service files to /etc/systemd/system/
1970 [14:45:05] <blackflow> that's also where you override existing ones
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1972 [14:46:26] <blackflow> Stutters: btw, reading up backlog, no using the daemon binary is not the solution. Systemd has all the facilities.
1973 [14:47:11] <blackflow> that's the Type=simple service type. Systemd takes over daemonization and process control _directly_
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1989 [14:56:42] <Stutters> blackflow: I see :)
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2011 [15:08:18] <daemon> hey all how would I bring up a docker-compose with the system its self
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2014 [15:09:11] <daemon> ah got it
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2022 [15:13:45] <daemon> Stutters,
2023 [15:13:45] <daemon> replaced-url
2024 [15:13:48] <daemon> works a treat
2025 [15:13:54] <daemon> should work for your java thing too
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2058 [15:27:47] <Stutters> daemon: Thanks! :)
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2062 [15:29:53] <Stutters> blackflow: I assume if the service definition is somehow wrong, my system will still be able to boot, right?
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2070 [15:33:42] <blackflow> Stutters: yes, unless that service is in a critical dependency chain. You can always `systemctl start that.service` and verify that the service definition is correct and everything works as expected.
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2075 [15:36:25] <Stutters> blackflow: Perfect, thanks! :)
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2151 [16:24:47] <Zesk> Hello, I'm using vconfig to use vlan with debian 9, but at each reboot, files under /proc/net/vlan disappear therefore my vlan interface don't go up. I remember on debian 8, i had to "vconfig int XX" only once
2152 [16:24:59] <Zesk> What am I missing?
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2180 [16:39:25] <wrq7253> Zesk: configuring vlan with vconfig (as well as with ip link ...) does not survive a reboot
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2182 [16:39:44] <wrq7253> Zesk: also in debian 8
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2187 [16:40:46] <wrq7253> Zesk: and /proc is not a real file system, it just reflect internal states of the kernel
2188 [16:42:14] <hsn> i need stable location for source code tars. replaced-url
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2195 [16:45:49] <Zesk> wrq7253: oh, is there any way to keep vconfig configuration through reboot or should I create a service to start before network?
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2203 [16:48:48] <wrq7253> Zesk: i guess permanent vlan config must go into /etc/network/interfaces
2204 [16:48:55] <wrq7253> Zesk: see man 5 interfaces
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2295 [17:28:03] <JordiGH> Is it possible to get a Linux that doesn't have meltdown/spectre mitigations?
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2298 [17:29:20] <blackflow> JordiGH: you can disable the mitigations with kernel options.
2299 [17:29:21] <annadane> try ##linux
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2302 [17:29:45] <JordiGH> blackflow: In grub?
2303 [17:29:57] <JordiGH> You don't mean compile options right?
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2307 [17:30:20] <blackflow> JordiGH: yes, kernel command line options or whatsitcalled. Quick googling returns this for explanation: replaced-url
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2310 [17:30:46] <JordiGH> Like, what's my threat model here?
2311 [17:31:05] <JordiGH> Can you exploit with js? That's about the only untrusted code I run.
2312 [17:31:06] <blackflow> JordiGH: that's something _you_ should define?
2313 [17:31:26] <blackflow> JordiGH: yes, but browsers mitigate that now with less precise js timers
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2315 [17:31:38] <JordiGH> I mean, I assume none of the binaries I download from Debian will attack me. The only attack is from browsers.
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2319 [17:32:05] <blackflow> JordiGH: at any rate, any vector that can result with RCE can xploit meltre. question is, what's the value of it.
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2329 [17:34:50] <mnuhmnuh> have good backups, and know where your reinstall iso is.
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2332 [17:35:15] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: meltre exploits are infoleak, not something that can, per se, modify your system.
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2334 [17:36:35] <mnuhmnuh> glad i don't have anything anyone wants. :-)
2335 [17:36:40] <JordiGH> mnuhmnuh: I shall also lawyer up, hit the gym, and delete facebook.
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2338 [17:37:26] <blackflow> what's facebook?
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2340 [17:37:53] <JordiGH> Web IRC service.
