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108 [01:13:12] <notreal> what is the difference between firmware-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso vs debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso ?
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113 [01:19:29] <klys> notreal, the firmware one is more likely to work with your wifi
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117 [01:21:15] <notreal-> many thanks
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142 [01:40:25] <mnuhmnuh> anyone have anything to say about pekwm? never heard of it before. appears lightweight.
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215 [02:06:53] <michael2> does debian have any wiki or explanation on how to install sqlite?
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439 [02:23:40] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: wiki.debian.org
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442 [02:24:40] <michael2> there doesn't seem to be a wiki entry
443 [02:24:42] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: sqlite is very easy to install and get up and working.
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446 [02:25:43] <michael2> how do you list tables ?
447 [02:26:11] <michael2> nvm, its .tables
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451 [02:35:01] <michael2> has anyone contributed to the debian wiki? is the process difficult?
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457 [02:39:24] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: i do all the time. _lots_ of it is out of date and plain wrong, but lots remains that's useful. all volunteer effort.
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459 [02:40:21] <michael2> mnuhmnuh: is it easy? is the documentation that explains how the process work?
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462 [02:41:05] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: no, it's not at all difficult. find, or create, a page, click edit, and instructions on wiki syntax is right there.
463 [02:41:07] <michael2> sorry, I meant is *there* documentation that explains how the process work?
464 [02:41:29] <michael2> do you need access rights?
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466 [02:42:03] <mnuhmnuh> yes, all wikis have intro stuff embedded.
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468 [02:42:38] <mnuhmnuh> username and pword. verified by email.
469 [02:44:16] <michael2> cool :) so once you get an account, if you want to edit or create a page, you just login, and make your changes?
470 [02:44:29] <mnuhmnuh> yup.
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472 [02:45:55] <mnuhmnuh> i just read one this am re debian-edu & buster. debian-edu's looking pretty slick.
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474 [02:47:14] <michael2> which one? I am just found this: replaced-url
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479 [02:51:35] <mnuhmnuh> replaced-url
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482 [02:51:53] <mnuhmnuh> really nicely done.
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488 [02:53:31] <OS-37397> exit
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495 [02:56:36] <CarlFK> install to an ssd /dev/nvme0n1 - when it reboots "insert boot media" I have a minimal installer on a thumb drive - how do I get to a prompt so I can try installing grub?
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501 [02:57:23] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: btw, if you allow your browser to store cookies, you can stay logged into the wiki, even over re-boots. the wiki will remember you're logged in.
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504 [02:58:35] <michael2> you will have no choice but to allow cookie - if you want to login
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506 [02:59:12] <mnuhmnuh> CarlFK: i have to hit ESC key to bring up boot device menu at boot time, to select usbkey.
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515 [02:59:54] <mnuhmnuh> CarlFK: 10 y. old hp tower.
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522 [03:00:43] <CarlFK> mnuhmnuh: I can boot from the stick, but it launchs the installer - I need to append someting like: rescue=true
523 [03:01:21] <mnuhmnuh> CarlFK: try debian live?
524 [03:01:40] <CarlFK> I don't have that handy
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527 [03:02:09] <mnuhmnuh> can you alt-N and get to a cli?
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532 [03:02:57] <johnfg_> hi folks
533 [03:03:23] <rarity_> Hi
534 [03:03:41] <johnfg_> I'm still logged onto a machine at the office. The history on that login isn't showing up from my remote login. How can I read that history?
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536 [03:04:06] <rarity_> Just shutdown my system accidentally with a command. Now I know what the command: init 0 does. haha
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539 [03:04:38] <rarity_> Which history johnfg_?
540 [03:05:17] <mnuhmnuh> rarity_: and from single-user mode, init N will take the box up into that level.
541 [03:05:52] <mnuhmnuh> johnfg_: journalctl?
542 [03:06:18] <rarity_> SSH login history?
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544 [03:06:46] <johnfg_> mnuhmnuh: That might do it, I'll try.
545 [03:07:04] <CarlFK> im guessing bash history
546 [03:07:20] <rarity_> Yeah wasn't explained clearly
547 [03:08:07] <mnuhmnuh> history of the login creation or history of what's been done in it?
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609 [03:53:39] <dka> I have issue when I do apt-get update from inside a docker container
610 [03:53:44] <dka> W: GPG error: replaced-url
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620 [03:58:59] <KNERD> dka: sounds like a docker issue, maybe
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631 [04:06:59] <KNERD> dka: you may want to ask them about the key
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633 [04:08:46] <dka> ok
634 [04:08:56] <dka> I have docker rm -fr / and it got sovled
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638 [04:09:29] <michael2> I thought with docker you preloaded keys at the time you instantiated the docker container?
639 [04:12:50] <KNERD> i never messed with docker, so I am not sure
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806 [06:21:51] <buu> Can someone explain why installing replaced-url
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812 [06:24:39] <ChmEarl> buu, --no-install-recommends can block qemu-utils install
813 [06:25:04] <ChmEarl> ^^ qemu pulls in wayland?
814 [06:25:11] <buu> Oh, wow
815 [06:25:27] <buu> ChmEarl: I thought the point of recommends was to be optional..
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817 [06:25:42] <buu> ChmEarl: I assume it's virt-viewer
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819 [06:26:07] <buu> What's the difference between recommended and suggested?
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829 [06:44:04] <Raybih> Mormons also believe that there are other gods and goddesses outside the Godhead, such as a Heavenly Mother who is the wife of God the Father, and that faithful Mormons may attain godhood in the afterlife. Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other
830 [06:44:06] <Raybih> tongues.
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837 [06:50:28] <buu> In the debian install via serial console
838 [06:50:33] <buu> How do you access the other pages?
839 [06:50:40] <buu> [ (1*installer) 2 shell 3 shell 4- log ][ Jul 20 4:50 ]
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866 [07:15:34] <ozzloy> is there a vanilla choice on debian 9 between apt apt-get aptitude?
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869 [07:16:30] <rant> buu: no experience with it but I doubt thats possible, if it were chvt command would prob be the only way
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871 [07:17:02] <rant> buu: serial terminals are not virtual terminals so you prob can't switch without something like screen
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873 [07:19:27] <rant> !d-i
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875 [07:19:35] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the "stable" Debian release. See replaced-url
876 [07:19:59] <rant> maybe try that installer support channel
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879 [07:20:34] <rant> ozzloy: apt and apt-get should be installed use/install whatever you like
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883 [07:22:05] <ozzloy> i want to use whatever is the most supported, i guess. so far i haven't found a difference between them in my direct use, so i want to use whichever one has the most eyes on it
884 [07:22:24] <rant> all of them are well supported
885 [07:22:42] <ozzloy> k, i won't worry about it then. thanks rant
886 [07:22:50] <rant> and they're all different
887 [07:23:08] <ozzloy> yeah, i figured they're all different
888 [07:23:13] <rant> aptitude has more advanced searching, conflict resolution and an interactive browser
889 [07:23:34] <rant> apt has sorting of output, auto-install recommends...etc
890 [07:23:43] <ozzloy> but as far as i've used them, they're close enough that i don't see a clear winner
891 [07:23:45] <rant> apt-get and apt-cache is the most legacy/vanilla
892 [07:23:55] <rant> apt incorporates apt-cache
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894 [07:24:21] <ozzloy> kk
895 [07:24:44] <ozzloy> how about sudo vs su, is one of those the "won't get fired for choosing that one" option?
896 [07:25:14] <ayekat> AFAIK apt-get/apt-cache is guaranteed not to change the interface, so it can be used for scripts, whereas apt is meant to be more "interactive-friendly"
897 [07:25:15] <rant> su just changes user on a shell, sudo is more advanced, can have specific policies and such
898 [07:25:28] <ozzloy> actually, never mind, i have noticed a difference between them and i prefer sudo
899 [07:25:38] <ozzloy> cool
900 [07:25:45] <rant> sometimes they're used in combination
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902 [07:25:53] <rant> like when root account is disabled
903 [07:25:56] <ayekat> it's different things, there is no real A vs B with sudo/su, though
904 [07:26:17] <rant> theyre all different things or there wouldnt be different commands :P
905 [07:26:40] <ozzloy> i'm writing a script, and on some lines i could either do su -c command -m user, or sudo -u user command
906 [07:26:46] <rant> we could do this all day dd/rsync/cp/mv .. etc
907 [07:26:58] <ayekat> well, sometimes you get half a dozen netcat implementations, but yeah, otherwise you're right, I guess ^^
908 [07:27:42] <ozzloy> one last thing, toilet paper rolls top towards user, or bottom towards user?
909 [07:27:49] <ozzloy> which one is best, and why?
910 [07:27:51] <rant> su will always require the password of user who you're suing to and will fail if that user has no password or account is disabled unless it's root doing the suing
911 [07:28:03] <rant> sudo however can be configured to work any number of ways
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914 [07:28:21] <rant> and its up to the user how they configure their sudo
915 [07:28:34] <rant> thas why most howtos say sudo
916 [07:28:48] <ozzloy> rant, but what about the toilet paper rolling direction?
