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70 [00:41:51] <buu> Ok seriously, when I do upgrades, what on earth is taking so long after the "I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-7-amd64" step
71 [00:41:57] <buu> It's obviously timing out
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82 [00:52:11] <jhutchins> buu: Is it showing an error?
83 [00:52:17] <jhutchins> buu: Does it fail to boot?
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87 [00:52:43] <jhutchins> There are a lot of tasks associated with a kernel upgrade that just take time to execute, even on a fast system.
88 [00:53:08] <buu> jhutchins: no, it just takes multiple minutes
89 [00:53:39] <buu> Next line is /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools
90 [00:54:42] <buu> jhutchins: Like, it literally longer than compiling the kernel from scratch
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179 [01:40:46] <lechucknet> Hi there
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182 [01:40:57] <lechucknet> does anybody knows howto shot kernel outboot while boot
183 [01:40:59] <lechucknet> on debian
184 [01:41:12] <lechucknet> cause after grub gouest to a tiling cursor
185 [01:41:31] <lechucknet> no kernel messages, systemd services output
186 [01:41:32] <lechucknet> etc
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192 [01:43:56] <lechucknet> hum
193 [01:44:05] <lechucknet> just removing quiete from /etc/default/grub
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200 [01:49:57] <blackflow> lechucknet: the what now?
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222 [02:03:47] <lechucknet> blackflow, what=
223 [02:03:48] <lechucknet> ?
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232 [02:10:58] <mnuhmnuh> lechucknet: i really got nothing from that. try #debian-ru, -es, -pt, -ch, ... insert your country code.
233 [02:11:21] <mnuhmnuh> maybe that's on oftc?
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235 [02:12:33] <relampago7> does anyone know anything about openjdk10 on Debian 9? I can install successfully, but when I try and use it I get an error: 'plugin alternative does not exist: IcedTeaPlugin.so'
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237 [02:13:52] <RoyK> mnuhmnuh: whois on (s)he's ip says .ar, so I guess that'll be #debian-es
238 [02:14:24] <RoyK> (his or her)
239 [02:14:37] <mnuhmnuh> RoyK: is that only oftc, or does freenode do it too?
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241 [02:16:09] <mnuhmnuh> 'spose i could just /j #debian-es and see if it works.
242 [02:16:11] <RoyK> mnuhmnuh: no idea, sorry
243 [02:16:13] <lechucknet> nop mnuhmnuh
244 [02:16:39] <lechucknet> i was talking about, configuring grub to show kernel output while boot
245 [02:16:58] <lechucknet> cause is in quiet mode. just a blinking cursor on screen while booting
246 [02:16:58] <lechucknet> sir
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248 [02:17:06] <mnuhmnuh> lechucknet: use irc.debian.org and join #debian-es
249 [02:17:18] <lechucknet> why??
250 [02:17:38] <mnuhmnuh> i can't understand what you asked above.
251 [02:17:49] <lechucknet> do you understand english?
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253 [02:18:01] <RoyK> irc.debian.org is on oftc
254 [02:18:03] <lechucknet> i was talking about an option, present on /etc/default/grub
255 [02:18:12] <mnuhmnuh> neither did blackflow
256 [02:18:13] <RoyK> probably the best way to start
257 [02:18:14] <lechucknet> "quiet"
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260 [02:18:35] <lechucknet> with quiet set, no kernel output at boot-time
261 [02:18:43] <blackflow> lechucknet: I thought you had a stroke by the construct of that sentence
262 [02:19:07] <lechucknet> ok :S
263 [02:19:08] <blackflow> so anyway, you fixed whatever it was, by removing the "quiet" option from the kernel, right?
264 [02:19:10] <mnuhmnuh> lechucknet: edit the grub commandline. "e"
265 [02:19:14] <lechucknet> maybe you have comprehension problems
266 [02:19:23] <lechucknet> yes blackflow
267 [02:19:28] <lechucknet> i fixed that way
268 [02:19:35] <blackflow> lechucknet: yes, _I_ have problems: "does anybody knows howto shot kernel outboot while boot"
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270 [02:19:48] <lechucknet> hhahahahaha
271 [02:19:57] <blackflow> and wth is "gouest to a tiling cursor"?
272 [02:19:58] <lechucknet> really man,
273 [02:20:03] <lechucknet> ahahaha
274 [02:20:13] <lechucknet> impossible to understand
275 [02:20:43] <lechucknet> the thing is that i want to see kernel output while booting
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277 [02:20:54] * mnuhmnuh "What we have here is a failure to communicate." -- Hud.
278 [02:21:00] <lechucknet> i mean systemd messages, kernel modulues load, etc
279 [02:21:02] <blackflow> lechucknet: now we're talking. yes, removing "quiet" would be it
280 [02:21:11] <blackflow> and "splash" if it's there
281 [02:21:18] <lechucknet> yes, im going to check it right now
282 [02:21:22] <lechucknet> let me see
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306 [02:39:25] <jhutchins> random word generator
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308 [02:40:38] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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314 [02:43:29] <r3m> ,v mednafen
315 [02:43:30] <judd> Package: mednafen on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.D.3-6; jessie: 0.9.36.4-1; stretch: 0.9.41+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 1.21.3+dfsg-1; sid: 1.21.3+dfsg-1
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341 [02:55:02] <JustTheDoctor> i have a question about Deb & installed app pastebinit, utilizing pastebinit command in shell after app installed, how could do pastebinit ??? to make THISCOMMAND reply post?
342 [02:55:44] <mnuhmnuh> JustTheDoctor: $command | pastebinit
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346 [02:57:27] <JustTheDoctor> mnuhmnuh: so if the command that gave a reply was pandacoind listtransactions '@dude' i wouldnt do pandacoind listtransactions '@dude' >> pastebinit i would do pandacoind listtransactions '@dude" | pastebinit?
347 [02:57:50] <mnuhmnuh> correct.
348 [02:57:51] <JustTheDoctor> this will explain alot to me. so thank you so much for your help
349 [02:58:08] <JustTheDoctor> THANK YOU SO MUCH
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352 [02:58:28] <mnuhmnuh> to just send a file, pastebinit file.
353 [02:58:32] <JustTheDoctor> so with pastebinit installed, if i want to command reply to pastebin i just command | pastebinit
354 [02:58:35] <JustTheDoctor> awesome
355 [02:58:49] <JustTheDoctor> that will work with me so much more on so many diff things.. (*learn something new everyday)
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357 [02:59:04] <mnuhmnuh> very useful little app.
358 [02:59:18] <mnuhmnuh> easy to use too.
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525 [05:43:58] <jak2000> hi all i want move some files and get this error: :/backups$ sudo mv 2018_06_*.sql /backups/20180718/
526 [05:43:58] <jak2000> sudo: unable to execute /bin/mv: Argument list too long
527 [05:44:01] <jak2000> how to fix?
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534 [05:55:13] <mnuhmnuh> jak2000: what does ls /backups/2018_06_*.sql say?
535 [05:55:13] <BoBeR182> have less files to move
536 [05:57:27] <rant> jak2000: perhaps try a loop instead
537 [05:58:10] <mnuhmnuh> or tar them up into one file and send that.
538 [05:58:10] <rant> jak2000: for i in 2018_06_*.sql; do mv "$i" /backups/20180718/;done
539 [05:58:20] <rant> yes or use rsync or something
540 [05:58:32] <pantato> indirectly a linux question: re
541 [05:58:37] <pantato> does anyone know if the latest nvidia drivers for the 980 ti would work with passthrough/kvm/virutalization?
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561 [06:09:49] <COOurb> hi
562 [06:10:01] <COOurb> Does Debian9 supports hw RAID1?
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564 [06:10:43] <karuvally> I guess so replaced-url
565 [06:10:44] <COOurb> Because I created RAID in BIOS, but in process of installation it shows me 2 HDD
566 [06:11:06] <karuvally> I think you need to set up drivers
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568 [06:12:05] <COOurb> how? I mean, in which place?
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572 [06:13:45] <COOurb> I'm talking about hardware RAID, not software
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574 [06:14:30] <karuvally> HMM
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576 [06:14:59] <karuvally> hardware RAID also seems to need drivers
577 [06:15:13] <karuvally> I haven't implemented one myself, but googled a bit
578 [06:15:30] <COOurb> what?
579 [06:15:48] <COOurb> I though That hardware RAIDs are OS independent
580 [06:15:48] <karuvally> the link I shared, Debian Wiki lists all the hardware drivers that ship with Debian
581 [06:16:28] <karuvally> I thought the same, but then "This page is a summary of the status of some (most/all) hardware RAID drivers supported by the default Linux kernel."
582 [06:16:36] <COOurb> Yeah, but in disk selecting it only supports software RAID
583 [06:16:38] <karuvally> :| perplexed
584 [06:17:09] <karuvally> find your RAID controller, look for the specific instructions for setting it up
585 [06:18:00] <COOurb> this MB replaced-url
586 [06:18:08] <COOurb> So where I can find RAID controller?
587 [06:19:24] <karuvally> have you bought one or the motherboard has inbuilt controller?
588 [06:19:40] <COOurb> builtin
589 [06:20:05] <karuvally> hmm, let me look
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591 [06:21:24] <COOurb> I change SATA-mode in BIOS to RAID, run some Legacy Raid tool (run before BIOS) and create RAID1 from 2 SATA HDD
592 [06:21:42] <karuvally> by the way, just ask on #hardware for the RAID controller on this motherboard
593 [06:21:48] <COOurb> Also there is UEFY tool, but it full-CLI without any manual about using it
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595 [06:22:18] <karuvally> COOurb, all the websites I looked so far are not listing the controller
596 [06:24:40] <COOurb> in hw they said that HW is not faster than software
597 [06:24:42] <COOurb> wtf?
598 [06:24:44] <karuvally> I just read on Wikipedia that most motherboards come with "hardware assisted software RAID", which is not the real hardware RAID
599 [06:25:42] <karuvally> COOurb, I have no idea :| but when we were planning to buy workstations for our computer lab, we went for 3rd party hardware RAID cards even though the motherboards had inbuilt RAID support
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601 [06:27:02] <karuvally> the specific thing on your motherboard is most probably not hardware RAID, but the "hardware assisted software RAID", also known as fake RAID
602 [06:27:04] <karuvally> here you go replaced-url
603 [06:27:55] <karuvally> COOurb, it might also be the reason why no website is listing the RAID controller. Because there simply isn't one
604 [06:28:18] <COOurb> kek
605 [06:28:19] <rant> yes fake raid is still visible to the OS as individual drives, where real hw raid the OS has no idea what's going on behind the conroller
606 [06:28:22] <COOurb> what a world
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608 [06:29:40] <karuvally> yeah :D
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612 [06:31:30] <okee> Is there a way to upgrade from testing to stable? Or do I need a fresh install?
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618 [06:33:20] <Tom-_> !pin
619 [06:33:20] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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621 [06:33:36] <Tom-_> okee, yeah it's possible with pinning
622 [06:33:40] <Tom-_> sort of
623 [06:33:48] <okee> Can someone refresh me as to what the command is for installing from a remote source when an OS is already installed on the computer?
624 [06:34:09] <okee> Tom-_ is it worth it? Pinning? Or will it be easier with a fresh install?
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629 [06:35:04] <okee> I don't have an extra memory stick and can't recall the ssh command for installing from a remote sourcce.
