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1 [00:00:11] <GenTooMan> although I have yet to successfully enable my ASIX based ethernet USB device. I found that it is 1 recognized 2 the module is not loaded however it states eth1 register 'asix' at usb-0000:00:02.1.-5 ASI AX88772 USB ethernet, 00:1f... so it registers it but doesn't load the module I won't be able to reinstall debian in any easy fashion likely because it won't load the USB ethernet. More importantly the internal NIC on the board
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3 [00:00:11] <GenTooMan> is toast.
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6 [00:02:37] <GenTooMan> I also set up /etc/network/interfaces to load up eth1 however the line spacing might be wrong now that I look at it.
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8 [00:03:16] <lessthan0> do I need sudo to apt install samba?
9 [00:03:33] <lessthan0> it has failed warnings during install
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14 [00:06:12] <lessthan0> replaced-url
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24 [00:09:19] <GenTooMan> ok weird dmesg information asix 1-5:1.0 nex00... renamed from eth1, it changed the device name so I can't use it with interfaces it looks like
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51 [00:25:01] <foo> What's the difference between /etc/init versus /etc/systemd/system/ for a script I can control with service ___ restart ?
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53 [00:25:11] <foo> I put it in /etc/init, it was working... now it says service not found and I'm confused
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61 [00:33:31] <Brigo> foo, /etc/init is for configuring script in sysvinit system, /etc/systemd/system is for configuring systemd units. Are you using systemd or systemvinit?
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84 [00:53:24] <foo> Brigo: Both, but originally I put something in /etc/init/myservicename.conf then I did service myservicename restart... it worked. Now it's not working.
85 [00:53:34] <foo> I did this with another one and put it in /etc/systemd/system too...
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117 [01:14:14] <GenTooMan> soblem prolved it appears the kernal renamed my connection from eth1 to something else using the something else enabled it in ifconfig ... yeah made no sense but there you have it why it didn't work.
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184 [01:41:11] <tobiasBora> Hello,
185 [01:41:14] <tobiasBora> replaced-url
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187 [01:41:27] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: no
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190 [01:42:28] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: Hum strange, when I update it I get "0% [Connexion à ftp.fr.debian.org (2a01:e0c:1:1598::2)]^C" and after some times it fails
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192 [01:42:35] <tobiasBora> (error 101)
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195 [01:43:14] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: Over IPv6?
196 [01:43:25] <petn-randall> Might not be correctly set up on your end.
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206 [01:44:53] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: Hum... Any idea how I could test this kind of ftp server by command line to try in ipv4 and ipv6?
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208 [01:44:59] <foo> Do I want to put init scripts, for python, in /etc/init or /etc/systemd/system ?
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210 [01:45:30] <tobiasBora> oh, curl is working
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213 [01:46:15] <tobiasBora> hum, it's just that the server is working back. Great :D
214 [01:46:18] <tobiasBora> thanks!
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227 [01:51:45] <petn-randall> foo: sysv init scripts only go in /etc/init.d/. systemd unit files go to /etc/systemd/system/.
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271 [02:28:54] <T_Karras> anybody here who can help me with something?
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274 [02:30:13] <abrotman> T_Karras: just ask
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279 [02:31:08] <T_Karras> well I'm trying to create a system using OpenVPN where I can access my files and email server. So far I'm able to recieve emails and access my webserver but I can't send out emails because of something relating to openvpn or iptables.
280 [02:31:16] <T_Karras> I tried asking in #openvpn and nobody has answered thus far.
281 [02:31:58] <T_Karras> all I get is GET INST BY VIRT: [failed] whenever I go a traceroute -T with an external IP.
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285 [02:33:07] <T_Karras> is there anything I can do like redirecting TCP SYN through iptables or do I have to wait around in #openvpn abrotman?
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291 [02:36:25] <petn-randall> !crosspost
292 [02:36:34] <petn-randall> Hmm, dpkg died.
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294 [02:37:53] <petn-randall> T_Karras: In general it's seen as impolite to ask the same question in several channels, because you'll be wasting everyone's time who'll respond after you get a response in the other channel. It's good to wait an hour (or more, depending on the size of the channel) before asking somewhere else.
295 [02:38:09] <T_Karras> I did wait a long time.
296 [02:38:12] <T_Karras> more than an hour.
297 [02:38:22] <petn-randall> T_Karras: That being said, if you provided the same info as in the other channel, you need to add a lot more details for anyone to be able to look into your issue.
298 [02:38:34] <T_Karras> such as?
299 [02:39:46] <T_Karras> iptables is not enabled and I'm running the mail and webserver on an OpenVPN client server.
300 [02:40:08] <T_Karras> That's where I'm having the problem... OpenVPN Server is running Debian 7, my server is running Debian 9.
301 [02:40:21] <petn-randall> T_Karras: How you set up the openvpn server (config file), if you could connect successfully with the client, and how you want to reach whatever network is behind the openvpn server.
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303 [02:40:56] <T_Karras> hold on...
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305 [02:41:11] <petn-randall> I have to head off to bed now, though. I'm sure someone in the channel can help you in here. If not - the channel is a lot busier during EU/US business hours. I'll be back then.
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308 [02:41:24] <T_Karras> okay... I'll be here.
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313 [02:44:11] <T_Karras> config file: replaced-url
314 [02:44:29] <T_Karras> in addition, I can't use apt-get while OpenVPN is active on my client server.
315 [02:44:41] <michael2> hi all. If my / filetree is mounted onto a LVM based FDE filesystem, as per here:
316 [02:44:43] <michael2> replaced-url
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319 [02:46:39] <michael2> which virtual partition should I treat as being equivalent to the non-ecrypted /dev/sda2 type scheme?
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352 [03:11:23] <zentris> Hey does anyone know, who is in charge of wiki.debian.org? I can't register due to "Account creation failed: To prevent spam"
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355 [03:11:37] <zentris> I've emailed wiki@debian.org already
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364 [03:16:19] <mnuhmnuh> zentris: when that happened to me, it landed on no less than joey hess' desk.
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452 [04:02:20] <jak2000> how to ceck if a port is open?
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454 [04:03:21] <jak2000> *check
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475 [04:14:21] <RoyK> jak2000: ss -ntlp or netstat -lnp
476 [04:14:31] <jgkamat> hi, I'm getting the nvidia held back error that kion was getting a while back, but if I dist-upgrade a bunch of packages are getting removed (such as qt and steam). Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can investigate?
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490 [04:22:20] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: what's the problem?
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492 [04:22:49] <pingfloyd> dist-upgrade wanting to remove packages you want to keep?
493 [04:22:53] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: I want to keep my system updated but I don't want to remove qt
494 [04:22:54] <jgkamat> yes
495 [04:23:09] <pingfloyd> just qt you want to keep?
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497 [04:23:28] <jgkamat> no, there's other things as well. Ideally I'd like to find out why it's requesting removals in the first place
498 [04:23:32] <pingfloyd> for the automatic removals, that requires setting what you want to keep as manual, or have some package installed that depends on it.
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500 [04:24:08] <pingfloyd> is this upgrade from one release to another, or dist-upgrade within your current running release?
501 [04:24:35] <jgkamat> this started happening on the 9.5 release, I did a partial upgrade (apt upgrade, not dist-upgrade) to 9.5 though
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503 [04:25:09] <jgkamat> I'm guessing it has something to do with the nvidia driver updates in 9.5
504 [04:26:35] <pingfloyd> could be
505 [04:26:57] <pingfloyd> what I do with these sorts of situations is use synaptic or aptitude's TUI.
506 [04:27:42] <pingfloyd> and make sure everything I want to keep is marked manual, while everything I don't want or care as auto. Then I let autoremove sort it out.
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508 [04:28:29] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: which DE do you use?
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510 [04:30:04] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: one thing that will be helpful too is using apt-cache rdepends <package you don't want removed> to see if any other packages are keeping it on the system.
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512 [04:30:28] <pingfloyd> also apt-rdepends is handy if you want to see reverse or forward dependencies recursively
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514 [04:32:33] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: I use bspwm. I think there's something really wrong though since it's also removing a bunch of nvidia stuff. "sudo apt-cache rdepends qtwebengine5-dev" dosen't give me anything (that's one of the incorrectly removed packages). I think I installed it manually.
515 [04:33:03] <jgkamat> er, my DE is KDE, I think
516 [04:33:40] <csmall> Hi all.
517 [04:34:02] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: do you have it currently installed?
518 [04:34:22] <pingfloyd> (dpkg -l "kde*")
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521 [04:35:30] <halvors> I'm trying to build systemd from source using the buster weekly snapshot. But the build fails with some tests that fails, anyone know how to fix this? Should the replaced-url
522 [04:36:24] <jgkamat> er, actually it isn't kde, it's cinnamon (I have cinnamon-core installed)
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524 [04:36:52] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: I don't think I actually use a DE regularly, but I don't think that matters in this case, does it
525 [04:36:58] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: what's apt-mark showmanual | grep cinnamon show
526 [04:37:31] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: well, a qt based de will bring in the qt dependencies
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528 [04:38:13] <jgkamat> I manually installed qt (qtwebengine5-dev is under showmanual). cinnamon, cinnamon-core, task-cinnamon-desktop are under the cinnamon grep (minus show)
529 [04:39:00] <jgkamat> (as is steam)
530 [04:39:22] <pingfloyd> is cinnamon marked manual?
531 [04:39:52] <jgkamat> yes
532 [04:40:03] <pingfloyd> I was afraid of that
533 [04:40:18] <pingfloyd> I think there's a conflict with the packages there and the ones it want's to upgrade
534 [04:40:19] <un214> there is a way to unmanual a package is there not?
535 [04:40:33] <pingfloyd> un214: we want cinnamon to be manual
536 [04:40:48] <pingfloyd> if it were an auto, we could probably fix the issue somewhat by marking it manual
537 [04:41:16] <un214> ah I guess I wasn't quite following; thought the manual caused a package conflict
538 [04:41:35] <csmall> Is there a package I can install that will auto mount usb sticks when they are plugged in?
539 [04:41:38] <pingfloyd> un214: he's having a problem with dist-upgrade wanting to remove packages he wants to keep
540 [04:41:39] <jgkamat> I mean, I'm not too fussed about loosing cinnamon, but I don't want to loose the graphics driver packages (I think there's some conflict and if I upgrade I'll probably loose graphics)
541 [04:41:50] <razer2> pingfloyd, For some reason cinnamon seemed slock to respond to me when clicking.
542 [04:42:22] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: right, but package dependency snafus usually come down to marking a few key packages as manual (when everything is running normal).
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545 [04:43:08] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: alternatively, you could just mark everything you want as manual instead of letting another package keep it installed to satisfy a dependency (auto).
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547 [04:43:20] <pingfloyd> but that is kind of messy
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552 [04:44:52] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: what you might do is use aptitude (gui mode) and try the dist-upgrade there, then you can play with the packages and/or choose between a few dependency resolutions.
553 [04:45:34] <pingfloyd> play with, as in experiment with marking them auto/manual and/or removing a package and see what other packages it affects for removal.
554 [04:45:44] <un214> the way I solve that problem is let dist-upgrade remove it, then install it directly
555 [04:46:07] <un214> the only case I recall where that was problematic was blocking systemd-sysv
556 [04:46:09] <jak2000> RoyK: replaced-url
557 [04:46:19] <pingfloyd> that's not a bad idea as it may be the quicker and cleaner fix when all is done.
558 [04:46:29] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: ah, aptitude was able to find the issue, I think I have conflicting packages installed. I have 'libgldispatch0-nvidia' installed which isn't in the repos, I'm guessing it was removed or it came from a ppa -_-
559 [04:46:32] <pingfloyd> only thing to watch with that approach is that it doesn't remove anything critical
560 [04:46:47] <pingfloyd> such apt for example.
561 [04:46:58] <pingfloyd> no package manager on the system create a catch 22
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565 [04:47:32] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: right on! (my hunch was right).
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567 [04:47:51] <un214> I think apt won't remove itself unless you tell it to
568 [04:47:52] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: I'd stay away from PPAs
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570 [04:48:06] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: for the same reason I'd stay away from AUR with arch
571 [04:48:33] <pingfloyd> un214: also got to watch what apt depends as well
572 [04:48:35] <jgkamat> yah, I feel like this didn't come from one though, I only have the git-lfs one enabled (which I probably should get rid of). I'll look around and find out where it was from :P
573 [04:48:51] <jgkamat> google seems to think it was in the repos at some point judging by the results though
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575 [04:48:52] <pingfloyd> missing or broken apt/aptitude/synaptic pretty much paints you into a corner
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577 [04:49:12] <un214> nah; download apt.dpkg and dpkg install it
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579 [04:49:27] <un214> now if you broke dpkg you're in trouble but all its deps are marked critical
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582 [04:52:33] <jak2000> RoyK: replaced-url
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668 [06:00:48] <jak2000> if stop iptables i can connect to mysql if start cant connect...
669 [06:01:27] <dodobrain> then you have a rule to block requests on that port
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671 [06:01:39] <dodobrain> iptables -L will list your current rules
672 [06:01:39] <jak2000> dodobrain how to open?
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689 [06:18:53] <OS-39660> /msg NickServ REGISTER Idontknow3@ anandreddykaushik24@gmail.com
690 [06:19:18] <jak2000> ?
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692 [06:21:12] <annadane> OS-39660, change your password
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791 [07:28:25] <addkt> anyone on here a web developer that wouldn't mind helping a new fella out?
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819 [07:41:43] <rant> addkt: you need to just ask your question and if its offtopic or no one speaks up to help, we could at least perhaps point you somewhere you can get help
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823 [07:43:24] <rant> addkt: garnering interest of volunteer support works best when you ask a question that sparks interest.. asking if you can get help kinda says, this will probably waste more of my time than I am willing to spend
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845 [07:52:50] <addkt> rant, Alright. How about, Can you point me in the direction towards a great tutorial? That's what I meant to say. I don't need to waste a bunch of your time. I'm just trying to learn and some of the websites I'm reading are outdated and aren't getting to the point I want.
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849 [07:54:21] <rant> addkt: you're still being too vague for anyone to help you.. the kinda web design I learned was back in the .com boom era.. basic html, javascript, css stuff.. these days there are so many webdev platforms
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851 [07:54:50] <addkt> rant, PHP and MySQL specifically.
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853 [07:54:58] * rant pukes
854 [07:55:25] <rant> have you considered hanging out in a PHP channel if php dev is something you want to do?
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856 [07:55:44] <addkt> why would you puke?
857 [07:55:53] <rant> I often spend time in #bash or #python as I code in those languages a lot and you learn things there
858 [07:56:03] <addkt> Python is great. I just know basics.
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860 [07:56:15] <rant> I am not a huge fan of markup and php is just gross to me
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863 [07:56:42] <rant> I'd rather code in javascript than php any day
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865 [07:56:47] <addkt> Well, for what I'm going for. I know a little bit of bash, a little python. Nothing to create something substantial, which I wish I could.
866 [07:56:59] <rant> and when I've done LAMP stuff I used Python as my 'P'
867 [07:57:03] <addkt> javascript isn't server however.