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918 [07:29:03] <rant> cause it has site-specific config that is customizable
919 [07:29:06] <ozzloy> i've chosen sudo
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921 [07:29:20] <rant> tp depends on if you have cats or not I guess
922 [07:29:50] <ayekat> ozzloy: replaced-url
923 [07:30:27] <ozzloy> oh, that's interesting! cats would have more trouble with one direction
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926 [07:30:43] <ozzloy> i didn't think there was an actual answer
927 [07:31:02] <ozzloy> ayekat, lol, yeah, that's a good one
928 [07:31:27] <ozzloy> i have a housemate who often gets a second roll and puts it on top of the first one
929 [07:31:42] <ozzloy> before the one that's in the thing is out
930 [07:32:04] <ozzloy> he doesn't talk much
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932 [07:32:28] <ozzloy> i barely even see him. so i haven't had a chance to ask "wtf?"
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966 [07:51:21] <ujjain> E: Package 'openjdk-8-jdk' has no installation candidate - Jessie. What does this maen?
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972 [07:52:05] <michael2> it means its not in your index
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1000 [08:13:47] <zentris> Still can't make an account on wiki.debian.org, getting Account creation failed, To prevent spam..sent an email to wiki@debian.org with no response so far
1001 [08:14:04] <zentris> Was hoping to submit a theme on Call for proposals for buster
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1028 [08:48:03] <gkwhc> anyone familar with systemd unit files? im trying to run powertop automatically on boot, with a few extra post commands. however the post commands dont seem to be executing at all :/
1029 [08:48:44] <michael2> did you try starting the unit manually?
1030 [08:49:53] <gkwhc> michael2: yep stop start and also reload
1031 [08:50:08] <michael2> what does log say?
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1034 [08:51:11] <gkwhc> michael2: all executed with code 0 success
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1036 [08:52:14] <gkwhc> michael2: perhaps im missing something? replaced-url
1037 [08:52:14] <michael2> so the commands are only failing on system boot?
1038 [08:52:39] <gkwhc> first two execstartposts have no effect
1039 [08:52:46] <gkwhc> but the third executes fine
1040 [08:52:54] <michael2> yeah, you can't use shell syntax
1041 [08:53:05] <gkwhc> ?
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1043 [08:53:29] <michael2> this:
1044 [08:53:36] <michael2> /bin/echo 'on' > '/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.5/power/control'
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1046 [08:53:43] <michael2> is invalid
1047 [08:53:50] <gkwhc> oh
1048 [08:54:06] <michael2> not sure why the 2nd one is failing though
1049 [08:55:00] <gkwhc> so if the first is invalid, how should one go about it?
1050 [08:55:03] <michael2> can you change the 2nd ExecStartPost to this:
1051 [08:56:05] <michael2> ExecStartPost=/bin/bash -c "/bin/echo on > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.5/power/control"
1052 [08:57:26] <michael2> as for the 2nd command: maybe just try it in a shell - does it work there?
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1054 [08:58:21] <gkwhc> cool, i'll try the first one. and with regards to the 2nd, yes it works in a shell
1055 [08:59:12] <michael2> you'll have to reload the service - systemctl daemon-reload
1056 [08:59:19] <michael2> too
1057 [08:59:33] <michael2> you probably knew that
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1059 [08:59:55] <gkwhc> yep ive reloaded and restarted
1060 [09:00:23] <gkwhc> unfortunately the echo command didnt have an effect
1061 [09:00:29] <gkwhc> not sure if its because of powertop
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1064 [09:01:04] <klys> it's not in a shell? you probably need sh -c to handle >
1065 [09:01:44] <klys> are you using sh -c ?
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1069 [09:02:34] <gkwhc> bash
1070 [09:02:54] <michael2> should work with either
1071 [09:02:55] <klys> and the > is in quotes, right?
1072 [09:03:09] <gkwhc> interestingly, i created a custom script and pput the execstart as well as post commands in it. and everything went through :/
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1076 [09:05:22] <gkwhc> doesnt make any sense
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1085 [09:09:07] <gkwhc> thanks for the help tho! gonna reboot to double check
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1089 [09:09:53] <michael2> cool
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1151 [09:33:07] <webchatter> Hi, newbie here.
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1160 [09:34:41] <webchatter> I use Veracrypt on Debian. However, I don't think it is a Veracrypt question, so I post it here. After entering the passphrase for the Veracrypt container it mounts and in Dolphin it shows on the left under "Devices" as 4GB HD.
1161 [09:35:05] <webchatter> Is it possible to give it a name like "work", "files", "personal", etc.?
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1163 [09:35:51] <webchatter> Especially when making backups I often get confused with the disks.
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1170 [09:37:39] <michael2> usually you can
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1172 [09:38:33] <webchatter> What dio I do?
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1176 [09:40:11] <michael2> I think you need to apply a label - possibly to the partition?
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1179 [09:40:23] <michael2> or the filesystem?
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1183 [09:43:57] <webchatter> If you are asking me ... I don't know.
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1187 [09:45:37] <d3vnull> in dolphin right click a label like places do an add entry, browse to it, and label it
1188 [09:46:15] <michael2> or you could try:
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1190 [09:46:47] <michael2> sudo e2label /dev/sdX "LABEL_NAME" -> where X is your partition id
1191 [09:47:05] <michael2> not sure if you need to be unmounted
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1205 [09:50:27] <GarethTheGreat> hi all
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1207 [09:50:55] <GarethTheGreat> i'm pondering getting a package into debian, any devs around to answer some questions?
1208 [09:52:27] <GarethTheGreat> basically it's a programming language (a lisp interpreter) that depends upon libjit, but libjit doesn't appear to have an existing debian package
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1210 [09:52:47] <GarethTheGreat> so i'm wondering if i'd first have to get libjit packaged, or if i can "cheat" by rolling it into my own package
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1218 [09:55:25] <webchatter> dv3null: But if I have more than one disk it will not work. The one mounted on slot1 will then always receive the name of that entry, won't it?
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1220 [09:56:05] <GarethTheGreat> anyone happen to know?
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1229 [09:58:21] <COOurb> I have this error while booting
1230 [09:58:21] <COOurb> ACPI error: Method parse/execution failed [\_sb.pci0.vga.atcS]
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1232 [09:58:53] <COOurb> it appears after several reboots after installing AMD firmware for radeon
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1238 [10:00:32] <webchatter> I have found the solution: replaced-url
1239 [10:00:47] <webchatter> sudo e2label /dev/mapper/veracrypt1 "mydiskname" worked for me
1240 [10:01:01] <webchatter> Thx anyway for the help.
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1257 [10:09:50] <COOurb> shet, it just doesn't show gdm
1258 [10:11:05] <COOurb> in tty1
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1263 [10:17:25] <COOurb> gdm ruined
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1265 [10:17:50] <COOurb> How to change "greeting screen window manager"?
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1275 [10:21:46] <rant> say wha now?
1276 [10:22:00] <rant> you mean you want to use a different display manager?
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1279 [10:22:20] <rant> ah nm, guess they left
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1282 [10:22:48] <COOurb> I dunno how, but it can't launch
1283 [10:23:02] <COOurb> so i have to switch to tty2 and run startx
1284 [10:23:22] <rant> COOurb: so the graphical login is not showing up but it works when you startx?
1285 [10:23:39] <COOurb> yep, after I login via tty
1286 [10:23:48] <COOurb> just errors from booting
1287 [10:23:55] <COOurb> so tty1 disabled for input
1288 [10:24:06] <rant> COOurb: and you know that you're using gdm3? and that you dont have any other display managers installed?
1289 [10:24:42] <COOurb> I installed debian months ago and i dunno what i did, but it has window with your name and you only have to type password.
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1291 [10:24:54] <COOurb> but now i should tye both login and password
1292 [10:25:08] <rant> it'd be a little strange if it has a window with MY name :P
1293 [10:25:10] <COOurb> I installed in and in fckedup
1294 [10:25:49] <rant> I am unable to parse your last comment about "in"
1295 [10:25:51] <COOurb> after installing gdm a windows appeared with listbox: lightdm and gdm3
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1297 [10:25:58] <rant> right..
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1299 [10:26:13] <rant> because you have two window managers and it wanted you to choose which one to use
1300 [10:26:19] <COOurb> how can i call this window again?
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1302 [10:26:24] <rant> erm Display Managers rather
1303 [10:26:28] <COOurb> yeah, where I can manage it?
1304 [10:26:37] <rant> you want to go back to using lightdm?
1305 [10:26:51] <COOurb> I wanna have control over this stuff (for future)
1306 [10:27:03] <COOurb> I get to know why gdm doesn't work
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1309 [10:28:17] <rant> ok well there are two ways to do this, one is to use systemd to manage the services for gdm/lightdm thats the manual way, the other way is to bring back up that screen you mentioned by doing something like dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
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1311 [10:28:36] <rant> or gdm3 for that matter.. either will display that choice
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1313 [10:29:14] <rant> as for finding out why gdm3 is failing, you would locate the gdm3 log, and I haven't used it in a long time but its probably in someplace like /var/log/gdm3/
1314 [10:29:14] <COOurb> it runs in CLI
1315 [10:29:15] <COOurb> wtd
1316 [10:29:17] <COOurb> wtdf
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1318 [10:29:53] <rant> if you locate and upload that log to paste.debian.net I may be able to assist you in figuring this out
1319 [10:30:02] <COOurb> k
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1322 [10:30:27] <Something1> gdm3 runs in wayland by default, lightdm in xorg. You can disable gdm3´s wayland mode to make nvidia like it better.
