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69 [00:28:55] <rootmolloch> I wrote a OpenCL public Fractal software
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100 [00:47:14] <mnuhmnuh> rootmolloch: i have a couple written by others; one in perl and another in sh. draws a mandelbrot. cf perl vs sh speed.
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103 [00:47:36] <rootmolloch> mnuhmnuh, okay
104 [00:47:39] <rhizome> hi all. i updated today and rebooted, and now NetworkManager is flapping, dhcp is resetting every minute or so.
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108 [00:48:19] <mnuhmnuh> nm-applet in evidence?
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112 [00:49:37] <mnuhmnuh> what is opencl?
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114 [00:50:42] <rootmolloch> mnuhmnuh, C for the GPU
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117 [00:51:32] <rootmolloch> mnuhmnuh, for the graphics card
118 [00:52:09] <mnuhmnuh> bravo. something to do with them besides mine bitcoin. :-)
119 [00:52:46] <rootmolloch> mnuhmnuh, yeah :-) thx
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186 [01:28:40] <`whoami`> hello, it seems i somehow f*cked up my system when trying to install steam from the official website, now I get errors related to /usr/share/perl/5.24/FileHandle.pm everytime I use apt, where could I find a fresh version of that file ?
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189 [01:29:30] <`whoami`> also: i just broke apt when trying to install steam from debian repos (i had to enable x86 to "see it")
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194 [01:31:15] <`whoami`> (and apt --fix-broken install didn't solve the issue)
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197 [01:32:46] <s0nou572> #galex-73
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208 [01:37:51] <mnuhmnuh> `whoami`: possibly perl-modules-5.24
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210 [01:38:29] <mnuhmnuh> apt-file search
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221 [01:42:12] <annadane> are you sure that would fix the problem or has whoami just borked their system now
222 [01:42:19] <annadane> this is why you install from within the repository
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248 [01:59:45] <`whoami`> yes indeed it worked
249 [02:00:31] <`whoami`> it installed perl first, then apt fixed the steam install
250 [02:00:33] <`whoami`> tyvm :)
251 [02:00:50] <`whoami`> perl-modules-5.24 i mean
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279 [02:22:34] <mnuhmnuh> blind luck, i'd say. what i suggested said /usr/share/perl/5.24.1/FileHandle.pm; he was looking for .../5.24/...
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282 [02:23:07] <mnuhmnuh> maybe one's a symlink.
283 [02:23:14] <mnuhmnuh> to the other.
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324 [02:49:19] <heurea> hi, i'm using testing on my Debian, is it possible to install a single package from stable?
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329 [02:50:51] <rant> sure its possible doesnt necessarily make it a good idea
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333 [02:51:47] <heurea> rant: well i've no other possibility as the updated version in testing is broken for me
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335 [02:52:36] <coruja> wouldn't it be a better approach then to fix it?
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338 [02:53:59] <mnuhmnuh> heurea: you can run stable apps on testing.
339 [02:54:04] <heurea> coruja: that's what I did with the developer since the last 3 days without success
340 [02:54:20] <coruja> which package?
341 [02:54:23] <heurea> rtorrent
342 [02:54:30] <coruja> ,v rtorrent
343 [02:54:31] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; sid: 0.9.7-1
344 [02:55:34] <heurea> mnuhmnuh: is it the same way as running testing/unstable package on stable?
345 [02:56:03] <coruja> at least the stable version doesn't seem to be too far away from testing
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347 [02:56:30] <mnuhmnuh> heurea: you don't run testing or sid on stable. the other way's fine.
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349 [02:57:11] <coruja> make sure that you pin that stable version when installing from stable else it would be upgraded again
350 [02:57:19] <heurea> true, i'm just already using an unstable package on testing
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352 [02:58:09] <heurea> coruja: half of the codebase from 0.9.6 to 0.9.7 have changed
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354 [02:58:19] <heurea> coruja: alright thanks
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399 [03:46:51] <davis> I read that this would stop my x-windows from autoresizing when I grab them. gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling false
400 [03:47:09] <davis> howwever my windows still autoenlarge at times
401 [03:47:25] <davis> do I need to put this in a file at startup rather than issue in xterm?
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404 [03:50:53] <mnuhmnuh> gnome settings editor, i think. dunno how it's called.
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419 [04:02:56] <rant> im not sure either as i dont use gnome but sounds like gsettings is similar to gconf or dconf and that sets an option in a persistent config file
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421 [04:03:34] <rant> id look at manpage for that command were i in your position
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500 [04:58:23] <arosusi> 🎑
501 [04:58:34] <arosusi> Hello #debian.
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548 [05:28:19] <hamersaw> i'm attempting to install on a new lenovo x1 carbon gen6. i've attempted stretch and buster and both i get the install screen and then regardless of which option i choose (ie. graphical install, install, expert install, etc) the screen goes blank.
549 [05:28:48] <hamersaw> some searches have been saying the kernel is too old for the new hardware, shouldn't trying buster solve that?
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553 [05:34:46] <karuvally> hamersaw, ThinkPads are generally known to be issue free when it comes to Linux
554 [05:35:07] <karuvally> did you try any other distro?
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557 [05:38:09] <rant> historically but lenovo has been changing that
558 [05:39:05] <rant> you can use newer kernels on stable but if it wont boot with stretch kernel thats a bit trickier
559 [05:39:14] <rant> ,kernels
560 [05:39:15] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.6-2); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
561 [05:39:16] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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563 [05:39:49] <rant> buster kernel is in stretch backports
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566 [05:40:11] <rant> no need to go testing just for that
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569 [05:43:10] <rant> hamersaw: fwiw someone was just in here earlier sayin they went gen 5 cause gen6 had some known issues with linux
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572 [05:43:20] <hamersaw> karuvally: not yet, i was going to try ubuntu.
573 [05:43:44] <hamersaw> rant: interesting. i didn't even think twice about the gen6 because lenovo has had such a great track record with linux ... guess that's what i get!
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575 [05:44:10] <rant> hamersaw: id check thinkwiki
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638 [06:56:01] <NewGnuGuy> The .iso and .torrent files for Debian 8.8.0 appear to be missing from within replaced-url
639 [06:56:16] <NewGnuGuy> Anyone know what happened to them?