630 [06:35:08] <Tom-_> maybe a fresh install would be better for you
631 [06:35:18] <Tom-_> it's not for newbies
632 [06:35:31] <Tom-_> i mean forced downgrades is not for newbies
633 [06:35:31] <karuvally> Tom-_, I didn't knew such a thing existed... thanks
634 [06:35:42] <Tom-_> it's what i'm here for
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641 [06:40:57] <okee> I found these commands, but don't see how to do this with a remote source replaced-url
642 [06:41:00] <somiaj> okee: there is no supported way to downgrade from testing to stable, reinstall.
643 [06:41:07] <somiaj> !partial downgrade
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645 [06:41:22] <somiaj> dselect: partial downgrade
646 [06:41:23] <dselect> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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648 [06:42:06] <okee> somiaj> Where is the command for doing a fresh install from a remote source? I can't find it.
649 [06:42:41] <somiaj> you can't directly
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651 [06:42:50] <somiaj> you can eitehr 1) use pxe boot, and pxe via netboot the installer
652 [06:43:15] <somiaj> or 2) use an installer image, and answer a few questions, about 5-10 steps in, you can then run an ssh server to finisht he install, but you still need install medium to install it
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654 [06:46:35] <okee> Don't I need a pixe server in order to use pxe?
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656 [06:47:24] <somiaj> yes, you would need a pxe server to boot from
657 [06:47:38] <somiaj> if you have a seperate partition you can manually install with debootstrap, there are also other methods
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926 [08:57:34] <likcoras> Hm, ever since the recent ffmpeg update, I get segfaults when I try to take a screenshot.
927 [08:57:37] <likcoras> from mpv
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929 [09:02:40] <rant> likcoras: check the bts, file a bug
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931 [09:04:06] <rant> in the meantime try another player like smplayer, vlc, or such
932 [09:04:10] <likcoras> Will do
933 [09:04:22] <rant> smplayer works with both mpv and mplayer as a backend
934 [09:05:03] <rant> well perhaps I should say either not both
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942 [09:15:06] <jarlopez> Are there performance differences to keep in mind when deciding whether to stick with the nouveau drivers instead of Nvidia's proprietary ones?
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945 [09:15:52] <babilen> In that nouveau is slower than the proprietary ones?
946 [09:15:55] <rant> for most people tthere is the performance difeerence that noveau doesn't work :P
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948 [09:16:16] <babilen> Is that just *very* slow? ;)
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951 [09:18:48] <jarlopez> Hah. I'm not using my dedicated GPU, so the drivers are less of a concern. Rather, I'm looking for a way to consistently use the integrated one for battery reasons
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953 [09:19:49] <rant> ugh.. optimus? x.x
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955 [09:20:16] <jarlopez> Mhmm
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959 [09:21:40] <rant> thats not nvidia.. that's nvidiAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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967 [09:24:54] <whoami> hello, I am upgrading my system, and I want to know what does each update does (does it fix something, change something...); how can I do that ? I know I can show the package, but there doesn't seem to be a way to know that (I also searched online but found nothing)
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974 [09:27:54] <rant> whoami: install apt-listchanges and possibly apt-listbugs it will display the changelogs and bug reports on packages installed
975 [09:27:54] <annadane> apt changelog foo
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977 [09:30:09] <rant> whoami: to clarify those packages do this WHEN installing something
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979 [09:30:22] <rant> you can always do it at anytime without those
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981 [09:30:43] <rant> changelogs are shipped with the packages and available online
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985 [09:31:50] <whoami> awesome, apt changelog does the job
986 [09:31:52] <whoami> thanks
987 [09:32:25] <whoami> is it normal to get some 404 for some packages
988 [09:32:26] <whoami> ?
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991 [09:33:06] <babilen> Only if you haven't updated the lists in a while
992 [09:33:13] <rant> not really, usually a 404 on apt operations is a result of he cache being stale
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995 [09:33:41] <rant> the package in your cache no longer exists on the mirror, in which case you need to apt update to refresh your cache
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997 [09:34:07] <annadane> apt will generally tell you "try --fix-missing" or such
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1000 [09:34:15] <rant> and again, to clairify I mean the specific version of the package
1001 [09:34:16] <annadane> or just apt update until it works
1002 [09:34:30] <annadane> or if it really doesn't work i guess change the mirror
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1005 [09:36:29] <whoami> ok, apt update doesn't change that, I probably need to change the mirror then
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1007 [09:36:31] <whoami> thanks again
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1036 [09:58:57] <watmm> Hi, i'm hopin someone here can remind me where the file is that contains all of dpkg's installed packages and their versions? I have an issue with apt trying to download libcrypt3etup12:amd64 - note the typo, i would like to fix it
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1041 [10:04:27] <mattgirv> watmm: /var/lib/dpkg/status
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1044 [10:08:12] <watmm> mattgirv: Thanks, just found it. Reinstalled said package and removed one other corrupt .deb and it seems ok now
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1048 [10:09:23] <mattgirv> Cool. No idea how you ended up with that package, third party repo?
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1062 [10:19:45] <watmm> mattgirv: It's for disk encryption
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1064 [10:20:26] <oo_miguel> Is the haskell-stack package in debian stable so outdated that it is useless?
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1067 [10:21:25] <oo_miguel> because for some reaon 'stack upgrade' gives me an error: failed to parse field extra-deps...
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1070 [10:23:24] <klys> oo dpkg
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1072 [10:23:47] <oo_miguel> hmm what exactly?
1073 [10:24:07] <klys> oh, I'm not sure. haskell? o'
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1076 [10:28:03] <klys> it seems unstable's haskell-stack depends on: gcc, libgmp-dev, make, xz-utils, ca-certificates, libc6 (>= 2.27), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libgmp10, libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.3), libyaml-0-2, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
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1078 [10:28:35] <klys> ,v libc6
1079 [10:28:36] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3
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1082 [10:31:16] <klys> ,v libsqlite3-0
1083 [10:31:17] <judd> Package: libsqlite3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.7.13-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 3.7.13-1+deb7u4; jessie-security: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u1; jessie: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 3.16.2-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.16.2-5+deb9u1; buster: 3.24.0-1; sid: 3.24.0-1
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1112 [10:49:00] <oo_miguel> aaah, maybe I did not explain clearly: apt itself installs haskell-stack without errors. The problem occurs afterwards when i run 'stack' ('stack upgrade' oder 'stack new')
1113 [10:49:11] <oo_miguel> s/oder/or
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1115 [10:51:47] <klys> oo_miguel, it seems you would not have to upgrade sqlite, so perhaps you can beat this with a minimal libc upgrade. is there a reason you're pinned to stable now?
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1118 [10:58:33] <oo_miguel> klys: The only reason is I use stable for years and I am afraid that upgrading to buster will make my system unstable and insecure.
1119 [10:58:54] <oo_miguel> but there is no particular reason I need stable
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1123 [11:00:20] <oo_miguel> also I wonder what is 'less secure'. downloading the latest haskell-stack binary (from the creators) by hand OR upgrading to buster
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1125 [11:00:51] <klys> oo_miguel, perhaps you can come to #debian-next and see if there is anything you won't like so much.
1126 [11:01:42] <oo_miguel> klys: I like the idea, however it seems I need some sort of invitation
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1136 [11:05:52] <oo_miguel> thank you
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1141 [11:11:09] <annadane> oo_miguel, it's on irc.oftc.net
1142 [11:11:12] <annadane> !debian-next
1143 [11:11:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1144 [11:11:17] <annadane> god damn bots!
1145 [11:11:18] <annadane> oh
1146 [11:11:41] <oo_miguel> oh then I just joined the right one by accident :P
1147 [11:11:48] <oo_miguel> and tried the one on freenode before
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1149 [11:11:54] <oo_miguel> thank you
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1155 [11:12:42] <annadane> and basically it depends on your use case
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1157 [11:13:07] <annadane> buster and sid, obviously, can break (though there's plenty of anecdotal evidence from people saying "i ran sid for 20 years with no issues" blah blah blah
1158 [11:13:24] <annadane> (which isn't true for sid, i've had 2 or 3 serious problems in a year)
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1161 [11:15:21] <oo_miguel> annadane: If i decide to upgrade, I would just go for 'testing' for a start. In general it is also not the end of the world for me if 'things break' temporarily once in a while... depends how badly they break. :P
1162 [11:15:52] <oo_miguel> unnoticed data corruption or something would be quite bad :P
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1165 [11:16:14] <annadane> keep backups, have some kind of rescue medium, the installer has one, or debian live etc, have some way to reach irc support (like irssi which can be reached via tty)
1166 [11:16:39] <shtrb> annadane, you can run 20 years without problems (if you don't update :D )
1167 [11:17:43] <shtrb> keeping backups is fun making sure the backups can be restore is even better
1168 [11:17:46] <annadane> oo_miguel, given your case you may consider fixing the problem in stable if you don't want to expose yourself to the risks of testing
1169 [11:17:54] <oo_miguel> annadane: I have a secondary computer so resuce medium and irssi are not an issue. I also promise myself to make regular backups all the time..
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1175 [11:19:26] <oo_miguel> annadane: I will think about it, maybe I start using testing on my secodnary computer (laptop) first to get a feel
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1177 [11:19:36] <oo_miguel> thank you very much for your suggestions
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1181 [11:23:01] <annadane> and i kind of hate saying this because it carries the implication that testing/unstable are notoriously unreliable and should only be used as a last ditch resort etc
1182 [11:23:31] <annadane> which isn't true, but like, if you depend on your machine to work then testing/sid _can_ break, it depends on what the end user wants
1183 [11:23:49] <annadane> having a second computer is indeed very helpful
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1185 [11:26:01] <annadane> i basically want to run unstable at some point but do want a second computer first so i'm not SOL when things break
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1188 [11:26:59] <annadane> obviously not everyone likes stable, in spite of what the community says. packages *are* old and for some people it's not acceptable. but it all depends on the user's preferences
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1194 [11:31:21] <rant> you really only need a second partitiion or hdd or run it in a vm
1195 [11:32:02] <annadane> well, maybe, obviously the annoyance then is lack of space
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1197 [11:32:36] <rant> Can anyone tell me how to install grub onto an external drive I have with another stretch install from a chroot without including the stretch install on the internal drive?
1198 [11:32:36] <mattgirv> I run unstable here too, I think in the last couple of years I've only had a couple of breakages, and it's always been easy to roll back or fix.
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1202 [11:34:39] <annadane> it's relative. you just don't want your productivity tools to go down the night before a project is due, etc
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1207 [11:36:58] <mattgirv> annadane: Yeah it's generally a good idea /not/ too update everything the night before your important due date. ;p Sods law and all that.
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1214 [11:39:25] <rant> I'd also be helpful if anyone can tell me if this bug I filed this morning #904070 is confirmable, I updated a stretch system and hplip-gui no longer starts any of the tools the hp-systray or hp-toolbox
1215 [11:39:52] <annadane> judd: bug 904070
1216 [11:39:53] <judd> Sorry, the requested bug was not found.
1217 [11:40:14] <annadane> replaced-url
1218 [11:40:19] <rant> though I suppose I could do that myself on another machine.. but that doesn't rule out pebcak :P
1219 [11:41:03] <fpat> what is pebcak?
1220 [11:41:15] <rant> problem exists between chair and keyboard
1221 [11:41:25] <fpat> ah, heh
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1224 [11:42:04] <rant> also pebkac
1225 [11:42:27] <p0g0_> also PICNIC, Problem In Chair, Not In Computer
1226 [11:42:35] <rant> most frequent cause of issues
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1232 [11:43:40] <rant> I fought for days witth cups/hplip only to fix that and break the hplip-gui.. was kinda annoying
1233 [11:43:43] <mattgirv> rant: You sure it isn't a python issue? py2/3?