868 [07:57:13] <rant> you're kidding right?
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870 [07:57:24] <addkt> Umm, educate me if you choose to? lol
871 [07:57:35] <rant> that may have been the case when I was learning and using it in the 90s
872 [07:57:55] <rant> javascript is now everywhere, on and off the web and on both sides
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875 [07:59:05] <rant> ,i nodejs
876 [07:59:06] <judd> Package nodejs (web, extra) in stretch/amd64: evented I/O for V8 javascript. Version: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; Size: 3359.4k; Installed: 13928k; Homepage: replaced-url
877 [07:59:22] <rant> that is javascript for server side application development
878 [07:59:39] <rant> then there is stuff like AJAX that has been around a long time
879 [08:00:07] <rant> and python and similar languages can do it all.. code the server and everything in it
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884 [08:01:36] <rant> the hardest part of development today is all the choices.. even if you chose python for example you have kline, twisted, flask, drupal.. etc..etc
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886 [08:02:02] <rant> you just gotta figure out what feels right to you and best suits the SPECIFIC task at hand
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889 [08:02:34] <addkt> well, repetition. It doesn't seem like NodeJS can perform repetitive tasks like PHP can.
890 [08:02:59] <rant> that may be so.. I am not savvy in either so I can't comment on that
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892 [08:04:23] <rant> you will find some webdevs here, but probably most active in about 4hours or more.. but you'd probably be better off in a speciic programming channel or general web dev channel, as this channel is scoped to supporting technical issues with Debian stable
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897 [08:06:31] <addkt> rant, alright. I appreciate the input and I'll look around. Thank you.
898 [08:06:43] <rant> addkt: if you don't know, you can /msg alis help that bot can help you find channels, and you can also visit #freenode and ask for guidance finding a channel, but generally speaking get more to the point when you visit channels
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1005 [09:13:08] <arunpyasi> ,i python
1006 [09:13:09] <judd> Package python (python, standard) in stretch/amd64: interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). Version: 2.7.13-2; Size: 150.2k; Installed: 648k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1055 [09:43:40] <razer2> Is synaptic supposed to be able to install a non-distro .deb package? It doesn't seem to work. I can use apt though.
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1057 [09:44:22] <Haohmaru> i've "installed" .deb files with this gdebi or something (forgot its name)
1058 [09:44:30] <rant> synaptic or any other package manager is suppose to work with your repositories.. installing individual deb iles is for dpkg or gdebi
1059 [09:44:33] <pingfloyd> yeah, gdebi
1060 [09:44:38] <razer2> gdebi is old I believe and should not be used anymore. I would use apt
1061 [09:44:39] <pingfloyd> that's the right name
1062 [09:44:39] <dodobrain> razer2, `dpkg -i foo.deb`
1063 [09:44:55] <razer2> no, I don't want to use dpkg or gdebi. I want it to be under the control of apt.
1064 [09:45:04] <Haohmaru> hm, i used gdebi a few weeks ago :/
1065 [09:45:06] <razer2> Nothing manual that can't be managed for removal etc.
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1067 [09:45:16] <Haohmaru> it's "graphical" .. that's why
1068 [09:45:26] <rant> razer2: you are very confused
1069 [09:45:27] <dodobrain> razer2, if you install a random package from a .deb file how the heck is apt supposed to manage it in the future?
1070 [09:45:29] <razer2> synaptic has an option to install packages though. It just doesn't seem to work.
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1072 [09:45:54] <rant> dpkg IS the package manager.. no matter what you use, you're using dpkg
1073 [09:45:54] <dpkg> rant: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
1074 [09:46:10] * dodobrain pets dpkg
1075 [09:46:23] <pingfloyd> haha
1076 [09:46:26] * rant shakes a rolled up newspaper at dpkg
1077 [09:46:32] <razer2> Yeah, but I believe if you bypass apt and use dpkg directly it prevents automated management and removal.
1078 [09:46:48] <Haohmaru> razer2 synaptic is a visual/graphical program, but the important work is actually done using the commandline tools behind the scene
1079 [09:46:51] <pingfloyd> razer2: it doesn't bring in dependencies automatically iirc
1080 [09:46:52] <razer2> rant, I can't remove using apt?
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1082 [09:47:08] <dodobrain> razer2, how do you propose to install a .deb file using apt ?
1083 [09:47:12] <razer2> apt brings in dependances I believe.
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1085 [09:47:26] <rant> razer2: apt and all the other tools are just frontends.. if you install with gdebi or dpkg you can still remove with apt
1086 [09:47:29] <razer2> dodobrain, I did already. apt works.
1087 [09:47:36] <rant> they all read the dpkg database
1088 [09:48:08] <rant> it doesnt matter if you use dpkg, apt-get, apt, aptitude, synaptic, gdebi, fhahlieuhakha or whatever
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1090 [09:48:28] <rant> dpkg is always going to be the package manager and anyhing else is going to use i
1091 [09:48:28] <dpkg> rant: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
1092 [09:48:29] <dodobrain> whatever.. dpkg is the package manager as rant says
1093 [09:48:39] <dodobrain> :D
1094 [09:49:02] <rant> dpkg, yinzersmite dpkg
1095 [09:49:02] * dpkg pooshes dpkg aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere".
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1097 [09:49:53] <Haohmaru> halp! one of my programs is chatting on IRC and acting weird
1098 [09:49:57] <razer2> Ok, so I could tell dpkg to remove a non-distro package by name?
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1100 [09:50:33] <rant> dpkg doesnt work that way
1101 [09:50:34] <dpkg> no idea, rant
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1103 [09:50:46] <rant> omfg you stupid bot
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1106 [09:51:30] <rant> the package manager dpkg works on the deb files itself, only the frontends work on the package names
1107 [09:51:58] <razer2> Ok, well I could just use apt to install and uninstall then.
1108 [09:52:17] <rant> but anything you install from anywhere with anyhing will all work with he other stuff as far as any given program's features allow
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1110 [09:52:37] <razer2> Synaptic has an option File -> Add Downloaded Pakcages. Which doesn't seem to work.
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1114 [09:53:08] <rant> idk most everyone uses gdebi for this or dpkg directly if they want command line
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1116 [09:53:23] <rant> gdebi will resolve package dependencies and has a GUI
1117 [09:53:24] <Haohmaru> well, i *did* manage to install a .deb package with gdebi
1118 [09:53:40] <razer2> And apt will resolve dependances too right?
1119 [09:53:43] <Haohmaru> it was a bit non-smooth but not uber broken either
1120 [09:53:45] <pingfloyd> I use either dpkg -i <pkg> && apt-get install -f
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1122 [09:53:53] <pingfloyd> or gdebi
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1124 [09:54:08] <razer2> I just did "sudo apt install path/packagename.deb
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1126 [09:54:15] <Haohmaru> sudo?
1127 [09:54:21] <pingfloyd> apt-get install -f is how you satisfy the local pkg's dependencies
1128 [09:54:26] <Haohmaru> wut is this, ubuntu?
1129 [09:54:30] <pingfloyd> if you use gdebi
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1131 [09:54:42] <razer2> No, this is Debian.
1132 [09:54:54] <pingfloyd> Haohmaru: you realize that debian has sudo as an option to. In the installer even.
1133 [09:55:05] <rant> sudo is not an ubuntu thing it predates both ubuntu and debian
1134 [09:55:06] <Haohmaru> haven't seen it
1135 [09:55:21] <pingfloyd> Haohmaru: it's in the repo
1136 [09:55:24] <Haohmaru> i know, but it tends to not be available by default
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1139 [09:55:33] <razer2> You have to install sudo on Debian (if you specify a password during install) I believe.
1140 [09:55:46] <pingfloyd> or choose to use in the installer
1141 [09:56:01] <rant> Haohmaru: if you dont set a root password in the installer, it adds sudo and configures it for root access
1142 [09:56:03] <razer2> I don't see an option in the isntall to install it.
1143 [09:56:11] <razer2> rant, right
1144 [09:56:31] <rant> otherwise you must install it because its optional
1145 [09:56:33] <rant> ,i sudo
1146 [09:56:34] <judd> Package sudo (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. Version: 1.8.19p1-2.1; Size: 1030.1k; Installed: 3035k; Homepage: replaced-url
1147 [09:56:41] <razer2> Oh, well if apt can do everything, then I might as well just use one program.
1148 [09:56:44] <pingfloyd> I use sudo mostly, but sometimes I use su
1149 [09:56:58] <pingfloyd> what is wrong is 'sudo su'
1150 [09:56:59] <Haohmaru> i've been told to use "su -l"
1151 [09:57:30] <pingfloyd> Haohmaru: 'su -' isn't a bad idea.
1152 [09:57:40] <Haohmaru> -l specifically
1153 [09:57:47] <Haohmaru> don't know the difference *shrug*
1154 [09:58:15] <rant> it is a difference in whether or not its a login shell, which changes which config files are read
1155 [09:58:16] <pingfloyd> they're the same thing
1156 [09:58:46] <pingfloyd> '-', '-l', and '--login' are all the same
1157 [09:59:05] <pingfloyd> I'm just so used to using just - because of being less keystrokes
1158 [10:00:15] <rant> pingfloyd: you don't supercalifragilisticexpialidocious="--login" && echo "$supercaliragilisticexpialidocious" | xargs su ?
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1160 [10:00:58] <amosbird> hi, when do I need libc-dev ?
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1182 [10:09:46] <rant> amosbird: when you're building something against libc
1183 [10:10:05] <amosbird> hmm, does it provide header files like stdio ?
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1186 [10:11:03] <Iridos> well, look yourself… install apt-file, run apt-file update, then apt-file show <packagename>
1187 [10:12:26] <rant> amosbird: yes, typically one installs build-essential which is a metapackage pulling in make and other such tools
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1189 [10:13:12] <rant> iirc libc-dev is also a metapackage
1190 [10:13:18] <rant> ,i libc-dev
1191 [10:13:19] <judd> No package named 'libc-dev' was found in stretch/amd64.
1192 [10:13:54] <rant> in any case the actual package is libc6-dev
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1201 [10:18:30] <Iridos> libc6-dev
1202 [10:18:36] <Iridos> eh
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1208 [10:22:21] <rustbuckett> also practice using 'apt search'. it accepts regex searches. apt search '^libc.-dev$' (or similar) might have been useful
1209 [10:22:32] <rustbuckett> maybe. i don't know. i'm sleepy.
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1212 [10:23:10] <Haohmaru> regex :~(
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1271 [10:54:51] <Mystic_Reverie> How to install an interactive fiction reader? I cant understand tar files and dependencies etc.
1272 [10:54:54] <Mystic_Reverie> can someone help
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1274 [10:55:58] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: Is it a Debian package or where are you getting it from?
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1291 [11:00:37] <Mystic_Reverie> pet, im game for using anything that works thanks
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1293 [11:00:46] <Mystic_Reverie> i cant work out how ot instal lanything eworkable
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1297 [11:01:37] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: I don't yet know what piece of software you're talking about. Can you link me?
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1301 [11:03:06] <Mystic_Reverie> glulxe
1302 [11:03:20] <Mystic_Reverie> frotz
1303 [11:03:23] <Mystic_Reverie> inform
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1305 [11:03:34] <Mystic_Reverie> but i dont know what versions, i dont understand github etc
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1309 [11:05:51] <bozza> hello, I rented a dedicated server and the hard disk paritions are kinda weird
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1311 [11:06:15] <babilen> judd: i gargoyle-free
1312 [11:06:16] <judd> Package gargoyle-free (games, extra) in stretch/amd64: graphical player for Interactive Fiction games. Version: 2011.1b-1; Size: 1504.1k; Installed: 8339k; Homepage: replaced-url
1313 [11:06:19] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: ^
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1316 [11:07:13] <bozza> /dev/sda3 34605056 468860079 434255024 207.1G fd Linux raid autodetect
1317 [11:07:23] <bozza> ^ I have two of those hard disks that are 2TB each
1318 [11:07:30] <Mystic_Reverie> gargoyle wont ru nwell
1319 [11:07:35] <Mystic_Reverie> no options to change font and colour, sorry
1320 [11:08:09] <bozza> they have a "linux raid autodetect" partition that is 200GB
1321 [11:08:10] <bozza> why?
1322 [11:08:14] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: Also look into frotz, jzip and others that come up when you run "apt-cache search text mode adventure" (and other search terms that come to mind)
1323 [11:08:56] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: You didn't even mention gargoyle before, which is why I pointed you to a program that is capable of dealing with the kind of data you want to work with
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1330 [11:11:44] <Mystic_Reverie> gargolye works ewell, but it doesnt have any opotions and the text is too small
1331 [11:11:59] <Mystic_Reverie> im sorry , i dont knwo apt cache search, i have no terminal skill
1332 [11:12:12] <Mystic_Reverie> i need step by step or click to install files
1333 [11:12:18] <Mystic_Reverie> linux is very hard
1334 [11:12:31] <babilen> It really isn't -- You are simply not used to it
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1336 [11:12:55] <babilen> You might want to read replaced-url
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1339 [11:13:45] <Mystic_Reverie> please, i really dont have time ot reasearch that stuff., and also i was told i dont need to to use linux
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1341 [11:13:48] <Mystic_Reverie> thats why i installed it
1342 [11:13:59] <Mystic_Reverie> now if im told i have to learn terminal, i will just go back to windows
1343 [11:14:06] <Mystic_Reverie> i have not the time or the desire
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1345 [11:14:43] <babilen> I'm happy for you to use the graphical package manager as well (synaptic)
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1347 [11:15:10] <Mystic_Reverie> i donr know hpow tpo install or run these programs though, hence why i came here
1348 [11:15:12] <babilen> Trickier to communicate what you should do as opposed to clear commands, but that shouldn't stop you
1349 [11:15:22] <Mystic_Reverie> and people the mtell me to learn terminal.. and we go round in circles
1350 [11:15:31] <Mystic_Reverie> i will not learn teminall. period
1351 [11:15:33] <babilen> You run it like you run any other program (such as a web browser)
1352 [11:15:37] <Mystic_Reverie> if that snot acceptable i wil lgo bac kto windows
1353 [11:15:40] <Mystic_Reverie> no harm done
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1355 [11:16:20] <babilen> You can use whatever tool you find most appropriate. Synaptic would be the graphical package manager that you're looking for at the moment
1356 [11:16:41] <Mystic_Reverie> i installed inform from syunaptic... and when i ran it nothing happened
1357 [11:16:46] <Mystic_Reverie> i need a gui :/
1358 [11:16:53] <babilen> Then install a GUI tool
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1360 [11:17:00] <Mystic_Reverie> inform is a nothre text adventiure creator/reader
1361 [11:17:12] <babilen> So .. you used synaptic before and you have tried some of the tools I pointed out already
1362 [11:17:13] <Mystic_Reverie> i dont know how and cant find one
1363 [11:17:18] <Mystic_Reverie> thtas why im here
1364 [11:17:38] <babilen> I mentioned one .. but the onus is on you to find the software you are looking for
1365 [11:17:49] <Mystic_Reverie> i searched for some stuff yes..the softwaere i want i searched for
1366 [11:17:52] <Mystic_Reverie> but no luck
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1368 [11:18:50] <babilen> You have to realise that you are asking for something rather niche. Use the search functionality in the package manager or Google and add "debian" or "linux" or "open source" or "graphical" to the search terms
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1373 [11:19:45] <Mystic_Reverie> iv tried
1374 [11:19:47] <Mystic_Reverie> and found packages
1375 [11:19:57] <Mystic_Reverie> but hav eno idea how to instal lthem, or if they are the right ones
1376 [11:19:58] <Mystic_Reverie> nevermind
1377 [11:20:08] <Mystic_Reverie> eveything is 'niche' in linux.. its ridiculous
1378 [11:20:11] <Mystic_Reverie> thanks for the time
1379 [11:20:11] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: Just mark them and click install?