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1324 [10:30:47] <rant> heh. Thats good to know, thank you Something1
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1326 [10:31:04] <rant> I haven't used gdm in ages.. I wasn't aware of this
1327 [10:31:07] <COOurb> so lightdm doesn't have option to choose about window manager
1328 [10:31:21] <rant> lightdm can choose your session, yes
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1330 [10:31:29] <COOurb> video: integrated in CPU AMD
1331 [10:31:55] <COOurb> I mean, KDE, gnoe or xfce
1332 [10:31:56] <Something1> You can disable wayland in gdm3 by editing /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf in Debian. I think /etc/gdm/custom.conf for other distros
1333 [10:31:59] <rant> there are few DMs which do not have a session menu.. and they still have the ability to choose just need to be done via conigs
1334 [10:32:12] <COOurb> hah
1335 [10:32:16] <COOurb> what a world
1336 [10:32:31] <Something1> COOurb, it´s in the top right for lightdm iirc
1337 [10:32:31] <rant> COOurb: yes those are called Desktop Environments (DE) but in the context of your DM its called a session
1338 [10:32:58] <rant> you can choose your session type from lightdm, as Something1 says, its in the top right typically
1339 [10:33:12] <rant> it won't ASK you have to specify BEFORE logging in
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1341 [10:33:56] <COOurb> yeah, I already changed it back to lightDM and it works (i.e. doesn't stuck on boot errors)
1342 [10:36:09] <rant> COOurb: well based on what Something1 has said... we now have to X servers in Debian, wayland and xorg, and apparently gdm3 is deault configured to use wayland not xorg which is probably the problem
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1345 [10:37:42] <COOurb> All I know about wayland is that it is part of name of the company from Aliens
1346 [10:38:35] <rant> thats more than I know about it, other than its designed to address securiy concerns in X and will likely be a pain in my ass in future releases if we dump xorg
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1348 [10:39:06] <COOurb> also, how to make colored interface for root?
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1350 [10:39:12] <COOurb> Like other regular users
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1352 [10:39:28] <rant> colored interface? you mean like colored ls output?
1353 [10:39:34] <COOurb> yep
1354 [10:39:42] <COOurb> directories is blue
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1356 [10:40:06] <rant> iirc thats an alias on ls and I wasn't aware it wasn't conigured for root
1357 [10:41:53] <rant> no I seem to be wrong about it being an alias
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1359 [10:42:04] <COOurb> so, not ls
1360 [10:42:22] <COOurb> or it's just terminal application stuff?
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1364 [10:42:41] <rant> COOurb: replaced-url
1365 [10:43:07] <rant> apparenly its an env var
1366 [10:43:16] <rant> I thought it was an alias
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1373 [10:47:48] <COOurb> same stuff with gdm
1374 [10:47:56] <COOurb> even with wayland=falce
1375 [10:48:09] <COOurb> yeah, ir druns after startx
1376 [10:48:11] <rant> false is spelled with an s
1377 [10:48:13] <COOurb> but before it - same
1378 [10:48:26] <COOurb> well, I just uncommented string
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1380 [10:48:45] <rant> I still say you should examine the log
1381 [10:48:47] <Something1> Yes that´s the right thing to do to disable wayland
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1383 [10:48:56] <Something1> But the colours shouldn´t depend on display managers?
1384 [10:49:42] <COOurb> no, I'm not talking about colors
1385 [10:49:47] <COOurb> different things
1386 [10:49:49] <rant> I dont think there was any such implication.. just working on two diff issues
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1388 [10:50:17] <Something1> Ah then I lost thread
1389 [10:50:17] <rant> we have a multi-tasker here :P
1390 [10:50:44] <rant> now that they learned to switch DMs they're trying to debug gdm
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1393 [10:51:14] <rant> and the gdm log is the best place to start
1394 [10:51:44] <rant> the log path would prob be in that config file somewhere
1395 [10:52:06] <rant> last I used it, it kept its logs in its own dir
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1399 [10:52:44] <rant> I typically use lightdm and nodm these days..
1400 [10:52:51] <Something1> It doesn´t activate at all? Then switch tty and ´systemctl status gdm´ or gdm3, can´t remember
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1402 [10:53:11] <rant> ,i gdm3
1403 [10:53:13] <judd> Package gdm3 (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME Display Manager. Version: 3.22.3-3+deb9u1; Size: 653.8k; Installed: 4648k; Screenshot: replaced-url
1404 [10:53:23] <rant> apparently its still called gdm3
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1407 [10:54:46] <rant> having just scarfed down almost half a dozen keto muffins, I feel a nap coming on :P
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1428 [11:02:31] <COOurb> I didn't have gnome istalled. Could it be the reason of such behavior?
1429 [11:02:38] <COOurb> installed*
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1438 [11:08:29] <rant> gdm doesnt require gnome
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1443 [11:09:49] <Unit193> Only works with gnome-shell, afaik. So sort of.
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1459 [11:15:41] <rant> thats news to me.. but wouldnt really surprise me.. gnome has become a royal crapfest
1460 [11:16:32] <rant> they need a f'n project lead to get all their devs on the same page.. even GTK3 is total crap
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1463 [11:17:11] <rant> and maybe some carlin style motivation.. (beat with a golf club)
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1467 [11:18:13] <COOurb> YES
1468 [11:18:17] <COOurb> It requires gnome
1469 [11:18:18] <COOurb> damn
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1471 [11:18:49] <COOurb> -6 hours of my life
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1473 [11:19:02] <COOurb> -power led on PC case
1474 [11:19:09] <COOurb> +knowledge
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1483 [11:24:08] <rant> I'm not even gonna wonder wtf they tied their DM to their crapfest DE
1484 [11:24:31] <rant> thats just the kind of stupid crap they been doing these days
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1486 [11:24:52] <rant> you know what you call 20 GNOME devs at the bottom of a lake?
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1488 [11:25:30] <rant> a good start.
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1494 [11:28:07] <rant> their abuse of GTK is especially ignorant because so many things use it, that you're stuck dealing with their crappy code choices even if you dont use their apps
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1500 [11:30:53] <buttholebasher> anyone here running Kali?
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1502 [11:31:02] <annadane> !kali
1503 [11:31:10] <rant> if they are, they should /part
1504 [11:31:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1505 [11:31:20] <buttholebasher> Yeah we know?
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1507 [11:31:40] <annadane> not supported in here, go ask there
1508 [11:31:50] <buttholebasher> Anyone ELSE running Kali?
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1510 [11:32:48] <rant> dondelelcaro: dpkg has apparently been flooding itself off the network and is lagging, fyi
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1512 [11:33:41] <rant> buttholebasher: if you're looking to be banned you're off to an excellent start
1513 [11:33:54] <buttholebasher> banned? uh oh
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1515 [11:33:58] <buttholebasher> IRC channel is dead AF
1516 [11:34:01] <buttholebasher> please ban me?
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1520 [11:34:20] <iflema> heh
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1524 [11:35:44] <babilen> butthole basher: This is a technical support channel for Debian. Whatever the problem is you are trying to solve is, by nature of you not running Debian, off-topic here. #kali-linux is probably a much better place
1525 [11:36:24] <rant> and not to beat a silent horse.. but polling usage is not a good way to get help anywhere
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1699 [12:44:38] <bipul> I would like to install this IcedTea OpenJDK1.8.0.111+ in my Debian, But i'm not sure where to start?
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1702 [12:45:38] <babilen> judd: i icedtea-plugin
1703 [12:45:39] <judd> Package icedtea-plugin (web, extra) in stretch/amd64: web browser plugin to execute Java applets (dependency package). Version: 1.6.2-3.1; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 19k; Homepage: replaced-url
1704 [12:45:43] <babilen> bipul: ^ maybe ?
1705 [12:45:53] <annadane> if that even works with firefox-esr in stretch
1706 [12:46:06] <annadane> i seem to recall some caveat
1707 [12:46:17] <babilen> I've been quite successful in avoiding java plugins for the last couple of years
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1709 [12:46:44] <babilen> Installing the icedtea-plugin package feels like a sensible start point though
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1711 [12:47:13] <bipul> babilen, IcedTea OpenJDK 1.8.0.111+ is a plugins?
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1713 [12:47:48] <babilen> Isn't icedtea the Java browser plugin?
1714 [12:47:54] <jelly> bipul, are you looking for JDK or what?
1715 [12:48:07] <jelly> what functionality do you want
1716 [12:48:08] <babilen> I mean .. what are you after?
1717 [12:48:16] <babilen> What are you trying to achieve?