1234 [11:43:59] <rant> pretty sure if its not ME or local config issue, it IS a python issue
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1237 [11:44:12] <rant> the errors mentioned QT4 and the packages it installed were Q5
1238 [11:44:53] <rant> if someone confirms it, its a serious problem.. if not then I gotta do more digging
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1241 [11:47:25] <rant> p0g0_: I forget about that one, I think I may have to start using that acronym.. has a nice ring to it
1242 [11:47:53] <p0g0_> It's a great one, and not that common (yet).
1243 [11:48:04] <rant> ants are bugs, they appear at picnics..
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1245 [11:48:45] <rant> now all we gotta do is figure out what ANTS are an acronym for :P
1246 [11:50:20] <p0g0_> Another NT System?
1247 [11:50:31] <mattgirv> rant: replaced-url
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1252 [11:51:53] <rant> mattgirv: I wasn't aware of that, but it also produces a python traceback so its looking more and more like a python issue
1253 [11:51:54] <limbo_> I'm trying to run dpkg, but I get an error like "addgroup: The group `input' already exists as a system group. Exiting." and it freezes. First time it was a different group.
1254 [11:52:11] <limbo_> Anyone know what's up. on ARM64 debian stretch.
1255 [11:52:11] <mattgirv> rant: It will be, because it uses pyqt bindings.
1256 [11:52:48] <mattgirv> rant: that binary should tell you any issues with particular libraries, or if libraries are missing from your system.
1257 [11:53:14] <rant> I'm gonna try installing it here and see if I can reproduce the error on another machine because my machine is native stretch the other was upgraded from jessie a while back
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1259 [11:53:47] <rant> mattgirv: it might have if it didnt result in a traceback :P
1260 [11:54:54] <mattgirv> fwiw, replaced-url
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1264 [11:55:38] <rant> well I may have been mistaken but it looked like the deps it had installed were python3 I can check the log
1265 [11:56:51] <rant> mattgirv: yes the stuff it removed and installed when I had purged and reinstalled were python3
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1269 [11:58:11] <rant> so apparenly our mainaitainers had upgraded it or something
1270 [11:58:32] <rant> probably trying to be ready for future migration to python3
1271 [11:59:02] <rant> and I'd purged it BEFORE updating the system to the point release
1272 [11:59:13] <rant> and both show pyhon3 packages
1273 [11:59:48] <rant> but SOMETHING changed that broke it at least on that one machine.. I'm gonna install it on mine and see if the toolbox/tray etc run
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1277 [12:00:29] <mattgirv> rant: Nah I don't know for sure, just had a look on their site at the dependencies as I assumed that'd be the latest version. Might have been an old page?
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1279 [12:01:03] <mattgirv> But either way, it's QT4.x anyway, so you'd need pyqt4
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1281 [12:01:12] <rant> possibly who knows.. I was just trying to determine if this is something affecting all stretch users, and would worry about the fix after its confirmed
1282 [12:03:38] <rant> another reason I didnt want to confirm it myself aside from rule out pebcak was that my system until I resolve my grub issue, is running on an 8gb SSD and idk if I got the space to do it.. but about to find out
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1287 [12:06:02] * rant found a few things he could rm to make room for an update and install
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1289 [12:06:34] <mattgirv> rant: Haven't got a stable system to check on here, but it builds/runs on sid with no issues
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1292 [12:07:33] <mattgirv> Make sure you have python-pyqt4 installed, you filtered for python3 packages so i can't see it in your log/bug report.
1293 [12:08:10] <rant> yeah it worked fine here too until I update/upgraded the system.. which sent up red flags when something goes tango uniform on stable
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1301 [12:08:51] <rant> ,depends hplip-gui
1302 [12:08:53] <judd> Package hplip-gui in stretch/amd64 -- depends: default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, gksu | kdebase-bin (<< 4:4.4.0-1) | kde-runtime | kdebase-runtime | kdesudo | ktsuss, hplip (>= 3.16.11+repack0-3), python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5, python3-pyqt5.
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1304 [12:09:03] <rant> it doesnt depend on that
1305 [12:09:20] <rant> ,depends hplip-gui stretch
1306 [12:09:22] <judd> Package hplip-gui in stretch/amd64 -- depends: default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, gksu | kdebase-bin (<< 4:4.4.0-1) | kde-runtime | kdebase-runtime | kdesudo | ktsuss, hplip (>= 3.16.11+repack0-3), python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5, python3-pyqt5.
1307 [12:09:36] <rant> doh, it was already showing stretch :P
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1309 [12:09:59] <rant> it depends on python3-pyqt5
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1314 [12:10:57] <rant> if it actually requires python2 deps as you seem to gather from upstream, thten THATs the issue
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1317 [12:11:05] <rant> the maintainer fudged the depends
1318 [12:11:49] <rant> which is a pretty serious issue as lots of people depend on these utils to manage printer as in this case for their work
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1320 [12:13:32] <rant> and such folk expect a stable upgrade to not break their stuff :P
1321 [12:13:41] <rant> this is Debian not Ubuntu
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1323 [12:16:30] <shtrb> maybe there is something new instead of hplip-gui ?
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1326 [12:17:00] <mattgirv> rant: Like I said I was only going off the HP site, there might be some way to build it against python3 instead or qt5 instead of qt4, and HP might have just been lazy with their error messages.
1327 [12:17:23] <rant> shtrb: yeah.. its called localhost:631 :P my father isn't big on new stuff
1328 [12:17:32] <mattgirv> I just checked anyway, and it does rely on qt5/python3, unlike the HP site implies.
1329 [12:17:37] <shtrb> that's cups
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1331 [12:17:41] <diverdude> I am trying to create startup disk in debian. I am folloing a tutorial. First i did dd if=...iso of=/dev/sdg1 and then it says: "in the Disks GUI, when you click on the newly created partition on the USB drive, you should see (Bootable)". What the f... is the Disks GUI?
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1333 [12:17:57] <shtrb> rant, but hplip had a very good record in the past
1334 [12:17:58] <mattgirv> rant: What was your output from hp-check?
1335 [12:18:03] <rant> shtrb: yeah well hplip-gui is only a gui for managing the printer same as cups does
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1345 [12:22:54] <rant> hmm.. the toolbox came up for me on this system
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1347 [12:23:47] <rant> and I did an update/upgrade first and have the same version
1348 [12:24:06] * rant goes back to debugging the other machine
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1350 [12:24:46] <annadane> stable bugs = ugh
1351 [12:25:04] <annadane> not the maintainer's fault but yuck
1352 [12:25:15] <mattgirv> Doesn't really sound like a bug
1353 [12:25:20] <mattgirv> more like a system/configuration problem.
1354 [12:25:33] <rant> does now.
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1358 [12:27:02] <rant> mattgirv: replaced-url
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1360 [12:27:47] <annadane> invalid link. replaced-url
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1363 [12:28:10] <rant> trailing slash I guess
1364 [12:28:11] <p0g0_> too many "T" in nett
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1366 [12:28:14] <annadane> no; "nett"
1367 [12:28:30] <rant> ah.. yeah my T key is broken and I typed not pasted it
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1369 [12:29:01] <rant> I need a new keyboard
1370 [12:29:14] <rant> this little chinese keyboard seen better days
1371 [12:29:38] <mattgirv> rant: Are you missing the /etc/hp/hplip.conf file?
1372 [12:29:53] <mattgirv> rant: Because I just moved mine to test, and I have the exact same callback/issues that you're having.
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1374 [12:30:55] <rant> yes cause the original two issues were that 1) cups wasn't letting me do anyhing not even login and kept saying unauthorized and 2) there were many duplicate printers I couldnt remove thatt were surviving purge/reinsalls so I rm -rf everyhing cups and hplip and for w/e reason reinsalling didn recreate that file
1375 [12:31:19] <rant> somehow it knew hplip had been installed before and wasnt recreating that
1376 [12:32:06] <mattgirv> --force-confmiss
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1378 [12:32:26] <rant> I fixed cups and hplip by an elaborate purge, rm -rf, killing all hplip/cups processes, update, upgrade, reinstall
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1381 [12:32:40] <rant> but it broke hplip-gui
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1384 [12:35:19] <rant> yeah idk what to do with that apt --force-confmiss with any combination of just that, install hplip-gui or just hplip-gui all produce the error E: Command line option --force-confmiss is not understood in combination with the other options
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1388 [12:36:06] <mattgirv> rant: apt --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install hplip-gui
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1390 [12:37:35] <rant> apparently that file is provided by hplip not hplip-gui and doing that with hplip produces this error twice Can't open /etc/hp/hplip.conf: No such file or directory.
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1407 [12:47:36] <rant> mattgirv: replaced-url
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1409 [12:49:04] <diverdude> How do i make a bootable USB on debian wheezy?
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1412 [12:51:59] <rant> same way you do on every other linux system..
1413 [12:52:07] <rant> diverdude: you you mean write an ISO?
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1416 [12:53:22] <rant> diverdude: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX or whatever the device node is for the USB drive
1417 [12:53:45] <rant> can also use dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX
1418 [12:53:56] <diverdude> rant: yeah i downloaded an iso image of a linux distro and i want to put it on usb so that i can install it via that usb on another machine
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1421 [12:54:19] <diverdude> rant: i tried the dd command but it did not make a bootable device
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1426 [12:56:19] <rant> diverdude: did you use the device node of the disk and not a partition?
1427 [12:56:26] <diverdude> rant: i also tried the unetbootin program but also did not work
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1429 [12:56:48] <rant> its possible the ISO is not bootable or corrupt
1430 [12:56:49] <diverdude> rant: ahh i used /dev/sdg1 - should it have been /dev/sdg ?
1431 [12:56:59] <rant> yes you write to the disk not a partition
1432 [12:57:10] <diverdude> rant: aha ok...i shall try that
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1437 [12:58:31] <vvor> diverdude: be sure to md5sum the ISO file first
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1461 [13:09:05] <rocketmagnet> hi all
1462 [13:09:23] <diverdude> hi rocketmagnet
1463 [13:09:29] <diverdude> how are you doing bro
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1466 [13:09:33] <incal> when I run sudo apt-get upgrade on Debian it says mmm-mode Cannot open
1467 [13:09:33] <incal> load file cl-lib? any ideas? (require 'cl-lib) from Emacs evaluates
1468 [13:09:33] <incal> alright
1469 [13:09:45] <petn-randall> !bat
1470 [13:09:45] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1471 [13:09:48] <rocketmagnet> diverdude: getting mad with joomla atm :X
1472 [13:09:56] <rocketmagnet> and u ?
1473 [13:10:01] <petn-randall> incal: We'll need *all* of the info above from the factoid. ^^^
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1475 [13:10:18] <diverdude> rocketmagnet: yeah thats why you should stay away from joomla dude...it will just make you mad
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1477 [13:10:36] <rocketmagnet> i got cheap money for a very simple page
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1479 [13:10:37] <petn-randall> rocketmagnet, diverdude, if you don't have any support questions could you move over to #debian-offtopic? Cheers.
1480 [13:10:39] <jelly> diverdude: keep this channel for tech support please, chat in #debian-offtopic
1481 [13:11:14] <rocketmagnet> understood ...
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1494 [13:18:13] <rafalcpp> how to configure static eth.. names for eth cards, using udev rules, or using /etc/iftab ?