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643 [06:57:23] <rant> latest Jessie is 8.11 iirc
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645 [06:57:52] <rant> !8.11
646 [06:57:54] <dpkg> Debian 8.11 is the final point release for Debian 8 "Jessie" and was released on 2018-06-23. The point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive, see replaced-url
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648 [06:58:48] <NewGnuGuy> I know that 8.11 is the lastest version of 8. I'm specifically looking for the missing files for 8.8.0.
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651 [07:00:52] <rant> idk im out on i99 headin to nyc dont have an answer for ya
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659 [07:08:28] <Tom-_> well there's this acrhive site for debian packages
660 [07:08:31] <Tom-_> i don't remember it now
661 [07:09:02] <Tom-_> snapshot.debian.org
662 [07:09:05] <Tom-_> !snapshot
663 [07:09:09] <dpkg> replaced-url
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670 [07:14:59] <NewGnuGuy> Tom-_: That contains old versions of the package repos. I'm looking for old ISOs which should all be under replaced-url
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678 [07:26:41] <Tom-_> i think it doesn't keep old ISOs
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680 [07:26:46] <Tom-_> that's a lot of harddisk space :)
681 [07:27:59] <NewGnuGuy> Doesn't explain the lack of the torrent files though
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717 [08:17:02] <rant> we dont even keep current iso anymore
718 [08:17:43] <rant> just a few of most recent
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727 [08:24:13] <ozfalcon> Just updated Buster, And $XDG_VTNR doesn't seem to be set. Is this documented anywhere?
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842 [10:06:29] <sumyunseal> wtg
843 [10:06:35] <sumyunseal> i cant get into stretch
844 [10:08:44] <sumyunseal> did they change grub?
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864 [10:19:53] <sumyunseal> ok so clearly grub is not finding stretch
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884 [10:34:05] <KdeKris> For anyone who was following my trials and tribulations with hardware acceleration earlier this week. The trick was to upgrade to Debian Testing branch. The stable branch just doesn't have the correct packages and dependencies.
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906 [10:48:31] <peanatsu> hello. I dont like "locate" running updatedb cronjobs regularly and dont use it anyway (find is fast enough). Is it ok to simply "aptitude remove locate" ?
907 [10:48:55] <peanatsu> I just did this, but the daily cronjob for updatedb (which is now no longer installed) hasnt been removed
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909 [10:49:20] <peanatsu> I can do this manually of course, but it makes me wonder whether other parts of the system will assume "locate" to exist
910 [10:50:12] <peanatsu> Im on Debian stable (stretch)
911 [10:50:45] <sumyunseal> ummm
912 [10:51:39] <themill> The package is mlocate not locate. It's also not a particularly intensive cron job; it's not 1996 any more.
913 [10:51:49] <sumyunseal> themill,
914 [10:51:58] <sumyunseal> dood iam stuck
915 [10:52:30] <sumyunseal> grub is not working
916 [10:52:45] <peanatsu> hm, so "locate" package is something else entirely?
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922 [10:54:41] <themill> peanatsu: oh, I'd forgotten locate still existed. Yes, that's the rather old version and its cron job will give your disk a good thrashing
923 [10:54:53] <sumyunseal> y cant i boot from debian7 to debian9
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925 [10:55:06] <sumyunseal> grubupdate wont find it
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927 [10:55:11] <themill> peanatsu: have a look at the package descriptions for the two packages; you want mlocate not locate these days
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929 [10:55:51] <peanatsu> I want neither, frankly. I was just worried that the cronjob wasnt deleted automatically. but it has "[ -e /usr/bin/updatedb.findutils ] || exit 0" at the beginning so I suppose it's fine
930 [10:56:47] <peanatsu> But thanks for the info. I didnt know there were different locate versions..
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934 [10:58:44] <themill> You'd purge the package for the config files (such as cron jobs) to go away
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937 [11:00:11] <d3vnull> i believe locate is gnu....if it is locate only shows world readable files...mlocate shows everything so a normal user can see all the files in /root/bin as an example
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940 [11:01:50] <sumyunseal> how come refind doesnt detect debian9
941 [11:02:25] <peanatsu> Oh wow. Thanks, that did it! (I guess I didnt consider a cronjob a "config file")
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972 [11:24:29] <KdeKris> This line, "OpenGL renderer string: AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.50.0, 4.16.0-2-amd64, LLVM 6.0.1)" means I'm using hardware acceleration as opposed to software rendering, correct?
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975 [11:27:40] <dutchfish> KdeKris, yes, at least it tries too. To be sure that it is actually working you need mesa-utils and invoke `glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"`
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978 [11:28:49] <KdeKris> "direct rendering: Yes" forgot about checking that, thanks. Looks like I'm good.
979 [11:29:06] <dutchfish> KdeKris, it sure looks so
980 [11:29:12] <KdeKris> All that crap I went through last week, and All I had to do was upgrade to testing branch.
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982 [11:30:07] <dutchfish> KdeKris, yes, i rem. The newer kernels and drm are better in respect to some older amd cards and correctly loading the driver. Alot has been improved in testing.
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984 [11:31:00] <dutchfish> KdeKris, glad to hear you made it so far.
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986 [11:31:04] <KdeKris> I don't know why I was so against the idea of just switching to the testing branch. Oh well. Lessons learned
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988 [11:31:37] <dutchfish> KdeKris, i use testing on my own desktop, but not for production runs or servers.
989 [11:32:06] <dutchfish> KdeKris, that has worked for me for years.
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991 [11:32:32] <KdeKris> I'm a bit of an idiot sometimes I guess. Not really any reason not to use testing unless you absolutely HAVE to have the stability.
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993 [11:32:36] <antto> hm, there are newer-ish drivers for old-ish amd video cards in "testing" ?
994 [11:33:24] <KdeKris> antto, technically, it's the same driver, just a new version.
995 [11:33:40] <dutchfish> antto, alot has been improved in the newer kernels and newer drm/mesa. But rem, it is still testing. Sometimes, stuff breaks in there.
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997 [11:34:10] <antto> of course.. that's why it's not called "stable" ;P~
998 [11:34:18] <dutchfish> ;)
999 [11:34:37] <antto> is there some easy way to try those drivers?