1380 [11:20:17] <Mystic_Reverie> i cant do it
1381 [11:20:19] <petn-randall> It's not really that difficult.
1382 [11:20:26] <petn-randall> What's stopping you from doing it?
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1384 [11:20:41] <Mystic_Reverie> cos its never click to install
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1386 [11:20:46] <Mystic_Reverie> its tsar files and dependencies
1387 [11:20:47] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: oh hello again. came to troll in #debian now?
1388 [11:20:58] <Mystic_Reverie> and yes it IS difficult fo rpeople who dont camp out on front of thier computers
1389 [11:21:05] <Mystic_Reverie> its time consuming and ridiculous
1390 [11:21:15] <Mystic_Reverie> i mnot rolling im askign for help
1391 [11:21:19] <Mystic_Reverie> how about keeping your nose out ?
1392 [11:21:20] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: Well, good luck. If you think that using Windows is easier and you're happy with that, I'd recommend to use that
1393 [11:21:26] <Mystic_Reverie> yea
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1396 [11:21:32] <petn-randall> !next
1397 [11:21:32] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1398 [11:21:34] <Mystic_Reverie> seems i have no choice
1399 [11:21:38] <babilen> Looks like it
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1402 [11:22:04] <petn-randall> 2/10
1403 [11:22:24] <blackflow> no you're not. you're repeating the whole "I don't wanna understand this" dance ending with insults and ragequits, that are soon to follow because #debian is far less forgiving to trolls.
1404 [11:22:41] <petn-randall> blackflow: What was the other channel?
1405 [11:22:43] <Mystic_Reverie> fuk of blackflpow. we arent all nerds., linux is just not suited for people with lives
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1407 [11:22:47] <blackflow> petn-randall: ubuntu channels
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1411 [11:23:01] <blackflow> here we go, insults. and now ragequ..... oh wait, nooooo :)
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1415 [11:23:36] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: We don't tolerate insulting people in here. I recommend you try your luck somewhere else.
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1418 [11:23:47] <dadada> hi
1419 [11:24:10] <dadada> if I want to suggest a package to be included in official debian repositories, how should I go about doing that
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1421 [11:24:37] <petn-randall> Hi dadada, what piece of software is it?
1422 [11:24:49] <dadada> replaced-url
1423 [11:24:55] <dadada> replaced-url
1424 [11:25:07] <dadada> there are precompiled deb packages, if you want to test it
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1426 [11:26:02] <dadada> inspite of the 1.3.3 release number the software isn't really mature yet, but I'm assuming it will improve a lot over time as interest picks up
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1429 [11:26:40] <dadada> hi petn-randall
1430 [11:27:00] <petn-randall> dadada: You could file a RFP (request for package) bug with the reportbug tool.
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1433 [11:28:20] <petn-randall> dadada: However, if you want to get your feet wet, you could try to package it yourself, and get it in the Debian repository. We have #debian-mentors to get people up to speed.
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1438 [11:29:32] <dadada> petn-randall: I'm not really asking for myself, there is a user who filed an issue about it
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1442 [11:30:42] <petn-randall> dadada: I see, so you're the developer of browsh?
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1447 [11:31:33] <dadada> petn-randall: no, I'm just helping with answering issues
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1449 [11:31:46] <dadada> petn-randall: I did betatesting and gave some advice
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1452 [11:33:20] <dadada> browsh needs firefox 57+ , is that dependency fulfilled on the latest version of debian?
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1461 [11:40:07] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
1462 [11:40:08] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 52.9.0esr-1; experimental: 60.1.0esr-1
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1465 [11:40:48] <petn-randall> dadada: It's currently 52, but when support runs out, stretch will get the current ESR, 60.
1466 [11:41:01] <dadada> when will that be?
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1471 [11:42:10] <petn-randall> dadada: According to Mozilla, it runs out September 5 this year. So some time after that 60 will be uploaded to stretch.
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1474 [11:42:31] <dadada> ok, that's soon enough, thank you
1475 [11:42:57] <BlackDalek> Hi, I am having trouble with getting USB audio device to work in Debian 9. I just moved from Ubuntu, so can't quite find my way around the system yet.
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1481 [11:44:54] <BlackDalek> USB audio device is detected as "HP-USB300 5.1 headset"(same thing under Ubuntu). In Debian 9, I can set the volume at 100% or higher (distorted), but anything 99% or lower causes silence.
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1483 [11:45:14] <BlackDalek> How do I fix this?
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1493 [11:49:25] <petn-randall> blackflow: Silence? That's a really peculiar bug.
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1496 [11:51:16] <blackflow> petn-randall: hrm?
1497 [11:51:43] <petn-randall> blackflow: So, at 100% it's loud and distorted, and you pull it one tick down to 99%, and it's completely silent?
1498 [11:51:48] <blackflow> oh, nick mistab. BlackDalek ^^^
1499 [11:51:58] <petn-randall> Hahaha
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1501 [11:52:22] <petn-randall> Indeed, this was a mis-tab. It was mean for BlackDalek
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1504 [11:53:00] <BlackDalek> blockflaw, my nick caused you trouble in #ubuntu channel the other day too :P
1505 [11:53:11] <blockflaw> yah :)
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1507 [11:53:24] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, yes, that is correct
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1509 [11:53:42] <petn-randall> You two now have to have a thumb fight over the "black" prefix.
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1517 [11:56:51] <bozza> should I be using root to connect to my debian server?
1518 [11:56:53] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: My first task would be to check the kernel logs for any funky messages about that device.
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1521 [11:57:01] <petn-randall> bozza: Depends on what you want to do.
1522 [11:57:25] <bozza> petn-randall: I just purchased a server and I only have a root account
1523 [11:58:03] <bozza> seems a little crazy? Does debian run through the root user by default?
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1526 [11:59:25] <bozza> petn-randall: I am used to ubuntu running as a user and only using root through sudo
1527 [11:59:38] <BlackDalek> petn-randall google search brings up many results for bug reports for similar problem but o solutions. Thing is, it was sort of working in Ubuntu because I could leave the device's "main" volume set at 100% then change the volume indepentently within the application... now I can't seem to have this level of control in Debian... :( if I adjust the volume in application, it changes the main volume instead. Do you follow what I mean
1528 [11:59:39] <BlackDalek> by application volume control and main volume control?
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1536 [12:01:21] <petn-randall> bozza: It wouldn't call either approach crazy. But Debian doesn't run through root by default. Upon installation you usually create an unprivileged user.
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1538 [12:01:31] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, the logs are full of crazy messages about the device but I went down that avenue with Ubuntu too and never got any kind of solution. The only fix I could come up with was to control the volume through app instead of main volume. I just want to be able to do the same thing in Debian
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1541 [12:01:51] <bozza> petn-randall: I will do it manually.. The OS was installed by a server config of this provider
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1546 [12:02:59] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, the easiest solution would be to buy a more compatible USB sound card, but for now this thing is all I got to work with.
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1554 [12:05:15] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: You should be able to do the same with pavucontrol, or anything else.
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1557 [12:06:07] <BlackDalek> The application I want to be able to use to control the volume is Kodi. For some reason it only seems to control the main volume (causing silence below 99%) instead of the application volume.
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1559 [12:06:30] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: I see. Are you using pavucontrol or something else?
1560 [12:07:19] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, I'm not sure. I only just installed debian today.
1561 [12:08:20] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, if I type pavucontrol it says command not found
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1563 [12:09:30] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: Ok, what are you then using to change the volume?
1564 [12:09:53] <petn-randall> (like, is it a widget or something else?)
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1569 [12:10:52] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, hold
1570 [12:10:58] <BlackDalek> pet---
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1572 [12:11:15] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, sorry got 1 year old over keyboard
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1584 [12:17:53] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, it looks like this... replaced-url
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1586 [12:19:06] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, or this... replaced-url
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1589 [12:20:09] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, anything setting below that is silent. But my main problem is I can't make Kodi make application level volume adjustment within the app.
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1592 [12:21:37] <babilen> BlackDalek: Are you sure that output profile (7.1) is correct?
1593 [12:21:57] <babilen> Do you have a 7.1 setup?
1594 [12:22:13] <BlackDalek> u-st* /petn-randall, I can live with the fact that adjusting the "main" overall OS volume is impossible with this device. I just can't seem to get any independent app volume control
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1599 [12:23:11] <babilen> Can't you adjust per-application settings in the "Application" tab?
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1601 [12:23:32] <BlackDalek> babilen, that's another odd quirk. The device is called 5.1 in description but has only ever worked as 7.1 since I've had it. Also Debian gives no other configuration option for the device.
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1606 [12:24:34] <babilen> Sort of sounds (ba-dum-tsh) like a particular problem concerning that device
1607 [12:24:36] <BlackDalek> babilen, no, because when kodi is running full screen I have to access to the sound settings tabs
1608 [12:24:54] <BlackDalek> babilen, no, because when kodi is running full screen I have NO access to the sound settings tabs
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1610 [12:25:38] <babilen> Kodi presumably offers its own volume control though? It's expected that global volume control keys control system volume
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1612 [12:26:05] <BlackDalek> bablien, and beside I "should" be able to control "application" volume within Kodi, but for some reason I've not bee able to fathom, I can't
1613 [12:26:27] <babilen> "cat /proc/asound/cards" might be of interest. I'd investigate how that device is supported by Linux and which kernel/alsa version you need
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1615 [12:27:04] <babilen> I'm also not *too* knowledgable about anything sound, but that's probably the angle I'd use for attacking this problem
1616 [12:27:29] <babilen> Can you reproduce it on a different device (e.g. sound output on your mainboard) ?
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1619 [12:28:20] <babilen> I'm also more used to tools such as pavucontrol or paprefs -- Maybe check what they are offering?
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1621 [12:28:36] <babilen> Also check "alsamixer" and settings there
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1624 [12:29:21] <BlackDalek> babilen, no. The weird volume issue is exclusive to this particular device. Alsamixer controls sort of work. It lets me adjust main volume downward but not up.
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1630 [12:30:32] <babilen> So this isn't a general issue that concerns every device, but rather just a specific one
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1632 [12:30:58] <babilen> Look into alsa/linux support for that device. Maybe a newer kernel or alsa stack helps?
1633 [12:31:44] <BlackDalek> babilen, yes. Volume control for the internal audio device functions correctly. (This is a 2006 2nd gen Mac Mini by the way).
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1637 [12:34:32] <BlackDalek> babilen, given that this problem with this device has existed for several kernels with no solution, it's doubtful updating to a newer kernel will provide any improvement.
1638 [12:34:48] <babilen> Well, that's great. It means that you only have to figure out what is needed for that headset. Maybe look into the "cat /proc/asound/cards" output, ask #alsa and try newer kernels
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1640 [12:35:07] <babilen> Or get a different device that's supported by Linux
1641 [12:35:18] <babilen> Or write the missing alsa support yourself
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1643 [12:36:19] <babilen> I think the best way is to figure out the exact name/identifier for that device, investigate how/what supports it in Linux, see if that support has become more comprehensive in newer version (if so: try newer version) and if not: figure out what needs to get done
1644 [12:36:37] <babilen> For that you probably need the help of alsa/sound people rather than Debian people
1645 [12:37:21] <BlackDalek> babilen, ultimately I will be replacing the device. Just seeing if there was an simple fix to get it working tonight. Turned out to be more trouble than it's worth.
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1651 [12:39:00] <babilen> I'm sorry that I can't offer better advice, but I would - at least - have to see what ALSA thinks of it (e.g. delve into /proc/alsa/*)
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1653 [12:39:21] <babilen> Furthermore I think that #alsa is better equipped to help with this
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1664 [12:44:58] <bozza> where is the default place in debian to mount harddisk to in fstab?
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1666 [12:45:15] <bozza> /mnt/data?
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1671 [12:48:01] <petn-randall> bozza: There's no default.
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1673 [12:48:33] <petn-randall> bozza: But you can create any directory under /mnt/ and mount it there if you want.
1674 [12:48:46] <bozza> cool! thanks! :)
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1680 [12:51:22] <babilen> You could even mount it to /mnt/bozza/happyhappyjoyjoy
1681 [12:51:47] <babilen> Or /media/bozza/foobar
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1683 [12:51:53] <babilen> Endless opportunities
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1698 [12:56:38] <fpat> hello. is there a cli version of replaced-url
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1703 [12:58:45] <petn-randall> fpat: You can probably use it with links, then it's CLI. :)
1704 [12:58:55] <fpat> heh
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1720 [13:06:40] <bozza> babilen: happyhappyjoyjoy :) haha
1721 [13:06:46] <bozza> mounted it to /mnt/bla
1722 [13:07:03] <bozza> /media is also nice.. but /mnt it is
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1739 [13:13:19] <BlackDalek> no one is active in #alsa channel. Can't get help there tonight unfortunately. Back to the impossible to solve volume control issue.... what could be the possible reason why the Ubuntu version of Kodi adjusts the application volume but the Debian version of Kodi adjusts the main global volume?
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1743 [13:14:57] <babilen> BlackDalek: It would help if you were to answer the questions you're being asked in #alsa (and not every channel is as active as #debian)
1744 [13:15:04] <babilen> lunsj!
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1746 [13:15:32] <Haohmaru> also.. "tonight" ... it's noon here
1747 [13:16:32] <BlackDalek> babilen, when I last looked at the #alsa channel there were no question or activity for anyone. Someone has just asked the first question which I shall attend to now.
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1752 [13:18:13] <aias> Hi. I installed MySQL on Debian 9 but can't reset the root password. When logging in from the terminal as root it lets me in with any password. When logging in from a user account (-u root) it denies all passwords. I've tried updating the mysql.user password, tried using mysqladmin to reset the password, ran mysql_secure_installation and changed the password. I still can't login... Any ideas?
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1754 [13:18:51] <babilen> Isn't it using socket activation?
1755 [13:18:59] <babilen> Anyway .. off for lunch now
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1807 [13:53:18] <Sniffer101> hi guys
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1813 [13:55:23] <stoiss> Hm im having a problem with debian. I can see the network card in lspci but it doesnt show up under ifconfig or iwconfig. i can add a wireless network in my network manager UI but not discover wifi networks.
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1818 [13:58:22] <BlackDalek> Does any of the recently joined users here know anything about fixing USB audio issues? Problem device is replaced-url
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1822 [14:00:42] <jollyjester> hello everyone!