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1499 [13:21:13] <incal> petn-randall: replaced-url
1500 [13:21:56] <annadane> !debian-next
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1502 [13:21:59] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1503 [13:22:00] <annadane> incal, ^
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1506 [13:22:55] <incal> annadane: I'm not following?
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1509 [13:23:32] <annadane> your apt policy indicates sid, thus you're on debian unstable
1510 [13:23:39] <annadane> #debian is really only for stable
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1514 [13:24:11] <incal> aha, can I change the sources into stable and upgrade into that instead then?
1515 [13:24:16] <annadane> nope
1516 [13:24:29] <annadane> debian doesn't really support downgrades like that. you can *try*, via
1517 [13:24:32] <annadane> !partial downgrade
1518 [13:24:35] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
1519 [13:24:55] <annadane> if you want stable, i suggest you back up what you need and reinstall
1520 [13:25:31] <incal> isn't that to burn down the house in order to kill the rats?
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1522 [13:26:40] <annadane> i suppose it is. but it's up to you. you can go through a partial downgrade procedure which may/probably not work, stay on sid and deal with any breakage that results, or backup and reinstall debian which will give you stable
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1525 [13:27:28] <incal> do people work on the sid packs, i.e. will the upgrade possibly work in the future?
1526 [13:27:38] <annadane> you're your own administrator at home (and i hope this isn't a corporate environment or server) so it's entirely up to you, but if you don't even know sid = unstable, you won't be able to deal with the problems that can occur
1527 [13:27:44] <blackflow> proper analogy would be to dismantle the house so you can build it, grounds up, with previous version of the materials. weaker ground floor walls that can't support newer, thicker upper floor walls.
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1533 [13:28:06] <petn-randall> incal: You didn't list the actual commands you ran in the paste. Line 38 suggests you ran "apt upgrade", which doesn't make much sense when running testing/unstable. Then in line 152 you're all of a sudden upgrading packaging, which seems to not belong to the previous command.
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1535 [13:29:00] <petn-randall> incal: Also, if you run sid, *you're* the beta-tester, so you should know how to debug things in Debian, and file bug reports accordingly.
1536 [13:29:23] <jelly> depending on how much stuff you installed from sid, doing that partial downgrade might be easy, or it might be unworkable
1537 [13:30:22] <incal> ok, so people do work on this. Emacs should have many users so it should be dealt discovered and dealt with quickly, most likely an Elisp issue but shouldn't brake the install process but rather brake within Emacs one would think
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1547 [13:35:00] <annadane> well, then one would file a bug report against emacs in sid
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1549 [13:35:09] <annadane> i haven't really looked at the specific issue
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1551 [13:36:11] <XsiSec> Hi guys how do I reset the toolbar in nemo within debian? I installed a theme package that changed the toolbar icons size. thank you in advance
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1555 [13:39:30] <incal> annadane: no kidding
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1557 [13:39:42] <annadane> if you don't want the breakage, stick to stable
1558 [13:39:57] <annadane> if you want to file bugs (and preferably have a second computer to bail out to), use sid
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1583 [13:57:15] <znull> hey, i'm on debian stretch, i would like to install nginx from buster. (just nginx ) is that possible?
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1590 [14:01:08] <bites> ,v nginx
1591 [14:01:09] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.13.12-1; sid:
1592 [14:01:10] <judd> 1.13.12-1
1593 [14:01:23] <bites> znull: is nginx from stretch-backports good enough?
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1595 [14:02:00] <znull> bites, NGINX 1.13.9 i need, for http2_push
1596 [14:02:21] <annadane> definitely don't use the one for buster, it depends on a newer libc6 which will install and completely wreck your debian stable
1597 [14:02:42] <annadane> as said, stretch-backports is a sane option
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1599 [14:03:45] <iTeV> Yeah, otherwise you might end up with a borked debian install
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1622 [14:12:35] * ayekat finds it semantically awkward that update-grub2 is a symlink to update-grub, and not vice-versa
1623 [14:13:06] <blackflow> ayekat: how so. newer links to older. sounds sane to me.
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1625 [14:13:42] <ayekat> blackflow: I'm more used to "generic links to specific", so maybe that's why I find it weird
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1628 [14:16:04] <ayekat> like python → python2.7, or just any unversioned .so file in /usr/lib
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1630 [14:16:22] <ayekat> anyway, not complaining - just wondering ^^
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1632 [14:17:56] <av77> I am looking for a company that hires sysadmin.. any recommendation..in europe
1633 [14:18:26] <blackflow> ayekat: true, but those are governed by different rules. python is governed by pep-394. grub is now grub2, but update-grub2 is just the old update-grub, thus symlinked that way. .so files are as you expect, generic soname linking to specific version.
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1637 [14:20:28] <ayekat> blackflow: but then when, say, update-grub3 comes around one day, and then becomes the new standard, there's going to be quite a few relations to be changed :-)
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1639 [14:21:18] <blackflow> ayekat: why? update-grub2 would disappear, and update-grub3 would symlink to update-grub :)
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1644 [14:23:05] <ayekat> and update-grub itself would change ownership (grub2 → grub3)
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1649 [14:24:20] <blackflow> it's just different rules describing relationship. what you suggest is equally sane (generic -> specific) as it is now (new -> old (because functionality of it is unchanged))
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1651 [14:24:51] <ayekat> yeah, I guess there are two ways to look at it
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1777 [15:30:36] <Fox> raspbian != debian
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1787 [15:34:45] <annadane> is it raspbian though?
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1789 [15:35:01] <annadane> i don't know, i don't use debian on a raspberry
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1799 [15:36:20] <Linux_Port5000> hi
1800 [15:36:22] <Linux_Port5000> howare you
1801 [15:36:24] <Linux_Port5000> how are you?
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1803 [15:37:25] <shrek> tired
1804 [15:38:03] <annadane> !raspbian
1805 [15:38:07] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1807 [15:38:13] <annadane> limbo_, *if* you're using raspbian, try asking there
1808 [15:38:17] <annadane> apologies if not
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1815 [15:40:45] <annadane> okay, so replaced-url
1816 [15:40:52] <annadane> raspbian would be something seperate
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1819 [15:41:46] <annadane> last modified 2016, so idk if that article applies to stretch
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1823 [15:44:13] <opv> hi all, i just installed varnish from the debian repos (deb9, stretch), and i can't find its systemd config file.
1824 [15:44:25] <opv> systemctl list-units tell me a varnish.service unit exists, but there is nothing in /etc/systemd or /usr/lib/systemd
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1826 [15:44:29] <opv> thank you for your asistance
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1828 [15:44:51] <greycat> replaced-url
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1830 [15:45:12] <opv> yes, it shows so under systemctl list-units. but the file is not in the two mentioned directories
1831 [15:45:14] <blackflow> opv: doesn't the Loaded line show you where it's loaded from?
1832 [15:45:24] <greycat> Debian uses /lib/systemd/system/ instead of /usr/lib/systemd/whatever
1833 [15:45:26] <blackflow> systemctl status varnish.service
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1835 [15:45:50] <greycat> Also, you don't actually need to know whether it's in /lib or /usr/lib
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1839 [15:46:35] <opv> thank you all
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1868 [15:58:47] <BrnP> hi
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1871 [15:59:56] <BrnP> about unattended-upgrades, I'd like to better understand how it works
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1877 [16:00:48] <rant> BrnP: replaced-url
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1882 [16:03:17] <BrnP> thanks, already checked that page. More specifically, I'd like to understand how the update/upgrades are scheduled. Found a "apt-compat" script in /etc/cron-daily. It is supposed to launch /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily ...
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1884 [16:04:13] <BrnP> is that how unattended upgrades are scheduled? And what is the meaning of the top first lines: if [ -d /run/systemd/system ]; then exit 0.
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1887 [16:05:29] <BrnP> it would mean that upgrades are scheduled via a systemd-specific timer but where would its configuration file be?
1888 [16:05:41] <rant> BrnP: means if that path is a directory it exits the script
1889 [16:05:54] <greycat> If it's Debian and it's a config file, it's somewhere in /etc.
1890 [16:05:56] <BrnP> yes, I can read bash, and that directory exists
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1892 [16:06:19] <rant> BrnP: it randomizes the timer so as to not have everyone hitting the mirrors at the same time
1893 [16:06:28] <BrnP> yes
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1904 [16:09:21] <TomyWork> I got a bug report for my package, supposedly from debian stretch: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/mypackage.postinst: 46: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mypackage.postinst: systemctl: not found" - line 46 is "systemctl daemon-reload"
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1906 [16:09:39] <greycat> sounds like something broke the PATH variable
1907 [16:09:44] <TomyWork> I suspect they're lying to me and tried to install the package on wheezy
1908 [16:09:50] <greycat> ... or that.
1909 [16:10:14] <themill> or they are using sysvinit
1910 [16:10:26] <TomyWork> Devuan folks? :D
1911 [16:10:34] <themill> TomyWork: can you pastebin the entire postinst?
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1913 [16:10:42] <greycat> doesn't reportbug include which init system is in use?
1914 [16:10:42] <TomyWork> sorry, I can't
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1917 [16:11:18] <themill> invocations of systemctl should have appropriate guards around it
1918 [16:11:20] <themill> greycat: yes
1919 [16:11:28] <greycat> although I guess if yours is a third-party package, the user can't use reportbug on it
1920 [16:11:42] <petn-randall> TomyWork: sysvinit is still installable on stretch as PID1, so you shouldn't assume it's there without depending on it.
1921 [16:11:54] <TomyWork> unfortunately they have destroyed and recreated the VM in question already
1922 [16:12:02] <terrible> i want to know if my new laptop dell inspiron 5566 in full compatible with gnu/linux
1923 [16:12:04] <terrible> ?
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1925 [16:12:41] <TomyWork> terrible in an ideal world, dell would tell you if it is
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1927 [16:13:08] <TomyWork> in this world, try a live cd
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1929 [16:13:11] <themill> TomyWork: dh_systemd_start (or its newer replacements) should be dealing with all that for you, and they include things like: if [ -d /run/systemd/system ]
1930 [16:13:28] <TomyWork> themill i'm not using debhelper
1931 [16:14:33] <TomyWork> and the system requirements list debian stretch with systemd
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1933 [16:14:55] <petn-randall> TomyWork: Then your package should be depending on it.
1934 [16:14:59] <terrible> TomyWork, ok but what desktop environment give me advance options like bluetooth devices and so on
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1936 [16:15:00] <terrible> ?
1937 [16:15:17] <TomyWork> petn-randall hey, i think i at least planned to do that. let me check :)
1938 [16:15:28] <petn-randall> terrible: Every one?
1939 [16:15:43] <petn-randall> I wouldn't call handling bluetooth "advanced".
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1945 [16:17:47] <terrible> petn-randall, ok what about graphic card i have a intell can i get good performed in linux
1946 [16:17:48] <terrible> ?
1947 [16:17:56] <TomyWork> petn-randall well, on ubuntu 14.04, i can use my dell precision m4800's bluetooth chip only if i install what i believe are nonfree drivers
1948 [16:18:10] <TomyWork> so on debian, those wouldn't exist, right?
1949 [16:18:22] <greycat> If it's a laptop, you should expect to need non-free firmware and/or drivers.
1950 [16:18:33] <greycat> Unless you specced one *specifically* to use only free stuff.
1951 [16:18:40] <annadane> pretty much that ^. debian does have non-free images you can use
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1953 [16:18:58] <TomyWork> ah, that's news to me
1954 [16:19:03] <BCMM> TomyWork: nonfree *driver*? or just firmware?