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1006 [11:39:20] <dutchfish> antto, that depends on your hardware. Most of the 1..2years old hardware runs fine on stable as it is, so maybe there is no need too.
1007 [11:39:59] <dutchfish> antto, on newer stuff, you might want to try Debian/testing.
1008 [11:40:08] <dutchfish> (as a rule of thumb)
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1012 [11:41:19] <dutchfish> antto, if you are not sure (i do most of the time research before i buy new hardware), start with stable.
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1014 [11:42:04] <antto> i bought a radeon R5 230 without reasearching, because it had to be low-profile and low-power
1015 [11:42:14] <antto> trying to see what year it's from
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1017 [11:43:43] <KdeKris> antto, if you're running debian stretch stable, you can run 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' It'll give you a lot of important information about your rendering and opengl/mesa version
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1020 [11:44:08] <antto> i tried glxinfo -B
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1022 [11:44:26] <KdeKris> What's the output?
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1024 [11:44:38] <antto> but i can't compute that into a "year" ;P~
1025 [11:45:00] <antto> okay, wikipedia says 2014
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1029 [11:46:47] <KdeKris> I'd think you'll be fine on stable. I'd check 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' as well to see what the output says for OpenGL renderer string and direct rendering
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1032 [11:47:04] <antto> wasn't there some command to put the output of a command into a pastebin?
1033 [11:47:18] <KdeKris> I haven't got a clue
1034 [11:47:29] <dutchfish> !pastebinit
1035 [11:47:30] <KdeKris> I just hightlight, copy, paste.
1036 [11:47:38] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
1037 [11:47:47] <antto> KdeKris it's long
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1039 [11:48:16] <antto> ah.. hm
1040 [11:48:47] <KdeKris> dutchfish, I've GOT to install that. Thanks. Does it work with logging in to pastebin?
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1043 [11:49:30] <dutchfish> KdeKris, grep [phrase] /path/whatever.log | pastebinit
1044 [11:49:54] <antto> KdeKris, replaced-url
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1046 [11:51:03] <KdeKris> Looks like you have direct rendering
1047 [11:51:18] <KdeKris> direct rendering: Yes
1048 [11:51:34] <KdeKris> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAICOS (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.9.0-6-rt-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
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1050 [11:51:45] <antto> yeah, ioquake3 is playable now ;]
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1053 [11:52:44] <KdeKris> Before I upgraded to testing, 'direct rendering' showed yes, but OpenGL renderer string would show llvmpipe, which was software rendering. Which made a lot of games unplayable.
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1056 [11:53:36] <antto> i wonder what "unified memory = no" means
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1064 [11:55:19] <dutchfish> antto, alng with newer kernels an dnewer drm/mesa, more and more features are being incorporated in the open source amd drivers. Not all are implemented in Stretch's ecosystem.
1065 [11:55:55] <dutchfish> antto, at least the basic funtionality is there for your card.
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1067 [11:56:16] <dutchfish> (if not most of it)
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1069 [11:56:34] <Iridos> is there something new/different connecting to an X server? I actually wanted to connect x11vnc to :0 … but that fails… looking into the issue, I can also not open xterms on :0, even though I set XAUTHORITY to /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
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1072 [11:57:13] <antto> yeah, it's just that.. this one program i use (some CAD) has bad rendering performance on external gpu
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1077 [11:58:03] <antto> afaik it's because its software rendering is old and it draws into the video memory, which takes much longer when the gpu is external
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1079 [11:58:29] <antto> i was wondering if that might somehow magically improve with a supposedly newer version of the driver
1080 [11:58:33] <dutchfish> Iridos, have you tried the option '-auth guess' mode?
1081 [11:58:40] <Iridos> yes
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1083 [11:59:12] <dutchfish> Iridos, i dont use it, maybe try the BTS, it could be a kown one.
1084 [11:59:21] <dutchfish> known*
1085 [11:59:34] <Iridos> I've also looked up XAUTHORITY from the firefox process that is running on :0 on the remote machine
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1092 [12:00:23] <Iridos> uuh… wait. what I've not seen is that DISPLAY is :1 for that firefox … but I don't see :1 in xauth list
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1099 [12:02:34] <Iridos> ah yes, seems that was it… there was another weird thing in XAUTHORITY, the display was #ffff#6b616f73#: instead of :1
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1102 [12:04:25] <dutchfish> antto, that card is decent, but dont expect miracles even with hw acc.
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1112 [12:10:47] <fpat> strange that dpkg periodically floods itself off the server
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1114 [12:11:42] <fpat> s/periodically/repeatedly/
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1116 [12:12:07] <dutchfish> fpat, it was slow as well
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1118 [12:12:35] <dutchfish> fpat, maybe they are working on it, don't know
1119 [12:12:53] <fpat> :)
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1131 [12:25:28] <arosusi> .
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1137 [12:27:22] <crackpotmark> Regarding custom liveboot USB, is it better to build from scratch or edit a prebuilt one
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1142 [12:29:42] <crackpotmark> By custom I mean adding some extra packages and changing some default config
1143 [12:30:18] <antto> dutchfish nah, i've not expected miracles, just better performance than the built-in silly intel gpu
1144 [12:30:42] <jubo2> Hello and thanks, thanks, thanks for the most awesome OS for servers
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1146 [12:31:16] <jubo2> I got this one server where the RTC (real time clock) is right on time but the other times given by 'timedatectl' are off by 20 minutes
1147 [12:31:56] <jubo2> how do I set the other clocks into the time that the RTC has _or_ how do I enable NTP?
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1150 [12:35:11] <jubo2> ntp is turned on but it is not synccing
1151 [12:38:50] <blackflow> jubo2: what are you talking about?
1152 [12:39:09] <jubo2> A problem with the server's clocks?
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1154 [12:39:16] <bhb> hey guys
1155 [12:39:39] <blackflow> jubo2: can you pastebin an output for example? what do you mean the rtc is right but times in timedatectl output aren't?