2341 [17:38:05] <mnuhmnuh> the new and better email.
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2343 [17:38:27] <annadane> the other thing apart from climate change which will doom all of humanity
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2346 [17:38:44] <mnuhmnuh> broadcast only, never need receive again.
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2351 [17:39:07] <mnuhmnuh> Iot will get us first.
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2353 [17:39:26] <blackflow> nah, we're covered. S in IoT stands for Security.
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2356 [17:39:57] <mnuhmnuh> that was funny the first time you said it.
2357 [17:40:47] <blackflow> that's funny every time. that kind of funny that makes you laugh and slowly transition to crying.
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2375 [17:52:19] <annadane> can someone elucidate the differences/efficacy of redshift as compared to xbacklight?
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2379 [17:54:05] <mnuhmnuh> color temp. vs. baclight level; sounds a little like apples & oranges.
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2382 [17:54:54] <annadane> i guess i'm wondering if xbacklight can do what redshift can vis. provide location and have the screen brightness change gradually
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2394 [18:02:40] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: "Insecurely-Designed Internet of Things" -- "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>, risk digest moderator.
2395 [18:02:53] <mnuhmnuh> idiot
2396 [18:03:13] <mnuhmnuh> not you.
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2452 [18:21:37] <annadane> i look forward to the impending password ...
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2468 [18:27:21] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: now S in IDIOT does stand for security :)
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2519 [19:03:14] <lungaro_> can pbuilder be told to not build a source package?
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2521 [19:05:16] <mnuhmnuh> pbuilder update?
2522 [19:05:31] <ChmEarl> dpkg-buildpackage -B ? or -b
2523 [19:05:45] <ChmEarl> binary only
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2525 [19:06:07] <lungaro_> oh interesting
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2527 [19:06:14] <lungaro_> that should speed things up! thanks, i'll give that a shot
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2529 [19:06:23] <lungaro_> how to pass taht to pbuilder though?
2530 [19:06:50] <ChmEarl> env var
2531 [19:07:25] <lungaro_> --debbuildopts looks like it
2532 [19:07:36] <lungaro_> more preferred to use DEBBUILDOPTS ?
2533 [19:08:28] <ChmEarl> yes
2534 [19:09:22] <lungaro_> cheers
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2560 [19:24:50] <mnuhmnuh> talley ho. pip pip.
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2590 [19:44:27] <fpat> i installed kde-spectacle on debian 9 and wonder now how i enable it when they print key is pressed. sadly, there is no man page and the doc directory is empty too
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2604 [19:50:08] * mnuhmnuh oftc's getting it again. :-(
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2607 [19:51:29] <fpat> :(
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2611 [19:53:00] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: "replaces KSnapshot", so ...
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2617 [19:55:02] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: in a terminal, try "kde-spectacle -help" or "kde-spectacle &"
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2651 [20:12:03] <fpat> what the heck. executable gone now?
2652 [20:12:19] <fpat> i was upstairs for a smoke :(
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2659 [20:16:10] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: which kde-spectacle
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2661 [20:16:28] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: locate kde-spectacle
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2666 [20:17:05] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: find /usr -type f -name kde\-spectacle
2667 [20:17:45] <fpat> yes, yes, YES. i am unhealthy but not stupid
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2671 [20:18:56] <mnuhmnuh> hey, i know how tough it is to type with those doggy paws; take your time, just tryin' to help.
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2676 [20:20:55] <fpat> mnuhmnuh: sorry
2677 [20:21:02] <mnuhmnuh> np. :-)
2678 [20:21:07] <fpat> thanks :)
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2696 [20:28:53] <zentris> So has anyone heard anything about them fixing debian wiki registration? Still unable to register and no one has responded via wiki@debian.org
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2706 [20:32:03] <mnuhmnuh> i wonder if asking in #debian-mentors might help?
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2714 [20:35:07] <RoyK> mnuhmnuh: #debian-dementors? ;)
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2744 [20:49:54] <mnuhmnuh> RoyK: i'll parse that as "gnome".
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2754 [20:56:43] <terrible> im planning a new flesh install of debian stretch but my questions is how many disk space i should give to swap if i have 6gb of ram
2755 [20:56:43] <terrible> ?