1823 [14:00:59] <Sniffer101> Hello Jester!
1824 [14:01:40] <jollyjester> does anyone know how to use emacs?
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1826 [14:02:10] <TvL2386> o/
1827 [14:02:14] <TvL2386> jollyjester: no
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1829 [14:02:30] <jollyjester> i'm currently trying to learn emacs and i would like someone to be my "tutor"
1830 [14:03:04] <TvL2386> check youtube :)
1831 [14:03:09] <TvL2386> there are a few tutorials
1832 [14:03:34] <jollyjester> i know that but i would like someone that i can ask questions to and teach me like a teacher
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1834 [14:03:48] <jollyjester> youtube videos aren't really that useful compared to someone personally teaching you
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1836 [14:05:22] <fiet> jollyjester: Try #emacs-beginner
1837 [14:05:31] <jollyjester> ok
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1839 [14:05:54] <jollyjester> fiet, it's empty...
1840 [14:06:09] <Sniffer101> I am the coder of the nation!
1841 [14:06:19] <Sniffer101> I can code the best code in the whole of the IRC!
1842 [14:06:20] <fiet> jollyjester: Sorry, I meant to say #emacs-beginners. Plural.
1843 [14:07:09] <jollyjester> fiet, ok
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1864 [14:19:19] <babilen> jollyjester: I'd recommend to start with "/join #emacs"
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1872 [14:20:21] <babilen> Ah .. there's a beginner channel now. In the end: I'd recommend to follow the built-in tutorial and to read the "Mastering Emacs" book maybe
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1887 [14:27:11] <annadane> which emacs? if you're using the one in stretch the emacs24-common-non-dfsg and emacs25-common-non-dfsg packages will install the manuals and suc
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1889 [14:27:40] <annadane> they're in non-free
1890 [14:28:38] <annadane> s/suc/such
1891 [14:29:28] <annadane> all the documentation should also be on gnu's website
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1897 [14:31:45] <annadane> (as well as guides for elisp)
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1912 [14:39:36] <padarc> Hello guys, i need a small hint. After standby my laptop turns the screen on and off for 5 times like every second. Where can i look why it does that?
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1918 [14:40:57] <Satou> Hello! A friend of mine is experiencing some troubles with testing, he's getting a lot of collisions shown up on ifconfig and web pages are taking forever to load, does anyone else experience this on testing?
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1920 [14:41:18] <annadane> !debian-next
1921 [14:41:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1922 [14:41:22] <annadane> Satou, ^
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1925 [14:41:31] <Satou> thanks annadane, sorry.
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1927 [14:41:50] <Satou> it would be nice if someone could invite me to it, as it is invite-only.
1928 [14:42:01] <annadane> Satou, pay close attention to the factoid
1929 [14:42:06] <annadane> (oftc, not freenode)
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1947 [14:47:26] <JJthomas> Could someone help me debug an audio issue? I've posted a bunch of info: replaced-url
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1959 [14:51:34] <ArlequInOut> JJthomas, maybe journalctl can give you more information
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1970 [14:56:29] <hahainternet> JJthomas: install 'pavucontrol', make sure that when you believe you're playing music it's shownig up in pulseaudio and has the correct destination set, do 'alsamixer', hit f6 and go to your sound card, make sure outputs have volume and are not muted
1971 [14:57:04] <hahainternet> it sounds like your default pulse sink is not set to the correct sound card to me
1972 [14:57:06] <JJthomas> Here is my journalctl replaced-url
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1976 [14:58:23] <hahainternet> you should see something like this, with a dancing blue bar at the bottom, except pointed at a real sound card: replaced-url
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1981 [14:59:13] <JJthomas> hahainternet: the blue bar is dancing, correct outputs are chosen :(
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1984 [14:59:35] <hahainternet> JJthomas: run alsamixer in a terminal, hit f6, select your sound card
1985 [14:59:43] <hahainternet> see if any of the outputs have MM instead of OO
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1987 [15:00:13] <hahainternet> should look like this: replaced-url
1988 [15:00:15] <JJthomas> one thing that is odd, in pavucontrol, it shows line out unplugged, and that was what I was using in the past (and it is plugged in)
1989 [15:00:29] <JJthomas> it also shows a headphones output, tried both and there is still no sound
1990 [15:00:34] <hahainternet> jack detection can be odd, and i personally don't use an internal sound card so i can't really help there
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1993 [15:00:59] <hahainternet> but if pulse is listing your card and there's a dancing bar, that means the pulse portion is working fine, you might want to go to 'output devices' in pavucontrol, make sure the output is turned up
1994 [15:01:08] <hahainternet> after that it's going to be alsa settings or mixer values
1995 [15:01:27] <hahainternet> my particular interface i can route every audio channel individually, i can't predict what the options will be on yours
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2001 [15:03:22] <JJthomas> honestly, i've tried everything within the gui of pavucontrol and alsamixer (i spent 9 hrs yesterday). im aware to make sure channels are not muted, spdif shoudl be muted in some circumstances to get anolog to work, etc
2002 [15:04:05] <hahainternet> JJthomas: you said before that you've killed pulseaudio and used vlc to talk to the sound card directly yes?
2003 [15:04:17] <hahainternet> and you were certain you had the right alsa device (from aplay -l and -L ?)
2004 [15:04:18] <JJthomas> i did not kill pulseaudio when i tried to do that :s
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2007 [15:04:55] <JJthomas> i did set vlc to use alsa and chose the correct device, yes i'm quite certain. it shows 2 outputs from the onboard audio, analog and digital
2008 [15:05:01] <JJthomas> ive been trying to use the analog
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2012 [15:05:37] <Raybih> Mormonism
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2015 [15:06:06] <hahainternet> JJthomas: you should kill pulse at the same to avoid any contention, it sounds like there's been some regression, although snd_hda_intel is not rare
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2017 [15:06:40] <hahainternet> i'm going to assume that its auto config w/ca0132 is incorrect
2018 [15:07:08] <hahainternet> JJthomas: it is the intel card right? or are you trying to do HDMI out?
2019 [15:07:52] <hahainternet> i see there's a couple of consistent issues along the lines of what you mentioned: replaced-url
2020 [15:08:00] <hahainternet> but not related to spdif, instead headphone autodetection
2021 [15:09:36] <hahainternet> right, apparently if this is an alienware built in, they don't have good databases for pin configurations, but it would be odd to change all of a sudden
2022 [15:09:57] <hahainternet> oh interesting actually
2023 [15:10:01] <hahainternet> 4.18 introduced a new patch
2024 [15:10:10] <hahainternet> which enables things like SoundBlaster Zx'
2025 [15:10:22] <hahainternet> way newer than what JJthomas is on anyway
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2028 [15:11:00] <JJthomas> i'm taking bwl123's advice from his reply, by removing the dedicated audio and focus on getting the onboard to work again
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2030 [15:11:13] <JJthomas> do you think upgrading the kernel may help?
2031 [15:11:24] <Raybih> , nontrinitarian denominations comprise a minority of modern Christianity.
2032 [15:11:48] <hahainternet> JJthomas: it's hard to tell, i don't know which is your dedicated and which is onboard etc
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2035 [15:12:42] <JJthomas> okay sorry, the realtek is onboard, card 0, and device 0 for analog
2036 [15:12:50] <JJthomas> which is what im trying to get working again
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2040 [15:13:30] <JJthomas> im happy to reinstall again, tempted to try 9.4 again but then I will be in the same situation in the future when I upgrade :/
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2045 [15:15:58] <hahainternet> JJthomas: it looks like the realtek might be better supported, it should be as simple as booting, logging in as root or whatever so pulse doesn't start
2046 [15:16:07] <hahainternet> and playing some audio into it with whatever you choose
2047 [15:16:16] <hahainternet> if that one doesn't work too, it sounds like something deeper is broken
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2051 [15:18:01] <JJthomas> okay - i will give that a shot and be back soon. thank you for your help thus far!
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2075 [15:28:53] <JJthomas> hahainternet: absolutely no luck :( logged in as root, made sure alsamixer settings were okay, and tried to do speaker-test and there was no sound
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2080 [15:29:43] <hahainternet> JJthomas: did you pass any parameters to speaker-test to make sure it was using that card
2081 [15:29:48] <hahainternet> i can't remember what it shows by default
2082 [15:30:10] <hahainternet> it could easily be defaulting to hdmi out
2083 [15:30:27] <JJthomas> yes i ran, speaker-test --device plughw:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
2084 [15:30:37] <JJthomas> which would be onboard sound, analog
2085 [15:30:40] <hahainternet> but your card is a realtek, not an intel?
2086 [15:30:47] <hahainternet> oh i suppose it's hda_intel_realtek isn't it
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2088 [15:30:52] <JJthomas> yup ^
2089 [15:30:54] <hahainternet> or some craziness
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2091 [15:31:23] <hahainternet> JJthomas: honestly then i am a little lost at the next step of debugging, if everything has come up correctly and the card appears correctly
2092 [15:31:28] <hahainternet> the channels arne't muted but you still get nothing out
2093 [15:31:37] <hahainternet> i am afraid that is probably as far as i can help you debug
2094 [15:31:50] <hahainternet> it's a particularly odd one
2095 [15:32:10] <JJthomas> okay well i really appreciate your help and effort.
2096 [15:32:25] <hahainternet> i'm really confused by this behaviour
2097 [15:32:31] <hahainternet> there must be something obvious that's been missed
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2102 [15:33:38] <hahainternet> a few mentions on google of audio not working with them
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2106 [15:34:08] <JJthomas> im getting so much weird behavior, now after a fresh boot, i tried to play vlc through the output and it says its busy
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2108 [15:34:18] <hahainternet> JJthomas: that's normal if pulse has started or similar
2109 [15:34:18] <JJthomas> device or resource busy
2110 [15:34:21] <JJthomas> ah ok
2111 [15:34:22] <hahainternet> they occupy the card
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2113 [15:34:26] <hahainternet> and then they do software mixing
2114 [15:34:48] <hahainternet> interestingly, there's some gpio options
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2116 [15:35:00] <hahainternet> not sure how to set those in linux
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2119 [15:35:37] <JJthomas> hmm ill check it out. i'm going to try a fresh install with only alsa and onboard and update my forum post
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2122 [15:35:51] <JJthomas> so its less confusing for people to help me, thank you very much man
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2128 [15:36:20] <hahainternet> JJthomas: roger
2129 [15:36:22] <hahainternet> JJthomas: best of luck
2130 [15:36:26] <JJthomas> cheers
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2201 [16:09:57] <han-solo> Hello
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2203 [16:10:16] <han-solo> Is there any way to see which processes are using a kernel module ?
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2211 [16:13:34] <petn-randall> han-solo: the kernel tends to use kernel modules, not any userland processes.
2212 [16:13:40] <petn-randall> han-solo: What are you trying to achieve?
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2230 [16:21:56] <han-solo> petn-randall: I have this module, and some processes maybe using it, and when i try to rmmod, it is busy
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2232 [16:22:21] <han-solo> So i was thinking a right way to find th processes and stop it, and remove the module
2233 [16:22:24] <greycat> What module, and why are you trying to rmmod it?
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2235 [16:23:27] <han-solo> pf_ring
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2237 [16:23:58] <greycat> not in the standard stretch kernel, that's for sure...
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2239 [16:24:01] <han-solo> how do one associate a module with a process ? Other than by checking all the process that this module may likely use :/
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2242 [16:24:25] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah, it's a third party one. Quite good, i must say :)
2243 [16:25:09] <greycat> "PF_RING™ is a new type of network socket that dramatically improves the packet capture speed..." so why are you trying to remove it?
2244 [16:25:13] <petn-randall> han-solo: If you can't unload it, it's likely a bug. If it doesn't unload even after restart, I'd file a bug against the upstream project.
2245 [16:25:48] <greycat> If it's related to networks and packet capturing, then the obvious userspace process that would be "using" it would be tcpdump or wireshark or something similar.
2246 [16:25:52] <han-solo> greycat: I want to stop it, and install a new one, at times :), systemctl may likely error out in some cases
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2251 [16:27:27] <greycat> "PF_RING™ is polling packets from NICs by means of Linux NAPI. This means that NAPI copies packets from the NIC to the PF_RING™ circular buffer, and then the userland application reads packets from ring. In this scenario, there are two pollers, both the application and NAPI"
2252 [16:27:35] <han-solo> greycat: tcpdump and wireshark uses libpcap, i think. The users can use this pf_ring API, to write
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2254 [16:28:08] <han-solo> petn-randall: unload as in ? rmmod -f ?
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2256 [16:28:40] <petn-randall> han-solo: Unload as in 'rmmod pf_ring'.
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2258 [16:29:13] <petn-randall> han-solo: `rmmod -f` is unsafe, taints your kernel, and may kill your cat.
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2261 [16:30:30] <han-solo> petn-randall: Yeah, i want a gracefull unload as well
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2263 [16:31:18] <han-solo> petn-randall: Okay, i think, maybe i should check the latest nightly build, and see if it unloads gracefully
2264 [16:31:27] <han-solo> otherwise raise a bug
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2267 [16:32:17] <greycat> replaced-url
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2269 [16:33:42] <han-solo> greycat: Damn, i forgot i can get the stats to check the processes
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2271 [16:33:48] <han-solo> greycat: Thanks
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2273 [16:34:23] <han-solo> greycat: but, just out of curiosity, should there be a way to check which all processes are using a module ?
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2275 [16:35:04] <greycat> han-solo: it's like asking who's breathing the oxygen in the room
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2277 [16:35:11] <han-solo> :)
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2279 [16:36:07] <greycat> At any given nanosecond, a process may be issuing a system call that "uses" some of the code that has been loaded by this module, but then it stops when the syscall ends, or even before the syscall ends.
2280 [16:36:08] <blockflaw> well, rmmod it and see which process will fail or segfault :)
2281 [16:36:37] <greycat> blockflaw: other modules that "depend" on it are preventing it from being removed
2282 [16:36:39] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah
2283 [16:37:07] <greycat> replaced-url
2284 [16:37:10] <blockflaw> greycat: yeah it's not as straightforward as that, but it's one way.
2285 [16:37:15] <greycat> ... shit.
2286 [16:37:45] <blockflaw> I see.
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2288 [16:37:48] <greycat> how in the hell did that even happen
2289 [16:37:48] <han-solo> greycat: ?
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2292 [16:38:14] <greycat> oh, page up is next to home... maybe I fat-fingered the home key
2293 [16:38:21] <blockflaw> greycat: latop, you palm pressed on the touchpad a split second before ctrlshiftv and it moved the cursor at the beginning? :)
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2295 [16:38:32] <greycat> Not a laptop.
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2418 [17:43:11] <lilith93> hi, I want to execute a script under Debian but it asks me for a sudo password after some steps. I only have a root (su) password. Is it save to execute the whole script as root (su)?
2419 [17:43:41] <greycat> Depends on the script. In general, no, you'd need to rewrite parts of it.
2420 [17:43:43] <lilith93> It's a programm installation script
2421 [17:44:06] <lilith93> ok
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2423 [17:44:35] <lilith93> What's the common solution then?