1156 [12:39:54] <jubo2> blackflow: ok.. i ssh in
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1159 [12:41:12] <jubo2> blackflow: replaced-url
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1163 [12:41:46] <jubo2> I probably want to set the NTP to synccing state
1164 [12:42:09] <bhb> I'm looking for a driver for a USB... I have scoured the manufacturers website to find the correct driver, however without support for my kernel version 4.16. How hard would it be to path the kernel? Can anyyyybody please kindly advise on where to start?
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1166 [12:42:25] <bhb> patch*
1167 [12:42:50] <blackflow> jubo2: what does `date` say though?
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1170 [12:43:10] <blackflow> that's some weird output in timedatectl. anway, the simplest thing to do is to start systemd-timesyncd.service
1171 [12:43:36] <jubo2> blackflow: date gives the local time or the universal time, not the RTC one
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1173 [12:44:11] <jubo2> blackflow: ok I start systemd-timesyncd.service
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1176 [12:45:14] <jubo2> blackflow: it says "unrecognized service" when I try to start it with 'sudo service start systemd-timesyncd'
1177 [12:45:25] <jubo2> Should I include the .service ?
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1179 [12:45:28] <blackflow> jubo2: oh you're not on stretch?
1180 [12:45:39] <jubo2> This is a Debian 9.5
1181 [12:45:51] <jubo2> I don't know about the codenames.. I never learn them
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1183 [12:46:20] <blackflow> jubo2: well Debian 9.5 should have the systemd-timesyncd.service present
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1187 [12:46:53] <jubo2> It is a VPS.. maybe the hosting guys' isntall image doesn't have that
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1189 [12:47:34] <blackflow> that'd mean a completely custom systemd package. btw..... systemctl start systemd-timesyncd.service
1190 [12:48:21] <jubo2> blackflow: that run without errors
1191 [12:48:41] <jubo2> still says "NTP synchronized: no"
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1193 [12:49:12] <blackflow> jubo2: pastebin systemctl status systemd-timesyncd please (no need for .service for this one)
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1195 [12:49:49] <discovered> In debian i was installed the 960 driver version version 367.35. Perhaps it is somehow updated to 375.82. If i run "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-367.35.run --uninstall" it says no nvidia driver is installed! How do i remove it?
1196 [12:49:50] <blackflow> jubo2: while at it, also please pastebin /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf
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1198 [12:50:15] <discovered> i tried apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* Got another error E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
1199 [12:51:29] <jubo2> blackflow: replaced-url
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1201 [12:52:21] <blackflow> jubo2: ah I see. timesyncd won't start because you have ntpd installed. okay, systemctl status ntpd.service or what is it I don't know by heart, try TAB after ntp
1202 [12:53:35] <jubo2> blackflow: replaced-url
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1205 [12:54:49] <blackflow> jubo2: now please ntpq -p
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1210 [12:55:40] <jubo2> blackflow: replaced-url
1211 [12:56:36] <blackflow> jubo2: right, so your ntpd is not working properly. can you pastebin /etc/ntp.conf ? I think it's that one or /etc/ntpd.conf not sure
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1213 [12:57:40] <jubo2> blackflow: replaced-url
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1219 [13:00:13] <blackflow> jubo2: well, dunno what's goin on. Try restarting the ntp.service, see if it'll start syncing up. it's been a while since I used ntp.org's ntpd, not sure what else to do to debug this
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1221 [13:00:45] <blackflow> one thing that comes to mind is firewall not allowing udp on port 123 in or out
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1223 [13:01:03] <jubo2> blackflow: ok thanks for your help
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1225 [13:01:24] <jubo2> blackflow: and now that you mention it the firewall does not allow that.. sorry about not thinking of that early-on
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1228 [13:02:49] <blackflow> jubo2: so with firewall fixed, you now see it syncing and have correct time?
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1231 [13:04:18] <jubo2> Uhh.. I'm not very fluent in IPTABLES .. was ages ago when I wrote the ruleset that allows 22, 53, 80 and 443
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1236 [13:06:03] <blackflow> jubo2: are you using any program to manage iptables?
1237 [13:06:19] <jubo2> nope. wrote the ruleset by hand for a uni assignement
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1239 [13:07:00] <blackflow> jubo2: okay and how are you making it effective, that's what I'm asking.
1240 [13:07:03] <jubo2> ohnoes.. running 'sudo iptables -F' just cut off the ssh
1241 [13:07:20] <jubo2> blackflow: uhh.. I'd rather not answer that
1242 [13:07:26] <blackflow> see if you can ssh back in, could be just the session is forgotten
1243 [13:07:53] <blackflow> jubo2: lemme guess, you ssh in and manually run iptables-restore < myruleset ? :)
1244 [13:08:07] <jubo2> this is embarrancing.. yes
1245 [13:08:39] <jubo2> blackflow: not to worry.. I have VNC access still
1246 [13:08:57] <blackflow> jubo2: you can use iptables-persistent package for that. you still have full controll over the ruleset, it's not adding any abstraction to it
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1248 [13:09:20] <blackflow> jubo2: flushing the tables should not blo..... oh, you have policy DROP on INPUT?
1249 [13:09:33] <jubo2> I guess I do
1250 [13:09:35] <jubo2> I check
1251 [13:09:52] <jubo2> blackflow: yeah DROP
1252 [13:09:59] <blackflow> can you pastebin the ruleset btw?
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1254 [13:10:05] <jubo2> As I said I not fluent in IPTABLES
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1256 [13:10:28] <jubo2> the iptables rules are just fine.. I just need to adjust to allow port 123 if I want the NTP to work?
1257 [13:10:30] <blackflow> jubo2: there's your opportunity to become fluent :)
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1262 [13:13:06] <jubo2> blackflow: Now I see "NTP synchronized: yes" when I run 'timedatectl' but the "Local time" and "Universal time" are still 20 minutes in the past
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1265 [13:14:11] <blackflow> jubo2: it takes time for them to sync up. you could force it by running ntpd -gq (stop the ntpd.service first, just in case, I don't know if that works while the service is already running)
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1268 [13:15:09] <discovered> should i use win32diskimager for writing to usb?
1269 [13:15:13] <jubo2> blackflow: Ok. Big thanks for your help with this issue.