1718 [12:48:59] <bipul> I'm trying to install ELK on Debian. And this link says replaced-url
1719 [12:49:15] <babilen> Right .. so you want a JRE
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1721 [12:49:29] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jre
1722 [12:49:30] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch: 8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports: 8u171-b11-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u171-b11-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u171-b11-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u171-b11-2; sid: 8u171-b11-2
1723 [12:49:36] <jelly> that'd be it
1724 [12:49:55] <jelly> unless you want a full jdk, then openjdk-8-jdk
1725 [12:50:11] <bipul> JRE? stands for? What i know i'm looking for JVM
1726 [12:50:17] <babilen> java runtime environment
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1728 [12:50:40] <babilen> JVM is "java virtual machine" (provided by JRE)
1729 [12:50:57] <bipul> Okay thank's
1730 [12:51:09] <babilen> JDK is "java development kit" which is what you want if you want to develop in Java
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1732 [12:51:36] <jelly> jre package does not bring tools useful when running apps or servlet engines
1733 [12:51:39] <bipul> As per the link it says I need to download IcedTea OpenJDK 1.8.0.111+
1734 [12:51:43] <babilen> IIRC the ELK packages from upstream define correct dependencies
1735 [12:52:33] <annadane> i actually think icedtea-plugin MAY still work, but will stop with ESR 60
1736 [12:52:44] <annadane> but, yeah, i don't use it now
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1739 [12:53:36] <bipul> I'm still not aware what i need to install
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1741 [12:54:37] <jelly> try installing just the jre package and see if things work
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1749 [12:56:44] <mindaugas_> Hello, Today I encountered strange behaviour while trying to add new keyboard language layout on debian 9.4 using gnome, when i press a plus sign (+) to add new layout, nothing happens, window just dissappears, i have not able to find anything like that on google, did anyone had this problem?
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1753 [12:57:40] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, how are you adding them?
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1755 [12:58:35] <mindaugas_> on gnome desktop environgment , i search for region and language settings
1756 [12:58:40] <mindaugas_> then i press + to add language layout
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1758 [12:58:59] <mindaugas_> then window just exits, without any error, nothing, just dissappears
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1760 [12:59:21] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: Try running the program in a terminal, and then see if there's any output. I'm guessing a stack trace of some sort coming out.
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1764 [13:00:27] <mindaugas_> petn-randall, maybe you know which command can run region settings?
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1767 [13:01:24] <mindaugas_> all i find on google, is about locale, not about keyboard layout :/
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1769 [13:01:59] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: I don't use gnome, but I'll guess it's gnome-<tab><tab> something.
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1776 [13:05:15] <mindaugas_> i found gnome-control-center which is basically what i run when i press on settings icon
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1778 [13:05:25] <mindaugas_> when i go there via terminal, then select to add language
1779 [13:05:34] <mindaugas_> terminal gives me to stdout Segmentation fault
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1783 [13:06:09] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: Any further output?
1784 [13:06:33] <mindaugas_> nop, just Segmentation fault
1785 [13:06:35] <mindaugas_> and exits
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1787 [13:06:44] <mindaugas_> i will try strace
1788 [13:06:50] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: What is the output of `apt-cache policy gnome-control-center` and `apt-cache policy`?
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1792 [13:07:40] <petn-randall> --> replaced-url
1793 [13:07:45] <petn-randall> brb in 40 min
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1800 [13:10:17] <mindaugas_> petn-randall, replaced-url
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1808 [13:13:48] <Emil> Hey
1809 [13:13:55] <Emil> What packages should I install to get .jp2 support?
1810 [13:14:52] <mindaugas_> petn-randall, strace also gives only these 3 lines when i press to add new layout
1811 [13:14:53] <mindaugas_> --- SIGSEGV {si_signo=SIGSEGV, si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0xf94} ---
1812 [13:14:53] <mindaugas_> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
1813 [13:14:53] <mindaugas_> Segmentation fault
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1815 [13:15:47] <blackflow> Emil: I'm guessing that's jpeg2000 for which (lib)openjpeg is used, but "support" depends on specific application, like gimp for example. Is that what you need?
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1820 [13:17:53] <Emil> blackflow: yeah I'd just like to view the image but even convert (imagemagick) takes over 5 gigs of memory and then dies with cache exhausted (even though I still have plenty of ram)
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1823 [13:18:03] <Emil> the source image is 103M in size
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1828 [13:18:50] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, just those three lines?
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1833 [13:20:31] <blackflow> Emil: 100M JPEG can be many gigabytes uncompressed in RAM
1834 [13:20:40] <blackflow> many many many gigabytes
1835 [13:21:09] <Emil> blackflow: and gimp says "unknown file type"
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1837 [13:22:32] <mindaugas_> Brigo_, just three after i press add language layout, other than that, when is tart strace gnome-control-center i get a lot more, but i dont think those are related
1838 [13:23:03] <blackflow> Emil: there are basically two libs handling JPEG2000 files. OpenJPEG which is a standard these days, and LibJasper which is being deprecated in favor of openjpeg. But an application needs to be built with JPEG2000 support in order to support the format, and then most likely pull in the libs as deps. I guess gimp isn't built with jpeg2000 support in debian by default.
1839 [13:23:57] <Emil> blackflow: hmm
1840 [13:24:00] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, provided it works for everybody but you, i will guess the problem could be in some library you installed from other sources.
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1842 [13:24:23] <Emil> blackflow: so I should probably try building a super simple converter program with opejpeg
1843 [13:25:19] <mindaugas_> Brigo_, now that i searched for gnome-control-center segmentation fault , i seem to find more launchpat bug reports related to that, but they are older, or on askubuntu
1844 [13:25:41] <mindaugas_> it tried reinstalling gnome-control-center
1845 [13:25:47] <mindaugas_> problem still persists
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1847 [13:26:02] <blackflow> Emil: btw, it seems gimp is pulling in libopenjp2 via gimp-data, so it _should_ support jpeg2000
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1849 [13:26:20] <blackflow> Emil: are you sure it's that? what does identify <thatfilename> (that's imagemagick's binary) say?=
1850 [13:26:53] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, of course you are installing the same version. Try with the dependencies, check for versions missmatch.
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1854 [13:29:08] <Emil> blackflow: W5211A.jp2 JP2 12000x12000 12000x12000+0+0 8-bit sRGB 107.9MB 0.000u 0:00.000
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1856 [13:30:42] <michael2> anyone else having trouble playing video in chromium?
1857 [13:30:43] <Emil> blackflow: so the images should be at most 12000*12000*4=576MB in size when in memory
1858 [13:31:16] <blackflow> Emil: yes. So if convert barks at it, and gimp can't open, I suppose the file is broken/invalid/corrupt?
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1861 [13:31:56] <blackflow> Emil: and it's x 3, jpeg doesn't do alpha
1862 [13:31:56] <Emil> blackflow: convert dies because it exhausts memory, the file is highly likely just fine
1863 [13:32:03] <Emil> blackflow: well, that's even less then
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1865 [13:32:24] <Emil> (point is, to store in memory you would often align by 4)
1866 [13:33:18] <blackflow> Emil: yeah but these calculations are based on raw rgb per pixel. jp2 stores a bit more than a flat image of certain width x height
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1869 [13:34:41] <blackflow> Emil: anyway, my knowledge of it is just theoretical (we do massive batch processing of regular jpegs at work) I never actually had to work with jp2 formats.
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1879 [13:41:16] <Emil> hmm
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1881 [13:44:36] <blackflow> Emil: btw, does convert -list format show JP2 at all? I'm currently unable to check with IM on Debian, but on Ubuntu there's no JP2 in that list
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1885 [13:46:00] <Emil> blackflow: libopenjp2-* (specifically opj_decompress) did the trick for me
1886 [13:46:22] <Emil> blackflow: also nope, no jp2 there
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1889 [13:46:53] <blackflow> Emil: oh great, didn't know about opj_decompress. libopenjp2-tools, makes sense :)
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1893 [13:50:39] <Emil> blackflow: everyone learns something :D
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1908 [13:56:18] <hever> Hello my little cluster started to swap and I can't figure out why. How could I monitor the memory usage on a minute basis? I'm using munin but it's graphs are not fine enough...
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1918 [13:59:55] <blackflow> hever: watch "ps axu --sort -%mem | head -n 10" or whatever variant of it, you can periodically output to a file for later analysis
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1929 [14:06:06] <hever> blackflow, ya thanks thought about that too, but I though there might be a better tool for that
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1939 [14:15:57] <blackflow> hever: at 1 minute level? there might be an alternative to munin, like cacti or nagios even. But I'm not sure if you want to change or introduce a whole new monitoring infrastructure just to hunt down some memory hungry procs.
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1945 [14:17:21] <blackflow> hever: oh waitaminute, I think munin can be configured for 1min resolution, but depending on how much it monitors, that may or may not work. eg I have a munin that takes several minutes (but less than 5) to do entire run
1946 [14:17:33] <blackflow> *a munin setup
1947 [14:18:08] <crackpotmark> Is there any way to stop Linux waiting for sata to respond during boot?
1948 [14:18:18] <hever> I just found out its nginx that doesn't free memory after a http request for some reason....
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1950 [14:18:44] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Why is it stalling in the first place?
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1959 [14:19:59] <crackpotmark> I have to take data from bad drives quite often
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1962 [14:20:32] <crackpotmark> I end up with a screenful of soft resets and hard resets
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1965 [14:20:43] <crackpotmark> Which is unproductive
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1967 [14:21:17] <crackpotmark> I guess the best option is hotplug sata
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1972 [14:24:14] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Most OSes and BIOSes don't handle faulty hardware well.
1973 [14:24:29] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Boot without it, and hotplug the faulty drives only when you need them.
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1975 [14:24:39] <crackpotmark> Fair enough
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1980 [14:26:54] <crackpotmark> At least Linux can read them (just about). My windows colleagues don't get anything :P
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1983 [14:29:09] <crackpotmark> In terms of hardware handling, anything better than debian you know of?