2424 [17:44:37] <lilith93> thanks
2425 [17:44:51] <greycat> but if you're actually being prompted by sudo, rather than getting "sudo: command not found", that means sudo is installed
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2428 [17:45:18] <greycat> shouldn't be hard to add yourself to the sudo group (temporarily or permanently) so you can run the thing
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2430 [17:45:36] <lilith93> sudo seems to be installed
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2435 [17:47:31] <lilith93> ok, seems to be explained here: replaced-url
2436 [17:47:45] <han-solo> i don't have sudo :)
2437 [17:48:04] <greycat> It's not installed by default unless you enter a blank root password during the install.
2438 [17:48:30] <han-solo> i don't have much liking to sudo :)
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2445 [17:52:52] <BCMM> lilith93: have you looked to see if there's a more civilised way of installing the program? like a debian package or something?
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2448 [17:53:46] <lilith93> BCMM: I could wait until I get feedback from the dev. It's experimental... Maybe he can implement a solution quickly
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2451 [17:54:24] <greycat> If you trust the existing install script, just add yourself to the sudo group, "exec su - $LOGNAME" to pick up the new group, and run it.
2452 [17:54:41] <lilith93> greycat: It should be save, yes
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2455 [17:55:44] <lilith93> greycat: "exec su - $marco" in the terminal?
2456 [17:55:53] <lilith93> marco is my username
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2458 [17:55:59] <greycat> $LOGNAME or marco, not $marco
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2460 [17:56:38] <lilith93> ok , what about "sudo adduser foo" from the the wiki?
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2462 [17:56:52] <greycat> I don't know how much hand-holding you require.
2463 [17:57:13] <greycat> "adduser marco sudo" as root to add yourself to the sudo group
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2465 [17:57:33] <lilith93> ok, this I can try ...
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2467 [17:58:29] <lilith93> now it told me that I'm in rout
2468 [17:58:48] <lilith93> when I type group I "sudo is not listed though
2469 [17:58:55] <greycat> *sigh*
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2471 [17:59:22] <babilen> ""exec su - $LOGNAME" to pick up the new group, and run it."
2472 [17:59:23] <greycat> The intent was that you would perform the following steps, in order: 1) su 2) adduser marco sudo 3) exit 4) exec su - marco 5) ./the_installer
2473 [17:59:46] <greycat> So now I know how much hand-holding was needed: all of it.
2474 [17:59:55] <lilith93> yes :)
2475 [18:00:02] <lilith93> I should mention it before
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2482 [18:01:59] <lilith93> that worked
2483 [18:02:01] <lilith93> thanks
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2485 [18:02:26] <lilith93> Is it save to leave me in the sudo group or should I take it out again?
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2487 [18:02:47] <greycat> The next time you log completely out and back in, you'll be in the sudo group in every process. For now, you're only in the sudo group in that ONE terminal where you did the su.
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2489 [18:03:02] <greycat> It's safe if you trust yourself.
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2491 [18:03:32] <ardualabs> I know I don't. :P
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2494 [18:04:11] <greycat> I'd say the majority of Debian users allow themselves sudo access, if they're the ones who actually installed Debian.
2495 [18:04:15] <greycat> Just a guess.
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2503 [18:08:44] <blockflaw> if anything, sudo should be more secure because it doens't require root's pass and sudoers file can limit exactly what's invoked through sudo.
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2505 [18:09:18] <greycat> It's a safe bet lilith93 will not be editing the sudoers file.
2506 [18:09:45] <lilith93> what the opposite to adduser?
2507 [18:10:07] <greycat> Do you mean the part about removing your group membership? Personally I would edit the group file by hand.
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2510 [18:10:28] <lilith93> greycat: yes
2511 [18:10:32] <greycat> Or, well, I would just leave myself in the sudo group. Really. But if you WANTED to remove yourself from that group for some reason....
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2513 [18:10:55] <lilith93> just to know how to do it
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2515 [18:11:49] <foul_owl> What's the canonical tool for failing over a floating ip? keepalived? or something else?
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2517 [18:11:59] <greycat> Edit the file /etc/group using your favorite text editor as root, or through the "vigr" command which will invoke an editor that it thinks you want to use, whether that's what you want or not. Then find the sudo line, find the part with marco, and ... edit it.
2518 [18:12:05] <foul_owl> Basically just trying to create a HA ssh bastion server
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2520 [18:12:26] <foul_owl> So literally all that has to happen is have the IP failover if either server goes down
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2522 [18:12:58] <foul_owl> I suppose maybe I could use haproxy to have a pool of server, but two is probably fine for my needs
2523 [18:13:25] <lilith93> greycat: ok thanks
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2525 [18:14:09] <foul_owl> Or keepalived might keep a pool also
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2567 [18:29:00] <lilith93> again me ... after adding me into the sudo group synaptic is not accepting the root password anymore, I have to type in the sudo password
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2570 [18:29:15] <lilith93> Is that normal?
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2573 [18:30:38] <razer2> I think I found a bug in Synaptic. I typed "reportbug" in the terminal. It is asking for my real name. Does everybody use that? Will it be public somewhere?
2574 [18:31:05] <razer2> synaptic File -> Add Download Packge doesn't seem to work. Can somebody check?
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2576 [18:31:19] <annadane> it asks for the name you want to file the bug under
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2578 [18:31:27] <annadane> it can literally be any nonsense made up thing
2579 [18:31:37] <annadane> but it will be visible so if you don't want it publically seen ...
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2581 [18:32:01] <razer2> annadane, ok. Can you check if Synaptic File -> Add Downloaded Package works for you with a downloaded package you got from the web?
2582 [18:32:28] <themill> razer2: bugs are publicly filed, just as reportbug says
2583 [18:32:47] <razer2> ok. Could you guys try Synaptic and see before I file this?
2584 [18:33:02] <greycat> nobody uses synaptic; that's why it has so many bugs
2585 [18:33:13] <razer2> greycat, Ah, that is pretty crazy.
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2587 [18:33:21] <annadane> synaptic kills my synapses
2588 [18:33:47] <razer2> greycat, Why not just remove it until it is ready? Can you use filtering commands on apt to do everything synaptic does?
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2590 [18:34:15] <razer2> Like, list by category, I also wonder if I can just list non-distro packaages that are installed?
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2592 [18:34:32] <razer2> Or, what about aptitude?
2593 [18:34:58] <razer2> This seems to be the downside of open source software.
2594 [18:35:23] <razer2> Its just like anarchy.
2595 [18:35:57] * annadane flips a car.
2596 [18:37:08] <razer2> Do you know if many people use aptitiude? Or just apt?
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2599 [18:37:25] <annadane> in all seriousness debian stable is not promised to be bug free
2600 [18:37:27] <greycat> ,popcon aptitude
2601 [18:37:28] <judd> Popcon data for aptitude: inst: 127204, vote: 22921, old: 100377, recent: 3830, nofiles: 76
2602 [18:37:31] <annadane> the maintainers try their best
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2604 [18:37:54] <greycat> ,popcon synaptic
2605 [18:37:55] <judd> Popcon data for synaptic: inst: 84786, vote: 11970, old: 61656, recent: 11110, nofiles: 50
2606 [18:38:03] <razer2> I guess. If that feature really doesn't work it seems crazy to have it as a menu option until the feature becomes available.
2607 [18:38:03] <annadane> you just get *less* bugs and less *destructive* bugs compared to say, sid
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2609 [18:38:30] <razer2> Unless you are just trying to torture people.
2610 [18:39:30] <greycat> "synaptic creates a .gpg file that breaks apt" was a pretty fun bug
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2612 [18:39:32] <razer2> Maybe I'm just doing something wrong and it isn't intuitive. If somebody could reporoduce the issue that would help.
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2616 [18:40:20] <razer2> Not being intuitive is sort of a bug, but not as bad.
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2629 [18:43:14] <razer2> Quality control issues just drive me crazy. I don't like releasing features or software that doesn't work.
2630 [18:43:41] <razer2> It is like a total violation of software and the user.
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2634 [18:44:51] <razer2> The snap for Spotify doesn't run on Debian. Anyone else had issues with snaps?
2635 [18:45:03] <rant> you can have a full refund
2636 [18:45:18] <razer2> You get what you pay for.
2637 [18:45:42] <blackflow> razer2: the issues I had was that it didn't automatically create a nice .desktop or launcher, like on ubuntu. had to put stuff it in the path manually.
2638 [18:45:47] <blackflow> otherwise it worked.
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2640 [18:46:00] <annadane> anyway let me try the synaptic thing in a VM
2641 [18:46:06] <annadane> i don't really feel like installing it on my main system
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2644 [18:48:21] <razer2> ah, well it not being installed by default is a positive. I must have installed it I guess.
2645 [18:48:45] <razer2> Maybe a way to mark software beta in the stable release would be helpful.
2646 [18:48:47] <greycat> It probably gets dragged in by some desktop environments.
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2651 [18:50:01] <annadane> "aptitude why synaptic"
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2656 [18:52:45] <annadane> so uh... ok, steps to reproduce? start synaptic as root and add download package?
2657 [18:52:56] <annadane> also, what are you actually trying to install, i hope not random packages from the internet
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2659 [18:53:20] <razer2> annadane, Yes a non-depository package. Why?
2660 [18:53:27] <annadane> !frankendebian
2661 [18:53:27] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
2662 [18:53:27] <razer2> It is Discord.
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2664 [18:53:52] <annadane> i mean discord has a tar available, you don't need to give it full access to your machine
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2666 [18:54:42] <razer2> Well, that is what I did with Firefox. I just used the tar, but then I got convinced .deb was better.
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2668 [18:54:57] <annadane> yeah, it isn't
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2670 [18:55:43] <razer2> That Firefox was buggy too from Mozilla so I switched by to the Debian Distribution version.
2671 [18:57:07] <annadane> firefox-esr
2672 [18:57:11] <razer2> .deb does automatically integrate with the interface as far as finding the program. I'm not sure on how to integrate executables with the desktop or search.
2673 [18:57:14] <annadane> i hope
2674 [18:57:31] <razer2> Yeah 52.9.0 ESR
2675 [18:57:59] <razer2> I tried the latest 60 Quantum ESR from Mozilla and things were buggy
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2678 [18:58:21] <razer2> At least I think it was related to the version. I had trouble scrolling not working.
2679 [18:58:21] <blackflow> don't blame the fox, works superbly well here.
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2681 [18:58:45] <razer2> You run the latest Firefox tar from Mozilla?
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2683 [18:59:32] <blackflow> no, sid's FF
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2685 [18:59:45] <razer2> blackflow, oh that might be better
2686 [18:59:49] <shdeuce> Jello! Do seperate partitions provide an extra layer of security? What about btrfs subvolumes?
2687 [19:00:07] <razer2> blackflow, They also say not to do apt pinning. There is a warning about that.
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2690 [19:00:31] <razer2> I'm using just stable plus backports
2691 [19:00:31] <blackflow> razer2: yeah, don't. I understand the risk.
2692 [19:00:38] <blackflow> if I break it I keep the pieces, also.
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2694 [19:01:16] <blackflow> shdeuce: well... in a way, that you can partition which parts of the fs may exec, suid, etc...
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2696 [19:02:11] <annadane> see here's the thing, if i reproduce this, i have no idea if it's a bug or not because i don't use synaptic so i have absolutely no clue what intended behavior is
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2702 [19:04:19] <shdeuce> blackflow: There is no other benefit?
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2707 [19:05:37] <blackflow> shdeuce: security wise? no, just different mount options one can utilize for a "least privilege" policy. with btrfs you have the ability to facilitate proper snapshots and easy backup wiht send|receive, so it has security value in that too.
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2711 [19:06:53] <blackflow> shdeuce: I don't use btrfs, I use ZFS. with that, one can rm -rf /everything and I can just shrug and 'zfs rollback'. with remoting backup snapshots it's even easier as I can delegate through zfs delegation, that the user can send a snapshot, but not destroy it.
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2717 [19:10:23] <annadane> razer2, the option is only meant to be used with the other option above it, itself meant to be used only with the programs that are already in synaptic, not third party
2718 [19:10:30] <annadane> so i'd say "not a bug"
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2721 [19:10:53] <razer2> So like downloading .deb from debian website?
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2724 [19:12:18] <shdeuce> blackflow: Thanks a lot. That was useful input.
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2728 [19:12:43] <annadane> anyway, honestly, i'd rather not use synaptic for installing stuff
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2743 [19:26:31] <razer2> annadane, just apt I presume. That is what I use normally I guess.
2744 [19:27:03] <annadane> mhm. and honestly stay away from .deb's in general, you don't want to install every untrusted thing under the sun
2745 [19:27:39] <razer2> annadane, Ok, yeah. That was my original thought. Though it was more about messing up the system than not trusting in the malicious sense.
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2747 [19:27:57] <annadane> bit of column A bit of column B
2748 [19:28:00] <razer2> I think debs are basically packages from the distributor of the distro is the right way to think of it.
2749 [19:28:23] <greycat> A .deb is a file made by anyone who wants to make one.
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2751 [19:28:27] <razer2> That is their purpose.
2752 [19:28:43] <razer2> Yeah, but you should think of it like that from a procedure, not technology, standpoint.
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2755 [19:29:13] <razer2> Anyone can create a .deb, but the ideal purpose is for the distribution
2756 [19:29:27] <razer2> And if a deb isn't part of the distribution, well
2757 [19:29:41] <greycat> Debian makes .deb files and those are typically good, at least by the time they get into a stable release. Then there are companies like Google that make .deb files for things like google-chrome-stable, and those are pretty good too. Then there's EVERYTHING ELSE.
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2760 [19:29:55] <greycat> The problem is that last category.
2761 [19:30:10] <razer2> So a company like Discord making a deb.
2762 [19:30:37] <annadane> and it's also just a good habit to get into security-wise. the repository is already trusted; for everything else there's tarballs
2763 [19:30:59] <dutchfish> there is a good reason why something is not in the Debian repos. If you think otherwise, feel free to ask for a sponsor and package it yourself.
2764 [19:31:04] <razer2> Yeah and tarballs seem to work in many cases. I've tried snaps and flatpaks that don't work though.
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2769 [19:31:58] <razer2> I told the flatpak repostory and they were like "yeah we know that one doesn't work" and I was like this is insane you would post that!
2770 [19:32:23] <razer2> It is like gaslighting people like some kind of psychological torture.
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2772 [19:32:54] <annadane> (oh hey flatpak is also in the debian repository!)
2773 [19:33:18] <razer2> I mean a flatpak app, not the flatpak platform
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2775 [19:33:42] <razer2> the flatpakk installer works, but a specific flatpack app didn't and they knew.
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2777 [19:34:02] <razer2> And the Spotify snap doesn't work on Debian.
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2779 [19:34:12] <greycat> Example from the EVERYTHING ELSE category: replaced-url
2780 [19:34:37] <razer2> got to restart
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2807 [19:46:00] <KdeKris> Anyone know about why my FirePro 6100m isn't using hardware rendering?