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1271 [13:15:24] <blackflow> jubo2: if I were you though, I'd just use the systemd's timesyncd. it's good enough for a VPS (it's not as precise as ntpd, but oyu don't need sub-milisecond precision, do you :) )
1272 [13:15:45] <jubo2> Just to have the right minute would be fine blackflow
1273 [13:15:56] <jubo2> I set the time manually with 'date' for now
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1275 [13:16:11] <blackflow> ntpd is a whole ntp server, not just a client, and often ridden with vulns. it's a bit of a bloat not really needed nowadays, and if you really dislike systemd's facilities, there's openntpd and chrony
1276 [13:16:12] <jubo2> I gonna need to hack the iptables rules to allow port 123
1277 [13:16:28] <blackflow> jubo2: ntpd -gq should've set the time precisely
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1282 [13:17:30] <blackflow> jubo2: pastebin your existing ruleset. it's not the same where you insert a new rule, in the existing chain.
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1287 [13:18:35] <blackflow> jubo2: also check if you have an external firewall, VPS hosters often have it
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1290 [13:19:24] <blackflow> btw, some massive storm cell is approaching on weather radar, so if I disappear, you know why. :)
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1294 [13:21:50] <jubo2> Uhh.. I'm worried about people hacking my server or pointing fingers and laughing if I pastebin my iptables rules
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1296 [13:22:17] <jubo2> .. you know.. coz I'm not very good at iptables so there could be horrible gaping holes in there
1297 [13:23:19] <blackflow> jubo2: you won't stop hackers with a firewall...
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1300 [13:23:45] <blackflow> if you don't have vulnerable services running, firewall blocking ports that arent' listening won't change a thing.
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1302 [13:24:24] <blackflow> and services that shouldn't listen on public interfaces must be configured so, firewall or not.
1303 [13:24:26] <jubo2> blackflow: so you want the iptables commands or the dump? how do I dump the ruleset .. I don't recall
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1305 [13:25:29] <blackflow> jubo2: pastebin the output of iptables-save
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1307 [13:25:49] <jubo2> hold on.. I'm installing 'man' .. the things these VPS come without..
1308 [13:25:50] <blackflow> and ip6tables-save if you have ipv6 ruleset
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1315 [13:27:16] <blackflow> jubo2: btw, if you obfuscate any IPs of yours in that dump..... how can anyone know which server that is? On internet, nobody knows you're dog ;)
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1325 [13:29:37] <jubo2> blackflow: This may be a hazard but here is the output of iptables-save replaced-url
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1328 [13:30:25] <jubo2> blackflow: I'll explain what I was going for.. allow 22, 53, 80 and 443 and definately not allow 3306
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1333 [13:31:59] <Lope> Anyone know how to resolve permission denied for using a disk image with virt-manager?
1334 [13:32:09] <blackflow> jubo2: that's unnecessarily complex. First, you don't need such convoluted established,related rules. a single port-independent one at the beginning, for INPUT chain, suffices. and one for OUTPUT chain, if you really must block outgoing like that.
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1336 [13:32:42] <blackflow> jubo2: that should fix your ntp issue, as you don't have related,established for port 123 and the kernel can't smartly track outbound and returning udp packets for port 123
1337 [13:32:57] <Lope> I've chowned the disk image to my user. My user is in kvm qemu libvirt libvirt-qemu groups, I've logged out and logged back in again. Every time I start the VM something chowns the disk image to root:root, then I get permission denied.
1338 [13:33:12] <hassoon> 40°C outdoors
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1340 [13:33:28] <jubo2> blackflow: whoa.. you some sort of guru for being able to read all that from a iptables-save
1341 [13:33:47] <jubo2> took me hours and hours to get this ruleset that would allow ssh to work
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1344 [13:34:39] <blackflow> jubo2: I'm nowhere near an iptables guru though
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1348 [13:36:06] <blackflow> jubo2: also, those rules on INPUT chain with --sport 22? What's that for? returning packets when you ssh OUT of that VPS? really a single established-related at teh beginning fixes that.
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1351 [13:38:21] <blackflow> jubo2: here's a simple, beginning ruleset: replaced-url
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1354 [13:39:06] <blackflow> jubo2: use eth0 for -i if that's your interface, I have ens3 in that example
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1359 [13:40:50] <SkyBird> Hello there :)
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1364 [13:42:02] <SkyBird> I have a question: i am running a openmediavault 4 server with ext4 fs + raid 5 on it. now i want to convert the fs to raid 5 - best without data lost. any suggestions how to solve the problem?
1365 [13:42:14] <Lope> I figured out the problem. By default virt-manager connects to qemu:///system instead of qemu:///session . However now on qemu:///session I don't think networking will work. replaced-url
1366 [13:42:19] <SkyBird> to btrfs .. *
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1368 [13:43:51] <jubo2> Ok thanks for your help and instructions blackflow
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1372 [13:46:36] <blackflow> jubo2: yw
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1375 [13:47:27] <blackflow> SkyBird: you're not making much sense. you don't have raid5 ON ext4, you have ext4 ON raid5 instead. So what do you mean by converting raid5 to raid5?
1376 [13:47:58] <SkyBird> yes, thanks backflow. I want to convert the ext4 to btrfs without data lost
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1379 [13:48:52] <SkyBird> my english is not that good and i was not smart enough to think about before i use my enter key :(
1380 [13:49:27] <blackflow> SkyBird: oh I see. i'm guessing you have mdadm raid5 there? anyway, it's impossible to change that online without backing data up, and reworking the array from btrfs itself, avoiding mdadm altogether. if that's hardware raid5, you can upgrade ext4 to btrfs (in theory, never did that). if you want to use btrfs' raid5 multidisk -- don't, it's broken. if you want to use btrfs atop of hw raid, you can
1381 [13:49:33] <blackflow> but... what's the point.
1382 [13:51:23] <blackflow> (okay, snapshotting, cow, etc... but no self-healing data checksummed blocks with HW raid)
1383 [13:51:28] <SkyBird> yes it's an software raid 5 and i want to convert it since openmediavault will support only btrfs as filesystem in future
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1385 [13:52:28] <blackflow> SkyBird: you can't. back up data, reinstall with btrfs. but... again... btrfs raid56 has had serious corruption bugs and I don't think those are fixed yet.