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1995 [14:35:56] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Usually if it's about reading data from faulty hardware, the OS is fairly irrelevant, it's all about how the other HW handles the faulty HW.
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1997 [14:37:19] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: For example, S-ATA/USB bridges will reset the whole USB connection if they hit too many ATA errors. So you need a bridge to handle faulty drives.
1998 [14:39:31] <crackpotmark> That's why I've used the direct sata bus and not a USB adaptor
1999 [14:39:51] <crackpotmark> But I don't belive I can hotplug on this hardware
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2001 [14:40:14] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: If it's a SATA drive, hotplugging is part of the spec.
2002 [14:40:26] <crackpotmark> Hmm okay
2003 [14:40:32] <crackpotmark> I'll try it later
2004 [14:40:38] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Just plug power first, and then sata second.
2005 [14:40:53] <crackpotmark> You don't need a particular motherboard?
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2008 [14:41:40] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: As I said, it's part of the spec. If your motherboard can't handle it, you should return the faulty mobo.
2009 [14:42:24] <petn-randall> In contrast, PATA does *not* support that.
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2019 [14:48:50] <crackpotmark> Thanks for the assistance :)
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2067 [15:16:43] <resc_051b3_5791> Hi
2068 [15:17:00] <resc_051b3_5791> What is this place for?
2069 [15:17:02] <resc_051b3_5791> replaced-url
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2079 [15:24:02] <dadabidet> is there a way to make CTRL C V and middle mouse the same paste?
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2088 [15:27:42] <petn-randall> dadabidet: Some clipboard managers offer that. I think KDE and Gnome have such things.
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2092 [15:32:24] <Knaldgas> Problem with Perl modules on Jessie. As root instmodsh shows Config::IniFiles but users command doesn't. APT does not have the libconfig-inifiles-perl package installed. I think I have installed some CPAN modules a while back, but removed them again (I think). Installing libconfig-inifiles-perl does not provide Config::IniFiles for users, how can I fix this?
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2094 [15:33:16] <Knaldgas> Perhaps the task is two-fold, cleaning up any CPAN previously installed, and installing the module the APT way?
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2113 [15:43:11] <hxmuller> how does one accomplish this: "# lvcreate -L 10G VolGroup00 -n lvolhome /dev/sdc1" using netinst expertgui? I haven't figured out how to tie a volume to a specific partition using the installer
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2119 [15:45:47] <dob1> hi, what is the right way to run an user script (or a script as an user) at shutdown?
2120 [15:45:51] <dob1> (systemd)
2121 [15:46:29] <hxmuller> ah, nvm. I dropped to shell, and see lvcreate is available for use there.
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2125 [15:49:07] <JohnML> I have two *.journal files from remote PC, how to display them using journalctl?
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2127 [15:50:04] <petn-randall> JohnML: I don't think it works like that, since .journal is not a versioned, standardized format.
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2130 [15:51:52] <JohnML> petn-randall, ok, thought i did that allready for Debian, but can't remember:-(
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2138 [15:54:23] <Akuw> any free alternative for cPanel ? i installed webmin, but have this all functions like cPanel
2139 [15:54:27] <Akuw> ?
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2141 [15:54:59] <hxmuller> dob1: you are looking for something like this: replaced-url
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2143 [15:55:26] <blackflow> Akuw: no. the only feature-competent alternative to cpanel is plesk, which is also paid (though it's a cheaper license)
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2148 [15:56:07] <Akuw> what cpanel has that webmin doesnt
2149 [15:56:08] <Akuw> ?
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2151 [15:56:11] <hxmuller> dob1: and if I remember right, you want to place the unit file here: ~/.local/share/systemd/user/ to run it as a user
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2153 [15:56:42] <petn-randall> JohnML: It might work if journalctl is the same version on the source and target machine. If not, it might work or might not.
2154 [15:56:43] <dob1> hxmuller, ah I didn't know about this, I will try
2155 [15:56:46] <dob1> ty
2156 [15:56:59] <blackflow> Akuw: I thought you knew, since you said "all this functions like cPanel". BTw, on Debian, you can't run cPanel anyway, so Plesk is the only one of commercial grade panels you can use.
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2158 [15:58:09] <Akuw> blackflow: but what is the diference between cPanel and Webmin ?
2159 [15:58:22] <JohnML> petn-randall, this one seems to work: journalctl --file=/home/john1/Downloads/user-1000.journal
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2161 [15:59:20] <blackflow> Akuw: pretty sure you can google for "cPanel vs webmin" and see what's being said.
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2169 [16:02:25] <Akuw> the only thing webmin dont have is windows support
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2172 [16:02:34] <Akuw> compared to cPanel
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2268 [16:57:11] <HOITAK> hello
2269 [16:57:18] <petn-randall> hi HOITAK
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2274 [16:57:51] <HOITAK> where are you from?
2275 [16:58:08] <HOITAK> where do you from? sorry
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2278 [16:59:10] <annadane> !chat
2279 [16:59:14] <annadane> arrrrrgh
2280 [16:59:25] <annadane> i keep forgetting about the bot lag
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2282 [16:59:36] <annadane> anyway, do you have a debian question?
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2296 [17:07:45] <abbe> Hi!
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2298 [17:09:14] <abbe> How can I try a new version of d-i with packages from proposed-updates ? I looked for netinstaller image for proposed-updates but apparently not available, and current stable kernel has replaced-url
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2355 [17:33:46] <basati> dfa
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2357 [17:34:12] <quantum> One of my headless KVM VMs has run out of disk space. I gave it 30GB.
2358 [17:34:31] <karuvally> quantum, hmm interesting
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2360 [17:34:44] <karuvally> what are you going to do about it? I am a KVM beginner myself
2361 [17:34:48] <quantum> I tried # tree -L 2 -s / but it's not very helpful.
2362 [17:35:16] <karuvally> hmm... I haven't tried those yet
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2367 [17:35:59] <blackflow> quantum: try ncdu
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2371 [17:36:50] <babilen> +1
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2374 [17:38:10] <lldd_> chromium does play audio in some sites (youtube) and does not in others (translate.google.com) also it does not play local audio files. this happens in 2 different machines. firefox works fine. is this a known limitation of chromium ?
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2380 [17:40:24] <lord_helmet> has anyone here used nat masquerade with interface aliases before (ie eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1)? Will masquerade always just use the address on eth0 and ignore the others?
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2384 [17:42:05] <petn-randall> lord_helmet: it depends on how you set up the NAT.
2385 [17:42:41] <blackflow> lord_helmet: never used masquerade, but if those are static network configs, maybe you're better off with explicit SNAT
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2391 [17:44:28] <lord_helmet> that's what I was thinking but I couldn't find a definite answer
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2394 [17:45:52] <lord_helmet> this is for a large NAT (university residential network) so we've got a few aliases as we may hit the 64K limit on one address
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2397 [17:46:25] <blackflow> lord_helmet: 64k on ephemeral ports?
2398 [17:46:28] <lord_helmet> moving it from old hardware on BSD to new hardware on Debian
2399 [17:46:30] <lord_helmet> yeah
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2403 [17:47:09] <blackflow> well I'm guessing that's static network config, ie. not dhcp or something like that, so yeah, go SNAT, be explicit with --to-source IP
2404 [17:47:17] <lord_helmet> yup, static
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2406 [17:47:36] <lord_helmet> what I was thinking
2407 [17:47:40] <lord_helmet> just wanted some verification
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2409 [17:47:57] <lord_helmet> never had to nat something this large with iptables before
2410 [17:48:12] <lord_helmet> so thanks!
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2412 [17:48:45] <blackflow> well I can't verify what masquerade does with aliases, never used it that way. at any rate, if you can avoid it, masquerade has overhead, it checks the IP for each packet, not sure there's any caching
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2415 [17:50:32] <lord_helmet> yeah, the one advantage it has is the connections are forgotten if the link goes down. we've got a failover to another edge router in case the primary link goes down
2416 [17:51:01] <lord_helmet> this _may_ be worthy of a write up once I get it finished :P
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2418 [17:51:14] <lord_helmet> lots of little pieces
2419 [17:51:17] <blackflow> lord_helmet: I'd be interested in reading that ;)
2420 [17:51:32] <blackflow> esp. your BSD -> Debian transition experience.
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2422 [17:52:22] <annadane> *which* bsd? :)
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2425 [17:52:50] <lord_helmet> blackflow: yeah I did some scripting to take the rc.conf and make /etc/network/interfaces for the aliases
2426 [17:52:51] <blackflow> ThereIsOnlyOneSeriouslyUsed(tm) :)
2427 [17:52:54] <lord_helmet> freebsd 8.2
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2429 [17:53:05] <lord_helmet> there are old boxes that the last guy setup
2430 [17:53:23] <annadane> i do want to try to get freebsd up and running for a desktop some day if it's not too tedious
2431 [17:53:35] <blackflow> goodluckwiththat.