2808 [19:46:35] <KdeKris> I've got xorg.0.log on paste if you need it. And a whole list of other stuff I've tried over the last 24 hours to go through.
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2810 [19:46:38] <greycat> If that's a video card, chances are you need to install some non-free firmware for it, or a non-free driver, or both.
2811 [19:46:49] <KdeKris> replaced-url
2812 [19:46:57] <towo`> all done in #debian on oftc.net
2813 [19:46:58] <KdeKris> Already got the nonfree driver and firmware.
2814 [19:47:12] <towo`> there is no nonfree driver
2815 [19:47:17] <KdeKris> Yeah, towo` here has been helping me most of the day.
2816 [19:47:39] <greycat> What's the PCI ID?
2817 [19:48:43] <KdeKris> How would I find that/
2818 [19:48:46] <KdeKris> ?
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2820 [19:48:50] <greycat> lspci -nn
2821 [19:48:51] <towo`> lspci -nn
2822 [19:48:55] <greycat> should have been the VERY FIRST THING you did
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2826 [19:50:22] <KdeKris> greycat, sorry, I don't have a ton of commands memorized. Everything I do is learn as I go right now.
2827 [19:50:23] <KdeKris> replaced-url
2828 [19:50:30] <KdeKris> output of lspci -nn
2829 [19:50:58] <greycat> ,pciid 1002:6640
2830 [19:50:59] <judd> [1002:6640] is 'Saturn XT [FirePro M6100]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2831 [19:51:08] <annadane> hey at least you're running stable, unlike me, who tried using sid within literally the first 3 months of any debian use at all
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2834 [19:51:42] <annadane> (i mean i'm on stable *now*...)
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2837 [19:53:33] <KdeKris> judd, that link shows that it works since kernel 3.16.0, I'm on 4.16.0. should work then, but I'm still getting software rendering with llvmpipe.
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2839 [19:53:45] <greycat> I'm not trusting kmuto.jp's results these days.
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2842 [19:54:29] <greycat> here's some devs in #radeon talking about it last year: replaced-url
2843 [19:54:42] <KdeKris> I'm confident I was getting hardware rendering on the old gpu (radeon HD6970M) because performance was actually there, and I got 55-60fps in most games. It just didn't support OpenGL 3.0 or greater, which is why I upgraded.
2844 [19:55:13] <greycat> The GPU may be too new for stretch's kernel & drivers, maybe.
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2848 [19:56:17] <KdeKris> It's five years old though...
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2850 [19:56:30] <KdeKris> How old does it have to be?
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2856 [19:57:24] <greycat> If you're using the stretch drivers and the non-free firmware for this device, and it's still not working, you could ask in #radeon.
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2859 [19:57:59] <KdeKris> I'm getting this nick registered with nickserv now so I can do just that.
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2865 [20:00:01] <dutchfish> that card is supported since 4.2, but, you probably need a recent amdgpu driver not radeon
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2868 [20:00:23] <KdeKris> so, maybe use the driver from backports?
2869 [20:00:37] <dutchfish> KdeKris, you could try that
2870 [20:00:45] <towo`> dutchfish, no, amdgpu does not support that card
2871 [20:00:55] <towo`> that's an old radeonsi
2872 [20:01:03] <dutchfish> towo`, are you sure? see: replaced-url
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2874 [20:01:10] <towo`> and kernel is clearly using radeon, not amdgpu
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2877 [20:01:52] <KdeKris> Kernel might be using radeon because my old card was radeon. But would that persist through a kernel upgrade?
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2880 [20:02:10] <towo`> dutchfish, the stretch kernel has not activated CIK support original
2881 [20:02:48] <dutchfish> totonika, hence i advised a newer kernel and amdgpu from backports to try.
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2883 [20:03:05] <towo`> and for sure, i would ask in #radeon
2884 [20:03:10] <dutchfish> oops that was for towo`
2885 [20:03:21] <dutchfish> or that, sure
2886 [20:03:29] <towo`> dutchfish, radeon is supporting that chipset since years
2887 [20:03:45] <KdeKris> I did the kernel upgrade about an hour ago. I'll try the drivers and firmware before I go over to #radeon and retell my story for the millionth time.
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2890 [20:04:47] <dutchfish> towo`, you giving me doubt, but check in here replaced-url
2891 [20:05:06] <KdeKris> already got backports in sources.list, so my command would be "apt -t stretch-backports linux-firmware-nonfree"
2892 [20:05:15] <KdeKris> and I don't remember the driver package name.
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2894 [20:06:03] <dutchfish> KdeKris, if i am not mistaken libdrm-amdgpu1
2895 [20:06:40] <dutchfish> KdeKris, along with xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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2897 [20:06:55] <KdeKris> Aren't there a bunch of associated packages and dependencies that will install with those?
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2901 [20:07:13] <dutchfish> KdeKris, but only if it is realyy amdgpu and not radeon, i am in doubt now
2902 [20:07:29] <dutchfish> KdeKris, yes
2903 [20:07:31] <towo`> dutchfish, that wouldn't be enaught, since the kernel is loading radeon kernel module
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2907 [20:07:55] <dutchfish> towo`, wrong, this works for me on other cards
2908 [20:08:04] <dutchfish> towo`, that i am sure off
2909 [20:08:06] <towo`> never ever
2910 [20:08:07] <KdeKris> So my command will look like "sudo apt -t stretch-backports linux-firmware-nonfree libdrm-amdgpu1 xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"?
2911 [20:08:24] <towo`> amdgpu ddx can'tr be used if radeon as kernel module is running
2912 [20:08:24] <dutchfish> towo`, enlighten me
2913 [20:08:38] <dutchfish> towo`, correct
2914 [20:08:45] <xsisec> hi guys I have installed eclipse on my debian machine, though the window code is flickering, so my question is How can I see the hopefully reason to this from the console?
2915 [20:09:01] <xsisec> to do this"
2916 [20:09:03] <towo`> dutchfish, and on KdeKris system, kernel is loading radeon, not amdgpu
2917 [20:09:06] <dutchfish> towo`, its either radeon OR amdgpu
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2921 [20:09:44] <KdeKris> What if my kernel is loading the wrong module though?
2922 [20:09:53] <dutchfish> KdeKris, good thought
2923 [20:10:21] <KdeKris> What if all the firmware and drivers are correct, but can't load correctly because the kernel isn't doing what it should?
2924 [20:10:30] <KdeKris> How would I go about checking that?
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2926 [20:10:32] <dutchfish> KdeKris, the confusion excists from the past, formerly all cards were radeon
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2928 [20:11:02] <dutchfish> KdeKris, up to the 4.x kernels, then it was devided in to radeon and amdgpu
2929 [20:11:16] <KdeKris> If the kernel is loading radeon, would it hurt anything to make it load amdgpu somehow (I have no idea how I'd do this)?
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2931 [20:11:29] <KdeKris> As a test, to see if that's the issue.
2932 [20:11:44] <towo`> you would need to blacklist radeon
2933 [20:11:49] <dutchfish> KdeKris, just try it (with a newer kernel) if the kernel or the card isnt capable it ownt load
2934 [20:11:58] <towo`> and you would need to add amdgpu to /etc/modules
2935 [20:12:37] <KdeKris> dutchfish, I upgraded to 4.16 kernel a little while ago, and that didn't change anything.
2936 [20:12:59] <KdeKris> might be like towo` said, need to add amdgpu to /etc/modules and blacklist radeon.
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2938 [20:13:08] <KdeKris> then cross my fingers and hope it still boots.
2939 [20:13:13] <towo`> KdeKris, not enought
2940 [20:13:16] <dutchfish> KdeKris, if you have an Xorg.conf, you prolly want to set it aside.
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2942 [20:13:41] <dutchfish> KdeKris, most amd cards no longer need that config anymore
2943 [20:13:48] <towo`> KdeKris, you have to rebuild initramfs and deleting the created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf
2944 [20:14:01] <dutchfish> towo`, correct
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2947 [20:14:45] <KdeKris> sound's like something to save for when I have more time? Or is it a fairly quick process. I know deleting 20-radeon.conf is as simple as 'sudo rm -rf'
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2949 [20:15:10] <dutchfish> KdeKris, dont delete configs, set them aside
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2952 [20:15:18] <dutchfish> (just in case)
2953 [20:15:20] <KdeKris> rename to *.bak
2954 [20:15:28] <dutchfish> fair enough
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2959 [20:15:52] <KdeKris> they werent there before and towo` had me create it earlier today before I upgraded kernel.
2960 [20:16:07] <dutchfish> ah ic
2961 [20:16:24] <KdeKris> So deleting probably wouldn't change anything.
2962 [20:16:46] <dutchfish> you prolly dont need them either (all my amd cards so far work without it) that is on the newer kernels
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2966 [20:17:17] <dutchfish> i make a habbit of cp my old configs to /root/backup (just in case)
2967 [20:17:19] <KdeKris> And i'm on the newest kernel (that I'm aware of)
2968 [20:17:35] <foul_owl> Whats the canonical tool for floating ip failover? keepalived? Or something else?
2969 [20:17:44] <foul_owl> Just trying to set up an HA ssh bastion
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2971 [20:18:02] <dutchfish> KdeKris, not 'the' newest, but that one will do
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2973 [20:18:47] <KdeKris> What's the newest?
2974 [20:19:10] <dutchfish> KdeKris, i am testing 4.17.7 right now. I dont advise to use that one (yet)
2975 [20:19:35] <KdeKris> okay, so newer than 4.16.0 would be unstable?
2976 [20:19:49] <dutchfish> KdeKris, along with a newer kernel comes a newer ABI most of the time.
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2979 [20:20:46] <dutchfish> KdeKris, i you want newer, and this is not a production system. You maybe want Debian/testing. But i advise to test out the BPO ones first.
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2981 [20:21:17] <dutchfish> (easiest to coop with)
2982 [20:21:27] <KdeKris> I think I'm okay without testing something that might be unstable.
2983 [20:21:38] <dutchfish> right
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2986 [20:21:54] <KdeKris> I'm currently deployed and about 5,000 miles from home, so I do need my laptop for actual work sometimes.
2987 [20:22:24] <dutchfish> KdeKris, then stick to stable and maybe BPO if that doesnt work is a sane choice.
2988 [20:22:45] <KdeKris> Exactly what I'm doing. :-)
2989 [20:22:50] <dutchfish> ;)
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2992 [20:23:33] <KdeKris> Check this paste out. does it mean that amdgpu and radeon modules are both being loaded?
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2997 [20:23:53] <KdeKris> replaced-url
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2999 [20:23:59] <dutchfish> KdeKris, if all doesnt work out, come back and just ask. Also, some logs might help us.
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3002 [20:24:51] <dutchfish> KdeKris, you prolly need to get rid of the radeon driver, to know for sure.
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3004 [20:25:02] <KdeKris> heres one with grep amdgpu
3005 [20:25:03] <KdeKris> replaced-url
3006 [20:25:05] <greycat> ("get rid of" = blacklist)
3007 [20:25:15] <dutchfish> KdeKris, and update your initramfs again
3008 [20:25:28] <dutchfish> greycat, or that
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3010 [20:26:28] <KdeKris> couple quick google searches show that that shouldn't take to long. I'll try it and hopefully don't kill my kernel in the process. I still have the old 4.9 kernel to boot if something goes wrong though.
3011 [20:26:34] <RichardC> Hey everyone. I've been experiencing an issue with computer slowdowns during periods of high disk IO on my SSD. I've attempted changing the IO scheduler from None to MQ-Deadline but that doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions here?
3012 [20:27:01] <RichardC> From what I can tell, SSD's firmware is up-to-date.
3013 [20:27:12] <dutchfish> KdeKris, libdrm-radeon1 is probably the one to ommit
3014 [20:27:28] <dutchfish> (or blacklist radeon)
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3018 [20:28:05] <KdeKris> omitting libdrm-radeon1 and blacklisting radeon would be two different processes correct/
3019 [20:28:06] <KdeKris> ?
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3022 [20:28:39] <dutchfish> KdeKris, by ommiting i ment uninstall. And, yes, 2 ways to coop with this.
3023 [20:29:21] <KdeKris> Which way is less likely to break something?
3024 [20:29:33] <dutchfish> KdeKris, blacklisting
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3028 [20:30:13] <KdeKris> okay, I'll do that then. Back in a few.
3029 [20:30:18] <dutchfish> KdeKris, and also, you will be back on radeon, just in case this doesnt work in a jiffy.
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3035 [20:35:21] <razer1> So maybe what is needed if a person wants to use debian is a guide of what to use and what not to use. Because it sounds like Debian is not a final os platform. It is a make your own solution from what is available.
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3039 [20:35:58] <razer1> Meaning if many things don't work etc. Sort of like a guide for a person to use Debian instead of say Ubuntu or Pop OS.
3040 [20:36:23] <KdeKris> dutchfish, I'd just boot the 4.9 kernel and unblacklist radeon, correct?
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3042 [20:36:48] <razer1> Sort of like buying materials vs. a product.
3043 [20:37:01] <dutchfish> KdeKris, correct
3044 [20:37:16] <annadane> razer1, replaced-url
3045 [20:37:26] <KdeKris> Also, and let the debian gods forgive me for linking this here, but would this be, essentially, the way to go about blacklisting radeon?
3046 [20:37:28] <KdeKris> replaced-url
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3049 [20:37:56] <dutchfish> !blacklist
3050 [20:37:57] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
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3054 [20:38:29] <johnfg> hi folks
3055 [20:38:57] <KdeKris> Well son-of-a... I need to learn to interact with the channel bot more.
3056 [20:38:59] <johnfg> Seems I may have asked about this before, but I don't remember if a solution was proposed.
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3059 [20:39:32] <johnfg> I'm running the latest stretch, all updates applied, with Mate as my DE, and bash as my shell.
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3062 [20:40:06] <annadane> !tell KdeKris about search dpkg
3063 [20:40:32] <johnfg> However, my .bash_profile is not setting the PATH as I expect, but I have to run . .bash_profile for it to be read.
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3066 [20:40:49] <johnfg> Is there something else I need to do to have it read at login?
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3075 [20:44:44] <somiaj> johnfg: .bash_profile is only read on login shells, not interactive shells, then .bashrc is read. man bash for more details
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3077 [20:45:18] <greycat> johnfg: how do you login? Via a GUI Display Manager?
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3082 [20:46:25] <greycat> if so, see replaced-url
3083 [20:46:27] <KdeKris> Thanks for that annadane.
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3087 [20:47:09] <KdeKris> dutchfish, towo`, greycat, everyone, I've blacklisted radeon, and updated initramfs....gonna reboot.
3088 [20:47:12] <KdeKris> fingers crossed.
3089 [20:47:25] <KdeKris> messing with kernels makes me so anxious
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3092 [20:47:52] <annadane> !next
3093 [20:47:52] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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3097 [20:50:13] <johnfg> greycat: Yes, lightdm.
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3101 [20:50:44] <greycat> Logins with a DM don't read shell profiles at all. So you have to put your stuff in a file that it DOES read, such as ~/.xsessionrc
3102 [20:50:46] <johnfg> greycat: I just logged in on tty2, and there it does echo back the path as set in my .bash_profile.