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1387 [13:53:01] <SkyBird> hm, ok that is what i googled before, too.
1388 [13:53:18] <SkyBird> damn 14 tb backups are anoying
1389 [13:53:48] <SkyBird> thanks a lot anyway^^
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1392 [13:54:43] <blackflow> SkyBird: well you _could_ do some online conversion with a help of a few additional disks, copying in chunks, but if you knew how to do that, you probably wouldn't be asking, and I'm _not_ comfortable helping you with that.
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1394 [13:55:36] <SkyBird> :) would be too dangerous anyway
1395 [13:55:59] <blackflow> yeah, without backups, I wouldn't dare unless I _really_ had no other option.
1396 [13:56:35] <SkyBird> i will just buy 2 10tb hdds and make an internal backup then
1397 [13:57:03] <annadane> ...if you find these magical hard drives please do let me know where to buy them
1398 [13:57:26] <blackflow> annadane: ? seagate and WD have them, I think they're helium based.
1399 [13:57:31] <SkyBird> 10 tb hard drives?
1400 [13:57:41] <annadane> i apparently don't know where to shop
1401 [13:57:43] <blackflow> ain't even SMR'd
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1403 [13:57:59] <SkyBird> replaced-url
1404 [13:58:14] <blackflow> genau
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1406 [14:00:00] <blackflow> 10TB are old news now, Seagate has 12TB ironwolves :)
1407 [14:00:14] <SkyBird> 24tb is also possible
1408 [14:00:25] <SkyBird> read about on golem
1409 [14:01:10] <blackflow> yeah but that _has_ to be SMR. I'll flip table if they aren't.
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1411 [14:01:43] <SkyBird> maybe :) anyway i'll leave now cya
1412 [14:01:54] <annadane> can people recommend newegg in terms of choice/quality?
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1415 [14:02:21] <blackflow> annadane: I often hear "get it on newegg", but I never did :)
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1417 [14:03:11] <p0g0_> newegg is the resurrected "Egghead Software", from the 1990s. They have been around a long time.
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1419 [14:03:58] <p0g0_> I have had declining but decent experiences with them since the 1990s, they are not as consumer oriented as they once were.
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1423 [14:05:44] <p0g0_> Branching out to more products, some sourced from dicey places, some with 'special' warranties and such- so, if it is computer hardware, they are likely a decent vendor, as long as they are the real seller, vs when they are listing someting being actually sold by some other agent.
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1425 [14:06:02] <p0g0_> Hope that helped.
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1431 [14:10:06] <monty86> wow newegg is still there?
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1439 [14:16:16] <aleksas> having debian 9.5 can't install both emacs25 and emacs25-common-non-dfsg so the info files will be available
1440 [14:16:20] <aleksas> have no info there
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1442 [14:16:45] <annadane> aleksas, what do you mean "can't install", emacs25-common-non-dfsg is in non-free so you need to add it to your sources list
1443 [14:17:05] <aleksas> I add non-free repository yes
1444 [14:17:24] <annadane> what does it say if you try installing it? paste.debian.net <-- paste there
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1446 [14:18:14] <annadane> or do they install successfully? not sure what is meant by info pages
1447 [14:18:23] <annadane> unless you mean "info", related to man
1448 [14:18:31] <aleksas> yes, but no info file there. in emacs there is documentations
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1450 [14:18:45] <aleksas> if I run emacs I got version without them
1451 [14:18:57] <siraben> What aleksas means is that "info emacs" doesn't show anything
1452 [14:19:00] <aleksas> annadane: replaced-url
1453 [14:19:08] <siraben> aleksas: Have you tried installing info?
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1455 [14:19:10] <annadane> no, pretty sure they mean they don't get the manual
1456 [14:19:21] <aleksas> no pretty sure I mean no info files
1457 [14:19:26] <aleksas> siraben: nope
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1459 [14:19:38] <siraben> The Emacs documentation should be available in Emacs through C-h i and info emacs
1460 [14:19:48] <aleksas> oh silly me
1461 [14:19:51] <siraben> If you have it installed, "info emacs" shows you the manual the same
1462 [14:19:53] <aleksas> info package wasn't installed
1463 [14:20:01] <aleksas> but didn't know about that
1464 [14:20:05] <annadane> oh actual info. ok.
1465 [14:20:09] <annadane> good.
1466 [14:20:10] <annadane> !next
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1468 [14:20:16] <aleksas> thank you siraben!
1469 [14:20:17] <annadane> aaaand the bot is still broken
1470 [14:20:17] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1471 [14:20:20] <aleksas> thank you annadane
1472 [14:20:27] <siraben> No problem aleksas
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1476 [14:20:49] <siraben> Maybe info should be added as a dependency to emacs25-common-non-dfsg
1477 [14:21:03] <aleksas> would be a good idea I guess
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1538 [14:58:18] <Lope> Okay, so I was successful in running and installing a windows VM as a non-root user with qemu:///session. But usermode networking is useless. So I've tried starting virt-manager as root. However I'm still getting permission denied. Really weird.
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1541 [15:00:48] <gregor2> I have entered the command "deluser --delete-all-files wireshark" as root and lots of things got written on stdout. What happened there? Help me!
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1559 [15:13:34] <Lope> summary of issue:
1560 [15:13:34] <Lope> If I use virt-manager on qemu:///session, it can run VM's with a virtual disk. If I use virt-manager with qemu:///system even though my user is a member of all groups: "kvm qemu libvirt libvirt-qemu" and I've logged out/in since joining groups and `chown bob:bob /tmp/test.img` (or whatever libvirt related groups). When using virt-manager on qemu:///system it cannot access any virtual disk. When I try start the VM on qemu:///system
1561 [15:13:34] <Lope> immediately the vdisk gets chowned to root:root, then gives error: "qemu-system-x86_64: -drive file=/tmp/test.img,format=qcow2,if=none,id=drive-ide0-0-0: Could not open '/tmp/test.img': Permission denied"
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1574 [15:22:30] <Lope> It works! disabled the security_driver in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf
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1581 [15:25:36] <bipul> I'm looking for conky source code for network related operations, anyone knows here?