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2433 [17:53:46] <annadane> i've heard it's... yeah. tedious
2434 [17:53:52] <annadane> anyway sorry for the offtopic
2435 [17:53:55] <lord_helmet> new hardware is Cisco UCS which none of the BSDs have support for the virtual nics for
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2437 [17:54:27] <lord_helmet> I had a FreeBSD desktop for a short while about 14 years ago
2438 [17:54:41] <lord_helmet> on my first AMD Athlon X2 box
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2442 [17:56:23] <blackflow> lord_helmet: rc.conf is easy, I'd be interested in performance improvements over pf or ipfw
2443 [17:56:56] <blackflow> pf has nice syntax, but is seriously lacking in functionality. I didn't look into ipfw before giving up and going back to Debian.
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2445 [17:57:22] <annadane> it's a bit misrepresented. the bsd people hate linux and tell you at many opportunities
2446 [17:57:24] <lord_helmet> blackflow: yeah, me too esp considering the version of pf in that version of FBSD isn't multithreaded IIRC
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2449 [17:57:39] <lord_helmet> new box has 40 threads I think
2450 [17:57:46] <blackflow> annadane: whenever possible. that's how you can tell someone is a FreeBSD user: they can't stop shtposting against linux.
2451 [17:57:52] <annadane> of course one reason of which is "because systemd"
2452 [17:57:58] <blackflow> lord_helmet: yeah that came with 9 iirc
2453 [17:58:45] <blackflow> disclaimer: I've been a FreeBSD "contributor" for two years. escaped that echo chamber of linux hate just in tiem.
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2456 [17:59:59] <annadane> shame. love the idea of the BSDs
2457 [18:00:03] <annadane> oh well
2458 [18:00:05] <annadane> debian's also pretty cool
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2461 [18:00:23] <lord_helmet> fanboys fighting on the internet? nooooo never ....
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2463 [18:00:43] <blackflow> lord_helmet: it's especially sad when some of them sit on the FreeBSD core board.
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2468 [18:02:07] <lord_helmet> did the FreeBSD project say they were looking at adopting some sort of systemd-esque init system in the future?
2469 [18:02:31] <blackflow> lord_helmet: the principal developer gave up and went into a completely different industry.
2470 [18:02:31] <lord_helmet> I know you can use launchd with it, at least in theory
2471 [18:03:07] <lord_helmet> principle freebsd developer or init ?
2472 [18:03:22] * lord_helmet hasn't been following BSD drama to closely for a while
2473 [18:03:41] <blackflow> lord_helmet: replaced-url
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2476 [18:04:51] <blackflow> and the other dev, Kip Macy is in prison ( replaced-url
2477 [18:05:55] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: should'a gone w openbsd. theo's much easier to deal with.
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2479 [18:07:48] <blackflow> openbsd is a joke.
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2482 [18:09:39] <lord_helmet> wow
2483 [18:09:52] <blackflow> poor SMP, lately no SMT, no VM, no MAC, no jails, no ZFS, wth. it's a niche experimental OS, but that's about it.
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2485 [18:10:29] <annadane> is... is netbsd decent? :/
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2488 [18:10:45] <blackflow> for running tosters? yup. =)
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2490 [18:11:12] <lord_helmet> I will admit to having a soft spot for NetBSD
2491 [18:11:14] <blackflow> Dragonfly is neat, though. HAMMER, good graphics support.
2492 [18:11:19] <annadane> i see essentially debian and slackware being the two most... serious? distributions for any of linux/bsd/whatever
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2495 [18:11:34] <annadane> perhaps not a coincidence they're the oldest
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2497 [18:11:48] <annadane> and debian has the social contract so... yeah
2498 [18:11:50] <blackflow> it's Slackware's anniversary something something, isn't it?
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2501 [18:11:58] <annadane> like a few days ago
2502 [18:12:02] <lord_helmet> bbiab, thanks for the input folks
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2506 [18:12:58] <annadane> 1992, so it'd be 26 years
2507 [18:13:06] <annadane> whereas debian... turns 25 this year! :)
2508 [18:13:15] <annadane> idk exactly what day it was first released
2509 [18:13:31] <blackflow> wow, time flies indeed.
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2535 [18:26:01] <blackflow> annadane: Debian is one of the rare "true" all-purpos linux distros. all others are either niche or became a delivery platform for vendor lock-in for their corporate overlords.
2536 [18:26:09] <karuvally> I thought slackware and debian was separated only by a few months
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2538 [18:26:27] <Beggar> hi
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2540 [18:27:13] <Beggar> Any reasom for apt-get update take too long to acomplish? "REading package lsit..." takes more than 30min to finish.
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2542 [18:27:33] <annadane> try changing the mirror
2543 [18:27:37] <Beggar> It started after I issued apt-get clean and autoremove I guess
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2545 [18:28:04] <annadane> blackflow, yeah slack too but the problem with slack is they want you to install everything
2546 [18:28:07] <annadane> which is not for everyone
2547 [18:28:30] <mnuhmnuh> i'm pretty sure i was running slack for about a year before debian was announced. then again, i stuck w slack at least a year after the announce.
2548 [18:28:34] <annadane> and they don't have quite the infrastructure debian has which of course is not a reason as such to not use it but...
2549 [18:28:53] <RoyK> Beggar: are you on ipv6? some mirrors aren't and thus it might take some time for the ipv6 to timeout
2550 [18:29:00] <annadane> oh. %
2551 [18:29:02] <annadane> ^ *
2552 [18:29:12] <Dagger> RoyK: that's... not how v6 works
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2555 [18:29:21] <Beggar> annadane, but, when it is reading the package list it is using internet ?
2556 [18:29:29] <RoyK> Dagger: I'm quite aware of how ipv6 works ;)
2557 [18:29:35] <Dagger> if the mirror doesn't have v6, then you won't (and can't) attempt to connect via v6
2558 [18:30:01] <RoyK> Dagger: depends what's in dns and how your routing works
2559 [18:30:09] <Beggar> RoyK, no I am still on the ipv4 and ip6 "mixed" world.
2560 [18:30:10] <blackflow> well, true, if there aren't AAAA records, it won't be used
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2562 [18:30:54] <mnuhmnuh> ipv4 tunnels ipv6, yes?
2563 [18:31:06] <RoyK> blackflow: not exactly true - I've seen apt fail with not getting A records even though there were AAAA records - it didn't seem to like ipv6-only networks, basically
2564 [18:31:11] <Dagger> we just said the mirror doesn't have v6, so presumably there aren't any AAAA records
2565 [18:31:41] <RoyK> the problem is worse the other way around
2566 [18:31:48] <Dagger> Beggar: if you want to double-check this, try `wget -O/dev/null <mirror URL>` and see what it says
2567 [18:31:50] <RoyK> anyway - just asking here
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2571 [18:32:52] <blackflow> RoyK: AAAA is always tried first. if exists, it will be used. if the connection fails, A won't be tried instead, unless you write the application to re-request A record specfically and retry the whole connection over ipv4. I don't know if apt is written that way, but it's not part of any ipv6 or ipv4 standard.
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2578 [18:34:30] <Beggar> No issue in the connection apparently.
2579 [18:34:44] <annadane> september 15, is when it was released. so in about 2 months we can have a party for the 25th, or something
2580 [18:34:48] <Beggar> I tried diferent mirror and the us one, nothing changed.
2581 [18:35:15] <blackflow> annadane: with a Surprise Premature Buster Release Gift to the Community! :))
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2583 [18:35:51] <Beggar> Buster.... I do not know if I should fear it or be anxious to see it.
2584 [18:36:00] <Dagger> blackflow: no, in general AAAA is only tried first if your DNS lookups sort the AAAA records to the top, which in general only happens if your machine has proper v6 addresses assigned
2585 [18:36:32] <Beggar> Dagger this nick pattern is making my eyes weird ahahaha
2586 [18:36:47] <blackflow> Dagger: "if your DNS lookups sort the AAAA records to the top" -- not sure what that means
2587 [18:36:48] <Dagger> I say "in general" because it's configurable, and programs can reorder the results themselves, but most programs will do their connection attempts in the same order that `getent ahosts <...>` returns results in
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2591 [18:38:22] <blackflow> Dagger: sure, but A is _not_ a failover for existing AAAA that otherwise failed.
2592 [18:38:35] <Dagger> blackflow: when you call getaddrinfo(), you get a list of results back. the list is sorted according to the rules in RFC 6724 (the short version of the rules is: AAAAs first if you have v6, otherwise As first)
2593 [18:38:45] <blackflow> unless you write an application that will try again, requesting A record specifically and trying ipv4 instead.
2594 [18:38:46] <Dagger> it's not just "AAAA first always"
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2599 [18:39:25] <blackflow> Dagger: okay, that's what I meant wihtout going to elaborate explanation. if there's no v6, of course it won't be tried.
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2601 [18:39:44] <Dagger> you generally don't need to ask for A specifically. generally you ask for AF_UNSPEC which gets you both AAAAs and As
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2605 [18:39:58] <quy1> any software so i can change hue of screen color_
2606 [18:40:01] <quy1> ?
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2608 [18:40:29] <Dagger> "generally" again because programs can try to be cleer and override it (and then they end up with broken behavior :/)
2609 [18:40:33] <blackflow> Dagger: but the whole point of what I'm trying to say is, if you don't write the app that way, the stack won't failover to A after AAAA (with existing DNS record) fails
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2616 [18:43:26] <Dagger> the failover is just a loop over getaddrinfo()... but sure, if you don't do the loop then you'll only try to connect to the first record
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2618 [18:44:08] <Dagger> but the point I was making is that the first record will be an A record if your own machine doesn't have a proper v6 address
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2620 [18:44:31] <blackflow> Dagger: right.