3103 [20:50:58] <greycat> Yes, logins on tty2 (Linux virtual console) DO read shell profiles.
3104 [20:51:19] <johnfg> greycat: Ok, thanks, I'll edit .xsessionrc.
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3106 [20:51:50] <msl09> dudes
3107 [20:51:53] <johnfg> greycat: Does that take the same format as PATH in .bash_profile?
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3109 [20:52:12] <msl09> against what package do I report a bug in the kde notification area?
3110 [20:52:24] <annadane> ugh, who the hell knows
3111 [20:52:28] <msl09> or search for it if it's already open
3112 [20:52:28] <annadane> probably kde-desktop
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3114 [20:52:52] <annadane> just file it against that and if it's wrong they'll reassign it themselves
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3117 [20:52:58] <annadane> they're not going to reject a bug report just for that
3118 [20:53:04] <greycat> johnfg: see replaced-url
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3120 [20:53:25] <johnfg> greycat: Ok, looking now.
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3123 [20:55:02] <mnuhmnuh> !tell mnuhmnuh about search dpkg
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3166 [21:14:39] <mefistofeles> so
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3171 [21:15:27] <mefistofeles> when installing "tables" python package using "pip install tables" I'm getting a "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhdf5" even though both libhdf5-8 and libhdf5-dev packages are installed
3172 [21:15:32] <mefistofeles> any ideas why this may be happening?
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3174 [21:17:13] <greycat> you'd want to find the build log file and see exactly what the error is
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3178 [21:18:41] <greycat> hmm, replaced-url
3179 [21:18:49] <rant> mefistofeles: why not just use the already packaged version of this?
3180 [21:19:17] <mefistofeles> rant: it's a virtualenv I need a specific version
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3182 [21:20:18] <mefistofeles> greycat: doesn't really say much else replaced-url
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3184 [21:20:42] <rant> mefistofeles: ah well then you might want to go into some detail there as the problem likely lies in that environment
3185 [21:20:44] <greycat> that's actually LESS than you showed in chat
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3187 [21:21:10] <greycat> ,file libhdf5.so
3188 [21:21:12] <mefistofeles> rant: it's a script that creates an environment, it works fine with archlinux and debian 9, failing in debian 8
3189 [21:21:15] <judd> Search for libhdf5.so in stretch/amd64: libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-openmpi-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.so
3190 [21:21:28] <greycat> *sigh* and now we learn that he's not in stretch
3191 [21:21:45] <mefistofeles> well, has to be run with debian oldstable
3192 [21:21:55] <rant> greycat: I'm sure it gets better, go grab some popcorn
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3195 [21:22:10] <mefistofeles> nice help
3196 [21:22:55] <rant> mefistofeles: are you objecting to the fact that you're the one with eyes on this and not giving us a clear picture?
3197 [21:23:16] <mefistofeles> rant: nevermind
3198 [21:23:21] <rant> if it were obvious, you probably wouldn be asking for help
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3201 [21:24:04] <mefistofeles> useless people in this channel, as usual
3202 [21:24:10] <greycat> ,file libhdf5.so --release jessie
3203 [21:24:14] <judd> Search for libhdf5.so in jessie/amd64: libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-openmpi-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.so
3204 [21:24:20] <greycat> Oh, I'm useless. OK. *plonk*
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3206 [21:24:35] <mefistofeles> libhdf5-dev is already installed, fwiw
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3209 [21:25:21] <annadane> communities don't really like being called useless; even if we're wrong, we're doing our best, if you think we're wrong, try again later or wait for a second opinion
3210 [21:25:24] <rant> mefistofeles: then perhaps try #python or help us draw a clear picture of the non-debian-stable-pyhon-package environment YOU created which doesn't satisfy your 3rd party build
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3212 [21:26:09] <rant> because if you as you have said repeaedly installed deps and they're not being found, this screams environment... path or such
3213 [21:26:41] <rant> we cannot compare this against our own environmen because you've constructed sometthing rubish we can't see
3214 [21:26:43] <greycat> or there is a special magic incantation required for this hdf5 thing, like pkgconfig something
3215 [21:27:34] <greycat> But, since we're useless, don't expect any of us to go out of our way to try to figure that all out for you.
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3217 [21:28:06] <rant> yes, there are other places to seek help if thats really how you feel.
3218 [21:28:06] <mefistofeles> yeah just let it go, I'd figure it out myself, nvm.
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3221 [21:28:18] <rant> fair enough, have fun
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3224 [21:30:25] * greycat looks at the manual "sudo ln -s" commands in replaced-url
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3232 [21:33:46] <mefistofeles> greycat: tried that already, and no, didn't work
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3234 [21:34:04] <mefistofeles> well, actually tried only the first one
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3237 [21:35:47] <annadane> what's the general way to check if a disk is failing? i see there's smartmontools, but any other suggestions welcome
3238 [21:36:11] <somiaj> smartmoontools will run either a short or long self test, run both those
3239 [21:36:17] <somiaj> if those come back okay, check for io errors
3240 [21:36:33] <somiaj> also if smartmontools tests are okay, could be a port or even a sata cable
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3252 [21:40:31] <blackflow> smart is one of those false negative things. if it shows trouble, that's because it's programmed to think there might be (eg through normalized values hitting thresholds). if it shows no trouble, it doesn't mean there's no trouble. I wouldn't rely on it anyway except on raw numbers like pending realloc sectors.
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3255 [21:40:55] <mefistofeles> ok, solved it using HDF5_DIR env variable pointing to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/ for those interested
3256 [21:41:03] <mefistofeles> and I do blame debian8 for this
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3258 [21:41:09] <annadane> literally my only indication of a potential fail is a slightly noisy drive
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3260 [21:41:15] <annadane> so idk
3261 [21:41:34] <annadane> i've put it through a fair amount of abuse
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3265 [21:42:33] <KdeKris> What the actual fuuuuuu......
3266 [21:42:40] <KdeKris> No de. cant get a log in.
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3268 [21:43:08] <KdeKris> broke everything. Even after deleting the blacklist file and doing update-initramfs again
3269 [21:43:21] <KdeKris> Had to boot windows...now I'm mad. I hate windows.
3270 [21:43:30] <annadane> i want a better computer regardless so it's almost good if it fails lol
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3272 [21:44:18] <KdeKris> Yeah, but you may have access to get a better pc right now. I don't. I'm 5000 miles from home, and only have the one computer with me.
3273 [21:44:30] <KdeKris> I won't be back home till next year either.
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3277 [21:45:21] <KdeKris> Plus there's stuff saved on the debian side that I need for what I'm doing here. Which, I could figure out how to access through the windows 10 boot, but would rather just fix the debian kernel and boot that.
3278 [21:45:27] <annadane> i wasn't talking about your issue, sorry if it came off that way
3279 [21:45:31] <blackflow> KdeKris: so what's the problem? What broke?
3280 [21:45:34] <annadane> prior discussion from when you weren't here
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3282 [21:45:48] <KdeKris> No, you're good. I'm just agitated from dealing with this. My bad
3283 [21:47:10] <KdeKris> Oh, and I booted all three of the older kernel versions installed and got the same thing.... command line login and "startx" returned "cannot connect to xserver"
3284 [21:47:31] <greycat> at that point you read the Xorg.0.log file which is probably in ~/.local/
3285 [21:47:43] <greycat> .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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3289 [21:49:22] <KdeKris> I did, but couldn't make heads or tails of it. I'm sure I can figure out how to access it from here in windows and upload it, but it's already almost 10pm here and I gotta be up early. I'll keep plugging away at it if I have time tomorrow.
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3295 [21:51:48] <Neddih> hi. I am using OpenVPN 2.4.0 x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (The one that comes with Debian 9.5 stretch) - and I have multiple openvpn processes / configs running and they all work fine, except the one that uses the interface eth0:0 that is set in /etc/network/interfaces - openvpn starts before that IP defined on eth0:0 is up, but after eth0 is up.
3296 [21:51:58] <Neddih> The previous openvpn version (default openvpn version on debian wheezy) worked fine yesterday before I upgraded to debian stretch, all with the same interface and openvpn configs. Now i am getting a fatal error that results in exiting when openvpn is starting on boot - "TCP/UDP: Socket bind failed on local address [AF_INET]10.29.7.1:13456: Cannot assign requested address"
3297 [21:52:46] <annadane> ooh. got the right version too, like 2 days after release :P
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3299 [21:53:37] <annadane> "9.4... shit, i mean, 9.5..."
3300 [21:53:51] <somiaj> Neddih: but it works fine if you run the openvpn service after the eth0:0 is up? I do know there is some changes with how virtual interfaces work with ip, but maybe you just need to edit the openvpn service to wait a little longer before starting.
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3302 [21:54:24] <Neddih> somiaj, yes, it works fine afterwards
3303 [21:54:52] <somiaj> Neddih: systemctl edit servicename should alow you to edit the unit file, and maybe adjust its dependencies.
3304 [21:55:09] <somiaj> I am unsure the best approach for the openvpn service as I don't use it
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3316 [22:02:51] <Neddih> somiaj, are you able to help me or, if you really can't, point me towards the appropriate documentation?<
3317 [22:02:58] <Neddih> if possible :)
3318 [22:03:40] <DaFluffyPotato> So I've had a kinda broken laptop for a while. I've got debian installed and got it fully running once, which lasted for about a week before I accidentally let it run out of power.
3319 [22:03:48] <DaFluffyPotato> It hasn't been able to boot debian since
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3323 [22:04:14] <somiaj> well look at the unit file, there is a After=, or Requre=, that you can use to ensure services run in the proper order.
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3325 [22:04:31] <DaFluffyPotato> can anyone help me? ._.
3326 [22:04:45] <somiaj> Neddih: you can man systemd.service for the doc, or check out systemd documentation online
3327 [22:04:58] <coolstar> hi, is there a channel for developers? have some questions regarding libapt
3328 [22:05:16] <somiaj> coolstar: what is your question?
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3331 [22:05:39] <somiaj> coolstar: such as is your question about the software apt, and using/linking against libpat?
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3333 [22:05:56] <coolstar> would like to know if there's any available documentation on libapt (like the classes and API's I can use from the library)
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3335 [22:06:07] <coolstar> somiaj: using and linking against libapt
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3337 [22:06:35] <somiaj> coolstar: I can't think of any channel that would have apt developers in it, and outside of looking at the source code, unsure on documentation about teh api.
3338 [22:06:40] <DaFluffyPotato> btw, the last thing shown before the screen goes black and it hands is "recovering journal"
3339 [22:06:56] <somiaj> coolstar: mailing lists maybe prefered, let me see if I can find an appropriate one
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3344 [22:08:03] <coolstar> also have to say, it's cute the IRC bot is named dpkg :)
3345 [22:08:23] <somiaj> coolstar: replaced-url
3346 [22:08:56] <somiaj> coolstar: There is a debian-devel mailing lists, but I think this is more overall develpment and packages, not apt specifically. debian-dpkg looks the most appropraite, since I don't see a debian-apt mailing list
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3348 [22:09:37] <coolstar> alright, I'll try debian-dpkg then
3349 [22:10:01] <coolstar> also damn some of those mailing lists are older than me lol
3350 [22:10:17] <annadane> bleh, how does one bring down the virtual network in virt-manager
3351 [22:10:21] <annadane> forget the virsh way to do it
3352 [22:10:57] <annadane> net-destroy, apparently
3353 [22:11:27] <somiaj> coolstar: there is #debian-apt and #debian-dpkg on irc.oftc.net. Though mailing lists are still a bit better for actually getting resposnes from developers, just a little slower.
3354 [22:11:41] <somiaj> coolstar: replaced-url
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3358 [22:12:49] <somiaj> annadane: man virsh, looks like it is virsh net-destroy networkname
3359 [22:13:03] <coolstar> somiaj: awesome, thanks
3360 [22:13:31] <somiaj> annadane: I don't see a gui option for this in virt-manager
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3362 [22:13:51] <annadane> ip a shows it but net-destroy virbr0 doesn't work
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3366 [22:14:38] <somiaj> annadane: edit -> connection details -> virtual networks, seems you can bring them up/down there.
3367 [22:14:50] <somiaj> annadane: virsh net-list --all to see the status
3368 [22:14:54] <annadane> ...wow i'm an idiot
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3371 [22:15:55] <somiaj> annadane: don't say that, things are easy to overlook. (:
3372 [22:15:56] <annadane> thanks
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3381 [22:18:43] <curious_> Hallo everyone. I'm trying to build a custom package from nginx 1.14 version (downloaded from nginx.org/download) on Debian Stretch to add some dynamic modules, configs, etc. We have a private repo, so I would like to rename the package (e.g. nginx-custom), so we can install this special version where it's needed. What would be the easiest/proper way to rename the package after adding custom settings in debian/rules? Any help and hin
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3384 [22:20:57] <greycat> curious_: the 1.13.3 in stretch-backports isn't good enough?
3385 [22:24:13] <somiaj> curious_: update the debian/control file for package names, though I'm with greycat, and maybe the 1.13.3 in stretch-backports is good enough (though almost sounds like you are also modifiying build flags)
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3391 [22:26:55] <curious_> greycat: somiaj: Thanks for the quick replies. I've started with 1.10.3-1 and modified the building flags. At the end I've had over 10 deb files. However using 14.0 version from upstream, I will end up probably with just one dep file. Back to the renaming, editing debian/control alone didn't help.
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3399 [22:29:28] <curious_> greycat: somiaj: And sorry for being such a noob. I've never build any packages, so this is my experience for past 24 hours!
3400 [22:29:49] <greycat> Most Debian users never build a package from upstream sources.
3401 [22:29:56] <somiaj> curious_: you may want to look into the debian new matainers guide for details on how to build packages to edit things correctly (I don't know off teh top of my head). There is also #packaging on irc.oftc.net that maybe able to provdie better help.
3402 [22:30:06] <Peyam> how do I install libc6:i386 on debian?
3403 [22:30:19] <somiaj> RebelCoder: apt install libc6:i386
3404 [22:30:22] <somiaj> !multiarch
3405 [22:30:23] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
3406 [22:30:41] <somiaj> Peyam: arg, see what I said to RebelCoder (hit wrong key), and you may need to enable multiarch first
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3409 [22:31:25] <annadane> i can't think of a situation where you "may" have to enable multiarch
3410 [22:31:29] <annadane> i'd think it's mandatory
3411 [22:31:40] <greycat> "unless you already did it"
3412 [22:31:41] <Peyam> annadane, I need it to program ARM programing
3413 [22:32:20] <Peyam> I tried dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
3414 [22:32:27] <Peyam> didn't work with and without sudo
3415 [22:32:48] <greycat> Peyam: what arch are you actually on? What happened when you did that?
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3418 [22:33:04] <Peyam> greycat, wait a sec
3419 [22:33:23] <klys> echo Apt::Artchitecture "amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; echo Apt::Architectures "i386 amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; dpkg --add-architecture i386; editor /etc/apt/sources.list; deb [arch=amd64,i386] http:...; apt-get update; apt-get install libc6:i386
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3421 [22:33:42] <somiaj> Peyam: are you runngin on arm hardware?