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1956 [16:19:05] <greycat> !firmware images
1957 [16:19:12] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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1960 [16:19:15] <TomyWork> BCMM i think the later
1961 [16:19:21] <TomyWork> ubuntu calls it driver
1962 [16:19:24] <BCMM> TomyWork: at any rate, there is non-free software available in debian; you just need to explicitly enable it
1963 [16:19:47] <terrible> ok what about graphic card i have a intell can i get good performed in linux
1964 [16:19:49] <TomyWork> bcmwl-kernel-source
1965 [16:20:08] <greycat> "a intell" is not very precise
1966 [16:20:11] <TomyWork> terrible no and not on windows either, i'm afraid
1967 [16:20:17] <TomyWork> :D
1968 [16:20:43] <annadane> intel cards are "generally" fine, nvidia on the other hand...
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1970 [16:21:10] <greycat> Recent-ish intel builtin GPUs are pretty good.
1971 [16:21:10] <TomyWork> yeah i'm lucky i can use all the ports that are soldered to the nvidia chip but not the intel chip
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1973 [16:21:14] <BCMM> terrible: intel graphics should work very well on linux. intel is very actively involved with the driver, etc.
1974 [16:21:16] <TomyWork> (optimus crap here)
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1976 [16:21:30] <terrible> TomyWork, ok so i should i do before install debian on my laptop?
1977 [16:21:51] <TomyWork> try a live image
1978 [16:22:06] <greycat> If you already own the laptop, try the non-free firmware installer image and see how it goes.
1979 [16:22:29] <TomyWork> listen to them, they know more :)
1980 [16:22:48] <terrible> greycat, where i can get that?
1981 [16:22:56] <greycat> !firmware images
1982 [16:23:04] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
1983 [16:23:37] <greycat> "try a live image" is good advice if you're still shopping for the laptop and haven't decided whether to buy it yet
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1985 [16:23:38] <terrible> greycat, sorry i new in linux can you send me the link for that image?
1986 [16:23:51] <greycat> terrible: The bot JUST TOLD YOU, AGAIN.
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1988 [16:24:04] <petn-randall> terrible: Just read what dpkg wrote.
1989 [16:24:07] <annadane> replaced-url
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1994 [16:26:49] <TomyWork> you guys keep in mind that he probably doesn't want to overwrite the preinstalled windows until he is sure that linux works?
1995 [16:27:04] <terrible> greycat, now i confused if i have a intel proccesor why i have to download the amd64 image i mean why is not a x64 image for intel or what image is the right for intel?
1996 [16:27:08] <greycat> You can shrink the Windows partition(s) from the installer.
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1998 [16:27:33] <greycat> terrible: "amd64" is Debian's name for the 64-bit AMD/Intel PC architecture.
1999 [16:27:46] <TomyWork> terrible amd was first to develop a 64 bit architecture that was directly backwards-compatible to intel's 32 bit instruction set
2000 [16:27:49] <greycat> Since AMD invented it.
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2002 [16:28:04] <TomyWork> so it's named after amd
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2005 [16:28:14] <TomyWork> other distros call it x86_64
2006 [16:28:17] <TomyWork> or x64
2007 [16:28:55] <terrible> so amd64 image is for amd and intel?
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2009 [16:28:59] <TomyWork> yes
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2013 [16:30:38] <terrible> so what is the different between the unoffical non free cd and the normal dvd
2014 [16:30:39] <terrible> ?
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2016 [16:30:54] <greycat> non-free images include the non-free firmware
2017 [16:31:08] <annadane> the debian project has a commitment to only including free software by default
2018 [16:31:12] <annadane> the non free cd... yeah.
2019 [16:31:39] <terrible> greycat, but what does that mean non-free firmware
2020 [16:31:40] <terrible> ?
2021 [16:31:48] <annadane> free as in freedom, not cost
2022 [16:31:50] <annadane> !dfsg
2023 [16:31:56] <annadane> come on you stupid bot
2024 [16:31:59] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
2025 [16:32:08] <greycat> the bot seems sluggish today
2026 [16:32:21] <terrible> sorry i want to undestand before download the image
2027 [16:32:41] <annadane> essentially the source code for the non-free firmware is hidden
2028 [16:32:55] <annadane> thus it does not comply with the principles of the dfsg
2029 [16:34:04] <annadane> dpkg: you're useless
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2031 [16:34:14] * dpkg starts crying and hides in the darkest corner of the room:(
2032 [16:34:40] <blackflow> !botsnack
2033 [16:34:48] <blackflow> hey, how do you reward the thing...
2034 [16:34:49] <dpkg> blackflow: thanks
2035 [16:35:00] <blackflow> oh you _are_ slow today.
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2037 [16:37:17] <annadane> they've gone down a few times over the last few weeks so there's clearly some kind of issue
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2040 [16:37:45] <annadane> terrible, btw what i linked is not the *live* image, so you know
2041 [16:38:02] <greycat> The live images are notoriously bad for installing.
2042 [16:38:17] <annadane> right, but the idea is to test how things work and what firmware is required
2043 [16:38:37] <annadane> er
2044 [16:38:49] <annadane> never mind, i guess if i linked the non-free image then it doesn't matter anyway
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2047 [16:39:52] <terrible> annadane, ok first i boot the system with the live image so what next? if everything is ok how can i notice what firmware i have to use
2048 [16:39:53] <terrible> ?
2049 [16:40:09] <greycat> Just forget the whole live image thing if you already OWN the laptop.
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2054 [16:41:04] <annadane> yeah forget it, just install using the netinst image i gave
2055 [16:41:35] <annadane> if you don't care for ideological reasons about free software or don't have excessive paranoia about something closed source it doesn't matter
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2057 [16:41:56] <annadane> also
2058 [16:41:58] <annadane> !install guide
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2060 [16:42:27] <annadane> replaced-url
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2062 [16:42:59] <annadane> well, at least we still have dselect
2063 [16:43:00] <petn-randall> annadane: Great, now you broke the bot ;)
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2065 [16:44:27] <terrible> ok so it doesnt matter which one i image i installed the firmware-9.5.0-dvd or the normal one debian-9.5.0-dvd?
2066 [16:44:39] <annadane> you're on a laptop, just install the firmware imahe
2067 [16:44:40] <annadane> image
2068 [16:44:53] <annadane> save you a lot of headache
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2070 [16:45:01] <terrible> annadane, but why
2071 [16:45:02] <terrible> ?
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2073 [16:45:10] <annadane> because laptops usually need firmware more than desktops do
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2079 [16:46:05] <petn-randall> terrible: Because your wifi/bluetooth in 99% of the cases needs non-free firmware to work.
2080 [16:46:10] <terrible> ok so for laptop the firmware image and for desktop the normal dvd right
2081 [16:46:10] <terrible> ?
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2083 [16:46:21] <annadane> well that's up to the user really
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2085 [16:46:39] <petn-randall> terrible: You can always install with the "libre" installer, but you might be bound to Ethernet only, then.
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2089 [16:48:32] <A|an> what does the j in tar -xvjf do?
2090 [16:48:37] <greycat> man tar
2091 [16:48:41] <A|an> did that
2092 [16:48:52] <A|an> didn't find j listed
2093 [16:48:57] <A|an> why i'm asking
2094 [16:49:06] <greycat> wooledg:~$ man tar | grep -- -j
2095 [16:49:06] <greycat> -j, --bzip2
2096 [16:49:09] <greycat> Liar.
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2099 [16:49:19] <A|an> :)
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2101 [16:49:21] <A|an> thanks
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2104 [16:50:21] <annadane> "Filter the archive through bzip2(1)."
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2106 [16:51:24] <terrible> but i have to configure myself those firmware with the firmware image i ask cause i new in linux so i guess i cant do it myself
2107 [16:51:25] <terrible> ?
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2109 [16:51:44] <annadane> no
2110 [16:51:48] <annadane> you should be fine to just leave it alone
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2112 [16:52:02] <greycat> If you choose to install a laptop with the regular installer, chances are you will have working ethernet but NOT working wi-fi. So if you're plugged into the ethernet, it'll usually be OK.
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2114 [16:53:53] <terrible> greycat, but i used to have a hp desktop and i installed the normal debian stretch image and i dont get any issues at all
2115 [16:54:04] <greycat> Yay.
2116 [16:54:23] <abrotman> kitten sarcasm is still cute :)
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2118 [16:54:52] <annadane> every computer make/model is different
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2120 [16:55:16] <annadane> if you don't want to use the non-free image then don't, but it might (unless the laptop uses ethernet) make you unable to install debian
2121 [16:55:52] <annadane> alternatively i guess you can install using the non-netinst
2122 [16:55:55] <greycat> well, you'd probably have a minimal install with no networking
2123 [16:56:04] <annadane> right
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2127 [16:57:44] <abrotman> and then the joy of using a usb drive to get the firmware package to the laptop
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2129 [16:58:54] <terrible> greycat, no , everything was working good network driver sound driver even graphic driver with the normal dvd on the hp laptop
2130 [16:59:03] <greycat> So what's the problem?
2131 [16:59:17] <greycat> ... you changed a word.
2132 [16:59:36] <greycat> 10:53 terrible> greycat, but i used to have a hp desktop
2133 [16:59:50] <greycat> 10:58 terrible> greycat, no , ... on the hp laptop
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2135 [17:00:42] <terrible> greycat, the conversation start when i ask if my new dell laptop is full compatible with linux cause my old hp it doesnt have any bluetooth device
2136 [17:00:57] <terrible> but this one does
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2140 [17:03:38] <rafalcpp> anyone knows how ionice works?
2141 [17:03:43] <rafalcpp> how to allow regular user to ionice -n 1
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2148 [17:05:07] <shtrb> terrible, you can check if your dell is fully compatiable if it has an Ubuntu stamp (or listed as shipped with it )
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2155 [17:06:36] <limbo_> annadane: It's regular debian. I probably should have specified.
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2158 [17:07:11] <annadane> limbo_, yeah, i don't use raspbian or debian on a raspberry pi so when someone told you to go to the raspbian support resources it sounded wrong but i couldn't back up my intuition
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2162 [17:08:20] <shtrb> terrible, replaced-url
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2164 [17:08:53] <terrible> shtrb, no my laptop doesnt have any of that
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2166 [17:09:35] <shtrb> in that case you would need to verify by yourself, do you know the model name so maybe we could help you with googling ?
2167 [17:09:37] <greycat> limbo_: very few people in here know the ARM platforms. You might have better luck in #debian-arm on OFTC (not this network) if you don't get answers here.
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2170 [17:10:23] <annadane> oh, okay.
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2172 [17:10:30] <greycat> shtrb: earlier he claimed it's an Inspiron 5566. Then again, he contradicted himself on whether his previous computer was a laptop or a desktop.
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2179 [17:12:35] <shtrb> terrible, and greycat 5566 is listed as Ubuntu certifcated so if it is the exact same model as you have it should be ok replaced-url
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2185 [17:16:29] <terrible> shtrb, so it say it is certification with ubuntu now i dont need the firmware image???
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2187 [17:17:15] <shtrb> You better install with non-free image (with firmware) to have most of it
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2190 [17:17:38] <shtrb> because if it works in ubuntu there is a 99% chance that it need some non free firmware
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2252 [17:46:07] <RichardC> Hey everyone. I've been experiencing an issue with computer slowdowns during periods of high disk IO on my SSD. I've attempted changing the IO scheduler from None to MQ-Deadline but that doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions here?