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2622 [18:44:48] <Dagger> just because an AAAA exists doesn't mean it'll always be tried first
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2627 [18:45:39] <Dagger> also, apt-get does loop over all address records properly... the only slight problem is that it only reports the *last* failure that it encounters, not all of them
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2629 [18:45:46] <blackflow> of course it requires the client to have v6. but this whole discussion was really in answer to "are you on ipv6? some mirrors aren't and thus it might take some time for the ipv6 to timeout" which is a bit false. if a mirror is not on v6, thus has no AAAA, there's no delay involving v6
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2632 [18:46:21] <blackflow> if a mirror is on v6, has AAAA, but the connection fails, depends on the client what happens next.
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2634 [18:46:40] <Dagger> on a v4-only machine, that'll be a connection to the AAAA record... so people keep seeing that and blaming v6 for their problem, even though the real problem was that v4 failed (and v4 was all they had) :/
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2654 [18:58:02] <beastwick87> Hi, can anyone make changes to the wiki? I want to write some information about an edge case I had connecting to wifi, but I am afraid of violating some protocol or something...
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2657 [18:59:12] <annadane> beastwick87, yeah, you just need an account
2658 [18:59:21] <annadane> which you can sign up for freely
2659 [18:59:39] <beastwick87> ok, I did that, I just don't want to step on anyone's toes or pollute the wiki with crap info if it is sort of crap lol
2660 [18:59:43] <beastwick87> i don't think it is
2661 [18:59:48] <beastwick87> but more senior people involved, idk lol
2662 [18:59:58] <annadane> yeah, don't worry
2663 [19:00:07] <beastwick87> alright cool
2664 [19:00:13] <annadane> only suggestion is maybe write "for debian 9 stretch..."
2665 [19:00:20] <annadane> because the issue with the wiki is it can sometimes be outdated
2666 [19:00:22] <beastwick87> yes! going to do that
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2668 [19:02:03] <Sia-> Hi, did debian removed something in netinstall ISO testing?
2669 [19:02:16] <annadane> "something" is vague
2670 [19:02:26] <annadane> also, do you want to install testing, or test the installer?
2671 [19:02:27] <Sia-> because can't fine my motherboard intelDH67BL ethernet driver
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2674 [19:04:20] <Sia-> annadane i did on the first SSD before 2 months ago. yesterday downloaded last builded iso netinstall and can't detect my ethernet driver?!
2675 [19:04:34] <annadane> it's possibly a bug
2676 [19:04:42] <annadane> if you did it successfully before
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2679 [19:05:00] <annadane> i'm not sure how to diagnose it, maybe someone does, but in general if you want testing you should upgrade to it from a minimal stable
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2681 [19:06:01] <Sia-> annadane right now downloaded the live testing, ill try it. if doesn't i send a bug to the debian dev
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2697 [19:13:48] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, where can i find the settings for my wacom tablet ? they don't appear in the system settings or under devices but the tablet gets correctly recognized by linux and works i just have to change some settings (i'm left handed)
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2702 [19:14:27] <rocketmagnet> i'm using mate and latest stable
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2715 [19:20:47] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: control center, i think it's called. it's all gui, pointy-clicky.
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2717 [19:21:11] <rocketmagnet> what's the app name, in my control center i found only keyboard and mouse
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2719 [19:22:00] <mnuhmnuh> look in journalctl for messages related to the device.
2720 [19:22:39] <mnuhmnuh> should tell you what's missing. firmware?
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2722 [19:23:20] <rocketmagnet> the tablet is working i just want to mirror the input because i'm left handed so i need the table the other way around than normal users
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2726 [19:24:37] <mnuhmnuh> i'm left handed. xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5 6 7 8 9"
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2728 [19:25:39] <rocketmagnet> why are you not using xsetwacom ?
2729 [19:26:03] * mnuhmnuh "the world is right handed, and only the smartest overcome it."
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2731 [19:26:27] <mnuhmnuh> i don't use wacom (or any) tablets.
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2733 [19:27:21] <mnuhmnuh> just trying to help w what i know.
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2735 [19:28:09] <rocketmagnet> "xsetwacom parameters" shows me all the possible parameters but not the values they can/must been set to :/
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2743 [19:35:48] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: so, it (config) must be buried somewhere in the system. locate wacom
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2745 [19:36:38] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl should show stuff like init settings.
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2749 [19:40:40] <zxq2> hi i'm trying parse debian version numbers, specifically for the backports of openssh. the version scheme seems a little complicated. i did some searching and wasn't able to find any documentation on how it works. can someone please point me in the right direction? thanks
2750 [19:41:07] <rocketmagnet> is there a way i can see which buttons are pressed on my tablet so i can find out which button has which name ??
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2752 [19:41:37] <rocketmagnet> "xsetwacom parameters" shows me all the possible parameters but not the values they can/must been set to :/
2753 [19:42:59] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, i'm afraid if i try this my settings are getting messed up, there must be an gui to set the settings, i don't know the possible values i can set the parameters to with xsetwacom
2754 [19:43:23] <rocketmagnet> i can fetch the current value but there is no help whatsoever telling me the possible values they can be set to
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2756 [19:44:25] <mnuhmnuh> manpages? /usr/share/doc/...
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2761 [19:46:34] <mnuhmnuh> apropos wacom
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2767 [19:48:58] <mnuhmnuh> man 4 wacom says xorg.conf.d may be where to look?
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2782 [20:01:20] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-wacom.conf
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2810 [20:18:37] <rafalcpp> how to see CPU load, WITHOUT breaking it up by core, and in totall cpu load (all besides idle: so user+sys+irq) ?
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2814 [20:19:29] <mnuhmnuh> rafalcpp: gkrellm can do either or both at once.
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2819 [20:20:43] <dutchfish> rafalcpp, grep 'cpu ' /proc/stat | awk '{usage=($2+$4)*100/($2+$4+$5)} END {print usage "%"}'
2820 [20:20:52] <egrain> i'm on a vps and i want to partition the main disk, but when i go at it with parted it gives me this: Warning: Unable to open /dev/ploop36538 read-write (Operation not permitted). /dev/ploop36538 has been opened read-only. i'm root though.
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2831 [20:24:18] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, now up and down is switched but left - right is still wrong :X
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2835 [20:25:24] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, is there a way i can find out which button has which number by seeing the input the table is getting ?
2836 [20:25:36] <mnuhmnuh> xev?
2837 [20:25:46] <rocketmagnet> ?
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2839 [20:26:04] <rocketmagnet> ah nice
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2844 [20:27:51] <egrain> hdparm -r0 /dev/ploop36538 gives me BLKROSET failed: Operation not permitted. that means i have no chance, right?
2845 [20:28:05] <mnuhmnuh> maybe there's a dpkg-reconfigure for it? wishful thinking.
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2847 [20:28:23] <mnuhmnuh> for rocketmagnet
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2850 [20:29:59] <asdfafafa> hi
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2861 [20:35:05] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, xev worked but how can i find out the possible values for the parameters of xsetwacom ? xsetwacom parameters shows me all params and i can fetch their current value with xsetwacom get "..." parameter, but i don't find the possible values i can pass to the parameters :(
2862 [20:35:36] <rocketmagnet> and can you maybe change the command you send me so that not y is switched but x ??
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2865 [20:35:50] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: that should be what the manpage is for.
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2867 [20:36:19] <rocketmagnet> does the manpage shows the possible values for the parameters ?????
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2870 [20:37:13] <rocketmagnet> YES - mnuhmnuh you are my heror of the day :)
2871 [20:37:30] <rocketmagnet> the last question: are things i set with xsetwacom permanent ?
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2873 [20:38:18] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: man 4 wacom says see man 5 xorg.conf and xorg.conf.d
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2876 [20:39:43] <blackslide> hi, I'm having an issue with a logitech wireless keyboard, k400 plus, to be percise.
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2878 [20:40:00] <mnuhmnuh> i have no idea. find a way to stuff overrides into (eg.) ~/.wacom? or xorg.conf.d/idunno.
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2880 [20:40:25] <blackslide> any known easy fix to disable multimedia keys?
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2884 [20:41:42] <blackslide> Logitech has the fn on/off function in their windows sw package, but no info on linux.
2885 [20:42:01] <mnuhmnuh> blackslide: xev should tell you what keys send what. dunno what to do then; research.
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2889 [20:42:19] <mender27> Evening everyone! Good to be back to Debian. Quick question - I noticed that Debian has a new feature which displays "outdated" and prompts their upgrade. Sometimes however no new update candidates are available. Does anyone know how this feature really works?
2890 [20:42:44] <mender27> Outdated packages, I meant.
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2892 [20:43:35] <blackslide> mnuhmnuh: thanks!
2893 [20:43:46] <mnuhmnuh> mender27: what do you know about the debian packaging system(s)?
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2895 [20:44:04] <mender27> mnuhmnuh: unfortunately, not much :(
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2898 [20:44:39] <mender27> mnuhmnuh: if this is explained in some docs, I'd be happy to read them :).
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2901 [20:44:52] <mnuhmnuh> debian-handbook
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2903 [20:45:04] <mnuhmnuh> apt-get install
2904 [20:45:15] <geosmin> first time installing debian, what exactly does it mean in the installer to select "debian desktop environmnet" but NOT select GNOME, KDE, LXDE, etc.