3422 [22:33:49] <Peyam> replaced-url
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3426 [22:34:15] <Peyam> no I want to install their CCS5 from Texas instrument and it requires that
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3428 [22:34:57] <Peyam> replaced-url
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3430 [22:35:28] <klys> peyam hey man
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3432 [22:35:39] <Peyam> klys hi
3433 [22:35:47] <annadane> improper sudo permissions?
3434 [22:35:50] <rant> o.O permission denied on one and not the other..
3435 [22:35:59] <klys> please generate apt.conf and sources.list
3436 [22:36:08] <Peyam> annadane, well I did it.
3437 [22:36:16] <Peyam> klys, how?
3438 [22:36:22] <klys> I said
3439 [22:36:35] <Peyam> apt.conf ?
3440 [22:36:49] <klys> read
3441 [22:36:59] <annadane> echo Apt::Artchitecture "amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; echo Apt::Architectures "i386 amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; dpkg --add-architecture i386; editor /etc/apt/sources.list; deb [arch=amd64,i386] http:...; apt-get update; apt-get install libc6:i386
3442 [22:37:09] <Peyam> how do I generate it Mr klys .
3443 [22:37:23] <Peyam> annadane, is it what I need to write in terminal?
3444 [22:37:33] <klys> as root, yes
3445 [22:37:34] <annadane> no, you need to yell it at the computer
3446 [22:37:49] <rant> something else is going on if that first paste said permission denied and the 2nd did not
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3448 [22:38:06] <somiaj> I don't see why you need to add that stuff to apt.conf, dpkg --add-architecture should be enough (if running amd64)
3449 [22:38:08] <Peyam> replaced-url
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3451 [22:38:36] <curious_> somiaj: Thanks for the tips.
3452 [22:38:38] <annadane> aaaahhhh the screenshot from hell
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3456 [22:39:08] <klys> edit the file as root and add the [...] stuff.
3457 [22:39:46] <curious_> greycat: Thank you too. Well, I'm in a situation that I need to build a new package and compile it with naxsi, shibboleth, etc. and add some custom configuration.
3458 [22:40:00] <Peyam> what?
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3460 [22:40:13] <rant> I think you're confusing the issue, as was pointed out this is not necessary and Peyam posted two pastes using sudo, one said permission denied and the other did nott
3461 [22:40:28] <Peyam> why do you have to take the hard way. just tell me to open sourcelis as root. I hate that nano
3462 [22:41:10] <klys> peyam, can you edit as root the file /etc/apt/sources.list and add [...]
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3464 [22:41:22] <Peyam> add "[...]"?
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3466 [22:41:36] <klys> what I said above, please read again
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3469 [22:42:18] <Peyam> I can't see what you wrote?
3470 [22:42:20] <Peyam> :(
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3472 [22:42:39] <Peyam> I'm sorry I guess I'm stressed out
3473 [22:42:44] <klys> deb [arch=amd64,i386] http:...
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3476 [22:43:01] <rant> Peyam: use su or sudo su to become root in a tterminal first and foremost, the prompt will change from $ to #
3477 [22:43:01] <Peyam> no http?
3478 [22:43:04] <somiaj> klys: that shouldn't be needed, just follow the factoid
3479 [22:43:25] <somiaj> apt will automatically use all arches supported by dpkg
3480 [22:43:48] <Peyam> klys, so it does not need any specified http?
3481 [22:43:52] <greycat> you shouldn't have to edit sources.list by hand *at all* for adding i386 to an amd64 machine
3482 [22:43:52] <rant> Peyam: second ignore what klys is saying and just run thte dpkg-archiecture --add i386 command again witthout the && apt-get update
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3484 [22:44:04] <Peyam> rant, okej
3485 [22:44:08] <somiaj> !multiarch
3486 [22:44:08] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
3487 [22:44:12] <somiaj> again, taht is all you should need to do
3488 [22:44:41] <rant> Peyam: if that produces and error, show us, if not then enter the apt-get update and show us if that produces an error
3489 [22:45:05] <Peyam> okey it didn't give any error with out the && ..
3490 [22:45:10] <Peyam> now I do update
3491 [22:45:44] <rant> idk what happened before but it was hard to narrow down with both commands being run on same command
3492 [22:45:56] <Peyam> replaced-url
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3494 [22:46:27] <Peyam> so do I need to install lib 32?
3495 [22:46:31] <Peyam> or is it added now?
3496 [22:46:56] <klys> you have a special error.
3497 [22:46:57] <rant> its added now but your cache for i386 is incomplete due to some odd looking errors
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3503 [22:47:20] <rant> its probably functional enough to proceed, however these issues should probably be addressed
3504 [22:47:25] <Peyam> rant, is it because of my source.list
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3506 [22:47:59] <somiaj> the repo having trouble seems to be offical, so unsure why you are getting that error
3507 [22:48:35] <rant> Peyam: your sources list is correct, I believe butt somethting odd happened on security.. can you paste just your line for deb replaced-url
3508 [22:48:59] <rant> your image was hard to see due to the color scheme
3509 [22:49:04] <rant> but it looked correct
3510 [22:49:07] <Peyam> deb replaced-url
3511 [22:49:12] <somiaj> might as well paste the whole sources.list, but it could be somethign else causing the problem.
3512 [22:49:31] <rant> yes it wouldnt hurt but we have an image link showing the sources.list
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3514 [22:49:48] <Peyam> now apt update gives no error
3515 [22:49:56] <somiaj> you could try changing security.debian.org to deb.debian.org and use the more modern redirector.
3516 [22:50:05] <klys> "stretch/updates"?
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3518 [22:50:13] <klys> or stretch-updates
3519 [22:50:26] <somiaj> maybe there was a problem with downloading the file, and apt dectected it was corrupted
3520 [22:50:33] <somiaj> klys: stretch/updates is correct, stretch-updates is something else
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3522 [22:50:40] <rant> deb replaced-url
3523 [22:50:45] <Peyam> I just removed the space between # deb
3524 [22:50:59] <rant> lines with # are comments and ignored
3525 [22:51:11] <klys> oh you're right
3526 [22:51:13] <Peyam> replaced-url
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3528 [22:51:51] <Peyam> now it works
3529 [22:51:59] <rant> all mine have trailing slashes on them
3530 [22:52:21] <somiaj> Peyam: commenting out security sources is a bad idea, remove the # on line 14
3531 [22:52:26] <Peyam> idk where that microsoft comes from replaced-url
3532 [22:52:30] <somiaj> oh wait
3533 [22:52:34] <somiaj> you have it there twice, maybe that is the problme
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3535 [22:52:45] <Peyam> somiaj, it was a line that I added by misstake
3536 [22:52:48] <somiaj> yea remove line 14, and add contrib non-free to line 8, if you want those in your securty sources.
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3539 [22:53:15] <annadane> congratulations, you have successfully installed arch linux
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3541 [22:53:37] <rant> Peyam: you can have additional sources files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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3543 [22:53:38] <klys> :)
3544 [22:53:49] <Peyam> rant, ohh you are right
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3546 [22:53:58] <rant> annadane: heh, were you talking about debian without security?
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3549 [22:54:18] <bozza> is exim4 turned on by default by debian?
3550 [22:54:18] <annadane> just the whole past 5 minutes of command sequences
3551 [22:54:23] <annadane> no
3552 [22:54:25] <klys> arch=amd64,i386, rand.
3553 [22:54:33] <klys> arch=amd64,i386, rant.
3554 [22:54:48] <rant> klys: arch uses multiarch by default?
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3556 [22:54:56] <klys> pun
3557 [22:54:57] * rant never used arch linux
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3559 [22:55:00] <rant> ah
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3561 [22:55:16] * rant doesnt get the joke obviously
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3566 [22:55:26] <bozza> I have exim4 that is listening on port 25 by default on my rented debian server. . . is that normal?
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3568 [22:56:01] <jhutchins_wk> bozza: grep 25 /etc/services
3569 [22:56:04] <rant> bozza: last i checked it is the default MTA, yes.. and an MTA is required by linux systtems.. if you dontt want one we have options that satisfy the requirement without a full mta
3570 [22:56:31] <Peyam> it still says that I don't have Failed to locate 32-bit system libraries required for installation to continue: libc6-i386
3571 [22:56:36] <annadane> no MTA comes isntalled by default
3572 [22:56:37] <greycat> bozza: it's not abnormal...
3573 [22:56:38] <Peyam> when I try to install something
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3575 [22:56:47] <jhutchins_wk> !multiarch
3576 [22:56:48] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
3577 [22:57:01] <annadane> Peyam, you did apt update first?
3578 [22:57:03] <rant> Peyam: the package you are insttalling is probably incorrect
3579 [22:57:04] <greycat> annadane: on a "rented server" you get whatever the hosting company decided would be a good default
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3582 [22:57:13] <Peyam> annadane, yes
3583 [22:57:14] <annadane> i'm responding to rant
3584 [22:57:22] <klys> peyam, libc6:i386 or libc6-i386 ?
3585 [22:57:24] <rant> jhutchins_wk: you're late to the game we've been over that extensively
3586 [22:57:30] <annadane> which... i guess that didn't address it anyway
3587 [22:57:38] * annadane shuts up
3588 [22:57:40] <rant> klys: my point he package name is incorrect
3589 [22:57:44] <bozza> rant: will I be able to uninstall it to install a different mail server?
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3594 [22:58:17] <rant> bozza: no, installing anoher will conflict and replace i, uninstalling the mta will break the system causing most everyhing on he systtem to be removed
3595 [22:58:36] <bozza> :O
3596 [22:58:39] <rant> sorry folk for my ttyping.. something is awry here causing sever lag :P
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3598 [22:59:57] <klys> bozza, are you portscanning for security reasons? a mail transfer agent is a service that allows users to send and fetch email.
3599 [23:00:05] <bites> why would it break the system?
3600 [23:00:30] <rant> bites: because it'd be like removing libc6 almost.. virtually everything depends on an mta somewhere down the line
3601 [23:00:44] <rant> you have to install an alternative not just remove the mta
3602 [23:00:59] <bozza> klys: yes I am looking at what ports are open on my server
3603 [23:01:07] <rant> MTA must be provided or you'll wind up with ton of packages being removed
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3605 [23:01:17] <bozza> cool cool klys and rant
3606 [23:01:28] <bites> apt-get -s purge exim4-* The following packages will be REMOVED: exim4-base* exim4-config* exim4-daemon-light* mailutils*
3607 [23:01:34] <bozza> hmm if I want to have a mailserver inside a docker container, wont exim be in conflict ?
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3609 [23:02:09] <bites> hmm.. does that resolce correctly? mabe not.
3610 [23:02:09] <rant> bites: maybe sometthing has changed or you have something else satisying the MTA dependency
3611 [23:02:15] <bites> * resolve
3612 [23:02:32] <bites> i thought cron dependet on a mta, but it's only recommend
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3615 [23:02:47] <bites> meh, it's too late, my english is broken.
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3617 [23:02:53] <klys> bozza, you may be coming from a background where your network services are blocked or firewalled due to a differing security philosophy from that espoused by the debian project.
3618 [23:03:13] <rant> I'm operating on really old info maybe.. but hisorically most a system depends somehow on an MTA
3619 [23:03:50] <rant> the reason being there is no way to log when SHTF
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3623 [23:04:25] <rant> most things use emaiil as part of thheir loggfcilties
3624 [23:04:52] <rant> and I apparently need to get another keyboard or something :P
3625 [23:05:18] <bozza> klys: probably
3626 [23:05:26] <rant> though having just moved closer the problem has seemed to have disappeared might just be 2.4ghz interference
3627 [23:05:31] <bozza> most likely actually klys :)
3628 [23:06:21] <klys> bozza, consider who advised you to portscan in the first place and whether there systems run sshd or even respond to ping requests.
3629 [23:06:32] <klys> their*
3630 [23:06:49] <bozza> klys: I am setting up a server for myself
3631 [23:06:56] <bozza> I want to selfhost some web apps
3632 [23:07:21] <klys> bozza, good stuff. bless you
3633 [23:07:24] <bozza> :)
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3636 [23:07:54] <bozza> just running the port scan to see what is going on in the system
3637 [23:08:05] <bozza> the OS was installed through a script by the server provider
3638 [23:08:15] <klys> bozza, netstat -a might help too
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3641 [23:09:04] <bozza> netstat -tulpn worked quite nicely
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3643 [23:09:17] <bozza> netstat -a is giving me A LOT of /systemd processes
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3647 [23:10:35] <hypn0> | grep ?
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3651 [23:12:39] <bozza> replaced-url
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3654 [23:13:08] <bozza> also getting some udev procs and a bunch of other things
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3656 [23:13:33] <bozza> just one udev
3657 [23:13:41] <bozza> but if I had to guess it all looks fine
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3660 [23:14:27] <klys> netstat -tulpn is tcp udp listening program numeric
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3663 [23:15:46] <klys> therefore instead, I suggest netstat -atulpn
3664 [23:15:51] <klys> :)
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3672 [23:17:41] <bozza> ooh nice!!! TY klys
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3676 [23:18:10] <bozza> klys: very cool!
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3678 [23:18:17] <klys> sure
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3680 [23:18:31] <bozza> that gives a much nicer view,, and I can see myself connecting to the sshd server
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3682 [23:20:38] <klys> one of those commands where there's more to remember in the option string, such as tar Jxpvf file.tar.xz
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3684 [23:21:43] <bozza> oooh yea I dont like the untar command.. I google that every single time ha
3685 [23:22:04] <bozza> but atulpn is easy to remember .. A tulip n
3686 [23:22:13] <bozza> without the i
3687 [23:22:29] <klys> and... ps waux
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3689 [23:22:52] <mspe> you don't need J when you use x with tar
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3692 [23:23:32] <bozza> what is ps waux?
3693 [23:23:36] <bozza> I only know ps aux
3694 [23:23:48] <klys> it's the wide version of the process list
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3696 [23:24:26] <bozza> awesome
3697 [23:24:29] <hypn0> why not jut htop :-)
3698 [23:24:35] <bozza> hehe
3699 [23:24:45] <bozza> vi or nano?
3700 [23:24:48] <hypn0> or atop is it
3701 [23:25:33] <klys> bozza, my editor recently is joe, since you ask
3702 [23:25:45] <bozza> ooh never heard of it.. will google
3703 [23:25:58] <bozza> vi has some crazy commands to just exit the damn app. :q! .. dont like it .. nano is simple and functional
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3706 [23:26:42] <bozza> :( Sourceforge project sites are currently under maintenance. Please check back later. We thank you for your patience.
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3709 [23:27:45] <bozza> ok brb , going to the gas station to get a drink
3710 [23:27:51] <bozza> 11PM here
3711 [23:28:06] <blackflow> don't drink and drive linux systems.
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3713 [23:28:42] <bozza> hahaha blackflow
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3721 [23:33:13] <rant> I've suggested before making one of those breath testers for granting root perms
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3723 [23:33:34] <rant> seen cases where such a thing would be warranted
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