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2294 [18:00:30] <blackflow> RichardC: what kind of IO specifically? And are you talking about loss of interactivity?
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2297 [18:01:51] <petn-randall> RichardC: Run 'atop' in the background, and then tell us what is in red.
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2307 [18:06:26] <Wowik> in addition to atop, iowaits well shown with nmon (press l and d to see information) and iotop shows disk activity by processes
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2309 [18:09:31] <blackflow> I used to have issues when DD-ing with large block sizes via USB. total loss of interactivity. and sometimes when copying or send|recv ZFS between an ssd and a hdd, with luks involved. loadavg would often go 2x above core count.
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2328 [18:14:57] <Rovanion> So which is the correct way to bring up an interface that is currently DOWN in the list given by ip addr?
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2331 [18:15:16] <Rovanion> I've been told that ifconfig is old and bad, but I'm not sure what to use instead.
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2336 [18:18:01] <blackflow> Rovanion: `ip` from iproute2 package is now the tool that replaced ifconfig
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2338 [18:18:51] <Rovanion> Does it also manage bringing an interface up and down? Running `ip addr` shows me that eth0 is DOWN, though I'm unsure what to do about it.
2339 [18:19:47] <blackflow> Rovanion: ip link does that. ip link set dev .... up for example
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2348 [18:22:57] <choice> If I want debian to not connect to any non encrypted website, can I block outgoing connects to port 80 via iptables?
2349 [18:23:00] <Rovanion> Doing `ip link set dev eth0 up` returns nothing, which would indicate that all went well. But listing the interfaces with `ip addr` again still lists eth0 as to have "state DOWN".
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2352 [18:23:15] <RichardC> blackflow, petn-randall: thanks. ill check into that at some point today
2353 [18:23:55] <blackflow> Rovanion: well, is the interface configured?
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2355 [18:26:08] <Rovanion> It broke down today four hours ago, so usually yes, I guess. My /etc/network/interfaces holds a static configuration for eth0.
2356 [18:26:35] <Rovanion> blackflow: With address, netmask and gateway.
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2359 [18:28:17] <blackflow> Rovanion: then check the logs and see what went wrong. note also that there are `ifdown` and `ifup` commands but they should all be having the same effect.
2360 [18:29:12] <blackflow> choice: yes but that might break apt (and anything else that expects http but you forgot about it), so make sure you whitelist all apt repository targets first, maybe with a fixed mirror
2361 [18:29:38] <Rovanion> blackflow: Ah, I now found out that our service provider has killed our network connection.
2362 [18:29:46] <Rovanion> Well that's that mystery then.
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2364 [18:30:28] <choice> blackflow: what would be the command to forbid connect to port 80?
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2372 [18:32:31] <blackflow> choice: in general, for example, iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REJECT
2373 [18:32:53] <petn-randall> choice: That is a very peculiar request. What problem are you trying to solve?
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2377 [18:33:16] <blackflow> choice: perhaps limit that to packets originating from sockets owned by user (so apt, run by root, wouldn't be affected), with -m owner --uid-owner 1000 (or whatever your uid is)
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2379 [18:34:04] <choice> blackflow: Let me try that...
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2385 [18:36:28] <choice> blackflow: Seems to have no effect at all.
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2391 [18:38:06] <blackflow> choice: that was just an example rule, you'll have to adapt it to your environment.
2392 [18:38:28] <choice> blackflow: All I want is prevent all outgoing connections to port 80.
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2395 [18:39:12] <blackflow> choice: I'm pretty sure you don't want literally that, for reasons mentioned above.
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2397 [18:39:46] <choice> blackflow: I want exactly that.
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2400 [18:40:13] <choice> It seems to work when I replace the eth0 thingy with my network adapter.
2401 [18:40:37] <blackflow> ...
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2404 [18:41:50] <blackflow> applying commands you receive on irc without understanding them is a quick way to failure. I gave you an example rule. you're supposed to understand what it does and what thos flags mean, then apply it to your specific environment.
2405 [18:42:17] <choice> Can I change it so that it is valid for all adapters?
2406 [18:42:20] <blackflow> choice: btw, does apt update work now?
2407 [18:43:04] <greycat> It might, if he configured apt to use an HTTP proxy on a port other than 80.
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2411 [18:43:22] <choice> blackflow: No. But I usually run apt update after I started the machine. And only after that will I run the iptable command.
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2415 [18:44:06] <fooman2011> Hello. Could you please tell me if there is a risk to break something if I upgrade my old debian to the latest ?
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2417 [18:44:20] <greycat> How old is your "old" one?
2418 [18:44:23] <Wowik> actually such step (radical outgoing 80 port blocking) must be used with care (desktop/server environment). Maybe there is some not so radical solution for your task?
2419 [18:44:48] <greycat> I can only hope it's *not* a desktop machine.
2420 [18:44:49] <fooman2011> Linux myhost 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.93-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2421 [18:44:52] <choice> Wowik: I like the solution. My only question left is if I can make it so that it works for all adapters at once.
2422 [18:44:54] <blackflow> choice: to answer your previous question, removing -o will not match against an interface. iptables(8) manpage (and see-also section) has all the details.
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2424 [18:44:59] <greycat> fooman2011: cat /etc/debian_version
2425 [18:45:22] <fooman2011> : /etc/debian_version => 7.11
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2427 [18:45:29] <choice> blackflow: Awesome! So it's just this? iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j REJECT
2428 [18:45:42] <greycat> fooman2011: you'll have to upgrade in steps, first to Debian 8 (jessie), then to Debian 9 (stretch) to be on the current stable release.
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2430 [18:46:03] <greycat> fooman2011: and yes, each step introduces some small risk; read the upgrade notes and the wiki pages for NewIn...
2431 [18:46:56] <blackflow> choice: yes but running that command, after that previous one, will just _add_ (-A) to the chain. you'd have to flush the ruleset first or remove the previous one.
2432 [18:46:58] <fooman2011> ok, it's a nas server with openmediavault and some other feature
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2434 [18:47:19] <choice> blackflow: Wouldnt it be removed after a reboot anyhow?
2435 [18:47:31] <blackflow> choice: it would unless you're using any iptables persistency services
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2437 [18:47:59] <choice> blackflow: I will just type it after the reboot.
2438 [18:48:18] <blackflow> choice: curious to know why you need all that.
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2441 [18:48:42] <choice> blackflow: Well, for the same reason https was invented in the first place.
2442 [18:48:53] <greycat> you're an idiot.
2443 [18:48:54] <choice> Can iptables write a log of what it rejects?
2444 [18:49:00] <greycat> *plonk*
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2446 [18:49:05] <blackflow> choice: you do understand that half the net won't work for you? not all sites support TLS
2447 [18:49:24] <choice> blackflow: The other half is big enough for me :)
2448 [18:49:40] <blackflow> choice: yes, you need to chain a LOG rule before the REJECT rule for same params. I'd match against SYN only for less verbosity of the log
2449 [18:49:44] <fooman2011> greycat: thanks. I have a RAID using mdadm, is there a risk to kill it if I upgrade my debian ?
2450 [18:50:11] <blackflow> choice: also there's browser plugins that force https for known sites... and... I agree with greycat. This is just... fun as an example in packet filtering but NOTHING MORE.
2451 [18:50:16] <greycat> fooman2011: I am not familiar with openmediavault, but for (non-web) servers in general, the upgrades are usually very smooth
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2453 [18:50:41] <greycat> things get a little trickier if you have apache, or a desktop/laptop machine
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2455 [18:50:52] <choice> blackflow: Browser plugins are even more intrusive then unencrypted traffic.
2456 [18:51:16] <choice> the best would be if a browser would support "no unencrypted connections" nativel.y
2457 [18:51:21] <fooman2011> greycat: it a desktop machine but without screen, i'm using it as a nas
2458 [18:51:23] <choice> But I think none does that.
2459 [18:51:33] <bitSt0rm> What do you guys use for image uploads? (Some people are very picky, reason i ask, have a question i need help with)
2460 [18:51:37] <blackflow> they do through extensions.
2461 [18:51:45] <greycat> If it doesn't run X, then it counts as a server for the purpose of this question.
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2463 [18:51:57] <blackflow> rejecting all extensions because you think they do something, that's bad too.
2464 [18:52:03] <choice> blackflow: If there was a trustworthy simple extension that does only that, I might use it.
2465 [18:52:08] <fooman2011> greycat: ok so the update should be ok ?
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2467 [18:52:17] <choice> blackflow: But I would not use a monster likes EFFs httpseverywhere.
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2469 [18:52:24] <greycat> fooman2011: read the release notes and the wiki pages, but odds are quite good
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2474 [18:53:12] <fooman2011> greycat: I have never upgraded a debian.... I'm afraid... :p mdadm for my RAID is the most important
2475 [18:53:26] <fooman2011> If my RAID is dead then i'm dead...
2476 [18:53:31] <blackflow> choice: there are others
2477 [18:53:48] <blackflow> choice: neway, I have to step out of the office now, bbl. good luck.
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2481 [18:54:28] <choice> blackflow: thanks
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2489 [19:01:05] <Wowik> fooman2011: md-raid will stay good for sure. OS maybe will have problems but not files. Actually upgrade procedure quite simple and reliable, I've made upgrades from 7 to 8 and from 8 to 9 on servers and desktops
2490 [19:01:28] <Wowik> can you copy your files from raid to external hdd?
2491 [19:03:16] <Wowik> such upgrades most problematic for application and web-sites because of version changes of mysql and other components
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2493 [19:04:18] <Wowik> on the web-servers I usually update system components (exclude web-server components like mysql, php etc)
2494 [19:04:25] <fooman2011> mmh ok Wowik
2495 [19:04:36] <fooman2011> I can read in doc: You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh
2496 [19:04:41] <fooman2011> ssh is rsh ?
2497 [19:04:52] <Wowik> and after this upgrade components individually
2498 [19:05:34] <RoyK> fooman2011: you'd want a monitor attached to the machine while upgrading in case something brown hits the fan
2499 [19:05:39] <Wowik> I've made it by ssh on console (on esxi or kvm virtual servers)
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2501 [19:06:14] <Wowik> I've made it by ssh or console (on esxi or kvm virtual servers)
2502 [19:06:22] <fooman2011> RoyK ... ok thanks, I don't have a monitor on it actually, so I will not upgrade...
2503 [19:06:27] <Plasmoduck> how do I put a password on a .txt file, so like if I wanna open it with nano or read it with cat it asks for a password first?
2504 [19:06:47] <RoyK> fooman2011: it usually works well headless too, but then, not always - you never know
2505 [19:07:21] <fooman2011> hat si the command tom upgrade to a specific debian version ? (the 8)
2506 [19:07:30] <fooman2011> what is
2507 [19:07:42] <RoyK> !upgrade
2508 [19:07:44] <dpkg> Upgrades keep your box from getting r00ted and reboots let you run new kernels. Stop obsessing about uptime already. It's not 1996. Refresh the lists of available packages "apt update", and then an "apt upgrade". Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <jessie->stretch>.
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2511 [19:08:21] <RoyK> !wheezy->jessie
2512 [19:08:22] <Wowik> totally agree
2513 [19:08:38] <DuckPi> yeah I've always been interested in that too, password protecting a txt file, anyone know how to do it?
2514 [19:08:51] <babilen> fooman2011: Which version are you currently using?