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1603 [15:42:24] <RoyK> hi all. after a friends machine died (some partitioning issues) she wants to list all install packages, like "dpkg --get-selections" or similar, but then, how can one do this with another dpkg database from a restore?
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1607 [15:43:59] <themill> --admindir should work
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1609 [15:44:57] <themill> or --rootdir if you've got the entire filessytem image
1610 [15:44:58] <tradar> apt-mark showmanual lists manually installed packages
1611 [15:45:16] <tradar> the option -f /var/lib/apt/extended_states is the default source state
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1613 [15:46:11] <tradar> so that you can easily reinstall the packages you had installed before
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1707 [16:40:34] <rafalcpp> what package needs to be installed/configured so that tab completion in bash works better, e.g. completes names in apt-get inststall f<tab>
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1713 [16:41:24] <abrock> hi
1714 [16:41:31] <bites> rafalcpp: bash-completion
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1718 [16:42:17] <rafalcpp> bites: already installed
1719 [16:42:21] <abrock> I'm trying to burn an audio cd. I used k3b which did claim success and the CD contains the CD text and has the right length etc. but all playback is silent
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1723 [16:43:18] <rafalcpp> abrock: on a long shot, perhaps you went deaf?
1724 [16:43:30] <abrock> no, I just talked to my parents
1725 [16:43:39] <abrock> This is the k3b debug output: replaced-url
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1727 [16:44:22] <bites> rafalcpp: if you are running the command as root and not with sudo you probably need something like . /etc/bash_completion in root's .bashrc
1728 [16:44:31] <abrock> also the cuefile and wav file I used are fine, I successfully burned them on windows yesterday
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1731 [16:45:43] <abrock> I tried to burn it using wodim directly but wodim refuses to even start a simulation: replaced-url
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1733 [16:45:48] <rafalcpp> bites: k
1734 [16:45:57] <abrock> It tells me to use the -pad option but I already use it, no difference
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1745 [16:59:50] <abrock> I'm recreating the audio with all tracks aligned to CD frames
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1768 [17:18:58] <abrock> hm, now at least wodim stopped complaining about the track sizes
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1783 [17:28:15] <abrock> I thought maybe wodim refuses to pad the last track because the data is too long but that's not the case, I have a second CD project which is shorter than a normal CD and wodim still refuses to pad
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1827 [18:00:54] <mnuhmnuh> abrock: brasero has been a good replacement for wodim for me.
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1833 [18:03:33] <blackflow> wodim, brasero, cd burning, what year is this! ;)
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1839 [18:09:45] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: sometimes, a cd/dvd is good, sometimes a usbkey. it's good to have a choice.
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1843 [18:11:26] <mnuhmnuh> usbkeys are hardly adequate for long term backups.
1844 [18:11:36] <mspe-> I can't remember the last time I used an optical medium to boot!
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1846 [18:12:32] <blackflow> incredibly, so are CD/DVDs. I had a DVD archive that I wanted to copy over to my shiny new ZFS backup thingy and the silver oxide thingy turned to dust. I literally blew off the data as I opened the DVD cases.
1847 [18:13:00] <blackflow> it was a 10 or so year old archive, time in which I guess the atmosphere and chemistry did its thing.
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1856 [18:22:44] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: you should move. air that corrodes a dvd in a decade can kill you.
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1859 [18:24:43] <mnuhmnuh> i used a cd over and over again, reinstall after reinstall for about a decade; never failed. i lost it, but i've a copy on usbkey. :-) full circle.
1860 [18:25:05] <blackflow> I suppose these were just some cheap-o poor quality disks.
1861 [18:25:21] <mnuhmnuh> that is important.
1862 [18:25:38] <mnuhmnuh> some brands really suck.
1863 [18:26:00] <blackflow> But I even didn't know they could do that. "Oh my, what's this dust... *blows* oooh, is that... is that... that's teh data!"
1864 [18:26:52] <blackflow> they _were_ those blank, literally white label, no-name you get in huge batches.
1865 [18:26:56] <mnuhmnuh> they can't last forever; everything has a usable lifespan.
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1994 [19:50:56] <mnuhmnuh> abrock: i've never noticed it missing, or needed it?
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2020 [20:03:24] <hypn0> do people still use rewriters, usb sticks are easier
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2027 [20:08:03] <mnuhmnuh> hypn0: for long term backup media?
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2036 [20:10:58] <hypn0> my discs don't seem to last long either :-)
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2038 [20:12:24] <coruja> best long term backup media are probably inscripted blocks of stone
2039 [20:12:40] <mnuhmnuh> buy better quality disks. even "good brand" companies re-brand crap they buy from others. sony?
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2041 [20:13:16] <hypn0> no, just cheap discs :-) maybe
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2043 [20:13:47] <hypn0> imation :-)
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2047 [20:15:22] <madwax> coruja, yeah... or atleast lets engrave some metal plates with the data?
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2050 [20:15:57] <madwax> might be easier to move around
2051 [20:16:05] <mnuhmnuh> ah, the sun's going red giant any day now, so all bets are off.
2052 [20:16:28] <madwax> thats why we need to volunteer to go to mars ASAP.
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2054 [20:18:20] <madwax> wait, is mars far away enough?
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2056 [20:19:01] <madwax> mnuhmnuh: i've never been able to figure out which are better quality... any tips?
2057 [20:19:36] <madwax> as you said, even the 'premium' brands can be repackaged low quality stuff.
2058 [20:20:04] <mnuhmnuh> madwax: i'm using memorex dvd-r i bought on sale. no problems yet.
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2060 [20:21:01] <mnuhmnuh> then again cheap disk or cheap drive? i've burned disks that can't be read by other drives.
2061 [20:23:16] <Malinux> I re-installed debian and login screen is still lightdm and I want gdm3 and gnome-shell. I installed gnome-shell package
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2063 [20:24:45] <bites> Malinux: dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
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2067 [20:31:27] <foxtrotas004> alexas, i am also interested in debian 9 , up to date openvpn setup tutorial, tried to make it run on centos7 with no success yet, although i do not like centos that much, debian would be my choice, but it seems there is no up to date simple to follow tutorial, i guess i will have to crack officiall documentation and spent much more time to figure how to make it all work
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2071 [20:34:12] <mnuhmnuh> replaced-url
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2073 [20:34:42] <mnuhmnuh> i've not seen it; just mentioning it.