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2760 [20:59:18] <RoyK> terrible: flesh or fresh? ;) How much swap you need, depends on your workload etc, but normally a few gigs will do well. Setup the machine on LVM and don't allocate it all - that way you can expand the swapspace (and filesystems) later according to needs
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2763 [21:00:20] <mnuhmnuh> terrible: i have 8gb swap, 4 gb ram, but i can afford the space. depends how much you don't want your machine to ever crash from oom.
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2766 [21:00:42] <terrible> RoyK, hahaha i mean fresh
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2769 [21:01:53] <terrible> i want the system can run smooth cause i have 6gb installed
2770 [21:02:07] <RoyK> terrible: you don't need a lot of swap - better start with a little if you don't have too much disk space - monitor it with munin or zabbix or something - and add more swap as needed
2771 [21:02:22] <RoyK> if the system uses a lot of swap, you have too little RAM
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2773 [21:02:43] <terrible> i have plenty of disk space
2774 [21:02:47] <terrible> 1tb
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2778 [21:04:28] <RoyK> terrible: well, just give it 2xRAM, then
2779 [21:04:30] <RoyK> should do
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2781 [21:05:10] <RoyK> terrible: but please monitor it - munin is very simple to setup and will tell you with nice graphs how much swap is in use and a ton of other stuff
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2784 [21:06:16] <terrible> i heard that with 2gb of swap is enough if i have 4gb of ram or more already installed on my system
2785 [21:06:20] <terrible> that is true
2786 [21:06:20] <terrible> ?
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2789 [21:06:54] <mnuhmnuh> terrible: i run fluxbox. never touch swap. ymmv.
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2798 [21:14:05] <mnuhmnuh> swap only comes into it when processes in ram need to be swapped out to make room for other/new processes.
2799 [21:15:21] <jhutchin1_wk> terrible: If you have a laptop, and want to use suspend-to-disk, you need your swap to equal your RAM (That's where suspend writes the memory image).
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2801 [21:15:53] <mnuhmnuh> swap speed is horribly low compared to ram, so you don't want to use it. it's intended as a safety feature agains crashing from oom.
2802 [21:16:52] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchin1_wk: or that too. :-)
2803 [21:17:19] <jhutchin1_wk> If your swap space is much more than 4G and you actually start to use it, it can be slower the bigger it is. One recomendation I've seen is 2x RAM up to 4G, then just cap it at 4G unless you deal with REALLY BIG datasets.
2804 [21:17:53] <jhutchin1_wk> I haven't seen "suspend" on a desktop PC in a long time.
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2808 [21:18:59] <terrible> i decide to give 8gb to swap
2809 [21:19:03] <terrible> is that ok
2810 [21:19:13] <terrible> i have 6gb of ram installed
2811 [21:19:26] <mnuhmnuh> w a TB drive? you tell us.
2812 [21:20:00] <mnuhmnuh> jh just said cap it at 4
2813 [21:20:08] <jhutchin1_wk> Interesting. In irssi, if I /clear the tab for a channel, switch away, and switch back the text is restored.
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2821 [21:24:37] <terrible> mnuhmnuh, yes 1tb of hard disk
2822 [21:24:41] <terrible> why?
2823 [21:26:16] <mnuhmnuh> that's a lot of space! 8 gb out of a TB drive ain't much of a hit.
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2833 [21:29:22] <hxmuller> I came in the middle of the discussion, but replaced-url
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2837 [21:30:08] <mnuhmnuh> go ahead, confuse us w facts.
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2842 [21:32:02] <RoyK> terrible: you can adjust the amount of swap linux uses with sysctl vm.swappiness - it usually isn't a lot - if it's over a gigabyte, you probably have too little RAM
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2853 [21:34:45] <mspe> waw, I thought you had no choice but to dedicate partition(s) for swapping
2854 [21:34:58] <mspe> didn't even occur to me to try to do it with a file
2855 [21:35:21] <RoyK> mspe: use partitions or even better - LVs - files are slower - much slower
2856 [21:35:29] <drablyechos> you can swap to anything
2857 [21:35:41] <mspe> I know but just the technical possibility ^^
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2859 [21:35:48] <drablyechos> yeah
2860 [21:36:08] <drablyechos> I have been in situations where I needed to free up some RAM to get something done temporarily and just swapped to a file
2861 [21:36:22] <drablyechos> it is slow but it got the job done without the need to go and set up a partition
2862 [21:36:35] <drablyechos> it is good to know about that technical possibility
2863 [21:36:38] <hxmuller> enable zswap?