2515 [19:09:17] <fooman2011> 7.11
2516 [19:09:35] <babilen> RoyK: You can't use ! in combination with ->, but have to address the bot directly
2517 [19:09:46] <Kobaz> I'm trying to find an app to change/control keyboard mappings in X (not gnome-specific or anything like that)
2518 [19:09:52] <babilen> dpkg: wheezy->jessie
2519 [19:09:54] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2520 [19:09:59] <babilen> fooman2011: ^
2521 [19:10:02] <Kobaz> i kind of remember some nifty gui that wrote like xmodmap configs or something like that
2522 [19:10:17] <RoyK> babilen: replaced-url
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2524 [19:10:26] <Wowik> password on file? if you have file and correct access rights to it then you can read it. and it is without password
2525 [19:10:44] <RoyK> fooman2011: that above was for you, sorry bogus-
2526 [19:10:48] <RoyK> fooman2011: that above was for you, sorry babilen
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2528 [19:11:16] <babilen> fooman2011: Once you've upgraded to jessie, you want to upgrade to the current stable release, stretch, by following: replaced-url
2529 [19:11:27] <DuckPi> anyone ever heard of mcrypt?
2530 [19:12:30] <Wowik> yea, Jessie to Stretch will work smoothly for sure
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2532 [19:12:45] <babilen> DuckPi: Just gpg encrypt that file, integrates well with emacs too (look into replaced-url
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2534 [19:13:10] <fooman2011> Thanks very much for your help
2535 [19:13:29] <babilen> fooman2011: All the best! Just follow the steps in the release notes and ask if something is unclear
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2541 [19:14:56] <Wowik> yes, file must be encrypted for some password protection
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2543 [19:15:24] <mnuhmnuh> you can also just gpg sign a file, or email.
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2545 [19:16:09] <Kobaz> found it! xbindkeys-config
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2550 [19:17:35] <babilen> DuckPi: replaced-url
2551 [19:17:49] <babilen> (transparent encryption with gpg whenever you edit)
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2578 [19:36:21] <Plasmoduck> What will this do? 'dd if=/dev/null/sd# bs =512 count=1'
2579 [19:36:36] <greycat> nothing because it contains at least one error
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2581 [19:36:59] <greycat> most likely two, because that if= is completely mangled
2582 [19:37:20] <Plasmoduck> # means substitute for the device number
2583 [19:37:34] <greycat> Then it's two.
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2585 [19:38:06] <greycat> You've inserted a space inside the bs= argument, and you've spliced the if= and of= together into one monstrous nonexistent thing.
2586 [19:38:56] <greycat> Even worse, CLEARLY the intent was to get input from /dev/zero and not from /dev/null so....
2587 [19:39:00] <Plasmoduck> Im trying to format to ext3 a SSD drive I have that I installed and encrypted version of debian on and now I can't format or delete the partition because I forgot the password.
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2590 [19:39:52] <greycat> I don't understand why you would think you would need a password to REMOVE all the content on a disk, but what do I know about encrypted drives. Nothin'.
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2594 [19:41:07] <greycat> Anyway, if this were NOT an encrypted disk, and your question were "How do I clear the MBR of my legacy msdos partitioned disk that has a virus in the MBR", it would have been dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever bs=512 count=1
2595 [19:41:55] <antto> conv=sync?
2596 [19:41:56] <Plasmoduck> Okay, I'll give that a try, thanks greycat
2597 [19:42:10] <shtrb> And erasing the parttion table (446-510)
2598 [19:42:15] <greycat> That would leave the disk with an empty MBR (and probably empty other things too) and would have nothing at all to do with your actual current question.
2599 [19:43:18] <Plasmoduck> I just want to wipe the disk completely and have nothing on it so I can start off fresh
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2602 [19:43:31] <greycat> then you need to write a lot more than 512 bytes of zeros
2603 [19:43:35] <Plasmoduck> I want nothing, no partitions or anything, just a fresh new disk
2604 [19:43:48] <shtrb> Plasmoduck, may I ask WHY you wish to null it ?
2605 [19:43:59] <greycat> I'm still morbidly curious exactly HOW you mangled the command so badly.
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2607 [19:44:20] <Plasmoduck> shtrb, I was given this device
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2609 [19:44:57] <Plasmoduck> s/device/advice
2610 [19:45:09] <shtrb> Plasmoduck, so what ? creating a new FS on it without anything will "ignore" the previous data
2611 [19:45:10] <Plasmoduck> I was given this advice
2612 [19:45:14] <Plasmoduck> for the command
2613 [19:45:25] <greycat> well, it was totally mangled
2614 [19:45:31] <tradar> greycat: wipe it this way shred -n 0 -zv /dev/sd#
2615 [19:45:33] <Plasmoduck> ad I thinkI miss read and typed it wrong, it was a few days ago
2616 [19:46:07] <shtrb> If there had been a maleware on the firmware , it has zero effect on it,the only thing you might care is to create a new parttion on it
2617 [19:46:34] <tradar> dd isn't the correct command to wipe (zero) a disk/partition. Use shred.
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2619 [19:46:59] <mnuhmnuh> Plasmoduck: are you worried the nsa is going to bust in and slurp previous owner's kiddie porn off it and blame you? just fdisk/gparted it.
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2621 [19:47:07] <tradar> sry greycat it was for Plasmoduck
2622 [19:47:11] <Plasmoduck> theres no malware or virus, I just installed an OS with an encryption key and I dont think I can wipe the disk without the password?
2623 [19:47:20] <greycat> Of course you can.
2624 [19:47:21] <tradar> Plasmoduck: wipe it this way shred -n 0 -zv /dev/sd#
2625 [19:47:29] <greycat> Just remove the partitions and create new ones.
2626 [19:47:52] <shtrb> Plasmoduck, just a new parttion table and create parttions on the entire disk (it would be enough)
2627 [19:48:15] <shtrb> tradar, shred is a waste of time if he doesn't care about previous data
2628 [19:48:17] <greycat> That's why I repeatedly told you that this dd nonsense had nothing to do with your actual current question.
2629 [19:48:26] <Plasmoduck> ok so I can do that? I wasn't sure. I thought maybe I had locked myself out ith the encrypted passwor
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2631 [19:48:41] <greycat> You only locked yourself out if you intended to USE what's on the disk now.
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2634 [19:48:56] <tradar> shtrb: why? shred is faster than dd.... just a single passage of zeros! Without reading anything from /dev/zero (a waste of system calls)
2635 [19:49:10] <shtrb> tradar, shred (or dd if=/dev/zero ) may actually skip the disk (not happen)
2636 [19:49:14] <greycat> tradar: and removing the partitions is even faster still
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2638 [19:50:13] <tradar> ah, he can just parted and mklabel, if he only wants to clear the partitions table
2639 [19:50:39] <ujjain> My package requires /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0, openssl 1.0.0, how would I install it?
2640 [19:51:08] <greycat> sounds like it's not actually a package
2641 [19:51:17] <Plasmoduck> thanks for the help guys
2642 [19:51:23] <greycat> ,file libcrypto.so.1
2643 [19:51:27] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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2645 [19:51:34] <Plasmoduck> I'm gonna get some sleep and give it a shot in the morning
2646 [19:51:38] <greycat> ,file libcrypto.so.1 --release jessie
2647 [19:51:41] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
2648 [19:51:52] <shtrb> ,v libssl
2649 [19:51:54] <judd> No package named 'libssl' was found in amd64.
2650 [19:52:26] <greycat> oh, is it requring an EXACT file name ....
2651 [19:52:31] <greycat> ,file libcrypto.so.1.0.0
2652 [19:52:34] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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2654 [19:52:52] <greycat> ,file libcrypto.so.1.0.0 --release jessie
2655 [19:52:55] <judd> Search for libcrypto.so.1.0.0 in jessie/amd64: libssl1.0.0: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
2656 [19:53:01] <greycat> ,file libcrypto.so.1.0.2
2657 [19:53:04] <judd> Search for libcrypto.so.1.0.2 in stretch/amd64: libssl1.0.2: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.2
2658 [19:53:12] <greycat> There. Stupid bot. Read my mind!
2659 [19:53:27] <shtrb> lol
2660 [19:54:13] <greycat> So in jessie it's package libssl1.0.0 and in stretch it's package libssl1.0.2
2661 [19:54:14] <ujjain> i am on Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) in docker
2662 [19:54:31] <ujjain> the error is WARNING: Failed to load native Mesos library from '/usr/local/lib/libmesos.so': /usr/local/lib/libmesos.so: libcrypto.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2664 [19:54:59] <greycat> It needs the exact 1.0.0? It's not just linked against 1? Then install the jessie package.
2665 [19:55:00] <shtrb> ,file libmesos.so
2666 [19:55:04] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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2668 [19:55:39] <ujjain> I tried a symlink, but that didn't work
2669 [19:55:45] <greycat> Add a jessie source, apt-get update, apt-get install libssl1.0.0
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2674 [19:58:05] <rarity_> Is there any advantages running oldtsable? I often see people who are still on jessie which stretch has been released a while ago.
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2676 [19:58:23] <rarity_> *while stretch
2677 [19:58:27] <greycat> For jessie in particular, I'd say no, there's no real advantage.
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2681 [19:58:43] <shtrb> rarity_, when you can't afford to upgrade
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2683 [19:58:57] <greycat> Now, wheezy->jessie, that's a whole different story.
2684 [19:59:13] <BCMM> rarity_: generally, either they don't know there's an upgrade out, or they haven't got around to it, or they have some weird niche setup that doesn't work right on stable
2685 [19:59:33] <ujjain> what would be a jessie source? just copy paste the stretch in sources.list?
2686 [19:59:34] <greycat> Or they're just excessively cautious.
2687 [19:59:38] <ujjain> and replace stretch by jessie
2688 [19:59:42] <greycat> ujjain: yeah, that works
2689 [19:59:45] <annadane> "or they're on powerpc"
2690 [19:59:47] <shtrb> BCMM, or there is stuff that does no longer exist nativly in strech and you don't have the time to port
2691 [20:00:02] <rarity_> I see. As for me I always keep debian updated to the latest stable.
2692 [20:00:04] <shtrb> mod_tile I'm looking at you
2693 [20:00:07] <BCMM> there was a guy here the other day who didn't think his CNC system would work on stable due to changes in the way realtime kernels work
2694 [20:00:28] <BCMM> i think it was solvable but not exactly trivial
2695 [20:00:38] <greycat> Mmm hmm, right, "or they're on an old Intel/AMD cpu that's no longer supported in stretch" (I forget which line was dropped this time around), or "legacy 20 year old video card".
2696 [20:00:56] <BCMM> greycat: oh wait, what cpus got dropped?
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2698 [20:01:04] <shtrb> ppc
2699 [20:01:48] <greycat> replaced-url
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2703 [20:02:50] <shtrb> ,v mod_tile
2704 [20:02:52] <judd> No package named 'mod_tile' was found in amd64.
2705 [20:03:21] <greycat> But generally speaking, all of my jessie boxes got upgraded to stretch. There's *one* that I didn't upgrade because it's got a desktop environment installed on it, but they're currently using it as a headless ssh thing, and *shrug* who knows what would happen.
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2743 [20:19:28] <Akuw> is there any free option for cPanel?
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2757 [20:25:52] <annadane> and then cross reference on packages.debian.org if they comply with dfsg etc
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2759 [20:27:24] <annadane> the website lists "free" options but i think they mean free as in cost
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2763 [20:28:37] <fpat> maybe the gnu hosting helper is still around
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2867 [21:18:37] <johnfg> hi guys
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2869 [21:19:03] <johnfg> I'm running Linux church 4.9.0-7-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-1 (2018-07-05) i686 GNU/Linux, and apparently the openafs-client module didn't rebuild for this kernel.