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2906 [20:45:24] <geosmin> (my goal is to install i3)
2907 [20:45:35] <blackslide> would be nice if the gnome settings utility for keyboards would include some sort of toggle for fn-lock on these newer keyboards..
2908 [20:45:43] <geosmin> and preferably have autologin with getty or or something, no need for a login manager
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2910 [20:46:05] <dutchfish> mender27, the word is Replaces, see: replaced-url
2911 [20:46:18] <blackslide> The internetz seems to be filled of "how to disable fn keys" for laptops, and on winblows..
2912 [20:46:44] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, how can i undo the xmodmap -e command ?
2913 [20:46:48] <mnuhmnuh> geosmin: i'd guess no gui login or x window until you manually installed one. i allowed mate on install, then pulled in my prefer.
2914 [20:47:16] <dutchfish> mender27, it basically means package foo2 Replaces foo1, hence the package system knows what is outdated.
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2916 [20:47:31] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"
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2921 [20:48:29] <dutchfish> mender27, all that is part of the control file which is in each and every package.
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2923 [20:49:07] <mnuhmnuh> geosmin: there's nodm (i think it's called).
2924 [20:49:54] <dutchfish> mender27, and the packagemanger on your system keeps track of all that, fed by info files from the repositories
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2926 [20:50:30] <dutchfish> mender27, all the tools on your system use that information
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2931 [20:53:07] <mender27> dutchfish, mnuhmnuh: thanks for help. I will read the Handbook :).
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2933 [20:53:38] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, the command you gave me switched the mouse buttons and inverted the y axis, i only need to invert the x axis
2934 [20:53:48] <mender27> I actually want to get into Debian package creation, since there are quite some projects which don't have packages yet, but are very interesting.
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2940 [20:54:44] <mnuhmnuh> mender27: see #debian-mentors and #packaging, i think on oftc network?
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2942 [20:54:58] <mender27> mnuhmnuh: I will, thanks!
2943 [20:55:15] <RoyK> imho freenode and oftc should merge most of their stuff
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2954 [21:03:46] <mnuhmnuh> i was disappointed when i learned that ea. network had its own discrete ver. of #debian, no aggregation!?! well, that's dumb! after email & usenet, sill irc.
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2957 [21:04:15] <mnuhmnuh> s/sill/silly
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2959 [21:05:00] <annadane> i'll make my own network! with ...
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2962 [21:05:34] <rocketmagnet> thanks for your help guys, see you all
2963 [21:05:36] <rocketmagnet> bye
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2970 [21:06:58] <mender27> bye, rocketmagnet
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2975 [21:08:29] <queso> I just got a new Lenovo ThinkPad laptop. I want to rub Windows off and put Debian on. I know nothing about UEFI. Is there anything I need to do in the BIOS before Debian will install successfully? Anything else I need to know? (Links welcome.) Thanks.
2976 [21:09:35] <kwamejr> can anybody help me with this issue that I'm having? Trying to connect through wireless interface with RTL8188CUS, I'm currently using debian 9 and when attempting to connect to the internet a message is displayed saying that the wireless interfaces are disconnected
2977 [21:09:46] <kwamejr> Can somebody help?
2978 [21:10:01] <mnuhmnuh> queso: i'd guess turn uefi off in bios; you don't need it, so don't let it get in the way.
2979 [21:10:14] <egrain> is it normal that /boot is empty on a vps?
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2981 [21:10:51] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: you may need firmware packages installed.
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2983 [21:11:00] <queso> mnuhmnuh: That's it? Turn it off in the BIOS?
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2986 [21:11:36] <mnuhmnuh> verify, but yes, i believe that's it.
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2990 [21:13:17] <kwamejr> mnuhmnuh: and if the firmware packages are already installed. replaced-url
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2992 [21:13:18] <mender27> queso: I wouldn't really disable UEFI. There are some benefits to it.
2993 [21:13:18] <mnuhmnuh> queso: this's just from me reading others' experience; i've never had to deal with uefi myself.
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2996 [21:14:31] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: journalctl
2997 [21:15:10] <mender27> queso: the most important question though, which ThinkPad model is it?
2998 [21:15:44] <kwamejr> mnuhmnuh: what am I looking for?
2999 [21:15:58] <bites> egrain: yes. try systemd-detect-virt to find out what virtualization is used. in containers there is no need for /boot, full virtualization like kvm usually has it.
3000 [21:16:08] <queso> mender27: X1, 5th gen. Just got it for work. Looks great. :) I got 5th instead of 6th gen because I saw there were some issues with Linux on 6th gen.
3001 [21:16:29] <egrain> bites, openvz.
3002 [21:16:34] <queso> mender27: So debian should install fine? Should I install all available BIOS updates first while Windows is still on it?
3003 [21:16:35] <egrain> is that good or bad?
3004 [21:16:47] <bites> egrain: that's containers. no need for /boot.
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3007 [21:17:27] <rant> I would never flash a working bios personally..
3008 [21:17:40] <egrain> bites, but that means i can't install another linux on it, right? except via the menu on the site.
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3010 [21:18:05] <rant> fixing things that aren't broke is never a good idea, but more so when they have potential to ruin an entire machine
3011 [21:18:11] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: in journalctl, type /rtl819<Enter>
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3013 [21:18:22] <bites> egrain: containers share a kernel with the host. you can't simply install a completely new system.
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3015 [21:18:38] <mender27> queso: I would say definitely yes. Later, you'll need to run DOS from a thumbdrive to get BIOS updates.
3016 [21:19:00] <rant> usually if you read bios changelogs they aren't updating anything worth the riskk anyhow
3017 [21:19:06] <egrain> bites, but i can select some ubuntus, some debians and some centoses. does that mean it switches me from machine to machine? or does it reinstall the host then?
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3019 [21:19:51] <mender27> I'm off! See you and good luck :)
3020 [21:20:07] <bites> egrain: they can run different distributions on the same host. each container has its own fs tree. it just shares the kernel.
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3022 [21:20:16] <queso> mnuhmnuh: mender27: rant: Thanks all.
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3024 [21:20:55] <egrain> bites, i see. so how would i go about changing distributions while i'm trapped in the container?
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3026 [21:21:19] <bites> egrain: you use the tools the hoster gives you. i don't know what service you use.
3027 [21:21:53] <kwamejr> mnuhmnuh: check replaced-url
3028 [21:22:00] <egrain> bites, strato. they don't offer what i want though. that means i won't get what i want, doesn't it?
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3030 [21:23:21] <bites> egrain: strato uses openvz? that's interesting. could you show me the output of uname -a ?
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3032 [21:23:46] <bites> egrain: but no, i wouldn't mess with it, just pick a provider that gives you what you want.
3033 [21:23:51] <mnuhmnuh> what does "rtl8192cu 1-3:1.0 wlx0013ef5024c2: renamed from wlan0" mean? i don't use wifi.
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3038 [21:25:02] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: /sbin/iwconfig should display your iface(s).
3039 [21:25:55] <egrain> bites, Virtuozzo it says on the page. i didn't know i had to look out for that. well, thanks though.
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3043 [21:28:02] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: are you running nm-applet? see icons on your x interface that appear to be network related?
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3052 [21:34:11] <bites> egrain: yeah, virtuozzo s the proprietary bit on top of openvz
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3072 [21:45:36] <fath0m> Hello. Is somebody willing to help me install graphics drivers on Debian 9.5? My graphics are radeon 530
3073 [21:45:48] <fath0m> this is on a laptop btw. Cpu is i5-8250u
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3080 [21:48:09] <mnuhmnuh> fath0m: do you have the firmware packages installed? dunno if your chip is supported or not. see aptitude search ...
3081 [21:48:38] <fath0m> i've done nonfree install of amd gpu drivers, but still, it does not seem to work.
3082 [21:48:50] <fath0m> how can i check if it is even detected by my system?
3083 [21:49:01] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl
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3086 [21:50:24] <mnuhmnuh> does "apt show" your firmware pkgs mention your chip?
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3161 [22:45:59] <gZen> Hi all
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3167 [22:48:09] <gZen> Do someone knox smthg about zentyal plz ?
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3169 [22:48:46] <mnuhmnuh> not found in stable. what is it?
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3174 [22:50:53] <gZen> an all in one distrib samba-based and user friendly, my company use it
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3176 [22:51:58] <gZen> it display a very user friendly server to communicate with windows server
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3179 [22:54:07] <gZen> (sry about my voc, i'm french...) My boss is looking for a NAS-like system, available for out of the LAN, for a file server
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3181 [22:54:40] <phogg> gZen: Looks like zentyal is a Linux distribution. Are you trying to achieve a similar set of features on top of Debian?
3182 [22:54:43] <gZen> using the active directory's users
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3184 [22:55:23] <gZen> isnt' it based on debian ?
3185 [22:55:43] <rant> we don't do based on debian here, we support Debian stable
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3188 [22:56:09] <rant> we are just debian users volunteering our time and knowledge
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3194 [22:58:49] <gZen> ok, do you know where can i found an adapted channel ?
3195 [22:58:56] <gZen> thx
3196 [23:01:01] <fpat> gZen: read "/msg alis help list" for a channel search on this network
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