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2094 [20:47:24] <mnuhmnuh> also "replaced-url
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2115 [21:03:31] <foxtrotas004> mnuhmnuh, thanks, i also always find official documentation to be most accurate, but those short digital ocean type tutorials sometimes saves a lot of time, i guess alexas was talking about something like that
2116 [21:03:38] <foxtrotas004> also nixcraft provides some cool tutorials
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2118 [21:04:04] <Malinux> bites: thanx. however. I don't get any login screen when I choose gdm3
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2121 [21:05:31] <mnuhmnuh> foxtrotas004: w.d.o is official, but all user supported, so quality varies, stuff gets out of date or is irrelevant or plain wrong. trust, but verify.
2122 [21:06:40] <ntd> is debian getting their grub signed fo secure boot anytime soon?
2123 [21:07:15] <mnuhmnuh> no thanks.
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2129 [21:09:03] * mnuhmnuh "boot virus? where's my installer usbkey?" hmph.
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2131 [21:09:23] <ntd> mnuhmnuh, was that for me?
2132 [21:09:42] <mnuhmnuh> and me.
2133 [21:10:24] <annadane> and me!
2134 [21:10:29] <annadane> wait no, that's silly
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2178 [21:39:55] <almadura> guys is there any ootb solution for adding ip rule fwmark persistently?
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2188 [21:46:51] <rant> ,bug 820036
2189 [21:46:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2191 [21:47:14] <rant> ntd: ^^
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2193 [21:47:31] <rant> see all blocking bugs
2194 [21:47:32] <ntd> nice
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2198 [21:49:41] <ntd> actually, msft fucked up with re to secure boot
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2200 [21:50:16] <ntd> you can actually get any bootloader "cross-signed"/valid per the msft signing cert
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2202 [21:50:48] <ntd> and msft can't do squat about it save for deprecating support for every single mobo <2017
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2206 [21:51:42] <crackpotmark> they are trying hard to do that
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2209 [21:51:45] <mnuhmnuh> s.n.a.f.u.
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2213 [21:52:02] <crackpotmark> windows 7 on new mobo gets a regular annoying popup about unsupported hardware
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2218 [21:55:03] <mnuhmnuh> the worst side of being a techie geek for corporates: you gotta use their win* to fit in; their vpn, lotus notes, ...
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2230 [21:59:10] <crackpotmark> XD
2231 [21:59:17] <crackpotmark> the whole lotus suite
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2236 [21:59:56] <mnuhmnuh> horrible pos.
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2253 [22:06:36] <mspe-> once you dive into gnu/linux distros, it's really painful to use windows at work
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2258 [22:09:04] <mnuhmnuh> no, it was painful to use win* long before i found linux.
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2261 [22:09:57] <mnuhmnuh> never found *anything* helpful in a win* help file.
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2301 [22:27:20] <danielh1234> Am I the only one getting "Hash Sum mismatch" for replaced-url
2302 [22:27:40] <almadura> you're only one
2303 [22:28:24] <annadane> almadura, not helpful
2304 [22:28:25] <danielh1234> Thanks, any ideas for fixing it apart from `rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*` which did not work?
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2306 [22:28:44] <danielh1234> It is if he tried it and got the correct file.
2307 [22:28:44] <almadura> annadane, neigher you
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2310 [22:29:42] <mnuhmnuh> danielh1234: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? use deb.debian.org and security.d.o, and let debian's dns magic figure it out.
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2313 [22:30:51] <danielh1234> mnuhmnuh: replaced-url
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2318 [22:32:15] <coruja> maybe the opposite, using a near mirror explicitly, is worth a try
2319 [22:32:18] <mnuhmnuh> i wonder which is right. i have deb replaced-url
2320 [22:32:41] <mnuhmnuh> other than that we're the same.
2321 [22:32:43] <annadane> anyway, you're missing stretch-updates
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2324 [22:33:16] <mnuhmnuh> deb replaced-url
2325 [22:33:43] <mnuhmnuh> and deb replaced-url
2326 [22:33:54] <mnuhmnuh> if you want it.
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2333 [22:36:26] <danielh1234> Thanks for -updates, totally missed it. It is optional as I understand it though, right? And I already have backports. The real problem is replaced-url
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2347 [22:44:27] <danielh1234> Ugh, turns out I still had apt-cacher-ng in between which probably served the cached wrong file again and again... sorry
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2349 [22:45:12] <mnuhmnuh> reportbug! :-)
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2354 [22:45:39] <mnuhmnuh> !reportbug
2355 [22:45:39] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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2361 [22:47:23] <danielh1234> Yes, I should look into it and try to reproduce it. Not sure if it is a bug in acng though. Might be temporary mirror malfunction or local disk, right?
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2370 [22:53:05] <mnuhmnuh> software should not be tripping over each other, or tripping each other up, fighting for domination. they should know their assigned space, and be welcome there. acng got in the way; why?
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2375 [22:55:07] <mnuhmnuh> i don't know acng. are you expected to update its operation manually (apt-cache-ng update)?
2376 [22:55:28] <danielh1234> I am not sure acng fought for domination. I guess it got a bad file or the stored file got corrupted somehow and normally there is no reason to redownload files from a mirror.
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2379 [22:56:05] <mnuhmnuh> glad you solved it.
2380 [22:56:29] <danielh1234> No, it caches some file only for a short amount of time and assumes that files that normally do not change on a mirror did not change.
2381 [22:57:14] <mnuhmnuh> reasonable.
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2441 [23:35:58] <SPTRAL> Hola
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2443 [23:37:38] <annadane> !es
2444 [23:37:43] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2446 [23:38:31] <SPTRAL> Thanks
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2454 [23:44:15] <lilith93> Hi, is there a new kernel for Debian stretch? I made an update and it offers me 4.9.0-7-amd64
2455 [23:44:53] <lilith93> But it was not installed. Should I make a dist-upgrade?
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2458 [23:46:55] <annadane> lilith93, yes
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2460 [23:47:28] <lilith93> annadane: ok .. thanks!
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