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2865 [21:36:49] <hxmuller> echo 1 > /sys/module/zswap/parameters/enabled
2866 [21:37:01] <RoyK> the secret is to use LVM all the way and not allocate it all and just add a new swap LV when needed
2867 [21:37:02] <mspe> zswap?
2868 [21:37:16] <RoyK> mspe: compressed swap
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2871 [21:37:28] <mspe> to be even slower? :D
2872 [21:37:48] <RoyK> depends on your storage, if you're on spinning rust, it'll probably be faster
2873 [21:37:49] <hxmuller> should be faster than swapping to a spinner
2874 [21:38:52] <drablyechos> if you really need that much RAM and you're using swap a lot, I'd recommend just getting yourself a VPS with all the RAM you're gonna need
2875 [21:39:34] <jhutchin1_wk> RoyK: LVM does have some overhead, but it's only noticible in extreme conditions. It's slightly slower than direct access.
2876 [21:39:38] <drablyechos> swapping is not ideal and it can really thrash your disk by taking up a lot of iops
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2878 [21:40:05] <RoyK> jhutchin1_wk: everything has an overhead, but the gain with lvm is worth it
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2881 [21:42:02] <hxmuller> i like lvm with encryption on laptops with a single drive, I haven't quite figured it out yet on desktops with /home and /var on a different drive than /
2882 [21:42:39] <hxmuller> but that's a different topic
2883 [21:42:54] <mspe> nowadays I only have data partitions (and swap ones, but only for rare emergencies)
2884 [21:43:04] <drablyechos> curious question on the topic of swap - if you are using swap space for storing stuff in memory, does it leave stuff on the disk that could be later recovered by forensics tools?
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2886 [21:43:43] <hxmuller> I believe that's why full disk encryption also encrypts swap
2887 [21:43:51] <hxmuller> to prevent that
2888 [21:43:54] <drablyechos> since physical RAM is volatile, unless you like freeze the memory sticks immediately after removing from the machine, it is hard to recover anything off of it
2889 [21:43:57] <drablyechos> hm
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2893 [21:44:50] <drablyechos> does encrypted swap add extra overhead?
2894 [21:45:03] <hxmuller> all encryption does
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2896 [21:45:25] <RoyK> drablyechos: if course it leaves stuff there - encrypted swap adds a wee overhead, but not a lot, at least if you have a modern CPU with AES instructions
2897 [21:45:34] <hxmuller> but I can't really feel the impact
2898 [21:45:59] <drablyechos> RoyK: that makes sense, thanks
2899 [21:46:02] <RoyK> for a laptop, no - for a large-scale server, probably
2900 [21:46:03] <drablyechos> it would be interesting to benchmark
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2902 [21:46:35] <drablyechos> I haven't thought much about the inner workings of swap in years
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2905 [21:47:58] <mnuhmnuh> drablyechos: i learned yesterday that swapoff forces stuff in swap back into ram. i thought it just disabled swapping.
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2907 [21:48:50] <mspe> depends if your allocated swap space was actually being used
2908 [21:48:59] <mnuhmnuh> makes sense, but unexpected.
2909 [21:49:01] <mspe> depending on your swappiness sysctl setting
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3054 [23:11:01] <garotosopa> Hi. How can I upgrade a single package that's marked as automatically installed? If I do apt-get install foopackage, it gets marked as installed manually.
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3060 [23:13:30] <annadane> garotosopa, that ought to work. either the package in question has no updates, or you could try apt update first
3061 [23:13:43] <annadane> which package?