2870 [21:19:14] <johnfg> What do I need to do to rebuild it?
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2873 [21:20:11] <greycat> Make sure linux-headers-4.9.0-7-686 is installed.
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2876 [21:22:30] <annadane> linux... church?
2877 [21:22:40] <greycat> not the strangest hostname
2878 [21:22:47] <annadane> oh, hostname.
2879 [21:22:53] <johnfg> greycat: doing that now, but why didn't get that upgraded with the kernel?
2880 [21:22:55] <annadane> thought "based on debian"
2881 [21:23:09] <johnfg> annadane: :-)
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2883 [21:23:16] <annadane> i am a dumb dumb dummy dumb
2884 [21:23:34] <johnfg> annadane: No way, not dumb, it does *look* kinda odd.
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2886 [21:23:37] <greycat> johnfg: if you want to make sure you always bring in the newest headers when the kernel ABI changes, install linux-headers-686
2887 [21:23:51] <johnfg> greycat: roger that.
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2895 [21:24:45] <greycat> Honestly I don't understand why the ABI changed for this one. Must be some deep kernel voodoo thing.
2896 [21:25:02] <johnfg> greycat: Hah!
2897 [21:25:30] <RoyK> johnfg: 686? not every day someone comes by and admits using 32bit stuff :)
2898 [21:25:36] <Thedarkb> My friend is having trouble with OpenGL
2899 [21:25:40] <Thedarkb> Every second frame is white.
2900 [21:25:52] <Thedarkb> He's on Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
2901 [21:25:53] <greycat> there are still plenty of i386 systems out there
2902 [21:25:59] <Thedarkb> I have plenty
2903 [21:26:13] <Thedarkb> Nothing to be ashamed of.
2904 [21:26:23] <greycat> probably will be for a couple more decades
2905 [21:26:25] <Thedarkb> There are plenty of i686 laptops that are still nice to use.
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2908 [21:27:37] <johnfg> This one is my server for openldap, kerberos, openafs, openvpn, etc.
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2911 [21:27:52] <johnfg> I *will* upgrade some day :-)
2912 [21:28:03] <greycat> When it stops running, right?
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2914 [21:28:17] <johnfg> greycat: probably!
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2979 [22:03:00] <Akuw12> greycat: can somebody tell me what is the best cpanel alternative free option
2980 [22:03:40] <greycat> why the hell would *I* know
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2984 [22:06:30] <olivetree_> There used to exist ispconfig3
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3000 [22:17:19] <fath0m> Hello. Could somebody help me? I've got a new laptop, and I installed Debian 9.5 stretch right away. I used non-free instalation and everything is fine. MY specs are i5-8250u and radeon 530 graphics. But when I look at the system specs on neofetch, for some reason it says that the GPU is: AMD Radeon R7 M260/M265 and not radeon 530, is there something wrong?
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3002 [22:17:47] <fath0m> I haven't tested the GPU performance yet, but is there something wrong? Also I haven't installed any drivvers or anything. LSHW-gtk doesnt even list my gpu.
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3005 [22:19:24] <olivetree_> Probably you are using a compatible driver
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3008 [22:19:40] <fath0m> how am I supossed to install a proper one?
3009 [22:19:48] <fath0m> can find any info on debian
3010 [22:19:49] <HEX0> hello. do you guys know why does IceWeasel report user agent as firefox on windows?
3011 [22:19:57] <olivetree_> there is the non-free radeon..
3012 [22:20:24] <olivetree_> HEX0, because iceweasel is now firefox
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3015 [22:21:56] <HEX0> olivetree_: yeah but I'm wondering why windows instead of "linux" in the default user agent?
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3019 [22:23:21] <olivetree_> ah
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3025 [22:27:45] <HEX0> if someone can confirm if it's the same for them, where default user agent is Windows NT 6.1 despite running on GNU/Linux
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3028 [22:29:21] <greycat> default user agent *of what*
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3031 [22:30:06] <HEX0> greycat: IceWeasel
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3046 [22:36:51] <themill> HEX0: iceweasel is not in any supported release of Debian
3047 [22:37:37] <danialbehzadi> Hi. I put two apps in my repo and set one of them as a dependency in control file of the other one like this: traktor (>= 1.4)
3048 [22:37:37] <danialbehzadi> But when I try to install it, I get this strange error: carburetor : Depends: traktor (>= 1.4) but 1.4-0~201807171920~ubuntu18.04.1 is installed
3049 [22:37:37] <danialbehzadi> I wonder what does it mean, since 1.4-0 is greater or equal to 1.4…
3050 [22:37:37] <greycat> And if an iceweasel on Debian is reporting a User Agent of MSIE/Windows then it's probably because of an extension that has been installed.
3051 [22:38:08] <greycat> There are several such extensions, designed to fool web servers into giving you different content for various purposes.
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3066 [22:47:38] <inquy> Hello all
3067 [22:48:07] <mnuhmnuh> you can also manually change your browser to report whatever you want it to.
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3074 [22:50:40] <inquy> I have one question about result in top command. When we have 4 CPU, the sum of process can grow up to 400% thats right ?
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3077 [22:54:58] <Akuw12> what abot webmin
3078 [22:55:04] <Akuw12> i installed looks fine
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3086 [23:00:23] <HEX0> themill: I though IceWeasel is a Debian project? anyway from what I found it seems IceCat and IceWeasel report Windows user agent for fingerprinting purposes to be less unique
3087 [23:00:31] <greycat> It was.
3088 [23:00:47] <greycat> Currently, iceweasel is just a transitional package that brings in firefox-esr.
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3090 [23:01:05] <greycat> The branding issue with Mozilla was resolved, and that's all history now.
3091 [23:01:15] <HEX0> so IceWeasel is unmaintained?
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3095 [23:03:18] <greycat> !iceweasel
3096 [23:03:21] <dpkg> Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, replaced-url
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3100 [23:05:12] <arkoldthos> HEX0: replaced-url
3101 [23:05:32] <arkoldthos> its 119.4 kB and depends on firefox-esr
3102 [23:05:38] <greycat> replaced-url
3103 [23:05:42] <arkoldthos> basically iceweasel package is just a wrapper for firefox.
3104 [23:06:05] <greycat> Debian -- it takes 119 kB of disk space to do nothing.
3105 [23:06:13] <arkoldthos> replaced-url
3106 [23:06:14] <arkoldthos> :p
3107 [23:06:18] <arkoldthos> oh been a while heh
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3110 [23:06:33] <arkoldthos> haven't used debian in years so this is news to me :p
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3144 [23:23:24] <xoxo> my current issue is that it's not able to install into /target/ -- i ask here because it's a .deb file
3145 [23:23:29] <xoxo> how can i put a .deb file on my LTS usb drive of ubuntu so that its detected upon install
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3147 [23:23:55] <xoxo> a
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3151 [23:26:22] <rant> xoxo: perhaps you should ask an ubuntu support channel, as we are debian users supporting debian stable and I for one having been here and used debian for over 15 years have nfc how ubuntu's installer works
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3155 [23:27:28] <rant> I can guess that once you write an ISO you can probably mount the drive and drop files on it, but as for if the installer would "detect" such things I have no idea
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3158 [23:28:24] <rant> xoxo: as for your logic, your issue is not with .deb files, its with the installer, so talk to someone who made or at least uses it
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3160 [23:28:55] <blackflow> xoxo: please don't crosspost between here and #ubuntu. if that's an ubuntu issue, please stick to #ubuntu
3161 [23:29:40] <jim> xoxo, if you were going to do that by hand, that's one thing... but if you were going to use dpkg to install the .deb, you'd need the dpkg executable inside the /target, then you would chroot (making /target "look like" /, then you should be able to install
3162 [23:29:56] <jim> oh, you'd need a shell too
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3173 [23:33:48] <KaffeeJu1ky123> Is there a way to resize a partition to takeup empty space before the original partition start?
3174 [23:34:29] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: depends on the partition table type (msdos vs gpt) and current partition layout.
3175 [23:34:39] <KaffeeJu1ky123> Actually I want to resize the filesystem too
3176 [23:35:15] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: 1 primary partition formatted as ext4, there are roughly 27GB of freespace before the partition starts
3177 [23:35:25] <KaffeeJu1ky123> gpt
3178 [23:35:34] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: either way, it will require rewriting the partition table, which could mean data loss, and you must ensure you have backups of the entire disk before you get started.
3179 [23:35:49] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: I have my backup ready
3180 [23:36:13] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: great. is ubuntu running from a partion on this disk?
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3184 [23:36:53] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: oops, i mean debian
3185 [23:36:56] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: I'm not running any ubuntu, this is Debian and this disk is exclusive to Debian
3186 [23:37:20] <KaffeeJu1ky123> It's my home partition
3187 [23:37:42] <KaffeeJu1ky123> If worst comes to worst I can format the whole disk and use the backup
3188 [23:37:53] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: then i suggest you download gparted-live, write it to a usb stick, boot off it, and then use gparted there to resize the partitions, which will also resize the file system
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3191 [23:38:24] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: I tried resizing from the installer shell, with fdisk and resize2fs
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3193 [23:38:51] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: so what happened when you did?
3194 [23:38:52] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: but resize2fs does not want to resize the ext4 filesystem
3195 [23:39:06] <KaffeeJu1ky123> It doesn't find a valid something, I should've noted that down...
3196 [23:39:29] <tomreyn> hmm this doesnt sound good :-/
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3198 [23:39:53] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: I simply restored the old partition size when it didn't work
3199 [23:40:08] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: and the file system is still present + intact now?
3200 [23:40:11] <KaffeeJu1ky123> yes
3201 [23:40:17] <KaffeeJu1ky123> Everything is fine I have all the files here
3202 [23:40:20] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: ok :)
3203 [23:40:24] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: I'm booted into debian again now
3204 [23:40:35] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: Because I couldn't get network to work from the installer shell
3205 [23:40:59] <blackflow> if I were you, I'd rm the partition and create right after the previous one, create the fs and pull data back to it from backups. not fastest, but cleanest and least error prone.
3206 [23:41:05] <KaffeeJu1ky123> Btw, is there an inofficial package from FF quantum?
3207 [23:41:09] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: this may suggest something went wrong while you resized the partition. but without the error message available, that's just guessing
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3209 [23:41:41] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: it didn't resize anything
3210 [23:41:51] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: fdisk just writes to the partition table
3211 [23:42:01] <KaffeeJu1ky123> and resize2fs did not do anything to the disk
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3213 [23:42:21] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: i understood so much
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3215 [23:42:27] <KaffeeJu1ky123> The partition is fine and readable
3216 [23:42:35] <KaffeeJu1ky123> I have it mounted right now
3217 [23:42:43] <tomreyn> KaffeeJu1ky123: ok, i got this, too
3218 [23:42:47] <KaffeeJu1ky123> All the data is there, nothing lost no errors in the logs
3219 [23:42:58] <tomreyn> yes
3220 [23:43:05] <KaffeeJu1ky123> tomreyn: the gparted live distro sounds like it's worth a try
3221 [23:43:54] <tomreyn> maybe resize2fs had quit with an error without doing anything because it did assume the file system would be at the start of this partition, and it could not find it there.
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3223 [23:44:19] <tomreyn> i think gparted-live would move the file system to the (new) start of the partition before it would resize it.
3224 [23:44:36] <tomreyn> this would ensure resize2fs would find it.
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