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3067 [23:15:10] <garotosopa> annadane, I had libavcodec58 marked as automatically installed (checked it on aptitude). The I did apt-get install libavcodec58 to get it upgraded (I'm running Sid). So now libavcodec58 is not marked as automatically installed anymore.
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3069 [23:16:12] <annadane> well, you can apt-mark auto libavcodec58 to set it to auto
3070 [23:16:24] <annadane> but did it successfully update or not?
3071 [23:16:31] <garotosopa> It did, yes.
3072 [23:16:44] <garotosopa> I'll mark it again then.
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3076 [23:17:17] <mnuhmnuh> what's the difference?
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3078 [23:18:05] <annadane> i'm not sure there's a way other than marking it automatic to keep it automatic if you're upgrading individual packages
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3080 [23:18:15] <garotosopa> The thing is I use a script with this: apt-get update && apt-get install $(debsecan --format packages --suite sid --only-fixed); and I like to keep my manually installed package list as curated as I can.
3081 [23:18:33] <annadane> maybe someone else has a better idea
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3085 [23:19:10] <garotosopa> I guess I'll change that oneline script to account the automatically installed packages before upgrading. Then I'll mark then back after the upgrade.
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3125 [23:41:11] <hankpete> has anyone ever had troubles when using an external monitor? i am using a very fancy new Dell monitor but it has made everything very laggy
3126 [23:42:42] <hxmuller> hankpete: laptop with a discrete and integrated gpu?
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3130 [23:43:22] <hankpete> hxmuller, Intel HD 520. How can i tell?
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3132 [23:43:29] <Rajjix> hi
3133 [23:43:41] <Rajjix> i like this channel
3134 [23:43:51] <hxmuller> hankpete: so no additional nvidia or amd graphics?
3135 [23:43:52] <hankpete> Rajjix, me too
3136 [23:44:21] <Rajjix> been a while since i've been on irc
3137 [23:44:25] <Rajjix> maybe 6 years or so
3138 [23:44:31] <Rajjix> didn't think people still use it xD
3139 [23:44:33] <hankpete> hxmuller, i dont think so. want to see lspci?
3140 [23:45:10] <hxmuller> no, you would know if there were additional chips on board I guess
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3143 [23:45:51] <hankpete> yeah i didn't do any tampering
3144 [23:46:17] <hankpete> hxmuller, its just the original lenovo flex 3 with a debian stretch partition
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3151 [23:48:33] <jhutchins> This is odd. If I do vi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* it gives me 2 copies of the first file, and none of the other 7. It says "8 files to edit".
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3155 [23:49:38] <hxmuller> hankpete: confirm nvidia not onboard. run lsmod and check for nvidia
3156 [23:49:59] <hankpete> jhutchins, isn't that normal when u try to open many files with vi? each time u quit it opens the next one
3157 [23:51:06] <hankpete> hxmuller, `lsmod | grep nvidia` gives nothing
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3159 [23:51:53] <Rajjix> what's the problem here maybe i can help with something
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3161 [23:52:18] <mnuhmnuh> hankpete: grep -i ?
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3163 [23:52:55] <hankpete> Rajjix, i am connected to a big new dell monitor and now everything is very laggy (unless i reduce the resolution)
3164 [23:53:10] <jhutchins> hankpete: Yeah, but instead of the 8 files, I get two or three versions of the first file only.
3165 [23:53:20] <hankpete> mnuhmnuh, good point, still nothing
3166 [23:53:23] <hxmuller> hankpete: my guess is the chip is struggling with both the external and laptop display running. does it have a functin switch to switch between laptop and external monitor?
3167 [23:53:38] <jhutchins> hankpete: What I ended up doing was just pointing to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and it gave me a menu.
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3171 [23:55:11] <hankpete> hxmuller, that was my guess. i dont get it though, my laptop is fairly new. never heard of "function switch". will look that up. thanks for the help so far everyone!
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3173 [23:56:41] <Rajjix> can u send your graphic card details
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3175 [23:56:50] <Rajjix> use hardinfo or lspci
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3178 [23:57:27] <Rajjix> but i think you should probably disconnect your computer screen and should work fine
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3180 [23:57:44] <hankpete> Rajjix, I think this is the relevant line in lspci `VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)`
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